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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:09,000 This is the main gate of a great Roman city, 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,000 on the empire's northern frontier in Germany. 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,000 It advertises the presence and the impact of Rome. 4 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,000 And it's still here, 2,000 years later. 5 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,000 Rome was built to last. 6 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,000 But it didn't. 7 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,000 One of the biggest puzzles about the Roman Empire has always been 8 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:45,000 what caused its decline and fall? 9 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:50,000 Historians have been debating that one since the fifth century AD 10 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,000 and we still haven't agreed an answer. 11 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:57,000 There are all kinds of theories, from the sensible to the silly. 12 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,000 Was it the invasion of barbarian hordes? 13 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,000 Or was it galloping inflation? 14 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,000 Was it corruption, public and private? 15 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,000 Too much sex? 16 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,000 Or maybe too little sex? 17 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,000 Or was it the lead in the water pipes, 18 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,000 gradually sending them all mad? 19 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,000 Happily, this isn't a multiple-choice test, 20 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,000 and one thing's for sure, it's all intriguingly complicated, 21 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,000 so bear with me. 22 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,000 From its mythical origins... 23 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,000 ..to the reality of empire... 24 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,000 ..stretching from Britain in the north, 25 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,000 to the fringes of the Sahara in the south... 26 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,000 ..Spain to Israel, the Nile to the Rhine. 27 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,000 The Roman world was more culturally diverse, 28 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,000 productive and connected than anything that had gone before. 29 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,000 We tend to joke when we say, "All roads lead to Rome." 30 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,000 But actually, they did. 31 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,000 It seemed like Rome had discovered the art of imperial longevity, 32 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:18,000 thriving not only by exploitation, but by creating citizens 33 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,000 and at the very top of the pile, the Emperor. 34 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,000 You probably have to kiss his feet. 35 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,000 But the Roman Empire was more vulnerable than it looked. 36 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,000 There was conflict and there was resistance, 37 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,000 both from the outside and within. 38 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,000 This was Romans attacking Romans. 39 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,000 So why DID the Roman Empire come to an end? 40 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,000 Or did it? 41 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,000 No-one's ever going to know for sure what caused Rome's decline. 42 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,000 It's not the kind of question that you can ever answer once and for all. 43 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:14,000 But I'm going unpick a story that makes sense to me. 44 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,000 And I'm starting at one of the most recognisable 45 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,000 and puzzling monuments in the Roman world. 46 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:27,000 The 115km-long Hadrian's Wall, that spans northern Britain. 47 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:32,000 Built in the second century AD when the empire was at its widest, 48 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:37,000 what its construction hints to me, is a shift in the way the Romans 49 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:41,000 saw the empire and what happened at its boundaries. 50 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,000 In some ways, Britain was Rome's Afghanistan. 51 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,000 The Romans always found it terribly hard to get 52 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,000 the upper hand, particularly in the north of the country. 53 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,000 It wasn't that there were loads of pitched battles 54 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,000 between Romans and barbarians, 55 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:07,000 but there were decades of terrorism and guerrilla warfare. 56 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,000 The wall must have been something to do with controlling that. 57 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,000 But it was never a straightforward defence against the enemy, 58 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,000 it was more a Roman statement. 59 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,000 This really is an aggressive structure, 60 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,000 ploughing through the country, from one side of it to the other. 61 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,000 It seems to me there's two things going on here. 62 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:38,000 First of all, it is a major symbol of Roman power 63 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,000 and it's speaking to both people out there to the north 64 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,000 and at those down there to the south. 65 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:50,000 But there's also a new idea of what an empire is that's at stake here. 66 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:59,000 They're starting to say, the empire has an edge, it has a boundary. 67 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,000 And they're doing that here and in other places in the empire. 68 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,000 This is the start of the empire being mapped. 69 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,000 And that made a big difference. 70 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,000 As we know now, the moment there's a physical barrier, 71 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,000 whether it's a wall, a fence or a river, 72 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:23,000 it doesn't just keep people out, it also entices them in. 73 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:27,000 And there was an extra urgency to that. When almost everyone inside 74 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:32,000 the empire was a full Roman citizen, almost everyone outside not. 75 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:39,000 It wasn't a simple stand-off between insiders and outsiders, 76 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,000 Romans and barbarians. 77 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,000 The frontiers of the empire were always pretty porous, 78 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,000 in our terms, and you even find so-called barbarians 79 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,000 serving in the Roman army. 80 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:57,000 All the same, it was a whole series of flashpoints that put 81 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:03,000 the empire on the defensive against invaders, against waves of refugees 82 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,000 and against economic migrants, and to be honest, 83 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:10,000 it was quite difficult to tell the difference between those three. 84 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:15,000 The effect of all that was somehow to turn the empire inside out. 85 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,000 The centre of things was now on the margins. 86 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,000 That's where more and more Roman cash was spent, it's where more 87 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,000 and more Roman resources were eaten up 88 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,000 and it's where the decisions that really mattered were taken. 89 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,000 In a way, the Romans on the frontiers, the soldiers 90 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,000 and the generals, became the key power brokers. 91 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,000 The change was dramatic. 92 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,000 In the third century AD, 93 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,000 emperors were usually raised to power by the legions, 94 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,000 with little or no reference to the authorities in Rome itself, 95 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,000 and they didn't last long, either. 96 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,000 Most of them barely had time to issue some coins 97 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,000 and put up some statues before they were gone, 98 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:03,000 often assassinated by the supporters of the next guy on the throne. 99 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,000 One of this lot was Elagabalus, 100 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,000 parachuted onto the throne by his granny 101 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000 and an army legion. 