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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,540 In the criminal justice system, sexually based offenses are considered 2 00:00:09,540 --> 00:00:10,760 especially heinous. 3 00:00:10,980 --> 00:00:15,020 In New York City, the dedicated detectives who investigate these vicious 4 00:00:15,020 --> 00:00:18,560 felonies are members of an elite squad known as the Special Victims Unit. 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,120 These are their stories. 6 00:00:41,290 --> 00:00:43,210 What the hell? That's my car. 7 00:00:43,510 --> 00:00:46,770 Hey, don't come any closer. Look what you did. He said stand back. 8 00:00:47,770 --> 00:00:50,850 What is it? 9 00:00:53,850 --> 00:00:54,850 Police! 10 00:00:57,930 --> 00:00:58,930 Hey, watch me, Lee. 11 00:00:59,890 --> 00:01:00,890 Don't move. 12 00:01:00,910 --> 00:01:02,050 Put your hands on the car. 13 00:01:02,510 --> 00:01:03,510 Go. 14 00:01:04,650 --> 00:01:07,550 Are you all right? Do you need an ambulance? 15 00:01:07,870 --> 00:01:09,190 No. I'm okay. 16 00:01:09,630 --> 00:01:10,630 What happened? 17 00:01:10,780 --> 00:01:15,160 Uh, I just came out and found him wrecking up my car. Any idea why? 18 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,180 I mean, I guess that. 19 00:01:24,660 --> 00:01:25,800 I take it you're Zach. 20 00:01:29,980 --> 00:01:32,140 I just think it's important to believe victim. 21 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,480 Well, I couldn't agree more. 22 00:01:36,140 --> 00:01:39,500 But are you saying that you're a victim? I'm saying when people speak up, nobody 23 00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:40,500 listens. I'm listening. 24 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,440 Margo, I'm all ears. No, you're going to say what everyone else says. What was 25 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:45,079 she wearing? 26 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:46,018 Was she drinking? 27 00:01:46,020 --> 00:01:47,940 Okay, Margo, please. Just yes or no. 28 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,360 Were you a victim of sexual assault? 29 00:01:50,860 --> 00:01:52,900 You see? You're not listening. 30 00:01:54,340 --> 00:01:57,740 This all got out of hand. Nobody intended for anybody to get hurt. 31 00:01:57,980 --> 00:02:01,760 Yeah, kind of hard to buy that when you show up with a baseball bat, Harrison. 32 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,180 Margo said it was just a precaution. What else did Margo say? 33 00:02:06,639 --> 00:02:09,240 That it's important to take a stand. 34 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:10,560 And it is. 35 00:02:10,900 --> 00:02:13,100 And that we should believe women. And I do. 36 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,980 You always do what Margo tells you. She's very, very smart. 37 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:19,580 And she cares about the world. 38 00:02:20,340 --> 00:02:21,340 And justice. 39 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,200 And she's smart. 40 00:02:25,460 --> 00:02:28,720 And she told you that Jack was a rapist? 41 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,320 I am not a rapist. 42 00:02:31,850 --> 00:02:33,730 I don't even know what they're talking about. 43 00:02:33,950 --> 00:02:38,250 You've never met either of them? No. A couple days ago, I started getting all 44 00:02:38,250 --> 00:02:43,470 these DMs on my socials. They found my work email. Total strangers saying I 45 00:02:43,470 --> 00:02:44,470 raped somebody. 46 00:02:44,590 --> 00:02:47,650 Zach, what I need you to focus on is why they'd get this idea about you. 47 00:02:48,130 --> 00:02:49,450 Man, I don't know. 48 00:02:50,710 --> 00:02:53,750 They're crazy. You know, mistaken identity. 49 00:02:53,990 --> 00:02:56,590 I don't even know who's saying I did that. 50 00:02:57,630 --> 00:02:59,450 Marco, this is not a trick question. 51 00:02:59,810 --> 00:03:00,810 It's yes or no. 52 00:03:01,030 --> 00:03:03,870 Is the victim a friend of yours or not? What if she's not? 53 00:03:04,350 --> 00:03:05,550 Do we have to be besties? 54 00:03:05,790 --> 00:03:10,870 Oh, my God. You don't have to be anything. I don't know how to get 55 00:03:10,870 --> 00:03:16,190 you. I cannot move forward with this investigation until I have a name. 56 00:03:19,550 --> 00:03:22,290 Who is this victim you are avenging? 57 00:03:23,250 --> 00:03:24,250 Like a name? 58 00:03:24,950 --> 00:03:27,120 Yeah. Exactly. Like a name. 59 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,980 I don't actually know her real life name. 60 00:03:30,340 --> 00:03:31,540 I never met her. 61 00:03:31,740 --> 00:03:35,560 You never had one conversation with her. No, but it doesn't matter. What matters 62 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,400 is we found her rapist and you didn't. Okay, Margo. 63 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,680 I need you to give me something to investigate. 64 00:03:41,140 --> 00:03:42,140 Just one thing. 65 00:03:42,500 --> 00:03:45,460 It could be anything. I need you to give me one thing. 66 00:03:51,900 --> 00:03:54,760 Her name is Jaded Ember. 67 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,200 She's a VTuber on Twitch. 68 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:59,860 Like a virtual streamer. 69 00:04:04,060 --> 00:04:04,900 I 70 00:04:04,900 --> 00:04:11,720 mean... 71 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,240 You'd have to be crazy to ignore that. 72 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,220 How can we just not try to help? 73 00:05:22,540 --> 00:05:26,260 So we think he's chasing the houses until the occupants leave. So I'm 74 00:05:26,260 --> 00:05:27,860 an additional unit to Sector David. 75 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:29,360 Questions? 76 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,640 All right. Then let's focus on quality stops and good collars and make sure 77 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,660 body cams are up and running. Be professional, respectful, and everyone 78 00:05:38,660 --> 00:05:39,660 back in one piece. 79 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,400 All right. Thanks. Ms. Smith. 80 00:05:45,930 --> 00:05:49,730 Not one officer checking their phone name looks like you. Well, there may or 81 00:05:49,730 --> 00:05:53,370 not be a rumor going around that anyone not paying attention to the role gets 82 00:05:53,370 --> 00:05:54,370 zero OT. 83 00:05:54,530 --> 00:05:55,750 You're laying down the hammer. 84 00:05:56,130 --> 00:05:57,130 Guess I'm a natural. 85 00:05:59,670 --> 00:06:00,750 I don't like this. 86 00:06:02,210 --> 00:06:03,630 Nothing to like. It is what it is. 87 00:06:03,910 --> 00:06:05,810 Yeah, but can I still be mad for you? 88 00:06:08,219 --> 00:06:12,980 Uh, shoot, I got a, uh, budgeting meeting coming up, but tell Griff if he 89 00:06:12,980 --> 00:06:15,660 parks in front of the precinct again, I'm gonna have his ass towed. 90 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,520 I'm not gonna lie, that interview from last night kind of broke my brain. Yeah, 91 00:06:25,620 --> 00:06:28,820 I feel like I know less after talking to them than I did after reading that two 92 00:06:28,820 --> 00:06:29,820 -sentence police report. 