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they're the world's most infamous serial
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killers it was the largest numbers of
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deaths attributable to a single mass
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murder in American history here it was
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all American boy killed all American
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Girls but what drove them to commit
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their horrific crimes the victims had
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been cut open and their organs had been
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removed was it nature her father was
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reportedly a sex offender he's the most
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deranged fellow I ever met or nurture
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the father stood and broke the mother's
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fingers one by one in front of the
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John Wayne
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gasey a sadistic serial killer that
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fooled even his closest friends and
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neighbors this is a hard driving very
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hard working individual I was astounded
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a pillar of society with a shocking
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secret we took a screwdriver into a
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little crack in the floor and when we
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did the whole floor lifted
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up he would become one of the most
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prolific serial killers in American
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history they asked him well why why did
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you do this stuff I was afraid they
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would exposed me he said they were all
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just human trash anyway but was John
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Wayne gasy a product of his upbringing
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or was he born to kill
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John Wayne gasy was born in Chicago in
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1942 the only son of Marian and John
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Senior John gasy was a son of a
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bluecolor worker a mother who was a
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pharmacist his biological father drank
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alcohol but continued to work he was
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considered a functioning
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alcoholic from what I understand uh he
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was was physically abused by his father
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and his father was often not available
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or was
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intoxicated his father was also known
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for uh abusing gase's mother in fact
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engaging in uh physical fights with her
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uh that gasy must have witnessed now
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clearly those sorts of things have an
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impact on a person's development and the
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way they look at the
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world the young John was close to his
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mother but to his father the overweight
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unathletic boy was a
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disappointment one that he made little
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hide his father would come home he would
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go down into the basement into his
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Workshop not interact with anyone in the
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family but had this special thing about
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his son whom he felt should be
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better uh more like the father become a
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business person become someone who was
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admired in the community gas's father
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regularly called him stupid a mama's boy
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that he was a failure he wouldn't amount
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to anything so again you you think of
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how someone growing up with that kind of
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verbal abuse and emotional abuse would
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adult John entered his teenage years and
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began to complain of body problems
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headaches faintness dizziness which the
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father must have seen as a
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weakening uh that this was not a strong
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person this was not a person who could
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stand up and be tall and be successful
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at school the young gayc continued to
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disappoint he entered serially high
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schools and to great disappointment to
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his father he tended to fail and there
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were reasons for failure perhaps put
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forward I mean he he was ADHD he he had
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concentrating despite his failures John
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gasy Jr was getting a reputation as a
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bragard he tell fanciful stories and
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could confidently talk himself out of
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trouble at 11 years old gasy was struck
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on the head by a swing resulting in a
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series of
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blackouts his father accused him of
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medication for a heart
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ailment gasy was seen as weaker than
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teenagers these conspired but overriding
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most of these excuses for his failure
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was the basic fact that John Wayne gasy
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was very good at producing
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justifications and excuses for why he
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failed age 20 and without qualifications
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own he traveled to Las Vegas where he
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found a job cleaning up in a Mory
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he entered the world on a onetoone basis
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he no longer as it were were living
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living in the shadow of his family and
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particularly his father he kind of felt
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a bit of a
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release working in there and sweeping up
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job but it was a job and he attained on
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his own and it was a job that he managed
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to hold
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down the work was low paid and menial
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proximity with um dead bodies in gas's
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case we know that he acted as uh a
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janitor in a Mory we have a kind of
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familiarization with dead bodies a
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familiarization that would take away the
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taboo of being around a dead body
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John Wayne gas's new life in Las Vegas
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didn't last long after only 3 months he
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used what little money he'd saved to
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Chicago there he enrolled in a business
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college and for the first time gasy
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began to flourish he'd always had the
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gift of the gab and he soon discovered a
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salesmanship casy suddenly realized
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there was something that gave him esteem
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the world where he could as it were
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stand shoulder toos shoulder and even
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him by the age of just 21 gas's business
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talents had won him the position of
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manager at a shoe store he realized that
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his abilities his acting abilities his
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his charm and disarm abilities that most
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kind of inherent Psychopaths seem to
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have this cold indifference actually
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interactions he then found his success
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and he found his Career Success could
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even match the expectations of his
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father in September 1964 gasy met and
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married his co-worker Marlin
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Meyers Marlin's father saw promise in
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his ambitious new son-in-law and
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appointed him the maner manager of his
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three fast food franchises in
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Iowa John and Marlin began a new life in
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watero together they had two
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children gasy was now a family man a
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existence gasy was a role model he was a
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347
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role model of what a businessman should
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349
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be he should be involved in all these
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351
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political organizations all of these
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353
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business
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355
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organizations um he should be the
356
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357
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upstanding citizen in his small town but
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359
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it really had no meaning for him
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361
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otherwise if it had he wouldn't have
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363
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needed to go into the remainder of what
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365
