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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,850 Few things are as emotional as nicotine. 4 00:00:15,470 --> 00:00:18,590 In the four years since our last movie about smoking, 5 00:00:18,590 --> 00:00:21,610 things have gotten even more serious. 6 00:00:21,610 --> 00:00:23,460 As new technologies advance 7 00:00:23,460 --> 00:00:26,030 some countries see fewer people smoking, 8 00:00:26,030 --> 00:00:30,220 but now find teens using nicotine in new ways. 9 00:00:30,220 --> 00:00:31,780 Panic has ensued. 10 00:00:31,780 --> 00:00:34,580 - As of today we're declaring a war on vaping. 11 00:00:34,580 --> 00:00:36,660 One teen in Vancouver had a disease 12 00:00:36,660 --> 00:00:38,070 that affected his brain. 13 00:00:38,070 --> 00:00:41,010 He was rushed to the hospital when he passed out. 14 00:00:41,010 --> 00:00:43,350 They sent him home without a brain scan, 15 00:00:43,350 --> 00:00:46,580 because it was suspected he used nicotine. 16 00:00:46,580 --> 00:00:49,620 He died the next day from a disease related stroke. 17 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,170 The autopsy showed no nicotine in his system. 18 00:00:55,180 --> 00:00:57,300 While they reported vaping deaths were blamed 19 00:00:57,300 --> 00:00:59,020 on nicotine for months. 20 00:00:59,020 --> 00:01:02,020 People continued to buy tainted marijuana cartridges 21 00:01:02,020 --> 00:01:03,730 and kept dying. 22 00:01:03,730 --> 00:01:06,740 Some law enforcement agencies even began prosecuting 23 00:01:06,740 --> 00:01:09,250 young people for nicotine possession. 24 00:01:09,250 --> 00:01:11,000 - Prosecuted criminally. 25 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,370 - Many people who used nicotine vapor technology 26 00:01:13,370 --> 00:01:16,520 to quit, switched back to cigarettes. 27 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:17,960 People need answers. 28 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,440 I used to think I knew nicotine. 29 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,370 Ever since my friend died years ago from lung cancer 30 00:01:24,370 --> 00:01:27,040 after a lifetime of smoking cigarettes, 31 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,100 I dedicated a large chunk of my life 32 00:01:29,100 --> 00:01:31,510 to helping reduce smoking related death and disease 33 00:01:31,510 --> 00:01:32,540 around the world. 34 00:01:32,540 --> 00:01:33,710 I tried to ban smoking 35 00:01:33,710 --> 00:01:36,100 at the 100 bed medical facility I ran, 36 00:01:36,100 --> 00:01:39,340 despite protests from the residents and staff. 37 00:01:39,340 --> 00:01:40,840 I made a movie drawing attention 38 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,300 to the projected 1 billion lives that will be affected 39 00:01:43,300 --> 00:01:45,280 by smoking this century. 40 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,330 Because of this, I was invited to the board 41 00:01:47,330 --> 00:01:49,970 of the National Tobacco Reform Initiative 42 00:01:49,970 --> 00:01:51,740 with current or retired leaders 43 00:01:51,740 --> 00:01:55,860 of the American Cancer Society, Truth Initiative, Harvard, 44 00:01:55,860 --> 00:01:59,680 American Heart Association and other anti-smoking groups. 45 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,330 I investigated smoking trends in 13 countries 46 00:02:02,330 --> 00:02:05,480 for a series with the foundation for a smoke-free world. 47 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,910 Many of our Kickstarter backers lost loved ones to smoking. 48 00:02:08,910 --> 00:02:11,470 The stories are heartbreaking. 49 00:02:11,470 --> 00:02:13,810 Sadly, against our best efforts, 50 00:02:13,810 --> 00:02:16,670 smoking cigarettes is on the rise worldwide. 51 00:02:16,670 --> 00:02:19,440 The main reason is nicotine. 52 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,150 In addition, new nicotine products are gaining traction 53 00:02:22,150 --> 00:02:23,470 in developed countries. 54 00:02:24,510 --> 00:02:26,950 As we began this project a massive wave 55 00:02:26,950 --> 00:02:30,730 of nicotine headlines swept across many parts of the world. 56 00:02:30,730 --> 00:02:32,420 The headlines were alarming, 57 00:02:32,420 --> 00:02:34,250 so we went on the hunt for truth. 58 00:02:37,860 --> 00:02:39,400 What we found shocked us. 59 00:02:40,380 --> 00:02:44,290 At first, we were angry, then we were sad. 60 00:02:44,290 --> 00:02:46,790 The truth became unbelievable. 61 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:01,970 We had this unsettling feeling 62 00:03:01,970 --> 00:03:04,160 that there was something deeper here. 63 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,110 We wanted to know nicotine. 64 00:03:08,260 --> 00:03:10,900 What were the dangers of it outside of cigarettes, 65 00:03:10,900 --> 00:03:13,220 and why do so many people want to use it? 66 00:03:14,060 --> 00:03:16,880 We know why people use other drugs like caffeine, 67 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,290 alcohol, and opioids. 68 00:03:20,510 --> 00:03:24,040 Nicotine was named after the French explorer Jean Nicot 69 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,270 in the 1500s after he began promoting nicotine 70 00:03:27,270 --> 00:03:29,640 for its claimed medicinal properties. 71 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:32,290 So we went to France to the home region 72 00:03:32,290 --> 00:03:34,730 of a nicotine expert we met years ago 73 00:03:34,730 --> 00:03:36,690 while learning why people smoke. 74 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,130 Let's start at the beginning. 75 00:03:47,130 --> 00:03:50,280 - Nicotine is a long story. 76 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:55,280 Most of my career which is basically only on nicotine. 77 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,280 I started with my PhD thesis, 78 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,920 and I've been working in nicotine since. 79 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:07,400 It's been with humans for more than 8,000 years. 80 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:12,720 I mean, it's was used by shaman in South America 81 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,720 and in North America as well. 82 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:17,880 - Jacques told us that tobacco 83 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,670 was the first plant discovered that produce nicotine. 84 00:04:20,670 --> 00:04:21,810 By the mid 1800s, 85 00:04:21,810 --> 00:04:23,260 most people simply smoked it 86 00:04:23,260 --> 00:04:24,670 through pipes or cigars. 87 00:04:24,670 --> 00:04:26,600 That is until 1880, 88 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,030 when the cigarette rolling machine was invented. 89 00:04:29,030 --> 00:04:31,780 Trillions of cigarettes would be mass produced. 90 00:04:31,780 --> 00:04:33,150 In 1962, 91 00:04:33,150 --> 00:04:35,820 the world's most prestigious medical research group, 92 00:04:35,820 --> 00:04:37,430 the Royal College of Physicians 93 00:04:37,430 --> 00:04:41,290 issued an alarming report claiming that smoking was harmful. 94 00:04:41,290 --> 00:04:43,930 Initially, the report was met with a hostile reaction 95 00:04:43,930 --> 00:04:46,020 from governments, cigarette companies, 96 00:04:46,020 --> 00:04:47,550 the media, and society. 97 00:04:47,550 --> 00:04:50,560 Two years later, the US Surgeon General join the British 98 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:51,930 in sounding the alarm. 99 00:04:51,930 --> 00:04:53,450 Once the public finally believed 100 00:04:53,450 --> 00:04:55,630 that cigarettes cause death and disease, 101 00:04:55,630 --> 00:04:57,850 a fierce war against smoking began. 102 00:04:57,850 --> 00:05:00,010 The campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids started 103 00:05:00,010 --> 00:05:02,210 with a grant from the pharmaceutical industry 104 00:05:02,210 --> 00:05:03,650 and rapidly expanded 105 00:05:03,650 --> 00:05:06,310 once their leader successfully negotiated truce 106 00:05:06,310 --> 00:05:07,960 with Big Tobacco. 107 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:09,940 To date, US states have received nearly 108 00:05:09,940 --> 00:05:12,010 a quarter trillion dollars in payments 109 00:05:12,010 --> 00:05:14,480 from the cigarette industry that were tied directly 110 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:15,540 to cigarette sales. 111 00:05:15,540 --> 00:05:17,730 Michael Bloomberg gave a billion dollars 112 00:05:17,730 --> 00:05:20,170 to fund anti-smoking groups around the world. 113 00:05:20,170 --> 00:05:22,620 Smoking would never be the same. 114 00:05:22,620 --> 00:05:27,620 - For more than 30 years in every anti-tobacco campaign, 115 00:05:27,690 --> 00:05:30,220 because we want people to quit smoking, 116 00:05:31,140 --> 00:05:34,430 nicotine was the culprit instead of smoke. 117 00:05:34,430 --> 00:05:37,880 - Just try one if you don't like it, it's easy to give up. 118 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,230 - Oh-oh Nick O'Teen I better move fast. 119 00:05:41,060 --> 00:05:42,480 - Kids know far too much. 120 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:43,840 - You no good windbag nicotine. 121 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:45,590 - No, no, superman. 122 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:48,520 - Thanks. 123 00:05:51,900 --> 00:05:56,740 - So every smoker has fear against nicotine, 124 00:05:56,740 --> 00:06:00,340 'cause nicotine is seen as the devil. 125 00:06:00,340 --> 00:06:03,210 - I always thought nicotine was a toxic chemical invented 126 00:06:03,210 --> 00:06:05,440 and added by the big cigarette companies 127 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,000 to get people hooked on cigarettes. 128 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,670 During a research for this movie, 129 00:06:09,670 --> 00:06:12,880 I learned that nicotine is produced by a variety of plants, 130 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,850 for example, tomatoes, potatoes, eggplants, 131 00:06:15,850 --> 00:06:17,030 and bell peppers. 132 00:06:17,030 --> 00:06:18,670 It was an interesting conversation 133 00:06:18,670 --> 00:06:20,600 when I had to tell my wife, Jenny, 134 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,520 that we were growing nicotine in the garden, 135 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,730 and serving it to our kids. 136 00:06:25,730 --> 00:06:27,140 After talking with Jacques, 137 00:06:27,140 --> 00:06:30,420 we visited tobacco seed farm to learn from their experts. 138 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,510 - All the seed bags are sealed and classified by order. 139 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:37,360 Okay. 140 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,260 - Everything has a coding number, 141 00:06:39,260 --> 00:06:42,520 and I don't know if you've ever seen tobacco seeds, 142 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,590 naked tobacco seeds, - No, I've never seen. 143 00:06:44,590 --> 00:06:46,820 - But it's very very small, 144 00:06:46,820 --> 00:06:49,110 very tiny seeds. - Oh, those are very small. 145 00:06:49,110 --> 00:06:52,630 - Here it's our greenhouse. 146 00:06:52,630 --> 00:06:57,630 First we are growing the plantlets for artificial test 147 00:06:59,170 --> 00:07:04,170 for pathology that you've seen in other little greenhouses. 148 00:07:05,380 --> 00:07:08,430 We will look for some flowers, 149 00:07:08,430 --> 00:07:13,180 so here you see the seeds come from here. 150 00:07:13,180 --> 00:07:14,010 - Oh wow. 151 00:07:14,010 --> 00:07:17,680 - So here's the seeds, they are maturated seeds 152 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,320 ready to be harvested. - Oh yeah. 153 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:21,480 A lot of people don't understand 154 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,390 why does the plant make nicotine. 155 00:07:23,390 --> 00:07:26,490 Do you know, is nicotine have a purpose in the plant? 156 00:07:26,490 --> 00:07:29,610 - Nicotine is used as an insecticides, 157 00:07:29,610 --> 00:07:31,610 and it's the same in tobacco. 158 00:07:31,610 --> 00:07:34,690 It's a way of defending itself. 159 00:07:34,690 --> 00:07:38,650 So nicotine is produced by the root system, 160 00:07:38,650 --> 00:07:42,710 and each time that the plant is stressed 161 00:07:42,710 --> 00:07:44,870 by the weather condition, 162 00:07:44,870 --> 00:07:48,680 by an attack of disease, 163 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:53,470 or for example cutting the flowers as we saw 164 00:07:53,470 --> 00:07:54,410 in the fields, 165 00:07:54,410 --> 00:07:56,610 it stresses the plants, 166 00:07:56,610 --> 00:08:00,950 and the roots start to create more nicotine. 167 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,360 There is also a difference between varieties, 168 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,500 for example, we breed varieties 169 00:08:06,500 --> 00:08:10,570 for low nicotine amounts for shisha, 170 00:08:10,570 --> 00:08:13,690 that we breed also nicotine for plants 171 00:08:13,690 --> 00:08:18,690 for high nicotine levels for E liquids or Snus. 172 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,420 After we learned about the plants, 173 00:08:23,420 --> 00:08:26,530 we wanted to see a farm where these seeds were grown. 174 00:08:26,530 --> 00:08:29,800 I pictured a giant tobacco operation with armed guards 175 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,080 and hidden secrets. 176 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,580 I was a bit nervous. 177 00:08:33,580 --> 00:08:36,230 However, once we arrived at the 300 year old village 178 00:08:36,230 --> 00:08:37,630 and met the family, 179 00:08:37,630 --> 00:08:39,390 I immediately felt at ease. 180 00:08:40,420 --> 00:08:42,880 The oldest daughter was taking over the family farm 181 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,040 and offered to give me a tour. 182 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,960 This wasn't what I expected at all. 183 00:08:48,110 --> 00:08:52,380 - Here it is a very little- - Your babies. 184 00:08:52,380 --> 00:08:54,250 - It is very little babies. 185 00:08:54,250 --> 00:08:57,540 One day old, two days old. 186 00:08:57,540 --> 00:09:00,750 - Oh, really new, oh. 187 00:09:27,180 --> 00:09:29,120 As someone who spent part of my summers working 188 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:30,640 on grandpa's farm, 189 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,070 it was easy to get caught up in the beauty. 190 00:09:33,070 --> 00:09:35,520 This felt very natural. 191 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,010 However, it was sobering to remember 192 00:09:37,010 --> 00:09:39,700 that the main way people get nicotine 193 00:09:39,700 --> 00:09:43,210 is by burning tobacco plants and cigarettes. 194 00:09:43,210 --> 00:09:45,990 I was reminded of my friend who smoked until he died 195 00:09:45,990 --> 00:09:47,540 from lung cancer. 196 00:09:47,540 --> 00:09:49,020 This is serious. 197 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,270 A midsize company nearby that processes these plants 198 00:09:54,270 --> 00:09:56,550 into nicotine for vapor liquids, 199 00:09:56,550 --> 00:09:58,750 offered to show us how they create new kinds 200 00:09:58,750 --> 00:09:59,950 of nicotine products. 201 00:09:59,950 --> 00:10:02,600 The kind you see in the headlines every week. 202 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,310 We wanted to see this process for ourselves. 203 00:10:07,610 --> 00:10:12,250 - So welcome to our process of production of nicotine. 204 00:10:12,250 --> 00:10:14,770 We have a French tobacco from Dordogne. 205 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,130 Their lead scientist explained 206 00:10:18,130 --> 00:10:20,270 that once the leaves from the farm we visited 207 00:10:20,270 --> 00:10:21,800 are dried and burnt, 208 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,430 they get boxed and shipped to the processing center 209 00:10:24,430 --> 00:10:27,550 where their ground up, mashed, and steamed 210 00:10:27,550 --> 00:10:29,310 in these large machines. 211 00:10:33,300 --> 00:10:35,770 What's left is the condensed nicotine water 212 00:10:35,770 --> 00:10:39,500 that runs through the pipes to the next area after cooling. 213 00:10:45,230 --> 00:10:48,030 - Aaron, you have seen the extraction process. 214 00:10:48,030 --> 00:10:51,460 Now, I will show you her purification process. 215 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,040 In the purification lab, 216 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,230 he explained to me how they bind another molecule 217 00:10:56,230 --> 00:10:59,270 to the nicotine water so it can be filtered. 218 00:10:59,270 --> 00:11:01,840 Then it travels through a complex system of pipes 219 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,830 and glass vessels as they extract the pure nicotine. 220 00:11:07,310 --> 00:11:09,080 This liquid form of nicotine is similar 221 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,660 to what's used in nicotine patches, gums, 222 00:11:11,660 --> 00:11:14,220 and in recent years, vapor liquid. 223 00:11:15,190 --> 00:11:16,820 Now we were getting somewhere. 224 00:11:32,330 --> 00:11:34,480 In a nearby area they were testing their liquids 225 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,050 for government compliance with all the people in white coats 226 00:11:38,050 --> 00:11:39,860 and their high-tech lab equipment. 227 00:11:39,860 --> 00:11:42,310 This felt very different from the farms. 228 00:11:49,130 --> 00:11:51,420 When I first heard about nicotine vapor technology 229 00:11:51,420 --> 00:11:52,480 five years ago, 230 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,960 I saw a ton of posts about anti-freeze, 231 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:59,010 toxic metals, cancer causing chemicals and more. 232 00:11:59,010 --> 00:12:00,520 Kind of scary. 233 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,470 Most of the public still has no idea 234 00:12:02,470 --> 00:12:03,750 what's in the vapor liquids 235 00:12:03,750 --> 00:12:06,870 50 million people are using worldwide. 236 00:12:06,870 --> 00:12:09,450 This was the chance to find out firsthand. 237 00:12:09,450 --> 00:12:11,620 While inspecting the production process, 238 00:12:11,620 --> 00:12:14,200 they showed us how they add varying strengths of nicotine 239 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,170 into a blend of pharmaceutical grade propylene glycol 240 00:12:17,170 --> 00:12:19,790 and vegetable glycerin that allows the nicotine 241 00:12:19,790 --> 00:12:21,950 to be heated into a vapor. 242 00:12:21,950 --> 00:12:25,100 They also add flavoring because the base liquid has little 243 00:12:25,100 --> 00:12:26,910 or no taste. 244 00:12:26,910 --> 00:12:28,970 At the same time we were in France, 245 00:12:28,970 --> 00:12:30,780 new campaigns were launching in the US 246 00:12:30,780 --> 00:12:34,560 to respond to the growing use of nicotine by young people. 247 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,450 We wanted to learn about this new crisis 248 00:13:02,450 --> 00:13:04,550 from the people on the front lines. 249 00:13:04,550 --> 00:13:05,950 It was time to head home. 250 00:13:07,020 --> 00:13:09,430 - Ever since we were really young, 251 00:13:09,430 --> 00:13:12,040 our parents have always told us that smoking 252 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,520 and tobacco is really bad for your body. 253 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:15,730 And both of us have asthma, 254 00:13:15,730 --> 00:13:18,970 so we know how scary it is when you can't breathe, 255 00:13:18,970 --> 00:13:20,930 but in the past few years we've noticed 256 00:13:20,930 --> 00:13:24,070 that smoking isn't the problem, it's vaping. 257 00:13:24,070 --> 00:13:26,860 Kids in our high school are vaping in the bathrooms 258 00:13:26,860 --> 00:13:29,230 and some are even vaping in class. 259 00:13:29,230 --> 00:13:32,030 - I actually had a teacher that would let us vape 260 00:13:32,030 --> 00:13:33,020 in the classroom. 261 00:13:33,020 --> 00:13:35,120 He would act like he didn't see it. 262 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:36,450 And there's been times where security guards 263 00:13:36,450 --> 00:13:37,720 just act like they don't see it. 264 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,990 - One day when we were walking in the mall we saw, 265 00:13:42,030 --> 00:13:44,400 but a group of teens just vaping 266 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,850 exhaling this huge cloud of smoke. 267 00:13:46,850 --> 00:13:48,270 And we didn't know about it at first, 268 00:13:48,270 --> 00:13:50,010 so we did our research and we found out 269 00:13:50,010 --> 00:13:53,620 it was what kind of things are- 270 00:13:53,620 --> 00:13:54,450 - Chemicals they use- 271 00:13:54,450 --> 00:13:56,200 - Were kind of chemicals it releases into your body 272 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:57,650 and not just themselves but to others. 