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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,006 --> 00:00:07,883 How ya doin', Bobby Taylor? 2 00:00:09,051 --> 00:00:12,888 If I ever turned you down seven times for lewd proposals, 3 00:00:12,971 --> 00:00:14,723 I haven't turned you down once. 4 00:00:14,932 --> 00:00:16,058 - Well... - If I were you, Holly, 5 00:00:16,141 --> 00:00:19,645 I'd have taken this man in and had him neutered! 6 00:00:21,063 --> 00:00:22,439 Oh, and, Holly, honey... 7 00:00:22,523 --> 00:00:23,774 - Night. - Thank you. 8 00:00:23,857 --> 00:00:26,485 Or Max's Liquor Store is gonna come and take your home 9 00:00:26,568 --> 00:00:27,486 for the booze bill. 10 00:00:28,529 --> 00:00:30,948 And Mr. Kirby Baker, 11 00:00:31,281 --> 00:00:33,492 our fine real estate executive. 12 00:00:34,660 --> 00:00:35,786 Baker Realty. 13 00:00:36,995 --> 00:00:37,829 Honesty. 14 00:00:38,330 --> 00:00:40,999 Honesty since 1938. 15 00:00:43,710 --> 00:00:44,836 Your secretary, 16 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,630 poor little Gladys Wilmett, 17 00:00:47,089 --> 00:00:48,882 she had to leave town awful sudden. 18 00:00:50,133 --> 00:00:52,928 Had to see a special kind of doctor in Cincinnati. 19 00:00:54,596 --> 00:00:57,474 I know, I know the nights are just so warm 20 00:00:57,558 --> 00:01:00,686 that poor Willie May just had to leave her shades open an inch. 21 00:02:56,927 --> 00:02:57,761 Detective Drowatzky? 22 00:02:59,137 --> 00:03:00,055 Bill Tench. 23 00:03:00,389 --> 00:03:04,101 Bernie. My kids say I look like a cop. 24 00:03:04,726 --> 00:03:05,644 Don't we all? 25 00:03:05,727 --> 00:03:07,396 I'm this way. 26 00:03:07,979 --> 00:03:09,648 Where do you stand on active leads? 27 00:03:09,731 --> 00:03:11,149 Nobody. 28 00:03:11,233 --> 00:03:12,359 Or everybody. 29 00:03:13,110 --> 00:03:15,696 But every time we get a letter, we get a new detail. 30 00:03:16,238 --> 00:03:18,740 Right now, we're tryin' to trace the Xerox machine he uses 31 00:03:18,824 --> 00:03:23,078 by signature marks on the paper edge and... ink diffusion. 32 00:03:23,161 --> 00:03:24,371 Sophisticated work. 33 00:03:24,788 --> 00:03:28,250 I got 20-year street cops who know more about toner than the copy guy. 34 00:03:29,167 --> 00:03:30,919 Could be us spinning our wheels again. 35 00:03:31,002 --> 00:03:33,046 When we get to the station, you can see the letters. 36 00:03:33,130 --> 00:03:34,923 Any of the crime scenes accessible? 37 00:03:35,006 --> 00:03:36,842 All of 'em. They're still vacant. 38 00:03:37,092 --> 00:03:39,469 But we've combed through them pretty good over the years. 39 00:03:39,553 --> 00:03:41,847 It really helps to put the photos in context. 40 00:03:42,514 --> 00:03:43,473 If you don't mind. 41 00:03:44,433 --> 00:03:47,310 Might as well start at the beginning. Otero. 42 00:03:49,146 --> 00:03:50,230 Bit of a drive. 43 00:03:50,814 --> 00:03:52,733 I hope you don't mind a little Willie Nelson. 44 00:03:53,525 --> 00:03:54,568 Not at all. 45 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,545 803 North Edgemoor. 46 00:04:14,379 --> 00:04:15,547 The Otero house. 47 00:04:16,757 --> 00:04:20,552 January 1974. They'd just moved in two months prior. 48 00:04:22,304 --> 00:04:23,472 It was a school day. 49 00:04:23,555 --> 00:04:25,223 Neighbors were comin' and goin' all morning. 50 00:04:26,558 --> 00:04:29,728 One of 'em even saw BTK drive off in the family car afterwards. 51 00:04:35,650 --> 00:04:36,985 Women around here come home, 52 00:04:37,068 --> 00:04:39,237 first thing they do is check the phone still works... 53 00:04:39,905 --> 00:04:41,031 five years later. 54 00:04:56,505 --> 00:05:00,467 We think he came in here. The two kids making their lunches. 55 00:05:00,550 --> 00:05:02,344 The older three had already gone to school. 56 00:05:04,971 --> 00:05:06,765 They had five kids in this house? 57 00:05:07,265 --> 00:05:08,475 Retired military. 58 00:05:08,850 --> 00:05:10,101 Used to base housing. 59 00:05:14,856 --> 00:05:17,984 No forced entry. The dog was in the yard when we got here. 60 00:05:18,068 --> 00:05:21,613 It makes no sense to come into a house with an adult male and a dog. 61 00:05:21,696 --> 00:05:22,697 Nothing makes sense. 62 00:05:23,114 --> 00:05:24,991 He took the money out of Mr. Otero's wallet, 63 00:05:25,075 --> 00:05:28,161 emptied her purse, and stole Mr. Otero's aviator's watch. 64 00:05:28,245 --> 00:05:31,748 - But clearly, robbery was not his motive. - And the driver's licenses were missing. 65 00:05:31,832 --> 00:05:33,792 - Yeah. - He was taking souvenirs. 66 00:05:35,168 --> 00:05:37,921 And he already knew what he wanted on his very first kill. 67 00:05:54,729 --> 00:05:57,816 So the dad would've been about here, tied to the foot of the bed. 68 00:05:58,024 --> 00:06:01,069 Police report said he was suffocated with a plastic bag and a T-shirt? 69 00:06:01,152 --> 00:06:02,445 Later, we found there was a hole in it. 70 00:06:02,529 --> 00:06:04,781 Mr. Otero managed to rip it with his teeth. 71 00:06:05,156 --> 00:06:06,908 The killer took the plastic bag off, 72 00:06:06,992 --> 00:06:09,578 put the T-shirt on over his head so he couldn't tear it again, 73 00:06:09,661 --> 00:06:11,580 and then put the bag back on. 74 00:06:12,414 --> 00:06:13,540 Agonizing. 75 00:06:15,667 --> 00:06:17,210 And Mrs. Otero was on the bed. 76 00:06:18,837 --> 00:06:20,463 She had double ligature marks. 77 00:06:20,547 --> 00:06:22,674 Must have come to, so he had to do it again. 78 00:06:22,757 --> 00:06:25,343 We think that since it was his first try, he botched it. 79 00:06:26,261 --> 00:06:27,971 The kids must've been in here. 80 00:06:30,432 --> 00:06:33,268 They had to have seen everything. 81 00:06:43,737 --> 00:06:45,697 We found the youngest boy on the floor, 82 00:06:46,156 --> 00:06:47,324 suffocated. 83 00:06:47,407 --> 00:06:49,200 Two T-shirts and a bag. 84 00:06:49,451 --> 00:06:52,203 So, the killer learned, took no chances. 85 00:06:52,746 --> 00:06:55,916 He would've brought the little girl in here too. Couldn't leave her alone. 86 00:06:55,999 --> 00:06:59,044 There was a chair here with deep carpet indentations. 87 00:06:59,127 --> 00:07:01,796 We think he sat to watch the boy die. 88 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:03,840 That would have taken...? 89 00:07:03,924 --> 00:07:05,383 Between four and six minutes. 90 00:07:21,316 --> 00:07:23,360 My partner and I were first on the scene. 91 00:07:23,777 --> 00:07:25,445 It was completely dark down here. 92 00:07:26,446 --> 00:07:29,074 He was feeling for a light when something bumped him. 93 00:07:30,617 --> 00:07:32,577 That's when we found the little girl... 94 00:07:33,036 --> 00:07:34,204 hanging from this pipe. 95 00:07:43,296 --> 00:07:44,714 Oh, Jesus. 96 00:07:49,386 --> 00:07:52,305 What happened to the older Otero kids? 97 00:07:52,389 --> 00:07:53,723 Any chance I could talk to them? 98 00:07:53,807 --> 00:07:55,433 Relatives in Albuquerque came and got 'em. 99 00:07:55,850 --> 00:07:57,727 They won't let the kids relive any part of it. 100 00:07:57,811 --> 00:07:59,062 They were the ones who found the bodies. 101 00:07:59,145 --> 00:08:00,355 Cut the ropes 102 00:08:00,438 --> 00:08:01,856 from their parents' necks, tryin' to save 'em. 103 00:08:02,565 --> 00:08:04,526 They call now and again. 