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Oh, come in.
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Hi, it's lovely to meet you. Come on in.
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Lily? Yes.
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And Franco.
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Yes, correct. Nice to meet you.
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Okay, wonderful. Please have a seat.
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Thank you so much for being here. My
name is Dr.
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Penny Barber.
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I've been working in therapy for quite a
while since I graduated.
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I started off in family therapy, and
then maybe like six months ago,
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I switched to human sexuality.
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I feel like it's a much better fit for
me personally. I just love helping
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in that way.
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What? Are you okay? I thought we were
here because...
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of grief therapy and because of you
mourning your father.
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Yes, that is what I had to tell her in
order to drag her here today with me. I
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had to tell the white lie, you know.
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Oh.
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Cat's out of the bag now.
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Okay. Yeah. I'm just not sure how you
can help.
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Okay. Well, that is a first for me.
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You know what? Since we have the session
book.
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I did have a background in family
therapy before I started this.
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Would you care to stay? Maybe we could
talk about that and the disparity and
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you both think you're here.
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Yes, that's fine.
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Yes, I'm willing to stay and talk. All
right.
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In that case, well, Lily, let's start
with you. Could you tell me a little bit
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about yourself?
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Well, I'm just a stay -at -home mom.
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Father did die about 18 months ago.
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Okay. I'm sorry to hear that. And so
I've just been
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taking care of him and everything.
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I go to church every weekend.
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But there's not much to say.
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How do you use anything?
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Gardening? Yeah.
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I like to go hiking and stuff like that,
and I do, like, a little gardening and
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stuff like that, but, you know.
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But that's your focus on the home right
now? Yes, yes.
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Okay, I see that.
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That sounds lovely. And, Franco, could
you tell me a little bit about yourself?
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Well, like she said, she's my stepmom,
wife of my father who had just passed,
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and, yeah, it's just us two now.
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I don't do much, really. I just go to
school, hang out with my friends, you
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know, that normal type stuff, I guess.
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All right. All right.
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Well,
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Lily, why were you told that you were
here today? Well, because I
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know he's still having trouble getting
over his father dying and everything.
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So I thought he wanted to come and, you
know.
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big thing going on about that, and I
thought that would be very helpful, you
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know, for a call to talk about that.
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Were there any specific things that you
thought that, of course, you wanted to
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mourn your father.
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Were there any particular behaviors that
you were concerned about, or does he
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seem like a red flag to you?
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No, I mean, he just seems, you know,
sad.
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Yeah. Okay.
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All right.
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And Franco, why don't you tell me...
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Why you asked your mom to come here
today?
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Well, ever since my father passed, I've
noticed more than once, a
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few times at this point, that usually
not in character for her to do, I've
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caught her staring at me in the shower a
few times.
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Oh.
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And I've been a weird one to confront
her about it, and I thought bringing her
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here will probably be a good way of
addressing that.
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Okay.
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So maybe there was an incident earlier
where you were having a look at Franco's
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shower. Is that true?
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Well, you know, it happened one time.
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I, you know, was walking by and I
noticed the bathroom door
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was open. He was in the shower.
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I kind of happened to look.
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But, you know, nothing happened. It was
just, it just
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happened. And I confessed and asked the
Lord for forgiveness when I was in
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church. And so, I mean, I'm totally
fine.
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I didn't see the harm in it.
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I confessed.
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She may have asked the Lord for
forgiveness, but she never once spoke to
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about it. You know, she knew I had
caught her doing it.
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Alright, what was that like? Like, what
happened when you got
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caught, Lily?
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What would you say, what was that
experience like? Yeah, I felt really bad
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it, you know. I knew I should not have
been doing that.
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Okay. So, I just, I felt really bad
about it, so.
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And Franka says you didn't talk to him
about that. Yeah, I'm embarrassed.
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Really? About even bringing it up?
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Okay, but Franco, you would have liked
to address it? Yes, absolutely.
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And I was embarrassed myself. That's why
I couldn't do it myself and why I
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decided to bring her here and trick her
because I didn't want to openly admit as
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to why.
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Is there anything?
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It seems like we had a little bit of a
disparity in that Lily says this
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once and Franco, you said this happened.
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Yeah. A few times.
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Maybe one time I let the door crack.
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Definitely a couple other times, like,
she had to open the door. I had to lock
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in it, but she had to open the door. So,
I guess I can take a little bit of the
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blame for that, but... Is this a
recurring issue, Lily?
