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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:02,000 Could you, could you... 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 3 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:04,079 Have we started recording? 4 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,559 - Yeah? - Have you recorded yet? 5 00:00:06,560 --> 00:00:08,879 Do you want me to do the clapper board? I haven't done that. 6 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 7 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,719 I could do that. Look, I'll get involved. 8 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:11,680 Hold on. 9 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,320 Memories of a Free Festival, part one. 10 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:22,880 The Blitz Club was loads of fun. 11 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,840 God, it was fun. We had the best time. 12 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,719 It was just this sort of feeling of joy when you went in there, 13 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,399 that you were part of this sort of funny family. 14 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,119 It felt as though you were in a helter-skelter 15 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,680 with a bunch of paper dolls, who changed outfits at the drop of a hat. 16 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:47,399 You won't see it on our faces, but it was just a joy. 17 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,759 We were so free. 18 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,560 We didn't have mobile phones, nobody knew where you were. 19 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,960 Everything was fun. Throw in Marilyn. 20 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,799 Always upset. Throw in Boy George, Steve Strange. 21 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,239 Aw. It was like, um, a farce, you know? 22 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,200 You never knew who was going to come in on the wind next. 23 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,639 I know that it was a club in the 80s 24 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:21,439 that influenced a huge number of people, 25 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,679 even though it was only around for 18 months. 26 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,879 There was also a number that was waiting to tick over, 27 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,399 and we were very aware of that. 28 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,239 That number was 1980. 29 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,400 ♪ It's Tuesday night ♪ 30 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,720 ♪ And I'm ready for some fun ♪ 31 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,440 ♪ Oh yeah, oh yeah ♪ 32 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,360 And I think, you know, so much had happened in the 70s. 33 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:52,919 Who was going to take responsibility of the next decade? 34 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,399 And we thought, "We are. That's it. 35 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,919 {\an8}We are going to make the next decade about us 36 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,199 {\an8}and it's going to be different. 37 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,599 {\an8}You know, it's going to be in colour." 38 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,919 And I think that was a really guiding thought 39 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:10,280 in our plans as we speeded on blues and drank lots of beer. 40 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:23,080 London in the mid to late-70s, bleak. Quite bleak. 41 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,120 It was still full of bomb sites. 42 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,960 Literally we called them debris, as if the World War II was still going on. 43 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,879 It was a really dreary place. 44 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:49,040 It was also very divided and very political. 45 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,480 I can still remember, you know, the winter of discontent. 46 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,880 Blackouts, the rubbish in the streets. 47 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:05,920 The constant strikes. 48 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,119 You know, we grew up at a time when National Front 49 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,240 was openly marching in the streets of Britain. 50 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,679 Left and Right were battling it out on the streets. 51 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,640 And I do mean battling it out. 52 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,359 The police say over 50 arrests were made, 53 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,400 as the march made its way through an area with a large immigrant population. 54 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:37,999 A lot of racism. It was homophobic. It was sexist. 55 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,879 And I suppose if you were a little bit of a freak, 56 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,879 or you knew you was a little bit of a freak, 57 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,320 you kind of had to keep your head down, or know how to run fast. 58 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,599 Britain was like an old pair of mountain socks 59 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,759 left out in the rain for like two weeks and hardened in an oven. 60 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,000 It was a foul. 61 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,920 Smelly, dirty, racist, right wing, awful place. 62 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,919 When I used to walk along Oxford Street 63 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,679 dressed up as the first incarnation of Marilyn 64 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,319 and in a cocktail dress, 65 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,439 and I was literally stopped Oxford Street 66 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,200 and people are like leaning out of cars screaming out. 67 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:19,999 I was a teenager in the 70s 68 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,039 and, you know, sort of piles of rubbish and burning cars. 69 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:25,360 It was exciting. 70 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:32,279 I can still remember the feeling of that there was going to be no future. 71 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:35,000 There was no positive future coming for Britain. 72 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:49,879 In 1972, 73 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,279 I'm sitting in my mum's council house in North London, 74 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:58,159 {\an8}and I've got two older brothers who'd been Mods and Skinheads 75 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,480 {\an8}and I'm very aware of this kind of lineage of youth culture. 76 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,799 My uncles had been Teddy boys in Ladbroke Grove. 77 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,719 I kind of knew that when you grew up something exciting was meant to happen, 78 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,920 that would involve clothes and music, but I wasn't sure what it was yet. 79 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,919 And I'm sitting there on a Thursday afternoon 80 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,439 and my mum's doing the ironing or whatever's happening. 81 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,240 And Thursday's an important day, because it's Top of the Pops. 82 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,479 Yes, it's number one. It's Top of the Pops! 83 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,599 And I'm used to watching kind of a bit of glam rock 84 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,839 and a bit of American soul music. 85 00:05:34,840 --> 00:05:37,319 But no-one knew what was gonna happen next. 86 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:42,040 Because suddenly, out of the blue, this guy called David Bowie appears. 87 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:44,480 ♪ Oh, no, no ♪ 88 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:52,319 ♪ Didn't know what time it was And the lights were low ♪ 89 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,839 ♪ I leaned back on my radio ♪ 90 00:05:56,840 --> 00:06:00,879 ♪ Some cat was layin' down Some get-it-on rock 'n' roll ♪ 91 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,000 ♪ He said... ♪ 92 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,239 And he's got this haircut, 93 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,639 and it's a kind of a feather cut, but it's slightly high on top 94 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,039 when it's dyed bright red, 95 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,279 and he's wearing this incredibly androgynous, 96 00:06:10,280 --> 00:06:11,759 very tight outfit. 97 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:17,160 And I can't work out whether he's sexy, or he's strange, or he's both. 98 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,119 And he comes on and the world changes. 99 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:26,239 ♪ There's a starman waiting in the sky ♪ 100 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,559 ♪ Who would like and come to meet us ♪ 101 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,639 ♪ But he thinks he'll bow our minds ♪ 102 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,359 ♪ And there's a star... ♪ 103 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,280 That was my awakening. 104 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:36,839 I mean, I was only 12 105 00:06:36,840 --> 00:06:40,319 {\an8}but that was my sort of blossoming as a teenager. 106 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,159 {\an8}And it had such a huge impact on me. 107 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,719 ♪ Let the children use it ♪ 108 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,919 It was seen by something like a quarter of the population, 109 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,680 which, at that time, would have been about 12 or 15 million people. 110 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,760 After seeing it, some went to buy his records. 111 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,440 Some wanted to read lots about him, some wanted to dress like him, 112 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:02,560 and I wanted his hair. 113 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,239 There's a moment Bowie points his finger down the barrel of the lens and said, 114 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,560 "I had to phone someone, so I picked on you." 115 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:17,319 ♪ I had to phone someone So I picked on you ♪ 116 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,720 And that was me. 117 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,759 I remember going home at night thinking, "This is it. This is the man." 118 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,239 This was the beginning of something new. 119 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,200 This was something that I could claim. 120 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,599 I didn't really know that much about Bowie. 121 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,159 My mum's going to hate me for saying this but she doesn't like Bowie. 122 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,359 Doesn't like Bowie's music. She likes him. 123 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:41,639 She thinks he's brilliant. 124 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,560 But, like, we weren't a Bowie family. 125 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,919 {\an8}It was like Chuck Berry. It was like Stevie Wonder. 126 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,999 {\an8}There was a lot more Black music in my house. 127 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,559 {\an8}My first foray into Bowie was the "Let's Dance" record, 128 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,399 just because it's the poppiest, most known record. 129 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:02,959 And I guess I must have got into that when I was getting into all the 80s stuff. 130 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,079 It wasn't like I sat in front of my mirror and was like, 131 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,239 "Let me make my hair like that guy." 132 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,599 I was thinking about Flock of Seagulls. 133 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,840 ♪ If I had a photograph of you ♪ 134 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,280 ♪ It's something to remind me ♪ 135 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,359 I didn't really know that much about Bowie. 136 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:22,879 Like he was almost too classy. 137 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,559 ♪ She's a queen such a queen ♪ 138 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,199 ♪ Such a laughter Is sucked in their brains ♪ 139 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:34,279 ♪ Now she's leading him on And she lay right down ♪ 140 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,079 ♪ Well it could have been me Yes it could have been me ♪ 141 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,239 The first concert I ever saw was David Bowie at Wembley Arena in '76. 142 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,759 And so a lot of the proto-punks 143 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,919 and the people that would end up at the Blitz 144 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:51,119 were in that audience and you realised, "Oh my God, this is my tribe." 145 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,279 Because you saw a lot of the freaky people. 146 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:59,839 I remember seeing girls in black plastic, bin liner dresses then, in '76. 147 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,560 You know, even before the punk thing really started. 148 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,559 And there was a bit of a rumour and people were saying, 149 00:09:05,560 --> 00:09:08,239 "Oh, there's going to be this Bowie club." 150 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,960 We kind of knew that these people were going to group together . 151 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,719 The world suddenly goes from the black and white 152 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,559 of post-war bomb-site London 153 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:25,399 into this incredible, multicolor, 154 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,920 strange, gender-fluid future. 155 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,440 And honestly, the world just becomes a different place after "Starman". 156 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,159 To start with, punk was all about the clothes 157 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,279 {\an8}and all about... kind of, yeah, it was a sort of a finger to civilised, 158 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:55,959 {\an8}you know, society. 159 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,079 {\an8}But, you know, it was a fashion thing, absolutely. 160 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:00,640 No question about that. 161 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,639 We were just having fun and dressing up, 162 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,839 and meeting girls, and drinking and dancing. 163 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,319 You know, and then that carried on. 164 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,479 {\an8}We wanted the set of clothes and then the punk rock. 165 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,800 {\an8}That's why it wasn't about politics. It was a fashion. 166 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,879 I was 17 in the year of 1976. 167 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,159 It was the longest, hottest summer anyone has ever known. 168 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,879 And it's when my life took one of those turns 169 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,039 because of youth culture. 170 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,879 Because I go from being a soul boy, and I'm dancing to jazz funk 171 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:39,959 with all of my mates. 172 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,519 And then suddenly a boy called Steven Marshall, 173 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,079 who was also a soul boy like me, or at least he was, 174 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,639 until one Friday evening when I see him walking along 175 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,119 with his legs tied together and his nose pierced, 176 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,439 and he says to me, "There's this new band, Robert. 177 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,360 They're called the Sex Pistols. They're terrible. You're gonna love them." 178 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,879 ♪ I am an antichrist ♪ 179 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,239 ♪ I am an anarchist ♪ 180 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,239 ♪ Don't know what I want But I know how to get it ♪ 181 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,639 ♪ I want to destroy the passer-by ♪ 182 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,560 In August 1976, we went to this concert. 183 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:19,439 The Buzzcocks came on, and then The Clash, followed by the Pistols. 184 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,360 It was sarcastic. It was ironic. 185 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,199 I've quit my band the day after, 186 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,679 {\an8}and Steve Norman and I went back into school in September 187 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:32,720 {\an8}and formed what became Spandau Ballet. 188 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:40,039 The Sex Pistols third-ever gig or something 189 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:41,959 was at Wickham Students Union. 190 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,719 Unfortunately, I worked with the Students Union at that point, 191 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,719 and when they went off after three numbers, 192 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,760 everybody wanted their money back. 193 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,039 I came from The Wirral, 194 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,479 but I went to boarding school in Liverpool 195 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,720 and was there really until I came down to London. 196 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,600 I think that's really where I sort of found my identity. 197 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,959 Everything around me just seemed fake. 198 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,239 It certainly wasn't a dream. 199 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,519 I didn't think it was particularly a nightmare, either, but it wasn't the, 200 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,040 certainly it wasn't the reality I wanted to have. 201 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,200 Punk came along and they were showing something different. 