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[music] You got [singing] me big high
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heart high
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anyone. [singing]
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Yeah. [singing]
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Yeah. Yeah.
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[music]
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You [singing] got me, Lord.
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Baby, [singing and music] why don't you
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go?
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>> Take it, bro. [music]
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>> Yeah.
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Yeah. [singing]
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>> [music]
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>> Oh yeah.
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[music]
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>> Well, you got me [singing] running.
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>> You got me down.
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>> Got me [music] up. Got me up, down,
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down, [singing] up. Anywhere you want to
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go.
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>> [music]
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [singing]
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Oh yeah.
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You got me [singing and music] doing
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what you want me. Well, baby, what you
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want me to do? [music]
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>> Next question. At the beginning when I
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joined, Paul was the only one who'd
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sleep with me.
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>> Well, there was actually a little bit of
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a a thing to that. I
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>> was never very prejudiced.
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>> No, I thought that was the best
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>> move really because when you joined and
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you were like the new fellow and nobody
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and I thought, well, if I hang out with
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you, then they'll all be like, you know,
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>> so I thought it'd be good to, you know,
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>> put Paul with him because [laughter]
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because then it would be all right then.
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>> Yeah. Anyway, but then it changed. It
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would be with anybody. I mean, for a
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while we wild be John and I, we didn't
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we just sort of, you know, went on for
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different
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>> actually. I enjoyed it a lot cuz, you
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know, it wasn't the kind of thing you'd
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done much. I mean, as kids, we'd
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hitchhiked. So, like me and George got
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down to Harlock and you'd sort of sleep
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in the same bed and just cuz, you know,
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it's like a bed B&B kind of thing. We I
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hadn't really done much of that being
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away from home when we started. I
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haven't done any of it cuz I'm an only
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child
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>> and you're butlins almost.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. But I still slept on my own.
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>> So it was kind of good, you know, and so
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um
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>> it was great. You sort of staying in a
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room with a friend and that and seeing
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his habits. I mean you you stayed up
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late, didn't you? He couldn't sleep.
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>> So you'd always have to he'd have to
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have the light on. [laughter]
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>> So I was frightened of the dark.
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>> He was Oh wow, poor. So you'd have to
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you know he'd have the light over there
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and you'd have to sleep this way. You
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couldn't like passenger. It was good
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though. You know, you get to know each
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other a bit that way.
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Hey, hey, hey.
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Yeah.
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>> Oh yeah.
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Yeah. [music]
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Oh yeah.
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>> [music]
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>> Okay, one more time. There we go.
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>> You know, my hair I'm still trying to
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make it go back like rock and roll.
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Uh but really naturally it just goes
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forward and we used to use that Vaseline
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like really thick Vaseline and just get
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it go back like that and I remember once
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we went to the swimming baths in Hamburg
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and I remember walking back down towards
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the reaper bar and it dried and it was
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all like that and then by the evening we
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saw our friends who was all in yoga and
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acid and I remember them saying oh no no
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don't do that it's leave it like it is
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it's really Good. It was kind of like
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that and everybody around that time was
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starting to just because of their
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influence. If they'd had said, "No, no,
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it's NAF," we would have probably
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changed it. But cuz they liked it, then
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we liked it.
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>> We didn't really go with it in a major
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way. We still
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>> when it got into a permanent
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>> Well, I remember when John and I went to
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he had his 21st and he got 100 quid off
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his uncle who was a dentist in
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Edinburgh. um [snorts]
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you know very very elevated stuff that
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we'd never known the likes of like
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anyone who had a relative as a dentist
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even
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100 quid well to this day I say no one's
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ever given me 100 quid on my birthday
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smack 100 smackers
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that was I mean and then obviously you
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can imagine it was just like
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>> only I'd have known last
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>> yeah me too
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>> yeah 100 smackers next time next time
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but um
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>> I even have it [laughter]
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>> but John got these this 100 quid so He
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said, "Oh, you know what should we do?"
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We were hanging out. So, we decided to
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go to Spain, spend this 100 quid. We got
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as far as Paris. We hitchhiked, got as
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far as Paris, um, and decided, "No,
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we'll maybe go to Spain, maybe later in
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the week." And we kept liking Paris.
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Anyway, we bumped into Jurgen, who was
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our friend from Astrid and Jurgen and
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Clouse. Bumped into Jurgen and said,
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"Um,
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your hair's nice, you know, could you do
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ours like that?" Yeah.
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>> So he said, "Are you sure you want
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this?" You know, maybe no one, you know,
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we're on holiday, Paris, go on and all
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that. And so he did it. Then we arrived
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back in Liverpool with this sort of me
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and John with this sort of funny hair
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forward like you were saying and
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everyone was a bit dubious [music] about
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it, but it just just fell into the thing
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then and we sort of kept it forward.
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>> Sounds.
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>> And you brushed yours forward. Ringo
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always had a big gray shock under there
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from when he was a kid. Well, he had to
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have his push done to join the band
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then.
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>> And he had the only way I could join.
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>> And it was like uh what's his name?
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>> But it was cool cuz it when it come
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forward, you didn't see his grave.
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>> He had a beard, too.
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>> Beard's got to go
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bloody rich.
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>> Put your head in.
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>> You know, we want to see these faces.
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>> Yeah. We've got a look.
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>> [ __ ] face, man. We don't want beards
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>> like this. Actually, just before I
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joined you guys.
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>> That's right. Yeah. Only with a suit. We
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actually saw a London band in Hamburg
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and one of these London bands had this
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boot with a big point. It had like a
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chisely pointy toe and a Cuban heel and
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we thought, "hm, they're good. Where did
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you get those?" And he said, "Uh, it's
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in London. It was called Anelo and
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David's." And we went to Anelo and
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Davids and bought those boots. And then
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later we thought, "Hey, they make them.
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We'll make our get our own." Well, the
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one that became the Beetle Boot was like
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ones we had made. But the original one,
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you remember, he had that elastic down
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the side and
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah.
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>> It was a ballet shop, wasn't it? Vanilla
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and David was ballet made ballet stuff
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and tutus and and shoes you could where
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all the little girls went. So, we'd be
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making our uh
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>> we were getting our um beetle boots made
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and there' be little tutu ladies with
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their children, you know.
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>> No, you had the tutu.
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>> I never did. I never had one of them.
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I just said, "Well, it was Ringer. His
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feet bandage, wasn't it?"
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>> Yeah.
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>> It had to go into those little belly
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shoes.
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>> So, we had a man and then later
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[clears throat]
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>> we had uh you know, we started realizing
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you can get whatever you wanted. So, cuz
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at first they were all the same. Then we
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could have like when we made the film
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size,
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>> we get a I got a cord. What boots would
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go? I'll get cord boots. just give them
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the same fabric and make them. And then
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we had like ankle ones, calf ones, knee
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eye, you know, all kinds of ones.
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>> Then there was this one that went,
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>> "Oh, no.
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>> I've been thinking of linking my life
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with you. [music]
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>> Thinking linking love so true.
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thinking of linking [music and singing]
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can only be done by two.
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Yeah, one of the first.
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>> It was about one of the first ones.
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There was a commercial in the on the on
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the cinema for link furniture called
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Thinking of Lincoln. We went the
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pictures.
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Good intro. Good intro. Yeah.
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[music]
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Well, I've been thinking of linking my
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love so true. Thinking of linking
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[music and singing] my life with you.
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Thinking of linking can only be done by
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two.
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There's no second verse.
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Thank you.
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>> Cost 75 quid. My first car
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>> off Johnny Hutch.
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>> That was a good car.
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>> Was it off Johnny Hutch?
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>> Johnny.
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>> Now, what color was it?
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>> Red and white. Hand painted.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Painted by hand. And you had a green
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Anglia.
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>> Blue.
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>> Blue.
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>> That was much later though.
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>> Yeah. I took you to get that car.
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>> Did you?
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>> Yeah. I took you to
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>> Warington.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And as we were coming home, you may not
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remember.
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>> Oh, yeah.
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>> You were speeding and I was speeding
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>> and we were both
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>> close to each other. and you overtook
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this car in front. And I got right up to
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this car and I was ready to overtake
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him. Just as I got right up his ass, a
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dog ran out in front of him. So he
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slammed on his brakes. I smashed right
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into him, [laughter]
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broke the [ __ ] out of my car, but was
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lucky. It was by a garage cuz I drove
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Well, we pushed it into the garage
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because I had no license or insurance.
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>> Did I stop or did I keep going?
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>> Oh, you just kept going.
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>> I didn't see you. You just didn't give a
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damn.
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>> Even till this day, [laughter] I never
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knew about that.
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>> Yeah. Cool, man.
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>> Well, couldn't we do Blue Moon?
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Blue Moon.
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>> Yeah, man. He's got the chords. What's
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the opening?
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>> Well, just a short version. [music]
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Blue moon,
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blue moon, keep shining bright.
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[music] Blue moon, keep on shining
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bright. My baby back tonight.
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>> [music]
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>> Shine bright.
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I said blue moon just to keep on
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shining.
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Shine on one that's going [music] to let
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me blue.
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Well, blue moon just to keep on shining.
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Shine on one that's going to let me
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blue.
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[music] But it was only right night when
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the stars shine bright. [music]
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Wind blowing high. My [singing] love
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said by the moon
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shine on the wall that's going [music]
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to let me blue
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on the wall that's going to let me
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shine on the wall that's [music] going
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to let me blue.
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>> So did you ever bad leg?
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>> Did you ever meet Elvis again?
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>> I felt I'd met him several times.
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>> You felt him?
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>> Yeah. Well, no wonder he didn't
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[laughter] stand up.
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>> You mean you remember him? Well,
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>> some memories that I met him several
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times,
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>> but
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>> maybe it was just the one night
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to him. [laughter]
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>> It's called flashbacks, I think.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Did you meet him again?
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>> No, I met him just once. You met him?
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>> I met him in Madison Square Garden when
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he was just I suppose a couple of years
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before the end. It was sad really
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>> rhinestone
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>> because he um
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>> it was like he had all them squawking
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girl singers and trumpet players and all
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that stuff but he had a great rhythm
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section James Burton and uh
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>> sure
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>> and all that gang and uh I just wanted
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to say to him just get your jeans on and
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get your guitar and just do that. I went
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to see him in Vegas
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>> and bugger all that other crap in the
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70s thing about
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>> after the um
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>> Oh, you saw him in Vegas.