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Oh, you know, uh... I just maybe
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peaked a little bit, but, you know, I...
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I didn't mean anything by it.
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I didn't mean anything by it. Okay.
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Did that seem like a genuine thought
when you heard that, in your opinion,
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expert opinion?
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Well, you know, maybe.
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Let's talk more about the underlying
issues of why this might have happened
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in the first place.
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Lily, have you been able to meet your
sexual need since the death of your
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husband?
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Honestly, no.
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No, I haven't.
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Have you explored any masturbation?
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Well, you know, I feel that's so private
and everything.
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You know, I just feel very uncomfortable
talking about that.
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Okay.
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I mean, I am a professional, and, you
know, clearly your son is concerned
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you. I can leave the room if it makes
him more comfortable.
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Oh.
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You don't have to do that.
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I just, you know, I just, do you often
have trouble discussing sexual matters
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home? Yes.
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We don't talk about that at all, no. At
all? No. Okay.
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Even after the passing of your father,
if you have questions, you don't have a
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source of information?
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No, I just keep to myself, yeah.
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Okay. All right. And can you tell me why
that is?
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What's the barrier here around
discussing sexuality issues at home?
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I just feel so uncomfortable.
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Is there a place that discomfort is
coming from? Is there something that you
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would... Being a good church
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-going woman, I just don't feel like
that I should be discussing those
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Do you feel like your religion is
precluding you from a
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frank discussion of erotic and sexual
matters?
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Yes.
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Okay. Well, you know, I do regularly
counsel Christians,
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you know, Christian families and
Christian people about, you know, their
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personal matters. And, you know, I'm
sure that if you do read in the Bible,
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everyone likes to quote song to song.
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You know, there certainly is a time and
a place, and there are certain...
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stories that are expected to go a
certain way. And, you know, I feel like
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is room for human sexuality within the
Bible. You know, there's certainly a lot
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of rules governing it.
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And so I do feel
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like I understand where those barriers
come from. I really do. You know, and
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where they're perceived and everything
like that.
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I do have some information on a...
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Christian human sexuality group therapy
that, you know, I might like to give you
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at the end of our meeting today.
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But until then, I would like to try
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a few things.
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Okay. Is that okay?
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Mm -hmm. All right.
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So when I was getting my certification
and earning my diploma,
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we did spend some time with
hypnotherapy.
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Which isn't a focus.
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I haven't done much of it since school.
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But I feel like in this very specific
situation, it might really help you to
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feel more open discussing these things.
And you might get more out of the
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session. It might be really freeing for
you.
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Hypnotherapy, like stuff you see in
movies and stuff.
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I would not say that the depictions of
hypnotherapy I've seen in movies have
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been accurate.
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But, yeah, you know, kind of, you know,
sure.
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I mean, I'm sure if you were to sit in
on our session, you know, and I started
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doing it, you would recognize it. I
would love to watch it.
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Are you curious?
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Well, the induction part of it is all
pretty simple.
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What I would do would be that I would
sort of...
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Get your attention and then sort of
break down these barriers that you're
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and talking about these things, not so
that you can do anything that you don't
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already want to do. You can't, like in
films, hypnotize someone to do something
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they don't want to do already.
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But you can sort of help them become
more their true self, like put them in a
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state of suggestibility to themselves.
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Okay. Which I think is the big
difference between what you see.
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In films and stuff, it's like, you know,
I probably couldn't make you, like, rob
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a bank.
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Right. Probably not going to work.
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But, you know, I've in the past seen
other therapists use it to, you know,
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help a father tell his daughter that he
really does love her despite, you know,
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something horrible that she's done that
he might not approve of or, you know,
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something like that. It's actually quite
helpful to get people to stop smoking,
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you know, things that they do want to do
anyway. But sometimes you just need to.
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reframe someone's thinking a little bit.
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Okay. I'm willing to try. This will
help.
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Yeah. If you're open to it, I would like
to give it a shot. Okay.
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All right.
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Well, wonderful.
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Franco, I am going to ask you to bear
with us. All right. Do your thing.
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More focus on your mom a little bit
right now.
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So all hypnosis is really self
-hypnosis.
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And it's a state that you've probably
experienced before, whether you've
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experienced something called highway
hypnosis, where, let's say, you're
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from one familiar place, work, driving
to another familiar place, home, and you
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just kind of do it on autopilot.
