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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:06,360 they're the world's most infamous serial 2 00:00:03,110 --> 00:00:06,360 3 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:08,280 killers it was the largest numbers of 4 00:00:06,350 --> 00:00:08,280 5 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,840 deaths attributable to a single mass 6 00:00:08,270 --> 00:00:10,840 7 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:12,640 murder in American history here it was 8 00:00:10,830 --> 00:00:12,640 9 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,760 all American boy killed all American 10 00:00:12,630 --> 00:00:14,760 11 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:17,480 Girls but what drove them to commit 12 00:00:14,750 --> 00:00:17,480 13 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:22,080 their horrific crimes the victims had 14 00:00:17,470 --> 00:00:22,080 15 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:25,080 been cut open and their organs had been 16 00:00:22,070 --> 00:00:25,080 17 00:00:22,080 --> 00:00:27,720 removed was it nature her father was 18 00:00:25,070 --> 00:00:27,720 19 00:00:25,080 --> 00:00:31,600 reportedly a sex offender he's the most 20 00:00:27,710 --> 00:00:31,600 21 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:34,280 deranged fellow I ever met or nurture 22 00:00:31,590 --> 00:00:34,280 23 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:37,080 the father stood and broke the mother's 24 00:00:34,270 --> 00:00:37,080 25 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:40,080 fingers one by one in front of the 26 00:00:37,070 --> 00:00:40,080 27 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,080 children 29 00:00:41,380 --> 00:00:44,520 [Applause] 31 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,600 John Wayne 32 00:01:06,710 --> 00:01:09,600 33 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:12,280 gasey a sadistic serial killer that 34 00:01:09,590 --> 00:01:12,280 35 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:15,640 fooled even his closest friends and 36 00:01:12,270 --> 00:01:15,640 37 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:19,000 neighbors this is a hard driving very 38 00:01:15,630 --> 00:01:19,000 39 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:21,800 hard working individual I was astounded 40 00:01:18,990 --> 00:01:21,800 41 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:25,120 a pillar of society with a shocking 42 00:01:21,790 --> 00:01:25,120 43 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:26,880 secret we took a screwdriver into a 44 00:01:25,110 --> 00:01:26,880 45 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,920 little crack in the floor and when we 46 00:01:26,870 --> 00:01:28,920 47 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,240 did the whole floor lifted 48 00:01:28,910 --> 00:01:31,240 49 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:33,680 up he would become one of the most 50 00:01:31,230 --> 00:01:33,680 51 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:35,800 prolific serial killers in American 52 00:01:33,670 --> 00:01:35,800 53 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,480 history they asked him well why why did 54 00:01:35,790 --> 00:01:37,480 55 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,720 you do this stuff I was afraid they 56 00:01:37,470 --> 00:01:39,720 57 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:42,640 would exposed me he said they were all 58 00:01:39,710 --> 00:01:42,640 59 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:45,880 just human trash anyway but was John 60 00:01:42,630 --> 00:01:45,880 61 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:50,320 Wayne gasy a product of his upbringing 62 00:01:45,870 --> 00:01:50,320 63 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:50,320 or was he born to kill 65 00:01:50,330 --> 00:01:55,130 [Music] 67 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:09,280 John Wayne gasy was born in Chicago in 68 00:02:06,310 --> 00:02:09,280 69 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,400 1942 the only son of Marian and John 70 00:02:09,270 --> 00:02:10,400 71 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:15,360 gasy 72 00:02:10,390 --> 00:02:15,360 73 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:18,760 Senior John gasy was a son of a 74 00:02:15,350 --> 00:02:18,760 75 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:22,080 bluecolor worker a mother who was a 76 00:02:18,750 --> 00:02:22,080 77 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:24,640 pharmacist his biological father drank 78 00:02:22,070 --> 00:02:24,640 79 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,600 alcohol but continued to work he was 80 00:02:24,630 --> 00:02:26,600 81 00:02:24,640 --> 00:02:29,640 considered a functioning 82 00:02:26,590 --> 00:02:29,640 83 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:32,400 alcoholic from what I understand uh he 84 00:02:29,630 --> 00:02:32,400 85 00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:35,080 was was physically abused by his father 86 00:02:32,390 --> 00:02:35,080 87 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:37,640 and his father was often not available 88 00:02:35,070 --> 00:02:37,640 89 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:40,840 or was 90 00:02:37,630 --> 00:02:40,840 91 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:45,800 intoxicated his father was also known 92 00:02:40,830 --> 00:02:45,800 93 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:49,800 for uh abusing gase's mother in fact 94 00:02:45,790 --> 00:02:49,800 95 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:53,560 engaging in uh physical fights with her 96 00:02:49,790 --> 00:02:53,560 97 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:55,720 uh that gasy must have witnessed now 98 00:02:53,550 --> 00:02:55,720 99 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:59,320 clearly those sorts of things have an 100 00:02:55,710 --> 00:02:59,320 101 00:02:55,720 --> 00:03:01,760 impact on a person's development and the 102 00:02:59,310 --> 00:03:01,760 103 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:04,640 way they look at the 104 00:03:01,750 --> 00:03:04,640 105 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:07,720 world the young John was close to his 106 00:03:04,630 --> 00:03:07,720 107 00:03:04,640 --> 00:03:09,800 mother but to his father the overweight 108 00:03:07,710 --> 00:03:09,800 109 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,800 unathletic boy was a 110 00:03:09,790 --> 00:03:11,800 111 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,440 disappointment one that he made little 112 00:03:11,790 --> 00:03:13,440 113 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,160 effort to 114 00:03:13,430 --> 00:03:16,160 115 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,800 hide his father would come home he would 116 00:03:16,150 --> 00:03:17,800 117 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,160 go down into the basement into his 118 00:03:17,790 --> 00:03:20,160 119 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:23,400 Workshop not interact with anyone in the 120 00:03:20,150 --> 00:03:23,400 121 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:27,160 family but had this special thing about 122 00:03:23,390 --> 00:03:27,160 123 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:32,080 his son whom he felt should be 124 00:03:27,150 --> 00:03:32,080 125 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:34,520 better uh more like the father become a 126 00:03:32,070 --> 00:03:34,520 127 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:38,000 business person become someone who was 128 00:03:34,510 --> 00:03:38,000 129 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:41,560 admired in the community gas's father 130 00:03:37,990 --> 00:03:41,560 131 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,920 regularly called him stupid a mama's boy 132 00:03:41,550 --> 00:03:42,920 133 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,440 and a 134 00:03:42,910 --> 00:03:45,440 135 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,400 [ __ ] his father frequently told him 136 00:03:45,430 --> 00:03:47,400 137 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:50,480 that he was a failure he wouldn't amount 138 00:03:47,390 --> 00:03:50,480 139 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:52,720 to anything so again you you think of 140 00:03:50,470 --> 00:03:52,720 141 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:55,760 how someone growing up with that kind of 142 00:03:52,710 --> 00:03:55,760 143 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:57,840 verbal abuse and emotional abuse would 144 00:03:55,750 --> 00:03:57,840 145 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:01,240 develop as an 146 00:03:57,830 --> 00:04:01,240 147 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:04,040 adult John entered his teenage years and 148 00:04:01,230 --> 00:04:04,040 149 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:07,040 began to complain of body problems 150 00:04:04,030 --> 00:04:07,040 151 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:09,480 headaches faintness dizziness which the 152 00:04:07,030 --> 00:04:09,480 153 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:12,160 father must have seen as a 154 00:04:09,470 --> 00:04:12,160 155 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:14,800 weakening uh that this was not a strong 156 00:04:12,150 --> 00:04:14,800 157 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:19,920 person this was not a person who could 158 00:04:14,790 --> 00:04:19,920 159 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:19,920 stand up and be tall and be successful 161 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:40,400 at school the young gayc continued to 162 00:04:36,390 --> 00:04:40,400 163 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:43,160 disappoint he entered serially high 164 00:04:40,390 --> 00:04:43,160 165 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:46,080 schools and to great disappointment to 166 00:04:43,150 --> 00:04:46,080 167 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:48,440 his father he tended to fail and there 168 00:04:46,070 --> 00:04:48,440 169 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:51,840 were reasons for failure perhaps put 170 00:04:48,430 --> 00:04:51,840 171 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:54,560 forward I mean he he was ADHD he he had 172 00:04:51,830 --> 00:04:54,560 173 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:54,560 real problems 175 00:04:55,440 --> 00:05:00,800 concentrating despite his failures John 176 00:04:58,190 --> 00:05:00,800 177 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:03,880 gasy Jr was getting a reputation as a 178 00:05:00,790 --> 00:05:03,880 179 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:06,960 bragard he tell fanciful stories and 180 00:05:03,870 --> 00:05:06,960 181 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:10,040 could confidently talk himself out of 182 00:05:06,950 --> 00:05:10,040 183 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:12,240 trouble at 11 years old gasy was struck 184 00:05:10,030 --> 00:05:12,240 185 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,280 on the head by a swing resulting in a 186 00:05:12,230 --> 00:05:13,280 187 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,720 series of 188 00:05:13,270 --> 00:05:16,720 189 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:19,480 blackouts his father accused him of 190 00:05:16,710 --> 00:05:19,480 191 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:21,680 Faking at age 16 he began taking 192 00:05:19,470 --> 00:05:21,680 193 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:24,200 medication for a heart 194 00:05:21,670 --> 00:05:24,200 195 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:26,440 ailment gasy was seen as weaker than 196 00:05:24,190 --> 00:05:26,440 197 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,440 other 199 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:33,920 teenagers these conspired but overriding 200 00:05:30,750 --> 00:05:33,920 201 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:36,360 most of these excuses for his failure 202 00:05:33,910 --> 00:05:36,360 203 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:39,080 was the basic fact that John Wayne gasy 204 00:05:36,350 --> 00:05:39,080 205 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:44,400 was very good at producing 206 00:05:39,070 --> 00:05:44,400 207 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:48,240 justifications and excuses for why he 208 00:05:44,390 --> 00:05:48,240 209 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:52,680 failed age 20 and without qualifications 210 00:05:48,230 --> 00:05:52,680 211 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,680 gasy left Chicago and struck out on his 213 00:05:53,840 --> 00:06:00,480 own he traveled to Las Vegas where he 214 00:05:56,750 --> 00:06:00,480 215 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:03,480 found a job cleaning up in a Mory 216 00:06:00,470 --> 00:06:03,480 217 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:05,360 he entered the world on a onetoone basis 218 00:06:03,470 --> 00:06:05,360 219 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,760 he no longer as it were were living 220 00:06:05,350 --> 00:06:06,760 221 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:09,000 living in the shadow of his family and 222 00:06:06,750 --> 00:06:09,000 223 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:11,560 particularly his father he kind of felt 224 00:06:08,990 --> 00:06:11,560 225 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,560 a bit of a 227 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:16,120 release working in there and sweeping up 228 00:06:14,310 --> 00:06:16,120 229 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,960 was probably not the kind of high status 230 00:06:16,110 --> 00:06:17,960 231 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,920 job but it was a job and he attained on 232 00:06:17,950 --> 00:06:19,920 233 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:22,320 his own and it was a job that he managed 234 00:06:19,910 --> 00:06:22,320 235 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,320 to hold 237 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:28,720 down the work was low paid and menial 238 00:06:26,310 --> 00:06:28,720 239 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,520 gasy often worked alone with only dead 240 00:06:28,710 --> 00:06:30,520 241 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,600 bodies for company 242 00:06:30,510 --> 00:06:33,600 243 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:37,200 a number of serial killers will go 244 00:06:33,590 --> 00:06:37,200 245 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:39,040 through a