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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:16,790 --> 00:00:20,330 Hello. Hiya. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you as well. Come and have a seat. 2 00:00:20,550 --> 00:00:21,550 Thank you. 3 00:00:24,970 --> 00:00:26,850 Very nervous. 4 00:00:28,230 --> 00:00:29,230 Don't like needles. 5 00:00:30,790 --> 00:00:36,790 If I don't have higher levels, it's obviously going to be a relief, but I've 6 00:00:36,790 --> 00:00:40,810 always said that when you know what's wrong, you know what to do to manage it. 7 00:00:42,010 --> 00:00:43,370 Come and have a sit on this, Jess. 8 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,880 What are you hoping to find out? That it's negative. 9 00:00:50,820 --> 00:00:57,500 I now have a tumour in my kidney, but I just think it's 10 00:00:57,500 --> 00:01:02,460 important to find out what has been going on. 11 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:06,860 We've had our children tested. 12 00:01:07,060 --> 00:01:11,240 I'd like to know if they've been affected as well. 13 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,200 When we found out about... 14 00:01:14,430 --> 00:01:18,790 The contamination, I was pregnant with my second child. 15 00:01:19,110 --> 00:01:24,350 It made me really worried for my children's health. I want to know, so 16 00:01:24,350 --> 00:01:28,530 I either put my mind at rest that they're OK. 17 00:01:36,050 --> 00:01:40,790 A new foam is demonstrated which can put out fires so fierce that they could 18 00:01:40,790 --> 00:01:42,670 actually set light to ordinary foam. 19 00:01:50,540 --> 00:01:55,260 The water and foam used to fight the fire is the other environmental hazard. 20 00:01:55,260 --> 00:01:58,340 vast volume used is currently being contained on site. 21 00:02:00,620 --> 00:02:05,000 But it would cause serious pollution if it leaked into nearby watercourses or 22 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,020 soaked into the ground. 23 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,980 If we do know that it's in the blood, maybe we could do something about that. 24 00:02:14,380 --> 00:02:16,600 You want your children to be healthy. 25 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:54,020 growing up here, especially when you're younger, getting that space and that 26 00:02:54,020 --> 00:02:56,200 air. Yeah, I felt very safe. 27 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:03,740 I love that you can walk out of Durham within five minutes. You can be walking 28 00:03:03,740 --> 00:03:07,420 along the river and explore for hours on end. 29 00:03:10,300 --> 00:03:16,200 Bentham is a small market town in North Yorkshire with a population of 3 ,000 30 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:17,200 people. 31 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:19,620 It's a wonderful community. 32 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:21,400 It's vibrant. 33 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:23,760 There's a lot going on. 34 00:03:23,980 --> 00:03:25,340 It's a very caring community. 35 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,060 I can't walk down the street without talking to lots of people. 36 00:03:36,220 --> 00:03:42,280 My whole ethos is about eating produce that I've grown as much as possible. 37 00:03:44,220 --> 00:03:46,720 It's an absolutely wonderful place to live. 38 00:03:49,829 --> 00:03:55,910 In 1969, there were very few houses on the market at those times, but this one 39 00:03:55,910 --> 00:03:56,930 came on the market. 40 00:03:57,490 --> 00:04:00,370 Christine and myself, we were lucky enough to buy it. 41 00:04:01,250 --> 00:04:02,750 £3 ,500. 42 00:04:04,770 --> 00:04:08,770 So that's how we came to live in Bentham. 43 00:04:11,570 --> 00:04:13,050 We had four kids. 44 00:04:18,089 --> 00:04:22,750 And when you bought this house, did you know a lot about Angus Fire? 45 00:04:23,390 --> 00:04:24,390 No. 46 00:04:24,730 --> 00:04:28,310 It didn't bother me coming here. It was a lovely house. I mean, we bought the 47 00:04:28,310 --> 00:04:31,750 house. We didn't buy what's till the end of the garden. 48 00:04:34,750 --> 00:04:36,010 I knew there was workers. 49 00:04:38,250 --> 00:04:39,370 A lot of workers. 50 00:04:42,810 --> 00:04:47,030 Angus Fire is one of the UK's largest producers of firefighting equipment. 51 00:04:47,790 --> 00:04:51,210 selling its products across the UK and around the world. 52 00:04:52,350 --> 00:04:58,050 Its parent company, Angus International Safety Group, owns fire safety companies 53 00:04:58,050 --> 00:04:59,310 across the globe. 54 00:04:59,910 --> 00:05:05,250 Founded over 200 years ago, Angus Fire has been a major employer in Bentham for 55 00:05:05,250 --> 00:05:06,250 generations. 56 00:05:06,810 --> 00:05:08,990 Because they all worked there. 57 00:05:09,450 --> 00:05:10,870 My grandad did. 58 00:05:11,090 --> 00:05:12,330 My dad did. 59 00:05:13,870 --> 00:05:15,490 My brother worked in there. 60 00:05:16,270 --> 00:05:17,590 I worked in for a bit. 61 00:05:18,250 --> 00:05:22,010 John, Colin and Steve are former workers at the factory. 62 00:05:22,450 --> 00:05:24,190 It was a good job for life. 63 00:05:24,410 --> 00:05:26,490 You only finished when you left. 64 00:05:26,710 --> 00:05:31,630 Yeah. I know they're employing nothing to what they used to, but even now, 65 00:05:31,690 --> 00:05:33,750 Benson's nothing without him. No. 66 00:05:34,610 --> 00:05:39,890 But if it wasn't for Angus's, there wouldn't be anything, would there? Yeah. 67 00:05:40,530 --> 00:05:41,530 Yeah, yeah. 68 00:05:43,980 --> 00:05:46,300 I worked there 1974 to 84. 69 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:48,360 Ten years. 70 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,620 I think I was probably 19 when I went to work for him. 71 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:57,900 Oh, this is down at Fawn Plant. 72 00:05:58,520 --> 00:05:59,740 That's down at Fawn Plant. 73 00:06:00,140 --> 00:06:04,600 These tanks would be full of foremen. When there was, like, a big fire in 74 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,120 or airports or anything, they would wear with it all right away, like, you know. 75 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,420 Everybody thought, what a product. 76 00:06:13,150 --> 00:06:18,750 Because I think it absolutely smothered fires, like, you know. It's just ironic 77 00:06:18,750 --> 00:06:25,650 that such a purposeful thing what saved lives could have 78 00:06:25,650 --> 00:06:26,650 done damage, like. 79 00:06:31,290 --> 00:06:37,870 From 1976 to 2024, Angus Fire made firefighting foam 80 00:06:37,870 --> 00:06:39,330 containing PFAS. 81 00:06:40,830 --> 00:06:46,010 PFAS. are a group of man -made compounds, also known as forever 82 00:06:46,370 --> 00:06:50,910 They break down slowly and can remain in the environment for thousands of years. 83 00:06:52,890 --> 00:06:56,610 PFAS are a group of over 7 million different chemicals. 84 00:06:56,850 --> 00:07:00,750 They're stain resistant, they're water resistant. We use them really widely in 85 00:07:00,750 --> 00:07:02,210 wide range of different products. 86 00:07:02,570 --> 00:07:07,890 From waterproof clothing to non -stick cookware and food containers, PFAS is 87 00:07:07,890 --> 00:07:10,090 widely used in everyday consumer products. 88 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,100 But one of its widest uses is in firefighting foam. 89 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,800 So with firefighting foams, we want to be able to put the fire out quickly. 90 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:37,660 So we need a surfactant that's able to create really nice, stable, strong 91 00:07:37,660 --> 00:07:39,700 bubbles to quench that fire quickly. 92 00:07:55,770 --> 00:07:57,310 PFAS were perfect for that. 93 00:08:03,070 --> 00:08:06,210 But over time we've discovered that they're really persistent in the 94 00:08:06,210 --> 00:08:07,210 environment. 95 00:08:07,510 --> 00:08:10,930 Some of them pose a threat to wildlife and to humans as well. 96 00:08:15,010 --> 00:08:19,110 Because of the widespread use of these chemicals and their persistence in the 97 00:08:19,110 --> 00:08:23,510 environment, it's thought we all have some level of PFAS in our blood. 98 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,940 Residents say testing on Angus Fire's site was a regular occurrence. 99 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:42,080 I remember a siren going off and then not long after 100 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,920 the big black plumes of smoke. 101 00:08:49,860 --> 00:08:53,840 Angus had the steel vat. 102 00:08:57,670 --> 00:09:00,110 And they set fire to them. 103 00:09:06,710 --> 00:09:08,530 That's when the smoke would go. 104 00:09:16,410 --> 00:09:22,550 And then they'd put them out with their extinguisher foam. 105 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,680 We knew that not long after that there was going to be all this foam lying 106 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:37,680 about. 107 00:09:45,860 --> 00:09:51,060 I remember how it would come through the wire mesh at the back, which was the 108 00:09:51,060 --> 00:09:54,000 only thing that closed off the factory at that end. 109 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,040 And it would just spill out onto the lane. 110 00:09:59,580 --> 00:10:03,420 Neighbours Lydia and Emma say they remember walking their children to 111 00:10:03,420 --> 00:10:04,740 through the foam. 112 00:10:06,300 --> 00:10:09,560 It didn't stop mine from playing with it, you see. 113 00:10:12,140 --> 00:10:15,800 They would kick it around and bat it about, you know, pick it up. 114 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,160 You were more sensible, weren't you? 115 00:10:28,350 --> 00:10:29,570 Something didn't feel quite right. 116 00:10:30,150 --> 00:10:34,170 I remember it was hard to keep my daughter away from the phone. 