104 00:08:05,193 --> 00:08:07,404 Five years later... 105 00:08:07,487 --> 00:08:08,571 I got nothin'. 106 00:08:10,865 --> 00:08:12,450 We kept thinkin' we'd catch him... 107 00:08:12,534 --> 00:08:13,576 just around the corner. 108 00:08:13,660 --> 00:08:16,246 That first week after Otero, not one of us went home. 109 00:08:16,413 --> 00:08:18,832 We turned over every parolee, every sex offender. 110 00:08:18,915 --> 00:08:20,750 My partner and I even stayed over the first three nights. 111 00:08:20,834 --> 00:08:21,668 In the house? 112 00:08:21,751 --> 00:08:23,003 Hoping the killer would come back. 113 00:08:23,086 --> 00:08:24,254 - See anything? - Nothin'. 114 00:08:24,337 --> 00:08:26,381 A month later, we stayed the night in there again. 115 00:08:26,923 --> 00:08:27,799 With a psychic. 116 00:08:27,882 --> 00:08:31,428 You consulted Uri Geller before the FBI? 117 00:08:31,511 --> 00:08:33,680 We were graspin' at anything. 118 00:08:33,805 --> 00:08:35,682 That poor guy got so freaked out. 119 00:08:35,765 --> 00:08:38,101 He was gone the second the sun came up. 120 00:08:39,144 --> 00:08:40,353 So, is that true? 121 00:08:40,437 --> 00:08:42,230 Do these guys return to the scene of the crime? 122 00:08:42,313 --> 00:08:43,690 We were just going on what we'd always heard. 123 00:08:43,773 --> 00:08:44,858 Old detective stories. 124 00:08:44,941 --> 00:08:46,776 The psychopath feels guilty or somethin'. 125 00:08:46,860 --> 00:08:48,611 Ed Kemper, the Coed Killer... 126 00:08:48,945 --> 00:08:49,904 Yeah? 127 00:08:49,988 --> 00:08:54,117 He told us he went back. But not out of anything like guilt. 128 00:08:54,534 --> 00:08:56,411 He considered those places 129 00:08:56,494 --> 00:08:57,537 somehow sacred, 130 00:08:57,620 --> 00:08:59,039 if you can imagine that. 131 00:08:59,122 --> 00:09:02,000 Truthfully, we haven't been asking that question, but we probably should. 132 00:09:03,126 --> 00:09:05,795 Tell me about his letters. They were all sent to the press? 133 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:07,088 Cops actually got spooked. 134 00:09:07,172 --> 00:09:09,090 We wondered: did he know who was workin' the case? 135 00:09:09,174 --> 00:09:10,925 Would he come after us? Our wives? 136 00:09:11,009 --> 00:09:13,511 I had this one sergeant. Ten-year guy, tough. 137 00:09:13,595 --> 00:09:15,346 Slept on his sofa with a shotgun for a year. 138 00:09:16,097 --> 00:09:18,099 Finally, he and his wife relocated. 139 00:09:18,183 --> 00:09:20,435 We've lost a lot of the original task force over the years. 140 00:09:20,518 --> 00:09:22,062 - I bet. - It's hard on guys. 141 00:09:22,479 --> 00:09:24,731 What about the lady he missed? Could I speak with her? 142 00:09:24,814 --> 00:09:27,484 Anna? She moved the next day. 143 00:09:27,859 --> 00:09:29,069 Left everything behind. 144 00:09:29,152 --> 00:09:31,237 - Furniture, everything. - He's clearing out the town. 145 00:09:31,321 --> 00:09:33,448 He's got the whole city twitchin' like prey. 146 00:09:34,115 --> 00:09:35,075 Kathy Bright's brother, 147 00:09:35,158 --> 00:09:36,785 - he's still around. - He's around. 148 00:09:36,868 --> 00:09:39,496 We think that's why BTK never named her as a victim. 149 00:09:39,746 --> 00:09:40,789 He knew he left a witness. 150 00:09:40,872 --> 00:09:43,291 If he hadn't claimed seven, we would never have connected her. 151 00:09:43,374 --> 00:09:45,668 MO's wrong. She was stabbed, Kevin was shot. 152 00:09:46,086 --> 00:09:48,046 But the son of a bitch wants credit for every single one. 153 00:09:48,505 --> 00:09:49,923 I'd like to talk to Kevin. 154 00:09:50,006 --> 00:09:52,801 He took three bullets in the face. 155 00:09:52,884 --> 00:09:55,804 - Spent a year in the hospital. - Is he... reliable? 156 00:09:57,806 --> 00:10:00,100 He's all we got. 157 00:10:02,477 --> 00:10:06,106 You know, I've done undercover drug deals with less skullduggery than this. 158 00:10:06,189 --> 00:10:08,316 He doesn't wanna be seen talkin' to cops. 159 00:10:09,150 --> 00:10:12,195 The safer he feels, the longer he'll stay. 160 00:10:12,403 --> 00:10:15,406 Kevin has good days and bad days. I'm hopin' this one's good. 161 00:10:15,490 --> 00:10:16,699 - That loaded? - Always. 162 00:10:18,284 --> 00:10:20,245 Don't worry, Kevin wouldn't hurt a fly. 163 00:10:20,954 --> 00:10:22,747 Jesus improve your aim? 164 00:10:23,873 --> 00:10:26,376 I'm a woodworker. If I'm pullin' a shotgun, 165 00:10:26,459 --> 00:10:28,795 it's 'cause I'm in a situation where aiming is not an option. 166 00:10:28,878 --> 00:10:31,172 At that point, I'll take all the help I can get. 167 00:10:31,881 --> 00:10:33,716 - This our guy? - That's him. 168 00:10:34,092 --> 00:10:35,969 Can't be a buck-forty soppin' wet. 169 00:10:36,052 --> 00:10:38,638 He's lost a lot of weight. Nerve damage from the shooting. 170 00:10:38,721 --> 00:10:39,973 Remember to face forward. 171 00:10:43,143 --> 00:10:44,602 Hey, Kevin. How you doing? 172 00:10:44,686 --> 00:10:47,230 Could you, uh, please turn the mirror? 173 00:10:50,150 --> 00:10:52,735 I'm, uh... doin' all right... 174 00:10:53,862 --> 00:10:54,696 I guess. 175 00:10:55,530 --> 00:10:58,741 This is Agent Tench. I'm gonna let him ask his questions. 176 00:10:58,825 --> 00:11:00,702 I don't know what else I can tell you. 177 00:11:00,785 --> 00:11:02,245 Thank you for coming, Kevin. 178 00:11:03,079 --> 00:11:05,373 What I'd like to do is ask you some questions, 179 00:11:05,456 --> 00:11:08,376 some of which you've heard before. Some may be new. 180 00:11:08,459 --> 00:11:09,502 I'll listen to your story, 181 00:11:09,586 --> 00:11:11,921 but I'm gonna focus on the suspect's behavior. 182 00:11:12,297 --> 00:11:14,507 I'm gonna ask you to go into a lot of detail. 183 00:11:14,674 --> 00:11:16,801 Everything is important. 184 00:11:19,804 --> 00:11:20,722 All right. 185 00:11:22,098 --> 00:11:24,976 On that Thursday, your sister left her car in the driveway, 186 00:11:25,059 --> 00:11:25,977 is that right? 187 00:11:26,394 --> 00:11:29,147 We were in Dad's truck. I was bringin' her home. 188 00:11:29,981 --> 00:11:31,232 As you approached the house, 189 00:11:31,316 --> 00:11:33,610 did you notice anything different or strange? 190 00:11:33,693 --> 00:11:35,278 No, sir. 191 00:11:35,904 --> 00:11:38,907 Kathy and me were just laughing, talkin' when we walked in. 192 00:11:40,575 --> 00:11:41,576 Then he came out. 193 00:11:42,368 --> 00:11:43,578 Was he aggressive? 194 00:11:43,912 --> 00:11:45,705 Did he seem angry? Jumpy? 195 00:11:45,788 --> 00:11:48,499 Just... real matter-of-fact. 196 00:11:48,833 --> 00:11:52,003 But... like he could be mean underneath. 197 00:11:52,086 --> 00:11:55,340 What do you remember of his clothes, how he was dressed? 198 00:11:55,548 --> 00:11:58,259 I... gave a description. 199 00:11:59,010 --> 00:12:01,679 Black... golf gloves, green jacket. 200 00:12:01,763 --> 00:12:03,264 But how did they seem to you? 201 00:12:03,890 --> 00:12:05,767 Clean, dirty, cheap? 202 00:12:06,893 --> 00:12:10,688 Didn't seem cheap. 203 00:12:11,689 --> 00:12:12,941 The jacket was bulky. 204 00:12:13,316 --> 00:12:14,275 Nice. 205 00:12:15,944 --> 00:12:17,278 Everything was clean. 206 00:12:17,362 --> 00:12:18,404 A lot of pockets. 