All language subtitles for Lake.Of.Fire.2006.1080p.WEBRip.x264.AAC-[YTS.MX]

The state of south Dakota

has decided that they're
going to pass a statute

that literally echoes the
kind of statute that existed

prior to the decision
in roe versus Wade.

It says that abortion is
prohibited in all circumstances

except where necessary

to protect the life
of the mother.

Governor Mike rounds
was under incredible pressure

from, not just in
the state of south Dakota,

but all over the world.

He had emails and letters
and pressure put on him.

But governor Mike rounds

did what he knew in
his heart to be truth.

And he did the
right thing.

And he stepped
up to the plate

and his name will
go down in history

as a great governor.

And I believe that we need

to set our standards higher
in this nation

and not just settle
for a physical relationship,

but have it be something
that's a heart-to-heart.

And have it be
not just about lust

but have it be about love.

You have to draw
the conclusion

that there is a very,
very strong possibility

that within
the next three years,

between now and the time
that this piece of legislation

would find itself
on the benches

of the members of the
United States supreme court,

that there will be
an opportunity for
president bush

to appoint
another member

to the United States
supreme court.

And given his
selection process

and the fact that
he certainly supports

the pro-life side
of this issue,

I think we have
every reason to expect

that president bush
would appoint another
pro-life justice,

which at that
time would be

five pro-life versus
four pro-abortion.

I mean, what it...
What it really breaks
down to here, for me

is that abortion is
part of a huge issue
on both sides.

But the difference
between the pro-choice

and the pro-life
movements right now

is that the
pro-choice movement
is the only movement

truly trying,
or attempting,

to decrease the
need for abortion.

It would be sense-making

to say that birth
control to...

Being accessible
and affordable to people

that want to prevent
unwanted pregnancies

would be crucial.

But yet the
pro-life movement

is not only
targeting abortion,

but they're targeting
birth control,

they're equating
birth control to abortion,

especially
emergency contraception.

And then next,
they go after sex education.

So in the pro-life
movement's ideal,

people do not have sex
until marriage,

nor do they know anything
about pregnancy prevention,

use birth control,

or ever encounter
any sexual trans...

Sexually transmitted
diseases.

It's kind of amazing.

So...

I wish I could live there.

Someone that believes
in god

and has a relationship
with Jesus Christ

is going to heaven
and is going to live forever.

Someone that does not have
a relationship with Jesus Christ

is going to
burn in hell forever.

So either way,
you're going to live forever.

You can make that choice,
either heaven or hell.

It's up to you.

Hell is like a lake of fire.

Torment forever and ever
in the lake of fire.

What is a lake of fire?

Oh, I... I visualize it
like it must be like lava

coming out of a volcano,
except there are people in it,

and they're burning
and burning and burning

and they want to die,
but they can never die.

Heaven is the most beautiful
place you can imagine.

There's no sickness,
there's no tears,
there's no crime.

And best of all,
Jesus is there.

I thank you for
all the young people

that have come out
today, father.

I thank you for their
zeal and for their
commitment, father god.

And I pray that you bless
them for that, lord.

And I pray mostly that
they take this home
with them, father god,

that this is not
a once-a-year event, father,

that this is a daily event
for them, god.

God, I pray that
you keep me humble

and I pray that you
help me to lead young
people, father god.

I thank you,
in Jesus Christ's name.

Amen.

Thank you, Jesus.

This is my fourth
march for life.

But three months ago,

I got a call
from my younger brother.

He said, "Jeff,
my girlfriend's pregnant.

I'm scared.

What should I do?"

He was helpless...

And he was scared.

And he loved his baby.

Our whole family
tried to help.

Um...

My parents offered
to adopt the baby;

my brother offered
to marry his girlfriend.

Christian families offered
to give her a place to live.

I was able to put her
in touch with pregnancy
help centers

to provide her with food,
clothing, a job,

daycare while
she went to school.

My parents offered
to pay for a babysitter

if she wanted
to keep the baby.

And at first,
it seemed like, you know,

she wanted
to have the baby,

and she seemed
a bit excited.

Um...

And then she talked
to two of her roommates

who had had
abortions before...

And things
got to be desperate.

Uh, maybe eight weeks
into the pregnancy,

my brother called and
he's like, "Jeff, call her.

Just call her.
Just call her on the phone.

I'm scared. She
says she doesn't
want to marry me,

she doesn't
want the baby."

About this November...

Towards the end of November,
near Thanksgiving...

My brother's girlfriend
set up an appointment

at a Pittsburgh
abortion clinic.

Have you ever seen
the look on a father's face

when his child's
about to die

and he's completely
helpless to stop it?

Just think of
how many fathers

of those crosses out there

who don't know anybody,

who don't know
what's available for help,

how desperate
they must feel.

Praying for ending
of abortion in america

and the entire world
is a prayer

that would be worth
your while.

Because some day
this thing is going
to be turned around.

It may not be
in our lifetimes, but...

But some day
when the Messiah returns

and at the resurrection,

the... the dead bodies
will come out of
the graves and...

And everyone will
have to answer what
they've done where...

Wherever they are.

Not the church,
not the state,

women must
decide their fate!

Not the church,
not the state,

women must decide
their fate!

Not the church,
not the state,

women must
decide their fate!

Not the church,
not the state,

women must decide
their fate!

One minute after birth

is capital punishment,
murder one.

One minute before
is an abortion.

It is 100% legal.

A first trimester abortion
is a tiny puddle of flesh!

Pro-life number one!
God loves us.

What if you don't
believe in god?

This shall happen in
the presence of his majesty.

Woe, woe, woe
to this evil generation.

How could we say
we believe in god

and butcher one and a half
million babes every year?

How could we?

A miracle of a new generation

that will catch the vision
and shoulder the burden.

Only you can see
beyond this crossroads.

Only you can see
the fruit of our labors
and our sacrifice.

But today,
on this 20th anniversary,

we stand determined,
we stand united!

Amen!

Amen.

Praise god.

♪ God bless america

♪ land that I love

♪ stand beside her...

We have the passion
and the vision

and the courage of knowing
that we are right.

We are right,
they are wrong,

as we cling
to the word of god.

Where... where police
are telling us
that we can't pray.

Where they're arresting us
for saving babies.

Where we have
forced abortion,
forced sterilization,

gang violence
in our cities.

You women who have
a maternal passion
beating in your breast,

don't keep it
in your kitchen only,

take it down
to the school board,

take it down to the
city legislature
and run for office.

I'd rather have
a 100 deborahs

than one cowardly ahab
who cowers to jezebel!

♪ Our home...

Everyone now!

♪ Sweet

♪ home

♪ my home sweet home!

We have a two-fold plan:
Number one is to save

as many children
as we can from death.

And number two, it's
to be a prophetic witness

to the Clinton
administration

that we will not back down
on upholding the law of god.

If this nation...
If Bill Clinton

is going to reject
the law of god,

then this nation
is going to die.

What happened here?

What happened was
we had, uh,

operation rescue hold
their prayer vigil,

as they call it,
in front of our clinic,

and they attempted
to block it.

And, fortunately,
we were able to succeed.

And the police
helped us and we got
all our patients in.

Two, four, six, eight,

Randall Terry lost today!

Two, four, six, eight,

Randall Terry lost today!

Two, four, six, eight,

Randall Terry lost today!

Two, four, six, eight...

A couple months ago,
we went to an
abortion mill

in north Carolina,
took 128 dead babies,

arms, legs, heads,
everything, out
of dumpsters.

We even got a write-up
in the paper about it.

"The Charlotte observer"
actually printed it.

We've been taking it
to abortion mills,

giving it to people
that are going in
for abortions

and they've been leaving,
going to planned
parenthood clinics,

just because they don't
want their baby to wind
up in that dumpster.

Ladies, these men...

You're playing right
into their hands

because they are
exploiting you sexually.

They're having sex
with you when they want,
when you want,

they're using you sexually

and then they're paying
to have your baby killed.

Is that loving women?

...you're racist.
I'm not a racist.

Jesus loves you even
though you're a pig!

Do you know the
procedure used to be
to crush the heads?

Now they're worth $300,
so they sell the heads?

♪ na-na-na-na,
na-na-na-na ♪

♪ hey, hey, hey, goodbye!
This is called denial.

They don't want
to hear the truth.
This is called denial.

You can't even have
a legitimate conversation.

Every society that
has promoted the killing
of innocent blood,

the shedding
of innocent blood,

not to mention
homosexuality, would
have been wiped out.

♪ If you're pro-choice
and you know it, fix your wigs ♪

♪ if you're pro-choice
and you know it ♪

♪ and you really want
to show it ♪

♪ if you're pro-choice
and you know it, fix your wigs ♪

Would you want these
kind of people

to baby-sit your children?

I mean, think about it.

♪ Glory, glory,
we are pro-gay ♪

♪ glory, glory,
we are pro-sex ♪

♪ church ladies
marching on ♪

They might not be
a good influence on my kids.

I could be wrong.

It could be that
my homophobia and bigotry

has made me blind,
but I think...

Again, I could be wrong...

I think that
this is perversion.

Whoo!

Randall, Jesus
loves even you!

Don't worry.
It's all right.

We spoke to him
this morning.

Randall Terry go away...

Listen, Jeffrey dahmer
believed in freedom
of choice!

Sexist bigotry!

Jeffrey dahmer believed
in freedom of choice!

Sexist bigotry!
And he was a homosexual!

Sexist bigotry!
And he practiced
necrophilia!

Sexist bigotry!

Do you think
Jeffrey dahmer
was a good man?

Sexist bigotry.
That's you, Randall.

See, you can't even
carry on a conversation
with these people.

You can't even
carry on a conversation
with these people.

For anyone who studied
biology or physiology,

who can go into the womb

and look at the
gestational facts

of when life occurs...

Just like you said, Tony,

when you look
at the pro-life

and you look at
an abortion procedure,

in all its glory
and for what it is,

there are no arguments

that can justify that.

It was a hard
decision to make.

I'm still in school.

I can't...

I... can't have
any children right now.

The age that I am and...

The things I still
need to do

before I can actually
raise a child,

like finish college

and have a good job
and a marriage...

My fiance, at the time,

lived out of town
and came home for a weekend

and I wasn't expecting him.

And we used a
condom, but...

Wasn't as fool-proof
as we thought it would be.

I mean, our relationship

wasn't that,
you know, strong.

There wasn't
that much of...

You know, trust
or support there anyway.

And then, like,
to bring something
like this into...

Into our
relationship, it...

It wouldn't have worked.

It... it won't.

Uh, he doesn't care.

So I didn't
discuss it with him.

He doesn't care
if I have the child

or if I abort the child.

Everything's going
very well.

Okay. Very good.

We've got them
in good position.

And this is an
antiseptic solution.

And we're all done.

Okay. This will feel
much better now,

get the speculum out.
Yeah, this ought
to help a lot,

we'll get that out.
Is that any better?

All right.
Just stay right there.

Just let me just...
Doctor... wipe
for a minute.

Okay.
We are done.

All right.

Good show.

We'll find out that
her total blood loss

was really quite minimal.

It's just a matter of us

basically piecing the...

The fetal tissue
back together

to make sure that we
have all of the fragments.

Oh, the media
attention is...

Is always directed
for the fetus and the...

The gory parts,
if you will, of...

Of providing the...
The procedure.

When the... when
the really important thing

is that we've been able
to help this young lady

get on with her life,
she's planning
to go on to school

and she doesn't have
to take over

the responsibilities
of parenting.

And here, in just
a very few minutes,

we're able to
facilitate her decision

to not be a parent
at this time.

Most of our patients
are in the first trimester

and only 1% would be
at this stage
in the pregnancy.

How are you doing?
Are you feeling okay?

You really
did fine.

We couldn't have asked
for you to...

To be a
better patient.

You... everything
was there

and you were
20 menstrual weeks,

just like we had
expected from
the ultrasound.

But the procedure
really went fine

and I'm sure
you will be okay.

When I hear arguments

by intelligent, zealous,
well-meaning people,

both in favor of
a woman's right to choose

and against a woman's
right to choose,

I always think of
the old story of the rabbi

who was conducting court
in Eastern Europe.

And he heard
the husband's version

of why the marriage
was terrible

and said to the husband,

"you know, my son,
you're right."

Then he heard the
wife's version and
he says to the wife,

"you know, my daughter,
you're right."

And then the rabbinical
student says,

"but, rabbi,
they both can't be right."

And the rabbi said,
"you know, my son,
you're right."

Everybody is right

when it comes to
the issue of abortion.

One of the most
fascinating people

in the entire
abortion debate

is my friend and
colleague nat hentoff,

who is a writer
and a civil libertarian.

Generally supports
the right of women,

always supports
the right to choose,

for example, the
right to choose

to read or write
pornography.

