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All right.

Oh,

okay.

Hi. Come on in.

Hello. Hi. I'm Billy.

I'm Bailey and Jamie. Jamie.

Pleasure to meet you. Do you two want to have a seat right here?

Thank you.

All right.

Just going over my notes here after you called.

My first session, I would like to take a minute to introduce myself.

My name is Dr. Penny Barber.

I've been practicing family therapy for a few years now.

I've been based out of this office for a while, and I love what I do.

Let me think.

Do you have any questions for me? I know you've kind of, like, been through my

website and Jamie and I.

set up our meeting for today.

No, nothing specific.

Do you have any questions?

No. Okay. Well, it is nice to meet both of you. You too. Thank you.

So you're the mother -son couple?

Yeah. Okay. All right. I do a lot of mother -son counseling.

It's kind of a specialty of mine. So I'm glad to have you here and hope we can

help with whatever is going on.

Jamie, do you want to tell me a little bit about yourself? Are you married? Are

you divorced?

Well, I'm just currently divorced.

His father left us a while ago.

So we've been going through that, dealing with that at home.

And it's been causing some problems with him, definitely.

This is why I speak to you out to hopefully balance everything back out

us. Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

So, Billy, are you in school right now?

Yeah. All right. I'm kind of getting in a little trouble, but... All right.

Okay. Well, we'll get to that.

Is there anything that you wanted to tell me about yourself? Are you into

gaming? Yeah, a little. Yeah? A little bit? Okay.

That's cool.

Do you have any other hobbies? Do you work out?

Yeah, I work out.

Okay. I like fighting.

You like fighting? Yeah, I like boxing and stuff like that. Okay. All right.

Boxing.

Cool. I like to watch Pride Fights, too.

So,

how do you feel about being here today? Are you okay with it? I

don't really know why I have to be here, but she said we'd have to come.

I'm not totally into it, but you're here. You came.

Thank you. I'm trying.

You're trying?

Okay. You know, I really find that at the end of the day, that's kind of

everything. You know, it's all you can do, but it's still a lot to do is to

So thank you, really, for being present.

Jamie, have you done therapy before?

I have in the past, yes, or a couple of counseling.

Okay. This will be the first time with.

therapy with him.

Did you have a good experience with therapy? No, I did.

Absolutely. It was great. It helped us immensely.

Okay. Alright.

So, Billy, are you dating anyone right now?

No. No? Just busy with school and stuff.

Busy with school and stuff?

Okay. Girls call. He just doesn't act interested for some reason.

Alright.

Okay, do you, you know, but there's no girl that you have a crush on?

Is there a boy that you have a crush on? No, definitely not. Okay.

I mean, it's cool if you do.

Well, he's not busy with school now. He was suspended for fighting,

unfortunately.

You did say you like fighting.

The kid had a comment.

He beat the kid to a bloody pulp.

Oh. Completely unacceptable.

What happened with that?

Coughs and balls? Or you get a suspension?

Yeah, he's suspended for the last two weeks he's been home.

For two weeks? That's not nothing.

That's a long time.

Yeah.

You've been on your suspension and staying home?

Yeah, two weeks in close with her.

Okay. What has that been like?

Has it been tough?

Better than school.

Okay, fair enough. It has been better than school.

How about for you, Mom? How's that been, having him around? It's been a lot of

trials and tribulations, for sure. But we get through it, you know.

Is there anything specific that you've been having issues with? I mean, is he

cleaning up his room? Is he a mess in the kitchen?

All of that. He has to clean up after himself, listen, you know, the basics.

The basics?

Okay, well, you know.

Pretty normal. Is that kind of like part of why you're here today?

Yeah, he just had an anger problem that I've noticed, especially since his dad

left. And we just want to get to the bottom of it, see what's going on.

And this anger, Billy, do you feel like he's been angry?

Not really.

Not really, but do you feel that he's been?

Angry. Yes.

Do you feel, like it's acknowledging that, Bill, you don't feel like you've

angry. Do you feel that it's been directed at you?

No, definitely not. I mean, it's been a perfect angel to me, but definitely

everyone around and school, obviously, has been a major issue.

Okay. So... Billy, why do you think that your mom says that?

Why do you think she feels that way?

I mean, I guess I...

angry, but I feel like they should be.

My dad left.

That's true.

