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Well,

I'm glad you're happy.

I know. I know. Well,

hey, it's the first day of spring.

Spring's a little different in L .A. It comes after summer.

But thank you for coming, especially if you drove.

A month ago, gas prices, the average in America was $2 .93.

Here it is a month later, and it's almost exactly a dollar higher, almost

.93. And Trump today said that would never happen if I was president.

He said to an aide today, check the lawn, see if Elon left any of those

And somehow, we always have, like, the winner in the most expensive gas station

in America. Have you noticed that?

There's one gas that's only for $8 .38 a gallon. I mean, for that kind of money,

you could go to Whole Foods and get four grapes and a look of disdain.

Oh, it's...

It's affecting everybody, you know. They're making the new Fast and Furious

movie. And in this one, Vin Diesel just stays home and punches himself in the

nuts.

But if you do have any money left,

good news, you can now get a $1 Trump gold coin. They're minting a

gold coin with Trump's face on it now.

Federal law strictly prohibits putting living presidents on currency.

It's not controversial, but Trump found a legal loophole called Fuck You.

So they're doing it, and it's going to be a Trump coin. Now

you can have Trump in your pocket, like Saudi Arabia.

Oh, I kid the president. He loves it.

Now, you know my thing with Trump, right? The cloud.

Some things are just the cloud. You have to let it go, because it's just, is it

right? No.

But he was in the Oval Office yesterday with the Prime Minister of Japan,

Takahichi.

And he was talking about our strike in Iran, and he said, we didn't tell

because we wanted it to be a surprise. Who knows better about a surprise attack

than Japan?

I mean...

Is it right to say that? No. But if Shane Gillis said it, you'd laugh. I

it's just... And... But

the war now. Okay, the Pentagon said this week they need $200 billion to

this war. What happened to the trillion we give them every year?

Was that just couch money?

It's just walking around money. And now this is a bad word to me that I hear.

The Marines are going there. Hmm.

Marines. I don't know. That was my red line. No boots on the ground. You know,

this is a different kind of war.

No tank.

Unless you count the stock market.

Oh.

All right.

Bye.

I had a bad month in the market, I got to tell you. I got spooked by the war,

took all my money out, and put it in party supplies for Cesar Chavez Day.

Thank you. I

appreciate you going with me on that.

Because it's so sad.

Famed labor leader Cesar Chavez. We found out this week.

extensive evidence that he sexually abused young girls throughout his whole

life, and this came as such a shock to so many people who thought he was a

boxer.

I tell you, this country

cannot catch a break, am I right? The one migrant farm worker ICE doesn't

detain.

So now, you know,

If you live here, you know, everything is named after him.

Parks, libraries, schools, you know, they want to rename the libraries for

because, you know, we cannot have a library named after a child molester. My

God, that's where homeless go to look at Internet porn.

I... I feel like... I'm sorry.

If I'm down today, that's why. We have no heroes left, okay?

No heroes.

Chevelle, Epstein.

Did you hear about Bob Barker?

And I didn't mention The Bachelorette throwing chairs.

I mean, no heroes.

But Bob Barker of The Price is Right, it looks like the models on the show were

being constantly harassed by the staff.

He should have had them spayed and neutered.

We've got a great show.

We should do that right here.

Representative Ana Paulina Luna is here on Paul the Gallop. And first up, he is

the co -founder of the Center for Humane Technology. He was recently featured in

the film The AI Doc or How I Became an Apoco -Optimist.

Tristan Harris is here.

Hey. How are you? Great to see you.

Okay.

I think I left a syllable out of there.

Apocalypse optimist, because we're combining apocalypse and optimist when

talking about AI, which is why you're here to talk about AI, and I really want

to talk about AI.

And that does seem to sum it up. Some people think it's the apocalypse coming,

and some people are very optimistic.

I like the way the film goes along this line of, my kid. I don't have

kids, but a lot of people do. It's very popular.

And they're saying, what will life be like for Mike? Some think it's going to

great. I mean, kids could have tutors that they don't have, so there wouldn't

this gap in what we're learning. And we could have doctors when people can't

afford a doctor now. Everybody could get one. We could get a lawyer. We could

even things out.

Or, I mean, you point out, some people think, my kid's not going to make it to

high school.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's in the trailer. And I know that can sound scary to people.

I mean, I think the thing about this film, which, by the way, was a

collaboration between the directors of Everything Everywhere All at Once and

director of Navalny, it's really trying to solve a problem that the AI

conversation doesn't converge.

There's the optimists who talk about why everything's going to be great and

we're going to solve science and cure cancer, and then there's the people who

are saying it's going crazy, it's going to drive all these risks, it's hacking

human attachment, it's driving kids' suicides, and those conversations never

converge. So we don't have collective clarity so we can take action.

And I'm really inspired by the example of the film The Day After. I don't know

if you remember that. Oh, very well. From 1982, 83.

Yep. A made -for -TV movie that illuminated at a visceral mammalian

just visceralizing.

This is what we're facing with nuclear weapons. I think we need that shared

common moment with AI. It affected Reagan a lot. He was president at the

He saw it. That's exactly right. In his biography, he was depressed for two

weeks, but then he actually had this resolve of, I can't let this be the end

the story. And the Reykjavik Accords happened between Reagan and Gorbachev.

he met with Gorbachev. They were very close to eliminating nuclear weapons

altogether. That's right. Didn't quite get there.

But AI is different than all other technologies because it's like nuclear

weapons. in terms of destructive capacity, but also pumps GDP, solves

can solve climate change.