He's an atheist.
He doesn't believe in god,

doesn't believe
in the soul of a fetus,

and yet he does not
support a woman's right
to choose abortion.

Once the sperm
and the egg meet

and they find a sort of
nesting place in the uterus,

you now have a
developing human being.

It's not a kangaroo,
it's not a giraffe.

It's a human being.

And that development
in the womb

until the person
comes out

is a continuing process.

Therefore, if you
kill it at any stage,

first three weeks,
first three months,

you're killing a
developing human being.

It's not, as they used
to say on the other side,

"just a cluster
of cells".

They like to pretend
that this is not human life.

And it's interesting...

Uh, Alan Dershowitz
mentioned to me
some years ago,

his wife was pregnant

and he saw the fetus
in a sonogram.

And you could see the hands
moving and the feet moving.

And for a moment,
he began to wonder

if his pro-choice position
was really the one to hold,

but he kept to it.

I'll never forget
the time

when I saw the
first pictures

of my little daughter
and was told by the...

The doctor that,
you know,

she was kind of
reaching for the
needle as the, uh...

The injection had...
Had come in

because she was being given
an amniocentesis.

For me, that was
a live human being.

I regarded my child
as live and a person,

certainly from
the third month or so.

But that's because
we had made a firm decision

that this child was
going to be brought
into the world.

I don't know how
I would feel about a
three-month-old fetus

who the mother said
is going to be terminated.

Would I think of it
as a human being
at that point?

Uh, this... these
are... these are the
hardest questions.

These are questions
that are impossible

of solution in
the abstract.

There are conflicting
values.

And taken in isolation,

each of the values
is quite legitimate.

So the value of
preserving human life,

or for that matter
the life of any organism,

uh, that... that
is a value that
we should accept.

You shouldn't just go
arbitrarily kill some animal

because it's fun to kill it.

I... that's
a reasonable value.

On the other hand,
most people will agree
to SWAT a mosquito.

Okay, well, that...

The idea that life is...
Should be valued

has come into conflict
with another value...

And we know
what that one is.

And that's commonly
the case.

The values that we hold
are not absolute,

they are always
contingent.

They conflict.

And life is made up
of decisions and
complicated situations

in cases of
conflicting values.

If you listen to just
one in isolation,

yeah, it may sound
legitimate and...

And maybe is.

But you have to ask
what it means under
particular conditions.

So choice is legitimate,

preserving life
is legitimate,

and sometimes
they run into conflict.

What's really going on

when people argue
about abortion

are very different
world views,

very different conceptions
of the role of women,

of how important
motherhood is,

of whether women should be
out in the world of work,

of the importance
of sexuality,

of the separation

between sexual behavior
and procreation,

and that this is
what really divides

both women and men on
the issue of abortion.

And that's not something
that's going to be resolved

by any kind of
philosophical argument.

And I think that women
that allow themselves
to be used by men

and then have to go
to an abortion clinic

to take care of
a few minutes' pleasure

is absolutely insane.

I think we need
to get back to the Bible

and we need to bring
our children to god.

And that's why
there's so much murder

and... free sex
in this country.

And we need to stop it.

I believe that
the woman's choice

is not to have sex with...

With a person
that's not her husband

and to have sex
out of wedlock

or to mess around
with people

before they get married.

I just think it's wrong

and I just think that we should
go back to the Bible

and teach our children
righteousness.

If you study history,

you go back and find out
that this nation was founded

upon moral issues
and religion.

And when you have a life
formed inside a human being,

and it is life,
and you take that life,

then you had to premeditate
the taking of that life.

So, as far as I'm concerned,
my feelings on abortion

is that it is
first degree murder.

You know, I just pray

that we will come to
our senses as a nation,

that we will go back
and listen

and study the history
of our founding fathers

and see what this country
was really based upon

and what it was
founded upon.

But here in america,
the land of the free

and supposedly the land
that believes in god,

we have a holocaust
of our own,

and blood
is on our hands

much more than it ever was
on the Nazi regime.

Thank you.

When the supreme court
declared abortion

to be a constitutional
right in 1973,

the bishops became extremely
politically active.

So much so that by 1974,

they had developed
something called

the pastoral plan
for pro-life activities,

in which they attempted
to organize catholics,

congressional district by
congressional district,

to work against abortion,

to work to overturn
roe v. Wade

and make abortion illegal.

You had pro-life
committees cropping up

in every parish
across the country,

and you had a
continuing barrage

of both political
campaigning by the bishops

as well as the
organization of ordinary
catholic people.

It's the catholic
bishops that started

and initially financed

the first pro-life,
anti-abortion
organizations

in the United States.

Our goal must be to shine
the light of Christ

into the heart
of our nation.

We must therefore,
first and foremost,

develop a willingness
to speak out in defense
of all human life,

even in the most
ordinary of circumstances
of daily life.

Parishes must engage
themselves in
concerted action

through networks
which promote change

in public social policy
and legal rights

to protect all
created human life

from the moment of
conception through
natural death.

We are warned by Christ's
Maxim in the gospel

that those who
live by violence

will perish by it.

If you are hearing every
Sunday in church

that abortion is murder,

if you are hearing
every sun... if you
are hearing regularly

that the... the most
dangerous environment

in the world
is women's wombs,

if you are hearing that
women are having abortions
for convenience,

if you are hearing
that women are selfish

in their decisions
to have abortions,

if you... if doctors
who perform abortions

are constantly called
abortionists,

if the provision of
abortion services

is constantly
referred to as the
abortion industry,

if you are
constantly told

that doctors do abortions
simply to make money,

all of these things
dull one's moral sensibility,

and in an unstable
person, I think,

gives them the kind
of justification
that they need to...

To even go so far
as to murder doctors.

The last three physicians
I have worked for

have all been murdered.

I was there the day
that Dr. Gunn was
murdered at the clinic

at the ladies center.
That was in march of '93.

In pensacola, Florida,

police have arrested an
anti-abortion demonstrator

for the shooting
of a doctor outside
an abortion clinic.

Police said
Michael Frederick Griffin

approached Dr. David gunn
as he was entering
his clinic

and shouted, "don't
kill any more babies."

He then shot Dr. Gunn
three times in the back

with a .38 caliber revolver.

He then surrendered
to the authorities.

Griffin was taking part
in a demonstration

sponsored by Don treshman
of rescue america,

a Houston-based
anti-abortion organization.

Michael Griffin walked up
to him in the parking lot

and shot him in the back.

Michael was raised
in first methodist church,

downtown pensacola.

But then he married
a woman who...

She and her family
were members of the
assembly of god,

and so he converted
over to that.

So he came out of
the woodwork in pensacola.

The case the defense
is making, they seem
to be saying that...

Michael Griffin was
really not the man
who pulled the trigger.

The defense is trying
to point to another man

named Donald gratton,
who's a...

A very active
anti-abortion minister,

and who's also
associated with a man

who's been very critical
in all of this,

John Burt, another
anti-abortion minister.

But the defense is trying
to say that the whole thing

was more or less
masterminded by John Burt.

We should see those
two individuals

on the stand tomorrow,
probably.

John Burt is a
local lay minister

of the assembly of god.

He is a former
serviceman,

former ku klux klan member.

Had been in Jacksonville
in the military

where he joined
the ku klux klan.

He became a dope addict
and an alcoholic,

little bit of
everything else

until he found Jesus.

We went out there
on a Monday or Tuesday,

I'm not sure
what day it was now,

and were picketing
the place

when somebody said
they heard some shots.

And then they
ran around back

and coming back
around front said,

"David's laying
on the ground and
he's pumping blood."

And during that time,

Michael had come back
around front,

turned himself over to a
law enforcement officer.

I think Burt
needs to practice
more peace.

He doesn't need
to teach hate,

and that's what
he's doing. I
don't know that...

He says he's
practicing or
teaching love

and Christian
and all this,
but he is...

He's just stirring up
hate and violence.

I feel Burt is...
I... I hold him
responsible

for Dr. Gunn's
murder.

He may not
have pulled
that trigger,

but he was just as
responsible for
Michael Griffin

because he... like
he said, he got...

Got a weak mind.
He pumped him up.

He pumped him up
for it.
I really do.

Burt...

I think he's a...

A man of contradictions
in many ways and...

And yet I don't
think he is.

He's a pretty simple
person to understand.

He does not like children,

yet he dedicates
his efforts toward them.

I don't think he really
likes women...

And yet he uses them to...

To make a living off them.

He...

Supposedly is
understanding,

but yet he's extremely
controlling.

His own daughter has said
she liked him better

when he was a drunk
and an addict.

We run a.... a ministry

for women and children
in crisis,

whether it be
unwed mothers,

battered wives,
homeless people,

any kind of crisis situation
a woman could be in.

We ask for at least
a six-month commitment.

After that time,
if they want to try
to go to school,

we'll try to
get grants for them

or help them go
through voc...

Voc-tech school
or find housing.

And they can stay
with us while they go
to school is they want.

When you come to
a place like this

where they show
you that...

But they show you
through... in the Bible

where it shows you
this is the way it was.

When you see a lot of
homosexuals and lesbians,

you see that god doesn't
like it to begin with,

no matter
what they tell you.

Look what he did
in sodom and gomorrah.

You know, if he did it
way back then,

what's he going
to do now?

So it can't be a
peaceful world that
we're coming to.

It's going to be worse.

If this was a
Christian country,

David gunn would be
guilty of murder

and he would stand
trial before a
jury of his peers

and be executed
for killing the children.

And that's what you wanted,

was for Dr. Gunn
to be killed.

No, sir. That's what
would happen if we were
a Christian country.

I see.

And you don't
feel that we're a
Christian country?

No, sir.
Not with the...

People we got
in office nowadays.

This couldn't be
a Christian country.

You believe that...

You think that harming
another person is okay

to stop abortion?

If that's what god's
spoken to someone.

If that is the word

that god has spoken
to someone.

Yes, sir.

And have you
ever helped god

speak to anyone?

No, I'm not god.

I'm just flesh and blood.

I pledge allegiance
to the flag of the
United States of America.

I... I don't know how much
longer, as christians,

we can even pledge
allegiance to the flag

because that flag
just flies over places

like the prisons
where our patriots
are locked up,

and over the abortion
clinics where our
babies are killed.

Politics and religion
in the United States

don't mix at all anymore.

They tell you
what you can pray,

when you can pray,
where you can pray.

It's just a... it's
just a sorry situation

in this country right now.

I remember giving my...

And that was
a long time ago...

I sent two videos,
two books, could
have been more...

The prosecution
tried to say

we brainwashed Michael.

They said that we
encouraged him to
do the shooting,

but I believe
if you're pro-life,

you're for all life,
whether it's born or unborn.

We showed Michael Griffin
and his family

two tapes when
they were over here.

One was called
"the hard truth"

and one was called
"who will cry for me?"

They were very graphic
abortion tapes...

That have been shown
all over the country

to thousands and
thousands of people.

I don't know if it had
an effect on him,

but I know it hadn't
had an effect on
many other people,

not to the extreme
it did on him

where they want to go out
and kill somebody.

Some might ask
why a video of this sort

should even be necessary.

The answer can be found
in the gruesome films

used to teach about
the Nazi holocaust
against the Jews.

Teachers don't show
bloody world war ii footage

to manipulate students
emotionally,

they use it because
the Nazi death camps

represented an evil
so inexpressible

that lectures alone

could never
adequately describe it.

The abortion holocaust
is no different.

Everyone instinctively
knows that abortion is evil,

but many mistakenly believe

it's often the lesser
of two evils.

Until you've seen the pictures
we're about to show you,

you can't begin to know
how evil it actually is.

♪ A curse on him

♪ who would deny

♪ god's image in mankind

♪ torn from out
their mother's womb ♪

♪ denied the sky,
denied a tomb ♪

♪ conceived in lust
to their own ruin ♪

♪ a sacrifice to pleasure

♪ a curse, a curse
their blood cries out ♪

♪ a curse, a curse
the heavens shout ♪

♪ a curse on him
who dares to flout ♪

♪ god's image...

And you use those

to help convert
people to your
position.

To show them the truth

of what's going on
in the clinic

and hopefully
they'll realize

that they're killing
children in there, yes.

In response
to a question

about your
responsibility,

your involvement
in this shooting
incident of David gunn,

if you made the
following statement:

"If I am a general
with troops under me

and I give them
a game plan and
send them out,

I can't be
responsible

for every soldier
in that army."

Did you say that?
Yes, sir.

No further
questions.

The anti-abortionists
are strongly
fundamentalists,

almost universally,

and whether you're talking
about catholics,

mormons or protestants,
they're... they're kind...

One kind of fundamentalist
or the other.

Those who favor choice
tend to be non-religious.