93 00:06:29,900 --> 00:06:32,840 I had to cut Zach loose. He said he'd stay in town. Yeah, we got nothing to 94 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:33,840 him on. What'd I miss? 95 00:06:34,190 --> 00:06:37,910 Whole lot of questions. Okay, so I found the rest of that clip from Jaded 96 00:06:37,910 --> 00:06:41,130 Ember's Twitch site. She's got a ton of fans on GameCast. 97 00:06:41,590 --> 00:06:45,050 Mostly live streams herself playing video games, but here's a part of the 98 00:06:45,050 --> 00:06:46,290 where she talks about being raped. 99 00:06:46,670 --> 00:06:49,010 I was in therapy when it all came back to me. 100 00:06:49,450 --> 00:06:53,450 It's so crazy how your brain can just forget things that are, like, too 101 00:06:53,450 --> 00:06:59,950 traumatic. But I can feel him pressing down on my neck, telling me to relax. 102 00:07:00,290 --> 00:07:03,270 I could hardly breathe. I couldn't scream. 103 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,020 crazy. I hope you guys believe me. 104 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,220 So it's a recovered memory. 105 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,460 Yeah, for someone who won't reveal their identity, it's tricky. 106 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,700 Did she identify her rapist? No, nothing. No name, no details. 107 00:07:20,940 --> 00:07:25,560 But our vigilante Margo claims that her detective skills are so incredible that 108 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:26,620 they have cracked the case. 109 00:07:26,860 --> 00:07:29,700 Zach is also a gamer. He's got a big following on Twitch. 110 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,360 He and Jaded Ember were dating, but Zach claims they never met, only online. 111 00:07:35,230 --> 00:07:39,790 They had a big public ugly breakup about a year ago. Her fans just jumped to 112 00:07:39,790 --> 00:07:40,769 their own conclusions. 113 00:07:40,770 --> 00:07:41,910 It seems real thin. 114 00:07:42,130 --> 00:07:46,150 How many of her fans think that he's a rapist? Most of them. So he could be 115 00:07:46,150 --> 00:07:50,090 looking at more of her fans, tracking him down and harassing him, or worse. 116 00:07:50,290 --> 00:07:54,850 So let's get a subpoena for her identity. That way, if she makes a 117 00:07:54,850 --> 00:07:55,850 have something to investigate. 118 00:08:00,110 --> 00:08:01,110 April DSO. 119 00:08:01,410 --> 00:08:02,410 Uh, yeah? 120 00:08:02,490 --> 00:08:03,630 You're jaded in birth. 121 00:08:05,130 --> 00:08:08,250 What's this about? We're from Special Victims Unit. Can we talk to you for a 122 00:08:08,250 --> 00:08:09,250 sec? 123 00:08:10,750 --> 00:08:12,210 I don't recognize them. 124 00:08:13,110 --> 00:08:17,970 Yeah, I know Zach. He's a dick and a terrible boyfriend, but he didn't rape 125 00:08:18,250 --> 00:08:19,610 Well, thanks for clearing that up. 126 00:08:19,990 --> 00:08:21,590 How bad was it? Is he okay? 127 00:08:21,870 --> 00:08:24,170 He was shaken up, but he's fine. 128 00:08:25,210 --> 00:08:30,010 You made some pretty serious allegations on that live stream, and we are sorry 129 00:08:30,010 --> 00:08:32,450 that that happened to you, and we would like to investigate. 130 00:08:32,909 --> 00:08:33,909 No. 131 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,419 I know that it sounds kind of weird that I'm saying I was raped, but I don't 132 00:08:39,419 --> 00:08:40,419 really remember. 133 00:08:40,419 --> 00:08:43,460 And I know how crazy that sounds. But it's not crazy. 134 00:08:44,039 --> 00:08:49,880 So, April, it's very common for victims to block out significant details from 135 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:50,880 their assault. 136 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,440 Right, but I only remember bits and pieces, and I don't want to be, like, 137 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:55,399 quizzed on everything. 138 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,320 You said you remember this while you were in therapy. Can you talk to us more 139 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,320 about that? 140 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,920 I don't think I can. What do you mean? 141 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,220 I was on a psychedelic. Okay. 142 00:09:06,460 --> 00:09:10,620 It was a clinical trial for PTSD. 143 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,420 This drug called vitriptamine. 144 00:09:13,860 --> 00:09:17,440 Okay. I really shouldn't have said anything. 145 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:22,140 I know how it sounds. Nobody's going to believe me. We're here because we think 146 00:09:22,140 --> 00:09:24,020 that there is something to investigate. 147 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:25,520 There's not. 148 00:09:26,020 --> 00:09:27,580 I don't remember enough. 149 00:09:27,860 --> 00:09:30,460 You won't be able to find him. Let us try. 150 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:39,300 So the clinical trial has been over for almost a year, and the drug is being 151 00:09:39,300 --> 00:09:43,400 tested for the treatment of PTSD, anxiety, depression. 152 00:09:43,740 --> 00:09:47,920 And April, I had no memory of this at all before taking a hallucinogen. No, 153 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:52,800 doesn't. But it's not a hallucinogen. It's not like LSD or DMT. It activates 154 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:58,400 serotonin receptors, increases prolactin, which boosts about every 155 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,260 you can think of. And this makes you recover memories? 156 00:10:01,820 --> 00:10:02,880 Or invent them? 157 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:08,380 Look. I got to ask you, are you sure that this assault actually happened? 158 00:10:08,620 --> 00:10:14,220 We don't know yet, but April believes that it did, and now so do a lot of 159 00:10:14,220 --> 00:10:15,220 Internet warriors. 160 00:10:15,660 --> 00:10:17,820 We're just trying to get to the truth. 161 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:22,260 All right, look, even if April recalls details, you're going to need a lot more 162 00:10:22,260 --> 00:10:25,540 than that. The issue here is that she wasn't aware this crime happened before 163 00:10:25,540 --> 00:10:28,680 taking a psychedelic. Even if this treatment is gaining legitimacy? 164 00:10:28,980 --> 00:10:29,799 Well, it doesn't matter. 165 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:30,800 People be huge. 166 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:32,200 People be tons full. 167 00:10:32,699 --> 00:10:36,480 Both of these cases evaluated memories that were recovered through hypnosis, 168 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,820 the courts have repeatedly found that testimony needs to be supported by pre 169 00:10:40,820 --> 00:10:44,120 -hypnotic recollection, okay? They're absolutely going to apply that here. So, 170 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:48,540 is he dead in the water? You can use this statement to ID a suspect, but then 171 00:10:48,540 --> 00:10:50,920 you're going to need independent evidence. You're going to need a 172 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,880 Well, you know, it's a clinical trial. They've got to have records, so maybe 173 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,560 there's more details in the session. Those are not going to be admissible. 