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First of all, they're on your side
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on the other side of that table. No
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matter how,
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you know, cold or even to some degree
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rude they might be, they're on your side
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for a single reason.
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They have a problem they have to solve.
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They have to cast this damn thing.
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They've been sitting in this goddamn
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room day after day after day and no one
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has done it for them yet.
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They want you to be good. They want you
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to solve their problem because they'd
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all rather go to lunch and drink wine.
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There's no doubt that we walk into these
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rooms and there's usually a a table
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quite often. Sometimes there's four or
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five people behind that table. It could
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be, if it's a play, it could be a stage
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manager, producer, director, maybe a
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casting director, maybe two of them if
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they're partners. Um, and they're
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they're there.
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They've been auditioning, you know, for
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a couple of days and you're out in a
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hallway and there's a whole bunch of
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other actors that are either up for the
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same part you're up for or up for the
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brother or up for the sister or
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whatever. You know, they're all out
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there and everybody's there and you're
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thinking, "Oh,
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I'm not good. They don't want me. They
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don't want me. They want someone else.
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They want that guy."
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You know, and particularly if you go to
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auditions a lot, you see the same actors
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at the same auditions, you know, over
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and over.
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So, you know, all of the elements that
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we align ourselves before we walk
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through that door to cut ourselves off
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at the knees, before we even open our
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mouths, we do. There's a lot of that
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that goes on. We all do it. The thing
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that's hard to remember sometimes is
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that everybody behind that table,
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no matter who they are, no matter what
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position they might be in in the
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industry,
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they're just as ambitious as you are.
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They all want to be somewhere else in a
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year's time than where they are.
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He wants to be directing bigger things,
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better things. Stage manager wants to be
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directing. Person getting coffee wants
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to be the casting director. casting
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director wants to be a producer.
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Everybody wants to be somewhere else
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just like you do. So, you're actually on
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a much more level playing field than you
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might at first imagine.
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You know, sometimes it doesn't go well.
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I used to do this thing.
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My agent wasn't happy about it, but I
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used to do this thing. And sometimes it
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really worked where I would be in the
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middle of the audition. I'd have my
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sides and I'd be, you know, reading and
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it just it just wasn't going well. And I
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knew it wasn't going well. And so I
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would occasionally do this thing where I
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go, you know, whatever the lines were,
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blah blah blah blah
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blah blah blah.
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I'm sorry.
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Do you smell that? What?
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Oh, it's me. I stink. I'm sorry. Could I
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start again? Because that that was
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really not good at all. A and weirdly
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sometimes that would a get me another
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reading of it and b a director would
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then say you know actually try this or
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sometimes I would before I'd start the
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audition I would say something like um
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so I've read it and I think I get it and
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I have made a certain series of choices
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I may be really in the forest so if I am
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please feel free to lead me back to the
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road and what you're doing there is
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you're just opening yourself up to
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saying I can be directed. I don't think
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that every choice I've made here is the
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best choice in the world. I'm not
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entirely sure. And just by doing that,
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just by opening that up, you actually
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sometimes will get yourself another
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reading because the director will say,
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"That was interesting. I think I'd like
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to try it again and do it." And now
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you're in a conversation. You're in a
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dialogue. You're in an ability. Are we
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two people who can work together? Am I
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an actor who can take direction? Will I
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listen to what you say?
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So, um I'm in this office with some
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really cool office with uh all these
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gold records and [ __ ] all around. And
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I'm like this big shot record executive.
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It's like I can do anything I want. I
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mean, anything. I can call up musicians,
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hook up with girls. I mean, whatever it
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is I want to do, I can do. So, as I'm
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sitting there deciding what it is I
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want, I look over and Bob Marley walks
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in. Bob Marley. Now, my dad, he's been
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playing me Bob Marley records ever since
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I was like a fetus. So, I know that this
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is huge. And just as I'm deciding what
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it is I'm going to say to him, he starts
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um yelling at me and saying how I
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screwed him out of all this money in
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some record deal. And I'm trying to tell
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him like, "No, you know, like I did not
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do that. I'm not really even sure if
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this is my office. I am just sitting
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here, but I can't get it out. I cannot
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even talk. And he is coming closer and
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closer behind the desk to where I'm
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sitting until he is like right in front
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of me. And I'm really scared. But at the
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same time, I can't get over how cool it
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is that Bob Marley is actually talking
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to me. And in the back of my head, I
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know that he's dead. That just makes it
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that much cooler. So, just as I'm
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getting nervous that he's seriously
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going to [ __ ] me up, I uh I look down
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and I realize that I have a huge boner.