And a whole lot of them,

the activists, the escorts
at clinics and so forth,

are pagans,
overtly pagan.

And so, we... we have
a religious war,

in a sense,
going on here.

Hopefully, Michael Griffin
will get...

The jury will give him
a medal, I hope.

I was just talking with...

With Andrew cabot again

and with...
The woman down there,

what's her name?
Slipped my mind...

Bray, Donna bray.
And she's saying...

She's saying, "come down
and visit me any time

and I'll show you around."
And so they've given me

a lot of hospitality,
which is nice.

Would you mind if he joins us?

Not at all.
That'd be fine.

I notice you're not
on this list.

I think they should
execute blasphemers.

You think they
should execute...?

Blasphemers, yes.

Yes. The Bible
teaches that.

Now, to blaspheme is to...

For instance,
if you say...

If a person were to say,
"goddammit",

is that blasphemy?

Paul, is taking...
Is... is...

Using the lord's
name in vain, that's
not blasphemy.

If you say, "goddammit",

if someone says that,
are they blaspheming?

It might be, yes.
Uh, yes, yes.

And that person
should be executed?

I think so, yes.

Okay, so you go out

to the ball park with
your kids or something

and some baseball players
are out there

and they say,
"goddammit", would you...?

Well, no, I'm talking about
members, you know...

Well, yes, yes.

Anybody who blasphemes our
god should be executed.

Because, you know, that's
what the Bible teaches.

They want to head
towards a shooting war,

like a jihad,
a holy war.

Some of the players involved,
Paul hill, Andrew cabot,

have said that
they think that...

It is justifiable

to kill abortionists
and others

should they not repent
from their sins.

Now, the sins that were
included in there,

they mentioned sodomites,
which is the...

The fundamentalist term
for homosexuals.

They should be killed,
they're worthy of execution.

And people who blaspheme
are worthy of execution,

such as somebody
who says "goddammit".

Boom. They
should be executed.

I asked them that question
specifically.

I'm taken aback a little
bit, I guess, here.

Do you want to know other
sins that we...

We'd execute people for?

Yes, yes.

There's sod... sodomy.

And define sodomy for the...

Those are the sodomites
over there.

That's the definition.

What... what do you mean?

Because they're
in favor of abortion?

No, they're sodomites.

Most of your rabid
feminists are sodomites.

Most of them. Most
of the rabid femi-Nazis

are lesbians and...
And pro-aborts.

I mean,
they're pro-abort too.

So a sodomite is someone

who has sex with a person
of their same gender?

Yes.
And they deserve what?

Execution.

So the whole day yesterday
was kind of surreal for me

because when I had talked
to Paul hill first...

And... and he's
very smooth on-camera

and in...
In interviews...

But when he's around
somebody like Andrew cabot,

then you see
the other side of him,

the... the more
ominous side.

Then he admits that, yes,

he would kill somebody
for saying "goddammit".

And when I
walked away from them,

I was actually shaking
a little bit.

I mean, I've been a
reporter for a long time

and I've heard
a lot of crazy things,

but there was just
something about that.

I... I could sense
inside myself

that something really evil
was going to happen.

And, I mean,
how did it come about

that you signed
a statement in...

In behalf of
Michael Griffin?

Well, defensive action
is a pro-life organization

declaring the justice
of taking all godly
action necessary

to defend innocent
human life, including
the use of force.

We're declaring that whatever
force is justified

in the defense of the life
of a born child

is also justified
in defense of the life
of an unborn child.

And five days after
the shooting of Dr. Gunn,

I appeared on the
"donahue" show with
Dr. David gunn's son

and I said that,
while I did not think

that what Michael Griffin did
was necessarily wise...

I suspended judgment
as to whether it
was wise or not...

I said I thought
it was, in fact, just.

We, the jury, find as follows

as to the charge contained
in the indictment...

Guilty of first-degree
murder as charged
in the indictment.

So say we all
this 5th day of march, 1994.

The blood of the children
are on the jury's hands now.

And when they face god
on judgment day,

they're going to have
to account

for what happened
here today.

And it won't be pretty.

Are you surprised
at the verdict?

No, he was guilty.

There wasn't
any question about that.

I mean, they had four people
that heard confession so...

He's guilty.

So you'll be back out on
ninth Avenue before long?

Yes sir,
next Friday.

And I... I would guess,
in six months

we'll probably be back up
to the 50 or 60 people

that we had every day
at the clinic again.

So once we get out...
Once we get out

from under the shadow of
the Michael Griffin case,

Dr. Gunn's death,
we can go on
business as usual.

The... the guilty verdict
on Michael Griffin
was a travesty

'cause Michael
is actually a hero.

He laid down his life

out of love for
his unborn neighbors.

But he has raised
a question...

And the question will not
be put back in the box...

As to whether it is just

to defend not only
born children

but also unborn children,
with force.

And it's clearly justified
to do as he has done.

As a matter of fact,
not only justified,

but Christ himself
has said

that we should
do unto others

as we would have them
do unto us.

So can we expect
to see you

on trial for murder
in the near future?

I... I don't
think we've seen

the last type of violence

such as what
Michael Griffin did
with Dr. Gunn.

I think it's going
to escalate from
here on out.

They're very small
in number right now,

but they want to grow

and they need to do
some outrageous things

to get the kind
of media attention

and to sort of
inspire people

who want to come and be
martyrs for the cause.

It's going to get worse

because no one's willing
to take action.

I mean, no...

They didn't take
significant action

after my father's murder

and that created a climate
where they kind of said,

"go ahead
and do it again."

Because all the heads
of the organizations

didn't condemn the actions
of Michael Griffin.

They said, you know,
"we're sorry, but..."

And I want to thank you all
for coming out.

And it means a lot to me
to see everybody here.

I can't thank you enough
for... for being here,

for continuing to...
To do what you do every day

under... under the
pressure, under the...

The hate, under the...
The threat of violence

that you all have to face.

It's amazing to me,
especially after...

After my father
was murdered

and after Dr. Tilley
was shot,

and even Dr. Patterson
was murdered in mobile.

Like, I mean, I can't...

Believe the conviction
that you all must have.

And even... today,

when we're trying
to have a memorial service,

we have to deal with it.

I mean, we have people
over there in the corner.

We have to show these people
that they can stand there,

they can hold
their signs,

they can speak
their words...

And for every
law they break,

we can pass a law
that will break them.

Thank you for being here.

I hope that this next year
proves to be a lot better

than the one that we've
just got finished with.

But if you persist
in killing born or
unborn children,

the wrath of god
abides on you.

This is the second death,
the lake of fire.

Oh no!

Not the lake of fire!

Murderers should be executed.

Abortionists are murderers,

therefore, abortionists
should be executed.

The radicals and zealots
here in our community

suddenly changed
the pattern

that they had used
in the past.

We went from having

volunteer anti-abortion
people who fought
against us,

and in march of 1989
that changed.

Suddenly there
was a cadre of
highly-paid leaders.

There was a cadre
of part-time people

who act as the
sign-carriers and the...

What they call
"sidewalk counselors",
they're...

They're far
from counselors.

There is a
national technique

that the
anti-abortion
extremists

have used around
the country

in which they buy
the property,

the closest possible
to the clinic.

In fact, this household
and the people around it

have more paid people
working against us

than my staff
inside this clinic.

There also is
a voyeuristic component

about these people watching
across the street.

Many of them are
the terrible profile

that police tell you about:

The single,
unmarried man

with no familial
attachments of any kind.

I believe that those men

get their sexual feelings
from the voyeurism.

The closest those men
come to having sex

is by preying on women
whom they know have had sex,

and they get a libidinous
thrill from it.

Religious people should be
active in great numbers

to picket and
sidewalk-counsel these women

to discourage them
from the crime of murder.

With proper civil law,
these women,

once they have
procured an abortion,

should be tried
and convicted

of first or
second-degree murder
or manslaughter,

as the particular
circumstances of
the case warrants.

In some cases,
it should be the person

who forced a woman
or a girl into
having an abortion

who should be tried
and convicted.

This problem of the over
80% of American women

are guilty of murder.

Most of these
remain unrepentant.

They are in a state of
denial regarding their guilt

and have not asked
for god's forgiveness.

It is these women
and their male accomplices

who make it so difficult

for clergymen
who do speak
against these evils.

Short of god's direct
intervention,

justifiable homicide,

a legal defense in
every state of the union

and recently acknowledged
by Ann landers,

may be the only way
to discourage

the practice of abortion
in the future.

I believe that
we're on the verge

of going out
into the universe,

and I believe that...

We will have a
holy people at that time.

So within the next
20 to 50 years...

We would have a
complete reversal

of what we have today,

have a very highly
religious people,

and it would be these
people who would go out

and populate the universe.

Or, as the case may be,

if there's already
populations out there,

would instruct them
in proper faith.

John Burt owned
a little bit of that land

on two sides of
the ladies center

which he used for...
Platforms over the fence

to holler at people
as they went in and
out of the clinic.

And Paul hill
came to pensacola.

He began picketing,
joining in the activities

at the ladies center,
in particular.

He was regarded
with suspicion by Burt

and the conroys and
the other leaders at
those picketing events.

Publicly,
they disavowed him;

at the same time
they cooperated with
him and he with them.

He stood on Burt's platform
screaming at women

and no one could get
on that platform

without Burt's permission.

So, obviously,
they were working together.

Dr. Britton told me

he wears his
bullet-proof vest

to reassure his family
and staff,

and as a normal
safety measure.

Well, I have the same
concern lest there...

Something might go wrong,

so I try to keep
my eyes open

and look around.

But I...
I'm not any...

Really, any more afraid
than I would be

in any other situation

where one has to
use precautions.

Protesters who congregate

outside the clinics
where he practices

have followed him,

run checks on his
license plate,

and produce what they
describe as "unwanted"
posters about him,

but he is not intimidated.

It's just that
here's a job that

if I don't do it, it
probably won't get done.

And so I do it.

Abortionists
are murderers!

Murderers should
be executed!

And then when I
did get the word

that it was the doc...

I collapsed.

I just could not
believe...

I mean, I remember...
I'd never lost
consciousness,

but I remember
hitting the dirt,

'cause I could
not believe that,

"my god, this has
happened again."

I'm angry because
Paul hill stood out front

for the last,
what, 17 months

with a sign that
says "by god."

You know, he didn't say,
"I'm going to do it,"

but he sure
advocated it...

And that it was
going to happen.

Why did you do it?

Now is the time
to defend the unborn

in the same way you
defend slaves about
to be murdered.

One difference between
Paul hill and Michael

is that Michael was
just kind of a fruitcake.

Now, Paul hill really
sincerely believed
what he did was right

and he would give you
scripture to back that up,

which I don't think he can,
but he thinks he can.

So I like Paul.
Paul's a likeable guy.

I consider Paul a friend.

The court finds,
as did the jury,

that the aggravating
circumstances
presented in this case

outweigh the mitigating
circumstances presented.

Accordingly,
it is ordered and judged

that defendant
Paul Jennings hill

is hereby sentenced
in count one, to death,

for the murder of
Dr. John bayard britton.

It is further ordered
that the defendant,
Paul Jennings hill,

is hereby sentenced
in count two, to death,

for the murder of
James Herman Barrett.

The defendant is hereby
committed to the custody

of the department
of corrections in
the state of Florida

for execution of
this sentence as
provided by law.

May god have mercy
on your soul.

Your honor,

the word of the lord
says, "test not..."

Order in the court.

"...Charged to my..."

This man
is innocent

and his blood will
be on your hands

and the hands of
the people of the
state of Florida

and on the jury.

She's right.

That's right, your honor.

And we support Paul.

We think
in the future

there will be
much more of
these actions.

We think that maybe
truck bombings of
abortion conventions,

surface-to-surface
missiles may be used.

Abortion must
be banned now

or this force
will spin out
of control.

Absolutely.

Do you think
something else

is going to happen
as a result of this?

In time.
I can't answer

just exactly how soon,
but in... in time.

It will motivate people,

particularly when Paul
has actually been executed,

it will motivate people
to become very active.

To do what?

To... take action,

violent action
if necessary,

against abortionists,
their staffs,

facilities
that perform abortions.

The other day
I was passing...

I had been somewhere

and passed a family
planning clinic

where people were
so vehemently protesting

with those awful pictures
of fetuses and so on;

and I got to thinking,
"what in the world...?"

If I think of this as
a projection, you know,

if people are
very moved, I...

I think we think of,

from the point of
view of the psyche
of what moves people,

and that often
what people get
so up in arms about

is something of their
own internal life

that's projected
out on the world.

So I thought, well,
what could this be

that people
who are so furious

at women who are going
to have an abortion?

What... what is it?

Are they projecting
their own killing
a new life,

what new life might
they be killing in themselves

that they're projecting
onto these women?