207 00:12:18,988 --> 00:12:20,323 Did he say anything else? 208 00:12:21,032 --> 00:12:22,992 He said he was a wanted man. 209 00:12:23,576 --> 00:12:24,577 He said, 210 00:12:24,661 --> 00:12:27,914 "I'm wanted in California, and I need to get to New York." 211 00:12:27,997 --> 00:12:29,165 Were you afraid, 212 00:12:29,249 --> 00:12:31,501 or did you think he was telling you the truth? 213 00:12:31,751 --> 00:12:33,628 I figured it was just a robbery. 214 00:12:34,170 --> 00:12:35,505 I gave him the truck keys. 215 00:12:36,547 --> 00:12:38,716 I thought he had what he wanted, so he'd go. 216 00:12:39,926 --> 00:12:40,969 But he didn't. 217 00:12:42,095 --> 00:12:43,846 Did he force you to tie Kathy up? 218 00:12:43,930 --> 00:12:45,556 Didn't... force. 219 00:12:46,140 --> 00:12:47,934 - Just told me. - Told you how? 220 00:12:48,184 --> 00:12:50,436 Real simple. 221 00:12:50,895 --> 00:12:53,231 He made everything sound... reasonable. 222 00:12:53,523 --> 00:12:56,276 Like if we just did this, he was gonna leave. 223 00:12:56,818 --> 00:12:58,945 Where did he get the cord he tied you with? 224 00:12:59,237 --> 00:13:00,655 From his pockets. 225 00:13:02,323 --> 00:13:04,117 I tied Kathy pretty loose. 226 00:13:05,576 --> 00:13:09,455 He made me lie down, and he tied my hands behind my back. 227 00:13:10,081 --> 00:13:11,457 He tied my feet to the bed. 228 00:13:11,541 --> 00:13:13,543 And what was he like when he tied you? 229 00:13:13,626 --> 00:13:16,546 Was he... nervous, flustered? 230 00:13:16,629 --> 00:13:18,339 Uh... not at all. 231 00:13:18,673 --> 00:13:20,174 I watched him tie my feet. 232 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,010 He was fast with knots. 233 00:13:22,093 --> 00:13:24,304 - Like he'd done it before. - Mm-hmm. 234 00:13:24,721 --> 00:13:26,514 Was he rough? Angry? 235 00:13:26,973 --> 00:13:28,182 Did he tie you tight? 236 00:13:29,183 --> 00:13:32,353 He was almost... gentle. 237 00:13:32,437 --> 00:13:33,438 Gentle? 238 00:13:33,521 --> 00:13:34,522 It seemed. 239 00:13:36,649 --> 00:13:40,278 He took a pillow from the bed and put it under my head. 240 00:13:40,778 --> 00:13:41,904 That's interesting. 241 00:13:42,322 --> 00:13:44,615 I want to come back to that, but please continue. 242 00:13:44,699 --> 00:13:48,578 He took Kathy into the other room. 243 00:13:49,620 --> 00:13:53,207 I... couldn't tell what was going on. 244 00:13:55,335 --> 00:13:57,295 Then I heard noises. 245 00:13:57,378 --> 00:13:58,796 What kind of noises? 246 00:14:01,090 --> 00:14:03,718 Not... moans, 247 00:14:05,053 --> 00:14:07,013 almost little cries. 248 00:14:09,557 --> 00:14:11,476 Then it got real quiet. 249 00:14:14,812 --> 00:14:16,564 And I couldn't hear him anymore. 250 00:14:19,692 --> 00:14:23,196 All of a sudden, a radio came on in my room, loud. 251 00:14:23,488 --> 00:14:26,574 And he put something around my neck, and he started pulling. 252 00:14:26,783 --> 00:14:27,950 It was so fast. 253 00:14:28,034 --> 00:14:29,410 What did you do? 254 00:14:29,494 --> 00:14:31,871 I just started kicking and twisting. 255 00:14:32,580 --> 00:14:34,832 I... I knew right then, he was gonna kill me. 256 00:14:35,041 --> 00:14:37,543 When he was strangling you, did he say anything? 257 00:14:38,586 --> 00:14:39,962 Uh... no. 258 00:14:42,548 --> 00:14:44,092 Kevin, this is important. 259 00:14:44,675 --> 00:14:48,429 At any time, when he was tying you up or when he was strangling you, 260 00:14:48,930 --> 00:14:51,474 could you tell if he had an erection? 261 00:14:51,849 --> 00:14:54,936 Uh... 262 00:14:55,895 --> 00:14:57,021 I don't know. 263 00:14:57,313 --> 00:14:59,482 I... I couldn't see. 264 00:14:59,565 --> 00:15:00,441 That's all right. 265 00:15:00,983 --> 00:15:01,943 How'd you get away? 266 00:15:02,485 --> 00:15:05,947 I was thrashing around so much, my feet broke loose. 267 00:15:06,197 --> 00:15:08,616 I stood up. I got my hands free. 268 00:15:09,450 --> 00:15:11,911 I saw him go for the gun. 269 00:15:11,994 --> 00:15:13,079 I grabbed at it. 270 00:15:13,538 --> 00:15:14,580 We fought for it. 271 00:15:15,665 --> 00:15:17,750 I got it turned. 272 00:15:18,793 --> 00:15:23,005 I had it right at his stomach. I... I pulled the trigger twice, 273 00:15:23,089 --> 00:15:24,715 as hard as I could, but it wouldn't go off. 274 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:26,008 He'd have had the safety on. 275 00:15:26,092 --> 00:15:28,052 Everything would be different if I had only shot him. 276 00:15:28,136 --> 00:15:30,012 There's no way you could've gotten the safety off 277 00:15:30,096 --> 00:15:32,223 and shot him with him pulling on the gun. 278 00:15:32,432 --> 00:15:34,142 I guess it slipped out of my hands 279 00:15:34,225 --> 00:15:37,061 'cause he had it, and he pulled the trigger. 280 00:15:37,562 --> 00:15:39,480 First bullet grazed my face. 281 00:15:39,856 --> 00:15:42,859 The second one went in the side of my head. 282 00:15:43,443 --> 00:15:46,362 That's when I... hit the floor. 283 00:15:46,696 --> 00:15:48,781 - Did you pass out? - Uh-uh. 284 00:15:50,908 --> 00:15:51,909 I never did. 285 00:15:53,494 --> 00:15:55,496 I was awake the whole time. 286 00:15:57,498 --> 00:15:59,125 I decided to play dead. 287 00:15:59,542 --> 00:16:03,087 - What did you hear next? - Kathy... moan. 288 00:16:04,589 --> 00:16:06,090 I heard him grunting. 289 00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:09,260 And I was in there playing possum. 290 00:16:09,343 --> 00:16:10,470 It's okay, Kevin. 291 00:16:14,098 --> 00:16:18,102 He must have heard me move because he was on me again. 292 00:16:18,186 --> 00:16:20,730 He shot me. Blew my teeth out. 293 00:16:20,813 --> 00:16:23,816 Then he went back to Kathy. 294 00:16:25,860 --> 00:16:27,737 I... could barely stand. 295 00:16:28,613 --> 00:16:30,740 The radio was so loud. 296 00:16:30,823 --> 00:16:32,366 There was blood everywhere. 297 00:16:32,909 --> 00:16:35,453 I looked around, you know, for something to hit him with, 298 00:16:35,536 --> 00:16:37,330 but I thought... 299 00:16:37,872 --> 00:16:41,292 ...the best chance was to get help. 300 00:16:41,709 --> 00:16:42,752 So you ran. 301 00:16:43,294 --> 00:16:45,671 Uh-huh. 302 00:16:46,422 --> 00:16:48,674 - Yeah. - It's the best thing you coulda done. 303 00:16:48,758 --> 00:16:50,510 I coulda gone back in there! 304 00:16:50,593 --> 00:16:52,011 We would've lost you both. 305 00:16:56,974 --> 00:16:57,975 Kevin, thank you. 306 00:16:58,768 --> 00:17:01,812 If you think of anything else, any detail... 307 00:17:01,896 --> 00:17:02,772 No. 308 00:17:03,731 --> 00:17:06,025 Um... He wore a watch. 309 00:17:06,984 --> 00:17:10,988 Yeah, a... a big, steel, military kind. 310 00:17:22,124 --> 00:17:24,001 Was it at all similar to this one? 311 00:17:28,005 --> 00:17:29,131 It looked like that. 312 00:17:30,007 --> 00:17:31,342 Joseph Otero's watch. 313 00:17:31,425 --> 00:17:34,136 That's that family, right? It's him, isn't it? 314 00:17:34,220 --> 00:17:35,054 BTK. 315 00:17:35,137 --> 00:17:37,890 He bragged about a fifth victim, but he never named her. 316 00:17:38,391 --> 00:17:39,475 We think it was Kathy. 317 00:17:39,559 --> 00:17:41,936 I told you, he'd done this before. 318 00:17:42,019 --> 00:17:43,479 He knew what he was doing! 