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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,120 I'm Tim Tate. I've been an investigative journalist 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,480 for almost half a century. 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:13,280 And what I specialise in is exploring official archives, 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,880 unearthing dusty old files from government departments, 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,360 spy agencies, the police. 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,840 This strange figure looked very much like an astronaut. 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,960 And what I have found in those collections, 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,120 both in Britain and in the United States, 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,760 is a truly extraordinary collection 10 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,760 of real life X-Files. 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,800 True Cryptids, like the Yeti and the Mongolian death worm, 12 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:41,040 death worm... 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,760 And those files disclose investigations by the police, 14 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,200 by governments, by spy agencies. 15 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:53,840 Shortly after that transmission, Captain Schaffner's radio went dark. 16 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,640 To examine and uncover the truth about phenomena 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,360 which are truly out of this world. 18 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,320 It's a great piece of branding the death ray. 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,080 Everyone knows where they stand with the death ray... 20 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,000 What if everything we have learned from science is wrong? 21 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,000 If our governments had proof of this, 22 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:23,960 do you think they would let us know, 23 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,000 even if our survival as a species depended on it? 24 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,520 In these days of changing climate and rising sea levels, 25 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,040 floods are one of our greatest fears. 26 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,880 But what if the water keeps rising? Are we prepared? 27 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,200 And what would we choose to save? 28 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,600 In the spring of 2025, 29 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,360 a rash of excitable newspaper headlines 30 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,920 splashed an astonishing story 31 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,760 that declassified previously secret 32 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,520 US Government X-Files 33 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,960 revealed that the CIA, the Central Intelligence Agency, 34 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,160 had searched for, 35 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:16,440 identified and located Noah's Ark. 36 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,800 The story of Noah's Ark is told 37 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,280 in the Old Testament book of Genesis. 38 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:30,720 In it, God sends a catastrophic flood to destroy all life on Earth. 39 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:35,560 The only person God warns is Noah, who builds an ark to save his family 40 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,200 and two of every creature on Earth. 41 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,000 In the biblical account, the Ark 42 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,760 lands upon the mountains of Ararat. 43 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:47,080 This is probably a reference 44 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,920 to the ancient kingdom of Urartu, 45 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:55,200 which flourished from around the 9th century BCE 46 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,400 till about the 6th century BCE. 47 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:02,320 So these are mountain tops in the north of Mesopotamia. 48 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,320 So if you're living in Mesopotamia or in the ancient Near East, 49 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,640 these mountains would have been the tallest mountains 50 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,360 that would have been known about. 51 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:14,280 The story of Noah's Ark 52 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,960 has become one of the most popular Bible stories 53 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:18,760 and is often told to children, 54 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:22,520 but it also speaks to our darkest fears. 55 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,080 The Ark story has a great attraction 56 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,520 because it is in many ways the... 57 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,680 I suppose it's the original survival story. 58 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,240 It's the story of how against all odds 59 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:39,480 a catastrophic event happens and one family survives. 60 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,360 Those stories still attract us today. 61 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,720 They tend to reflect deep anxieties about events beyond human control, 62 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,800 whether that is an asteroid hitting the Earth, 63 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,800 whether that is the catastrophic effects of climate change, 64 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,120 whether that's a volcano. 65 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,560 It tells us really about ancient fears, 66 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,560 the possibility that the whole of civilisation 67 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,760 can be lost through a catastrophic flood. 68 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:07,880 And this is a story that belongs very much in Ancient Mesopotamia, 69 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,800 in the area of the world that we now call Iraq, 70 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,200 because that is a part of the world that is very vulnerable to flooding. 71 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,000 Whilst the story of Noah's Ark might serve a cultural 72 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,160 or even psychological function, 73 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,600 is this ancient tale taken seriously by modern scientists? 74 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,000 There are advantages in using folklore 75 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,880 to inform on a more... traditional archaeological approach. 76 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,720 For example, in Britain, 77 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,240 there are lots of stories about ancient sites 78 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,800 like Stonehenge that ascribe them to the work 79 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,920 of giants or the wizard Merlin. 80 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,080 Mythic stories about how these places came to be. 81 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,240 And in some of those locations, there may be a grain of truth. 82 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,600 There may be some elements that are preserved as part of that narrative, 83 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,760 which might be interesting to explore in itself. 84 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:01,880 We can still see Stonehenge 85 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,600 because it has survived down the ages. 86 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,040 But could evidence of a boat made of wood 4,000 years ago 87 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,960 still really exist? 88 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,240 The idea that the Ark might still survive is a very old idea. 89 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,080 It's already mentioned by the early Jewish historian Josephus 90 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:20,440 in the first century AD. 91 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:21,920 It's not something he's seen. 92 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:28,040 He's telling how others have reported that they have seen wood 93 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,600 or that the... the Ark can still be seen 94 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,600 and still preserved on a mountain in Armenia. 