And that... then
it occurred to me

I might think
about that further,

which I intend to do,
because I think dogma...

You know, if one
subscribes to a dogma,

there's a kind of killing
of any new life.

When creativity,
new thinking, new
feeling, can't...

Can't get born, it
gets killed by the dogma.

At around 10:00 A.M.

On December 30th,
a Friday morning,

I was in pre-term
in the stock room

when suddenly I heard
the sound of gunfire:

Pop, pop, pop, pop.

Being an nra-certified
instructor,

I recognized immediately

that this was small caliber
semi-automatic fire,

either from a pistol
or a rifle.

I drew my east German-made
makarov pistol

from my left-hand
side holster

and approached the door.

I pulled the door open
with my right hand

and entered
the crime scene.

I saw Jane sauer
lying prone

at the back of the office
near a coffee machine,

but she was still alive,

she was still moving
and squirming.

Off to the right I spotted
a suspect, an intruder,

and he and I began
to engage in gunfire.

I had a limited capacity,
nine shots,

but apparently
my opponent had

up to 50 or more shots
immediately available

and had hundreds
more available to
him in a black bag.

We fought for
a short period,

and during that time
I was wounded three times

by three or four bullets.

During a gun fight,

you don't feel fear
or pain or anger.

Time seemed to be
greatly expanded

as if moving
in slow motion.

And I was able
to remember

every detail of
the suspect's face

including his
blazing eyes,

his furrowed brow
and his taut mouth,

a sight that
I'll never forget.

On that day, to me,
he looked as white
as a ghost.

And I'll always remember
the sounds of the gunfire,

pop, pop, pop, pop,

and the cries
from leanne Nichols,

"no! No! No! No!"

Followed by shrill,
high-pitched screams.

And I'll always
remember the oath
that he cried out at me

as he was peppering me
with gunfire.

In a blasphemous way
he said,

"in the name of
the mother of god."

Those words
I will never forget.

A few months ago,

a man in Florida
killed a doctor who
performed abortions.

Do you recall,
remember his name?

No. What was that?

Do you remember
reading about it?

Reading that he shot
a physician to death

and he was charged
and convicted
of murder?

Uh...

Do you recall
reading about?

Huh! Uh... I've
heard different
things in the paper

about different
individuals doing
stuff like that.

Okay.

Do you support
that kind of
conduct or not?

Do I support it?
That's a question that I...

I don't know.
Does the pope support it?

If the pope supported it,
I support it.

How does the pope
feel about it?

I don't know the
answer to that.

Has... has the pope
made a proclamation

one way or the
other on it?

Have you asked him?
I... I don't know.

If every catholic
was like me...

Mm-hmm.

Just like me...

The catholic church would
have anything it wanted.

But I just want
to understand

your views
on abortion,

personally and
as a catholic.

I believe along
the lines of what
the pope believes.

Whatever the pope
believes, I believe.

All right.
And...

The pope delegates his
authority to the...

Cardinals, to
the bishops...

To the priests...
But the...

The pope has a
specific papal
encyclical

...to me.
On abortion,
right?

The pope has
taken a very
fixed position...

Yes, I back the pope up.
Okay.

And what is
that position?
He's against it.

All right,
and...
Completely.

Completely?
Yeah.

Okay. And do
you feel the
same way?

Yes.
All right.

How strongly?
I'm also against

quite a few forms
of birth control too.

Okay. Let's stay
with abortion,

just keep it
simple here.

How strong an advocate
are you for the
anti-abortion...?

As strong as the pope is.

Okay. And
have you...

If the pope
says, "jump,"

the catholic people
should jump.

If the pope
says, "sit,"

the catholic people
should sit.
Okay.

The ones who don't sit
when the pope says sit

and the ones who
don't jump when
the pope says jump

are the ones
that aren't smart.

Okay.

In the name of Jesus...

In an interview
just days before

he was due to be executed,

Paul hill said
that he would have
deserved imprisonment

had he been
an abortionist,

but that it was
offensive to him

that the government
wanted to kill him

for having done
a good deed.

At just past 6:00 P.M.

On September 3rd, 2003,

officers of
the state of Florida

pushed a needle containing
a deadly cocktail of drugs

into the arm of Paul hill.

A day before he died,

hill had said:
"To be quite honest,

it seemed like a wonderful
privilege to me

to die for having defended
innocent people."

♪ The cross before me

♪ the world behind me

♪ the cross before me

♪ the world behind me

♪ the cross before me

♪ the world behind me

♪ no turning back...

The whole conflict

on abortion in the
United States has arisen

because of the
religious right

jumping on this issue

as something to use
to convert people,

to gain adherence
to their particular...

Fundamental
christianity beliefs,

and also to raise money,

not incidentally,
to raise money.

They use propaganda
as well as anybody else.

They know
the techniques.

They know that
you take an issue

and you push it
into the marketplace

and people respond to it,

and then it
becomes bigger,

and that's the technique
that they're using.

Back in 1970,

at a little pizza parlor
down on Greenville Avenue,

Norma mccorvey
met Sarah weddington
and Linda coffee,

and there was
the beginnings of
roe versus Wade.

In Austin, what
was happening was that

the law was that
abortion was illegal

except to save
the life of the woman.

No one really knew
what that meant,

and so doctors
simply would not
perform procedures,

because they were
afraid that they
would be prosecuted

and certainly lose
their medical licenses.

There was a major case...

It is probably the
most important case
before roe versus Wade

in our American legal
history of privacy...

And it was a case
that said there is
a right of privacy,

such that individuals
have the right to decide

whether to bear
or begat a child.

We began by filing
a case in Dallas.

I had asked one
of the people in
law school with me,

a woman named Linda coffee,
to be co-counsel.

We had found a married
couple in Dallas

who were willing
to be plaintiffs

and we had found an
unmarried pregnant woman,

whom we call Jane roe.

I signed an affidavit
on march the 7th of 1970,

stating that I was an
unmarried pregnant woman

and that I had sought
to get a legal abortion

here in the state
of Texas, and...

But because of the
Texas statute on abortion,

I could not do so.

The court case moved
to Washington D.C.,

and on January 22nd, 1973,

abortion, through
all nine months,

was made legal
in this nation.

What we didn't know then

was that, as we
were celebrating,

those who were opposed
to abortion were thinking

about how they could eventually
defeat that victory.

Someone come by and they
blew out our front windows.

They drove down
the street,

they turned around,
they came back,

they blew out the
back windshield of my car,

plus the storm door.

I've been harassed
on the telephone.

I've been harassed
in grocery stores,
department stores,

anywhere where you find
the general public,

for my stand on abortion.

I spent the better part
of 14 years in this house,

locked up,
afraid to go outside.

One day I was working
at this... this gay bar

and I just felt like
there wasn't anything
for me to live for.

So I got off work early,

I went to my apartment,

and I would sit and I just
started cutting, like,

a quarter of an inch
of my wrists at a time.

Miss Norma had come out
with a brand new book.

It was...
It was in 1994.

It was called
"I am roe".

And we went down

where miss Norma was doing
a bookselling and...

And she was
signing her books

in a little cafe
on mckinney Avenue,

and we confronted
her there

with what we felt like
that she had done.

And I can remember saying,
"Norma mccorvey,

you ought to be ashamed

that you have caused and
been the cause of the death

of over 35 million
little baby boys and girls."

And I knew when
I saw those words
pour into her heart,

I knew that
I had hurt her

and I knew that
there was something
that I had to do.

One Thursday morning,
I was sitting here

and Connie called me
from work and...

'Cause we worked at the
same abortion clinic.

And she says,
"you'll never guess

who's moving in
next door."

And I said, "who?"
And she says, "guess."

So I said, "okay,
Robert redford and...

I don't know,
Woody Allen."

She said, no, that it was
operation rescue.

Operation rescue is a
pro-life organization

that wants to abolish
roe versus Wade

and make abortion illegal.

God providentially
worked it out

that we moved right in
next door to her.

I was a crystal carrier.

I carried crystals,
I had my pyramid,

I had my little
fertility goddesses.

I had amulets that
I wore around my
ankles and my waist.

And flip told me that
I didn't need those things.

If I...

If I would just
believe in Jesus

that all things
would be good for me.

And we were still
pretty much at swords
with each other,

except for one thing,

and that thing
was that I had started

going over to their office
and going inside.

And it always seemed
so peaceful inside.

I mean, it always
seemed like they
were always so happy

and they were
just... friendly.

And Norma began
to trust us.

She began to like
coming over to this office

and we really began
to enjoy having her here.

And she became
fast friends

with two of the young girls
that are always here,

Emily and... Chelsea.

If... if you could just
meet Emily, you would...

You would know what i'm
saying. She has this...

This gentle character
about her.

And she's very smart.

She reads about
100 books a year.

She loves her parents.

She... she
loves Jesus Christ

and she loves god.

She has that purity
of soul that...

That makes it all
worth living.

She... I don't
know, she...

She's just
a little evangelist.

What can I say?

This is the business

that our
lord Jesus Christ
is in.

He is a friend
of sinners.

And he saved an
old drunken saloon
keeper like myself

and set him on a rock,
gave me a brand new life,

and now the life I live
is no longer lived for me,

but for him.
And the gifts that I have

aren't made for me
to have a wonderful ministry

and make a lot of money,
but are given to me

that I can pour them out

that others might have a
fire burning in their heart

for the lord Jesus Christ.

And now he's
saved miss Norma.

And miss Norma's
life is now...

She was bought with a price,
she's not her own.

It isn't "my rights,
my body, my choice".

It's not my will,
but "thy will be done".

Connie and I, we're
sitting here one night

and we were
discussing abortion.

Connie, when she worked
at the abortion clinic,

worked in the back
in procedure room.

I'd been there four or
five months before I left

and I was telling
Norma that...

That I was assisting
the doctor and that
they were real babies.

I said I could even
tell the sex.

I said, one of them
fell in my hand

and, I said,
and it scared me.

It scared me because
I didn't want to touch it

because I didn't want to feel
that for the rest of my life.

I thought, well, you know,
I've never gone

and I've never looked
in the freezer, you know.

That's where they
kept all the babies
that they aborted.

Um...

So I went
and got the key

and I unlocked it

and... they
were babies, man.

They were little
human babies...

That had been mutilated.

And it hurt me.
It hurt my heart

to think that...

I was the one
that was responsible

for all the dead babies.

They said that in order
for me to find god

or to accept Jesus Christ
into my heart,

that I would have to go
through another process

of changing my opinion
on abortion.

And I looked
at both of them

and I told them that
that had already happened.

There's really never
a day that goes by

that we don't think
of how we can overturn
roe versus Wade.

I just believe

that what began
here in Dallas

and became roe vs. Wade
ultimately

in Washington, D.C.,
on January 22nd,

is now being summarily
dismantled

as we're watching
person after person
meeting the lord.

As we're watching
mother after mother

choosing life
rather than death

for their little
baby boys and girls.

And all of this is due

to the power of the gospel
of Jesus Christ.

And we believe
that the best news of all

is that finally
america is turning
back to almighty god.

And we're stopping
hewing out the
broken cisterns

and the welfare systems

that really aren't
going to bring any
healing to this land.

Ladies and gentlemen,
Norma mccorvey.

I'm very honored
to be here with
Mr. Buchanan

and his wife and Jane,
and just everyone here.

I mean, i'm...
I'm very star struck.

Um...

I'm down here in
California, in San Diego,

with operation rescue
national, that's where
I'm a missionary.

And I'm a servant
of Christ now.

I think that the
pro-choice community

is often reluctant
to admit it,

but the fact
is that the...

The violence has
been effective

in exactly the way it was
intended to be effective.

Many abortion providers
and their staff

have dropped out of business
because of the threats,

the intimidation,
the harassment,

the ongoing threat
to their lives

and the lives of their
families and their staff.

Many doctors have
dropped the provision
of abortion services

as part of their practice,

or dropped out
of the practice of
medicine altogether

because of the murder
of their colleagues.

What happened last year

was one of
these really radical,

I assume, Christian
right groups got...

Bought a mailing list

from the American
medical association

under the guise of
being some other kind
of group, I assume.

And they had the names
and addresses

of every single medical
student in this country,

and they sent out
a mailing.

And it was a really
amazing...

I wish I had it. I...

It was a whole,
like, cartoon booklet

and it had
all these cartoons,

anti-choice and
anti-abortionist cartoons

and jokes that were
really unbelievable.

I mean like,
just a lot of...

Talking about
killing people

and really just vile,
really racist...

The worst one
was the one,

"if you were in
a room with...

With Hitler..."

I can't remember
who the other
person was.

Like, some other
person like Hitler
and an abortionist,

"and you had a gun
with only two bullets,
what would you do?"

And the answer
was, "shoot the
abortionist twice."

