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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,199 --> 00:00:04,160 Ryanair dominates the European sky. 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,598 Valued at 30 billion Euro, 3 00:00:07,599 --> 00:00:10,559 its low-cost model has made travel affordable for everyone. 4 00:00:11,519 --> 00:00:14,120 Starting as a scrappy disruptor... 5 00:00:14,959 --> 00:00:16,119 Cheers to Ryanair. 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,479 ...that struggled to fly. 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,039 Ryanair was in the brink of collapse. 8 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:22,638 This was your life's work to date. 9 00:00:22,639 --> 00:00:24,878 I mean, did you feel devastated by the whole thing? 10 00:00:24,879 --> 00:00:27,638 Knocked off my ass, if I may use a crudism. 11 00:00:27,639 --> 00:00:32,438 Until a wiry new CEO executed a brazen low-cost model. 12 00:00:32,439 --> 00:00:35,918 ARCHIVE: His standard dress for work is blue jeans and check shirts. 13 00:00:35,919 --> 00:00:39,198 And transformed Ryanair into one of Europe's top ten airlines 14 00:00:39,199 --> 00:00:40,958 by the end of the 20th century. 15 00:00:40,959 --> 00:00:43,638 Everything you do contributes towards the bottom line. 16 00:00:43,639 --> 00:00:45,878 Michael O'Leary's obsession with watching pennies 17 00:00:45,879 --> 00:00:49,318 had the pounds in their millions take care of themselves. 18 00:00:49,319 --> 00:00:52,838 ARCHIVE: Ryanair profits soared by 33% last year. 19 00:00:52,839 --> 00:00:54,878 Oh yeah, it's all about money, isn't it? 20 00:00:54,879 --> 00:00:56,239 It's low cost... 21 00:00:56,959 --> 00:00:58,039 ...At all costs. 22 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,198 As the 21st century creates new chaos for Ryanair... 23 00:01:01,199 --> 00:01:03,039 (COMMOTION) 24 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,958 I would pay no attention whatsoever to Elon Musk, he's an idiot. 25 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,759 ...it's up to Michael to navigate the turbulence ahead. 26 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,199 If he can't go through you, he'll go around you. 27 00:01:16,519 --> 00:01:19,918 RADIO: Ireland, you can have the last word. 28 00:01:19,919 --> 00:01:21,838 The last word. With Matt Cooper. 29 00:01:21,839 --> 00:01:23,479 On Today FM. 30 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,638 Cathal Thomas and Marion McKeown are with us. 31 00:01:25,639 --> 00:01:26,679 Where to start? 32 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,159 Actually, Marion, you know where we'll start... 33 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,198 Michael O'Leary didn't go into Ryanair 34 00:01:30,199 --> 00:01:32,999 because he had any great love of aviation. 35 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,479 {\an8}It wasn't his ambition to make Ryanair what it is now. 36 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,679 {\an8}It was his ambition to make as much money from it as he could. 37 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,439 Michael? Yes? 38 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,119 (CAMERAS CLICK) 39 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,360 Got it? 40 00:01:46,559 --> 00:01:50,198 One of six children, he grew up in the 60s and 70s 41 00:01:50,199 --> 00:01:52,959 in the farming community of Mullingar. 42 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,999 Michael O'Leary was a child of privilege, 43 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,959 no matter how much he might like to portray himself as an ordinary man. 44 00:02:01,959 --> 00:02:04,399 He was educated in Clongowes College, 45 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,680 an elite boarding school with a Jesuit focus on discipline. 46 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,638 Michael's father was an entrepreneur 47 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,838 and ran a wool textile company in Mullingar. 48 00:02:14,839 --> 00:02:18,918 He would have observed his father getting into financial difficulties. 49 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,598 He was the type of guy who was always buying when everyone else 50 00:02:22,599 --> 00:02:25,159 was buying and always selling when everyone else was selling, 51 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,318 and that is not the way to actually get rich in business. 52 00:02:28,319 --> 00:02:31,278 I suspect that there was always a degree of concern 53 00:02:31,279 --> 00:02:34,518 for Michael O'Leary that the lifestyle that he was becoming 54 00:02:34,519 --> 00:02:36,759 used to could be taken away from him. 55 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,958 After graduating from Trinity College, 56 00:02:38,959 --> 00:02:41,638 he entered the world of business. 57 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,598 He went where he felt he could make money. 58 00:02:44,599 --> 00:02:45,759 He wanted to make money 59 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,518 and make as much money as he possibly could quickly. 60 00:02:48,519 --> 00:02:49,999 {\an8}If you cut him, 61 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,000 {\an8}his DNA, he bleeds private sector market economy. 62 00:02:54,519 --> 00:02:56,720 PRESENTERS: Happy New Year! 63 00:02:57,279 --> 00:03:02,119 {\an8}The dawn of the new millennium, an era of excitement and optimism. 