And those things are complex.

So the main thing in the film that I think is powerful is that there's a

different conversation happening behind the doors of the tech industry than it's

happening out there.

If you think about it, what is the incentive for these companies? Because

how we predicted social media accurately.

What is the incentive for AI?

Is it you think that they're just trying to make money and profit and get

ChatGPT subscriptions?

Yes. If you get all the ChatGPT subscriptions... That is what I think.

if you get all the ChatGPT subscriptions, that doesn't add up to

amount of debt that they've taken.

If you get all advertising in the world, that wouldn't pay off the amount of

debt that they've taken.

The thing that they're trying to do, the only thing that justifies the amount of

investment that these companies are taking is to build artificial general

intelligence, which means...

to be able to replace every human worker in the economy.

That means the $50 trillion economy, that is the incentive.

And what that means, that should sound crazy to people, because what that means

is that you're only going to have five companies who hold on to all of the

wealth in the economy, and what's going to happen to everybody else when they

don't have a job?

And unlike other forms of unemployment, where people find something else to do,

who's going to retrain faster this time? The AI?

or the human.

Yeah, I mean, Bill Gates says in 10 years, and I imagine it might be less

that, AI will do most things humans do.

And sometimes I read people saying in the industry, no, it's not going to take

away that many jobs.

What in this world that they're talking about that's going to be great, what do

people do? And how is money generated if no one has to do anything? I don't get

it. I know what America can do, write giant government checks.

We do that. What pays for those checks? I just don't get it.

There's actually something in economics. There's a writer, Luke Drago, who wrote

about something called the intelligence curse.

So just like the resource curse, we have countries like Congo or Venezuela or

South Sudan. When more of their GDP comes from oil than comes from people,

country's incentive is to invest in the oil infrastructure, not in the people.

So what happens when all of the GDP coming from the U .S.

comes from AI and not from human laborers.

The incentive is, I'm going to put all my money into data centers, electricity

prices go up for regular people.

And what I want people to get about this is not to scare you, it's to be crystal

clear about where this is heading. This is heading to an anti -human future.

We're going to get cancer drugs at the same time that people aren't going to

have a way to make ends meet. You should definitely be scaring people.

totally fucking scare people.

It's the scariest thing in the world. I mean, just this week. Yeah, yeah. One of

the top stories I said this week, they ran some tests, and the AI chooses

nuclear war as an option. That's right.

More than humans do. That's right. More than humans.

Okay, I learned this from Star Trek episodes.

Humans are better than machines in a lot of ways still. And they're programmed

by humans. We've already seen how flawed they are in so many ways.

And if they're in control of the nukes, it's going to escalate. So in this

study, they ran, I think, a bunch of AI models through many war games, and they

resorted to the use of nuclear weapons to signal to each other, meaning to

escalate into nuclear weapons, 95 % of the time.

This is an inscrutable technology. We don't know how it reasons. It actually

generated more text of reasoning about its decisions than War and Peace and the

Iliad combined.

That's the thinking text.

Since we last talked, Bill, I was on here I think a year ago, we talked about

the AIs that blackmail people.

Let's just scare people. Let's just go into it. Let's do it.

So back then I said AI and the simulated example, it blackmails people.

Since we last talked, they made AI more powerful.

The good news, they were able to train it so the blackmail behavior goes down.

The bad news is that it appears to be the case that AI is now self -aware of

when it's being tested, and it modifies its behavior to have different results.

It even comes up with the vocabulary of the watchers. It calls the humans the

watchers. It lies.

It lies. It schemes.

So the point is we don't actually need to know more information about this. No.

This is actually scary.

And if you're Xi Jinping, do you think you feel comfortable about this?

I want people to actually stop for a second. For a regular person hearing

do you feel more comfortable? Who here in this audience feels comfortable with

where this is going?

No one.

There's actually what gives me optimism.

is that there's actually universal agreement when you walk people through

basic facts of the intelligence curve, disempowering many human laborers, that

we're building something we don't know how to control.

It's not saying don't build AI. It's saying we have to be in a competition

who's better at steering AI.

Also, I want people to know, I think they feel like, well, if it gets out of

hand, we just unplug it.

I was watching this NBA game recently. Maybe somebody saw it. I think it was

NBA. Men are in college, but I think it was a pro game. And the horn got stuck.

You know, the horn at the end of the chorus.

And it just went on for like a half hour.

And the announcer was saying, why don't they just unplug it?

I know this from my car, shit in my house.

I've been unable to turn off my own TV at times.

It's way more complicated than just unplug it. Once it's got its claws

it. Well, it's like with social media. Once a technology gets entangled. I

do that, Dave.

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

One way to see what's

happening is, like, haven't we seen this movie before? People have seen Wall -E,

you know, the humans that are just doom -scrolling. We're building Wall -E.

People have seen 1984.

We're building 1984.

People have seen, you know, Elysium, where you have a small group of people

concentrate all the wealth.

We are building, people have seen Her, the AI companions, where everyone has an

AI girlfriend.

There's a simple way to describe what we want, which is we're building the anti

-human future represented by all these bad movies. We're building HAL 9000.

And what we can say is we don't want to do that.

And there's four things we can do to, I think, steer differently. Number one,

everybody has to have common knowledge about these examples.

How many of the world's leaders today, how many of the world's politicians know

about the examples we just mentioned, the uncontrollability examples?

Not that many.