And this was being
sent to medical
students.

There's a... a
very big problem

with access to abortion.

There aren't a lot
of people who do
abortions anymore

and the... the
numbers are dwindling,

and one of the big
reasons is because
people aren't trained.

Abortions are at their
lowest level as they
have been since 1976.

There are 527 fewer
abortion mills today
than there were in 1987.

Only 11% of the medical
training facilities

are teaching
the abortion procedure.

That's down
from 56% in 1986.

There are fewer
abortionists

doing and practicing
this grisly trade.

And there are
no young doctors

that want to put their
whole medical career
on hold for abortion.

It doesn't matter
if we've won the right
to legal abortion.

If there is no
physician that will
provide an abortion,

women will be back
where we were in the '50s

where the number of
deaths from illegally
induced abortions

was the highest
death rate.

It was the cause
of the most deaths

of women in their
reproductive age... ages.

From the ages
of 15 to 45.

That is what
women died of

more frequently
than heart attacks
or smoking

or car accidents
or domestic violence,

that was the predominant
cause of death.

There is nothing more
dangerous to a democracy

than when people
take their rights,
their liberties,

their freedom
of religion,

their freedom of speech,
their right to choose,

whatever fundamental
right it is,

they take it for granted.

And that they do
not participate

in the democracy in
preserving those liberties.

Because there will
always be forces at work

to try to take those
liberties away.

And right now there is a
strong ultra-conservative,

religious, fundamentalist
movement in this country

led by groups,
like pat robertson...

His group,
Christian coalition,

that are dis...
Just determined

to return women to their
biblically ordained role,

as they see it, which is to,
by and large, procreate.

And not to be equal partners
with men in the society,

but be under
the control of men.

We must spend our time
educating the grassroots,

inspiring them to
involve themselves.

♪ Where you been so long?

♪ Singing the good song

♪ he bought a Van
with all he had ♪

♪ and set about
to spread the word ♪

♪ when just the mention
of prevention ♪

♪ was illegal to be heard

For more years than
I care to remember

I became involved
in the struggle for
reproductive freedom.

And that dates back
to 1963.

I was clinical
director for a drug
company called emco,

which makes
birth control products.

And while at a hospital
in New York City,

I heard a woman scream.

And, like anybody
else, I ran into
the hospital corridor

to see what was going on.

And I saw a woman
covered with blood
from the waist down

and she was staggering.

And obviously
I raced to help her,

and as I caught her...
She slumped to the ground...

I noticed she had
an 8-inch piece of
wire coat hanger

embedded in her uterus.
And that woman died.

And it so angered me
that we lived in a nation

that not only did
this poor woman not have
the right to an abortion,

but many of you viewers
have no idea

that she didn't
even have the right
to birth control.

In 1963, in most parts
of the United States,

birth control
was a crime.

And this was the
board that showed

various birth control
and abortion devices.

When abortions
were illegal,

a woman would take
a douching bag

and fill it with lysol
or bleach or turpentine.

Or, indeed, they
would use a catheter

and fill it
with salt water,

thinking that a hypertonic
solution might abort them.

And they didn't realize that

if they would squeeze
from the top of this syringe,

it would force air
into a major blood vessel

and the person would die
of an air embolism.

Or when they took the
douching bag and they
filled it with soap,

they didn't realize
that the body could absorb
the fat from the soap,

and that would be
a fat embolism.

But more often than not,

that people would
very often take a piece
of wire coat hanger,

wrap the end of it
with adhesive tape so
it wasn't so sharp,

and the idea was to gently
push it inside the uterus

and scratch the wall
of the uterus.

The goal was not
to do the abortion,

as much of the
public thought.

That wasn't the goal
of poor people.

Their goal was
to induce bleeding.

And then if they bled,
they could rush to a hospital

and the hospital
would say, quote,

"to save the
patient's life...
She came in bleeding...

She had to have
the abortion done."

But here's the kicker.

A lot of poor people
didn't know the uterus
is the size of my fist

and maybe half
an inch thick.

So if they pushed the
wire coat hanger too hard,

pushed it through
the wall of the uterus,

the woman would
hemorrhage to death.

Now, this is a rather
controversial picture,

but it's an
accurate picture.

It's a picture of
a woman who died,
found in a motel room,

who used a coat hanger
or primitive techniques

to, in effect,
what she thought,
was to have an abortion.

♪ Blessed with child

♪ just a girl

♪ god has given me

♪ another chance
at poverty ♪

♪ can't feed
the one I've got ♪

♪ she's feverish
and coughs a lot ♪

♪ god, take it back

♪ please, god,
take it back ♪

♪ girl with a baby

♪ under a tree

♪ watch when the knife
cuts me ♪

♪ girl with a baby

♪ under a tree

How many babies are there
now that are unloved?

That are not taken care of?

And... and we do
have abortion right
now, you know.

And there are still...

I mean, who's going to take
care of those children?

All these people who
are so against abortion,

if they want to take
all those babies

and bring them up and...
And love them and...

You know, that would
be wonderful.

Absolutely.
I mean, in a
perfect world,

that would be
the most beautiful thing.

But, as it is,
it's not going to happen.

I mean, these fundamentalists
are the same people

a lot of times
who are bigots,

who would never have
a black child in their home.

Right.
You know, it's like,

"why aren't they
adopting all the kids
out of the orphanages?"

It's just terrible.

Well...
These pregnant women...

I mean, I see homeless
pregnant women on
the street, you know.

Go pick one up,
take her home,
take care of her.

Deliver the baby,
kick her out. Fine.

Uh... what's his name?

Clinton?
Bill Clinton?

Uh... he...

He says that she
should have sex

and that she should
have a condom.

Who are these responsible
people in our government

telling this little child

that that's the way she
should go through life?

They're laying a horrible trip
on this little girl.

She's already born.

The unborn children
don't even stand a chance.

They kill them.

Where... where
has the mentality...

They've been seduced
by Satan into this mentality

of killing our children,
first of all,

then killing our old people,

and then telling young
sparkling here

of how she's supposed
to go through life choosing,

having a viable lifestyle.

In the 6th grade in
California they... they...

They have "lift up your
dress" week where...

And a young child
is supposed to choose
between homosexuality

and... and heterosexuality
in the 6th grade.

What chance does
this little girl have?

We know that

one in ten of
our children

will become pregnant
every year.

One out of ten.

We know that more
than four out of ten
of our white women

will have a pregnancy
before the age of 20;

6.7 out of 10
of our black women

will have a pregnancy
before the age of 20.

And yet, we in america
have still not accepted

the fact that our children
are sexually active.

We Bury our heads
in the sand.

It's not right.

That's what Clinton
is doing to us in
our living rooms.

That's what
hilary Clinton,
with her...

Her dress up to her hips,
is coming in there

telling our little
children what they
must and must not do.

And... and who is
this new woman coming
in here, elders,

who tell... we've already
told our children

what to do in
the front seat of a car,

how to drive a car
in driver's ed,

and now we've got to
tell them how to do it
in the back seat.

You wonder why we
Christian fathers get angry?

You wonder why
we get upset?

Because you're talking
to little girls

like sparkling,
that's why.

We've got to make sure

that we keep abortions
safe and legal for women.

I was... I was
in medical school
and residency

during the time
when I saw many, many
septic abortions.

And it was one
of the most common
causes of death

in black women.

So we vowed to never,
never go back to that state.

Fr. Westlin:
That's what's
happening right now.

It's a secular
humanist society.

We christians are
no longer the majority
in this country.

We're the
minority now.

President Clinton
has to be impeached.

He has to be
taken out of this
governmental position

and put back some
place where he can't
harm people anymore.

So he won't kill
any more of our babies.

And the catholic
church is the one
that he's after also.

He knows what
his biggest problem is.

It's the Roman
catholic church.

And we're starting
catholic towns.

We've already
got one going in
north Carolina,

and there's a man
name of Mr. Fred wiesner
up here in Denver

who's going to help
us start another catholic
town up here in Colorado,

right in the middle
of governor...

Governor lamb's
sex jungle right up
here in the mountains,

in his sex...
Sex ranches.

We're coming right
into the middle of
Satan's territory

up here in Colorado
and we're going to...

We're going to form
a catholic town here

that's going to
raise our children

according to the
Roman catholic doctrine.

We know that
these children

that are born into
these situations

are born to be members
of the 5-h club.

The 5-h club are
children that are
hungry every night

in the richest country
in the world.

We have 3 to 5 million
children that go
to bed hungry.

Too many of them
are health-less.

They receive
no health care.

When our country today
more than 40%...

In fact, only 44% of
the under-two-year-olds

are completely immunized.

So we say, "if we can't
immunize our children,

what can we do?"

These are the children
that we love so dearly,

as long as they're
in somebody else's uterus.

There ought to be...
There isn't always...

There ought to be a
consistency of people
who are pro-life.

There was a man named
cardinal Joseph bernardin
of Chicago.

He's now dead.

He came up with a phrase
that I always liked.

It was called
the "seamless garment".

If you're pro-life,
he said,

you ought to be against
capital punishment,

you ought to be
against war,

you... obviously
you ought to be
against stocking up

and manufacturing
weapons of war,

and you ought to be against
the kind of politics

and the kind of
administration

that creates
and sustains and
increases poverty.

'Cause the people
who are poor,

their lives are
severely diminished.

I like that theory.

Not all pro-lifers
agree with that.

Well, I think the point
is that if...

If what we're talking about
is whether abortion

is legal or not,
is legally available,

then it's certainly
the poor women who are harmed

by the fact that
abortion is not
legally available.

Because the wealthy
women can generally
get an abortion

whether it's legally
available or not.

There will be someone
who is properly
medically qualified

who can do it.

And if not, of course,
they can travel.

It's a global world,
they can go somewhere else.

I'm saying I don't think
that the deaths of the fetuses

should be regarded
as comparable

to the deaths of
older human beings.

Um, but the great
tragedy is the tens
of thousands of women

who die from
botched abortions

in countries where
abortion is... is illegal.

For example,
it is reasonably well...

In fact,
very well established,

that as women have
more opportunities,
more education,

as better medical care
is available,

as more family planning
is available,

fertility rates go down,
abortion goes down...

Children are better
cared for and women
are healthier.

Those things are known.

And those are all
things that are...

That are easily under
social control and are...

Should not be
controversial.

I don't think there
should be anything
controversial

about making sure
that women can have access

to decent,
say, obstetric care.

That alone would save
hundreds of thousands
of lives every year.

If you want to do things
that'll help people,

there are very
easy ways to do it.

And it's not just
true of women, it's
also true of children.

Unicef also reports that,
if my memory is correct,

that about 15 million
children die
every year from...

Mostly from easily
treatable diseases.

Meaning, sometimes things
like, you know,

lack of drinkable
water and...

Or dehydration, you know,
and diarrhea.

Things that can
very easily be treated.

And could be treated
for, literally,

pennies a day from
the rich countries.

Well, okay, if we're
serious about saving lives,

saving children's
lives, there are
easy ways to do it.

On the other hand,
if you look at
the same people

who are most militant
about saving the fetus,

are they calling for
increasing foreign aid?

Are they... are they
concerned with the fact
that the United States

has the most
miserable and miserly
foreign aid program

of any developed country
by quite a large margin?

The country's got plenty
of wealth, you know,

the means are easily there,
they're just being used...

The social policy
is being designed

to enrich the wealthy
even further and
let the poor suffer.

Let the children die,
let them starve,

let the mothers die
and so on.

That's an
overwhelming problem.

Once people address...

Among people who are
willing to address
those problems...

People who are willing
to address those problems,

we can at least
take seriously when
they talk about values.

When you can take
people seriously when
they talk about values,

you can listen
to what they say
about other things

like abortion,
which is a hard question.

But, you know, I'm not...

I don't think we
should be interested
in discussing it

with people whose
values are such
that they don't care

about the massive problem
of killing and harming

women and children
that they could
easily deal with

and are doing
nothing about.

In fact, making it worse.

Not doing nothing about it;
Making it worse.

Secondly, we've got
to work on that
congress, my friends.

Now they owe us,
those Republicans do.

We all work for them,
or a lot of us did,

or the pro-life
congressman, in 1994.

And that's why we got
this congress.

So we got to tell them,
"it's payback time, fellas.

Not one dime for
planned parenthood,

not one dime for unfpa,

not one dime for
fetal tissue research."

♪ This land is your land

♪ this land is my land

♪ from California

♪ to the New York island

♪ from the
redwood forest ♪

♪ to the Gulf stream
waters ♪

♪ this land was made
for you and me ♪

♪ Mine eyes have seen
the glory ♪

♪ of the coming
of the lord ♪

♪ he has trampled...

Welcome back, ladies
and gentlemen,

to the worst
nightmare of the
child-killing movement.

