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Captain Kirk:
Space, the final frontier.
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Science fiction
is basically saying
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there are no limits.
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Space is anything
we want it to be.
Yes!
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The scale of the universe
is unbelievably stunning.
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[Woman screams]
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Weaver: We are asking
those big questions,
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like "Where are we going?"
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and "What does it say about us
as humans?"
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Jovovich: Think it answers
something elemental
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in human beings,
which is, "We love danger."
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Aaah!
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Space travel
sounds rather perilous.
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They will never get me onto
one of those dreadful starships.
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Cameron: Science fiction
inspired the rocketeers
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who brought us to the moon.
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And that's just the beginning.
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Whoo!
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Science fiction holds out hope
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for even more
incredible discoveries.
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I think we're curious
in our bones
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about going
into the galaxy.
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What has the galaxy
ever done for you?
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Why would you wanna
save it?
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Because I'm one of the idiots
who lives in it!
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Cameron: Humanity is hardwired
to explore
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and to exploit.
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Coleman: We are citizens
of the universe.
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* Eeeeee
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We belong there, too.
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**
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[Whispers]
I hate space.
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**
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Cameron: I've been thinking
about this idea
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that space is anything
we want it to be.
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It's the great unknown,
and we can project
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our fantasies and our ideas,
our sociology,
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and, you know,
we can use it just as an excuse
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to get to a completely
different culture,
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or we can take it
at face-value
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as a problem
we need to solve.
Yeah.
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And I sorta think
about science f--
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space science-fiction
as, you know, on the one hand,
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you got the hard-tech stuff,
like "2001,"
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and then, at the other end
of the spectrum,
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it's more space
as a kind of
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complete unfettering
of the imagination.
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You got --
You got two things.
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No matter how you do it,
whether it's "2001"
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or "Star Wars,"
they're adventures.
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The -- The --
The big bogeyman is the unknown.
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Right.
Because the thing
about humans --
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it's always been
with us --
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is we have
an imagination.
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The night sky has always been
the great mystery.
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One, it's terrifying
because you walk out in it
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and you get eaten.
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And the other part is that
there's --
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there's things up there.
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I mean,
the stars, the planets.
Yeah.
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And the things have
to mean something.
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So this is a primal attraction,
is what you're saying.
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Yes.
And man has curiosity.
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Curiosity and imagination
bring you things like stories.
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So you're saying
it's a mystical connection.
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Yep, yep.
But th-- there's a mystical
connection with the sky
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and with stars
and all things,
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so they relate directly
to us.
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Isn't that what we try to do
with our movies?
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Yeah.
Take -- Capture a little bit
of that awe
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and bring it into
a movie theater
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and -- and feel what it might
be like to go out there?
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[Static crackles]
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Houston, I have a bad
feeling about this mission.
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Nicholson: What Alfonso Cuarón
does with the camera
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at the very beginning
of "Gravity"
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is you have this extended
single-camera shot
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where you watch
both George Clooney
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and Sandra Bullock
float around space,
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and you have these images
of how small a human
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can be in front of
the entire planet,
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and then the camera
will spin around
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and you'll see
how small a human
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is in front of the vastness
of the universe.
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Can't beat the view.
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Coleman: That movie really
brought people to space.
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It showed them not only
what the view looked like,
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but also what it felt
like to have the view,
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and that was so important
to me to be able to share
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because the view
is unimaginable.
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It was so clean and pristine,
it almost hurt your eyes
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because the edges are
so sharp,
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and it's giant.
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So, what do you like
about being up here?
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Stone: The silence.
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When I was living up
on the space station,
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my little brother met
Sandra Bullock's brother-in-law.
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He said, "Well, you know,
my sister-in-law's
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making this movie. Maybe
your sister would talk to her."
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And my little brother said,
"She's been up there
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for a couple of months
with five guys,
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and I think she'd love
to talk to Sandra Bullock."
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[Chuckles]
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How ya feeling?
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Like a Chihuahua
that's being tumble-dried.
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Some of the things
that she wanted to know
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were what's it like for me
when I wake up in the morning,
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what's a hard thing,
what's an easy thing,
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so that she understands how
she can make space look real.
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**
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Sandra, I thought,
looked purposeful
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and not like a newbie.
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Perkowitz: Space travel has been
a science-fiction theme
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for a long, long, long time.
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It is really fantastic
the lengths
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that the early
science-fiction writers went to
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to get a space craft
from the Earth even to the moon.
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Miller: George Méliès was
originally a stage magician
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who got enamored
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with the brand-new art form
of cinematography.
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And not only, uh, did he invent
the science-fiction movie,
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he essentially invented
movie special effects.
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And it was really based
on the two giants
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of science fiction
at the time --
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H.G. Wells and Jules Verne.
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Jules Verne provided
the plot and story
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for the first half of the movie
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with his
"From the Earth to the Moon."
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The second half was based
on H.G. Wells'
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"The First Men in the Moon."
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**
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Wythoff: Early depictions of
space travel show characters
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just moving about freely,
opening up the door,
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and walking out into space
with no trouble.
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**
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But within a couple decades,
things change pretty quickly
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in cinematic depictions of, uh,
outer space and space travel,
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so, as early as the 1920s,
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you have films like
"Woman in the Moon"
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by Fritz Lang,
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where characters
are strapped into their seats,
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and as the ship
is taking off,
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they can feel the pressure
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of the g-force on their chests,
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struggling to breathe
as they lift off.
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Wolfe: And then you've got
writers that worked
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for John W. Campbell Jr.
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when he began editing
"Astounding Science Fiction,"
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who were held to a standard
of scientific verisimilitude,
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and that's when you
start getting realistic,
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believable space adventures.
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No time for count-off!
Stand by.
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Fire!
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[Engines blast]
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Pichel: Tell us about this trip
to the moon.
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Do you -- Do you think
this is possible?
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Oh, yes. Yes.
It's quite possible.
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-We're here, aren't we?
-Yeah.
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Not only are we here,
but, uh,
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it can be done.
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It can be done
as soon as anyone
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is willing to foot
the bill to do it.
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Robert Heinlein was the guru
of hard science-fiction,
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but I think,
before that and beyond that,
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he was the guru
of logical science-fiction.
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Heinlein asked the question --
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which is the classic hard
science-fiction question --
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How do you do it?
How do you solve that problem?
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Even today, that's a key theme
in science fiction.
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Man: The pre-chain reaction
is out of control.
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We're rapidly expanding.
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Multiple satellites are down
and they keep on falling.
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The Cuaróns wanted to
recreate the good, the bad,
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and the ugly of space travel.
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Kowalski: Look, we need to get
the hell out of here.
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-All right.
-You need some help there, Matt?
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-No, don't wait for us.
-It's stuck!
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Grazier: One of the things
I discussed
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with the Cuaróns
was the Kessler syndrome
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and the notion
that a destroyed satellite
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can lead to debris,
which destroys more satellites
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and more debris.
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Space debris is a real concern
for any spacecraft
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that has to travel through
low Earth orbit today.
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[Screaming]
Explore.
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At the speeds debris can travel,
a small object like a bolt
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can hit you
with the kinetic energy
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of a howitzer round.
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[Breathing heavily]
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The film "Gravity"
is visually compelling
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because it really sets up
the unforgiving dynamic,
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how just the smallest step
in the wrong direction
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is going to send the entire
series of events tumbling.
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And it only takes that much.
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No!
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Coleman: The only really
big mistake they made
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in that movie is that, if you
were up on a space station,
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the last thing you'd do
is let George Clooney go.
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Lucas: There's a lot of secrets
in the universe.
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We don't know anything.
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That's the one thing
I do know for sure.
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But we've gotta get
out of our solar system.
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We've gotta get
to another solar system.
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Yeah, but Einstein says
you can't travel
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faster
than the speed of light.
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Science fiction
is basically saying
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there are no limits.
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That's right.
Think outside the box.
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No matter what
somebody tells you...
Right.
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no matter
what you've learned,
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throw all that away
and say,
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"I can do anything
I wanna do.
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You're in a completely
different universe."
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Traveling through hyperspace
ain't like dustin' crops, boy.
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Rutherford: We sometimes forget
that space
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is cosmologically big.