Your dad did leave.

That's a response. Have you been talking to him at all or emailing or texting?

Not really. Not really? Not really.

Has that been kind of rough on you? Do you want to talk to him some more? Yeah,

there's a bunch of questions I want to ask.

Okay. Do you think that maybe he just needs some time to cool off and like...

Come back around and get involved again?

We don't know. We haven't heard from him.

He's just up and left.

Okay.

I'm very sorry about that. That's hard. How are you dealing with that? Are you

taking care of yourself?

Yeah, I'm okay. I'm taking care of him. I'm taking care of the household.

So are you getting time for yourself?

Maybe a few days tonight with a glass that should bleed in the tub.

Yeah, here and there if I get lucky.

All right. Bye.

So, you said maybe you're feeling a little anger.

I don't notice it, but other people say it.

Other people are saying it. Have you noticed anything that you do or say that

makes other people feel like you've been angry? Like, is there a pattern that

you've noticed?

I mean, I guess I could be a little short with people.

Okay. Maybe a little sniffy? Yeah.

Yeah. Would you say you agree with that? I mean, I would say a piece.

Fighting at school.

Punching people.

Straight to his head.

Let's talk about that incident.

What triggered that? Did the kid take a swing at you? Did he say something?

I just didn't like his attitude.

You didn't like his attitude?

Can you tell me about his attitude?

He started talking about Jane.

She said my mom was hot.

Oh. I wasn't listening to that.

Okay. Were you aware of this? I was not aware of this.

Okay. So, that was upsetting to you that he said that your mom was good

-looking.

Go a little bit more.

Yeah, I mean, I just lost my cool.

I mean, she's a very beautiful lady.

You know.

But, I mean, if he's going to talk about my mom like that, he's... It's not

cool. So... I had to do something about it. It's not cool?

Well, like, why is it not cool?

I mean, don't jump on me because I said your message is attractive.

No, I'm just super disrespectful.

Disrespectful? Like, how? I mean, it's... Plus, my mom's awesome.

She is?

Thank God.

Does that upset you that one of his friends said that you were good -looking

attractive or... No, I don't see the problem in it.

Okay. So, you don't feel like he needs to defend whatever. It's not like you

were... Dating this kid or something. Yeah. You just need to defend your own

uncle. I appreciate it, though, but you don't need to be getting in trouble over

it. Okay, but you... You got him.

Oh, he won't say anything again.

Probably.

But, like, is that a problem for you? That other people find your mom

attractive? Or is it disrespectful towards you?

Or... Yeah, I guess it is a problem.

Can you tell me a little bit about...

Why? Because that's kind of an extreme reaction.

Yeah, I mean, I didn't notice it before.

It was just once my father left, it kind of happened.

What kind of happened?

If anybody said anything about her, I'd just get aggressive.

I have to defend her. It's like my job now.

Right, since your father left, you're feeling more like you've stepped into

role? Yeah, I'm supposed to protect her.

Do you think...

Here, let's have you picture in your mind your mother's

perfect partner.

Like, you know, who should be with her, the kind of guy you'd like to see with

her. It can be your dad or it can be someone else. But if you're going to put

together, you know, various qualities for this person who should be her

what does that look like?

They'd have to be able to protect her. Okay.

Good looking.

Mm -hmm.

And just respect her.

Respect her? Yeah.

Uh -huh. And sort of, like, defend her.

Yeah. Okay. So you have definite ideas.

And I'm guessing that these did not apply to the kid on the other end of it.

definitely, no. Okay.

So how would you feel if she did start?

Dating again.

I don't know, to be honest with you.

I don't really know if she's ready to start dating yet.

How long ago did the split in the marriage?

It's been about six, seven months now.

So it's not been an excessively long time, but it's been a while. Yeah. It's

been enough time that you're talking about a comedy. I'm not having to, like,

scramble for tissues or anything like that. Although I'm sure it's still...

Hurts. How do you feel about dating again?

I feel like it would be okay. I just have to just slowly ease my way into it.

think it would be a good thing eventually to get back into.

Do you have any plans to start dating again?

Not right away, but definitely something within the next few months, possibly.

I should start venturing into and seeing what's out there.

Yeah, definitely something I would venture into. I don't think you're

You don't think so?

What would that look like to you if she was ready?

Good for her if she's ready, but I just don't think she is.