273 00:13:57,650 --> 00:14:00,890 - After seeing how much vaping how big a problem was, 274 00:14:00,890 --> 00:14:02,240 we started researching it 275 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,930 for the 2019 Student NPR Pockets challenge, 276 00:14:04,930 --> 00:14:06,830 and no one knew the consequences, 277 00:14:06,830 --> 00:14:08,260 and that's how we started our journey 278 00:14:08,260 --> 00:14:10,820 to spread awareness and educate others 279 00:14:10,820 --> 00:14:12,280 on the harmful effects of vaping. 280 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,460 - What do you know about vaping? 281 00:14:14,460 --> 00:14:15,610 - That it's very addictive 282 00:14:15,610 --> 00:14:17,790 and a lot of teens do it these days. 283 00:14:17,790 --> 00:14:20,310 - I know about it that it was made 284 00:14:20,310 --> 00:14:22,420 to help people stop smoking, 285 00:14:22,420 --> 00:14:27,420 but then when they like if people just kept on using it 286 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,920 as kind of a substitute, 287 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,720 and then it became equally like kind of equally as bad. 288 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,730 - People probably stop smoking 289 00:14:35,730 --> 00:14:39,570 to go to the vaping 'cause maybe they thought 290 00:14:39,570 --> 00:14:41,650 that it wasn't that maybe, 291 00:14:41,650 --> 00:14:43,500 'cause you get really addicted to it. 292 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,660 - But it's actually the same. 293 00:14:46,660 --> 00:14:48,930 - Do any of you know anything about nicotine 294 00:14:48,930 --> 00:14:49,760 that you could tell me? 295 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,390 - Really addictive, 296 00:14:51,390 --> 00:14:55,240 and I feel like you think that people do it, 297 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,670 because you think you're not gonna get addicted to it, 298 00:14:57,670 --> 00:15:00,470 and then you end up getting addicted to it. 299 00:15:00,470 --> 00:15:02,580 - And you also think nothing bad will happen. 300 00:15:02,580 --> 00:15:03,410 - Yeah, and then- 301 00:15:03,410 --> 00:15:05,900 - But then bad stuff does happen. 302 00:15:05,900 --> 00:15:07,750 As the dad of a teenager, 303 00:15:07,750 --> 00:15:09,230 I naturally get alarmed hearing 304 00:15:09,230 --> 00:15:11,890 about bad things happening to kids. 305 00:15:11,890 --> 00:15:14,610 We headed east to spend time with a group of concerned moms 306 00:15:14,610 --> 00:15:17,820 that were banding together to protect their children. 307 00:15:17,820 --> 00:15:21,940 - He thought it kind of helped with some anxiety. 308 00:15:21,940 --> 00:15:24,760 It was making everything just a little bit worse, 309 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,850 and he got caught in school Juuling. 310 00:15:27,850 --> 00:15:31,130 He lost his captainship and was suspended his senior year. 311 00:15:31,130 --> 00:15:35,640 And I think it was then that everything kind of came 312 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,010 to our head so to speak, 313 00:15:37,010 --> 00:15:40,340 and that we determined that there was a problem, 314 00:15:40,340 --> 00:15:43,080 and then having other parents reach out, 315 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,100 saying that they feel kind of in the same boat, 316 00:15:46,100 --> 00:15:48,000 they don't know what to do, 317 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,830 or how to get their child help. 318 00:15:50,830 --> 00:15:53,330 - Teens are already dealing with so much 319 00:15:53,330 --> 00:15:58,330 that to then add this addictive element. 320 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,610 Nicotine is a game changer. 321 00:16:00,610 --> 00:16:03,830 It's been a game changer for this epidemic. 322 00:16:03,830 --> 00:16:05,800 It was a game changer, 323 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,940 when they launched cigarettes, camel launched, 324 00:16:07,940 --> 00:16:10,510 and then it was a game changer when menthol was introduced 325 00:16:10,510 --> 00:16:15,510 and this 100% re-introducing nicotine to kids, game changer. 326 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,420 I mean, that there's no other way really to put it. 327 00:16:19,420 --> 00:16:21,470 I found a great group of people 328 00:16:21,470 --> 00:16:26,270 who are equally passionate about doing the right thing 329 00:16:26,270 --> 00:16:29,350 for our kids, and getting nicotine out of the hands of them. 330 00:16:29,350 --> 00:16:31,820 After seeing Caleb's experience with e-cigarettes, 331 00:16:31,820 --> 00:16:34,090 his mother Meredith Berkman co-founded 332 00:16:34,090 --> 00:16:37,380 Parents Against Vaping E-cigarettes, or PAVe. 333 00:16:37,380 --> 00:16:39,010 - We're an army of parents, 334 00:16:39,010 --> 00:16:41,700 and if I refer to myself as a mom of a kid, 335 00:16:41,700 --> 00:16:44,300 we're an army of motivated mom for kids 336 00:16:44,300 --> 00:16:47,860 who are not going to allow our kids 337 00:16:47,860 --> 00:16:50,010 to become a generation of nicotine addicts. 338 00:16:51,030 --> 00:16:53,600 - Emotions were running high all over the country, 339 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:57,000 social media was full of nasty arguments and half truths, 340 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,320 both for and against nicotine, 341 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,060 both sides were attacking us. 342 00:17:03,380 --> 00:17:05,810 To gain deeper understanding of the issue, 343 00:17:05,810 --> 00:17:08,390 we met the grandfather of nicotine science, 344 00:17:08,390 --> 00:17:09,900 Dr. Neal Benowitz. 345 00:17:11,510 --> 00:17:15,740 - Clearly, there is a huge upswing 346 00:17:15,740 --> 00:17:17,280 in e-cigarette use among youth. 347 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,070 Some people say that in some schools 30% of kids 348 00:17:20,070 --> 00:17:21,850 have used e-cigarettes in the last month. 349 00:17:21,850 --> 00:17:25,580 They're finding pods all over the parking lots 350 00:17:25,580 --> 00:17:26,980 in the high schools, 351 00:17:26,980 --> 00:17:28,660 so there's no question 352 00:17:28,660 --> 00:17:31,730 that e-cigarettes are being widely used. 353 00:17:31,730 --> 00:17:34,160 We also know that some people are using it all day long 354 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:35,360 even in school, 355 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:38,050 and that is a huge concern. 356 00:17:38,050 --> 00:17:41,600 What we don't know is whether this is a fad, 357 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,360 or this is the beginning 358 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:45,650 of what's called primary nicotine addiction 359 00:17:45,650 --> 00:17:47,850 which is not addiction to cigarettes, 360 00:17:47,850 --> 00:17:50,660 but sort of addiction to nicotine per se. 361 00:17:50,660 --> 00:17:53,300 If that's the case that would be pretty new 362 00:17:53,300 --> 00:17:55,320 because there's never been an addiction 363 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,360 to nicotine without tobacco in the past. 364 00:17:59,740 --> 00:18:02,390 Sweden has been fighting a teen nicotine crisis 365 00:18:02,390 --> 00:18:04,470 for more than 50 years. 366 00:18:04,470 --> 00:18:06,870 Almost one out of five young Swedish men 367 00:18:06,870 --> 00:18:09,240 use an oral tobacco product called Snus. 368 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,690 We went to Sweden to learn more 369 00:18:13,690 --> 00:18:15,240 and meet another great pioneer 370 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,680 in the field, Dr. Karl Faegerstrom. 371 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,800 He's famous for his groundbreaking nicotine research. 372 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,210 They even named the nicotine dependence test after him. 373 00:18:24,210 --> 00:18:28,360 His work has been cited in over 22,000 scientific papers. 374 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:33,060 - We have done what's not part of any of the two world wars. 375 00:18:33,060 --> 00:18:35,940 Where cigarettes were really dispensed 376 00:18:35,940 --> 00:18:38,730 and given away free of charge to soldiers 377 00:18:38,730 --> 00:18:40,210 to get them to fight, 378 00:18:40,210 --> 00:18:43,530 to get them to get some order 379 00:18:43,530 --> 00:18:45,850 of their anxiety, and fear et cetera. 380 00:18:45,850 --> 00:18:49,530 One particular tobacco product 381 00:18:49,530 --> 00:18:53,540 that they call Snus which is a smokeless tobacco product, 382 00:18:53,540 --> 00:18:58,540 low in nitrosamines survived in Sweden. 383 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,100 So if we are talking about the '60s when the harms 384 00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:07,200 from smoking started to become strong, 385 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:12,030 and no one and advertise that smoking is very harmful. 386 00:19:12,030 --> 00:19:14,800 Then this product Snus was on the market, 387 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:19,800 and some understood in some way without really being told 388 00:19:20,260 --> 00:19:22,690 or that there was evidence around 389 00:19:22,690 --> 00:19:25,180 that may be that is less harmful, 390 00:19:25,180 --> 00:19:29,620 and it started as a smoking cessation thing. 391 00:19:29,620 --> 00:19:34,540 In the turn of the century we had around 21% 392 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:37,840 of male using Snus. 393 00:19:39,140 --> 00:19:41,860 Now we have 80 and something 394 00:19:41,860 --> 00:19:46,240 and five, 6% smoking cigarettes. 395 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,900 During this time which is 40, 50 years you can then look 396 00:19:50,900 --> 00:19:54,140 at cancer because they don't develop overnight, 397 00:19:54,140 --> 00:19:55,950 the cancers if you start to smoke, 398 00:19:55,950 --> 00:20:00,050 so we can see it and the full effect of switching 399 00:20:00,050 --> 00:20:02,280 to a much less harmful product. 400 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,580 What is the attitude by not only the public 401 00:20:05,580 --> 00:20:06,410 which I would love to hear, 402 00:20:06,410 --> 00:20:10,800 but also the tobacco control folks here in Sweden? 403 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:15,800 - They are very troubled by young people using Snus 404 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:17,940 and starting on Snus. 405 00:20:17,940 --> 00:20:20,330 What's your personal feelings on that? 406 00:20:20,330 --> 00:20:23,060 Is it worth it to save the kids from nicotine, 407 00:20:23,060 --> 00:20:25,790 if the smokers, existing smokers are dying? 408 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:32,680 - This is really a very difficult thing to talk about, 409 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,960 because it gets so emotional also when you talk about kids, 410 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:42,800 and I'm afraid that there are people that find it so hard 411 00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:48,060 to see only one kid getting addicted on nicotine, 412 00:20:48,060 --> 00:20:49,610 so therefore they would deny 413 00:20:49,610 --> 00:20:53,600 for example, electronic cigarettes to be on the market. 414 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,350 But on the other hand then you have thousands 415 00:20:56,350 --> 00:21:00,470 and maybe millions of adult smokers that are not close 416 00:21:00,470 --> 00:21:03,650 to dying yet but are in the 20s and 30s, 417 00:21:03,650 --> 00:21:06,320 that could benefit from electronic cigarettes, 418 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,690 and how many saved lives there 419 00:21:08,690 --> 00:21:13,560 do you need to have to measure up with one addicted kid? 420 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,800 And this is more emotional than mathematical 421 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,180 and scientific, 422 00:21:20,180 --> 00:21:25,180 but I do think we need to try to wrestle reasonably 423 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,650 with that problem and not just throw it. 424 00:21:30,650 --> 00:21:33,590 I don't want any kid to be addicted you see. 425 00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:38,590 It's a superficial argument when you don't put 426 00:21:39,330 --> 00:21:42,550 or see the whole spectrum of the problem. 427 00:21:44,220 --> 00:21:45,380 - With lives on the line, 428 00:21:45,380 --> 00:21:47,630 we wanted to avoid superficial arguments 429 00:21:47,630 --> 00:21:50,060 and listen deeply to all sides. 430 00:21:50,060 --> 00:21:52,910 People generally know the dangers of smoking, 431 00:21:52,910 --> 00:21:56,310 but we wanted to know the dangers of nicotine itself. 432 00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:58,200 We hadn't gotten very far. 433 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,010 It was time to dig deeper. 434 00:22:00,970 --> 00:22:04,230 Are there certain go-to researchers that you recommend? 435 00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:08,300 - So Stan Glantz out in California, 436 00:22:08,300 --> 00:22:09,370 leading expert. 437 00:22:09,370 --> 00:22:11,930 - Dr. Stanton Glantz, he works in San Francisco, 438 00:22:11,930 --> 00:22:15,660 and he's dedicated most of his life's work to vaping. 439 00:22:15,660 --> 00:22:17,430 - Our next step was San Francisco, 440 00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:19,820 the epicenter of the teen vaping crisis. 441 00:22:19,820 --> 00:22:22,810 We had heard a lot about Dr. Glantz from the students, 442 00:22:22,810 --> 00:22:24,550 parents and news media. 443 00:22:24,550 --> 00:22:27,130 He's a recognized leader around the world. 444 00:22:27,130 --> 00:22:29,910 His work has been cited more than 29,000 times 445 00:22:29,910 --> 00:22:31,350 in scientific papers. 446 00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:34,950 We were hoping to finally learn more about the dangers. 447 00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:38,620 - Most of my work originally was around secondhand smoke. 448 00:22:38,620 --> 00:22:42,550 Few had come to me in 1978 when I started getting involved 449 00:22:42,550 --> 00:22:45,010 in this issue, and said, you know, 450 00:22:45,010 --> 00:22:47,060 smoke free bars would be something 451 00:22:47,060 --> 00:22:49,090 that everybody takes for granted. 452 00:22:49,090 --> 00:22:52,020 Smoke free beaches would be something everybody takes 453 00:22:52,020 --> 00:22:52,850 for granted. 454 00:22:52,850 --> 00:22:55,030 I would have thought you were completely out of your mind. 455 00:22:55,030 --> 00:22:59,670 And so the whole social environment surrounding smoking 456 00:22:59,670 --> 00:23:02,060 and tobacco use has really changed 457 00:23:02,060 --> 00:23:04,130 rather than being a social plus 458 00:23:04,130 --> 00:23:05,700 it has become a social negative, 459 00:23:05,700 --> 00:23:09,190 and that's why people have been quitting. 460 00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:11,740 Well, one of the things I used to enjoy telling people 461 00:23:11,740 --> 00:23:13,340 is you know, some of that stank 462 00:23:16,090 --> 00:23:18,650 is the nicotine settling out of your clothes, 463 00:23:18,650 --> 00:23:22,510 but others is like you breathing it in and sweating it out, 464 00:23:22,510 --> 00:23:24,500 so if you do that you'll often notice 465 00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:27,600 that your underwear smells worse than your outerwear. 466 00:23:30,170 --> 00:23:31,390 Well, thankfully I don't really do much smoking. 467 00:23:31,390 --> 00:23:34,780 - Yeah, well, that's a good thing. 468 00:23:35,610 --> 00:23:37,070 - Can tell us a little bit about "The Tobacco Papers", 469 00:23:37,070 --> 00:23:38,510 obviously, the library, you're famous 470 00:23:38,510 --> 00:23:40,960 for that whole exposé type thing 471 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,330 can you just tell a little bit about how did that happen, 472 00:23:43,330 --> 00:23:45,640 and kinda what was your work with that whole thing? 473 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,900 - One day May 12th, 1994, a box of documents ended up 474 00:23:49,900 --> 00:23:52,440 on my desk. 475 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,730 And it was about four or 5,000 pages 476 00:23:56,730 --> 00:23:59,500 of internal industry documents. 477 00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:03,580 And it was really the first consistent view 478 00:24:03,580 --> 00:24:07,330 behind the curtain inside the tobacco industry. 479 00:24:07,330 --> 00:24:09,240 - We were at a meeting with a bunch of moms 480 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,000 who are in the PAVe group, 481 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:11,830 I don't know if you're familiar 482 00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:14,100 with Parents Against Vaping E-cigarettes. 483 00:24:14,100 --> 00:24:16,620 So we just got done with that, those meetings last week, 484 00:24:16,620 --> 00:24:18,130 and then got a chance to come over here. 485 00:24:18,130 --> 00:24:20,150 Can you kind of explain to the general public, 486 00:24:20,150 --> 00:24:21,880 what are the dangers of nicotine 487 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,710 and what should parents and teachers know about it? 488 00:24:26,020 --> 00:24:30,200 - Well, the biggest danger of nicotine is an addictive drug, 489 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:31,660 it changes your brain. 490 00:24:31,660 --> 00:24:34,360 And one of the things that's particularly bad 491 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:37,410 about this for kids at the same time 492 00:24:37,410 --> 00:24:41,610 that your brain is wiring itself up into the adult brain, 493 00:24:41,610 --> 00:24:43,120 you're putting chemicals in there 494 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:45,510 that are screwing up the way those connections 495 00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:46,440 are being made. 496 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:51,440 And that's why the earlier a kid starts smoking or vaping, 497 00:24:51,740 --> 00:24:54,930 the more likely they're gonna be getting that addicted, 498 00:24:54,930 --> 00:24:57,230 the more heavily they're gonna use the product 499 00:24:57,230 --> 00:24:58,060 in the long run. 500 00:24:58,060 --> 00:25:00,850 I mean, we don't know that for e-cigarettes for sure yet 501 00:25:00,850 --> 00:25:01,750 those are too new. 502 00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:04,450 So the most obvious problem with nicotine 503 00:25:04,450 --> 00:25:06,750 is that it's an addictive drug. 504 00:25:06,750 --> 00:25:09,860 But nicotine does a lot of other bad things, 505 00:25:09,860 --> 00:25:13,120 it's probably not the worst thing in cigarettes, 506 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:16,910 and nicotine hasn't been identified as causing cancer, 507 00:25:16,910 --> 00:25:19,500 and one thing I find that you know, teenagers, 508 00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:22,060 and college students are interested in cigarettes, 509 00:25:22,060 --> 00:25:25,290 and e-cigarettes are kinda like "Anti-Viagra". 510 00:25:25,290 --> 00:25:29,190 What happens in erectile dysfunction, 511 00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:31,730 you don't get enough vasodilation, 512 00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:33,850 blood vessels getting bigger in your penis 513 00:25:33,850 --> 00:25:35,400 to get an erection. 514 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,010 And what the erectile dysfunction drugs do 515 00:25:38,010 --> 00:25:41,350 is they stimulate nitric oxide synthase, 516 00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:46,170 so you get the vasodilation so the arteries can't get engorged. 517 00:25:46,170 --> 00:25:49,240 - Well, that was not at all what we were expecting. 518 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,530 Since Dr. Glantz told us 519 00:25:50,530 --> 00:25:53,260 that addiction is the biggest danger of nicotine, 520 00:25:53,260 --> 00:25:56,340 we went to Hollywood to meet a famous nicotine addict, 521 00:25:56,340 --> 00:25:58,420 YouTuber, Grim Green. 522 00:25:58,420 --> 00:26:01,680 Would you call yourself a nicotine addict? 523 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,110 - Sure, I mean, I'm sure that I'm addicted to it, 524 00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:07,740 enthusiast, maybe is what I would say. 525 00:26:07,740 --> 00:26:09,930 And I think there's a different level, 526 00:26:09,930 --> 00:26:12,820 there's certainly a different level of addiction 527 00:26:12,820 --> 00:26:15,670 between being addicted to nicotine, 528 00:26:15,670 --> 00:26:19,230 and being addicted to heroin. 529 00:26:19,230 --> 00:26:21,350 - What would be the downside of using nicotine 530 00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:22,610 for most of a person's life? 531 00:26:22,610 --> 00:26:23,440 You've done it, 532 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,110 so I mean, for you, what kind of side effects 533 00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:26,970 are you noticing from using nicotine? 