117 00:10:38,570 --> 00:10:42,530 I remember being quite upset and trying to scrub her hands when we got home. 118 00:10:44,030 --> 00:10:50,810 When you would see the phone, what did you think at the 119 00:10:50,810 --> 00:10:51,810 time? 120 00:10:52,530 --> 00:10:55,130 Yeah, I just sort of caught it and thought, that can't be good. 121 00:10:55,330 --> 00:10:57,210 That doesn't feel right, it doesn't look right. 122 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:00,860 But there's still that element of trust. 123 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,720 It must be okay because they wouldn't, you know, there are regulations. 124 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:12,000 Angus Fire say it's unlikely that PFAS phones landed on the lane next to the 125 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:17,160 factory and that they stopped testing PFAS phones in 2022. 126 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:40,000 In May 2024, a London -based journalist, Pippa Neal, published an article that 127 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,160 would change Bentham. 128 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:47,780 Through a year -long investigation for the environmental magazine Enns Report, 129 00:11:48,260 --> 00:11:53,020 she obtained documents showing that testing of groundwater, the water that 130 00:11:53,020 --> 00:11:57,800 beneath surface level on the Angus Fire site, had revealed the highest known 131 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,860 concentrations of forever chemicals ever recorded in the UK. 132 00:12:05,870 --> 00:12:10,550 The testing was carried out by consultants on behalf of Angus Fire in 133 00:12:11,490 --> 00:12:15,470 But until Pippa's article, none of that was publicly known. 134 00:12:16,570 --> 00:12:18,950 She's agreed to help us make this documentary. 135 00:12:20,670 --> 00:12:24,730 When you're talking about chemicals that are potentially carcinogenic and can 136 00:12:24,730 --> 00:12:28,610 harm human health, there's a huge sense of responsibility there. 137 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,860 I understood as soon as I saw the levels of PFAS on the Angus Fire site that 138 00:12:33,860 --> 00:12:38,140 these were incredibly high PFAS levels and that this was a really important 139 00:12:38,140 --> 00:12:40,500 story to investigate and to tell. 140 00:12:45,220 --> 00:12:49,860 Pippa is meeting with John McCabe, who worked as a foam chemist at Angus Fire 141 00:12:49,860 --> 00:12:52,080 for seven months in 2014. 142 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,500 It was one of his first jobs after university. 143 00:12:58,300 --> 00:13:00,180 This is where the foam was made. 144 00:13:01,980 --> 00:13:04,920 And then you've got the testing, where the products were tested down here. 145 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:10,100 What happened to the runoff, the wastewater, when they would do these 146 00:13:10,100 --> 00:13:15,440 fires? So you'd light the fires, you'd do your testing, once all of that's 147 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:20,440 the burnt fuels and all the residues of liquid would be runoff into the lagoons 148 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:21,560 where the runoff would go to. 149 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,820 Runoff from the lagoons flowed directly into the sewer. 150 00:13:29,780 --> 00:13:32,500 From there, it ran into the river Wenning. 151 00:13:37,560 --> 00:13:41,840 Back then, the discharge of PFAS to the sewer broke no rules. 152 00:13:42,780 --> 00:13:48,020 Not only were the lagoons discharging to the river, but they were overtopping 153 00:13:48,020 --> 00:13:49,080 and spilling out. 154 00:13:49,420 --> 00:13:53,320 That wouldn't surprise me. Really? Yeah. Did you view that as a problem? 155 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:55,480 Potentially, yeah. 156 00:13:55,820 --> 00:14:00,040 But I suppose at the time I didn't really speak up on it. 157 00:14:00,980 --> 00:14:06,980 In 2023, after John had left the company, the Environment Agency warned 158 00:14:06,980 --> 00:14:12,120 Fire that its licence to use the lagoons could be suspended due to discharges of 159 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:13,540 PFAS into the groundwater. 160 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,660 Those lagoons are no longer in use. 161 00:14:19,700 --> 00:14:22,360 I think knowing what I know now, if I... 162 00:14:22,730 --> 00:14:25,870 If I went back in time, I think I would have done things differently. I think I 163 00:14:25,870 --> 00:14:31,210 would have been a lot more concerned with the general state of the health and 164 00:14:31,210 --> 00:14:32,210 safety involved. 165 00:14:35,090 --> 00:14:39,890 Tests conducted by Angus Fire showed that communal gardens of houses on one 166 00:14:39,890 --> 00:14:44,430 in particular, Duke Street, were being contaminated with PFAS. 167 00:14:45,630 --> 00:14:50,410 The residents on Duke Street, they were using those gardens to grow food. 168 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,260 It's upsetting, I'd say. 169 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,200 I think the company could have done better in general. 170 00:15:06,540 --> 00:15:09,420 Matt Young runs a tech repair shop in town. 171 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,660 He set up campaign group Cleaner Bentham following Pippa's reporting. 172 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:22,460 So the basic principle of Clean Abundance is to find and publish the 173 00:15:22,460 --> 00:15:23,460 pollution. 174 00:15:24,420 --> 00:15:29,400 Most of the conversations that we're having are about ill health. 175 00:15:30,180 --> 00:15:35,600 I've put up a screen with a PowerPoint presentation and it basically explains 176 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:42,340 how the Forever Kevin course, PFAS, which was in the foam, which are good 177 00:15:42,340 --> 00:15:45,700 fighting fires, are bad for the environment and people. 178 00:15:46,780 --> 00:15:48,660 What kind of response are you getting? 179 00:15:50,580 --> 00:15:54,280 Positive and negative. 180 00:15:55,180 --> 00:16:00,320 You know, in a quiet little town of 3 ,000 people, it's not something you 181 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,520 expect, and I don't think the majority of people in Bentham expected it either. 182 00:16:11,260 --> 00:16:14,960 I've been told that there was a gentleman... 183 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:16,660 Just trying to stir it up. 184 00:16:18,300 --> 00:16:19,960 Give them a bad name. 185 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:24,440 Well, you won't get me giving them a bad name. They've only brought good to 186 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:25,440 Bentham. 187 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:33,520 You're not concerned at all about the stories that have come out about 188 00:16:33,900 --> 00:16:38,420 Well, you can see me. I've been here since 1969 and it's not done me any 189 00:16:38,500 --> 00:16:39,500 has it? 190 00:16:42,540 --> 00:16:44,620 Others in town are worried. 191 00:16:49,420 --> 00:16:54,040 Rachel Willison was a practice nurse at Bentham Medical Practice for over 20 192 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:55,040 years. 193 00:16:56,220 --> 00:17:00,060 There are certain conditions where we've definitely been surprised that there 194 00:17:00,060 --> 00:17:01,580 seemed to be a high level of it. 195 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,680 I did feel that there were a lot of people that unfortunately had cancer. 196 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:14,200 A recent study estimated that Bentham tends to have higher incidence of some 197 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,819 cancers compared to the surrounding area. 198 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:23,599 One of the authors of the study has carried out a further analysis of cancer 199 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:25,140 diagnoses in Bentham. 200 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:33,640 In terms of urinary cancers, which contains kidney, testicular 201 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:40,640 cancers, they tend to be detected more frequently than what 202 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,840 is usually found in the region. 203 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:50,480 We don't know the cause of the cancer rates in Bentham, and the report's 204 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,240 warn that the data should be interpreted cautiously. 205 00:17:54,260 --> 00:17:57,740 John was diagnosed with kidney cancer in 2016. 206 00:17:58,540 --> 00:18:01,500 It's one of the cancers linked with PFAS exposure. 207 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:03,580 Let's have a good attack here. 208 00:18:04,810 --> 00:18:06,970 Take your right kidney out, it's full of cancer. 209 00:18:07,470 --> 00:18:12,070 After his right kidney was removed, a further cancer developed. 210 00:18:14,110 --> 00:18:19,270 And I've had two operations in the urethra, it was full of cancer. 211 00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:27,250 But now I'm not fit enough to even give them a chance to repair it. 212 00:18:27,390 --> 00:18:28,510 No, I know what you're saying. 213 00:18:28,770 --> 00:18:31,850 I respected the consultant's wording. 214 00:18:32,910 --> 00:18:37,350 And he said, John, if I try to do something like that, he shook my hand 215 00:18:37,350 --> 00:18:38,370 said, you'll die on the table. 216 00:18:39,110 --> 00:18:41,930 So I respected him for being straight. 217 00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:45,190 They said I was too weak to stand out really. 