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he did for the rest of his
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367
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life what John Wayne gasy would become
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369
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would shock his Suburban neighbors to
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371
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their core
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after a childhood plagued by illness and
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375
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failure John Wayne gasy now had a wife
376
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377
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two children and was the successful
378
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379
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manager of a chain of fast food
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Outlets the gases appeared the perfect
382
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383
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nuclear
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family but behind the respectable facade
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387
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John Wayne Acy had begun to inhabit a
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389
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world at odds with the straight laced
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391
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image of Midwestern
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393
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Suburbia he got started abusing teenage
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395
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boys sexually and there are a few
396
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397
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chilling incidents where he actually
398
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399
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threatens some of these young men that
400
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401
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we didn't injure or kill anyone as far
402
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403
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as we
405
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know in
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407
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1967 gasy lured 16-year-old John tuler
408
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409
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to his home
410
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411
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they watched pornographic movies drank
412
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413
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and played
414
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415
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pool then without warning gasy forced
416
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417
00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:43,120
teller onto a bed at knife Point
418
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419
00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:46,840
handcuffed him and started to choke
420
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421
00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:50,680
him in the case of John toy he followed
422
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423
00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:54,360
the usual getting them drunk and showing
424
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425
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pornography and then turning suddenly
426
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427
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and using violence or threat and in this
428
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429
00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:02,640
case a knife um to force that person
430
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431
00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:06,400
into handcuffs into a power submissive
432
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433
00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:08,920
role and then to actually inflict sexual
434
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435
00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:12,280
torturous sexual behavior taunting
436
00:11:08,910 --> 00:11:12,280
437
00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:14,920
choking um threats to that individual um
438
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439
00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:17,800
who would generally speaking in many
440
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441
00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:21,200
occasions not report
442
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443
00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:24,440
this but teller did report his
444
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445
00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:26,480
ordeal and other boys would
446
00:11:24,430 --> 00:11:26,480
447
00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:29,600
follow gasy was
448
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449
00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:31,720
arrested the 26-year-old family man and
450
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451
00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:34,360
bright light of the community was
452
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453
00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:36,920
charged with sodomy and sentenced to 10
454
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455
00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,920
years in
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Anamosa it's a high-walled
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459
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institution there are armed guards on
460
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461
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the towers and very restricted movement
462
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463
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inside the compound of the prison fellow
464
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465
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inmate Ray Cornell became gas's close
466
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467
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friend it was rigorous as prison I think
468
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469
00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:02,560
should be it was dangerous there were
470
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471
00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,640
numerous murder attempts while I was
472
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473
00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:07,200
serving the two years that I was there
474
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475
00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:10,880
on at least one occasion I witnessed a
476
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477
00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:12,560
person stabbed to death was not a very
478
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479
00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:15,920
nice place to
480
00:12:12,550 --> 00:12:15,920
481
00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:18,400
be a convicted homosexual sex
482
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483
00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:21,240
offender gasy should have been high on
484
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485
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the prison Hit
487
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List John told everyone that he was
488
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489
00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:31,360
serving time for showing pornographic
490
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491
00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:34,800
movies to teenage
492
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493
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boys John was very careful never to
494
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495
00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:40,200
reveal in the fact that he in fact was
496
00:12:37,150 --> 00:12:40,200
497
00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:43,720
in there for molesting or attempting to
498
00:12:40,190 --> 00:12:43,720
499
00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,720
molest uh teenage
501
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boys with the truth behind his crimes
502
00:12:47,470 --> 00:12:50,040
503
00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:52,600
successfully hidden gasy showed the same
504
00:12:50,030 --> 00:12:52,600
505
00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,680
ambitious streak as he had as a free man
506
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507
00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:57,600
only this time he was striving to be a
508
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509
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pillar of a very different
510
00:12:57,590 --> 00:13:00,360
511
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Community Richard navely was a prison
512
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513
00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:05,160
counselor at the time he came into
514
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515
00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:06,840
contact with inmate gasy he had a small
516
00:13:05,150 --> 00:13:06,840
517
00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,920
little sign that he wore that was very
518
00:13:06,830 --> 00:13:08,920
519
00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:12,560
much like the name tags that the
520
00:13:08,910 --> 00:13:12,560
521
00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:15,080
employees wore which said John gasy
522
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523
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first cook and you're a man of some
524
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525
00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:21,000
Authority here what what is your title
526
00:13:17,270 --> 00:13:21,000
527
00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:23,360
well I'm first cook in the kitchen and I
528
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529
00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,520
run the uh the morning meal and the
530
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531
00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:28,240
afternoon meal in the kitchen John how
532
00:13:25,510 --> 00:13:28,240
533
00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:31,520
long you been here I've been here now a
534
00:13:28,230 --> 00:13:31,520
535
00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:34,400
year and about 2 weeks he kind of got
536
00:13:31,510 --> 00:13:34,400
537
00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:38,360
himself ingratiated uh into the system
538
00:13:34,390 --> 00:13:38,360
539
00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:40,920
uh he was very uh uh responsible very
540
00:13:38,350 --> 00:13:40,920
541
00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:42,320
adult in his style he was older than the
542
00:13:40,910 --> 00:13:42,320
543
00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:47,320
average
544
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545
00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:50,280
inmate he was able to try to develop a
546
00:13:47,310 --> 00:13:50,280
547
00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:53,680
position and uh he was pretty successful
548
00:13:50,270 --> 00:13:53,680
549
00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,680
in in in doing
551
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that but his friend Ray Cornell
552
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553
00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:02,560
witnessed another site John Wayne gasy
554
00:14:00,270 --> 00:14:02,560
555
00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:06,280
during an encounter with an openly gay
556
00:14:02,550 --> 00:14:06,280
557
00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:06,280
convict known as Mr
559
00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:12,280
connect Mr connect and some of his
560
00:14:09,110 --> 00:14:12,280
561
00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:15,920
friends were in the lower yard of the
562
00:14:12,270 --> 00:14:15,920
563
00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:20,440
prison playing basketball and the ball
564
00:14:15,910 --> 00:14:20,440
565
00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:23,160