174 00:10:56,560 --> 00:10:58,000 it's a very good place to start. 175 00:10:58,660 --> 00:11:01,300 Let's see if I can get permission from April to talk to a therapist. 176 00:11:05,020 --> 00:11:09,260 Crocyptamine is both plant -derived and chemically stabilized, making it more 177 00:11:09,260 --> 00:11:12,720 compatible with our brain chemistry than with psychedelics. And the vast 178 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:17,520 majority of our participants, they no longer meet the diagnostic criteria for 179 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:18,520 PTSD. 180 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,540 I won't be going back to traditional treatment again. 181 00:11:22,020 --> 00:11:23,240 So it's a miracle drug. 182 00:11:24,020 --> 00:11:26,180 I know it all sounds a little kooky. 183 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:31,160 Pop a pill, listen to music, lay down in a dark room and see what feelings come 184 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,240 up. But we have seen what it can do for people. 185 00:11:34,190 --> 00:11:35,630 Which one of you treated April? 186 00:11:35,910 --> 00:11:36,910 We both did. 187 00:11:37,110 --> 00:11:40,010 At the same time? Is that typical? 188 00:11:40,350 --> 00:11:42,370 It's protocol and necessary. 189 00:11:42,790 --> 00:11:46,370 I mean, the sessions can bring up strong, sometimes difficult emotions and 190 00:11:46,370 --> 00:11:47,289 last hours. 191 00:11:47,290 --> 00:11:48,470 What were you treating her for? 192 00:11:48,690 --> 00:11:53,050 PTSD. At the time, we believed her symptoms, hyperarousal, numbness, 193 00:11:53,170 --> 00:11:57,010 hypervigilance, all stemmed from growing up in an unstable household with an 194 00:11:57,010 --> 00:11:58,010 alcoholic mother. 195 00:11:58,110 --> 00:12:01,110 Think it's possible it actually stemmed from sexual assault? 196 00:12:01,580 --> 00:12:04,740 Obviously, we don't know for certain, but whether or not an event happened is 197 00:12:04,740 --> 00:12:07,040 unimportant. Seems it would be very important. 198 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,360 Detectives, we are not in the business of investigating the accuracy of a 199 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,620 or catching criminals. We are in the business of healing. 200 00:12:15,260 --> 00:12:17,240 We explore the meaning behind the memory. 201 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:18,680 True or not? 202 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:20,480 Yes or no? 203 00:12:20,660 --> 00:12:21,800 You think she was raped? 204 00:12:22,340 --> 00:12:24,300 No. I don't. 205 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,300 I pulled her session files. 206 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:29,100 Take a look yourself. 207 00:12:30,510 --> 00:12:33,890 I trust that you protect both April and our work. 208 00:12:34,850 --> 00:12:35,850 Thank you. 209 00:12:46,590 --> 00:12:48,030 Dr. Severson, you got a minute? 210 00:12:49,070 --> 00:12:51,950 Unfortunately, no. I'm late for an appointment. Sorry. We'll walk with you. 211 00:12:52,170 --> 00:12:55,270 And maybe you could tell us what you wouldn't say up there in front of your 212 00:12:55,270 --> 00:12:56,270 partner. 213 00:12:56,950 --> 00:12:58,570 Really, not much more to say. 214 00:12:59,540 --> 00:13:00,419 That's fine. 215 00:13:00,420 --> 00:13:04,540 We'll just ask more questions, widen the net, involve a lot more people. You 216 00:13:04,540 --> 00:13:06,760 know, that won't impact the clinical trials. Max, do you know what 217 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,540 pharmaceutical companies really love? Police investigations. 218 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,100 Look, I'll start by saying I don't mean to disparage my colleague. I have a lot 219 00:13:16,100 --> 00:13:17,340 of respect for Dr. Catmull. 220 00:13:17,740 --> 00:13:22,880 He's worked in psychedelics a long time, which may be the reason he's a little 221 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,040 too invested in pushing protryptamine over the finish line. 222 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,480 And if it gets solved, all that research money goes down the drain. 223 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,380 It's not about the money. It's about helping people. 224 00:13:33,140 --> 00:13:36,620 Jonah wasn't wrong to question recovered memories in any setting. Sometimes 225 00:13:36,620 --> 00:13:37,620 they're metaphors. 226 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:40,860 But he didn't give you the whole truth. 227 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,580 April has a history of using psychedelics. 228 00:13:44,820 --> 00:13:46,060 About five years ago. 229 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,440 It wasn't revealed in the initial interview. 230 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,960 It came out in therapy. But that should have disqualified her from the study. 231 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,120 Why didn't it? 232 00:13:54,210 --> 00:13:55,810 Because she's a success story. 233 00:13:56,690 --> 00:13:57,830 Jonah wanted it in. 234 00:13:58,690 --> 00:14:01,370 So what does that have to do with her memory of being assaulted? 235 00:14:02,910 --> 00:14:07,610 Jonah omitted the time period when April was using, when she was meeting a lot 236 00:14:07,610 --> 00:14:09,850 of men and blacking out on a regular basis. 237 00:14:11,650 --> 00:14:13,110 You think that's when this happened? 238 00:14:13,510 --> 00:14:18,050 I can't say for sure it was rape, but something happened to that girl. 239 00:14:28,420 --> 00:14:32,540 April is trying to put together a list of the men that she dated five years 240 00:14:32,580 --> 00:14:37,200 but her memory's spotty. Can you remember who you dated five years ago? 241 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,540 are not talking about me, thank you very much. 242 00:14:39,820 --> 00:14:40,820 What do we got? 243 00:14:41,060 --> 00:14:44,420 Combing through dating app matches and cross -checking names of databases. 244 00:14:45,140 --> 00:14:51,680 Liv, no psychedelic is a magic bullet. For this writer, for 245 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,760 others, it's... the new frontier for mental health medicine. 246 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:59,780 Some studies say psychedelics can assist in memory recall. The others say that 247 00:14:59,780 --> 00:15:03,620 it impairs it. I have a psych professor at Fordham who had a section on how 248 00:15:03,620 --> 00:15:06,780 psychedelics affect the brain. She can break it down for me. Good. Go talk to 249 00:15:06,780 --> 00:15:07,780 her. 250 00:15:10,220 --> 00:15:12,760 So how does protryptamine make you remember things? 251 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,720 or that it modulates the brain's fear response. Our brain protects us from 252 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:22,080 traumatic memories, and a psychedelic like protryptamine can allow you to 253 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:27,120 those events with less shame and judgment. For me, psychedelics weren't 254 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,540 about memory. I just felt very connected and present. 