202 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:24,279 I grew up in the countryside, 203 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,239 in like a small village just outside Oxford, 204 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,519 and I always remember being very aware that I didn't think I was very pretty. 205 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,799 {\an8}So I always tried to make things that didn't make me look like anyone else. 206 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,599 {\an8}So you know, I always, 207 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,719 I think that's why I really got into punk earlier on. 208 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,080 It was like a way that you could express yourself. 209 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,079 ♪ Oh shut your mouth ♪ 210 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,720 ♪ Oh, oh, oh! ♪ 211 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,080 ♪ The money you've got! ♪ 212 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:00,079 And what punk was, was a firework display. 213 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,599 It lit up the sky. 214 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,039 It was brief, it was violent, it was explosive, 215 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,639 it was fantastic, it was exciting, thrilling, scary. 216 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,440 Didn't last very long, as fireworks displays don't. 217 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,279 But it showed us something, because punk had a message which is, 218 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:21,959 "You can do it." 219 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,399 You don't have to be an incredible musician, 220 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,559 you don't have to be a famous writer, 221 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:29,559 you don't have to be a well-known fashion designer. 222 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:32,679 You can do it. Three chords and you're a musician. 223 00:13:32,680 --> 00:13:34,559 And that was the message 224 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:37,800 which sustained British youth culture from that point on. 225 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:46,999 By the middle of 1977, I'd kind of stopped going to punk gigs. 226 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,840 The bands weren't very good. The music wasn't very good. 227 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:56,280 So I personally felt very disappointed and let down, 228 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,639 because I used to go everywhere 229 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,119 looking for that exciting moment in pop culture 230 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:03,600 that I could take part in. 231 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:15,040 Where I grew up, when I was a child, it was the 60s and a very exciting time. 232 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,359 My family were from Soho. 233 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,320 The West End was like a playground. 234 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,599 My parents weren't in any way involved with pop culture, 235 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,560 but you couldn't miss it. It was going on all around. 236 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:33,839 And I just thought, 237 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:38,039 "Well at some point, I will be part of that." 238 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,280 And it was what I kind of aspired to. 239 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:43,799 And so as a teenager, 240 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,879 I used to go everywhere and to everything 241 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:52,519 to try and find that exciting, swinging London thing. 242 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,640 It was somewhere. It must be. 243 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:56,480 I didn't want to give up. 244 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,999 I suppose we were quite poor. 245 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,999 I was brought up in Islington with my brother, Martin, 246 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:14,319 and Mum and Dad living in a small rented floor 247 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,559 of a slightly larger house. 248 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,519 We shared one outside loo 249 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:24,039 with two other families, and no bathroom. 250 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,279 I remember my mum crying, 251 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,879 because she couldn't afford to buy me a new pair of shoes 252 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,800 when I'd outgrown the ones that I already had. 253 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,679 My parents bought me a guitar when I was 11 for Christmas, 254 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,959 and, which I hated. 255 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,679 Uh, but within a few months I'd written my own songs. 256 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,440 Never interested in playing anyone else's. 257 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,679 I became obsessed with the guitar 258 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,959 as a way of stopping myself feeling lonely, if you like, 259 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,320 'cause I don't think I was great with friends as a kid. 260 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,559 I was born in Paddington, actually. 261 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,279 I wasn't brought up in a black area. 262 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:04,159 I was one of the only raisins in the flour, basically. 263 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,959 Like living in an area surrounded by a lot of white people. 264 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,559 So I had a lot of drama, as far as that was concerned. 265 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,239 My parents got divorced 266 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:13,919 and I ended up going into children's homes. 267 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,000 So I spent a lot of time in Essex, Kent 268 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,519 and ending up basically in Essex and East London, 269 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,719 by the time all this kind of scene was actually just starting around, 270 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,720 Punk was about starting around that time. 271 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,879 Let me take you for a walk down the Kings Road in Chelsea, in 1976. 272 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:43,160 It's a Saturday, 273 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,679 and you've gone probably with a couple of mates from your estate. 274 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,679 You're all dressed up in your kind of teen finery. 275 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,400 And there's this incredible parade going on. 276 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,519 There's a load of boys who've come up from Wales. 277 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:58,919 One of them's this guy called Steve. 278 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,159 Another one's called Chris, Chris Sullivan, 279 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,559 and they're really pushing the boat out. 280 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,639 One of em's got a chain from his ear to his nose. 281 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,599 Another one of them's dyed his hair pillbox red. 282 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,078 It'd turned into this sort of football pitch, 283 00:17:13,079 --> 00:17:14,399 because on Saturday afternoons 284 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,999 you had generic punks and you had teddy boys, 285 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,440 and it was a kind of a war zone. 286 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,118 I used to get the bus up to London with my friends, 287 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,999 and I still can't work out how my mum and dad allowed me to do this. 288 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,679 But anyway, I did. 289 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,760 I mean, there were teddy boys running around, chasing us around. 290 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,239 I remember we ended up in the Crypt in Paddington 291 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:37,679 and barricaded ourselves in 292 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,799 because they were trying to get us from outside. 293 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,319 It was sort of quite terrifying, 294 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,640 but there was just something so exciting about it. 295 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,319 And the focus of it was a shop, 296 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,079 the scariest shop I've ever known in the world. 297 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:52,080 It was called Sex. 298 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,679 And in there are the people who would become the Sex Pistols. 299 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,239 In there was Adam Ant. 300 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:01,959 In there hanging out was Boy George. 301 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,959 In there was this whole cast 302 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:08,239 {\an8}of a kind of British pop soap opera that is about to unfold, 303 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,239 {\an8}and it's all taking place every Saturday afternoon, 304 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:15,279 going up and down the Kings Road, until the teddy boys arrive and chase you. 305 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,279 And believe me, being chased by a teddy boy 306 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,959 when you're wearing bondage trousers with your legs tied together 307 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,560 is quite scary. 308 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,519 I remember around that time, 309 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:36,199 I was actually living in the Kings Road, above Antiquarius. 310 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,720 I shared a flat with Steve Strange and Rusty Egan. 311 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,319 So I met everyone, and Steve Strange 312 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,999 was just one of those people that I met along the way. 313 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:52,879 And, um, I believe I met him in the Kings Road, as you do, 314 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:54,199 on a Saturday. 315 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,479 "Hello John Moss. Hello Boy George, hello everybody." 316 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,359 Walking down the Kings Road. 317 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:03,560 And, um... he invited me to a gig. 318 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:12,840 And then, "Can I stay on your floor?" 319 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,239 Staying on my floor became five years of being my flatmate. 320 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,599 And never really paying the rent, you know. 321 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:25,760 I never can, unless you really, "They're going to evict us!" 322 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,879 Steve Strange, he had a difficult upbringing, don't you forget. 323 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,639 I mean, he was, His parents were quite well off, in a way. 324 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,439 They owned lots of cafes and stuff, 325 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,439 like greasy spoons, and his dad committed suicide, 326 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,079 and they were plunged back into Newbridge. 327 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,760 The council estate where he comes, it's a rough estate where he comes from. 328 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,079 And I think he had a few run-ins. 329 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,600 I think he was nicked at one point for stealing hair dye, if I believe. 330 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,719 Our crowd as well, he was gay, I was straight. 331 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:56,960 It didn't really matter. 332 00:19:58,360 --> 00:20:00,080 We were applauded for being ourselves. 333 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:02,960 Nobody was conforming, ever. 334 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,520 {\an8}I was very pretty. 335 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,399 {\an8}Everyone used to say, "What's your daughter's name?" 336 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,719 That was it. I was always called a girl. 337 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,879 Everywhere I went, other kids called me a girl. 338 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,559 From about six or seven, I had kind of long hair. 339 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,479 You know, I was a bit like sort of David Cassidy. 340 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,880 You know that kind of flicked sort of hair. 341 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,599 I was drawn to bright things, 342 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,839 so if Mum wanted to buy me like a brown jumper, 343 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,559 I wanted the one that was orange, with a palm tree, you know. 344 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,960 I used to get into a lot of arguments. 345 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,239 And I was like pretty sensitive, outspoken. 346 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:48,119 I was you know, always called names, from as long as I can remember, 347 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:50,120 long before I really even knew what they meant. 348 00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:55,159 You know, if there was a gay person on telly, 349 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,519 I'd get called that person the next day. 350 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,840 Larry Grayson, whatever it was. 351 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,720 Well, I'm cock-a-hoop. 352 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:04,959 I mean, I'm not a screamer, 353 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,840 but I knew I wasn't like other boys, from a very early age. 354 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,760 My upbringing in Glasgow was incredibly basic. 355 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,800 I was born in a tenement slum. 356 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:28,559 My father was a van driver and mother did a few odd jobs, 357 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:29,640 but mainly housewife. 358 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:35,720 Outside toilet, gas mantles in the hallways. 359 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,559 Uh, cavity bed, you know, 360 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,840 a hole in the wall that my parents slept in. 361 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:42,640 Very basic. 362 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:50,399 {\an8}So my outlet, my fantasy, my escape, was radio. 363 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:51,599 {\an8}I was useless at sport. 364 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,160 {\an8}Most kids played football and kicked that around. 365 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,640 {\an8}And I just fantasised about being able to make music. 366 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,199 At the age of 24, I packed my guitar, my amp, 367 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,039 some clothes into my 200 pound Vauxhall Wyvern 368 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,399 and headed south to join the Rich Kids. 369 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,240 ♪ ...that I could for ♪ 370 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:14,120 ♪ Oh, but even so ♪ 371 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,599 ♪ The guys around me they astound me ♪ 372 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,880 ♪ They make things very clear ♪ 373 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,720 ♪ So why don't you stand in line ♪ 374 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,600 ♪ I have no fear ♪ 375 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,279 ♪ I'm talking about rich kids ♪ 376 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:31,999 When I met the guys from the Rich Kids, 377 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,679 I mean, obviously I'd seen Glenn on television, 378 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,600 and I'd read interviews with Glenn because of the Pistols. 379 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,279 I'd never met Steve, who was 17 at the time. 380 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,720 Straight out of school, wild guitarist. 381 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,280 And Rusty, who was just a powerhouse. 382 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,759 Rusty spoke at a million miles an hour, he drummed at a million miles an hour. 383 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,639 He was a really good drummer. 384 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,839 Um, you know, he'd been brought up in jazz bands and all sorts of stuff. 385 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,920 He could play loads of different styles. 386 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,160 My earliest memory of music in my household, 387 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,600 my parents are musicians. 388 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:14,439 Irish. 389 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,999 My dad played sax and all wind instruments. 390 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,959 My mum played the organ, the accordion. 391 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,119 So my upbringing was Irish music. 392 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:25,839 I called it be-diddly-diddly-diddly-diddly. 393 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:30,319 Anyway, but my dad had jazz records, 394 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,959 and jazz drummers 395 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:37,159 really got me interested when I was about 13, 14. 396 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,240 So I got into music through my dad's jazz. 397 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,479 Rusty talked louder than he could play. 398 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:47,999 And he was great, 399 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,839 and he instantly kind of latched onto me, like a long-lost brother. 400 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,319 You know, he was tall and gangly and skinny, and he was, 401 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,559 "Yeah, all right, mate. We're gonna, yeah." You know. 402 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,759 He was just this powerhouse of a character. 