variety of experiences which 246 00:06:37,190 --> 00:06:39,040 247 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:43,080 will mean that they come into close 248 00:06:39,030 --> 00:06:43,080 249 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:46,080 proximity with um dead bodies in gas's 250 00:06:43,070 --> 00:06:46,080 251 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:50,280 case we know that he acted as uh a 252 00:06:46,070 --> 00:06:50,280 253 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:53,640 janitor in a Mory we have a kind of 254 00:06:50,270 --> 00:06:53,640 255 00:06:50,280 --> 00:06:55,840 familiarization with dead bodies a 256 00:06:53,630 --> 00:06:55,840 257 00:06:53,640 --> 00:07:01,400 familiarization that would take away the 258 00:06:55,830 --> 00:07:01,400 259 00:06:55,840 --> 00:07:01,400 taboo of being around a dead body 261 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:07,920 John Wayne gas's new life in Las Vegas 262 00:07:04,150 --> 00:07:07,920 263 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:10,000 didn't last long after only 3 months he 264 00:07:07,910 --> 00:07:10,000 265 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,360 used what little money he'd saved to 266 00:07:09,990 --> 00:07:12,360 267 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,360 return to 269 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:17,280 Chicago there he enrolled in a business 270 00:07:14,950 --> 00:07:17,280 271 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:20,040 college and for the first time gasy 272 00:07:17,270 --> 00:07:20,040 273 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:22,680 began to flourish he'd always had the 274 00:07:20,030 --> 00:07:22,680 275 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,020 gift of the gab and he soon discovered a 276 00:07:22,670 --> 00:07:24,020 277 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,560 flare for 278 00:07:24,010 --> 00:07:26,560 279 00:07:24,020 --> 00:07:29,640 [Music] 280 00:07:26,550 --> 00:07:29,640 281 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:32,240 salesmanship casy suddenly realized 282 00:07:29,630 --> 00:07:32,240 283 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:34,120 there was something that gave him esteem 284 00:07:32,230 --> 00:07:34,120 285 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,800 it's something that made him stand up in 286 00:07:34,110 --> 00:07:35,800 287 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,480 the world where he could as it were 288 00:07:35,790 --> 00:07:37,480 289 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,600 stand shoulder toos shoulder and even 290 00:07:37,470 --> 00:07:39,600 291 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,960 beyond that with those individuals 292 00:07:39,590 --> 00:07:41,960 293 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,960 around 295 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:48,040 him by the age of just 21 gas's business 296 00:07:46,430 --> 00:07:48,040 297 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:51,440 talents had won him the position of 298 00:07:48,030 --> 00:07:51,440 299 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:53,960 manager at a shoe store he realized that 300 00:07:51,430 --> 00:07:53,960 301 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:56,520 his abilities his acting abilities his 302 00:07:53,950 --> 00:07:56,520 303 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:58,840 his charm and disarm abilities that most 304 00:07:56,510 --> 00:07:58,840 305 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,880 kind of inherent Psychopaths seem to 306 00:07:58,830 --> 00:08:00,880 307 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,600 have this cold indifference actually 308 00:08:00,870 --> 00:08:02,600 309 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:05,080 works for you in 310 00:08:02,590 --> 00:08:05,080 311 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:07,400 interactions he then found his success 312 00:08:05,070 --> 00:08:07,400 313 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:11,800 and he found his Career Success could 314 00:08:07,390 --> 00:08:11,800 315 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,800 even match the expectations of his 317 00:08:15,890 --> 00:08:21,120 [Music] 318 00:08:17,150 --> 00:08:21,120 319 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:23,960 father in September 1964 gasy met and 320 00:08:21,110 --> 00:08:23,960 321 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:26,680 married his co-worker Marlin 322 00:08:23,950 --> 00:08:26,680 323 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:28,640 Meyers Marlin's father saw promise in 324 00:08:26,670 --> 00:08:28,640 325 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,240 his ambitious new son-in-law and 326 00:08:28,630 --> 00:08:30,240 327 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:34,400 appointed him the maner manager of his 328 00:08:30,230 --> 00:08:34,400 329 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,400 three fast food franchises in 331 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:40,640 Iowa John and Marlin began a new life in 332 00:08:38,190 --> 00:08:40,640 333 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:43,760 watero together they had two 334 00:08:40,630 --> 00:08:43,760 335 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:46,440 children gasy was now a family man a 336 00:08:43,750 --> 00:08:46,440 337 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:48,160 rising star in the local business world 338 00:08:46,430 --> 00:08:48,160 339 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:51,160 and a popular member of the 340 00:08:48,150 --> 00:08:51,160 341 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,640 community on the surface it was a 342 00:08:51,150 --> 00:08:52,640 343 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,680 storybook 344 00:08:52,630 --> 00:08:55,680 345 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:57,600 existence gasy was a role model he was a 346 00:08:55,670 --> 00:08:57,600 347 00:08:55,680 --> 00:09:00,200 role model of what a businessman should 348 00:08:57,590 --> 00:09:00,200 349 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:02,120 be he should be involved in all these 350 00:09:00,190 --> 00:09:02,120 351 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,120 political organizations all of these 352 00:09:02,110 --> 00:09:03,120 353 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,000 business 354 00:09:03,110 --> 00:09:05,000 355 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:08,440 organizations um he should be the 356 00:09:04,990 --> 00:09:08,440 357 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:10,920 upstanding citizen in his small town but 358 00:09:08,430 --> 00:09:10,920 359 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:13,160 it really had no meaning for him 360 00:09:10,910 --> 00:09:13,160 361 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:16,320 otherwise if it had he wouldn't have 362 00:09:13,150 --> 00:09:16,320 363 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:19,200 needed to go into the remainder of what 364 00:09:16,310 --> 00:09:19,200 365 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:22,640 he did for the rest of his 366 00:09:19,190 --> 00:09:22,640 367 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:24,800 life what John Wayne gasy would become 368 00:09:22,630 --> 00:09:24,800 369 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:28,000 would shock his Suburban neighbors to 370 00:09:24,790 --> 00:09:28,000 371 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,000 their core 373 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:42,480 after a childhood plagued by illness and 374 00:09:38,630 --> 00:09:42,480 375 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:45,000 failure John Wayne gasy now had a wife 376 00:09:42,470 --> 00:09:45,000 377 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:48,760 two children and was the successful 378 00:09:44,990 --> 00:09:48,760 379 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,760 manager of a chain of fast food 381 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:54,720 Outlets the gases appeared the perfect 382 00:09:52,230 --> 00:09:54,720 383 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,720 nuclear 385 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:01,320 family but behind the respectable facade 386 00:09:58,710 --> 00:10:01,320 387 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:03,280 John Wayne Acy had begun to inhabit a 388 00:10:01,310 --> 00:10:03,280 389 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,520 world at odds with the straight laced 390 00:10:03,270 --> 00:10:05,520 391 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:09,600 image of Midwestern 392 00:10:05,510 --> 00:10:09,600 393 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:12,800 Suburbia he got started abusing teenage 394 00:10:09,590 --> 00:10:12,800 395 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:14,560 boys sexually and there are a few 396 00:10:12,790 --> 00:10:14,560 397 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:17,440 chilling incidents where he actually 398 00:10:14,550 --> 00:10:17,440 399 00:10:14,560 --> 00:10:19,280 threatens some of these young men that 400 00:10:17,430 --> 00:10:19,280 401 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,640 we didn't injure or kill anyone as far 402 00:10:19,270 --> 00:10:21,640 403 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,640 as we 405 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:28,560 know in 406 00:10:25,110 --> 00:10:28,560 407 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:30,240 1967 gasy lured 16-year-old John tuler 408 00:10:28,550 --> 00:10:30,240 409 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:32,600 to his home 410 00:10:30,230 --> 00:10:32,600 411 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,320 they watched pornographic movies drank 412 00:10:32,590 --> 00:10:34,320 413 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:37,480 and played 414 00:10:34,310 --> 00:10:37,480 415 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:39,880 pool then without warning gasy forced 416 00:10:37,470 --> 00:10:39,880 417 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:43,120 teller onto a bed at knife Point 418 00:10:39,870 --> 00:10:43,120 419 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:46,840 handcuffed him and started to choke 420 00:10:43,110 --> 00:10:46,840 421 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:50,680 him in the case of John toy he followed 422 00:10:46,830 --> 00:10:50,680 423 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:54,360 the usual getting them drunk and showing 424 00:10:50,670 --> 00:10:54,360 425 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:56,760 pornography and then turning suddenly 426 00:10:54,350 --> 00:10:56,760 427 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:59,520 and using violence or threat and in this 428 00:10:56,750 --> 00:10:59,520 429 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:02,640 case a knife um to force that person 430 00:10:59,510 --> 00:11:02,640 431 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:06,400 into handcuffs into a power submissive 432 00:11:02,630 --> 00:11:06,400 433 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:08,920 role and then to actually inflict sexual 434 00:11:06,390 --> 00:11:08,920 435 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:12,280 torturous sexual behavior taunting 436 00:11:08,910 --> 00:11:12,280 437 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:14,920 choking um threats to that individual um 438 00:11:12,270 --> 00:11:14,920 439 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:17,800 who would generally speaking in many 440 00:11:14,910 --> 00:11:17,800 441 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:21,200 occasions not report 442 00:11:17,790 --> 00:11:21,200 443 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:24,440 this but teller did report his 444 00:11:21,190 --> 00:11:24,440 445 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:26,480 ordeal and other boys would 446 00:11:24,430 --> 00:11:26,480 447 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:29,600 follow gasy was 448 00:11:26,470 --> 00:11:29,600 449 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:31,720 arrested the 26-year-old family man and 450 00:11:29,590 --> 00:11:31,720 451 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:34,360 bright light of the community was 452 00:11:31,710 --> 00:11:34,360 453 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:36,920 charged with sodomy and sentenced to 10 454 00:11:34,350 --> 00:11:36,920 455 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,920 years in 457 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,960 Anamosa it's a high-walled 458 00:11:42,870 --> 00:11:44,960 459 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:47,120 institution there are armed guards on 460 00:11:44,950 --> 00:11:47,120 461 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:50,960 the towers and very restricted movement 462 00:11:47,110 --> 00:11:50,960 463 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:53,600 inside the compound of the prison fellow 464 00:11:50,950 --> 00:11:53,600 465 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:56,800 inmate Ray Cornell became gas's close 466 00:11:53,590 --> 00:11:56,800 467 00:11:53,600 --> 00:12:00,160 friend it was rigorous as prison I think 468 00:11:56,790 --> 00:12:00,160 469 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:02,560 should be it was dangerous there were 470 00:12:00,150 --> 00:12:02,560 471 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,640 numerous murder attempts while I was 472 00:12:02,550 --> 00:12:04,640 473 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:07,200 serving the two years that I was there 474 00:12:04,630 --> 00:12:07,200 475 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:10,880 on at least one occasion I witnessed a 476 00:12:07,190 --> 00:12:10,880 477 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:12,560 person stabbed to death was not a very 478 00:12:10,870 --> 00:12:12,560 479 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:15,920 nice place to 480 00:12:12,550 --> 00:12:15,920 481 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:18,400 be a convicted homosexual sex 482 00:12:15,910 --> 00:12:18,400 483 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:21,240 offender gasy should have been high on 484 00:12:18,390 --> 00:12:21,240 485 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,240 the prison Hit 487 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:28,600 List John told everyone that he was 488 00:12:25,350 --> 00:12:28,600 489 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:31,360 serving time for showing pornographic 490 00:12:28,590 --> 00:12:31,360 491 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:34,800 