218 00:18:46,790 --> 00:18:48,030 It's a bit of a shock, isn't it? 219 00:18:48,310 --> 00:18:54,570 I think it's all ironic because all this is coming out and it's quite upsetting, 220 00:18:54,790 --> 00:18:55,790 isn't it? 221 00:18:57,350 --> 00:19:00,710 Exposure to some forever chemicals can raise cancer risk. 222 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,960 But we can't know for sure if it's a factor in any individual diagnosis. 223 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,840 Never give it a thought about Angus until it's all come out. But now I'm 224 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:11,840 thinking, no, right? 225 00:19:12,100 --> 00:19:16,820 But whether it's to do with Angus, I don't know. It does make you think, you 226 00:19:16,820 --> 00:19:19,520 know, am I going to be getting anything soon? 227 00:19:19,740 --> 00:19:20,780 But you never know. 228 00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:30,140 For more than a year, the community has been searching for answers. 229 00:19:32,590 --> 00:19:36,450 Amid mounting pressure, Bentham Town Council holds a meeting. 230 00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:40,770 Angus Fire was invited to attend. 231 00:19:52,050 --> 00:19:56,410 Unexpectedly, Angus Fire pulls out, just before the meeting starts. 232 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:06,060 However, they received a number of questions, a significant number of 233 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:13,360 And I think it's their fault, sorry, not fault, their thought that the meeting 234 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:16,040 would become an Angus -led meeting. 235 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,620 So they thought that for the benefit of the residents, 236 00:20:21,340 --> 00:20:24,260 it was probably better that they didn't attend. 237 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,000 Do you want to follow up on that? 238 00:20:42,980 --> 00:20:48,000 Pippa is here too, and wants to know how far the contamination may have spread. 239 00:21:20,970 --> 00:21:27,490 The panel tries to reassure residents that Angus Fire will engage independent 240 00:21:27,490 --> 00:21:28,490 consultants. 241 00:21:29,050 --> 00:21:32,590 to gather evidence about how far the contamination has spread. 242 00:21:33,150 --> 00:21:38,150 You keep saying we need more information, we're waiting for more 243 00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:44,630 You know, you say that about health as well. You won't do anything until you 244 00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:45,630 have more information. 245 00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:47,910 How long will it take? 246 00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:54,330 From what I can tell from where we are in the investigation, again pending any 247 00:21:54,330 --> 00:21:55,330 more information. 248 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,760 is actually the sort of behaviours that we are encouraged to take on a daily 249 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,980 basis to prevent ourselves from health harm should cover us off from what we 250 00:22:02,980 --> 00:22:07,500 see around PFAS as well. So things like washing and peeling vegetables to get 251 00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:08,500 all the soil off. 252 00:22:08,580 --> 00:22:10,400 Taking part in routine health screening. 253 00:22:12,260 --> 00:22:16,940 At the moment, there's just not enough information the council can use really 254 00:22:16,940 --> 00:22:20,120 determine how toxic PFAS is. 255 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,600 And at the moment, that information is lacking. 256 00:22:24,270 --> 00:22:26,830 I think it's been a productive meeting this evening. 257 00:22:27,530 --> 00:22:30,370 There's lots of questions that have been asked, some have been answered, some 258 00:22:30,370 --> 00:22:33,730 haven't been answered, but we've got them and we'll follow up with those. 259 00:22:33,970 --> 00:22:36,190 So thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. 260 00:22:39,170 --> 00:22:41,270 Angus didn't turn up to the public meeting. 261 00:22:43,570 --> 00:22:48,310 But in private, they've been meeting with residents on Duke Street, whose 262 00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:49,710 is back on to the test site. 263 00:22:51,390 --> 00:22:55,500 After Pippa's article was published, The company began offering to buy their 264 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:56,500 properties. 265 00:22:57,380 --> 00:23:01,300 By autumn, all but one has sold up and left. 266 00:23:06,900 --> 00:23:12,600 When I first came to Bentham, people were living here unknowing that they 267 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:13,620 potentially at risk. 268 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,340 You know, 12 months later, this street is empty. 269 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,880 They told residents that they admitted no liability. 270 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,840 and that the offers were a goodwill gesture. 271 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,740 Some of these people, their families had lived on this street for generations. 272 00:23:32,300 --> 00:23:36,400 Others had moved here, brought their families here, believing this would be 273 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:37,400 their forever home. 274 00:23:37,460 --> 00:23:40,980 And they were faced with the decision of, what if they didn't take the offer? 275 00:23:42,620 --> 00:23:46,720 They were ultimately trapped, not knowing if their health was at risk and 276 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,640 knowing if in the future they would ever be able to sell their homes. 277 00:23:50,730 --> 00:23:54,590 For me, there are many questions over whether residents have been put at risk 278 00:23:54,590 --> 00:23:55,590 living here. 279 00:23:56,750 --> 00:23:58,870 And are they still at risk? 280 00:24:28,510 --> 00:24:34,730 For decades, Angus Fire, a factory at the heart of Bentham, produced and 281 00:24:34,730 --> 00:24:40,490 firefighting foam that contained PFAS, a family of synthetic chemicals, some of 282 00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:42,890 which have been linked to cancer and other diseases. 283 00:24:44,410 --> 00:24:48,070 Many in the community have been trying to learn more about these chemicals. 284 00:24:48,690 --> 00:24:51,450 I used to take my kids down here. 285 00:24:52,270 --> 00:24:53,270 It was perfect. 286 00:24:56,050 --> 00:25:01,610 For Angela, who is ill, the most pressing concern is whether harmful 287 00:25:01,610 --> 00:25:04,270 have entered the bodies of residents and workers. 288 00:25:06,330 --> 00:25:10,470 Does what's happening now in Bentham cast that in a different light? 289 00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:15,690 Yeah, I wish I'd never done it. I wish I'd never taken the kids down there now. 290 00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:20,830 Behind this fencing here... 291 00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:26,060 is where all the burning goes on and the extinguishing. 292 00:25:28,540 --> 00:25:35,360 It is a beautiful place, but, you know, it's got this looming over 293 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:40,020 it really, hasn't it? And it needs to be... We just need some answers. 294 00:25:52,330 --> 00:25:53,330 Here we go. 295 00:25:54,790 --> 00:26:00,390 To try to find answers, Angela and 38 others have accepted our offer to get 296 00:26:00,390 --> 00:26:01,950 their blood tested for the chemicals. 297 00:26:03,410 --> 00:26:08,110 Everyone who took part lives within a kilometre of the factory or is a current 298 00:26:08,110 --> 00:26:09,970 or former worker of Angus Fire. 299 00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:16,090 The analysis was carried out by Eurofins, a global leader in 300 00:26:16,090 --> 00:26:20,710 testing. It's the first time the community has been offered blood 301 00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:24,320 And after five weeks, the results are back from the lab. 302 00:26:25,740 --> 00:26:27,720 Oh, it's quite high then, isn't it? 303 00:26:28,980 --> 00:26:33,940 Scientists say values above two nanograms per millilitre for certain 304 00:26:33,940 --> 00:26:37,980 blood are associated with the potential for adverse health effects. 305 00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:42,300 11 .736. 306 00:26:44,660 --> 00:26:46,680 And for that increase... 307 00:26:46,990 --> 00:26:51,950 at risk of kidney and testicular cancer. Well, I can count one out, but I've 308 00:26:51,950 --> 00:26:58,070 definitely got tumour in my kidney, so... 309 00:26:58,070 --> 00:27:04,890 Everyone who took part in our 310 00:27:04,890 --> 00:27:07,470 testing has a level of two or over. 311 00:27:09,810 --> 00:27:14,870 John Taylor, a former Angus Fire employee, has a level of eight. 312 00:27:17,260 --> 00:27:23,700 I think I expected it to say, oh, your blood's 100 % not all that. 313 00:27:24,860 --> 00:27:29,900 Now facing an inoperable cancer diagnosis, he's taken aback by the 314 00:27:31,060 --> 00:27:34,180 I'm just thinking, flipping heck, I've got more of these faults on me. 315 00:27:35,140 --> 00:27:38,700 I think it just makes you sit up and take notice. 316 00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:47,430 Values above 20 are associated with an increased risk of adverse health 317 00:27:50,650 --> 00:27:53,510 Thomas Davies' garden backs onto the factory. 318 00:27:55,910 --> 00:27:58,510 The level in his blood is 28. 319 00:28:00,970 --> 00:28:04,450 So can I pass it on to anybody else? 320 00:28:05,530 --> 00:28:07,130 No, it's not infectious. 321 00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:08,549 It's not infectious. 