What do you think would be the tangible or intangible signifiers that mom's

ready to start dating again?

Would she have a certain attitude?

Would it just be like a certain amount of time has passed?

A certain amount of time passed.

A certain amount of time passed? A couple of years.

A couple of years?

Okay.

How would you feel if she decided that that was too long? That she wanted to

start dating within the next few months?

I think it's too soon.

It would be too soon for her or it would be too soon for you?

Probably both of us.

Okay. So it sounds a little bit like we have a disagreement here about something

that may be a little closer to the root of our problem.

Maybe?

Okay.

Maybe.

Let me think about this.

So, Billy, you might have heard of something like this before.

This is over here by my camera.

Are you familiar with an inkblot test or a Rorschach test?

Oh, they look like pictures?

Yeah, exactly. They look like pictures.

You just have a look. I'm just going to have you look at a few of them.

And just tell me what they make you think.

how they make you feel.

Let's select the ones that I want.

Okay,

so

I'm just going to show them to you and like anything that it makes you think

you can just tell me what occurred to you.

Top of your head. Okay? Free association. No wrong answers.

It's a test that you're guaranteed to ace.

Anything in question?

It's a rib cage.

Rib cage.

That's interesting.

Okay.

Rib cage.

Sounds like a bathrobe, doesn't it? A bathrobe? Yeah. A bathrobe. A red page

a bathrobe. Okay.

Very interesting.

Card seven, a bathrobe.

And I'm just going to give you two more here.

Card ten.

Looks kind of like a woman with big hips, doesn't it? Big hips.

Okay. I can see that.

And black is certainly not big.

Kind of like a flower, isn't it? Like an upside -down flower.

Yeah, like an inverted flower.

Does that look more appropriate?

Yeah.

Is it a candy or a pansy? Yeah.

Yeah, maybe. I can see that.

That was very interesting.

Did I pass?

You did pass. You did very well.

Just so that you know, it seems like a fixation on biological and

anatomical forms, especially in the feminine torso.

So can I ask you a few questions about your living situation right now?

You've been home for two weeks.

And do you have a job outside the home or do you stay at home?

I stay at home. Okay.

Yes. Stay -at -home parent.

So you two are sharing the house pretty much?

All day.

All day?

Yes. Especially the last two weeks.

Are you sharing a bathroom?

Yes.

Yeah?

Okay. Is it like, how does that usually work out? Like in your day -to -day

routine?

Let's say you get up in the morning, you know, do you have it worked out so that

someone showers in the morning, someone showers in the evening, or?

Well, I'll shower in the morning.

He showers after I'm finished.

Immediately following?

Yes. Okay.

All right.

And what about your sort of like modesty practices around the house? Do you tend

to wear a bathrobe?

Occasionally, right out of the shower, you know, to go into my room and change.

Yeah. Do you mind if I ask what color it is?

It's white.

Okay.

Um, what about you? Are you a bathrobe fan?

No. No? Just a towel and out.

Okay. Very butch. Yeah. Okay.

Just a towel.

And sleeping arrangements.

Everyone has their own room?

Yeah. Okay.

Um.

We're home together all day. I imagine that's pretty, like, close quarters.

So when you are around the house.

I'm sorry to interrupt you, but you mentioned the camera earlier. Is that

Oh, yeah.

So I just like to take notes sort of digitally.

You know, I mean, like, I write, too, if I want to, like, specifically just have

something quick to go back to. But I like being able to watch the whole

So it's note -taking.

Thank you for clarifying. Sorry to interrupt.

It's okay.

Nobody else is. It's just for me.

Oh, I remember.

So, Billy, I would just like to ask you kind of an odd question, but

can you indulge me?

Even if it's a little bit weird and makes you uncomfortable, can you just

do it for me?

How do you feel about your mom?

They are, you know, displayed.

It's cool she dressed like that at home.

But I want her out in public like that.

Then everyone can see.

Well, how do you feel about her being dressed like that here in my office?

I guess it's okay. You seem cool.

Thank you. I try.

Okay. I have been noticing a few little eye flutters to that general area. Is

it just distracting for you?

Not really.

No?

Okay. Remember, I am recording, so I'll be able to go back and count. I text.

I promise.

Okay.

All right.

How do you feel about, like, what would you say are your mother's three most

attractive qualities?