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Traveling to the rest of
the universe would take
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tens, thousands of years
with current technology.
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The reason we measure them
in light-years
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is because it takes
that long
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for the speed of light
to travel that distance.
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Faster-than-light travel is
the holy grail of space travel.
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And right now,
it's the "baloneum" that we --
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baloneum is that stuff you
make up to make the story work
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and it's different
from "handwaveum,"
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which is
how you distract
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[Laughs]
the reader or the viewer,
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but, uh --
and it's not "unobtainium."
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That's a diff--
But baloneum is that stuff.
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If we had the right baloneum,
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we could make
faster-than-light travel work.
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So, here is a perfect
limitation for an artist.
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You can't go faster
than light speed.
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How are we gonna get around it
to explore the universe?
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Science-fiction writers said,
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"Okay, well, we have
to create a speed
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faster than light speed."
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Are you ready to say
goodbye to our solar system?
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Execute jump.
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I'm not sure
what's wrong here.
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Is the parking brake on?
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[Gears grinding]
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Compressor.
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[Beeping]
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[R2-D2 screams]
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Whoo!
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**
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What a rush.
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Cameron: And with that rush,
science fiction
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launches an age of exploration.
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We're down
to 0.3896th of light speed.
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Singer: "Forbidden Planet"
is one of those rare,
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big-budget
science-fiction movies
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from a time when most
science-fiction movies
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looked pretty cheesy.
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It's very easy to see
many of the things
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that later science fiction,
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specifically "Star Trek,"
if not directly took from,
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was certainly inspired by.
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The ship
on "Forbidden Planet" --
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it almost looks like
the saucer section
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of the Enterprise
without the rest of it.
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These discs
that they stand on --
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it looks just like
the transporter.
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It definitely looks like
the designers of "Star Trek"
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looked at this and said,
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"Boy, this is
a beautiful-looking movie."
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"Forbidden Planet" is
definitely less diverse,
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which makes "Star Trek" special.
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Captain Kirk:
Space, the final frontier.
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The importance of "Star Trek"
is that it brought space
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into the living rooms
of Americans
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and people really
across the globe.
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It made space accessible.
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["Star Trek" theme music plays]
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"Star Trek" was a classic,
humanistic vision
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of a kind of utopian future
that you l-live and let live.
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Captain Kirk: These are
the voyages
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of the starship Enterprise.
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Wolfe: Gene Roddenberry
said he wanted
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to do an all-inclusive series
in space
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with all the ideas
that could more easily be done
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in science fiction in the '60s
than in realistic fiction.
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Captain Kirk: To boldly go
where no man has gone before.
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So, you could deal with
controversial issues,
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but they weren't controversial
because they're distanced.
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They're not us.
That's not our own society.
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Fontana: We did wanna get into
racial issues, sexist issues,
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that were going on at the time.
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And I think it opened a door
into an alien world
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that people could say,
"Oh, yeah, I get that."
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It offered lots
of story opportunities
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to tell stories about
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things going on
right here on Earth.
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[Chuckles]
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This is no game,
Captain.
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Half a million people
have just been killed.
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There's an episode called
"A Taste of Armageddon"
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about these two planets
that have --
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that are conducting
a virtual war.
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Computers, captain.
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They fight their war
with computers, totally.
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Computers don't kill
a half-million people.
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Deaths have been
registered.
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Of course, they have
24 hours to report.
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To report?
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To our
disintegration machines.
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At the very end of it,
Kirk says...
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We're human beings
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with the blood
of a million savage years
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on our hands.
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But we can stop it.
316
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We can admit
that we're killers,
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but we're not
going to kill today.
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So all of these
different stories,
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they all had a social message
buried in them.
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Gene knew what he was doing,
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the writers knew
what they were doing.
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It's up to you.
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"Star Trek" was a way of saying,
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"Look, we can do better.
325
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Things, the way they are,
326
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it's not necessarily
the way they have to be."
327
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What about the cast
of the show?
328
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I'm told that NBC only wanted
white males on the bridge.
329
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No women, no blacks.
330
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When I brought in
a mixed-racial crew,
331
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both the network
and Desilu Studios,
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which had it at that time,
came in, saying, uh,
333
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"What are you doing?!
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You're going to ruin us!"
335
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I can tell you what happened
to me the first time
336
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I saw "Star Trek."
Really, before "Star Trek,"
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there were no people
of color in the future.
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We didn't really
exist at all anywhere,
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and Gene Roddenberry
created this group
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where this beautiful
black woman,
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not a mammy,
was head of communications.
342
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Captain, I'm picking up
a sub-space distress call,
343
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priority channel.
It's from Space Station K7.
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So to see her in that position,
for me,
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was, like, extraordinary.
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And it's why
I went to Gene
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to do "Star Trek:
The Next Generation,"
348
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was because of what
Nichelle Nichols showed me,
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which was that I had
a future in the world.
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What about you?
Do you speak Romulan, cadet?
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Uhura.
All three dialects, sir.
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Saldana: The day that I met
Nichelle Nichols,
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I was very nervous
354
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because that was
a first time for me
355
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to step into
someone else's shoes.
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And she suspended
any kind of judgment.
357
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If anything,
she handed me that torch
358
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and she said, "Run with it."
359
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The jamming signal's gone.
360
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Transport abilities
are reestablished.
361
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[Zoom!]
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The main attribute
that "Star Trek"
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gives people is hope.
364
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May we together become greater
than the sum of both of us.
365
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What I took from
the original series
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was the love
humanity is able to have,
367
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even if it's set in a time
that they may never recognize,
368
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they may never meet,
the strive for that is tangible.
369
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Live long and prosper,
Spock.
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Live long and prosper.
371
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The cultural importance
of the "Star Trek" franchise
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can't be underestimated.
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We've had, to date, seven
different series, 13 films,
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and hundreds of novelizations,
comic books, board games,
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video games, costumes.
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Fans love "Star Trek"
because it does suggest
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that there will
be opportunities for us
378
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to meet each other in space
and to learn from each other.
379
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Moore: The most powerful
message, to me, of "Star Trek"
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was just the idea that, by
stepping out into the universe,
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we put our old problems
behind us
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and we become better people
through cooperation
383
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and, you know, believing in
a certain set of values.
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[Laughter]
385
00:16:01,728 --> 00:16:03,296
It's a very romantic notion,
386
00:16:03,330 --> 00:16:04,697
it's a very idealistic notion,
387
00:16:04,731 --> 00:16:06,599
but that's a universe
I wanna go live in.
388
00:16:06,633 --> 00:16:07,967
I wanna go get on a starship,
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I wanna be part
of the Federation.
390
00:16:13,340 --> 00:16:15,608
"2001,"
as far as I'm concerned,
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is the best science-fiction
film ever made.
392
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It is the quintessential
what space travel is.
393
00:16:20,980 --> 00:16:22,849
Yeah.
And it looks great.
394
00:16:22,882 --> 00:16:24,717
You know, it's -- it's --
it's -- it's just --
395
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it's impeccable the way
they put it together.
396
00:16:26,553 --> 00:16:30,590
The discovery coming overhead
endlessly is basically...
397
00:16:30,623 --> 00:16:32,259
Right.
...the precursor
398
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of the -- of the opening shot
of "Star Wars."
399
00:16:34,027 --> 00:16:36,896
Right.
It stunned everybody,
myself included.
400
00:16:36,929 --> 00:16:41,434
Probably "2001" had more of an
influence on me than I realize.
401
00:16:41,468 --> 00:16:42,769
Mm-hmm.
But at the same time,
402
00:16:42,802 --> 00:16:44,904
I was completely stoked
by that movie.
403
00:16:44,937 --> 00:16:47,907
It's brilliant.
404
00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:54,581
Dullea: I think "2001" opened up
films to be a much broader
405
00:16:54,614 --> 00:16:56,449
and interesting canvas,
406
00:16:56,483 --> 00:16:58,985
in terms of what space travel
might be like,
407
00:16:59,018 --> 00:17:01,854
than anything that had
been shown before.
408
00:17:01,888 --> 00:17:04,357
Everything was believable,
even though we'd have
409
00:17:04,391 --> 00:17:07,660
our jaws on our laps
in amazement,
410
00:17:07,694 --> 00:17:12,665
but everything always
had a reality to it.