102 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,000 If you believe the stories, he was a nasty piece of work, 103 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,000 making Nero or Caligula look like pussycats. 104 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,000 Bellissima! 105 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,000 He was particularly well-known for his flamboyant banquets. 106 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,000 A meal with him was an experience to die for. 107 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,000 And sometimes, literally. 108 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,000 The food was about as far-out as you could get. 109 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:46,000 Nightingales' tongues and ostrich brains, particular favourites. 110 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,000 But he was artful, too. 111 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,000 He was particularly keen on colour-coded banquets. 112 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,000 All the food in blue or in green. 113 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,000 But there were risks. 114 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,000 If you were at the bottom of the pecking order, 115 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,000 you didn't get real food at all. 116 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,000 You just got model food, in wood or plaster. 117 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,000 All you could do was look at it. 118 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:21,000 And on one occasion, he showered so many rose petals on his lucky 119 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,000 guests that they smothered and didn't get out alive. 120 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,000 The Emperor was a complete fashion freak. 121 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,000 He never wore the same pair of shoes twice. 122 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,000 He had his mum in the Senate 123 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,000 and he loved being pulled along in a wheelbarrow by naked ladies. 124 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,000 He even went so far as to change sex 125 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,000 and he had a vagina surgically constructed. 126 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,000 Now, this isn't all literally true. 127 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:13,000 For a start, Elagabalus was only 14 when he came to the throne. 128 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,000 At best, it's a fantasy about what it might be like having 129 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:21,000 a very difficult teenager as Emperor. 130 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:27,000 At worst, it's black propaganda, invented after he'd been deposed. 131 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,000 But there's a logic to it. It's a fantasy about a system under threat. 132 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:39,000 The idea that the man on the throne was completely bonkers 133 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,000 was saying more about the way the system was imploding 134 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,000 than about the man or boy himself. 135 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,000 But the Romans didn't just sit and watch it all happen. 136 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,000 'And the best way to explain how they tried to restore order...' 137 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,000 Prego, senora. Ah, grazie mille! Buon appetito! 138 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,000 '..is with another meal.' 139 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,000 This is called a Pizza Romana. 140 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:15,000 And one thing's for sure, no Roman ate it, because for a start, 141 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,000 they didn't have tomatoes. 142 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,000 But if you suspend disbelief for a bit, it's quite a good 143 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:26,000 way of visualising the problems the Roman Empire's facing. 144 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,000 The pizza is the empire. 145 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,000 Rome is the tomato in the middle. 146 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,000 Problem number one? 147 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,000 The empire's very big. 148 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,000 Communications across it, very slow. 149 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,000 Rome's here. 150 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,000 It's really... 151 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:49,000 weeks away from getting its commands out to the frontiers. 152 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,000 So what do they do about it? 153 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,000 Well, as usual, the Romans improvised. 154 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,000 They decided to cut the empire in two. 155 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,000 It's quite difficult, cutting an empire in two. 156 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,000 And you can even go further. 157 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,000 You can say... 158 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:15,000 divide the empire into three, with three joint emperors. 159 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,000 You can even divide it... 160 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,000 If you can cut it! 161 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:25,000 You can even divide it into four, with four joint emperors. 162 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,000 The advantages of this are obvious. 163 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,000 You get manageable chunks to administer. 164 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,000 One emperor for that, one for that, one for that, one for that. 165 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,000 The disadvantages are obvious, too. 166 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,000 This guy decides he wants to have this person's share 167 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,000 and so you get conflict. 168 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,000 And what looked as if it was kind of devolution 169 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,000 turns out to be a disintegration. 170 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,000 The other problem they deal with is what to do about Rome 171 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,000 and here we get another kind of devolution. 172 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,000 You get a series of mini capitals... These are the olives. 173 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,000 ..for different parts of the empire. 174 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,000 That one, let's say, is in the east, that's Nicaea. 175 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,000 This is Trier, in Germany. 176 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,000 Ravenna or Milan, in Italy. 177 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,000 And those cities can be administrative centres 178 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,000 for the different bits, and that makes all of the kind 179 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,000 of problems of communication and so forth much easier. 180 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,000 What to do about Rome in the middle? 181 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:32,000 When all the decisions, really, are being made in these other capitals. 182 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:36,000 Well, the answer is that Rome stays looking lovely, 183 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,000 it stays being a grand symbolic centre, 184 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,000 but it's not really doing anything. 185 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:47,000 In a way, this poor tomato has become a bit of a white elephant. 186 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,000 The city of Romulus no longer controls the Roman world. 187 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,000 Of course, it remained hugely symbolic, but some emperors 188 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,000 ruled their slice of territory without ever even going to Rome. 189 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,000 One-man rule, established by the first Emperor Augustus, was, 190 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:18,000 for a time, devolved to multiple emperors in a divided empire. 191 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:27,000 And this is the grand imperial throne room 192 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,000 of the mini-capital at Trier in Germany. 193 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,000 It's a building with some powerful messages. 194 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:41,000 It's telling us, for one thing, that Rome was no longer 195 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,000 the centre of Roman power. 196 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,000 But in its modern reincarnation, there's a clue to an even 197 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,000 But in its modern reincarnation, there's a clue to an even 198 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,000 bigger revolution that was taking place within the empire. 199 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,000 It was later converted into a church, 200 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,000 and as we'll see, that was no accident. 201 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,000 Because there was something bigger happening than any of those 202 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:13,000 problems on the frontiers, mad emperors and rivalrous legions. 203 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,000 The entire Roman belief system was being challenged. 204 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:22,000 And to understand that, we have to go further back into Roman history, 205 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,000 to see how the relationship between the gods 206 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,000 and the Roman state had traditionally worked. 