319 00:17:43,563 --> 00:17:45,690 I... I don't have brain damage like they say. 320 00:17:45,773 --> 00:17:47,483 - I just get tired! - We believe you. 321 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:50,486 - And we'll catch him. - I can't wait for that. 322 00:17:50,570 --> 00:17:52,405 - What do you mean? - I saw his face! 323 00:17:52,488 --> 00:17:53,781 He knows I'm out here. 324 00:17:53,864 --> 00:17:56,617 Every time I walk into a store, every time somebody walks into a room. 325 00:17:56,701 --> 00:17:58,995 - Even at church. - This guy does not go to church. 326 00:17:59,078 --> 00:18:01,163 - Where are you gonna go, Kevin? - Just... away. 327 00:18:11,132 --> 00:18:12,550 Can't say that I blame him. 328 00:19:41,597 --> 00:19:42,682 Nance? 329 00:19:43,307 --> 00:19:44,934 - Uh, what's wrong? - Nothing. 330 00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:45,976 It's okay. 331 00:19:46,644 --> 00:19:48,729 Honey, did you leave the back door open? 332 00:19:49,438 --> 00:19:51,482 I was taking out the trash. Brian couldn't sleep. 333 00:19:51,565 --> 00:19:52,942 Are you... Are you coming to bed? 334 00:19:53,526 --> 00:19:55,361 - I'll be in soon. - All right. 335 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,266 Wendy's almost ready to meet for those Georgia interviews. 336 00:20:25,474 --> 00:20:26,600 Right. 337 00:20:32,231 --> 00:20:34,233 - BTK. - He's a new animal. 338 00:20:34,316 --> 00:20:37,153 - Lots of interesting contradictions. - You mind? 339 00:20:43,451 --> 00:20:47,621 He brought the little girl to the basement and constructed a ritualized execution. 340 00:20:48,456 --> 00:20:49,623 That took time. 341 00:20:51,167 --> 00:20:52,668 This was a big risk. 342 00:20:53,252 --> 00:20:54,879 Her scene is the only one with semen present. 343 00:20:54,962 --> 00:20:56,505 She was clearly his primary interest. 344 00:20:56,589 --> 00:20:59,049 The rest of the family is just... collateral. 345 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,678 He only expected the mother and youngest daughter to be home. 346 00:21:03,179 --> 00:21:04,138 But he learns. 347 00:21:04,597 --> 00:21:06,599 After the Oteros, all of his victims are women. 348 00:21:06,682 --> 00:21:09,643 None of the men were at home, except for your witness, Bright's brother. 349 00:21:09,727 --> 00:21:10,853 Kevin wasn't expected either. 350 00:21:10,936 --> 00:21:14,190 So BTK changes his MO, and that's why he stabs the sister. 351 00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:17,818 What's amazing is even though he was surprised 352 00:21:17,902 --> 00:21:19,904 during the Bright and Otero murders, 353 00:21:21,822 --> 00:21:24,575 he somehow manages to overcome his own panic. 354 00:21:24,658 --> 00:21:26,035 Imagine the adrenaline. 355 00:21:26,118 --> 00:21:29,455 You've planned for a petite woman and an eleven-year-old girl. 356 00:21:29,538 --> 00:21:31,332 And all of a sudden, you got a barking dog, 357 00:21:31,415 --> 00:21:34,001 another child, and a retired master sergeant. 358 00:21:34,460 --> 00:21:36,921 But he didn't run. He took his time. 359 00:21:37,755 --> 00:21:39,340 Maybe Otero wasn't his first. 360 00:21:39,423 --> 00:21:41,550 Too many rookie mistakes. It was his first. 361 00:21:41,634 --> 00:21:44,595 But I also think that he was exceptionally prepared. 362 00:21:44,678 --> 00:21:45,513 He practiced? 363 00:21:45,596 --> 00:21:48,265 Remember Kemper practiced on dolls, animals. 364 00:21:48,766 --> 00:21:50,100 He spent years fantasizing, 365 00:21:50,184 --> 00:21:52,186 so he knew exactly how he was going to do it 366 00:21:52,269 --> 00:21:53,562 when the time came. 367 00:21:53,646 --> 00:21:55,481 There's no way our guy doesn't have a rap sheet. 368 00:21:55,564 --> 00:21:56,524 Animal abuse, 369 00:21:56,607 --> 00:21:59,151 maybe peeping neighborhood girls, assaulting prostitutes. 370 00:21:59,235 --> 00:22:00,736 So what have we got so far? 371 00:22:00,861 --> 00:22:03,239 White male, late 20s to early 30s, 372 00:22:03,322 --> 00:22:05,658 rap sheet, possible assault complaints. 373 00:22:05,741 --> 00:22:07,034 High school education at best. 374 00:22:07,117 --> 00:22:09,119 Has difficulty holding more than a menial job. 375 00:22:09,203 --> 00:22:12,122 Kevin said he smelled "clean." His clothes were nice. 376 00:22:12,206 --> 00:22:13,874 He wasn't angry or harsh. 377 00:22:13,958 --> 00:22:17,378 He sounds almost as ordinary and suburban as the victim pool. 378 00:22:17,461 --> 00:22:20,130 Everyone we've interviewed is a product of a difficult home 379 00:22:20,214 --> 00:22:21,549 and a string of adult failures. 380 00:22:21,632 --> 00:22:23,676 - Hmm. - They're all emotionally scarred. 381 00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:27,096 The only one who managed to keep a job was Brudos, and he was blue-collar. 382 00:22:27,179 --> 00:22:28,389 What about his letters 383 00:22:28,472 --> 00:22:30,307 that he writes to the newspaper? 384 00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:34,645 He's equating himself with famous killers. 385 00:22:35,521 --> 00:22:38,274 "Son of Sam," "Jack the Ripper," "Ted of the West Coast." 386 00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:40,067 That's gotta be Bundy. Who's Glatman? 387 00:22:40,150 --> 00:22:42,778 Harvey. Famous for binding and strangling women in the '50s. 388 00:22:42,862 --> 00:22:45,114 - Of course you know that. - He's studying them. 389 00:22:45,197 --> 00:22:46,949 Modeling himself after them. 390 00:22:47,032 --> 00:22:47,992 Look at this page. 391 00:22:48,242 --> 00:22:50,369 He actually gives himself possible names. 392 00:22:50,911 --> 00:22:52,037 "I like the following. 393 00:22:52,288 --> 00:22:53,247 How about you? 394 00:22:53,330 --> 00:22:55,499 'The BTK Strangler, ' 395 00:22:55,583 --> 00:22:59,003 'Wichita Strangler, ' 'Wichita Executioner.'" 396 00:22:59,086 --> 00:23:01,171 He's christening himself for the media. 397 00:23:01,255 --> 00:23:04,550 Like Zodiac, or Berkowitz naming himself "Son of Sam." 398 00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:08,178 Berkowitz also courted the press. He wrote directly to Jimmy Breslin. 399 00:23:08,554 --> 00:23:11,223 Berkowitz also gave himself a symbol with initials. 400 00:23:11,307 --> 00:23:13,350 He used it on every letter he wrote. 401 00:23:13,434 --> 00:23:14,393 Right. 402 00:23:15,102 --> 00:23:16,186 It had a cross on the top. 403 00:23:18,272 --> 00:23:19,148 Like this. 404 00:23:20,816 --> 00:23:21,901 Look at our guy. 405 00:23:27,740 --> 00:23:29,408 We have to talk to the chubby behemoth. 406 00:23:30,159 --> 00:23:33,037 This is what we're doing now? Rearranging our interviews 407 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:34,580 to service investigations? 408 00:23:34,663 --> 00:23:36,540 Because all of our subjects are important. 409 00:23:36,624 --> 00:23:38,500 Berkowitz has been on the list since the beginning. 410 00:23:38,584 --> 00:23:41,754 Maybe, but we need to discuss where he fits into our analysis. 411 00:23:42,421 --> 00:23:44,173 I mean, he's a diagnosed schizophrenic. 412 00:23:44,256 --> 00:23:45,341 So was Kemper as a juvenile. 413 00:23:45,424 --> 00:23:48,594 We need to at least consider that Berkowitz is a blitz killer. 414 00:23:49,136 --> 00:23:52,681 He exhibits none of Kemper or Brudos' psycho-sexual motivations. 