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Few things are
as emotional as nicotine.
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In the four years since our
last movie about smoking,
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things have gotten even more serious.
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As new technologies advance
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some countries see fewer people smoking,
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but now find teens using
nicotine in new ways.
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Panic has ensued.
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- As of today we're
declaring a war on vaping.
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One teen in
Vancouver had a disease
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that affected his brain.
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He was rushed to the
hospital when he passed out.
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They sent him home without a brain scan,
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because it was suspected he used nicotine.
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He died the next day from
a disease related stroke.
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The autopsy showed no
nicotine in his system.
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While they reported
vaping deaths were blamed
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on nicotine for months.
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People continued to buy
tainted marijuana cartridges
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and kept dying.
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Some law enforcement agencies
even began prosecuting
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young people for nicotine possession.
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- Prosecuted criminally.
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- Many people who used
nicotine vapor technology
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to quit, switched back to cigarettes.
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People need answers.
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I used to think I knew nicotine.
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Ever since my friend died
years ago from lung cancer
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after a lifetime of smoking cigarettes,
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I dedicated a large chunk of my life
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to helping reduce smoking
related death and disease
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around the world.
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I tried to ban smoking
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at the 100 bed medical facility I ran,
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despite protests from
the residents and staff.
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I made a movie drawing attention
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to the projected 1 billion
lives that will be affected
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by smoking this century.
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Because of this, I was
invited to the board
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of the National Tobacco Reform Initiative
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with current or retired leaders
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of the American Cancer Society,
Truth Initiative, Harvard,
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American Heart Association
and other anti-smoking groups.
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I investigated smoking
trends in 13 countries
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for a series with the foundation
for a smoke-free world.
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Many of our Kickstarter backers
lost loved ones to smoking.
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The stories are heartbreaking.
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Sadly, against our best efforts,
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smoking cigarettes is
on the rise worldwide.
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The main reason is nicotine.
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In addition, new nicotine
products are gaining traction
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in developed countries.
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As we began this project a massive wave
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of nicotine headlines swept
across many parts of the world.
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The headlines were alarming,
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so we went on the hunt for truth.
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What we found shocked us.
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At first, we were angry, then we were sad.
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The truth became unbelievable.
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We had this unsettling feeling
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that there was something deeper here.
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We wanted to know nicotine.
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What were the dangers of
it outside of cigarettes,
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and why do so many people want to use it?
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We know why people use
other drugs like caffeine,
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alcohol, and opioids.
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Nicotine was named after the
French explorer Jean Nicot
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in the 1500s after he
began promoting nicotine
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for its claimed medicinal properties.
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So we went to France to the home region
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of a nicotine expert we met years ago
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while learning why people smoke.
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Let's start at the beginning.
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- Nicotine is a long story.
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Most of my career which is
basically only on nicotine.
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I started with my PhD thesis,
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and I've been working in nicotine since.
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It's been with humans for
more than 8,000 years.
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I mean, it's was used by
shaman in South America
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and in North America as well.
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- Jacques told us that tobacco
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was the first plant discovered
that produce nicotine.
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By the mid 1800s,
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most people simply smoked it
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through pipes or cigars.
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That is until 1880,
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when the cigarette rolling
machine was invented.
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Trillions of cigarettes
would be mass produced.
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In 1962,
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the world's most prestigious
medical research group,
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the Royal College of Physicians
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issued an alarming report
claiming that smoking was harmful.
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Initially, the report was
met with a hostile reaction
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from governments, cigarette companies,
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the media, and society.
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Two years later, the US Surgeon
General join the British
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in sounding the alarm.
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Once the public finally believed
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that cigarettes cause death and disease,
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a fierce war against smoking began.
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The campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids started
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with a grant from the
pharmaceutical industry
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and rapidly expanded
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once their leader
successfully negotiated truce
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with Big Tobacco.
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To date, US states have received nearly
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a quarter trillion dollars in payments
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from the cigarette industry
that were tied directly
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to cigarette sales.
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Michael Bloomberg gave a billion dollars
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to fund anti-smoking
groups around the world.
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Smoking would never be the same.
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- For more than 30 years in
every anti-tobacco campaign,
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because we want people to quit smoking,
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nicotine was the culprit instead of smoke.
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- Just try one if you don't
like it, it's easy to give up.
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- Oh-oh Nick O'Teen I better move fast.
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- Kids know far too much.
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- You no good windbag nicotine.
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- No, no, superman.
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- Thanks.
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- So every smoker has
fear against nicotine,
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'cause nicotine is seen as the devil.
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- I always thought nicotine
was a toxic chemical invented
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and added by the big cigarette companies
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to get people hooked on cigarettes.
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During a research for this movie,
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I learned that nicotine is
produced by a variety of plants,
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for example, tomatoes,
potatoes, eggplants,
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and bell peppers.
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It was an interesting conversation
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when I had to tell my wife, Jenny,
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that we were growing
nicotine in the garden,
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and serving it to our kids.
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After talking with Jacques,
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we visited tobacco seed farm
to learn from their experts.
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- All the seed bags are sealed
and classified by order.
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Okay.
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- Everything has a coding number,
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and I don't know if you've
ever seen tobacco seeds,
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naked tobacco seeds,
- No, I've never seen.
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- But it's very very small,
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very tiny seeds.
- Oh, those are very small.
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- Here it's our greenhouse.
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First we are growing the
plantlets for artificial test
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for pathology that you've seen
in other little greenhouses.
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We will look for some flowers,
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so here you see the seeds come from here.
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- Oh wow.
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- So here's the seeds, they are maturated seeds
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ready to be harvested.
- Oh yeah.
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A lot of people don't understand
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why does the plant make nicotine.
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Do you know, is nicotine
have a purpose in the plant?
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- Nicotine is used as an insecticides,
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and it's the same in tobacco.
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It's a way of defending itself.
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So nicotine is produced
by the root system,
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and each time that the plant is stressed
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by the weather condition,
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by an attack of disease,
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or for example cutting
the flowers as we saw
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in the fields,
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it stresses the plants,
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and the roots start to
create more nicotine.
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There is also a difference
between varieties,
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for example, we breed varieties
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for low nicotine amounts for shisha,
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that we breed also nicotine for plants
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for high nicotine levels
for E liquids or Snus.
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After we
learned about the plants,
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we wanted to see a farm
where these seeds were grown.
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I pictured a giant tobacco
operation with armed guards
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and hidden secrets.
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I was a bit nervous.
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However, once we arrived
at the 300 year old village
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and met the family,
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I immediately felt at ease.
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The oldest daughter was
taking over the family farm
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and offered to give me a tour.
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This wasn't what I expected at all.
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- Here it is a very little-
- Your babies.
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- It is very little babies.
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One day old, two days old.
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- Oh, really new, oh.
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As someone who spent
part of my summers working
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on grandpa's farm,
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it was easy to get
caught up in the beauty.
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This felt very natural.
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However, it was sobering to remember
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that the main way people get nicotine
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is by burning tobacco
plants and cigarettes.
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I was reminded of my friend
who smoked until he died
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from lung cancer.
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This is serious.
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A midsize company nearby
that processes these plants
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into nicotine for vapor liquids,
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offered to show us how
they create new kinds
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of nicotine products.
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The kind you see in the
headlines every week.
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We wanted to see this
process for ourselves.
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- So welcome to our process
of production of nicotine.
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We have a French tobacco from Dordogne.
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Their lead scientist explained
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that once the leaves
from the farm we visited
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are dried and burnt,
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they get boxed and shipped
to the processing center
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where their ground up, mashed, and steamed
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in these large machines.
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What's left is the
condensed nicotine water
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that runs through the pipes to
the next area after cooling.
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- Aaron, you have seen
the extraction process.
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Now, I will show you her
purification process.
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In the purification lab,
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he explained to me how
they bind another molecule
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to the nicotine water
so it can be filtered.
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Then it travels through
a complex system of pipes
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and glass vessels as they
extract the pure nicotine.
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This liquid form of nicotine is similar
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to what's used in nicotine patches, gums,
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and in recent years, vapor liquid.
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Now we were getting somewhere.
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In a nearby area they
were testing their liquids
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for government compliance with
all the people in white coats
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and their high-tech lab equipment.
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This felt very different from the farms.
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When I first heard about
nicotine vapor technology
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five years ago,
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I saw a ton of posts about anti-freeze,
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toxic metals, cancer
causing chemicals and more.
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Kind of scary.
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Most of the public still has no idea
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what's in the vapor liquids
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50 million people are using worldwide.
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This was the chance to find out firsthand.
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While inspecting the production process,
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they showed us how they add
varying strengths of nicotine
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into a blend of pharmaceutical
grade propylene glycol
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and vegetable glycerin
that allows the nicotine
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to be heated into a vapor.
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They also add flavoring because
the base liquid has little
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or no taste.
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At the same time we were in France,
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new campaigns were launching in the US
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to respond to the growing use
of nicotine by young people.
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We wanted to learn about this new crisis
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from the people on the front lines.
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It was time to head home.
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- Ever since we were really young,
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our parents have always
told us that smoking
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and tobacco is really bad for your body.
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And both of us have asthma,
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so we know how scary it
is when you can't breathe,
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but in the past few years we've noticed
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that smoking isn't the
problem, it's vaping.
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Kids in our high school
are vaping in the bathrooms
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and some are even vaping in class.
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- I actually had a teacher
that would let us vape
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in the classroom.
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He would act like he didn't see it.
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And there's been times
where security guards
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just act like they don't see it.
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- One day when we were
walking in the mall we saw,
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but a group of teens just vaping
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exhaling this huge cloud of smoke.
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And we didn't know about it at first,
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so we did our research and we found out
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it was what kind of things are-
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- Chemicals they use-
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- Were kind of chemicals
it releases into your body
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and not just themselves but to others.
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- After seeing how much
vaping how big a problem was,
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we started researching it
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for the 2019 Student
NPR Pockets challenge,
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and no one knew the consequences,
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and that's how we started our journey
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to spread awareness and educate others
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on the harmful effects of vaping.
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- What do you know about vaping?
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- That it's very addictive
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and a lot of teens do it these days.
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- I know about it that it was made
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to help people stop smoking,
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but then when they like if
people just kept on using it
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as kind of a substitute,
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and then it became equally
like kind of equally as bad.
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- People probably stop smoking
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to go to the vaping
'cause maybe they thought
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that it wasn't that maybe,
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'cause you get really addicted to it.
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- But it's actually the same.
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- Do any of you know
anything about nicotine
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that you could tell me?
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- Really addictive,
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and I feel like you
think that people do it,
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because you think you're not
gonna get addicted to it,
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and then you end up
getting addicted to it.
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- And you also think
nothing bad will happen.
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- Yeah, and then-
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- But then bad stuff does happen.
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As the dad of a teenager,
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I naturally get alarmed hearing
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about bad things happening to kids.
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We headed east to spend time
with a group of concerned moms
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that were banding together
to protect their children.
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- He thought it kind of
helped with some anxiety.
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It was making everything
just a little bit worse,
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and he got caught in school Juuling.
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He lost his captainship and
was suspended his senior year.
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And I think it was then
that everything kind of came
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to our head so to speak,
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and that we determined
that there was a problem,
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and then having other parents reach out,
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saying that they feel
kind of in the same boat,
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they don't know what to do,
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or how to get their child help.
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- Teens are already dealing with so much
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that to then add this addictive element.
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Nicotine is a game changer.
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It's been a game changer
for this epidemic.
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It was a game changer,
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when they launched
cigarettes, camel launched,
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and then it was a game changer
when menthol was introduced
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and this 100% re-introducing
nicotine to kids, game changer.
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I mean, that there's no
other way really to put it.
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I found a great group of people
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who are equally passionate
about doing the right thing
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for our kids, and getting
nicotine out of the hands of them.
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After seeing Caleb's
experience with e-cigarettes,
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his mother Meredith Berkman co-founded
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Parents Against Vaping
E-cigarettes, or PAVe.
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- We're an army of parents,
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and if I refer to myself
as a mom of a kid,
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we're an army of motivated mom for kids
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who are not going to allow our kids
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to become a generation
of nicotine addicts.
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- Emotions were running
high all over the country,
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social media was full of nasty
arguments and half truths,
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both for and against nicotine,
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both sides were attacking us.
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To gain deeper understanding of the issue,
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we met the grandfather
of nicotine science,
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Dr. Neal Benowitz.
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- Clearly, there is a huge upswing
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in e-cigarette use among youth.
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Some people say that in
some schools 30% of kids
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have used e-cigarettes in the last month.
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They're finding pods all
over the parking lots
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in the high schools,
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so there's no question
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that e-cigarettes are being widely used.
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We also know that some people
are using it all day long
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even in school,
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and that is a huge concern.
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What we don't know is
whether this is a fad,
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or this is the beginning
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of what's called primary
nicotine addiction
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which is not addiction to cigarettes,
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but sort of addiction to nicotine per se.
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If that's the case that
would be pretty new
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because there's never been an addiction
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to nicotine without tobacco in the past.
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Sweden has been
fighting a teen nicotine crisis
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for more than 50 years.
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Almost one out of five young Swedish men
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use an oral tobacco product called Snus.
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We went to Sweden to learn more
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and meet another great pioneer
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in the field, Dr. Karl Faegerstrom.
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He's famous for his
groundbreaking nicotine research.
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They even named the nicotine
dependence test after him.
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His work has been cited in
over 22,000 scientific papers.
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- We have done what's not part
of any of the two world wars.
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Where cigarettes were really dispensed
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and given away free of charge to soldiers
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to get them to fight,
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to get them to get some order
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of their anxiety, and fear et cetera.
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One particular tobacco product
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that they call Snus which is
a smokeless tobacco product,
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low in nitrosamines survived in Sweden.
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So if we are talking about
the '60s when the harms
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from smoking started to become strong,
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and no one and advertise
that smoking is very harmful.
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Then this product Snus was on the market,
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and some understood in some
way without really being told
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or that there was evidence around
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that may be that is less harmful,
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and it started as a
smoking cessation thing.
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In the turn of the
century we had around 21%
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of male using Snus.
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Now we have 80 and something
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and five, 6% smoking cigarettes.
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During this time which is 40,
50 years you can then look
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at cancer because they
don't develop overnight,
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the cancers if you start to smoke,
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so we can see it and the
full effect of switching
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to a much less harmful product.
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What is the attitude
by not only the public
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which I would love to hear,
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but also the tobacco control
folks here in Sweden?
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- They are very troubled
by young people using Snus
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and starting on Snus.
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What's your
personal feelings on that?
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Is it worth it to save
the kids from nicotine,
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if the smokers, existing
smokers are dying?
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- This is really a very
difficult thing to talk about,
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because it gets so emotional
also when you talk about kids,
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and I'm afraid that there are
people that find it so hard
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to see only one kid getting
addicted on nicotine,
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so therefore they would deny
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for example, electronic
cigarettes to be on the market.
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But on the other hand
then you have thousands
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and maybe millions of adult
smokers that are not close
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to dying yet but are in the 20s and 30s,
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that could benefit from
electronic cigarettes,
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and how many saved lives there
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do you need to have to measure
up with one addicted kid?
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And this is more emotional
than mathematical
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and scientific,
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but I do think we need to
try to wrestle reasonably
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with that problem and not just throw it.
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I don't want any kid
to be addicted you see.
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It's a superficial
argument when you don't put
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or see the whole spectrum of the problem.
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- With lives on the line,
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we wanted to avoid superficial arguments
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and listen deeply to all sides.
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People generally know
the dangers of smoking,
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but we wanted to know the
dangers of nicotine itself.
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We hadn't gotten very far.
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It was time to dig deeper.
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Are there certain go-to
researchers that you recommend?
435
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- So Stan Glantz out in California,
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leading expert.
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- Dr. Stanton Glantz, he
works in San Francisco,
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and he's dedicated most of
his life's work to vaping.
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- Our next step was San Francisco,
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the epicenter of the teen vaping crisis.
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We had heard a lot about Dr.
Glantz from the students,
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parents and news media.
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He's a recognized leader around the world.
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His work has been cited
more than 29,000 times
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in scientific papers.
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We were hoping to finally
learn more about the dangers.
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- Most of my work originally
was around secondhand smoke.
448
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Few had come to me in 1978
when I started getting involved
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in this issue, and said, you know,
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smoke free bars would be something
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that everybody takes for granted.
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Smoke free beaches would be
something everybody takes
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for granted.
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I would have thought you were
completely out of your mind.
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And so the whole social
environment surrounding smoking
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and tobacco use has really changed
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rather than being a social plus
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it has become a social negative,
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and that's why people have been quitting.
460
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Well, one of the things I
used to enjoy telling people
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is you know, some of that stank
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is the nicotine settling
out of your clothes,
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but others is like you breathing
it in and sweating it out,
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so if you do that you'll often notice
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that your underwear smells
worse than your outerwear.
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Well, thankfully I
don't really do much smoking.
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- Yeah, well, that's a good thing.
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- Can tell us a little bit
about "The Tobacco Papers",
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obviously, the library, you're famous
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for that whole exposé type thing
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can you just tell a little bit
about how did that happen,
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and kinda what was your
work with that whole thing?
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- One day May 12th, 1994,
a box of documents ended up
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on my desk.