64 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:03,878 A happy new year to all of you. 65 00:03:03,879 --> 00:03:06,878 ♪ (CHEERFUL MUSIC) 66 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:08,638 ARCHIVE: The much-hyped bug 67 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,639 which threatened to throw the world into chaos failed to bite. 68 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,199 (MUSIC FADES TO STOP) 69 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,838 Michael O'Leary was about to face a global crisis 70 00:03:26,839 --> 00:03:28,759 that would test his mettle. 71 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,679 (TRAIN RATTLES) 72 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,359 That day, 73 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,079 I got a call from the Stansted press team 74 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,638 saying we think you'd better come up to our office. 75 00:03:37,639 --> 00:03:40,318 There's something going on that you need to see. 76 00:03:40,319 --> 00:03:43,160 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC) 77 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,198 I was flying four sectors, four flights that day, 78 00:03:48,199 --> 00:03:50,719 {\an8}and when we came back to Dublin and landed, 79 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,639 {\an8}just like everybody else was shocked. 80 00:03:54,319 --> 00:03:59,119 The world lost some of its innocence and some of the carefree nature 81 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,318 of travel was lost. 82 00:04:01,319 --> 00:04:03,839 You instantly think of the crew. 83 00:04:04,519 --> 00:04:08,159 ARCHIVE: Cabin staff overcome with emotion who burst into tears, 84 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,679 aware of the fate that had befallen their colleagues 85 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,519 on the four hijacked aircraft. 86 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,039 September 11 was just a complete watershed 87 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,519 in everything but in aviation. 88 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,878 The World Trade Centre attacks, 9-11 brought aviation to a halt. 89 00:04:29,879 --> 00:04:32,638 {\an8}Airlines were cancelling orders, cancelling routes. 90 00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:36,079 Boeing couldn't sell an aircraft for love nor money. 91 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,278 ARCHIVE: Continental Airlines is laying off 12,000 people. 92 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,159 BUSH: One of the great goals of this nation 93 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,198 is to restore public confidence in the airline industry. 94 00:04:44,199 --> 00:04:47,079 One of the effects obviously was with all these cancelled orders, 95 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:51,359 Boeing and Airbus had orders cancelled left, right and centre. 96 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,439 They might have to shut down the production line 97 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,679 for their short-haul aeroplanes. 98 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,159 And to shut down a production line and restart it cost billions. 99 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,238 So for anybody looking to buy aeroplanes, it was a buyer's market. 100 00:05:03,239 --> 00:05:07,799 Michael ordered more aircraft when nobody was doing so. 101 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,119 Michael O'Leary arrived in Seattle and said, 102 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:11,999 I'm going to buy all those aircrafts. 103 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,760 The employees cheered him. 104 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,079 The deal of 100 new aircraft for $9 billion 105 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,238 brought Boeing back from the brink of collapse. 106 00:05:22,239 --> 00:05:24,759 It was certainly one of the best deals in history. 107 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,958 Michael seized the opportunity, 108 00:05:26,959 --> 00:05:30,319 a gamble in a world now nervous of air travel. 109 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,479 Something about Michael O'Leary is that 110 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,439 he just seems to have that natural antennae. 111 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,359 He has that understanding of what people are like 112 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:42,878 and how they're going to behave. 113 00:05:42,879 --> 00:05:45,559 He said, no, people will want to go and fly. 114 00:05:46,199 --> 00:05:49,120 Ryanair needed to fill these new planes. 115 00:05:49,879 --> 00:05:51,918 People questioned it at the time. 116 00:05:51,919 --> 00:05:54,159 He's not going to find the markets for this. 117 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,599 He's going to get saddled with debt. 118 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,759 Ryanair's reaction was to sell seats to London for a tenner 119 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,278 and we filled the aeroplanes. 120 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,318 He just made the market explode. 