255 00:15:31,940 --> 00:15:36,500 I've done psychedelics. I might have had a crisis of faith or two that required 256 00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:40,120 some highly classified trips to Oaxaca a few years back. 257 00:15:40,540 --> 00:15:43,240 You're not going to turn me in. I know. The DEA is on its way. 258 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:48,600 It wasn't a clinical trial, of course. She was a lovely woman, luckily. You're 259 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,140 very vulnerable in that state. 260 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,640 I'm glad to see the practice is becoming more regulated now. 261 00:15:54,020 --> 00:15:55,100 There have been problems? 262 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:56,800 Not just with tryptamine. 263 00:15:57,340 --> 00:16:01,600 Sex abuse is a known problem with psychedelics. Even the naturally 264 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,660 ones like ayahuasca or psilocybin. 265 00:16:04,540 --> 00:16:09,300 All those happy hormones, they mess with your personal boundaries. 266 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:14,440 They trick you into thinking you're okay with things when you're not. Which is 267 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,420 why there's two therapists to make sure nobody crosses the line. 268 00:16:19,340 --> 00:16:21,380 The first time I was totally freaked out. 269 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:28,640 Okay. I didn't sleep at all the night before, and I got there. I took the pill 270 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,400 and, like, immediately fell asleep. Oh. And I woke up. 271 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:38,440 I felt like I... 272 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:41,960 Understood what love meant. 273 00:16:42,260 --> 00:16:47,680 Wow. Not like being in love, but just how 274 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:54,140 everything and everyone is all one. It's hard to 275 00:16:54,140 --> 00:17:00,060 describe. I know, it probably sounds nuts. No, it sounds kind of incredible. 276 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,180 So when did you remember the assault? 277 00:17:05,180 --> 00:17:06,780 The third time. 278 00:17:06,980 --> 00:17:07,980 Okay. 279 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,680 They had me put an eye mask on, and it makes things a lot more intense. 280 00:17:13,980 --> 00:17:19,300 It felt so vivid, this strong feeling of 281 00:17:19,300 --> 00:17:26,160 violation. I actually feel it happening in my body. I was crying. 282 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:27,980 Did he tell your therapist? 283 00:17:28,460 --> 00:17:32,960 One of them was sitting with me. He was rubbing my back and my legs, holding me. 284 00:17:33,580 --> 00:17:35,000 Was that a common? 285 00:17:35,740 --> 00:17:40,200 practice for your sessions, the physical touch? 286 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:47,660 Yeah, I guess so. Okay. It's just that's quite unorthodox for a therapist to 287 00:17:47,660 --> 00:17:49,460 cross that boundary. 288 00:17:50,060 --> 00:17:51,400 What happened afterwards? 289 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:57,740 I, well, I can still feel it in my body the next day. 290 00:17:58,940 --> 00:18:04,380 Soreness between my legs, my throat, like somebody had choked me. 291 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:12,040 They said it wasn't unusual for the brain to convince the body that it had 292 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:13,040 really happened. 293 00:18:13,660 --> 00:18:16,280 In my experience, the opposite is true. 294 00:18:18,100 --> 00:18:24,120 The body that doesn't lie, 295 00:18:24,300 --> 00:18:30,760 and your body was telling you that you had been violated. 296 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:33,800 And I think that you were. 297 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,600 But not five years ago. 298 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:45,420 Have you considered that maybe you were assaulted during your session? 299 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:51,560 No. 300 00:18:58,020 --> 00:19:00,760 For a long time, I felt really good about the therapy. 301 00:19:02,900 --> 00:19:04,540 It changed my brain. 302 00:19:05,130 --> 00:19:07,130 It made me more open, optimistic. 303 00:19:11,050 --> 00:19:14,630 And now it just feels like it got rotten. 304 00:19:16,410 --> 00:19:18,850 Like I'm too thick to be fixed. 305 00:19:19,910 --> 00:19:20,910 Not true. 306 00:19:21,710 --> 00:19:23,390 You're not too thick to be fixed. 307 00:19:25,290 --> 00:19:28,990 They took advantage of you when you were vulnerable. 308 00:19:31,010 --> 00:19:32,350 And now they're going to pay. 309 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,940 Okay, so if the Sessions always had two therapists, what are we thinking? Both 310 00:19:47,940 --> 00:19:48,940 of them did it? 311 00:19:49,060 --> 00:19:50,760 One of them did it while the other watched? 312 00:19:51,340 --> 00:19:53,560 Or they weren't always together all the time. 313 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,920 April doesn't know who was there because she had a mask over her eyes. 314 00:19:57,300 --> 00:20:00,620 Well, we both know for a fact they're willing to lie to cover it up. 315 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,940 Catmull fudged the Session notes. 316 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,580 Severson sent us on a wild goose chase looking at five -year -old hinge 317 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,640 Catmull has an MD and a PhD. He's been big in the psychedelic community since 318 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,380 the 90s. He's a real cheerleader for its benefits. He's got no complaints 319 00:20:15,380 --> 00:20:19,820 against them. He did a ton of research papers on protryptamine therapy. 320 00:20:20,260 --> 00:20:24,940 I looked into Catmull's financials. He's got significant investments in all of 321 00:20:24,940 --> 00:20:29,920 this. If protryptamine gets distribution, he will make a lot of 322 00:20:32,180 --> 00:20:33,240 Severson's a PsyD. 323 00:20:33,930 --> 00:20:37,150 He's new to the psychedelics game. He still has a private practice. He 324 00:20:37,150 --> 00:20:41,470 specializes in complex trauma, PTSD, EMDR. No complaints against him either. 325 00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:45,330 He and Cat Mill started working together two years ago for Sterilite 326 00:20:45,330 --> 00:20:47,850 Pharmaceuticals, a parent company based in Japan. 327 00:20:48,090 --> 00:20:52,010 The U .S. division developed protryptamine and is running the trials. 328 00:20:52,010 --> 00:20:56,110 well, these clinical trials often record their testing, so, I mean, maybe 329 00:20:56,110 --> 00:20:57,350 there's video of these sessions. 330 00:20:57,970 --> 00:20:58,970 Let's see. 331 00:20:59,570 --> 00:21:01,250 Who's Judd Flannery? 