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And it was about four or 5,000 pages
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of internal industry documents.
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And it was really the
first consistent view
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behind the curtain inside
the tobacco industry.
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- We were at a meeting
with a bunch of moms
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who are in the PAVe group,
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I don't know if you're familiar
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with Parents Against Vaping E-cigarettes.
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So we just got done with that,
those meetings last week,
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and then got a chance to come over here.
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Can you kind of explain
to the general public,
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what are the dangers of nicotine
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and what should parents
and teachers know about it?
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- Well, the biggest danger of
nicotine is an addictive drug,
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it changes your brain.
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And one of the things
that's particularly bad
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about this for kids at the same time
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that your brain is wiring
itself up into the adult brain,
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you're putting chemicals in there
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that are screwing up the
way those connections
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are being made.
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And that's why the earlier a
kid starts smoking or vaping,
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the more likely they're gonna
be getting that addicted,
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the more heavily they're
gonna use the product
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in the long run.
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I mean, we don't know that
for e-cigarettes for sure yet
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those are too new.
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So the most obvious problem with nicotine
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is that it's an addictive drug.
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But nicotine does a lot
of other bad things,
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it's probably not the
worst thing in cigarettes,
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and nicotine hasn't been
identified as causing cancer,
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and one thing I find
that you know, teenagers,
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and college students are
interested in cigarettes,
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and e-cigarettes are
kinda like "Anti-Viagra".
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What happens in erectile dysfunction,
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you don't get enough vasodilation,
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blood vessels getting bigger in your penis
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to get an erection.
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And what the erectile dysfunction drugs do
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is they stimulate nitric oxide synthase,
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so you get the vasodilation so
the arteries can't get engorged.
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- Well, that was not at
all what we were expecting.
518
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,530
Since Dr. Glantz told us
519
00:25:50,530 --> 00:25:53,260
that addiction is the
biggest danger of nicotine,
520
00:25:53,260 --> 00:25:56,340
we went to Hollywood to meet
a famous nicotine addict,
521
00:25:56,340 --> 00:25:58,420
YouTuber, Grim Green.
522
00:25:58,420 --> 00:26:01,680
Would you call yourself a nicotine addict?
523
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,110
- Sure, I mean, I'm sure
that I'm addicted to it,
524
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:07,740
enthusiast, maybe is what I would say.
525
00:26:07,740 --> 00:26:09,930
And I think there's a different level,
526
00:26:09,930 --> 00:26:12,820
there's certainly a
different level of addiction
527
00:26:12,820 --> 00:26:15,670
between being addicted to nicotine,
528
00:26:15,670 --> 00:26:19,230
and being addicted to heroin.
529
00:26:19,230 --> 00:26:21,350
- What would be the
downside of using nicotine
530
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:22,610
for most of a person's life?
531
00:26:22,610 --> 00:26:23,440
You've done it,
532
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,110
so I mean, for you, what
kind of side effects
533
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:26,970
are you noticing from using nicotine?
534
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,400
- Not really, I mean, not side effects,
535
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,360
like physical side effects,
536
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:37,930
maybe some mental side
effects where I'm trying
537
00:26:37,930 --> 00:26:40,330
to do something, or be
creative, or remember a thing,
538
00:26:40,330 --> 00:26:43,180
and I'll vape, and nicotine helps me focus
539
00:26:43,180 --> 00:26:44,100
on things like that,
540
00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:48,890
but I mean, certainly not
physical side effects,
541
00:26:48,890 --> 00:26:53,580
like physical symptoms
of prolonged nicotine use
542
00:26:53,580 --> 00:26:55,550
or addiction, or anything like that.
543
00:26:55,550 --> 00:26:57,100
I mean, there are those times
544
00:26:57,100 --> 00:27:00,990
where sure maybe I haven't had
nicotine in like six hours,
545
00:27:00,990 --> 00:27:04,490
and I go, all right, that feeling
546
00:27:04,490 --> 00:27:08,280
of being addicted to
something where you need
547
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,580
to have this nicotine like,
548
00:27:09,580 --> 00:27:11,900
"If I don't get some nicotine soon,
549
00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:14,000
I'm gonna be in a real cranky mood."
550
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,400
That is a weird feeling to have
your whole life constantly,
551
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,270
"Where's my vape?
552
00:27:19,270 --> 00:27:20,390
where's my thing?
553
00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:21,220
Where's my vape?
554
00:27:21,220 --> 00:27:22,050
Is my vape?
555
00:27:22,050 --> 00:27:22,970
Where is it?
556
00:27:22,970 --> 00:27:23,800
Is okay?
557
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:24,630
I have it, I have it."
558
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:25,670
And when you have it you feel safe,
559
00:27:25,670 --> 00:27:28,080
like being tied to something like that.
560
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,970
Maybe is a downside, but in
the grand scheme of things,
561
00:27:35,490 --> 00:27:38,260
how big of a deal is that?
562
00:27:38,260 --> 00:27:39,660
Are we upset about addiction
563
00:27:39,660 --> 00:27:42,480
just for addiction sake
regardless of the harm?
564
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,500
I feel the best I've ever felt in my life.
565
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:48,720
And I know that if I had
continued smoking this whole time
566
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,960
at 42 I wouldn't feel this awesome.
567
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:51,840
- So some people might say,
568
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,580
"Oh, you're just saying
that because you're involved
569
00:27:53,580 --> 00:27:54,410
in the industry."
570
00:27:54,410 --> 00:27:55,990
I mean, any thoughts on that?
571
00:27:57,250 --> 00:27:59,330
- Yeah, I mean, I am
involved in the industry.
572
00:27:59,330 --> 00:28:01,070
I wasn't always involved in this industry
573
00:28:01,070 --> 00:28:05,380
for the first, probably
six years of being a vapor
574
00:28:05,380 --> 00:28:06,650
and being on YouTube,
575
00:28:06,650 --> 00:28:08,850
I had a full-time job,
576
00:28:08,850 --> 00:28:11,040
and this was really just a hobby,
577
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,260
and I was putting information out there,
578
00:28:13,260 --> 00:28:15,610
and we would talk about legislation
579
00:28:15,610 --> 00:28:18,390
that was happening and trying
to be as informed as possible.
580
00:28:18,390 --> 00:28:22,040
And I didn't make any money on
youtube for like, six years,
581
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,350
six years of just information,
582
00:28:24,350 --> 00:28:28,410
and trying to build an audience
and doing it just to do it.
583
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:31,960
- Pretty and-
584
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,610
- I feel like that's pretty
grassroots activism right there.
585
00:28:35,610 --> 00:28:39,350
My stake in all of this
is that I think everybody
586
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:41,730
should be able to quit
smoking the same way I did,
587
00:28:41,730 --> 00:28:43,790
and it's crazy to me that
there's people trying
588
00:28:43,790 --> 00:28:45,880
to prevent that from happening.
589
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,590
- They don't call it wrestling
with the facts for nothing.
590
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:51,800
Now, we needed a referee.
591
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,040
While watching one of the
US congressional hearings
592
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,260
about this topic,
593
00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:57,380
we heard a neutral sounding scientists
594
00:28:57,380 --> 00:29:00,890
give straightforward answers
to the members of Congress,
595
00:29:00,890 --> 00:29:03,460
- Dr. Raymond Niaura
596
00:29:03,460 --> 00:29:06,900
of the Department of Social
and Behavioral Sciences
597
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:08,760
of the College of Global Public Health
598
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,630
at New York University.
599
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:12,090
He was once the chief scientist
600
00:29:12,090 --> 00:29:13,640
at the Truth Initiative,
601
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,540
and was cited in over
25,000 scientific papers.
602
00:29:17,540 --> 00:29:20,060
We were off to New York.
603
00:29:20,060 --> 00:29:22,420
What does it do to the user?
604
00:29:23,270 --> 00:29:28,050
- Well, it's been described
as a mild stimulant,
605
00:29:28,050 --> 00:29:29,170
and that's true,
606
00:29:29,170 --> 00:29:30,320
so when people use it,
607
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,170
their heart rate will
increase a little bit,
608
00:29:33,170 --> 00:29:35,610
their blood pressure may
increase a little bit,
609
00:29:35,610 --> 00:29:37,780
they become a little bit more alert,
610
00:29:37,780 --> 00:29:40,380
but what's going on in the brain?
611
00:29:40,380 --> 00:29:43,420
And it's only in about
the past, 10 or 15 years
612
00:29:43,420 --> 00:29:46,770
where I think we were finally
getting a more clear picture
613
00:29:46,770 --> 00:29:49,770
with neuroimaging studies,
614
00:29:49,770 --> 00:29:52,580
and those sorts of studies
where we get some insight
615
00:29:52,580 --> 00:29:54,930
into what nicotine is doing.
616
00:29:54,930 --> 00:29:59,930
There's something called
the default mode network
617
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,050
of the brain which sounds fancy,
618
00:30:02,050 --> 00:30:05,820
but all it means is
what does your brain do
619
00:30:05,820 --> 00:30:07,000
when you're sitting around
620
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,790
and not doing anything in particular.
621
00:30:09,790 --> 00:30:12,380
It's not inactive.
622
00:30:12,380 --> 00:30:14,080
In fact, it's tremendously active.
623
00:30:14,910 --> 00:30:17,320
For most people their
minds are darting around,
624
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,490
and kinda thinking about
a bazillion things,
625
00:30:20,490 --> 00:30:23,020
but the thoughts tend to be turned inward.
626
00:30:23,020 --> 00:30:25,130
You're thinking about this or that,
627
00:30:25,130 --> 00:30:28,240
or what I have to do
tomorrow or a million things.
628
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,370
So what does nicotine do to
the default mode network?
629
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,640
It calms it down.
630
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,410
So it takes all the internal chatter,
631
00:30:37,410 --> 00:30:40,340
and it ratchets it down a few notches.
632
00:30:41,270 --> 00:30:43,730
So that's fascinating, right on its own,
633
00:30:43,730 --> 00:30:46,140
and you hear a lot of smokers tell you,
634
00:30:46,140 --> 00:30:48,980
"Well, cigarettes help me to relax,
635
00:30:48,980 --> 00:30:51,410
they make me feel more calm,
636
00:30:51,410 --> 00:30:54,810
they make me feel like I'm
better able to deal with stress."
637
00:30:54,810 --> 00:30:56,590
And maybe that's part of the reason
638
00:30:56,590 --> 00:30:59,700
because the internal
chatter gets ratcheted down.
639
00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:02,180
That ratcheting down at the same time,
640
00:31:02,180 --> 00:31:04,760
leaves more cognitive capacity for you
641
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,280
to be actually pay
attention to certain things,
642
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,890
or remember certain things.
643
00:31:09,890 --> 00:31:11,720
So you're getting two
things out of nicotine;
644
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,320
one is the internal chatter goes down,
645
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,820
and two, you get a real pick
up in terms of your ability
646
00:31:18,820 --> 00:31:20,160
to pay attention to things,
647
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,200
and direct your attention and focus.
648
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,360
Generally speaking that
would be surely a good reason
649
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,840
to wanna use it.
650
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:32,150
But I also think that
some people benefit more
651
00:31:32,150 --> 00:31:34,630
or maybe more sensitive to its effects,
652
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:37,740
so that for some people those
effects are really profound,
653
00:31:37,740 --> 00:31:40,140
and almost to the point where
they can't live without it.
654
00:31:40,140 --> 00:31:42,840
And maybe that's where we're seeing a link
655
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,250
to use it on people who
have mental illnesses
656
00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:47,140
and so forth,
657
00:31:47,140 --> 00:31:49,050
that they're really relying on this drug
658
00:31:49,050 --> 00:31:52,880
to do certain things to help
with their thinking literally.
659
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,260
He said, "They
can't live without it."
660
00:31:56,260 --> 00:31:57,630
If that's true,
661
00:31:57,630 --> 00:31:59,540
then that would represent a major shift
662
00:31:59,540 --> 00:32:03,200
in understanding, becoming
a human rights issue.
663
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,320
We have read that up to 90% of people
664
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,290
with certain mental illnesses
are using nicotine daily.
665
00:32:09,290 --> 00:32:11,200
Could this be part of that puzzle?
666
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,200
Could there be benefits?
667
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,130
We promise not to seek
doubt but chase truth.
668
00:32:17,130 --> 00:32:19,240
This was a point of no return.
669
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,110
At NYU there was another
renowned clinical psychologist
670
00:32:22,110 --> 00:32:24,640
and professor named Dr. David Abrams,
671
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,520
who is the former director of the Office
672
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,170
of Behavioral and Social Sciences Research
673
00:32:29,170 --> 00:32:32,020
at the National Institutes of Health.
674
00:32:32,020 --> 00:32:33,850
He was also the founding
executive director
675
00:32:33,850 --> 00:32:37,050
at the Schroeder National
Institute of Tobacco Research.
676
00:32:37,050 --> 00:32:39,520
In addition to these
prestigious positions,
677
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,990
he also wrote some of the
first papers cautioning
678
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:44,940
against the use of
nicotine vapor technology.
679
00:32:44,940 --> 00:32:47,470
I asked him what makes
nicotine so addictive
680
00:32:47,470 --> 00:32:48,730
for young adults.
681
00:32:48,730 --> 00:32:52,370
- What's been missed is that maybe teens
682
00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:54,070
who are attracted to nicotine,
683
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:57,100
and then find that they
can't stop using it,
684
00:32:57,100 --> 00:33:02,100
may well be improving their
concentration, their memory,
685
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:07,730
and it's got similar chemicals
in the nicotine to the drugs
686
00:33:07,730 --> 00:33:12,730
that help prevent attention
deficit hyperactivity disorder
687
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,900
that help with mood stabilization,
688
00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:20,440
and improve concentration,
and attention focus,
689
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,620
as well as alertness as
opposed to the thrill
690
00:33:24,620 --> 00:33:26,540
or reward that we attribute
691
00:33:26,540 --> 00:33:29,370
to things like heroin or cocaine.
692
00:33:29,370 --> 00:33:33,570
So nicotine is not a
big reward drug compared
693
00:33:33,570 --> 00:33:37,520
to heroin, cocaine, or the
worst of all methamphetamine,
694
00:33:38,890 --> 00:33:43,050
but it does help your brain
feel good and work better.
695
00:33:43,050 --> 00:33:48,050
Nicotine may be a good drug
for some people as a medicine.
696
00:33:49,660 --> 00:33:54,660
And we haven't been as open
to that as we should be,
697
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,350
because again, it was previously demonized
698
00:33:58,350 --> 00:34:01,540
by being coupled with toxic smoke,
699
00:34:01,540 --> 00:34:05,870
but whether it's an FDA
approved gum, patch, or lozenge,
700
00:34:05,870 --> 00:34:07,650
or a vape product,
701
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,800
we know that nicotine can
be used as a medication.
702
00:34:14,350 --> 00:34:16,260
Medicinal nicotine.
703
00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:19,110
we were definitely in
unfamiliar territory.
704
00:34:19,110 --> 00:34:21,780
We were reminded of something
Dr. Neal Benowitz told us
705
00:34:21,780 --> 00:34:23,230
when we met earlier.
706
00:34:23,230 --> 00:34:25,480
Now that new technology
allows for nicotine
707
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,090
to be separated from
deadly smoke consumption,
708
00:34:28,090 --> 00:34:30,510
he too agree that more digging was needed
709
00:34:30,510 --> 00:34:32,820
to understand nicotine's effects.
710
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,550
- Smoking which has been the first concern
711
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:40,390
is so confounded with social, cultural,
712
00:34:40,390 --> 00:34:41,970
environmental factors,
713
00:34:41,970 --> 00:34:43,800
so in most cases cigarette smokers
714
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,260
are already risk takers,
715
00:34:46,260 --> 00:34:48,450
and they already do less well in school
716
00:34:48,450 --> 00:34:49,970
than non-smokers in general.
717
00:34:51,050 --> 00:34:54,230
So it's very difficult to establish
718
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:57,290
that there's any difference
in smokers compared
719
00:34:57,290 --> 00:34:58,930
to non-smokers that is nicotine related,
720
00:34:58,930 --> 00:35:00,790
because of other confounding factors.
721
00:35:02,260 --> 00:35:03,450
If you look at adult smokers,
722
00:35:03,450 --> 00:35:05,260
if they quit smoking, there's no evidence
723
00:35:05,260 --> 00:35:06,830
that there's permanent brain damage.
724
00:35:06,830 --> 00:35:09,930
Now, interestingly, with
electronic cigarettes
725
00:35:09,930 --> 00:35:12,470
it provides not only the concern,
726
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:16,050
but also the possibility
scientifically to look at this.
727
00:35:16,050 --> 00:35:20,320
Because now when we step back
e-cigarette use in adolescence
728
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,940
in the beginning was mostly
by cigarette smokers,
729
00:35:24,860 --> 00:35:27,880
and therefore was the same as
looking at cigarette smoking.
730
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,550
Nowadays, at least in the
US there's a difference.
731
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:33,200
Now, many of the kids
are using e-cigarettes
732
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,040
have no desire to smoke cigarettes,
733
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,690
they think cigarettes are bad,
734
00:35:36,690 --> 00:35:38,680
it's not cool,
735
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,540
but e-cigarette use is.