95 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,240 According to interpretations of the Bible, 96 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:43,000 the Ark was deposited on a mountainside after the flood. 97 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,000 And according to certain biblical scholars, 98 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,720 there's a particular location in contemporary Turkey 99 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:53,200 called Mount Ararat, which is supposedly the location of the ark. 100 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,080 The area has always been the site of political 101 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,280 and sometimes military conflict, 102 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,640 which makes it difficult for archaeologists to work there. 103 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,760 However, the political upheaval 104 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,360 meant that it was also of interest to the CIA, 105 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,240 and in the '60s and '70s, 106 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:18,000 they were keeping a close eye on the area with U-2 planes and satellites. 107 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,280 There was an interest in the period 108 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,440 in around the 1960s and '70s, 109 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:27,240 about whether satellite imagery or airborne imagery 110 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,880 could be used to locate the site... 111 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,200 the site where the Ark is meant to have landed. 112 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,680 A series of requests within 113 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:40,920 the CIA administrative system 114 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:42,720 asked whether they knew - 115 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,360 the CIA as an organisation knew whether this was Noah's Ark. 116 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,680 And lots of these communiques were entitled "re Noah's Ark," 117 00:06:50,840 --> 00:06:53,000 which presupposes the CIA 118 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,400 had identified this site positively as Noah's Ark. 119 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,600 As far as we know, they've never done that, 120 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,280 but by naming something, you make it so. 121 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,240 Certain individuals were very interested in the fact 122 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:10,160 that the CIA probably had photographic imagery of Mount Ararat 123 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:15,880 and that this might provide evidence for the preservation of Noah's Ark. 124 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,080 But even as recently as the 1960s, 125 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,760 not everyone believed the science. 126 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:26,000 Some saw scientific claims as going against the teachings of the Bible 127 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:27,840 and the Word of God. 128 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,800 One of those was Henry Morris, 129 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,720 who is sometimes known as the father of creationism. 130 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,560 Henry Morris wrote what could be regarded 131 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,120 as the... founding document 132 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,760 for modern creationism, a book called the Genesis Flood, 133 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,640 which he wrote in the 1960s with somebody called John Whitcomb. 134 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,400 and that argues that the geological evidence 135 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,080 for the age of the earth 136 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,080 can actually be understood not as signs 137 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,680 that the earth has existed for millions and billions of years, 138 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,280 but are actually sign of a catastrophic worldwide flood. 139 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,040 And so finding evidence for the Ark 140 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,200 would be also to find evidence 141 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,200 that the world had been created 142 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,440 in six days by God, 143 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,840 and evidence that, in fact, 144 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,760 evolution as we know it was fundamentally mistaken. 145 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,160 CIA denials that they had any photographs 146 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,040 that proved the location of Noah's Ark were met 147 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,720 with claims of a cover-up. 148 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,720 This is a normal pattern in the birth of a conspiracy theory, 149 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,040 but in this case, 150 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,360 there was more than a grain of truth in these claims. 151 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,360 Those photographs had indeed been taken by the U-2 spy plane 152 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,160 and by satellites, and the CIA held them, 153 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,360 but absolutely refused to release them. 154 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,000 It said, "We can't release these. 155 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:56,480 We can't disclose these for national security reasons." 156 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,520 Once the photographs were released, 157 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:01,360 they would surely solve the mystery. 158 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,560 Did they show evidence that Noah's Ark had indeed landed 159 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,760 on top of Mount Ararat? 160 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,880 These photographs show what more traditional archaeologists 161 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,200 would suggest to be geological features 162 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,880 and what more creationist archaeologists suggest 163 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,960 are the remains of Noah's Ark. 164 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,040 The local names for this location 165 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,840 broadly translate as Noah's Mountain. 166 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,360 So there's a kind of folkloric source there, 167 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,400 but there's also these aerial photographs 168 00:09:29,560 --> 00:09:35,040 that have the form of a kind of ship in plan. 169 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,000 So two curvy, linear positive lines, 170 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,960 which are ridges on the top of this mountain. 171 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,080 But these days, it's not just the CIA photographs 172 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:46,760 that can be used as evidence. 173 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,960 Archaeologists have now started digging at the site on Mount Ararat. 174 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:56,280 Since 2021, researchers from two Turkish universities, 175 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,000 in conjunction with one American university, 176 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:04,760 have been examining a boat-shaped mound near Mount Ararat. 177 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,280 And carbon dating samples 178 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,280 from that mound indicates 179 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,960 that it dates to the time 180 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,080 when Noah is, 181 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,680 according to the Bible, supposed to have built, 182 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:25,800 sailed, and eventually beached his ark on Mount Ararat. 183 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,920 The big point of contention is how you interpret 184 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,920 those positive features. 185 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,840 Whether... as some people have suggested, 186 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,320 these are the remains of Noah's Ark, 187 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,320 or whether as more traditional 188 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,000 archaeological scholars have interpreted, 189 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,320 these are actually geological features. 