movies to teenage 492 00:12:31,350 --> 00:12:34,800 493 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:37,160 boys John was very careful never to 494 00:12:34,790 --> 00:12:37,160 495 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:40,200 reveal in the fact that he in fact was 496 00:12:37,150 --> 00:12:40,200 497 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:43,720 in there for molesting or attempting to 498 00:12:40,190 --> 00:12:43,720 499 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,720 molest uh teenage 501 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:50,040 boys with the truth behind his crimes 502 00:12:47,470 --> 00:12:50,040 503 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:52,600 successfully hidden gasy showed the same 504 00:12:50,030 --> 00:12:52,600 505 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,680 ambitious streak as he had as a free man 506 00:12:52,590 --> 00:12:54,680 507 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:57,600 only this time he was striving to be a 508 00:12:54,670 --> 00:12:57,600 509 00:12:54,680 --> 00:13:00,360 pillar of a very different 510 00:12:57,590 --> 00:13:00,360 511 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:02,040 Community Richard navely was a prison 512 00:13:00,350 --> 00:13:02,040 513 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:05,160 counselor at the time he came into 514 00:13:02,030 --> 00:13:05,160 515 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:06,840 contact with inmate gasy he had a small 516 00:13:05,150 --> 00:13:06,840 517 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,920 little sign that he wore that was very 518 00:13:06,830 --> 00:13:08,920 519 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:12,560 much like the name tags that the 520 00:13:08,910 --> 00:13:12,560 521 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:15,080 employees wore which said John gasy 522 00:13:12,550 --> 00:13:15,080 523 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:17,280 first cook and you're a man of some 524 00:13:15,070 --> 00:13:17,280 525 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:21,000 Authority here what what is your title 526 00:13:17,270 --> 00:13:21,000 527 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:23,360 well I'm first cook in the kitchen and I 528 00:13:20,990 --> 00:13:23,360 529 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,520 run the uh the morning meal and the 530 00:13:23,350 --> 00:13:25,520 531 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:28,240 afternoon meal in the kitchen John how 532 00:13:25,510 --> 00:13:28,240 533 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:31,520 long you been here I've been here now a 534 00:13:28,230 --> 00:13:31,520 535 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:34,400 year and about 2 weeks he kind of got 536 00:13:31,510 --> 00:13:34,400 537 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:38,360 himself ingratiated uh into the system 538 00:13:34,390 --> 00:13:38,360 539 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:40,920 uh he was very uh uh responsible very 540 00:13:38,350 --> 00:13:40,920 541 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:42,320 adult in his style he was older than the 542 00:13:40,910 --> 00:13:42,320 543 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:47,320 average 544 00:13:42,310 --> 00:13:47,320 545 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:50,280 inmate he was able to try to develop a 546 00:13:47,310 --> 00:13:50,280 547 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:53,680 position and uh he was pretty successful 548 00:13:50,270 --> 00:13:53,680 549 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,680 in in in doing 551 00:13:54,880 --> 00:14:00,280 that but his friend Ray Cornell 552 00:13:57,870 --> 00:14:00,280 553 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:02,560 witnessed another site John Wayne gasy 554 00:14:00,270 --> 00:14:02,560 555 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:06,280 during an encounter with an openly gay 556 00:14:02,550 --> 00:14:06,280 557 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:06,280 convict known as Mr 559 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:12,280 connect Mr connect and some of his 560 00:14:09,110 --> 00:14:12,280 561 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:15,920 friends were in the lower yard of the 562 00:14:12,270 --> 00:14:15,920 563 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:20,440 prison playing basketball and the ball 564 00:14:15,910 --> 00:14:20,440 565 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:23,160 got loose and went rolling past 566 00:14:20,430 --> 00:14:23,160 567 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:27,080 John and John got the ball and threw it 568 00:14:23,150 --> 00:14:27,080 569 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:30,040 as hard as he could and connect not 570 00:14:27,070 --> 00:14:30,040 571 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:32,920 showing a lot of good judgment uh then 572 00:14:30,030 --> 00:14:32,920 573 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:37,080 said missed me missed me now you got to 574 00:14:32,910 --> 00:14:37,080 575 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:40,920 kiss me and John went after 576 00:14:37,070 --> 00:14:40,920 577 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:43,720 it just for a second I think I saw just 578 00:14:40,910 --> 00:14:43,720 579 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:45,880 a glimpse of what his victims saw at the 580 00:14:43,710 --> 00:14:45,880 581 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:48,880 end of their lives because he had every 582 00:14:45,870 --> 00:14:48,880 583 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:51,760 intention of going after Gary connect 584 00:14:48,870 --> 00:14:51,760 585 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:55,600 and hurting him badly or killing 586 00:14:51,750 --> 00:14:55,600 587 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,600 him I think I saw the 589 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:04,480 monster at Christmas 19 1969 gasy 590 00:15:00,990 --> 00:15:04,480 591 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,480 received news that would affect him 593 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,720 profoundly we were sitting in the lower 594 00:15:06,670 --> 00:15:08,720 595 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:11,080 yard in the card playing area when a 596 00:15:08,710 --> 00:15:11,080 597 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:14,280 guard came down and got John and took 598 00:15:11,070 --> 00:15:14,280 599 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:16,040 him up to the security office gas's 600 00:15:14,270 --> 00:15:16,040 601 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,480 father had died from 602 00:15:16,030 --> 00:15:18,480 603 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:20,560 therosis and the authorities were not to 604 00:15:18,470 --> 00:15:20,560 605 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,520 permit him to attend the funeral when I 606 00:15:20,550 --> 00:15:22,520 607 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:28,800 saw him again the following morning in 608 00:15:22,510 --> 00:15:28,800 609 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:28,800 the chow hall um he was a wreck 611 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:37,480 he requested permission to visit his 612 00:15:33,630 --> 00:15:37,480 613 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:40,680 father and I I suppose make amends with 614 00:15:37,470 --> 00:15:40,680 615 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:43,560 him my suspicion is that uh when his 616 00:15:40,670 --> 00:15:43,560 617 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:45,520 father died that was difficult because 618 00:15:43,550 --> 00:15:45,520 619 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:48,080 uh what it means is that you can never 620 00:15:45,510 --> 00:15:48,080 621 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:50,120 repair this 622 00:15:48,070 --> 00:15:50,120 623 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,920 relationship people always want the 624 00:15:50,110 --> 00:15:51,920 625 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:54,360 approval of their parents no matter how 626 00:15:51,910 --> 00:15:54,360 627 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,360 old they 629 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:02,440 are he talked about his father 630 00:15:59,510 --> 00:16:02,440 631 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:06,680 over the next several days and he also 632 00:16:02,430 --> 00:16:06,680 633 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:09,440 talked about how deeply hurt he was at 634 00:16:06,670 --> 00:16:09,440 635 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:12,320 the fact that he would not be going over 636 00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:12,320 637 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:15,960 to Chicago to see his father 638 00:16:12,310 --> 00:16:15,960 639 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:18,200 buried but in 1970 less than 2 years 640 00:16:15,950 --> 00:16:18,200 641 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:21,240 after his conviction gas's Model 642 00:16:18,190 --> 00:16:21,240 643 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:23,280 Behavior paid off you mind my asking how 644 00:16:21,230 --> 00:16:23,280 645 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:25,280 long do you plan to take up residence 646 00:16:23,270 --> 00:16:25,280 647 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,560 here well I hope to be getting out 648 00:16:25,270 --> 00:16:27,560 649 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:30,640 sometime in May well 650 00:16:27,550 --> 00:16:30,640 651 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:33,120 good well since interesting about gas's 652 00:16:30,630 --> 00:16:33,120 653 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:36,120 prison experiences as a result of the 654 00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:36,120 655 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:38,480 sodomy charges is firstly he's released 656 00:16:36,110 --> 00:16:38,480 657 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,880 very quickly his sentence was 10 years 658 00:16:38,470 --> 00:16:40,880 659 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:43,560 he was out after 18 months he was able 660 00:16:40,870 --> 00:16:43,560 661 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:46,560 to convince people that his behavior 662 00:16:43,550 --> 00:16:46,560 663 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:50,080 wouldn't be repeated but within that 18 664 00:16:46,550 --> 00:16:50,080 665 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:53,000 months he rises to the top of the prison 666 00:16:50,070 --> 00:16:53,000 667 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:55,440 hierarchy despite the fact as a sex 668 00:16:52,990 --> 00:16:55,440 669 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:58,640 offender one would have expected him to 670 00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:58,640 671 00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:00,880 be at the bottom of the prison hierarchy 672 00:16:58,630 --> 00:17:00,880 673 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:05,160 so so what we're seeing here is the 674 00:17:00,870 --> 00:17:05,160 675 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:08,000 skills that actually underly gas's uh 676 00:17:05,150 --> 00:17:08,000 677 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:11,160 Behavior over a long period of time 678 00:17:07,990 --> 00:17:11,160 679 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:14,120 skills that allow other people to gain 680 00:17:11,150 --> 00:17:14,120 681 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:18,000 confidence in him to see him as 682 00:17:14,110 --> 00:17:18,000 683 00:17:14,120 --> 00:17:21,280 responsible to see him as trustworthy of 684 00:17:17,990 --> 00:17:21,280 685 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:26,640 course ultimately he would abuse that 686 00:17:21,270 --> 00:17:26,640 687 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:26,640 responsibility he'd abuse that trust 689 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:35,600 in 1970 gasy now divorced returned to 690 00:17:32,910 --> 00:17:35,600 691 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:37,320 his home City of Chicago eventually 692 00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:37,320 693 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,080 settling into the quiet Suburban 694 00:17:37,310 --> 00:17:39,080 695 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:42,520 neighborhood of 696 00:17:39,070 --> 00:17:42,520 697 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:44,640 Norwood leaving his past in Iowa gasy 698 00:17:42,510 --> 00:17:44,640 699 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:47,200 continued his Ambitions to be seen as an 700 00:17:44,630 --> 00:17:47,200 701 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:50,440 important valued pillar of the local 702 00:17:47,190 --> 00:17:50,440 703 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:52,680 community he married divorce Carol Hoff 704 00:17:50,430 --> 00:17:52,680 705 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:56,280 and she and her two children moved into 706 00:17:52,670 --> 00:17:56,280 707 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:59,680 his home there was an indomitable spirit 708 00:17:56,270 --> 00:17:59,680 709 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:02,120 in gayy he really did think he was 710 00:17:59,670 --> 00:18:02,120 711 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:04,840 beginning to become invulnerable and 712 00:18:02,110 --> 00:18:04,840 713 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:07,120 that he could rise again and simply 714 00:18:04,830 --> 00:18:07,120 715 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:09,080 getting married was just another 716 00:18:07,110 --> 00:18:09,080 717 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:11,080 strategic plan as far as gasy was 718 00:18:09,070 --> 00:18:11,080 719 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:13,640 concerned there was no real sexual 720 00:18:11,070 --> 00:18:13,640 721 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:16,600 intent in this marriage it was 722 00:18:13,630 --> 00:18:16,600 723 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:20,760 convenience as in Iowa gase's image as 724 00:18:16,590 --> 00:18:20,760 725 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,760 the perfect Suburban neighbor was a mere 727 