736
00:35:40,540 --> 00:35:41,640
They're more affluent people,
737
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,820
they have much lower risk factors,
738
00:35:43,820 --> 00:35:45,620
better academic performance,
739
00:35:45,620 --> 00:35:47,810
and this is something I
think is an important area
740
00:35:47,810 --> 00:35:51,600
of research to try to find
out is there an impact.
741
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:52,780
We searched long and hard
742
00:35:52,780 --> 00:35:55,150
for who was doing the most new research
743
00:35:55,150 --> 00:35:57,030
about nicotine in the brain,
744
00:35:57,030 --> 00:36:00,310
who didn't have a background
in tobacco research.
745
00:36:00,310 --> 00:36:02,770
It seemed like the history
of nicotine being coupled
746
00:36:02,770 --> 00:36:06,320
with cigarettes was
influencing the science.
747
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,670
We found a scientist at
Vanderbilt University
748
00:36:08,670 --> 00:36:10,810
who was conducting the biggest study ever
749
00:36:10,810 --> 00:36:14,320
about nicotine in the brain
called the Mind Study.
750
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,350
We went to meet him at his laboratory.
751
00:36:16,350 --> 00:36:18,320
- After my army obligation was done
752
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,810
I came back to the National
Institutes of Health
753
00:36:20,810 --> 00:36:23,920
and did a postdoctoral
research fellowship there.
754
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,960
And I joined this great group of guys
755
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,060
that were all working
on Alzheimer's disease.
756
00:36:29,060 --> 00:36:31,110
This guy was working on one aspect,
757
00:36:31,110 --> 00:36:33,230
and that guy was working on another aspect
758
00:36:33,230 --> 00:36:36,500
of this system in the brain
that we were very interested
759
00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:37,340
in at that time.
760
00:36:37,340 --> 00:36:40,610
And nobody was looking
at the nicotinic system,
761
00:36:40,610 --> 00:36:43,500
and I thought, "Well,
there's a niche for me,"
762
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:45,670
But turns out that these
nicotinic receptors
763
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:48,220
in the brain turn out
to be really important,
764
00:36:48,220 --> 00:36:50,500
really important for development,
765
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:52,820
and for normal brain function.
766
00:36:54,830 --> 00:36:59,390
Long before there is gum,
or patches, or anything,
767
00:36:59,390 --> 00:37:01,120
there was just cigarettes.
768
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,850
And so basically, I bought
nicotine from a chemical company,
769
00:37:05,850 --> 00:37:09,350
and we made it into a
pharmaceutical at the NIH,
770
00:37:09,350 --> 00:37:11,530
and we had to give it intravenously,
771
00:37:11,530 --> 00:37:13,500
'cause that was the only
way it could be given
772
00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:14,920
in those days.
773
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,730
And actually, it was Neal
Benowitz was the only other person
774
00:37:17,730 --> 00:37:19,180
that had done that.
775
00:37:19,180 --> 00:37:22,570
So I remember e-mail, or
this is even before e-mail,
776
00:37:22,570 --> 00:37:24,370
I may have called Neal,
777
00:37:24,370 --> 00:37:26,810
and I said, "How do I do this?"
778
00:37:26,810 --> 00:37:30,040
And he said, "Well, I'll
send you my recipe."
779
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,160
So he sent me his recipe,
780
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,200
and we made it at the NIH Clinical Center
781
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,460
in about 1984 or 85,
782
00:37:38,460 --> 00:37:40,560
and we took it to the FDA,
783
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,910
and they said, "Sure."
784
00:37:42,910 --> 00:37:46,140
We proved that it was safe
to administer nicotine
785
00:37:46,140 --> 00:37:50,180
to non-smoking older
adults with memory loss,
786
00:37:50,180 --> 00:37:52,030
and that there were no adverse effects.
787
00:37:52,030 --> 00:37:54,000
We saw a little bit of weight loss,
788
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,870
not surprising nicotine is
an appetite suppressant.
789
00:37:56,870 --> 00:38:00,470
People's blood pressure
actually went down, not up,
790
00:38:00,470 --> 00:38:03,790
but it did not produce the
cardiovascular side effects
791
00:38:03,790 --> 00:38:04,920
that everyone thought it would,
792
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,100
and so it appears
smoking is very different
793
00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:10,280
from nicotine by itself.
794
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:15,630
And that was sort of what
launched this long journey
795
00:38:15,630 --> 00:38:16,840
to try to figure out
796
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,200
if we can make something
useful out of nicotine.
797
00:38:21,660 --> 00:38:26,180
There was a guy at
Georgetown named Ken Keller,
798
00:38:26,180 --> 00:38:29,910
and Ken who's still there, still kicking.
799
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:33,110
Ken had what been one of
the first people to identify
800
00:38:33,110 --> 00:38:36,310
that Alzheimer's disease
patients lost nicotinic receptors
801
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:37,450
in the brain.
802
00:38:37,450 --> 00:38:38,760
And that was about the same time
803
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,120
that I suggested independently
804
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,480
that we could maybe
stimulate those receptors.
805
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,980
People who are taking nicotine
806
00:38:45,980 --> 00:38:48,530
actually increase the number
of receptors they have
807
00:38:48,530 --> 00:38:49,600
in their brain.
808
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,580
We wanna take advantage of that
809
00:38:51,580 --> 00:38:54,220
to see if we can use that therapeutically.
810
00:38:54,220 --> 00:38:57,410
In the early 2000s I
came up with a crazy idea
811
00:38:57,410 --> 00:39:00,680
with two other colleagues,
Ken Caldeira at Georgetown,
812
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:01,850
and Ed Levin at Duke.
813
00:39:01,850 --> 00:39:05,680
We got a grant funded to do
a small trial with patients
814
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,570
with mild memory loss.
815
00:39:07,570 --> 00:39:09,170
It had positive results.
816
00:39:09,170 --> 00:39:10,840
This first
study was so important
817
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,520
that a massive new grant was approved
818
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,290
to continue this research.
819
00:39:14,290 --> 00:39:15,670
In 2018,
820
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:19,050
Alzheimer's became a trillion
dollar disease worldwide,
821
00:39:19,050 --> 00:39:21,440
and every three seconds
someone is diagnosed
822
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,670
with this tragic disease.
823
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:26,510
Dr. Newhouse's first
study showed that nicotine
824
00:39:26,510 --> 00:39:29,060
could improve the memory
of those with MCI,
825
00:39:29,060 --> 00:39:31,320
a precursor to Alzheimer's.
826
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,720
On a personal note,
827
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:35,420
Jenny and I have had loved
ones forget our names.
828
00:39:35,420 --> 00:39:38,280
It's one of the saddest
things I've ever experienced.
829
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,150
Living with someone who can't
remember their favorite song,
830
00:39:41,150 --> 00:39:44,420
or the names of their
children is devastating.
831
00:39:44,420 --> 00:39:45,600
This felt big.
832
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:51,950
A deep dive into the peer
reviewed scientific literature
833
00:39:51,950 --> 00:39:54,110
shows that nicotine outside of cigarettes
834
00:39:54,110 --> 00:39:56,660
can have positive effects on depression,
835
00:39:56,660 --> 00:39:59,120
high blood pressure, brain function,
836
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:03,090
obesity, Parkinson's, and
a variety of other issues,
837
00:40:03,090 --> 00:40:04,730
including Tourette syndrome
838
00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:07,260
which affects up to 10% of children.
839
00:40:07,260 --> 00:40:10,010
- My daughter was diagnosed
with Tourette Syndrome
840
00:40:10,010 --> 00:40:11,510
when she was six.
841
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:15,040
To watch our child having
these uncontrollable tics
842
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,820
it's painful to watch.
843
00:40:17,810 --> 00:40:20,320
These movements or this breathing.
844
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,610
it's terrifying for you as a parent.
845
00:40:24,610 --> 00:40:27,220
- We saw our daughter really suffer.
846
00:40:27,220 --> 00:40:30,660
She suffered, she would
scratch herself bloody,
847
00:40:30,660 --> 00:40:32,050
and she just couldn't stop,
848
00:40:32,050 --> 00:40:34,070
and she would cry because it hurt,
849
00:40:34,070 --> 00:40:36,060
and we watched her suffer like that.
850
00:40:36,060 --> 00:40:39,490
- And it was Christmas, two years ago,
851
00:40:39,490 --> 00:40:42,930
and her tics were so unbelievably bad
852
00:40:42,930 --> 00:40:47,180
that I panicked and so I
started hitting Google
853
00:40:47,180 --> 00:40:49,030
just trying it was actually at night,
854
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:50,030
and I was panicking.
855
00:40:51,060 --> 00:40:54,710
And in Google I found
this one tiny little story
856
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:58,450
about a study they did at the late '90s
857
00:40:58,450 --> 00:41:01,470
where they tried using a
seven milligram nicotine patch
858
00:41:01,470 --> 00:41:02,910
on children with Tourette's.
859
00:41:05,310 --> 00:41:08,810
The study said, "All
of the children reduce
860
00:41:08,810 --> 00:41:10,420
their Tourette's by half."
861
00:41:10,420 --> 00:41:13,090
So I said I'm going to
buy a patch right now,
862
00:41:13,090 --> 00:41:14,450
and I went to the store and I said,
863
00:41:14,450 --> 00:41:15,690
"We'll put it on her in the morning."
864
00:41:15,690 --> 00:41:19,510
And my sister-in-law actually
found a German version
865
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:22,070
of the story which went into more detail,
866
00:41:22,070 --> 00:41:23,990
and they said use the patch at night.
867
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:27,020
- I had a choice to make to
watch her suffer like this,
868
00:41:27,020 --> 00:41:30,090
or to put a little patch on her.
869
00:41:30,090 --> 00:41:31,770
- So we put on the patch,
870
00:41:31,770 --> 00:41:34,090
and the next morning there were no tics.
871
00:41:34,090 --> 00:41:36,100
It was almost that instantaneous.
872
00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:37,210
- Yes.
- When a child realizes
873
00:41:37,210 --> 00:41:40,180
is that other people notice their tics-
874
00:41:40,180 --> 00:41:41,030
- And watch them.
875
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:41,980
- And now they're aware-
- They laugh.
876
00:41:41,980 --> 00:41:44,610
- That their classmates are watching
877
00:41:44,610 --> 00:41:46,100
and this nicotine patch,
878
00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:49,740
I mean in 24 hours remarkedly different.
879
00:41:49,740 --> 00:41:53,330
And then over time as
they got less and less
880
00:41:53,330 --> 00:41:54,990
nobody noticed in class anymore,
881
00:41:54,990 --> 00:41:57,770
nobody asked, "Why do you
keep making these noises
882
00:41:57,770 --> 00:41:59,170
that are bothering everybody?"
883
00:41:59,170 --> 00:42:01,150
- And she completely
came out of her shell.
884
00:42:01,150 --> 00:42:04,430
It very simply made her life easier,
885
00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:06,530
a hundred times easier.
886
00:42:06,530 --> 00:42:10,250
She's socializing, she has friends.
887
00:42:10,250 --> 00:42:13,010
She didn't socialize before,
888
00:42:13,010 --> 00:42:17,140
she was embarrassed and
afraid to go out to meet kids,
889
00:42:17,140 --> 00:42:20,160
have a slumber party to sleep
over at other kids houses.
890
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,170
- Just recently, my daughter
looked at me and she said,
891
00:42:23,170 --> 00:42:25,310
"You know, I'm not using
the patch anymore."
892
00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:27,200
She says, "My tics are almost gone.
893
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,030
I didn't need it,
894
00:42:28,030 --> 00:42:30,160
so I stopped wearing it."
895
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,870
And all those things you
think like me as a parent
896
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:34,620
I would have thought,"
Oh, I need to wean her off
897
00:42:34,620 --> 00:42:36,450
of this patch we need to go slow."
898
00:42:36,450 --> 00:42:38,220
But she says, "I've been
off it for two weeks."
899
00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:40,380
I said, "Did you notice anything?"
900
00:42:40,380 --> 00:42:41,830
She says, "No, I just stopped wearing it.
901
00:42:41,830 --> 00:42:45,380
I didn't feel anything,
no withdrawal symptoms
902
00:42:45,380 --> 00:42:46,990
or anything crazy like that."
903
00:42:46,990 --> 00:42:50,550
And she used the patch
and and it worked for her.
904
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:52,300
Nicotine gave us our daughter back.
905
00:42:55,310 --> 00:42:57,380
- We're doing a lot more
with nicotinic stuff
906
00:42:57,380 --> 00:42:58,480
than just what I've told you.
907
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,420
So I guess that we're investigating
908
00:43:00,420 --> 00:43:02,660
in late life depression,
909
00:43:02,660 --> 00:43:05,840
we're invest as a potential
adjunct to antidepressants,
910
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,610
MCI, early Alzheimer's
disease, HIV, Down syndrome.
911
00:43:14,910 --> 00:43:17,840
patients with cancer chemotherapy,
912
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,560
other cognitive problems
that occur subsequent
913
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,440
to medical treatment or to other diseases.
914
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,780
- Nicotine.
- Nicotine, yeah.
915
00:43:26,780 --> 00:43:29,370
So nicotine
increases brain function
916
00:43:29,370 --> 00:43:31,440
for millions of people around the world.
917
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,160
Switching from cigarettes
to a safer delivery method
918
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,230
for taking nicotine was estimated
919
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:39,900
to reduce hundreds of millions
of early deaths this century.
920
00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:42,240
We calculated the potential lives impacted
921
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:45,810
with all these medical
conditions, not just cancer,
922
00:43:45,810 --> 00:43:48,370
but Alzheimer's, obesity,
anxiety, depression,
923
00:43:48,370 --> 00:43:51,620
the number was over 2 billion.
924
00:43:51,620 --> 00:43:53,900
Nicotine has benefits for people.
925
00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:56,960
Why is this conversation
shrouded in doubt?
926
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,710
Why are these people subjected to shame?
927
00:44:00,710 --> 00:44:05,600
How can we pretend that this
is not a human rights issue?
928
00:44:06,450 --> 00:44:10,390
Our first reaction to
this realization was fear.
929
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:12,000
Would anybody believe us?
930
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,180
Will this film be called
Pro-smoking Propaganda?
931
00:44:16,180 --> 00:44:17,970
It was a lot to take in.
932
00:44:17,970 --> 00:44:20,780
Nobody wants to be called crazy.
933
00:44:20,780 --> 00:44:23,540
With billions of dollars being
spent by activists each year
934
00:44:23,540 --> 00:44:26,150
to stigmatize people who use nicotine,
935
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:28,940
it was clear that there was a war ahead.
936
00:44:28,940 --> 00:44:31,780
Why would anyone use nicotine medicinally,
937
00:44:31,780 --> 00:44:33,160
if they're afraid of it,
938
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,090
or bullied for using it.
939
00:44:35,090 --> 00:44:39,030
Looking ahead we saw three
big battles on the horizon,
940
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:41,610
but the frantic pace
of most people's lives
941
00:44:41,610 --> 00:44:43,690
much of the public relies
on their health leaders
942
00:44:43,690 --> 00:44:45,410
to help them.
943
00:44:45,410 --> 00:44:47,090
Whenever new evidence appears,
944
00:44:47,090 --> 00:44:50,600
the Public Health Committee
often move slowly.
945
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,440
The first big obstacle to
better health is usually pride.
946
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,900
Any benefits to nicotine?
947
00:44:55,900 --> 00:44:57,370
- No.
948
00:44:57,370 --> 00:45:01,920
- There's deep deep
mistrust and a bordering
949
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,210
on hatred of the tobacco industry
950
00:45:05,210 --> 00:45:08,380
which has been deceitful, and
lied to people, and killed.
951
00:45:08,380 --> 00:45:11,660
And just like the song by The Who,
952
00:45:11,660 --> 00:45:13,230
"Won't Get Fooled Again."
953
00:45:13,230 --> 00:45:16,210
- FDA invited me to a
meeting a few years ago
954
00:45:16,210 --> 00:45:18,340
to talk about this data.
955
00:45:18,340 --> 00:45:21,360
And I remember getting up there
956
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,320
and showing this blood pressure data,
957
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,680
and showed, sounds like
a good anti-hypertensive.
958
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,550
And this woman who's an internist,
who's on the panel said,
959
00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:34,160
"Well, I just don't believe this data."
960
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,710
And I said, "Well, I'm
sorry, it's the data,
961
00:45:35,710 --> 00:45:37,770
you can believe it or not,
962
00:45:37,770 --> 00:45:40,290
but I'm just showing you
what the data is actually."
963
00:45:40,290 --> 00:45:43,940
- Like many people when
the first appearance
964
00:45:43,940 --> 00:45:48,940
of e-cigarettes occurred around
2007 in the United States,
965
00:45:49,410 --> 00:45:51,530
we didn't have a lot of science.
966
00:45:51,530 --> 00:45:56,530
And as a scientist I actually
published two early articles
967
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,510
and did one of the very
first scientific studies
968
00:46:00,510 --> 00:46:03,340
of the toxicants in e-cigarettes.
969
00:46:03,340 --> 00:46:07,410
And all of that told me
that we didn't know enough
970
00:46:07,410 --> 00:46:10,420
to know how much harm there was,
971
00:46:10,420 --> 00:46:12,380
whether they were really less harmful
972
00:46:12,380 --> 00:46:14,800
than burning cigarettes,
973
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,500
and so I took a stance of conservativism,
974
00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:22,710
and I said, these could have a potential.