190 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,760 How the features are interpreted 191 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,480 can sometimes depend less on what is found at the site 192 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,440 and more on what the searchers bring with them. 193 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,440 Some of the problems with that archaeological work are also that 194 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,320 they are undertaken by people 195 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,160 who have a very literal interpretation of the Bible. 196 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,160 And there's a fabulous quote by another archaeologist who says 197 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:11,080 that no expedition that has ever gone looking for Noah's Ark 198 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,440 has failed to find it. 199 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,000 Have those scientists found the location 200 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,240 of the remains of Noah's Ark? 201 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:25,080 If so, that's a genuine historical revelation and indeed sensation, 202 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:30,200 though those tests and researches are still ongoing. 203 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,760 What none of that proves 204 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,520 is that the CIA got there first, 205 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:40,800 that it located Noah's Ark, 206 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,760 and that it covered up the existence of its knowledge. 207 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,920 The idea of spirits coming back from the dead to haunt us 208 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:12,640 is frightening enough. 209 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,760 But a ghostly apparition without a head 210 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,440 would surely be enough to scare even the sturdiest of souls. 211 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,680 The one thing we have never been short of in Britain 212 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,600 are ghosts. 213 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,440 Every village seems to have a haunted graveyard 214 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,600 and a manor house would seem incomplete 215 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,560 without the chain-rattling spirit of an ancestor. 216 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,360 Very few of these stories have ever found their way 217 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,960 into the august pages of the Times, 218 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,880 the journal of record for the British establishment. 219 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:06,880 And only one can claim to have been investigated 220 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:11,160 by a prominent former Home Office official 221 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,280 and Justice of the Peace. 222 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:18,320 And that story is the Headless Woman of St James's Park. 223 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,520 The story of the Headless Woman of St James's Park 224 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:31,480 actually begins, as far as we can tell, 225 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,240 in early 1804, when soldiers on guard duty 226 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,720 began to speak of this headless woman who was appearing to them 227 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,640 between the hours of one o'clock and two o'clock in the morning. 228 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,400 And in fact, several soldiers were so startled by it, 229 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:46,440 they ended up in hospital for several days. 230 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,400 We do have a record from one of the soldiers who saw the Headless Woman. 231 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:57,440 A man by the name of George Jones, who said that he was on guard duty 232 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,560 between one o'clock and two o'clock in the morning, 233 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,880 when suddenly from the ground in front of him 234 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,320 there appeared the form of a woman. 235 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,920 Jones was confronted by a terrifying vision. 236 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:14,000 The spectral image of a woman 237 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:18,680 rose up in front of him, no more than four feet away from him. 238 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,000 And the thing that struck him most about her, he said, 239 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,720 was that she didn't have a head. She was without a head. 240 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,040 He could see the collar around her neck, 241 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,840 and that was blood-stained. 242 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,240 But the woman had no head. 243 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,320 And then very quickly... 244 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:40,880 ...she vanished. 245 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,360 And it absolutely terrified him. 246 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,600 And he went right racing off to try and report it, 247 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,960 found another soldier, told him what he'd seen, 248 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,480 and as far as we can tell, that's the first major sighting 249 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,360 of the Headless Woman of St James's Park. 250 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,800 Just a few days later, the Headless Woman appeared again. 251 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,480 This time, she had appeared to another young soldier 252 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:06,040 who was occupying the same sentry box that Jones had been standing in. 253 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,200 And this young soldier was found in a dead faint. 254 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,200 Within a week, the spectral image of a headless woman 255 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,080 appeared to a third soldier. 256 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:18,200 At that point, the stories did become public, 257 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:23,640 and they made their way into the pages of the Times newspaper, 258 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,240 and it caused a sensation. 259 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:30,400 This enthralled... and horrified... 260 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,560 the Times readership. 261 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:38,200 That publicity led to an official inquiry by Sir Richard Ford, 262 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,800 a former MP, 263 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,880 a former Home Office official, 264 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:47,040 and who was then the Chief Magistrate for the area. 265 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,520 He held hearings 266 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:54,640 and in those hearings Jones adamantly stuck to his story. 267 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,760 He insisted, he said he would swear it under oath 268 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,880 that he had seen this woman rise up in front of him 269 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,720 and that she had..a bloodied collar 270 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,280 and just the stump... of a neck. 271 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,240 We have to keep in mind that this story 272 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,840 is very early 1800s of a headless woman in St James's Park. 273 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,840 This is the early days of spiritualism. 274 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,400 There was certainly a lot of writing of that time 275 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,680 in many books and newspapers about spiritual experiences, 276 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,280 people seeing ghosts, haunted locations. 277 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,440 So already, the 1800s was priming itself 278 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,120 to become really interested in ghosts and spirits 279 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:35,840 and life after death. 