got loose and went rolling past
566
00:14:20,430 --> 00:14:23,160
567
00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:27,080
John and John got the ball and threw it
568
00:14:23,150 --> 00:14:27,080
569
00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:30,040
as hard as he could and connect not
570
00:14:27,070 --> 00:14:30,040
571
00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:32,920
showing a lot of good judgment uh then
572
00:14:30,030 --> 00:14:32,920
573
00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:37,080
said missed me missed me now you got to
574
00:14:32,910 --> 00:14:37,080
575
00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:40,920
kiss me and John went after
576
00:14:37,070 --> 00:14:40,920
577
00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:43,720
it just for a second I think I saw just
578
00:14:40,910 --> 00:14:43,720
579
00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:45,880
a glimpse of what his victims saw at the
580
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581
00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:48,880
end of their lives because he had every
582
00:14:45,870 --> 00:14:48,880
583
00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:51,760
intention of going after Gary connect
584
00:14:48,870 --> 00:14:51,760
585
00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:55,600
and hurting him badly or killing
586
00:14:51,750 --> 00:14:55,600
587
00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,600
him I think I saw the
589
00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:04,480
monster at Christmas 19 1969 gasy
590
00:15:00,990 --> 00:15:04,480
591
00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,480
received news that would affect him
593
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profoundly we were sitting in the lower
594
00:15:06,670 --> 00:15:08,720
595
00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:11,080
yard in the card playing area when a
596
00:15:08,710 --> 00:15:11,080
597
00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:14,280
guard came down and got John and took
598
00:15:11,070 --> 00:15:14,280
599
00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:16,040
him up to the security office gas's
600
00:15:14,270 --> 00:15:16,040
601
00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,480
father had died from
602
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603
00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:20,560
therosis and the authorities were not to
604
00:15:18,470 --> 00:15:20,560
605
00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,520
permit him to attend the funeral when I
606
00:15:20,550 --> 00:15:22,520
607
00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:28,800
saw him again the following morning in
608
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609
00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:28,800
the chow hall um he was a wreck
611
00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:37,480
he requested permission to visit his
612
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613
00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:40,680
father and I I suppose make amends with
614
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615
00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:43,560
him my suspicion is that uh when his
616
00:15:40,670 --> 00:15:43,560
617
00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:45,520
father died that was difficult because
618
00:15:43,550 --> 00:15:45,520
619
00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:48,080
uh what it means is that you can never
620
00:15:45,510 --> 00:15:48,080
621
00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:50,120
repair this
622
00:15:48,070 --> 00:15:50,120
623
00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,920
relationship people always want the
624
00:15:50,110 --> 00:15:51,920
625
00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:54,360
approval of their parents no matter how
626
00:15:51,910 --> 00:15:54,360
627
00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,360
old they
629
00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:02,440
are he talked about his father
630
00:15:59,510 --> 00:16:02,440
631
00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:06,680
over the next several days and he also
632
00:16:02,430 --> 00:16:06,680
633
00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:09,440
talked about how deeply hurt he was at
634
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635
00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:12,320
the fact that he would not be going over
636
00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:12,320
637
00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:15,960
to Chicago to see his father
638
00:16:12,310 --> 00:16:15,960
639
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buried but in 1970 less than 2 years
640
00:16:15,950 --> 00:16:18,200
641
00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:21,240
after his conviction gas's Model
642
00:16:18,190 --> 00:16:21,240
643
00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:23,280
Behavior paid off you mind my asking how
644
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645
00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:25,280
long do you plan to take up residence
646
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647
00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,560
here well I hope to be getting out
648
00:16:25,270 --> 00:16:27,560
649
00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:30,640
sometime in May well
650
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651
00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:33,120
good well since interesting about gas's
652
00:16:30,630 --> 00:16:33,120
653
00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:36,120
prison experiences as a result of the
654
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655
00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:38,480
sodomy charges is firstly he's released
656
00:16:36,110 --> 00:16:38,480
657
00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,880
very quickly his sentence was 10 years
658
00:16:38,470 --> 00:16:40,880
659
00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:43,560
he was out after 18 months he was able
660
00:16:40,870 --> 00:16:43,560
661
00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:46,560
to convince people that his behavior
662
00:16:43,550 --> 00:16:46,560
663
00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:50,080
wouldn't be repeated but within that 18
664
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665
00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:53,000
months he rises to the top of the prison
666
00:16:50,070 --> 00:16:53,000
667
00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:55,440
hierarchy despite the fact as a sex
668
00:16:52,990 --> 00:16:55,440
669
00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:58,640
offender one would have expected him to
670
00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:58,640
671
00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:00,880
be at the bottom of the prison hierarchy
672
00:16:58,630 --> 00:17:00,880
673
00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:05,160
so so what we're seeing here is the
674
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675
00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:08,000
skills that actually underly gas's uh
676
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677
00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:11,160
Behavior over a long period of time
678
00:17:07,990 --> 00:17:11,160
679
00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:14,120
skills that allow other people to gain
680
00:17:11,150 --> 00:17:14,120
681
00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:18,000
confidence in him to see him as
682
00:17:14,110 --> 00:17:18,000
683
00:17:14,120 --> 00:17:21,280
responsible to see him as trustworthy of
684
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685
00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:26,640
course ultimately he would abuse that
686
00:17:21,270 --> 00:17:26,640
687
00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:26,640
responsibility he'd abuse that trust
689
00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:35,600
in 1970 gasy now divorced returned to
690
00:17:32,910 --> 00:17:35,600
691
00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:37,320
his home City of Chicago eventually
692
00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:37,320
693
00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,080
settling into the quiet Suburban
694
00:17:37,310 --> 00:17:39,080
695
00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:42,520
neighborhood of
696
00:17:39,070 --> 00:17:42,520
697
00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:44,640
Norwood leaving his past in Iowa gasy
698
00:17:42,510 --> 00:17:44,640
699
00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:47,200
continued his Ambitions to be seen as an
700
00:17:44,630 --> 00:17:47,200
701
00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:50,440
important valued pillar of the local
702
00:17:47,190 --> 00:17:50,440
703
00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:52,680
community he married divorce Carol Hoff
704
00:17:50,430 --> 00:17:52,680
705
00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:56,280
and she and her two children moved into
706
00:17:52,670 --> 00:17:56,280
707
00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:59,680
his home there was an indomitable spirit
708
00:17:56,270 --> 00:17:59,680
709
00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:02,120
in gayy he really did think he was
710
00:17:59,670 --> 00:18:02,120
711
00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:04,840
beginning to become invulnerable and
712
00:18:02,110 --> 00:18:04,840
713
00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:07,120
that he could rise again and simply
714
00:18:04,830 --> 00:18:07,120
715
00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:09,080
getting married was just another
716
00:18:07,110 --> 00:18:09,080
717
00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:11,080
strategic plan as far as gasy was
718
00:18:09,070 --> 00:18:11,080
719
00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:13,640
concerned there was no real sexual
720
00:18:11,070 --> 00:18:13,640
721
00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:16,600
intent in this marriage it was
722
00:18:13,630 --> 00:18:16,600
723
00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:20,760
convenience as in Iowa gase's image as
724
00:18:16,590 --> 00:18:20,760
725
00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,760
the perfect Suburban neighbor was a mere
727
00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:29,200
facade in 1971 he was charged by Chicago
728
00:18:26,590 --> 00:18:29,200
729
00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:31,120
Police with disorderly conduct after a
730
00:18:29,190 --> 00:18:31,120
731
00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,040
teenage boy complained that gasy had
732
00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:33,040
733
00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:35,000
picked him up at a bus station and
734
00:18:33,030 --> 00:18:35,000
735
00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:37,640
forced him to commit a sexual
736
00:18:34,990 --> 00:18:37,640
737
00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:40,120
act the case was dropped when the boy
738
00:18:37,630 --> 00:18:40,120
739
00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:43,840
failed to appear in
740
00:18:40,110 --> 00:18:43,840
741
00:18:40,120 --> 00:18:46,320
court in 1972 gasy was charged with
742
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:46,320
743
00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:48,800
battery when a young man complained he
744
00:18:46,310 --> 00:18:48,800
745
00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:50,320
had been forced to perform oral sex
746
00:18:48,790 --> 00:18:50,320
747
00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:55,360
after gasy had told him he was a
748
00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:55,360
749
00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:55,360
sheriff's deputy the case never went to
751
00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:01,160
trial Timothy Jack McCoy was just 50
752
00:18:58,950 --> 00:19:01,160
753
00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:03,720
years old when he was picked up by gasy
754
00:19:01,150 --> 00:19:03,720
755
00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:06,600
at a Chicago bus station in
756
00:19:03,710 --> 00:19:06,600
757
00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:09,520
1972 after spending the night together
758
00:19:06,590 --> 00:19:09,520
759
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:11,720
gasey stabbed him to death gasy would
760
00:19:09,510 --> 00:19:11,720
761
00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,480
later claim the killing was accidental
762
00:19:11,710 --> 00:19:13,480
763
00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:16,080
and in
764
00:19:13,470 --> 00:19:16,080
765
00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:18,080
self-defense many murderers commit a
766
00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:18,080
767
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:20,440
murder because of the force of
768
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:20,440
769
00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:23,280