403 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,319 He was absolutely enthused 404 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,919 and one of the kind of driving forces of the Rich Kids. 405 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,519 He was non-stop. He was the Duracell bunny, 406 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,280 but you couldn't turn them off. 407 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:21,999 Steve got himself a little job in a shop called PX 408 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:27,720 in the, at that time, derelict area of Covent Garden. 409 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,639 Then Steve said to me, 410 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:35,279 "Oh, do you fancy working in PX a couple of days a week, you know?" 411 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,919 And I thought, "Yeah, sure." 'Cause I wasn't really doing anything. 412 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:42,560 And we sat in there, done up to the nines. 413 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:48,159 1978, I'm now a student at the LSE. And I'm political, 414 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,279 and I'm still wearing kind of a leather biker's jacket 415 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,199 adorned with "rock against racism" badges and all of that sort of stuff. 416 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,319 And I heard that this new shop had opened in Covent Garden. 417 00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,239 And you have to understand, 418 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,399 Covent Garden tube station in the late '70s closed at the weekends 419 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,720 'cause Covent Garden was so dead. 420 00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:08,639 But someone said, "No, there's this new shop open called PX." 421 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:09,999 And I went in there 422 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,719 and they were selling the oddest array of clothing 423 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,560 that I'd seen since Malcolm McLaren at Sex. 424 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:20,919 Steve Strange and I, um, we had a very enlightening time. 425 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:27,159 Um, we were always discussing style, our next look. 426 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,039 We were always sort of planning and plotting things. 427 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:35,680 Steve had an air of ambition about him. 428 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,359 And he was very excited about you know, 429 00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:43,360 what was going on and he wanted to make things happen. 430 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,199 And I bought a top. 431 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,359 And this one was what Steve described as a space Cossack top. 432 00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:52,999 I don't know what space Cossacks actually do for a living, 433 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,199 but they clearly have big padded shoulders, 434 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,479 and they have a diagonal kind of diamante sash across the front. 435 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,479 Very tight and fitting. 436 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:06,000 And I put this top on and Steve went, "You look fabulous, darling." 437 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,640 At the time, Steve Strange and Rusty Egan 438 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:20,439 decided to do a one night a week type club, 439 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,759 um, for all the people that were coming into the shop, 440 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,399 the new people we were meeting, 441 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,719 but also other people that were gravitating 442 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,839 towards different kind of music being played in clubs, 443 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,000 and it was something that was our scene. 444 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:45,199 {\an8}So me and Steve went round St. Martin's Art College going, 445 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,959 {\an8}"We're having a party in the mews." 446 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,400 {\an8}And we gave them the address. 447 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,879 And then we went to Smile, the hairdresser. 448 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,879 Then we went to Fiorucci, and then we Winter to Acme Attractions 449 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,959 and down the Kings Road to all... 450 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,320 and basically, about 200 people showed up at my house. 451 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,600 Party went on till about 4:00 in the morning. 452 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,399 Couple of girls lying in my bed. I like this! You know? 453 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,360 Um... 454 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,759 The Rich Kids were on the edge of splitting up. 455 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,959 Might have to go and sign on. 456 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,080 So I said, "Steve, you know that party we had?" 457 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,839 "Yeah." "Why don't we get all them people into one of these clubs, 458 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,839 and I'll play the bloody music! They want Bowie." 459 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,600 ♪ She's so swishy in her satin and tat ♪ 460 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,239 ♪ In her frock, coat And bipperty-bopperty hat... ♪ 461 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,800 They want the Banshees. 462 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,600 They want Roxy Music. 463 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,600 They want Kraftwerk. 464 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,640 And he went, "Well, let's go and find the club." 465 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,040 So we went round all the clubs, and a lot of them 466 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,159 looked at a 19, 20-year-old Steve Strange 467 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:11,560 and a 21-year-old Rusty and said, "Piss off." 468 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:24,039 So one bloke, really, the guy is a scumbag out of Meat Street. 469 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,799 He's got the Fedora hat, he's got the collar, 470 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,439 he's got the two henchmen, right? 471 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,320 And he's like, "What do you wanna do?" 472 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,119 "We'll bring 200 kids in here. They're all broke. They're all broke. 473 00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:41,839 You've gotta have happy hour all night, on a Tuesday, 474 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:47,279 in November, in 1979, in a depression." 475 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,519 "You can bring 200 kids in here?" 476 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:54,680 We went, "Well yeah, but we're going to charge 'em 50p to get in, 477 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,000 and we get the 50p." 478 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,760 And he goes, "Sounds like a deal." 479 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,399 And I'm just about to leave the shop and Steve went, 480 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,719 "Oh and by the way, Rusty and I are doing a club 481 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,639 at this place called Billy's in Soho. It's a Bowie night. You've gotta come." 482 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,440 And I went away thinking, "Do you know what? "I might go to that." 483 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,479 I think I was really nervous that first night I went to Billy's 484 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,000 and I was quite intimidated by Steve Strange. 485 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,920 You know, I think he was the first openly gay boy I'd ever met. 486 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,320 And I think we got in 'cause he fancied my brother, probably, Martin. 487 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,679 Billy's was a very small, quite tatty, sort of gay soul club. 488 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,799 But as soon as I walked into that room, 489 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,520 I knew instantly that this is the next thing that's gonna happen. 490 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,519 {\an8}We started going to Billy's as soon as it opened. 491 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,559 {\an8}Rusty was playing that music and even though we loved disco, 492 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,239 {\an8}this was the first time you'd really hear David Bowie or Roxy Music 493 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,120 {\an8}or any of those sort of bands. 494 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,399 ♪ Make me a deal ♪ 495 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,479 ♪ And make it straight ♪ 496 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,519 ♪ All signed and sealed... ♪ 497 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:25,759 I looked at my DJ set as a message to the people 498 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,879 who were wearing the clothes, listening to the music. 499 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:35,279 I felt that there was an artistic message in music, 500 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,640 and musicians, and our heroes. 501 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,559 ♪ And now I wanna be your dog ♪ 502 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,959 ♪ Five years ♪ 503 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,799 ♪ What a surprise... ♪ 504 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,519 Every song had a message about a person 505 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,879 that was Andy Warhol, that was David Bowie, 506 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,680 that was to do with what we listened to. 507 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,039 It was beneath a brothel in Soho. 508 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,719 The brothel was called the Golden Girl Club 509 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,000 and believe me, the girls weren't golden. 510 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,839 And Steve was standing there on the door, 511 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,479 and Steve had on, I can remember exactly what he was wearing. 512 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,319 {\an8}He was wearing a pillbox cap and a very high fitting kind of jacket, 513 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,959 {\an8}short little jacket like that. 514 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,999 {\an8}Looked like somewhere between a bellboy and a spaceman. 515 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,119 And he said, "Oh, I'm so glad you came over. Come in. 516 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,560 "You'll know some people." 517 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,760 There was one mirror ball, 518 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,199 and as I walked in there were probably 20 people there, maybe. 519 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,720 It was the first night of this club. 520 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,839 {\an8}And instantly, I knew this was it. 521 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,400 {\an8}That I'd found my scene. 522 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,519 I remember going down the stairs and hearing a kind of music 523 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:49,759 that I hadn't heard in a club before. 524 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,199 {\an8}It wasn't rock, it wasn't disco. 525 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,760 {\an8}It was a slow, pulsating, Germanic sound. 526 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,919 And then seeing same-sex couples dancing together 527 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,719 in a kind of slow-motion jive, 528 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,519 and I think there was this idea that it was some sort of 529 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,559 reproduction of Weimar Germany, you know. 530 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,120 That it was very decadent. 531 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,039 And I thought, "This is a bit scary. 532 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,640 My parents would really disapprove of this." 533 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,200 But it was the most exciting place I'd ever walked into. 534 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,199 Everyone was doing everyone else. It was like a Petri dish. 535 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,519 {\an8}It was horrific. 536 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,960 {\an8}Except me. I didn't do any of those people. 537 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,240 {\an8}I didn't want to catch anything. 538 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,279 Everybody was playing games with their sexuality, 539 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,160 with their clothing, with their identity. 540 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,000 The Sex Pistols had sung, "No Future" 541 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,679 and at that time, that felt like a promise. 542 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,279 "We don't want any more of this." 543 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,719 But suddenly there was a future, 544 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,759 and it was going to be very different 545 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,000 and it was likely to happen in a place like that. 546 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,440 My first night at the Billy's club, 547 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,319 I remember Steve Dagger saying, "This is it". 548 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,400 This is what we've been waiting for. This is our thing." 549 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,239 I said, "Listen, this is the next wave of culture. 550 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,759 There is no band. This is really early. 551 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,439 You must be the band. "This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity 552 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,319 of becoming part of something that will mean something to people. 553 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,640 It's a wave to be caught." 554 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,960 And I think the very next day, I went out and bought a synthesiser. 555 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:43,840 The bottom line is, 556 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,519 that club got really popular really quick, 557 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,720 and we got taken into the office of the bigger boss. 558 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,880 "We're going to double the price of the drinks." 559 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:00,880 I said, "I'm out of here." 560 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,240 {\an8}And Steve said, "So am I. let's find another club." 561 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:11,678 So I was sitting in this all-night cafe and the two bears walked in 562 00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:14,760 and sat either side of me, you know, like out of a movie. 563 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,360 And they lent over, and they said, "The man wants to see you." 564 00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:22,159 And I went, "You mean now?" 565 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,718 And they went, "Nah, buy us a burger and we'll tell you about it." 566 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,119 So I bought these blokes a burger, 567 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,238 which was a lot of money for me and they went, 568 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,399 "Well he's really upset, 569 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,759 but I reckon if you disappear for a few weeks, 570 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,320 it'll all blow over." 571 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,999 So Steve went off looking for the club, 572 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,120 The Blitz, 573 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,440 and I was in Dusseldorf. 574 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:51,400 So now here I am, in Dusseldorf, in the Konigsallee, 575 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,599 in the club where "she's a model and she's looking good" 576 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,960 and I'm there for one reason only. 577 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,079 "Does anyone know Kraftwerk?" 578 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,360 "Yeah, it's a power station and it's up the road." 579 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,640 "No, it's a band." 580 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:09,560 "They're over there." 581 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,759 Ralph and Florian are in the club. 582 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:14,839 Grabbed the girl. 583 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,999 "We gotta go talk to Ralph and Florian." 584 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,799 And I sort of sidle over and say, 585 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,040 "Hey, guys, I'm Rusty Egan. I'm from London." 586 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,399 And, um, they were like, "Yeah?" 587 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,679 "I've come looking for you. I can't believe you're in the club." 588 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,599 And they're like, "You came to find us?" 589 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:39,960 I said, "Yeah. Your music in London is amazing." 590 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,519 "Everyone's dancing to it, like showroom dummies, right? 591 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,720 They're all dancing like robots." 592 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,719 And they're going, "No!" and I'm going, "Yeah!" 593 00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:54,200 I said, "I love it." 594 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:55,920 And they went, 595 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:02,320 "Well, we never thought we'd make dance music. 596 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,960 "We don't make dance music." I said, "What about the Model?" 597 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,519 And they said, "Well that's because we like to watch the daughters 598 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,320 of the industrialists dance." 599 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:37,560 If you went to Covent Garden in '78, '79, 600 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,799 the market had already gone. 601 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,239 There weren't any streetlights, 602 00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:47,199 and if, during the winter of discontent there was rubbish everywhere, it was grey. 603 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,840 It literally was grey. 604 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,600 And London was a pretty ugly place. 