Randall Terry live,
in the flesh.

In the news,
a group of "elitists"

in the Evangelical
lutheran church

met to draft a statement
in which they supported

not only homosexuality,
but they said, get this,

that homosexual
marriages could be
supported biblically!

I'm not kidding.
I'm not making this up.

And they said that
teenagers having condoms
distributed to them

was a, quote,
"moral imperative".

I'm not making this up.

In Jackson, Mississippi,
a principal is fired

for allowing
a student to pray.

The horrifying crime.

What the kids should
have done is just
handed out condoms,

then the principal
would be a hero.

Well, firearms can
come into the school,

principal won't get fired.

Planned parenthood
could come into the school

and tell kids
how to use condoms,

they're not going
to get fired.

In fact, some pervert
can come in

and demonstrate
condom usage on a
banana or on a finger

and make boys pull condoms
over the fingers of girls

and that principal's
not going to get the axe.

But when a man stands up
and says to the kids,

"go ahead. Do you
want to open the
day in prayer?"

Boom! He's fired.

That, once again,
friends, shows what
happens to a nation

when that nation turns
its back on god's law.

We'll keep you
posted on that.

You have been listening
to Randall Terry live.

My views are my own,

unless they come
from the Bible,
then they're god's

and they're flawless
and perfect,

and we won't retract
a single word of them.

I want to encourage
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If you just
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where we lovingly
breed intolerance.

Because intolerance
is a beautiful thing.

Always remember that.

My good friends,
the phone number

for the U.S. taxpayers
alliance,

which is the close
cousin of the U.S.
taxpayers party,

is 1-800-2-veto-IRS.
1-800-2-veto-IRS.

The U.S. taxpayers
alliance,

men and women who
are dedicated to
ending the welfare,

socialist, messianic
state of america.

Randall Terry,
Matt truello,

and some other activists
in the movement

have related recently
to the American
taxpayers party,

which is shot through
with militia personnel

and militia sentiment.

And, in fact, he spoke
at the last election time

to the convention
and told the convention

that he had already
started teaching
his infant child

where his trigger
finger was.

That children ought
to be trained
in the use of...

Of weapons and arms
and such.

And there are indications
that back in the 1980s,

that militias
were doing some training

of anti-abortion
personnel with...

In the use of
heavy weapons and also
the use of explosives,

and the building
of bombs and such.

When the anti-abortionists
talk about life

or talk about babies,
you know, that's not really it,

they're just using that
to try to whip up emotion.

Because this question
of woman...

They have said outright
at some of their meetings,

that control of women
is what it's about.

Randall Terry
once talked about...

At a rally that
they were having,

about how men are
under the submission...

Should submit to god

and women should
submit to men.

The taxpayers party
platform, while
being 100% pro-life,

is not strictly limited
to the pro-life arena.

The tax party calls
for the end of the IRS

and the federal
income tax,

the end of health
and human services,

the end of the
welfare state, the
end of land taxes.

It calls for a return
to constitutional money:

Gold and silver.

It calls to a return for
a constitutional mean...

Means of the
federal government
raising its revenue

through tariffs,
not through direct
taxation upon the people.

It calls for the...
The complete freedom

of individual citizens
in this country

to keep and bear arms.

Let those who reject truth,
let the god-haters,

let the child-killers
see and fear.

Because our commitment
is not just

to keep fighting
in this battle,

but to raise up a new
generation of men and women,

especially men,
courageous, god-fearing men,

who will bring the nations
back to moral sanity,

to the laws of justice
and mercy as they are
outlined by god.

♪ Jesus

♪ mighty god

♪ our rock, our fortress,
our defense ♪

♪ your conquering arm
will be our strength ♪

♪ o god of power
and righteousness ♪

♪ every foe will
tremble at your name ♪

♪ every foe will
tremble at your name ♪

♪ every foe will
tremble at your name ♪

And the religious
fundamentalists are concerned,

not just with abortion,
but also with pornography,

with any issue related
to the family.

With alcohol, a... a
lot of personal sins,

what they regard
as personal sins,

and abortion is
just an easy handle
to get at right now.

It really arose
as an issue

after the equal rights
amendment was killed.

And there were
organizations dedicated
to killing it,

and after it died,
they had to find
another cause.

And so they went
to abortion,

which is very easy
because the clinics
are very handy,

they're... they're
convenient to get at
geographically.

We're out here
to make sure that women

have access to the clinic.

It is their legal right.

And in this country,
if something is legal

you ought to be able
to take advantage of it.

You shouldn't have
to fight your way

through
foaming-at-the-mouth zealots,

cultists, if you will,

to have access to safe
and legal medical services.

Christian terrorism,
it's on the rise in america.

It's up to you to stop it.

Help save america
from Christian terrorists.

Christian fundamentalism
really goes back

to the '20s and
the '30s as a revolt

against liberal
trends in mainline
protestant denominations.

Since then it's evolved,

and to mean rather
different things
than it meant then.

Basically referring
principally

to an idea of biblical
literalism.

And that is that
the idea that the
Bible is literally true

and most importantly
that certain peoples'
interpretations

is the true
interpretation.

No, wait a minute!
Wait a minute!

She's got to give
them instructions, on...

On where to go.

We've got to be
ready to do

another door defense
at another clinic.

Get out of the car
with your video cameras
and your rounds.

All right.
Good, let's go.

It's almost like...

It's like war, isn't it?
It is.

No, it is.
It is war.

It just depends upon
where your viewpoint is.

But it's a free country.

Until you shoot Dr. Gunn,

and then it's not
a free country.

One variant in religious
fundamentalism

is a politically-
oriented theology

called Christian
reconstructionism.

The first major and seminal
text of reconstructionism

was called "the institutes
of biblical law".

And it was published
in 1973 by a man
named r.J. Rushdoony.

"The institutes
of biblical law"

is a discussion of
the ten commandments.

It's intended to be
a legal blueprint

for what an ideal biblical
society would look like.

There are a long list
of capital offenses,

some of which
are sexual in nature.

There is adultery
and homosexuality,

as well as abortion,
are all considered
capital offenses.

Others have to do
with religion.

So that blasphemy
and heresy, apostasy,

which means
abandonment of the faith,

propagation of
false doctrines,

these are all
capital offenses too.

So, basically,
anyone who's a
religious dissident,

or if you're not a member
of the correct sect,

is liable to be subject
to capital punishment.

Within that,
there's witchcraft
and astrology.

But it would also mean...
And heresy would mean

that if you're not
the correct kind

of Christian
reconstructionist,

if you're, say,
a baptist,

or certainly,
heaven forbid,

if you're a mormon
or a Jew,

you would be put to death

under rushdoony's
"institutes of biblical law".

These people are not
our elected officials!

These people are not
our legislature!

Why are you letting
them dictate

who goes into a
doctor's office?

♪ There is only one body

♪ that is why I sing

This kind of thinking,

that is, the idea that
there's only the christians

and then there's
everyone else,

is an important
ideological piece

of what the Christian
right is about.

What they want is
to be able to kill
children by day

and then come home
to this beautiful estate

and be just a
respectable part of
this neighborhood.

But they're just not
going to be able to
do that any longer.

We're going to let
their neighbors know

what they do for a living

and we're going to really
show the neighborhood

the blood on their hands.

Because they...
They really shouldn't be

a respectable
part of society.

They're... they kill
children for a living.

And that should
come with a stigma.

We want to re-attach
the stigma

to the killing of children
in this country.

The reconstructionists

are a very quiet movement.

They know that they
are revolutionaries,

they know that
the constitution of
the United States

stands as a... an
obstacle to their
political goals,

which is Christian
theocracy

because it contains
the seeds of...

And the roots of
religious freedom.

Christian reconstructionists
don't believe

in religious freedoms
and it's...

It is necessary,
in their view,

to destabilize
constitutional democracy

to the point where a
political alternative,

biblical christianity,
as they understand it,

can actually be
implemented.

They don't necessarily
expect to see it
in their lifetime,

but they're prepared
to do organizing
for the long haul

because that's the
core of what their
religious faith is about.

They understand that
they're acting as martyrs

and as guerrilla warriors

in a part of a long-term
theocratic struggle.

In fact, comparison
with Iran

is not outlandish,
by any means.

The... there
has always been,

for whatever reason,

a high level of
religious extremism
in the United States,

and religious passion
and fundamentalist belief

and intolerance and so on,
on religious issues.

And now it is unusual.

There are several
active violent
revolutionary movements

in the United States,
and they're converging.

Many of them are
stockpiling weapons,

others are going out and
committing assassinations

and bombings to accomplish
their strategic objectives.

And they understand
that they are in
the early stages

of a hoped-for civil war.

I parked up
the hill behind me,

about near
the telephone pole,

and turned around
in my truck

and was reaching for
my backpack to get it

and get out of
the truck when the
bomb exploded and...

Over at the clinic.

And the cloud, a
black cloud, came flying
across the street.

I came outside
the building

and saw the two bodies
of two victims.

The nurse was down
on the ground.

There was a lot of blood.

I remember the...

One of the men
that was with the nurse.

She was...

He was screaming
for a tube.

He said, "does
anybody have a tube?"

To help him keep the
nurse alive, I guess.

Well, pretty much the
only thing I can tell
you about that day

is that I got up
and I went to work.

And two weeks later,
I woke up.

Yeah, there's a few
missing body parts
here and there.

My eye is gone,
left eye is gone.

My right leg will
never walk the same,

but I'll get around.

Nothing's happened
to my mind or my voice.

31-year-old
Eric Robert Rudolph

is the suspect
in the bombing

of an abortion clinic
in Atlanta one month ago.

He is also suspected
of the Atlanta
Olympics bombing

in July, 1996.

The FBI also link him
to the bombings

of two abortion
clinics in 1997

and the bombing of
a gay nightclub just
one month later.

I've always felt that...
That this could happen.

And this has a lot
to do with, you know,

kind of strange
theology, but...

But it is
religiously-based,

with people making
assumptions that...

That they have god
on their side

and that god has
directed them to...

To do this
kind of work.

The manhunt for Rudolph

has taken federal agents
all over the eastern U.S.,

from Birmingham
to southwest Florida

where his mother lives,

to north Carolina and
even to Washington, D.C.,

where witnesses
think they saw Rudolph

a few days before the
bombing at anti-abortion
demonstrations.

Rudolph comes out of the
Christian identity movement,

which is the
religious underpinning

of the Neo-Nazi and
white supremacist movement

in the United States.

Richard Butler, the head of
the Aryan nations in Idaho,

for example, is a
Christian identity minister.

And... as are
many other leaders

of the white
supremacist movement.

Eric Rudolph and his
family were followers

of a series of
Christian identity preachers.

Eric Rudolph is the
person who is accused
of doing this

and I believe in
innocent until
proven guilty,

so he is a suspect,
meaning that there
is good evidence

to suspect
that he did it.

But, during
all of this,

Eric Rudolph's
brother tried

to make some kind
of statement.

He went out to his,
I guess, his tool
shed or garage,

and set up a video
camera; Said,

"this is for the
FBI and the media."

He took a radial
arm saw and cut
his own hand off,

cut his left
hand off.

He had a
tourniquet wrapped
around his arm,

he drove himself
to the hospital

with just
the tourniquet
around his arm,

leaving the hand
back at his house.

The paramedics
later went back,

retrieved his hand
and it was reattached.

Of course, no telling
how well it will work.

And you just
go, "why?"

Apparently,
there are people

who think that
some kind of
act of violence

is going to
solve something.

Bombing the clinic
did not stop it.

Bombing another clinic
will not stop them.

Cutting your hand off
certainly didn't
change anything

other than he lost
the use of his hand.

So, that type
of mentality

I don't even know
how to relate to.

How do you understand
someone who,

for no obvious
reason,

just decides
to dismember
themselves?

How do you...
How do you talk to
someone like that?

How do you understand
what they're thinking?

I... I don't know.

Here's a man who is
a guerrilla warrior,

who comes into a situation

and attacks what he views
as strategic targets.

In the case of abortion
clinics and the gay bar,

you have symbols of women's
reproductive rights

and women's equality

and taking control
of their own destiny.

In the case of the gay bar,
a social institution

that's supportive
of something that
Rudolph's religion

would consider an
abomination before god.

And in the case of
the Olympics, the...

The classic case of
race mixing and an...

An institution of
what they consider to be

the new world order

and the internationalism
that it represents.

So to undermine the Olympics
is a strategic goal

of white supremacist
movements.

Without ever
identifying themselves,

we keep finding them
every place you look,

whether it's the governor
of our state who...

Who holds to
that kind of theology

but who could never put
a label to it, I'm sure,

or whether you're
talking about people

who are running
for office,

or you're talking about
Christian coalition,

promise keepers
or whatever.