534 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,400 - Not really, I mean, not side effects, 535 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,360 like physical side effects, 536 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:37,930 maybe some mental side effects where I'm trying 537 00:26:37,930 --> 00:26:40,330 to do something, or be creative, or remember a thing, 538 00:26:40,330 --> 00:26:43,180 and I'll vape, and nicotine helps me focus 539 00:26:43,180 --> 00:26:44,100 on things like that, 540 00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:48,890 but I mean, certainly not physical side effects, 541 00:26:48,890 --> 00:26:53,580 like physical symptoms of prolonged nicotine use 542 00:26:53,580 --> 00:26:55,550 or addiction, or anything like that. 543 00:26:55,550 --> 00:26:57,100 I mean, there are those times 544 00:26:57,100 --> 00:27:00,990 where sure maybe I haven't had nicotine in like six hours, 545 00:27:00,990 --> 00:27:04,490 and I go, all right, that feeling 546 00:27:04,490 --> 00:27:08,280 of being addicted to something where you need 547 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,580 to have this nicotine like, 548 00:27:09,580 --> 00:27:11,900 "If I don't get some nicotine soon, 549 00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:14,000 I'm gonna be in a real cranky mood." 550 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,400 That is a weird feeling to have your whole life constantly, 551 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,270 "Where's my vape? 552 00:27:19,270 --> 00:27:20,390 where's my thing? 553 00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:21,220 Where's my vape? 554 00:27:21,220 --> 00:27:22,050 Is my vape? 555 00:27:22,050 --> 00:27:22,970 Where is it? 556 00:27:22,970 --> 00:27:23,800 Is okay? 557 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:24,630 I have it, I have it." 558 00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:25,670 And when you have it you feel safe, 559 00:27:25,670 --> 00:27:28,080 like being tied to something like that. 560 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,970 Maybe is a downside, but in the grand scheme of things, 561 00:27:35,490 --> 00:27:38,260 how big of a deal is that? 562 00:27:38,260 --> 00:27:39,660 Are we upset about addiction 563 00:27:39,660 --> 00:27:42,480 just for addiction sake regardless of the harm? 564 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,500 I feel the best I've ever felt in my life. 565 00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:48,720 And I know that if I had continued smoking this whole time 566 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,960 at 42 I wouldn't feel this awesome. 567 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:51,840 - So some people might say, 568 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,580 "Oh, you're just saying that because you're involved 569 00:27:53,580 --> 00:27:54,410 in the industry." 570 00:27:54,410 --> 00:27:55,990 I mean, any thoughts on that? 571 00:27:57,250 --> 00:27:59,330 - Yeah, I mean, I am involved in the industry. 572 00:27:59,330 --> 00:28:01,070 I wasn't always involved in this industry 573 00:28:01,070 --> 00:28:05,380 for the first, probably six years of being a vapor 574 00:28:05,380 --> 00:28:06,650 and being on YouTube, 575 00:28:06,650 --> 00:28:08,850 I had a full-time job, 576 00:28:08,850 --> 00:28:11,040 and this was really just a hobby, 577 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,260 and I was putting information out there, 578 00:28:13,260 --> 00:28:15,610 and we would talk about legislation 579 00:28:15,610 --> 00:28:18,390 that was happening and trying to be as informed as possible. 580 00:28:18,390 --> 00:28:22,040 And I didn't make any money on youtube for like, six years, 581 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,350 six years of just information, 582 00:28:24,350 --> 00:28:28,410 and trying to build an audience and doing it just to do it. 583 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:31,960 - Pretty and- 584 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,610 - I feel like that's pretty grassroots activism right there. 585 00:28:35,610 --> 00:28:39,350 My stake in all of this is that I think everybody 586 00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:41,730 should be able to quit smoking the same way I did, 587 00:28:41,730 --> 00:28:43,790 and it's crazy to me that there's people trying 588 00:28:43,790 --> 00:28:45,880 to prevent that from happening. 589 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,590 - They don't call it wrestling with the facts for nothing. 590 00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:51,800 Now, we needed a referee. 591 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,040 While watching one of the US congressional hearings 592 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,260 about this topic, 593 00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:57,380 we heard a neutral sounding scientists 594 00:28:57,380 --> 00:29:00,890 give straightforward answers to the members of Congress, 595 00:29:00,890 --> 00:29:03,460 - Dr. Raymond Niaura 596 00:29:03,460 --> 00:29:06,900 of the Department of Social and Behavioral Sciences 597 00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:08,760 of the College of Global Public Health 598 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,630 at New York University. 599 00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:12,090 He was once the chief scientist 600 00:29:12,090 --> 00:29:13,640 at the Truth Initiative, 601 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,540 and was cited in over 25,000 scientific papers. 602 00:29:17,540 --> 00:29:20,060 We were off to New York. 603 00:29:20,060 --> 00:29:22,420 What does it do to the user? 604 00:29:23,270 --> 00:29:28,050 - Well, it's been described as a mild stimulant, 605 00:29:28,050 --> 00:29:29,170 and that's true, 606 00:29:29,170 --> 00:29:30,320 so when people use it, 607 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,170 their heart rate will increase a little bit, 608 00:29:33,170 --> 00:29:35,610 their blood pressure may increase a little bit, 609 00:29:35,610 --> 00:29:37,780 they become a little bit more alert, 610 00:29:37,780 --> 00:29:40,380 but what's going on in the brain? 611 00:29:40,380 --> 00:29:43,420 And it's only in about the past, 10 or 15 years 612 00:29:43,420 --> 00:29:46,770 where I think we were finally getting a more clear picture 613 00:29:46,770 --> 00:29:49,770 with neuroimaging studies, 614 00:29:49,770 --> 00:29:52,580 and those sorts of studies where we get some insight 615 00:29:52,580 --> 00:29:54,930 into what nicotine is doing. 616 00:29:54,930 --> 00:29:59,930 There's something called the default mode network 617 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,050 of the brain which sounds fancy, 618 00:30:02,050 --> 00:30:05,820 but all it means is what does your brain do 619 00:30:05,820 --> 00:30:07,000 when you're sitting around 620 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,790 and not doing anything in particular. 621 00:30:09,790 --> 00:30:12,380 It's not inactive. 622 00:30:12,380 --> 00:30:14,080 In fact, it's tremendously active. 623 00:30:14,910 --> 00:30:17,320 For most people their minds are darting around, 624 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,490 and kinda thinking about a bazillion things, 625 00:30:20,490 --> 00:30:23,020 but the thoughts tend to be turned inward. 626 00:30:23,020 --> 00:30:25,130 You're thinking about this or that, 627 00:30:25,130 --> 00:30:28,240 or what I have to do tomorrow or a million things. 628 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,370 So what does nicotine do to the default mode network? 629 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,640 It calms it down. 630 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,410 So it takes all the internal chatter, 631 00:30:37,410 --> 00:30:40,340 and it ratchets it down a few notches. 632 00:30:41,270 --> 00:30:43,730 So that's fascinating, right on its own, 633 00:30:43,730 --> 00:30:46,140 and you hear a lot of smokers tell you, 634 00:30:46,140 --> 00:30:48,980 "Well, cigarettes help me to relax, 635 00:30:48,980 --> 00:30:51,410 they make me feel more calm, 636 00:30:51,410 --> 00:30:54,810 they make me feel like I'm better able to deal with stress." 637 00:30:54,810 --> 00:30:56,590 And maybe that's part of the reason 638 00:30:56,590 --> 00:30:59,700 because the internal chatter gets ratcheted down. 639 00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:02,180 That ratcheting down at the same time, 640 00:31:02,180 --> 00:31:04,760 leaves more cognitive capacity for you 641 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,280 to be actually pay attention to certain things, 642 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,890 or remember certain things. 643 00:31:09,890 --> 00:31:11,720 So you're getting two things out of nicotine; 644 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,320 one is the internal chatter goes down, 645 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,820 and two, you get a real pick up in terms of your ability 646 00:31:18,820 --> 00:31:20,160 to pay attention to things, 647 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,200 and direct your attention and focus. 648 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,360 Generally speaking that would be surely a good reason 649 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,840 to wanna use it. 650 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:32,150 But I also think that some people benefit more 651 00:31:32,150 --> 00:31:34,630 or maybe more sensitive to its effects, 652 00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:37,740 so that for some people those effects are really profound, 653 00:31:37,740 --> 00:31:40,140 and almost to the point where they can't live without it. 654 00:31:40,140 --> 00:31:42,840 And maybe that's where we're seeing a link 655 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,250 to use it on people who have mental illnesses 656 00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:47,140 and so forth, 657 00:31:47,140 --> 00:31:49,050 that they're really relying on this drug 658 00:31:49,050 --> 00:31:52,880 to do certain things to help with their thinking literally. 659 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,260 He said, "They can't live without it." 660 00:31:56,260 --> 00:31:57,630 If that's true, 661 00:31:57,630 --> 00:31:59,540 then that would represent a major shift 662 00:31:59,540 --> 00:32:03,200 in understanding, becoming a human rights issue. 663 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,320 We have read that up to 90% of people 664 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,290 with certain mental illnesses are using nicotine daily. 665 00:32:09,290 --> 00:32:11,200 Could this be part of that puzzle? 666 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,200 Could there be benefits? 667 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,130 We promise not to seek doubt but chase truth. 668 00:32:17,130 --> 00:32:19,240 This was a point of no return. 669 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,110 At NYU there was another renowned clinical psychologist 670 00:32:22,110 --> 00:32:24,640 and professor named Dr. David Abrams, 671 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,520 who is the former director of the Office 672 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,170 of Behavioral and Social Sciences Research 673 00:32:29,170 --> 00:32:32,020 at the National Institutes of Health. 674 00:32:32,020 --> 00:32:33,850 He was also the founding executive director 675 00:32:33,850 --> 00:32:37,050 at the Schroeder National Institute of Tobacco Research. 676 00:32:37,050 --> 00:32:39,520 In addition to these prestigious positions, 677 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,990 he also wrote some of the first papers cautioning 678 00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:44,940 against the use of nicotine vapor technology. 679 00:32:44,940 --> 00:32:47,470 I asked him what makes nicotine so addictive 680 00:32:47,470 --> 00:32:48,730 for young adults. 681 00:32:48,730 --> 00:32:52,370 - What's been missed is that maybe teens 682 00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:54,070 who are attracted to nicotine, 683 00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:57,100 and then find that they can't stop using it, 684 00:32:57,100 --> 00:33:02,100 may well be improving their concentration, their memory, 685 00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:07,730 and it's got similar chemicals in the nicotine to the drugs 686 00:33:07,730 --> 00:33:12,730 that help prevent attention deficit hyperactivity disorder 687 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,900 that help with mood stabilization, 688 00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:20,440 and improve concentration, and attention focus, 689 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,620 as well as alertness as opposed to the thrill 690 00:33:24,620 --> 00:33:26,540 or reward that we attribute 691 00:33:26,540 --> 00:33:29,370 to things like heroin or cocaine. 692 00:33:29,370 --> 00:33:33,570 So nicotine is not a big reward drug compared 693 00:33:33,570 --> 00:33:37,520 to heroin, cocaine, or the worst of all methamphetamine, 694 00:33:38,890 --> 00:33:43,050 but it does help your brain feel good and work better. 695 00:33:43,050 --> 00:33:48,050 Nicotine may be a good drug for some people as a medicine. 696 00:33:49,660 --> 00:33:54,660 And we haven't been as open to that as we should be, 697 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,350 because again, it was previously demonized 698 00:33:58,350 --> 00:34:01,540 by being coupled with toxic smoke, 699 00:34:01,540 --> 00:34:05,870 but whether it's an FDA approved gum, patch, or lozenge, 700 00:34:05,870 --> 00:34:07,650 or a vape product, 701 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,800 we know that nicotine can be used as a medication. 702 00:34:14,350 --> 00:34:16,260 Medicinal nicotine. 703 00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:19,110 we were definitely in unfamiliar territory. 704 00:34:19,110 --> 00:34:21,780 We were reminded of something Dr. Neal Benowitz told us 705 00:34:21,780 --> 00:34:23,230 when we met earlier. 706 00:34:23,230 --> 00:34:25,480 Now that new technology allows for nicotine 707 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,090 to be separated from deadly smoke consumption, 708 00:34:28,090 --> 00:34:30,510 he too agree that more digging was needed 709 00:34:30,510 --> 00:34:32,820 to understand nicotine's effects. 710 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,550 - Smoking which has been the first concern 711 00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:40,390 is so confounded with social, cultural, 712 00:34:40,390 --> 00:34:41,970 environmental factors, 713 00:34:41,970 --> 00:34:43,800 so in most cases cigarette smokers 714 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,260 are already risk takers, 715 00:34:46,260 --> 00:34:48,450 and they already do less well in school 716 00:34:48,450 --> 00:34:49,970 than non-smokers in general. 717 00:34:51,050 --> 00:34:54,230 So it's very difficult to establish 718 00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:57,290 that there's any difference in smokers compared 719 00:34:57,290 --> 00:34:58,930 to non-smokers that is nicotine related, 720 00:34:58,930 --> 00:35:00,790 because of other confounding factors. 721 00:35:02,260 --> 00:35:03,450 If you look at adult smokers, 722 00:35:03,450 --> 00:35:05,260 if they quit smoking, there's no evidence 723 00:35:05,260 --> 00:35:06,830 that there's permanent brain damage. 724 00:35:06,830 --> 00:35:09,930 Now, interestingly, with electronic cigarettes 725 00:35:09,930 --> 00:35:12,470 it provides not only the concern, 726 00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:16,050 but also the possibility scientifically to look at this. 727 00:35:16,050 --> 00:35:20,320 Because now when we step back e-cigarette use in adolescence 728 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,940 in the beginning was mostly by cigarette smokers, 729 00:35:24,860 --> 00:35:27,880 and therefore was the same as looking at cigarette smoking. 730 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,550 Nowadays, at least in the US there's a difference. 731 00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:33,200 Now, many of the kids are using e-cigarettes 732 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,040 have no desire to smoke cigarettes, 733 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,690 they think cigarettes are bad, 734 00:35:36,690 --> 00:35:38,680 it's not cool, 735 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,540 but e-cigarette use is. 736 00:35:40,540 --> 00:35:41,640 They're more affluent people, 737 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,820 they have much lower risk factors, 738 00:35:43,820 --> 00:35:45,620 better academic performance, 739 00:35:45,620 --> 00:35:47,810 and this is something I think is an important area 740 00:35:47,810 --> 00:35:51,600 of research to try to find out is there an impact. 741 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:52,780 We searched long and hard 742 00:35:52,780 --> 00:35:55,150 for who was doing the most new research 743 00:35:55,150 --> 00:35:57,030 about nicotine in the brain, 744 00:35:57,030 --> 00:36:00,310 who didn't have a background in tobacco research. 745 00:36:00,310 --> 00:36:02,770 It seemed like the history of nicotine being coupled 746 00:36:02,770 --> 00:36:06,320 with cigarettes was influencing the science. 747 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,670 We found a scientist at Vanderbilt University 748 00:36:08,670 --> 00:36:10,810 who was conducting the biggest study ever 749 00:36:10,810 --> 00:36:14,320 about nicotine in the brain called the Mind Study. 750 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,350 We went to meet him at his laboratory. 751 00:36:16,350 --> 00:36:18,320 - After my army obligation was done 752 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,810 I came back to the National Institutes of Health 753 00:36:20,810 --> 00:36:23,920 and did a postdoctoral research fellowship there. 754 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,960 And I joined this great group of guys 755 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,060 that were all working on Alzheimer's disease. 756 00:36:29,060 --> 00:36:31,110 This guy was working on one aspect, 757 00:36:31,110 --> 00:36:33,230 and that guy was working on another aspect 758 00:36:33,230 --> 00:36:36,500 of this system in the brain that we were very interested 759 00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:37,340 in at that time. 760 00:36:37,340 --> 00:36:40,610 And nobody was looking at the nicotinic system, 761 00:36:40,610 --> 00:36:43,500 and I thought, "Well, there's a niche for me," 762 00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:45,670 But turns out that these nicotinic receptors 763 00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:48,220 in the brain turn out to be really important, 764 00:36:48,220 --> 00:36:50,500 really important for development, 765 00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:52,820 and for normal brain function. 766 00:36:54,830 --> 00:36:59,390 Long before there is gum, or patches, or anything, 767 00:36:59,390 --> 00:37:01,120 there was just cigarettes. 768 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,850 And so basically, I bought nicotine from a chemical company, 769 00:37:05,850 --> 00:37:09,350 and we made it into a pharmaceutical at the NIH, 770 00:37:09,350 --> 00:37:11,530 and we had to give it intravenously, 771 00:37:11,530 --> 00:37:13,500 'cause that was the only way it could be given 772 00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:14,920 in those days. 773 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,730 And actually, it was Neal Benowitz was the only other person 774 00:37:17,730 --> 00:37:19,180 that had done that. 775 00:37:19,180 --> 00:37:22,570 So I remember e-mail, or this is even before e-mail, 776 00:37:22,570 --> 00:37:24,370 I may have called Neal, 777 00:37:24,370 --> 00:37:26,810 and I said, "How do I do this?" 778 00:37:26,810 --> 00:37:30,040 And he said, "Well, I'll send you my recipe." 779 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,160 So he sent me his recipe, 780 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,200 and we made it at the NIH Clinical Center 781 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,460 in about 1984 or 85, 782 00:37:38,460 --> 00:37:40,560 and we took it to the FDA, 783 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,910 and they said, "Sure." 784 00:37:42,910 --> 00:37:46,140 We proved that it was safe to administer nicotine 785 00:37:46,140 --> 00:37:50,180 to non-smoking older adults with memory loss, 786 00:37:50,180 --> 00:37:52,030 and that there were no adverse effects. 787 00:37:52,030 --> 00:37:54,000 We saw a little bit of weight loss, 788 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,870 not surprising nicotine is an appetite suppressant. 789 00:37:56,870 --> 00:38:00,470 People's blood pressure actually went down, not up, 790 00:38:00,470 --> 00:38:03,790 but it did not produce the cardiovascular side effects 791 00:38:03,790 --> 00:38:04,920 that everyone thought it would, 792 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,100 and so it appears smoking is very different 793 00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:10,280 from nicotine by itself. 