322 00:28:08,550 --> 00:28:09,550 No, that'll do me. 323 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,860 Well, it's not something balling then. 324 00:28:16,940 --> 00:28:23,840 Well, I don't know really. It's just that it was a bit higher than probably 325 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:24,839 I did expect. 326 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,680 Not really bothering me. I can't pass it on, so why should I bother at my age? 327 00:28:31,140 --> 00:28:36,820 Nine out of the 39 people tested had PFAS levels above 20, putting them in 328 00:28:36,820 --> 00:28:37,940 highest risk category. 329 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,360 Stephen lives on Duke Street, in the row of houses where communal gardens have 330 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,200 been contaminated with PFAS. 331 00:28:54,660 --> 00:28:56,560 He's the last remaining resident. 332 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,760 The others left after Angus Fire bought their houses. 333 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,160 They also offered to buy his. 334 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:12,000 The level in your blood is 43 nanograms per millimetre, 335 00:29:12,020 --> 00:29:15,780 so that is above that 20. 336 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,620 that is seen as putting you in the highest risk category? 337 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:28,020 Well, I've been here about 40 years and lived with it. I've grown all our own 338 00:29:28,020 --> 00:29:29,200 veg and eaten it all. 339 00:29:30,380 --> 00:29:33,780 But I've got cancer, so it's cured. 340 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,960 I just have to carry on. 341 00:29:37,780 --> 00:29:38,840 This is the time. 342 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,600 Oh, no, there's no Billups. 343 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,120 A growing body of research is revealing that there may be other health problems 344 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,260 associated with PFAS exposure. 345 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,160 These include reproductive issues. 346 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,740 Stephen Ilston has lived in Bentham for his entire life. 347 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,740 Until recently, he worked for a company that shares the Angus Fire site. 348 00:30:10,540 --> 00:30:12,640 His result is 55. 349 00:30:15,950 --> 00:30:18,170 So it's high, is that what it's saying, basically? 350 00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:25,190 So your level is above two times the upper... Nice. 351 00:30:25,470 --> 00:30:26,470 OK. 352 00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:33,670 I have had trouble conceiving children, which led to incredibly 353 00:30:33,670 --> 00:30:40,010 bad mental health and a pretty rough few years of my life. 354 00:30:40,790 --> 00:30:44,290 So it's good to hear that it's not me. 355 00:30:44,780 --> 00:30:48,520 Maybe it's PFAS that's caused it. 356 00:30:51,060 --> 00:30:56,600 The highest result among those tested was detected in a former worker at Angus 357 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:57,600 Fire. 358 00:30:59,940 --> 00:31:03,400 They have a blood PFAS level of 405. 359 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,440 They decided not to take part in this film. 360 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:21,100 Rachel Harrison grew up in Bentham and is now raising her young children here. 361 00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:26,940 Her level is two, but her children are significantly higher. 362 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,080 Quite a lot above that level. 363 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,100 And then why am I so low? 364 00:31:42,660 --> 00:31:44,000 If there's a... 365 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,040 so high. 366 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:52,080 Her three -year -old daughter's level is 10, her one -year -old son's 13. 367 00:31:53,060 --> 00:31:54,180 Yeah, I'm a bit shocked. 368 00:31:58,740 --> 00:32:02,040 I think I just didn't want to think that the children were affected by it. 369 00:32:04,660 --> 00:32:08,420 Like, they might be fine, it might not affect their lives, but it might. 370 00:32:10,030 --> 00:32:14,990 In the UK, there are no official guidelines for safe levels of PFAS in 371 00:32:15,850 --> 00:32:20,450 The guidance provided to residents in Bentham comes from the scientific body 372 00:32:20,450 --> 00:32:26,090 advising the US government, where public health research on PFAS is more 373 00:32:26,090 --> 00:32:27,450 advanced than in the UK. 374 00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:30,530 Yeah, I think it's quite confusing. 375 00:32:34,190 --> 00:32:37,490 I think because we don't know enough information yet. 376 00:32:38,380 --> 00:32:44,400 It's hard to know what to do next. What do I do with this information? 377 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:05,160 In America, greater awareness of forever chemicals has been driven by legal 378 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,160 action. 379 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:12,440 Lawyer Rob Billott says authorities worldwide have been too slow to 380 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,460 the health impacts of PFAS. 381 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,820 This is a global problem. 382 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:24,260 But it's frustrating as I watch this to see folks just now realizing these 383 00:33:24,260 --> 00:33:28,760 chemicals are even out there and then saying, well, we don't know much about 384 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,080 them. Yes, we do. 385 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,160 He raised the alarm on PFAS almost three decades ago. 386 00:33:38,060 --> 00:33:44,720 It was in 1998 that I got a call in my office with a gentleman who was raising 387 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,720 cattle in Parkersburg, West Virginia. 388 00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:52,940 Mr. Tennant, he was noticing that they were starting to develop tumors. 389 00:33:53,220 --> 00:33:55,100 Their teeth were turning black. 390 00:33:55,620 --> 00:33:57,860 Calves were being born, stillborn. 391 00:33:59,580 --> 00:34:01,780 These animals had started dropping dead. 392 00:34:03,420 --> 00:34:05,460 The chemical giant DuPont. 393 00:34:06,010 --> 00:34:10,590 one of the biggest chemical manufacturers in the world, owned a 394 00:34:10,590 --> 00:34:14,090 discharged wastewater into a creek on Wilbur Tennant's farm. 395 00:34:15,670 --> 00:34:21,070 He was sure there was something in that water that was making these animals 396 00:34:21,070 --> 00:34:22,070 sick. 397 00:34:22,870 --> 00:34:24,530 So you can get a good look at him. 398 00:34:25,389 --> 00:34:27,610 This thing, it's unbelievable. 399 00:34:34,409 --> 00:34:39,570 Bill Ott sued DuPont on behalf of his client, gaining access to thousands of 400 00:34:39,570 --> 00:34:40,570 internal documents. 401 00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:45,590 When I started digging through some of the DuPont records, I started seeing 402 00:34:45,590 --> 00:34:48,969 references to this chemical PFOA. 403 00:34:50,150 --> 00:34:55,250 PFOA, a type of PFAS forever chemical, was being used in DuPont's Teflon 404 00:34:55,250 --> 00:35:00,070 manufacturing process to make consumer goods like non -stick pots and pans, 405 00:35:00,330 --> 00:35:02,070 hailed as miracle products. 406 00:35:02,990 --> 00:35:07,930 But internally, studies carried out on work as an animal pointed to alarming 407 00:35:07,930 --> 00:35:10,230 health impacts linked to the chemical. 408 00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:17,130 The DuPont scientists were worried. This is getting into the public water. It's 409 00:35:17,130 --> 00:35:18,410 toxic. It's persistent. 410 00:35:18,670 --> 00:35:21,230 It's bioaccumulative. It could have these cancer effects. 411 00:35:26,170 --> 00:35:31,210 What was very disturbing to me was it became clear. 412 00:35:31,950 --> 00:35:37,110 that this was a problem that wasn't just something impacting Mr. Tennant and his 413 00:35:37,110 --> 00:35:38,110 family. 414 00:35:39,630 --> 00:35:44,350 We were dealing with a chemical that was likely getting into the drinking water 415 00:35:44,350 --> 00:35:45,710 that nobody knew about. 416 00:35:47,470 --> 00:35:51,950 Years later, Billott's story would be made into the hard -hitting Hollywood 417 00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:53,610 movie, Dark Waters. 418 00:36:00,780 --> 00:36:03,720 It reveals the emotional impact of what he found. 419 00:36:04,060 --> 00:36:04,959 It's just me. 420 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,920 Rob, you need to tell me what in the hell is going on. 421 00:36:10,180 --> 00:36:11,380 We're being poisoned. 422 00:36:18,380 --> 00:36:19,820 Without admitting liability, 423 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:25,740 DuPont settles Wilbur Tennant's case, as well as the class action lawsuit that 424 00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:30,680 followed. when 70 ,000 people in West Virginia and Ohio discovered their 425 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,800 drinking water had been contaminated by the factory. 426 00:36:35,780 --> 00:36:41,120 As part of that settlement, a panel of independent scientists was set up to 427 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,080 carry out groundbreaking research on PFOA. 428 00:36:44,340 --> 00:36:49,900 Among that panel of three scientists was British epidemiologist Dr. Tony 429 00:36:49,900 --> 00:36:50,900 Fletcher. 