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>> Yeah.
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>> I only met him that once that night
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>> he was when I saw him I was like a
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hippie and I had all this denim on and I
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had long stuff down to here. It was in
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the early 70s and uh I went backstage to
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meet him and you know those big dressing
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rooms like you know miles of toilets and
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stuff and so I was sitting there talking
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to the guys again and he was nowhere to
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be seen and then finally came around the
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corner and he had that big white outfit
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with all the gold things and big belt
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buckle like this and he looked like
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Ringo. It was all his beard was was
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varnished. [laughter]
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No, you know, all his hair was black and
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he was all tanned and stuff and he
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seemed like I thought I was meeting
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Vishnu or you know Krishna or somebody.
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It was just like wow and I just felt
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like this little snotty grubby little
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you know hello Elvis how are you? you
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know, and he was like, "Hey, [laughter]
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just this big white thing and and I just
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wanted to say, oh, why don't you just
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just go and do That's all right, Mama."
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And um, you know,
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chick singers or I did it my way.
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[singing]
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It was sad, but he did a couple of good
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tunes.
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>> Yeah. But did you ever meet him again?
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>> Not after that day,
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but he was great when he was great.
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Ain't [music and singing] she sweet?
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I ask you [singing and music] very
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confidentially. Ain't she sweet?
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Cast an eye [music]
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in her [singing] direction.
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Hold me. Oh my. [music]
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Ain't that perfection
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[singing]
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though? I repeat.
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Don't you think she's kind of
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[music and singing] sweetly now? That's
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it very confidentially. Ain't she sweet?
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Ain't she [singing] sweet?
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Ain't she
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>> sweet?
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>> Let's go.
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>> Well, this has really been a a really
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nice day for me, chap.
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>> It's been a pleasure for me, too.
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>> We're going to have to see you for the
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next 40 years.
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>> Yeah. [laughter]
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Well, that should end the series. We
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could end on this note then. And
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>> but I think it was Candlestick Park.
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>> Yeah.
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>> No, it wasn't. It was
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>> This is Candlestick Park.
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>> This is Candlestick Park.
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>> No, it's been a very nice day. Thanks
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for having us, George. Thank you.
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>> Been really beautiful and moving for me.
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I like hanging out with you two [music]
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guys.
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>> Little churchy face.
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Golden slurs.
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I know. It was an old uh an old song,
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isn't it? It's an old
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>> Well, when did you write it?
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>> Well, I mean, it's not my lyrics. It's
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an old It's like It's ancient uh really.
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>> It's sort of Yeah, it's like an old
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wrote arranged.
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Yeah.
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>> Trad arranged with tune.
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I put the tune to it. It's my tune.
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>> But um it was at my dad's house.
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>> You put the traditional drums on it. I
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was at my dad's house and it was one of
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those sheep music things that was up to
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learn piano and I just like the lyrics
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and stuff. So I started I couldn't read
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the music so I started doing my tune to
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it.
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>> Which album was this?
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>> This was on Abby Road. [laughter]
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You're George, [music]
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>> foremost bele expert.
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>> George has
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>> to get back home [singing and music]
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base and piano so far.
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>> Once there was [singing] a way [music]
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to get back home.
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Sleep pretty darling, [singing]
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do [music] not cry.
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>> That's not a piano.
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>> And I will sing [music and singing]
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along.
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>> Carry that weight.
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Those are together. [music]
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Smile [singing]
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when you rise.
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Sleep pretty darling,
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[singing and music]
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do not cry.
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And [singing] I will sing along [music]
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by
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the way [singing]
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to [music] get back home.
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>> I don't think you are on it. Didn't
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sound like you are.
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>> Didn't sound like anybody's on it.
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>> Wasn't you, was it?
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>> Well, unless it was overdubbed.
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[music] Why would you ever take one?
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[singing]
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>> Because he was playing the piano.
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>> I think I'm playing piano. [music] So,
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who was playing bass?
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>> I think I'm over at the same time.
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>> He overdumped it. Can you
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>> You can hear the sound of it. It's like
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directing Jake. [music]
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>> [singing]
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>> You
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>> give many takes. Take 17.
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>> He was keen.
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[music]
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[singing]
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>> Maybe I played bass. I played bass on
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some with that six stringer.
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>> It sounds like it. It was It was
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definitely Paul playing piano. So, it
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couldn't even
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>> Well, you you should be able to tell
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because
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>> Shall we,
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>> you know, you just have done [music] it.
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There are lots of there's lots of false
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starts and breakdowns. That was take
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one.
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>> So we end up at
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>> You're saying the bass is couldn't it
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couldn't have been overdub because it's
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on every take.
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>> It was live.
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>> Okay. Well then it must have been me or
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John playing it.
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>> Obviously you can't remember could have
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been ring.
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>> Well look we did have we had a six
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string bass
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um a right-handed bass.
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>> Yeah. So the for these kind of
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conditions,
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>> one of the great things about this
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studio and the way EMI was set up was
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they were set up for Mrs. Mills or
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Daniel Baron or Russ Conway
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>> or Peter Cellers. So they always had
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these millions of instruments like they
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still got now grand pianos odd little
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pianos and
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>> all the ones that you haven't got at
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your
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>> and I've well they've ended up at my
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studio now cuz they're all trying to get
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rid of them here and you know I'll have
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>> Neil and Mel would be over here
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>> behind these.
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>> I thought it was over here. Let's see.
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This is where everybody disagrees.
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>> Well, they moved them around so much.
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>> We mainly were over there.
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>> And my bit on um
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>> the cable, the cable was through that
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door.
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>> I think he's talking about yellow
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submarine, I [laughter] think.
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>> I thought it was natural echo.
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>> Just in that door there.
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>> Yeah. At that time there was a little
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board the the desk of the the console
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was just about this big with four faders
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on it and there was one speaker right in
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the middle and uh for a mix it would be
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funny cuz everybody had get on a fader
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each and have full bass and full treble
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and one speaker and that was it. When
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they invented stereo I remember thinking
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why what do you want two speakers for?
547
00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:37,039
because it ruined the sound from our
548
00:21:35,039 --> 00:21:38,799
point of view. You know, we had
549
00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:40,559
everything coming out of one speaker.
550
00:21:38,799 --> 00:21:42,559
Now we had to come out of two speakers.
551
00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:43,760
It all sounded like
552
00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:45,280
>> very naked.
553
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,960
>> But then finally someone said, "Well,
554
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,640
you can move things."
555
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,559
>> So like everything from then on got
556
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,880
panned like magic and everything got
557
00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:52,400
moved.
558
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,559
>> But the, you know, to get to the point
559
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:57,280
where you do a stereo mix and put the
560
00:21:54,559 --> 00:21:58,960
drums and bass in the middle, you know,
561
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,200
>> for a long time used to be over on the
562
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,240
side
563
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,840
>> because we always used to do that
564
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,400
sticking on. I remember being at a party
565
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,919
at Brian's house and talking to someone
566
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,440
and saying, "Oh, this is great. Bit this
567
00:22:05,919 --> 00:22:09,010
on the drums. Listen to this." And it
568
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,400
wasn't on that speaker. So, hang
569
00:22:09,010 --> 00:22:11,760
[laughter] on. Put it on again. And we
570
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,905
had to go over to the other speaker to
571
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,679
hear the drums. It's going great.
572
00:22:14,905 --> 00:22:17,440
[laughter]
573
00:22:15,679 --> 00:22:19,280
>> He's like, "No drums in that space."
574
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:22,080
>> John got a spool of tape of the rough
575
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:25,600
mix of the backing track to uh I think
576
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:28,400
it was I'm only sleeping. And you know,
577
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:32,240
by the time he got home, uh, he didn't
578
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:33,919
realize cuz they the tape was tails out.
579
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,679
And, uh, they just stuck it on a reel
580
00:22:33,919 --> 00:22:39,200
and he put it on his tape machine and
581
00:22:35,679 --> 00:22:41,200
threaded the tail in forward and got it
582
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,640
backwards. That's when he came in the
583
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,200
next day and said, "Oh, yeah,
584
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:47,120
backwards." And then we made him turn
585
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,880
the tape over and play it backwards. And
586
00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:52,320
we all played, I think John and I or
587
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:55,280
Paul and I played guitars, just like
588
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:57,120
random notes on the guitars. And then we
589
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,790
turned the tape back over to see what we
590
00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:03,080
had. And that was like the first time
591
00:22:58,790 --> 00:23:03,080
[music] we had a backwards solo.
592
00:23:07,305 --> 00:23:09,325
[music]
593
00:23:11,891 --> 00:23:13,911
[music]
594
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:20,480
I'm miles [singing] away [music] and
595
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,240
after
596
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:25,240
I
597
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,240
sleeping,
598
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:31,280
>> you know, it became easier to do
599
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,799
experiments cuz we'd had a few hits, you
600
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,520
know, that was the key. [laughter]
601
00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:37,280
No, the key was that we'd had success
602
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,240
and then it was, "Oh, great. Come in,
603
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,159
lads.
604
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,559
>> Nice to see you back again." And and as
605
00:23:40,159 --> 00:23:45,600
we got more and more success, we were
606
00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:47,919
more and more able to, you know, try
607
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,360
some far out ideas. And um
608
00:23:47,919 --> 00:23:51,120
>> it also give us more time
609
00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:52,880
>> and also then you'd have success with
610
00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:55,120
something that might have seemed like a
611
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,720
far out idea and that had, you know,
612
00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:58,880
people would say, "Wow, this is great."
613
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:02,240
And so we'd come back again and George
614
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:04,000
would be, you know, really quite keen to
615
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:07,200
try, well, what other ideas have you
616
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:09,919
got? You know, so it just became, you
617
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:13,200
know, like a free house for, you know,
618
00:24:09,919 --> 00:24:14,559
whatever idea you wanted. We'd try it.
619
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,640
>> Loops right on two.
620
00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:16,960
>> Can we have a Tomorrow Never Knows,
621
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,320
please?
622
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,039
>> Which take?
623
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,440
>> Which take?
624
00:24:19,039 --> 00:24:21,840
>> All of them.
625
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,640
>> All of them. First take the first take.
626
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,400
It's very weird.
627
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:27,440
>> Oh, well. Play the rear take.