411
00:17:12,699 --> 00:17:14,734
Wolfe:
That's absolutely the most
412
00:17:14,767 --> 00:17:17,070
meticulously accurate
science-fiction
413
00:17:17,104 --> 00:17:19,406
movie between Arthur C. Clarke,
414
00:17:19,439 --> 00:17:21,074
the hard science-fiction writer,
415
00:17:21,108 --> 00:17:23,610
and Stanley Kubrick,
the visionary filmmaker,
416
00:17:23,643 --> 00:17:25,412
who thought this image
was all you need.
417
00:17:25,445 --> 00:17:27,680
Let the audience figure it out.
418
00:17:27,714 --> 00:17:31,951
In that sense, everything
was a surprise
419
00:17:31,984 --> 00:17:38,057
and a visual entrée
of unbelievable significance.
420
00:17:38,091 --> 00:17:40,427
But it's really not the --
the filmmaking part of it.
421
00:17:40,460 --> 00:17:42,462
It's the "let's go
into outer space" part of it.
422
00:17:42,495 --> 00:17:45,098
That, too. That, too.
And we have the reality
now to deal with it,
423
00:17:45,132 --> 00:17:47,434
which is why Mars is
becoming more of a thing,
424
00:17:47,467 --> 00:17:49,469
but we have
to get people to say,
425
00:17:49,502 --> 00:17:51,003
"This is a fun adventure."
426
00:17:51,037 --> 00:17:54,774
**
427
00:17:54,807 --> 00:17:57,544
Lando: Yee-haw!
428
00:17:57,577 --> 00:18:00,513
I guess I was probably
11 years old when I --
429
00:18:00,547 --> 00:18:03,116
when I first saw "Star Wars."
430
00:18:03,150 --> 00:18:07,654
It was the most
magnificent experience
431
00:18:07,687 --> 00:18:09,856
I had ever had in my life.
432
00:18:09,889 --> 00:18:13,826
My -- My mind was, you know,
searching for those answers
433
00:18:13,860 --> 00:18:15,628
and the world
and you're hungry
434
00:18:15,662 --> 00:18:17,964
and I looked at "Star Wars"
435
00:18:17,997 --> 00:18:22,001
and I j-- I knew I wanted
to live in that world.
436
00:18:22,034 --> 00:18:25,805
I've been chasing "Star Wars"
for my entire career.
437
00:18:25,838 --> 00:18:28,141
**
438
00:18:28,175 --> 00:18:29,742
"Star Wars" is a landmark film
439
00:18:29,776 --> 00:18:31,478
in the history of
science-fiction stories
440
00:18:31,511 --> 00:18:34,681
about space because it opened up
the excitement
441
00:18:34,714 --> 00:18:36,949
and the adventure of traveling
from planet to planet
442
00:18:36,983 --> 00:18:39,819
and made us all want
to go there with the heroes.
443
00:18:39,852 --> 00:18:42,922
-Take 555. Take two.
-Action.
444
00:18:42,955 --> 00:18:45,825
Dykstra: We built the cameras,
we built the optical printers,
445
00:18:45,858 --> 00:18:48,761
we had built the miniatures
all under one roof,
446
00:18:48,795 --> 00:18:51,864
which was kind of unusual.
447
00:18:51,898 --> 00:18:55,768
We could fabricate metal,
we could do machining,
448
00:18:55,802 --> 00:18:59,172
the chemistry
for the explosions.
449
00:18:59,206 --> 00:19:03,176
It was a whole litany
of things that were new.
450
00:19:03,210 --> 00:19:06,946
The first shot in the movie
was sort of the touchstone
451
00:19:06,979 --> 00:19:09,916
for whether it was
gonna work or not.
452
00:19:09,949 --> 00:19:13,720
It had a miniature
of the Star Destroyer,
453
00:19:13,753 --> 00:19:15,154
which was three feet long.
454
00:19:15,188 --> 00:19:16,656
[Lasers firing]
455
00:19:16,689 --> 00:19:19,526
When we saw it,
everybody went, "Wow!
456
00:19:19,559 --> 00:19:21,928
It's great."
457
00:19:21,961 --> 00:19:26,666
That is a shot of pure awe
where suddenly, as a viewer,
458
00:19:26,699 --> 00:19:29,035
you're just knocked out
by the potential of space
459
00:19:29,068 --> 00:19:30,603
and where this movie could go.
460
00:19:30,637 --> 00:19:32,004
This was revolutionary.
461
00:19:32,038 --> 00:19:36,476
It really felt like you
were standing there.
462
00:19:36,509 --> 00:19:37,977
And the ship was
coming overhead.
463
00:19:38,010 --> 00:19:41,814
It was so transformative.
464
00:19:41,848 --> 00:19:45,151
Talk about what
your influences were
465
00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:47,720
that fed into the creation
of "Star Wars."
466
00:19:47,754 --> 00:19:50,457
As much as "Star Wars" seemed to
just leap from your forehead...
467
00:19:50,490 --> 00:19:51,991
No.
...fully formed,
468
00:19:52,024 --> 00:19:53,560
it had roots that any--
469
00:19:53,593 --> 00:19:55,528
anybody in the
science fiction world knows.
470
00:19:55,562 --> 00:19:56,863
Nothing, nothing,
nothing in this world
471
00:19:56,896 --> 00:19:58,598
pops into your head
fully formed.
472
00:19:58,631 --> 00:20:01,801
It's an accumulation of all
the things you've seen,
473
00:20:01,834 --> 00:20:03,770
and then, when you go
to regurgitate it
474
00:20:03,803 --> 00:20:05,738
into your own thing,
475
00:20:05,772 --> 00:20:07,974
you take
all the best parts.
476
00:20:08,007 --> 00:20:10,977
The roll-up -- that was
taken from "Flash Gordon."
477
00:20:11,010 --> 00:20:13,012
The angle that it rolls
up the screen
478
00:20:13,045 --> 00:20:15,147
with the way the text
was arranged.
479
00:20:15,181 --> 00:20:17,016
Even the number of ellipses.
480
00:20:17,049 --> 00:20:20,753
And he was very much influenced
by the movies of Akira Kurosawa.
481
00:20:20,787 --> 00:20:24,491
**
482
00:20:24,524 --> 00:20:25,792
[Shouts]
483
00:20:25,825 --> 00:20:31,831
**
484
00:20:31,864 --> 00:20:34,767
So, in terms of cowboy films,
Lucas was very influenced
485
00:20:34,801 --> 00:20:38,271
by John Ford's "The Searchers,"
486
00:20:38,305 --> 00:20:40,907
which contains a scene
that very much mirrors
487
00:20:40,940 --> 00:20:44,577
the scene where Uncle Owen
and Aunt Beru are murdered.
488
00:20:44,611 --> 00:20:47,614
**
489
00:20:53,152 --> 00:20:56,923
Martha!
Martha!
490
00:20:56,956 --> 00:20:59,759
Uncle Owen!
Aunt Beru!
491
00:20:59,792 --> 00:21:02,729
That definitely helped fuel
this notion that "Star Wars"
492
00:21:02,762 --> 00:21:04,564
is a space Western.
493
00:21:04,597 --> 00:21:08,167
**
494
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,937
One of the things that was
really critical in "Star Wars"
495
00:21:10,970 --> 00:21:12,672
was, again,
this sense of adrenaline
496
00:21:12,705 --> 00:21:16,208
and the idea
of trajectory in space.
497
00:21:16,242 --> 00:21:18,144
Almost there.
498
00:21:18,177 --> 00:21:21,047
And that brought some of that
visceral quality back to it,
499
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,551
sort of the idea
of having that rush.
500
00:21:24,584 --> 00:21:27,253
I can't shake him!
501
00:21:27,286 --> 00:21:29,121
And you know,
it's interesting.
502
00:21:29,155 --> 00:21:32,124
The closer you get to something
that speed, the faster it feels.
503
00:21:32,158 --> 00:21:35,762
It will be just like
Beggar's Canyon back home.
504
00:21:35,795 --> 00:21:38,798
So that was really the idea
behind the trench
505
00:21:38,831 --> 00:21:40,600
for the Death Star.