121 00:06:03,319 --> 00:06:06,159 People who'd never flown before and who'd never thought of flying 122 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,518 {\an8}and who'd never thought of a mini-break in Paris or Brussels, 123 00:06:09,519 --> 00:06:11,958 suddenly those people were booking flights and getting on planes 124 00:06:11,959 --> 00:06:14,519 and getting out of Ireland just because it was so cheap. 125 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,359 The new 737s went through a Michael pass. 126 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,558 ♪ (WHIMSICAL MUSIC) 127 00:06:21,559 --> 00:06:24,278 {\an8}The obsession on building a lean machine 128 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,480 {\an8}is what makes tickets low and what makes profit higher. 129 00:06:31,519 --> 00:06:33,558 When they went to Boeing to figure out, 130 00:06:33,559 --> 00:06:35,999 well, how can we make this operating model cheaper? 131 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:40,119 They actually turned the stairs into a step in the process to make, 132 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,919 again, onboarding and offloading cheaper. 133 00:06:44,199 --> 00:06:46,999 Which meant they didn't have to buy gates closer to the terminal, 134 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,040 which meant they could buy cheaper gates, which meant costs were low. 135 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,838 Did you really want to charge to use toilets on Ryanair planes, 136 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:58,198 yes or no? Yes. 137 00:06:58,199 --> 00:06:59,999 If I can get rid of the 2 toilets at the back of the planes, 138 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,359 I can add 6 extra seats. 139 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,439 With 6 extra seats, I can lower everybody's airfare by another 5%. 140 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,039 There's been a lot of skimping on things like bolt upright seats 141 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,999 which don't recline, nowhere to actually put your things 142 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,679 because they got rid of the baskets on the back of the seats. 143 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,439 They didn't want to have to go to the effort of cleaning them. 144 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,399 {\an8}Part of the role of the cabin crew is to go through the cabin 145 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,278 {\an8}with a black plastic bag, 146 00:07:22,279 --> 00:07:24,359 which aesthetically isn't very pleasing 147 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,199 for the customer that's sitting there. 148 00:07:28,639 --> 00:07:32,958 {\an8}Ryanair and Michael O'Leary had this intuition 149 00:07:32,959 --> 00:07:35,958 {\an8}that they needed to grab our attention, 150 00:07:35,959 --> 00:07:37,719 to grab the microphone. 151 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,318 And grab the microphone is exactly what he did. 152 00:07:41,319 --> 00:07:43,918 In economy, it'll be very cheap fares, say 10 Euro, 153 00:07:43,919 --> 00:07:46,958 and in business class, it'll be beds and blowjobs. 154 00:07:46,959 --> 00:07:48,599 (LAUGHTER) 155 00:07:49,959 --> 00:07:52,958 Like, it's a very competitive market, you've got to get ratings. 156 00:07:52,959 --> 00:07:58,439 So the way to do it is to bring a real, live, knock-down, 157 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,679 drag-out fight on air. 158 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,878 A visceral attrition is gold dust to the media. 159 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:07,638 We've spent the last 12 years competing with these buggers 160 00:08:07,639 --> 00:08:09,918 and we're not damned if we're going to stand aside 161 00:08:09,919 --> 00:08:12,159 while somebody shovels them another lump of money 162 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,079 to stuff it to us again for the next couple of years. 163 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,679 He's well capable of hamming it up. 164 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,599 And he does ham it up. 165 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,319 These are Ryanair staff. 166 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:24,919 It is very ick. It's just awful. 167 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:27,518 You create your own publicity. 168 00:08:27,519 --> 00:08:29,558 Stupid politician. 169 00:08:29,559 --> 00:08:32,197 He's very good at doing that in fairness to him and has been. 170 00:08:32,198 --> 00:08:35,317 Michael, I might have an idea. You shut up! 171 00:08:35,318 --> 00:08:38,239 Why pay somebody else when you can do it like Michael O'Leary does? 172 00:08:38,558 --> 00:08:43,838 Ryanair understood the idea of the attention economy. 173 00:08:43,839 --> 00:08:48,318 They knew that their ads and their press antics were all 174 00:08:48,319 --> 00:08:51,399 to serve the purpose of grabbing our attention. 175 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,159 Have we done anything wrong? No. 176 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,999 It was the things that people wanted to say but couldn't, 177 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,119 but this brand were ballsy enough to do it. 178 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,359 The way he talks about people who are heavily obese. 179 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,878 These monsters taking up two seats. 