628
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:30,880
>> Listen to this on It's like the drums
629
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,320
and a guitar that's going to off speed.
630
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,640
Um,
631
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:39,279
>> you see right now there's only two
632
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:42,282
there's only two basic track takes
633
00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:44,302
>> which is one and three
634
00:24:42,282 --> 00:24:44,302
[music]
635
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:53,279
all that underwater stuff. [music]
636
00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:55,520
We should speed that up and see what it
637
00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:58,057
was. Listen the drum part.
638
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,057
>> Great. [music]
639
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,320
Probably different.
640
00:25:03,242 --> 00:25:05,262
>> [music]
641
00:25:09,792 --> 00:25:11,812
[music]
642
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,640
>> Nothing on
643
00:25:15,687 --> 00:25:17,707
[music]
644
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,200
top
645
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:34,440
So is that just on its own?
646
00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:34,440
>> That's his voice.
647
00:25:35,337 --> 00:25:36,559
[music]
648
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,520
>> That's good
649
00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:41,360
>> with a bit of drums and a bit of loop.
650
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:44,507
So nothing on there.
651
00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:45,520
>> We haven't put the loops on this tape.
652
00:25:44,507 --> 00:25:49,600
[music]
653
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:51,600
>> This was just the first run through.
654
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:56,320
>> He wanted his voice to sound like the
655
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:58,000
Dalai Lama um chanting the hilltop. And
656
00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,720
I said, well, it's bit expensive going
657
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:03,200
to Tibet. Can we make do with it here?
658
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:05,039
And I spoke to Jeff Rick and he had a
659
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,600
good idea. He said, let's try putting
660
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:09,600
his voice through a Leslie speaker
661
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,600
>> and back again and re-recording it. And
662
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,120
I don't think anyone done that before.
663
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,039
And that's that's the way we got his
664
00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:16,640
special effect on his voice there. And
665
00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:19,600
the other thing on that weird track was
666
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:22,080
a tamboura drone and Ringo's very
667
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:26,200
characteristic drumming.
668
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,200
>> See, it's like doing a rumbo.
669
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,688
It's great. I like it. [music]
670
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,159
>> How is he doing that?
671
00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:38,000
>> What's that underwater sound?
672
00:26:36,159 --> 00:26:40,080
>> How is that drummer doing that, George?
673
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,858
>> Oh, he had to be very brilliant. It's
674
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,858
just brilliant. [music]
675
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:49,840
>> No tambourum.
676
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:52,880
>> What's that with the drums? [music]
677
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:57,240
>> Sounds like some kind of resin.
678
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,240
>> Some resin music. Anyway,
679
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,679
>> you then change it up.
680
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,200
>> Yeah.
681
00:27:03,679 --> 00:27:06,720
>> So that was the first take. That [music]
682
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,480
was the first take.
683
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,080
>> John just had the song.
684
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:13,039
>> Well, the song I think was very much
685
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:16,640
influenced by you know in those days the
686
00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:18,480
Indian music had come in to our lives
687
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,440
and the the way Indian music just was
688
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,320
all on one uh in one key. It didn't
689
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,039
modulate
690
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:28,320
>> his idea. But, you know, he wanted to
691
00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:30,000
try a tune like that that didn't change
692
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,200
chords.
693
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:35,200
Uh and also because of um some of the
694
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,200
other influences he had that Timothy
695
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:40,400
Liry book
696
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:42,799
which was um supposedly uh I think it
697
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,279
was called a psychedelic experience and
698
00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:46,799
he had some stuff that related to the
699
00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:49,919
Tibetan book of the dead and he wrote
700
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:51,200
those words and did it that was all kind
701
00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:53,760
of book weren't those words
702
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,200
>> monotone kind of thing lay down your
703
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,559
mind it is not
704
00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:00,320
>> and also you know Paul and you know I
705
00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:02,399
mean there was different things going
706
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,720
on, different influences at the time,
707
00:28:02,399 --> 00:28:08,159
one of them being avantgard, you know,
708
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:11,039
stocks and and so I mean it was very
709
00:28:08,159 --> 00:28:13,440
much experimental um thing and all that
710
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:14,960
was a number of experimental things that
711
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:18,640
all came together
712
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,679
>> on the one song.
713
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,120
>> Oh, that was the break.
714
00:28:19,679 --> 00:28:24,329
>> Oh, now we're talking.
715
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:25,440
>> Now we're talking serious music. Now
716
00:28:24,329 --> 00:28:30,880
[music]
717
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:32,159
>> you say in Woohoo. Turn off your mind.
718
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,559
Relax. And [music]
719
00:28:32,159 --> 00:28:36,159
>> so what have we got there?
720
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:36,720
>> This is the real one.
721
00:28:36,159 --> 00:28:38,240
>> On one.
722
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:42,120
>> Yeah.
723
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,120
>> Got the voice on three.
724
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:49,200
>> And on track two turn three.
725
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:51,839
>> You've got your various tape loops and
726
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,859
your guitar on tambour.
727
00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:53,859
[singing and music]
728
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,440
shining.
729
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,600
>> And on that one, I brought in a bunch of
730
00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:06,480
tape loops and a little plastic bag that
731
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,080
I'd done at home. And uh I just made a
732
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,000
lot of little loops that I liked, you
733
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,480
know, and brought them all in. literally
734
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,880
little pieces of loop tape, little
735
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,760
plastic bag, and we got them all on
736
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,679
about eight or so machines with everyone
737
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,520
holding a loop and a pencil or a bit of
738
00:29:19,679 --> 00:29:22,960
a glass and stuff and got them running
739
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,600
around on the machines and then fed them
740
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:28,240
all into the desk and made a little mix
741
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,159
that you heard before. All those seagull
742
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,320
noises and stuff, it's all sped up tapes
743
00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:35,039
and loops. So, that was another little
744
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:37,760
ingredient in that.
745
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:39,679
>> That wasn't used, was it?
746
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:43,159
>> Yeah.
747
00:29:39,679 --> 00:29:43,159
At that point,
748
00:29:43,585 --> 00:29:49,399
[laughter]
749
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,399
bring Phil Collins in
750
00:29:56,030 --> 00:29:58,050
[music]
751
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,240
really good.
752
00:30:05,855 --> 00:30:07,875
>> [music]
753
00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:13,120
>> I suppose you remember what that loop
754
00:30:10,159 --> 00:30:14,960
was made [music] of
755
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,520
guitar.
756
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,880
>> When we made that, we could never
757
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,880
reproduce it again. It'd be impossible
758
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,840
to reproduce again because the way we
759
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:26,720
made it was the actual mix. And all over
760
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:28,960
this this building in different rooms
761
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:31,919
were tapes, [music] tape machines with
762
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,360
loops on them and people holding the
763
00:30:31,919 --> 00:30:36,559
loops the right distance from thing with
764
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:38,559
a bit of pencil going all the time being
765
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:40,480
fed to different faders on our control
766
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:42,960
panel which we could bring out the sound
767
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,279
like an organ at any time. So the mix we
768
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:48,760
did then was a random thing at that time
769
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:48,760
could never be done.
770
00:30:49,086 --> 00:30:52,600
[music] Let's
771
00:30:54,981 --> 00:30:57,001
[music]
772
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,960
listen to this.
773
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,640
>> So the double track voice is straight
774
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:14,031
and that one is got the wall effect on
775
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,031
it. [music]
776
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,240
>> We are gathered here today.
777
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,720
That's good.
778
00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:30,159
>> That's that piano down there.
779
00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:31,840
>> What are you? I don't know. It sounds
780
00:31:30,159 --> 00:31:32,960
like you.
781
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,159
>> It could be me.
782
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,901
>> It sounds like you.
783
00:31:34,159 --> 00:31:38,000
>> Sy.
784
00:31:36,901 --> 00:31:40,000
[laughter]
785
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:44,200
>> Well, there you go.
786
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,200
>> That's how we did it. There is
787
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:06,039
heat.
788
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,039
When I went on tour, [music] journalists
789
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,640
would say, "Is it true the Beatles going
790
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:20,559
to get back together?" And I had to have
791
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,240
an answer, some kind of answer for that.
792
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:24,880
So, the answer became, "Yeah, well, it
793
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,640
may be that the three of us will get in
794
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,440
and do some incidental music, maybe an
795
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,159
instrumental [music]
796
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,922
for this uh new Beatles thing we're
797
00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:32,000
doing, this anthology documentary."
798
00:32:31,922 --> 00:32:34,000
>> [music]
799
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,080
>> We were going to do some like incidental
800
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,919
music, you know, just get there and play
801
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,000
of the instrument, see what happened.
802
00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:41,919
And then,
803
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,600
you know, that seemed like an okay idea.
804
00:32:41,919 --> 00:32:47,697
And then we thought, well, why don't we
805
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,697
do some new music? [music]
806
00:32:50,262 --> 00:32:52,282
[music]
807
00:32:58,122 --> 00:33:00,142
[music]
808
00:33:05,327 --> 00:33:07,347
>> [music]
809
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,039
>> We always had a, you know, a thing
810
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,120
between [music] the three of us or the
811
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:15,039
four of us at that time that if any one
812
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:18,559
of us wasn't in it, we weren't going to
813
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:20,960
get, you know, kind of Roger Waters and
814
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:23,760
go out as the Beatles
815
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:26,640
or Dave Gilmore. We were going to, you
816
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,480
know, so so therefore the only other
817
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:31,440
person who could be in it was John. We
818
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:34,640
kept hitting that wall because this is a
819
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,880
documentary on the Beatles. It's not on
820
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,799
Paul, George, and Ringo.
821
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,600
>> If we were to do something, the three of
822
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:45,679
us, as interesting as it may be, and as
823
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:48,159
nice as we could sure make it,
824
00:33:45,679 --> 00:33:50,240
to have John in it is the obvious thing.
825
00:33:48,159 --> 00:33:52,880
>> So, Paul, I believe it was Paul who
826
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,720
asked Yoko, "Is there anything of John's
827
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,640
that never came out? Maybe we could work
828
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,399
with it."
829
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,519
and uh she sent us these tapes and
830
00:33:58,399 --> 00:34:00,960
that's how it came about.