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Another example of a hypnosis that is
commonly experienced by people is, say,
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watching a movie. You know, you're
focused on it. You can enter a movie
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and you can sit down in the dark, be
completely focused on the film, and not
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even notice who is sitting right behind
you.
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All of your attention is focused on the
screen.
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So the first thing that I like to do is
to get your attention.
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And to do that, I actually think I would
like to use a necklace.
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I wasn't really prepared for
hypnotherapy session today, so I don't
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anything else.
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Okay. But if I could just have you
really focus right here on this jewel
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here. And I'm not going to swing it back
and forth. I'm just going to let it
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dangle right here. And I want you to
focus on your attention right there.
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As you're doing it, I want you to start
paying attention to your breath. Your
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mind can hold up to six thoughts at
once.
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And one of them is going to be taken up
by this pendant right here. And one of
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them is going to be taken up by your
breath. Just focus on breathing in and
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And let your body relax.
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You can move. You don't have to stay
totally still when you're being
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It's just like watching a movie. It's
just like watching television. You can
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feel yourself get comfortable. If you
have an itch, you can totally scratch
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If you want to take a deep breath or a
breath or something anyway, you can do
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that. You can take off your shoes. You
could probably get fully undressed, and
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it wouldn't matter. All you have to do
is look at the jaw and look upon your
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breath.
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All you have to do is focus right there.
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Do your best to focus right there and
get comfortable.
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Your body can move automatically and
easily, and it won't distract you at
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Anything else that you might hear,
sounds of cars outside, your breathing,
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breathing, your son's breathing, the
temperature in the room, everything is
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going to serve to augment this moment.
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and serve to augment your focus on the
stool.
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As you focus on the stool, I want you,
in your mind, on your own, I want you to
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start counting backwards from 10 down to
zero.
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When you get to zero, I want your eyes
to close, and I want you to sink into a
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deep hypnotic.
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Focus on the jaw.
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Working down.
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All the way in your head.
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Good.
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Excellent. What did you do?
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Oh, my God.
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All right.
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Really ease yourself in a relaxed state.
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I want you to feel all of your muscles
becoming completely relaxed.
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And again, you can move as you need to.
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Anything natural that you need to do in
your body is complete. Completely limp
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and comfortable as though it is filled
with warm liquid.
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Completely relaxed.
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Completely limp.
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Excellent.
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Now I want you to feel a state of
relaxation and acceptance take over your
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entire body.
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As soon as you know that you are
completely focused and that you are
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susceptible to suggestions from your own
subconscious mind, I want you to say,
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I'm convinced.
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I'm convinced.
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Excellent. That was so easy.
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That was the easiest thing in the world,
just focusing.
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Now, really, you are a sexual being.
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And that's okay.
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You have sexual need, and that's
completely natural.
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Lord God created you as a thankful
creature, and he would not have given
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these wonderful, beautiful feelings if
you were not meant to explore them.
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I don't want you to ever question
anything that occurs to you naturally. I
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you to feel completely at ease with
yourself as a sexual woman and a sexual
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creature.
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I want you to feel open about expressing
that sexuality and comfortable
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expressing that sexuality.
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As you feel comfortable and relaxed
right now, that's how I want you to feel
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when you are expressing sex and sexual.
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I want you to remember the state that
you're in right now, where you are
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and open, and I want you to be able to
return to it at the snap of my fingers.
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I want you to know that this office is a
safe place.
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You can discuss anything here within
these four white walls.
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It is a safe space where you can explore
your thoughts, your feelings, your
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sexuality. And it's completely non
-judgmental. And it's completely
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And it's going to feel good to do so.
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It's going to feel good to explore your
sexuality.
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I'm going to keep talking to you. Once
you understand that it is completely
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for you to explore your sexuality, and
that the snapping of my fingers gives
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permission to do so, I want you to say,
I'm convinced.
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It's okay for you to explore your
sexuality.
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It's okay for you to explore your
sexuality. I'm convinced.
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Good girl. That's a wonderful memory.
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It's going to feel so good to explore
your sexuality here in this office.
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Now I am going to count back up from 0
to 10, and when I get to 10, I am going
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to snap my fingers. You are going to be
fully awake, and you are going to feel
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focused and refreshed and eager to have
an open conversation with me about sex.
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0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,
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6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
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Good. Hi.
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How are you feeling?
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I'm good.
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You feeling okay?
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Yes. All right. Good.
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That's wonderful.
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Okay. Let's continue our session.
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I'm so glad that you were willing to do
that.
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Yeah.