975
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:24,980
I said, they have promise
and there's peril,
976
00:46:24,980 --> 00:46:27,570
but until we know more
they should be taken off
977
00:46:27,570 --> 00:46:28,970
the market completely,
978
00:46:28,970 --> 00:46:30,840
and only when the science shows
979
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,810
that they are safe and effective
should we put them back
980
00:46:33,810 --> 00:46:34,660
on the market.
981
00:46:34,660 --> 00:46:37,100
The science actually in
the last two or three years
982
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:39,390
has become incredibly strong,
983
00:46:39,390 --> 00:46:42,040
and there's now a consensus on that.
984
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:46,760
So I changed my mind and it
was the science that drove me
985
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,080
to change my mind, nothing else
986
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,670
in order to use the science
to see how we can thread
987
00:46:52,670 --> 00:46:55,780
that moving needle to save
more lives more quickly
988
00:46:55,780 --> 00:46:57,320
than we've been able to do so far.
989
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:58,810
But it's a long haul.
990
00:46:58,810 --> 00:47:00,470
What keeps you going?
991
00:47:00,470 --> 00:47:01,370
- Well,
992
00:47:05,130 --> 00:47:05,960
we're winning.
993
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,930
If you go back and look at this battle
994
00:47:09,930 --> 00:47:14,930
you have this rich, powerful,
unscrupulous industry,
995
00:47:15,810 --> 00:47:20,810
and a relatively ragtag group
of rebels has taken it down.
996
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,750
- Many of the anti-tobacco
people I think their fight
997
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:30,750
isn't fight with the
harmful effects of smoking.
998
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,470
It's more to get down
the tobacco industry,
999
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:35,590
that's the goal.
1000
00:47:35,590 --> 00:47:37,970
- Suddenly, we had a new technology
1001
00:47:37,970 --> 00:47:39,650
that disrupted that and said,
1002
00:47:39,650 --> 00:47:43,760
"We can deliver nicotine
in a satisfying way
1003
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,740
that doesn't kill you."
1004
00:47:45,740 --> 00:47:48,010
- You hear these arguments
made all the time.
1005
00:47:48,010 --> 00:47:51,440
It's like, "Well, are
you gonna ban coffee?
1006
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,210
Are you gonna ban chocolate?"
1007
00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:55,520
You know they say there's
nothing wrong with nicotine,
1008
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,270
it's just another harmless drug.
1009
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:59,940
And unfortunately, even the FDA,
1010
00:47:59,940 --> 00:48:01,590
sometimes you hear them saying it
1011
00:48:01,590 --> 00:48:03,970
which I think is very irresponsible.
1012
00:48:03,970 --> 00:48:05,230
I know you
get a lot of trolls too.
1013
00:48:05,230 --> 00:48:06,060
- I know, I know.
1014
00:48:06,060 --> 00:48:07,540
- And they're throwing
a lot of stuff at us,
1015
00:48:07,540 --> 00:48:09,720
like Royal College of Physicians.
1016
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:12,450
I mean, they seem to be
sort of governmental,
1017
00:48:12,450 --> 00:48:13,530
I mean, what do you say about that?
1018
00:48:13,530 --> 00:48:15,040
- Well, the Royal College of Physicians,
1019
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,150
I don't know if you know the
old science fiction movie,
1020
00:48:17,150 --> 00:48:19,140
"Invasion of the Body Snatchers"
1021
00:48:19,140 --> 00:48:22,320
where people's bodies
got taken over by aliens.
1022
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,750
I mean, that's how I look
at England and e-cigarettes.
1023
00:48:24,750 --> 00:48:26,700
- They get you when you sleep.
1024
00:48:26,700 --> 00:48:28,100
Sit up.
1025
00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:31,440
"Invasion of the Body Snatchers."
1026
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:32,370
- If it's not showing a four,
1027
00:48:32,370 --> 00:48:33,410
that's a nonsmoker reading.
1028
00:48:33,410 --> 00:48:34,240
Nonsmoker usually-
1029
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:36,030
- Ina uses an e-cigarette.
1030
00:48:36,030 --> 00:48:39,030
The test is overseen by
Professor Peter Hayak.
1031
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:41,570
- Many people out there
saying that nicotine itself
1032
00:48:41,570 --> 00:48:43,750
is a dangerous poison,
1033
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:47,720
but if nicotine is taken without
the accompanying toxicants,
1034
00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:50,450
then the health effects
would be very similar
1035
00:48:50,450 --> 00:48:51,470
to drinking coffee.
1036
00:48:51,470 --> 00:48:52,910
- They haven't seen any evidence
1037
00:48:52,910 --> 00:48:55,910
of e-cigarettes causing cancer
or these other diseases.
1038
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:58,340
- We produced a practical
document for midwives,
1039
00:48:58,340 --> 00:49:01,980
and crucially, if you see
the age of the organizations
1040
00:49:01,980 --> 00:49:04,240
that have endorsed it here,
1041
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:07,130
we also have the Royal
College Of Midwives.
1042
00:49:07,130 --> 00:49:09,250
Can I use an e-cigarette
to help me quit smoking?
1043
00:49:09,250 --> 00:49:12,090
The answer is yes and explains why.
1044
00:49:12,090 --> 00:49:14,780
Is it okay for others to
use e-cigarettes around me?
1045
00:49:14,780 --> 00:49:15,720
The answer is yes.
1046
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:17,380
We just tried to be very clear.
1047
00:49:17,380 --> 00:49:20,160
- It's not dangerous to be near someone
1048
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,410
who's using an electronic cigarette.
1049
00:49:22,410 --> 00:49:26,090
There's really no evidence and
actually very little reason
1050
00:49:26,090 --> 00:49:31,030
to believe that it's gonna
re-normalize smoking,
1051
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:32,310
so what's the problem?
1052
00:49:32,310 --> 00:49:34,680
- And I have a lot of friends over there,
1053
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,070
people I've worked with for a long time,
1054
00:49:37,070 --> 00:49:39,440
who just are in love with e-cigarettes,
1055
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,920
people with long credentials of working,
1056
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,890
doing good work on tobacco.
1057
00:49:44,890 --> 00:49:47,550
- It's very hard to change one's mind
1058
00:49:47,550 --> 00:49:52,550
when for 30 or 40 years you've
believed one set of facts,
1059
00:49:52,850 --> 00:49:56,070
and pride yourself in
having made recommendations
1060
00:49:56,070 --> 00:50:00,670
based on that and then you
begin to see a big change.
1061
00:50:00,670 --> 00:50:03,910
- And one of the things
that's to me as an academic
1062
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:04,940
who's old,
1063
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,100
is very gratifying
1064
00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:08,940
as I've seen all this before.
1065
00:50:08,940 --> 00:50:11,030
Health groups are kind of
scurrying around trying
1066
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:12,170
to get their act together.
1067
00:50:12,170 --> 00:50:15,750
But I've seen this before,
1068
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:18,370
I'm confident with the health groups
1069
00:50:18,370 --> 00:50:20,130
and people like me will.
1070
00:50:20,130 --> 00:50:21,960
- There is ego involved,
1071
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,920
and it's hard to admit
1072
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,110
that something is changing so radically.
1073
00:50:28,110 --> 00:50:29,860
And I still struggle with that,
1074
00:50:29,860 --> 00:50:34,860
because my brain is wired
to think all the old things
1075
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:37,830
that I've thought for 40 years.
1076
00:50:37,830 --> 00:50:41,460
- I mean, I just continue
to be totally befuddled.
1077
00:50:41,460 --> 00:50:42,810
- And you scratch your head,
1078
00:50:42,810 --> 00:50:46,870
and the first reaction I think
is I wanna be conservative,
1079
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:51,180
I'm not convinced that
this new science is real.
1080
00:50:51,180 --> 00:50:54,590
- It becomes part of your
self-identity and self-worth,
1081
00:50:55,550 --> 00:50:57,730
people look up to you, whatever,
1082
00:50:57,730 --> 00:51:01,130
all of that, it's all in play.
1083
00:51:01,130 --> 00:51:03,530
- My friends who have
their midlife crisis,
1084
00:51:03,530 --> 00:51:05,960
it's like, "Oh, my God, I've turned 50,"
1085
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,260
which seems a long time ago to me,
1086
00:51:08,260 --> 00:51:10,500
and "Oh, my God, what
have I done with my life?"
1087
00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:11,620
Well, I don't feel that way,
1088
00:51:11,620 --> 00:51:13,020
I mean, you look around the world.
1089
00:51:13,020 --> 00:51:15,190
It's a different place
because of the work people
1090
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:16,660
like me have done,
1091
00:51:16,660 --> 00:51:18,810
and it's very satisfying.
1092
00:51:18,810 --> 00:51:19,820
We're winning.
1093
00:51:20,930 --> 00:51:22,190
- The second big obstacle
1094
00:51:22,190 --> 00:51:23,820
to helping people understand the risks
1095
00:51:23,820 --> 00:51:27,070
and benefits of nicotine
is misinformation.
1096
00:51:27,070 --> 00:51:30,660
Once people and the media get
talking points from leaders,
1097
00:51:30,660 --> 00:51:32,880
it's very hard to change their opinion.
1098
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,840
We asked people around the world
1099
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,920
what they thought about nicotine.
1100
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,000
Their answers were not surprising.
1101
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,970
We are doing a documentary about nicotine
1102
00:51:41,970 --> 00:51:43,410
that's called "You Don't Know Nicotine."
1103
00:51:43,410 --> 00:51:45,460
What do you know about nicotine?
1104
00:51:45,460 --> 00:51:47,070
- I know it's not very
good for your health.
1105
00:51:47,070 --> 00:51:48,010
- Very addictive.
1106
00:51:49,570 --> 00:51:50,600
I wouldn't recommend it.
1107
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,270
- It ruins you.
1108
00:51:52,270 --> 00:51:55,310
- It's in cigarettes and
it's not healthy for you.
1109
00:51:55,310 --> 00:51:57,300
- What do you know about it?
1110
00:51:57,300 --> 00:51:58,150
- Not much I guess.
1111
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,670
- That works for the name of it.
1112
00:52:01,670 --> 00:52:03,300
- It's supposed to be bad for you, right?
1113
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:05,040
We were curious
what elected officials
1114
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,010
were being told by
traditional health leaders
1115
00:52:07,010 --> 00:52:09,940
about safer ways to take nicotine.
1116
00:52:09,940 --> 00:52:11,540
We learned about a
hearing that was happening
1117
00:52:11,540 --> 00:52:13,500
in the Montana legislature
1118
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:15,010
before they voted on a law
1119
00:52:15,010 --> 00:52:16,980
to ban certain clean nicotine devices
1120
00:52:16,980 --> 00:52:19,010
anywhere smoking was banned.
1121
00:52:19,010 --> 00:52:22,760
So we packed up our gear and
drove 21 hours to Montana.
1122
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,510
Just as we arrived we got word
1123
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:27,610
that the hearing was canceled.
1124
00:52:27,610 --> 00:52:29,670
We were contacted by
one of the local shops
1125
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:31,840
that sells nicotine vapor devices.
1126
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,010
They had some surprising information.
1127
00:52:35,010 --> 00:52:36,360
- Sidney, Frederick you're ready?
- Yeah.
1128
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,490
All right, let's go.
1129
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:48,670
Total crisis.
1130
00:52:48,670 --> 00:52:51,380
- Yeah, what happened on that?
1131
00:52:51,380 --> 00:52:52,640
- They were trying to
say in the community,
1132
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,270
well of course all health
care people were up there
1133
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:58,040
just happy, big shitty
and smiles on their faces,
1134
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,170
'cause we weren't there.
- How did they?
1135
00:53:00,170 --> 00:53:02,250
- And they did all their testimony
1136
00:53:02,250 --> 00:53:04,130
and all their lies like they always do,
1137
00:53:04,130 --> 00:53:05,990
and I'm like they're hearing our bill.
1138
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:08,020
He's like, "I'm on my way down there."
1139
00:53:08,020 --> 00:53:10,460
And he went down there
and says this is bull,
1140
00:53:10,460 --> 00:53:13,380
we got noticed that it
was canceled, showed it,
1141
00:53:13,380 --> 00:53:14,740
and said there nobody's here,
1142
00:53:14,740 --> 00:53:18,240
all these people were gonna
be here to oppose this.
1143
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:20,530
It just happened, we watch it live.
1144
00:53:20,530 --> 00:53:21,360
- Oh, you are...
- There's a lot,
1145
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,320
yeah, there's a live stream.
1146
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:24,570
Come on in.
1147
00:53:24,570 --> 00:53:26,210
And you pull it up in Montana,
1148
00:53:26,210 --> 00:53:27,040
and you can sit there and watch it.
1149
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:27,950
- Oh really.
1150
00:53:27,950 --> 00:53:29,260
And this is the-
1151
00:53:29,260 --> 00:53:31,110
- Okay.
- Total crisis.
1152
00:53:31,110 --> 00:53:33,150
Okay, so is that
actually the one right there?
1153
00:53:33,150 --> 00:53:34,740
- Yeah, like they're live right now.
1154
00:53:34,740 --> 00:53:36,570
It's live right now.
1155
00:53:36,570 --> 00:53:39,160
- Canceled hearing and
here's what he sent.
1156
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:40,830
- This says I just want you to know,
1157
00:53:40,830 --> 00:53:42,480
so you don't waste your time
and money coming up here
1158
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:43,780
that it's canceled.
- Oh my goodness.
1159
00:53:43,780 --> 00:53:46,380
- Canceled hearing Hb 653.
1160
00:53:46,380 --> 00:53:47,370
- Well, that is some shady stuff.
1161
00:53:47,370 --> 00:53:48,700
- Yeah, it was bad.
1162
00:53:48,700 --> 00:53:49,860
It was really bad.
1163
00:53:49,860 --> 00:53:50,810
- This is the Bill.
1164
00:53:52,050 --> 00:53:55,670
And so what it would do,
1165
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:57,620
yeah, they wanted to change it
1166
00:53:57,620 --> 00:53:59,600
to electronic smoking devices.
1167
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:00,430
- Oh my goodness.
1168
00:54:00,430 --> 00:54:01,260
- Somebody wanna show me what that is.
1169
00:54:01,260 --> 00:54:02,090
Smoking device?
1170
00:54:02,090 --> 00:54:03,160
Oh goodness.
- Yeah.
1171
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:04,810
This felt
like a deliberate effort
1172
00:54:04,810 --> 00:54:07,410
to keep this information
away from the public,
1173
00:54:07,410 --> 00:54:09,450
but who was behind it?
1174
00:54:09,450 --> 00:54:11,630
Thankfully the United
States has a law called
1175
00:54:11,630 --> 00:54:14,950
the Freedom Of Information Act, or FOIA,
1176
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:17,140
which allows the general
public to gain access
1177
00:54:17,140 --> 00:54:18,820
to government documents.
1178
00:54:18,820 --> 00:54:20,980
- We filed a Freedom of Information Act
1179
00:54:20,980 --> 00:54:22,070
when we were in Ravalli County
1180
00:54:22,070 --> 00:54:23,910
when we walked in to pick it up.
1181
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:28,240
It was 5,000 pages of
double-sided printed papers.
1182
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:32,560
Boom, on the counter that'll be $1300.
1183
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,540
So we paid it and it turned out
1184
00:54:34,540 --> 00:54:37,480
to be the best $1300 I ever spent,
1185
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:38,690
because now,
1186
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,230
I know how they're doing things
1187
00:54:41,230 --> 00:54:44,820
behind the scenes, and it's pretty dirty.
1188
00:54:44,820 --> 00:54:46,410
I feel like there's some
corruption going on,
1189
00:54:46,410 --> 00:54:50,250
I think there's some kind of
behind the scenes dealings
1190
00:54:50,250 --> 00:54:51,430
going on right now,
1191
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:53,000
that we're unaware of.
1192
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,210
We've had strings of e-mails
where they were trying
1193
00:54:56,210 --> 00:54:57,660
to make ads.
1194
00:54:57,660 --> 00:55:00,710
They're going back and forth
between one of these employees
1195
00:55:00,710 --> 00:55:04,200
at the health department
with a media company.
1196
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,030
She says in here,
1197
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:07,020
"Hey Laureline, thanks
for the sample images.
1198
00:55:07,020 --> 00:55:09,470
If you could just alter
labels of the vape juices
1199
00:55:09,470 --> 00:55:11,700
to portray toxicity that'd be great.
1200
00:55:11,700 --> 00:55:14,180
You could show a mod bean
filled with antifreeze.
1201
00:55:14,180 --> 00:55:16,290
Below are a couple of
photos of vape flavors
1202
00:55:16,290 --> 00:55:17,410
with vape around them.
1203
00:55:17,410 --> 00:55:20,790
I can alter those labels to
for a nasty ingredients."
1204
00:55:20,790 --> 00:55:23,910
Is it reaching to show a
young person on a respirator
1205
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:28,010
with an asthma inhaler
with vaping isn't harmless.
1206
00:55:28,010 --> 00:55:30,030
We could do shots of kids vaping
1207
00:55:30,030 --> 00:55:32,710
and shots with them with inhalers.