But the impetus
behind everything

from covenant marriages
to restrictions
on abortion

have to do with trying
to bring the United States

in line with a
particular kind of a...

A particular set
of assumptions

about what the
Hebrew testament says

about how lives
should be lived.

There's nothing that...

That would lead me
to believe

that over the last ten years
this has declined.

I mean, it slowly
has increased in...

In many different ways.

Not only in
terms of volume.

They can bomb all
the clinics they want to,

they can kill all
the people they want to,

but women are still
going to get abortions.

And... and if...
And if the...

The clinics don't...
Don't stay open,

then they're going
to be getting them

in some other...
Some other way.
So it was...

You can't let them win
by shutting down.

You just have
to keep going.

Once you have opened
your heart,

once you have admitted
Christ into your heart,

then the principle of
the law dwells within you.

And you are
no longer subject

to that external
shackle of the law

because the law flowers
and blooms within you.

And it shapes your
judgment and it
moves your limbs.

And you no longer
have to be bound by
external shackles

because you are bound
to the will of god
by the love of god

through the truth of
Christ's salvation.

That's the understanding
of freedom

that is at the root
of our Christian faith.

But don't you see?

That notion of freedom as
an in-dwelling principle

which then leads to the
consequence that because...

Because your respect
for the law dwells within,

you can live in a society

in which you are
a law unto yourself.

Well, thank you
for coming.

This is the
Mary westlin home.

This is my wife, Mary Lou,
up over here in the...

In the portrait.

She is the one that
runs everything here.

She's in heaven now.

The lord took her
in 1980 and
we've asked Jesus

to give her
special authority
to run this place.

And since that
time, we've had 180
mothers live here

and 83 babies born
directly through the home.

The rest of us
are lambs of Christ

and there's 500 or 600
of us around the country.

And whenever they can,
they can get a break
from their families,

they come down and they
join us and we go on in

and we put our bodies
between the baby-killer

and the baby in front
of the killing center.

We don't really rescue,
we gather as lambs.

Normally, the protest
people that we run into

are four categories
of people.

The Satan worshippers,

and they actively
worship Satan

and they take the baby
out of the womb

by the hind leg
and they'll hang
it up in front...

Hang... hang the baby
up in front of us
pro-lifers who are there,

and then they'll
barbecue this baby

right in front of us
on a barbecue pit.

It's macabre,
it's satanic.

The others there
are homosexuals

and those who are paid
by the baby-killer
to be around him.

And those people...
Who are pro-death.

Those are the categories
of people in front
of the death center.

I ask you and I invite you
and I challenge you

to go in and study
those people

who are at those
killing centers
on the other side.

Study them.
Find out who they are.

Don't believe us.

Go in and find out
for yourself.

It's a... it's a
macabre, depressing
satanic atmosphere

where they've been
seduced by Satan.

They're probably
very beautiful people.

And we pray for the
baby-killer every day.

We want him in heaven.

But we want him
there soon.

So we pray for
his happy death.

Scott, he's the
father of the baby,

but we're...
We're very good friends.

We had been more
than friends at one time,

but not anymore.

We broke up about,
oh, close to two months ago.

And the relation...
The relationship

was just not working out
and we broke it off,

and I moved away
for a while and
decided to move back

and not run away from him
and my feelings.

And I came back and he came
visiting once in a while

and we ended up
having unprotected sex.

And here I am.

Many people,
um, are surprised

when we bring forward
the notion

or bring forward
the reality

that the Roman
catholic church has
never had a position

on when the fetus
becomes a person.

Ultimately, the reality
is none of us know.

The church doesn't know.

The courts don't know.

Doctors don't know.

No one knows.

And the question
in the 20th century,

both in a religious
context

and I would say
in a secular context,

is what do we do
in situations?

What is the moral
and ethical thing
to do as a society

in situations where
there are facts
that we do not know?

The abortion area is a
flashpoint, I think, for...

For ethics for
the human condition.

It's... it involves
the most natural
thing in the world,

pregnancy,
and yet it also involves

the most mind-bending
set of facts,

ordinarily, one
human being living
inside another.

From the standpoint
of pro-life individuals,

human life begins
at conception.

One cannot be
morally complicit

in the taking
of another life,

especially the taking
of an innocent life,

and that that moral belief
for people of faith

is backed up
by geneticists.

And I don't think there's
a geneticist in the world

who would deny the
completeness of human life,

in terms of all of
its physical ingredients,

again, in the first
fertilized cell.

And the other side,
quite frankly, doesn't
really deny...

Can't deny the existence,
the physical reality

of the separate
human life.

What they deny is...

Its cultural significance
and its meaning

with respect to the
woman who's carrying
the pregnant...

Carrying the child.

And, again, it becomes
this clash of absolutes

between, on the
one hand, this claim
of absolute autonomy

and a claim that
human life absolutely
must be protected.

The claim of absolute
autonomy is very
self-directed.

The claim of
human life being
absolutely protected

is one that has
great historical lineage.

It is, after all,
a vindication of
a self-evident truth

that right is...
That life is an
inalienable right.

How to get these people
to talk to each other?

Ultimately,
of course, the...

The whole decision
is based on questions

about what you think
makes killing wrong.

And I think that's
one reason why...

The philosophical
discussion with the...

With the general public
has not got very far,

because people
haven't really
confronted that issue.

They've tried to
say, "well, the fetus
is a human being,"

or, "the fetus is not
a human being,"

just accepting
the premise that...

That, you know,
killing innocent human
beings is always wrong.

I think if they'd
gone a little bit
further and said,

"well, you know,
yes, I mean, in one sense

the fetus obviously
is a human being.

It's a member of the
species homo sapiens
and it's alive."

But what are
the characteristics

that make it
particularly wrong
to kill a human being?

Why do we think that
killing a human being
is normally wrong?

And I think if you start
asking those questions,

you get to see
that it's not just
being a member

of the species
homo sapiens that
makes killing wrong.

It's, rather,
the fact that, you know,

us, you and me, and
anyone else listening here,

is a being that is...

Has got certain
capacities.

Can think, can want
to go on living,

you know, can... is...
Is aware of the fact

that he or she is living
and wants to go on living.

And all of those
things contribute

to why we think that
for someone, say,

just randomly to shoot
people in the street
is a terrible thing.

But none of that applies
to the fetus.

The fetus is...

Well, when most
abortions are performed

the fetus is not
even conscious

and it's certainly never
a being who can think,

"I want to go on living."

If it doesn't
matter to a being
what's done to it,

then it's hard to see
that it has

exactly the same moral
standing as you or I do.

Gametes also are human
in that sense,

sperm and ova,
and yet we don't think

that they have the
same moral status
as you and I do.

Every time a man
and a woman refrain
from having sex

that means a
potential sperm dies

and a potential egg dies.

We're not going to,
however, require couples

to have sex at
every possible moment.

There are some
religious traditions

that do require that.

The extremely
orthodox Jew

says you must multiply

and have as many children
as you possibly can.

And every missed
opportunity to have sex

during a period of time
when the woman is fertile

is, in effect, a
violation of the order

to multiply and
be fruitful.

I don't think most people
take that argument

very seriously today
in our society.

And once one begins
to draw lines,

the line between
refusing to have sex,

having sex with a condom,

taking the pill the morning
after you've had sex,

taking the pill
three weeks later,

having an abortion
a month later,

begins to be a very,
very difficult point

at which to draw absolute
black and white lines.

I think one way to...

At least that I find
helpful to think about this,

is to try to,
again, move away

from a very strict
rights language,

which often leads
to a "right or wrong",

"yes or no" approach
to these issues.

And instead to
try to make sense

of the interests, the...
The needs, the...

The context of...
Of the pregnant woman

and of the fetus.

Pro-lifers think
that abortion is wrong

because it's
intrinsically wrong to
destroy a human life.

And dworkin thinks that
people who are pro-choice

also think that it's
intrinsically wrong

to destroy human life.

But they think that it's
important to allow women

to make this choice
for themselves
because there...

It's important...
Her human life also
has intrinsic value.

And to be forced to
carry a pregnancy to term

when she doesn't want to
or isn't yet ready

to become a mother is
also a... a way of...

Of not respecting
the intrinsic value
of human life.

Can I help you? Do you
have an appointment?

Yes, I do.

Hi.
Hi.

And your name?
Stacey saunder.

Hi, Stacey.

Just a few forms
here for you.

The first two are
informational forms

and then a couple
of forms you'll need
to fill out for us,

and then you
can bring them
right up to me

as soon as you're
finished, okay?

Okay.
Alrighty.

Thanks.
Thanks.

There's the
cups behind the
curtain here.

Just a small amount.
You can bring it
back to the lab

and then I need
to get a small
blood sample.

Okay.

Everyone in the debate

is opposed to
outright infanticide.

That is, taking
a live child and
deciding to kill them

because it's
too much trouble to
take care of them.

Everyone agrees on that.

Everyone agrees,
I suppose,

that women are allowed
to wash their hands,

although, I suppose...
I guess you could
make a case,

if you went over to
the biology department,

that when a woman
washes her hands,

lots of cells flake off
and some future technology

might be able to
use the information
in those cells

to construct a
potential child.

So somewhere between,
say, washing your hands

and killing
your three-year-old,

somewhere between
that there are
decision to be...

There are decisions
to be made

about how we're going to
balance what we call life,

which, in fact,
is there in the
cells on your hand,

how we're going to balance
what we call life

against lots of
other problems.

And those decisions
are not simple.

People who say,
"well, I know it's at
this number of days,"

they can't be
taken seriously.

We're talking
about ambiguous issues

of a complicated kind

where you have to balance
conflicting interests
and concerns,

as is generally the case
in human life.

You're not going
to get the answers
from holy texts.

You're not going
to get the answers
from biologists.

These are matters
of human concern

that have to be discussed
seriously, reasonably,

with attention
to the array of values,

differing values, often,
that people have

and different decisions
they may come to

under similar
circumstances.

You are prophetic people

and I just want
to affirm you tonight.

And I want
to affirm you to say

you are the prophetic
people of god.

God's word is supreme.

His word is the standard.

Psalm 119:89. God's
word is established forever.

Yes!

My focus is on his
word. Not polls,
not opinion polls,

not focus groups,
but his word!

Yes!

His unchanging word.

My vision must be
locked on his word

like Michael Johnson's
eyes were locked on
the finish line.

I am moved not by what
culture says about me,

not what the media
says about me,

not even what the church
says about me,

but what the word of god
has to say about me.

I am fixed on the word!

For those who say,
"god told me

that you can't
have an abortion,"
I ignore that.

I mean, that kind of
fundamentalist approach

to god telling you
what the answer to
every problem is,

I don't think,
in a secular society,

deserves to be
given much weight.

Religion also gives
you a set of values

with which to analyze
a problem intelligently.

And I think that
many of the values we
have in our society,

values favoring life,
values favoring choice,

originally come
from religion.

Much of all morality
is religiously-based.

But religion is so broad

that it can provide
any answer you want.

The Bible,
like any complex
historical text,

presents a god
who can be called upon

to justify mass genocide

and who can be called upon
to justify mercy

to widows and orphans.

Same god. Depends
what you want to...

What parts of the text
you want to interpret.

The conception of god
is obviously relevant

for those
who believe in god.

And for many of them,

their views will
flow from that.

But it doesn't
determine their views
because, of course,

you can have
fundamentalist christians
who will believe that...

Believe in god and think
that, for that reason,

abortion is wrong,
embryo experimentation
is wrong,

euthanasia is wrong
and so on.

And you can have other,
more liberal christians,

who will believe in god,

but who will think
that all of those things
can be justified.

So... the question of god

doesn't determine the
answers to these issues.

In the end, human
beings have to decide.

In the end, each
of us has to decide,

using whatever resources
we have available to us:

Religion, our mind,

our sense of what is right
and wrong in society,

this is a choice that
cannot be made by others.

Stacey, I'm Stephanie,

and we're going
to do your medical
history now, okay?

Okay. And this is just
question and
answer. Alrighty?

So when is your
birth date?
7/7/68.

7/7/68.
And how old does
that make you?

28.
28? Okay.

And what's
your occupation?

I'm a nursing
assistant.
Okay.

And how many total
times have you been
pregnant, altogether?

Um... five.
Okay. Five.

And any living
children?

One.
One living child.

And was that child
born premature?

No.
No.

Born full term?
Yeah.
Okay. Good.

Are you currently
or have you been
in treatment

for either depression
or psychiatric problems?

I've been on
medication in
the past for it.

Okay. Are you on
medication now?

No.
Okay.

What years were
you on med...
And, actually,

what were you on
medication for,

psychiatric problems
or depression?

Depression.
Okay.

When was that?
How long ago?

This year.
This year. Okay.

Alrighty.
Now going
back to the...