She's a good listener.

She's a great personality.

Okay.

And I guess.

Can I say that?

You're going to have to say it.

She has awesome breasts.

Okay.

Jeannie, how does that make you feel that he thinks that? Well, I mean, thank

you for the compliment, sweetheart.

But I guess it's normal, natural for him to be attracted to breasts.

Usually, yes.

I would say that it is.

So if you weren't, if she wasn't your mom, would you say that Jamie is your

type?

Yeah, I guess you could say that.

Jamie, can I have you just stand right here for me, please?

So you mentioned feeling like your stepmom needs to be protected.

Mm -hmm.

And that you don't think she's ready to date yet, but you can't really give me a

definite reason as to why.

Yeah. Okay.

And apparently you feel strongly enough about this that you got physical with

another guy. Is that correct?

Yeah, that's cool.

Can you just take a look at your mom for me?

Up and down.

So you see her every single day. It sounds like the two of you have gotten

really close, especially since your dad left.

Is that correct?

Yeah.

Okay, why don't you stand up for me? Okay.

So,

can you hold hands with me for a second?

Yeah.

I don't know if you've done this a lot at home, but can you two hands look at

each other?

Take a breath. I want to feel both of you. Feel your breath sinking up.

Good.

Good.

You want to open your eyes. I want you to look into each other's eyes. Just

of keep breathing.

That's good.

It's a little awkward to just look into someone else's eyes.

It kind of brings everything to the fore.

Do you think that we're trying not to say, it's okay if you want to smile or

want to laugh. It's okay.

It's not something we do very often, is it? No.

No. Not at all. Not at all.

How are you feeling, Jamie?

I'm okay.

Okay. Let's keep looking at each other's eyes, even when you're talking to me,

okay? Okay. I don't want you to feel like I'm here.

I want you to just kind of like think of me as like a little voice in your ears.

It's like keep breathing. Listen in and out. Listen to each other.

Billy, you too.

You know, Billy, I want you to kind of like let your eyes kind of go up and

your body.

Sort of take it all in.

Think about how she looks.

Think about how she's been caring for you. About what you think she needs as

opposed to what she thinks she needs. Just need you to think about your

situation.

Okay?

Now you should think about how you can't beat up everybody who says that she's

hot. Because it's probably going to be a lot of people, okay?

Would you say that's accurate?

Yeah. So what I think, Billy, and just keep looking at each other.

Now you should just think about what I'm talking about. I want you to think

about how she is a very beautiful woman.

And she probably does need someone to take care of her and protect her.

And that's okay.

And I want you to think about how it's okay for you to be honest about your

feelings.

I know that this is kind of like a strange thing to do with the eye gazing,

also it's very difficult in my experience to lie to someone or be

someone when you're breathing together and looking into each other's eyes,

So... I want you to take three more deep breaths, Billy.

And then, once I'm done talking, you can keep breathing.

But once I'm done talking, I want you to take three deep breaths.

And then I want you to say whatever it is that I can feel

you holding on in here. I want you to say whatever it is that you've been

wanting to say.

Can you do that for me?

I cannot crush on my mom.

Okay.

I thought that maybe that would be where that was going.

Jamie, how does that make you feel? Is that surprising to you?

Yeah, it's a little surprising. A little overwhelming.

Okay. A little overwhelming.

How do you feel? Not like you think you're supposed to say, but how do you

I feel a little confused, but it makes sense for the anger and the

lashing out.

I'm trying to get my attention.

Well, you certainly got her attention, but this time we're not going to buddy

anyone's nose over it, okay?

Okay, you two want to have a seat now?

Okay.

All right, Billy, thank you very much for sharing that. I know that's hard to

sometimes, okay?

All right, and I do appreciate it. I'm sure Jamie, oh, he's pushing here.

Jamie, I'm sure that you appreciate his candor and telling me how he feels.

So what I would like to do with the rest of our time today is kind of establish

what we're going to do with that information.

It's actually very common.

especially in the situation that you two are living in right now. It would

almost be more unusual if it didn't happen.

Okay. But I assure you, it's very normal.

It's a relief.

Okay.

You just have to kind of have a plan for how to deal with it so that some

people don't get themselves into trouble again.

And, you know, you can continue to function and everything like that. Okay?

So, Billy, I want to have you.