430 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:56,520 I first learned about PFAS when I had a call from a lawyer in the US saying, 431 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:01,780 would I like to get involved in this DuPont legal case as an expert advisor 432 00:37:01,780 --> 00:37:04,520 identify what are the health effects of PFOA? 433 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,380 Over seven years, the panel carried out one of the largest epidemiological 434 00:37:10,380 --> 00:37:12,040 studies of its kind. 435 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,100 69 ,000 of those affected by the contamination. 436 00:37:18,140 --> 00:37:20,880 provided blood samples and other medical data. 437 00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:27,600 In 2012, the panel published its findings. 438 00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:32,540 We concluded six diseases were probably linked to that exposure. 439 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:39,720 Two cancers, kidney and testicular cancer, raised cholesterol, ulcerative 440 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:43,820 colitis, thyroid disease and preeclampsia, that's high blood pressure 441 00:37:43,820 --> 00:37:44,820 pregnancy. 442 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:51,820 As a result of the scientific evidence linking PFOA to serious illness, the US 443 00:37:51,820 --> 00:37:56,040 government implemented new drinking water standards and began monitoring 444 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,760 drinking water for the chemical. 445 00:37:59,380 --> 00:38:05,140 This revealed widespread contamination across the country, linked to one 446 00:38:05,140 --> 00:38:06,140 in particular. 447 00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:18,050 After the 60s, for the next several decades, firefighting foam was used at 448 00:38:18,050 --> 00:38:23,550 almost every military base across the country, airports, fire stations, fire 449 00:38:23,550 --> 00:38:24,550 training facilities. 450 00:38:28,670 --> 00:38:31,950 And how are you told to use firefighting foam? 451 00:38:33,790 --> 00:38:36,110 You spray it out all over the ground. 452 00:38:40,270 --> 00:38:45,670 So for decades, Communities were exposed because this stuff would seep down into 453 00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:48,850 the groundwater or flow into a stream or into a lake. 454 00:38:49,730 --> 00:38:55,130 So suddenly thousands of claims are filed by individuals claiming cancers 455 00:38:55,130 --> 00:38:56,130 personal injuries. 456 00:39:00,410 --> 00:39:05,250 Kevin Volker is one of thousands of people in the U .S. bringing personal 457 00:39:05,250 --> 00:39:07,890 claims against firefighting foam manufacturers. 458 00:39:10,250 --> 00:39:11,570 I was a police officer. 459 00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:14,110 You know, it's a tough, tough life. 460 00:39:14,530 --> 00:39:17,610 Work a lot of hours, work a lot of overnight. 461 00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:23,670 Well, I was having some stomach issues and a lot of pain. 462 00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:30,130 And so I went to the emergency room and they found that there was a mass on my 463 00:39:30,130 --> 00:39:31,130 kidney. 464 00:39:31,310 --> 00:39:36,010 The doctor told me it was, you know, cancerous, clear cell carcinoma. 465 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,500 As a police officer, you know, you go through some seriously dangerous 466 00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:47,340 situations, and this was different. 467 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,820 Kevin had part of his left kidney removed. 468 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:58,160 After the surgery, it ran into a very old friend of mine. He started to kind 469 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:05,140 tell me a little bit about the PFASs in, you know, any area. He explained that 470 00:40:05,140 --> 00:40:07,200 the PFASs had gotten into the water. 471 00:40:07,790 --> 00:40:09,850 I was like, oh, geez. 472 00:40:10,070 --> 00:40:15,150 I wonder if my issue was related to all that water I was drinking. 473 00:40:19,690 --> 00:40:25,050 The legal claim is that firefighting foam used at two former military bases 474 00:40:25,050 --> 00:40:29,270 Pennsylvania contaminated the groundwater in the surrounding area. 475 00:40:30,830 --> 00:40:36,270 Over time, PFAS chemicals from the foam leached into public drinking water. 476 00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:42,810 Not all PFAS are proven to be toxic, but some of the chemicals that have been 477 00:40:42,810 --> 00:40:47,730 used in firefighting foam are linked to a higher risk of cancer and other health 478 00:40:47,730 --> 00:40:48,730 problems. 479 00:40:48,970 --> 00:40:52,210 We grew up down the road, a couple miles down the road, and the base is only a 480 00:40:52,210 --> 00:40:53,330 few miles down the road there. 481 00:40:54,110 --> 00:40:56,830 Yeah, nobody knew. That's the worst part about it. 482 00:40:57,870 --> 00:41:01,190 Kevin's sons have lived in the area their entire lives. 483 00:41:02,510 --> 00:41:07,150 Every time I have to get one of these MRIs, CAT scans, blood work. 484 00:41:07,650 --> 00:41:10,450 I'm always anxious what the findings could be. 485 00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:16,070 And I worry about you two guys. You know, future issues that either both of 486 00:41:16,070 --> 00:41:17,070 can have. 487 00:41:17,330 --> 00:41:20,750 Some challenging times. We managed to navigate through it. 488 00:41:22,010 --> 00:41:26,750 I don't have a tissue to give you. Mine's got lemon on it. 489 00:41:28,010 --> 00:41:30,370 Appreciate you guys. 490 00:41:37,710 --> 00:41:39,170 Glad you're still here. 491 00:41:43,490 --> 00:41:46,730 Now I want some justice and accountability for everybody. 492 00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:51,050 Not just myself, but all the victims. 493 00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:54,310 Somebody needs to speak for them, right? 494 00:42:00,630 --> 00:42:05,830 We can't give Evan Volker and others like him back their kidney. 495 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:12,200 or undo the experience of having to undergo treatment for cancer. 496 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:20,820 And holding these companies who knew about this potential to account is 497 00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:21,820 at stake. 498 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,920 Kevin is part of a class -action lawsuit. 499 00:42:28,660 --> 00:42:31,140 The cases date back to 2016. 500 00:42:34,890 --> 00:42:38,810 One of the companies being sued is Angus Fire's American sister company, 501 00:42:39,070 --> 00:42:40,190 National Foam. 502 00:42:40,810 --> 00:42:45,430 The company isn't involved in Kevin's case, but is defending thousands of 503 00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:46,430 others. 504 00:42:47,070 --> 00:42:50,570 The foam manufacturers deny the allegations against them. 505 00:42:53,070 --> 00:42:58,170 Gary Douglas is the lead trial lawyer, representing thousands of people who 506 00:42:58,170 --> 00:42:59,410 claim they have been impacted. 507 00:43:01,900 --> 00:43:07,720 This is, in my view, the greatest, single greatest man -made environmental 508 00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:13,760 disaster, second, perhaps, only to global warming and climate change. 509 00:43:16,660 --> 00:43:22,080 If you wanted to contaminate the environment, you could not have invented 510 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,540 better delivery device than firefighting film. 511 00:43:31,770 --> 00:43:36,190 Firefighting foam is mainly used to fight fuel fires and in firefighter 512 00:43:36,190 --> 00:43:37,190 training. 513 00:43:38,510 --> 00:43:43,570 The firefighters are literally spraying it into the environment. 514 00:43:43,930 --> 00:43:45,090 It's persistent. 515 00:43:45,350 --> 00:43:48,710 It will never disintegrate or degrade. 516 00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:54,410 It will leach through the soil and into the aquifers, and that's why we find it 517 00:43:54,410 --> 00:43:56,310 virtually every person. 518 00:43:56,810 --> 00:44:00,790 In the deepest depths of the ocean, in the highest tops of the highest 519 00:44:00,790 --> 00:44:01,790 mountains. 520 00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:06,910 People who live in the communities that surround the military bases, the 521 00:44:06,910 --> 00:44:12,770 airports and the fire houses that regularly trained with firefighting foam 522 00:44:12,770 --> 00:44:15,630 significantly higher levels in their blood. 523 00:44:17,350 --> 00:44:22,530 And those people who are unfortunate to live in these communities were affected 524 00:44:22,530 --> 00:44:25,270 disproportionately to the rest of the world. 525 00:44:34,350 --> 00:44:39,490 We showed the PFAS blood test results from Bentham to Gary Douglas and his 526 00:44:39,490 --> 00:44:40,850 partner, Rebecca Newman. 527 00:44:42,190 --> 00:44:48,210 Well, these PFAS blood levels are significantly higher than what we would 528 00:44:48,210 --> 00:44:50,550 term a background rate in the U .S. today. 529 00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:52,130 I'm blown away. 530 00:44:53,010 --> 00:44:58,710 These poor folks are walking around with very high levels that put them at great 531 00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:59,710 risk. 532 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,320 It's not yet known how PFAS has entered the blood of residents in Bentham, and 533 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,320 authorities say drinking water in the town is safe. 534 00:45:09,380 --> 00:45:15,040 Not everyone had elevated levels, but overall, Gary thinks the results are 535 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,040 significant. 