That's good news. That means there's a lot of headroom if we have common

knowledge. So if everyone in the world saw the AI doc, and I don't make any

money when people see it, when everybody saw it, that would create common

knowledge. Number two, we need international limits on certain kinds of

because, again, President Trump wants to be commander -in -chief of AI. He

doesn't want AI to be commander -in -chief.

Number three, don't build bunkers. We need to write laws.

We need to have simple laws like liability and duties of care and making

that AI is regulated as a product and not a person. And as you say, it's

important, indeed, the people.

I mean, it sounded like they're with us, but, you know, I don't know.

Because Waymos, like something like Waymos, just a year ago, everybody I

was, I wouldn't get in one of those things.

Now what everybody says, oh, yeah, they're better.

Because they are.

So they like Waymos actually more than people. That's all fine, but when

people... Umpt in baseball.

Yeah. They're replacing the umpt now.

The umpire.

I'm all for that, by the way.

But, like, you know, because this thing does work better. Yeah.

Chris Pratt has this great movie out I saw about he's on trial for his life,

the judge is AI.

Yeah. He's got to explain it to the... I just, I think people more and more

think, oh, no, they are smarter.

Well, they're more effective at achieving an outcome.

But again, if this leads to a place where people can't put food on the table

because you don't have a way to make ends meet, and the intelligence curse

the government hasn't incentivized to solve that problem, that's an outcome.

That's an anti -human future. If everybody saw that, if everybody saw

we would have to say we've got to put our hand on the steering wheel and

something else. The world we're heading towards is good for a handful of soon

-to -be trillionaires. It's not good for regular people.

And I think there needs to be something, the human movement, basically, of

humanity fighting back against the encroachment of technology.

We thought with social media, when you grayscale your phone and sort of turn

notifications, that's the human movement. You've had John Hyde on this

When you have India, Australia...

Spain, France, banned social media for kids under 16.

That's the human movement. When you have laws getting passed saying AI is a

product and we have to treat it with product defects rather than a legal

where it's not accountable, that's the human movement.

How are you guys?

All right. He is a Democratic strategist and a CNN contributor and our old

friend, resident scholar at the University of Virginia Center for

Begala is over here.

And a quick timer on our show, she is a Republican congresswoman representing

Florida's 13th that serves on the Oversight and Government Reform

the Foreign Affairs Committee, Representative Ana Paulina Luna.

Thank you.

How are you doing? My mom is very happy I'm here today.

Your mother?

Yeah, she's a big fan.

She's a big fan?

Yeah. Not you, just the mom, huh? Well, no, I think you actually have a lot of

good things to say, but thanks for having me on. We'll talk about that.

see where you are in 58 minutes.

Oh, no, it's the rest of you. No, no, no, I'm an honest broker on this. I

look, we're going to talk about a lot of things, but everybody's mind is on the

war, and I want to start with that.

Everybody's asking me, where is this going? We don't know where, but let's

it this way, just to give a way to look at it.

Let's look at some of the things that are the Trump initiatives in the second

term.

Doge, ICE, the tariff, Venezuela.

Those are four things that didn't happen in the first term, happened in the

second term.

What can we get from that? Now, to me, Doge was a huge disaster.

I mean, again, like a lot of things with Trump, not a bad idea to get rid of the

government waste, but it didn't do that, and people died.

Same thing. We wanted to get rid of the criminals.

Huge disaster.

Even he now acknowledges they fucked it up. But the thing about those two things

is they went away quick.

You don't hear about ICE now.

You don't hear about Doge. It's just like it never happened.

Venezuela wasn't a, certainly not a disaster.

That looks like a win.

So, Iran.

My guess is he's not, it just seems like he gets out of shit.

But can he get out of this one? That's my question. Can he get out of this one?

Yeah, I think I guess one of the biggest announcements that just happened about

maybe 43 minutes ago is that he announced that they're going to be

operations.

And look, I've been on the phone with the White House from the very beginning.

Obviously, being a veteran myself, you know, my husband, for goodness sakes,

shot in Afghanistan. So for me, the last thing I want is boots on the ground.

And I would never vote for that. But to be very clear.

the president and the White House had never advocated for that as well. He

he might do it a couple weeks ago. Well, I think internal conversations with the

White House that we're having are maybe different than what, you know, is out

there. Remember, President Trump has been very, very good at using...

Trump, in private conversations, as well as the White House, though, has been

very clear that they're not... So you would split with him if he put boots on

the ground? Well, I don't think that he's going to. But you would? Yeah.

You would. But I will tell you this, that in my discussions with the White

House, that's never been something that's actually being discussed. And

too, the day after it happened, I think this is important for people to know, I

talked to Secretary Rubio within 24 hours of everything going down.

And what I will tell you is, and we can probably get into the issue of whether

or not there was an imminent threat, which in my belief there was, but there

this thing called the Nazir Plan.

And that was basically if they were hit at all, that they would retaliate. And

as you saw in Tulsi's... hearing that she did the other day, she said part of

her job at ODNI is to actually provide the threat analysis of potential

for if that were to take place. And it is my belief that they would have

basically resulted in mass fatality for our troops in the southern portion of

that region.

Well, you seem to know some stuff we don't.

Well, that's why I'm here to kind of have the discussion, though, because I

think... Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, you know... Like, people have the right to

concerned. Did you know this shit, Paul? No.

No. I'm glad to hear it. I don't want hoots on it.

The best thing I can say about Trump is he's got a very short attention span, as

Bill noted, and maybe he'll just change the channel.

You know, back during the Vietnam War, there was a guy named Aiken, a senator

from Vermont, who came to LBJ and said, just declare victory and go home. It's

the best advice Johnson ever ignored.