506
00:21:40,633 --> 00:21:43,269
Let's get people
down into a space
507
00:21:43,302 --> 00:21:46,005
that's traveling
at an extreme speed
508
00:21:46,038 --> 00:21:48,575
and give you the excitement
that you get
509
00:21:48,608 --> 00:21:50,810
when you do it for real.
[R2-D2 beeps]
510
00:21:50,843 --> 00:21:52,812
I mean, there's so many
great shots in "Star Wars,"
511
00:21:52,845 --> 00:21:57,049
but I think if there's one
that makes my heart ache a bit,
512
00:21:57,083 --> 00:22:00,319
it's Luke seeing
the two suns set.
513
00:22:00,353 --> 00:22:02,755
It just has this very
"Somewhere Over the Rainbow"
514
00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:06,359
kind of wistful vibe to it.
515
00:22:06,393 --> 00:22:07,827
That was a shot
that I can relate to
516
00:22:07,860 --> 00:22:09,328
as a teenager in Texas.
[Chuckles]
517
00:22:09,362 --> 00:22:11,631
That is a shot that I think
any kid can relate to.
518
00:22:11,664 --> 00:22:16,235
This idea of "What is next
for me and how do I go?"
519
00:22:16,268 --> 00:22:19,305
There's this yearning that
makes this space story
520
00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:23,175
feel like something
that's happening to us.
521
00:22:23,209 --> 00:22:26,145
One of the reasons
why I made "Star Wars"
522
00:22:26,178 --> 00:22:28,247
was it's made
for 12-year-olds.
523
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,817
It appeals to everybody, but it
was still made for 12-year-olds.
524
00:22:30,850 --> 00:22:32,752
We were all 12 once.
And I tell people,
525
00:22:32,785 --> 00:22:34,153
"Don't underestimate
12-year-olds.
526
00:22:34,186 --> 00:22:35,788
They're smarter
than the rest of us."
Right.
527
00:22:35,822 --> 00:22:37,857
They get stuff
much faster than you do.
528
00:22:37,890 --> 00:22:40,660
Yeah.
And the whole point was to
get them to allow to think --
529
00:22:40,693 --> 00:22:42,395
to allow them to think
outside the box.
530
00:22:42,429 --> 00:22:44,130
The whole thing is
subjective and dream-like.
531
00:22:44,163 --> 00:22:46,098
Yeah, who said
Wookiees can't fly?
532
00:22:46,132 --> 00:22:47,834
Well,
I said they can fly.
Yeah.
533
00:22:47,867 --> 00:22:49,736
[Chewbacca warbles]
534
00:22:49,769 --> 00:22:51,804
I said, "I'm not gonna
obey the rules."
535
00:22:51,838 --> 00:22:54,874
If you can imagine it,
you can do it,
536
00:22:54,907 --> 00:22:56,876
but if you can't imagine it,
you can't do it.
Yeah.
537
00:22:56,909 --> 00:22:58,811
Because --
It's the prison
of your own mind, again.
538
00:22:58,845 --> 00:23:00,647
It's that prison
of your own mind
539
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,082
that allows you to do it,
and you can enjoy that
540
00:23:03,115 --> 00:23:04,851
and come up
with really crazy stuff.
541
00:23:04,884 --> 00:23:06,318
Yeah,
just look at Chewbacca.
542
00:23:06,352 --> 00:23:08,220
Well, I can guarantee you
there's no Wookiees in space.
543
00:23:08,254 --> 00:23:10,657
How do you know?
[Laughs]
544
00:23:12,258 --> 00:23:15,795
You single-handedly
revolutionized science fiction
545
00:23:15,828 --> 00:23:19,832
in pop culture
with "Star Wars," 1977.
546
00:23:19,866 --> 00:23:23,069
'Cause it had been three decades
of downer stuff --
547
00:23:23,102 --> 00:23:26,405
dystopian stuff,
apocalyptic stuff,
548
00:23:26,439 --> 00:23:28,407
and science fiction
was making less and less
549
00:23:28,441 --> 00:23:30,342
and less money every year
and then, all of a sudden,
550
00:23:30,376 --> 00:23:32,912
you came along
with another vision.
551
00:23:32,945 --> 00:23:36,683
One of wonder and hope
and empowerment,
552
00:23:36,716 --> 00:23:37,950
and boom!
553
00:23:37,984 --> 00:23:39,719
"Star Wars"
is a space opera.
554
00:23:39,752 --> 00:23:41,788
It's not science fiction.
555
00:23:41,821 --> 00:23:45,191
And because it's really
just, you know,
556
00:23:45,224 --> 00:23:47,393
one of those soap operas,
only in space.
557
00:23:47,426 --> 00:23:49,228
Yeah,
but it's more than that.
Well...
558
00:23:49,261 --> 00:23:50,897
And you know --
and you know it is.
All right, all right.
559
00:23:50,930 --> 00:23:52,465
It's -- It's a neo-myth.
560
00:23:52,499 --> 00:23:54,300
But it's -- yeah, yes.
It fulfills the role
561
00:23:54,333 --> 00:23:55,968
that myth
played in society.
562
00:23:56,002 --> 00:23:57,169
Yeah, it is.
It's mythology.
563
00:23:57,203 --> 00:23:59,071
But you took it
to a new level.
564
00:23:59,105 --> 00:24:03,910
No film that I can think
of had the used future idea.
565
00:24:03,943 --> 00:24:06,212
The future was always shiny,
it was always perfect,
566
00:24:06,245 --> 00:24:09,148
it always had just been
unwrapped on Christmas morning
567
00:24:09,181 --> 00:24:11,951
'cause it was kind
of this optimistic ideal.
568
00:24:11,984 --> 00:24:14,721
And you said, "No, the future
has to have been lived in
569
00:24:14,754 --> 00:24:16,055
for thousands of years,"
570
00:24:16,088 --> 00:24:18,090
so the Sandcrawlers
are all rusted
571
00:24:18,124 --> 00:24:19,826
and things are
kind of broken
572
00:24:19,859 --> 00:24:22,228
and it looked like
it had been lived in.
573
00:24:22,261 --> 00:24:23,796
So where did that idea
come from?
574
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:25,331
'Cause there was no
precursor to that.
575
00:24:25,364 --> 00:24:29,368
I just felt that it's gotta
look like it's a real place.
576
00:24:29,401 --> 00:24:32,505
Singer: The transition from the
science-fiction space travel
577
00:24:32,539 --> 00:24:34,907
of the '60s to the '70s --
Aggh!
578
00:24:34,941 --> 00:24:39,245
it probably reflects a wider
shift in culture at that time,
579
00:24:39,278 --> 00:24:41,347
the sort of general cynicism
of the '70s
580
00:24:41,380 --> 00:24:44,250
has kind of infected
this vision of the future
581
00:24:44,283 --> 00:24:46,819
and it's like, "Okay,
if we get into outer space,
582
00:24:46,853 --> 00:24:48,154
probably giant corporations
583
00:24:48,187 --> 00:24:49,856
are still gonna
be running everything."
584
00:24:49,889 --> 00:24:52,458
And that's when you get
to movies like "Alien."
585
00:24:52,491 --> 00:24:55,027
[Rumbling]
586
00:24:55,061 --> 00:24:56,328
Where you have a spacecraft
587
00:24:56,362 --> 00:24:59,331
that looks like it's been
through the mill.
588
00:24:59,365 --> 00:25:04,136
Things are leaking, steam's
running out of broken pipes,
589
00:25:04,170 --> 00:25:05,371
it's grimy,
590
00:25:05,404 --> 00:25:07,807
and the place is a mess.
591
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,508
Look, I'm not gonna
do any more work
592
00:25:09,542 --> 00:25:11,510
till we get this
straightened out.
593
00:25:11,544 --> 00:25:16,315
Grant, you're guaranteed
by law to get a share.
594
00:25:16,348 --> 00:25:18,217
Weaver: And it's, I think,
no accident
595
00:25:18,250 --> 00:25:20,553
that, in a lot of these films,
596
00:25:20,587 --> 00:25:23,289
it's the
military-industrial complex
597
00:25:23,322 --> 00:25:25,457
that are the real monster
in space.
598
00:25:25,491 --> 00:25:26,893
Bellows: This could
cause trouble for us
599
00:25:26,926 --> 00:25:28,795
on all the other
mining operations.