415 00:23:52,765 --> 00:23:55,976 By his own account, he walked up to cars, fired five shots, and then ran. 416 00:23:56,060 --> 00:23:58,020 I can't see how anything lasting 19 seconds 417 00:23:58,103 --> 00:24:00,022 could allow for sexual gratification. 418 00:24:00,105 --> 00:24:04,443 Well, we know BTK is inspired by Berkowitz. 419 00:24:04,985 --> 00:24:07,738 And we know BTK kills for sexual fulfillment. 420 00:24:08,197 --> 00:24:10,240 And he's active. Seven so far. 421 00:24:10,324 --> 00:24:11,492 And he's hunting again. 422 00:24:12,034 --> 00:24:14,036 Either of these Georgia boys up for the chair? 423 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,913 - Hance is on death row. - On appeal. 424 00:24:15,996 --> 00:24:17,957 Plenty of time. We'll push them off a week. 425 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,458 I'll put together the research. Gregg, 426 00:24:19,541 --> 00:24:21,043 - can you change the flights? - Sure. 427 00:24:31,971 --> 00:24:33,097 This is what we're doin' now. 428 00:24:35,724 --> 00:24:36,725 What? 429 00:24:40,771 --> 00:24:42,690 This doesn't seem like your scene. 430 00:24:43,107 --> 00:24:44,316 Holden brought me here. 431 00:24:44,525 --> 00:24:46,276 Doesn't seem like Holden's scene. 432 00:24:47,778 --> 00:24:49,571 Look, I won't usually betray a confidence, 433 00:24:50,364 --> 00:24:53,075 but when Holden disappeared those two days, 434 00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:54,868 he went to see Kemper. 435 00:24:54,952 --> 00:24:57,287 Now, whatever happened during that visit precipitated... 436 00:24:57,371 --> 00:24:58,205 Panic attacks. 437 00:24:58,288 --> 00:25:00,624 - You knew? - I had to retrieve his ass. 438 00:25:01,166 --> 00:25:03,836 I'm really sorry I didn't tell you. I thought the last thing we need 439 00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:05,921 is for Holden to have everyone walking on eggshells around here. 440 00:25:06,005 --> 00:25:07,840 Quite frankly, Bill, this demands our attention. 441 00:25:07,923 --> 00:25:11,385 He had an episode. Even the doctor said it feels worse than it is. 442 00:25:11,468 --> 00:25:13,679 Panic attacks may not be brought on by anything real, 443 00:25:13,762 --> 00:25:15,139 but their effects are very real. 444 00:25:15,597 --> 00:25:17,683 Whether you think Holden deserves your sympathy or not, 445 00:25:17,766 --> 00:25:19,768 this could have serious consequences for us 446 00:25:19,852 --> 00:25:22,646 and very real physiological consequences for him. 447 00:25:22,730 --> 00:25:23,731 You're right. 448 00:25:24,648 --> 00:25:26,275 - Does Gunn know about this? - No. 449 00:25:26,525 --> 00:25:29,862 He's based his vision and his largesse on the Holden Ford miracle. 450 00:25:29,945 --> 00:25:32,031 I couldn't tell him Boy Wonder has the vapors. 451 00:25:32,114 --> 00:25:34,616 - We might not be worth salvaging... - With this Berkowitz interview, 452 00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:36,452 you have got to take the lead. 453 00:25:36,535 --> 00:25:38,412 He's gonna be walking in there in a heightened state, 454 00:25:38,495 --> 00:25:41,290 knowing that he's got one shot at the killer on the cover of Newsweek. 455 00:25:41,707 --> 00:25:44,668 He'll be anxious, vulnerable, and that could prime him for an episode. 456 00:25:44,752 --> 00:25:46,837 The last time he was in the room with a serial killer, 457 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,964 he ended up chained to a hospital bed. What do I do? 458 00:25:49,048 --> 00:25:49,882 Be observant. 459 00:25:49,965 --> 00:25:53,260 Apart from the obvious physical cues, an attack can manifest dozens of ways. 460 00:25:53,343 --> 00:25:56,138 So if he seems manic or overly nervous, fragile... 461 00:25:56,221 --> 00:25:57,514 Should I carry smelling salts? 462 00:25:57,598 --> 00:25:58,474 It's not a joke. 463 00:25:58,557 --> 00:26:01,143 If you see one hint, you get him out of there. 464 00:26:01,226 --> 00:26:04,646 Whatever you feel about Holden's health, if he blows this with Berkowitz, 465 00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:06,482 Gunn will rethink his investment. 466 00:26:07,024 --> 00:26:09,902 And from now on, there needs to be transparency between us. 467 00:26:09,985 --> 00:26:12,196 Whatever is going on with him, we both know about it. 468 00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:13,238 Two-way street. 469 00:26:13,322 --> 00:26:14,239 Deal. 470 00:26:23,207 --> 00:26:24,333 I'll get our next one. 471 00:26:24,416 --> 00:26:26,335 - I feel like I owe you. - I got it. 472 00:26:30,964 --> 00:26:32,800 - Another round? - Gorgeous. 473 00:26:33,467 --> 00:26:35,719 - Mm! - Yeah. Thank you. 474 00:26:35,803 --> 00:26:37,012 Let me get that for you. 475 00:26:37,346 --> 00:26:38,222 Leave her alone, Gary. 476 00:26:38,305 --> 00:26:40,516 She's with General Patton over there. 477 00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:42,392 Well, you keep blowing me off, Kay! 478 00:26:42,476 --> 00:26:45,979 How else is a red-blooded American patriot supposed to spend his hard-earned pay? 479 00:26:46,063 --> 00:26:48,232 I'm sure you don't need any help coming up with ideas. 480 00:26:48,315 --> 00:26:50,109 What if I promise to take you out of here 481 00:26:50,192 --> 00:26:51,860 and away from all these assholes? 482 00:26:51,944 --> 00:26:53,862 - What's your name, Marine? - Eric. 483 00:26:54,238 --> 00:26:56,240 Did you just get into Quantico, Eric? 484 00:26:56,323 --> 00:26:57,241 Yes, ma'am. 485 00:26:57,324 --> 00:26:59,243 Why don't you help me through my first long night? 486 00:26:59,326 --> 00:27:00,702 Oh, Eric, you are new here. 487 00:27:01,286 --> 00:27:03,038 These boys put you up to it, didn't they? 488 00:27:03,122 --> 00:27:05,999 Sadly, you are warming up the bat all by yourself tonight. 489 00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:09,211 I play for the other team. 490 00:27:10,546 --> 00:27:11,588 If she's bent, 491 00:27:11,672 --> 00:27:12,798 so are Christie Brinkley and Brooke Shields. 492 00:27:12,881 --> 00:27:14,925 - Well, I'd watch that pillow fight. - Same tab? 493 00:27:16,135 --> 00:27:17,511 No, I've got this one. 494 00:27:21,598 --> 00:27:22,599 That really work? 495 00:27:23,308 --> 00:27:24,768 People see what they wanna see. 496 00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:26,895 Let me know if I can get you anything else. 497 00:27:26,979 --> 00:27:28,730 - Thanks. - Thanks for dropping by. 498 00:27:29,314 --> 00:27:31,316 Eyes forward, maggots. 499 00:27:34,903 --> 00:27:38,365 Six killed, seven wounded. Biggest manhunt in US history. 500 00:27:38,448 --> 00:27:41,660 And he says a demon inhabiting a neighbor's dog made him do it. 501 00:27:41,743 --> 00:27:44,163 Do we really buy that? 502 00:27:44,246 --> 00:27:45,873 On the surface, the crimes appear random, 503 00:27:45,956 --> 00:27:49,751 but... I'm not sure he's the madman he makes himself out to be. 504 00:27:50,127 --> 00:27:52,254 There's just enough pattern to show intention. 505 00:27:52,337 --> 00:27:55,090 He always shot at women or women in the company of men. 506 00:27:55,174 --> 00:27:58,010 And when he shot at couples in cars, he always shot at the passenger side. 507 00:27:58,093 --> 00:28:00,387 That was used to support the "random" argument. 