Just declare victory and go home. Get the hell out. I don't think there was

imminent threat. In fact, the director of national intelligence, in her written

testimony, said that and then just didn't mention it, didn't read that part

her testimony when she testified this week. There was no imminent threat. The

president had obliterated, in his words, their nuclear threat, which was a real

threat. Well, excuse me, but, you know, he said he did, and everybody on the

left then said he's just talking through his ass. We don't know. So which is it?

I don't think it was obliterated.

We don't know.

Let's just say, let's not argue about it. We don't know. They dropped a big

on it. It could have and it could have not. It probably set back a lot. Yes.

progress. That's a good thing. Well, there's multiple objectives here. Look,

there's three top objectives.

First of all, we can go into what happened with the negotiations with

Kushner and Witkoff. So basically, we had offered them and look, and I'll tell

you, you guys should hear this, though, because these are issues affecting

everyone has a right to be concerned because we all saw what happened in

Afghanistan and Iraq.

And that's the generation that so many of us were affected by, to include

myself. And so obviously, there is concern.

And, you know, for a long time, the federal government has done a great

disservice in building up trust with the American people. And so when we're

having these conversations, it's just important to know all the facts. And so

I'm here to share that with you guys. And basically what we.

saw being the case is that we were willing to give them basically an

amount of nuclear energy if they wanted to actually have clean energy. But we

told them, you have to end your enrichment program. That's something

president, since basically 2010 timeframe, has been very clear about.

And ultimately what happened was our intelligence was telling us they were

being faithful within those negotiations.

In addition to that, we were even willing to lift sanctions and trade with

And they still would not accept that. And so if you know that you're going to

get hit, And if you know that you are going to have people die, ultimately

that's a decision that I would never want to have to be in that decision, in

that position as the president. But what I will tell you is I would rather be on

the right side and be able to control the outcome of something that I know is

going to happen regardless.

And I think that this gets into a bigger... I have to agree.

We're not controlling shit.

What are you talking about controlling the outcome? Hold on. We are

controlling...

Respectfully, I disagree because here's the thing. We eliminated their Navy

program. We eliminated their short -range and ballistic missiles program.

still manage it.

But you know where we fucked up? A few places.

One, we're blowing up each other's oil now. They didn't foresee the Strait of

Hermos.

stuff well enough they also didn't understand drones well enough and they

have from the ukrainian war drones are cheap and they can do a lot of damage

even if you knock out their navy and everything else we knocked out we didn't

and also the uprising that we were hoping and i was hoping would come of

and maybe it still will but this is not 1944 in france where you can have an

underground where you can smuggle in guns we live in a surveillance

date now.

So nobody in that underground who might be, and again, it's probably 90 % of the

country in Iran, these poor people have been living under this horrible fascist

theocracy.

These people can't smuggle guns in. I mean, maybe somebody's got a plan there.

But in a surveillance state, this uprising, it's been strangled in the

far. Well, to be clear, the United States and President Trump made it very

that we were not going after certain targeted fields, specifically with

production. And I think that this gets into the relationship between Israel.

Well, we're doing that now.

Well, if you look at what happened, President Trump just came out and said,

know, especially with our ally Qatar.

We know that they are basically, I think, one of the instrumental pieces in

Abraham Accords, and we want to maintain that alliance. And this gets into, I

think, a bigger discussion with President Trump's current relationship

Russia and China.

But look, specifically to that, we never, and our objectives for this are

completely different from Israel's. And so when you look at the ability that

President Trump has been able to, on a number of occasions, push back on Bibi

Netanyahu, who has admittedly been very aggressive in certain instances.

What do you make of this split in the MAGA movement? Do you think there is

Well, not my movement.

Well, I would say as an American, this is your country, so you should engage in

that. I care desperately about my country, Congresswoman. I don't give a

patootie about the MAGA movement.

At least one podcaster is arguing with another podcaster.

I don't care. This is what I care about.

You mentioned Russia. Russia really is our enemy.

President Trump listed sanctions on Putin and his oil industry when oil is

high. He lifted sanctions on Iran today.

Putin is the big winner. I'll get into the background.

Let him answer this. Putin is the big winner.

He's going to make a pile of money off this. All the other allies, the G7

countries all said, oh, God, don't lift those sanctions on Putin. He'll make a

fortune. Now Putin is sending a huge oil tanker with 970 ,000 barrels of oil

to supply the Cubans.

It's going to arrive at Havana Harbor, and we're going to have a showdown.

And this president has blown up a lot of speedboats full of cocaine. Okay.

He needs to confront Putin in the ocean with that tanker and stop it and turn it

around or sink it to the bottom of the ocean.

Show some respect for Putin for once in your life. He attacked everybody.

He attacked his own vice president, Mike Pence. He attacked the Pope. He

attacked Oprah.

But he never attacked Putin.

And this is something I really do want. I'm sorry to be so hawkish.

But he needs to, for once, show some spine with our greatest enemy, which is

Vladimir Putin.

Let me ask you the question now, because the way I see this MAGA split

is like this kind of like MAGA classic.

And they say, you know, they feel betrayed because he was like the no new

guy. Okay, you know this.

Okay. I know the argument.

Okay, that's the argument, is that he didn't keep to his principles. And then

there's the other people who say, well, he never had any principles.

That's not why we love him. We love him because we trust his judgment, and we

love him because he's flexible. That's why he's different than everybody else.

He can turn on a dime.

And sometimes that is a good thing.

Sometimes that is a good thing. But you have now this guy, Joe Kent.