particular circumstances at a particular
770
00:19:20,430 --> 00:19:23,280
771
00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:25,440
point in their life but crucially the
772
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:25,440
773
00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,800
vast majority of murderers are
774
00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:27,800
775
00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:30,640
overwhelmed psychologically by the fact
776
00:19:27,790 --> 00:19:30,640
777
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,280
they've taken another person's life and
778
00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:32,280
779
00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:35,880
they never want to repeat that
780
00:19:32,270 --> 00:19:35,880
781
00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:38,920
experience because they understand how
782
00:19:35,870 --> 00:19:38,920
783
00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:40,840
difficult that has been not just for the
784
00:19:38,910 --> 00:19:40,840
785
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:43,600
victim for the victim's family but also
786
00:19:40,830 --> 00:19:43,600
787
00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:46,200
for themselves sadly a small number of
788
00:19:43,590 --> 00:19:46,200
789
00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:48,160
murderers want to continue to behave
790
00:19:46,190 --> 00:19:48,160
791
00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:53,120
like that because they found that
792
00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:53,120
793
00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:57,320
experience visceral vital exciting
794
00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:57,320
795
00:19:53,120 --> 00:20:00,640
sexy gasy had his first taste of murder
796
00:19:57,310 --> 00:20:00,640
797
00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,640
it would be far from his love
799
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:19,040
in 1970 after serving time in prison for
800
00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:19,040
801
00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:21,160
molesting teenage boys John Wayne gasy
802
00:20:19,030 --> 00:20:21,160
803
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,560
remarried and began building a new life
804
00:20:21,150 --> 00:20:22,560
805
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,200
in
806
00:20:22,550 --> 00:20:25,200
807
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:30,120
Chicago but his image as a loving family
808
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:30,120
809
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:31,200
man and generous neighbor was a sham
810
00:20:30,110 --> 00:20:31,200
811
00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:34,080
in
812
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:34,080
813
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:38,320
1972 he'd picked up 15-year-old Timothy
814
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:38,320
815
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:38,320
McCoy for sex and killed
817
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,440
him gasy would not be arrested for the
818
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:46,440
819
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,680
murder of the
820
00:20:46,430 --> 00:20:48,680
821
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:52,080
teenager as far as the rest of the world
822
00:20:48,670 --> 00:20:52,080
823
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:55,000
was concerned the 15-year-old had simply
824
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:55,000
825
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:57,400
disappeared and to the local community
826
00:20:54,990 --> 00:20:57,400
827
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,240
John Wayne gasey seemed ever more the
828
00:20:57,390 --> 00:20:59,240
829
00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,160
perfect Suburban neighbor
830
00:20:59,230 --> 00:21:01,160
831
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,280
The Neighbors on the black liked him he
832
00:21:01,150 --> 00:21:03,280
833
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:06,400
was a he was a very friendly man he
834
00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:06,400
835
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:09,800
would give these tremendous uh outside
836
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:09,800
837
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:12,600
parties for 100 to 200
838
00:21:09,790 --> 00:21:12,600
839
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:14,800
people gasy regularly entertained his
840
00:21:12,590 --> 00:21:14,800
841
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:18,040
neighbors by dressing up as a clown and
842
00:21:14,790 --> 00:21:18,040
843
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:21,600
Performing magic tricks gasy was the
844
00:21:18,030 --> 00:21:21,600
845
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:23,240
kind of person that not knowing how evil
846
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:23,240
847
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,520
he was you would like to have him in
848
00:21:23,230 --> 00:21:25,520
849
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,880
your community he was active in the JC's
850
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:27,880
851
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:30,280
which is the junior Chamber of Commerce
852
00:21:27,870 --> 00:21:30,280
853
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:33,360
and he was a volunteer for the political
854
00:21:30,270 --> 00:21:33,360
855
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:38,320
party of his choice and he was very well
856
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:38,320
857
00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:38,320
thought of in a very small world of his
859
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:47,240
[Music]
860
00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:47,240
861
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:49,400
community in 1974 gasy established his
862
00:21:47,230 --> 00:21:49,400
863
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:51,920
own painting decorating and construction
864
00:21:49,390 --> 00:21:51,920
865
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:54,600
business hiring a string of young men to
866
00:21:51,910 --> 00:21:54,600
867
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,880
carry out the work his Charisma and
868
00:21:54,590 --> 00:21:56,880
869
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:59,320
bravado ensured there was no shortage of
870
00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:59,320
871
00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,560
potential employees
872
00:21:59,310 --> 00:22:01,560
873
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:04,160
the boys knew John Wayne gasy he was a
874
00:22:01,550 --> 00:22:04,160
875
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:07,120
big name in town and when he walked in
876
00:22:04,150 --> 00:22:07,120
877
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:09,360
he was John he had the big car outside
878
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:09,360
879
00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:11,680
he had the money everybody knew he he
880
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:11,680
881
00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:14,600
was wealthy he had a big business and
882
00:22:11,670 --> 00:22:14,600
883
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:17,480
when he approached boys that were 14 15
884
00:22:14,590 --> 00:22:17,480
885
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:20,280
16 years old making minimum wage and he
886
00:22:17,470 --> 00:22:20,280
887
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:23,160
was promising them almost double salary
888
00:22:20,270 --> 00:22:23,160
889
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:25,840
just to to work in a construction site
890
00:22:23,150 --> 00:22:25,840
891
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:28,600
and help them build uh these boys jumped
892
00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:28,600
893
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:30,480
jumped at the chance gase is upair
894
00:22:28,590 --> 00:22:30,480
895
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,600
standing image as generous neighbor
896
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:32,600
897
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,640
successful businessman and do gooder in
898
00:22:32,590 --> 00:22:34,640
899
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:37,800
the community meant his motives for
900
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:37,800
901
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:40,360
employing many of the young men went
902
00:22:37,790 --> 00:22:40,360
903
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:43,400
undiscovered I find it very interesting
904
00:22:40,350 --> 00:22:43,400
905
00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:46,120
that people have a Hollywood image of
906
00:22:43,390 --> 00:22:46,120
907
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:49,200
the serial killer as being this rather
908
00:22:46,110 --> 00:22:49,200
909
00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:52,920
scary man that's going to pop up from
910
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:52,920
911
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:54,760
behind a bush and attack and kill
912
00:22:52,910 --> 00:22:54,760
913
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,280
whereas in fact serial killers by and
914
00:22:54,750 --> 00:22:57,280
915
00:22:54,760 --> 00:23:00,400
large are very well socialized into
916
00:22:57,270 --> 00:23:00,400
917
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:02,880
their community often holding down very
918
00:23:00,390 --> 00:23:02,880
919
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:05,160
responsible jobs within the community
920
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:05,160
921
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,840
often seen as being pillars of the
922
00:23:05,150 --> 00:23:07,840
923
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:10,840
community and indeed gasy is almost
924
00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:10,840
925
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:15,040
living out a fantasy that he must have
926
00:23:10,830 --> 00:23:15,040
927
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:17,240
had about being a pillar of the
928
00:23:15,030 --> 00:23:17,240
929
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:21,360
community so here's somebody living out
930
00:23:17,230 --> 00:23:21,360
931
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:24,600
the fantasy of normality albeit all the
932
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:24,600
933
00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:28,200
time we know he's also a closet
934
00:23:24,590 --> 00:23:28,200
935
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:32,600
homosexual who's engaging in sodomy with
936
00:23:28,190 --> 00:23:32,600
937
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:35,600
young men that he's able to convince to
938
00:23:32,590 --> 00:23:35,600
939
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:38,320
engage in sexual activity with him
940
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:38,320
941
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,200
perhaps through the status that he had
942
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:40,200
943
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:43,200
buying those sexual
944
00:23:40,190 --> 00:23:43,200
945
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:45,680
Services by the mid-70s behind closed
946
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:45,680
947
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:48,120
doors gas's wife began complaining of
948
00:23:45,670 --> 00:23:48,120
949
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,640
his violent mood swings he'd lost
950
00:23:48,110 --> 00:23:50,640
951
00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:53,440
interest in marital sex and was keeping
952
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:53,440
953
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:56,320
homosexual pornography around the house
954
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:56,320
955
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:59,800
she divorced him and moved
956
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:59,800
957
00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:01,920
out gasy began activ cruising Chicago's
958
00:23:59,790 --> 00:24:01,920
959
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:04,880
city streets looking to pick up young
960
00:24:01,910 --> 00:24:04,880
961
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:07,360
men from gay districts known pickup
962
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:07,360
963
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,560
spots and areas where waes and Strays
964
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:09,560
965
00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:09,560