332 00:21:02,010 --> 00:21:05,910 Catmull wrote all of his papers with the guy, and then it looks like they 333 00:21:05,910 --> 00:21:08,630 stopped around the time Severson came into the picture. 334 00:21:09,010 --> 00:21:11,510 Wonder what split them up. Yeah, let's find out. 335 00:21:16,210 --> 00:21:19,130 Dr. Catmull and Dr. Severson are some of our finest researchers. 336 00:21:20,250 --> 00:21:22,090 Jonah's been with it from almost the beginning. 337 00:21:22,290 --> 00:21:25,430 Uh -huh. Since they paired up, their sites consistently report the best 338 00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:26,430 scores. 339 00:21:26,590 --> 00:21:29,710 Why? Well, have you ever had any complaints about either of them? 340 00:21:30,150 --> 00:21:31,150 No. 341 00:21:31,340 --> 00:21:32,340 What kind of complaint? 342 00:21:32,540 --> 00:21:38,260 April, the SO, recovered a memory of being sexually assaulted during one of 343 00:21:38,260 --> 00:21:44,080 sessions. We are looking into the possibility that she was assaulted 344 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,080 session. 345 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,380 That's not possible, April. 346 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:48,600 Are you sure? 347 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,400 Yeah. She was so pleased with her treatment outcome. 348 00:21:51,820 --> 00:21:55,240 So, are these sessions recorded, Ms. Fuentes? 349 00:21:55,580 --> 00:21:59,620 Yes. But given how sensitive the content is... 350 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,460 I can't turn anything over without a patient's permission. Well, I can help 351 00:22:03,460 --> 00:22:08,140 with that. This is April's consent, and you should have a digital copy of that 352 00:22:08,140 --> 00:22:09,140 in your inbox. 353 00:22:11,580 --> 00:22:13,460 I can't give you anything without a subpoena. 354 00:22:13,940 --> 00:22:16,320 All right, we will get the subpoena. 355 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:18,680 We'll be back. 356 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,080 Save the world, as long as you have a court order. 357 00:22:26,890 --> 00:22:29,930 Have you guys ever take that online quiz where you put in how many times you 358 00:22:29,930 --> 00:22:32,750 visit your parents and then it tells you how much time you got left with them 359 00:22:32,750 --> 00:22:33,669 before they die? 360 00:22:33,670 --> 00:22:34,449 Hard no. 361 00:22:34,450 --> 00:22:37,350 I used to calculate how much closer I was to death working at a job I didn't 362 00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:38,490 care about so one day I just walked. 363 00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:41,490 All those years in medical school to work in a bike shop? 364 00:22:41,970 --> 00:22:43,350 My dad would have throttled me. 365 00:22:43,550 --> 00:22:45,130 Eh, never been happier. 366 00:22:45,770 --> 00:22:49,290 Hey, don't get me wrong. I love helping people. I just hated everything else. 367 00:22:50,430 --> 00:22:51,430 Including Catmull? 368 00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:54,970 You know, I thought I was so lucky when he asked me to be his research partner. 369 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,300 Didn't take long to realize he didn't care much about the science. 370 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:00,160 Has he been arrested? 371 00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:02,700 Why do you ask? 372 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:03,960 Dude's a druggie. 373 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,860 I caught him swiping pills from our inventory. 374 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,360 I reported him to my supervisor at Sarah Lane. She said they'd handle it 375 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:10,720 internally. But they never did. 376 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,000 I don't know. But there's definitely this mentality over there that nothing 377 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,200 stop the momentum, you know? 378 00:23:15,420 --> 00:23:17,440 You ever see him act inappropriate with a patient? 379 00:23:17,900 --> 00:23:18,900 You mean like sexually? 380 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,460 No, but I wouldn't put anything past that guy. 381 00:23:22,820 --> 00:23:23,980 A shrink with no empathy. 382 00:23:24,620 --> 00:23:25,620 That's wild. 383 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,100 The one time I asked him why I got into psychedelics, you know what he said? 384 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,280 Hmm. That's where the money is at. 385 00:23:31,740 --> 00:23:35,120 Judd Flannery was a fresh graduate who was incompetent and incapable. 386 00:23:35,420 --> 00:23:36,760 That's why I ended the relationship. 387 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,940 Like, for all I know, he stole the meds. You think we're on the hunt for some 388 00:23:40,940 --> 00:23:42,680 pills that went missing two years ago? 389 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,900 We're way beyond that now, Jonah. This is about what you did to April. 390 00:23:46,940 --> 00:23:51,160 What are you talking about? Get her vulnerable and compliant, assault her, 391 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,740 convince her it was a hallucination. 392 00:23:53,150 --> 00:23:55,690 What are you saying that I... You raped your client. Yeah, that's what we're 393 00:23:55,690 --> 00:23:59,890 saying. Absolutely not. My question is, was it a tag team situation with you and 394 00:23:59,890 --> 00:24:01,270 your partner, or was it all his idea? 395 00:24:04,250 --> 00:24:05,690 I leave the session sometimes. 396 00:24:07,810 --> 00:24:09,070 I know I'm not supposed to. 397 00:24:10,410 --> 00:24:11,410 Austin. 398 00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:13,430 Austin encouraged me to take a break. 399 00:24:13,630 --> 00:24:16,830 Sure, sure, sure, sure. It's always the other guy, isn't it? I can prove it. 400 00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:19,530 I have videos. Everything we sent to Fairlight. 401 00:24:20,430 --> 00:24:21,430 I've got copies. 402 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:23,880 Have you watched them? 403 00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:28,440 Because you had a feeling. 404 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,820 You knew what was on them, didn't you? 405 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,500 There might not be enough there to prove rape, but we absolutely have him on 406 00:25:14,500 --> 00:25:15,439 sexual assault. 407 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,960 We're still going through all the videos, but Liv, we've already found two 408 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,340 women Severson did this to. 409 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,200 Got him. 410 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,900 Three crisis calls this morning, all before 10 a .m.? I think I deserve this. 411 00:25:30,980 --> 00:25:32,960 Dr. Severson! Hello. Detective! 