831
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:02,240
>> And in actual fact, we didn't know as
832
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,919
much [clears throat] as most Lenon fans
833
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,799
because they they'd actually knew all
834
00:34:03,919 --> 00:34:08,399
the releases. They knew that uh um Free
835
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:10,399
as a Bird and Real Love had been heard.
836
00:34:08,399 --> 00:34:12,240
They'd heard them. We hadn't. It was
837
00:34:10,399 --> 00:34:14,399
really emotional. I mean, just hearing
838
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:17,919
the tape
839
00:34:14,399 --> 00:34:20,320
uh that was sent was pretty emotional.
840
00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:21,919
And then we got to the studio and it was
841
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,800
it was difficult for a while. I mean,
842
00:34:21,919 --> 00:34:28,159
what uh you know, he's not here. We're
843
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:30,639
all here. Where's John? Uh, of course
844
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:33,599
John's in heaven.
845
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:35,679
And uh, but we had to get over that. We
846
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:37,839
got over that by feeling that he was
847
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:40,879
he'd gone for lunch. He's gone for a cup
848
00:34:37,839 --> 00:34:43,200
of tea or he's, you know, cuz
849
00:34:40,879 --> 00:34:45,520
all the time we were making records, we
850
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:48,320
weren't all in the room all the time. I
851
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,159
mean, sometimes we would split. And so
852
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,679
we dealt with it in that way. That's how
853
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:53,679
I dealt with it, that he's just around
854
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:56,399
the corner. So, when we got in the
855
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:58,400
studio, uh, we had this cassette, Free
856
00:34:56,399 --> 00:35:01,760
as a Bird. It's very bad quality. It was
857
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:04,640
just a mono cassette, um, with John and
858
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,400
the piano locked in on one track, uh,
859
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,680
which nobody would normally deal with.
860
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,320
You know, you just think, I can't deal
861
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,079
with this. But the song was so strong
862
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,680
that we overcame those technical
863
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:14,480
difficulties, or rather Jeff Lynn did
864
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,760
who was producing.
865
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,400
>> It wasn't an easy thing because they
866
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,259
were like mono tapes and John singing on
867
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,280
them with the piano as well, and so
868
00:35:20,259 --> 00:35:23,280
[snorts] you couldn't really separate
869
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,680
anything. So Johnny's actually playing
870
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,440
piano on the records too, you know. Um,
871
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,240
which is a great thing. So it kept the
872
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,079
integrity of that and it wasn't like uh
873
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:33,599
like his voice just appearing out of
874
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:35,520
nowhere. He was actually doing a
875
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:37,760
performance at the same time.
876
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,839
Technically it was virtually impossible
877
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,280
to do it. But we we get we did it, you
878
00:35:39,839 --> 00:35:45,680
know, because we really worked at it
879
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:48,720
very hard. So after that uh we did like
880
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:52,880
a basic track with all these gaps in it
881
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:56,160
and then we had to fill in the song you
882
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:58,904
know uh which which shows what happened.
883
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:01,920
>> What we actually did was remake this
884
00:35:58,904 --> 00:36:05,680
[music] song. I mean even with chords
885
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:08,160
and stuff we changed chords.
886
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:10,694
>> Beautiful.
887
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,400
Well, I vote for the E suspended.
888
00:36:10,694 --> 00:36:15,920
[music and singing]
889
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:18,560
What do you think, audience? We changed
890
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:22,960
arrangements. We added parts and we
891
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:25,680
wrote lyrics and then we made the the
892
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:28,560
multitrack tape of this song and then
893
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:31,440
took [music] John's voice and laid him
894
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,620
into the track. when it started taking
895
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:36,000
shape and John was sort of in there
896
00:36:33,620 --> 00:36:37,359
[music] and coming up and singing and I
897
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,680
think everybody from that moment said,
898
00:36:37,359 --> 00:36:41,200
"Wow, this really works." You know, and
899
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,200
and I was really thrilled cuz, you know,
900
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,000
I'd spent a long long time after we got
901
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,800
the backing done making the vocals fit
902
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,160
exactly.
903
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,839
>> Uh, let's check that. It was really
904
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,760
good.
905
00:36:49,839 --> 00:36:54,320
>> And once that happened, I think we were
906
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,079
all, "Oh, yeah. This really it's really
907
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,760
good, you know, and and it's not doing
908
00:36:56,079 --> 00:37:00,240
John
909
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:03,095
disservice or whatever. It's actually
910
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:05,115
make it into a really good record.
911
00:37:03,095 --> 00:37:05,115
[music]
912
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,400
tell [music] me.
913
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:29,680
>> I listened to it and and [music]
914
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:31,599
I thought it sounds just like them. You
915
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,119
know, I'd taken myself away from it for
916
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:35,520
so long that it, you know, it was like
917
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:37,440
listening to it from like an outsider
918
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,280
and it sounds just like them. It's it's
919
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,720
brilliant. when George and I were doing
920
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,920
the harmonies and that was [music] what
921
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:43,680
Ringo said when we got back in the
922
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,640
control just sounds just like the
923
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,160
Beatles, you know.
924
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,440
>> It wasn't surprising to me really
925
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,920
because I mean that's what I went there
926
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:52,960
for was to work with the Beatles. So I
927
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,400
always like assumed in my naivity
928
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,079
whatever that it was going to sound like
929
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,440
a Beatles record because I'm doing
930
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:59,280
working with the Beatles.
931
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,160
>> It's got to sound like them if it is
932
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,880
them.
933
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:06,200
>> It's it sounds like them now. That's
934
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,200
what I think.
935
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,520
So [music]
936
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,520
free.
937
00:38:11,871 --> 00:38:13,891
[music]
938
00:38:18,421 --> 00:38:20,441
>> [music]
939
00:38:27,591 --> 00:38:29,611
[music]
940
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:36,761
>> The first choice uh was free as a bird
941
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,359
and we did that in February 94 and then
942
00:38:36,761 --> 00:38:40,000
[music]
943
00:38:37,359 --> 00:38:41,920
um kind of really didn't do much except
944
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:46,480
put together the anthology not recording
945
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:48,320
wise [music] any till uh February 95
946
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:51,640
where we went back to my studio with
947
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,640
real love.
948
00:38:53,136 --> 00:38:57,121
[music]
949
00:38:55,101 --> 00:38:57,121
[singing]
950
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:04,320
>> Seems that [singing and music] all I
951
00:39:01,359 --> 00:39:08,359
really was doing
952
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,359
was waiting [music] for you.
953
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:15,920
Well, real love's poppy. Uh, it's more
954
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:17,359
of a Poppy song.
955
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,760
It was
956
00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:22,560
It was more difficult actually because
957
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,880
we'd already done it. So now we're we're
958
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:27,040
doing it again. So you know for me I
959
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:31,782
felt it was more difficult to to turn it
960
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:33,802
into a real Beatle track.
961
00:39:31,782 --> 00:39:33,802
[music]
962
00:39:44,227 --> 00:39:47,359
>> [music]
963
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:49,680
>> It's real love.
964
00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:54,359
It's real. [music]
965
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,359
Yes, it's real love.
966
00:39:55,599 --> 00:40:00,079
>> The thing for me that was not quite as
967
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:02,480
much fun in the recording of Real Love
968
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:05,680
was it was finished. It had all the
969
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:08,720
words and the music. So, I didn't really
970
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:10,160
get to input which like we the the other
971
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:11,760
three of us have been able to input on
972
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,760
Freeze Bird. So [snorts] it made it more
973
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,920
like a Beatles session. This was like
974
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,000
more like we were side men to John,
975
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:22,760
which was, you know, joyful and it was
976
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,760
good fun. And I think we did a good job.
977
00:40:25,493 --> 00:40:27,513
[music]
978
00:40:32,043 --> 00:40:34,063
>> [music]
979
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,880
>> And I was like this. [music] I wasn't
980
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,599
even the fly on the wall. I was fly in
981
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,560
the middle of the room, you know, with
982
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:49,920
the desperate. Oh, it's great. And it
983
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,920
was the most I mean, it's beyond [music]
984
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,160
me wildest dreams to have actually sat
985
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,319
with the three of them. Very few people
986
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,079
have, [music] I think. And to be making
987
00:40:56,319 --> 00:41:02,079
the records with it, it was just
988
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:05,480
astonishing. It's [music] real.
989
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:05,480
It's real.
990
00:41:07,413 --> 00:41:09,433
[music]
991
00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:19,680
Brought back a lot of good memories and
992
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:22,400
it also gave me a chance to hang out
993
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,599
with Paul and George again. We hadn't
994
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,520
done that in a while.
995
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:26,880
>> We work well together. That's the truth
996
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,440
of it, you know. We just work well
997
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,960
together and that's a very special
998
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,440
thing. When [music] you find someone you
999
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:36,079
can talk to, it's a special thing. You
1000
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:38,319
find someone you can play music with.
1001
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:41,920
It's really it's something. I think we
1002
00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:45,119
just, you know, we've had so much um the
1003
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:47,119
same background, you know, our musical
1004
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:49,839
background and where we came from and
1005
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:51,119
what we listen to, you know, in common.
1006
00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:53,760
And then all those years [music] we
1007
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:56,800
played together, you know, it's somehow
1008
00:41:53,760 --> 00:42:02,079
it's it's it's made a very deep groove
1009
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:05,054
in our memories and it doesn't take much
1010
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:07,074
to lock in.
1011
00:42:05,054 --> 00:42:07,074
[music]
1012
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:18,400
It's real love. [music]
1013
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:23,839
It's real.
1014
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:29,359
It's real love. It's [music] real.
1015
00:42:23,839 --> 00:42:34,800
It's real love. It's real.
1016
00:42:29,359 --> 00:42:37,599
It's real love. It's real.
1017
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:40,839
It's real.
1018
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:40,839
It's real.
1019
00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:53,599
I think it was yeah the early '7s 71
1020
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:57,680
7071
1021
00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:59,359
uh I collected uh
1022
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:02,480
all the footage that I could find from
1023
00:42:59,359 --> 00:43:04,720
around the world and uh we put uh a
1024
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,839
documentary together or a film together
1025
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:08,960
that was uh without the Beatles being
1026
00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:11,119
interviewed or anything like that. And
1027
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,760
it was just put all the film together.
1028
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:16,720
It was about an hour and 3/4 long,
1029
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,000
right? And uh then I put it on the shelf
1030
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:19,839
for 20 years.