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I'm feeling great.
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Oh, yeah?
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You feeling relaxed?
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Yeah. Okay.
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All right. Awesome.
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So, I thought we could revisit a few
topics that we had discussed.
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Alright, yeah, let's go for it.
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So, Franco, can you tell me, in
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plain English, without censoring
yourself at all, what you think,
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if anything, what you think your mom
needs to be happy?
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After what I just saw, um, in plain
English, I said, uh, she needs to be,
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she needs to be fucked. She needs to be
pleasured. Um, obviously that's been,
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uh, gone since my dad's passing. And
that's exactly.
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Okay. I think.
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Uh, Lily, how do you feel about that
very honest statement?
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Well, I agree.
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It's been a long time.
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Yeah. Would you say that's something
that's been missing from your life?
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Yes, I would say so.
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Okay.
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Can I ask you, have what, if anything,
have you been doing to take care of your
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own sexual need?
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No, I haven't been.
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Because I feel like, you know, I
shouldn't be doing that.
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I'm afraid it's a sin.
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Okay.
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You know, there... Like so many things
in the Bible, there are different
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interpretations of it.
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But I do have to ask you, whom do you
think it's hurting for you to feel
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pleasure?
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I mean,
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really no one, I guess. But I just feel
like it's not the right thing to do.
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There's still that restraint there, even
though. But let's agree on that. Let's
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say...
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that we can say that it is not hurting
anybody if Lily were to masturbate.
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That's probably an accurate statement,
right? Okay.
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It's probably not going to burn down a
hospital. Right.
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Most likely. Right.
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How much should she be masturbating, in
your professional opinion?
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Well, you know, as much as she wants to.
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You know, and that varies for people.
There's, you know, different statistics
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that come out every few years. Somebody
does a survey where they're like, oh,
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how much do people, and the only
consistency we find is generally that
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do it a little bit less than men.
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But not as much as you would think.
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Or at least not as much as I would have
thought in my 20s.
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But okay, so you haven't really been
masturbating.
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When is the last time that you had an
orgasm?
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Probably way before his father.
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Oh, and you said that was... 18 months
ago.
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18 months ago that he passed away.
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So that's a while.
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Yeah.
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What is the longest in your adult life
that you have gone without climaxing?
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Probably six months.
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Okay, so the 18 months since you died is
the longest stretch, but a previous six
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-month period, that's kind of a lot. You
know, that seems like a lot to me.
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All right.
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Okay, let's try something else.
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Thank you very much, by the way, for
sharing this information with me. I know
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that it can be difficult to do that, but
I do want it to start to feel really
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good for you to share.
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Franco, let's have you stand here, and
Lily, let's have you stand right there.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So, Lily, I want you to take a deep
look. May I touch you, Franco?
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Yes.
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Take a deep look into your son's eyes.
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I want you both to sort of, like, start
breathing deeply into something that can
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really...
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make a connection between people is when
they kind of think up their breath.
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Okay. So what I would like you to do is
I would like to take your hand, Franco,
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and can I put this hand on your chest
right here? Okay.
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Right there, and same thing. Can I put
your hand right here on his chest?
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Okay. And I want you to just keep
breathing deeply, and I want you looking
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each other's eyes, and I want you to
think up as much as you can.
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So, Lily, there have been some instances
with you peeping on Franco.
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Thanks, Franco. How did that make you
feel?
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Was it a bad feeling?
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No, I wouldn't say it was a bad feeling.
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I would say the feeling, I don't know
how quite to explain.
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Not good, not bad.
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Not a good feeling, not a bad feeling.
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Yeah. That's okay. You know, it's okay
if you can't be back lately or you're
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thinking, so long as you're being open,
I would say it's more important to be
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open. Oh, yeah, like, if I wasn't trying
to be open, I would say it was bad
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right away, but her being my stepmom and
everything, like, yeah, I was like,
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this should feel bad, but that's where
the confusion comes in, like, oh, why
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don't I feel bad about it? Okay. I find
it intriguing.
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Okay. A way to put it.
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That's a great way to put it. That's
really beautiful.
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Do you want me to thank yourself for
sharing with you like that? Yeah.
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That was really wonderful. Thank you.
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And Lily, can you please tell me how it
felt to
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see Franco naked?
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Well, at first it was a little strange.
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Okay. But then I, I don't know, I just
actually kind of
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turned on by it. Okay.
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All right. How does that feel to talk
about that right now?