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:29,200 facade in 1971 he was charged by Chicago 728 00:18:26,590 --> 00:18:29,200 729 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:31,120 Police with disorderly conduct after a 730 00:18:29,190 --> 00:18:31,120 731 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,040 teenage boy complained that gasy had 732 00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:33,040 733 00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:35,000 picked him up at a bus station and 734 00:18:33,030 --> 00:18:35,000 735 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:37,640 forced him to commit a sexual 736 00:18:34,990 --> 00:18:37,640 737 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:40,120 act the case was dropped when the boy 738 00:18:37,630 --> 00:18:40,120 739 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:43,840 failed to appear in 740 00:18:40,110 --> 00:18:43,840 741 00:18:40,120 --> 00:18:46,320 court in 1972 gasy was charged with 742 00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:46,320 743 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:48,800 battery when a young man complained he 744 00:18:46,310 --> 00:18:48,800 745 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:50,320 had been forced to perform oral sex 746 00:18:48,790 --> 00:18:50,320 747 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:55,360 after gasy had told him he was a 748 00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:55,360 749 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:55,360 sheriff's deputy the case never went to 751 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:01,160 trial Timothy Jack McCoy was just 50 752 00:18:58,950 --> 00:19:01,160 753 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:03,720 years old when he was picked up by gasy 754 00:19:01,150 --> 00:19:03,720 755 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:06,600 at a Chicago bus station in 756 00:19:03,710 --> 00:19:06,600 757 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:09,520 1972 after spending the night together 758 00:19:06,590 --> 00:19:09,520 759 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:11,720 gasey stabbed him to death gasy would 760 00:19:09,510 --> 00:19:11,720 761 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,480 later claim the killing was accidental 762 00:19:11,710 --> 00:19:13,480 763 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:16,080 and in 764 00:19:13,470 --> 00:19:16,080 765 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:18,080 self-defense many murderers commit a 766 00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:18,080 767 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:20,440 murder because of the force of 768 00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:20,440 769 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:23,280 particular circumstances at a particular 770 00:19:20,430 --> 00:19:23,280 771 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:25,440 point in their life but crucially the 772 00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:25,440 773 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,800 vast majority of murderers are 774 00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:27,800 775 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:30,640 overwhelmed psychologically by the fact 776 00:19:27,790 --> 00:19:30,640 777 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,280 they've taken another person's life and 778 00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:32,280 779 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:35,880 they never want to repeat that 780 00:19:32,270 --> 00:19:35,880 781 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:38,920 experience because they understand how 782 00:19:35,870 --> 00:19:38,920 783 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:40,840 difficult that has been not just for the 784 00:19:38,910 --> 00:19:40,840 785 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:43,600 victim for the victim's family but also 786 00:19:40,830 --> 00:19:43,600 787 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:46,200 for themselves sadly a small number of 788 00:19:43,590 --> 00:19:46,200 789 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:48,160 murderers want to continue to behave 790 00:19:46,190 --> 00:19:48,160 791 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:53,120 like that because they found that 792 00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:53,120 793 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:57,320 experience visceral vital exciting 794 00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:57,320 795 00:19:53,120 --> 00:20:00,640 sexy gasy had his first taste of murder 796 00:19:57,310 --> 00:20:00,640 797 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,640 it would be far from his love 799 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:19,040 in 1970 after serving time in prison for 800 00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:19,040 801 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:21,160 molesting teenage boys John Wayne gasy 802 00:20:19,030 --> 00:20:21,160 803 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,560 remarried and began building a new life 804 00:20:21,150 --> 00:20:22,560 805 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,200 in 806 00:20:22,550 --> 00:20:25,200 807 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:30,120 Chicago but his image as a loving family 808 00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:30,120 809 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:31,200 man and generous neighbor was a sham 810 00:20:30,110 --> 00:20:31,200 811 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:34,080 in 812 00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:34,080 813 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:38,320 1972 he'd picked up 15-year-old Timothy 814 00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:38,320 815 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:38,320 McCoy for sex and killed 817 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,440 him gasy would not be arrested for the 818 00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:46,440 819 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,680 murder of the 820 00:20:46,430 --> 00:20:48,680 821 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:52,080 teenager as far as the rest of the world 822 00:20:48,670 --> 00:20:52,080 823 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:55,000 was concerned the 15-year-old had simply 824 00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:55,000 825 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:57,400 disappeared and to the local community 826 00:20:54,990 --> 00:20:57,400 827 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,240 John Wayne gasey seemed ever more the 828 00:20:57,390 --> 00:20:59,240 829 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,160 perfect Suburban neighbor 830 00:20:59,230 --> 00:21:01,160 831 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,280 The Neighbors on the black liked him he 832 00:21:01,150 --> 00:21:03,280 833 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:06,400 was a he was a very friendly man he 834 00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:06,400 835 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:09,800 would give these tremendous uh outside 836 00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:09,800 837 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:12,600 parties for 100 to 200 838 00:21:09,790 --> 00:21:12,600 839 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:14,800 people gasy regularly entertained his 840 00:21:12,590 --> 00:21:14,800 841 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:18,040 neighbors by dressing up as a clown and 842 00:21:14,790 --> 00:21:18,040 843 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:21,600 Performing magic tricks gasy was the 844 00:21:18,030 --> 00:21:21,600 845 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:23,240 kind of person that not knowing how evil 846 00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:23,240 847 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,520 he was you would like to have him in 848 00:21:23,230 --> 00:21:25,520 849 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,880 your community he was active in the JC's 850 00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:27,880 851 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:30,280 which is the junior Chamber of Commerce 852 00:21:27,870 --> 00:21:30,280 853 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:33,360 and he was a volunteer for the political 854 00:21:30,270 --> 00:21:33,360 855 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:38,320 party of his choice and he was very well 856 00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:38,320 857 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:38,320 thought of in a very small world of his 859 00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:47,240 [Music] 860 00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:47,240 861 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:49,400 community in 1974 gasy established his 862 00:21:47,230 --> 00:21:49,400 863 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:51,920 own painting decorating and construction 864 00:21:49,390 --> 00:21:51,920 865 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:54,600 business hiring a string of young men to 866 00:21:51,910 --> 00:21:54,600 867 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,880 carry out the work his Charisma and 868 00:21:54,590 --> 00:21:56,880 869 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:59,320 bravado ensured there was no shortage of 870 00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:59,320 871 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,560 potential employees 872 00:21:59,310 --> 00:22:01,560 873 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:04,160 the boys knew John Wayne gasy he was a 874 00:22:01,550 --> 00:22:04,160 875 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:07,120 big name in town and when he walked in 876 00:22:04,150 --> 00:22:07,120 877 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:09,360 he was John he had the big car outside 878 00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:09,360 879 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:11,680 he had the money everybody knew he he 880 00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:11,680 881 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:14,600 was wealthy he had a big business and 882 00:22:11,670 --> 00:22:14,600 883 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:17,480 when he approached boys that were 14 15 884 00:22:14,590 --> 00:22:17,480 885 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:20,280 16 years old making minimum wage and he 886 00:22:17,470 --> 00:22:20,280 887 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:23,160 was promising them almost double salary 888 00:22:20,270 --> 00:22:23,160 889 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:25,840 just to to work in a construction site 890 00:22:23,150 --> 00:22:25,840 891 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:28,600 and help them build uh these boys jumped 892 00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:28,600 893 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:30,480 jumped at the chance gase is upair 894 00:22:28,590 --> 00:22:30,480 895 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,600 standing image as generous neighbor 896 00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:32,600 897 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,640 successful businessman and do gooder in 898 00:22:32,590 --> 00:22:34,640 899 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:37,800 the community meant his motives for 900 00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:37,800 901 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:40,360 employing many of the young men went 902 00:22:37,790 --> 00:22:40,360 903 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:43,400 undiscovered I find it very interesting 904 00:22:40,350 --> 00:22:43,400 905 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:46,120 that people have a Hollywood image of 906 00:22:43,390 --> 00:22:46,120 907 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:49,200 the serial killer as being this rather 908 00:22:46,110 --> 00:22:49,200 909 00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:52,920 scary man that's going to pop up from 910 00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:52,920 911 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:54,760 behind a bush and attack and kill 912 00:22:52,910 --> 00:22:54,760 913 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,280 whereas in fact serial killers by and 914 00:22:54,750 --> 00:22:57,280 915 00:22:54,760 --> 00:23:00,400 large are very well socialized into 916 00:22:57,270 --> 00:23:00,400 917 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:02,880 their community often holding down very 918 00:23:00,390 --> 00:23:02,880 919 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:05,160 responsible jobs within the community 920 00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:05,160 921 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,840 often seen as being pillars of the 922 00:23:05,150 --> 00:23:07,840 923 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:10,840 community and indeed gasy is almost 924 00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:10,840 925 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:15,040 living out a fantasy that he must have 926 00:23:10,830 --> 00:23:15,040 927 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:17,240 had about being a pillar of the 928 00:23:15,030 --> 00:23:17,240 929 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:21,360 community so here's somebody living out 930 00:23:17,230 --> 00:23:21,360 931 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:24,600 the fantasy of normality albeit all the 932 00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:24,600 933 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:28,200 time we know he's also a closet 934 00:23:24,590 --> 00:23:28,200 935 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:32,600 homosexual who's engaging in sodomy with 936 00:23:28,190 --> 00:23:32,600 937 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:35,600 young men that he's able to convince to 938 00:23:32,590 --> 00:23:35,600 939 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:38,320 engage in sexual activity with him 940 00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:38,320 941 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,200 perhaps through the status that he had 942 00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:40,200 943 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:43,200 buying those sexual 944 00:23:40,190 --> 00:23:43,200 945 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:45,680 