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And um that freaks me out cuz I know I
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should not get a boner in front of Bob
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Marley. And if he sees it, it's going to
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make him even matter. But you know what?
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It's just happening.
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There's nothing I can do about it.
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So, uh, he looks down
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and he sees my boner
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and then he sort of smiles,
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stops being mad like like he knows he is
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the wrong guy
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and then he turns around and walks out.
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And uh, when I woke up,
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I was wet.
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So, yeah, that was it.
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That was my first time. It was Bob
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Marley, [ __ ]
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Thank you.
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Sit down.
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Yes.
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Uh, it's very interesting because as you
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were doing the comedy piece, uh, I was
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thinking to myself, how interesting
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would this be if you did it seriously?
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Okay.
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Meaning absolutely flip it on its ear.
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And so instead of it being because it's
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very interesting you you fall into a lot
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of traps when you do a comedy piece. I
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don't know you. We've just met. But I
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can tell you have a rhythm. You have a
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you like the lines go down. on you. You
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know, there's a certain kind of comedic
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thing that you do and it's interesting
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for a while and then it runs out of
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steam and then it's like it's only about
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the rhythm and your your comedic ability
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and not about the person you're playing
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or what he's saying or the character or
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what he's going through. It's now about
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comedy, which is why you call it the
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funny piece. It's the way you think of
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it. So, what I want to do is get the
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mask. Where's a mask? Give me that one.
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Yeah, that's a good one. Let's take this
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mask.
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I want you to start again. And this
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time, I want you to stop
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doing things rhythmically. I want you to
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actually like find a word,
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not be able to find a word,
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searching for how to tell this story. It
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isn't coming easily off your tongue.
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It's the most difficult thing you've
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ever had to explain to anyone.
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So, even words like cool,
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maybe you didn't know you were going to
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say that word.
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Maybe that's the only [ __ ] word you
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could come up with because you don't
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know how to describe this office.
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Try it again.
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So,
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I'm in this office
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this really
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cool office
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with all these um
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gold records and [ __ ] all around.
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I'm a big shot record executive.
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It's like I can do anything I want.
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I mean, anything.
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I can call up musicians, hook up with
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girls, whatever it is I want to do, I
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can do.
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As I'm sitting there deciding what it is
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I want,
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I look over and
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Bob Marley walks in.
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Bob Marley.
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Dad's been playing me Bob Marley records
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ever since I was like a baby. So, I know
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that this is huge. Just as I'm deciding
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what it is I'm going to say to him, he
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starts yelling at me, saying I screwed
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him out of all this money and some
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record deal, and I'm trying to tell him
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no.
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Great. Thank you. Thank you very much.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Um,
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when a director gives you a direction in
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an audition,
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sometimes they're giving you the
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direction specifically to see whether
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you take direction. You did not take my
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direction either times I gave it to you.
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You went right back to doing exactly
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what you've been doing with or without
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the mask on. A director gives you
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direction for a reason. They want you to
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change the what you're doing. They want
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you to fundamentally go at it a
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different way. No one will give you
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direction that's from A to B.
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There's no distance. We can't tell. They
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want you to go from A to M
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because then we can [ __ ] tell. Wow,
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that actor really took that direction.
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And sometimes I'll go through scripts
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and really put a line through where I
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think something shifts in the scene. And
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there could be in one scene there could
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be six lines through where I think
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something happens here.
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a discovery,
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a piece of information,
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a lie is told, something
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moves the scene in a different direction
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from this point on
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and then from this point on, and you're
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constantly trying to find where those
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equators
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exist. There are some quite obvious
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clues that very often actors don't look
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at.
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The first one is the page number.
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Usually, if you're given sides to a film
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or a play, but certainly a film or
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television, there will be page numbers.
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The page numbers are a clue. If someone
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gives you a sides and it's page 4
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through 8, it's very early in the
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telling of the story.
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If someone gives you some another scene
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and it's page 69 through 75,
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that's that's more than halfway through
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the script.