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It's a little difficult, but I feel like
I can and that I'm ready to talk about
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it. You're feeling a little more open?
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Yes.
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Yeah, he tends to remind me of his
father.
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Okay.
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I can see that. I can see you feeling
those kind of feelings and rejecting a
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little bit.
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Completely normal.
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It's not something we talk about very
much, but it's very common.
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Franco, you said that it would help your
mom if she were to have
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sex.
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Yes. Right?
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Okay. Do you feel like that's something
that she needs? How do you feel like her
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behavior would change if she was having
sex?
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Would she be... Probably more...
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And better moods and more open, like she
is now.
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Happier and more open, more relaxed,
maybe?
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Yes. Would that be accurate? Okay.
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All right, and that sounds good to you,
to have a mom around the house who is
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happy and relaxed and more open.
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That sounds better?
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Yes. Okay.
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And you both said that it didn't feel
bad when Lily
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was... Taking a peek, as it were,
meaning a little bit of a voyeur.
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But it was a negative experience.
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So I can understand how there would be a
lot of outside influence for telling
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me that it's a negative experience.
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But if you're not feeling it that way,
then I personally don't think that
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there's a lot to be gained from
wallowing in those negative feelings,
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So, Franco, I was wondering if you would
be willing to do something for me right
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now. And what is that?
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Well, I was wondering if you would maybe
be willing to let your mom sort of
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explore you more fully here right now.
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And what do you mean by explore? Like,
you want me to take my clothes off right
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now? Very specifically, yes. I was going
to start by asking you to take your
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clothes off. That was going to be my
step one.
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All right.
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And I know it can feel a little strange,
but I do think it can be very helpful.
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Well, I've seen what you've done so far,
and you work your magic, so... Okay,
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thank you.
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Whatever you say, yeah, I'm in. Willing
to take a risk? Yes.
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Willing to play the game? Okay, thank
you.
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I appreciate your confidence in my
ability.
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Lily, would that be okay? Are you
interested?
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It definitely feels strange, but I guess
if you think it will help.
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I do think that it will help, and
strange doesn't have to feel bad. So, of
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course, if it does feel bad, you can say
so.
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And if it feels strange, you can
certainly say so.
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It's just all about communication.
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Okay?
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Why don't you, Lily, tell Franco exactly
what you want him to do? I want you to
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take your shirt off. I want you to take
your shoes off. I want you to let me
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touch your chest. You know, anything
like that.
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Okay. Can you take that power?
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Sure.
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Okay,
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Franco. I want you to take your shirt
off.
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Okay.
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And it's all on your camera right here?
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Oh, yeah. I just use it to take notes in
my sessions.
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So it's okay for it to stay on?
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Oh, yeah. I mean, like, it'll be in my
files for me, you know.
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No one else will see it. No, I don't
generally allow people into my medical
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files. Okay.
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Oh, very private. Making sure.
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Mm -hmm.
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How long since you've been touched?
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That's been a long time too.
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You having a thought there, Franco?
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Whatever the doctor suggests.
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I always suggest open and honest
communication and clear expression of
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Seeing as she's seen me naked before, I
think she should return the favor.
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Good for her.
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Okay.
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00:32:23,020 --> 00:32:25,340
That's some very beautiful lingerie for
no one to see it.
472
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:28,880
Why, thank you.
473
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:33,840
May I?
474
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:34,920
Sure.
475
00:32:36,180 --> 00:32:39,340
It's always good to ask. You never know.
The answer might be yes.
476
00:32:39,540 --> 00:32:41,560
The answer's no. That's okay, too.
477
00:32:51,340 --> 00:32:55,240
Are you okay for you to explore each
other as long as you feel you're
478
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,240
it?
479
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,640
Without having to worry about any
judgment coming from anywhere else?
480
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:11,660
Don't want all of these repressions to
build up into resentments or
481
00:33:11,660 --> 00:33:12,880
neuroses.
482
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,040
Kind of get it all out.
483
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,080
Thank you.
484
00:33:44,670 --> 00:33:46,930
You're being so affectionate, Lily.
485
00:33:47,730 --> 00:33:50,350
I love it. I love seeing you enjoy
yourself.
486
00:33:56,940 --> 00:34:01,460
I'm so nervous when you first got here.
I know. I feel so much better now.
487
00:34:03,220 --> 00:34:04,220
Mm -hmm.
488
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:21,219
To your communicating, just kind of
about words, just physically enjoying
489
00:34:21,219 --> 00:34:23,760
yourself, connecting.