1208
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:34,540
This was from Jen McFarland,
1209
00:55:34,540 --> 00:55:37,160
she works for the Gallatin
County Health Department.
1210
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,460
They're saying, "alter
the labels, make the kids
1211
00:55:39,460 --> 00:55:40,540
think they're horrible."
1212
00:55:40,540 --> 00:55:42,920
And they're lying about it.
1213
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:44,340
- There are a lot of different sources
1214
00:55:44,340 --> 00:55:47,610
of information that kind
of are blurring together
1215
00:55:47,610 --> 00:55:49,790
and amplifying to all of this.
1216
00:55:49,790 --> 00:55:53,160
- I was involved in a lot
of underground activism,
1217
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,740
and now, I mean, I do
a little bit of that.
1218
00:55:55,740 --> 00:55:57,940
But there are other
people who they're doing
1219
00:55:57,940 --> 00:56:01,170
that full-time and I can
really devote my energies
1220
00:56:01,170 --> 00:56:04,100
to continuing to build the knowledge base,
1221
00:56:04,100 --> 00:56:06,430
and as one friend of mine described
1222
00:56:06,430 --> 00:56:09,360
that we make the rocks that we
hand to the people to throw.
1223
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,120
- Nicotine is as addictive as heroin.
1224
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:13,730
- Nicotine is highly addictive
1225
00:56:13,730 --> 00:56:16,850
and can cause loss of control.
1226
00:56:16,850 --> 00:56:18,620
- Let's start with just nicotine itself.
1227
00:56:18,620 --> 00:56:20,570
We know that nicotine
is extremely addictive.
1228
00:56:20,570 --> 00:56:22,340
- And nicotine is so addictive.
1229
00:56:22,340 --> 00:56:23,780
Don't forget, nicotine is one
1230
00:56:23,780 --> 00:56:26,470
of the most addictive
substances out there.
1231
00:56:31,890 --> 00:56:33,200
Is nicotine equally addictive
1232
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,610
in all forms of views?
1233
00:56:34,610 --> 00:56:35,440
- Yes.
1234
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,840
- It's just not true.
1235
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,130
It's not true if you look
at the objective evidence,
1236
00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:44,530
nicotine by itself is
not very reinforcing.
1237
00:56:44,530 --> 00:56:49,150
- Nicotine effects depend
on the delivery system.
1238
00:56:49,150 --> 00:56:52,880
So the cigarette, really, we
shouldn't be saying nicotine
1239
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:53,710
in this context.
1240
00:56:53,710 --> 00:56:55,830
We should be saying
nicotine in a cigarette.
1241
00:56:55,830 --> 00:56:58,350
- I can tell you that nicotine
patches aren't addictive.
1242
00:56:58,350 --> 00:57:00,150
Why do I know that?
1243
00:57:00,150 --> 00:57:02,710
Because they're sold over the
counter in every drugstore
1244
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:07,460
in this country, and no one
buys them for fun, okay.
1245
00:57:07,460 --> 00:57:11,100
Now kids aren't trading nicotine
patches on the playground,
1246
00:57:11,100 --> 00:57:12,610
because it's not reinforcing.
1247
00:57:12,610 --> 00:57:15,480
Nicotine directly administered
to the bloodstream
1248
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,370
is not a fun drug.
1249
00:57:17,370 --> 00:57:18,910
- We do not have a problem
1250
00:57:18,910 --> 00:57:22,400
of seeing the users taking too much
1251
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,040
and chewing up all their
gums or taking more patches
1252
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,450
than necessary.
1253
00:57:27,450 --> 00:57:31,400
The problem is actually
to get them to take enough
1254
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,490
and for a long time enough.
1255
00:57:33,490 --> 00:57:35,760
Whenever I
hear the word addiction,
1256
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,100
I picture someone on the floor
passed from a drug overdose,
1257
00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:41,440
or my high school teacher who died
1258
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,200
from alcohol related heart problems
1259
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,970
after a life of struggling
with cigarettes and alcoholism.
1260
00:57:46,970 --> 00:57:49,420
Addiction is a serious problem.
1261
00:57:49,420 --> 00:57:52,190
- I am a licensed clinical psychologist
1262
00:57:52,190 --> 00:57:56,190
and I've treated severe
addictions for many, many years
1263
00:57:56,190 --> 00:57:59,750
in an outpatient and inpatient
psychiatric hospital.
1264
00:57:59,750 --> 00:58:02,670
Addiction is a tricky word,
1265
00:58:02,670 --> 00:58:05,730
and unfortunately we use it very loosely,
1266
00:58:05,730 --> 00:58:08,330
so it can mean a severe addiction,
1267
00:58:08,330 --> 00:58:11,480
like hooked on
methamphetamine to the point
1268
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,270
where almost nothing else
matters in your life,
1269
00:58:14,270 --> 00:58:17,400
and you go into a downward
spiral where all you care
1270
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,460
about is getting your next fix.
1271
00:58:19,460 --> 00:58:21,260
And to me that's a true addiction
1272
00:58:21,260 --> 00:58:24,550
that has massive, harmful consequences.
1273
00:58:24,550 --> 00:58:26,490
Given the research
that the FDA reviewed
1274
00:58:26,490 --> 00:58:28,960
before approving nicotine
patches and gums,
1275
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,470
and the experience in Sweden with Snus,
1276
00:58:31,470 --> 00:58:34,250
the lifelong use of nicotine
itself does not seem
1277
00:58:34,250 --> 00:58:36,420
to fit the definition of addiction
1278
00:58:36,420 --> 00:58:39,040
any more than lifelong use of caffeine.
1279
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,810
However, if it's not addictive
why do some people use it
1280
00:58:42,810 --> 00:58:44,450
for their entire lives?
1281
00:58:44,450 --> 00:58:46,520
That feels like an addiction.
1282
00:58:47,730 --> 00:58:51,050
- To get rats to become regular responders
1283
00:58:51,050 --> 00:58:53,220
to nicotine on a lever,
1284
00:58:53,220 --> 00:58:58,220
you need to make them either
very hungry for example,
1285
00:58:59,460 --> 00:59:03,870
or you make them anxious
with electrical shock
1286
00:59:03,870 --> 00:59:05,410
in their tail or something,
1287
00:59:05,410 --> 00:59:08,730
then they are more likely
to take the nicotine
1288
00:59:08,730 --> 00:59:11,460
- So it's not like heroin,
or cocaine, or opiates
1289
00:59:11,460 --> 00:59:14,390
that rats will do anything for.
1290
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:16,070
- If they do not seem to have any
1291
00:59:16,070 --> 00:59:18,590
of these troubles and problems,
1292
00:59:18,590 --> 00:59:22,970
they are less motivated to take nicotine.
1293
00:59:22,970 --> 00:59:24,860
So that might have similarities
1294
00:59:24,860 --> 00:59:29,860
to what kind of people
today become tobacco users.
1295
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,120
Looking at available
data, this all makes sense.
1296
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,220
The highest rates of nicotine
users around the world
1297
00:59:37,220 --> 00:59:40,210
are found in societal groups
facing significant issues
1298
00:59:40,210 --> 00:59:41,500
or hostility,
1299
00:59:41,500 --> 00:59:43,800
specifically Indigenous tribes,
1300
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,730
the LGBTQ community,
1301
00:59:45,730 --> 00:59:47,630
and those with mental illness.
1302
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:52,540
Often the users of nicotine
products are ignored or shamed.
1303
00:59:52,540 --> 00:59:55,600
It feels like their voices get lost.
1304
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,930
So we talked to a couple
people who use nicotine
1305
00:59:57,930 --> 01:00:00,240
to get their perspective on this.
1306
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:01,750
- If you have home problems
1307
01:00:01,750 --> 01:00:03,890
or other things going on in your life,
1308
01:00:03,890 --> 01:00:05,040
that it definitely.
1309
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:06,180
Once you start using it,
1310
01:00:06,180 --> 01:00:07,990
it's definitely much more appealing.
1311
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:11,200
So if you have something hard going on,
1312
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:12,550
and you're trying to get through things,
1313
01:00:12,550 --> 01:00:14,160
it definitely helps if you've
got something like that.
1314
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,220
- When I was younger
struggling with mental illness,
1315
01:00:17,220 --> 01:00:19,680
I turned to anything that
would make me feel different,
1316
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:23,820
and cigarettes was probably
one of the first things.
1317
01:00:23,820 --> 01:00:26,190
I struggled in the beginning
with wanting to quit cigarettes
1318
01:00:26,190 --> 01:00:28,240
because I heard of how bad it is,
1319
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,030
the cancer scares and all that stuff.
1320
01:00:30,030 --> 01:00:32,180
And as soon as vaping hit the scene,
1321
01:00:32,180 --> 01:00:35,600
I was so excited to find
a healthier alternative,
1322
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,600
and I wanted to also just
quit nicotine in general
1323
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:39,660
and just taper off,
1324
01:00:39,660 --> 01:00:43,690
and then I did more research on why people
1325
01:00:43,690 --> 01:00:46,680
with mental illness actually
enjoy nicotine so much.
1326
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:47,610
There's all these studies saying
1327
01:00:47,610 --> 01:00:49,260
it actually helps your brain,
1328
01:00:49,260 --> 01:00:50,090
it helps you calm down,
1329
01:00:50,090 --> 01:00:51,340
it's for like Alzheimer's,
1330
01:00:51,340 --> 01:00:53,630
and I will probably use nicotine for life.
1331
01:00:53,630 --> 01:00:55,870
- Some people may not
be able to give it up
1332
01:00:55,870 --> 01:00:58,460
not because they don't have the control,
1333
01:00:58,460 --> 01:01:00,300
and it's an addiction.
1334
01:01:00,300 --> 01:01:03,020
And everybody beats
themselves over the head,
1335
01:01:03,020 --> 01:01:04,780
"Why don't I have the willpower?
1336
01:01:04,780 --> 01:01:06,280
Why am I so addicted?
1337
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,310
Why can't I quit?"
1338
01:01:08,310 --> 01:01:12,550
And the reason may be because
your brain likes nicotine
1339
01:01:12,550 --> 01:01:13,710
and wants to use it.
1340
01:01:13,710 --> 01:01:16,880
- Now the problem with just
giving it to everybody,
1341
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,540
is that it turns out that
nicotinic functioning
1342
01:01:20,540 --> 01:01:23,760
is on an upside-down U-shaped function.
1343
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,570
So if you're already
functioning up at the top here
1344
01:01:27,570 --> 01:01:28,400
of the curve,
1345
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:33,200
then I stimulate you with nicotine,
1346
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,600
you'll just actually get impaired.
1347
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,170
If you're already functioning well,
1348
01:01:37,170 --> 01:01:38,600
nicotine isn't gonna help.
1349
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,490
But if you're functioning
at the bottom of the curve,
1350
01:01:42,420 --> 01:01:44,020
you're all the way down here,
1351
01:01:44,020 --> 01:01:45,490
and now I stimulate,
1352
01:01:45,490 --> 01:01:48,300
I push your nicotinic
functioning this way,
1353
01:01:48,300 --> 01:01:50,280
you'll go up towards the top.
1354
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,280
So far, it seems
like there are good reasons
1355
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:53,110
to use it,
1356
01:01:53,110 --> 01:01:55,110
but some reasons not to.
1357
01:01:55,110 --> 01:01:57,210
If your brain is
functioning at full capacity
1358
01:01:57,210 --> 01:01:59,510
without major distractions or illness,
1359
01:01:59,510 --> 01:02:02,840
it appears to lower your ability
for the brain to function.
1360
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,730
It's also not a good idea for most people
1361
01:02:04,730 --> 01:02:07,350
to use it while going through
adolescent brain development.
1362
01:02:07,350 --> 01:02:10,990
The same goes for caffeine,
alcohol, or sugar.
1363
01:02:10,990 --> 01:02:13,680
They all affect how the brain develops.
1364
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,480
That's a few good reasons why
most people should not go out
1365
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,940
and buy a bunch of nicotine
patches right after the movie.
1366
01:02:19,940 --> 01:02:21,530
Another reason that some people give
1367
01:02:21,530 --> 01:02:23,520
for why clean nicotine is bad,
1368
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:24,940
is because it might get people
1369
01:02:24,940 --> 01:02:26,710
to start smoking cigarettes
1370
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:29,600
which are very dangerous
to long term health.
1371
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,380
They call this the gateway effect.
1372
01:02:32,380 --> 01:02:34,730
- So much research has shown
that using e-cigarettes,
1373
01:02:34,730 --> 01:02:36,570
it's actually a gateway to smoking,
1374
01:02:36,570 --> 01:02:38,690
- Watch the vape here we go.
- Okay.
1375
01:02:38,690 --> 01:02:41,220
- Boom, if you vape you're more likely
1376
01:02:41,220 --> 01:02:42,490
to start smoking cigarettes.
1377
01:02:42,490 --> 01:02:44,080
- It's the fact that it is a gateway
1378
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:45,930
to traditional cigarette use.
1379
01:02:45,930 --> 01:02:47,020
If this is true,
1380
01:02:47,020 --> 01:02:48,290
that would be a major reason
1381
01:02:48,290 --> 01:02:50,460
to never start using nicotine.
1382
01:02:50,460 --> 01:02:53,370
Smoking is simply not worth
it because the chemicals
1383
01:02:53,370 --> 01:02:56,250
in the smoke are proven to
lead to higher risk of stroke,
1384
01:02:56,250 --> 01:02:58,770
heart disease, and cancer.
1385
01:02:58,770 --> 01:03:02,130
While in Montana, we met a
popular YouTuber named Matt Kelly
1386
01:03:02,130 --> 01:03:04,590
who got mouth cancer from smoking.
1387
01:03:04,590 --> 01:03:08,150
- When I was 30, I got squamous
cell carcinoma on my lip.
1388
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:10,910
Basically right where a cigarette,
1389
01:03:10,910 --> 01:03:12,210
that my cigarette would hit.
1390
01:03:12,210 --> 01:03:17,210
After I had oral cancer and
then had surgery and stuff,
1391
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,420
I didn't smoke again for a few months,
1392
01:03:20,420 --> 01:03:22,480
and then something comes up,
1393
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:23,790
and you get stressed out,
1394
01:03:23,790 --> 01:03:25,070
and you reach for that cigarette.
1395
01:03:25,070 --> 01:03:29,900
And around then was when I
got my first gas station vape,
1396
01:03:29,900 --> 01:03:32,790
and that was just enough to
like intrigue me into thinking,
1397
01:03:32,790 --> 01:03:35,580
"Okay, there's gotta be
something to this here."
1398
01:03:35,580 --> 01:03:38,440
And that's when I started
researching online
1399
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,730
and realizing that there
was a whole new world
1400
01:03:41,730 --> 01:03:45,910
of products out there that was
the ticket to quit long term,
1401
01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:47,880
and I haven't had a cigarette
1402
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:49,940
in I think almost seven years now.
1403
01:03:49,940 --> 01:03:52,040
I mean, it's one of the
most effective tools
1404
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:53,980
for people to get off cigarettes.
1405
01:03:53,980 --> 01:03:56,010
As the risks
of nicotine use went down
1406
01:03:56,010 --> 01:03:58,500
with new safer nicotine delivery methods,
1407
01:03:58,500 --> 01:04:01,510
the use of nicotine among teens went up.
1408
01:04:01,510 --> 01:04:05,100
We saw Wells Fargo analyst
Bonnie Herzog speak about this.
1409
01:04:05,100 --> 01:04:07,620
Smoking is dead.
1410
01:04:07,620 --> 01:04:09,140
But a new problem is here.
1411
01:04:09,140 --> 01:04:13,440
- As innovation keeps hopefully
coming to the marketplace,
1412
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,290
I would imagine that that
could accelerate in the future.
1413
01:04:17,820 --> 01:04:19,780
I thought this quote the
last one at the bottom
1414
01:04:19,780 --> 01:04:20,900
of this slide if you guys can see
1415
01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:22,310
in the back was interesting.
1416
01:04:22,310 --> 01:04:25,440
The Gen Z which my God they're young,
1417
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:29,130
they're not smoking, retails are too high.
1418
01:04:29,130 --> 01:04:31,330
This retailer said pricing power is dead
1419
01:04:31,330 --> 01:04:33,180
and people are moving to vape.
1420
01:04:33,180 --> 01:04:35,150
- So obviously, it's not a good thing
1421
01:04:35,150 --> 01:04:39,670
that a kid is starting on
nicotine at that early age,
1422
01:04:39,670 --> 01:04:42,440
but then they throw out
these other arguments
1423
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,580
that it's like it's a gateway to smoking.
1424
01:04:45,580 --> 01:04:47,450
- You see on on the news,
1425
01:04:47,450 --> 01:04:51,090
or the news shows, or
whatever significant numbers
1426
01:04:51,090 --> 01:04:53,210
of new users that there was an epidemic,
1427
01:04:53,210 --> 01:04:57,350
so new users among the youth population.
1428
01:04:57,350 --> 01:04:58,950
That may be true,
1429
01:04:58,950 --> 01:05:01,060
but they didn't give us the whole story.
1430
01:05:01,060 --> 01:05:02,610
We're still kind of digging
1431
01:05:02,610 --> 01:05:05,220
into the what the numbers
actually really tell us.