412 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,560 This isn't the best time. Is it ever? Get up! 413 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,640 What on earth are you doing? 414 00:25:38,140 --> 00:25:39,480 Arresting you, Doc. What? 415 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,080 Here, enjoy that. 416 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:49,080 So I'm going 417 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:54,760 to start with the obvious question, which is, did you forget that you were 418 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,820 recorded, or did you just not care? 419 00:26:00,580 --> 00:26:05,640 Captain, I can see how this might seem strange if you're not versed in this 420 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,400 therapy, but that's what this therapy looks like. You assaulted her. 421 00:26:10,620 --> 00:26:11,840 I comforted her. 422 00:26:12,460 --> 00:26:16,760 A person who's taken protryptamine needs reassurance. They need someone there to 423 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,860 hold them together, both mentally and physically. I have to stop you for a 424 00:26:20,860 --> 00:26:26,580 second because you can't just sit there and pretend that we didn't see clearly 425 00:26:26,580 --> 00:26:29,820 what is on this video. You don't have the context. 426 00:26:30,410 --> 00:26:32,430 Are my methods unorthodox? Absolutely. 427 00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:37,690 But the use of touch, so long as it's non -sexual, has been very effective. 428 00:26:38,090 --> 00:26:39,870 You call that there non -sexual? 429 00:26:40,150 --> 00:26:42,410 Yeah. Yeah? Do you know what that word means? 430 00:26:43,090 --> 00:26:47,370 Nothing that has transpired between my clients and myself has ever been sexual. 431 00:26:47,670 --> 00:26:49,430 Not for me. 432 00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:54,530 I don't derive any benefit or pleasure from these sessions. Yeah, well, neither 433 00:26:54,530 --> 00:26:55,730 was she. She was in tears. 434 00:26:56,290 --> 00:26:59,450 She said no, stop, multiple times. 435 00:26:59,950 --> 00:27:04,510 And if I told a surgeon, no, don't sew up that incision you just made, would he 436 00:27:04,510 --> 00:27:05,850 stop? I think I get it. 437 00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:10,390 So what you're saying is that sometimes when a person is feeling vulnerable, 438 00:27:10,730 --> 00:27:12,830 right, they just want to be held. 439 00:27:14,270 --> 00:27:19,790 Exactly. The level of this therapy is so intense, you have to experience it to 440 00:27:19,790 --> 00:27:20,790 understand. 441 00:27:22,170 --> 00:27:25,370 I think someone like you would benefit from it, Captain. 442 00:27:29,260 --> 00:27:31,740 That is so kind of you to think of me. 443 00:27:32,900 --> 00:27:37,140 Where was Dr. Catmull during all of this? 444 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,380 I don't recall exactly. He may have been on a break. The other two patients that 445 00:27:41,380 --> 00:27:44,520 got your special hands -on care, where was Dr. 446 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:45,720 Catmull for those? 447 00:27:47,220 --> 00:27:51,020 I would have to check the video. He wasn't there every single time. 448 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,280 Honestly, you're real smart. 449 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:58,840 You're smarter than me. 450 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:02,200 You're smarter than most people who sit in that chair. 451 00:28:03,340 --> 00:28:08,860 I mean, creating your own hunting ground and then hiding behind a clinical trial 452 00:28:08,860 --> 00:28:13,140 and then having your victims sign up for it themselves. That is brilliant. 453 00:28:16,340 --> 00:28:21,500 Regular genius. But you're no different than every other predator. 454 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:23,840 You know that. 455 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,580 And now everyone else will too. 456 00:28:27,950 --> 00:28:29,450 Because we have it all on video. 457 00:28:35,610 --> 00:28:36,610 Captain Curry. 458 00:28:38,010 --> 00:28:39,310 Executive officer. Look at you. 459 00:28:39,910 --> 00:28:40,910 Eyes on the ranks. 460 00:28:40,930 --> 00:28:41,829 Thanks, Chief. 461 00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:43,390 Here for CompStat? Yeah, my first one. 462 00:28:43,650 --> 00:28:44,650 Then I'll be late. 463 00:28:44,970 --> 00:28:46,350 Hey, I'll catch up with you. 464 00:28:46,930 --> 00:28:47,930 Chris. 465 00:28:48,730 --> 00:28:50,350 Hey, Captain. Wow. 466 00:28:50,810 --> 00:28:51,830 You're all dressed up. 467 00:28:52,110 --> 00:28:54,510 Yeah, well, CompStat meeting, so I had to drag this thing out. 468 00:28:55,610 --> 00:28:57,940 Little, uh... Field trip to the records room? 469 00:28:58,580 --> 00:29:02,240 Uh, yeah. Yeah, Cap asked me to pull some old case files. Thinks we might 470 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,139 repeat offender. 471 00:29:03,140 --> 00:29:05,380 Hmm. I didn't hear anything about that. 472 00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:08,820 Yeah. Well, hey, we miss you up there. I gotta go. 473 00:29:13,940 --> 00:29:16,100 Hi. I just, uh, arranged everything. 474 00:29:17,140 --> 00:29:19,880 You're not gonna believe this, but he pled to the entire indictment. You're 475 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,540 kidding. The judge gave him 15 years. 476 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,460 For three rapes? 477 00:29:24,510 --> 00:29:27,250 Look, Amanda, I'm not upset about this, and you shouldn't be either. 478 00:29:27,530 --> 00:29:29,790 In this case, there's no way it was going to be a slam dunk. 479 00:29:30,370 --> 00:29:31,730 The video was inconclusive. 480 00:29:32,090 --> 00:29:35,410 Even if April and the other two victims were ready to testify, they were in an 481 00:29:35,410 --> 00:29:38,770 experimental treatment program that was always going to be tricky with the jury. 482 00:29:39,050 --> 00:29:42,090 To be honest, I'm surprised this lawyer didn't want to go to trial. 483 00:29:42,510 --> 00:29:44,130 Oh, my God, he's protecting a study. 484 00:29:45,930 --> 00:29:47,070 From what? Scrutiny. 485 00:29:47,970 --> 00:29:52,030 Look, Severson is a creep. He's a predator. 486 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,500 But he is a true believer in his therapy. And he'll take the hit so his 487 00:29:56,500 --> 00:29:59,900 does. And Sarah Light had all the videos of Severson. They knew what he was 488 00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:01,280 doing. And they did nothing? 489 00:30:02,340 --> 00:30:05,560 And it's despicable, but unfortunately, they don't have a duty to report. So 490 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,100 they get off on a technicality? Come on. 491 00:30:10,220 --> 00:30:13,000 Don't look at me like that, all right? For once, I'd like to be able to stay 492 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,820 within my jurisdiction when it comes to your live. 493 00:30:23,620 --> 00:30:25,680 We can't charge Sterilite criminally. 