490
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,600
It's definitely been a long time.
491
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,520
But I'm glad we're able to do that.
492
00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:49,659
Did you want to take these off?
493
00:34:56,260 --> 00:34:58,660
Look at what a big step you've made,
Lily.
494
00:34:58,960 --> 00:34:59,859
I know.
495
00:34:59,860 --> 00:35:02,980
I feel like I've come a long way
already.
496
00:35:05,070 --> 00:35:06,130
Completely naked.
497
00:35:06,530 --> 00:35:08,030
You seem very relaxed.
498
00:35:08,970 --> 00:35:10,230
Very calm.
499
00:35:10,810 --> 00:35:12,970
I think you really helped me.
500
00:35:13,890 --> 00:35:15,810
I try.
501
00:35:19,410 --> 00:35:22,190
I feel definitely more relaxed now.
502
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,500
exploring each other so openly.
503
00:35:30,820 --> 00:35:33,760
Do you mind if I kind of come in there
and kind of like facilitate a little
504
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,500
Sure. Come on.
505
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:42,118
That's good.
506
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,420
I like to see more touching.
507
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:47,640
Eye contact is always nice.
508
00:35:48,620 --> 00:35:49,620
That's good.
509
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:52,960
That's right.
510
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,320
Kissing, exploring.
511
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:00,360
Wonderful.
512
00:36:04,460 --> 00:36:05,460
Vocalizing.
513
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,780
Leaning feeling.
514
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,100
And Franco, can you tell your mother how
beautiful she is?
515
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,440
This is okay.
516
00:36:20,060 --> 00:36:21,060
She's gorgeous.
517
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,300
And this is exactly what she needs.
518
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:28,600
Large breath.
519
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,700
And this tiny little wave, which is very
full hip.
520
00:36:37,420 --> 00:36:42,020
Really, it's okay for you two to talk
about how your son looks.
521
00:36:42,860 --> 00:36:46,020
I imagine that these pictorials didn't
just happen.
522
00:37:02,410 --> 00:37:03,410
You're so handsome.
523
00:37:06,070 --> 00:37:09,750
I like how you two are using your hands
to explore each other.
524
00:37:10,030 --> 00:37:11,810
Your mouth a little bit.
525
00:37:12,350 --> 00:37:13,930
Franco's using his mouth a little bit.
526
00:37:15,630 --> 00:37:18,230
He needs to have a little bit more of an
oral fixation.
527
00:37:24,510 --> 00:37:25,810
Maybe you should just kind of go.
528
00:37:26,090 --> 00:37:30,010
That whatever you want to experience,
he's doing such a beautiful job in
529
00:37:30,010 --> 00:37:32,330
communicating with your eyes and your
body.
530
00:37:32,990 --> 00:37:34,830
It's really gorgeous to watch.
531
00:38:20,109 --> 00:38:22,310
It's quiet interaction.
532
00:38:28,730 --> 00:38:29,770
Enjoying yourself?
533
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,280
I am. Yeah.
534
00:38:33,380 --> 00:38:34,420
Are you guys?
535
00:38:35,860 --> 00:38:38,000
I'm having, I mean, you know, my
calling.
536
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,500
So I'm having a wonderful time.
537
00:38:41,860 --> 00:38:46,860
It's always nice to have a successful
session and seeing two people really
538
00:38:46,860 --> 00:38:48,220
each other and come together.
539
00:38:49,020 --> 00:38:55,060
You know, because they're coming
together as a mother and son
540
00:38:55,060 --> 00:38:58,420
or as partners in another way.
541
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:32,730
It looks like I feel great.
542
00:39:33,810 --> 00:39:39,170
I feel more comfortable with you. You
got more on our level with.
543
00:39:39,530 --> 00:39:41,310
Clothing -wise. Okay.
544
00:39:41,530 --> 00:39:43,190
Dr. Fiber, would you please?
545
00:39:43,930 --> 00:39:45,630
Would you please be naked?
546
00:39:45,950 --> 00:39:49,870
Yes. I think that I can accommodate that
request.
547
00:39:50,370 --> 00:39:51,370
I think that's doable.
548
00:39:54,590 --> 00:39:56,690
I do enjoy facilitating.
549
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,320
Oh my God.
550
00:40:47,020 --> 00:40:48,360
That feels so good.
551
00:41:12,430 --> 00:41:16,370
If somebody had told you that your mom
would be doing this last week, you
552
00:41:16,370 --> 00:41:18,410
probably would have believed it.