1432
01:05:05,220 --> 01:05:09,310
So for example, are these new users
1433
01:05:09,310 --> 01:05:13,000
like as in they've never used
any nicotine product before?
1434
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,900
Or are they people who've tried smoking,
1435
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:18,630
but now are using vapor products?
1436
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:22,790
And none of that was actually
provided to the public.
1437
01:05:22,790 --> 01:05:26,540
So we downloaded the data from the CDC,
1438
01:05:26,540 --> 01:05:29,060
the short story is that
I can tell you yes,
1439
01:05:29,060 --> 01:05:34,060
there's an increase in
nicotine naive youth
1440
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,700
who are using vapor products,
1441
01:05:37,700 --> 01:05:42,410
but the vast majority of
new users are among kids
1442
01:05:42,410 --> 01:05:44,180
who've already tried cigarettes.
1443
01:05:44,180 --> 01:05:46,230
- The only way that
it's gonna be a gateway
1444
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:51,230
is if they severely limit access to vaping
1445
01:05:51,630 --> 01:05:55,470
for people and then they
eventually go to cigarettes.
1446
01:05:55,470 --> 01:06:00,320
The vaping experience is
like a very fine steak like
1447
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,390
a filet or something.
1448
01:06:02,390 --> 01:06:06,670
Why would you go backwards
to the inferior way
1449
01:06:06,670 --> 01:06:07,600
of using it?
1450
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,130
Well, one way to get people
1451
01:06:09,130 --> 01:06:12,710
to not want nicotine is to call it poison.
1452
01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:15,100
- An attempt to hook a new generation
1453
01:06:16,140 --> 01:06:19,800
to the poisonous product of nicotine.
1454
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,110
Leno's bill is sponsored
1455
01:06:21,110 --> 01:06:24,900
by the American Cancer
Society's Cancer Action Network.
1456
01:06:24,900 --> 01:06:27,540
It is true that
nicotine is a poison.
1457
01:06:27,540 --> 01:06:30,250
Plants use it to defend against insects.
1458
01:06:30,250 --> 01:06:32,810
However, most things
are poisonous if taken
1459
01:06:32,810 --> 01:06:34,250
in the wrong quantity.
1460
01:06:34,250 --> 01:06:37,750
As the saying goes, "The
dose makes the poison".
1461
01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:40,210
Surprisingly, even
caffeine is fairly deadly
1462
01:06:40,210 --> 01:06:43,350
in small amounts if taken in a pure form.
1463
01:06:43,350 --> 01:06:46,320
But how come there are so
few deaths from nicotine?
1464
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,200
We went to Austria to find out.
1465
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:49,920
At the University of Graz,
1466
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,680
we met a medical scientist
named Bernd Mayer
1467
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,400
who had done the work for us.
1468
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:59,270
- Many decades smoking was
by far the most frequent
1469
01:06:59,270 --> 01:07:00,980
form of nicotine use.
1470
01:07:00,980 --> 01:07:02,980
And so nicotine was blamed in fact,
1471
01:07:02,980 --> 01:07:04,560
for the effects of smoking,
1472
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,130
what's not true, yeah,
1473
01:07:06,130 --> 01:07:08,800
but still then nicotine
is a toxic compound,
1474
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,070
it's easier to warn from smoking.
1475
01:07:12,070 --> 01:07:14,720
At some point, the question was raised
1476
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,650
about the toxicity of nicotine
1477
01:07:16,650 --> 01:07:19,870
and everybody was
referring to a lethal dose
1478
01:07:19,870 --> 01:07:23,440
that you find in textbooks,
some toxicity data sheets,
1479
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,370
it was circular references,
1480
01:07:25,370 --> 01:07:29,240
and nobody could tell me
why the hell do we know
1481
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,740
that 60 milligrams of
nicotine orally ingested
1482
01:07:32,740 --> 01:07:33,990
will kill an adult.
1483
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:36,230
So I started to research and I went back
1484
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:38,200
in history further and further,
1485
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:39,770
there were no references,
1486
01:07:39,770 --> 01:07:44,770
and then suddenly I discovered
one paper published in 1933.
1487
01:07:45,070 --> 01:07:48,420
And they mentioned this 60 milligram dose,
1488
01:07:48,420 --> 01:07:50,850
and in brackets they wrote, Corbett,
1489
01:07:50,850 --> 01:07:53,540
and he referred to a
report from somebody else
1490
01:07:53,540 --> 01:07:56,560
from a pharmacologist in Vienna.
1491
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:58,540
And he had assistants
1492
01:07:58,540 --> 01:08:00,930
who did self-experiments with nicotine,
1493
01:08:00,930 --> 01:08:04,920
and they self-ingested nicotine
and reported the symptoms,
1494
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,000
and this was done in about 1850.
1495
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,590
And there were a huge amount of symptoms
1496
01:08:10,590 --> 01:08:12,200
with a small amount of nicotine,
1497
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:13,660
and they got unconscious,
1498
01:08:13,660 --> 01:08:15,150
they get seizures, and whatever.
1499
01:08:15,150 --> 01:08:19,070
They simply miscalculated the
amount of nicotine they took.
1500
01:08:19,070 --> 01:08:20,640
And based on this report,
1501
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:24,510
Rudolph Corbett 50 years later
estimated the lethal dose,
1502
01:08:24,510 --> 01:08:27,030
so it was a very unsure estimate.
1503
01:08:27,030 --> 01:08:28,600
And this was cited in the journal,
1504
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:29,820
this was all in German, of course,
1505
01:08:29,820 --> 01:08:32,670
German literature until World War II,
1506
01:08:32,670 --> 01:08:34,740
and then everything changed.
1507
01:08:34,740 --> 01:08:38,220
The scientific language
changed from German to English,
1508
01:08:38,220 --> 01:08:39,950
and the source was lost.
1509
01:08:39,950 --> 01:08:43,050
Nobody cited anymore, but
they just copied this value.
1510
01:08:43,050 --> 01:08:44,720
It's a funny story isn't it?
1511
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,700
It's like a history crime story.
1512
01:08:48,700 --> 01:08:51,250
Obviously, 60
milligrams isn't deadly.
1513
01:08:51,250 --> 01:08:52,790
That's the amount of nicotine found
1514
01:08:52,790 --> 01:08:55,710
in roughly half a pack
in nicotine chewing gum
1515
01:08:55,710 --> 01:08:57,510
at the local grocery store.
1516
01:08:57,510 --> 01:09:01,040
However, we still wanted
to know how deadly is it.
1517
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,970
- I did some research on actual fatal
1518
01:09:03,970 --> 01:09:07,470
or non-fatal nicotine poisonings,
1519
01:09:07,470 --> 01:09:10,360
and I estimated the correct daily dose,
1520
01:09:11,630 --> 01:09:14,770
and my calculations ended
up with a value of one gram,
1521
01:09:14,770 --> 01:09:18,140
and to be on the safe
side I split them to half,
1522
01:09:18,140 --> 01:09:19,090
and I said it's 0.5
1523
01:09:20,020 --> 01:09:23,070
until one gram of
nicotine orally ingested
1524
01:09:23,070 --> 01:09:24,480
in the absence of vomiting.
1525
01:09:24,480 --> 01:09:27,970
There was a public meeting of
the FDA in the United States,
1526
01:09:27,970 --> 01:09:32,420
and Neal Benowitz who's
famous research in the field
1527
01:09:32,420 --> 01:09:34,340
was asked by somebody from the audience
1528
01:09:34,340 --> 01:09:38,270
whether my estimate is reasonable or not,
1529
01:09:38,270 --> 01:09:41,480
and Benowitz said, "Yes"
he thinks it's reasonable.
1530
01:09:41,480 --> 01:09:42,710
And from then on,
1531
01:09:42,710 --> 01:09:46,910
actually the experts have
accepted my estimate.
1532
01:09:46,910 --> 01:09:49,600
In reality, much higher
amounts have survived.
1533
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,800
I found one case where a
guy tried to make suicide
1534
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:56,640
with four grams of nicotine
and he still survived.
1535
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,470
Four grams of
nicotine is equivalent
1536
01:09:58,470 --> 01:10:02,200
to 1,000 pieces of common
nicotine chewing gum,
1537
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,980
not recommended to use
that much at one time,
1538
01:10:04,980 --> 01:10:07,170
but it's worth noting
that nicotine is unique
1539
01:10:07,170 --> 01:10:10,380
in that it signals to the
body when it's had enough.
1540
01:10:10,380 --> 01:10:12,620
This is why some people
feel sick to their stomach
1541
01:10:12,620 --> 01:10:14,940
when they use too much the first time.
1542
01:10:14,940 --> 01:10:16,930
It's also why people
usually aren't able to die
1543
01:10:16,930 --> 01:10:20,310
from nicotine poisoning
unless they inject it.
1544
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:22,300
They vomit first.
1545
01:10:22,300 --> 01:10:23,550
- The State of California
1546
01:10:23,550 --> 01:10:26,570
has a great public education
campaign going on right now
1547
01:10:26,570 --> 01:10:30,080
and the tag is "Nicotine
Equal Brain Poison".
1548
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,490
And one of the things I particularly liked
1549
01:10:32,490 --> 01:10:35,070
is the equal sign is two Juuls.
1550
01:10:35,070 --> 01:10:36,690
- Nicotine harms brain development
1551
01:10:36,690 --> 01:10:38,890
and result in long term consequences.
1552
01:10:38,890 --> 01:10:42,730
- Number two, changes the brain,
impairs cognitive function.
1553
01:10:42,730 --> 01:10:45,780
- There's a very strong meta analysis
1554
01:10:45,780 --> 01:10:48,790
which puts all the best studies together,
1555
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:52,770
and it shows unequivocally that
nicotine improves alertness,
1556
01:10:52,770 --> 01:10:55,340
concentration, mood, and memory.
1557
01:10:55,340 --> 01:10:57,970
It's a form of self-medication.
1558
01:10:57,970 --> 01:10:59,300
Some people may use it
1559
01:10:59,300 --> 01:11:01,360
because it makes their brains work better,
1560
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,960
and that is another
argument for why you need
1561
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,620
to find a less harmful form.
1562
01:11:06,620 --> 01:11:08,460
If we truly want
our loved ones and neighbors
1563
01:11:08,460 --> 01:11:11,410
to quit smoking and allow them
to switch to using nicotine
1564
01:11:11,410 --> 01:11:14,700
in much safer forms; like Snus, patches,
1565
01:11:14,700 --> 01:11:18,530
vapor technology, gums, or
other ways to take nicotine,
1566
01:11:18,530 --> 01:11:20,230
then we as a society need
1567
01:11:20,230 --> 01:11:22,740
to reject the slick
marketing campaigns relying
1568
01:11:22,740 --> 01:11:24,150
on doubt and fear,
1569
01:11:24,150 --> 01:11:27,940
and we need to demand clear
communication instead.
1570
01:11:27,940 --> 01:11:31,550
Clean forms of nicotine do
not cause people to smoke
1571
01:11:31,550 --> 01:11:33,710
unless smoking is the only option,
1572
01:11:33,710 --> 01:11:35,900
or safer options are taken away.
1573
01:11:35,900 --> 01:11:36,820
In countries where people
1574
01:11:36,820 --> 01:11:39,040
are using popular nicotine alternatives,
1575
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,950
the smoking rates have dropped
dramatically in recent years.
1576
01:11:41,950 --> 01:11:45,130
In Norway, they allowed
Swedish Snus to be imported
1577
01:11:45,130 --> 01:11:48,220
and now have less than 1%
of women smoking cigarettes.
1578
01:11:48,220 --> 01:11:51,130
Iceland has experienced
a similar revolution.
1579
01:11:51,130 --> 01:11:53,340
Australia bans most user friendly ways
1580
01:11:53,340 --> 01:11:55,950
to get nicotine besides cigarettes.
1581
01:11:55,950 --> 01:11:59,180
Their rationale, it's a poison.
1582
01:11:59,180 --> 01:12:00,470
In addition to pride,
1583
01:12:00,470 --> 01:12:03,120
money is also a powerful motivator.
1584
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:04,890
This is rarely discussed in public
1585
01:12:04,890 --> 01:12:07,210
or acknowledged by misguided experts.
1586
01:12:07,210 --> 01:12:09,140
So we went to an old friend who worked
1587
01:12:09,140 --> 01:12:11,060
on the inside for decades.
1588
01:12:11,060 --> 01:12:13,750
Former Winston man, David Goerlitz.
1589
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:15,900
- So when I quit smoking
it was a big deal for me
1590
01:12:15,900 --> 01:12:20,420
because having made a lot of
money from tobacco industry,
1591
01:12:20,420 --> 01:12:23,870
having been a smoker my
brother was dying of cancer,
1592
01:12:23,870 --> 01:12:27,690
and I had to make a decision
and I did in November of 1988.
1593
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:29,920
It was probably one of the
toughest things I ever did
1594
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,700
because I didn't know how to quit.
1595
01:12:31,700 --> 01:12:35,390
I really saw very quickly
within like 72 hours
1596
01:12:35,390 --> 01:12:39,700
that I was gonna be needed
by the anti-smoking industry.
1597
01:12:39,700 --> 01:12:41,110
American Cancer Society,
1598
01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:43,140
American Lung, American Heart,
1599
01:12:43,140 --> 01:12:45,770
Matt Meyers from the campaign
for Tobacco-Free Kids,
1600
01:12:45,770 --> 01:12:49,010
all these usual suspects
that we now hear of today,
1601
01:12:49,010 --> 01:12:53,560
they saw me as a resource
to now get a real hook
1602
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:55,920
against Big Tobacco and I was their guy,
1603
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,730
and I went on every talk show circuit.
1604
01:12:58,730 --> 01:13:00,110
I went with Stanton Glantz.
1605
01:13:00,110 --> 01:13:02,350
I was doing all these
tours all over the world.
1606
01:13:02,350 --> 01:13:03,910
I didn't make the connection
1607
01:13:03,910 --> 01:13:06,040
as to how sociologically this was going
1608
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,410
to impact not only Big Tobacco,
1609
01:13:08,410 --> 01:13:10,240
but also the people
who are now fighting it
1610
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:12,890
because there was so much money to be made
1611
01:13:12,890 --> 01:13:16,070
which wasn't anywhere near
as big as it is today.
1612
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:18,000
We're talking
billions of dollars here.
1613
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,160
The anti-smoking and
now anti-nicotine lobby,
1614
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:23,720
gets significant funding
from marketing campaigns
1615
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:26,600
and lobbying from
pharmaceutical companies donors,
1616
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,870
like Michael Bloomberg
and taxes on cigarettes.
1617
01:13:29,870 --> 01:13:31,830
This money is paid to media outlets
1618
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:34,420
which are often slow to
report on emerging research
1619
01:13:34,420 --> 01:13:36,180
that hurts their clients.
1620
01:13:36,180 --> 01:13:38,270
It took decades for the
news media to report
1621
01:13:38,270 --> 01:13:40,680
on the full dangers of smoking cigarettes.
1622
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,010
A big percentage of
their funding was coming
1623
01:13:43,010 --> 01:13:45,380
from cigarette companies.
1624
01:13:45,380 --> 01:13:47,810
Also, lobbying funds are often spent
1625
01:13:47,810 --> 01:13:49,940
to buy the time of former politicians
1626
01:13:49,940 --> 01:13:52,620
who have deep ties to current lawmakers.
1627
01:13:52,620 --> 01:13:54,860
Money buys enormous power.
1628
01:13:54,860 --> 01:13:57,600
- Cancer, lung, and heart
was paying me $1,000 a day,
1629
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,470
$1,000 a day to go to three programs
1630
01:13:59,470 --> 01:14:00,980
at a school out in California,
1631
01:14:00,980 --> 01:14:02,470
'cause that's where most
of the money was coming in.
1632
01:14:02,470 --> 01:14:03,620
Then they use me in Wisconsin,
1633
01:14:03,620 --> 01:14:04,640
they use me in Texas,
1634
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:05,470
they use me in Maine,
1635
01:14:05,470 --> 01:14:08,340
and they use in North
Dakota, and then Florida.
1636
01:14:08,340 --> 01:14:10,420
So I was traveling 265 days a year
1637
01:14:10,420 --> 01:14:12,900
with the people who were
making millions and billions
1638
01:14:12,900 --> 01:14:13,730
of dollars,
1639
01:14:13,730 --> 01:14:14,760
the American Cancer Society
1640
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:16,220
is worth over a billion dollars,
1641
01:14:16,220 --> 01:14:18,090
the American Legacy Foundation
1642
01:14:18,090 --> 01:14:19,450
which is now the Truth Initiative,
1643
01:14:19,450 --> 01:14:21,230
they're all billion dollar industries,
1644
01:14:21,230 --> 01:14:22,630
and they're all non-profits.
1645
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:24,240
How can you have a billion dollar
1646
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,660
501c3 non-profit organization?
1647
01:14:26,660 --> 01:14:27,890
It doesn't make sense,
1648
01:14:27,890 --> 01:14:28,880
I can't grasp it.
1649
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,000
Most of the public thinks
1650
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:34,400
that these anti-nicotine
charities are 501c3 organizations
1651
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,900
which are not allowed to lobby for laws.
1652
01:14:36,900 --> 01:14:38,910
We were troubled to find
out that some of them
1653
01:14:38,910 --> 01:14:42,030
are actually 501c4 organizations.