280 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,760 And so newspaper accounts were starting to fuel that fire. 281 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:45,280 Sir Richard Ford, the man heading the inquiry, 282 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,840 was hardly a conspiracy theorist or a ghost hunter. 283 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,840 He was, in fact, a fairly mundane establishment civil servant, 284 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,080 and he was baffled. 285 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:04,360 He tried to think of any possible rational explanation. 286 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,160 And as he cast his mind back, 287 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:12,120 he recalled an incident 20 years earlier. 288 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:13,680 It was a murder case. 289 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,400 A case involving a sergeant in the Coldstream Guards 290 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,160 who had killed his wife, 291 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:29,880 decapitated her 292 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,400 and dumped her body in the canal 293 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,160 running through St James's Park. 294 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,840 That seemed the most likely explanation. 295 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,240 That this new appearance 296 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,440 of the headless woman in St James's Park 297 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:56,320 was a manifestation of the ghost of that unfortunate army wife. 298 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,800 But the Times had other ideas. 299 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:02,400 Its reporter claimed to have solved the mystery 300 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,080 and to have come up with a very different explanation. 301 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,080 According to the report in its august pages, 302 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,160 the Times said it had discovered the so-called ghost 303 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,720 was in fact no more than a prank. 304 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,960 It said it had discovered 305 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:25,320 that two Westminster scholars, as it called them, 306 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,960 had been experimenting with Phantasmagoria. 307 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,040 Now Phantasmagoria was then very popular. 308 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:40,120 It was an early form of magic lantern shows in which images 309 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:45,560 were projected onto a screen to widespread amazement. 310 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:51,640 The Times didn't identify these two mysterious Westminster scholars, 311 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,040 nor did it quite explain how... 312 00:18:55,200 --> 00:19:00,120 they could have projected the image of the headless woman 313 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,280 onto the night air. 314 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,680 Because there was no back sheet in the area. 315 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,840 No projection reception device 316 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,480 which could... have been used. 317 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:19,400 But nonetheless, this was now the explanation. 318 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,280 It had all been a prank. 319 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,800 The explanations of Sir Richard Ford and the Times 320 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,160 don't seem to have completely exorcised the phantom. 321 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,360 Across the years, users of the park 322 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,720 still record supernatural encounters with a headless woman. 323 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,480 The sightings of the Headless Woman in St James's Park 324 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,720 continued over many years, but they were very intermittent. 325 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,600 But another significant one was in 1972, 326 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,840 when a driver says that they saw 327 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,600 and nearly hit the apparition of the Headless Woman. 328 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:59,160 A taxi driver was driving through the park, and was terrified... 329 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,680 ...when the apparition of the Headless Woman 330 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,440 appeared suddenly in front of him. 331 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,120 Some reports saying they crashed into a lamppost. 332 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,880 So distinct for him was the apparition in trying to avoid it. 333 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,280 When the police came, he said that he'd actually been driving along 334 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,000 and suddenly a lady in a red dress had appeared before him 335 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:21,560 and he'd swerved to avoid her. 336 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,320 Try as you might, you will not trace 337 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:30,200 any official records to support this account. 338 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,640 Which, despite the lack of foundation, is repeated now 339 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,760 time and time and time again, 340 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,400 in cheap books or internet threads, 341 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,360 as proof of a ghostly haunting. 342 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,440 The Headless Woman's reputation may have been sullied, 343 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,760 but perhaps her power to frighten persists. 344 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,280 Would you be willing to take a stroll around the lake 345 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,280 in St James's Park at midnight? 346 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,160 There's a bridge that crosses the lake 347 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:00,520 in St James's Park now. 348 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,200 It's a beautiful spot. You can stand there. 349 00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:04,560 If you look to one side, you can see Buckingham Palace. 350 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,880 Look to the other side, you see the government buildings of Whitehall. 351 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,960 But go there at night when it's pitch black 352 00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:12,320 and you've just got the moon overhead. 353 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,160 Stand on that bridge, and if you're on your own, 354 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,400 it is absolutely terrifying. 355 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,400 Nobody knows why we seem to be so fascinated 356 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:42,920 by stories of the paranormal. 357 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,360 But one thing is certain - they captivate us 358 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,640 just like a moth drawn to a flame. 359 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,200 The word monster comes from the Latin monstrum, 360 00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:59,800 meaning a divine portent or a warning. 361 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:02,160 Those who are brave enough to study monsters 362 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,480 will tell you that they come in two main types. 363 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,480 One are true Cryptids. 364 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,160 Flesh and blood animals like the Yeti, the Mongolian death worm, 365 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,480 animals thought to have died out years ago, 366 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,000 but are still around like the Tasmanian wolf. 367 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,240 But then there's this other group 368 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,440 that are much stranger. 369 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,200 And these seem to be genuinely paranormal. 370 00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:27,600 So these aren't flesh and blood animals as we think of them, 371 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,400 and the way that you and I are flesh and blood animals. 