494 00:30:27,540 --> 00:30:28,940 But we can try to shut him down. 495 00:30:37,580 --> 00:30:43,080 Sonny, gotta say, shutting down an entire corporation because of one bad 496 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,100 doesn't sit well with me. 497 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,940 Sterilite sees me getting some good results out of this drug. 498 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,780 Well, I have no issue with protryptamine. 499 00:30:49,370 --> 00:30:51,410 Psychedelics in general, when they're handled appropriately. 500 00:30:51,690 --> 00:30:55,510 But what I do have an issue with is poor oversight and not paying attention when 501 00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:56,710 a doctor assaults his patients. 502 00:30:56,930 --> 00:30:58,130 And that man is going to prison. 503 00:30:58,450 --> 00:31:00,510 But that does nothing to solve the underlying issue. 504 00:31:01,330 --> 00:31:05,630 Look, their complete lack of oversight has created the perfect conditions for 505 00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:08,590 this to happen again with another doctor. I'm not saying we don't take a 506 00:31:08,690 --> 00:31:11,870 but shutting down the company could shut down the entire pursuit of this 507 00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:14,250 treatment. But if you do nothing, then patients are going to stay vulnerable. 508 00:31:16,570 --> 00:31:17,570 Look, listen. 509 00:31:18,220 --> 00:31:19,220 How about this? 510 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,200 Cross -designate me. 511 00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:25,460 Let me take it on. 512 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:40,240 She said both doctors would be in the room at all times for my protection and 513 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,040 theirs. And did Ms. Puntage have you sign a consent form for your sessions to 514 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,040 recorded? I did. 515 00:31:46,220 --> 00:31:49,060 They said it was for the study, and no one else would see them. 516 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,600 And I'm assuming that you did not consent to either doctor lying under a 517 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,560 with you and touching your body. 518 00:31:55,860 --> 00:31:57,420 No, absolutely not. 519 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:03,140 And did Ms. Fuentes or anyone else from Serolite Pharmaceuticals ever reach out 520 00:32:03,140 --> 00:32:05,740 to you about what was on your recorded video sessions? 521 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,000 No. Even after Dr. 522 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,140 Jefferson was arrested for sexually assaulting you? 523 00:32:10,380 --> 00:32:11,380 Not a word. 524 00:32:11,740 --> 00:32:14,240 Thank you, Ms. DiEso. No further questions, Your Honor. 525 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:15,700 Ms. Retset, your witness. 526 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,100 Ms. DeAso, what you endured at the hands of Dr. 527 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,100 Severson was reprehensible, and I don't want to put you through a long list of 528 00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:25,480 questions, so I'll be quick, all right? 529 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,280 Okay. I really just have one. 530 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,480 Did this therapy help you? 531 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,700 I don't know her. 532 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,660 I was assaulted. 533 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,620 Right. I know. 534 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,040 But that's not what I'm asking. 535 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,020 You had been treated for PTSD. 536 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,280 Is that still your diagnosis? 537 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,300 He's a monster. I don't disagree. 538 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:50,399 He is. 539 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:56,360 And, according to your post -clinical trial follow -up, your PTSD is, 540 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,860 speaking, no longer present. 541 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,720 So I'll ask again, did it help you? 542 00:33:08,060 --> 00:33:12,140 When I wake up at night, I feel like I'm being choked. 543 00:33:13,550 --> 00:33:14,750 Feel hands on me. 544 00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:17,630 Feel him on top of me over a year later. 545 00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:22,610 I think about what would have happened if Dr. Severson hadn't done this to me. 546 00:33:22,690 --> 00:33:24,130 What that life would have been like. 547 00:33:24,750 --> 00:33:25,950 I'll never know. 548 00:33:27,930 --> 00:33:31,630 I just don't want what happened to me to happen to anyone else. 549 00:33:40,790 --> 00:33:42,670 Ms. Fuentes, your company... 550 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,480 Has safeguards in place to prevent sexual abuse, correct? 551 00:33:45,820 --> 00:33:51,160 Yes, we do. For example, you require two therapists to be present for the entire 552 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,040 duration of every session. 553 00:33:53,260 --> 00:33:56,280 Correct. You also require that each session be recorded on video. 554 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,900 Yes. But that didn't really stop Dr. Severson, though, did it? 555 00:34:01,340 --> 00:34:04,540 We were horrified by his criminal actions. 556 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,500 But to say that one bad actor is indicative of our entire company, it's 557 00:34:10,010 --> 00:34:14,370 Right, because you know for certain that there was only one bad actor. You got 558 00:34:14,370 --> 00:34:18,270 the videos, right? So if anything inappropriate had happened, you would 559 00:34:18,270 --> 00:34:19,270 seen that. 560 00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:25,770 You do record every session, don't you, Dr. Fuentes? 561 00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:30,330 Yeah. And have you ever seen a therapist leave a session when they weren't 562 00:34:30,330 --> 00:34:31,069 supposed to? 563 00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:32,110 I never saw that. 564 00:34:32,330 --> 00:34:34,570 No? And all those videos? That's astonishing. 565 00:34:35,150 --> 00:34:38,630 I mean, how many hours would you say there are? There's got to be thousands. 566 00:34:39,230 --> 00:34:42,530 Yes. And approximately how many hours of those sessions did you watch? 567 00:34:44,330 --> 00:34:46,190 I haven't had an opportunity to review. 568 00:34:46,510 --> 00:34:51,050 You never watched the videos that you require for the purpose of protecting 569 00:34:51,050 --> 00:34:52,610 patients? Me personally? 570 00:34:52,989 --> 00:34:55,370 No. Okay, not personally, but who does? 571 00:34:56,110 --> 00:34:57,270 You have to understand. 572 00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:59,350 We keep the videos as records. 573 00:34:59,710 --> 00:35:02,490 We simply don't have the manpower to review that much footage. 574 00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:04,650 We're a research -focused entity. 