1654
01:14:42,030 --> 01:14:44,580
These are the type of organizations
most political analysts
1655
01:14:44,580 --> 01:14:46,800
refer to as dark money groups.
1656
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,550
These groups are not required
to disclose their donors
1657
01:14:49,550 --> 01:14:51,880
and can take unlimited
money from corporations
1658
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:53,380
for lobbying purposes.
1659
01:14:53,380 --> 01:14:56,200
Two of these, the
Tobacco-Free Kids Action Fund,
1660
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:59,400
and the American Cancer
Society Cancer Action Network,
1661
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,100
received more than Then
$50 million in 2018
1662
01:15:02,100 --> 01:15:05,470
that they could use for
lobbying our elected officials
1663
01:15:05,470 --> 01:15:07,670
and elected officials around the world.
1664
01:15:07,670 --> 01:15:10,830
- I knew that I made
a major mistake again.
1665
01:15:10,830 --> 01:15:13,100
I worked for Big Tobacco
that was a mistake,
1666
01:15:13,100 --> 01:15:14,170
but I learned from it,
1667
01:15:14,170 --> 01:15:16,730
I became an anti-tobacco activist,
1668
01:15:16,730 --> 01:15:17,880
I learned from my mistakes,
1669
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:19,870
'cause they are as corrupted and as greedy
1670
01:15:19,870 --> 01:15:21,700
as all of the people at Big Tobacco
1671
01:15:21,700 --> 01:15:23,050
and the big pharmaceuticals.
1672
01:15:23,050 --> 01:15:25,810
They wanted me to say things
that I didn't really believe.
1673
01:15:25,810 --> 01:15:28,200
- In the FOIA document
they were asking Missoula
1674
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:30,370
how they got their ordinance done,
1675
01:15:30,370 --> 01:15:32,320
and we had to work really
hard to dispel the myth
1676
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,930
that vaping is safer than tobacco.
1677
01:15:34,930 --> 01:15:37,840
And she goes on to say, "I
mean, well, what isn't safer
1678
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:39,840
than smoking tobacco?"
1679
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,700
And she said, "But we made it
through with various science
1680
01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:43,610
and arguments, including application
1681
01:15:43,610 --> 01:15:46,180
of the precautionary principle."
1682
01:15:46,180 --> 01:15:48,920
So we need to pass this
just in case it turns out
1683
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:50,420
to be harmful we should do it.
1684
01:15:51,480 --> 01:15:53,410
She said, "I can help out
on the front if you need it,
1685
01:15:53,410 --> 01:15:57,250
and MTCA, and MTUUP helped.
1686
01:15:57,250 --> 01:16:01,280
MTCA up front and the
MTUPP behind the scenes."
1687
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,070
So who funds the
behind the scenes activities
1688
01:16:04,070 --> 01:16:06,960
of the Montana Tobacco
Use Prevention Program?
1689
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,220
One of these dark money organizations,
1690
01:16:09,220 --> 01:16:12,660
the American Cancer Society
Cancer Action Network.
1691
01:16:12,660 --> 01:16:14,810
- They state we need to run this
1692
01:16:14,810 --> 01:16:17,410
through to American Cancer
Society Cancer Action Network
1693
01:16:17,410 --> 01:16:19,120
before we do anything.
1694
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,100
How powerful
are these organizations
1695
01:16:21,100 --> 01:16:22,460
that are lobbying against the use
1696
01:16:22,460 --> 01:16:24,700
of safer nicotine products?
1697
01:16:24,700 --> 01:16:26,540
We talked to an elected
member of parliament
1698
01:16:26,540 --> 01:16:29,180
and perhaps one of the most
anti-nicotine countries
1699
01:16:29,180 --> 01:16:31,200
on the planet, Australia.
1700
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:35,700
- If scientists could speak in
a slightly plainer language,
1701
01:16:35,700 --> 01:16:36,990
that would be helpful,
1702
01:16:38,420 --> 01:16:41,210
and that would certainly
be helpful for politicians.
1703
01:16:41,210 --> 01:16:44,180
Having said that you can put
an enormous amount of evidence
1704
01:16:44,180 --> 01:16:46,010
in front of a politician.
1705
01:16:46,010 --> 01:16:50,450
But if they think that the cancer accounts
1706
01:16:50,450 --> 01:16:51,980
who's going to be cross with them
1707
01:16:51,980 --> 01:16:54,370
then they won't contradict them.
1708
01:16:54,370 --> 01:16:56,500
- So anytime they will write policies,
1709
01:16:56,500 --> 01:17:00,040
and they would say in there
send it over to Kristin
1710
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,880
at the Cancer Action Network
so she can approve it.
1711
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:06,030
They started with really
small, easy counties
1712
01:17:06,030 --> 01:17:08,690
where there wasn't gonna
be any kind of defense,
1713
01:17:08,690 --> 01:17:10,550
so that they can go back and say,
1714
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:12,950
"Look, how many counties are doing this,
1715
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:15,000
you need to pass it on a state level."
1716
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:16,980
- And I'm not saying they
were evil from beginning.
1717
01:17:16,980 --> 01:17:19,610
I'm saying their intentions were good,
1718
01:17:19,610 --> 01:17:20,650
like mine were,
1719
01:17:20,650 --> 01:17:22,470
but sometimes greed outweighs fear,
1720
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:24,010
so therefore, you take shortcuts,
1721
01:17:24,010 --> 01:17:25,780
and you start doing things
that you shouldn't do,
1722
01:17:25,780 --> 01:17:27,320
and I'm saying that's what they did.
1723
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:28,370
Now, we know what we know,
1724
01:17:28,370 --> 01:17:29,230
and we have the facts,
1725
01:17:29,230 --> 01:17:31,220
we have the data, but we have liars.
1726
01:17:31,220 --> 01:17:33,300
Matt Meyers and these people
1727
01:17:33,300 --> 01:17:35,840
that I'm talking about from 30 years ago,
1728
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:37,510
they were not evil people,
1729
01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:39,770
they were trying to find a
way to do some good things.
1730
01:17:39,770 --> 01:17:41,730
Where are
some of the other rebels
1731
01:17:41,730 --> 01:17:42,950
with you back in the day?
1732
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:44,200
- Oh well, they're still around.
1733
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,290
I mean, the people who got me involved
1734
01:17:46,290 --> 01:17:48,890
in the clean indoor air movement
were a couple of lawyers.
1735
01:17:48,890 --> 01:17:50,650
- They were lawyers trying to fight,
1736
01:17:50,650 --> 01:17:52,650
they saw something here,
1737
01:17:52,650 --> 01:17:55,210
but they didn't see it to
the extent that it became.
1738
01:17:55,210 --> 01:17:58,420
- I was so naive when I
first started my shop,
1739
01:17:58,420 --> 01:18:02,220
and our first bill came up
and we went up to Helena,
1740
01:18:02,220 --> 01:18:03,240
and I was so excited
1741
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,990
that the cancer people were
gonna be there heart, and lung,
1742
01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:07,940
and I was gonna tell them my story
1743
01:18:07,940 --> 01:18:10,670
how I was a three pack a day smoker,
1744
01:18:10,670 --> 01:18:12,200
and I was sick all the time.
1745
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:15,030
And I tried everything over
years and years to try to quit,
1746
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:17,150
and this one I quit within days,
1747
01:18:17,150 --> 01:18:18,750
and I never touched another cigarette,
1748
01:18:18,750 --> 01:18:20,540
and I couldn't wait to tell her my story.
1749
01:18:20,540 --> 01:18:21,740
And I told her all that,
1750
01:18:21,740 --> 01:18:22,570
and I said you know,
1751
01:18:22,570 --> 01:18:24,210
and I this is why I opened my shop,
1752
01:18:24,210 --> 01:18:25,100
so that I can help others
1753
01:18:25,100 --> 01:18:26,750
in the community quit smoking too.
1754
01:18:26,750 --> 01:18:29,580
And my dream someday
is that I get everybody
1755
01:18:29,580 --> 01:18:31,120
in the state of Montana to quit smoking,
1756
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:32,270
and then I close my doors,
1757
01:18:32,270 --> 01:18:33,800
because everybody's done.
1758
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:35,040
And she looked at me and she just said,
1759
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:36,410
"Why don't you just close your doors now
1760
01:18:36,410 --> 01:18:37,910
and save everybody some time?"
1761
01:18:39,300 --> 01:18:40,950
Okay, I guess you're not with me.
1762
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:44,710
Have you ever
come across a reason
1763
01:18:44,710 --> 01:18:47,690
why the Cancer Action Network cares
1764
01:18:47,690 --> 01:18:48,870
about whether people are using nicotine
1765
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:51,040
in essence that doesn't cause cancer.
1766
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:52,950
Have you ever heard
any reasoning for that?
1767
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:54,050
You know, I ,
1768
01:18:55,070 --> 01:18:57,810
no, I mean, the only
thing that I would say
1769
01:18:57,810 --> 01:18:59,810
is because they're gonna
lose a lot of money.
1770
01:18:59,810 --> 01:19:02,600
If everybody switched over
to vaping and quit smoking,
1771
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:04,010
there wouldn't be a lot of sickness,
1772
01:19:04,010 --> 01:19:07,730
there wouldn't be a reason
to have a Cancer Action,
1773
01:19:07,730 --> 01:19:11,780
or American Cancer Society
at least not as big as it is.
1774
01:19:11,780 --> 01:19:14,980
There was a certain lobbyist
with the Cancer Action Network
1775
01:19:14,980 --> 01:19:17,300
that was always there.
1776
01:19:17,300 --> 01:19:19,600
From the beginning in 2015,
1777
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:23,570
every single hearing that we
ever went to this lobbyist
1778
01:19:23,570 --> 01:19:26,000
from the Cancer Action Network was there.
1779
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,130
When we filed our Freedom
of Information documents
1780
01:19:28,130 --> 01:19:30,450
with Gallatin County we
specifically named her,
1781
01:19:30,450 --> 01:19:33,830
because we knew she was
the key of everything
1782
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:35,280
that was happening with us.
1783
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:38,500
She's the one who they
had to send everything
1784
01:19:38,500 --> 01:19:40,380
to have approval through her.
1785
01:19:40,380 --> 01:19:42,190
And when I did that,
1786
01:19:42,190 --> 01:19:44,970
and specifically asked
for any communications
1787
01:19:44,970 --> 01:19:46,680
with her name on it,
1788
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:49,870
she disappeared.
1789
01:19:49,870 --> 01:19:53,940
I have to wonder why would you hide.
1790
01:19:53,940 --> 01:19:56,020
And we started hearing
troubling things like this
1791
01:19:56,020 --> 01:19:58,070
about health groups that
are highly respected
1792
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:59,550
by the general public.
1793
01:19:59,550 --> 01:20:02,440
We reached out to hear
their side of the story.
1794
01:20:02,440 --> 01:20:06,660
However, one after another they
declined to be interviewed.
1795
01:20:06,660 --> 01:20:09,140
They were indeed hiding.
1796
01:20:09,140 --> 01:20:10,740
This made us even more skeptical,
1797
01:20:10,740 --> 01:20:13,650
so we started digging into
their financial reports.
1798
01:20:13,650 --> 01:20:16,340
Most of the groups pushing
non-scientific information
1799
01:20:16,340 --> 01:20:18,850
to the general public and elected leaders,
1800
01:20:18,850 --> 01:20:22,500
are taking enormous amounts
of funding from one source,
1801
01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:25,180
the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids,
1802
01:20:25,180 --> 01:20:27,930
and their Tobacco-Free Kids Action Fund
1803
01:20:27,930 --> 01:20:31,020
which is a dark money
political organization,
1804
01:20:31,020 --> 01:20:34,660
both are led by Matt Meyers, an attorney.
1805
01:20:34,660 --> 01:20:37,960
We don't know who funds the
Tobacco-Free Kids Action Fund,
1806
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,860
because it's designed
to operate in the dark.
1807
01:20:40,860 --> 01:20:43,230
But we kept digging
because groups as powerful
1808
01:20:43,230 --> 01:20:45,020
as Tobacco-Free Kids,
1809
01:20:45,020 --> 01:20:46,510
don't just operate on their own
1810
01:20:46,510 --> 01:20:48,400
without a lot of help.
1811
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,090
Then, we found it.
1812
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:52,210
Michael Bloomberg,
1813
01:20:52,210 --> 01:20:55,170
one of the richest men in
the world was funding them.
1814
01:20:55,170 --> 01:20:57,310
He has donated over a billion dollars
1815
01:20:57,310 --> 01:20:59,110
to anti-nicotine efforts.
1816
01:20:59,110 --> 01:21:01,210
It turns out that he also funds activities
1817
01:21:01,210 --> 01:21:04,170
at the World Health Organization
which bans the media
1818
01:21:04,170 --> 01:21:06,070
from their meetings about nicotine,
1819
01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:09,430
and applauds nations that
prohibit safer nicotine products
1820
01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:12,450
while keeping deadly
cigarettes on the shelves.
1821
01:21:12,450 --> 01:21:15,360
Bloomberg also funds the CDC Foundation.
1822
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,910
When people started getting
sick and dying in 2019,
1823
01:21:18,910 --> 01:21:21,560
the CDC blamed nicotine vapor products
1824
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:24,770
instead of identifying
illegal tainted THC products
1825
01:21:24,770 --> 01:21:26,680
as the real culprit.
1826
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,380
The mainstream media which
runs Bloomberg funded ads
1827
01:21:29,380 --> 01:21:30,800
against nicotine,
1828
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:32,980
parroted the CDC's warning.
1829
01:21:32,980 --> 01:21:36,710
Elected officials lobbied by
Bloomberg funded organizations,
1830
01:21:36,710 --> 01:21:41,000
use this confusion to push
bans on safer nicotine products
1831
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,680
while leaving cigarettes on the market.
1832
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:46,630
People started to smoke cigarettes again.
1833
01:21:46,630 --> 01:21:48,330
Why is Michael Bloomberg funding
1834
01:21:48,330 --> 01:21:51,400
all these anti-nicotine organizations?
1835
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:53,440
We tried to get interviews,
1836
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:55,340
but they refused.
1837
01:21:55,340 --> 01:21:57,830
Just as editing of this
film was wrapping up,
1838
01:21:57,830 --> 01:22:00,150
we made a chilling discovery.
1839
01:22:00,150 --> 01:22:02,220
A company tied to Michael Bloomberg,
1840
01:22:02,220 --> 01:22:06,190
invested in a new nicotine
vapor device called Hale.
1841
01:22:06,190 --> 01:22:09,910
As of 2020, they're working
toward FDA approval.
1842
01:22:09,910 --> 01:22:14,370
It looks like a flash drive,
sleek, modern, uses flavors.
1843
01:22:14,370 --> 01:22:15,760
It contains nicotine.
1844
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:18,950
This sounds very familiar.
1845
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:20,450
The harsh legislation pushed
1846
01:22:20,450 --> 01:22:22,130
by the Bloomberg funded lobbyists
1847
01:22:22,130 --> 01:22:23,810
and their fear campaigns,
1848
01:22:23,810 --> 01:22:25,560
will put all the small shops out
1849
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:26,930
of business that helped more
1850
01:22:26,930 --> 01:22:30,060
than 50 million people
stop smoking worldwide.
1851
01:22:30,060 --> 01:22:31,960
It has created a regulatory environment
1852
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:34,950
where only the wealthiest
people will be able to play.
1853
01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:37,740
The wealthy people can
own nicotine businesses,
1854
01:22:37,740 --> 01:22:41,650
and fund dark money organizations
that change public opinion
1855
01:22:41,650 --> 01:22:43,790
to match their own worldview.
1856
01:22:43,790 --> 01:22:46,220
That's why we think they're hiding.
1857
01:22:46,220 --> 01:22:48,840
Hopefully, someone with more
power can dig even deeper
1858
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:50,550
to get the full answer.
1859
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:51,930
- I just think that we're at a point now
1860
01:22:51,930 --> 01:22:54,200
where these people need to
be called out on the carpet,
1861
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:56,620
and asked to explain why they have some
1862
01:22:56,620 --> 01:22:58,180
of their philosophies that they do have
1863
01:22:58,180 --> 01:22:59,890
on something that everybody else
1864
01:22:59,890 --> 01:23:02,740
and a lot of the world
thinks is beneficial.
1865
01:23:02,740 --> 01:23:04,000
- As we looked around at interviews
1866
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:07,080
with experts in Asia, Africa, and Europe,
1867
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:09,620
it was clear that their
voices were being drowned out
1868
01:23:09,620 --> 01:23:12,600
by the voices of a few
American billionaires.
1869
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,500
Sadly, this battle is affecting
small countries everywhere
1870
01:23:15,500 --> 01:23:18,960
who are struggling to make
evidence-based policies.
1871
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,460
In one last step to the
other side of the world,
1872
01:23:21,460 --> 01:23:23,420
we decided to visit Armenia
1873
01:23:23,420 --> 01:23:25,430
after our friends in Los Angeles told us
1874
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:27,360
about the situation there.
1875
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:29,740
Armenia recently went
through a peaceful revolution
1876
01:23:29,740 --> 01:23:32,580
against the ruling class who
had corrupted their country.