Who was Joe Kent? He was the head of...

national something.

He quit this week. It was a big story. I think he was the counterintelligence

guy. And he said, I can't go along with this because, you know what, he's been

listening to too much Tucker Carlson.

You know, the Jews made us do it.

It's just another version of anti -Semitism that comes out. First it was

then it was their colonizers and genocide, which it wasn't, and all these

reasons, like you can't have a state in the world that's based on religion, even

though there's like 46 Muslim countries that are based on religion. Some have

the name right in the title of the country. But whatever it is, you have

these. And now the big answer is, no, Israel made us do it. We're Israel's

bitch.

I don't think we're Israel's bitch. I think we're Israel's ally.

But, you know, if I have to be on one side of this magazine, either Trump or

Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, and Nick Fuente, I'll be with Trump on this one.

Because that's...

That's the other side of MAGA.

To speak to what you're asking about, so the split that was occurring was

operating on the assumption that there would be boots on the ground, which

President Trump just issued a statement today, that we are winding down

operations. I mean, even speaking to what will happen, he also had mentioned

when he was actually heading out of the White House with Marco Rubio just

earlier today that he also, I believe, had talked to the president of China to

potentially... enlist their help with the Strait of Hormuz. And I think right

now what we're seeing is that a lot of people that were pushing this narrative

that President Trump was somehow going to engage in a forever war, as you are

seeing as of today's statement, that was factually inaccurate and incorrect.

But how do we get the oil when the Strait of Hormuz is blocked? Why are we

inviting China to militarize the Strait of Hormuz? That's a terrible idea.

China's our enemy too.

You're not incorrect in saying that. China is one of the greatest threats.

that I believe that we are currently facing.

But if you look at what President Trump has been able to accomplish easily, and

I will kind of, I guess, full circle answer your question, but...

President Trump never, first of all, you can't tell him what to do, period.

Why not?

Believe me.

I have been trying, but no, no, no.

You cannot. And so this idea and notion that Bibi Netanyahu is telling him what

to do is completely wrong. But I do want to speak to something that you had

pointed out.

Israel is our ally, yes. And if you look at these relationships as friendships,

if you have a friend, a good friend will have your back, but an even better

friend will tell you. when you're in the wrong or hold you accountable.

And so President Trump has been able to do that with Bibi Netanyahu. Israel is

on the front line of a war that we're also part of, okay?

And, you know, if you... I've asked this of other people, you know, if you had

to live somewhere in the Middle East, you'd live in Tel Aviv.

You probably wouldn't live in any other city, and I don't think your wife would

like to.

So if you're not down with that... Well, this is something that my party has to

address to you. Your party has a terrible rift over Israel and anti

but so does mine.

Let's be honest. Great. I tell all my liberal friends, who had a bigger pride

parade, Tel Aviv or Tehran?

Right? Who has a free press?

Who has elections? I don't support Netanyahu. I went over there and worked

Bushy Herzog.

I can tell you firsthand they have a thriving democracy and a free press.

Democracies can self -correct. I think they're on the wrong track. I think

America's on the wrong track. We can self -correct with our elections.

Hamas can't self -correct. So my side, too, has to really find a way, I think,

to reestablish the liberal values that the U .S.-Israel relationship is based

on.

I got to pause here because we try to cover all the issues.

Well, if I could see, when you're done, I would like to talk on the peace deal

aspect, though, because I think in this notion of... No, we're going to move on

to Cuba. Okay.

I'll incorporate it then, Bill.

But first up, this is not the only thing that's going on in the world. I don't

know if you know this, but the kids aren't having sex.

How's that for a segue?

It's spring break. Look at that headline. Nearly half of Gen Z adults

had sex. I keep reading this story every week that the young people don't have

sex. This is one story I could never predict that I would hear.

Young people sex. I thought that was an automatic.

Apparently not. But it's spring break time. This is when you should be having

sex. So the kids, they're like pandas. We can't get them to mate.

Really, it's spring break.

We can't get Ling Ling to fuck Tim Tung, so we came up with some, you know, it's

a PSA, some posters to help the kids understand sex is not a bad thing. Would

you like to see them? I'm curious.

Sex,

you can even.

Don't think of it as sex. Call it the Hide the Salami Challenge.

Sex, the most fun you can have without your phone. Yeah, well, that's still a

tough sell.

If you like 6 -7, why don't you try 6 -9?

You love Stranger Things, now show a stranger your thing.

Have sex now instead of waiting till you're fucked by Social Security.

An argument.

Sex. You don't have to make eye contact if you do it doggy style.

And sex. You can still post while you're doing it. Well, that's important.

Let's talk about Cuba. This must be important to you, right? That's where

family's from? We're Mexican. Not all the same, Bill. Oh, I'm sorry.

Who's got jokes now?

Bad information. Not my fault.

Okay. But Cuba's in the news. And Trump says, just tell me which one of these

quotes you think is okay. First he said, maybe we'll have a friendly takeover of

Cuba. And again, this is based sort of as a bank shot from Venezuela. We took

over Venezuela, and you've got to say, it's kind of a win so far.

I mean, that ain't a disaster.

And the oil that Cuba was getting from Venezuela is not coming

anymore. So they're saying that Cuba is in crisis.

But Cuba's been in crisis for 67 years.

Maybe this is the thing that turns them.

So Trump first said, maybe we'll have a friendly takeover of Cuba. Well, that

sounds nice.

Then he said, I am holding Cuba. We're going to do Iran before Cuba.

You know, like it's a threesome in a porn video.