207 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,000 This is a Roman temple. 208 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,000 You wouldn't come here for services or to be preached at, 209 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:42,000 you wouldn't come to get married or to be part of the congregation. 210 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,000 The chances are, it'd be locked up most of the year anyway, 211 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,000 guarded by some grumpy custodian. 212 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,000 But if you did get inside, 213 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:55,000 one thing you certainly would have seen is a statue of the god. 214 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,000 That's the basic function of a Roman temple, 215 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,000 to house the divine image, and that's what temples 216 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,000 were often called in Latin - "aedes". 217 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,000 Houses. 218 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,000 And temples were everywhere. 219 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,000 So, why did they need so many? 220 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,000 Well, this one was put up to the god Hercules in the middle 221 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,000 of the second century BC, 222 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,000 almost certainly with the profits of Roman conquest in the east. 223 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,000 And that was a common pattern. 224 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,000 A general in the middle of battle would vow a temple to the god, 225 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:43,000 if that god would grant him victory, and when the general returns 226 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:48,000 to Rome successful, he uses part of the spoils to finance the building. 227 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:52,000 In a way, temples are public reminders of the gods' 228 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:57,000 support for the Roman state and they underline the axiom that Rome 229 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,000 can only be successful if it keeps the gods on its side. 230 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,000 And gods is, of course, plural. 231 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,000 It might seem obvious, but there were loads of them. 232 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,000 And to us, the interaction between them 233 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:19,000 and the Romans can look a bit contractual, even mechanistic. 234 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,000 The Romans didn't believe in their gods, 235 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:27,000 they didn't have internal faith in our sense. 236 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:31,000 They simply took it for granted that the gods existed 237 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,000 and would help them out, 238 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,000 so long as they fulfilled their side of the bargain, 239 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:41,000 by erecting temples or, above all, by sacrificing to them, 240 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:45,000 usually animals, whether bulls, pigs or sheep. 241 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:50,000 And we can glimpse how important that was in this once splendid 242 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,000 sculpture, now a bit stranded in a Roman backstreet. 243 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,000 Here, we've got a scene of sacrifice to the gods. 244 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:14,000 On the lower panel, there's a bull actually being slaughtered, and 245 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,000 above, the emperor is pouring some 246 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,000 kind of libation onto an altar. 247 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:25,000 You can find hundreds of scenes like this across the Roman Empire 248 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,000 and the point they're making is that one of the functions 249 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:33,000 of the emperor was to manage the relationship between humans 250 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:37,000 and the gods. Religion and politics were bound up together. 251 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,000 There's a decidedly public, a decidedly matter-of-fact side to all 252 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:57,000 this, but that doesn't mean the gods didn't also have a personal impact. 253 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:01,000 On the contrary, they permeated the lives of the Romans. 254 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,000 It was a world full of gods. 255 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:08,000 This collection of miniature gods and goddesses takes us 256 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:13,000 right into the world of personal religion. These are private objects. 257 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,000 There were thousands of them across the Roman Empire, in people's 258 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:23,000 pockets, on their mantelpieces at home, in temples and in shrines. 259 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:27,000 They're kind of like everything from fridge magnets to 260 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:31,000 objects of devotion, all rolled into one. 261 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,000 This was an incredibly complicated religious world. 262 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,000 We're not dealing here with 12 gods and goddesses, 263 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:42,000 sitting up on Mount Olympus, each with their own job to do. 264 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:47,000 Venus, the Goddess of Love, Mars, the God of War. 265 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,000 That's what I learnt at school, but it's very misleading. 266 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:56,000 This is much more a question of a whole range of different 267 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:00,000 divine powers which control the world in different ways 268 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,000 and help us make sense of it. 269 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,000 That might be questions of - where did human life begin? 270 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,000 Or much more practical things like - will I get across the sea safely? 271 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:17,000 In that case, you might have decided to turn to the god Neptune, 272 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:22,000 the God of the Sea, but equally, you might have approached Minerva, 273 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:28,000 who had to do with the craft of seafaring, or Hercules, 274 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,000 who protected humanity in their struggles against adversity. 275 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,000 Or you might equally have turned to Mercury, 276 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:40,000 the god who helped you get places and helped you make a profit. 277 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,000 This was an extraordinarily flexible religious system, 278 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,000 in which people made their own religious choices 279 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,000 and they created their own religious world. 280 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,000 Religion was fundamental for the success of the empire 281 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:16,000 and the Romans made sure their gratitude was on full display. 282 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,000 But the growth of the empire brought new 283 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,000 and different gods into Rome. Just as the Romans incorporated 284 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,000 new citizens from new conquered territories, 285 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,000 they incorporated divine citizens too. 286 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,000 One of these new religions, thought to originate in what is now 287 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:39,000 Iran, didn't have grand temples, at least not above ground. 288 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,000 This is a wonderfully preserved temple of the god Mithras, 289 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,000 on an absolutely standard pattern. 290 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,000 All across the Roman Empire, they look a bit like this. 291 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,000 It's dark, enclosed, 292 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,000 and it was almost as hidden away then as it is now. 293 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,000 It's actually all been done a bit on the cheap. 294 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:25,000 This marble floor looks impressive enough, 295 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,000 but it's obviously come off a Roman skip. 296 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:37,000 And up here, they've even made their little steps by cannibalising 297 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,000 some old inscription. 298 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,000 Using whatever they could lay their hands on, 299 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:48,000 they created an underground religious world, a cave, 300 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,000 which was thought to be an image for the cosmos itself. 301 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,000 This was a place where people came together to worship. 302 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:04,000 The worshippers would have reclined here, just as if they were dining. 