794 00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:15,630 And that was sort of what launched this long journey 795 00:38:15,630 --> 00:38:16,840 to try to figure out 796 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,200 if we can make something useful out of nicotine. 797 00:38:21,660 --> 00:38:26,180 There was a guy at Georgetown named Ken Keller, 798 00:38:26,180 --> 00:38:29,910 and Ken who's still there, still kicking. 799 00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:33,110 Ken had what been one of the first people to identify 800 00:38:33,110 --> 00:38:36,310 that Alzheimer's disease patients lost nicotinic receptors 801 00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:37,450 in the brain. 802 00:38:37,450 --> 00:38:38,760 And that was about the same time 803 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,120 that I suggested independently 804 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,480 that we could maybe stimulate those receptors. 805 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,980 People who are taking nicotine 806 00:38:45,980 --> 00:38:48,530 actually increase the number of receptors they have 807 00:38:48,530 --> 00:38:49,600 in their brain. 808 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,580 We wanna take advantage of that 809 00:38:51,580 --> 00:38:54,220 to see if we can use that therapeutically. 810 00:38:54,220 --> 00:38:57,410 In the early 2000s I came up with a crazy idea 811 00:38:57,410 --> 00:39:00,680 with two other colleagues, Ken Caldeira at Georgetown, 812 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:01,850 and Ed Levin at Duke. 813 00:39:01,850 --> 00:39:05,680 We got a grant funded to do a small trial with patients 814 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,570 with mild memory loss. 815 00:39:07,570 --> 00:39:09,170 It had positive results. 816 00:39:09,170 --> 00:39:10,840 This first study was so important 817 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,520 that a massive new grant was approved 818 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,290 to continue this research. 819 00:39:14,290 --> 00:39:15,670 In 2018, 820 00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:19,050 Alzheimer's became a trillion dollar disease worldwide, 821 00:39:19,050 --> 00:39:21,440 and every three seconds someone is diagnosed 822 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,670 with this tragic disease. 823 00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:26,510 Dr. Newhouse's first study showed that nicotine 824 00:39:26,510 --> 00:39:29,060 could improve the memory of those with MCI, 825 00:39:29,060 --> 00:39:31,320 a precursor to Alzheimer's. 826 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,720 On a personal note, 827 00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:35,420 Jenny and I have had loved ones forget our names. 828 00:39:35,420 --> 00:39:38,280 It's one of the saddest things I've ever experienced. 829 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,150 Living with someone who can't remember their favorite song, 830 00:39:41,150 --> 00:39:44,420 or the names of their children is devastating. 831 00:39:44,420 --> 00:39:45,600 This felt big. 832 00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:51,950 A deep dive into the peer reviewed scientific literature 833 00:39:51,950 --> 00:39:54,110 shows that nicotine outside of cigarettes 834 00:39:54,110 --> 00:39:56,660 can have positive effects on depression, 835 00:39:56,660 --> 00:39:59,120 high blood pressure, brain function, 836 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:03,090 obesity, Parkinson's, and a variety of other issues, 837 00:40:03,090 --> 00:40:04,730 including Tourette syndrome 838 00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:07,260 which affects up to 10% of children. 839 00:40:07,260 --> 00:40:10,010 - My daughter was diagnosed with Tourette Syndrome 840 00:40:10,010 --> 00:40:11,510 when she was six. 841 00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:15,040 To watch our child having these uncontrollable tics 842 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,820 it's painful to watch. 843 00:40:17,810 --> 00:40:20,320 These movements or this breathing. 844 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,610 it's terrifying for you as a parent. 845 00:40:24,610 --> 00:40:27,220 - We saw our daughter really suffer. 846 00:40:27,220 --> 00:40:30,660 She suffered, she would scratch herself bloody, 847 00:40:30,660 --> 00:40:32,050 and she just couldn't stop, 848 00:40:32,050 --> 00:40:34,070 and she would cry because it hurt, 849 00:40:34,070 --> 00:40:36,060 and we watched her suffer like that. 850 00:40:36,060 --> 00:40:39,490 - And it was Christmas, two years ago, 851 00:40:39,490 --> 00:40:42,930 and her tics were so unbelievably bad 852 00:40:42,930 --> 00:40:47,180 that I panicked and so I started hitting Google 853 00:40:47,180 --> 00:40:49,030 just trying it was actually at night, 854 00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:50,030 and I was panicking. 855 00:40:51,060 --> 00:40:54,710 And in Google I found this one tiny little story 856 00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:58,450 about a study they did at the late '90s 857 00:40:58,450 --> 00:41:01,470 where they tried using a seven milligram nicotine patch 858 00:41:01,470 --> 00:41:02,910 on children with Tourette's. 859 00:41:05,310 --> 00:41:08,810 The study said, "All of the children reduce 860 00:41:08,810 --> 00:41:10,420 their Tourette's by half." 861 00:41:10,420 --> 00:41:13,090 So I said I'm going to buy a patch right now, 862 00:41:13,090 --> 00:41:14,450 and I went to the store and I said, 863 00:41:14,450 --> 00:41:15,690 "We'll put it on her in the morning." 864 00:41:15,690 --> 00:41:19,510 And my sister-in-law actually found a German version 865 00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:22,070 of the story which went into more detail, 866 00:41:22,070 --> 00:41:23,990 and they said use the patch at night. 867 00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:27,020 - I had a choice to make to watch her suffer like this, 868 00:41:27,020 --> 00:41:30,090 or to put a little patch on her. 869 00:41:30,090 --> 00:41:31,770 - So we put on the patch, 870 00:41:31,770 --> 00:41:34,090 and the next morning there were no tics. 871 00:41:34,090 --> 00:41:36,100 It was almost that instantaneous. 872 00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:37,210 - Yes. - When a child realizes 873 00:41:37,210 --> 00:41:40,180 is that other people notice their tics- 874 00:41:40,180 --> 00:41:41,030 - And watch them. 875 00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:41,980 - And now they're aware- - They laugh. 876 00:41:41,980 --> 00:41:44,610 - That their classmates are watching 877 00:41:44,610 --> 00:41:46,100 and this nicotine patch, 878 00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:49,740 I mean in 24 hours remarkedly different. 879 00:41:49,740 --> 00:41:53,330 And then over time as they got less and less 880 00:41:53,330 --> 00:41:54,990 nobody noticed in class anymore, 881 00:41:54,990 --> 00:41:57,770 nobody asked, "Why do you keep making these noises 882 00:41:57,770 --> 00:41:59,170 that are bothering everybody?" 883 00:41:59,170 --> 00:42:01,150 - And she completely came out of her shell. 884 00:42:01,150 --> 00:42:04,430 It very simply made her life easier, 885 00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:06,530 a hundred times easier. 886 00:42:06,530 --> 00:42:10,250 She's socializing, she has friends. 887 00:42:10,250 --> 00:42:13,010 She didn't socialize before, 888 00:42:13,010 --> 00:42:17,140 she was embarrassed and afraid to go out to meet kids, 889 00:42:17,140 --> 00:42:20,160 have a slumber party to sleep over at other kids houses. 890 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,170 - Just recently, my daughter looked at me and she said, 891 00:42:23,170 --> 00:42:25,310 "You know, I'm not using the patch anymore." 892 00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:27,200 She says, "My tics are almost gone. 893 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,030 I didn't need it, 894 00:42:28,030 --> 00:42:30,160 so I stopped wearing it." 895 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,870 And all those things you think like me as a parent 896 00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:34,620 I would have thought," Oh, I need to wean her off 897 00:42:34,620 --> 00:42:36,450 of this patch we need to go slow." 898 00:42:36,450 --> 00:42:38,220 But she says, "I've been off it for two weeks." 899 00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:40,380 I said, "Did you notice anything?" 900 00:42:40,380 --> 00:42:41,830 She says, "No, I just stopped wearing it. 901 00:42:41,830 --> 00:42:45,380 I didn't feel anything, no withdrawal symptoms 902 00:42:45,380 --> 00:42:46,990 or anything crazy like that." 903 00:42:46,990 --> 00:42:50,550 And she used the patch and and it worked for her. 904 00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:52,300 Nicotine gave us our daughter back. 905 00:42:55,310 --> 00:42:57,380 - We're doing a lot more with nicotinic stuff 906 00:42:57,380 --> 00:42:58,480 than just what I've told you. 907 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,420 So I guess that we're investigating 908 00:43:00,420 --> 00:43:02,660 in late life depression, 909 00:43:02,660 --> 00:43:05,840 we're invest as a potential adjunct to antidepressants, 910 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,610 MCI, early Alzheimer's disease, HIV, Down syndrome. 911 00:43:14,910 --> 00:43:17,840 patients with cancer chemotherapy, 912 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,560 other cognitive problems that occur subsequent 913 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,440 to medical treatment or to other diseases. 914 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,780 - Nicotine. - Nicotine, yeah. 915 00:43:26,780 --> 00:43:29,370 So nicotine increases brain function 916 00:43:29,370 --> 00:43:31,440 for millions of people around the world. 917 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,160 Switching from cigarettes to a safer delivery method 918 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,230 for taking nicotine was estimated 919 00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:39,900 to reduce hundreds of millions of early deaths this century. 920 00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:42,240 We calculated the potential lives impacted 921 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:45,810 with all these medical conditions, not just cancer, 922 00:43:45,810 --> 00:43:48,370 but Alzheimer's, obesity, anxiety, depression, 923 00:43:48,370 --> 00:43:51,620 the number was over 2 billion. 924 00:43:51,620 --> 00:43:53,900 Nicotine has benefits for people. 925 00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:56,960 Why is this conversation shrouded in doubt? 926 00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,710 Why are these people subjected to shame? 927 00:44:00,710 --> 00:44:05,600 How can we pretend that this is not a human rights issue? 928 00:44:06,450 --> 00:44:10,390 Our first reaction to this realization was fear. 929 00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:12,000 Would anybody believe us? 930 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,180 Will this film be called Pro-smoking Propaganda? 931 00:44:16,180 --> 00:44:17,970 It was a lot to take in. 932 00:44:17,970 --> 00:44:20,780 Nobody wants to be called crazy. 933 00:44:20,780 --> 00:44:23,540 With billions of dollars being spent by activists each year 934 00:44:23,540 --> 00:44:26,150 to stigmatize people who use nicotine, 935 00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:28,940 it was clear that there was a war ahead. 936 00:44:28,940 --> 00:44:31,780 Why would anyone use nicotine medicinally, 937 00:44:31,780 --> 00:44:33,160 if they're afraid of it, 938 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,090 or bullied for using it. 939 00:44:35,090 --> 00:44:39,030 Looking ahead we saw three big battles on the horizon, 940 00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:41,610 but the frantic pace of most people's lives 941 00:44:41,610 --> 00:44:43,690 much of the public relies on their health leaders 942 00:44:43,690 --> 00:44:45,410 to help them. 943 00:44:45,410 --> 00:44:47,090 Whenever new evidence appears, 944 00:44:47,090 --> 00:44:50,600 the Public Health Committee often move slowly. 945 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,440 The first big obstacle to better health is usually pride. 946 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,900 Any benefits to nicotine? 947 00:44:55,900 --> 00:44:57,370 - No. 948 00:44:57,370 --> 00:45:01,920 - There's deep deep mistrust and a bordering 949 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,210 on hatred of the tobacco industry 950 00:45:05,210 --> 00:45:08,380 which has been deceitful, and lied to people, and killed. 951 00:45:08,380 --> 00:45:11,660 And just like the song by The Who, 952 00:45:11,660 --> 00:45:13,230 "Won't Get Fooled Again." 953 00:45:13,230 --> 00:45:16,210 - FDA invited me to a meeting a few years ago 954 00:45:16,210 --> 00:45:18,340 to talk about this data. 955 00:45:18,340 --> 00:45:21,360 And I remember getting up there 956 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,320 and showing this blood pressure data, 957 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,680 and showed, sounds like a good anti-hypertensive. 958 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,550 And this woman who's an internist, who's on the panel said, 959 00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:34,160 "Well, I just don't believe this data." 960 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,710 And I said, "Well, I'm sorry, it's the data, 961 00:45:35,710 --> 00:45:37,770 you can believe it or not, 962 00:45:37,770 --> 00:45:40,290 but I'm just showing you what the data is actually." 963 00:45:40,290 --> 00:45:43,940 - Like many people when the first appearance 964 00:45:43,940 --> 00:45:48,940 of e-cigarettes occurred around 2007 in the United States, 965 00:45:49,410 --> 00:45:51,530 we didn't have a lot of science. 966 00:45:51,530 --> 00:45:56,530 And as a scientist I actually published two early articles 967 00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,510 and did one of the very first scientific studies 968 00:46:00,510 --> 00:46:03,340 of the toxicants in e-cigarettes. 969 00:46:03,340 --> 00:46:07,410 And all of that told me that we didn't know enough 970 00:46:07,410 --> 00:46:10,420 to know how much harm there was, 971 00:46:10,420 --> 00:46:12,380 whether they were really less harmful 972 00:46:12,380 --> 00:46:14,800 than burning cigarettes, 973 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,500 and so I took a stance of conservativism, 974 00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:22,710 and I said, these could have a potential. 975 00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:24,980 I said, they have promise and there's peril, 976 00:46:24,980 --> 00:46:27,570 but until we know more they should be taken off 977 00:46:27,570 --> 00:46:28,970 the market completely, 978 00:46:28,970 --> 00:46:30,840 and only when the science shows 979 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,810 that they are safe and effective should we put them back 980 00:46:33,810 --> 00:46:34,660 on the market. 981 00:46:34,660 --> 00:46:37,100 The science actually in the last two or three years 982 00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:39,390 has become incredibly strong, 983 00:46:39,390 --> 00:46:42,040 and there's now a consensus on that. 984 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:46,760 So I changed my mind and it was the science that drove me 985 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,080 to change my mind, nothing else 986 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,670 in order to use the science to see how we can thread 987 00:46:52,670 --> 00:46:55,780 that moving needle to save more lives more quickly 988 00:46:55,780 --> 00:46:57,320 than we've been able to do so far. 989 00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:58,810 But it's a long haul. 990 00:46:58,810 --> 00:47:00,470 What keeps you going? 991 00:47:00,470 --> 00:47:01,370 - Well, 992 00:47:05,130 --> 00:47:05,960 we're winning. 993 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,930 If you go back and look at this battle 994 00:47:09,930 --> 00:47:14,930 you have this rich, powerful, unscrupulous industry, 995 00:47:15,810 --> 00:47:20,810 and a relatively ragtag group of rebels has taken it down. 996 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,750 - Many of the anti-tobacco people I think their fight 997 00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:30,750 isn't fight with the harmful effects of smoking. 998 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,470 It's more to get down the tobacco industry, 999 00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:35,590 that's the goal. 1000 00:47:35,590 --> 00:47:37,970 - Suddenly, we had a new technology 1001 00:47:37,970 --> 00:47:39,650 that disrupted that and said, 1002 00:47:39,650 --> 00:47:43,760 "We can deliver nicotine in a satisfying way 1003 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,740 that doesn't kill you." 1004 00:47:45,740 --> 00:47:48,010 - You hear these arguments made all the time. 1005 00:47:48,010 --> 00:47:51,440 It's like, "Well, are you gonna ban coffee? 1006 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,210 Are you gonna ban chocolate?" 1007 00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:55,520 You know they say there's nothing wrong with nicotine, 1008 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,270 it's just another harmless drug. 1009 00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:59,940 And unfortunately, even the FDA, 1010 00:47:59,940 --> 00:48:01,590 sometimes you hear them saying it 1011 00:48:01,590 --> 00:48:03,970 which I think is very irresponsible. 1012 00:48:03,970 --> 00:48:05,230 I know you get a lot of trolls too. 1013 00:48:05,230 --> 00:48:06,060 - I know, I know. 1014 00:48:06,060 --> 00:48:07,540 - And they're throwing a lot of stuff at us, 1015 00:48:07,540 --> 00:48:09,720 like Royal College of Physicians. 1016 00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:12,450 I mean, they seem to be sort of governmental, 1017 00:48:12,450 --> 00:48:13,530 I mean, what do you say about that? 1018 00:48:13,530 --> 00:48:15,040 - Well, the Royal College of Physicians, 1019 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,150 I don't know if you know the old science fiction movie, 1020 00:48:17,150 --> 00:48:19,140 "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" 1021 00:48:19,140 --> 00:48:22,320 where people's bodies got taken over by aliens. 1022 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,750 I mean, that's how I look at England and e-cigarettes. 1023 00:48:24,750 --> 00:48:26,700 - They get you when you sleep. 1024 00:48:26,700 --> 00:48:28,100 Sit up. 1025 00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:31,440 "Invasion of the Body Snatchers." 1026 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:32,370 - If it's not showing a four, 1027 00:48:32,370 --> 00:48:33,410 that's a nonsmoker reading. 1028 00:48:33,410 --> 00:48:34,240 Nonsmoker usually- 1029 00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:36,030 - Ina uses an e-cigarette. 1030 00:48:36,030 --> 00:48:39,030 The test is overseen by Professor Peter Hayak. 1031 00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:41,570 - Many people out there saying that nicotine itself 1032 00:48:41,570 --> 00:48:43,750 is a dangerous poison, 1033 00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:47,720 but if nicotine is taken without the accompanying toxicants, 1034 00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:50,450 then the health effects would be very similar 1035 00:48:50,450 --> 00:48:51,470 to drinking coffee. 1036 00:48:51,470 --> 00:48:52,910 - They haven't seen any evidence 1037 00:48:52,910 --> 00:48:55,910 of e-cigarettes causing cancer or these other diseases. 1038 00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:58,340 - We produced a practical document for midwives, 1039 00:48:58,340 --> 00:49:01,980 and crucially, if you see the age of the organizations 1040 00:49:01,980 --> 00:49:04,240 that have endorsed it here, 1041 00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:07,130 we also have the Royal College Of Midwives. 1042 00:49:07,130 --> 00:49:09,250 Can I use an e-cigarette to help me quit smoking? 1043 00:49:09,250 --> 00:49:12,090 The answer is yes and explains why. 1044 00:49:12,090 --> 00:49:14,780 Is it okay for others to use e-cigarettes around me? 1045 00:49:14,780 --> 00:49:15,720 The answer is yes. 1046 00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:17,380 We just tried to be very clear. 1047 00:49:17,380 --> 00:49:20,160 - It's not dangerous to be near someone 1048 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,410 who's using an electronic cigarette. 1049 00:49:22,410 --> 00:49:26,090 There's really no evidence and actually very little reason 1050 00:49:26,090 --> 00:49:31,030 to believe that it's gonna re-normalize smoking, 1051 00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:32,310 so what's the problem? 