1031
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:23,280
>> And it was an extremely interesting
1032
00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:26,000
story, but of course it was then done
1033
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,520
uh as uh [sighs] well it was very very
1034
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,800
close to the breakup. So it wasn't done
1035
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,880
with that long perspective.
1036
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:34,000
>> It was on the shelf, right? I knew it
1037
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,760
was there, but I didn't really uh really
1038
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,480
think about it. It was a it was a
1039
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:40,800
question of getting like a lot of other
1040
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:43,760
you know business things together. So
1041
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:49,280
and and getting control if we could of
1042
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:53,359
uh various elements of uh
1043
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:56,480
beetle business if you like. And um when
1044
00:43:53,359 --> 00:43:59,200
we were in that position
1045
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:02,800
it was uh it was easier to do you know
1046
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:05,680
it it was really easier to do than um
1047
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,520
than not. I really thought the anthology
1048
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,359
would happen when Neil said it's going
1049
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,920
to be there's going to be an anthology.
1050
00:44:09,359 --> 00:44:14,160
We're going to do the whole story
1051
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,880
and the fellows have agreed and then I
1052
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:19,040
knew it would be on and I was very
1053
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,520
interested in in a detached sort of way,
1054
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:25,040
>> you know. I think uh maybe I mentioned
1055
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:30,079
it to everybody in sort of like 1990 or
1056
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:32,560
91 or something like that, you know. Um
1057
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:34,880
and then we started doing it, you I got
1058
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:37,680
uh the production team together, the
1059
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,040
production office together and uh you
1060
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,200
know we started doing it.
1061
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:44,720
>> Well, I'd worked with the three of them
1062
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:48,160
before, but I was doing uh directing um
1063
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:49,920
McCartney's ortorio for Liverpool and he
1064
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:53,680
phoned me up and said that he'd had a
1065
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:55,119
chat with no mate of mine. And I
1066
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,720
thought, my god, who can that be? And I
1067
00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:59,119
said, well, who do you mean? He said, uh
1068
00:44:56,720 --> 00:45:00,160
George Harrison. I said, oh yeah. He
1069
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:02,480
said, I didn't know you'd work with
1070
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,599
George. So I said, "Well, yeah." He
1071
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:07,680
said, "But then again, he didn't know
1072
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:10,000
you'd work with me." I was on my way to
1073
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:13,119
the Montre Jazz Festival. I'd arranged
1074
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,880
to go and work on that. And Jeff rang me
1075
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:18,800
out of the blue and told me about it cuz
1076
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:21,119
he initiate got in touch. And he said,
1077
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:23,359
"Well, you got to make your mind up. Are
1078
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:25,839
you coming or not?"
1079
00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:28,319
>> So the rest is history. Jeff and I
1080
00:45:25,839 --> 00:45:34,160
arrived down here to an empty empty
1081
00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:36,079
rooms. I was working at uh EMI, PMI,
1082
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,599
making television programs. Jeff was a
1083
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:41,040
director who'd worked there. We'd both
1084
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:43,920
worked with Paul on the uh ortorio and
1085
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:47,920
different things. And he'd been asked to
1086
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:50,560
do this and was doing it and nobody had
1087
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:52,079
asked me. And I said to him, why haven't
1088
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:55,200
you asked me? I'd love to do this. And
1089
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:57,280
he said, well, I didn't even think that
1090
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,800
you'd want to do it because you have a
1091
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:03,200
proper job.
1092
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:06,480
full-time job and Jeff
1093
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:08,160
uh was seemed very happy. Spoke to Neil
1094
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:11,119
Aspenol,
1095
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:13,359
spoke to Paul and
1096
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:13,839
went and sort talked to Neil and got the
1097
00:46:13,359 --> 00:46:15,280
job.
1098
00:46:13,839 --> 00:46:17,040
>> Well, actually I was on holiday when
1099
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,119
when the rest of the guys started,
1100
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,440
right? And I thought bad timing. I
1101
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:23,839
expected to sort of come back and find
1102
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,119
out that they decided that I was surplus
1103
00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:26,240
to requirements and didn't need me
1104
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:27,760
anymore. So when I got back from
1105
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:29,200
holiday, I phoned up Apple and I said,
1106
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,800
"I'm Bob Smith and I'm going to be
1107
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,880
working on this job." Said, "Yeah, come
1108
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,680
down whenever you're ready."
1109
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,119
>> And we came in and um said, "Now we now
1110
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,200
we're going to make a program, which we
1111
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:40,240
hadn't really thought about too much."
1112
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,599
>> It's the same track again.
1113
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:42,560
>> Yeah, it's the same track again for the
1114
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:43,760
third time.
1115
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:47,040
>> A lot more music.
1116
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,480
>> No, because that was meant to be one.
1117
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,760
>> As well as the the work that's been done
1118
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,599
by the guys upstairs, there's obviously
1119
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,480
been a phenomenal amount of work done by
1120
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:56,880
a very small team. I mean basically the
1121
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:59,680
whole production of this has been done
1122
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:03,040
by 10 people including research and
1123
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:05,920
everything. Um I think we've used
1124
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:08,560
somewhere between 9 and 10,000 different
1125
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,319
pieces of footage and music and all
1126
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,720
that's had to be cleared. All that's had
1127
00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:14,160
to be logged. It's been a phenomenal job
1128
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:16,800
done by people here.
1129
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:19,599
>> I'm as kind of useful to have around if
1130
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:21,359
the Beatles are being discussed uh in a
1131
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:24,160
variety of ways. I mean there are ways
1132
00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:27,119
in which I'm no use at all. I'm no use
1133
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:29,760
on some minutia and detail.
1134
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:31,599
I'm not good on things like clearances
1135
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:35,920
and all the mechanics of making a
1136
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:40,079
documentary. But on perspectives and uh
1137
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:43,119
some insights I can be handy to turn to
1138
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:46,480
and I'm extremely generous with my time
1139
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:49,760
and uh views and I get along with them
1140
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:52,079
and with Neil. I realized that uh the
1141
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:57,200
one thing that we had that nobody else
1142
00:47:52,079 --> 00:48:00,960
had, no third party had, right? Uh
1143
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:03,680
was the surviving Beatles, the the three
1144
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:07,280
of them and all John's interviews with
1145
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:09,520
Yoko's consent, right? Um, and so once I
1146
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,359
started putting it together, what what I
1147
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:14,240
decided right from the very beginning,
1148
00:48:11,359 --> 00:48:16,960
right, not just now, but 20 years ago
1149
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:19,280
when I did the original one was not have
1150
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,880
some like mid-Atlantic voice
1151
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,440
commentator,
1152
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,680
right? Uh,
1153
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,680
telling the Beatles story, right? It was
1154
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,440
better for them to tell their own story.
1155
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:32,079
For them to tell their own story, they
1156
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,599
had to be interviewed. So basically
1157
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:35,440
three months of looking at stuff before
1158
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:37,839
we and listening to stuff before we put
1159
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,440
anything together and then of course
1160
00:48:37,839 --> 00:48:41,119
they're not the easiest people to get a
1161
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,880
hold of.
1162
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:44,400
So I think that was another about 3
1163
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,839
months
1164
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,599
trying to get a hold of them to do an
1165
00:48:45,839 --> 00:48:48,720
interview really. the interviewer. That
1166
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:50,960
was the other thing to get an
1167
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:53,359
interviewer that wasn't an indepth
1168
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,880
interviewer, you know, a David Frost
1169
00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:57,359
type interviewer, you know, that would
1170
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:59,119
go into and put everybody on their guard
1171
00:48:57,359 --> 00:49:01,839
about, you know, what you're going to
1172
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:03,440
say. But, uh, really to use another
1173
00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:04,240
musician, that's how Jules Holland
1174
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,440
became involved.
1175
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:10,319
>> I think that my real job was to
1176
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,760
interview them and to ask them about the
1177
00:49:10,319 --> 00:49:13,280
about their history starting at the
1178
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,640
beginning from when they were small
1179
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,520
going right up to the end of it. And
1180
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,960
some of it is quite um there, you know,
1181
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,559
some of it is quite hard to talk about
1182
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,480
the later parts, you know, it's quite
1183
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:25,680
there's unhappy moments as laughter and
1184
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:28,720
tears of course. And I think because um
1185
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:30,720
I'm a pianist than a musician more more
1186
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:32,160
than a sort of a hard-nosed interviewer,
1187
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:35,440
I think because of that they found it
1188
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:38,160
easier to relax. And so jewels tended to
1189
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:41,119
ask like
1190
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:43,599
questions that uh
1191
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:45,680
like say a trained interviewer or or
1192
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:48,960
whatever wouldn't ask you know and with
1193
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:51,680
the Elvis episode he asked if Priscilla
1194
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,839
was there which is fine but I don't
1195
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:56,559
think a regular you know interviewer
1196
00:49:53,839 --> 00:49:58,319
would have asked what was she wearing
1197
00:49:56,559 --> 00:50:00,000
you know it's not sort of like an
1198
00:49:58,319 --> 00:50:01,920
indepth question is it
1199
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,559
>> remember how Priscilla was dressed
1200
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,920
>> I think she had a long thing on and a
1201
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:07,920
tiara.
1202
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:10,559
>> I've got this picture of her like as a
1203
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:12,240
sort of Barbie doll with like gingham
1204
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:15,040
kind of purple gingham and a bow, a
1205
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:17,599
gingham bow in her very beehive hair.
1206
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,640
>> Do you remember uh seeing uh Mrs.
1207
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:20,559
Presley?
1208
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,559
>> No, I don't.
1209
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:24,160
>> Well, could be. I don't remember. I
1210
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:26,160
spent most of the party trying to sus
1211
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,079
out from his gang if anybody had any
1212
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:30,240
refer. [laughter]
1213
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:31,839
>> What it would be was we would would want
1214
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:34,640
to know what each program was going to
1215
00:50:31,839 --> 00:50:36,720
be, right? So I would like write the
1216
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:39,200
main areas, see right, we've got to hit
1217
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:41,920
this base, this base, this base, etc.