600
00:25:28,828 --> 00:25:31,130
That could put my people
out of business.
601
00:25:31,163 --> 00:25:34,366
Don't worry.
He's a dead man.
602
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,369
From the moment that
humans set off to lands
603
00:25:37,403 --> 00:25:40,306
that they'd never been to
before, immediately what follows
604
00:25:40,339 --> 00:25:43,209
that is you see all of
the normal human problems
605
00:25:43,242 --> 00:25:47,413
that we have in societies
transposed to other worlds.
606
00:25:47,446 --> 00:25:49,982
Wolfe: Which means you're going
to have labor problems.
607
00:25:50,016 --> 00:25:53,419
You're going to have hazardous
environments for workers.
608
00:25:53,452 --> 00:25:55,021
You're going to have
all kinds of things
609
00:25:55,054 --> 00:25:56,422
that reflect what might be
610
00:25:56,455 --> 00:25:59,158
the reality
of outer-space exploration.
611
00:25:59,191 --> 00:26:02,194
At some point, corporations are
going to have to get involved.
612
00:26:02,228 --> 00:26:03,529
At some point,
maybe the government
613
00:26:03,562 --> 00:26:05,231
will have to take over,
614
00:26:05,264 --> 00:26:08,500
and lead to something
like a militarized society
615
00:26:08,534 --> 00:26:10,302
like "Starship Troopers."
616
00:26:10,336 --> 00:26:13,205
Man: We break net now and
take you live to Klendathu
617
00:26:13,239 --> 00:26:15,074
where the invasion has begun.
618
00:26:15,107 --> 00:26:18,110
It's an ugly planet,
a bug planet.
619
00:26:18,144 --> 00:26:20,079
[Arachnid snarls]
620
00:26:20,112 --> 00:26:22,081
Aaaah!
621
00:26:22,114 --> 00:26:24,316
Neumeier: When Paul Verhoeven
and I were talking one day,
622
00:26:24,350 --> 00:26:26,152
"What movies would
we like to make?"
623
00:26:26,185 --> 00:26:27,987
He said, "Well, I-I've always
wanted to do a movie about,
624
00:26:28,020 --> 00:26:29,521
like, what it was like to be,
you know,
625
00:26:29,555 --> 00:26:33,092
15 years old
in Nazi Germany in 1935
626
00:26:33,125 --> 00:26:35,261
when nobody knew
it was bad yet."
627
00:26:35,294 --> 00:26:37,463
It was a pretty
interesting idea.
628
00:26:37,496 --> 00:26:39,331
Verhoeven: [Dutch accent]
It came to me the idea,
629
00:26:39,365 --> 00:26:41,200
based on being a young boy
630
00:26:41,233 --> 00:26:42,869
when I was occupied
by the Germans,
631
00:26:42,902 --> 00:26:44,470
of course, in -- in Holland,
which --
632
00:26:44,503 --> 00:26:46,372
which was fascist, clearly.
633
00:26:46,405 --> 00:26:48,140
Or Nazis,
whatever you want to call it.
634
00:26:48,174 --> 00:26:49,441
I said --
I remember saying to him,
635
00:26:49,475 --> 00:26:51,077
"Well, they won't let us
do that."
636
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:53,179
But then I thought,
"Oh, 'Starship Troopers.'
637
00:26:53,212 --> 00:26:55,447
We can do that."
638
00:26:55,481 --> 00:27:00,286
Based on the book
by Robert Heinlein.
639
00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:02,655
Really is a --
kind of a political tract
640
00:27:02,689 --> 00:27:06,492
and fairly conservative
political tract where he said,
641
00:27:06,525 --> 00:27:08,494
"If people who had been
in the military ran the world,
642
00:27:08,527 --> 00:27:10,196
it would be fair and right."
643
00:27:10,229 --> 00:27:14,266
He really felt that
the kind of mentality
644
00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:17,603
that was encouraged
in the U.S. Army
645
00:27:17,636 --> 00:27:22,809
was extremely important
for making boys into men.
646
00:27:24,711 --> 00:27:27,146
Yaszek:
"Starship Troopers" is an
important science-fiction movie
647
00:27:27,179 --> 00:27:28,514
because it's one
of the few movies
648
00:27:28,547 --> 00:27:31,183
that warns us that humans
may bring
649
00:27:31,217 --> 00:27:33,085
the worst of themselves
into space
650
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,653
rather than the best
of themselves.
651
00:27:34,687 --> 00:27:36,222
Burn 'em all!
652
00:27:36,255 --> 00:27:38,157
[Arachnids screeching]
653
00:27:38,190 --> 00:27:43,996
We really tried to bring in
a level of criticism
654
00:27:44,030 --> 00:27:46,532
about what these
people are doing,
655
00:27:46,565 --> 00:27:48,701
especially in the newsreels,
656
00:27:48,735 --> 00:27:51,704
continuously telling
to the audience,
657
00:27:51,738 --> 00:27:53,172
"You like these people.
658
00:27:53,205 --> 00:27:55,274
These are your heroes
and heroines.
659
00:27:55,307 --> 00:27:56,608
By the way,
660
00:27:56,642 --> 00:27:59,178
they're probably fascist."
661
00:27:59,211 --> 00:28:00,412
Nicholson:
And what's fascinating
662
00:28:00,446 --> 00:28:02,581
about these
patriotic newsreels --
663
00:28:02,614 --> 00:28:04,984
they're very
shot-for-shot similar
664
00:28:05,017 --> 00:28:06,485
to "Triumph of the Will."
665
00:28:06,518 --> 00:28:10,389
[Nazis chanting]
666
00:28:10,422 --> 00:28:14,193
**
667
00:28:14,226 --> 00:28:16,095
[Speaks German]
668
00:28:16,128 --> 00:28:19,198
It's this galaxy
now and always!
669
00:28:19,231 --> 00:28:23,469
The movie I wanted to do was
a movie about war and propaganda
670
00:28:23,502 --> 00:28:29,175
and why we go to war and what
happens to us when we do,
671
00:28:29,208 --> 00:28:30,476
but I wanted to tell it,
you know,
672
00:28:30,509 --> 00:28:33,212
almost like a 1950s B-movie.
673
00:28:33,245 --> 00:28:36,615
"Starship Troopers" is
Troy Donahue and Sandra Dee
674
00:28:36,648 --> 00:28:39,351
go to outer space,
fight giant bugs,
675
00:28:39,385 --> 00:28:42,654
and become Nazis was
my kind of logline.
676
00:28:42,688 --> 00:28:44,323
Kill them!
Kill them all!
677
00:28:44,356 --> 00:28:46,225
[Gunfire]
678
00:28:46,258 --> 00:28:48,761
The story of humankind
is exploration
679
00:28:48,795 --> 00:28:53,232
is followed by colonialization
and exploitation,
680
00:28:53,265 --> 00:28:54,566
so we've always done this.
681
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,435
He figured
that he could get an alien
682
00:28:56,468 --> 00:28:58,670
back through quarantine
683
00:28:58,704 --> 00:29:01,573
if one of us
was impregnated.
684
00:29:01,607 --> 00:29:04,243
I don't know which
species is worse.
685
00:29:04,276 --> 00:29:06,078
You don't see them (bleep)
each other over
686
00:29:06,112 --> 00:29:07,479
for a (no audio)
damn percentage.
687
00:29:07,513 --> 00:29:09,515
And I think what you see
in science fiction is,
688
00:29:09,548 --> 00:29:11,517
as we reach out
into the universe,
689
00:29:11,550 --> 00:29:14,620
we take all of
our baggage with us.
690
00:29:18,290 --> 00:29:20,559
My parents thought
that television --
691
00:29:20,592 --> 00:29:22,294
and this is back
in the early '50s...
692
00:29:22,328 --> 00:29:24,330
Yeah?
...was the worst influence,
693
00:29:24,363 --> 00:29:26,398
so they prevented me
from watching television.
694
00:29:26,432 --> 00:29:28,534
I could only watch, like,
Jackie Gleason,
695
00:29:28,567 --> 00:29:30,236
"The Honeymooners."
Yeah, right.
696
00:29:30,269 --> 00:29:33,672
And so I started
to imagine my own shows.