Services by the mid-70s behind closed 946 00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:45,680 947 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:48,120 doors gas's wife began complaining of 948 00:23:45,670 --> 00:23:48,120 949 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,640 his violent mood swings he'd lost 950 00:23:48,110 --> 00:23:50,640 951 00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:53,440 interest in marital sex and was keeping 952 00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:53,440 953 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:56,320 homosexual pornography around the house 954 00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:56,320 955 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:59,800 she divorced him and moved 956 00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:59,800 957 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:01,920 out gasy began activ cruising Chicago's 958 00:23:59,790 --> 00:24:01,920 959 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:04,880 city streets looking to pick up young 960 00:24:01,910 --> 00:24:04,880 961 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:07,360 men from gay districts known pickup 962 00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:07,360 963 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,560 spots and areas where waes and Strays 964 00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:09,560 965 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:09,560 would 967 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:17,120 congregate gasi was able to actually use 968 00:24:13,550 --> 00:24:17,120 969 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:19,800 one of his roles that of a pseudo police 970 00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:19,800 971 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:22,160 officer he had the wherewithal in terms 972 00:24:19,790 --> 00:24:22,160 973 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,360 of you know a radio and he would often 974 00:24:22,150 --> 00:24:24,360 975 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,680 hide behind a badge and have you know 976 00:24:24,350 --> 00:24:26,680 977 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:29,680 bits of what looked like police 978 00:24:26,670 --> 00:24:29,680 979 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,680 paraphernalia 981 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:36,600 he would pick them up here cruising the 982 00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:36,600 983 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:39,080 streets in a car that had a very large 984 00:24:36,590 --> 00:24:39,080 985 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:41,360 light on it as the police often did and 986 00:24:39,070 --> 00:24:41,360 987 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:44,120 he would be able to stop people using 988 00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:44,120 989 00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:46,320 that as if he were a police officer 990 00:24:44,110 --> 00:24:46,320 991 00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:48,840 picking up Strays taking them home 992 00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:48,840 993 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:53,320 torturing 994 00:24:48,830 --> 00:24:53,320 995 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:55,640 them in 1975 boys began 996 00:24:53,310 --> 00:24:55,640 997 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:59,040 disappearing some had been selling sex 998 00:24:55,630 --> 00:24:59,040 999 00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:00,280 on the streets some were young Runaways 1000 00:24:59,030 --> 00:25:00,280 1001 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,960 some were connected with his 1002 00:25:00,270 --> 00:25:03,960 1003 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:06,560 construction business gas's technique of 1004 00:25:03,950 --> 00:25:06,560 1005 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:08,520 of charming and disarming his um victims 1006 00:25:06,550 --> 00:25:08,520 1007 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,640 was pretty much similar to the way that 1008 00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:10,640 1009 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:13,600 he actually engaged um people in a 1010 00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:13,600 1011 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:16,680 legitimate business way he would keep 1012 00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:16,680 1013 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,960 them entertained with his verbal Rapport 1014 00:25:16,670 --> 00:25:18,960 1015 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:21,600 and be able to actually charm them 1016 00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:21,600 1017 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:24,280 quickly and rapidly into situations that 1018 00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:24,280 1019 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:26,840 they could not escape from and once he 1020 00:25:24,270 --> 00:25:26,840 1021 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:29,560 had got them into a position where he 1022 00:25:26,830 --> 00:25:29,560 1023 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:32,360 felt that he was totally power he would 1024 00:25:29,550 --> 00:25:32,360 1025 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:35,520 change he would change very quickly and 1026 00:25:32,350 --> 00:25:35,520 1027 00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:40,520 the twinkl of an eye he would become the 1028 00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:40,520 1029 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:40,520 commanding frightening torturous 1031 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,040 monster the young men would frequently 1032 00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:47,040 1033 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,520 be 1034 00:25:47,030 --> 00:25:50,520 1035 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:53,240 drugged handcuffed subjected to repeated 1036 00:25:50,510 --> 00:25:53,240 1037 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:55,440 rapes and terrifying ordeals of 1038 00:25:53,230 --> 00:25:55,440 1039 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,760 torture then they would be 1040 00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:57,760 1041 00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:00,680 strangled he always picked the kind of 1042 00:25:57,750 --> 00:26:00,680 1043 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:04,360 attractive guy that he could never be 1044 00:26:00,670 --> 00:26:04,360 1045 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:06,320 himself um but these individuals became 1046 00:26:04,350 --> 00:26:06,320 1047 00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:08,440 less individualistic as far as he's 1048 00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:08,440 1049 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:11,160 concerned they became more and more 1050 00:26:08,430 --> 00:26:11,160 1051 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:13,800 objects mean the more they became simply 1052 00:26:11,150 --> 00:26:13,800 1053 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:17,120 objects for him to do with as he wished 1054 00:26:13,790 --> 00:26:17,120 1055 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:20,960 the more horrific and torturous their 1056 00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:20,960 1057 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:20,960 experience was within his 1059 00:26:21,850 --> 00:26:28,760 [Music] 1060 00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:28,760 1061 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:31,680 company gasy seems to me to fall into to 1062 00:26:28,750 --> 00:26:31,680 1063 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:33,720 the criteria of the hedonistic serial 1064 00:26:31,670 --> 00:26:33,720 1065 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,960 killer in other words the person who 1066 00:26:33,710 --> 00:26:36,960 1067 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:39,160 kills simply for the sexual thrill of 1068 00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:39,160 1069 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:42,840 killing in particular strangling his 1070 00:26:39,150 --> 00:26:42,840 1071 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:45,600 young victims and sodomizing 1072 00:26:42,830 --> 00:26:45,600 1073 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:47,680 them rumors circulated amongst the gay 1074 00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:47,680 1075 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,280 community about the dangers of a large 1076 00:26:47,670 --> 00:26:50,280 1077 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,680 man with a liking for violent sadistic 1078 00:26:50,270 --> 00:26:52,680 1079 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,800 sex but despite an ever increasing 1080 00:26:52,670 --> 00:26:54,800 1081 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,960 number of Disappearing young men they 1082 00:26:54,790 --> 00:26:56,960 1083 00:26:54,800 --> 00:27:00,120 were simply assumed to have left town or 1084 00:26:56,950 --> 00:27:00,120 1085 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:02,160 run away with no bodies discovered they 1086 00:27:00,110 --> 00:27:02,160 1087 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:04,480 were chalked up as just another of the 1088 00:27:02,150 --> 00:27:04,480 1089 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,920 thousands of missing persons reported in 1090 00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:05,920 1091 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:09,840 the city each 1092 00:27:05,910 --> 00:27:09,840 1093 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:13,120 year the police tend to call young kids 1094 00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:13,120 1095 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:15,360 of that kind blue dross they tend to 1096 00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:15,360 1097 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:18,600 call them that as a way of saying they 1098 00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:18,600 1099 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:21,280 don't matter as much as kids from a 1100 00:27:18,590 --> 00:27:21,280 1101 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:24,480 normal background so we don't give them 1102 00:27:21,270 --> 00:27:24,480 1103 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:28,440 as much attention we also know because 1104 00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:28,440 1105 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:30,720 of their um sexuality that often that 1106 00:27:28,430 --> 00:27:30,720 1107 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:35,800 means the police don't take enough 1108 00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:35,800 1109 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:38,480 notice of the uh violence in uh gay 1110 00:27:35,790 --> 00:27:38,480 1111 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,480 men's 1113 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:46,960 lives even when police were alerted to 1114 00:27:42,390 --> 00:27:46,960 1115 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,960 gas's sadistic Behavior they failed to 1117 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:55,120 act on a night in March 1118 00:27:51,710 --> 00:27:55,120 1119 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:57,520 1978 27-year-old Jeffrey Ral was lured 1120 00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:57,520 1121 00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:59,160 into gase's car by his offer to share a 1122 00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:59,160 1123 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,720 joint 1124 00:27:59,150 --> 00:28:01,720 1125 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:04,040 he was chloroformed driven to gas's 1126 00:28:01,710 --> 00:28:04,040 1127 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,280 house and subjected to prolonged 1128 00:28:04,030 --> 00:28:06,280 1129 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:09,400 agonizing sexual 1130 00:28:06,270 --> 00:28:09,400 1131 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:11,920 torture after being repeatedly drugged 1132 00:28:09,390 --> 00:28:11,920 1133 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:15,440 he eventually awoke sprawled under a 1134 00:28:11,910 --> 00:28:15,440 1135 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:19,480 statue in Chicago's Lincoln Park despite 1136 00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:19,480 1137 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:23,480 reporting the incident gasy remained at 1138 00:28:19,470 --> 00:28:23,480 1139 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:26,800 large gas's protection from 1140 00:28:23,470 --> 00:28:26,800 1141 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:29,440 investigation and prosecution was this 1142 00:28:26,790 --> 00:28:29,440 1143 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:32,240 established good good citizen that he'd 1144 00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:32,240 1145 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,840 managed to fabricate in the community 1146 00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:33,840 1147 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,640 where he felt to some degree he was 1148 00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:35,640 1149 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,440 pretty much invulnerable from 1150 00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:38,440 1151 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,360 accusations from Young lads who were 1152 00:28:38,430 --> 00:28:40,360 1153 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,960 probably not thought of very well in the 1154 00:28:40,350 --> 00:28:42,960 1155 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:45,520 community he also knew that it was 1156 00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:45,520 1157 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:48,880 pretty difficult for someone to make 1158 00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:48,880 1159 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:51,120 accusations uh of homosexual nature and 1160 00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:51,120 