Do something with me that's going to hopefully help get some of that jealousy

under control and bring you more in touch with your feelings. Because I

it's more than just, oh, I don't want anyone else having what I can't have.

I think that it's more about being comfortable with yourself so that once

labeled those emotions and defined where they're coming from, that you can then

center yourself.

You know, because, like, when you don't have that anchor point, you know, oh, my

gosh, like, what's happening? You know, everything can spiral out of control.

But if we can just practice with you what we've established, I think that

going to make a big, big change in your behavior for the better. I think you're

going to be happier.

Your mom's going to be way happier, which I'm assuming is important to you.

So are you both willing to help me with that? Yes, absolutely.

We're all on board?

Yeah, definitely.

I'm grateful for it. Thank you. Okay.

Awesome. I know I just had you sit down, but Jamie, can you stand up again for

me? Just right here.

Okay.

All right.

So, Billy, we're going to play a game, and you're going to be sort

of the game board that we're playing on. Okay? Okay?

So, I am going to use my hand over Jamie's body, and

you're going to tell me how anxious,

that makes you feel, okay? So you can take anywhere from like a one to a five.

And so one is like, you know, whatever, you know, like her shaking hands with

grandma. I mean, I don't care.

Like a five where it's like that feeling like right before you made sure that

that other boy wasn't going to say anything anymore, okay?

Simple enough game, right?

Got it?

Okay, can you do that with me? One through five.

Yeah, just like one through five and just tell me how you're feeling. If you

want to put more words to it than just numbers, feel free.

Okay? Just ahead of you, sorry.

All right, you okay?

You ready to go?

All right.

Take a one.

Yeah, like a one, the hair.

Two.

Oh, okay, a two.

It's like in between the two.

Okay.

Yeah, that kind of makes me feel like it's like three.

That's a three? Yeah. Five counts three.

Two.

Okay. I don't know how to put names.

Really? Like specifically like this more area right here?

Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, definitely a five.

So that's a five.

Definitely a five.

All right, but you're keeping control of yourself really, really well. Thank

you.

Thank you. Do you want to maybe start breathing again for me?

I noticed you're kind of holding your breath a little bit.

I said it was a five. Why didn't you keep going?

Is that because this is like upsetting to you?

A little.

A little bit. Okay. We're just maintaining it. We've been doing it.

happening. Right?

Everything's okay. Everything's chill.

You're doing very well.

Good job, sweetheart.

I'm super proud of you.

Mom's super proud of you.

Mm -hmm.

No, that's like way more than a five.

More than a five?

I feel like he's very focused.

Is this how you dress every day?

Okay.

Okay, so this is like

quite upsetting.

Yeah, a little.

Is she uncomfortable?

A little.

Somebody seems a little bit possessive of Tommy's breasts.

A little.

Maybe a little.

Maybe a little?

Okay. Well, they're lovely.

Thank you for a hug.

Okay, so I would say that your trigger areas are her vulva

and also very much so breasts.

Okay?

Yeah?

Can you think of anything that would make you feel more comfortable? I

this is stressful for you. Again, thank you for maintaining your decorum.

But can you think of anything that would make you feel more comfortable?

With her being touched here?

If I got to touch?

Okay, if you got to do it, you think that would make you feel a little bit

calmer? Yeah, maybe we'll feel left out.

Okay, I can see that.

I'm trying to think if I want to have you stand up or if I want to have you

down. Why don't you sit down? I should.

Here, Billy, you can move.

Okay, let's have you open your knees for me.

Thank you.

Jamie, is it okay with you if Billy touches you?

Yeah. Okay, like just in a therapeutic way.

Okay.

So Billy, you can stand up, you can sit down, you can kneel, wherever you

want to be, wherever you think is best, okay?

So Billy, now I'm going to be touching Jamie from this side, and you can just

kind of go from that side, and you know, anything that I'm doing, you know, you

can mirror me, okay?

That sound?

Yeah.

Kind of like calm the beast a little bit?

Okay.

Okay, ready?

Okay. All right.

This is a little bit strange, but it is like what you have been.

Don't focus on the fact that it's your mom.

The fact that it's a beautiful female form.

And, Janina, you can let yourself enjoy it, too. Like, guilt -free.

It's okay.

Yeah. Totally fine.

You know?

Sometimes it's like doing this kind of work.