697
00:29:33,705 --> 00:29:36,042
I couldn't watch television,
I would just dream up something
698
00:29:36,075 --> 00:29:37,409
for myself to enjoy.
Yeah.
699
00:29:37,443 --> 00:29:40,279
And that's what kids do when
they're exercising
700
00:29:40,312 --> 00:29:41,513
their natural ability
701
00:29:41,547 --> 00:29:43,549
to create worlds
that don't exist.
702
00:29:43,582 --> 00:29:45,784
I mean, I remember when I saw
"Mysterious Island,"
703
00:29:45,818 --> 00:29:47,386
uh, in --
in the third grade.
704
00:29:47,419 --> 00:29:49,655
I raced home and started
doing my own version
705
00:29:49,688 --> 00:29:51,190
of "Mysterious Island."
Yeah, yeah.
706
00:29:51,223 --> 00:29:53,092
So I think that's
the creative impulse.
707
00:29:53,125 --> 00:29:54,393
You take it in.
Y--
708
00:29:54,426 --> 00:29:56,395
I don't wanna copy it
in a slavish fan way.
709
00:29:56,428 --> 00:29:58,130
Yes.
I wanna create
my own version of it.
710
00:29:58,164 --> 00:30:00,066
It was -- it always had to do
with a pencil
711
00:30:00,099 --> 00:30:01,700
and a piece of paper
and, of course, later,
712
00:30:01,733 --> 00:30:03,202
the 8-millimeter
movie camera.
713
00:30:03,235 --> 00:30:06,305
But you were processing
the world back out
714
00:30:06,338 --> 00:30:09,075
in the form
of something visual.
Exactly.
715
00:30:09,108 --> 00:30:10,509
That -- that --
that -- that's a blast
716
00:30:10,542 --> 00:30:12,278
'cause, you know,
you do the same thing.
717
00:30:12,311 --> 00:30:14,580
When I sit down to storyboard,
I come up with my best ideas
718
00:30:14,613 --> 00:30:16,748
in the process of
making my sketches.
Mm-hmm.
719
00:30:16,782 --> 00:30:18,417
I mean, ideas that weren't
even in the script
720
00:30:18,450 --> 00:30:20,452
and weren't even
in my imagination...
Right.
721
00:30:20,486 --> 00:30:23,155
...will come out
as I'm actually drawing.
722
00:30:23,189 --> 00:30:29,761
**
723
00:30:29,795 --> 00:30:33,265
The science-fiction artists
are often overlooked
724
00:30:33,299 --> 00:30:34,566
in the history
of science fiction.
725
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,604
**
726
00:30:38,637 --> 00:30:41,407
But artists have
influenced authors
727
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:42,641
in their own right
because they're --
728
00:30:42,674 --> 00:30:44,776
you know, they're
bringing their ideas
729
00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:49,882
and characters to life visually.
730
00:30:49,916 --> 00:30:51,517
But you think back
to everything you
731
00:30:51,550 --> 00:30:54,286
probably have visualized
about science fiction,
732
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,688
you're probably going back
to what a science-fiction artist
733
00:30:56,722 --> 00:30:59,558
has done.
734
00:30:59,591 --> 00:31:02,461
Chesley Bonestell is considered
the father of space art
735
00:31:02,494 --> 00:31:04,630
or astronomic art.
736
00:31:04,663 --> 00:31:07,266
He started producing
in the 1940s.
737
00:31:07,299 --> 00:31:12,371
These paintings that were
extraordinarily realistic.
738
00:31:12,404 --> 00:31:15,908
You'll find, even today,
astronomers, astronauts,
739
00:31:15,942 --> 00:31:18,644
astrophysicists, engineers
who will say that,
740
00:31:18,677 --> 00:31:20,746
you know, they got into doing
what they're doing
741
00:31:20,779 --> 00:31:23,849
because, as kids, they were
inspired by Chesley Bonestell.
742
00:31:23,882 --> 00:31:26,685
**
743
00:31:26,718 --> 00:31:28,887
Taylor: The great advantage
of science fiction
744
00:31:28,921 --> 00:31:33,292
is that you can draw anything
on this vast canvas of space.
745
00:31:33,325 --> 00:31:34,826
It's all open, you know,
746
00:31:34,860 --> 00:31:37,363
for you to throw
your own imagination in.
747
00:31:37,396 --> 00:31:39,598
Jemisin: With world-building,
you are creating
748
00:31:39,631 --> 00:31:41,400
a society from scratch,
749
00:31:41,433 --> 00:31:44,270
a planet from scratch,
a people from scratch.
750
00:31:44,303 --> 00:31:47,273
They may not look like people
like you or me,
751
00:31:47,306 --> 00:31:50,809
but they are people.
752
00:31:50,842 --> 00:31:53,312
Frommer:
Every plant that you see
753
00:31:53,345 --> 00:31:55,948
in that remarkable forest
on Pandora --
754
00:31:55,982 --> 00:31:58,450
even if you see it
for half a second,
755
00:31:58,484 --> 00:32:00,953
has an English name,
756
00:32:00,987 --> 00:32:03,555
a Latin name, a Na'vi name,
757
00:32:03,589 --> 00:32:07,393
and probably a two-page
description on its ecology,
758
00:32:07,426 --> 00:32:10,562
on how it reproduces,
on how it's used by the Na'vi.
759
00:32:10,596 --> 00:32:13,232
So if you're gonna go
into that much detail,
760
00:32:13,265 --> 00:32:14,600
then you're not gonna
skimp on the language.
761
00:32:14,633 --> 00:32:17,769
[Speaking Na'vi]
762
00:32:17,803 --> 00:32:19,338
You've got to make sure
that everything
763
00:32:19,371 --> 00:32:20,639
really holds together.
764
00:32:20,672 --> 00:32:24,543
[Speaking Divine Language]
765
00:32:24,576 --> 00:32:25,711
Besson: [French accent]
And the language I wrote it,
766
00:32:25,744 --> 00:32:28,380
it's like 400 words.
767
00:32:28,414 --> 00:32:29,848
And I make a little dictionary.
768
00:32:29,881 --> 00:32:32,418
And that was interesting
because the only two person
769
00:32:32,451 --> 00:32:34,353
who can speak the language
at the time was --
770
00:32:34,386 --> 00:32:35,787
was Milla and me.
771
00:32:35,821 --> 00:32:39,791
We were kind of fluent
after a couple of weeks.
772
00:32:39,825 --> 00:32:41,460
What is your name?
773
00:32:41,493 --> 00:32:44,830
[Speaks Divine Language]
774
00:32:44,863 --> 00:32:48,900
That's her name.
[Laughs]
775
00:32:48,934 --> 00:32:50,736
I think there's like
a first, middle,
776
00:32:50,769 --> 00:32:52,804
and last somewhere in there.
[Chuckles]
777
00:32:52,838 --> 00:32:55,474
Don't ask me which.
778
00:32:55,507 --> 00:32:57,876
Working with Luc Besson,
who wrote and directed
779
00:32:57,909 --> 00:33:00,512
"Fifth Element" --
it changed my life.
780
00:33:00,546 --> 00:33:03,249
Just seemed so realistic to me,
781
00:33:03,282 --> 00:33:04,983
which I was really impressed by.
782
00:33:05,017 --> 00:33:07,886
It's the white page
that you can write everything.
783
00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:12,391
You can make everything
beautiful again in space.
784
00:33:12,424 --> 00:33:13,992
I like the fantasy of it.
785
00:33:14,026 --> 00:33:17,796
I, like, just take a subject,
like the law,
786
00:33:17,829 --> 00:33:19,865
uh, the police, the food.
787
00:33:19,898 --> 00:33:22,368
Good fortune for you.
788
00:33:22,401 --> 00:33:26,772
And then I start writing,
you know, 10, 15 pages on each.
789
00:33:26,805 --> 00:33:28,340
And then you give that
to the actors
790
00:33:28,374 --> 00:33:31,777
and it gives some life
and polish on the story,
791
00:33:31,810 --> 00:33:34,513
even if you never talk about it.
792
00:33:34,546 --> 00:33:37,783
Science fiction is probably
the best way to open your mind
793
00:33:37,816 --> 00:33:39,017
about everything,
794
00:33:39,051 --> 00:33:42,988
and sci-fi is just an oil
795
00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:45,424
so the doors open easier.