605 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,759 So going to The Blitz was like, 606 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,599 it was like going into a sort of decadent club 607 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,920 in the 30s might have been, in Berlin. 608 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,679 Well The Blitz was, it was a curious one 609 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,439 {\an8}because basically it was done up to look like 610 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:20,520 {\an8}it was celebrating probably the most arduous time in Britain ever. 611 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,320 You know, when Britain was being bombed. 612 00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:30,639 But it was completely at odds with the type of people who went there, 613 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:31,799 because it was all these people 614 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,960 in these futuristic kind of outfits at the time. 615 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,719 It was all like Bovril signs and sort of, you know, 616 00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:42,119 tin hats and cuttings from the Blitz and a very morbid thing to celebrate, 617 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,880 you know, all these bombed-out buildings. 618 00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:47,799 We thought it was quite amusing. 619 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,439 And I think Steve Strange actually really liked the idea. 620 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,599 So it was sort of like a bistro with like chairs and tables 621 00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:00,279 with red and white gingham tablecloths and candles melting down, 622 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,839 and sort of like wartime posters going on. 623 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,160 Sort of quite camp. 624 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,039 Everybody really dressed up. 625 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,240 Everybody looking fabulous. 626 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,879 {\an8}It's what the club's about. It's about fashion, it's about looks. 627 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,279 {\an8}Um, I mean, the men dress outrageous, the women dress outrageous. 628 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,599 As I say, the men dress Edwardian, Dickensian, 629 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:34,799 or whatever their look is. 630 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,239 They've gotta have a look to get through the door, 631 00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:37,440 the same with the women. 632 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,279 {\an8}It was extremely competitive. 633 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,639 {\an8}I don't think there were cliques of people, 634 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,239 but there were certain groups of people. 635 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:49,479 Like there was the Welsh contingent, Chris and Steve, 636 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:54,199 and then there was the Bromley block, so Siouxsie was there maybe, 637 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,520 and then there was the Art School lot. 638 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,119 And the one thing about being a St. Martins fashion student, 639 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,440 we were really ghastly and pretentious. 640 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:06,999 And we never smiled. 641 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,840 If you look at those photographs of us, it looks like we had really bad teeth. 642 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,360 {\an8}We sort of kept to ourselves because we felt terribly superior. 643 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,840 Oh, god. 644 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,679 The door policy at The Blitz, 645 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,759 I mean, it started at Billy's, but then at The Blitz, 646 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,879 Steve would sit there in all his peacock finery 647 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:36,999 and looking extraordinary, and people would queue outside. 648 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,319 But we never queued, do you know what I mean? 649 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,919 {\an8}I knew I was going to swan in, do you know what I mean? 650 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,640 {\an8}There was no fear of that. 651 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:46,879 The kids that take the effort to dress up, 652 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,519 I mean, they don't take half an hour to get dressed up, 653 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,399 they take more or less three or four hours to get dressed up, 654 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,079 and they like to feel, when they're inside that door, 655 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,119 they can feel safe. 656 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,080 And if they're not safe, it's not their club. 657 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,639 This is why people say it was elitist. 658 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,479 It wasn't elitist. It was protective. 659 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,439 People forget, you know. They think, "Oh, it was elite." 660 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,759 No, it wasn't. What Steve tried to do and what I tried to do later 661 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,239 was protect those who wanted to be themselves, 662 00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:14,719 who wanted to dress up, which is ever our right. 663 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:16,679 You don't get loads of football hooligans 664 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,519 waiting outside fancy-dress parties, do you, you know? 665 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,120 But it wasn't a fancy dress party because we were like that all the time. 666 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,679 {\an8}I'd started to design clothes, 667 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,559 {\an8}and there was one other girl at the college, 668 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,919 London College of Fashion called Clare Thom, 669 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,439 and she was in the year above me, 670 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,480 and it was really funny because she looked extraordinary. 671 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,319 {\an8}One night, Clare Thom said, 672 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,679 {\an8}"Do you want to come to this club? I think you'll really like it," 673 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,079 {\an8}which was The Blitz. 674 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,399 I remember exactly what I wore. 675 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,599 I remember wearing, because I was really stressing, going, 676 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,359 "It's going to be really cool, 'cause she's really cool. 677 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,999 I don't know how I'm gonna fit in with this." 678 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,719 And she said, "It's a really strict door policy" 679 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:54,439 and I went, "But maybe I won't get in." 680 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,719 And I just remember going up there with her and being quite nervous, 681 00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:57,999 and she knew Steve Strange. 682 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,879 So she had already sort of met all these people. 683 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,759 And she took me in, and I remember going in. 684 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,359 I was like, "Ohh! 685 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,599 "This is where I want to be. This is suddenly..." 686 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,919 {\an8}And it sounds so silly but suddenly there were all these people 687 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,480 {\an8}who look like the people that I will want as friends. 688 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:19,599 You know, first of all, let's just talk 689 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,840 about how sometimes difficult it was to get in, 690 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,399 especially if you were a rival, 691 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,959 and I was a rival of Steve's at that point. 692 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,319 We weren't really always on the best terms, 693 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,479 so there would be periods where I'd be his best friend, 694 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,680 then he'd kind of get rid of me and replace me with someone else. 695 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,080 So I was always at war with Steve. 696 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,799 There was this kind of terrible fear that I'd get there, 697 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:42,759 and I wouldn't get in. 698 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,759 And I think there were one or two times 699 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,519 when he tried not to let me in, 700 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,439 but unfortunately I knew so many people 701 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,240 that just got on his fucking case that he just had to let me in. 702 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:06,279 I couldn't walk into a shop and buy expensive clothes. 703 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,160 But I did look good, and I had my hair cut good. 704 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,359 The fashion thing was thrift stores. 705 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,759 So I would go out and wear 1940s suits and ties 706 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,399 and cravats and blazers and yeah, 707 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,319 so I was a bit more film noir. 708 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:26,360 Back up. 709 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,359 He was going to beat me up once in a tube station. 710 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:35,040 That was hilarious, where he was dressed as sort of like... 711 00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:37,279 He was wearing this sort of Captain Biggles look. 712 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,639 You know, it was kind of cool. He used to have some great looks, Rusty, 713 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,399 and he was, Rusty was quite hot when he was younger as well. 714 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:43,599 And he was kind of gorgeous. 715 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,199 He had the slicked hair and everything. 716 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,239 And we kept calling him Captain Biggles, 717 00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:49,479 and we were just torturing him and torturing him. 718 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,439 And in the end, he went for me on the Tube. 719 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:53,759 He denies it to this day. 720 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,320 He's like, "I never did that, mate." Oh, yeah. But we did push him. 721 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,239 Me and Marilyn just literally kept pecking away 722 00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:01,080 like a couple of nasty crows. 723 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:07,559 I mean, Marilyn, who is absolutely gorgeous, threw us all. 724 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,199 And if you asked Marilyn 725 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,240 what his real name was, he'd say Norma Jean. 726 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,799 {\an8}And Marilyn was really young then. 727 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,319 {\an8}I think he was like, 16, 17, even when we were living in the squat. 728 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,799 So for him to be dressing up fulltime as Marilyn then, 729 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,319 well you just didn't see people like that walking in the streets. 730 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,479 I mean, gender, you know, the gender bender 731 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,199 or whatever they called it, but gender fluid, 732 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,080 you just didn't see people like that, and especially people that young. 733 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,439 The genesis of it, 734 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,599 because I was really bullied in school. 735 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,679 I mean, like the whole school. 736 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,240 I used to be frightened to go out into the playground and stuff. 737 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,319 So I had to kind of like, it was build up this internal like... 738 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,999 And I grew my hair really long on one side, 739 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,319 so I was hiding behind the hair, 740 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,199 and walking along the corridors of the school. 741 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,359 And I used to wear drainpipes. 742 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,719 This is when everyone wore flares. 743 00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:05,559 And I put all safety pins down my... 744 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,119 And the more they did it, it made me go, "You're calling me a name? 745 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,160 "Look at you." 746 00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:13,640 I used to go in to do art classes, 747 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,759 and the teacher would say, like still life, 748 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,400 like a vase and an apple. 749 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,279 I'd draw Marilyn Monroe. 750 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,479 And they'd say, 751 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,559 "Draw the Tower Bridge" and I'd draw Marilyn Monroe. 752 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,840 Whatever they asked me, I would always draw Marilyn Monroe. 753 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,759 So I was coming out of art class one day 754 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,759 and then I heard, "Oh Marilyn, it's Marilyn!" 755 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,839 And I'm thinking, "Oh, god, here we go." 756 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,119 And I thought, "You know what? I'm gonna keep that name 757 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:44,719 and any, you know, in the future, you'll be reading that name 758 00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:47,320 and you'll still be in this school, probably cleaning it." 759 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,759 And I love Marilyn Monroe. 760 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,960 I am Marilyn. I'm still Marilyn. 761 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,079 Very quickly you realised that to be a Blitz kid, 762 00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:01,559 to be part of that crowd, had to be a fulltime profession. 763 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,359 So it kind of was like you knew this was a fork in your life. 764 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:06,679 "Am I committed to this? 765 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,959 Am I prepared to take the stick that you're gonna get 766 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,839 back on the council estate where you live? 767 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,479 Am I prepared to take the ribbing from my brothers? 768 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,839 Am I prepared to worry my mother sick? 769 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,199 Am I prepared to almost say, 'This is my future' 770 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:20,479 'cause I'm committed to this." 771 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,920 And I was. I loved it, instantly. 772 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:24,839 The first time in a long time, 773 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,519 {\an8}young people are managing, I think very successfully, 774 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:33,439 {\an8}to combine enjoying themselves with being creative and intelligent. 775 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,599 I mean, the people may dress what you'd call 'up' 776 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,359 but for me, it's a statement of their own creativity. 777 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,800 It's a statement of their own art. 778 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:43,679 From that moment on, 779 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,319 knew that this was going to shape whatever I did, 780 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,639 'cause I saw that this was kind of a way out, 781 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,720 or the way in, or a way somewhere. 782 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,519 But it did become a full-time job 783 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,399 and you got to a point then, when people started living together. 784 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,320 They moved into squats together. 785 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,759 We lived in really terrible flats, with no central heating, 786 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,719 {\an8}do you know what I mean, or squats. 787 00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:13,999 {\an8}And I went out every night, 788 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,519 {\an8}because it was, one, fun to go out 789 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,599 and two, you'd be warm, do you know what I mean? 790 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,239 It was like... I don't think people... 791 00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:24,799 I think we've all chosen to forget how grim it was. 792 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,959 I think Warren Street has been glamorised, 793 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:33,599 but you know, it was a squat, with a lot of teenagers living in it. 794 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,040 Imagine. 795 00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:48,479 But looking fabulous all the time with no money is being creative. 796 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,839 So you... I grabbed some... 797 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:58,159 {\an8}My grandmother had these beautiful black Rogaine swing coats, 798 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,759 {\an8}and you'd wear em back to front. 