303 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,000 Presumably, whatever ritual went on, went on in the middle. 304 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,000 To judge from the image of Mithras himself, 305 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:17,000 usually shown killing a bull, animal sacrifice was central, even if 306 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,000 other details are pretty mysterious. 307 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:27,000 What we do know is that it was entirely men, this was about the 308 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:32,000 most blokeish religion in the Roman Empire, which is saying something. 309 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,000 It was also a religion of initiation. 310 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:39,000 You went through a series of stages or grades of initiation, 311 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:44,000 getting closer all the time to a vision of the divine truth. 312 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,000 The best clues to the strange world of Mithras 313 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:54,000 comes from the imagery salvaged from several of his temples. 314 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,000 You've got Mithras himself, 315 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:02,000 plunging his dagger into the side of the sacrificial bull, 316 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,000 and he's wearing a very distinctively shaped Persian 317 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,000 hat, signalling that he comes from the margins or 318 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,000 outside of the Roman world and there's something, I think, about 319 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:17,000 the exoticism of all this which must have been part of its attraction. 320 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,000 But exotic or not, 321 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:23,000 it still fitted comfortably enough in the Roman world of polytheism. 322 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,000 Real problems began 323 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,000 when monotheistic religion came into contact with Rome. 324 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:36,000 The worship of just one god and the exclusion of all others was 325 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,000 something that went against basic Roman assumptions. 326 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:57,000 Judea was made a province of the empire in 6 AD. 327 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,000 People here had their own way of life 328 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,000 and a distinctive relationship to one god. 329 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,000 So when the Romans took over, with a very different 330 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,000 set of assumptions, a clash was almost inevitable. 331 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,000 A mixture of politics, local infighting 332 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,000 and religious conflict ended 333 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,000 when the Romans destroyed the temple in Jerusalem 334 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:28,000 and that triggered a six-year long full-scale Jewish revolt. 335 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:50,000 The end of that war came at a desert outpost called Masada. 336 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,000 In this remote spot, King Herod, 337 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:12,000 one of Rome's earlier allies or collaborators in Judea, had built an 338 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:17,000 extravagant palace, where he could dine and bathe in true Roman style. 339 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,000 He would be disappointed to know that the place is now 340 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,000 famous for much bloodier reasons. 341 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,000 The final showdown between the Jews and the Romans happened hours 342 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,000 away from Jerusalem, here in the middle of the desert. 343 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:40,000 There was a breakaway group of about 1,000 Jewish extremists, 344 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:44,000 that were terrorists in the eyes of some Jews as well as the Romans, 345 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,000 and they'd seized Masada and they were holding out there, 346 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,000 years after the temple in Jerusalem had fallen. 347 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,000 The Jewish rebels made this rock their base and eventually 348 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,000 met their deaths when the Romans caught up with them. 349 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,000 To understand what happened next, 350 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,000 I'm meeting historian Greg Woolf in the ruins of the old palace. 351 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,000 These forts look very impressive, laid out as they are below, 352 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,000 but at the time they were built, Jerusalem had fallen, 353 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,000 the temple was destroyed, there's no opposition anywhere else. 354 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,000 There was still a small group of people holding out up 355 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,000 here for years. 356 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,000 They're almost forgotten until a Roman governor decides 357 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,000 he really ought to sort it out and he sends the legions here and 358 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,000 so this is what we see here, it's a trace of a cleaning-up operation. 359 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,000 You can still make out where the forts and the siege wall are. 360 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,000 And at a weak point in the cliffs, a ramp was built for a battering 361 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,000 ram and the Romans broke through the rebels' defences. 362 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,000 One Jewish rebel, turned traitor, then Roman historian, 363 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,000 recorded what happened next. 364 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:09,000 Although his version of events has long been disputed. 365 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,000 We have this extraordinary story told by a very, 366 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,000 very unreliable source, who says that when the Romans got up here, 367 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,000 when they built their ramp, 368 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,000 when they came in, what they found was no living person. 369 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,000 Nearly 1,000 people who had been up here had, in some 370 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,000 kind of mixture of suicide pact and self-slaughter, had just gone. 371 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,000 There was nobody left here. There were piles of bodies 372 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,000 and enough food to show they could have held out for ever. 373 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:40,000 But if this is true, who knows? It's become a powerful modern myth. 374 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:45,000 So it's a story of heroic self-sacrifice for the cause? 375 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,000 Self-sacrifice and no surrender and that's what Masada means now, 376 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,000 no surrender. 377 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,000 Only a handful of bodies have ever been found here 378 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,000 and who they were is unclear, 379 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:05,000 but the story of rebels who preferred suicide to enslavement 380 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:10,000 lives on and Masada remains a symbol of Jewish resistance. 381 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,000 The conflict behind all this is often framed in religious 382 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,000 terms, but the truth is more complex. 383 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,000 You'd expect some kind of clash, wouldn't you? 384 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,000 Because you've got a culture in Judaism which insists that 385 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,000 there's only one god, 386 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,000 dealing with a Roman imperial power that insists there's lots of gods. 387 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,000 I mean, that appears irreconcilable. Yes. 388 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,000 Although there are things about what the Jews do that looks very 389 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,000 familiar to a Roman eye. 390 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,000 They perform animal sacrifice. They have a huge temple at the centre. 391 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,000 And perhaps most of all, it's a 392 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,000 religion grounded in one ritual landscape, one sense of place. 393 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,000 It's a religion of somewhere. 394 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,000 Which they can always manage that, can't they? 395 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,000 You can have a religion pretty much that is as weird to them 396 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,000 as you can imagine, so long as it sort of belongs to somebody. 397 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,000 So they're sort of happy with the goddess Isis 398 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,000 because she's the Egyptians' goddess. 