553
00:41:19,650 --> 00:41:20,650
Never.
554
00:41:23,730 --> 00:41:26,710
I never would have imagined I would be
doing this.
555
00:41:29,570 --> 00:41:32,990
I'm pretty sure that it's okay for you
to explore it.
556
00:41:35,310 --> 00:41:37,790
There will be no negative consequences.
557
00:41:38,050 --> 00:41:40,650
I really think that you can just kind of
let go of guilt.
558
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,440
You're not hurting anybody.
559
00:41:45,740 --> 00:41:47,260
In fact, probably quite the opposite.
560
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:17,500
I was going to ask you, Lily, if there
were any specific parts of them that you
561
00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:21,140
wanted to explore, but it seems like you
found one.
562
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,580
Yeah. You seem very focused.
563
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,620
It looks like you're really enjoying
yourself down there, Lily.
564
00:42:31,980 --> 00:42:34,800
Is that a good place to be? Mm -hmm.
565
00:42:37,980 --> 00:42:40,440
You know what I think?
566
00:42:40,740 --> 00:42:41,669
Mm -hmm.
567
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:48,150
I think that I want you to look right
here, and the church lady
568
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:55,090
has gone to church, Lily, and all that's
left in her place, all those built -up
569
00:42:55,090 --> 00:43:01,990
wants and desires, all that sexual
craving, and I want it all
570
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:08,590
to come out in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
571
00:43:32,070 --> 00:43:34,590
Is that an invitation?
572
00:43:35,390 --> 00:43:36,690
Oh yes.
573
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:46,170
Oh, yeah.
574
00:43:47,350 --> 00:43:49,870
Oh, yeah.
575
00:43:50,410 --> 00:43:51,410
Oh,
576
00:43:52,310 --> 00:43:53,310
yeah. Oh,
577
00:43:57,630 --> 00:43:58,630
yeah.
578
00:43:58,890 --> 00:43:59,930
Oh,
579
00:44:03,070 --> 00:44:04,070
yeah.
580
00:44:36,100 --> 00:44:38,560
She did just need to get fucked.
581
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,880
Yeah, honestly
582
00:45:13,870 --> 00:45:14,870
That was amazing.
583
00:45:16,570 --> 00:45:17,930
That was fun.
584
00:45:18,690 --> 00:45:21,130
Yeah. Do you want to come over here?
585
00:45:21,490 --> 00:45:22,490
I mean, I don't want to impose.
586
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:25,010
Okay. That's fine.
587
00:45:25,470 --> 00:45:27,050
Do you want to share a little bit?
588
00:45:31,530 --> 00:45:37,550
So gorgeous.
589
00:45:41,370 --> 00:45:42,730
So steady.
590
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:44,780
Oh, that's so hot.
591
00:45:47,260 --> 00:45:50,220
Look at that just sticking out.
592
00:45:50,820 --> 00:45:53,880
I'm so enlarged.
593
00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:57,140
Mm -hmm.
594
00:45:58,220 --> 00:45:59,400
Mm -hmm.
595
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:05,580
Cut it.
596
00:46:05,780 --> 00:46:06,780
Oh, yeah.
597
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,500
There it is. Oh, wow.
598
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:13,680
Oh my god.
599
00:46:16,300 --> 00:46:18,680
Oh wow.
600
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:19,920
Oh my god.
601
00:46:22,620 --> 00:46:25,020
You just kind of took that. That's a big
dick.
602
00:46:26,460 --> 00:46:27,720
Oh my god.
603
00:46:56,759 --> 00:46:57,759
Thank you.
604
00:47:30,540 --> 00:47:32,280
Thank you.
605
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,800
That was weird.
606
00:51:00,990 --> 00:51:02,090
It's so good.
607
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,000
Thank you for watching.
608
00:51:57,830 --> 00:51:58,990
That's so good.
609
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,820
Oh, it's right there. It's right on the
clitoris. Oh my god.
610
00:53:12,220 --> 00:53:14,720
Oh my
611
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:20,060
god!
612
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:26,180
Oh god, yeah.
613
00:53:29,980 --> 00:53:30,980
mm -hmm
614
00:54:02,419 --> 00:54:08,580
You have a
615
00:54:08,580 --> 00:54:13,280
very talented son. Apparently I do.
616
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:26,220
I'm sorry.