It really is worth it in the long run. You know?

You okay, honey?

Okay. I'm okay.

Okay. Okay.

We're going to be, like, mirroring. my hands, right?

So if my hand goes here, so does yours.

It's very warm.

Let's see if that continues down here.

Oh, you're so close. Your little hand is shaking.

It's all right.

If you get nervous, just take a deep breath and remind yourself this is okay.

Okay. Not hurting anybody is certainly better than being hung to a bloody pulp.

I agree.

Much better.

I see you're kind of like trailing behind me a bit.

There you go.

Thank you.

It's okay.

It's okay.

Like it?

Yeah, kind of.

There you go.

I'm just going to keep going.

I feel like you saw the basis of what I was doing.

I'm just kind of... I'm still following you.

No, you can just kind of like explore as it were. I want you to take the ring

from that one.

Take the ring.

It's okay to vocalize, Jamie.

Kind of let it out.

Wonderful.

You have a very interested nipple, apparently.

Which is normal and totally fine.

The only reason I'm talking about it is because it's totally fine.

As long as I draw attention, people get all nervous, but you don't have to,

okay?

Well, when you two are, you know, sharing a bathroom and everything at

she just first gets out wearing that white bathtub, do you ever think about

seeing your mom naked?

No, not really.

No, not really?

Are you sure?

You're doing that thing where you're kind of looking to the left, which

generally implies... I guess when you put it that way. I guess I do.

You guess you do?

Maybe? Yeah, I do.

Okay. Right? You don't have to say anything just to please me. No, no,

right. Okay.

It's okay to, like, be honest. You know, we're trying to break down these

barriers because they're causing tension.

The barriers are causing tension.

You know, they're making you lash out, you know, when you can't talk about

feelings, you can't name feelings, and it's okay.

Definitely suppressing and making them angry.

Yeah, it is. It's manifesting as anger, which is not...

what anyone wants. It's not what your mom wants.

I'm sure it's not what you want. I'm very sure it's not what the other kid

wanted. So, it's okay.

You don't have to be nervous. I heard your hand is fluttering.

Do you maybe want to use both of your hands?

Actually, James, we have you take off your heels. Oh, I love these. These are

super cute.

And that's how you can stand up here.

And, Billy, you can raise your hand.

Maybe come more direction.

Oh, you got ready. Okay.

Anything?

If you have anything you want to ask, then I want you to actually stand up,

eye contact, and say what you're feeling and what you want, okay?

I'm going to work on you owning these emotions.

Sure. We can do that.

Why did you say yes? Do you have people owning

your feelings? And I'm so proud of both of you. It's okay to check in.

Are you going to keep the camera rolling the whole time?

I mean, it's confidential.

It's not really any different from me writing it down. It's okay.

Okay, should we take this off too?

Really?

Yes, please. Yes, please.

Okay.

How's that?

Should I keep going?

Okay, I want you to do it here. Let's have you both stand up and date each

again.

Remember, I'm not going to be going home with you. We have to talk to each

other. Yeah, we should be going.

Going? Yeah.

Top or bottom?

Both.

That's good. I'm going to focus on just having you really vocalize what you're

thinking, what you're feeling.

I'm jealous.

I'm excited. I want this. I want that.

And I don't want you to feel guilty about it, you know.

A lot of times you hold things in and you're keeping it a secret because you

feel guilty about it, and there's really no reason why you should feel that way,

okay?

You know, the same way, you know, Jamie, if you have anything that you want or

that you feel it's okay to talk about it,

you'll be the elephant in the room.

You okay?

Yeah, you look amazing.

Thank you.

You're very beautiful.

I can see why you have a crush on me.

So, is that everything that you could imagine?

Oh, yeah.

Definitely. Definitely what I imagined.

Do you want to talk to me about how it feels to see your mom naked like this?

I've actually seen her naked in the shower a couple times.

Oh, okay.

So you were peeking.

Is this like that?

This is better. This is better?

Okay.

Would you have been here right now, do you think, if you hadn't verbalized?

No. Probably not, right?

Okay.

Well, how does it feel? Like, are you anxious? Are you mad? Are you scared?

I'm more excited than anything.

More excited than anything?

What do you want to do in here?

Uh, no wrong answers.

There's no wrong answers.

No, not in therapy.

I just want to touch her more.