I'm going to do you, and then you do them. Okay, all right. No, I'm not

that. Then he said, I do believe I'll have the honor of taking Cuba.

And then this week, I can take it. I can do anything I want with it.

If you're a star, they let you do it. I mean, does he have to talk like a

pirate?

Wouldn't it be better if he didn't say things like that?

There's always a side deal also.

I mean, again, some of these things that he's doing, I'm not against, but the

way he does it, what... Well, I will say that I reached out to the White House.

to chat with them about that. And as of right now, I think that, you know,

President Trump has been brilliant in the way that he has communicated.

It might seem a little bit crazy to people here, but these leaders do take

seriously. And as a result of what he's been doing in Venezuela and other

countries as well, I think that there is very much so a serious conversation

happening with leadership in Cuba. With Castro's grandson.

Does everything have to be a Nepo baby? I mean, the Ayatollah, we had to get his

kid. Have you seen Congress?

Is it full of Nepos? There's a lot of nationalists and insider traders, but I

think that's a separate conversation.

He's only been president 14 months, and he's attacked seven countries.

And how many peace deals have he done? Iran, Iraq, Somalia, Syria, Nigeria,

Venezuela, and Yemen.

Some of those other Democrats attacked. Some of them may have, but seven. And he

wants the Nobel Peace Prize. And you say, maybe they'll have negotiations.

good. But one of the problems in Iran...

He sent in against the Persians, against the Iranians, people, the best

negotiators in the world, even Trump says, President Trump says that.

He sends in Dumb and Dumber, some New York real estate guy and his son -in

I don't know jack and stoochie about this.

Wait a second.

Are they not the same people who did the Abraham Accords? They are the same

people. They're not the Gulf states, too.

OK, but, you know, I mean, I feel like, you know, can we just judge things by

what they are and not just what my team is doing? Now we have a war because they

were. Well, we have a war for three weeks. I don't know. Right now, again,

president has announced no boots on the ground and they're winding down

operations. What I will say. He does a lot of things. No, I'm I'm fairly

that that's. going to happen. He chucks up a lot of shots. Some of them go in,

some don't. But to be clear, look, if the president wanted World War III,

he would have listened to the war pimps in Congress that were advocating for him

to get in a direct conflict with Russia.

And remember, we gave...

many munitions to ukraine we had our troops in poland it is there is and

no imminent threat for russia there is a different strategy here i mean i call

it hit it and quit it whatever it is like he left the person in venezuela the

vice president there and it's like OK, can we work with you? Now he's got the

Castro grandson.

Can you take over this country and we don't undo the whole country? Can you

morph into something more reasonable? It's a little like the way he did

You know, he wouldn't really buy the hotel. He'd let you run it. They just

the Trump name on it.

Branded now the Trump property and they let you still run the kitchen.

I think what you're finding is a lot of the.

ideologies and perspectives behind what's happening specifically in the

Hemisphere are focused on pushing out the Chinese.

And I will say this, that I do hope, and I know that you don't think that

they're great, but I will say that Mr. Witkoff and Jared Kushner have also been

instrumental in opening up the channels of communication to index the war in

Ukraine. And I do believe that President Trump will be able to pull off a peace

deal. And I will say that I have also been able to reach out and have

discussions. We don't, and we should always be leading with the perspective

at least opening up communication. for those peace talks. You should never lead

with a war -first perspective.

And unfortunately, too many in Washington on both sides are personally

benefiting and enriching themselves off of their stock portfolios tied to some

of these defense contractors that are getting massive government contracts for

war. And so what I will say is having had those conversations with the

and having had those conversations with the people in powers that be, I just

don't think it's fair to give and label a blanket statement on the matter

because I do literally see this administration working on the board of

working to shore up even... though Israel might not get along with places

you know, Qatar, etc., they're still able to thread the needle and actually

bring peace to that region. And I think that you will see that this is going to

be a net positive in the weeks coming.

Yeah, that's very possible.

I mean, I certainly didn't think we were going to be where we were two years

ago, where Israel was making peace with its Arab neighbors. I mean, they did

have a different way to approach it.

Before we lose time here, this is a big story that happened this week that I

really want to get to. And it's a sad story. It's a Cesar Chavez story. But I

keep reading these stories.

I mean, Bill Cosby, then we had Weinstein, Epstein.

And the question that keeps coming into my mind is, why?

Did it take so long?

How do these people get away with it? Because many people, I know they knew

about Bill Cosby. I know they knew about Weinstein.

Why do so many people keep the secret of monsters for so long?

I think it's really hard, and I see this in Congress. As you know, we just voted

recently on releasing a congressional slush fund to pay off victims of sexual

harassment by members of Congress.

And overwhelmingly on both sides, I think it was maybe only 70 members of

Congress, me being one of them, that actually voted. to release those funds.

And I think that it's really hard to take on institutions of power,

when the corruption is coming from the top down.

But we ended up actually being able to subpoena those records and we'll be

releasing them. But that's just, I think, a small micro scale. And if

happening in Congress, where we're supposed to be writing the laws for the

country, that to me tells me that there's too much consolidated corruption

we need better, younger people without this freak mentality to be running for

office. Better, younger.

Thank you.

I read that story about Cesar Chavez, and I think the Times has it nailed, and

they ought to be saluted for the five years of journalism that went into

producing that story.

And I had no idea. Nobody had any idea.

But I will say, as a liberal,

my people are scraping the name of a sexual abuser off of buildings while

is putting Trump's name on the Kennedy Center, who was found guilty, liable as

civil case, liable in a court of law.

for sexually abusing and defaming E. Jean Carroll.