399 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:17,000 The Romans didn't expect those they conquered to abandon their own gods. 400 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,000 Part of the point of polytheism is that it can accept 401 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,000 and incorporate new and different divine powers, 402 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,000 but they did expect them to recognise 403 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,000 the relationship between the Roman state and religion. 404 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,000 For the Jews, it's much more difficult to accommodate 405 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,000 the Romans because their own history by now is a history of being 406 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,000 subjected to one empire after another 407 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,000 and being subjected to persecutions of different kinds and so, 408 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,000 it's much more difficult for the Jews to fit the Romans into the 409 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,000 system, rather than the Romans to fit the Jews into their system. 410 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,000 And that's where things broke down. 411 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,000 Over the next 200 years, 412 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:16,000 there were more bloody chapters in the history of Jews and Romans, 413 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,000 but to see it from the Roman point of view, 414 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,000 what's just as remarkable is how far they managed to accommodate 415 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,000 Judaism within the empire. 416 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,000 They used taxation as a means of control, 417 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,000 Roman emperors received delegations 418 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,000 and complaints from Jewish communities, 419 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,000 individual Jews progressed high up in the Roman administration, 420 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:42,000 and in many ways Judea was a prosperous little Roman province. 421 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:48,000 But for one offshoot of Judaism, and that's Christianity, 422 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,000 it was to be a very different story. 423 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,000 In the turmoil of conflict between Rome and Judea, 424 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,000 one Jewish Rabbi had developed new ideas. 425 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,000 His name was Jesus. 426 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,000 The "sayings of Jesus," as they were called, 427 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,000 were only written down later, 428 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,000 but it's clear enough that for the Jews, he was preaching blasphemy. 429 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,000 And at the beginning at least, for the Romans, 430 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,000 he was just another troublemaker. 431 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,000 However exactly the story went, he was arrested, put to trial 432 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,000 and sentenced to death, Roman style, by crucifixion. 433 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,000 The Romans must have thought - problem solved. 434 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,000 But it was only the start. 435 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,000 It was near here that Jesus came to be crucified, 436 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,000 probably on some charge of civil disobedience. 437 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,000 It's very hard to know exactly what was going on because the story 438 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,000 has been rewritten and reinterpreted and embroidered ever since. 439 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,000 But we can be fairly certain that the real Jesus was 440 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,000 the leader of some small Jewish splinter group 441 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,000 and in the decades after his crucifixion, he became... 442 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,000 He was almost reinvented as the founding symbol of a new 443 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,000 religion which attracted followers more widely across the empire. 444 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,000 There weren't, to start with, all that many of them 445 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,000 and they believed a variety of different things that we wouldn't 446 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,000 recognise now as Christian. 447 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,000 But at the core of it all, there was 448 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:32,000 a new ideology that was challenging, from within the empire itself, 449 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,000 old Roman certainties about how the world worked. 450 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,000 Today, Christian pilgrims from all over the world flock to 451 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,000 Jerusalem to visit the spot where Jesus was buried, 452 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,000 in the appropriately named Church of the Holy Sepulchre. 453 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,000 Although, to call it a church is an understatement. 454 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,000 Under one roof, 455 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,000 a bewildering array of Christian sects fight to be heard. 456 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,000 And the biggest queue of pilgrims 457 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:03,000 and curious tourists is by the shrine that surrounds Jesus' tomb. 458 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,000 This is the holiest site in Christendom. 459 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,000 The idea that Jesus rose from the dead would have been 460 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,000 the least puzzling part of Christian teaching for most Romans. 461 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,000 There was a combination of far more radical ideas than that. 462 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,000 It wasn't just that there was only one god, 463 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:31,000 those who followed Jesus could take no part in sacrifice, 464 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,000 and they were to prepare themselves for the Kingdom of God, which 465 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:40,000 transcended the earthly power of Rome and which might be coming soon. 466 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:48,000 Add to that the very strange notion that poverty was a virtue, 467 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:53,000 not a misfortune, and some pretty hardline views about sex, 468 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:58,000 and it's not difficult to see how some Romans might have been 469 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:03,000 curious, even attracted to Christian teaching. 470 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,000 Many others would have been baffled or affronted by what must 471 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,000 have seemed like an assault on their world order. 472 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,000 Christianity flew in the face of what Romans had traditionally 473 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,000 thought religion was all about. 474 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,000 And that contradiction may be one reason why Christianity was 475 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,000 initially slow to take off. 476 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,000 But when it did, it exploited the very network of communications 477 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,000 that linked the Roman Empire. 478 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,000 One of the key figures in spreading the word was a small-time 479 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:46,000 Roman salesman from Turkey, better known as St Paul. 480 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,000 Jesus himself wasn't a big traveller, but Paul not only 481 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,000 got everywhere across the eastern Mediterranean, 482 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:58,000 he also used the long-distance mail as a way of broadcasting to 483 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,000 far-flung Christian communities 484 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,000 and the letters he wrote are still part of the Bible. 485 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,000 Corinthians, that's the letter he wrote to the Christian church 486 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,000 at Corinth and he's writing to the people of Thessaloniki, to the 487 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:18,000 people of Ephesus, the Ephesians, and to the Christian church in Rome. 488 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,000 They're part pep talk, part instruction, 489 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,000 and not all of it is entirely to my taste. 490 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:29,000 "Man is the head of woman," he says. That's never going to be my motto. 491 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,000 But what does strike me 492 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:36,000 are the geographical horizons that these letters display. 493 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,000 He talks about being in Macedonia 494 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,000 and going to travel to Ephesus and then move on to Corinth. 495 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:47,000 It's the connectivity of the Roman Empire that these 496 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,000 Christians are exploiting. 497 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,000 Christianity was born within the Roman Empire 498 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:58,000 and the people who became its followers rode on its connectivity. 