1218
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:44,160
And then once we knew what we wanted to
1219
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,160
get in there was a case of making sure
1220
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,920
that we got the information from the
1221
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,520
from the Beatles in order to make the
1222
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:52,240
programs. By the time they got to the
1223
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:54,240
the third interview, you it it in a
1224
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:57,119
sense for me it's noticeable because
1225
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:58,960
you'll find that uh if you ask one of
1226
00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:00,800
them a question, whichever one it is, if
1227
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,640
they don't know the answer, they'll say,
1228
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,400
"Oh, well, maybe Paul knows the answer
1229
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,839
or maybe Ringo knows the answer or maybe
1230
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,079
George knows the answer." So then you
1231
00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:09,680
can cut to the other individual who
1232
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:11,359
doesn't know the answer anyway, right?
1233
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:14,000
And so he'll say, "Maybe somebody else
1234
00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:16,400
knows the answer." Uh and that came from
1235
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,079
watching what they' done in their first
1236
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,760
interviews, right? and see and if you
1237
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:21,680
don't know the answer pass it over to
1238
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:24,000
the next guy and then you've got quite a
1239
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:26,640
nice little cut and stuff you know so we
1240
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,640
they gradually gone into it as a like
1241
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,720
making this this thing you know we were
1242
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,480
aware all the time that you know John
1243
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:35,040
wasn't with us to go to him and get a
1244
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:37,119
quote from him but the researchers done
1245
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:39,520
such a thorough job that there was like
1246
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:41,119
sometimes you'd need a quote from John
1247
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,960
and you'd have the option of six or
1248
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:45,040
seven quotes and because he was so
1249
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:47,440
succinct in everything that he said and
1250
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:49,359
John in all his interviews talk so well
1251
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,079
in if you ask him a question, he gives
1252
00:51:49,359 --> 00:51:52,319
you the answer.
1253
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:53,920
>> We looked through hours and hours of
1254
00:51:52,319 --> 00:51:58,400
footage of everything that we have on
1255
00:51:53,920 --> 00:52:00,079
John and just really sort of used he's
1256
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,800
represented mainly in sort of slow
1257
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:05,520
motion shots cuz obviously he can't be
1258
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:07,280
talking or saying the thing. uh wherever
1259
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,359
he's appeared in archives saying
1260
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,680
anything we've tried to use.
1261
00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:16,160
>> We've used all that stuff, you know, and
1262
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:17,760
uh tried to give them all equal billing,
1263
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:21,520
you know, they've all seen it. They've
1264
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:23,760
all uh had, you know, an approval
1265
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:26,319
process so they all agree with with
1266
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:28,640
what's in it and whatever. If uh there's
1267
00:52:26,319 --> 00:52:30,480
something that somebody particularly,
1268
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:33,119
you know, wants to change or doesn't
1269
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,960
like about themselves, right, then we
1270
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:37,280
would change it. They left us alone
1271
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:39,520
basically for certainly for three years
1272
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,119
in the main. There weren't major things
1273
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,960
to change.
1274
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:44,960
>> There's a pause notes for program one
1275
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:48,079
changes. There's not very many as you
1276
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:50,236
can see. We're doing a good job here.
1277
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:51,280
>> Suck the crew. That's one person.
1278
00:52:50,236 --> 00:52:53,440
[laughter]
1279
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:56,480
>> They came in occasionally. Uh they came
1280
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:59,040
in the three of them together which was
1281
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:01,119
fantastic, you know, to to have them in
1282
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:05,440
here to look at to look at various parts
1283
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:09,920
of it. But uh no that they have been
1284
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:12,720
in many ways a joy to work with and
1285
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:14,640
they're still the Beatles but they've
1286
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:17,119
I've had more problem problems on a new
1287
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,880
band making a five grand pop video.
1288
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:22,720
They've all been, I think, completely
1289
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:24,319
honest and quite uh very frank to the
1290
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:26,960
point where some of the things they say
1291
00:53:24,319 --> 00:53:30,400
aren't they don't you know if you were
1292
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:32,079
doing an a safe interview about yourself
1293
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,559
uh because after all they're making the
1294
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:36,400
film uh that you might not say but I
1295
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:40,000
think that they feel that they the story
1296
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:41,760
should be told pretty much as it is uh
1297
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,680
and that the truth should be known as
1298
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:46,640
much as it can be even if some of it is
1299
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:49,440
a bit sort of painful. So they talk um
1300
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:51,680
and I think that's what I was I was
1301
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,599
pleased that it wasn't just a sort of a
1302
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,000
um showbiz cover up or something like
1303
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:55,839
that.
1304
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:59,520
>> Position that was taken by Apple and
1305
00:53:55,839 --> 00:54:02,880
certainly by us during uh the making of
1306
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:04,720
it has been this may never be released.
1307
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,480
We don't know. That's why we can't talk
1308
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:08,880
about it. So for a while there was very
1309
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,400
much a sense of that. I can't think of
1310
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,079
any particular moment where you really
1311
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,839
felt it's never going to be released. It
1312
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:17,839
was it never got that heavy or that
1313
00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:21,920
unpleasant, but you
1314
00:54:17,839 --> 00:54:23,920
always I mean got the sense from the
1315
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:26,480
phone calls you were getting, the
1316
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:29,920
broadcasters that were phoning up,
1317
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:31,599
people asking questions about it, you
1318
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,520
got some sort of sense of what it was
1319
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:35,599
going to be like when it was finished.
1320
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,359
Now you've got to start making decisions
1321
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:39,599
about what to leave out, what to leave
1322
00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:42,079
in. You've also got a deadline. and it's
1323
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:45,280
got to be finished by hit by this time.
1324
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:47,359
Getting um you know the music together
1325
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,440
for a film, getting the rights together,
1326
00:54:47,359 --> 00:54:51,839
getting the you know whatever those
1327
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:54,400
rights are, master use licenses,
1328
00:54:51,839 --> 00:54:56,800
publishing licenses, you know, uh
1329
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,880
permissions for for somebody's name and
1330
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,720
likeness that you've used in there. If
1331
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:03,040
they won't give it to you, for example,
1332
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:05,920
or you can't get a particular song, then
1333
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:07,599
you've got to change that bit of the the
1334
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,920
thing. So, it's it's the it's the
1335
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:12,000
finishing process that under pressure
1336
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:16,079
because you've got a deadline that for
1337
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:18,720
me is the is always like the
1338
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:21,280
uh what's the word for it? It's a it's
1339
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:22,400
it's the most traumatic time if you
1340
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like, you know.
1341
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,720
>> Now, what is interesting about this
1342
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:29,040
anthology now is that they've had a long
1343
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:32,800
time to think about it to get used to
1344
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:34,559
not minding being beatles that they had
1345
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:37,920
been Beatles. It's no longer an
1346
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:40,559
embarrassment to them and it's time to,
1347
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:43,559
as the cliche goes, reclaim their own
1348
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:43,559
history.
1349
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,920
>> Roll
1350
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,040
action.
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00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,680
>> Originally, we were going to have a bird
1352
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:01,280
in the U piece, and you just follow the
1353
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,640
bird as it flies through history. It's
1354
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,680
like a magic bird that flies through.
1355
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,799
It's not magic in the sense that it
1356
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,079
glows or anything like that. It's just
1357
00:56:04,799 --> 00:56:09,200
the bird that takes you through the
1358
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:10,799
history of uh of the songs where they
1359
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,920
came from visiting the places that
1360
00:56:10,799 --> 00:56:14,960
inspired the pieces.
1361
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:17,119
>> The bird uh flies through the Beatles
1362
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:21,400
lyrics, you know, flies through Penny
1363
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:21,400
Lane and Helter Skelter.
1364
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:26,079
>> And then Neil said not to use a bird
1365
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,599
because at a previous time they had
1366
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:28,720
talked about that and no one could agree
1367
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:30,400
on what kind of bird it should be.
1368
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:33,119
>> You never see the bird. The camera is
1369
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:35,280
the bird.
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00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:38,000
the sound of the wings. We did that so
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00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:39,520
that the rest of the piece would uh make
1372
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,960
sense. That's why you have the loud
1373
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,960
flapping and everything at the beginning
1374
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,240
so that later on you know what it is
1375
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,079
that's taking you through these places,
1376
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:49,079
not just the camera that's literally a
1377
00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:49,079
bird.
1378
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:58,240
We went back and forth uh between all
1379
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:00,960
the guys. We had to send our notes back
1380
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:03,599
to all the surviving Beatles and Yoko
1381
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:05,680
for their approval of the ideas.
1382
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:08,240
And then uh Derek Taylor was incredibly
1383
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:10,880
helpful when we presented the a sketch
1384
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:13,040
of the idea. He sent us a two-page note
1385
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:16,240
back which was a beautiful piece of
1386
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:18,559
poetry which not only reaffirmed the the
1387
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:20,400
uh the potential of the idea but also
1388
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:22,719
gave us a lot of attitude toward the way
1389
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,739
the material should be approached.
1390
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:24,739
[music]
1391
00:57:30,579 --> 00:57:32,599
>> [music]
1392
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:39,720
>> to [singing and music] me.
1393
00:57:42,369 --> 00:57:44,389
[music]
1394
00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:52,000
We tried to shoot in all the uh [music]
1395
00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:53,520
authentic locations where things
1396
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,960
happened. We shot Penny Lane and Penny
1397
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:57,280
Lane and we had the art department
1398
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,960
rebuild it as close to what it was as
1399
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,799
possible. Of course, we shot the live
1400
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,880
birds, helicopter shot the Lirds in
1401
00:58:00,799 --> 00:58:04,240
Liverpool. We shot near the docks for
1402
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:08,520
the docks in Liverpool, which was a
1403
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:08,520
reference to [music] John's father.
1404
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:19,400
>> I am the puppy girl from Penny Lane.
1405
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:26,960
that [music] we once knew.
1406
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:28,799
Can we really live without each other?
1407
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,960
>> We had a huge casting sessions. We had
1408
00:58:28,799 --> 00:58:32,079
hundreds and hundreds of people on tape
1409
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,880
>> and went through the tapes both in
1410
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:37,200
London and in uh Liverpool and and in
1411
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,880
Manchester
1412
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,400
>> and almost all the people were local
1413
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:43,680
people. I think maybe a [music] few
1414
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:46,480
actors from London. um paperback writer
1415
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:48,079
I think was an actor from London and uh
1416
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,720
but most of them were [music] basically
1417
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:51,200
local people who participated in the
1418
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,040
piece.
1419
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,440
>> Got it. Okay. Can you do that?