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So, you have to just sort of think about
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what does that mean in terms of the
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information I'm getting from what the
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characters are saying to each other. And
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maybe it's the same characters in two
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different scenes. Maybe it's obviously
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the character you're auditioning for and
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a different character in both scenes. So
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you have to try to figure out who those
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characters are. And the other thing
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that's often not looked at is sometimes
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you'll get sides and on the top they've
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crossed out the scene that happens
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before because you're just doing the
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scene that's underneath. Read that scene
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above.
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Study that scene above because it might
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be full of clues.
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Not just about the scene you're about to
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do, but about the whole film, the
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television show, whatever it is. Read
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that scene. If there's anything crossed
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out, study that, too, because that's
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full of clues.
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If the only time you work at your craft,
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this craft that you have dedicated your
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life to,
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but more often than not are focused on
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your career
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and stage managing that instead of
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working on your craft. If the only time
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you're working on your craft is when you
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have an audition and as we all know you
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generally don't really get your audition
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until like the couple of days before and
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then you might not even get anything but
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sides and you might not even get sides
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until the day. And so how much
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preparation can you really be doing on
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your craft even for your auditions? And
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the answer is you walk into an audition
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and you're pretty [ __ ] unpolished,
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ungreased,
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unprepared.
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So, do you think that the only time that
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Andy Murray works on his tennis game is
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when he has a match?
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No.
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He practices. He practices. He
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challenges. Too many actors think that
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they're so talented and that they have
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so much innate ability that they can
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just wing it.
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How many of Yeah.
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H how many of us have left auditions and
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had what I like to call the elevator
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conversation with yourself? [ __ ] Should
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have [ __ ]
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should have said this. I should have
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prepared more. I should have worked on
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it more. I should have. I should have. I
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should have. Well,
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these are choices.
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And so if the choice is
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I'm going to at least try to see a play
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once a month. I'm at least going to try
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to go read a play that I heard about.
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I'm at least going to go to the public
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library and read a great classic play
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that I've never read. I'm at least gonna
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go on Netflix and [ __ ] watch an
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extraordinary Spencer Tracy movie or
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Henry Fonda movie or
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House of Cards. What
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um at least I'm going to engage
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in the craft
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so that my muscles don't become
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atrophied.
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Because when we do that, when we allow
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ourselves to only work at our craft when
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we might have an audition, then at the
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end of the month, you might say to
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yourself, did I get any of those jobs? H
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I didn't get those two jobs that I had,
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which was the only two times that I
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worked on my craft in the whole month.
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Maybe there's a reason I didn't get
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those jobs. Maybe I wasn't able to walk
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into that room and own that room.
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my one of my worst auditions
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and this, you know, will give you a
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sense of my level even when I was
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starting out, uh, of not giving a [ __ ]
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Um, because I went in for an audition
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for a commercial, for a FedEx
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commercial, right? And so the whole idea
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of the commercial was that a guy was
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walking up the steps of the post office
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in Washington DC, which I think is like
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uh 50 or steps or 75 steps. It's a long
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way to get up to the post office to mail
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a package. And halfway through he
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decides it's easier to send it FedEx. So
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that's the whole premise of the
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commercial. So, I go into this casting
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director who was very, very, very
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important, very, very well-known, very,
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very wellrespected casting director in
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New York City who I had never met
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before.
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So, so I go in, my agents get me this
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audition. They're so excited that I have
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this audition because this is like a
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serious, this is like not just one ad,
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it's like the guy for a series of ads
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they're going to do. So, I do the
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reading, whatever it is. I can't
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remember the dialogue in it, but I I do
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the reading and the woman, she's looking
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at me and she goes,
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"I just don't think you're nebulous
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enough."
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And I said, "Nebulous?
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I I don't think that's the what you
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mean." She said, "Excuse me?"
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I said, "No, I think nebulous is a
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cloudlike airy substance, but maybe you
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mean nebish, like a Woody Allen type.
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And she stared at me for a really long
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time and said, "No, I mean nebulous."
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And I said, "Well, you don't know what
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that word means then."
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So anyway, I remember uh my agent
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calling me later and saying, "What the
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[ __ ] did you do?"
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So I didn't get that job, oddly enough.29815
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