536 00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:22,820 These are comparable, if not even higher, than the 537 00:45:22,820 --> 00:45:27,000 plaintiffs who were in our trial, who lived in a community that was highly 538 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,000 exposed. 539 00:45:30,060 --> 00:45:33,180 What would you say to the people in this community? 540 00:45:33,860 --> 00:45:37,420 I would say you should be carefully monitoring. 541 00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:39,380 You should be proactive. 542 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:44,640 The National Academy of Science, Engineering and Medicine, NASM, would 543 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:51,120 that their physicians be proactive in screening for these health effects that 544 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,700 are now associated with exposure. 545 00:45:54,780 --> 00:45:58,380 This could not have come from just ordinary... 546 00:45:58,990 --> 00:45:59,990 household products. 547 00:46:00,050 --> 00:46:06,610 They were living in close proximity to a facility that have used 548 00:46:06,610 --> 00:46:08,930 these compounds that are now in their blood. 549 00:46:09,150 --> 00:46:10,630 This is a smoking gun. 550 00:46:26,730 --> 00:46:31,710 Across the UK, hundreds of thousands of litres of PFAS firefighting foam were 551 00:46:31,710 --> 00:46:33,910 used from the 1970s onwards. 552 00:46:40,370 --> 00:46:44,130 Used to extinguish fuel fires, the foam saved lives. 553 00:46:44,690 --> 00:46:49,490 But there are now serious concerns over their persistence in the environment and 554 00:46:49,490 --> 00:46:52,110 the impact some of them may have on human health. 555 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:05,320 Based in Bentham, North Yorkshire, Angus Fire stopped producing PFAS phones in 556 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,320 2024, ahead of a UK -wide ban. 557 00:47:15,580 --> 00:47:20,500 But an investigation has revealed extremely high groundwater contamination 558 00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:24,940 the site, and raised questions about whether the chemicals may have spread. 559 00:47:35,310 --> 00:47:40,250 Now residents are making sense of the results from PFAS blood testing, which 560 00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:42,650 we've facilitated here for the first time. 561 00:47:43,170 --> 00:47:46,310 Would you like a cup? Yeah, just a top -up, please. Yeah, no worries. 562 00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:49,930 Anne Robshaw has lived in Bentham for 35 years. 563 00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:55,890 Her son Steve used to work at Angus Fire. 564 00:47:58,830 --> 00:48:03,350 The level of PFAS in her blood is 11 nanograms per millilitre. 565 00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:06,300 Putting her above the risk threshold of two. 566 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,940 Steve's level is eight. 567 00:48:10,420 --> 00:48:16,360 It was 2004 when I got diagnosed with kidney cancer. 568 00:48:17,820 --> 00:48:19,760 Yeah, 52 when I got it. 569 00:48:20,420 --> 00:48:23,480 Things are throwing at you. You've just got to get on with it. 570 00:48:24,540 --> 00:48:25,540 Yeah. 571 00:48:25,940 --> 00:48:28,100 And that's how I am. 572 00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:31,720 Tough. 573 00:48:34,890 --> 00:48:35,890 Oh dear. 574 00:48:36,650 --> 00:48:42,670 I can't really put it into words how it feels to 575 00:48:42,670 --> 00:48:49,590 know that you were seriously ill and it could be the contribution from where I'm 576 00:48:49,590 --> 00:48:51,510 living, unaware of what's going on. 577 00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:54,790 So, yeah. 578 00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:58,850 Having elevated level. 579 00:48:59,900 --> 00:49:04,740 it worries you that it will contribute to something else health -wise. 580 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,240 So, can we get rid of them from the body? 581 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:09,259 It can be done. 582 00:49:09,260 --> 00:49:12,840 Even to just reduce it is something I would like to know about. 583 00:49:28,650 --> 00:49:33,130 Dr David Megson analysed our PFAS blood test results from Bentham. 584 00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:42,130 I've done a few contamination studies in my time as a scientist and I think this 585 00:49:42,130 --> 00:49:47,290 one is the one that stands out for just such a high proportion of people having 586 00:49:47,290 --> 00:49:51,590 elevated exposure of PFAS. It was quite staggering. 587 00:49:53,770 --> 00:49:59,630 Because no data is available for PFAS levels in blood across the UK, Dr. 588 00:49:59,630 --> 00:50:03,310 compared the levels in Bentham with the general population in the US. 589 00:50:03,930 --> 00:50:07,870 I was absolutely shocked when we started to run this data. 590 00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:14,730 Nearly everybody we tested was above average and two -thirds of them were in 591 00:50:14,730 --> 00:50:19,690 top 5%. A third of them were higher than anything we'd ever expect to see in the 592 00:50:19,690 --> 00:50:20,690 background population. 593 00:50:21,450 --> 00:50:26,270 His analysis found that the group had particularly high levels of PFOA. 594 00:50:28,430 --> 00:50:33,690 PFOA is a type of PFAS, the same chemical uncovered in the public water 595 00:50:33,690 --> 00:50:34,730 in West Virginia. 596 00:50:37,290 --> 00:50:42,270 So the PFOA in particular is concerning because it's been linked to a known 597 00:50:42,270 --> 00:50:46,130 human carcinogen as well as a wide range of other potential health effects. 598 00:50:46,890 --> 00:50:51,660 Dr. Megson was struck by the high levels of PFAS. in the two young children who 599 00:50:51,660 --> 00:50:52,660 were tested. 600 00:50:53,060 --> 00:50:57,760 To see a one -year -old with the same kind of levels of PFAS as somebody who's 601 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,500 lived 30, 40, 50 years is quite upsetting. 602 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:26,140 We wanted to provide more information for the people who took part in the 603 00:51:26,140 --> 00:51:28,680 testing, as well as their friends and family. 604 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:35,500 We arranged a meeting with Dr David Megson and Dr Tony Fletcher, two world 605 00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:36,500 -leading experts. 606 00:51:37,620 --> 00:51:39,940 Journalist Pippa Neal moderated the discussion. 607 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:45,700 My name is Tony Fletcher. I study patterns of disease and what may cause 608 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,360 We can be certain that... 609 00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:52,120 there are adverse health effects caused by these chemicals and therefore it's 610 00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:57,240 important to phase them out and one thing that we can confirm from the data 611 00:51:57,240 --> 00:52:04,180 group you have unusually high levels of pfas especially the chemical pfoa 612 00:52:04,180 --> 00:52:10,540 and and so based on this data it would have i think very strong suggestion 613 00:52:10,540 --> 00:52:15,900 that there has been an additional exposure to you thanks 614 00:52:16,810 --> 00:52:21,630 If I had levels of contamination in my body, is it possible to pass that on 615 00:52:21,630 --> 00:52:24,730 through birth and through breastfeeding? 616 00:52:25,230 --> 00:52:26,330 Absolutely, no. 617 00:52:26,990 --> 00:52:33,110 When you give birth, the baby's blood is more or less the same as the mother's, 618 00:52:33,130 --> 00:52:35,090 plus or minus a few percent. 619 00:52:35,490 --> 00:52:41,770 And then if the mother then breastfeeds for six months, it more or less doubles 620 00:52:41,770 --> 00:52:43,110 the level in the infant. 621 00:52:44,750 --> 00:52:50,170 The general consensus seems to be that the benefits of breastfeeding far 622 00:52:50,170 --> 00:52:51,810 outweigh that risk. 623 00:52:52,030 --> 00:52:57,850 Can it affect the development of a fetus at all? One of the key effects that has 624 00:52:57,850 --> 00:53:03,270 been identified in children is an apparent reduction in the immune system 625 00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:08,930 effectiveness. So it's, you know, there is a concern. 626 00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:14,580 The experts stress the importance of finding out how the chemicals have 627 00:53:14,580 --> 00:53:15,580 people's bodies. 628 00:53:17,340 --> 00:53:22,280 We've done this first step of the investigation and realised that as a 629 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,120 you've got an unusually high exposure. 630 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,700 The logical next step is to then go, OK, what is the pathway of the chemicals 631 00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:29,700 coming out? 632 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:34,420 So you want your levels to go down. One of the best ways to achieve that is to 633 00:53:34,420 --> 00:53:39,060 stop or reduce your exposure to let your body slowly get rid of it. 634 00:53:39,340 --> 00:53:44,580 The high levels that we've seen on average could be related to locally 635 00:53:44,580 --> 00:53:50,880 food. Land that has been contaminated, vegetables grown in that can then lead 636 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:51,880 you getting exposed. 