1420
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,520
>> Yeah.
1421
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,520
>> All right.
1422
00:59:00,970 --> 00:59:02,990
[music]
1423
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,540
>> [music]
1424
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:21,680
>> going to do like [music] a banquet of
1425
00:59:17,359 --> 00:59:23,520
piggies based on the uh uh
1426
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,040
Sergeant Pepper cover with all these
1427
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,960
celebrities, all these different people
1428
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,920
having dinner. We weren't quite sure how
1429
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,359
we're going to do it. It was probably
1430
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:32,000
going to have to be done digitally after
1431
00:59:29,359 --> 00:59:34,640
the fact, after the production phase.
1432
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,760
and the art director had gone to a prop
1433
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:38,400
house and found these fabulous little
1434
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,760
piggy masks. And instead of doing this
1435
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,839
really complicated and probably
1436
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:44,079
ponderous scene with all these people at
1437
00:59:41,839 --> 00:59:46,720
a banquet, we just had these little
1438
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:48,319
children with these very unusual masks
1439
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:50,160
skipping down a little lane in
1440
00:59:48,319 --> 00:59:52,160
Liverpool, which is far more [music]
1441
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,839
powerful and much more in keeping with
1442
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:57,640
the kind of spirit of what the Beatles
1443
00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:57,640
were at that period of time.
1444
01:00:05,161 --> 01:00:07,181
>> [music]
1445
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:12,559
>> We storyboarded all the ideas with kinds
1446
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:14,000
of points of view about the material,
1447
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:16,160
but we ignored the storyboards
1448
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:18,720
completely once we got to see everything
1449
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:21,359
in practicality. Uh there's nothing
1450
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:23,040
storyboarded about the idea at all. U
1451
01:00:21,359 --> 01:00:24,559
you couldn't storyboard the way the
1452
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,400
camera flowed because the difference in
1453
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:28,559
perspective of the shots and things. And
1454
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:31,200
one shot in particular was storyboarded.
1455
01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:32,960
The the lotus crashing
1456
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,480
was storyboarded from above. So the bird
1457
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,920
sees from above and you go above it. We
1458
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:38,240
shot it like that for hours and hours
1459
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:39,760
and hours. And then at the last minute I
1460
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:42,000
had the steady cam operator do two or
1461
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:44,480
three takes coming from a more normal
1462
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:47,520
perspective. And in the flow of the
1463
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:49,440
piece that became the u key way we
1464
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:53,119
showed it was much more interesting that
1465
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:55,440
way. um much more interesting. the flow,
1466
01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:57,119
the this the shot from above looked nice
1467
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,119
in a storyboard. It was kind of clever
1468
01:00:57,119 --> 01:01:00,480
and from a bird's point of view, but it
1469
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:02,319
was better to bring the bird down to a
1470
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:07,079
human point of view to see the emotion
1471
01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:07,079
in the car and the smoke in the people.
1472
01:01:09,352 --> 01:01:11,372
[music]
1473
01:01:16,557 --> 01:01:18,577
>> [music]
1474
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:30,079
>> The video's
1475
01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:33,280
uh made up of uh referenced archival
1476
01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:37,599
footage. It's footage that existed
1477
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:40,000
and uh footage that we filmed
1478
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:42,960
live and then bits and pieces were put
1479
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:45,359
in um at various places which were shot
1480
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:48,559
on a green screen stage which is a way
1481
01:01:45,359 --> 01:01:50,160
to just marry film. Every almost
1482
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:54,000
everybody knows what that means now
1483
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:55,599
which marries u the live background and
1484
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,920
putting elements into a live background
1485
01:01:55,599 --> 01:02:00,480
to enhance it. A couple of shots would
1486
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:04,427
be the dog running across the front of
1487
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:04,427
uh the Ellener Riby Cemetery. [music]
1488
01:02:05,359 --> 01:02:13,480
>> Always made me feel
1489
01:02:09,359 --> 01:02:13,480
so free.
1490
01:02:14,852 --> 01:02:16,872
[music]
1491
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,440
>> The elephant was put in in [music]
1492
01:02:20,319 --> 01:02:23,119
post-prouction. We didn't have an
1493
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:26,440
elephant Liverpool walking through that
1494
01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:26,440
hotel room.
1495
01:02:30,573 --> 01:02:33,599
>> [music]
1496
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,240
>> We had to shoot the elephant because
1497
01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:38,240
when the Ringo saw rough cut, he wanted
1498
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:41,599
his elephant.
1499
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:44,880
And uh and u we hadn't shot the elephant
1500
01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:46,640
as part of the piece.
1501
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,799
And Neil called and said Ringo wants an
1502
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:50,720
elephant in the piece. He says he likes
1503
01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:53,359
everything, but he misses his elephant.
1504
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:56,319
Uh, George wanted a satar
1505
01:02:53,359 --> 01:02:59,359
and uh, Ringo wanted an elephant
1506
01:02:56,319 --> 01:03:02,400
and uh, so we got an elephant and shot
1507
01:02:59,359 --> 01:03:06,598
on a green screen and snuck it in that
1508
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:09,960
procession in the uh, in that ballroom.
1509
01:03:06,598 --> 01:03:09,960
[music] as
1510
01:03:13,148 --> 01:03:15,168
[music]
1511
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:21,920
the big star of the piece is a Russian
1512
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:24,880
crane called the Achila crane which
1513
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:26,559
gives these big sweeping moves and the
1514
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,920
shot at Abby road at the end it comes
1515
01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:30,880
down and sweeps up again couldn't be
1516
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,880
done with a luma crane
1517
01:03:32,798 --> 01:03:34,818
>> [music]
1518
01:03:41,314 --> 01:03:43,334
[music]
1519
01:03:47,839 --> 01:03:52,240
>> That was the star of the piece. Uh then
1520
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:55,440
we used the lumac crane for [music] more
1521
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:57,599
uh precise shots, uh smaller shots and a
1522
01:03:55,440 --> 01:04:00,799
steady cam operator.
1523
01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:03,280
And uh we also had a little tiny remotec
1524
01:04:00,799 --> 01:04:05,440
controlled helicopter, tiny helicopter
1525
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:08,839
with a video camera on it to do
1526
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,839
intricate shots.
1527
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:14,640
[music]
1528
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,160
The thing that I'm most happy with is
1529
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:19,839
the fact that the seamlessness [music]
1530
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:21,440
of the piece uh works. The transition
1531
01:04:19,839 --> 01:04:23,119
between scenes doesn't look like oh all
1532
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,319
of a sudden there's a transition. Many
1533
01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:26,400
of them are completely [music] invisible
1534
01:04:24,319 --> 01:04:28,160
to even people in the industry. So that
1535
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,140
that the seamlessness of everything
1536
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,680
marrying all these bits and pieces
1537
01:04:29,140 --> 01:04:33,520
[music] of things archival footage new
1538
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:36,400
new footage shot on green screen plus
1539
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:40,319
the the uh production footage which was
1540
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:40,319
live made me very happy. [music]
1541
01:04:46,799 --> 01:04:50,839
>> So free
1542
01:04:52,054 --> 01:04:54,074
[music]
1543
01:04:57,949 --> 01:04:59,969
>> [music]
1544
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:08,160
>> We're given this piece that represents
1545
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:09,520
something that's incredibly precious to
1546
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:12,799
untold numbers of people around the
1547
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:14,640
world and we had to protect it in
1548
01:05:12,799 --> 01:05:17,599
addition to do something that inspired
1549
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:18,799
people. So we there was a duality there.
1550
01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:21,200
One, we want to do something very
1551
01:05:18,799 --> 01:05:24,960
creative and functional
1552
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:27,599
and do the job as a professional piece.
1553
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:30,000
On the other hand, we had to respect
1554
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:32,240
everything that had gone before. I felt
1555
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:36,319
that we succeeded in respecting the
1556
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:38,240
tradition and and bringing it forward
1557
01:05:36,319 --> 01:05:40,720
and and inspiring it and looking at it a
1558
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:43,200
fresh and unusual way, which even
1559
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:44,559
reflects how the song was created. One
1560
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:48,000
of the things that's a bit heartbreaking
1561
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:50,319
is that the uh the player at the end,
1562
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:52,000
the ukulele player
1563
01:05:50,319 --> 01:05:53,760
or banjo, whatever you want to call it,
1564
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,520
George wanted to play that part and I
1565
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,799
resisted saying that if I put him in,
1566
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,400
then I'd put some of the other Beatles
1567
01:05:56,799 --> 01:06:00,559
in. And I didn't think we wanted to see
1568
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:02,079
a contemporary Beatles in the piece. So
1569
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:04,240
I said, "No, no, no." And he says,
1570
01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:05,760
"Okay."
1571
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:07,520
thinking that they had sampled an
1572
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,039
archival piece of music. And it turns
1573
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:11,520
out that George had actually performed
1574
01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:14,000
that on the
1575
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:15,039
uh song. Had I known that, I would have
1576
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,880
had him do it because you only see him
1577
01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:18,079
from the back anyway. But I'm heart
1578
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,000
actually heartbroken about not letting
1579
01:06:18,079 --> 01:06:23,240
him do that piece, especially now more
1580
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,240
than ever.
1581
01:06:25,065 --> 01:06:27,085
[music]
1582
01:06:30,306 --> 01:06:32,326
>> [music]
1583
01:06:36,201 --> 01:06:41,559
[music]
1584
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:41,559
>> Good job, buddy.
1585
01:06:45,371 --> 01:06:47,391
[applause]
1586
01:07:03,359 --> 01:07:06,559
The anthology, what we call the
1587
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,079
anthology, was originally called the
1588
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:10,400
long and winding road. You know, it was
1589
01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:12,799
the idea was for the boys to make their
1590
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:15,359
own life story rather than entrust it to
1591
01:07:12,799 --> 01:07:17,760
somebody else. And that made sense
1592
01:07:15,359 --> 01:07:20,799
because they knew better than anybody
1593
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:22,640
what had been going on. Um, and somebody
1594
01:07:20,799 --> 01:07:25,760
thought it'd be a good idea to have
1595
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:28,160
audio equivalent, but it's no good just
1596
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:29,680
doing a soundtrack of of a film because
1597
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:32,000
if you do that, there's an awful lot of
1598
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:34,240
missing. You know, the vision takes
1599
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:37,440
over. So, what we're providing is
1600
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:39,039
something that is a complement to it.