1877
01:23:32,580 --> 01:23:35,350
They called it the "Velvet Revolution".
1878
01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:37,870
They replaced all government
leaders with people
1879
01:23:37,870 --> 01:23:40,120
who'd make the best
decisions for the citizens
1880
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:41,750
who wanted change.
1881
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:44,130
We got a chance to speak with
their new health minister
1882
01:23:44,130 --> 01:23:46,420
who was quite open
about the options he had
1883
01:23:46,420 --> 01:23:49,990
for funding his push to reduce
smoking deaths in Armenia.
1884
01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:52,380
Where do you get most of your
support and information from?
1885
01:23:52,380 --> 01:23:57,380
- We get a lot from WHO
in terms of directly
1886
01:23:57,960 --> 01:23:59,320
for tobacco control,
1887
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,080
we get starting from technical support,
1888
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:03,770
how to write these legislations,
1889
01:24:03,770 --> 01:24:04,860
how to implement it.
1890
01:24:04,860 --> 01:24:08,760
We also get support from
lots of other organizations.
1891
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:12,970
We recently signed a grant
with Bloomberg Foundation,
1892
01:24:12,970 --> 01:24:16,400
one of their institutions
National Institute of Health,
1893
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:20,360
and other Tobacco-Free Kids from America.
1894
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:23,500
But now I think that regardless of WHO
1895
01:24:23,500 --> 01:24:25,860
or other foundations we
have to spend our money
1896
01:24:25,860 --> 01:24:28,080
to make our people healthier.
1897
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,270
With over 60% of men smoking,
1898
01:24:30,270 --> 01:24:32,710
and smoking among women on the rise,
1899
01:24:32,710 --> 01:24:34,800
this is an important
crossroads for the health
1900
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:36,840
of the Armenian people.
1901
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,210
These Bloomberg funded groups like WHO,
1902
01:24:39,210 --> 01:24:41,760
and Tobacco-Free Kids are
going country to country
1903
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,780
to fight safer nicotine
options under the guise
1904
01:24:44,780 --> 01:24:46,320
of ending smoking,
1905
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:49,430
just as the American Cancer
Society Cancer Action Network
1906
01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:52,760
is doing to counties and
small states in the US.
1907
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:56,060
As we met more and more of the
wonderful people in Armenia,
1908
01:24:56,060 --> 01:24:58,780
we also met more and more of
the people who'd be affected
1909
01:24:58,780 --> 01:25:01,100
by anti-science propaganda,
1910
01:25:01,100 --> 01:25:04,080
imported from the other side of the world.
1911
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:05,400
It was sobering.
1912
01:25:07,860 --> 01:25:09,770
As we began the long journey home,
1913
01:25:09,770 --> 01:25:11,940
we discussed this whole situation,
1914
01:25:11,940 --> 01:25:13,660
the voices of thousands of people
1915
01:25:13,660 --> 01:25:16,850
from all walks of life
were difficult to ignore.
1916
01:25:16,850 --> 01:25:19,680
♪ What the hell am I supposed to do ♪
1917
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:21,730
How will these same powerful people try
1918
01:25:21,730 --> 01:25:23,720
to mute or twist our message?
1919
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:27,090
♪ No matter what I choose, I loose ♪
1920
01:25:27,090 --> 01:25:29,260
How many leaders will
make the wrong decision
1921
01:25:29,260 --> 01:25:31,840
because of false information?
1922
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:35,930
♪ I've got my neck in on this ♪
1923
01:25:35,930 --> 01:25:39,380
♪ What the hell am I supposed to do ♪
1924
01:25:39,380 --> 01:25:42,690
Will the voices we met
along the way even be heard?
1925
01:25:42,690 --> 01:25:43,860
It was overwhelming.
1926
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:48,190
How many people will lose their jobs?
1927
01:25:48,190 --> 01:25:50,420
Or their lives because of this corruption?
1928
01:25:50,420 --> 01:25:55,420
♪ How am I supposed to heal ♪
1929
01:25:56,690 --> 01:26:01,690
♪ I take your pills so I can't feel ♪
1930
01:26:04,850 --> 01:26:09,030
♪ I know it's wrong but it's right ♪
1931
01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:12,030
♪ How am I supposed to heal ♪
1932
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:30,310
The health societies around
the world were struggling
1933
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:32,960
to navigate these
complicated nicotine issues.
1934
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:36,400
It is clear that we need a plan.
1935
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:40,730
♪ Who the hell am I supposed to be ♪
1936
01:26:40,730 --> 01:26:41,960
- What can be done now?
1937
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:44,120
Like, you know,
1938
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:46,410
- Yeah.
- we need an action plan now,
1939
01:26:46,410 --> 01:26:47,850
we need a call to action now.
1940
01:26:47,850 --> 01:26:51,910
- Educate teens and
see what they're doing.
1941
01:26:51,910 --> 01:26:54,150
- Most of the kids who are using nicotine
1942
01:26:54,150 --> 01:26:57,880
are using it less than
they're using e-cigarettes,
1943
01:26:57,880 --> 01:26:59,360
less than 10 days a month.
1944
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:02,860
And the people using it
more than 20 days a month
1945
01:27:02,860 --> 01:27:04,810
are a relatively small percentage
1946
01:27:04,810 --> 01:27:08,770
which I think is reassuring
to me as a health care person
1947
01:27:08,770 --> 01:27:11,110
'cause I think most kids are not using it
1948
01:27:11,110 --> 01:27:12,800
in an addictive pattern.
1949
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,630
we need to focus on
the highest priorities first.
1950
01:27:15,630 --> 01:27:18,050
We need to stop the unnecessary deaths.
1951
01:27:18,050 --> 01:27:20,330
Cigarette smoking has killed so many.
1952
01:27:20,330 --> 01:27:24,260
Clean forms of nicotine can
prevent those deaths now.
1953
01:27:24,260 --> 01:27:26,970
We need to be brave enough
to have honest conversations
1954
01:27:26,970 --> 01:27:28,740
that value saving lives,
1955
01:27:28,740 --> 01:27:31,770
and help teens make wise
decisions for their health.
1956
01:27:31,770 --> 01:27:34,940
- Together, we can discourage use,
1957
01:27:34,940 --> 01:27:39,940
but we need to find the balance
between that and prohibition
1958
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:42,120
that deprives any smoker
1959
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:45,380
or teen and who would
become a smoker anyway
1960
01:27:45,380 --> 01:27:48,960
from a much less harmful
form of nicotine use.
1961
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:52,950
- I think consumers telling
their stories is so important,
1962
01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:54,330
and it's so important.
1963
01:27:54,330 --> 01:27:56,030
Politics is personal,
1964
01:27:56,030 --> 01:27:59,030
and we have to hear from the people.
1965
01:27:59,030 --> 01:28:01,270
The people who are saying:
"This is saving my life",
1966
01:28:01,270 --> 01:28:04,930
hearing those stories
out are very important.
1967
01:28:04,930 --> 01:28:07,770
- I spent every day
for four years thinking
1968
01:28:07,770 --> 01:28:09,090
about smoking cigarettes
1969
01:28:09,090 --> 01:28:11,880
and thinking about getting
that nicotine again,
1970
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:15,270
and now I don't have to do that,
1971
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:17,490
and I don't have to die.
1972
01:28:17,490 --> 01:28:21,400
- 7 million people per
year are dying globally
1973
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:23,930
of a completely preventable behavior.
1974
01:28:23,930 --> 01:28:25,490
That's what the
conversation should be,
1975
01:28:25,490 --> 01:28:29,770
is about smoking not tobacco or nicotine.
1976
01:28:29,770 --> 01:28:32,370
These conversations
are already happening.
1977
01:28:32,370 --> 01:28:34,260
We just need to listen with our hearts
1978
01:28:34,260 --> 01:28:36,000
and look at the science.
1979
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:37,300
On top of that,
1980
01:28:37,300 --> 01:28:39,540
almost all the voices both professional
1981
01:28:39,540 --> 01:28:42,030
and public in this debate are white men
1982
01:28:42,030 --> 01:28:43,680
in western countries.
1983
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:45,520
We need to lift up other voices,
1984
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:47,450
including those affected most,
1985
01:28:47,450 --> 01:28:49,650
Indigenous tribes, and stress groups
1986
01:28:49,650 --> 01:28:51,320
like the black community in the US
1987
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:54,760
who die from cigarette
related illnesses 20% more
1988
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:56,600
than their white neighbors.
1989
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:58,780
We met Chris while
learning about the impact
1990
01:28:58,780 --> 01:29:02,130
of San Francisco's ban on
nicotine vapor products.
1991
01:29:02,130 --> 01:29:03,720
- Regardless if you wanna vape,
1992
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,890
if you wanna chew gum, whatever.
1993
01:29:06,890 --> 01:29:09,340
The important thing is
to try to get people
1994
01:29:09,340 --> 01:29:10,880
to quit smoking cigarettes,
1995
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:14,780
we have to get more
people of color involved
1996
01:29:14,780 --> 01:29:17,970
in the whole vaping aspect,
1997
01:29:17,970 --> 01:29:22,970
get people more involved
in patches and gums,
1998
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:27,630
because once you quit smoking,
1999
01:29:27,630 --> 01:29:29,840
it's like you get your life back.
2000
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:31,100
Instead of seeking doubt
2001
01:29:31,100 --> 01:29:32,460
on behalf of their funders,
2002
01:29:32,460 --> 01:29:34,810
scientists need to seek the truth.
2003
01:29:34,810 --> 01:29:37,900
- We need to tell the truth to people.
2004
01:29:38,930 --> 01:29:42,060
We need to tell the
truth to smokers first,
2005
01:29:42,060 --> 01:29:45,870
but also to everybody.
2006
01:29:45,870 --> 01:29:48,340
Nicotine is not that.
2007
01:29:48,340 --> 01:29:52,420
- If we don't, then we might
as well pack up our bags
2008
01:29:52,420 --> 01:29:54,370
and go home, and rip up our PhDs
2009
01:29:55,330 --> 01:29:58,590
because we're not doing what
we're supposed to be doing,
2010
01:29:58,590 --> 01:30:00,100
and what we're paid to do.
2011
01:30:00,100 --> 01:30:02,640
We have hope that
the nicotine delivery methods
2012
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:03,960
will keep improving,
2013
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:07,200
that the science of how nicotine
works would keep expanding,
2014
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:08,730
and that this will help people
2015
01:30:08,730 --> 01:30:10,470
where it matters most.
2016
01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:11,510
- More research is needed,
2017
01:30:11,510 --> 01:30:14,410
but we're actually getting
to good places with research.
2018
01:30:14,410 --> 01:30:16,400
- This large national study
2019
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,850
that we're doing will be
the largest study ever done
2020
01:30:18,850 --> 01:30:22,410
in non-smokers. Of nicotine's
effects on brain function.
2021
01:30:22,410 --> 01:30:26,210
In my initial grant application to the NIH
2022
01:30:26,210 --> 01:30:27,350
for this big study, I said,
2023
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:30,800
"Look, if this works, we're
gonna have an immediately
2024
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:34,730
available, inexpensive,
repurposed treatment
2025
01:30:34,730 --> 01:30:38,610
that has no IP, that isn't gonna
cost a million bucks a year
2026
01:30:38,610 --> 01:30:40,280
for somebody to take,
2027
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:42,630
and that could help them right now."
2028
01:30:42,630 --> 01:30:46,360
That's a pretty strong
argument for nicotine.
2029
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:47,630
So who gets hurt
2030
01:30:47,630 --> 01:30:50,080
in this game of big money politics?
2031
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:51,760
The grandmothers and grandfathers
2032
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:54,470
who are seeing their
cherished memories fade,
2033
01:30:54,470 --> 01:30:56,260
the underfunded countries and states
2034
01:30:56,260 --> 01:30:59,820
who are struggling to make
helpful policy decisions,
2035
01:30:59,820 --> 01:31:03,540
those who are struggling
with mental illness and you.
2036
01:31:04,430 --> 01:31:05,440
The big issue is that
2037
01:31:05,440 --> 01:31:08,510
with non-stop agenda driven PR campaigns,
2038
01:31:08,510 --> 01:31:11,630
the world has become a very noisy place.
2039
01:31:11,630 --> 01:31:14,220
Leading journalists
need to report the truth
2040
01:31:14,220 --> 01:31:16,000
and connect people to the information
2041
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,260
that will change their lives forever.
2042
01:31:18,260 --> 01:31:20,770
- It's hard to be optimistic right now,
2043
01:31:22,140 --> 01:31:25,940
but I think in the end
the science will prevail.
2044
01:31:25,940 --> 01:31:27,340
I mean, you can't,
2045
01:31:27,340 --> 01:31:29,350
you just can't argue with science,
2046
01:31:29,350 --> 01:31:32,600
and when you have so much of it showing
2047
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:34,440
so many benefits to this.
2048
01:31:34,440 --> 01:31:38,620
I think in the end
science has to win, right?
2049
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:42,920
- Will the truth get out?
2050
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:44,480
It's not guaranteed.
2051
01:31:44,480 --> 01:31:46,430
Pride, misinformation,
2052
01:31:46,430 --> 01:31:50,520
and big money stand in
the way so it's up to you.
2053
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:53,970
Demand real science and
clear communication.
2054
01:31:53,970 --> 01:31:57,560
Reject doubt and shame
because every human being
2055
01:31:57,560 --> 01:31:59,860
has the right to truth.
2056
01:31:59,860 --> 01:32:02,080
You deserve to know nicotine.
2057
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:04,310
♪ Breathe me in ♪
2058
01:32:04,310 --> 01:32:06,850
♪ Speed it up just to slow it down ♪
2059
01:32:06,850 --> 01:32:08,830
♪ It's too much to take ♪
2060
01:32:08,830 --> 01:32:11,250
♪ Too much to take ♪
2061
01:32:11,250 --> 01:32:14,560
♪ Give me a minute ♪
2062
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,070
♪ You know the truth
but we'll let it out ♪
2063
01:32:17,070 --> 01:32:21,790
♪ It's hard to escape ♪
2064
01:32:21,790 --> 01:32:26,790
♪ And I don't know how to figure it out ♪
2065
01:32:27,140 --> 01:32:29,660
♪ Can you show me how ♪
2066
01:32:29,660 --> 01:32:33,040
♪ Can you show me now ♪
2067
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:35,500
♪ Maybe we don't know better ♪
2068
01:32:35,500 --> 01:32:37,600
♪ Memories we can forget ♪
2069
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:38,770
♪ But through it all ♪
2070
01:32:38,770 --> 01:32:41,500
♪ The questions leave me
unsettled, unsettled ♪
2071
01:32:41,500 --> 01:32:43,220
♪ Unsettled, unsettled ♪
2072
01:32:43,220 --> 01:32:45,660
♪ We're under too much pressure ♪
2073
01:32:45,660 --> 01:32:47,880
♪ Trying hard to redirect ♪
2074
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:50,680
♪ But through it all
the questions leave me ♪
2075
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:55,680
♪ Unsettled, unsettled ♪
2076
01:32:55,890 --> 01:33:00,890
♪ Unsettled, unsettled ♪
2077
01:33:01,010 --> 01:33:03,300
♪ Unsettled, unsettled ♪
2078
01:33:03,300 --> 01:33:05,820
♪ Reel me in, reel me in ♪
2079
01:33:05,820 --> 01:33:08,480
♪ Bring it up just to tear it down ♪
2080
01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:12,130
♪ Throw me the bait ♪
2081
01:33:12,130 --> 01:33:15,840
♪ Jump off the deep end ♪
2082
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:18,760
♪ Holding on there but I'm slipping out ♪
2083
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:23,020
♪ Don't make me wait ♪
2084
01:33:23,020 --> 01:33:28,020
♪ And I don't know how to figure it out ♪
2085
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:30,940
♪ Can you show me how ♪
2086
01:33:30,940 --> 01:33:34,270
♪ Can you show me now ♪
2087
01:33:34,270 --> 01:33:36,650
♪ Maybe we don't know better ♪
2088
01:33:36,650 --> 01:33:38,960
♪ Memories we can forget ♪
2089
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:41,500
♪ But through it all
the questions leave me ♪
2090
01:33:41,500 --> 01:33:44,250
♪ Unsettled, unsettled ♪
2091
01:33:44,250 --> 01:33:46,740
♪ We're under too much pressure ♪
2092
01:33:46,740 --> 01:33:49,120
♪ Try had to redirect ♪
2093
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:51,800
♪ But through it all
the questions leave me ♪
2094
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:56,630
♪ Unsettled, unsettled ♪
2095
01:34:01,940 --> 01:34:05,860
♪ Unsettled ♪
2096
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:19,880
♪ Maybe we don't know better ♪
2097
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:22,430
♪ Memories we can forget ♪
2098
01:34:22,430 --> 01:34:25,020
♪ But through it all
the questions leave me ♪
2099
01:34:25,020 --> 01:34:27,730
♪ Unsettled, unsettled ♪
2100
01:34:27,730 --> 01:34:30,120
♪ We're under too much pressure ♪
2101
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:32,490
♪ Try hard to redirect ♪
2102
01:34:32,490 --> 01:34:35,300
♪ But through it all
the questions leave me ♪
2103
01:34:35,300 --> 01:34:40,140
♪ Unsettled, unsettled ♪
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