499 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,000 In port towns like Corinth, and Thessaloniki, 500 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:07,000 you could find goods, work and a new spiritual guide. 501 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,000 The empire's trade routes became Christianity's broadcasting service. 502 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,000 200 years after Jesus' crucifixion, there were small groups 503 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:26,000 calling themselves Christian across the empire and in Rome itself. 504 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,000 Though there were not many in total, perhaps 200,000 out of an empire 505 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:37,000 of 50 million, and there were very different shades of Christian too. 506 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,000 This is a tombstone that really parades its Christianity. 507 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,000 And the keyword is this, written in Greek, it's "Icthus," 508 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:50,000 which means fish, but it's not just a fish 509 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:57,000 because the letters of that word are also the first letters of a famous 510 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,000 Christian slogan, reading, 511 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,000 "Jesus Christ, the Son of God, our Saviour." 512 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:09,000 Now, why they used that slogan is not absolutely clear. 513 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,000 They might have been wanting a bit of secrecy, 514 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,000 but if so, Icthus isn't a terribly clever disguise. 515 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:20,000 It's much more likely that this is an attempt to represent God 516 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,000 and to wonder how God should be represented. 517 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:28,000 They're thinking about encoding God in language and in visual symbol. 518 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:33,000 But there's more to this and there's more gods in this tombstone. 519 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:39,000 Up here, these two letters, DM, stand for Dis Manibus, to the 520 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,000 gods of the departed spirits, 521 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,000 the absolutely classic traditional pagan gods of the dead. 522 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:52,000 So, here we've got both Christianity and paganism on the same stone 523 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:58,000 and it's a wonderful encapsulation of just that blurry boundary 524 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,000 between Christianity and paganism in the first Christian centuries. 525 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,000 Most Christians in the Roman Empire probably inhabited that 526 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,000 blurry boundary. 527 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,000 But a few were much more hardline, overachievers, 528 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,000 extremists you might almost call them, 529 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,000 who came into conflict with Roman authorities and went 530 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:41,000 to their deaths for refusing to sacrifice to the traditional gods. 531 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,000 One spring day in 203 AD, a young Roman woman, 532 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,000 the mother of a small baby, 533 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:57,000 was thrown to the wild beasts in an amphitheatre not unlike this one. 534 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:02,000 She was taunted, she was whipped, and maimed by the animals, 535 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:07,000 but not killed. A gladiator came to finish her off. 536 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,000 After one painful mishit, 537 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:14,000 she calmly took his blade in her hands and guided it to her throat. 538 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:20,000 Her name was Vibia Perpetua and her only crime was to be a Christian. 539 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,000 This was Romans attacking Romans. 540 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:38,000 We tend to assume that Romans loved the spectacle of Christians 541 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,000 thrown to the lions in the amphitheatre. 542 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,000 But it really wasn't quite that simple. 543 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:53,000 An amphitheatre was a highly ordered microcosm of Roman society. 544 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,000 The spectators sat in a rigid hierarchy, 545 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,000 according to their social place. 546 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,000 You couldn't just choose to shell out for a good 547 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,000 seat on the front row like you can now. 548 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,000 And the victims in the centre, the slaves 549 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:12,000 and the condemned criminals, were, by definition, outsiders. 550 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,000 They were never intended to be young Roman mothers like Perpetua, 551 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,000 one of their own. 552 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,000 It's hardly surprising that her prosecutor tried to get her 553 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,000 to think of her young baby and to recant her faith. 554 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,000 And it's hardly surprising that the crowd, 555 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:38,000 as they watched Perpetua die, both jeered and shuddered. 556 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,000 Perpetua's story of pious resistance 557 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,000 and brutal execution has become part of the Christian 558 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,000 narrative of good against evil. 559 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,000 Where many non-Christians must have seen stubborn, 560 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,000 self-willed self-destruction, Christians saw in martyrdom 561 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,000 a powerful advertisement for their faith. 562 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,000 Long after their moment in the arena, stories of the killing, 563 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,000 the torture and the excruciating suffering were told 564 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:20,000 and retold in meticulous and sometimes lurid detail. 565 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,000 The bravery of the martyrs in the face of sadistic cruelty 566 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,000 seemed to validate the faith for which they had died, and to offer 567 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:34,000 other Christians an example they might glorify, though not follow. 568 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,000 Quite why the Roman authorities chose to send them 569 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,000 to their death remains something of a puzzle. 570 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,000 That's largely because almost all the evidence 571 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,000 we have comes from the Christian Romans themselves. 572 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:52,000 It's an extreme example of history being written by the winners. 573 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,000 If we try to see it from the side of the Roman authorities, 574 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,000 the fact that the Christians refused to sacrifice threatened to 575 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,000 disrupt the good relationship between the state 576 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:10,000 and the divine powers, which ensured the success of the empire. 577 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,000 It was pure treachery. 578 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:27,000 In the middle of the third century, less than 50 years after Perpetua's 579 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:32,000 death, one emperor decided to bring things back into line 580 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,000 and to restore order with a piece of paper. 581 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:41,000 These are scraps of papyrus from a Roman waste paper 582 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,000 basket in the province of Egypt 583 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,000 and they're some of the most important things ever to have 584 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,000 been found in a waste paper basket 585 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:53,000 and it's also a wonderful example of Roman bureaucratese. 586 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:59,000 They are personal certificates proving that their owner has 587 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,000 sacrificed to the traditional gods. 588 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:07,000 The gist of the message is up here, saying so and so has sacrificed, 589 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:12,000 it's been witnessed here, and one of the witnesses has signed. 590 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,000 His name was Hermas. 591 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:18,000 And this guy's actually signed several of these certificates. 