1052 00:49:32,310 --> 00:49:34,680 - And I have a lot of friends over there, 1053 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,070 people I've worked with for a long time, 1054 00:49:37,070 --> 00:49:39,440 who just are in love with e-cigarettes, 1055 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,920 people with long credentials of working, 1056 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,890 doing good work on tobacco. 1057 00:49:44,890 --> 00:49:47,550 - It's very hard to change one's mind 1058 00:49:47,550 --> 00:49:52,550 when for 30 or 40 years you've believed one set of facts, 1059 00:49:52,850 --> 00:49:56,070 and pride yourself in having made recommendations 1060 00:49:56,070 --> 00:50:00,670 based on that and then you begin to see a big change. 1061 00:50:00,670 --> 00:50:03,910 - And one of the things that's to me as an academic 1062 00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:04,940 who's old, 1063 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,100 is very gratifying 1064 00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:08,940 as I've seen all this before. 1065 00:50:08,940 --> 00:50:11,030 Health groups are kind of scurrying around trying 1066 00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:12,170 to get their act together. 1067 00:50:12,170 --> 00:50:15,750 But I've seen this before, 1068 00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:18,370 I'm confident with the health groups 1069 00:50:18,370 --> 00:50:20,130 and people like me will. 1070 00:50:20,130 --> 00:50:21,960 - There is ego involved, 1071 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,920 and it's hard to admit 1072 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,110 that something is changing so radically. 1073 00:50:28,110 --> 00:50:29,860 And I still struggle with that, 1074 00:50:29,860 --> 00:50:34,860 because my brain is wired to think all the old things 1075 00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:37,830 that I've thought for 40 years. 1076 00:50:37,830 --> 00:50:41,460 - I mean, I just continue to be totally befuddled. 1077 00:50:41,460 --> 00:50:42,810 - And you scratch your head, 1078 00:50:42,810 --> 00:50:46,870 and the first reaction I think is I wanna be conservative, 1079 00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:51,180 I'm not convinced that this new science is real. 1080 00:50:51,180 --> 00:50:54,590 - It becomes part of your self-identity and self-worth, 1081 00:50:55,550 --> 00:50:57,730 people look up to you, whatever, 1082 00:50:57,730 --> 00:51:01,130 all of that, it's all in play. 1083 00:51:01,130 --> 00:51:03,530 - My friends who have their midlife crisis, 1084 00:51:03,530 --> 00:51:05,960 it's like, "Oh, my God, I've turned 50," 1085 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,260 which seems a long time ago to me, 1086 00:51:08,260 --> 00:51:10,500 and "Oh, my God, what have I done with my life?" 1087 00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:11,620 Well, I don't feel that way, 1088 00:51:11,620 --> 00:51:13,020 I mean, you look around the world. 1089 00:51:13,020 --> 00:51:15,190 It's a different place because of the work people 1090 00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:16,660 like me have done, 1091 00:51:16,660 --> 00:51:18,810 and it's very satisfying. 1092 00:51:18,810 --> 00:51:19,820 We're winning. 1093 00:51:20,930 --> 00:51:22,190 - The second big obstacle 1094 00:51:22,190 --> 00:51:23,820 to helping people understand the risks 1095 00:51:23,820 --> 00:51:27,070 and benefits of nicotine is misinformation. 1096 00:51:27,070 --> 00:51:30,660 Once people and the media get talking points from leaders, 1097 00:51:30,660 --> 00:51:32,880 it's very hard to change their opinion. 1098 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,840 We asked people around the world 1099 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,920 what they thought about nicotine. 1100 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,000 Their answers were not surprising. 1101 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,970 We are doing a documentary about nicotine 1102 00:51:41,970 --> 00:51:43,410 that's called "You Don't Know Nicotine." 1103 00:51:43,410 --> 00:51:45,460 What do you know about nicotine? 1104 00:51:45,460 --> 00:51:47,070 - I know it's not very good for your health. 1105 00:51:47,070 --> 00:51:48,010 - Very addictive. 1106 00:51:49,570 --> 00:51:50,600 I wouldn't recommend it. 1107 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,270 - It ruins you. 1108 00:51:52,270 --> 00:51:55,310 - It's in cigarettes and it's not healthy for you. 1109 00:51:55,310 --> 00:51:57,300 - What do you know about it? 1110 00:51:57,300 --> 00:51:58,150 - Not much I guess. 1111 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,670 - That works for the name of it. 1112 00:52:01,670 --> 00:52:03,300 - It's supposed to be bad for you, right? 1113 00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:05,040 We were curious what elected officials 1114 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,010 were being told by traditional health leaders 1115 00:52:07,010 --> 00:52:09,940 about safer ways to take nicotine. 1116 00:52:09,940 --> 00:52:11,540 We learned about a hearing that was happening 1117 00:52:11,540 --> 00:52:13,500 in the Montana legislature 1118 00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:15,010 before they voted on a law 1119 00:52:15,010 --> 00:52:16,980 to ban certain clean nicotine devices 1120 00:52:16,980 --> 00:52:19,010 anywhere smoking was banned. 1121 00:52:19,010 --> 00:52:22,760 So we packed up our gear and drove 21 hours to Montana. 1122 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,510 Just as we arrived we got word 1123 00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:27,610 that the hearing was canceled. 1124 00:52:27,610 --> 00:52:29,670 We were contacted by one of the local shops 1125 00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:31,840 that sells nicotine vapor devices. 1126 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,010 They had some surprising information. 1127 00:52:35,010 --> 00:52:36,360 - Sidney, Frederick you're ready? - Yeah. 1128 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,490 All right, let's go. 1129 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:48,670 Total crisis. 1130 00:52:48,670 --> 00:52:51,380 - Yeah, what happened on that? 1131 00:52:51,380 --> 00:52:52,640 - They were trying to say in the community, 1132 00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,270 well of course all health care people were up there 1133 00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:58,040 just happy, big shitty and smiles on their faces, 1134 00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,170 'cause we weren't there. - How did they? 1135 00:53:00,170 --> 00:53:02,250 - And they did all their testimony 1136 00:53:02,250 --> 00:53:04,130 and all their lies like they always do, 1137 00:53:04,130 --> 00:53:05,990 and I'm like they're hearing our bill. 1138 00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:08,020 He's like, "I'm on my way down there." 1139 00:53:08,020 --> 00:53:10,460 And he went down there and says this is bull, 1140 00:53:10,460 --> 00:53:13,380 we got noticed that it was canceled, showed it, 1141 00:53:13,380 --> 00:53:14,740 and said there nobody's here, 1142 00:53:14,740 --> 00:53:18,240 all these people were gonna be here to oppose this. 1143 00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:20,530 It just happened, we watch it live. 1144 00:53:20,530 --> 00:53:21,360 - Oh, you are... - There's a lot, 1145 00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,320 yeah, there's a live stream. 1146 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:24,570 Come on in. 1147 00:53:24,570 --> 00:53:26,210 And you pull it up in Montana, 1148 00:53:26,210 --> 00:53:27,040 and you can sit there and watch it. 1149 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:27,950 - Oh really. 1150 00:53:27,950 --> 00:53:29,260 And this is the- 1151 00:53:29,260 --> 00:53:31,110 - Okay. - Total crisis. 1152 00:53:31,110 --> 00:53:33,150 Okay, so is that actually the one right there? 1153 00:53:33,150 --> 00:53:34,740 - Yeah, like they're live right now. 1154 00:53:34,740 --> 00:53:36,570 It's live right now. 1155 00:53:36,570 --> 00:53:39,160 - Canceled hearing and here's what he sent. 1156 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:40,830 - This says I just want you to know, 1157 00:53:40,830 --> 00:53:42,480 so you don't waste your time and money coming up here 1158 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:43,780 that it's canceled. - Oh my goodness. 1159 00:53:43,780 --> 00:53:46,380 - Canceled hearing Hb 653. 1160 00:53:46,380 --> 00:53:47,370 - Well, that is some shady stuff. 1161 00:53:47,370 --> 00:53:48,700 - Yeah, it was bad. 1162 00:53:48,700 --> 00:53:49,860 It was really bad. 1163 00:53:49,860 --> 00:53:50,810 - This is the Bill. 1164 00:53:52,050 --> 00:53:55,670 And so what it would do, 1165 00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:57,620 yeah, they wanted to change it 1166 00:53:57,620 --> 00:53:59,600 to electronic smoking devices. 1167 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:00,430 - Oh my goodness. 1168 00:54:00,430 --> 00:54:01,260 - Somebody wanna show me what that is. 1169 00:54:01,260 --> 00:54:02,090 Smoking device? 1170 00:54:02,090 --> 00:54:03,160 Oh goodness. - Yeah. 1171 00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:04,810 This felt like a deliberate effort 1172 00:54:04,810 --> 00:54:07,410 to keep this information away from the public, 1173 00:54:07,410 --> 00:54:09,450 but who was behind it? 1174 00:54:09,450 --> 00:54:11,630 Thankfully the United States has a law called 1175 00:54:11,630 --> 00:54:14,950 the Freedom Of Information Act, or FOIA, 1176 00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:17,140 which allows the general public to gain access 1177 00:54:17,140 --> 00:54:18,820 to government documents. 1178 00:54:18,820 --> 00:54:20,980 - We filed a Freedom of Information Act 1179 00:54:20,980 --> 00:54:22,070 when we were in Ravalli County 1180 00:54:22,070 --> 00:54:23,910 when we walked in to pick it up. 1181 00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:28,240 It was 5,000 pages of double-sided printed papers. 1182 00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:32,560 Boom, on the counter that'll be $1300. 1183 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,540 So we paid it and it turned out 1184 00:54:34,540 --> 00:54:37,480 to be the best $1300 I ever spent, 1185 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:38,690 because now, 1186 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,230 I know how they're doing things 1187 00:54:41,230 --> 00:54:44,820 behind the scenes, and it's pretty dirty. 1188 00:54:44,820 --> 00:54:46,410 I feel like there's some corruption going on, 1189 00:54:46,410 --> 00:54:50,250 I think there's some kind of behind the scenes dealings 1190 00:54:50,250 --> 00:54:51,430 going on right now, 1191 00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:53,000 that we're unaware of. 1192 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,210 We've had strings of e-mails where they were trying 1193 00:54:56,210 --> 00:54:57,660 to make ads. 1194 00:54:57,660 --> 00:55:00,710 They're going back and forth between one of these employees 1195 00:55:00,710 --> 00:55:04,200 at the health department with a media company. 1196 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,030 She says in here, 1197 00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:07,020 "Hey Laureline, thanks for the sample images. 1198 00:55:07,020 --> 00:55:09,470 If you could just alter labels of the vape juices 1199 00:55:09,470 --> 00:55:11,700 to portray toxicity that'd be great. 1200 00:55:11,700 --> 00:55:14,180 You could show a mod bean filled with antifreeze. 1201 00:55:14,180 --> 00:55:16,290 Below are a couple of photos of vape flavors 1202 00:55:16,290 --> 00:55:17,410 with vape around them. 1203 00:55:17,410 --> 00:55:20,790 I can alter those labels to for a nasty ingredients." 1204 00:55:20,790 --> 00:55:23,910 Is it reaching to show a young person on a respirator 1205 00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:28,010 with an asthma inhaler with vaping isn't harmless. 1206 00:55:28,010 --> 00:55:30,030 We could do shots of kids vaping 1207 00:55:30,030 --> 00:55:32,710 and shots with them with inhalers. 1208 00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:34,540 This was from Jen McFarland, 1209 00:55:34,540 --> 00:55:37,160 she works for the Gallatin County Health Department. 1210 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,460 They're saying, "alter the labels, make the kids 1211 00:55:39,460 --> 00:55:40,540 think they're horrible." 1212 00:55:40,540 --> 00:55:42,920 And they're lying about it. 1213 00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:44,340 - There are a lot of different sources 1214 00:55:44,340 --> 00:55:47,610 of information that kind of are blurring together 1215 00:55:47,610 --> 00:55:49,790 and amplifying to all of this. 1216 00:55:49,790 --> 00:55:53,160 - I was involved in a lot of underground activism, 1217 00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,740 and now, I mean, I do a little bit of that. 1218 00:55:55,740 --> 00:55:57,940 But there are other people who they're doing 1219 00:55:57,940 --> 00:56:01,170 that full-time and I can really devote my energies 1220 00:56:01,170 --> 00:56:04,100 to continuing to build the knowledge base, 1221 00:56:04,100 --> 00:56:06,430 and as one friend of mine described 1222 00:56:06,430 --> 00:56:09,360 that we make the rocks that we hand to the people to throw. 1223 00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,120 - Nicotine is as addictive as heroin. 1224 00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:13,730 - Nicotine is highly addictive 1225 00:56:13,730 --> 00:56:16,850 and can cause loss of control. 1226 00:56:16,850 --> 00:56:18,620 - Let's start with just nicotine itself. 1227 00:56:18,620 --> 00:56:20,570 We know that nicotine is extremely addictive. 1228 00:56:20,570 --> 00:56:22,340 - And nicotine is so addictive. 1229 00:56:22,340 --> 00:56:23,780 Don't forget, nicotine is one 1230 00:56:23,780 --> 00:56:26,470 of the most addictive substances out there. 1231 00:56:31,890 --> 00:56:33,200 Is nicotine equally addictive 1232 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,610 in all forms of views? 1233 00:56:34,610 --> 00:56:35,440 - Yes. 1234 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,840 - It's just not true. 1235 00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,130 It's not true if you look at the objective evidence, 1236 00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:44,530 nicotine by itself is not very reinforcing. 1237 00:56:44,530 --> 00:56:49,150 - Nicotine effects depend on the delivery system. 1238 00:56:49,150 --> 00:56:52,880 So the cigarette, really, we shouldn't be saying nicotine 1239 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:53,710 in this context. 1240 00:56:53,710 --> 00:56:55,830 We should be saying nicotine in a cigarette. 1241 00:56:55,830 --> 00:56:58,350 - I can tell you that nicotine patches aren't addictive. 1242 00:56:58,350 --> 00:57:00,150 Why do I know that? 1243 00:57:00,150 --> 00:57:02,710 Because they're sold over the counter in every drugstore 1244 00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:07,460 in this country, and no one buys them for fun, okay. 1245 00:57:07,460 --> 00:57:11,100 Now kids aren't trading nicotine patches on the playground, 1246 00:57:11,100 --> 00:57:12,610 because it's not reinforcing. 1247 00:57:12,610 --> 00:57:15,480 Nicotine directly administered to the bloodstream 1248 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,370 is not a fun drug. 1249 00:57:17,370 --> 00:57:18,910 - We do not have a problem 1250 00:57:18,910 --> 00:57:22,400 of seeing the users taking too much 1251 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,040 and chewing up all their gums or taking more patches 1252 00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,450 than necessary. 1253 00:57:27,450 --> 00:57:31,400 The problem is actually to get them to take enough 1254 00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,490 and for a long time enough. 1255 00:57:33,490 --> 00:57:35,760 Whenever I hear the word addiction, 1256 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,100 I picture someone on the floor passed from a drug overdose, 1257 00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:41,440 or my high school teacher who died 1258 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,200 from alcohol related heart problems 1259 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,970 after a life of struggling with cigarettes and alcoholism. 1260 00:57:46,970 --> 00:57:49,420 Addiction is a serious problem. 1261 00:57:49,420 --> 00:57:52,190 - I am a licensed clinical psychologist 1262 00:57:52,190 --> 00:57:56,190 and I've treated severe addictions for many, many years 1263 00:57:56,190 --> 00:57:59,750 in an outpatient and inpatient psychiatric hospital. 1264 00:57:59,750 --> 00:58:02,670 Addiction is a tricky word, 1265 00:58:02,670 --> 00:58:05,730 and unfortunately we use it very loosely, 1266 00:58:05,730 --> 00:58:08,330 so it can mean a severe addiction, 1267 00:58:08,330 --> 00:58:11,480 like hooked on methamphetamine to the point 1268 00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,270 where almost nothing else matters in your life, 1269 00:58:14,270 --> 00:58:17,400 and you go into a downward spiral where all you care 1270 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,460 about is getting your next fix. 1271 00:58:19,460 --> 00:58:21,260 And to me that's a true addiction 1272 00:58:21,260 --> 00:58:24,550 that has massive, harmful consequences. 1273 00:58:24,550 --> 00:58:26,490 Given the research that the FDA reviewed 1274 00:58:26,490 --> 00:58:28,960 before approving nicotine patches and gums, 1275 00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,470 and the experience in Sweden with Snus, 1276 00:58:31,470 --> 00:58:34,250 the lifelong use of nicotine itself does not seem 1277 00:58:34,250 --> 00:58:36,420 to fit the definition of addiction 1278 00:58:36,420 --> 00:58:39,040 any more than lifelong use of caffeine. 1279 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,810 However, if it's not addictive why do some people use it 1280 00:58:42,810 --> 00:58:44,450 for their entire lives? 1281 00:58:44,450 --> 00:58:46,520 That feels like an addiction. 1282 00:58:47,730 --> 00:58:51,050 - To get rats to become regular responders 1283 00:58:51,050 --> 00:58:53,220 to nicotine on a lever, 1284 00:58:53,220 --> 00:58:58,220 you need to make them either very hungry for example, 1285 00:58:59,460 --> 00:59:03,870 or you make them anxious with electrical shock 1286 00:59:03,870 --> 00:59:05,410 in their tail or something, 1287 00:59:05,410 --> 00:59:08,730 then they are more likely to take the nicotine 1288 00:59:08,730 --> 00:59:11,460 - So it's not like heroin, or cocaine, or opiates 1289 00:59:11,460 --> 00:59:14,390 that rats will do anything for. 1290 00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:16,070 - If they do not seem to have any 1291 00:59:16,070 --> 00:59:18,590 of these troubles and problems, 1292 00:59:18,590 --> 00:59:22,970 they are less motivated to take nicotine. 1293 00:59:22,970 --> 00:59:24,860 So that might have similarities 1294 00:59:24,860 --> 00:59:29,860 to what kind of people today become tobacco users. 1295 00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,120 Looking at available data, this all makes sense. 1296 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,220 The highest rates of nicotine users around the world 1297 00:59:37,220 --> 00:59:40,210 are found in societal groups facing significant issues 1298 00:59:40,210 --> 00:59:41,500 or hostility, 1299 00:59:41,500 --> 00:59:43,800 specifically Indigenous tribes, 1300 00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,730 the LGBTQ community, 1301 00:59:45,730 --> 00:59:47,630 and those with mental illness. 1302 00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:52,540 Often the users of nicotine products are ignored or shamed. 1303 00:59:52,540 --> 00:59:55,600 It feels like their voices get lost. 1304 00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,930 So we talked to a couple people who use nicotine 1305 00:59:57,930 --> 01:00:00,240 to get their perspective on this. 1306 01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:01,750 - If you have home problems 1307 01:00:01,750 --> 01:00:03,890 or other things going on in your life, 1308 01:00:03,890 --> 01:00:05,040 that it definitely. 1309 01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:06,180 Once you start using it, 1310 01:00:06,180 --> 01:00:07,990 it's definitely much more appealing. 1311 01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:11,200 So if you have something hard going on, 1312 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:12,550 and you're trying to get through things, 1313 01:00:12,550 --> 01:00:14,160 it definitely helps if you've got something like that. 1314 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,220 - When I was younger struggling with mental illness, 1315 01:00:17,220 --> 01:00:19,680 I turned to anything that would make me feel different, 1316 01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:23,820 and cigarettes was probably one of the first things. 1317 01:00:23,820 --> 01:00:26,190 I struggled in the beginning with wanting to quit cigarettes 1318 01:00:26,190 --> 01:00:28,240 because I heard of how bad it is, 1319 01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,030 the cancer scares and all that stuff. 