508 00:28:00,470 --> 00:28:03,765 It's the side closest to the sidewalk. No planning, no strategy. 509 00:28:03,849 --> 00:28:04,725 Just shoot. 510 00:28:05,142 --> 00:28:07,936 But in couples, the male is usually the driver. 511 00:28:09,188 --> 00:28:12,274 He never shot at the driver's side. He unleashed everything on the... 512 00:28:13,025 --> 00:28:14,443 woman's side of the vehicle. 513 00:29:09,873 --> 00:29:12,334 I'm surprised the FBI hasn't come sooner. 514 00:29:13,335 --> 00:29:16,213 The night I was arrested, the mayor came to see me. 515 00:29:16,797 --> 00:29:19,007 He came down to my cell in the middle of the night. 516 00:29:19,091 --> 00:29:20,842 We fit you in as soon as we could. 517 00:29:23,512 --> 00:29:25,347 So, you're talking to other people? 518 00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:26,265 A few. 519 00:29:27,182 --> 00:29:28,934 But no one who's done what you did. 520 00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:32,312 You held an entire city in thrall. 521 00:29:33,188 --> 00:29:36,024 Girls got their hair cut so you wouldn't single them out. 522 00:29:36,233 --> 00:29:37,651 Discos closed early. 523 00:29:38,026 --> 00:29:40,737 It was the largest task force New York ever assembled. 524 00:29:41,697 --> 00:29:43,115 A hundred years from now, 525 00:29:43,198 --> 00:29:45,909 people will still know the name Son of Sam. 526 00:29:47,244 --> 00:29:49,663 I always say, if you want to learn how to paint, 527 00:29:50,914 --> 00:29:52,249 go straight to the artist. 528 00:29:53,959 --> 00:29:56,211 - What does that mean? - You got so much publicity, 529 00:29:56,295 --> 00:29:58,797 there's a killer out in Kansas who idolizes you. 530 00:29:59,589 --> 00:30:01,425 He's writing letters to the press. 531 00:30:01,508 --> 00:30:03,010 And he's writing about you. 532 00:30:05,971 --> 00:30:09,141 - Is he shitting me? - Guy's killed seven so far. 533 00:30:09,224 --> 00:30:11,143 He even made a symbol. Show him the thing. 534 00:30:21,570 --> 00:30:22,487 What is that? Boobs? 535 00:30:23,030 --> 00:30:23,905 It's a B. 536 00:30:24,865 --> 00:30:27,826 - This is a complete rip-off. - That's what we think. 537 00:30:30,245 --> 00:30:31,163 How's he kill 'em? 538 00:30:31,955 --> 00:30:34,833 He breaks into houses, ties 'em up, strangles 'em. 539 00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:37,210 Calls himself BTK. 540 00:30:37,294 --> 00:30:38,587 For Bind, Torture, Kill. 541 00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:41,173 David, why did you name yourself? 542 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,759 "I am the Son of Sam. 543 00:30:44,509 --> 00:30:47,220 Go out and kill, commands father Sam." 544 00:30:52,059 --> 00:30:55,103 The press had called me the ".44 Caliber Killer." 545 00:30:55,771 --> 00:30:58,357 They had this absurd theory 546 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,776 the gun somehow symbolized my penis. 547 00:31:02,235 --> 00:31:04,154 I'm not some crazed sex killer. 548 00:31:05,072 --> 00:31:07,783 I needed a name that explained who I really was. 549 00:31:08,158 --> 00:31:11,453 That I was being controlled by a 3,000-year-old demon. 550 00:31:12,537 --> 00:31:14,581 People need to know demons are real. 551 00:31:15,165 --> 00:31:17,834 The Exorcist is based on actual shit. 552 00:31:17,918 --> 00:31:19,044 You saw The Exorcist? 553 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:20,837 Everyone did. 554 00:31:21,254 --> 00:31:24,383 You read a lot about demons and exorcisms before the killings? 555 00:31:26,218 --> 00:31:27,219 Maybe. 556 00:31:27,302 --> 00:31:30,430 Let's go to the first attack. We're fascinated by your mindset... 557 00:31:30,514 --> 00:31:31,598 You're adopted, aren't you? 558 00:31:38,271 --> 00:31:41,775 Yeah. Just before this all started, 559 00:31:42,401 --> 00:31:44,361 I traced my biological mother. 560 00:31:44,444 --> 00:31:46,988 - Found out she never wanted me. - That must've been hard. 561 00:31:47,697 --> 00:31:50,325 My adoptive mother told me my real mother died. 562 00:31:50,742 --> 00:31:52,661 That often happens with adopted kids. 563 00:31:55,580 --> 00:31:56,957 Well, I was illegitimate. 564 00:31:57,749 --> 00:31:58,625 They both lied. 565 00:32:00,669 --> 00:32:02,838 That's about when I started hearing voices. 566 00:32:02,921 --> 00:32:04,131 The "demons." 567 00:32:06,967 --> 00:32:08,927 How do you know when you have a demon? 568 00:32:09,177 --> 00:32:10,137 Are there symptoms? 569 00:32:12,681 --> 00:32:14,724 Possession isn't just 570 00:32:14,808 --> 00:32:16,518 what you see on the outside. 571 00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:19,938 The torment inside is horrible. 572 00:32:20,772 --> 00:32:23,066 Demons are powerful beings. 573 00:32:23,150 --> 00:32:26,570 They use your own voice, your own thoughts against you. 574 00:32:27,195 --> 00:32:28,738 They make you think you're crazy. 575 00:32:29,239 --> 00:32:32,325 When they get strong enough, they speak their name out loud. 576 00:32:32,409 --> 00:32:36,204 And once they've done that, they are in complete control. 577 00:32:36,496 --> 00:32:38,665 So, now you know you've got a demon... 578 00:32:39,708 --> 00:32:40,667 What did you do? 579 00:32:41,793 --> 00:32:44,379 I quit my job and locked myself in my apartment. 580 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,674 For a month, I stayed home listening, preparing... 581 00:32:47,757 --> 00:32:49,593 Listening? To what exactly? 582 00:32:52,637 --> 00:32:54,222 My neighbor, Sam, had a dog. 583 00:32:54,306 --> 00:32:56,183 Every night, 584 00:32:56,266 --> 00:32:57,809 this dog would howl. 585 00:32:58,143 --> 00:32:59,936 He would not shut up. 586 00:33:00,353 --> 00:33:02,314 He kept saying he needed blood. 587 00:33:02,397 --> 00:33:03,899 He demanded blood. 588 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,526 I had no choice. 589 00:33:06,610 --> 00:33:10,155 That writing on your apartment walls, what was that about? 590 00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:16,745 Sometimes the voices came from inside the walls. 591 00:33:17,204 --> 00:33:18,538 So, not from a dog? 592 00:33:19,664 --> 00:33:21,208 I'm just trying to keep it all straight. 593 00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:23,335 They tormented me. 594 00:33:23,418 --> 00:33:25,420 I would tear the walls open looking for 'em. 595 00:33:25,504 --> 00:33:28,632 Was that about the time you saw The Exorcist and read your books? 596 00:33:30,217 --> 00:33:32,010 - Around then. - I'm curious. 597 00:33:32,093 --> 00:33:34,554 You had this history of demonic voices, 598 00:33:34,638 --> 00:33:35,722 psychotic episodes. 599 00:33:36,431 --> 00:33:39,059 Why not plead not guilty by reason of insanity? 600 00:33:39,142 --> 00:33:42,604 Why plead guilty and never get a trial where you could explain your demons? 601 00:33:42,687 --> 00:33:44,648 Because I am not insane. 602 00:33:44,898 --> 00:33:47,275 I can't pretend to be insane. 603 00:33:48,193 --> 00:33:51,238 I knew it was wrong, but they made me do it. 604 00:33:51,321 --> 00:33:55,075 Hearing demons is quite possibly the textbook definition of insanity. 605 00:33:55,158 --> 00:33:57,118 They came to me, not from me. 606 00:33:57,202 --> 00:34:00,121 Sorry to dwell on it, but it is the part that fascinates people. 