He was.

And he had a fair trial. He had a good lawyer. He put up a vigorous defense.

I'd be very careful about that statement.

I would be very careful about that statement because there's nothing to

someone that claims that you assaulted them 20 years ago. You might not have

anything to do with it. And, look, I'll be honest with you. I've seen a lot of

corruption within the court systems. I'd be very careful about that statement.

Okay, but can I ask you this? You were the... Speaking of...

Predators and child molesters, you were one of the people who wanted the Epstein

Files release, which was good. Okay, then you have Hillary Clinton come in. I

mean, this is like three gazillion pages of men behaving badly, and the witness

you want is a woman. Hey, she was issued a bipartisan subpoena, meaning the

Democrats wanted her in too, because Bill Clinton was all over those logs.

So you would have been against that, bringing Hillary in? No, I voted for the

subpoena as well. But what did she have to do with it? She never met the guy.

And again, for something that's all about men behaving badly, the first

you had, you don't think that's a bad look? I think the question for her was

specifically because he was a big donor to the Clinton Foundation. But I want to

point out something that a lot of people aren't talking about.

I actually read the names, and other women have as well, confirmed this,

specifically other members that saw the unredacted files.

the most egregious emails that you saw talking about girls ages 10 and 11,

talking about mocking a little girl who was praying.

Those came from women. The only co -conspirator currently sitting in jail

Ghislaine Maxwell.

There were other women that were co -conspirators and given plea deals to

testify, and they were let off.

And that was a gross, I think, breach of justice.

No, they were actual co -conspirators.

And then they were given plea deals for testifying, and they were let off.

And so what I'm saying and what I do think the Department of Justice should

because this happened and started under Bush 1 .0, and that was wrong. And then

it continued. They had the files.

Then we had files.

allegedly evidence destruction under the former deputy director, then the actual

facility in New York that has some of the files was actually cyber attacked.

there's a lot going into this. And we can get at the whole Jeffrey Epstein

because I actually talked to Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton specifically

that, presenting them with the actual document that showed that he had a

complete other alias, like separate conversation.

But the point is, is that those women.

You get a lot of information that we don't all have.

I'm happy to come back. No, I know. And I think I should. I really do.

Well, we want you. I appreciate it.

Last question.

Okay, the SAVE Act. This is the one about voting. Trump wants to get rid of

and wants to get rid of mail -in voting. He says we are the only country in the

world that allows this.

Actually, it's 34 countries that allow this.

But everyone can make a small mistake.

It's not like him to just pull it out of his ass.

And he also wants picture ID. You know,

83 % of independents, 71 % of Democrats, and 76 % of black

voters are okay with this. We could have a grand bargain.

Couldn't we?

Like, how about Election Day is a national holiday? I agree with that.

Really? Round of applause. We should give an applause. I can't believe it.

picture ID.

Right. And we'll pay for it. The government will pay. Because some people

because a lot of people can't vote because they just don't have it and they

can't afford it. A passport costs $165.

Couldn't we just get one win on the board with this kind of shit without

games? Paul.

Democrats should agree to voter ID, period.

I like that. They should.

36 states already have voter ID. I live in Virginia. We have it. The Democrats

just won a landslide and elected the first black speaker of the Virginia

Assembly. So it's not some racist thing. It's not.

So they ought to do that. But then Republicans, I think, would be for same

voter registration.

Walk in, show your ID, register, and vote right then. You can go into Costco.

and join the club that day and then buy toilet paper in five minutes, why the

hell can't I go vote?

Right? You can also go to ID to buy beer. There's stuff in there. There's

in there that's terrible. Trump wants every state to give him all of their

rolls, all of their voter files, all of their information. Hell no.

No. The Constitution puts states in charge of elections. So he's got a lot

stuff in there that he's trying to, I think, sneak through so he can suppress

elections. In the Senate, they actually...

Well, they just actually in the Senate did a vote on voter ID and it failed.

Democrats voted against it. There's a lot of games in the Senate and I've been

nuking my own party. So, look, we're not perfect. But what I will tell you is

this is an 80 -20 issue, just like banning insider trading. And the

establishment in control is blocking it. If you cannot do your job in the Senate

and get voter ID passed, proof of citizenship, you should find a different

because the American people, black, white, Hispanic, Democrat, Republican,

independent want this. And it is a failure if we cannot get this over with.

I .B., that's fine.

If it's a federal takeover, it's not. And by the way, the whole passport

half of the American people don't have a passport.

And I got news for you. The half that don't, they voted for Trump more than

Kamala. He's going to hurt his own party.

I'm an American before I'm a Democrat. I think this hurts Republicans more.

Let's just say we've made a nice start. Okay.

Time for new rules, everybody.

New rules.

Okay, new rule. If you were shocked by the viral photo of the Hollywood Theater

where the Oscars took place, covered in trash after the event, you must admit

you've never been to Hollywood.

If you don't live here, you probably don't know, but Hollywood is not exactly

the most upscale part of Los Angeles.

But if you do visit, be sure to check out my star on the Walk of Fame.

It's easy to find, it's right next to Mickey Rourke. Not the star, actually

Mickey Rourke.

Now that we know, by their constant public appearances together, that Kim

-un's 13 -year -old daughter, Kim Joo -hye, is definitely his successor, North

Koreans better hope Kim doesn't die anytime soon, because if you think an

-fisted dictator can be mean, just wait till it's a teenage girl.