1320 01:00:30,030 --> 01:00:32,180 And as soon as vaping hit the scene, 1321 01:00:32,180 --> 01:00:35,600 I was so excited to find a healthier alternative, 1322 01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,600 and I wanted to also just quit nicotine in general 1323 01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:39,660 and just taper off, 1324 01:00:39,660 --> 01:00:43,690 and then I did more research on why people 1325 01:00:43,690 --> 01:00:46,680 with mental illness actually enjoy nicotine so much. 1326 01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:47,610 There's all these studies saying 1327 01:00:47,610 --> 01:00:49,260 it actually helps your brain, 1328 01:00:49,260 --> 01:00:50,090 it helps you calm down, 1329 01:00:50,090 --> 01:00:51,340 it's for like Alzheimer's, 1330 01:00:51,340 --> 01:00:53,630 and I will probably use nicotine for life. 1331 01:00:53,630 --> 01:00:55,870 - Some people may not be able to give it up 1332 01:00:55,870 --> 01:00:58,460 not because they don't have the control, 1333 01:00:58,460 --> 01:01:00,300 and it's an addiction. 1334 01:01:00,300 --> 01:01:03,020 And everybody beats themselves over the head, 1335 01:01:03,020 --> 01:01:04,780 "Why don't I have the willpower? 1336 01:01:04,780 --> 01:01:06,280 Why am I so addicted? 1337 01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,310 Why can't I quit?" 1338 01:01:08,310 --> 01:01:12,550 And the reason may be because your brain likes nicotine 1339 01:01:12,550 --> 01:01:13,710 and wants to use it. 1340 01:01:13,710 --> 01:01:16,880 - Now the problem with just giving it to everybody, 1341 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,540 is that it turns out that nicotinic functioning 1342 01:01:20,540 --> 01:01:23,760 is on an upside-down U-shaped function. 1343 01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,570 So if you're already functioning up at the top here 1344 01:01:27,570 --> 01:01:28,400 of the curve, 1345 01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:33,200 then I stimulate you with nicotine, 1346 01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,600 you'll just actually get impaired. 1347 01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,170 If you're already functioning well, 1348 01:01:37,170 --> 01:01:38,600 nicotine isn't gonna help. 1349 01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,490 But if you're functioning at the bottom of the curve, 1350 01:01:42,420 --> 01:01:44,020 you're all the way down here, 1351 01:01:44,020 --> 01:01:45,490 and now I stimulate, 1352 01:01:45,490 --> 01:01:48,300 I push your nicotinic functioning this way, 1353 01:01:48,300 --> 01:01:50,280 you'll go up towards the top. 1354 01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,280 So far, it seems like there are good reasons 1355 01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:53,110 to use it, 1356 01:01:53,110 --> 01:01:55,110 but some reasons not to. 1357 01:01:55,110 --> 01:01:57,210 If your brain is functioning at full capacity 1358 01:01:57,210 --> 01:01:59,510 without major distractions or illness, 1359 01:01:59,510 --> 01:02:02,840 it appears to lower your ability for the brain to function. 1360 01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,730 It's also not a good idea for most people 1361 01:02:04,730 --> 01:02:07,350 to use it while going through adolescent brain development. 1362 01:02:07,350 --> 01:02:10,990 The same goes for caffeine, alcohol, or sugar. 1363 01:02:10,990 --> 01:02:13,680 They all affect how the brain develops. 1364 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,480 That's a few good reasons why most people should not go out 1365 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,940 and buy a bunch of nicotine patches right after the movie. 1366 01:02:19,940 --> 01:02:21,530 Another reason that some people give 1367 01:02:21,530 --> 01:02:23,520 for why clean nicotine is bad, 1368 01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:24,940 is because it might get people 1369 01:02:24,940 --> 01:02:26,710 to start smoking cigarettes 1370 01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:29,600 which are very dangerous to long term health. 1371 01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,380 They call this the gateway effect. 1372 01:02:32,380 --> 01:02:34,730 - So much research has shown that using e-cigarettes, 1373 01:02:34,730 --> 01:02:36,570 it's actually a gateway to smoking, 1374 01:02:36,570 --> 01:02:38,690 - Watch the vape here we go. - Okay. 1375 01:02:38,690 --> 01:02:41,220 - Boom, if you vape you're more likely 1376 01:02:41,220 --> 01:02:42,490 to start smoking cigarettes. 1377 01:02:42,490 --> 01:02:44,080 - It's the fact that it is a gateway 1378 01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:45,930 to traditional cigarette use. 1379 01:02:45,930 --> 01:02:47,020 If this is true, 1380 01:02:47,020 --> 01:02:48,290 that would be a major reason 1381 01:02:48,290 --> 01:02:50,460 to never start using nicotine. 1382 01:02:50,460 --> 01:02:53,370 Smoking is simply not worth it because the chemicals 1383 01:02:53,370 --> 01:02:56,250 in the smoke are proven to lead to higher risk of stroke, 1384 01:02:56,250 --> 01:02:58,770 heart disease, and cancer. 1385 01:02:58,770 --> 01:03:02,130 While in Montana, we met a popular YouTuber named Matt Kelly 1386 01:03:02,130 --> 01:03:04,590 who got mouth cancer from smoking. 1387 01:03:04,590 --> 01:03:08,150 - When I was 30, I got squamous cell carcinoma on my lip. 1388 01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:10,910 Basically right where a cigarette, 1389 01:03:10,910 --> 01:03:12,210 that my cigarette would hit. 1390 01:03:12,210 --> 01:03:17,210 After I had oral cancer and then had surgery and stuff, 1391 01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,420 I didn't smoke again for a few months, 1392 01:03:20,420 --> 01:03:22,480 and then something comes up, 1393 01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:23,790 and you get stressed out, 1394 01:03:23,790 --> 01:03:25,070 and you reach for that cigarette. 1395 01:03:25,070 --> 01:03:29,900 And around then was when I got my first gas station vape, 1396 01:03:29,900 --> 01:03:32,790 and that was just enough to like intrigue me into thinking, 1397 01:03:32,790 --> 01:03:35,580 "Okay, there's gotta be something to this here." 1398 01:03:35,580 --> 01:03:38,440 And that's when I started researching online 1399 01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,730 and realizing that there was a whole new world 1400 01:03:41,730 --> 01:03:45,910 of products out there that was the ticket to quit long term, 1401 01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:47,880 and I haven't had a cigarette 1402 01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:49,940 in I think almost seven years now. 1403 01:03:49,940 --> 01:03:52,040 I mean, it's one of the most effective tools 1404 01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:53,980 for people to get off cigarettes. 1405 01:03:53,980 --> 01:03:56,010 As the risks of nicotine use went down 1406 01:03:56,010 --> 01:03:58,500 with new safer nicotine delivery methods, 1407 01:03:58,500 --> 01:04:01,510 the use of nicotine among teens went up. 1408 01:04:01,510 --> 01:04:05,100 We saw Wells Fargo analyst Bonnie Herzog speak about this. 1409 01:04:05,100 --> 01:04:07,620 Smoking is dead. 1410 01:04:07,620 --> 01:04:09,140 But a new problem is here. 1411 01:04:09,140 --> 01:04:13,440 - As innovation keeps hopefully coming to the marketplace, 1412 01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,290 I would imagine that that could accelerate in the future. 1413 01:04:17,820 --> 01:04:19,780 I thought this quote the last one at the bottom 1414 01:04:19,780 --> 01:04:20,900 of this slide if you guys can see 1415 01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:22,310 in the back was interesting. 1416 01:04:22,310 --> 01:04:25,440 The Gen Z which my God they're young, 1417 01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:29,130 they're not smoking, retails are too high. 1418 01:04:29,130 --> 01:04:31,330 This retailer said pricing power is dead 1419 01:04:31,330 --> 01:04:33,180 and people are moving to vape. 1420 01:04:33,180 --> 01:04:35,150 - So obviously, it's not a good thing 1421 01:04:35,150 --> 01:04:39,670 that a kid is starting on nicotine at that early age, 1422 01:04:39,670 --> 01:04:42,440 but then they throw out these other arguments 1423 01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,580 that it's like it's a gateway to smoking. 1424 01:04:45,580 --> 01:04:47,450 - You see on on the news, 1425 01:04:47,450 --> 01:04:51,090 or the news shows, or whatever significant numbers 1426 01:04:51,090 --> 01:04:53,210 of new users that there was an epidemic, 1427 01:04:53,210 --> 01:04:57,350 so new users among the youth population. 1428 01:04:57,350 --> 01:04:58,950 That may be true, 1429 01:04:58,950 --> 01:05:01,060 but they didn't give us the whole story. 1430 01:05:01,060 --> 01:05:02,610 We're still kind of digging 1431 01:05:02,610 --> 01:05:05,220 into the what the numbers actually really tell us. 1432 01:05:05,220 --> 01:05:09,310 So for example, are these new users 1433 01:05:09,310 --> 01:05:13,000 like as in they've never used any nicotine product before? 1434 01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,900 Or are they people who've tried smoking, 1435 01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:18,630 but now are using vapor products? 1436 01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:22,790 And none of that was actually provided to the public. 1437 01:05:22,790 --> 01:05:26,540 So we downloaded the data from the CDC, 1438 01:05:26,540 --> 01:05:29,060 the short story is that I can tell you yes, 1439 01:05:29,060 --> 01:05:34,060 there's an increase in nicotine naive youth 1440 01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,700 who are using vapor products, 1441 01:05:37,700 --> 01:05:42,410 but the vast majority of new users are among kids 1442 01:05:42,410 --> 01:05:44,180 who've already tried cigarettes. 1443 01:05:44,180 --> 01:05:46,230 - The only way that it's gonna be a gateway 1444 01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:51,230 is if they severely limit access to vaping 1445 01:05:51,630 --> 01:05:55,470 for people and then they eventually go to cigarettes. 1446 01:05:55,470 --> 01:06:00,320 The vaping experience is like a very fine steak like 1447 01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,390 a filet or something. 1448 01:06:02,390 --> 01:06:06,670 Why would you go backwards to the inferior way 1449 01:06:06,670 --> 01:06:07,600 of using it? 1450 01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,130 Well, one way to get people 1451 01:06:09,130 --> 01:06:12,710 to not want nicotine is to call it poison. 1452 01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:15,100 - An attempt to hook a new generation 1453 01:06:16,140 --> 01:06:19,800 to the poisonous product of nicotine. 1454 01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,110 Leno's bill is sponsored 1455 01:06:21,110 --> 01:06:24,900 by the American Cancer Society's Cancer Action Network. 1456 01:06:24,900 --> 01:06:27,540 It is true that nicotine is a poison. 1457 01:06:27,540 --> 01:06:30,250 Plants use it to defend against insects. 1458 01:06:30,250 --> 01:06:32,810 However, most things are poisonous if taken 1459 01:06:32,810 --> 01:06:34,250 in the wrong quantity. 1460 01:06:34,250 --> 01:06:37,750 As the saying goes, "The dose makes the poison". 1461 01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:40,210 Surprisingly, even caffeine is fairly deadly 1462 01:06:40,210 --> 01:06:43,350 in small amounts if taken in a pure form. 1463 01:06:43,350 --> 01:06:46,320 But how come there are so few deaths from nicotine? 1464 01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,200 We went to Austria to find out. 1465 01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:49,920 At the University of Graz, 1466 01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,680 we met a medical scientist named Bernd Mayer 1467 01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,400 who had done the work for us. 1468 01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:59,270 - Many decades smoking was by far the most frequent 1469 01:06:59,270 --> 01:07:00,980 form of nicotine use. 1470 01:07:00,980 --> 01:07:02,980 And so nicotine was blamed in fact, 1471 01:07:02,980 --> 01:07:04,560 for the effects of smoking, 1472 01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,130 what's not true, yeah, 1473 01:07:06,130 --> 01:07:08,800 but still then nicotine is a toxic compound, 1474 01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,070 it's easier to warn from smoking. 1475 01:07:12,070 --> 01:07:14,720 At some point, the question was raised 1476 01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,650 about the toxicity of nicotine 1477 01:07:16,650 --> 01:07:19,870 and everybody was referring to a lethal dose 1478 01:07:19,870 --> 01:07:23,440 that you find in textbooks, some toxicity data sheets, 1479 01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,370 it was circular references, 1480 01:07:25,370 --> 01:07:29,240 and nobody could tell me why the hell do we know 1481 01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,740 that 60 milligrams of nicotine orally ingested 1482 01:07:32,740 --> 01:07:33,990 will kill an adult. 1483 01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:36,230 So I started to research and I went back 1484 01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:38,200 in history further and further, 1485 01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:39,770 there were no references, 1486 01:07:39,770 --> 01:07:44,770 and then suddenly I discovered one paper published in 1933. 1487 01:07:45,070 --> 01:07:48,420 And they mentioned this 60 milligram dose, 1488 01:07:48,420 --> 01:07:50,850 and in brackets they wrote, Corbett, 1489 01:07:50,850 --> 01:07:53,540 and he referred to a report from somebody else 1490 01:07:53,540 --> 01:07:56,560 from a pharmacologist in Vienna. 1491 01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:58,540 And he had assistants 1492 01:07:58,540 --> 01:08:00,930 who did self-experiments with nicotine, 1493 01:08:00,930 --> 01:08:04,920 and they self-ingested nicotine and reported the symptoms, 1494 01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,000 and this was done in about 1850. 1495 01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,590 And there were a huge amount of symptoms 1496 01:08:10,590 --> 01:08:12,200 with a small amount of nicotine, 1497 01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:13,660 and they got unconscious, 1498 01:08:13,660 --> 01:08:15,150 they get seizures, and whatever. 1499 01:08:15,150 --> 01:08:19,070 They simply miscalculated the amount of nicotine they took. 1500 01:08:19,070 --> 01:08:20,640 And based on this report, 1501 01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:24,510 Rudolph Corbett 50 years later estimated the lethal dose, 1502 01:08:24,510 --> 01:08:27,030 so it was a very unsure estimate. 1503 01:08:27,030 --> 01:08:28,600 And this was cited in the journal, 1504 01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:29,820 this was all in German, of course, 1505 01:08:29,820 --> 01:08:32,670 German literature until World War II, 1506 01:08:32,670 --> 01:08:34,740 and then everything changed. 1507 01:08:34,740 --> 01:08:38,220 The scientific language changed from German to English, 1508 01:08:38,220 --> 01:08:39,950 and the source was lost. 1509 01:08:39,950 --> 01:08:43,050 Nobody cited anymore, but they just copied this value. 1510 01:08:43,050 --> 01:08:44,720 It's a funny story isn't it? 1511 01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,700 It's like a history crime story. 1512 01:08:48,700 --> 01:08:51,250 Obviously, 60 milligrams isn't deadly. 1513 01:08:51,250 --> 01:08:52,790 That's the amount of nicotine found 1514 01:08:52,790 --> 01:08:55,710 in roughly half a pack in nicotine chewing gum 1515 01:08:55,710 --> 01:08:57,510 at the local grocery store. 1516 01:08:57,510 --> 01:09:01,040 However, we still wanted to know how deadly is it. 1517 01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,970 - I did some research on actual fatal 1518 01:09:03,970 --> 01:09:07,470 or non-fatal nicotine poisonings, 1519 01:09:07,470 --> 01:09:10,360 and I estimated the correct daily dose, 1520 01:09:11,630 --> 01:09:14,770 and my calculations ended up with a value of one gram, 1521 01:09:14,770 --> 01:09:18,140 and to be on the safe side I split them to half, 1522 01:09:18,140 --> 01:09:19,090 and I said it's 0.5 1523 01:09:20,020 --> 01:09:23,070 until one gram of nicotine orally ingested 1524 01:09:23,070 --> 01:09:24,480 in the absence of vomiting. 1525 01:09:24,480 --> 01:09:27,970 There was a public meeting of the FDA in the United States, 1526 01:09:27,970 --> 01:09:32,420 and Neal Benowitz who's famous research in the field 1527 01:09:32,420 --> 01:09:34,340 was asked by somebody from the audience 1528 01:09:34,340 --> 01:09:38,270 whether my estimate is reasonable or not, 1529 01:09:38,270 --> 01:09:41,480 and Benowitz said, "Yes" he thinks it's reasonable. 1530 01:09:41,480 --> 01:09:42,710 And from then on, 1531 01:09:42,710 --> 01:09:46,910 actually the experts have accepted my estimate. 1532 01:09:46,910 --> 01:09:49,600 In reality, much higher amounts have survived. 1533 01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,800 I found one case where a guy tried to make suicide 1534 01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:56,640 with four grams of nicotine and he still survived. 1535 01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,470 Four grams of nicotine is equivalent 1536 01:09:58,470 --> 01:10:02,200 to 1,000 pieces of common nicotine chewing gum, 1537 01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,980 not recommended to use that much at one time, 1538 01:10:04,980 --> 01:10:07,170 but it's worth noting that nicotine is unique 1539 01:10:07,170 --> 01:10:10,380 in that it signals to the body when it's had enough. 1540 01:10:10,380 --> 01:10:12,620 This is why some people feel sick to their stomach 1541 01:10:12,620 --> 01:10:14,940 when they use too much the first time. 1542 01:10:14,940 --> 01:10:16,930 It's also why people usually aren't able to die 1543 01:10:16,930 --> 01:10:20,310 from nicotine poisoning unless they inject it. 1544 01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:22,300 They vomit first. 1545 01:10:22,300 --> 01:10:23,550 - The State of California 1546 01:10:23,550 --> 01:10:26,570 has a great public education campaign going on right now 1547 01:10:26,570 --> 01:10:30,080 and the tag is "Nicotine Equal Brain Poison". 1548 01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,490 And one of the things I particularly liked 1549 01:10:32,490 --> 01:10:35,070 is the equal sign is two Juuls. 1550 01:10:35,070 --> 01:10:36,690 - Nicotine harms brain development 1551 01:10:36,690 --> 01:10:38,890 and result in long term consequences. 1552 01:10:38,890 --> 01:10:42,730 - Number two, changes the brain, impairs cognitive function. 1553 01:10:42,730 --> 01:10:45,780 - There's a very strong meta analysis 1554 01:10:45,780 --> 01:10:48,790 which puts all the best studies together, 1555 01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:52,770 and it shows unequivocally that nicotine improves alertness, 1556 01:10:52,770 --> 01:10:55,340 concentration, mood, and memory. 1557 01:10:55,340 --> 01:10:57,970 It's a form of self-medication. 1558 01:10:57,970 --> 01:10:59,300 Some people may use it 1559 01:10:59,300 --> 01:11:01,360 because it makes their brains work better, 1560 01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,960 and that is another argument for why you need 1561 01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,620 to find a less harmful form. 1562 01:11:06,620 --> 01:11:08,460 If we truly want our loved ones and neighbors 1563 01:11:08,460 --> 01:11:11,410 to quit smoking and allow them to switch to using nicotine 1564 01:11:11,410 --> 01:11:14,700 in much safer forms; like Snus, patches, 1565 01:11:14,700 --> 01:11:18,530 vapor technology, gums, or other ways to take nicotine, 1566 01:11:18,530 --> 01:11:20,230 then we as a society need 1567 01:11:20,230 --> 01:11:22,740 to reject the slick marketing campaigns relying 1568 01:11:22,740 --> 01:11:24,150 on doubt and fear, 1569 01:11:24,150 --> 01:11:27,940 and we need to demand clear communication instead. 1570 01:11:27,940 --> 01:11:31,550 Clean forms of nicotine do not cause people to smoke 1571 01:11:31,550 --> 01:11:33,710 unless smoking is the only option, 1572 01:11:33,710 --> 01:11:35,900 or safer options are taken away. 1573 01:11:35,900 --> 01:11:36,820 In countries where people 1574 01:11:36,820 --> 01:11:39,040 are using popular nicotine alternatives, 1575 01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,950 the smoking rates have dropped dramatically in recent years. 1576 01:11:41,950 --> 01:11:45,130 In Norway, they allowed Swedish Snus to be imported 1577 01:11:45,130 --> 01:11:48,220 and now have less than 1% of women smoking cigarettes. 1578 01:11:48,220 --> 01:11:51,130 Iceland has experienced a similar revolution. 1579 01:11:51,130 --> 01:11:53,340 Australia bans most user friendly ways 1580 01:11:53,340 --> 01:11:55,950 to get nicotine besides cigarettes. 1581 01:11:55,950 --> 01:11:59,180 Their rationale, it's a poison. 1582 01:11:59,180 --> 01:12:00,470 In addition to pride, 1583 01:12:00,470 --> 01:12:03,120 money is also a powerful motivator. 