637 00:53:52,420 --> 00:53:57,840 Someone needs to do some systematic measurements to see how far that 638 00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:03,520 contamination is and give some advice on whether or not that could be a 639 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,920 significant route of exposure for you. 640 00:54:07,470 --> 00:54:10,550 I'm Thomas Davis. My back garden overlooks Angus's. 641 00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:14,830 And I know very well my blood levels have raised. 642 00:54:15,170 --> 00:54:17,370 And I grow a lot of fruit in the garden. 643 00:54:17,870 --> 00:54:22,350 Right. I'm just wondering whether the fruit is safe to eat. 644 00:54:24,450 --> 00:54:25,450 We don't know. 645 00:54:26,130 --> 00:54:31,590 One of the questions... Sorry, would cooking the fruit 646 00:54:31,590 --> 00:54:36,010 be better for me instead of eating it raw? 647 00:54:37,140 --> 00:54:39,720 Cooking it shouldn't make much difference, no. 648 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,320 You'd need to get up to over 1 ,000 degrees, I think, to start breaking 649 00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:44,118 chemicals down. 650 00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:45,120 Right. Thank you. 651 00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:52,940 Angus Byer say there is insufficient evidence to determine how many people 652 00:54:52,940 --> 00:54:56,520 been exposed to PFAS from the Bentham site, if any. 653 00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:03,700 There are a lot of people that have unanswered questions about illnesses and 654 00:55:03,700 --> 00:55:05,200 things like that and where they've come from. 655 00:55:06,540 --> 00:55:09,740 I think we need to just get what the truth is. 656 00:55:11,180 --> 00:55:16,640 And all these people of our age, a little bit older, a little bit younger, 657 00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,680 cancer. It's bloody ridiculous. 658 00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,740 It's not normal. 659 00:55:23,220 --> 00:55:24,400 It's quite scary. 660 00:55:25,820 --> 00:55:26,820 It's scary. 661 00:55:27,380 --> 00:55:34,220 For my children and my grandchildren, what's the outcome 662 00:55:34,220 --> 00:55:35,220 for them? 663 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,720 I'd like Angus to own up to what they've been doing. 664 00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:50,180 Pippa Neill has been covering the unfolding situation in Bentham since her 665 00:55:50,180 --> 00:55:53,440 reporting first revealed the contamination at Angus Fire. 666 00:55:56,420 --> 00:56:01,360 Like the scientists, she is trying to get to the bottom of the levels of PFAS 667 00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:02,360 residents' blood. 668 00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:10,760 In particular, she's trying to understand the presence of PFOA, a 669 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:17,320 Angus Fire said that they only ever used trace amounts in their products. If 670 00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:22,180 Angus Fire only ever used trace amounts of PFOA in its products, why has it been 671 00:56:22,180 --> 00:56:26,080 found in really large quantities in the environment? And why is it also being 672 00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:27,540 discovered in residents' blood? 673 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,560 Now she has uncovered a set of emails that suggest some people at the company 674 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,800 were concerned that firefighting foam may break down into PFOA. 675 00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:41,100 Could this account for the high levels of the chemicals found on the site? 676 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:46,880 I've discovered documents that were disclosed by National Foam as part of 677 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,100 class action lawsuit that's happening in the US over PFAS pollution from 678 00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:52,100 firefighting foam. 679 00:56:53,020 --> 00:56:56,680 Class action lawsuit includes National Foam as a defendant. 680 00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:02,280 And National Foam is the US sister company of Angus Fire. And the two 681 00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,620 they are both owned by the same parent company. 682 00:57:05,180 --> 00:57:11,200 Complex emails from National Foam employees from over 20 years ago seem to 683 00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,260 discuss the potential breakdown of PFAS foams into PFOA. 684 00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:24,420 In 2006, the US Environmental Protection Agency said that PFOA was likely to 685 00:57:24,420 --> 00:57:25,880 be carcinogenic in humans. 686 00:57:26,590 --> 00:57:31,030 and advised products containing or breaking down into the chemical should 687 00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:32,030 phased out. 688 00:57:32,550 --> 00:57:38,590 Two years later, an email between two UK -based Angus Fire employees, including 689 00:57:38,590 --> 00:57:43,790 the then technical director, warns that tightening US regulations could hurt 690 00:57:43,790 --> 00:57:44,790 their supply chains. 691 00:57:45,230 --> 00:57:47,910 We showed the emails to Dr. Megson. 692 00:57:49,370 --> 00:57:55,870 The emails clearly state that They are aware their product breaks down into 693 00:57:55,870 --> 00:58:01,890 PFOA. Knowing that your product degrades into this chemical makes me feel quite 694 00:58:01,890 --> 00:58:04,350 uncomfortable that they maybe knew about the risk. 695 00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:09,890 National Foam told us that the emails between the National Foam employees 696 00:58:09,890 --> 00:58:13,950 shows two people talking about foams in general and how they behave in lab 697 00:58:13,950 --> 00:58:14,950 conditions. 698 00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:20,190 Angus Fire says the PFOA measured in people's blood could come from many 699 00:58:20,190 --> 00:58:21,190 different sources. 700 00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:25,360 and has more likely come from consumer items than from Angus Fire. 701 00:58:25,940 --> 00:58:30,280 They say they do not believe the emails contain any materials relevant to the 702 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,060 present situation in Bentham. 703 00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:38,680 The American Science Panel findings linking PFOA to six serious illnesses 704 00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:44,620 published in 2012, but successive Environment Agency reports show that 705 00:58:44,620 --> 00:58:49,080 Fire continued to discharge the chemical from the site for over a decade after 706 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,080 that. 707 00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:55,020 The regulator also documented multiple failings by Angus Fire in their handling 708 00:58:55,020 --> 00:59:00,620 of PFAS Forever chemicals, from leaking wastewater lagoons to faulty drainage, 709 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,680 but they never prosecuted or fined the company. 710 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:10,060 The big challenge for the Environment Agency, for other regulators in England, 711 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:14,620 the UK and globally, is that the science is... 712 00:59:14,860 --> 00:59:20,640 still emerging. There's still uncertainty over the health impacts for 713 00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:21,640 for the environment. 714 00:59:21,820 --> 00:59:28,580 If we are asking or telling an operator to reduce the amount of a chemical or a 715 00:59:28,580 --> 00:59:32,080 PFAS that they're putting into the environment, we've got to be able to 716 00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,420 that because there is a cost involved. 717 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:39,380 But by 2012 it was very clear to... 718 00:59:39,980 --> 00:59:45,680 international scientific community that there were serious health impacts 719 00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,620 connected with these chemicals, particularly of PFOA. 720 00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,800 Was the Environment Agency sleeping on the issue of PFAS? 721 00:59:54,980 --> 00:59:56,240 Not at all. 722 00:59:57,100 --> 01:00:03,100 The Environment Agency's scientists have been looking and advising on the 723 01:00:03,100 --> 01:00:06,640 environmental risks of PFAS for over two decades. 724 01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:08,900 That advice... 725 01:00:09,420 --> 01:00:16,360 was used to help the international community develop a ban on PFOS and 726 01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:17,360 PFOA. 727 01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:23,660 But we've uncovered internal documents which show that by 2024, the regulator 728 01:00:23,660 --> 01:00:29,080 was being warned by experts that the chemicals may have spread, not only 729 01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:34,720 wastewater runoff as previously thought, but in airborne PFAS emissions from 730 01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:35,720 test fires. 731 01:00:37,070 --> 01:00:41,710 and that residents who eat homegrown fruit and veg, grown in contaminated 732 01:00:42,110 --> 01:00:43,450 could be at risk. 733 01:00:44,970 --> 01:00:48,670 We asked why that still hadn't been communicated to the public. 