1161 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:54,000 of of someone who would suddenly want to 1162 00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:54,000 1163 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,840 torture someone this was out of context 1164 00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:55,840 1165 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,560 particularly out of context given his 1166 00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:58,560 1167 00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:01,040 standing 1168 00:28:58,550 --> 00:29:01,040 1169 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:03,480 but John Wayne gasy was about to make a 1170 00:29:01,030 --> 00:29:03,480 1171 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,480 fatal 1173 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:10,520 mistake when gayy stopped targeting 1174 00:29:07,550 --> 00:29:10,520 1175 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:13,720 young gay homeless men who weren't 1176 00:29:10,510 --> 00:29:13,720 1177 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:16,640 really part of the community but instead 1178 00:29:13,710 --> 00:29:16,640 1179 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:19,400 targeted Robert Past who was an 1180 00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:19,400 1181 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,160 All-American high school kid with a good 1182 00:29:19,390 --> 00:29:21,160 1183 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,560 family who were going to report him as 1184 00:29:21,150 --> 00:29:23,560 1185 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:26,160 missing who were going to say how is the 1186 00:29:23,550 --> 00:29:26,160 1187 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:28,960 police investigation going it was only 1188 00:29:26,150 --> 00:29:28,960 1189 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:32,960 by choosing that type of victim that 1190 00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:32,960 1191 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,960 really was the unraveling of 1193 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,400 gay 15-year-old Robert past was 1194 00:29:36,430 --> 00:29:38,400 1195 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,960 considered the archetypal cleancut 1196 00:29:38,390 --> 00:29:39,960 1197 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,880 All-American 1198 00:29:39,950 --> 00:29:42,880 1199 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,760 boy popular with his peers and loved by 1200 00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:44,760 1201 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,760 his close 1202 00:29:44,750 --> 00:29:47,760 1203 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:50,560 family on December the 11th 1204 00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:50,560 1205 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:53,280 1978 he was working his regular job in a 1206 00:29:50,550 --> 00:29:53,280 1207 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,320 pharmacy saving money towards 1208 00:29:53,270 --> 00:29:55,320 1209 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,600 College he was looking forward to 1210 00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:56,600 1211 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,490 joining his mother's birthday 1212 00:29:56,590 --> 00:29:58,490 1213 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:01,590 celebrations that evening 1214 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,590 1215 00:29:58,490 --> 00:30:01,590 [Music] 1217 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:07,120 when she came to collect him at 9:00 1218 00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:07,120 1219 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,560 p.m. he asked her to wait for a moment 1220 00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:08,560 1221 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,240 while he went to talk to a man who was 1222 00:30:08,550 --> 00:30:11,240 1223 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:13,080 in the parking lot about an offer of a 1224 00:30:11,230 --> 00:30:13,080 1225 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,760 construction 1226 00:30:13,070 --> 00:30:15,760 1227 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:19,400 job he did not 1228 00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:19,400 1229 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:23,560 return chief of detectives Joseph 1230 00:30:19,390 --> 00:30:23,560 1231 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,560 kenak received the missing person's 1233 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:28,600 report this is where Robert pce worked 1234 00:30:26,510 --> 00:30:28,600 1235 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,400 the boy's mother came came here to pick 1236 00:30:28,590 --> 00:30:31,400 1237 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:34,760 him up and when she arrived the boy told 1238 00:30:31,390 --> 00:30:34,760 1239 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:37,120 her that he wanted her to wait inside so 1240 00:30:34,750 --> 00:30:37,120 1241 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:40,400 he could go outside to talk to someone 1242 00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:40,400 1243 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:44,360 about summer work and once the boy went 1244 00:30:40,390 --> 00:30:44,360 1245 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,360 out the the front door he was never seen 1247 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:52,080 again the owners of the 1248 00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:52,080 1249 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:55,400 drugstore told us that they had a 1250 00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:55,400 1251 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:58,040 contractor who was to do repair work 1252 00:30:55,390 --> 00:30:58,040 1253 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,800 inside of their their Pharmacy they 1254 00:30:58,030 --> 00:30:59,800 1255 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:03,000 supplied us with some information 1256 00:30:59,790 --> 00:31:03,000 1257 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,840 pertaining to his telephone number and 1258 00:31:02,990 --> 00:31:04,840 1259 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:08,440 through the phone number we were able to 1260 00:31:04,830 --> 00:31:08,440 1261 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:10,840 determine his full name and 1262 00:31:08,430 --> 00:31:10,840 1263 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:15,600 address and that's that's the first time 1264 00:31:10,830 --> 00:31:15,600 1265 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:15,600 we ever knew the name John Wayne 1267 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,560 gas detectives headed to the 1268 00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:22,560 1269 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,480 businessman's home to question him 1270 00:31:22,550 --> 00:31:24,480 1271 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:29,000 hoping they would find the missing 1272 00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:29,000 1273 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:29,000 15-year-old safe and unharmed 1275 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:39,040 Casey had a diamond shaped window in his 1276 00:31:36,150 --> 00:31:39,040 1277 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:42,600 front door and the front part of his 1278 00:31:39,030 --> 00:31:42,600 1279 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:45,680 house was dark but there was a street 1280 00:31:42,590 --> 00:31:45,680 1281 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:49,440 lamp on the sidewalk in front of his 1282 00:31:45,670 --> 00:31:49,440 1283 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:52,160 residence and as uh I stood in front of 1284 00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:52,160 1285 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,040 his door knocking on it uh with the 1286 00:31:52,150 --> 00:31:54,040 1287 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:57,720 reflection of the light into the window 1288 00:31:54,030 --> 00:31:57,720 1289 00:31:54,040 --> 00:32:00,760 I could see a face staring back at us 1290 00:31:57,710 --> 00:32:00,760 1291 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:03,080 [Music] 1292 00:32:00,750 --> 00:32:03,080 1293 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:05,440 then the face faded in into the darkness 1294 00:32:03,070 --> 00:32:05,440 1295 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,440 of the 1297 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,640 house and as we walked along the side of 1298 00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:12,640 1299 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,920 the house and looked inside of a window 1300 00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:15,920 1301 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:19,840 we could see Casey sitting in a chair 1302 00:32:15,910 --> 00:32:19,840 1303 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,840 watching television drinking a 1305 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:26,400 beer it was an uncomfortable feeling 1306 00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:26,400 1307 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:28,440 being inside his residence and he 1308 00:32:26,390 --> 00:32:28,440 1309 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,320 was uh 1310 00:32:28,430 --> 00:32:30,320 1311 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:34,200 belligerent uh 1312 00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:34,200 1313 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:35,480 uncooperative and seemed too uh he 1314 00:32:34,190 --> 00:32:35,480 1315 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,080 seemed 1316 00:32:35,470 --> 00:32:38,080 1317 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:40,320 nervous suspecting gasy knew more than 1318 00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:40,320 1319 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,120 he was revealing detectives obtained a 1320 00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:42,120 1321 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,240 search warrant and discovered a 1322 00:32:42,110 --> 00:32:44,240 1323 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:47,240 concealed void beneath the 1324 00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:47,240 1325 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:50,600 house the crawl space was actually 1326 00:32:47,230 --> 00:32:50,600 1327 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:53,320 hidden by a secret trap door in a closet 1328 00:32:50,590 --> 00:32:53,320 1329 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:56,000 and one of my investigators found that 1330 00:32:53,310 --> 00:32:56,000 1331 00:32:53,320 --> 00:33:00,160 and pointed that out to 1332 00:32:55,990 --> 00:33:00,160 1333 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:02,840 me we took a a screwdriver into a little 1334 00:33:00,150 --> 00:33:02,840 1335 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:05,840 crack in the floor and PRI it up and 1336 00:33:02,830 --> 00:33:05,840 1337 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,560 when we did the whole floor lifted up 1338 00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:07,560 1339 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,720 and that led us into the crawl space and 1340 00:33:07,550 --> 00:33:09,720 1341 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,960 I went down there with a flashlight and 1342 00:33:09,710 --> 00:33:12,960 1343 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:15,520 looked around and everything was dry and 1344 00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:15,520 1345 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:18,400 solid there was no 1346 00:33:15,510 --> 00:33:18,400 1347 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:20,240 evidence teenager Robert past was 1348 00:33:18,390 --> 00:33:20,240 1349 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:23,160 nowhere to be 1350 00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:23,160 1351 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:25,000 found detectives placed gasy under 1352 00:33:23,150 --> 00:33:25,000 1353 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,880 24-hour 1354 00:33:24,990 --> 00:33:26,880 1355 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,720 surveillance when we started our 1356 00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:28,720 1357 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:33,040 surveillance uh 1358 00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:33,040 1359 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:38,000 gy initially responded by telling many 1360 00:33:33,030 --> 00:33:38,000 1361 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:39,600 of his friends that we were FBI agents 1362 00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:39,600 1363 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,160 that we were 1364 00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:42,160 1365 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:45,200 bodyguards but ultimately what happened 1366 00:33:42,150 --> 00:33:45,200 1367 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:47,880 is he really started to break down 1368 00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:47,880 1369 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:51,440 psychologically in the sense that he 1370 00:33:47,870 --> 00:33:51,440 1371 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:54,560 couldn't maintain his day-to-day facade 1372 00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:54,560 1373 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,960 of being Mr Nice Guy or a businessman 1374 00:33:54,550 --> 00:33:55,960 1375 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,760 because every time he went out his front 1376 00:33:55,950 --> 00:33:58,760 1377 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:01,680 door there was a police car sitting 1378 00:33:58,750 --> 00:34:01,680 1379 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:04,440 there waiting to follow him 1380 00:34:01,670 --> 00:34:04,440 1381 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,600 around despite finding no bodies at his 1382 00:34:04,430 --> 00:34:06,600 1383 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:09,080 house the police had