1584 01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:04,890 This is rarely discussed in public 1585 01:12:04,890 --> 01:12:07,210 or acknowledged by misguided experts. 1586 01:12:07,210 --> 01:12:09,140 So we went to an old friend who worked 1587 01:12:09,140 --> 01:12:11,060 on the inside for decades. 1588 01:12:11,060 --> 01:12:13,750 Former Winston man, David Goerlitz. 1589 01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:15,900 - So when I quit smoking it was a big deal for me 1590 01:12:15,900 --> 01:12:20,420 because having made a lot of money from tobacco industry, 1591 01:12:20,420 --> 01:12:23,870 having been a smoker my brother was dying of cancer, 1592 01:12:23,870 --> 01:12:27,690 and I had to make a decision and I did in November of 1988. 1593 01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:29,920 It was probably one of the toughest things I ever did 1594 01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,700 because I didn't know how to quit. 1595 01:12:31,700 --> 01:12:35,390 I really saw very quickly within like 72 hours 1596 01:12:35,390 --> 01:12:39,700 that I was gonna be needed by the anti-smoking industry. 1597 01:12:39,700 --> 01:12:41,110 American Cancer Society, 1598 01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:43,140 American Lung, American Heart, 1599 01:12:43,140 --> 01:12:45,770 Matt Meyers from the campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, 1600 01:12:45,770 --> 01:12:49,010 all these usual suspects that we now hear of today, 1601 01:12:49,010 --> 01:12:53,560 they saw me as a resource to now get a real hook 1602 01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:55,920 against Big Tobacco and I was their guy, 1603 01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,730 and I went on every talk show circuit. 1604 01:12:58,730 --> 01:13:00,110 I went with Stanton Glantz. 1605 01:13:00,110 --> 01:13:02,350 I was doing all these tours all over the world. 1606 01:13:02,350 --> 01:13:03,910 I didn't make the connection 1607 01:13:03,910 --> 01:13:06,040 as to how sociologically this was going 1608 01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,410 to impact not only Big Tobacco, 1609 01:13:08,410 --> 01:13:10,240 but also the people who are now fighting it 1610 01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:12,890 because there was so much money to be made 1611 01:13:12,890 --> 01:13:16,070 which wasn't anywhere near as big as it is today. 1612 01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:18,000 We're talking billions of dollars here. 1613 01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,160 The anti-smoking and now anti-nicotine lobby, 1614 01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:23,720 gets significant funding from marketing campaigns 1615 01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:26,600 and lobbying from pharmaceutical companies donors, 1616 01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,870 like Michael Bloomberg and taxes on cigarettes. 1617 01:13:29,870 --> 01:13:31,830 This money is paid to media outlets 1618 01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:34,420 which are often slow to report on emerging research 1619 01:13:34,420 --> 01:13:36,180 that hurts their clients. 1620 01:13:36,180 --> 01:13:38,270 It took decades for the news media to report 1621 01:13:38,270 --> 01:13:40,680 on the full dangers of smoking cigarettes. 1622 01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,010 A big percentage of their funding was coming 1623 01:13:43,010 --> 01:13:45,380 from cigarette companies. 1624 01:13:45,380 --> 01:13:47,810 Also, lobbying funds are often spent 1625 01:13:47,810 --> 01:13:49,940 to buy the time of former politicians 1626 01:13:49,940 --> 01:13:52,620 who have deep ties to current lawmakers. 1627 01:13:52,620 --> 01:13:54,860 Money buys enormous power. 1628 01:13:54,860 --> 01:13:57,600 - Cancer, lung, and heart was paying me $1,000 a day, 1629 01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,470 $1,000 a day to go to three programs 1630 01:13:59,470 --> 01:14:00,980 at a school out in California, 1631 01:14:00,980 --> 01:14:02,470 'cause that's where most of the money was coming in. 1632 01:14:02,470 --> 01:14:03,620 Then they use me in Wisconsin, 1633 01:14:03,620 --> 01:14:04,640 they use me in Texas, 1634 01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:05,470 they use me in Maine, 1635 01:14:05,470 --> 01:14:08,340 and they use in North Dakota, and then Florida. 1636 01:14:08,340 --> 01:14:10,420 So I was traveling 265 days a year 1637 01:14:10,420 --> 01:14:12,900 with the people who were making millions and billions 1638 01:14:12,900 --> 01:14:13,730 of dollars, 1639 01:14:13,730 --> 01:14:14,760 the American Cancer Society 1640 01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:16,220 is worth over a billion dollars, 1641 01:14:16,220 --> 01:14:18,090 the American Legacy Foundation 1642 01:14:18,090 --> 01:14:19,450 which is now the Truth Initiative, 1643 01:14:19,450 --> 01:14:21,230 they're all billion dollar industries, 1644 01:14:21,230 --> 01:14:22,630 and they're all non-profits. 1645 01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:24,240 How can you have a billion dollar 1646 01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,660 501c3 non-profit organization? 1647 01:14:26,660 --> 01:14:27,890 It doesn't make sense, 1648 01:14:27,890 --> 01:14:28,880 I can't grasp it. 1649 01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,000 Most of the public thinks 1650 01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:34,400 that these anti-nicotine charities are 501c3 organizations 1651 01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,900 which are not allowed to lobby for laws. 1652 01:14:36,900 --> 01:14:38,910 We were troubled to find out that some of them 1653 01:14:38,910 --> 01:14:42,030 are actually 501c4 organizations. 1654 01:14:42,030 --> 01:14:44,580 These are the type of organizations most political analysts 1655 01:14:44,580 --> 01:14:46,800 refer to as dark money groups. 1656 01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,550 These groups are not required to disclose their donors 1657 01:14:49,550 --> 01:14:51,880 and can take unlimited money from corporations 1658 01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:53,380 for lobbying purposes. 1659 01:14:53,380 --> 01:14:56,200 Two of these, the Tobacco-Free Kids Action Fund, 1660 01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:59,400 and the American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network, 1661 01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,100 received more than Then $50 million in 2018 1662 01:15:02,100 --> 01:15:05,470 that they could use for lobbying our elected officials 1663 01:15:05,470 --> 01:15:07,670 and elected officials around the world. 1664 01:15:07,670 --> 01:15:10,830 - I knew that I made a major mistake again. 1665 01:15:10,830 --> 01:15:13,100 I worked for Big Tobacco that was a mistake, 1666 01:15:13,100 --> 01:15:14,170 but I learned from it, 1667 01:15:14,170 --> 01:15:16,730 I became an anti-tobacco activist, 1668 01:15:16,730 --> 01:15:17,880 I learned from my mistakes, 1669 01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:19,870 'cause they are as corrupted and as greedy 1670 01:15:19,870 --> 01:15:21,700 as all of the people at Big Tobacco 1671 01:15:21,700 --> 01:15:23,050 and the big pharmaceuticals. 1672 01:15:23,050 --> 01:15:25,810 They wanted me to say things that I didn't really believe. 1673 01:15:25,810 --> 01:15:28,200 - In the FOIA document they were asking Missoula 1674 01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:30,370 how they got their ordinance done, 1675 01:15:30,370 --> 01:15:32,320 and we had to work really hard to dispel the myth 1676 01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,930 that vaping is safer than tobacco. 1677 01:15:34,930 --> 01:15:37,840 And she goes on to say, "I mean, well, what isn't safer 1678 01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:39,840 than smoking tobacco?" 1679 01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,700 And she said, "But we made it through with various science 1680 01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:43,610 and arguments, including application 1681 01:15:43,610 --> 01:15:46,180 of the precautionary principle." 1682 01:15:46,180 --> 01:15:48,920 So we need to pass this just in case it turns out 1683 01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:50,420 to be harmful we should do it. 1684 01:15:51,480 --> 01:15:53,410 She said, "I can help out on the front if you need it, 1685 01:15:53,410 --> 01:15:57,250 and MTCA, and MTUUP helped. 1686 01:15:57,250 --> 01:16:01,280 MTCA up front and the MTUPP behind the scenes." 1687 01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,070 So who funds the behind the scenes activities 1688 01:16:04,070 --> 01:16:06,960 of the Montana Tobacco Use Prevention Program? 1689 01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,220 One of these dark money organizations, 1690 01:16:09,220 --> 01:16:12,660 the American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network. 1691 01:16:12,660 --> 01:16:14,810 - They state we need to run this 1692 01:16:14,810 --> 01:16:17,410 through to American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network 1693 01:16:17,410 --> 01:16:19,120 before we do anything. 1694 01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,100 How powerful are these organizations 1695 01:16:21,100 --> 01:16:22,460 that are lobbying against the use 1696 01:16:22,460 --> 01:16:24,700 of safer nicotine products? 1697 01:16:24,700 --> 01:16:26,540 We talked to an elected member of parliament 1698 01:16:26,540 --> 01:16:29,180 and perhaps one of the most anti-nicotine countries 1699 01:16:29,180 --> 01:16:31,200 on the planet, Australia. 1700 01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:35,700 - If scientists could speak in a slightly plainer language, 1701 01:16:35,700 --> 01:16:36,990 that would be helpful, 1702 01:16:38,420 --> 01:16:41,210 and that would certainly be helpful for politicians. 1703 01:16:41,210 --> 01:16:44,180 Having said that you can put an enormous amount of evidence 1704 01:16:44,180 --> 01:16:46,010 in front of a politician. 1705 01:16:46,010 --> 01:16:50,450 But if they think that the cancer accounts 1706 01:16:50,450 --> 01:16:51,980 who's going to be cross with them 1707 01:16:51,980 --> 01:16:54,370 then they won't contradict them. 1708 01:16:54,370 --> 01:16:56,500 - So anytime they will write policies, 1709 01:16:56,500 --> 01:17:00,040 and they would say in there send it over to Kristin 1710 01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,880 at the Cancer Action Network so she can approve it. 1711 01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:06,030 They started with really small, easy counties 1712 01:17:06,030 --> 01:17:08,690 where there wasn't gonna be any kind of defense, 1713 01:17:08,690 --> 01:17:10,550 so that they can go back and say, 1714 01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:12,950 "Look, how many counties are doing this, 1715 01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:15,000 you need to pass it on a state level." 1716 01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:16,980 - And I'm not saying they were evil from beginning. 1717 01:17:16,980 --> 01:17:19,610 I'm saying their intentions were good, 1718 01:17:19,610 --> 01:17:20,650 like mine were, 1719 01:17:20,650 --> 01:17:22,470 but sometimes greed outweighs fear, 1720 01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:24,010 so therefore, you take shortcuts, 1721 01:17:24,010 --> 01:17:25,780 and you start doing things that you shouldn't do, 1722 01:17:25,780 --> 01:17:27,320 and I'm saying that's what they did. 1723 01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:28,370 Now, we know what we know, 1724 01:17:28,370 --> 01:17:29,230 and we have the facts, 1725 01:17:29,230 --> 01:17:31,220 we have the data, but we have liars. 1726 01:17:31,220 --> 01:17:33,300 Matt Meyers and these people 1727 01:17:33,300 --> 01:17:35,840 that I'm talking about from 30 years ago, 1728 01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:37,510 they were not evil people, 1729 01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:39,770 they were trying to find a way to do some good things. 1730 01:17:39,770 --> 01:17:41,730 Where are some of the other rebels 1731 01:17:41,730 --> 01:17:42,950 with you back in the day? 1732 01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:44,200 - Oh well, they're still around. 1733 01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,290 I mean, the people who got me involved 1734 01:17:46,290 --> 01:17:48,890 in the clean indoor air movement were a couple of lawyers. 1735 01:17:48,890 --> 01:17:50,650 - They were lawyers trying to fight, 1736 01:17:50,650 --> 01:17:52,650 they saw something here, 1737 01:17:52,650 --> 01:17:55,210 but they didn't see it to the extent that it became. 1738 01:17:55,210 --> 01:17:58,420 - I was so naive when I first started my shop, 1739 01:17:58,420 --> 01:18:02,220 and our first bill came up and we went up to Helena, 1740 01:18:02,220 --> 01:18:03,240 and I was so excited 1741 01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,990 that the cancer people were gonna be there heart, and lung, 1742 01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:07,940 and I was gonna tell them my story 1743 01:18:07,940 --> 01:18:10,670 how I was a three pack a day smoker, 1744 01:18:10,670 --> 01:18:12,200 and I was sick all the time. 1745 01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:15,030 And I tried everything over years and years to try to quit, 1746 01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:17,150 and this one I quit within days, 1747 01:18:17,150 --> 01:18:18,750 and I never touched another cigarette, 1748 01:18:18,750 --> 01:18:20,540 and I couldn't wait to tell her my story. 1749 01:18:20,540 --> 01:18:21,740 And I told her all that, 1750 01:18:21,740 --> 01:18:22,570 and I said you know, 1751 01:18:22,570 --> 01:18:24,210 and I this is why I opened my shop, 1752 01:18:24,210 --> 01:18:25,100 so that I can help others 1753 01:18:25,100 --> 01:18:26,750 in the community quit smoking too. 1754 01:18:26,750 --> 01:18:29,580 And my dream someday is that I get everybody 1755 01:18:29,580 --> 01:18:31,120 in the state of Montana to quit smoking, 1756 01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:32,270 and then I close my doors, 1757 01:18:32,270 --> 01:18:33,800 because everybody's done. 1758 01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:35,040 And she looked at me and she just said, 1759 01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:36,410 "Why don't you just close your doors now 1760 01:18:36,410 --> 01:18:37,910 and save everybody some time?" 1761 01:18:39,300 --> 01:18:40,950 Okay, I guess you're not with me. 1762 01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:44,710 Have you ever come across a reason 1763 01:18:44,710 --> 01:18:47,690 why the Cancer Action Network cares 1764 01:18:47,690 --> 01:18:48,870 about whether people are using nicotine 1765 01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:51,040 in essence that doesn't cause cancer. 1766 01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:52,950 Have you ever heard any reasoning for that? 1767 01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:54,050 You know, I , 1768 01:18:55,070 --> 01:18:57,810 no, I mean, the only thing that I would say 1769 01:18:57,810 --> 01:18:59,810 is because they're gonna lose a lot of money. 1770 01:18:59,810 --> 01:19:02,600 If everybody switched over to vaping and quit smoking, 1771 01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:04,010 there wouldn't be a lot of sickness, 1772 01:19:04,010 --> 01:19:07,730 there wouldn't be a reason to have a Cancer Action, 1773 01:19:07,730 --> 01:19:11,780 or American Cancer Society at least not as big as it is. 1774 01:19:11,780 --> 01:19:14,980 There was a certain lobbyist with the Cancer Action Network 1775 01:19:14,980 --> 01:19:17,300 that was always there. 1776 01:19:17,300 --> 01:19:19,600 From the beginning in 2015, 1777 01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:23,570 every single hearing that we ever went to this lobbyist 1778 01:19:23,570 --> 01:19:26,000 from the Cancer Action Network was there. 1779 01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,130 When we filed our Freedom of Information documents 1780 01:19:28,130 --> 01:19:30,450 with Gallatin County we specifically named her, 1781 01:19:30,450 --> 01:19:33,830 because we knew she was the key of everything 1782 01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:35,280 that was happening with us. 1783 01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:38,500 She's the one who they had to send everything 1784 01:19:38,500 --> 01:19:40,380 to have approval through her. 1785 01:19:40,380 --> 01:19:42,190 And when I did that, 1786 01:19:42,190 --> 01:19:44,970 and specifically asked for any communications 1787 01:19:44,970 --> 01:19:46,680 with her name on it, 1788 01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:49,870 she disappeared. 1789 01:19:49,870 --> 01:19:53,940 I have to wonder why would you hide. 1790 01:19:53,940 --> 01:19:56,020 And we started hearing troubling things like this 1791 01:19:56,020 --> 01:19:58,070 about health groups that are highly respected 1792 01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:59,550 by the general public. 1793 01:19:59,550 --> 01:20:02,440 We reached out to hear their side of the story. 1794 01:20:02,440 --> 01:20:06,660 However, one after another they declined to be interviewed. 1795 01:20:06,660 --> 01:20:09,140 They were indeed hiding. 1796 01:20:09,140 --> 01:20:10,740 This made us even more skeptical, 1797 01:20:10,740 --> 01:20:13,650 so we started digging into their financial reports. 1798 01:20:13,650 --> 01:20:16,340 Most of the groups pushing non-scientific information 1799 01:20:16,340 --> 01:20:18,850 to the general public and elected leaders, 1800 01:20:18,850 --> 01:20:22,500 are taking enormous amounts of funding from one source, 1801 01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:25,180 the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, 1802 01:20:25,180 --> 01:20:27,930 and their Tobacco-Free Kids Action Fund 1803 01:20:27,930 --> 01:20:31,020 which is a dark money political organization, 1804 01:20:31,020 --> 01:20:34,660 both are led by Matt Meyers, an attorney. 1805 01:20:34,660 --> 01:20:37,960 We don't know who funds the Tobacco-Free Kids Action Fund, 1806 01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,860 because it's designed to operate in the dark. 1807 01:20:40,860 --> 01:20:43,230 But we kept digging because groups as powerful 1808 01:20:43,230 --> 01:20:45,020 as Tobacco-Free Kids, 1809 01:20:45,020 --> 01:20:46,510 don't just operate on their own 1810 01:20:46,510 --> 01:20:48,400 without a lot of help. 1811 01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,090 Then, we found it. 1812 01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:52,210 Michael Bloomberg, 1813 01:20:52,210 --> 01:20:55,170 one of the richest men in the world was funding them. 1814 01:20:55,170 --> 01:20:57,310 He has donated over a billion dollars 1815 01:20:57,310 --> 01:20:59,110 to anti-nicotine efforts. 1816 01:20:59,110 --> 01:21:01,210 It turns out that he also funds activities 1817 01:21:01,210 --> 01:21:04,170 at the World Health Organization which bans the media 1818 01:21:04,170 --> 01:21:06,070 from their meetings about nicotine, 1819 01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:09,430 and applauds nations that prohibit safer nicotine products 1820 01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:12,450 while keeping deadly cigarettes on the shelves. 1821 01:21:12,450 --> 01:21:15,360 Bloomberg also funds the CDC Foundation. 1822 01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,910 When people started getting sick and dying in 2019, 1823 01:21:18,910 --> 01:21:21,560 the CDC blamed nicotine vapor products 1824 01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:24,770 instead of identifying illegal tainted THC products 1825 01:21:24,770 --> 01:21:26,680 as the real culprit. 1826 01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,380 The mainstream media which runs Bloomberg funded ads 1827 01:21:29,380 --> 01:21:30,800 against nicotine, 1828 01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:32,980 parroted the CDC's warning. 1829 01:21:32,980 --> 01:21:36,710 Elected officials lobbied by Bloomberg funded organizations, 1830 01:21:36,710 --> 01:21:41,000 use this confusion to push bans on safer nicotine products 1831 01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,680 while leaving cigarettes on the market. 1832 01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:46,630 People started to smoke cigarettes again. 1833 01:21:46,630 --> 01:21:48,330 Why is Michael Bloomberg funding 1834 01:21:48,330 --> 01:21:51,400 all these anti-nicotine organizations? 1835 01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:53,440 We tried to get interviews, 1836 01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:55,340 but they refused. 1837 01:21:55,340 --> 01:21:57,830 Just as editing of this film was wrapping up, 1838 01:21:57,830 --> 01:22:00,150 we made a chilling discovery. 1839 01:22:00,150 --> 01:22:02,220 A company tied to Michael Bloomberg, 1840 01:22:02,220 --> 01:22:06,190 invested in a new nicotine vapor device called Hale. 1841 01:22:06,190 --> 01:22:09,910 As of 2020, they're working toward FDA approval. 1842 01:22:09,910 --> 01:22:14,370 It looks like a flash drive, sleek, modern, uses flavors. 