796
00:33:45,457 --> 00:33:47,493
It doesn't like
[Imitates door squeaking]
797
00:33:47,526 --> 00:33:49,961
So hard to push.
798
00:33:49,995 --> 00:33:53,399
Space is the biggest canvas
to write whatever you want
799
00:33:53,432 --> 00:33:56,368
and to push all the limits
because, by definition,
800
00:33:56,402 --> 00:33:58,804
future doesn't have a limit.
801
00:33:58,837 --> 00:34:01,873
Or if there is one,
we don't know it.
802
00:34:01,907 --> 00:34:04,943
[Chuckles]
803
00:34:04,976 --> 00:34:07,379
Gunn: When I was eight
or nine years old,
804
00:34:07,413 --> 00:34:11,517
I was obsessed with
creating different planets,
805
00:34:11,550 --> 00:34:14,586
creating these worlds
and these universes and --
806
00:34:14,620 --> 00:34:17,689
and building them up from the
ground, even at that young age.
807
00:34:17,723 --> 00:34:21,327
And I wrote up the visuals of
"Guardians of the Galaxy."
808
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,963
Hundreds of pages of documents
with the different cultures
809
00:34:24,996 --> 00:34:26,965
and what they do
and how do they think.
810
00:34:26,998 --> 00:34:29,568
**
811
00:34:29,601 --> 00:34:34,640
We are creating a world in
outer space based on real rules
812
00:34:34,673 --> 00:34:38,644
that is still filled
with imagination and fantasy.
813
00:34:38,677 --> 00:34:41,613
Oh, yeah.
814
00:34:41,647 --> 00:34:44,683
Yeah!
[Gunfire]
815
00:34:44,716 --> 00:34:46,752
When you're dealing
with a raccoon and a tree,
816
00:34:46,785 --> 00:34:48,787
you are, in some ways,
dealing with space fantasy,
817
00:34:48,820 --> 00:34:53,992
but, within that, let's say
there is a talking raccoon.
818
00:34:54,025 --> 00:34:55,127
What would it be?
819
00:34:55,161 --> 00:34:56,595
And how would it be?
820
00:34:56,628 --> 00:34:58,830
And I came up with
Rocket Raccoon
821
00:34:58,864 --> 00:35:01,900
is a result of
experiments on his body
822
00:35:01,933 --> 00:35:05,604
to turn him into something
that's designed to kill.
823
00:35:05,637 --> 00:35:08,140
Ain't no thing like me
except me.
824
00:35:08,174 --> 00:35:10,108
I am Groot.
825
00:35:10,142 --> 00:35:11,477
Yeah, you said that.
826
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:13,412
Groot's the most
popular character
827
00:35:13,445 --> 00:35:15,147
from "Guardians of the Galaxy."
828
00:35:15,181 --> 00:35:17,916
He's probably the soul
of the movie.
829
00:35:17,949 --> 00:35:19,518
I mean, I remember
like it was yesterday.
830
00:35:19,551 --> 00:35:21,687
We were getting ready
to shoot this scene
831
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:24,856
where Groot grows into
sort of like this nest
832
00:35:24,890 --> 00:35:26,892
and protects us
from this impact
833
00:35:26,925 --> 00:35:31,029
that was just going
to completely kill us.
834
00:35:31,062 --> 00:35:34,065
That day when we're shooting
that scene, that --
835
00:35:34,099 --> 00:35:36,868
we couldn't stop crying.
836
00:35:36,902 --> 00:35:39,605
This character that
doesn't even exist,
837
00:35:39,638 --> 00:35:44,576
but risking his life
for mine, was very moving.
838
00:35:44,610 --> 00:35:46,044
Wh-Why are you
doing this?
839
00:35:46,077 --> 00:35:48,714
Gunn: It's very much of
a Christ story.
840
00:35:48,747 --> 00:35:51,082
You have this character
who gives his life
841
00:35:51,116 --> 00:35:52,484
and is born again.
842
00:35:52,518 --> 00:35:54,486
We...
843
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,054
are...
844
00:35:56,087 --> 00:35:57,756
Groot.
845
00:35:57,789 --> 00:36:01,026
"We are Groot"
is the line of dialogue
846
00:36:01,059 --> 00:36:04,663
that every single other thing
in the movie is hanging on.
847
00:36:04,696 --> 00:36:07,833
It's about seeing a raccoon
and a human being
848
00:36:07,866 --> 00:36:10,769
and a green assassin
and a big oaf,
849
00:36:10,802 --> 00:36:13,705
and they find a family with
each other for the first time.
850
00:36:13,739 --> 00:36:14,973
An outer-space family.
851
00:36:15,006 --> 00:36:16,542
That's what makes it
science fiction,
852
00:36:16,575 --> 00:36:18,143
is that it's
an outer-space family.
853
00:36:20,212 --> 00:36:23,815
Woman: Today, it is you who will
learn the power of Mars.
854
00:36:23,849 --> 00:36:26,685
Tomorrow, it will be
the whole world.
855
00:36:26,718 --> 00:36:29,555
You're dreaming.
Is it about Mars?
856
00:36:29,588 --> 00:36:31,056
Man: The angry red planet.
857
00:36:31,089 --> 00:36:33,058
We're heading straight
for Mars.
858
00:36:33,091 --> 00:36:35,661
Ooh, Mars is burning up.
859
00:36:35,694 --> 00:36:38,530
Good God.
I'm on Mars.
860
00:36:40,198 --> 00:36:42,033
Rutherford: 50 years ago,
space is
861
00:36:42,067 --> 00:36:44,770
an extraordinarily
hostile environment
862
00:36:44,803 --> 00:36:46,705
and then we go through the
trajectory of science fiction,
863
00:36:46,738 --> 00:36:49,975
which includes exploring
the rest of the universe.
864
00:36:50,008 --> 00:36:52,244
But the solar system is now
very much within our reach.
865
00:36:52,278 --> 00:36:56,248
The closest Mars ever gets to us
is 36 million miles,
866
00:36:56,282 --> 00:36:59,217
which doesn't seem so huge when
you think about light-years.
867
00:36:59,251 --> 00:37:03,054
It's a tiny distance
by comparison.
868
00:37:03,088 --> 00:37:06,525
Stories like "The Martian"
make us believe
869
00:37:06,558 --> 00:37:10,128
that we can and will do this
in our own lifetime.
870
00:37:10,161 --> 00:37:13,732
I gotta figure out a way
to grow three years'
871
00:37:13,765 --> 00:37:15,967
worth of food here.
872
00:37:16,001 --> 00:37:18,103
On a planet
where nothing grows.
873
00:37:18,136 --> 00:37:20,972
In "The Martian," what you see
is a smart person
874
00:37:21,006 --> 00:37:23,141
actually acting smart.
875
00:37:23,174 --> 00:37:25,143
Using his brain
to solve problems,
876
00:37:25,176 --> 00:37:27,779
instead of a lightsaber
or a ray gun.
877
00:37:27,813 --> 00:37:30,582
They say that, once you
grow crops somewhere,
878
00:37:30,616 --> 00:37:33,051
you've officially
colonized it.
879
00:37:33,084 --> 00:37:36,288
So, technically,
880
00:37:36,322 --> 00:37:38,624
I colonized Mars.
881
00:37:38,657 --> 00:37:40,091
One of the other great things
882
00:37:40,125 --> 00:37:42,093
that Andy Weir's "The Martian"
does
883
00:37:42,127 --> 00:37:43,662
is make the experience
884
00:37:43,695 --> 00:37:47,065
seem like an everyday
experience, almost.
885
00:37:47,098 --> 00:37:50,836
You can see yourself
as Mark Watney.
886
00:37:50,869 --> 00:37:52,237
He doesn't power
through problems
887
00:37:52,270 --> 00:37:53,705
without hitting a hitch.
888
00:37:53,739 --> 00:37:55,774
He hits every
single hitch there is.
889
00:37:55,807 --> 00:37:58,644
Whoo!
890
00:37:58,677 --> 00:38:01,279
And you get to see him
work through them,
891
00:38:01,313 --> 00:38:04,316
and you find yourself thinking,
"I could do that."