would
967
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:17,120
congregate gasi was able to actually use
968
00:24:13,550 --> 00:24:17,120
969
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:19,800
one of his roles that of a pseudo police
970
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:19,800
971
00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:22,160
officer he had the wherewithal in terms
972
00:24:19,790 --> 00:24:22,160
973
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,360
of you know a radio and he would often
974
00:24:22,150 --> 00:24:24,360
975
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,680
hide behind a badge and have you know
976
00:24:24,350 --> 00:24:26,680
977
00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:29,680
bits of what looked like police
978
00:24:26,670 --> 00:24:29,680
979
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,680
paraphernalia
981
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:36,600
he would pick them up here cruising the
982
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:36,600
983
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:39,080
streets in a car that had a very large
984
00:24:36,590 --> 00:24:39,080
985
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:41,360
light on it as the police often did and
986
00:24:39,070 --> 00:24:41,360
987
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:44,120
he would be able to stop people using
988
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:44,120
989
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:46,320
that as if he were a police officer
990
00:24:44,110 --> 00:24:46,320
991
00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:48,840
picking up Strays taking them home
992
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:48,840
993
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:53,320
torturing
994
00:24:48,830 --> 00:24:53,320
995
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:55,640
them in 1975 boys began
996
00:24:53,310 --> 00:24:55,640
997
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:59,040
disappearing some had been selling sex
998
00:24:55,630 --> 00:24:59,040
999
00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:00,280
on the streets some were young Runaways
1000
00:24:59,030 --> 00:25:00,280
1001
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,960
some were connected with his
1002
00:25:00,270 --> 00:25:03,960
1003
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:06,560
construction business gas's technique of
1004
00:25:03,950 --> 00:25:06,560
1005
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:08,520
of charming and disarming his um victims
1006
00:25:06,550 --> 00:25:08,520
1007
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,640
was pretty much similar to the way that
1008
00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:10,640
1009
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:13,600
he actually engaged um people in a
1010
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:13,600
1011
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:16,680
legitimate business way he would keep
1012
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:16,680
1013
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,960
them entertained with his verbal Rapport
1014
00:25:16,670 --> 00:25:18,960
1015
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:21,600
and be able to actually charm them
1016
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:21,600
1017
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:24,280
quickly and rapidly into situations that
1018
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:24,280
1019
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:26,840
they could not escape from and once he
1020
00:25:24,270 --> 00:25:26,840
1021
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:29,560
had got them into a position where he
1022
00:25:26,830 --> 00:25:29,560
1023
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:32,360
felt that he was totally power he would
1024
00:25:29,550 --> 00:25:32,360
1025
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:35,520
change he would change very quickly and
1026
00:25:32,350 --> 00:25:35,520
1027
00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:40,520
the twinkl of an eye he would become the
1028
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:40,520
1029
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:40,520
commanding frightening torturous
1031
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,040
monster the young men would frequently
1032
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:47,040
1033
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,520
be
1034
00:25:47,030 --> 00:25:50,520
1035
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:53,240
drugged handcuffed subjected to repeated
1036
00:25:50,510 --> 00:25:53,240
1037
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:55,440
rapes and terrifying ordeals of
1038
00:25:53,230 --> 00:25:55,440
1039
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,760
torture then they would be
1040
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:57,760
1041
00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:00,680
strangled he always picked the kind of
1042
00:25:57,750 --> 00:26:00,680
1043
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:04,360
attractive guy that he could never be
1044
00:26:00,670 --> 00:26:04,360
1045
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:06,320
himself um but these individuals became
1046
00:26:04,350 --> 00:26:06,320
1047
00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:08,440
less individualistic as far as he's
1048
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:08,440
1049
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:11,160
concerned they became more and more
1050
00:26:08,430 --> 00:26:11,160
1051
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:13,800
objects mean the more they became simply
1052
00:26:11,150 --> 00:26:13,800
1053
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:17,120
objects for him to do with as he wished
1054
00:26:13,790 --> 00:26:17,120
1055
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:20,960
the more horrific and torturous their
1056
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:20,960
1057
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:20,960
experience was within his
1059
00:26:21,850 --> 00:26:28,760
[Music]
1060
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:28,760
1061
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:31,680
company gasy seems to me to fall into to
1062
00:26:28,750 --> 00:26:31,680
1063
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:33,720
the criteria of the hedonistic serial
1064
00:26:31,670 --> 00:26:33,720
1065
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,960
killer in other words the person who
1066
00:26:33,710 --> 00:26:36,960
1067
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:39,160
kills simply for the sexual thrill of
1068
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:39,160
1069
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:42,840
killing in particular strangling his
1070
00:26:39,150 --> 00:26:42,840
1071
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:45,600
young victims and sodomizing
1072
00:26:42,830 --> 00:26:45,600
1073
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:47,680
them rumors circulated amongst the gay
1074
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:47,680
1075
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,280
community about the dangers of a large
1076
00:26:47,670 --> 00:26:50,280
1077
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,680
man with a liking for violent sadistic
1078
00:26:50,270 --> 00:26:52,680
1079
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,800
sex but despite an ever increasing
1080
00:26:52,670 --> 00:26:54,800
1081
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,960
number of Disappearing young men they
1082
00:26:54,790 --> 00:26:56,960
1083
00:26:54,800 --> 00:27:00,120
were simply assumed to have left town or
1084
00:26:56,950 --> 00:27:00,120
1085
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:02,160
run away with no bodies discovered they
1086
00:27:00,110 --> 00:27:02,160
1087
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:04,480
were chalked up as just another of the
1088
00:27:02,150 --> 00:27:04,480
1089
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,920
thousands of missing persons reported in
1090
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:05,920
1091
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:09,840
the city each
1092
00:27:05,910 --> 00:27:09,840
1093
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:13,120
year the police tend to call young kids
1094
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:13,120
1095
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:15,360
of that kind blue dross they tend to
1096
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:15,360
1097
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:18,600
call them that as a way of saying they
1098
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:18,600
1099
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:21,280
don't matter as much as kids from a
1100
00:27:18,590 --> 00:27:21,280
1101
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:24,480
normal background so we don't give them
1102
00:27:21,270 --> 00:27:24,480
1103
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:28,440
as much attention we also know because
1104
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:28,440
1105
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:30,720
of their um sexuality that often that
1106
00:27:28,430 --> 00:27:30,720
1107
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:35,800
means the police don't take enough
1108
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:35,800
1109
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:38,480
notice of the uh violence in uh gay
1110
00:27:35,790 --> 00:27:38,480
1111
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,480
men's
1113
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:46,960
lives even when police were alerted to
1114
00:27:42,390 --> 00:27:46,960
1115
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,960
gas's sadistic Behavior they failed to
1117
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:55,120
act on a night in March
1118
00:27:51,710 --> 00:27:55,120
1119
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:57,520
1978 27-year-old Jeffrey Ral was lured
1120
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:57,520
1121
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:59,160
into gase's car by his offer to share a
1122
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:59,160
1123
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,720
joint
1124
00:27:59,150 --> 00:28:01,720
1125
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:04,040
he was chloroformed driven to gas's
1126
00:28:01,710 --> 00:28:04,040
1127
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,280
house and subjected to prolonged
1128
00:28:04,030 --> 00:28:06,280
1129
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:09,400
agonizing sexual
1130
00:28:06,270 --> 00:28:09,400
1131
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:11,920
torture after being repeatedly drugged
1132
00:28:09,390 --> 00:28:11,920
1133
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:15,440
he eventually awoke sprawled under a
1134
00:28:11,910 --> 00:28:15,440
1135
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:19,480
statue in Chicago's Lincoln Park despite
1136
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:19,480
1137
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:23,480
reporting the incident gasy remained at
1138
00:28:19,470 --> 00:28:23,480
1139
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:26,800
large gas's protection from
1140
00:28:23,470 --> 00:28:26,800
1141
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:29,440
investigation and prosecution was this
1142
00:28:26,790 --> 00:28:29,440
1143
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:32,240
established good good citizen that he'd
1144
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:32,240
1145
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,840
managed to fabricate in the community
1146
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:33,840
1147
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,640
where he felt to some degree he was
1148
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:35,640
1149
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,440
pretty much invulnerable from
1150
00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:38,440
1151
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,360
accusations from Young lads who were
1152
00:28:38,430 --> 00:28:40,360
1153
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,960
probably not thought of very well in the
1154
00:28:40,350 --> 00:28:42,960
1155
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:45,520
community he also knew that it was
1156
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:45,520
1157
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:48,880
pretty difficult for someone to make
1158
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:48,880
1159
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:51,120
accusations uh of homosexual nature and
1160
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:51,120
1161
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:54,000
of of someone who would suddenly want to
1162
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:54,000
1163
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,840