1843 01:22:14,370 --> 01:22:15,760 It contains nicotine. 1844 01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:18,950 This sounds very familiar. 1845 01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:20,450 The harsh legislation pushed 1846 01:22:20,450 --> 01:22:22,130 by the Bloomberg funded lobbyists 1847 01:22:22,130 --> 01:22:23,810 and their fear campaigns, 1848 01:22:23,810 --> 01:22:25,560 will put all the small shops out 1849 01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:26,930 of business that helped more 1850 01:22:26,930 --> 01:22:30,060 than 50 million people stop smoking worldwide. 1851 01:22:30,060 --> 01:22:31,960 It has created a regulatory environment 1852 01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:34,950 where only the wealthiest people will be able to play. 1853 01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:37,740 The wealthy people can own nicotine businesses, 1854 01:22:37,740 --> 01:22:41,650 and fund dark money organizations that change public opinion 1855 01:22:41,650 --> 01:22:43,790 to match their own worldview. 1856 01:22:43,790 --> 01:22:46,220 That's why we think they're hiding. 1857 01:22:46,220 --> 01:22:48,840 Hopefully, someone with more power can dig even deeper 1858 01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:50,550 to get the full answer. 1859 01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:51,930 - I just think that we're at a point now 1860 01:22:51,930 --> 01:22:54,200 where these people need to be called out on the carpet, 1861 01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:56,620 and asked to explain why they have some 1862 01:22:56,620 --> 01:22:58,180 of their philosophies that they do have 1863 01:22:58,180 --> 01:22:59,890 on something that everybody else 1864 01:22:59,890 --> 01:23:02,740 and a lot of the world thinks is beneficial. 1865 01:23:02,740 --> 01:23:04,000 - As we looked around at interviews 1866 01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:07,080 with experts in Asia, Africa, and Europe, 1867 01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:09,620 it was clear that their voices were being drowned out 1868 01:23:09,620 --> 01:23:12,600 by the voices of a few American billionaires. 1869 01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,500 Sadly, this battle is affecting small countries everywhere 1870 01:23:15,500 --> 01:23:18,960 who are struggling to make evidence-based policies. 1871 01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,460 In one last step to the other side of the world, 1872 01:23:21,460 --> 01:23:23,420 we decided to visit Armenia 1873 01:23:23,420 --> 01:23:25,430 after our friends in Los Angeles told us 1874 01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:27,360 about the situation there. 1875 01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:29,740 Armenia recently went through a peaceful revolution 1876 01:23:29,740 --> 01:23:32,580 against the ruling class who had corrupted their country. 1877 01:23:32,580 --> 01:23:35,350 They called it the "Velvet Revolution". 1878 01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:37,870 They replaced all government leaders with people 1879 01:23:37,870 --> 01:23:40,120 who'd make the best decisions for the citizens 1880 01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:41,750 who wanted change. 1881 01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:44,130 We got a chance to speak with their new health minister 1882 01:23:44,130 --> 01:23:46,420 who was quite open about the options he had 1883 01:23:46,420 --> 01:23:49,990 for funding his push to reduce smoking deaths in Armenia. 1884 01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:52,380 Where do you get most of your support and information from? 1885 01:23:52,380 --> 01:23:57,380 - We get a lot from WHO in terms of directly 1886 01:23:57,960 --> 01:23:59,320 for tobacco control, 1887 01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,080 we get starting from technical support, 1888 01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:03,770 how to write these legislations, 1889 01:24:03,770 --> 01:24:04,860 how to implement it. 1890 01:24:04,860 --> 01:24:08,760 We also get support from lots of other organizations. 1891 01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:12,970 We recently signed a grant with Bloomberg Foundation, 1892 01:24:12,970 --> 01:24:16,400 one of their institutions National Institute of Health, 1893 01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:20,360 and other Tobacco-Free Kids from America. 1894 01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:23,500 But now I think that regardless of WHO 1895 01:24:23,500 --> 01:24:25,860 or other foundations we have to spend our money 1896 01:24:25,860 --> 01:24:28,080 to make our people healthier. 1897 01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,270 With over 60% of men smoking, 1898 01:24:30,270 --> 01:24:32,710 and smoking among women on the rise, 1899 01:24:32,710 --> 01:24:34,800 this is an important crossroads for the health 1900 01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:36,840 of the Armenian people. 1901 01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,210 These Bloomberg funded groups like WHO, 1902 01:24:39,210 --> 01:24:41,760 and Tobacco-Free Kids are going country to country 1903 01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,780 to fight safer nicotine options under the guise 1904 01:24:44,780 --> 01:24:46,320 of ending smoking, 1905 01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:49,430 just as the American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network 1906 01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:52,760 is doing to counties and small states in the US. 1907 01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:56,060 As we met more and more of the wonderful people in Armenia, 1908 01:24:56,060 --> 01:24:58,780 we also met more and more of the people who'd be affected 1909 01:24:58,780 --> 01:25:01,100 by anti-science propaganda, 1910 01:25:01,100 --> 01:25:04,080 imported from the other side of the world. 1911 01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:05,400 It was sobering. 1912 01:25:07,860 --> 01:25:09,770 As we began the long journey home, 1913 01:25:09,770 --> 01:25:11,940 we discussed this whole situation, 1914 01:25:11,940 --> 01:25:13,660 the voices of thousands of people 1915 01:25:13,660 --> 01:25:16,850 from all walks of life were difficult to ignore. 1916 01:25:16,850 --> 01:25:19,680 ♪ What the hell am I supposed to do ♪ 1917 01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:21,730 How will these same powerful people try 1918 01:25:21,730 --> 01:25:23,720 to mute or twist our message? 1919 01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:27,090 ♪ No matter what I choose, I loose ♪ 1920 01:25:27,090 --> 01:25:29,260 How many leaders will make the wrong decision 1921 01:25:29,260 --> 01:25:31,840 because of false information? 1922 01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:35,930 ♪ I've got my neck in on this ♪ 1923 01:25:35,930 --> 01:25:39,380 ♪ What the hell am I supposed to do ♪ 1924 01:25:39,380 --> 01:25:42,690 Will the voices we met along the way even be heard? 1925 01:25:42,690 --> 01:25:43,860 It was overwhelming. 1926 01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:48,190 How many people will lose their jobs? 1927 01:25:48,190 --> 01:25:50,420 Or their lives because of this corruption? 1928 01:25:50,420 --> 01:25:55,420 ♪ How am I supposed to heal ♪ 1929 01:25:56,690 --> 01:26:01,690 ♪ I take your pills so I can't feel ♪ 1930 01:26:04,850 --> 01:26:09,030 ♪ I know it's wrong but it's right ♪ 1931 01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:12,030 ♪ How am I supposed to heal ♪ 1932 01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:30,310 The health societies around the world were struggling 1933 01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:32,960 to navigate these complicated nicotine issues. 1934 01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:36,400 It is clear that we need a plan. 1935 01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:40,730 ♪ Who the hell am I supposed to be ♪ 1936 01:26:40,730 --> 01:26:41,960 - What can be done now? 1937 01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:44,120 Like, you know, 1938 01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:46,410 - Yeah. - we need an action plan now, 1939 01:26:46,410 --> 01:26:47,850 we need a call to action now. 1940 01:26:47,850 --> 01:26:51,910 - Educate teens and see what they're doing. 1941 01:26:51,910 --> 01:26:54,150 - Most of the kids who are using nicotine 1942 01:26:54,150 --> 01:26:57,880 are using it less than they're using e-cigarettes, 1943 01:26:57,880 --> 01:26:59,360 less than 10 days a month. 1944 01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:02,860 And the people using it more than 20 days a month 1945 01:27:02,860 --> 01:27:04,810 are a relatively small percentage 1946 01:27:04,810 --> 01:27:08,770 which I think is reassuring to me as a health care person 1947 01:27:08,770 --> 01:27:11,110 'cause I think most kids are not using it 1948 01:27:11,110 --> 01:27:12,800 in an addictive pattern. 1949 01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,630 we need to focus on the highest priorities first. 1950 01:27:15,630 --> 01:27:18,050 We need to stop the unnecessary deaths. 1951 01:27:18,050 --> 01:27:20,330 Cigarette smoking has killed so many. 1952 01:27:20,330 --> 01:27:24,260 Clean forms of nicotine can prevent those deaths now. 1953 01:27:24,260 --> 01:27:26,970 We need to be brave enough to have honest conversations 1954 01:27:26,970 --> 01:27:28,740 that value saving lives, 1955 01:27:28,740 --> 01:27:31,770 and help teens make wise decisions for their health. 1956 01:27:31,770 --> 01:27:34,940 - Together, we can discourage use, 1957 01:27:34,940 --> 01:27:39,940 but we need to find the balance between that and prohibition 1958 01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:42,120 that deprives any smoker 1959 01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:45,380 or teen and who would become a smoker anyway 1960 01:27:45,380 --> 01:27:48,960 from a much less harmful form of nicotine use. 1961 01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:52,950 - I think consumers telling their stories is so important, 1962 01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:54,330 and it's so important. 1963 01:27:54,330 --> 01:27:56,030 Politics is personal, 1964 01:27:56,030 --> 01:27:59,030 and we have to hear from the people. 1965 01:27:59,030 --> 01:28:01,270 The people who are saying: "This is saving my life", 1966 01:28:01,270 --> 01:28:04,930 hearing those stories out are very important. 1967 01:28:04,930 --> 01:28:07,770 - I spent every day for four years thinking 1968 01:28:07,770 --> 01:28:09,090 about smoking cigarettes 1969 01:28:09,090 --> 01:28:11,880 and thinking about getting that nicotine again, 1970 01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:15,270 and now I don't have to do that, 1971 01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:17,490 and I don't have to die. 1972 01:28:17,490 --> 01:28:21,400 - 7 million people per year are dying globally 1973 01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:23,930 of a completely preventable behavior. 1974 01:28:23,930 --> 01:28:25,490 That's what the conversation should be, 1975 01:28:25,490 --> 01:28:29,770 is about smoking not tobacco or nicotine. 1976 01:28:29,770 --> 01:28:32,370 These conversations are already happening. 1977 01:28:32,370 --> 01:28:34,260 We just need to listen with our hearts 1978 01:28:34,260 --> 01:28:36,000 and look at the science. 1979 01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:37,300 On top of that, 1980 01:28:37,300 --> 01:28:39,540 almost all the voices both professional 1981 01:28:39,540 --> 01:28:42,030 and public in this debate are white men 1982 01:28:42,030 --> 01:28:43,680 in western countries. 1983 01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:45,520 We need to lift up other voices, 1984 01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:47,450 including those affected most, 1985 01:28:47,450 --> 01:28:49,650 Indigenous tribes, and stress groups 1986 01:28:49,650 --> 01:28:51,320 like the black community in the US 1987 01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:54,760 who die from cigarette related illnesses 20% more 1988 01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:56,600 than their white neighbors. 1989 01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:58,780 We met Chris while learning about the impact 1990 01:28:58,780 --> 01:29:02,130 of San Francisco's ban on nicotine vapor products. 1991 01:29:02,130 --> 01:29:03,720 - Regardless if you wanna vape, 1992 01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,890 if you wanna chew gum, whatever. 1993 01:29:06,890 --> 01:29:09,340 The important thing is to try to get people 1994 01:29:09,340 --> 01:29:10,880 to quit smoking cigarettes, 1995 01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:14,780 we have to get more people of color involved 1996 01:29:14,780 --> 01:29:17,970 in the whole vaping aspect, 1997 01:29:17,970 --> 01:29:22,970 get people more involved in patches and gums, 1998 01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:27,630 because once you quit smoking, 1999 01:29:27,630 --> 01:29:29,840 it's like you get your life back. 2000 01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:31,100 Instead of seeking doubt 2001 01:29:31,100 --> 01:29:32,460 on behalf of their funders, 2002 01:29:32,460 --> 01:29:34,810 scientists need to seek the truth. 2003 01:29:34,810 --> 01:29:37,900 - We need to tell the truth to people. 2004 01:29:38,930 --> 01:29:42,060 We need to tell the truth to smokers first, 2005 01:29:42,060 --> 01:29:45,870 but also to everybody. 2006 01:29:45,870 --> 01:29:48,340 Nicotine is not that. 2007 01:29:48,340 --> 01:29:52,420 - If we don't, then we might as well pack up our bags 2008 01:29:52,420 --> 01:29:54,370 and go home, and rip up our PhDs 2009 01:29:55,330 --> 01:29:58,590 because we're not doing what we're supposed to be doing, 2010 01:29:58,590 --> 01:30:00,100 and what we're paid to do. 2011 01:30:00,100 --> 01:30:02,640 We have hope that the nicotine delivery methods 2012 01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:03,960 will keep improving, 2013 01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:07,200 that the science of how nicotine works would keep expanding, 2014 01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:08,730 and that this will help people 2015 01:30:08,730 --> 01:30:10,470 where it matters most. 2016 01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:11,510 - More research is needed, 2017 01:30:11,510 --> 01:30:14,410 but we're actually getting to good places with research. 2018 01:30:14,410 --> 01:30:16,400 - This large national study 2019 01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,850 that we're doing will be the largest study ever done 2020 01:30:18,850 --> 01:30:22,410 in non-smokers. Of nicotine's effects on brain function. 2021 01:30:22,410 --> 01:30:26,210 In my initial grant application to the NIH 2022 01:30:26,210 --> 01:30:27,350 for this big study, I said, 2023 01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:30,800 "Look, if this works, we're gonna have an immediately 2024 01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:34,730 available, inexpensive, repurposed treatment 2025 01:30:34,730 --> 01:30:38,610 that has no IP, that isn't gonna cost a million bucks a year 2026 01:30:38,610 --> 01:30:40,280 for somebody to take, 2027 01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:42,630 and that could help them right now." 2028 01:30:42,630 --> 01:30:46,360 That's a pretty strong argument for nicotine. 2029 01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:47,630 So who gets hurt 2030 01:30:47,630 --> 01:30:50,080 in this game of big money politics? 2031 01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:51,760 The grandmothers and grandfathers 2032 01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:54,470 who are seeing their cherished memories fade, 2033 01:30:54,470 --> 01:30:56,260 the underfunded countries and states 2034 01:30:56,260 --> 01:30:59,820 who are struggling to make helpful policy decisions, 2035 01:30:59,820 --> 01:31:03,540 those who are struggling with mental illness and you. 2036 01:31:04,430 --> 01:31:05,440 The big issue is that 2037 01:31:05,440 --> 01:31:08,510 with non-stop agenda driven PR campaigns, 2038 01:31:08,510 --> 01:31:11,630 the world has become a very noisy place. 2039 01:31:11,630 --> 01:31:14,220 Leading journalists need to report the truth 2040 01:31:14,220 --> 01:31:16,000 and connect people to the information 2041 01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,260 that will change their lives forever. 2042 01:31:18,260 --> 01:31:20,770 - It's hard to be optimistic right now, 2043 01:31:22,140 --> 01:31:25,940 but I think in the end the science will prevail. 2044 01:31:25,940 --> 01:31:27,340 I mean, you can't, 2045 01:31:27,340 --> 01:31:29,350 you just can't argue with science, 2046 01:31:29,350 --> 01:31:32,600 and when you have so much of it showing 2047 01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:34,440 so many benefits to this. 2048 01:31:34,440 --> 01:31:38,620 I think in the end science has to win, right? 2049 01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:42,920 - Will the truth get out? 2050 01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:44,480 It's not guaranteed. 2051 01:31:44,480 --> 01:31:46,430 Pride, misinformation, 2052 01:31:46,430 --> 01:31:50,520 and big money stand in the way so it's up to you. 2053 01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:53,970 Demand real science and clear communication. 2054 01:31:53,970 --> 01:31:57,560 Reject doubt and shame because every human being 2055 01:31:57,560 --> 01:31:59,860 has the right to truth. 2056 01:31:59,860 --> 01:32:02,080 You deserve to know nicotine. 2057 01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:04,310 ♪ Breathe me in ♪ 2058 01:32:04,310 --> 01:32:06,850 ♪ Speed it up just to slow it down ♪ 2059 01:32:06,850 --> 01:32:08,830 ♪ It's too much to take ♪ 2060 01:32:08,830 --> 01:32:11,250 ♪ Too much to take ♪ 2061 01:32:11,250 --> 01:32:14,560 ♪ Give me a minute ♪ 2062 01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,070 ♪ You know the truth but we'll let it out ♪ 2063 01:32:17,070 --> 01:32:21,790 ♪ It's hard to escape ♪ 2064 01:32:21,790 --> 01:32:26,790 ♪ And I don't know how to figure it out ♪ 2065 01:32:27,140 --> 01:32:29,660 ♪ Can you show me how ♪ 2066 01:32:29,660 --> 01:32:33,040 ♪ Can you show me now ♪ 2067 01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:35,500 ♪ Maybe we don't know better ♪ 2068 01:32:35,500 --> 01:32:37,600 ♪ Memories we can forget ♪ 2069 01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:38,770 ♪ But through it all ♪ 2070 01:32:38,770 --> 01:32:41,500 ♪ The questions leave me unsettled, unsettled ♪ 2071 01:32:41,500 --> 01:32:43,220 ♪ Unsettled, unsettled ♪ 2072 01:32:43,220 --> 01:32:45,660 ♪ We're under too much pressure ♪ 2073 01:32:45,660 --> 01:32:47,880 ♪ Trying hard to redirect ♪ 2074 01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:50,680 ♪ But through it all the questions leave me ♪ 2075 01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:55,680 ♪ Unsettled, unsettled ♪ 2076 01:32:55,890 --> 01:33:00,890 ♪ Unsettled, unsettled ♪ 2077 01:33:01,010 --> 01:33:03,300 ♪ Unsettled, unsettled ♪ 2078 01:33:03,300 --> 01:33:05,820 ♪ Reel me in, reel me in ♪ 2079 01:33:05,820 --> 01:33:08,480 ♪ Bring it up just to tear it down ♪ 2080 01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:12,130 ♪ Throw me the bait ♪ 2081 01:33:12,130 --> 01:33:15,840 ♪ Jump off the deep end ♪ 2082 01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:18,760 ♪ Holding on there but I'm slipping out ♪ 2083 01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:23,020 ♪ Don't make me wait ♪ 2084 01:33:23,020 --> 01:33:28,020 ♪ And I don't know how to figure it out ♪ 2085 01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:30,940 ♪ Can you show me how ♪ 2086 01:33:30,940 --> 01:33:34,270 ♪ Can you show me now ♪ 2087 01:33:34,270 --> 01:33:36,650 ♪ Maybe we don't know better ♪ 2088 01:33:36,650 --> 01:33:38,960 ♪ Memories we can forget ♪ 2089 01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:41,500 ♪ But through it all the questions leave me ♪ 2090 01:33:41,500 --> 01:33:44,250 ♪ Unsettled, unsettled ♪ 2091 01:33:44,250 --> 01:33:46,740 ♪ We're under too much pressure ♪ 2092 01:33:46,740 --> 01:33:49,120 ♪ Try had to redirect ♪ 2093 01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:51,800 ♪ But through it all the questions leave me ♪ 2094 01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:56,630 ♪ Unsettled, unsettled ♪ 2095 01:34:01,940 --> 01:34:05,860 ♪ Unsettled ♪ 2096 01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:19,880 ♪ Maybe we don't know better ♪ 2097 01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:22,430 ♪ Memories we can forget ♪ 2098 01:34:22,430 --> 01:34:25,020 ♪ But through it all the questions leave me ♪ 2099 01:34:25,020 --> 01:34:27,730 ♪ Unsettled, unsettled ♪ 2100 01:34:27,730 --> 01:34:30,120 ♪ We're under too much pressure ♪ 2101 01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:32,490 ♪ Try hard to redirect ♪ 2102 01:34:32,490 --> 01:34:35,300 ♪ But through it all the questions leave me ♪ 2103 01:34:35,300 --> 01:34:40,140 ♪ Unsettled, unsettled ♪ 157200

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