discovered a stash 1384 00:34:06,590 --> 00:34:09,080 1385 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,960 of personal possessions that appear to 1386 00:34:09,070 --> 00:34:11,960 1387 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,960 have been collected as 1389 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:20,840 trophies we had started to find case 1390 00:34:17,070 --> 00:34:20,840 1391 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:23,440 reports based on pieces of ID we found 1392 00:34:20,830 --> 00:34:23,440 1393 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,760 on the first search warant and 1394 00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:25,760 1395 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,120 identified those little pieces of 1396 00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:28,120 1397 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:33,800 identification as being missing person 1398 00:34:28,110 --> 00:34:33,800 1399 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:33,800 persons who were former employees of 1401 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,120 gasey the mounting evidence convinced 1402 00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:38,120 1403 00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:42,080 detectives that they should begin 1404 00:34:38,110 --> 00:34:42,080 1405 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:45,240 digging in the craw space under gas's 1406 00:34:42,070 --> 00:34:45,240 1407 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:47,080 house prosecuting attorney Robert Eagan 1408 00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:47,080 1409 00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:49,840 was one of the first on the 1410 00:34:47,070 --> 00:34:49,840 1411 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:52,520 scene the first body was 1412 00:34:49,830 --> 00:34:52,520 1413 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,240 excavated and everyone was kind of 1414 00:34:52,510 --> 00:34:54,240 1415 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:57,160 standing around waiting for the 1416 00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:57,160 1417 00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:59,000 excavation there was a lot of water in 1418 00:34:57,150 --> 00:34:59,000 1419 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:04,800 the CW space as a matter of fact the 1420 00:34:58,990 --> 00:35:04,800 1421 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:04,800 body had to be taken up literally Out of 1423 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,440 Water the evidence technician had to 1424 00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:10,440 1425 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,320 reach down and feel a rib cage and then 1426 00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:12,320 1427 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:15,000 pull the rib cage up out of the 1428 00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:15,000 1429 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:17,280 water the parts were put into a body bag 1430 00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:17,280 1431 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,240 and as that was taking place the 1432 00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:19,240 1433 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,480 evidence technician that was doing the 1434 00:35:19,230 --> 00:35:22,480 1435 00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:27,280 excavation was feeling down under the 1436 00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:27,280 1437 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:29,280 water and he he yelled out to us and we 1438 00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:29,280 1439 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,480 everybody kind of turned around to see 1440 00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:31,480 1441 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:34,760 what he was wor he and he said I I've 1442 00:35:31,470 --> 00:35:34,760 1443 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:37,560 got another rib cage down 1444 00:35:34,750 --> 00:35:37,560 1445 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:40,040 here beneath the unassuming Suburban 1446 00:35:37,550 --> 00:35:40,040 1447 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,720 home detectives had made a discovery 1448 00:35:40,030 --> 00:35:41,720 1449 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:45,920 that would see it become one of the most 1450 00:35:41,710 --> 00:35:45,920 1451 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:45,920 infamous houses in American 1453 00:35:54,600 --> 00:36:00,440 history in 1978 the search for 1454 00:35:57,910 --> 00:36:00,440 1455 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:03,160 15-year-old Robert past had led 1456 00:36:00,430 --> 00:36:03,160 1457 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:05,800 detectives to the home of John Wayne 1458 00:36:03,150 --> 00:36:05,800 1459 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:07,600 gasy a businessman and pillar of the 1460 00:36:05,790 --> 00:36:07,600 1461 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,720 local 1462 00:36:07,590 --> 00:36:09,720 1463 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,880 community there they discovered the 1464 00:36:09,710 --> 00:36:11,880 1465 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:14,040 remains of a decomposing body in a 1466 00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:14,040 1467 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:17,360 hidden crawl space beneath the 1468 00:36:14,030 --> 00:36:17,360 1469 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:19,160 house but that was only the beginning 1470 00:36:17,350 --> 00:36:19,160 1471 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,240 the evidence technician that was doing 1472 00:36:19,150 --> 00:36:22,240 1473 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:24,400 the excavation he yelled out to us and 1474 00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:24,400 1475 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:25,400 he said i' I've got another rib cage 1476 00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:25,400 1477 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,560 down 1478 00:36:25,390 --> 00:36:26,560 1479 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,320 [Music] 1480 00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:29,320 1481 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,840 here the second set of remains was 1482 00:36:29,310 --> 00:36:30,840 1483 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:34,360 merely the tip of the 1484 00:36:30,830 --> 00:36:34,360 1485 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,030 iceberg body after decomposing body was 1486 00:36:34,350 --> 00:36:35,030 1487 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,080 being 1488 00:36:35,020 --> 00:36:37,080 1489 00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:40,840 [Music] 1490 00:36:37,070 --> 00:36:40,840 1491 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:44,680 Unearthed gasy kept the bodies of his 1492 00:36:40,830 --> 00:36:44,680 1493 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,960 victims under the house it's an ideal 1494 00:36:44,670 --> 00:36:45,960 1495 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:49,360 way to 1496 00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:49,360 1497 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:52,400 remember where his victims were it's an 1498 00:36:49,350 --> 00:36:52,400 1499 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:57,720 ideal way of keeping control over those 1500 00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:57,720 1501 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:57,720 victims even after they've died 1503 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:05,800 a total of 29 young men were discovered 1504 00:37:02,110 --> 00:37:05,800 1505 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:08,320 buried on gas's property 27 of them in 1506 00:37:05,790 --> 00:37:08,320 1507 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:13,160 the cruel space beneath his 1508 00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:13,160 1509 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:15,640 home in police custody gasy began to 1510 00:37:13,150 --> 00:37:15,640 1511 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,320 confess he admitted to strangling all 1512 00:37:15,630 --> 00:37:17,320 1513 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:20,440 but his first 1514 00:37:17,310 --> 00:37:20,440 1515 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:22,680 victim he would choke them with a toric 1516 00:37:20,430 --> 00:37:22,680 1517 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:25,360 as they were sexually 1518 00:37:22,670 --> 00:37:25,360 1519 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,280 assaulted he referred to this as his 1520 00:37:25,350 --> 00:37:26,280 1521 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,640 rope 1522 00:37:26,270 --> 00:37:28,640 1523 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:34,080 trick he he claimed some victims 1524 00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:34,080 1525 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:36,720 convulsed for an hour or two before 1526 00:37:34,070 --> 00:37:36,720 1527 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:40,640 dying when he investigation started the 1528 00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:40,640 1529 00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:43,680 neighbors uh essentially were to shock 1530 00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:43,680 1531 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,880 beyond belief because most of the 1532 00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:45,880 1533 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:48,520 neighbors even at that point in time 1534 00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:48,520 1535 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:51,560 still said John John would never do 1536 00:37:48,510 --> 00:37:51,560 1537 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:54,480 anything to harm anybody uh my son 1538 00:37:51,550 --> 00:37:54,480 1539 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,600 played by his house uh he's always had 1540 00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:56,600 1541 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,120 parties for the neighborhood he was a 1542 00:37:56,590 --> 00:37:59,120 1543 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:03,120 nice guy a good businessman so the the 1544 00:37:59,110 --> 00:38:03,120 1545 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,120 neighbors were just totally 1547 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:11,560 shocked I was astounded this is a hard 1548 00:38:08,350 --> 00:38:11,560 1549 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:16,680 driving very hardworking individual this 1550 00:38:11,550 --> 00:38:16,680 1551 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:19,080 is a guy who appeared to have the social 1552 00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:19,080 1553 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,480 norms and the social values of the 1554 00:38:19,070 --> 00:38:20,480 1555 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,560 average middle 1556 00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:23,560 1557 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:26,720 American right down to the ground I 1558 00:38:23,550 --> 00:38:26,720 1559 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:30,480 certainly did not anticipate anything 1560 00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:30,480 1561 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:32,840 like that when I found out I was 1562 00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:32,840 1563 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,400 stunned but none of the bodies under the 1564 00:38:32,830 --> 00:38:35,400 1565 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,840 house was 15-year-old Robert 1566 00:38:35,390 --> 00:38:37,840 1567 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:40,520 past his whereabouts were finally 1568 00:38:37,830 --> 00:38:40,520 1569 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,520 discovered in April 1571 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:45,680 1979 Robert had been killed on the night 1572 00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:45,680 1573 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:48,040 of his 1574 00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:48,040 1575 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:50,520 abduction with no space left under his 1576 00:38:48,030 --> 00:38:50,520 1577 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:53,960 house gasy had thrown the teenager's 1578 00:38:50,510 --> 00:38:53,960 1579 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:56,840 body from a bridge into the Dez plains 1580 00:38:53,950 --> 00:38:56,840 1581 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:59,440 River three other boys had suffered the 1582 00:38:56,830 --> 00:38:59,440 1583 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,440 same fate 1585 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:09,360 on February the 6th 1980 37-year-old 1586 00:39:06,910 --> 00:39:09,360 1587 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:12,560 John Wayne gasey stood trial for the 1588 00:39:09,350 --> 00:39:12,560 1589 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:15,000 murder of 33 young 1590 00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:15,000 1591 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,600 men well the defense argued that he was 1592 00:39:14,990 --> 00:39:16,600 1593 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,360 insane because he couldn't control his 1594 00:39:16,590 --> 00:39:18,360 1595 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,760 actions I mean obviously he couldn't 1596 00:39:18,350 --> 00:39:20,760 1597 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,640 control his actions he killed 33 people 1598 00:39:20,750 --> 00:39:22,640 1599 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:25,720 that we know of but as an insanity 1600 00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:25,720 1601 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:29,320 defense in a legal courtroom that's not 1602 00:39:25,710 --> 00:39:29,320 1603 00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:29,320 going to hold up 1605 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,760 prosecutor