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The notion of building a career slowly,
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gradually, carefully
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is because people want it too fast. They
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want it immediately. They want to be on
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television. You know, there is a school
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of thought that you should take
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anything, any job that comes along, no
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matter what, take it. I've had a couple
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of agents down the line who had that
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philosophy. I didn't have that
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philosophy.
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I had a different philosophy, which is
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that I didn't want to do things that I
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felt I couldn't live with, and I didn't
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want to do things that I thought that's
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going to be on film forever and probably
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don't want to see that late at night.
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Um, so I turned down a lot of things as
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I was starting out and it caused
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relative amount of rumblings and
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earthquakes within my agents who were,
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you know, who the hell do you think you
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are? And,
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you know, they aren't my agents anymore.
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I live with no regrets and I sleep very
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well because I have a very, very clear
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conscience.
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He said that once. I think Dick Cavat
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asked her, "How do you sleep so well?"
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She said, "Good conscience.
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Um,
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every experience I've had
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personally, professionally,
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good, bad, ones I do again, ones I'd
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never do again,
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have gone into making me the man that I
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am, the actor that I am,
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and
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I can live with all of it. I made that
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choice. I did that thing. I said yes to
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that.
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I open that door.
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Live with it. Sometimes it's gut
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instinct. Sometimes it's also
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all right. If I do this thing and this
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thing offers me a chance to make certain
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amount of money that I could then put
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toward this thing that I really want to
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do, can I live with myself, you know, in
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the morning? I often make a joke that,
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you know, I I have to shave in the
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morning without wanting to slip my
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throat. So, I I can only do things that
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that I can look myself in the mirror in
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the morning and and say, "Well, all
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right. There is nothing wrong with
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making money choices.
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There's nothing wrong with wanting to be
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successful. There's nothing wrong with
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using something as a stepping stone.
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I'm always having this conversation
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with, you know, younger actors starting
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out saying, you know, should I move to
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New York? Should I move to Los Angeles?"
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And my argument is, you know, it's not a
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vast desert between Los Angeles and New
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York.
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There are extraordinary regional
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theaters across this country that would
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love to have someone like you where you
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could go and work and do three plays and
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then go somewhere else and do Chicago,
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Seattle, Miami, Washington DC,
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great Houston theater towns
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where you could spend three or four
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years building a body of work and
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building relationships with director and
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working.
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If you think long view, take the long
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view, not the short view, and say, not
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where do I want to be in six months, but
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where I want to be in six years or 10
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years, and start building toward that.
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And recognizing, by the way, that most
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actors that you really admire, it took
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them that long. And it really did. Henry
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Fonda was 31 when he did his first
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movie.
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Dustin Hoffman was 31 when he did The
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Graduate.
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Nicholson was 34 when he did Easy Rider.
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It's different for women. It's a harder
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business for women.
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They they have to sort of get in there
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pretty early because we have a
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youthoriented business, particularly in
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terms of the way women are treated.
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But most men that I admired really
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didn't make get their breaks until they
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were in their 30s. So it took me a while
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to
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realize that it was that my ship wasn't
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coming in as as early as some of my
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friends and classmates at Giuliard. I
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mean, who were becoming famous like
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that.
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And I was jealous and I was ambitious.
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And I didn't understand why my ship
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wasn't coming in. Except I thought,
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well, I just don't look like guys they
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cast in movies.
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And it took a while for me to be able to
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a adjust to that and realize that
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actually in a weird way, what was
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happening was I was being able to watch
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how fame
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affected those people before it ever
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happened to me.
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So I was actually in the end very
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grateful that
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mine was more of a slow burn because I
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learned a lot about fame and how I
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wanted to handle it if it happened to me
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because of observing other people.
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The question of doubting doubting
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oneself doubting one's talent doubting
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whether you're ready.
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um doubting whether you're right for a
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part,
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doubting whether you're figuring it out,
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doubting your director.
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And the funny thing is is that
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I don't think that ever goes away.
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I think it remains
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and I think it's important
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and I think it can be incredibly
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valuable.
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It's really interesting, you know,
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because when I started out,
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you know, there were like people that
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I'd hang out with, you know, and you you
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go out to a bar and you talk, you know,
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actors would talk and you get a little
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drunk and
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and it was very interesting that I I
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started to see a kind of pattern of
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there was a certain kind of person
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who was really energized
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and hopeful,
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believed in themselves and believed in
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the craft and loved it and talked about
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it in in really passionate ways that I
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found inspiring and moving and
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and I liked them as people.
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And I kind of found myself gravitating
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toward that kind of person because there
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was another kind of person too which was
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the bitter,
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angry,
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disappointed
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person that would quote statistics of
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how tough it was. You know, there so
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many actors in the Screen Actors Guild,
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there's so many actors in Actors Equity.
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And I found that
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that kind of attitude, that kind of
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doubt, I thought was really destructive.
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because it was destructive about
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the whole profession.
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It wasn't like being doubtful about a
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specific thing. And I felt
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really strongly that I never ever wanted
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to end up
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on a bar stool saying, "It should have
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been me.
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Should have been me."
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It's really important for I think
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someone starting out to recognize the
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difference between those kinds of
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personalities.
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You know, you can get sucked into that
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and not even realize that actually
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all that someone is giving is
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negativity.
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And I think the pursuit of being an
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actor, it's a noble one. It's a I think
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it's an important profession. I think it
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means something. People go to bars and
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people go to restaurants and people come
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to dinner and they sit around and they
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talk about the latest movie they saw or
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the book they read or the play they saw
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or the TV show. People get obsessed by
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characters and storytelling.
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You know, it's what we talk about.
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Doubt's part of it, but doubt doubt
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shouldn't overwhelm it.
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Because it's through doubt, I think that
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you can then start asking yourself
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questions about
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why do I feel that way? Why did I think
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I didn't achieve that thing I wanted to
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try to you? Whether it's something
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you're working on that day or you're
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looking back at a run of a play you did
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and you think, "Oh gosh." I mean we you
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know all have heard the great stories
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about you know the greats who
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6 months after the run of a play wake up
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in the middle of the night going ah
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that's how to play that moment.
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There's a great story about Olivier.
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He's at the old Vic. He's doing
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um I think he's doing a fellow.
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suddenly
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something started to happen on stage and
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act one actors were starting to gather
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at the wings to watch this extraordinary
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thing that was happening. His
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performance was just elevated to
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something
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incredibly unusual. People were getting
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on the phones backstage and telling
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their friends to race down to see the
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second act.
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And at the end of the evening, he took
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something like 14 curtain calls. I mean,
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it was thunderous.
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The audience would not let him leave the
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stage.
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And he walked through a line of his
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fellow actors applauding him as he went
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to the dressing room and slammed the
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door and locked the door.
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And for the next half an hour, people
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that tried to get into the room heard
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nothing but the sounds of lamps being
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thrown, glasses being broken, doors
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being slammed,
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tables being overturned.
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And I think about an hour and some time
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went by and finally everyone had left
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the theater but Vanessa Redgrave who was
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outside of his door. and he finally let
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her in the room and she said, "Larry,
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what's wrong?" It was the most
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extraordinary performance that any of us
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have ever seen.
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And he said, "I know.
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I know.
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I just have no idea how to do it again.
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And I have no idea how I did it."
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that the
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even in
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what he achieved, he was filled with
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doubt.
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And that can't be anything but
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frustrating
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but extremely valuable
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because it's the doubt that pushes us
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on,
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makes us want to be better.18591
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