372 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,080 These are some kind of very ancient, 373 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,680 very terrifying, paranormal phenomenon. 374 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:43,320 Late on the night of November the 15th, 1966, 375 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,200 two young couples were parked up in a car 376 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:51,360 on the site of a decommissioned munitions dump 377 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,480 when they encountered a terrifying sight. 378 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,000 They saw two lights in the darkness 379 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,840 and they realised that these lights were huge, glowing orb-like eyes 380 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,320 and the owner of the light shuffled forward. 381 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,600 And they saw this mysterious creature, 382 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,880 which was winged, 383 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,200 almost like a dark angel. 384 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:25,360 Covered with a brownish-greyish hair. 385 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,800 It had a 10-foot wingspan. 386 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,000 They were terrified and drove off. 387 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,960 This terrifying creature then pursued them 388 00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:37,680 as they sped away back to town, 389 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,840 and the creature emitted eerie screeching noises 390 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,600 as it flew behind them. 391 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,280 And it pursued them at 100 miles an hour. 392 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,400 And they felt sort of... almost attacked the car. 393 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,280 They certainly felt they heard some noise on the roof of the car. 394 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,160 And it only veered away when they approached the town. 395 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,000 The town was Point Pleasant, West Virginia, 396 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,440 in the Appalachian region of the southeastern United States. 397 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,400 Well, the police looked into this, 398 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,360 and they looked into a number of sightings... 399 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,760 ...including... a guy whose dog Bandit 400 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,960 tackled some creature with large glowing eyes and then vanished. 401 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:22,080 And then the dog's carcass was seen at the side of the road 402 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,440 by another witness. 403 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,680 It appears in a local paper. 404 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,480 A larger paper, usually a national paper, 405 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,000 is looking for interesting stories. 406 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,960 They find this one. They publish it and it starts to spread. 407 00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:38,040 The frightened citizens of Point Pleasant, West Virginia, 408 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,000 tried to explain away the horror of the Mothman sightings 409 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,920 with rational explanations. 410 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,400 Some of them tried to explain it away as a very large heron, 411 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,880 which doesn't fit the picture. 412 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,360 A local wildlife biologist said that it was a sandhill crane. 413 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,760 Again, doesn't fit the picture. These are tall, spindly, thin birds. 414 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,760 Whatever Mothman was, it was a bulky... 415 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,240 It had a bulky, heavy body with these great glowing eyes. 416 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,320 The sceptic, Joe Nickell, 417 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,560 came up with a very lame explanation that this was an owl. 418 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,360 There are no owls anywhere in the world that are seven feet tall 419 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:17,120 and can chase cars at 100 miles an hour. 420 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:20,160 With no viable explanation, 421 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,200 the Mothman story might well have ended there. 422 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:25,520 Had it not been for a terrifying accident 423 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,040 at the Silver Bridge near Point Pleasant, 424 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,320 13 months after the Mothman's first appearance. 425 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,720 On December the 15th, 1967, 426 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,520 the Silver Bridge collapsed. 427 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,760 47 people were killed in the disaster. 428 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,080 Two bodies were never found. They were presumed to have been 429 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,320 washed away by the Ohio River's strong flow. 430 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,880 Locals saw the appearance of the Mothman 431 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,560 as a portent of the disaster, and the story really began to take hold. 432 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:06,120 You get two paranormal specialists who wrote books about it, 433 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,880 and one of them is called the Mothman Prophecies. 434 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,720 And, of course, that was when it got its name, and the name stuck. 435 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,920 It's a lovely, you know, it's a lovely, easy to remember name, 436 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,160 and it conjures up something rather strange. 437 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:18,920 The sightings didn't stop 438 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,000 after the collapse of the Silver Bridge. 439 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,760 But they were not always quite what they might have seemed. 440 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,400 There were hoaxes. 441 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,520 Apparently some construction workers 442 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,120 put the red car reflectors... 443 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,960 onto balloons and sent them up in the air. 444 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:39,800 Some of the hoaxes were more imaginative reworking. 445 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,000 The one I'm particularly thinking of is this little film 446 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,240 which is supposedly found footage 447 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,880 of people going off into the woods and looking for the Mothman. 448 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,520 I mean, this kind of found footage film 449 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,960 achieved a great deal of popularity. 450 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:58,520 And I think it wasn't so much trying to deceive and frighten 451 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,720 as playing along with... with this phenomenon. 452 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,600 - There she is! - Richard! 453 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:09,120 Then in 2002, Hollywood got in on the act. 454 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,280 A Los Angeles studio bought the rights 455 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,520 to the Mothman Prophecies book 456 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:22,680 and set about scripting a supernatural horror movie. 457 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,520 It would star Richard Gere and Laura Linney, 458 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,000 top-drawer name actors. 459 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,880 Unfortunately, the producers created an entirely fictional lead character 460 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,120 played by Richard Gere, who was a reporter on the Washington Post, 461 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,480 who had an encounter, a near-death encounter with "the Mothman" 462 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,480 and then went on to investigate 463 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:53,600 and narrowly escaped death in the collapse of the Silver Bridge. 