607 00:34:00,205 --> 00:34:04,459 You know, two people are writing books. Your neighbor and some guy 608 00:34:04,543 --> 00:34:06,836 you gave your life rights to for whatever reason. 609 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,421 I'm in a legal dispute with him. 610 00:34:08,505 --> 00:34:10,257 That book is gonna move like Big Macs. 611 00:34:10,340 --> 00:34:12,676 A guy who talks to dogs, hears demons. 612 00:34:13,969 --> 00:34:15,428 Crazy sells, man. 613 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,182 He makes any proceeds off the book, right? 614 00:34:19,641 --> 00:34:22,477 - The guy with your life rights? - Like I said, it's a legal dispute. 615 00:34:22,561 --> 00:34:23,979 I can't discuss the details. 616 00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:25,522 Oh, I bet it is. 617 00:34:26,314 --> 00:34:29,484 The voices don't interfere with talking to your lawyer, do they? 618 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,576 It's a crock, isn't it? 619 00:34:39,578 --> 00:34:41,413 There's no voices, no demon. 620 00:34:42,789 --> 00:34:43,665 The dog doesn't talk. 621 00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:48,044 You saw a movie, read some books, and made it all up. 622 00:34:48,128 --> 00:34:49,796 So if everything went to shit... 623 00:34:50,213 --> 00:34:51,047 you'd have a way out. 624 00:34:52,382 --> 00:34:54,009 Do you want to forever be known at the FBI 625 00:34:54,092 --> 00:34:57,178 as the guy who let a Labrador land him in jail for the rest of his shitty life? 626 00:35:00,140 --> 00:35:03,351 They all bought it, David, didn't they? 627 00:35:05,061 --> 00:35:06,271 Even the shrinks. 628 00:35:13,528 --> 00:35:14,988 Especially the shrinks. 629 00:35:16,656 --> 00:35:18,617 Hell, I believed some of it. 630 00:35:19,993 --> 00:35:21,453 I'm very suggestible. 631 00:35:21,536 --> 00:35:23,204 Did you wanna hear voices? 632 00:35:23,288 --> 00:35:24,789 I kept reading about 'em. 633 00:35:24,873 --> 00:35:27,000 They got kinda tied up with my fantasies. 634 00:35:27,083 --> 00:35:28,752 What fantasies are those? 635 00:35:28,835 --> 00:35:30,545 Girls. Revenge. 636 00:35:30,629 --> 00:35:32,714 I'm what you call a "sex-starved daydreamer." 637 00:35:33,965 --> 00:35:35,800 That... That's just me. That's not clinical. 638 00:35:35,884 --> 00:35:38,803 - When did these fantasies start? - When I was a teenager. 639 00:35:39,220 --> 00:35:42,223 But even now, I still spend most of my time fantasizing. 640 00:35:44,768 --> 00:35:47,437 My killings were not sex crimes. 641 00:35:48,063 --> 00:35:49,856 I never wanted to rape anybody. 642 00:35:50,398 --> 00:35:51,691 I just wanted to kill 'em. 643 00:35:52,233 --> 00:35:55,612 Voices helped me justify what I already wanted to do. 644 00:35:55,695 --> 00:35:57,614 How did you find them? Your victims? 645 00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,699 Just started driving. 646 00:35:59,783 --> 00:36:01,660 - Driving? - All the time. 647 00:36:01,743 --> 00:36:02,661 Lookin' for girls. 648 00:36:02,744 --> 00:36:05,497 So you never picked anyone out in advance and surveilled them? 649 00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:08,333 No. I never knew who it would be. 650 00:36:08,792 --> 00:36:10,043 Is that what Kansas does? 651 00:36:10,126 --> 00:36:11,670 We think so from his letters. 652 00:36:11,753 --> 00:36:13,463 I just drove and drove. 653 00:36:13,546 --> 00:36:15,131 I'll bet he does too, Kansas. 654 00:36:16,383 --> 00:36:18,176 Gotta have a reliable car. 655 00:36:18,635 --> 00:36:19,761 And I was cunning. 656 00:36:19,844 --> 00:36:21,846 I studied maps, escape routes. 657 00:36:21,930 --> 00:36:24,933 I carried my gun, a roll of quarters for parking. 658 00:36:26,017 --> 00:36:27,727 You never know when it might come together. 659 00:36:27,811 --> 00:36:29,688 How did you know what nights to go hunting? 660 00:36:29,771 --> 00:36:32,190 Did it have anything to do with lunar cycles? 661 00:36:32,273 --> 00:36:34,150 Fuck no. I hunted every night. 662 00:36:34,234 --> 00:36:35,819 - Every night? - That's what it takes. 663 00:36:35,902 --> 00:36:36,820 Commitment. 664 00:36:37,237 --> 00:36:38,530 You go out every night, 665 00:36:38,613 --> 00:36:42,617 but... maybe once every few weeks, you find the right girl 666 00:36:42,701 --> 00:36:44,452 in the right place, at the right time. 667 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,080 I never knew what I was lookin' for, 668 00:36:47,997 --> 00:36:49,624 but I knew her when I saw her. 669 00:36:49,708 --> 00:36:51,084 You ever take souvenirs? 670 00:36:51,751 --> 00:36:52,794 Something from the scene? 671 00:36:52,877 --> 00:36:55,630 - Maybe something from one of the girls? - No, I ran. 672 00:36:57,590 --> 00:36:59,092 The copycat, he takes things? 673 00:36:59,426 --> 00:37:00,260 Yeah. 674 00:37:00,343 --> 00:37:04,264 David, did you ever go back to any of the crime scenes? 675 00:37:04,973 --> 00:37:05,932 All the time. 676 00:37:06,015 --> 00:37:08,935 Was it because you felt guilt or remorse? 677 00:37:10,270 --> 00:37:11,104 Nah. 678 00:37:11,187 --> 00:37:13,565 If I struck out or there were too many cops, 679 00:37:13,648 --> 00:37:15,442 I'd go back to where I did a job. 680 00:37:15,525 --> 00:37:16,609 You'd relive it. 681 00:37:18,403 --> 00:37:20,530 Every detail. 682 00:37:22,782 --> 00:37:26,453 Sometimes, I rolled around in the dirt where they died, just to feel it. 683 00:37:27,787 --> 00:37:28,663 Did you...? 684 00:37:32,167 --> 00:37:34,169 Masturbate? 685 00:37:34,753 --> 00:37:35,754 Oh, yeah. 686 00:37:36,963 --> 00:37:38,506 But not there. At home. 687 00:37:39,174 --> 00:37:43,261 Again, I never fantasized about sex with violence. 688 00:37:44,637 --> 00:37:46,264 Those two things were always separate. 689 00:37:46,347 --> 00:37:47,432 Of course. 690 00:37:54,147 --> 00:37:57,567 Even if he takes souvenirs, your guy, 691 00:37:58,109 --> 00:38:00,320 I guarantee you he goes back. 692 00:38:01,321 --> 00:38:02,489 You can't resist it. 693 00:38:04,115 --> 00:38:05,742 Maybe he just drives by. 694 00:38:07,744 --> 00:38:08,661 Maybe. 695 00:38:12,373 --> 00:38:15,627 His own narcissism forces him to admit that the demons were fabricated. 696 00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:19,297 The thought of someone else profiting from his fame was unbearable. 697 00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:20,465 Your instincts were right. 698 00:38:20,548 --> 00:38:22,967 A schizophrenic wouldn't be able to turn the voices on and off. 699 00:38:23,051 --> 00:38:25,303 Crazed killer or possessed, what's the difference? 700 00:38:25,386 --> 00:38:27,931 He can't tolerate his image tarnished by insanity. 701 00:38:28,890 --> 00:38:30,350 The demons make him special. 702 00:38:30,934 --> 00:38:33,186 A warrior battling insurmountable evil. 703 00:38:33,603 --> 00:38:34,813 Crazy's just weak. 704 00:38:34,896 --> 00:38:37,315 You know what's really surprising is that despite appearances, 705 00:38:37,398 --> 00:38:39,692 his crimes are psycho-sexually motivated. 706 00:38:39,776 --> 00:38:42,695 He kept making the point that his sexual fantasies were separate 707 00:38:42,779 --> 00:38:43,613 from the violence. 708 00:38:43,696 --> 00:38:45,573 He did not want his gun mistaken for his penis. 