To the surgery
that you had for
physical abuse,

that broke your
jaw, in 1992...

How... how did
that happen?

Um... one quick punch.

And this was
from... who
punched you?

An ex-boyfriend.
The father of my...

The baby that
I delivered.

Okay. And when
that happened,
did you know...

Did it knock
you out? Did
you know you...

Your jaw
was broken?

No. I had no idea.

What happened?

We were living
in the cities here

and I had no
family around,

and I didn't know
it was broke

and he wouldn't let me
go to the doctor.

It was just kind of swollen
and I just let it go.

And then... then
in '88 he was killed

in a motorcycle
accident and I moved
back to my family.

And my mom wanted me
to see a physician

'cause it was so crooked.

Mm-hmm.

So I did that.
And he re-broke it and...

The surgeon?
Yeah.

Re-broke it?

And put everything
back together.

Okay.

And how was it
for you that...

That the trauma of
the abuse happened
and then...

Were you in touch
with this man
when he was...

You know, before
he was killed?

I was actually going to
go back to him the...

The day before he was...
Or the day...

The morning
he was killed,

I was supposed to take
a bus that evening

to be back by
Monday morning and...

Then he had been killed
that morning.

Wow.
So...

That's pretty
traumatic.

Yeah. It wasn't
a good thing.

How are you
with... that's...

That's so much
to go through.

How are you
with it now?

What is this, three,
four years later?

I'm dealing with it.

I still go to
counseling once in
awhile when I feel...

Good.
Feel the need.

Good. Okay,
well, if...

If we can help you
in any way with
that, let us know.

Okay.
Okay?

'Cause we're always
here to talk to you
about it. Alrighty?

And you may or may
not want to answer
this question.

Was... was the
abuse and the...

And the death
of this man,

did that have
anything to do
with the decision

to have the
baby adopted?

Yes.
Okay.

Very much so.

He was not a...
A fit father

for no child,
by any means.

Okay. I hear what
you're saying.

Is there anything
else that...

Could I get a tissue?

Sure.

Is there anything
else that...

That you feel
like is really,
really important

that you
would like...

Any words that you
might want to...

'Cause that's an
awful lot to have
gone through.

Don't stick around
after they hit you once.

Yeah. Yeah.

I would say "hear,
hear" to that too.

Okay.

Sometimes stuff
like that can
be difficult

when you're here
for this procedure.

So let us
know and...

And we will
certainly, you
know, be supportive

and help you in
any way that we can.

Okay.
Okay?

Thank you.

We had these wonderful
testimonials here today

that we held hearings
on the second victim

in an abortion,
which is the woman.

Often and again
and again and again,
almost always,

abandoned, deserted,
denigrated, called names,

pressured, driven
into these clinics,

and as a consequence
there's not only
physical damage,

but there's enormous
emotional and
psychological scarring.

They come out with
terrible depressions,

suicidal tendencies.

Let's hold hearings.

If we show what
the oil industry does

up there in
prince William sound,

let's show what
the abortion industry

is doing to
the women of america.

Most people
in the Democratic party

don't feel that Republicans
want it to end.

They feel it's their...

Like social security
is for democrats,

abortion is for Republicans.

It's the type of legislation

that helps them elect
candidates.

Why would they want it
to go away?

You know, and that
creates a situation.

Democrats fight vigorously
for social security

'cause it's their hammer
in the elections.

Republicans...
If you're a republican,

it's just accepted
that you run for office

based on the fact
that you're pro-life.

And if it goes away,

what have they got
for their old reliable?

So this is a
picture of what your
cervix looks like.

And you've given birth
before, right?

Mm-hmm.
So that means

just that your cervix
has a little slit

instead a round
hole there.

But this is just the
bottom ring of muscle
of your uterus, okay?

And what
we need to do then,

there's three steps
to the abortion procedure

and the whole thing will
take about five minutes, okay?

The first step is
that you get a
little novocain

on your cervix to numb it.

Just like when you
get novocain

in your gums
at the dentist.

You've done that before?

Oh yeah.
Yeah.

Nobody likes that either.

It usually takes about
a minute and a half

to go numb completely,
and what you might feel

is a pinch or a prick
and some stinging
from the novocain.

But people usually say
it goes away pretty quick.

Okay.
Okay?

And so we take
this thing...

This is called
a cannula.

And this is about
an eight-week cannula.

So the one
we may be using for you

might be a little
bit smaller.

And this is attached
to a long flexible tube

which is attached
to the suction
machine.

And this just goes
inside that cervix,

inside your uterus
and then it just...

The machine turns on...

It makes a humming noise,
so you'll hear it.

And this just gets
moved along the wall
of your uterus

and takes all that
menstrual tissue
that is built up

'cause you haven't had
your period in like,
two months, right?

And, also, the pregnancy
comes with that.

Now, the size your pregnancy
is, it's real small,

so it'll just kind
of come along with
everything else, okay?

Stacey, a couple
of questions

just about your
decision today,
if that's okay?

Are you feeling
definite of your

decision to have
an abortion?

Oh, definitely.
Okay.

And can you tell me
just a little bit

about kind of
what into your
decision-making,

how you made
your decision?

Um... just not a good
time in my life...

Emotionally,
financially, you know.

I just moved into
to an apartment

and I've never lived
on my own in 28 years,
you know, so...

Wow.
It's...

It's quite a change
for me. So...

It's exciting.
Yeah, it's
exciting.

And then scary and,
you know, if I don't...

I don't know if
I can handle it yet,

I surely don't want
to bring a baby
into this world

not knowing, you know.

You're always scared of
the uncertain, I guess.

Okay. And do you
have someone here
with you today?

Yeah.
Okay.

And that's a
support person for you,

someone who supports
your decision?

Mm-hmm.
Okay.

Sometimes it's good
to have somebody

to give you a
little tlc after.

It can be an emotionally
stressful day.

Yeah.
And physically too.

So just make sure he
treats you well and...

Oh, yeah.
Yeah. I know he will.

Have you ever had
any conflicts with
abortion at all?

Have you ever been
anti-abortion at all?

No.
Okay.

And I just asked that
to see if there...

You need any
special attention,
as far as, you know,

having emotional
needs.
Oh.

Do you expect to
regret your decision
at all or...

No.
Okay.

Just... unless I...

I would guess everybody
kind of goes,

you know,
back and forth.

But, no. A regret, no.

Okay. One of
the things

that I sometimes
say to people

is that I feel
like a miscarriage
is what happens

when your body's
not ready to be pregnant

and an abortion is
what happens when your...

The rest of you
isn't ready.

Exactly.

And sometimes that
helps people with
the decision-making.

Yeah.

And the other thing
is that nobody

can decide today
what's right for you.

You're the only one
who knows what's
right for Stacey,

'cause you're
the only one who knows

what Stacey's going
through and what
Stacey's life is like.

So I hope that
you remember that.

Oh, yeah.

You feel like
you're making
the decision

that's in your best
interest today?

Oh, definitely.
Okay.

In Amherst, New York,

Dr. Barnett slepian,
well-known to anti-
abortion protestors,

was shot dead by a sniper
while at home

with his wife and
four children last night.

The killing comes
just days after police

had warned clinic workers
in upstate New York

about a pattern of...

It was an execution-
style killing.

One bullet fired from
a high-powered rifle

smashed through
the kitchen window

of Dr. Barnett slepian's
home...

The authorities

are looking for
a white car with
Canadian license plates

that may have been
involved in the killing.

Dr. Slepian was a provider
of services for women.

G.y.n.,
obstetrician services.

One of the services
he provided was
abortion, among many.

And, because of that,
he was assassinated,

he was executed
in his home by a...

If it was one individual,

it was certainly a member
of an organization

that calls themselves
pro-life, pro-family
and pro-child.

Yet they kill the man
in front of his children

and they ripped apart
a family by violence.

I find that the
ultimate hypocrisy.

It is important

that the right to choose
is never turned back.

Because the painful memories
that women carry,

the scars that they have
to heal themselves from

are scars that men
will never have to bear.

Those assassins
who stand in the shadows

and claim that
they believe in freedom

and human rights and life,

they have no idea of
the trials and tribulations

that women go through
when they are pregnant.

Because if they did,

they would want us to keep
the right to choose.

If they did, they would do
something different.

They would beat down
the doors of the orphanages

and they would go
in there and literally

take every child home
with them.

If they really
and truthfully cared,

instead of standing
outside abortion clinics

and intimidating women,

they would be taking
those women in their arms

and saying,
"come home with me

and let me give you shelter
and time to think."

Because those are the
choices that women need.

Thank you.

It's easy to...
To sit back

in your
comfortable chair
at home and say,

"well, you know, this
person shouldn't have
been doing that,

so, yeah, she got
what she deserved."

And, "he's okay
for doing that

because he was
just doing it...
Killing for god."

Well, I don't
believe god
put it anywhere

to go out and
kill for him.

That's what
makes me angry...
Angriest the most,

is the letters
we've gotten from
people telling me

to burn in the
lake of fire.

And if they'd known
what I'd already
been through

for the past
few weeks,

they'd already know
I'd already been in
that lake of fire.

I'm not about
to go back.

I'm not.

My number was
not up that day.

I'm not ready to...
To burn again.

And I'm not
ready for anybody
else to...

To burn me again.

I think it's a fight.

And it's not just
about abortion.

I think it's...
The issue is of choice.

And... as I said earlier,
the freedom of that choice.

And... and whatever
you decide to do,

it's your choice,
it's legal.

That... people
shouldn't...

Shouldn't be able
to take that from you.

So you need to fight
to keep your ability

to have that choice.

And...

And information...

Informing people.

It may not change
anybody's mind about the...

The issue at hand,

but at least you feel
like you've gone out

and done something to...

To try and
persuade somebody.

To enlighten them,
broaden their horizons,

instead of having such
a... a closed mind.

Before we begin,

I'm going to
listen to your
heart and lungs.

And that's
just routine.

Your chart is
in order, but I
just confirm that.

I'm going to
put this at
approximately

your second
rib there.

And just breathe
quietly.

Very good.

And I'm going
to listen to
your lungs.

Take a deep breath
please, Stacey,

and then exhale.

Excellent.
Yeah, you're
pretty healthy.

And then blow,
blow, blow,

hard, hard.
Oh... oh...

Okay, good.
Oh, god.

Squeeze here.

You're going
to feel those
cramps, remember,

that's your uterus
shrinking back down.

Good. Okay, do
the breathing.

Blow, blow,
blow. Okay?

Hold it. Hold it.
Hold it. Hold it.
Hold it. Hold it.

And then blow, blow,
blow, blow, blow.

- Hold it. Hold it.
- Hold it. Hold it.

Blow, blow, blow.
Blow it out.
Blow it out.

Good.

Okay, we're
almost there.

You're mostly
done. Okay?

Stacey,
it's done.

No complications.

Okay.
An average amount
of bleeding.

Did I squeeze your
hand too hard?

No, I was wondering
about you.

No, no, no,

that's what my
hand is for.

...it will protect
you from disease.
Ow...

This is the speculum
coming out. How's
that, better?

Much.
Okay.

As part of
running a clinic

and being the director
of a clinic,

I participated
in... went into
the procedure room,

into the operating room
with many women.

Held many, many hands.

Felt the tension that
each woman was experiencing

pass from her body
into my body.

Saw the anguish
that many women felt.

I... I never...
You know, I mean...

People talk now about...

People who have no
experience of abortion,

who have no experience
of how women feel,

of what they are
going through...

Talk about this as
something that women
do in a way that...

That is disembodied
from their values.

That women don't think
about their decision.

I never met a woman...

And I met thousands
of women in the '70s

who were having
abortions...

I never met a woman
who did not take
abortion seriously.

I certainly met
a lot of women who
put on brave faces,

who were casual
in the waiting room.

But I can tell you
that when you got into
the procedure room

where the abortion
was going to be performed,

that you could tell
that each and every woman

was taking that decision
seriously.

And each and every woman

was doing the best
that she could do

with a difficult hand
that she had been dealt.

And it was... it
was and is, for me,

humbling to think
about that because...

It does...
It does help you...

It did help me
to learn not to judge

other people's decisions
based upon exteriors.

That... that the
inner life and the
thinking of women is...

Is indeed very,
very profound and
very important.

Um...

I'm all done
and I'm exhausted and...

I'm... agitated and
I need a cigarette very bad.

I can't smoke
in here anyway.

Um...

Just tired,

drained emotionally
and physically and...

Um, had a little cramping.

I don't know.

Lots of thoughts.

Maybe a little
relieved...

And now it's
time to just...

It's just been
a really long day.

I just need to go home
and get on with my life.

I know I made
the right decision,

but it's still not easy.

Much better.

No, it's more in my heart
than in my stomach now.

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