464 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:59,160 Only through his intrepid journalism in this movie 465 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:06,280 were the two events finally able... to be associated. 466 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:07,560 Because he... he doesn't... 467 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,560 The invention of a fictional character 468 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,600 in a Hollywood movie inevitably muddied the water 469 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,720 between fact and fable yet further. 470 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,840 All the more so when it was revealed that the Silver Bridge collapse 471 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,800 was caused by the failure of the suspension mechanism 472 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,440 rather than anything supernatural or paranormal. 473 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,720 Mothman is, I think... 474 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,920 almost unique in the way that the town has adopted it. 475 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,720 So, what is a horror figure 476 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,600 has become, I think, 477 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,360 mascot would not be the wrong word. 478 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,120 The town has really now used Mothman as its identity. 479 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,200 There is now a little Mothman Museum. 480 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,960 There is a Mothman Festival in September every year, 481 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,160 and they would dress as the Mothman. 482 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,200 There's a statue, a very elaborate statue that was commissioned, 483 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,800 that's in the middle of the town. 484 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,400 So, the town has kind of created the sense that we are the Mothman town. 485 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,120 Which is very interesting because it's made it a very positive image. 486 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,440 So it's managed to reverse this into something which is, 487 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,960 "Let's be scared, but not too scared." 488 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,200 But not everyone buys into the idea 489 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,200 that the Mothman has been domesticated. 490 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,800 And while they may not think it to be a real creature, 491 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,520 they believe there is an even more frightening explanation. 492 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,880 I don't think that Mothman was a cryptid. 493 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,760 A cryptid is an animal that's unknown to science, 494 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,720 or maybe one that's thought to be extinct but might still be around, 495 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,000 such as the Tasmanian wolf. 496 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,920 Mothman, I think, was a paranormal manifestation. 497 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:57,760 And why I say that is because of the intense fear it engendered. 498 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:00,960 This raises the question, 499 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,200 where does the Mothman's power come from? 500 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,480 How was it able to conjure up such primordial fear in us? 501 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,720 I think one kind of has to go back and think, 502 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,080 "Where did it come from?" 503 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,320 And you get a lot of supernatural monsters, 504 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,320 particularly associated with forests. 505 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,680 I mean, this rural area is quite a forested area, 506 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,200 and they seem to be this kind of semi-demonic sort of character. 507 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,080 You might very well, at some point, have gone into the woods 508 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,080 and seen witches and devils and various things. 509 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:41,280 Well, this has kind of defanged that kind of religious overtone 510 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,400 by simply making them sort of horror monsters. 511 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,520 And in this case, you know, it's gone from being whatever it was, 512 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,240 the monster that you met in the woods 513 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,520 at the time when you really believed that the devil haunted the woods, 514 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,440 to a horror monster, to our monster. 515 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,800 You know, he may be a monster, but he is ours, 516 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,920 and we, you know, we like him. 517 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,240 With the Mothman change, you might imagine 518 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,760 that we have seen the last of him, but that is not the case. 519 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,520 There has been a recent sighting. 520 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,000 I think it was 2016, 521 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,760 and it was a picture was transmitted on a local TV station. 522 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,600 So people are seeing these animals. 523 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,080 They're seeing kind of ambiguous information, 524 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,920 taking pictures, and it's a theme. 525 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,920 The idea that there is these crypto-zoological things out there 526 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,880 that we don't know everything. 527 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,640 That there are mysteries, is tremendously appealing. 528 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,040 And in the case of the Mothman, too, 529 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,640 you also have the possibility that it's precognitive, 530 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:44,320 that it either prefigures or causes some kind of big disaster. 531 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,600 So I can see how it would just be perfect legend material. 532 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,560 I think the legend of the Mothman persists for a number of reasons. 533 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,680 One, it's been linked, I think, erroneously, 534 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,680 with the tragedy of the collapse of the Silver Bridge. 535 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,960 That's just a piece of modern day folklore. 536 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,120 But it's the creepiness of it. 537 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,720 It's the idea of the small town monster. 538 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,600 This thing that's lurking on the edge of civilisation 539 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,040 and seems to occasionally... come into our habitat, 540 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,360 chasing cars, looming out of the darkness 541 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,280 and then vanishing again like some sort of phantom. 542 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,600 The camera doesn't lie. 543 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,840 So when a photograph seems to show something extraordinary, 544 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,240 we tend to look for an extraordinary explanation, 545 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,400 but that isn't always where we will find the truth. 546 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,280 When an aeroplane crashes, 547 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,200 there is usually loss of life 548 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,920 and an immediate search for the cause of disaster. 549 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,280 Mechanical failure, human error, 550 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,280 striking another object, running out of fuel, 551 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,680 all manner of things can be to blame. 