892
00:38:04,350 --> 00:38:08,053
So, it's inspirational, but
it's also just very practical.
893
00:38:08,086 --> 00:38:12,791
I forgot to account
for the excess oxygen
894
00:38:12,824 --> 00:38:15,694
that I've been exhaling
895
00:38:15,727 --> 00:38:18,630
when I did my calculations
896
00:38:18,664 --> 00:38:20,832
because I'm stupid.
897
00:38:20,866 --> 00:38:24,570
The whole story is just one
prolonged cascade failure.
898
00:38:24,603 --> 00:38:27,272
Basically, his solution
to this immediate problem
899
00:38:27,305 --> 00:38:31,977
leads to the next problem and
the next and the next and so on.
900
00:38:32,010 --> 00:38:34,613
I would say that
the problem-solving style
901
00:38:34,646 --> 00:38:36,114
of Arthur Clarke
902
00:38:36,147 --> 00:38:38,249
and also Robert Heinlein
influenced
903
00:38:38,283 --> 00:38:39,951
how I wrote "The Martian,"
904
00:38:39,985 --> 00:38:42,087
although I would say one of
the biggest influences
905
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,889
on "The Martian"
was Apollo 13,
906
00:38:43,922 --> 00:38:46,224
both the real event
and the movie.
907
00:38:46,257 --> 00:38:47,626
Uh, this is Houston.
908
00:38:47,659 --> 00:38:49,227
Uh, say again, please.
909
00:38:49,260 --> 00:38:52,063
Houston, we have a problem.
910
00:38:52,097 --> 00:38:53,799
Weir: My father is
a particle physicist
911
00:38:53,832 --> 00:38:55,667
and my mother is
an electrical engineer,
912
00:38:55,701 --> 00:38:59,938
so I was pretty much
doomed to be a nerd.
913
00:38:59,971 --> 00:39:03,108
There is one joke where they
tell him everything he's typing
914
00:39:03,141 --> 00:39:05,276
is being broadcast live
to the entire world.
915
00:39:05,310 --> 00:39:06,978
Yeah?
916
00:39:07,012 --> 00:39:09,247
In the novel, he says,
"Look! A pair of boobs!"
917
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,116
and draws, like,
these ASCII art boobs --
918
00:39:11,149 --> 00:39:14,686
that's open parenthesis, period,
"Y," period, close parenthesis.
919
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:16,688
They didn't put that
in the movie.
920
00:39:16,722 --> 00:39:19,791
They just had everyone
and look up and go, "Ohh."
921
00:39:19,825 --> 00:39:21,192
Oh, my God.
922
00:39:21,226 --> 00:39:23,161
As if he'd written something
really profane.
923
00:39:25,163 --> 00:39:26,732
In the face of
overwhelming odds,
924
00:39:26,765 --> 00:39:29,735
I'm left with only one option.
925
00:39:29,768 --> 00:39:32,904
I'm gonna have to science
the (bleep) out of this.
926
00:39:32,938 --> 00:39:35,006
I'm gonna have to science
the (bleep) out of this.
927
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,742
Mm-hmm.
How -- What does
that mean to you?
928
00:39:36,775 --> 00:39:41,713
Well, it equates with his
thrill of terror, saying,
929
00:39:41,747 --> 00:39:44,883
"I'm -- I'm either gonna
die here or I can survive."
930
00:39:44,916 --> 00:39:49,287
Yep.
And so he leans heavily
on what I call gallows humor.
931
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,356
Mm-hmm.
"I'm not gonna think
too much about this.
932
00:39:51,389 --> 00:39:53,792
I'm gonna take it
day by day, hour by hour."
933
00:39:53,825 --> 00:39:56,027
Yeah.
And "I'm gonna have to
science the (bleep) out of this"
934
00:39:56,061 --> 00:39:57,763
to get my survival going.
935
00:39:57,796 --> 00:39:59,330
That kinda humor...
Yeah.
936
00:39:59,364 --> 00:40:03,034
...probably keeps in check
terror and fear
937
00:40:03,068 --> 00:40:04,703
which will stop him
functioning.
Right, right.
938
00:40:04,736 --> 00:40:06,037
Do you know
what I got out of it?
939
00:40:06,071 --> 00:40:08,874
We're all that guy.
Are --
Oh.
940
00:40:08,907 --> 00:40:12,043
That our state right now
of affairs on Earth...
941
00:40:12,077 --> 00:40:14,680
Yeah.
...is such that
we have no choice
942
00:40:14,713 --> 00:40:16,214
but to "science
the (bleep) out of it"...
943
00:40:16,247 --> 00:40:17,749
Correct.
...in order to survive.
944
00:40:17,783 --> 00:40:19,317
That's a good --
The threat's in front of us.
945
00:40:19,350 --> 00:40:21,352
Yes.
Our threats that
will be solved --
946
00:40:21,386 --> 00:40:23,121
that are --
that are caused by technology,
947
00:40:23,154 --> 00:40:25,457
for the most part, and they need
to be solved by science.
948
00:40:25,491 --> 00:40:27,859
Yes. That's a good point.
Yeah?
949
00:40:27,893 --> 00:40:30,361
Rutherford: I think the drive
for the realism of "The Martian"
950
00:40:30,395 --> 00:40:33,431
is the fact that we will
get to Mars quite soon,
951
00:40:33,465 --> 00:40:36,935
so suddenly it's come
right back to our doorstep,
952
00:40:36,968 --> 00:40:38,704
that we now have the technology
953
00:40:38,737 --> 00:40:41,006
and are building
the sophisticated means
954
00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:43,909
for getting to Mars
and colonizing Mars.
955
00:40:43,942 --> 00:40:46,745
That's why "The Martian"
is -- is important
956
00:40:46,778 --> 00:40:48,780
and why it has
that realism to it.
957
00:40:48,814 --> 00:40:50,215
Watney: This is space.
958
00:40:50,248 --> 00:40:52,283
It does not cooperate.
959
00:40:52,317 --> 00:40:54,820
At some point, everything's
gonna go south
960
00:40:54,853 --> 00:40:57,088
and you're gonna say,
"This is it."
961
00:40:57,122 --> 00:40:58,990
Now, you can either accept that,
962
00:40:59,024 --> 00:41:01,259
or you can get to work.
963
00:41:01,292 --> 00:41:05,430
If we don't figure out how
to get to Mars and live there
964
00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:07,098
and then build
another spaceship
965
00:41:07,132 --> 00:41:08,967
that can go to another
solar system...
966
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,936
Yep.
...we're toast.
967
00:41:10,969 --> 00:41:12,437
We're toast.
Yeah.
In the long term, we are.
968
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,472
And to -- And to say, yeah,
we've only got a million years
969
00:41:14,506 --> 00:41:15,807
to figure this out.
We better --
970
00:41:15,841 --> 00:41:17,509
We're way
behind schedule here.
971
00:41:17,543 --> 00:41:21,780
[Laughs]
So you have to get people
to sort of buy into the idea.
972
00:41:21,813 --> 00:41:24,082
And if we didn't have
these movies...
Yeah.
973
00:41:24,115 --> 00:41:25,483
...to say,
"This is an adventure,
974
00:41:25,517 --> 00:41:27,252
this is really
gonna be fun"...
Yep.
975
00:41:27,285 --> 00:41:28,386
...do you think we'd be
dumb enough
976
00:41:28,419 --> 00:41:30,388
to go in a spaceship
off to Mars
977
00:41:30,421 --> 00:41:32,190
where there's nothing there
but a bunch of red dirt?
978
00:41:32,223 --> 00:41:34,492
Yeah.
No, it's like
the adventure,
979
00:41:34,526 --> 00:41:36,795
the whole idea of it.
980
00:41:36,828 --> 00:41:39,064
We have to do this.
981
00:41:39,097 --> 00:41:41,066
The human race
depends on it.
982
00:41:41,099 --> 00:41:42,868
Well,
thank you for doing this.
983
00:41:42,901 --> 00:41:46,004
My pleasure.
This has been
an amazing brain jam.
984
00:41:46,037 --> 00:41:48,006
Yeah, well, this is all
I have to do now.
985
00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:50,642
[Laughs]
And I don't get to
do it very much.
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