torture someone this was out of context
1164
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:55,840
1165
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,560
particularly out of context given his
1166
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:58,560
1167
00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:01,040
standing
1168
00:28:58,550 --> 00:29:01,040
1169
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:03,480
but John Wayne gasy was about to make a
1170
00:29:01,030 --> 00:29:03,480
1171
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,480
fatal
1173
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:10,520
mistake when gayy stopped targeting
1174
00:29:07,550 --> 00:29:10,520
1175
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:13,720
young gay homeless men who weren't
1176
00:29:10,510 --> 00:29:13,720
1177
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:16,640
really part of the community but instead
1178
00:29:13,710 --> 00:29:16,640
1179
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:19,400
targeted Robert Past who was an
1180
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:19,400
1181
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,160
All-American high school kid with a good
1182
00:29:19,390 --> 00:29:21,160
1183
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,560
family who were going to report him as
1184
00:29:21,150 --> 00:29:23,560
1185
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:26,160
missing who were going to say how is the
1186
00:29:23,550 --> 00:29:26,160
1187
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:28,960
police investigation going it was only
1188
00:29:26,150 --> 00:29:28,960
1189
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:32,960
by choosing that type of victim that
1190
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:32,960
1191
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,960
really was the unraveling of
1193
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,400
gay 15-year-old Robert past was
1194
00:29:36,430 --> 00:29:38,400
1195
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,960
considered the archetypal cleancut
1196
00:29:38,390 --> 00:29:39,960
1197
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,880
All-American
1198
00:29:39,950 --> 00:29:42,880
1199
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,760
boy popular with his peers and loved by
1200
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:44,760
1201
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,760
his close
1202
00:29:44,750 --> 00:29:47,760
1203
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:50,560
family on December the 11th
1204
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:50,560
1205
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:53,280
1978 he was working his regular job in a
1206
00:29:50,550 --> 00:29:53,280
1207
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,320
pharmacy saving money towards
1208
00:29:53,270 --> 00:29:55,320
1209
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,600
College he was looking forward to
1210
00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:56,600
1211
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,490
joining his mother's birthday
1212
00:29:56,590 --> 00:29:58,490
1213
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:01,590
celebrations that evening
1214
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,590
1215
00:29:58,490 --> 00:30:01,590
[Music]
1217
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:07,120
when she came to collect him at 9:00
1218
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:07,120
1219
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,560
p.m. he asked her to wait for a moment
1220
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:08,560
1221
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,240
while he went to talk to a man who was
1222
00:30:08,550 --> 00:30:11,240
1223
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:13,080
in the parking lot about an offer of a
1224
00:30:11,230 --> 00:30:13,080
1225
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,760
construction
1226
00:30:13,070 --> 00:30:15,760
1227
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:19,400
job he did not
1228
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:19,400
1229
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:23,560
return chief of detectives Joseph
1230
00:30:19,390 --> 00:30:23,560
1231
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,560
kenak received the missing person's
1233
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:28,600
report this is where Robert pce worked
1234
00:30:26,510 --> 00:30:28,600
1235
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,400
the boy's mother came came here to pick
1236
00:30:28,590 --> 00:30:31,400
1237
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:34,760
him up and when she arrived the boy told
1238
00:30:31,390 --> 00:30:34,760
1239
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:37,120
her that he wanted her to wait inside so
1240
00:30:34,750 --> 00:30:37,120
1241
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:40,400
he could go outside to talk to someone
1242
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:40,400
1243
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:44,360
about summer work and once the boy went
1244
00:30:40,390 --> 00:30:44,360
1245
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,360
out the the front door he was never seen
1247
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:52,080
again the owners of the
1248
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:52,080
1249
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:55,400
drugstore told us that they had a
1250
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:55,400
1251
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:58,040
contractor who was to do repair work
1252
00:30:55,390 --> 00:30:58,040
1253
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,800
inside of their their Pharmacy they
1254
00:30:58,030 --> 00:30:59,800
1255
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:03,000
supplied us with some information
1256
00:30:59,790 --> 00:31:03,000
1257
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,840
pertaining to his telephone number and
1258
00:31:02,990 --> 00:31:04,840
1259
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:08,440
through the phone number we were able to
1260
00:31:04,830 --> 00:31:08,440
1261
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:10,840
determine his full name and
1262
00:31:08,430 --> 00:31:10,840
1263
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:15,600
address and that's that's the first time
1264
00:31:10,830 --> 00:31:15,600
1265
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:15,600
we ever knew the name John Wayne
1267
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,560
gas detectives headed to the
1268
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:22,560
1269
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,480
businessman's home to question him
1270
00:31:22,550 --> 00:31:24,480
1271
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:29,000
hoping they would find the missing
1272
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:29,000
1273
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:29,000
15-year-old safe and unharmed
1275
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:39,040
Casey had a diamond shaped window in his
1276
00:31:36,150 --> 00:31:39,040
1277
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:42,600
front door and the front part of his
1278
00:31:39,030 --> 00:31:42,600
1279
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:45,680
house was dark but there was a street
1280
00:31:42,590 --> 00:31:45,680
1281
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:49,440
lamp on the sidewalk in front of his
1282
00:31:45,670 --> 00:31:49,440
1283
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:52,160
residence and as uh I stood in front of
1284
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:52,160
1285
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,040
his door knocking on it uh with the
1286
00:31:52,150 --> 00:31:54,040
1287
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:57,720
reflection of the light into the window
1288
00:31:54,030 --> 00:31:57,720
1289
00:31:54,040 --> 00:32:00,760
I could see a face staring back at us
1290
00:31:57,710 --> 00:32:00,760
1291
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:03,080
[Music]
1292
00:32:00,750 --> 00:32:03,080
1293
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:05,440
then the face faded in into the darkness
1294
00:32:03,070 --> 00:32:05,440
1295
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,440
of the
1297
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,640
house and as we walked along the side of
1298
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:12,640
1299
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,920
the house and looked inside of a window
1300
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:15,920
1301
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:19,840
we could see Casey sitting in a chair
1302
00:32:15,910 --> 00:32:19,840
1303
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,840
watching television drinking a
1305
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:26,400
beer it was an uncomfortable feeling
1306
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:26,400
1307
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:28,440
being inside his residence and he
1308
00:32:26,390 --> 00:32:28,440
1309
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,320
was uh
1310
00:32:28,430 --> 00:32:30,320
1311
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:34,200
belligerent uh
1312
00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:34,200
1313
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:35,480
uncooperative and seemed too uh he
1314
00:32:34,190 --> 00:32:35,480
1315
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,080
seemed
1316
00:32:35,470 --> 00:32:38,080
1317
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:40,320
nervous suspecting gasy knew more than
1318
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:40,320
1319
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,120
he was revealing detectives obtained a
1320
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:42,120
1321
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,240
search warrant and discovered a
1322
00:32:42,110 --> 00:32:44,240
1323
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:47,240
concealed void beneath the
1324
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:47,240
1325
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:50,600
house the crawl space was actually
1326
00:32:47,230 --> 00:32:50,600
1327
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:53,320
hidden by a secret trap door in a closet
1328
00:32:50,590 --> 00:32:53,320
1329
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:56,000
and one of my investigators found that
1330
00:32:53,310 --> 00:32:56,000
1331
00:32:53,320 --> 00:33:00,160
and pointed that out to
1332
00:32:55,990 --> 00:33:00,160
1333
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:02,840
me we took a a screwdriver into a little
1334
00:33:00,150 --> 00:33:02,840
1335
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:05,840
crack in the floor and PRI it up and
1336
00:33:02,830 --> 00:33:05,840
1337
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,560
when we did the whole floor lifted up
1338
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:07,560
1339
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,720
and that led us into the crawl space and
1340
00:33:07,550 --> 00:33:09,720
1341
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,960
I went down there with a flashlight and
1342
00:33:09,710 --> 00:33:12,960
1343
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:15,520
looked around and everything was dry and
1344
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:15,520
1345
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:18,400
solid there was no
1346
00:33:15,510 --> 00:33:18,400
1347
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:20,240
evidence teenager Robert past was
1348
00:33:18,390 --> 00:33:20,240
1349
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:23,160
nowhere to be
1350
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:23,160
1351
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:25,000
found detectives placed gasy under
1352
00:33:23,150 --> 00:33:25,000
1353
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,880
24-hour
1354
00:33:24,990 --> 00:33:26,880
1355
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,720
surveillance when we started our
1356
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:28,720
1357
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:33,040
surveillance uh
1358
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:33,040
1359
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:38,000
gy initially responded by telling many
1360
00:33:33,030 --> 00:33:38,000
1361
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:39,600
of his friends that we were FBI agents
1362
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:39,600
1363
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,160
that we were
1364
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:42,160
1365
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:45,200
bodyguards but ultimately what happened
1366
00:33:42,150 --> 00:33:45,200
1367
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:47,880
is he really started to break down
1368
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:47,880
1369
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:51,440