552 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,000 But in modern warfare, 553 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,320 a reliable machine is a matter of life and death, 554 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,640 and finding the cause for aircraft failures 555 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,400 can be the difference between winning and losing. 556 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,480 In April 1942, as the Allies suffered 557 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,880 a devastating series of setbacks 558 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,120 against German forces, 559 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,840 the Royal Air Force published an article 560 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,840 in its official journal, 561 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,320 entitled The Gremlin Question. 562 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,440 Every pilot, every navigator seems, 563 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:56,000 "to be on nodding terms" with gremlins. 564 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,720 Swarms of mischievous creatures 565 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,120 who caused havoc with the aircraft. 566 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,400 They caused havoc with bombs, with navigation, 567 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,040 with every part of the aircraft equipment. 568 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,240 The one thing lacking in the RAF document 569 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,920 is a description of what a gremlin looks like or where they're from. 570 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,080 It's important to remember that 571 00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:23,280 until the early years of the 20th century, 572 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,280 no one had any idea what existed 573 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,040 above the Earth's atmosphere. 574 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:35,720 There was no concept of what might be in this stratosphere 575 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:41,280 and that provided fertile ground for novelists and storytellers 576 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,120 to come up with their own ideas 577 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,560 and to weave them into speculative fiction. 578 00:34:47,720 --> 00:34:49,800 There's a very famous story 579 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,520 that was written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle in 1913 580 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,640 called the Horror of the Heights 581 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,800 that was published in Strand Magazine. 582 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,720 And it's all about a flyer around the sort of pre-war period 583 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,360 who... goes up way beyond 584 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,560 where pilots of that era could go. 585 00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:12,480 And he finds that the upper parts of the air around sort of 24,000 feet, 586 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,480 way beyond where any aircraft could go at that time, 587 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,120 was populated by creatures. 588 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,960 Weird creatures, the sort of creatures that you 589 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,800 would perhaps find at the bottom of the sea who lived in the sky. 590 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,200 And his aircraft is attacked by these creatures 591 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,240 who are sort of fighting amongst themselves. 592 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,880 And this is a human being who's gone up in a piece of metal. 593 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,960 So they descend on his aircraft and pull it to pieces 594 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,960 and he crashes to Earth. 595 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,320 And all that's left of him is the wreckage and a note 596 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,360 that basically says, "Beware the horror of the heights." 597 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,000 Now the frantic race of inventing, improvising, adapting 598 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,920 and refining aircraft equipment began. 599 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,920 Throughout the first World War 600 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,160 that fictional story gained currency 601 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,760 and it gained currency within the pilots and officers 602 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,960 of the Royal Flying Corps. 603 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:08,520 Now they were trying to manipulate cumbersome biplanes, 604 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:13,760 primitive planes, and also fight battles. 605 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,680 The first sightings would have been when 606 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,800 aviation started, and there were lots 607 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,440 of unexplained things 608 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:21,840 happening in aircraft 609 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,760 that people had no clear explanation for. 610 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,400 If you became a pilot, 611 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,320 particularly a military pilot at that time, 612 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,160 your chances of survival were slim. 613 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:36,040 Particularly if you were a fighter pilot over the Western Front. 614 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,040 I mean, they... they... they... 615 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,120 they were lucky to survive two or three days 616 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,400 when they were deployed to a fighter squadron. 617 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,880 So a lot of what happened when they were going into the sky 618 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,000 was all about luck. 619 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,680 A tradition arose that if something went wrong on your aircraft, 620 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,480 fuel gauge, propellers... 621 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,360 something that hadn't been properly serviced, 622 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,560 and you didn't want to blame it on humans, 623 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:03,600 you blamed it on goblins. 624 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,720 And the RAF version of this was "the gremlin". 625 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,920 By the time the Second World War came around, 626 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,880 the belief in gremlins, 627 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,960 stratospheric gremlins who interfered with aircraft... 628 00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:25,320 ...gained currency. 629 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:31,080 It gained so much currency that anywhere on any base, 630 00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:33,080 "gremlin" became a byword, 631 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,120 a shorthand for anything which went wrong with a plane 632 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,480 which didn't have an immediate and obvious cause. 633 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,560 But it wasn't just pilots who told tales of gremlins. 634 00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:49,040 The United States Air Force 635 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,040 published an illustrated guide to gremlins, 636 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,440 that it distributed all across its bases in Europe. 637 00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:04,440 The guide contains illustrations of cartoon characters. 638 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,520 Who are given names like Bubbles, Nitrogen, 639 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,000 and a list of the effects the gas can have. 640 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,760 But it doesn't take itself too seriously. 641 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:18,640 The guide is humorous. It's... It's tongue in cheek. 642 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,200 But it is actually serving a serious purpose, 643 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:27,040 because those conditions that it described are very real problems 644 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,440 which affect aviators flying at high altitude. 