709 00:38:45,657 --> 00:38:46,658 He did choose a .44. 710 00:38:46,741 --> 00:38:49,828 That goes back to public image conflicting with self-image. 711 00:38:49,911 --> 00:38:51,454 Sex offenders are perverts. 712 00:38:51,538 --> 00:38:52,789 He's a tormented genius. 713 00:38:52,872 --> 00:38:55,375 When the media got that wrong, he corrected the narrative. 714 00:38:55,458 --> 00:38:57,877 So is he getting off on publicity more than the killings? 715 00:38:57,961 --> 00:38:58,795 It's both. 716 00:38:58,878 --> 00:38:59,963 The killings were foreplay, 717 00:39:00,046 --> 00:39:02,382 but he was just as concerned with how he was perceived. 718 00:39:02,465 --> 00:39:05,134 Naming himself, communicating with the media. 719 00:39:05,218 --> 00:39:06,594 It all adds up to control. 720 00:39:06,678 --> 00:39:08,847 And Berkowitz can't control how women treat him 721 00:39:08,930 --> 00:39:10,807 or how he fits into his family. 722 00:39:10,890 --> 00:39:13,184 So he creates this monstrous persona, 723 00:39:13,268 --> 00:39:16,187 but really he's just a dumpy, awkward mailman. 724 00:39:16,271 --> 00:39:20,024 If we go by what Berkowitz said, BTK trolls every night. 725 00:39:20,108 --> 00:39:23,111 No one could hold down a real job, have a family, 726 00:39:23,194 --> 00:39:26,656 hunt, visit their crime scenes. He's got a menial job at best. 727 00:39:26,739 --> 00:39:28,950 - And no real relationships. - Certainly not with women. 728 00:39:29,033 --> 00:39:30,118 Based on Berkowitz, 729 00:39:30,201 --> 00:39:32,704 we're gonna have to open up an entire new category. 730 00:39:32,787 --> 00:39:35,540 We've been looking at whether killers follow their stories in the media, 731 00:39:35,623 --> 00:39:36,749 like Kemper did. 732 00:39:36,833 --> 00:39:40,587 But now we have to consider how they use the media to create their own mythologies. 733 00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:42,130 So Berkowitz, what is he? 734 00:39:44,132 --> 00:39:47,552 He's not schizophrenic. Does virtually no preplanning. 735 00:39:47,635 --> 00:39:50,597 Has an absurd supernatural explanation if caught. 736 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,057 And there are definite sexual components to his crimes. 737 00:39:53,141 --> 00:39:54,601 Organized or disorganized? 738 00:39:54,684 --> 00:39:56,769 Does he get a promotion now that he's not talkin' to dogs? 739 00:39:57,186 --> 00:40:00,148 Overall, I'd say he's more organized than not. 740 00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:02,317 Who'd have thunk? 741 00:40:12,785 --> 00:40:13,745 Hey, Bill. 742 00:40:15,204 --> 00:40:16,039 How was he? 743 00:40:17,081 --> 00:40:18,583 A little stiff at first. 744 00:40:18,666 --> 00:40:20,960 But then back to his old cocksure self. 745 00:40:21,044 --> 00:40:24,714 - You read it. - Hmm. Still think we need to be cautious. 746 00:40:25,214 --> 00:40:26,257 I think he's back. 747 00:40:31,512 --> 00:40:32,347 Good night. 748 00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:33,264 Good night. 749 00:41:13,805 --> 00:41:16,599 Good evening. Uh, is Nancy Tench home? 750 00:41:17,433 --> 00:41:18,768 I'm her husband. Can I help you? 751 00:41:18,851 --> 00:41:21,104 I'm Detective Spencer with Fredericksburg PD. 752 00:41:21,187 --> 00:41:22,355 Special Agent Tench. 753 00:41:22,438 --> 00:41:23,481 FBI. 754 00:41:23,773 --> 00:41:24,941 What can I do for ya? 755 00:41:25,233 --> 00:41:27,777 I'm so sorry. Detective Art Spencer. 756 00:41:28,611 --> 00:41:32,448 Mrs. Tench, are you the Realtor for 1159 Cimmaron Court? 757 00:41:32,532 --> 00:41:33,449 Yes. 758 00:41:33,533 --> 00:41:36,703 You need to know that the residence is, unfortunately, a crime scene. 759 00:41:36,786 --> 00:41:39,914 - What? Has there been a break-in? - No, there's been a... 760 00:41:41,666 --> 00:41:43,376 body found in the garage. 761 00:41:44,877 --> 00:41:46,170 Oh, my God. 762 00:41:46,713 --> 00:41:48,715 We're investigating it as a homicide. 763 00:41:49,048 --> 00:41:51,259 Um... I'm afraid I can't disclose... 764 00:41:53,261 --> 00:41:55,430 Forgive me. 765 00:41:56,472 --> 00:41:57,348 May I come in? 766 00:41:57,432 --> 00:41:58,391 Of course. 767 00:41:59,851 --> 00:42:02,437 - Can I get you some water, anything? - No, thank you. 768 00:42:02,645 --> 00:42:04,856 I've just come from notifying next of kin. 769 00:42:04,939 --> 00:42:06,566 - That is rough. - Oh, my God. 770 00:42:06,816 --> 00:42:08,276 I'm sorry, how can we help? 771 00:42:09,068 --> 00:42:10,820 I need to ask a few questions. 772 00:42:10,903 --> 00:42:15,158 Ma'am, who has access to or has recently entered the premises? 773 00:42:15,825 --> 00:42:18,619 Um, just me and the owner. I've only shown it twice. 774 00:42:18,703 --> 00:42:20,913 There's a lockbox. The combination is the street address. 775 00:42:20,997 --> 00:42:22,540 I know that's not very secure. 776 00:42:22,623 --> 00:42:25,418 Is it possible any of the doors may have been left open by mistake? 777 00:42:25,501 --> 00:42:27,420 No, I'm always so careful. 778 00:42:27,503 --> 00:42:29,505 What about the yard? Do you have a regular crew? 779 00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:32,050 That's supposed to be me, but I'm afraid I never got there. 780 00:42:32,842 --> 00:42:35,344 I'll need to get the names of anyone that you've taken through the house. 781 00:42:35,428 --> 00:42:37,013 Of course. Um... 782 00:42:37,847 --> 00:42:38,973 Please, sit down. 783 00:42:48,024 --> 00:42:50,068 This one's got me a little shook up, Agent Tench. 784 00:42:50,151 --> 00:42:51,736 Bill. I get it. 785 00:42:51,819 --> 00:42:54,280 I work in a special homicide unit myself. 786 00:42:55,114 --> 00:42:57,241 I've seen plenty of things that kept me up at night. 787 00:42:58,367 --> 00:42:59,494 Anything you wanna share? 788 00:42:59,577 --> 00:43:01,704 I really shouldn't discuss the particulars. 789 00:43:01,788 --> 00:43:02,663 Understood. 790 00:43:02,830 --> 00:43:04,457 I didn't wanna scare your wife, 791 00:43:04,540 --> 00:43:07,877 but I do need to get her shoes from when she was last in the garage. 792 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,546 We have a lot of latent evidence, and we need to eliminate her. 793 00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:12,882 Absolutely. Can I drop 'em by in the morning? 794 00:43:12,965 --> 00:43:14,050 We'll be there. 795 00:43:14,133 --> 00:43:16,636 Here are their names and numbers. They all seemed perfectly nice. 796 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,888 Thank you, ma'am. I'll let you know as soon as we're out. 797 00:43:18,971 --> 00:43:20,681 I'm so sorry to have barged in on your evening. 798 00:43:20,765 --> 00:43:23,017 Not a problem. Let me know if I can do anything. 799 00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:30,525 Wow. 800 00:43:30,608 --> 00:43:31,567 He was rattled. 801 00:43:31,651 --> 00:43:33,402 I can't imagine. 802 00:43:33,486 --> 00:43:35,113 It's... awful. 803 00:43:35,196 --> 00:43:37,990 That just doesn't happen around here. 804 00:43:38,407 --> 00:43:39,867 It happens everywhere, Nance. 805 00:45:43,282 --> 00:45:48,621 Real savage-like! 806 00:45:51,621 --> 00:45:55,621 www.titlovi.com 61682

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