617
00:54:48,779 --> 00:54:51,580
um um
618
00:55:33,070 --> 00:55:34,070
You were curious.
619
00:55:35,110 --> 00:55:38,270
That is a lot of that. Oh, my God.
620
00:55:44,450 --> 00:55:46,110
Nice. Yes.
621
00:55:47,290 --> 00:55:48,290
It's beautiful.
622
00:55:49,230 --> 00:55:50,230
It's beautiful.
623
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,420
Thank you.
624
00:57:10,799 --> 00:57:11,800
Oh God, wow.
625
00:57:15,860 --> 00:57:17,640
Oh my God.
626
00:58:22,510 --> 00:58:24,690
You're ready to pick a question.
627
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:27,430
Better than I imagined.
628
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,760
I love watching you get what you need.
629
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,100
So fulfilling as a therapist.
630
01:00:05,140 --> 01:00:07,320
Just to see a client get what she needs.
631
01:00:09,930 --> 01:00:10,930
Come into your room.
632
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,760
You're happy?
633
01:01:06,220 --> 01:01:08,160
I'm happy
634
01:01:13,100 --> 01:01:14,100
I'm going to eat this.
635
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:15,880
Oh, yeah.
636
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:19,200
Oh, yeah.
637
01:01:24,700 --> 01:01:31,640
Oh, that's
638
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:32,880
right. Oh, that's beautiful.
639
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:35,420
So gorgeous.
640
01:03:20,780 --> 01:03:21,780
I'll see you together.
641
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,480
Really? I have one more question. Yeah?
642
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:36,880
Where do you think would be a good
place?
643
01:03:39,740 --> 01:03:41,260
Really? Yeah.
644
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:45,760
Really? That's not what I expected you
to say, but okay.
645
01:03:50,730 --> 01:03:51,730
Pretty face.
646
01:03:52,310 --> 01:03:55,030
Yeah, I think I could do that. Yeah, I
think you can.
647
01:03:56,310 --> 01:03:57,970
I believe in you.
648
01:04:03,050 --> 01:04:04,490
Give me a hug.
649
01:04:38,330 --> 01:04:40,490
Yeah, I want you to come on my face.
650
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,660
I guess you were right.
651
01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:45,020
I guess you were right.
652
01:05:54,350 --> 01:05:57,530
That you two can do this whenever she
needs it.
653
01:05:58,630 --> 01:06:00,430
Whenever you need it.
654
01:06:00,670 --> 01:06:01,770
That sounds good.
655
01:06:03,710 --> 01:06:06,730
It's okay to get what you need if it
sounds good for you.
656
01:06:07,010 --> 01:06:08,310
Thank you both.
657
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:28,760
for being here today, for being present
and so open to new experiences.
658
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:35,940
I really appreciate it. Thank you. And
now
659
01:06:35,940 --> 01:06:37,860
hopefully there's more open
communication.
660
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:41,700
We don't need any more little white lies
to get mom into therapy.
661
01:06:42,500 --> 01:06:46,680
Right. I really do hope that this was
nice for you and, you know, it kind of
662
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:50,200
like sinks in over the next week. If you
two would like to make another
663
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,660
appointment, you can call myself.
664
01:06:53,100 --> 01:06:56,720
Of course, and she would be happy to
make one for you. Okay.
665
01:06:57,100 --> 01:07:00,700
Definitely. I would love to see you
again. I'll hope to see you in one to
666
01:07:00,700 --> 01:07:01,760
weeks. Okay.
667
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:03,400
If you're open to it.
668
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,420
And, yeah, in the meantime, I will email
you all the information that we talked
669
01:07:07,420 --> 01:07:10,760
about. And any questions?
670
01:07:11,100 --> 01:07:12,180
Are we forgetting anything?
671
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:15,720
I don't believe so. Okay.
672
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:18,360
We've covered just about everything.
673
01:07:18,660 --> 01:07:20,300
All right. I couldn't think of anything
either.
674
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:25,780
There is... a little washroom just down
the hall if you would both like to get
675
01:07:25,780 --> 01:07:28,600
cleaned up, which I'm assuming you
especially would.
676
01:07:29,020 --> 01:07:31,320
Yeah, I should before I go outside.
677
01:07:31,780 --> 01:07:32,780
Probably.
678
01:07:33,060 --> 01:07:36,480
And, yeah, I think that's it.
679
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:38,300
Okay, thank you so much.
680
01:07:39,420 --> 01:07:41,800
Thank you. It was nice to meet you, too.
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