645 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,200 There was a US Air Force B-17 646 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,800 stratosphere operated flight test station 647 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,840 which experienced a number of very unexplained events, 648 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,120 such as oil leaks and lack of oxygen 649 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,440 when they were flying at over 40,000 feet 650 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,800 and that's where they explained them by saying it was the gremlins. 651 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,600 The hallucinatory effects and the physiological effects on pilots 652 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,680 flying at high altitude in the early days of aviation 653 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,920 without the same equipment that they have now, 654 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,760 I think could have been quite a contributory factor 655 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,760 to people beginning to see things that maybe weren't there. 656 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,200 Uh-oh. Here it comes. The message. 657 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,120 As we go rolling... 658 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:17,400 Hi, Mac. 659 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,600 ♪ Rolling home ♪ 660 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,720 Name is Grogan. Technical gremlin, first class. 661 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,080 And then the British Government got on board. 662 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:31,280 It began issuing posters which were tacked up 663 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,320 on air bases all across the country 664 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,120 warning pilots about gremlins. 665 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,520 These posters are extraordinary. 666 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,720 They carry a very real safety message. 667 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,560 "Don't do this. Always wear your goggles. 668 00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:49,200 Don't do that." 669 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,400 And attributed the reason for that to the dangers of gremlins. 670 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,840 Then in 1943, a young RAF officer 671 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,280 on secondment in Washington, DC 672 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,960 took the gremlin story even higher into the stratosphere. 673 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:08,040 Roald Dahl, who became one of the most celebrated novelists 674 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:13,040 of that period through to the '60s and 1970s, 675 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,080 wrote a short story Children's Story, the Gremlins. 676 00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:20,360 And he described Gremlins as mischievous creatures. 677 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,640 He said they were six inches tall 678 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,000 and they plagued air crews all over the world. 679 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,960 It was a lovely children's story 680 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,600 and it explained that Gremlins 681 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,320 were so antagonised by air crew 682 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,600 that they decided to create havoc, 683 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,480 to cause mischief on planes. 684 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,960 I was very lucky because I...I... 685 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,120 My first little book I wrote was called the Gremlins, 686 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,120 which was bought by Walt Disney. 687 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:54,480 Walt Disney seized on this and he published a syndicated column 688 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,360 illustrated with pictures of Gremlins 689 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,760 to strengthen the message about Gremlins 690 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,440 and the risks they posed to fliers. 691 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,160 He said, "If you doubt that they exist, 692 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,240 that's because you haven't flown a Spitfire in a dogfight 693 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,120 or been in a bomber over Germany." 694 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,680 The combination of Roald Dahl and Walt Disney 695 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,840 quickly got the attention of the British Government, 696 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,640 who saw it as a neat way to issue warnings to pilots 697 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,600 about the dangers of flying at high altitude 698 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,240 with Gremlins as the convenient scapegoats. 699 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,600 They got on board with Disney's projected film. 700 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,480 He said, "I'm going to turn Roald Dahl's novel into a feature movie." 701 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,840 And the British government said, "That sounds like a good idea." 702 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,240 In the end, that movie never happened because, true to form, 703 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,760 the British Government, stiff and censorious, 704 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:02,600 wanted control over every last aspect of the production 705 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,560 and indeed the finances. 706 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:06,680 Wait! That's different. 707 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,640 Are you kidding? 708 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,960 Why, the minute they start talking to you, 709 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,760 you'll go all soft and... 710 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,080 But the end of the film wasn't the end for the Gremlins, 711 00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:20,400 as their empire spread from aviation into other spheres. 712 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,560 I think Gremlins were adopted as a fiction for many other situations, 713 00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:29,200 such as driving, marine, etc. 714 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,040 Where anything went wrong 715 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,000 that really could not be easily explained. 716 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,480 There's not so much reporting of them now. 717 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,600 I think probably because the word Gremlin has been 718 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,480 taken over in other situations such as the movies 719 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,240 that have got that same title. 720 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,200 The Gremlins had gone from being an in-joke among pilots 721 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,720 to conquering Hollywood and become a term we use in everyday speech. 722 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,240 But only when something goes wrong. 723 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,400 It was those official USAF 724 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,200 and RAF inputs, 725 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:11,600 which gave the Gremlin's story legs, an entirely fictional story, 726 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,960 but one which became a pervasive myth... 727 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,560 ...for flyers during World War II. 728 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:22,040 Look, friend, I don't know what all this sarcasm is about, 729 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,080 but I'm getting out of this man's air force. 730 00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:29,760 Capital O, capital U, capital T. OUT. 731 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,880 Next time on Britain's X-Files... 732 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,280 How did an experienced pilot 733 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,240 disappear from the cockpit of his plane? 734 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,320 Does Russian film show a woman moving objects 735 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,440 with the power of her mind? 736 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,440 Did the Nazis discover the Holy Grail? 737 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,360 And what was the thing 738 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,880 that terrorised a peaceful Wiltshire village? 739 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,080 Subtitles by Sky Access Services 61754

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