You just want to touch her more?

Okay. Well, let's check in with her about that and how she feels. She's not

a passive object.

She's a person, okay?

I'm okay.

I'm just hoping that this helps him get through all of the emotions and stuff

that he's been going through.

I also want you to practice more on verbalizing your stuff. I want him to be

able to model that behavior through you. So, like, if you have to say, like, you

know, oh, I like it when you touch my breath.

Not there, please.

You know, can you do this instead? I want to see you naked. You know,

that you want, I want you to verbalize your feelings as well, okay? So I want

you to practice, you know, regardless of what she's doing, but I do want you to

model regardless of what she's doing, okay? I want you both to take

responsibility and ownership of your own feelings and express them, okay?

Can you do that for me? Okay, let's practice that now.

Both of you.

Touch me.

That feels good.

Is there anything you want me to do?

Um, I mean, you can take some clothes off too.

I'd want... I would like it, and I want you to take some clothes off too.

Okay.

Strong definitive statement.

Want this.

Please do this.

You're just getting going there, aren't you, Billy?

You're getting undressed in the locker room.

You know what? Can I make a request?

Let's put your shirt back on.

I want you to take it off different.

I want you to do it nice.

Dr. Barber wants something, too.

Good.

Okay, let's do some eye contact. Maybe let's see some, like, slow pulling up

with the shirt. You have such a beautiful body, Billy. Let's give it the

deserves. Oh, that's nice.

Oh, that's nice.

You can pull it up slow like that. You can see your nipples through the fabric.

And that is quite a reveal. I feel like I'm seeing that chest for the first

time.

That's gorgeous.

Is that better?

I think that was better. I enjoyed that much more as a lady.

If you ask him to do it, he kind of just does it, you know?

Do you like the attention being paid to you and how you're doing things?

Yeah? Both ways, just like open communications, open communications.

Put your hand here.

Do you feel like, oh, my goodness, you're, like, in such good shape, both

you. Did you work out together?

No. No?

He goes to the gym with his friends or alone.

Look at that beautiful young body.

Muscles.

It's okay to fully explore him.

It looks to me, in my professional medical opinion, it appears that you're

to go, as it were.

We haven't really addressed this, have we?

No. No, not really.

Well, how would you verbalize what this part of you is feeling?

I kind of want my dick sucked.

Okay. Well, that's a very nice general statement to the universe.

Can you be specific?

Eye contact.

Specific. I'd like my mom to suck my dick.

Oh, honey.

I don't know.

It's okay. Say what you're thinking.

It's okay.

I don't know if I should do that.

Because I'm your mother.

That's a good reason.

Because I'm your mother.

Okay.

Well, really, how would you feel if I did it?

That's okay.

Yeah? The good conciliatory prize? Yeah. Okay.

You would do that?

Well, yeah.

Of course. Yeah.

I mean, it looks like it needs it.

Is it okay with you? Are you comfortable being here while I kind of like do this

and sort of like acclimate to the situation?

Yeah. Okay, because I really would like both of you to be more comfortable

opening up. And it's okay to take baby steps, you know, or to decide like

you know, taking baby steps. Maybe not for me.

Either way, okay?

Yeah. All right.

Are you a sitter downer blowjobber or are you a stander uper? I don't know.

Are you very lucky to me?

I love those.

You can sit down.

How much you want to be involved.

Or how much you want to do a case of them.

Somebody's ready to go.

Look at how the tip of it's blushing.

You didn't say that you needed your cock.

You didn't say that, didn't you?

What are we going to do?

I think I can make that happen.

Sam, would you like that?

Yeah. I would enjoy that, too.

I wonder if your mother isn't flying into a jealous rage and hunting their

in. Thank you.

Great techniques, Doc.

Do you do this often?

Is this like a normal routine in your therapy?

I mean, most people come into therapy because there are tense issues.

And if there's anything I've learned during my tenure, it's that humans are

sexual creatures.

So I don't like the word normal, but I wouldn't say it's uncommon.

I would say that it's regular.

Okay, I would say that it's common.

Regular and that it's common and it's normal.

Do you like this type of kissing in common at home?

No. No?

I know my mom is such a good kisser.

What a lovely thing to scatter.

Thank you.

You're doing a great job.

I'm loving how much you're vocalizing your thoughts and your desires.