592 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,000 The reason why he's done that is 593 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,000 because the Emperor Decius had ordered that 594 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,000 everybody in the empire should prove they'd sacrificed to the gods. 595 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,000 This is often treated as a centralised 596 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,000 persecution of the Christians because, of course, true 597 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:43,000 Christians couldn't sacrifice to the traditional gods. 598 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,000 And we know, in fact, that some of them didn't 599 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,000 and supposedly went to their deaths. 600 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:53,000 But even Christian writers tell us that many of them, 601 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,000 and this is I think where I would have been, 602 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:59,000 either sacrificed anyway or just kept their heads down. 603 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,000 What's going on in the emperor's mind is also rather different, 604 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,000 I think. 605 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,000 I'm sure he's not planning more bloody 606 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,000 spectacles of Christians versus lions. 607 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,000 What he's wanting to do is to ensure that every single 608 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,000 one of his subjects signs up publicly to the 609 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,000 institution of sacrifice, which is 610 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,000 the ritual that ensures that proper relationship between the Roman 611 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,000 state and its gods, and ensures Roman success. 612 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:34,000 In a way, this is a clumsy and rather heavy-handed attempt to 613 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,000 restore political and religious order to the Roman world. 614 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,000 His project didn't last long and neither did he. 615 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,000 Decius wasn't dealing only with the Christians, 616 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,000 but between the invasion of the barbarians and internal rivals, his 617 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,000 reign only lasted two years and he ended up killed on the battlefield. 618 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,000 It would have been beyond the wildest dreams of Perpetua 619 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,000 and those who died like her that in less than 100 years, 620 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,000 Rome would turn in exactly the opposite direction. 621 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,000 After a century of chaos, one emperor made a pact with 622 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:33,000 the very religion that looked as if it was undermining the empire. 623 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,000 His name was Constantine and, eventually, 624 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,000 he became once more the sole emperor 625 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:44,000 and aligned his power with that of the sole god, the Christian God, 626 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,000 that is. 627 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,000 These fragments are what's left of a colossal 628 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,000 statue of the Emperor Constantine. 629 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:56,000 It can't all have been in marble, it could never have stood up if it was. 630 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,000 We have to imagine a brick and a bronze core 631 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,000 and these bits sort of stuck on the end. 632 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,000 It's an entirely new vision of imperial power. 633 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,000 Of course, there had been colossal statues of emperors before. 634 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,000 But just look at that face... 635 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,000 ..superhuman, staring, almost abstract. 636 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:25,000 This isn't an emperor who could conceivably be one of us. 637 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,000 This is an emperor we have to worship. 638 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,000 We probably have to kiss his feet. 639 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:37,000 Constantine is a striking mixture of the old and the new. 640 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,000 He comes to power in civil war, he celebrates a triumph, 641 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,000 he acknowledges divine assistance 642 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,000 and he has a big building programme in the city of Rome. 643 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,000 All that's very traditional. 644 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,000 What's new is that the God whose help 645 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,000 he acknowledges is the Christian God. 646 00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,000 And what he builds in the city is not temples but it's churches. 647 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,000 We really don't have a clue why Constantine became a Christian. 648 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,000 It might have been a sincere spiritual conversion. 649 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,000 It might have been a calculated decision to back what 650 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,000 looked like the winning side. 651 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,000 The political logic of this, whatever is going on 652 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:23,000 inside Constantine's head, is that circle has been squared. 653 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,000 The universal empire, instead of fighting the universal church, 654 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,000 has done a deal with it. 655 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:34,000 From now on, empire and church are going to walk side by side. 656 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,000 One way of seeing this is as a revolution. 657 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,000 Fundamental aspects of being a Roman have changed. 658 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:48,000 Hierarchy, faith, morality, sex... But in another way, 659 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:53,000 Constantine has reinvented the original model of Roman power 660 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,000 around a new God. 661 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,000 And he sealed the deal by building a new capital, 662 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,000 which eventually became the new Rome. 663 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,000 Constantine's city was Constantinople. 664 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,000 We now know it as Istanbul. 665 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,000 It was here that he ordered his own versions of some of the major 666 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,000 buildings of Rome. 667 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,000 The site of Constantine's Hippodrome, 668 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,000 his Circus Maximus, has been preserved, complete with 669 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:38,000 a few of the monuments that he and later emperors placed along its centre. 670 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:42,000 Robin Cormack, my tour guide and husband, 671 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:47,000 knows more than me about the art and culture of the Eastern Empire. 672 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,000 I think this is a really impressive monument. 673 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,000 They're really proud of it. 674 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:57,000 The amazing achievement is to get that obelisk from Luxor 675 00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,000 onto this stand. 676 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,000 And they were so proud of what they'd done 677 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,000 that they have two inscriptions saying how difficult it was. 678 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:09,000 And they have the pictures of the putting up of it. 679 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,000 We can see the ropes here to winch it up. 680 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,000 This is Roman technology as it ever was. At its best. 681 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,000 'But why did Constantine choose to build his city here?' 682 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,000 It only happened because he had won his last 683 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,000 battle against his rival Roman emperors and it is a victory city. 684 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,000 He looked around, he chose a city near to where the battle was. 685 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,000 The city of Byzantium. 686 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,000 And he turned it into a massive, powerful new city, 687 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,000 named after him, Constantinople. 688 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,000 So, it shows he is now the single Roman Emperor. 689 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:49,000 So, did it feel like a specifically Christian city? 690 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,000 Did it feel different? 691 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,000 No, it looked like a Roman city with all the trappings. 692 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:57,000 And what he did do was bring lots of pagan statues here, 693 00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:01,000 so that you've got those in the Hippodrome and elsewhere. 694 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:06,000 So much so that there is the famous saying that this city was 695 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,000 built up by denuding all the other cities of the Roman Empire. 