575 00:35:04,910 --> 00:35:07,710 Its primary purpose should have been to keep your patients safe. 576 00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:14,130 And if you had done your job, then you would have seen three women, the very 577 00:35:14,130 --> 00:35:17,910 people that you were supposed to protect, be assaulted by one of your 578 00:35:17,950 --> 00:35:18,950 Isn't that true? 579 00:35:21,350 --> 00:35:22,350 Yes. 580 00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:24,810 Nothing further. 581 00:35:26,170 --> 00:35:27,970 Ms. Swinton, you may step down. 582 00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:33,990 Both counsel approach. 583 00:35:44,490 --> 00:35:48,170 Ms. Rett said, if things keep going the way they're going, I'm inclined to rule 584 00:35:48,170 --> 00:35:52,190 in favor of the Attorney General's office. Your Honor, I would... However, 585 00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:56,830 also understand that Serolite Pharmaceuticals is at the forefront of a 586 00:35:56,830 --> 00:36:01,630 breakthrough medication that has the potential to change the face of mental 587 00:36:01,630 --> 00:36:06,670 health treatment, perhaps under the right leadership. Hold on. Your Honor. 588 00:36:06,670 --> 00:36:10,230 Serolite Board would not object to removing Ms. Fuentes from her position 589 00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:11,250 CEO, Your Honor. 590 00:36:11,550 --> 00:36:16,250 In that case, I'd be inclined to deny the Attorney General's application to 591 00:36:16,250 --> 00:36:18,910 them down. Your Honor, respectfully, I disagree. 592 00:36:19,110 --> 00:36:20,530 Three women have been victimized. 593 00:36:21,070 --> 00:36:22,070 Victimized by Dr. 594 00:36:22,190 --> 00:36:23,410 Severson, who's out of the picture. 595 00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:28,390 Did SAU find any other instances of therapists abusing patients? 596 00:36:28,770 --> 00:36:31,630 No, they did not, but the potential for abuse is there. 597 00:36:32,010 --> 00:36:36,710 And unless we shut them down until real changes are made, it'll stay there. I 598 00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:40,090 admire your passion, Mr. Creasy, but I don't think you've made your case. 599 00:36:40,990 --> 00:36:42,270 You're welcome to take an appeal. 600 00:36:43,070 --> 00:36:44,070 Step back. 601 00:36:54,910 --> 00:36:58,110 Well, you went down swinging, Stoney. I'll give you that. 602 00:36:58,690 --> 00:37:01,770 Yeah, well, thanks for the spot on the team. Your turn. 603 00:37:02,090 --> 00:37:03,090 Take care. 604 00:37:03,930 --> 00:37:07,670 Well, you warned me that we were punching above our weight. Yeah, I did. 605 00:37:08,380 --> 00:37:10,980 Well, you're not going to give me the I -told -you -so speech? 606 00:37:15,220 --> 00:37:18,460 When I was a kid, my mom had an abortion. 607 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,720 Nearly killed the Catholic father. The baby would have been born with all kinds 608 00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:24,658 of problems. 609 00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:29,400 All this information came out about this antidepressant that she was using off 610 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,279 and on. 611 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,320 I remember this fancy lawyer, he came to our house and he wanted her to join a 612 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,580 class action lawsuit. 613 00:37:36,810 --> 00:37:40,790 Told us that hundreds of babies have been born with birth defects because of 614 00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:41,790 that drop. 615 00:37:41,870 --> 00:37:42,870 What did she do? 616 00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:45,290 Class action was denied certification. 617 00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:47,550 Case never went to trial. 618 00:37:48,070 --> 00:37:54,410 My mom, she couldn't afford to file an individual claim, so... So that was 619 00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:59,470 The crew sees everything. 620 00:38:00,750 --> 00:38:01,750 It's behind bars. 621 00:38:02,410 --> 00:38:05,110 We're moving for one day, so it's definitely going to shake things up. 622 00:38:06,350 --> 00:38:08,350 You didn't really lose this case today. 623 00:38:10,210 --> 00:38:11,650 I could share with the pep talk. 624 00:38:13,010 --> 00:38:15,050 Usually I'm the one telling you that we did all we could. 625 00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:16,670 Well, people change. 626 00:38:28,490 --> 00:38:30,410 What's this? A few files that you missed. 627 00:38:31,950 --> 00:38:33,470 This one was the killer. 628 00:38:33,950 --> 00:38:38,070 So the witness turned out to be a fabulous, just makes up a whole bunch of 629 00:38:38,070 --> 00:38:43,830 details. And then the whole case fell apart at trial. So I don't know why 630 00:38:43,830 --> 00:38:44,830 pulling my old cases. 631 00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:47,770 I suspect it's because somebody told you to. 632 00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:49,750 So you go ahead, Griff. 633 00:38:50,610 --> 00:38:52,470 You look into anything you want. 634 00:38:53,610 --> 00:38:55,090 Because I don't have any secrets. 635 00:38:56,370 --> 00:38:59,750 And whatever mistakes I've made, and I'm sure there have been a ton, 636 00:39:01,310 --> 00:39:02,750 I stand by. 637 00:39:05,550 --> 00:39:06,550 Wait. 638 00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:09,550 Look at this. 639 00:39:09,950 --> 00:39:10,950 What is that? 640 00:39:11,810 --> 00:39:15,970 From a shooting in a bar in the Upper West Side in 2001. 641 00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:17,230 Look at it. 642 00:39:17,810 --> 00:39:19,990 Involving a Lieutenant Jimmy Griffin. 643 00:39:23,970 --> 00:39:25,870 And Detective Catherine Tynan. 644 00:39:28,450 --> 00:39:32,550 Yeah, you're right. I was tasked into looking into your old cases. 645 00:39:32,910 --> 00:39:33,910 Okay. 646 00:39:34,540 --> 00:39:36,800 And I use that as cover to dig that up. 647 00:39:43,340 --> 00:39:45,340 What are you planning on doing with this, Rip? 648 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,820 I'm going to find out the truth. 649 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,380 And I'm going to give that to the commissioner. 650 00:39:56,140 --> 00:39:58,340 I don't care what happens to me. 651 00:39:59,980 --> 00:40:01,720 I don't care what happens to my dad. 652 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,120 Legacy after that. 653 00:40:04,799 --> 00:40:06,660 Legacy? Like, what the hell does that even mean? 654 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,200 Tynan. I mean, you know this. Tynan, she's been there for me. 655 00:40:16,580 --> 00:40:19,860 Through some very hard times, okay? 656 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,060 I cannot take any of this anymore. 657 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,480 I gotta know. Gotta know the truth. 658 00:40:32,279 --> 00:40:34,000 It's going to blow everything up. 659 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,140 Are you ready for that? 53174

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