799 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,040 We would turn something into something else. 800 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,639 Well, I make all my own clothes, so... 801 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,599 - Do you? What about you? - Yeah. 802 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,960 - She makes em. - I make all his as well. 803 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,759 The dressing up of it, 804 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,999 everyone wanted to see what everyone was going to do that week. 805 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,279 {\an8}It was just... And you always made the effort. 806 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,519 {\an8}You didn't ever go, "Oh, I can't be bothered today." 807 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,519 {\an8}You just dressed, 808 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,359 {\an8}and you were excited about showing them what you'd just done 809 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,240 {\an8}and what you were going to wear. 810 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,959 {\an8}And you'd be seeing what other people were wearing. 811 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,999 {\an8}We'd be really bitchy. 812 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,719 There was a lot of, at Warren Street, the motto was 813 00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:41,159 "What's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine also." 814 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,039 {\an8}I mean, when I look back at some of the photographs, 815 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,439 {\an8}I think, "Oh, my god. People really did go to town." 816 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,199 {\an8}And I think it was because you had certain people, 817 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,319 George was one of them, Marilyn will be another, 818 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,159 Kim Bowen would be another. 819 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:54,599 Michele Clapton. 820 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,759 They were stunning. It was a lifestyle. 821 00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,919 They'd been dressing that way for quite a few years. 822 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,399 It wasn't like, "Oh, let's just dress up because, you know, the media's here, 823 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,479 or the paparazzi." 824 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,519 They always dressed exquisitely. 825 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,839 They're a mixture of students, fashion designers, musicians 826 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,999 and those with routine jobs that they escape at night 827 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,480 by dressing up in extravagant costumes. 828 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,439 Nobody should knock fantasy, 829 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:18,639 I mean, a lot of the people 830 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,879 that come to these clubs were working from 9:00 to 5:00. 831 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,559 But they were fed up with doing the 9:00 to 5:00 job, 832 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,559 and it's not a political message. 833 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,079 But what they were doing by coming out at 9:00 or 11:00 at night, 834 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,599 and dressing like a Hollywood film star, 835 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:34,839 which people shouldn't be knocked for, 836 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,439 'cause they're getting away from it and they're having a good time. 837 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:39,879 It's called Blitz 838 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,319 and it's becoming the officer workers' equivalent 839 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,560 of the exclusive Studio 54 club in New York. 840 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,399 You have to remember it's like when something starts 841 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,959 getting publicity and stuff, 842 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,919 you start getting the people from the suburbs that come in, 843 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,679 and they put on their mum's clothing 844 00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,439 or like Grandma's eyeliner and they come out and are like, 845 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,599 "Ooh, aren't I weird? Ooh!" 846 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,279 I thought they were a bunch of posers, do you know what I mean? 847 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:11,039 Some of them, like the people that I knew were like great. 848 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,999 All the people in Warren Street and we lived it. 849 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,799 I mean, like me and a few certain other individuals, 850 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,639 I used to get totally done up 851 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,399 to walk to the end of the street to buy milk, you know what I mean? 852 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:22,839 Authentic. You know what I mean? 853 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,919 Like I didn't put it on, on a Thursday night 854 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,079 to go to Blitz so Steve would let me in, do you know what I mean? 855 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,559 We lived it. It wasn't an assumed... 856 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,039 It wasn't fancy dress. 857 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,480 It felt like people there were in fancy dress. 858 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,679 George was the coat check girl, right? 859 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,679 And I'm not gonna, you know, tell too many tales about George, 860 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,720 but you didn't leave too much in your pockets. 861 00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:58,999 George was funny. 862 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,319 I mean, I think that's why we... 863 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:02,839 I think that's why I liked him so much, 864 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,719 because he had a really wicked sense of humour. 865 00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:07,519 He was bold. 866 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,879 He was unapologetic. He didn't care. 867 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,240 Like I said, George walked around like he owned everything. 868 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:15,999 George was always, he's a really fast talker, 869 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,599 really smart, very funny, very quick-witted. 870 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:20,959 I remember once we did... 871 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,599 He and I were doing, um, 872 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,359 we modelled the St. Martins Fashion Show for Steven Linard. 873 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:27,479 And afterwards, 874 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,359 George and I stole all the dressing up clothes 875 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,879 out of the dressing up box. 876 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,519 We ran back to his squat and we were going through them, 877 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,319 and he'd got a pile and I'd got a pile and I went, 878 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,679 "Oh, that matches the skirt I've got here." 879 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:38,920 He went, "It'll cost you." 880 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,079 He was trying to charge me money for something that we had just stolen. 881 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:43,800 That was quite funny. 882 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,520 George was always getting caught nicking, so I was always bailing her out. 883 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:53,679 She was a kleptomaniac, 884 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:58,079 so I had to keep an eye out for folks that'd come around and kick the door in. 885 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,679 These are people, other people in the squats, like friends. 886 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:01,719 Like they wanted to come... 887 00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:03,919 You know, like villagers with pitchforks. 888 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,319 They would come round like periodically 889 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,520 to come get all their stuff back that George nicked. 890 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,919 Well, there was a lot of stealing. I was a big thief. 891 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,519 So I used to steal money from everyone, 892 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,239 and when I worked in the Blitz, I got fired, 893 00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:20,799 because I went through people's handbags and pockets 894 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,079 and helped myself. 895 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,919 Topped up my wages, 896 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,439 because they weren't very, it wasn't very much. 897 00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:31,119 So yeah, I was, yeah and then finally I got my job back at another club 898 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:32,919 and then I got fired again. 899 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,479 So this particular night, I don't know why they let me back in, 900 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,719 but they did, 'cause I was happening, 901 00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:39,279 I got back in this club 902 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,479 and because someone else had taken my coat room job, 903 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:42,999 I nicked the money. 904 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,799 I got under the counter and I nicked it, and I ran back to my squat. 905 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,359 And I'd folded it up in a bag and I put it into the toilet cistern. 906 00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,519 And then Steve Strange and all these people, Rusty, 907 00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,359 all of them turned up at my squat and they were like, 908 00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:56,599 "We know you stole the money" 909 00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,639 and I was like, "As if I would ever do that." 910 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,239 I totally fronted it. 911 00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:03,239 I was like, "You can't accuse me of doing that." 912 00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:04,999 I totally fronted it. I lied. 913 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,599 And then I kind of, I think I owned up about it eventually. 914 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:09,879 But, yeah, I was terrible. 915 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,319 I was like Oliver Twist. 916 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,280 I was always stealing things. You had to steal. 917 00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:25,559 All these kids who had absolutely nothing. 918 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,479 No money, no jobs. 919 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,319 You know, it was a three-day working week, it was Thatcher's Britain, 920 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,840 it was rough, it was a tough time, 921 00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,159 {\an8}um, were raiding their Granny's wardrobes and going to this little club, 922 00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,120 playing Roxy Music, 923 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,159 and you know, a little bit of Germanic, you know, 924 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,399 electronics that Rusty was slipping in. 925 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,000 Bits of Bowie, bits of Kraftwerk. 926 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:52,000 This mishmash of stuff that they could all get up and dance to. 927 00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:02,359 I bought all the records, and the thing about these records were, 928 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,199 I mean I could literally put one on now and I'd go, 929 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,160 "Well, that's called motoric drumming." 930 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,880 I had this idea to have this... 931 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,639 It's this sort of pulsating 932 00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,599 four-to-the-floor electronica 933 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,639 that I adore and actually, 934 00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:36,000 it's so classic and is translated in so many ways. 935 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,520 It could be a really commercial pop hit. 936 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:48,519 Or it could be something very sort of undergroundy, basic, even. 937 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:54,879 But it still has that ability to create some sort of energy. 938 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,120 Get you dancing. 939 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,959 Oh, the music was so pivotal. 940 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,959 The music was kind of more important than anything, 941 00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,559 as far as I was concerned. 942 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,479 It was the place you went to to hear new things. 943 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,599 So like, you know, if you were in a club and you heard a record 944 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,239 that you'd never heard before, 945 00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:14,879 and you were like, "This is amazing. What's this?" 946 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,519 And you'd have to sidle up to Rusty 947 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,359 and hope that he was in a good enough mood to let you know, 948 00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,479 because everyone was protective of where they got things. 949 00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:24,759 And Rusty played everything 950 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:29,119 from punk stuff to you know, things from Cabaret. 951 00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:30,679 You know, and that influenced what I did. 952 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,839 I became a DJ around the same time, 953 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,879 and I used to play a lot of the things that Rusty played, 954 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,719 and I'd be more bonkers sometimes and play things like 955 00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:40,319 "The Lonely Goatherd" from "The Sound of Music" 956 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:41,599 to try to get rid of people. 957 00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,320 But they'd always stay. 958 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,599 {\an8}I'm not trying to insult anybody, 959 00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,400 {\an8}but the fact is, I hated the music. 960 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,199 Sorry, Rust. I don't want to insult Rusty, and then talk about music. 961 00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:57,279 Oh, my god. I've lost it. 962 00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:58,639 But I don't mean it like that. 963 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,959 Like he loved it and he's passionate about all of that 964 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,279 and it's, you know, it's got its audience. 965 00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:04,999 I'm just not one of that... 966 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,399 It's not my flavour, you know. 967 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,439 I like soul and gospel and the Blitz wasn't that. 968 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,879 It was like all that electronic crap. 969 00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,359 Like German electronic. 970 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,480 ♪ She's a model and she's looking... ♪ 971 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,879 Like, "Go away. I don't know you." 972 00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,319 Really? 973 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,679 Like is it that bad? 974 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,800 You know, it's like I thought they were tragic. 975 00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,119 No one in this club wanted to watch a band, 976 00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:47,960 because they were too interested in watching themselves. 977 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,199 {\an8}And this was more like disco. 978 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,199 {\an8}So this is ordinary kids 979 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,120 wanting to just be the most important people in the room. 980 00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,279 But we knew there was always a band, 981 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:01,759 the most important band 982 00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,879 that represented any given moment in youth culture, 983 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,719 pop culture history. 984 00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:11,959 And we cynically, if you like, said 985 00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,959 "This is our chance to do this." 986 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,599 We just came up with this idea 987 00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,400 of asking people to come and listen to the music, 988 00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,759 um, on a Saturday morning. 989 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,359 And not really in a performance situation, just in a rehearsal room. 990 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,360 So he invites us all to this terrible rehearsal studio, 991 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,319 and we all turn up, amazingly. 992 00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:34,399 Everyone gets out of bed. 993 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,679 Steve is there, Chris Sullivan's there, I'm there, 994 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,480 Graham Smith's there with his camera. 