1601
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:42,400
That's something that runs parallel, but
1602
01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:45,599
is pure sound. The main gist of it is
1603
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:48,880
with the music to find the most ancient
1604
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:51,440
Beatle music possible
1605
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and come in chronological order through
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the various other uh records we'd made
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and um bring it up to date up to now.
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What we do is we lead the CD with the
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new song Free as a Bird, which we figure
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is what people have waiting to hear. You
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know how we did on that. So that's the
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opening track. Um, and then what we do
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is flash back
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>> also as the documentary uh starts and
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then goes backwards. You know, there's a
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little area in the very opening where he
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says, "Let's go back, back, back, back,
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back." And it backs up until Ringo is
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about 6 months old.
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And then
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the record we thought, you know, could
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work in that respect. There's a lot of
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stuff, you know, from old tape recorders
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of George, uh, you know, George on some,
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but Paul and John messing around, you
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know, singing and playing guitars, uh,
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before I was in the band.
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>> And then we go into old recordings,
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which are from when we were about 14 or
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15, which we haven't heard forever, you
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01:08:56,799 --> 01:09:02,000
know, they've they're like, uh, little
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things in my front room. And these are
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interesting because
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they include a track where Stuart
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Suckliffe is playing
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and um it its bass guitar is not very
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good but it's it's it's historic.
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>> You know, we're talking really about a
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historical thing now. And I for one
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01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:24,880
don't mind it being old and scratchy
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because most of the music I buy is old
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and scratchy. you know, you know, music
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that was recorded in the very early, you
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know, 20s and 30s and stuff. I like a
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01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:36,880
bit of tape his personally,
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>> but it's good story. It's not the
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01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:40,080
quality you're listening to. It's the
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sort of story and you can see our
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development. You can see it happening.
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>> And we hear some of the stuff at EMI on
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when I first met them in 1962.
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Uh there are a couple of tracks there,
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01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:54,000
the very early version of Love Me Do,
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01:09:51,759 --> 01:09:56,880
which with the Pete Best on drums, which
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01:09:54,000 --> 01:10:00,159
no one's heard. Now, no tapes exist of
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01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:02,000
that, but he managed to find it on a
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01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:05,440
little acetate because they'd cut it
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onto disc. He found that and then that's
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been recopied back onto tape.
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>> When I was asked to do this proh
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project, I said there's no way that I'm
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01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:17,520
going to mix this on a on a modern
1663
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:20,159
digital machine because it wouldn't be
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01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:22,000
true to type. It wouldn't be what people
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did in those days. And I'm I'm dealing
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01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:26,880
with these old tapes. So I asked EMI if
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they could find an old desk and bring it
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in for me. And so they they managed to
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find this one uh which was still in the
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possession of one of their engineers and
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they brought it in and it's a super
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01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:40,880
desk, marvelous machine to have. This
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was in number two studio Abby road and
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it was the state-of-the-art in those
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days but it it now it's so looks so
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01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:51,040
old-fashioned but of course it does it's
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very appropriate that we work on this
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01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:55,040
because it actually does make a
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01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:57,120
different sound from today's discs. So
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01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:59,440
we're getting right back retro to the
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old days and doing this stuff and it
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sounds all the better for it and I'm
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staying in the analog and the
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01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:07,760
oldfashioned mode until the very last
1685
01:11:05,199 --> 01:11:11,360
moment until it goes onto CD. so that we
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keep the authenticity of it. Um, a lot
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of these tapes we're working on are two
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track, four track, eight track, never
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more than eight track. And we still have
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the old tapes. And this is an old box
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and they're 1 in tapes. And there's a
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four track machine. It's a modern
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01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:31,520
machine, but it is still the old vintage
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tapes of 32 years ago.
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>> It's like uh the Beatles progression.
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And I'm halfway through that CD before I
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enter the picture.
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>> Oh, it just keeps on coming. There's a
1699
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:46,000
lot of very early years, but stuff that
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01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:48,400
hasn't been heard. Television or radio
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01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:50,320
shows from Sweden and various things
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01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:52,400
from the command performance, things
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01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:54,800
that just had a one showing on
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01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:57,520
television, but we managed to get the
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01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:59,440
find the soundtracks to some variety
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01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,400
shows we did on television in those
1707
01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:02,159
early days.
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01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,920
>> There isn't a lot of live stuff out on
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the Beatles, and I haven't even got it.
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01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:08,400
So it was was a pleasure for me to hear,
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01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:09,840
you know, cuz they were a great little
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01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:12,080
band.
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01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:14,880
>> We've been listening to every take of
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every song we've done and going back
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01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:18,400
over those times and we've discovered
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01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:21,760
some interesting stuff. I mean, some of
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01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:23,760
the very early takes of most numbers are
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01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:26,960
interesting seeing how the songs
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01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:29,040
developed, how they changed. In fact, in
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some instances, they started quite
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differently to the masters that we
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01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:35,600
everybody knows. Then we get into sort
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of crossfading like you know take one to
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take four. So and some on some of them
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where you know we were just working the
1726
01:12:42,239 --> 01:12:45,520
song out you know still running through
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it because we always ran through the
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song. We very seldom stay you know sat
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around like when the tape was running
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said oh let's do this now like run it
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down. And so the the attitude it was
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like at the beginning to seven takes
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later it's just like a mile you know
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it's not like oh we've changed you know
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a note I mean we changed the whole thing
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working on it working on it changing it
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changing it
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>> one of the strengths of the Beatles was
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the fact that they had eternal curiosity
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they had eternal quest for something new
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exhaustively so for me I mean they were
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01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:21,840
always saying what new sound can we have
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you know what what other instruments do
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01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,960
you know you know what can you do to
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make this better? Give me a different
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sound of the voice. And they were they
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were not content with what they had
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yesterday.
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>> The one interesting thing was that um we
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always thought that people like the
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Supremes kind of made a good record, but
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then they repeated the good record and
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the next record was sort of the same
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01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:45,840
record. It was the Supreme sound, the
1755
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Mottown sound. So after about three of
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those, we liked the first one really.
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Second one was not so good and it paded
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a bit, you know. Um, so I think we were
1759
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kind of conscious of trying not to
1760
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repeat ourselves
1761
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>> and the songwriting got better and our
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playing got better. So it just all you
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01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:03,040
know it all just grew. The music was
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01:14:01,679 --> 01:14:07,600
always there in the background
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01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:10,159
reflecting our feelings and our desires
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and uh
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and all the various um things we'd
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experienced. And I think it does it goes
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in leaps and bounds and
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01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:24,960
it's pretty interesting. Now, I thought
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we'd have a listen to a bit of an old
1772
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:28,719
recording that we've been working on.
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This doesn't require a great deal of
1774
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balancing. It's a recording made on the
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19th of January, 1967. And the reason it
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doesn't require much balancing is it's
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only got two tracks on it.
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It was a fourtrack tape, but this was
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the very first time we heard a day in
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the life in the studio.
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And we didn't use this. This was the
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first version. The master came a bit
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later. And this is the version without
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Paul's middle bit uh and without the
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orchestra. And John is just singing it
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really for himself. And I think it's
1787
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:07,640
charming. And I'm I'm going to put it
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up. Okay, Paul, let's have a listen.
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>> Sugar bum fairy. Sugar bum fairy.
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[music]
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Sugar plum fairy.
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[music]
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I read [singing] the news today. Oh boy,
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about a lucky man. [singing and music]
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01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:46,360
And [singing] another news was run
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01:15:43,132 --> 01:15:46,360
[music] aside.
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01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:51,702
Well, I just had to laugh.
1798
01:15:49,682 --> 01:15:51,702
[singing and music]
1799
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I saw the photograph.
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[music]
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He blew his mind out in a [singing] car.
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He didn't notice [music] that the lights
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01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:12,719
had changed.
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01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:15,280
A crowd of people [singing and music]
1805
01:16:12,719 --> 01:16:17,920
stood and stared.
1806
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:20,480
I think that early take of John is so
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01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:22,880
charming, so natural. He he wasn't
1808
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:24,159
expecting people 32 years later to be
1809
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,080
listening to it.
1810
01:16:24,159 --> 01:16:28,080
>> Sometimes after 19 takes, you know, no
1811
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:30,080
matter how professional you are, there's
1812
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:32,480
the boredom creeps in. You can just hear
1813
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:33,760
it like it's very goes very perfect,
1814
01:16:32,480 --> 01:16:35,360
>> but you suddenly if you listen to an
1815
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:37,760
early take, you go, "God, sounds like
1816
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:39,600
they were really enjoying it on that."
1817
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,159
And uh that's one of the things I like
1818
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,840
about it.
1819
01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:44,560
>> Now, as it gets into all the other
1820
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stuff, we found different outtakes.
1821
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:50,719
um or maybe a version of something that
1822
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:52,880
had maybe some vocals that were
1823
01:16:50,719 --> 01:16:54,400
different to the vocals that ended up on
1824
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:56,159
the master. So what we've done is
1825
01:16:54,400 --> 01:17:00,480
present the alternate version.
1826
01:16:56,159 --> 01:17:02,000
>> You hear the songs for what they are. I
1827
01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:03,199
know George Martin when we listen to a
1828
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,640
lot of this stuff, he said, "Well, why
1829
01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:06,960
did we ever feel we had to do them
1830
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:08,800
again? This sounds so good just on their
1831
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:10,560
own." I said, "Well, you know, probably
1832
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:12,719
the same old creative thing. Oh, maybe
1833
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:14,080
we could get it a bit better if we put a
1834
01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:16,080
little bit of drums on it or maybe if we
1835
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:18,159
tried banjo, you know, you're always
1836
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:20,480
questioned to try and get better.
1837
01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:22,800
>> Normally, I don't think back on the past
1838
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:24,560
at all, but I've had to because of this.
1839
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,679
And it's been a strange experience. Paul
1840
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:30,480
actually said to me, he said, you know,
1841
01:17:25,679 --> 01:17:34,080
it's a hearing as we were 30 years ago,
1842
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:37,679
25 years ago, and hearing us chatting
1843
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:40,880
away. Um, it's strange experience. It's
1844
01:17:37,679 --> 01:17:44,560
like looking into an old scrapbook, but
1845
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,560
it coming to life most vividly.
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