734 01:00:49,230 --> 01:00:55,290 That advice has been shared with other regulators whose responsibility it is to 735 01:00:55,290 --> 01:00:56,410 advise the public on. 736 01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:02,680 health and and mitigation to sort of avoid contact or avoid exposure we can't 737 01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:07,740 advising the public on um sort of elements of human health that's not 738 01:01:07,740 --> 01:01:13,040 expertise and not within our legal remit i mean do you think that something's 739 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:18,720 gone wrong here in the regulation that these chemicals have gotten so far that 740 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,860 they've gotten into people's blood 741 01:01:22,109 --> 01:01:26,410 My heart goes out to those people. I think that, you know, the not knowing, 742 01:01:26,410 --> 01:01:32,570 anxiety is really difficult. The uncertainty of that community and other 743 01:01:32,570 --> 01:01:34,750 communities that we're working with across the country. 744 01:01:35,350 --> 01:01:40,730 It's not a nice place to be. So we've got an awful lot to do from Environment 745 01:01:40,730 --> 01:01:44,370 Agency's point of view. But that includes, as I said, other authorities, 746 01:01:44,370 --> 01:01:48,070 regulators and the government's role as well. So this is not something we are 747 01:01:48,070 --> 01:01:50,410 ignoring. We are very focused on this. 748 01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:57,620 The Environment Agency is currently investigating Angus Fire over PFAS 749 01:01:57,620 --> 01:02:00,060 contamination in and around the Bentham factory. 750 01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:08,520 Back in Bentham, experts have questioned whether locally grown food could be 751 01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,300 causing the contamination found in people's blood. 752 01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,340 I feel heartbroken. 753 01:02:17,260 --> 01:02:22,060 Rules have been broken and people's safety and health has not been taken 754 01:02:22,060 --> 01:02:23,060 consideration. 755 01:02:25,780 --> 01:02:31,100 Blood testing revealed that the level of PFAS in Rachel Woolerton's blood is 34. 756 01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:42,440 So, here is my freezer. 757 01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,120 Let's see what's in here. 758 01:02:46,820 --> 01:02:52,300 full of fruit and vegetables that we've not known what to do with. We've just 759 01:02:52,300 --> 01:02:53,300 been in limbo. 760 01:02:54,400 --> 01:03:01,200 When growing your own produce is part of who you are, to find that your garden 761 01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:07,580 may not be safe to do that is shocking, 762 01:03:07,900 --> 01:03:09,420 totally devastating. 763 01:03:10,620 --> 01:03:14,060 And are we going to eat it? And are we going to have people around? 764 01:03:15,310 --> 01:03:17,750 offer that food to them with a clear conscience. 765 01:03:25,450 --> 01:03:31,210 We're probably going to pay privately to have our soil tested because we need 766 01:03:31,210 --> 01:03:32,210 information. 767 01:03:32,730 --> 01:03:36,210 Other people in the community don't have a budget for any of that. 768 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:45,040 Like most of the people who took part in blood testing, Rachel's house is not 769 01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,420 one of those that backs onto the test -fire site. 770 01:03:48,700 --> 01:03:53,860 If her garden proves to be affected, it could suggest wider contamination than 771 01:03:53,860 --> 01:03:54,880 was originally thought. 772 01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:07,540 Across the UK, concern is growing over the threat posed by Forever Chemicals. 773 01:04:09,900 --> 01:04:14,680 There are thought to be up to 10 ,000 PFAS contaminated hotspots across the 774 01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:18,040 country, many of them linked to firefighting foam. 775 01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:23,320 The Fire Brigade Union has called for urgent action as their members worked 776 01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:24,320 the foam for decades. 777 01:04:26,500 --> 01:04:32,660 Foams containing two of the most researched PFAS chemicals, PFOA and 778 01:04:32,660 --> 01:04:35,160 now banned, but others are still in use. 779 01:04:35,850 --> 01:04:40,090 Some say the UK is years behind the EU in tackling the issue. 780 01:04:40,650 --> 01:04:45,030 There, authorities are proposing a blanket ban on all forever chemicals. 781 01:04:46,690 --> 01:04:51,470 With fears the pollution could be widespread, the government released a 782 01:04:51,470 --> 01:04:53,050 action plan last month. 783 01:04:55,450 --> 01:04:59,890 The fact that the government has woken up to this problem and is actually 784 01:04:59,890 --> 01:05:03,430 setting out a plan promising to do things is an amazing step. 785 01:05:04,490 --> 01:05:08,490 But the reality for me is that this is just a plan to have a plan. 786 01:05:08,770 --> 01:05:13,030 It doesn't really set out any concrete actions that the government will take 787 01:05:13,030 --> 01:05:14,870 today to deal with PFAS pollution. 788 01:05:17,630 --> 01:05:22,210 DEFRA have recently published a PFAS action plan, which was brilliant. We've 789 01:05:22,210 --> 01:05:24,590 been calling for that for several years. 790 01:05:25,010 --> 01:05:29,270 In my opinion, I don't think it really goes far enough. I would have liked to 791 01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:33,540 see more about... the potentially contaminated sites and how we're going 792 01:05:33,540 --> 01:05:34,540 managing them. 793 01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:00,840 It's raised questions in his mind. 794 01:06:04,420 --> 01:06:07,220 This was Christine's last ever photo. 795 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,420 That was Ball's presentation night. 796 01:06:11,940 --> 01:06:18,800 She got up and thanked them all for... thanked me for being her 797 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:19,800 rock. 798 01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,160 And thanked the club for being my rock. 799 01:06:30,980 --> 01:06:34,420 She got breast cancer when she was 50. 800 01:06:37,100 --> 01:06:39,280 But we didn't know about Angus's then. 801 01:06:39,660 --> 01:06:42,580 About the chemicals and what the body was doing. 802 01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,920 It has made me wonder really, but... 803 01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:53,900 Now we just don't know how she got 804 01:06:53,900 --> 01:06:54,900 breast cancer. 805 01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:01,300 Early studies suggest that some PFAS... could be connected to breast cancer 806 01:07:01,300 --> 01:07:03,920 risk, but further research is needed. 807 01:07:05,900 --> 01:07:07,900 I feel sad for Bentham people. 808 01:07:10,100 --> 01:07:11,560 Like that young family. 809 01:07:12,380 --> 01:07:14,740 They must be very anxious with that baby. 810 01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:19,800 So many people are fated by it. 811 01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:27,000 If Angus is closed, there'd be no work for him. So what's the alternative? 812 01:07:47,340 --> 01:07:53,900 You have to try and stay level about it and not be living in fear that my 813 01:07:53,900 --> 01:07:56,660 children might be affected later in life. 814 01:07:57,980 --> 01:08:04,840 You're just desperately hoping that they're not going to be ill from it or 815 01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:08,000 they're not going to develop a cancer related to this. 816 01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:16,000 We are actually planning to move out of Bentham. 817 01:08:17,210 --> 01:08:19,550 There's a lot of reasons why. 818 01:08:21,170 --> 01:08:27,910 If I have the opportunity to move my children away from something that could 819 01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:29,649 cause them harm, you're going to do that. 820 01:08:31,370 --> 01:08:38,290 But, yeah, I just have a concern for 821 01:08:38,290 --> 01:08:42,890 others that can't do that. And I love them, so we're not moving far. 822 01:08:44,330 --> 01:08:45,330 But it is. 823 01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,060 is a factor in our decision making. 824 01:09:12,140 --> 01:09:14,580 And this is Angus Fire on the right now. 825 01:09:18,299 --> 01:09:22,800 It's just a shock how it's all coming out into, you know, contamination. 826 01:09:25,819 --> 01:09:32,340 I think I'm just a bit shocked if my really poor elf has something to do 827 01:09:32,340 --> 01:09:33,640 with it, you know. 828 01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:39,080 I don't blame Angus in any way. 829 01:09:44,279 --> 01:09:46,600 I suppose it's like a lot of things. 830 01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:54,260 You don't know there's a problem until things come to light, you know. 831 01:10:00,380 --> 01:10:02,620 People have asked me, are you going to move? 832 01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:09,780 At the moment, no, I have no intention of moving because I feel that I'm in a 833 01:10:09,780 --> 01:10:11,840 better position now than I've ever been. 834 01:10:13,740 --> 01:10:16,060 Because we're watching now. 835 01:10:16,620 --> 01:10:17,620 There's knowledge. 836 01:10:18,100 --> 01:10:24,840 And being aware that there are potentially 10 ,000 other PFAS sites, 837 01:10:24,900 --> 01:10:28,460 I'd be jumping out of the frying pan into the fire if we sold up and left 838 01:10:29,620 --> 01:10:33,240 Is there a part of you that wishes you didn't know? 839 01:10:34,020 --> 01:10:35,020 Yeah. 840 01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:40,980 I'd love to live in fairyland and think that we... It was just as beautiful as 841 01:10:40,980 --> 01:10:44,260 it looked to eat and breathe and walk. 842 01:10:46,540 --> 01:10:47,540 But I do know. 843 01:10:47,820 --> 01:10:49,160 And I can't pretend that I don't. 844 01:10:50,940 --> 01:10:51,940 Yeah. 72783

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