995 00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,479 {\an8}It was high risk, because this was our kind of final throw of the dice. 996 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,119 {\an8}If they didn't accept us, 997 00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:50,120 {\an8}we didn't have any other wave to join or go back onto. 998 00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:57,039 We'd developed this whole new material that was Blitz orientated, if you like. 999 00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,719 They step up on stage and they go "Do-do-do-do-do-do.' 1000 00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:02,919 "Fuck, this sounds rather good." 1001 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,279 ♪ Out is the winter pale ♪ 1002 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,719 ♪ Gold rising June in the blue of my eye ♪ 1003 00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:10,839 And then Tony Hadley, who'd been kind of standing 1004 00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,359 in a black leather coat at the Blitz at the back, 1005 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,959 opens his foghorn mouth and outcomes this stuff, 1006 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,999 and I think, "Blimey, he can sing!" 1007 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,199 ♪ ...soon realise ♪ 1008 00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,040 ♪ I've still sleep in my eyes ♪ 1009 00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,799 ♪ I've still sleep in my eyes ♪ 1010 00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,480 ♪ Glow like a lover ♪ 1011 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,079 We gradually realised, "This was a good show." 1012 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,399 Yeah, you know, we were going to be embraced by these people 1013 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,160 that we were looking up to at that time. 1014 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,759 So you know, we knew that in this crowd of people 1015 00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,119 there was someone who would take our picture, 1016 00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:45,239 there was someone who would film us, 1017 00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,679 there was someone who would create the stage show, 1018 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,679 there was someone who would be our PR. 1019 00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:51,999 And that person was Robert Elms. 1020 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,799 And of course the first thing he said to us was, 1021 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,120 "Your name's terrible. You've gotta get rid of your name." 1022 00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,079 {\an8}We go in the pub afterwards 1023 00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,839 {\an8}and we tell them they gotta change their name. 1024 00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:01,519 {\an8}"The Gentry is an awful name. 1025 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,480 {\an8}You should call yourselves Spandau Ballet." 1026 00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,239 I had no idea what Spandau was. 1027 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:07,640 It sounded Germanic. 1028 00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,439 This had an art feel to it, which I liked. 1029 00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,360 Um, he didn't tell me where he'd found it, of course. 1030 00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:19,680 I later found out he'd seen it scrawled on a wall in a club in Germany. 1031 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,680 So they become Spandau Ballet. 1032 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,279 You had Studio 54 in New York, 1033 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,519 that had happened, you know, before 1034 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,799 and I think that what Rusty and Steve were trying to do 1035 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,599 was create something similar in London 1036 00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,120 for people that they felt were likeminded. 1037 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,880 ♪ Oh we could be heroes ♪ 1038 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,400 ♪ Just for one day ♪ 1039 00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,039 ♪ Ohh... ♪ 1040 00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,399 You know, we were all Bowie kids. 1041 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:03,879 That was the thing we all had in common. 1042 00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,200 We all were Bowie fans. 1043 00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:09,520 ♪ Standing... ♪ 1044 00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,759 The night Bowie came to the Blitz, everybody lost their cool. 1045 00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,279 Like the coolest people were the uncoolest people. 1046 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,239 I was the only one that was able to keep my nerve. 1047 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:23,599 George flew! 1048 00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,399 Literally, I mean, the man had wings 1049 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,279 to get to the front door, right, to see Bowie. 1050 00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,159 Because Bowie was the basis of all of this. 1051 00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,559 We'd seen Bowie, age 13, on Top of the Pops. 1052 00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,399 We'd been there when Bowie had played live. 1053 00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,239 The original Billy's night was a Bowie night, and now Bowie arrives. 1054 00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,400 And that was like being anointed. 1055 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,999 So did Steve Strange let Bowie in? 1056 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,199 Not half. 1057 00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:48,959 They walked arm in arm 1058 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,439 through the middle of The Blitz, up to the bar. 1059 00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,159 Everyone went bananas, basically. 1060 00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,519 Everyone, all of a sudden, all the cool people were like, 1061 00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:56,599 "Oh, my god." 1062 00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,759 And they were kind of trying to, trying to rush up the stairs 1063 00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,160 where he was being ushered very quickly. 1064 01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,359 Steve Strange bought the only drink he ever bought 1065 01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,679 in his entire life for David Bowie, as far as I could remember. 1066 01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,200 Because Bowie wasn't just royalty, he was deity. 1067 01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:13,479 Yeah. 1068 01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,999 I had made an outfit which I particularly wanted to show off, 1069 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,799 {\an8}and I managed to get a friend of mine to come to The Blitz, 1070 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,399 {\an8}who also had her outfit on that she'd made. 1071 01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:24,880 And while we were there... 1072 01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,399 there was a kind of great furore at the door, 1073 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,879 because The Blitz was quite a small club. 1074 01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,719 And when I looked over, I could see David Bowie, 1075 01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,519 who was you know, our icon. 1076 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,519 And then I could see that David Bowie was looking at me, 1077 01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,319 and I was thinking, "Why is David Bowie looking at me?" 1078 01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,399 Then Bowie says that he's going to do this video for this song, 1079 01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,119 and he wants people from the club to be in it. 1080 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:50,959 My god. 1081 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,159 And then I could see him coming towards me, 1082 01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:54,919 which made me even more nervous. 1083 01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,079 And he was with Steve Strange. 1084 01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:01,239 And he said, "I'd really like you to be in my next video." 1085 01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,120 I just thought, "This can't be real." 1086 01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,559 I was so pissed off I wasn't there the night that David Bowie came, 1087 01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,359 {\an8}because I mean, they chose people, 1088 01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,359 {\an8}"God, if I'd been there, they'd have chosen me." 1089 01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,439 {\an8}And I've actually got the painting, 1090 01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:22,439 {\an8}a friend of mine did a painting of that video on my kitchen wall. 1091 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,759 It's like, "I should have been there that night." 1092 01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,439 I was so cross. 1093 01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,680 I think that so many of us were really put out. 1094 01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,559 The most annoyed person was Boy George, 1095 01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,519 who came out from behind the little desk 1096 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,279 where he was collecting all of the tips for the coats, 1097 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,119 and gave everybody you know, 1098 01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:45,079 an extreme dressing down and saying, "I can't believe it's you, not me." 1099 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,999 A lot of people now say they were there when they weren't. 1100 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,599 Just letting you know that. 1101 01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,880 ♪ They got a message from the Action Man ♪ 1102 01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:57,679 ♪ I'm happy hope you're happy too... ♪ 1103 01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,999 Apparently what David Bowie said 1104 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,720 was that he wanted a clown on a beach with a bonfire. 1105 01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,479 He said, "I want you to pat the ground," 1106 01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,079 and I sort of said, "Ooh, like this?" 1107 01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,000 And he said, "Perfect, like that." 1108 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,679 So I think Steve had a lot more trouble. 1109 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,160 I mean, bear in mind we were on a beach... 1110 01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:21,560 probably ankle-deep in something quite wet and soft. 1111 01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,239 So trying to walk elegantly and pat the ground 1112 01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,079 was quite a difficult thing. 1113 01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,039 So I think Steve had more trouble with it than I did. 1114 01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,439 But we had to do a lot of takes, 1115 01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,639 and the worst bit was the bit with the bulldozer behind us. 1116 01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,839 We did that a lot of times to get that right. 1117 01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:42,159 ♪ We know Major Tom's a junkie ♪ 1118 01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,359 ♪ Strung out in heaven's high ♪ 1119 01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:49,279 ♪ Hitting an all-time low... ♪ 1120 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:50,919 The following week at The Blitz, 1121 01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,359 everyone was trying to find out what had happened, 1122 01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:54,999 where we'd been, what we'd been doing, 1123 01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,960 what we were wearing, what David Bowie was wearing. 1124 01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,759 {\an8}And we'd been asked to be quite tight-lipped. 1125 01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,080 {\an8}And of course, we were giving nothing away. 1126 01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:09,159 {\an8}I think the reaction to us was a mixture of people being really glad 1127 01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:15,359 that someone from our community had been chosen, and some envy. 1128 01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:19,519 ♪ My mother said to get things done ♪ 1129 01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,960 ♪ You'd better not mess with Major Tom ♪ 1130 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,439 ♪ My mother said to get things done ♪ 1131 01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,800 ♪ You'd better not mess with Major Tom ♪ 1132 01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,999 The pop music scene and the fashion scene have been influenced by a new youth cult, 1133 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,000 the New Romantics or The Blitz kids. 1134 01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:43,719 I think one of the important things 1135 01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,879 to understand about the whole Billy's Blitz scene, 1136 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,639 because this was not driven by older moneyed people. 1137 01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:54,559 It was young, skint students. 1138 01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:56,839 People who worked in clothes shops. 1139 01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:01,199 {\an8}I don't think there was anybody over the age of 22, 23. 1140 01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,200 {\an8}Most of us teenagers. 1141 01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,839 {\an8}I've probably travelled out with my mate Chris Sullivan, 1142 01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,679 who's living at my mum's council house with me. 1143 01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,919 He's a student at St Martins, studying art. 1144 01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,159 And one week, Chris might be dressed as Frank Sinatra. 1145 01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,999 The next week he might be dressed as a Gaucho. 1146 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,999 The week after, one week, he dressed as Mahatma Gandhi. 1147 01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,279 And I remember Chris saying to me, 1148 01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,399 "You must never, ever wear the same outfit twice." 1149 01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,919 That was really important to Chris, that each week you dressed differently, 1150 01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:30,200 and you dressed special. 1151 01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,639 I used to dress as a Gaucho, you know, because I loved the film 1152 01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,279 The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. 1153 01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,079 {\an8}That was the other thing, We were all very influence by movies, 1154 01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,039 because you used to go to the Academy Cinema on Oxford Street, 1155 01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,040 which was free to get in if you were a student. 1156 01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:48,599 So we'd go and see films like Alfie, 1157 01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,479 Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, and it was funny, 1158 01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,759 we'd all go see it and next week you'd see everybody 1159 01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:54,760 dressed like the film we'd just been to see. 1160 01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,520 We wore our influences on our sleeve. 1161 01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:07,719 There was always like competition for the way you looked. 1162 01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,759 You know, sometimes Steve would turn up at my squat, 1163 01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,679 {\an8}you know, uninvited, literally just to show me 1164 01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:14,999 {\an8}what he was wearing. 1165 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,719 {\an8}I remember this one time, I hadn't spoken to him for months, 1166 01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,239 {\an8}and then he turns up at my squat. 1167 01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:20,959 And he had these black contact lenses in. 1168 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,799 They were the whole of his eyes, it was just amazing. 1169 01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,199 I was so jealous, I was so jealous. 1170 01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,319 And he only came to piss me off. 1171 01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,039 He came in a cab, got out of the cab and was like, 1172 01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:31,079 "Do you want to go for a drink?" 1173 01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:32,959 And I was like, "You son-of-a-bitch, look at you." 1174 01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,679 He was done, like amazing, with a cane and these black eyes. 1175 01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,559 You know, and then you know, you'd have to kind of plan 1176 01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,159 the next thing you were going to do to piss him off. 1177 01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,320 You know, it was absolute constant competition. 1178 01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,439 When you class something as a movement, it becomes a fashion. 1179 01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,519 And although people are into fashion, 1180 01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:52,879 with clothes and music, 1181 01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:57,279 people can't term it as a fashion because people are always moving on. 1182 01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:02,559 It never becomes stale, as when I was involved say in Punk, 1183 01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,199 Punk become like a uniform, 1184 01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,439 and it become very stale and very boring. 1185 01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:13,119 Whereas where we are, the whole idea is complete change, 1186 01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:18,400 all the time, moving on with the music, with the clothes, with the styles. 1187 01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,559 It was like walking on the gangplank. 1188 01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,160 And you were judged. 1189 01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:27,799 And this was by your friends. 1190 01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,599 And you know, if you weren't looking up to the mark, 1191 01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,719 you could tell it through their faces. 1192 01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,960 So, my god, it kept you on your toes. 1193 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,120 No one was competition for me, darling. 1194 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,079 Like let's have it, you know, let's have it straight. 1195 01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,560 Who the fuck's going to compete with me? They're all ugly. 1196 01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:08,159 And then one week, Mick Jagger arrives, 1197 01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,359 and of course, Mick Jagger's Mick Jagger. 