That looks like very enthusiastic.

Yeah, it would be great if you got undressed. As much as I want to risk

my dress, maybe I'll just take it off.

Oh, yeah.

There you go. That's lovely.

I love this

kind of positive reinforcement and communication.

Was that okay?

Yeah, oh my god, that was really good.

Yeah.

Good morning.

Thank you, Mom.

That feels so fucking good.

I like the way you do that, Mom.

It feels wonderful on my... Use your vernacular.

Oh, Mom, that was so good. Oh, my God.

Isn't that perfect, Mom?

I'm going to watch all those barriers.

Just break down.

As well they should.

Beautiful woman.

Or that

way, that way is good too.

Fuck,

mom, that feels so fucking good.

Oh, you feel my cock.

Mom, don't you like it?

It's so hard.

It's so hard.

Can you tell me a little bit about why you decided to delete your son?

I just want to help out and make him feel better and get through this process

and just release all that anguish and all the anger goes away.

Maybe we'll have less problems at home and less problems at home. I don't think

I'm going to be as angry anymore.

I'm going to ask how that anger is just feeling.

Are you more at a one or are you more at a five? I'm at a one.

Yeah. Yeah.

It's easier not to be jealous. And it's easier not to be upset.

You're just getting what you need.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

I think I need one of you to sit on my cock.

Sorry? Yeah, I think I need one of you to sit on it.

One of you to sit on it.

Okay, can you be more specific?

Both. Oh, both.

Okay.

Well,

how do you feel about that?

I mean, we can try it.

Yeah? What do you think?

I'm here to facilitate communication.

I'm here to facilitate openness.

Do you want to take the lead or would you... I can do that.

Would you get him warmed up?

Let you ease into it. I'm totally down for letting you take more smaller steps.

And I would love to.

Personally.

It's very great.

Help me?

Thank you.

Right here.

There we go.

Oh, there we are.

How was that,

sweetheart? Oh, so good.

She has a beautiful body. Very beautiful therapist.

Yeah.

Yeah. Oh,

it's pretty hot.

So good.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Oh,

my gosh.

This is so hot.

Oh, shit.

Oh, fuck, yeah.

Yeah?

Oh. Oh,

my gosh.

She's a great therapist.

I'm so glad we found you. High five, though.

So here's the mention of maybe... Yeah.

There

we

go.

It's the first time that you two are doing this. Oh my gosh.

The experience has gone so fast.

Oh my gosh.

Are you sure this is okay?

Are you sure this is okay? Does it feel okay?

Is there anything you really want to do?

Oh my gosh.

Thank you.

She's okay.

Oh, so nice. She's so fucking tight, huh?

Yes, yes.

it's all you you're doing all the work

Somebody's been running with my pussy for a while.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There we go.

Oh, shit.

Yeah.

It's so beautiful to see how you two are connecting.

See how you're opening up and just really becoming in touch with your inner

emotions.

Oh, fuck.

Oh, she's so good.

Here we

go. Oh,

hey,

Mom. That is not a soft little foot.

Oh.

Yeah, just like that song.

Yeah,

yeah, yeah, just like that.

That's hot.

Yeah. Oh, fuck.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

Oh, fuck yeah, just like that, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Getting a helping hand from the movie.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I can feel it pulsing.

Oh, yeah.

Oh,

yeah.

I'll get in there.

Yes, baby.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, you fucking give it to me.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah,

yeah.

Is there more?

Maybe there's more.

Oh, wonderful.

Good job,

sweetheart. You feel better?

Yeah, I feel better.

Is that nice? I'm connecting right in mommy's face.

I love you. You did great there. Thank you. You did it.

So much work.

You were so open. I really appreciate it. I wish all of my clients were this

open. I really loved it. Thank you so much for choosing me to be with you on

this journey. So am I, Carrie.

Well, we'll see. What do you think about doing this once a week for check -in

and, you know?

Once a week?

Yeah.

Once a week.

Hour -long appointment.

Work through any other issues that might crop up.

In the meantime, maybe, Billy, see if you can reach out and connect with maybe

some other girls your own age from class or something, but also keep the lines

of communication with your mother open.

Can you do that for me? Yeah. Yeah?

Yeah. Sound good?

Yeah. Thank you, doctor.

Would you like a tissue?

Yeah.

That is great.