696 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:16,000 It must have been a bit odd to see an emperor 697 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:23,000 who is sponsoring Christianity, decorating his city with pagan gods, 698 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,000 great works of art, that he 699 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,000 has sucked in to decorate it from all the other bits of the empire. 700 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,000 Yeah, well, he's a powerful emperor, isn't he? 701 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,000 This is a display of power. 702 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,000 He made this a traditional Roman city with all 703 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,000 the features that the biggest city he knew, Rome, had. 704 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,000 They didn't call themselves Byzantines, 705 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,000 they called themselves Romans 706 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:48,000 and they were absolutely convinced that they were the Roman Empire. 707 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,000 In fact, here in the East, the Christian Roman Empire lasted 708 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:59,000 right up to 1453, when the Ottomans conquered Byzantium. 709 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,000 In the West, it was a different story. 710 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,000 Rome was still Rome but it was more a showcase of architecture 711 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,000 and culture than the capital of power. 712 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:17,000 But the northern frontiers were more porous than ever. 713 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,000 Outsiders pushed in. 714 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,000 And even if it was now a hollow symbol, 715 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,000 the city of Rome was still a prize. 716 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,000 Driven by the Huns, various tribes, like the Visigoths, 717 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:35,000 the Ostrogoths and the Vandals, moved towards the Western Empire. 718 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:43,000 The legendary "sack of Rome" didn't happen once, but three times. 719 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,000 Roman armies were defeated, citizens were killed 720 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,000 and the city itself was looted and pillaged. 721 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,000 The very words "barbarian" and "Vandal" now conjure up 722 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,000 a picture of wanton destruction of all that is civilised. 723 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:07,000 But that popular image, powerful as it is, is quite unfair. 724 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,000 This is a wonderfully vivid 19th-century attempt to 725 00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:17,000 picture the barbarian hordes in action, destroying the city of Rome. 726 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:23,000 Long hair, funny topknots, plaits and moustaches. 727 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,000 And a couple of them are trying to topple 728 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,000 one of the symbols of imperial power. 729 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,000 Their mates are getting their torches ready 730 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,000 to set the place ablaze. 731 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:42,000 Actually, the world of the new West was nothing like this. 732 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:46,000 It's true that political unity had collapsed 733 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,000 and there was plenty of destructive military conflict. 734 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,000 But what emerged was a series of rival powers, 735 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,000 who were, in effect, mini Romes, 736 00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,000 who were trying to buy into the prestige of Rome 737 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:05,000 and Romanness, rather than trying to buy out of it. 738 00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,000 They sponsored Latin poetry, 739 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:12,000 they developed the traditions of Roman law, and they were more likely 740 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,000 to be restoring the monuments of the Roman past, 741 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,000 not trying to pull them down. 742 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:22,000 The empire, in a political sense, had gone. 743 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:27,000 But the cultural hegemony of Rome remained, even in the West. 744 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:34,000 These people were not Romans. But they were imitating Rome, 745 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,000 much like many modern empires have done ever since. 746 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:45,000 With these barbarians imitating the Romans so closely, 747 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,000 can we really call it the fall of the Roman Empire? 748 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:55,000 How do you decide how or when an empire starts or ends? 749 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,000 What counts? Is it territorial control? 750 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:04,000 Is it law or culture? Is it the Roman brand? 751 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:09,000 There has been an enormous transformation and, in many ways, 752 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,000 this is no longer the empire that looked back to Romulus, 753 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,000 with his definition of what it meant to be a Roman. 754 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:21,000 It's a transformation, a revolution, almost, 755 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,000 that I see clearly here, 756 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:28,000 in what was once Rome's mini capital of Trier, in Germany, 757 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:33,000 in the grand Imperial Throne Room, that later became a church. 758 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:47,000 The conclusion I come to is that the real heir of the Roman Empire 759 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,000 was Christendom. 760 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:54,000 Not an empire of political domination, or not only that, 761 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:58,000 but an empire of the mind. 762 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:02,000 And, in its own ambitions, at least, 763 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:07,000 still an empire without limit. 764 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,000 From the mythical beginnings of Romulus and Remus 765 00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,000 to the political and military systems that enabled expansion, 766 00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:30,000 it's the image of Rome that, for better or worse, 767 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:34,000 has acted as a benchmark for so many later empires. 768 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,000 Britain, Russia, America, even Nazi Germany, 769 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:43,000 have all tried to recreate what they saw as the glory of ancient Rome. 770 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,000 And they haven't avoided some of the same problems, dilemmas 771 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,000 and conflicts of imperial rule. 772 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:57,000 Today in the West, we still wonder where our boundaries lie 773 00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,000 and what limits should be placed on inclusion. 774 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,000 We've inherited the Romans' ambivalence too - 775 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,000 questioning whether the ends ever justify the means - 776 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:15,000 the tears alongside the victory parades. 777 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:28,000 2,000 years ago, the Roman historian, Tacitus, 778 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,000 offered one image of the fallout of Roman conquest. 779 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:36,000 "They make a desert," he wrote, "and they call it peace." 780 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,000 I first read that when I was a bit of an awkward teenager, 781 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,000 and I still remember the moment. 782 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,000 Because it was the first time that the Romans 783 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,000 actually seemed to speak to ME. 784 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:54,000 It was the brutal clarity of it that was so striking. 785 00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:01,000 And I guess that ever since, however much I've admired the Romans, 786 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,000 however much I've been repelled by them, 787 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,000 they have always held my attention. 788 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:13,000 For me, it's the conversation that we can still have with the Romans that's so important. 789 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:17,000 The conversation that makes us think harder about ourselves 790 00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:22,000 and about the ideas and problems that we have in common with them. 791 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:27,000 There's a little bit of the Romans in the head of every one of us. 792 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:32,000 And that's why Rome still matters. 70120

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