1198 01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,159 This is probably the most famous rock star in the world. 1199 01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:17,679 And he arrives, and word went out, "Jagger's outside, Mick Jagger's outside." 1200 01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,679 And Steve was magnificent. 1201 01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,639 Mick Jagger, you know, obviously walks to the head of the queue 1202 01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,999 and there's a queue of people drooling, both because Mick Jagger's there 1203 01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:28,919 and 'cause they think they might get in, and they didn't. 1204 01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:30,439 And nor did he. 1205 01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,599 It was the greatest move Steve ever made. 1206 01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:33,919 Mick Jagger walks up. 1207 01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,839 Steve Strange who's what, 20, 21, 1208 01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:41,799 kind of boy from Wales, dressed in a dress. 1209 01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,999 Looks at Mick Jagger and goes, "Nah, you're not well-dressed enough." 1210 01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:47,039 Literally. 1211 01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,719 Mick Jagger, you don't turn away Mick Jagger. 1212 01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:52,519 I remember thinking, "Like, Steve, like, really? 1213 01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,399 "You can't turn away Mick Jagger from The Blitz." 1214 01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,079 But it was so great publicity. 1215 01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:58,119 He was great at that. 1216 01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:01,639 He was really good at sort of just, like, doing stuff that was, 1217 01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:03,799 it was quite punk rock doing that. 1218 01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,159 Somebody said to me, "Oh, Mick Jagger's just got turned away," 1219 01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:07,880 and I just said, "Yeah, quite right and all." 1220 01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:11,239 As I said to somebody afterwards, 1221 01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,680 when Mick Jagger's standing in your club, you know you're on the way out. 1222 01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:23,799 Spandau Ballet then do their first gig at the Blitz 1223 01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,240 and I introduced them on stage, reciting ridiculous poetry. 1224 01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:33,040 Listen to the portrait Of the dance of perfection, 1225 01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:35,640 The Spandau Ballet. 1226 01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,519 And I was standing watching at the mixing desk, 1227 01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,438 and a guy came up to me. 1228 01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:45,520 And he said... 1229 01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:47,919 "Who is this band?" 1230 01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,520 And I said, "It's Spandau Ballet." 1231 01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,199 And he said that... 1232 01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:55,879 he said, "Great, so what record label do they record for?" 1233 01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,278 And I said, "They don't have a record label." 1234 01:08:58,279 --> 01:09:02,080 And he said, 'Who is their manager?" And I said, "I am." 1235 01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,759 And he said, "Well, I'm Chris Blackwell. 1236 01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,399 "I own Island Records, and I'd like to sign them." 1237 01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:10,719 So it was, it was immediate. 1238 01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:14,438 We had immediately had a record deal on the table, 1239 01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:16,919 because we were playing at an event. 1240 01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:18,879 We weren't standing in line, begging. 1241 01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:24,600 And we were behaving like stars, because nobody else had played The Blitz. 1242 01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:28,679 And then Steve says to me, "Right, you've got to review us now." 1243 01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:30,239 They've only played one gig. 1244 01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:31,679 He says, he says, "You've got to review us now. 1245 01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:32,879 "Take it to the NME." 1246 01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,599 Which was the most important music journal at the time. 1247 01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,199 "And they'll print it, and as I said, 1248 01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:39,318 we'll become famous and you'll become a writer." 1249 01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:43,559 So he walks me around to his mum's council flat in Holborn. 1250 01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:47,478 We go around there and handwritten, on school lined note paper, 1251 01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:49,479 I write a Spandau Ballet review. 1252 01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:52,839 And we then walk, 'cause we haven't got the money to get the bus, 1253 01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:54,679 we walk from there to Carnaby Street, 1254 01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,359 which is where the offices of the NME were, 1255 01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,319 and I walk in and I say, "Who's the live editor, please?" 1256 01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:01,359 And he said, "Oh, he's over there." 1257 01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,439 And I'm still thinking, "They're going to throw me out any minute here 1258 01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:05,079 'cause I'm clearly a fraud." 1259 01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,679 So I say to him, I do this whole spiel. I say, "Your paper is rubbish. 1260 01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:10,079 You don't know what's going on, 1261 01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:11,839 there's this whole scene happening at the Blitz 1262 01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:13,119 that you don't know anything about 1263 01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:14,639 and there's this band called Spandau Ballet 1264 01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,959 and they're going to be the next big thing, and here's a review." 1265 01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,240 And I slam this bit of paper down on his desk. 1266 01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:21,359 And he reads it, and he says, 1267 01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,439 "If you can get the pictures, we'll run it next week." 1268 01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:24,679 And they did. 1269 01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:28,519 And within what, six months, Spandau are on Top of the Pops 1270 01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,080 and I'm working for The Face. 1271 01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:32,719 There are five young guys from Islington 1272 01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:34,719 who are causing a real buzz in the music industry. 1273 01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:36,079 And we've got them on Top of the Pops tonight. 1274 01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:39,360 Their names collectively are Spandau Ballet. 1275 01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,839 ♪ The soldier is turning ♪ 1276 01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:52,159 ♪ See him through white night ♪ 1277 01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:55,599 ♪ Running from strangers ♪ 1278 01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:59,159 ♪ See you in the valley ♪ 1279 01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:02,359 ♪ War upon war ♪ 1280 01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,559 ♪ Heat upon heat ♪ 1281 01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:11,119 ♪ To cut a long story short I lost my mind... ♪ 1282 01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:14,160 And suddenly, we're representing the Blitz club on Top of the Pops. 1283 01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,439 We wanted to be credible and artistic, 1284 01:11:18,440 --> 01:11:20,359 but at the same time, commercial. 1285 01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,559 It's a very difficult balance to make. 1286 01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:27,999 ♪ To cut a long story short I lost my mind ♪ 1287 01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,240 But we had the support of a lot of those kids at the Blitz 1288 01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:34,559 that were working for us at this point, now, 1289 01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,719 designing our record sleeves, taking our photographs, 1290 01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,760 um, helping with the clothes we were wearing. 1291 01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:46,399 Everything that you needed was there in the club. 1292 01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:49,679 You know, Graham was a great graphic designer, so he could... 1293 01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:53,439 If they needed a poster could just walk along the bar and talk to him. 1294 01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:55,599 If they needed, you know, everything. 1295 01:11:55,600 --> 01:12:02,079 You could do all of your kind of creative business in the Blitz 1296 01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:03,440 on a Tuesday night. 1297 01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,759 Someone would say, "I'm going to start a band." 1298 01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:08,200 That might be Gary Kemp. 1299 01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,720 And then Graham Smith would say, "I'll take the photos." 1300 01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,119 And someone else would say, "I'll make you a shirt." 1301 01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:16,999 And that might be John Galliano. 1302 01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:18,999 And I'd say, "Well, I'll write the sleeve notes 1303 01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,000 and introduce you on stage," and I become me. 1304 01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,359 And that's how it happened. 1305 01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,800 We were kind of climbing on each other's padded shoulders. 1306 01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,719 So you never went up to somebody and said, "Hi, what do you do?" 1307 01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,039 "I work at Tesco." Nobody said that. 1308 01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,399 "I'm at St Martins Art College, I'm doing a degree. 1309 01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:40,559 I'm working on a fashion show, I'm working in a magazine. 1310 01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:45,359 We're working on starting a magazine. We're starting something." 1311 01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:47,479 Everyone was like... 1312 01:12:47,480 --> 01:12:50,399 Every time you want to talk to somebody about something, 1313 01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,319 you were there for half an hour. 1314 01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:55,199 That was my night out a week, you know, going there, 1315 01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:58,119 'cause mostly 99 percent of the rest of my time, 1316 01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:00,639 we'd have been in the studio, 1317 01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,479 recording the music that was going to get played in the Blitz 1318 01:13:03,480 --> 01:13:05,239 and Blitz-type clubs. 1319 01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:08,239 The sound would have been the sonic element 1320 01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:12,200 of those electronics battering through big disco speakers. 1321 01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,919 And of course, merge that with the imagery that was starting to happen at the time. 1322 01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,679 You know, it was the birth of the pop video. 1323 01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:25,160 It was the birth of, you know, the three-minute music clip. 1324 01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,719 ♪ The feeling is gone only you and I ♪ 1325 01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:32,480 ♪ It means nothing to me ♪ 1326 01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:39,399 ♪ This means nothing to me ♪ 1327 01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:40,839 ♪ Oh... ♪ 1328 01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,759 This austere sound, these austere images, 1329 01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:45,600 this film noir-esque stuff. 1330 01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,559 Not being able to place what time this was set in. 1331 01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:51,439 You know, was it the future, was it the past? 1332 01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:53,120 Was it Vienna? 1333 01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,520 You know, it was just this mishmash of stuff that came out. 1334 01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,599 But The Blitz was a great vehicle to latch onto, 1335 01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,200 because there was something new and fresh and vibrant about it. 1336 01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:16,199 I don't know if there was any deep political kind of undercurrent, 1337 01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,760 except the sort of resistance of the norm... 1338 01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,479 which I think in a way is political. 1339 01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:23,799 You know, sometimes being yourself 1340 01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,639 is the most political act you can ever commit. 1341 01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,119 It's like saying, "No, this is what I am. 1342 01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:34,399 Unapologetically, I'm queer and I'm not depressed about it." 1343 01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:38,359 You know, I think we were the first people of our generation 1344 01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,119 to actually not wish we were straight. 1345 01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:44,359 It didn't matter what sexuality somebody had, 1346 01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:47,639 it didn't matter what colour they were, it didn't matter where they came from. 1347 01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,879 In there, we were all dressed up, we were all equal, 1348 01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:54,319 and I really believed we were all equal. 1349 01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:55,799 It wasn't a gay club, it wasn't a straight club, 1350 01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,879 whereas your sexuality didn't matter. 1351 01:14:58,880 --> 01:14:59,919 That's what it was. 1352 01:14:59,920 --> 01:15:02,039 Your race, colour, creed, sexuality didn't matter. 1353 01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:06,039 We were all drawn together by one thing, which was music, 1354 01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:08,919 and we wanted to dress up and enjoy ourselves and that's... 1355 01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,679 and we were all outcasts, and that was it. 1356 01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,559 I mean, I felt equally as outcast being a straight bloke from Wales 1357 01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,319 dressed like Bertie Wooster 1358 01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:19,359 as did Steve Strange being a gay bloke from Wales 1359 01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:20,799 dressed like Robin Hood. 1360 01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:22,480 We just wanted to be ourselves. 1361 01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,399 You know, you gotta remember where we came from. 1362 01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,839 It was, everything you do is a reaction 1363 01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,999 to the sort of cultural experience that you grow up with, you know, 1364 01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:32,999 to the masks that you're forced to wear. 1365 01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:34,759 You know, when you're a kid, 1366 01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:38,199 you know, especially if you're a kid like me or Steve or anyone, 1367 01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,439 where you know from very early on that you're different, right? 1368 01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:43,799 You know everyone else knows it before you do. 1369 01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,439 They're like, "You're not like us, you're weird. 1370 01:15:46,440 --> 01:15:48,199 You don't like football, what's wrong with ya?" 1371 01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:52,759 And you know, you're developing in this weird vacuum, you know. 1372 01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,680 And nobody wants to talk about what it is you are. 1373 01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,639 And then suddenly, you know, you walk into the Blitz 1374 01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:05,199 and you go, "Oh, my god, you know, who knew there were so many others." 1375 01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:07,039 In just a tick or two it's the news 1376 01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:08,999 and then right after that, live in the studio, 1377 01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:10,560 it's Spandau Ballet. 1378 01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:18,399 ♪ Standing in the dark ♪ 1379 01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:22,119 ♪ Oh I was waiting for man to come... ♪ 1380 01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,839 When we did our first video, we were keen to really get across 1381 01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,359 a lot of what the Blitz looked like. 1382 01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:30,679 And so you know, Chris Sullivan and Christos are in there, you know. 1383 01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:33,120 We had these two girls doing that slow jive. 1384 01:16:35,480 --> 01:16:36,919 And obviously the way we looked, 1385 01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,759 and there was a slight sense of the Gothic 1386 01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:43,159 about that setting in the London dungeons. 1387 01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:45,359 So I think we, you know, we spent a lot of time 1388 01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:49,360 trying to get that image across and selling it to the wider public. 1389 01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:55,039 What happens is The Blitz ends up invading Smash Hits. 1390 01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:59,480 That was then The Blitz became utterly commercial. 