psychologically in the sense that he
1370
00:33:47,870 --> 00:33:51,440
1371
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:54,560
couldn't maintain his day-to-day facade
1372
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:54,560
1373
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,960
of being Mr Nice Guy or a businessman
1374
00:33:54,550 --> 00:33:55,960
1375
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,760
because every time he went out his front
1376
00:33:55,950 --> 00:33:58,760
1377
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:01,680
door there was a police car sitting
1378
00:33:58,750 --> 00:34:01,680
1379
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:04,440
there waiting to follow him
1380
00:34:01,670 --> 00:34:04,440
1381
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,600
around despite finding no bodies at his
1382
00:34:04,430 --> 00:34:06,600
1383
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:09,080
house the police had discovered a stash
1384
00:34:06,590 --> 00:34:09,080
1385
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,960
of personal possessions that appear to
1386
00:34:09,070 --> 00:34:11,960
1387
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,960
have been collected as
1389
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:20,840
trophies we had started to find case
1390
00:34:17,070 --> 00:34:20,840
1391
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:23,440
reports based on pieces of ID we found
1392
00:34:20,830 --> 00:34:23,440
1393
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,760
on the first search warant and
1394
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:25,760
1395
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,120
identified those little pieces of
1396
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:28,120
1397
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:33,800
identification as being missing person
1398
00:34:28,110 --> 00:34:33,800
1399
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:33,800
persons who were former employees of
1401
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,120
gasey the mounting evidence convinced
1402
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:38,120
1403
00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:42,080
detectives that they should begin
1404
00:34:38,110 --> 00:34:42,080
1405
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:45,240
digging in the craw space under gas's
1406
00:34:42,070 --> 00:34:45,240
1407
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:47,080
house prosecuting attorney Robert Eagan
1408
00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:47,080
1409
00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:49,840
was one of the first on the
1410
00:34:47,070 --> 00:34:49,840
1411
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:52,520
scene the first body was
1412
00:34:49,830 --> 00:34:52,520
1413
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,240
excavated and everyone was kind of
1414
00:34:52,510 --> 00:34:54,240
1415
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:57,160
standing around waiting for the
1416
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:57,160
1417
00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:59,000
excavation there was a lot of water in
1418
00:34:57,150 --> 00:34:59,000
1419
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:04,800
the CW space as a matter of fact the
1420
00:34:58,990 --> 00:35:04,800
1421
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:04,800
body had to be taken up literally Out of
1423
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,440
Water the evidence technician had to
1424
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:10,440
1425
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,320
reach down and feel a rib cage and then
1426
00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:12,320
1427
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:15,000
pull the rib cage up out of the
1428
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:15,000
1429
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:17,280
water the parts were put into a body bag
1430
00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:17,280
1431
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,240
and as that was taking place the
1432
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:19,240
1433
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,480
evidence technician that was doing the
1434
00:35:19,230 --> 00:35:22,480
1435
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:27,280
excavation was feeling down under the
1436
00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:27,280
1437
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:29,280
water and he he yelled out to us and we
1438
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:29,280
1439
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,480
everybody kind of turned around to see
1440
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:31,480
1441
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:34,760
what he was wor he and he said I I've
1442
00:35:31,470 --> 00:35:34,760
1443
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:37,560
got another rib cage down
1444
00:35:34,750 --> 00:35:37,560
1445
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:40,040
here beneath the unassuming Suburban
1446
00:35:37,550 --> 00:35:40,040
1447
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,720
home detectives had made a discovery
1448
00:35:40,030 --> 00:35:41,720
1449
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:45,920
that would see it become one of the most
1450
00:35:41,710 --> 00:35:45,920
1451
00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:45,920
infamous houses in American
1453
00:35:54,600 --> 00:36:00,440
history in 1978 the search for
1454
00:35:57,910 --> 00:36:00,440
1455
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:03,160
15-year-old Robert past had led
1456
00:36:00,430 --> 00:36:03,160
1457
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:05,800
detectives to the home of John Wayne
1458
00:36:03,150 --> 00:36:05,800
1459
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:07,600
gasy a businessman and pillar of the
1460
00:36:05,790 --> 00:36:07,600
1461
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,720
local
1462
00:36:07,590 --> 00:36:09,720
1463
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,880
community there they discovered the
1464
00:36:09,710 --> 00:36:11,880
1465
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:14,040
remains of a decomposing body in a
1466
00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:14,040
1467
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:17,360
hidden crawl space beneath the
1468
00:36:14,030 --> 00:36:17,360
1469
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:19,160
house but that was only the beginning
1470
00:36:17,350 --> 00:36:19,160
1471
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,240
the evidence technician that was doing
1472
00:36:19,150 --> 00:36:22,240
1473
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:24,400
the excavation he yelled out to us and
1474
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:24,400
1475
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:25,400
he said i' I've got another rib cage
1476
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:25,400
1477
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,560
down
1478
00:36:25,390 --> 00:36:26,560
1479
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,320
[Music]
1480
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:29,320
1481
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,840
here the second set of remains was
1482
00:36:29,310 --> 00:36:30,840
1483
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:34,360
merely the tip of the
1484
00:36:30,830 --> 00:36:34,360
1485
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,030
iceberg body after decomposing body was
1486
00:36:34,350 --> 00:36:35,030
1487
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,080
being
1488
00:36:35,020 --> 00:36:37,080
1489
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:40,840
[Music]
1490
00:36:37,070 --> 00:36:40,840
1491
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:44,680
Unearthed gasy kept the bodies of his
1492
00:36:40,830 --> 00:36:44,680
1493
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,960
victims under the house it's an ideal
1494
00:36:44,670 --> 00:36:45,960
1495
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:49,360
way to
1496
00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:49,360
1497
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:52,400
remember where his victims were it's an
1498
00:36:49,350 --> 00:36:52,400
1499
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:57,720
ideal way of keeping control over those
1500
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:57,720
1501
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:57,720
victims even after they've died
1503
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:05,800
a total of 29 young men were discovered
1504
00:37:02,110 --> 00:37:05,800
1505
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:08,320
buried on gas's property 27 of them in
1506
00:37:05,790 --> 00:37:08,320
1507
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:13,160
the cruel space beneath his
1508
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:13,160
1509
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:15,640
home in police custody gasy began to
1510
00:37:13,150 --> 00:37:15,640
1511
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,320
confess he admitted to strangling all
1512
00:37:15,630 --> 00:37:17,320
1513
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:20,440
but his first
1514
00:37:17,310 --> 00:37:20,440
1515
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:22,680
victim he would choke them with a toric
1516
00:37:20,430 --> 00:37:22,680
1517
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:25,360
as they were sexually
1518
00:37:22,670 --> 00:37:25,360
1519
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,280
assaulted he referred to this as his
1520
00:37:25,350 --> 00:37:26,280
1521
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,640
rope
1522
00:37:26,270 --> 00:37:28,640
1523
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:34,080
trick he he claimed some victims
1524
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:34,080
1525
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:36,720
convulsed for an hour or two before
1526
00:37:34,070 --> 00:37:36,720
1527
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:40,640
dying when he investigation started the
1528
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:40,640
1529
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:43,680
neighbors uh essentially were to shock
1530
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:43,680
1531
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,880
beyond belief because most of the
1532
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:45,880
1533
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:48,520
neighbors even at that point in time
1534
00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:48,520
1535
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:51,560
still said John John would never do
1536
00:37:48,510 --> 00:37:51,560
1537
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:54,480
anything to harm anybody uh my son
1538
00:37:51,550 --> 00:37:54,480
1539
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,600
played by his house uh he's always had
1540
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:56,600
1541
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,120
parties for the neighborhood he was a
1542
00:37:56,590 --> 00:37:59,120
1543
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:03,120
nice guy a good businessman so the the
1544
00:37:59,110 --> 00:38:03,120
1545
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,120
neighbors were just totally
1547
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:11,560
shocked I was astounded this is a hard
1548
00:38:08,350 --> 00:38:11,560
1549
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:16,680
driving very hardworking individual this
1550
00:38:11,550 --> 00:38:16,680
1551
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:19,080
is a guy who appeared to have the social
1552
00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:19,080
1553
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,480
norms and the social values of the
1554
00:38:19,070 --> 00:38:20,480
1555
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,560
average middle
1556
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:23,560
1557
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:26,720
American right down to the ground I
1558
00:38:23,550 --> 00:38:26,720
1559
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:30,480
certainly did not anticipate anything
1560
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:30,480
1561
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:32,840
like that when I found out I was
1562
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:32,840
1563
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,400
stunned but none of the bodies under the
1564
00:38:32,830 --> 00:38:35,400
1565
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,840
house was 15-year-old Robert
1566
00:38:35,390 --> 00:38:37,840
1567
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:40,520
past his whereabouts were finally
1568
00:38:37,830 --> 00:38:40,520
1569
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,520
discovered in April
1571
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:45,680