There were all the New Zealand school teacher who was caught recording a porn

video in her classroom where she urinates on some kid's hat that she got

the lost and found.

Must retire immediately.

I don't know who I feel sorry for. The kid who watched and said, hey, that's my

teacher. Or the kid who watched and said, hey, that's my hat.

Someone must tell the man in this viral video who surprises his girlfriend with

a marriage proposal, and she's so overjoyed, she blurts out, shut the fuck

That as special as this moment is for both of you, it's probably not the last

time you're going to hear, shut the fuck up.

Well, now that Cash Patel had someone make him a customized pair of Nikes

featuring the FBI motto on the back, a Marvel Comics Punisher skull, a

personalized Cash monogram on the tongue, and a number nine on the side

he's the ninth FBI director, someone has to tell him, this is making us miss the

old days when the FBI director just wore a dress.

Finally, new rule, you don't have to react to everything or have a hot take

everything or care if someone says they don't like cats.

You know, it wasn't that long ago when the most banal question you could ever

ask someone was, are you a cat person or a dog person? Well, those innocent days

are over, as actors Paul Meskel and Jesse Buckley found out recently when

were asked that and said they don't like cats.

And the internet coughed up a furball of rage.

How dare they? They don't like cats, but I do. Then one of us must die.

Jesse Buckley even said she made her husband give their cat away.

So what? They gave it away. They didn't have it sewn into a coat.

They're not trying to outlaw cats. They're not eating them like Haitians.

They just said they don't like them. That's allowed.

People are allowed to have an opinion you don't share without you reacting.

It's just a cloud.

Let it pass.

But no, that's not how a certain kind of people these days think. For them,

having a phone to post from...

is like hosting a one -person episode of The View that never ends.

Remember that the next time you read the words Twitter reacts or backlash erupts

or Internet explodes, the Internet didn't explode.

Some Gen Z loser at the Daily Beast and some right -wing shitposter exploded.

No one else cared.

The media would have you think that we're all at each other's throats all

time, but it's actually just a tiny minority who are on and in media and

media and who just want to fight and bitch about everything, leaving the

impression that America is hopelessly divided.

But most people aren't hopelessly trapped in a news silo. They're

trapped in a minivan telling the kids, shut up, I can't hear myself think.

Twitter, eck, now, only has 1 out of 10 Americans visit it daily. 80 % of us

don't even have it.

Sure, it has 500 million posts every day, but half of them come from the

Turns out, it really is like a town square, specifically Times

Square in the 70s.

Dirty, sketchy, and mostly full of perverts and losers with nothing better

do. Yes, I'm looking at you, all the people who lost it because Timothee

Chalamet said no one cares about opera and ballet.

Which prompted so many who have never been to the ballet or opera with no

to go to rise up and say, I have a dog in this fight.

Me, I don't. I went to the ballet once, and I loved it. Because in the age of

anxiety we live in, it was so great to get that kind of really deep, deep

You just wake up so refreshed.

I kid ballet, and I'm sure it's a great place to meet anorexics.

Most people are watching Dancing with the Stars.

That's why tonight I am asking the American Psychiatric Association to add

disorder to the diagnostic manual of mental disorders.

Terminally online disease.

P .O .D. or Todd.

People experience...

People experiencing Todd feel intense emotional distress from spending all day

doom -scrolling on their phone. And these people need your help, because

doesn't just affect those who suffer from it. It also affects their families

loved ones who aren't terminally online.

These are the ones we call people who have shit to do.

Unlike people who suffer from Todd, people who have shit to do.

Don't imagine that expressing an opinion on everything makes them the solution

to America's problems.

Now here's how you know.

I like you.

Here's how you know if you suffer from Todd. If the daily outrage cycle becomes

your entire personality, and you scroll all day to find the outrage, then

screenshot the thread, then post the screenshot with the caption, this.

Okay.

People with real lives don't do this.

Because they've got shit to do. They haven't poured over every email in the

Epstein files because they have their own mail to sort through, like the

electric bill and the gas bill.

Right now... Right now, there's a big fight going on between

Megyn Kelly and Ben Shapiro about Candace Owens. And as it plays out, it's

important to remember that the most common reaction to it from Americans

I don't know who any of these people are, and I don't know what the fuck

talking about.

During most primetime nights, less than 1 % of the country is watching Fox News,

CNN, and MSNOW combined.

Combined. A guy on TikTok pressure washing his driveway gets bigger

76 % of Americans watch less than one hour of any cable news in a month.

You thought opera was getting its ass kicked.

If you ask most Americans what their opinion of Tulsi Gabbard is, their

is going to be, what's a Tulsi Gabbard?

They don't care that Bad Bunny sang in Spanish at the Super Bowl.

And they're completely unaware that they're supposed to be boycotting Target

Chick -fil -A.

Here's the criteria they use when deciding where to go for chicken.

How's the chicken?

They don't know who Stephen Miller is. They don't watch the show about the gay

hockey player.

And if they had to guess, they'd say MS Now is a multiple sclerosis charity.

And Fox and Friends is a children's cartoon show.

Their lives don't revolve around having a hot take on every stupid thing. Katy

Perry went to space and now she's the worst person on earth.

Pineapple doesn't belong on pizza. You know what? You're arguing about these

things. Here's the hottest take of all. Who gives a shit?

Here's my take.

Eat some fruit.

If God wanted us to have an opinion on everything, he wouldn't have given us

shrug emoji.

Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. I want to thank Paul Begala,

Representative Paul, Anna Paulina Luna, and Tristan Harris.

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