1391 01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:05,799 During the course of 1980, 1392 01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:10,599 the band momentum grew and clothes that they were wearing 1393 01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:15,160 were very rapidly copied by Top Shop. 1394 01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:18,559 It, you know, never mind anything else, 1395 01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:22,640 it was the fashion industry locked into it, big time. 1396 01:17:23,480 --> 01:17:25,719 And so what been an underground scene, 1397 01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:28,920 it was becoming increasingly less underground. 1398 01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:31,919 Had the band not existed it still would have happened. 1399 01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,279 But I think the fact that there was a pop group 1400 01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:39,280 that was moving very quickly made it happen quicker. 1401 01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:42,279 The clothes were everywhere at that point. 1402 01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:48,080 You know, Lady Diana is now wearing a pie crust flouncy blouse... 1403 01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:50,919 and knickerbockers. 1404 01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:55,599 You know, I mean, what I saw being worn in Billy's in 1978 1405 01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,719 by weird, outrageous kids 1406 01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:00,519 who were just pulling stuff out of dressing up boxes, 1407 01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:02,360 was now being worn by the Royal Family. 1408 01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,799 But I think, you know, there's a sense of success in that. 1409 01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,279 There's a sense of disappointment and failure at the same time, 1410 01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,239 because it's no longer special. 1411 01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:14,679 There's no longer a mystique. 1412 01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:17,760 But that was part of what we were trying to achieve. 1413 01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,319 It felt like as The Blitz went on 1414 01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:29,079 and more people started coming it diluted the whole essence of it. 1415 01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:31,519 You know, people coming along and looking the same. 1416 01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,279 You felt like people were copying you. 1417 01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:36,759 You felt like you were in any other club, frankly. 1418 01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:40,799 The whole intimacy and that lovely period, 1419 01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:42,439 where you were just with your friends 1420 01:18:42,440 --> 01:18:45,120 and there was just this huge creativity in the room... 1421 01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:47,320 it had dissipated. 1422 01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:03,760 Well, The Blitz club came to an end... 1423 01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,400 but Visage had taken off. 1424 01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:09,720 Steve was a star. 1425 01:19:10,440 --> 01:19:14,599 ♪ One man on a lonely platform ♪ 1426 01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:18,559 ♪ One case sitting by his side... ♪ 1427 01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,599 So I've got a number one record all over Europe now, 1428 01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:22,880 called "Fade To Grey"... 1429 01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:26,719 ♪ We fade to grey... ♪ 1430 01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:28,479 ...which is 112 bpm, 1431 01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:30,399 extended 12 inch mix, 1432 01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,679 with my beautiful Luxembourgish girlfriend talking in French, 1433 01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:35,480 and it's number one in France. 1434 01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:45,279 And Steve and I found a club on Baker Street, 1435 01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,160 and we called it "Club For Heroes". 1436 01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:51,999 Steve and Rusty moved on to Club For Heroes, 1437 01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:55,199 which was a bigger club, so they had more people in it. 1438 01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,160 And then they went to the Camden Palace. 1439 01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:00,639 And now he's standing with this huge sound system 1440 01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:02,800 and there's thousands of people here. 1441 01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:04,960 I thought, "This is incredible." 1442 01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:14,079 The musical ideas and the stylistic ideas and the ethos 1443 01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,560 has kind of become part of the mainstream. 1444 01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:19,559 How would you design the secret then 1445 01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:21,319 of a successful nightclub host? 1446 01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:22,480 You're looking at me. 1447 01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:31,319 Don't forget, people remember the ones who went on to fame. 1448 01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,439 For every one that you see become a household name, 1449 01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:37,159 there's one, a lot of people went out on a lot of limbs, you know... 1450 01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:39,240 and a lot of people didn't come back. 1451 01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:44,639 The key drug at the Blitz was sulphate, blues, amphetamines. 1452 01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,599 I mean, that's, that was really the fuel 1453 01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:52,000 that kept people completely talking all night about themselves. 1454 01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:56,040 I think the smack certainly came in a bit later. 1455 01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:59,759 Unfortunately, there was a lot of heroin addiction 1456 01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:01,480 later on in the 80s. 1457 01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:04,679 Sometimes you get a bunch of people 1458 01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:07,359 who push themselves to the limits creatively and otherwise, 1459 01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,959 I mean, sometimes they snap, or they fall prey 1460 01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:13,359 to whatever this substance or that substance. 1461 01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:17,039 It's all part of, you know, experimentation, is it not? 1462 01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:18,879 You can't just draw a line and go, 1463 01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:20,999 "Oh, I don't do that 'cause that might be dangerous," 1464 01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,040 you just go for everything or nothing. 1465 01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:25,679 Drugs did come into it in quite a big way, 1466 01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,359 and something that I obviously didn't get involved in. 1467 01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:31,679 But I remember going to a party with Graham Smith, 1468 01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:33,039 and we only later found out 1469 01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:35,039 everyone else was taking heroin and we weren't. 1470 01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,879 But we still have no idea why they didn't offer it, 1471 01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:38,879 and we're very grateful they didn't. 1472 01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:40,839 But his friends and my friends were taking it, 1473 01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:42,319 but we didn't take it. 1474 01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:46,239 And there's some people that I think could have gone so far and didn't. 1475 01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:48,519 You know, they just missed their way at some stage. 1476 01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:51,360 But actually were probably more talented than all of us put together. 1477 01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:07,439 I think you can squint and look at that period and think, 1478 01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:12,199 "Oh, it's frilly shirts, it's tinny electro music, 1479 01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:16,599 it's shrill, it's shallow, it's designer. 1480 01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:18,359 {\an8}It doesn't last, it doesn't have bottom, 1481 01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,959 {\an8}it doesn't have empathy, it doesn't have emotion," 1482 01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:22,240 {\an8}none of which is true. 1483 01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:28,399 It resulted in so many different tentacles in culture. 1484 01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,919 Peter Doig, for instance, Gareth Gwynn Evans, 1485 01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:34,639 two of our most important contemporary artists. 1486 01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:38,240 Michele Clapton, a great costume designer. 1487 01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:45,519 And it was a fantastically vibrant period for pop music. 1488 01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,199 Many of them came from The Blitz. 1489 01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:48,879 ♪ Relax ♪ 1490 01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,879 ♪ When he reads the note he finds... ♪ 1491 01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:53,319 ♪ I'm calling Donnie ♪ 1492 01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:56,199 - ♪ When I'm calling Donnie ♪ - ♪ I'm calling Donnie ♪ 1493 01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,039 ♪ When I'm calling Donnie ♪ 1494 01:22:58,040 --> 01:22:59,359 ♪ I'm calling Donnie... ♪ 1495 01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:04,039 I can't think of any other club where so many artists, 1496 01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,279 and people who went onto mega, mega-stardom. 1497 01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:08,639 I mean, Sade was going to the Blitz 1498 01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:10,599 and you know, she went on to mega stardom. 1499 01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,879 ♪ Your love is king ♪ 1500 01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:15,959 ♪ Crown you in my heart ♪ 1501 01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:17,799 ♪ Your love is king... ♪ 1502 01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:21,279 That cross-pollination of you know, straight and gay... 1503 01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:24,359 ♪ I don't need your love Don't want your love... ♪ 1504 01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:26,199 ...because I think the gay thing is really important 1505 01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:28,119 as far as creativity is concerned, 1506 01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:30,999 because it was that cross-pollination of both things. 1507 01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,359 We were influencing each other. 1508 01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:38,519 ♪ Do you really want to hurt me? ♪ 1509 01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:41,839 ♪ Do you really want to make me cry? ♪ 1510 01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:43,439 We knew that we didn't fit in. 1511 01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:45,279 We knew that we were different. 1512 01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,000 We knew that we wanted different things. We didn't want nine to five jobs. 1513 01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:53,040 Stephen Jones, you know, making hats for the Queen. 1514 01:23:57,160 --> 01:24:00,279 We knew that nobody was going to do anything for us, 1515 01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:03,280 that anything that we had would be something that we created. 1516 01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:13,719 Literally that group of people, on a Tuesday night, 1517 01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:16,799 no one over the age of 21 at that point, 1518 01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,440 go on to shape the next decade. 1519 01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:28,079 I feel so much gratitude to Steve Strange and Rusty Egan 1520 01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:34,679 for creating that night at Billy's, doing that Bowie night 1521 01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:40,119 and allowing the space for very disparate, exotic people 1522 01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:44,600 to become themselves and to feel empowered by that. 1523 01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,319 You know, Rusty is the straightest guy you'll ever meet 1524 01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:50,999 and Steve Strange was the gayest man I ever met, 1525 01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:56,479 and they allowed these ordinary kids to be themselves in that space 1526 01:24:56,480 --> 01:25:00,920 and to feel important and powerful and brave. 1527 01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:05,079 I think that the way the '80s gets looked back on 1528 01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:06,839 is completely inaccurate. 1529 01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:09,079 It does get looked back on as this period of like, 1530 01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:12,519 {\an8}my mum spoke about it like, "Oh, it's just basically a forgotten era. 1531 01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:16,319 {\an8}Just forget it, it was just disgusting. Oh, horrible hair, horrible clothes, 1532 01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,559 yuppies, Thatcher, ugh, blegh.' 1533 01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:21,559 You know, but actually, incredible. 1534 01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:23,000 It was incredible. 1535 01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:29,239 When you look at what happened culturally in that ten years, 1536 01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:30,840 it's undeniable. 1537 01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:33,839 Stuff that happened for gay people 1538 01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,119 was the stuff that happened culturally 1539 01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:39,519 that fed into the AIDS movement, all sorts of things. 1540 01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,799 Yeah, it wasn't just people going out and partying 1541 01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,879 and taking drugs and having sex with each other. 1542 01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:46,479 It was a lot more than that. 1543 01:25:46,480 --> 01:25:48,799 It was a much more emotional scene than that, 1544 01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:50,840 and I connected to that very quickly. 1545 01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:56,799 We changed many things. 1546 01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:00,520 We changed attitudes towards sexuality enormously. 1547 01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:03,359 You know, we were working class kids 1548 01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,399 who now thought it was absolutely normal 1549 01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:09,440 to have a kind of a transgender person on your arm. 1550 01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:11,800 That hadn't happened before that. 1551 01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:15,999 That whole thing about kind of gender fluidity, 1552 01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:20,479 being able to be who you want to be, we did that. 1553 01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:23,160 We made sure that, that became fashionable. 1554 01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:30,119 We were the forerunners of a man's right to be pretty. 1555 01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:31,839 You know, look at guys now. 1556 01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:34,439 Go on Instagram. Everyone's in their underpants. 1557 01:26:34,440 --> 01:26:36,999 Like just basically like loving themselves 1558 01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:39,880 in a way that was not permittable when I was a teenager. 1559 01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:45,839 Youth movements, fashion, music, appearance 1560 01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:47,480 have always gone together. 1561 01:26:48,440 --> 01:26:49,839 But this is the weird thing. 1562 01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:51,799 In Britain they go together. 1563 01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:54,320 They don't necessarily anywhere else in the world. 1564 01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:56,360 Have you seen French Punks? 1565 01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:02,520 How Italians dance? 1566 01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:09,519 I think in the '80s, there was a point where the stars aligned. 1567 01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:12,519 And of course that can always happen again. 1568 01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:14,199 I think for very different reasons, 1569 01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:18,359 we are now also at a moment of change, 1570 01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:21,519 where we have the opportunity to completely reshape 1571 01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:23,359 and change the future. 1572 01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,719 So those moments will always happen, 1573 01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:29,679 and it's about understanding that and almost preparing for them, 1574 01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,080 always being vigilant for those moments. 1575 01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:44,519 I can hear a lot of music where I can see the direct connection. 1576 01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:49,359 So whether young people today sitting with synthesisers are saying, 1577 01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:52,679 "That's directly because I heard 'Fade To Grey' on the radio," 1578 01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:55,399 or "I heard 'Cut A Long Story Short'," 1579 01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:57,999 or whatever is irrelevant. 1580 01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:01,200 It's the fact that it's inspiring them to do something else. 1581 01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:11,120 We're all a product of our heroes. 1582 01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:08,680 ♪ Tuesday night ♪ 1583 01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:14,120 ♪ And I'm ready for some fun ♪ 1584 01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:16,480 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 1585 01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:18,200 ♪ Uh-huh ♪ 1586 01:29:19,480 --> 01:29:20,560 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 1587 01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:22,600 ♪ Uh-huh ♪ 128256

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