1979 Robert had been killed on the night
1572
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:45,680
1573
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:48,040
of his
1574
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:48,040
1575
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:50,520
abduction with no space left under his
1576
00:38:48,030 --> 00:38:50,520
1577
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:53,960
house gasy had thrown the teenager's
1578
00:38:50,510 --> 00:38:53,960
1579
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:56,840
body from a bridge into the Dez plains
1580
00:38:53,950 --> 00:38:56,840
1581
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:59,440
River three other boys had suffered the
1582
00:38:56,830 --> 00:38:59,440
1583
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,440
same fate
1585
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:09,360
on February the 6th 1980 37-year-old
1586
00:39:06,910 --> 00:39:09,360
1587
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:12,560
John Wayne gasey stood trial for the
1588
00:39:09,350 --> 00:39:12,560
1589
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:15,000
murder of 33 young
1590
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:15,000
1591
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,600
men well the defense argued that he was
1592
00:39:14,990 --> 00:39:16,600
1593
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,360
insane because he couldn't control his
1594
00:39:16,590 --> 00:39:18,360
1595
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,760
actions I mean obviously he couldn't
1596
00:39:18,350 --> 00:39:20,760
1597
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,640
control his actions he killed 33 people
1598
00:39:20,750 --> 00:39:22,640
1599
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:25,720
that we know of but as an insanity
1600
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:25,720
1601
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:29,320
defense in a legal courtroom that's not
1602
00:39:25,710 --> 00:39:29,320
1603
00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:29,320
going to hold up
1605
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,760
prosecutor William kungl was convinced
1606
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:35,760
1607
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,360
he could prove gasy had been San and
1608
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:37,360
1609
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,000
fully aware of his
1610
00:39:37,350 --> 00:39:40,000
1611
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:42,200
wrongdoing he had underlined passages
1612
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:42,200
1613
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:45,680
and read in his family
1614
00:39:42,190 --> 00:39:45,680
1615
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:48,240
bible uh indicating his knowledge of his
1616
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:48,240
1617
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:50,000
own guilt as a
1618
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:50,000
1619
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:53,400
Catholic
1620
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:53,400
1621
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:56,000
uh the blasphemers the idolators the
1622
00:39:53,390 --> 00:39:56,000
1623
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:58,000
abusers of themselves with mankind shall
1624
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:58,000
1625
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:01,000
not inherit the kingdom of God he had
1626
00:39:57,990 --> 00:40:01,000
1627
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:03,920
that underline he had the Illinois
1628
00:40:00,990 --> 00:40:03,920
1629
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,840
statute book with the paper clips and
1630
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:05,840
1631
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,560
underlining on the sexually dangerous
1632
00:40:05,830 --> 00:40:08,560
1633
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,200
person's act you know exactly what he
1634
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:10,200
1635
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,880
was doing and he even knew what the
1636
00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:11,880
1637
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:15,200
consequences of it
1638
00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:15,200
1639
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:17,840
was so he never showed any remorse never
1640
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:17,840
1641
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:20,800
any Contrition
1642
00:40:17,830 --> 00:40:20,800
1643
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:23,200
no emotion it's what psychiatrists call
1644
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:23,200
1645
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,360
a flat AFF
1646
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:25,360
1647
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,670
effect very
1648
00:40:25,350 --> 00:40:27,670
1649
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:30,910
narcissistic well he was all the
1650
00:40:27,660 --> 00:40:30,910
1651
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:30,910
[Music]
1653
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:38,840
mattered on March the 13th 1980 John
1654
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:38,840
1655
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:41,440
Wayne gasy was found guilty and
1656
00:40:38,830 --> 00:40:41,440
1657
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,660
sentenced to serve 12 death sentences
1658
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:43,660
1659
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:48,800
and 21 natural life
1660
00:40:43,650 --> 00:40:48,800
1661
00:40:43,660 --> 00:40:51,040
[Music]
1662
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:51,040
1663
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,080
sentences they asked him why why did you
1664
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:53,080
1665
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,400
do this stuff and he said well there
1666
00:40:53,070 --> 00:40:55,400
1667
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:58,760
were several reasons uh with some of the
1668
00:40:55,390 --> 00:40:58,760
1669
00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:01,600
kids I was afraid they would expose me
1670
00:40:58,750 --> 00:41:01,600
1671
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,960
others threatened to expose me so I I
1672
00:41:01,590 --> 00:41:03,960
1673
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:07,080
had to kill them he said and they were
1674
00:41:03,950 --> 00:41:07,080
1675
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:10,480
they were all just human trash
1676
00:41:07,070 --> 00:41:10,480
1677
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,480
anyway that was his
1679
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:18,440
reason on May the 10th
1680
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1681
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1994 after 14 years on death row John
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Wayne gasy was executed by lethal
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injection gasy remains one of a
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America's most prolific serial
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murderers but what drove him to Snuff
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out the lives of 33 young
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men was the belittling and abuse at the
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hands of his alcoholic father the
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Catalyst was the blood clot on his brain
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from his childhood accident with a swing
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the
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trigger or was John Wayne gasey simply
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born to
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kill I don't think there's anything in
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gas 's background that suggests that he
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was born to kill my sympathy for gayy
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circumstances is that homophobia is a
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very difficult cultural phenomenon to
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overcome and as a gay man gasy must have
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felt it was very difficult to be open
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about his
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sexuality and whilst we must never
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1729
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accept
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responsibility for the deaths that gayy
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caused what we should do is analyze
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cultures that regards one gender as
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Superior to another and one sexuality as
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Superior to
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another he clearly lacked a conscience
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had uh no feeling towards others that he
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1745
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was very callous and cold and
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calculating I can only conclude that
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people are born with this deficit and
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there's no way we can change that we
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can't teach someone to develop a
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conscience if it's not
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there so just imagine yourself if you
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lacked a conscience the sorts of things
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that you could get away with without
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feeling bad it's a conscience that makes
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most of us
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behave because we'd feel bad
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if you were suddenly freed of that think
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of what you might
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do forensic psychologist Dr Helen
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Morrison spent 600 hours in the company
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of the serial
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killer and after his death was given
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permission by gase's family to have his
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brain
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examined there were no obvious
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abnormalities to him those men and those
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boys were Vermin they just need needed
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to be extinguished for no reason other
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than the fact that they needed to be
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1797
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gotten rid
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of
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1801
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99% of Serial murderers are male and
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this is around the world it covers all
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cultures it covers all socioeconomic
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groups it covers all religious groups it
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covers any type of place that you can
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imagine in the world and yet they are so
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like they've been cut out with a cookie
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1815
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cutter they are so exactly the same so
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we have to assume that there is some
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1819
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genetic Foundation it has to be a
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1821
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mutation John gasy was definitely Born
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1823
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To Kill
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a
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