William kungl was convinced 1606 00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:35,760 1607 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,360 he could prove gasy had been San and 1608 00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:37,360 1609 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,000 fully aware of his 1610 00:39:37,350 --> 00:39:40,000 1611 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:42,200 wrongdoing he had underlined passages 1612 00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:42,200 1613 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:45,680 and read in his family 1614 00:39:42,190 --> 00:39:45,680 1615 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:48,240 bible uh indicating his knowledge of his 1616 00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:48,240 1617 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:50,000 own guilt as a 1618 00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:50,000 1619 00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:53,400 Catholic 1620 00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:53,400 1621 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:56,000 uh the blasphemers the idolators the 1622 00:39:53,390 --> 00:39:56,000 1623 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:58,000 abusers of themselves with mankind shall 1624 00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:58,000 1625 00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:01,000 not inherit the kingdom of God he had 1626 00:39:57,990 --> 00:40:01,000 1627 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:03,920 that underline he had the Illinois 1628 00:40:00,990 --> 00:40:03,920 1629 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,840 statute book with the paper clips and 1630 00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:05,840 1631 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,560 underlining on the sexually dangerous 1632 00:40:05,830 --> 00:40:08,560 1633 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,200 person's act you know exactly what he 1634 00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:10,200 1635 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,880 was doing and he even knew what the 1636 00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:11,880 1637 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:15,200 consequences of it 1638 00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:15,200 1639 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:17,840 was so he never showed any remorse never 1640 00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:17,840 1641 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:20,800 any Contrition 1642 00:40:17,830 --> 00:40:20,800 1643 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:23,200 no emotion it's what psychiatrists call 1644 00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:23,200 1645 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,360 a flat AFF 1646 00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:25,360 1647 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,670 effect very 1648 00:40:25,350 --> 00:40:27,670 1649 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:30,910 narcissistic well he was all the 1650 00:40:27,660 --> 00:40:30,910 1651 00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:30,910 [Music] 1653 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:38,840 mattered on March the 13th 1980 John 1654 00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:38,840 1655 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:41,440 Wayne gasy was found guilty and 1656 00:40:38,830 --> 00:40:41,440 1657 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,660 sentenced to serve 12 death sentences 1658 00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:43,660 1659 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:48,800 and 21 natural life 1660 00:40:43,650 --> 00:40:48,800 1661 00:40:43,660 --> 00:40:51,040 [Music] 1662 00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:51,040 1663 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,080 sentences they asked him why why did you 1664 00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:53,080 1665 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,400 do this stuff and he said well there 1666 00:40:53,070 --> 00:40:55,400 1667 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:58,760 were several reasons uh with some of the 1668 00:40:55,390 --> 00:40:58,760 1669 00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:01,600 kids I was afraid they would expose me 1670 00:40:58,750 --> 00:41:01,600 1671 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,960 others threatened to expose me so I I 1672 00:41:01,590 --> 00:41:03,960 1673 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:07,080 had to kill them he said and they were 1674 00:41:03,950 --> 00:41:07,080 1675 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:10,480 they were all just human trash 1676 00:41:07,070 --> 00:41:10,480 1677 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,480 anyway that was his 1679 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:18,440 reason on May the 10th 1680 00:41:14,350 --> 00:41:18,440 1681 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:21,790 1994 after 14 years on death row John 1682 00:41:18,430 --> 00:41:21,790 1683 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:25,120 Wayne gasy was executed by lethal 1684 00:41:21,780 --> 00:41:25,120 1685 00:41:21,790 --> 00:41:27,320 [Music] 1686 00:41:25,110 --> 00:41:27,320 1687 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,440 injection gasy remains one of a 1688 00:41:27,310 --> 00:41:29,440 1689 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,720 America's most prolific serial 1690 00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:31,720 1691 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:35,400 murderers but what drove him to Snuff 1692 00:41:31,710 --> 00:41:35,400 1693 00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:38,120 out the lives of 33 young 1694 00:41:35,390 --> 00:41:38,120 1695 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:41,680 men was the belittling and abuse at the 1696 00:41:38,110 --> 00:41:41,680 1697 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:44,200 hands of his alcoholic father the 1698 00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:44,200 1699 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:46,280 Catalyst was the blood clot on his brain 1700 00:41:44,190 --> 00:41:46,280 1701 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,200 from his childhood accident with a swing 1702 00:41:46,270 --> 00:41:47,200 1703 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,280 the 1704 00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:50,280 1705 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,840 trigger or was John Wayne gasey simply 1706 00:41:50,270 --> 00:41:51,840 1707 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,080 born to 1708 00:41:51,830 --> 00:41:54,080 1709 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,880 [Music] 1710 00:41:54,070 --> 00:41:56,880 1711 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:59,440 kill I don't think there's anything in 1712 00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:59,440 1713 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:05,240 gas 's background that suggests that he 1714 00:41:59,430 --> 00:42:05,240 1715 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:08,520 was born to kill my sympathy for gayy 1716 00:42:05,230 --> 00:42:08,520 1717 00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:11,280 circumstances is that homophobia is a 1718 00:42:08,510 --> 00:42:11,280 1719 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:15,600 very difficult cultural phenomenon to 1720 00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:15,600 1721 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:18,760 overcome and as a gay man gasy must have 1722 00:42:15,590 --> 00:42:18,760 1723 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,400 felt it was very difficult to be open 1724 00:42:18,750 --> 00:42:20,400 1725 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,000 about his 1726 00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:23,000 1727 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,040 sexuality and whilst we must never 1728 00:42:22,990 --> 00:42:24,040 1729 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:28,000 accept 1730 00:42:24,030 --> 00:42:28,000 1731 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:31,440 responsibility for the deaths that gayy 1732 00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:31,440 1733 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:35,280 caused what we should do is analyze 1734 00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:35,280 1735 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:38,760 cultures that regards one gender as 1736 00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:38,760 1737 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:41,720 Superior to another and one sexuality as 1738 00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:41,720 1739 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,720 Superior to 1741 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:51,240 another he clearly lacked a conscience 1742 00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:51,240 1743 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:54,640 had uh no feeling towards others that he 1744 00:42:51,230 --> 00:42:54,640 1745 00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:57,240 was very callous and cold and 1746 00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:57,240 1747 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:59,480 calculating I can only conclude that 1748 00:42:57,230 --> 00:42:59,480 1749 00:42:57,240 --> 00:43:01,960 people are born with this deficit and 1750 00:42:59,470 --> 00:43:01,960 1751 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:05,400 there's no way we can change that we 1752 00:43:01,950 --> 00:43:05,400 1753 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:08,680 can't teach someone to develop a 1754 00:43:05,390 --> 00:43:08,680 1755 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,680 conscience if it's not 1757 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:15,400 there so just imagine yourself if you 1758 00:43:12,670 --> 00:43:15,400 1759 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:17,200 lacked a conscience the sorts of things 1760 00:43:15,390 --> 00:43:17,200 1761 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:21,320 that you could get away with without 1762 00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:21,320 1763 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:22,840 feeling bad it's a conscience that makes 1764 00:43:21,310 --> 00:43:22,840 1765 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:27,240 most of us 1766 00:43:22,830 --> 00:43:27,240 1767 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:30,200 behave because we'd feel bad 1768 00:43:27,230 --> 00:43:30,200 1769 00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:31,180 if you were suddenly freed of that think 1770 00:43:30,190 --> 00:43:31,180 1771 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,800 of what you might 1772 00:43:31,170 --> 00:43:32,800 1773 00:43:31,180 --> 00:43:35,760 [Music] 1774 00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:35,760 1775 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:38,840 do forensic psychologist Dr Helen 1776 00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:38,840 1777 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:40,520 Morrison spent 600 hours in the company 1778 00:43:38,830 --> 00:43:40,520 1779 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,360 of the serial 1780 00:43:40,510 --> 00:43:43,360 1781 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:45,920 killer and after his death was given 1782 00:43:43,350 --> 00:43:45,920 1783 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,640 permission by gase's family to have his 1784 00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:47,640 1785 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,600 brain 1786 00:43:47,630 --> 00:43:50,600 1787 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:54,280 examined there were no obvious 1788 00:43:50,590 --> 00:43:54,280 1789 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:57,320 abnormalities to him those men and those 1790 00:43:54,270 --> 00:43:57,320 1791 00:43:54,280 --> 00:44:00,200 boys were Vermin they just need needed 1792 00:43:57,310 --> 00:44:00,200 1793 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:02,600 to be extinguished for no reason other 1794 00:44:00,190 --> 00:44:02,600 1795 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,840 than the fact that they needed to be 1796 00:44:02,590 --> 00:44:04,840 1797 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:07,360 gotten rid 1798 00:44:04,830 --> 00:44:07,360 1799 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:11,480 of 1800 00:44:07,350 --> 00:44:11,480 1801 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:14,120 99% of Serial murderers are male and 1802 00:44:11,470 --> 00:44:14,120 1803 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:17,400 this is around the world it covers all 1804 00:44:14,110 --> 00:44:17,400 1805 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:20,840 cultures it covers all socioeconomic 1806 00:44:17,390 --> 00:44:20,840 1807 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:23,640 groups it covers all religious groups it 1808 00:44:20,830 --> 00:44:23,640 1809 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:27,200 covers any type of place that you can 1810 00:44:23,630 --> 00:44:27,200 1811 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:29,680 imagine in the world and yet they are so 1812 00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:29,680 1813 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:33,680 like they've been cut out with a cookie 1814 00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:33,680 1815 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:37,960 cutter they are so exactly the same so 1816 00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:37,960 1817 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:41,840 we have to assume that there is some 1818 00:44:37,950 --> 00:44:41,840 1819 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:44,640 genetic Foundation it has to be a 1820 00:44:41,830 --> 00:44:44,640 1821 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:47,840 mutation John gasy was definitely Born 1822 00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:47,840 1823 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,840 To Kill 1825 00:44:48,830 --> 00:44:57,010 [Music] 1827 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:11,060 a 1828 00:44:59,850 --> 00:45:11,060 1829 00:44:59,860 --> 00:45:11,060 [Music] 94942

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