180 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:08,519 For fecks sake, who says that? 181 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:10,999 He would do things in interviews 182 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,558 like climb up on the boardroom table for the photographer. 183 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,719 And he understood, and we understood as well, 184 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,159 that it was a bit of a performance. 185 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,918 He deliberately is provocative in everything he does 186 00:09:20,919 --> 00:09:22,119 because he's selling a brand. 187 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:27,318 I think Michael has very creatively learned how to get a persona across 188 00:09:27,319 --> 00:09:31,079 that people relate to and that people buy into. 189 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,558 But I still think the quiet, shy, retiring Michael 190 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,958 is probably still there, probably in Gigginstown with the horses, 191 00:09:37,959 --> 00:09:40,480 but they're the only ones that get to see it. 192 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:43,639 Right, that's our photos. 193 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,039 ARCHIVE: In the beginning, you could only hear the news on RTE 194 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:52,079 on the wireless. 195 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,918 Then you could see it on the telly. 196 00:09:53,919 --> 00:09:57,479 But from today, there's a third way to watch and listen to the news, 197 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:58,760 on the internet. 198 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:01,759 When the world entered the wide web, 199 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,799 Ryanair was one of the first airlines 200 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,039 to take us through the looking glass. 201 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,439 {\an8}What you did then was you called someone. 202 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:12,119 {\an8}You called either an airline or got in touch with a travel operator or 203 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,318 you visited their bricks-and-mortar offices and you arranged things. 204 00:10:16,319 --> 00:10:20,399 What is significant about Ryanair from a digital standpoint 205 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,159 is they were very early to own the channel. 206 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:27,278 You no longer have to visit a travel agent that has to take a cut. 207 00:10:27,279 --> 00:10:29,039 That can cut a lot of costs. 208 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:33,160 ♪ (COME FLY WITH ME) 209 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:36,799 Looking at the website from 2000, it's really simple. 210 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:41,759 You've got just a list of the routes and they are astoundingly low. 211 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,039 There's routes for £4 and £1. 212 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:45,679 Simple yet effective. 213 00:10:45,680 --> 00:10:48,679 The website allowed people to buy directly from the airline. 214 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:50,439 And within 12 months, 215 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,559 they were seeing the majority of their bookings going via online. 216 00:10:55,680 --> 00:10:59,720 OFF CAMERA: Cast your mind back to Celtic Tiger era Ireland. 217 00:11:00,879 --> 00:11:03,719 ARCHIVE: This is the brave new world of the Irish economy. 218 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,958 One of the most buoyant economies in Europe. 219 00:11:06,959 --> 00:11:09,719 The Celtic Tiger was like a really brash, 220 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,160 kind of out-there time in Ireland. 221 00:11:13,879 --> 00:11:17,119 {\an8}The Celtic Tiger brought so much more inward investment, 222 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,479 {\an8}brought all the big companies in here. 223 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,558 With low-cost fares, people were flying out 224 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,238 and some people were actually getting up in the morning 225 00:11:25,239 --> 00:11:27,480 and going to a job in another country. 226 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,719 Nobody surfed that wave quite as well as Michael O'Leary. 227 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,479 He just capitalised on it and made lots of money out of it. 228 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,999 With the click of a button, Ryanair found more ways to sell things. 229 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,719 Auxiliary income is all the extras in the upselling 230 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:45,918 that Ryanair would do. 231 00:11:45,919 --> 00:11:48,359 The second you click book and you buy your ticket, 232 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,119 you are hit and bombarded with 233 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,039 a series of messages and prompts and pop-ups. 234 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,359 That could be anything from extras to food. 235 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,479 Extra baggage you bring on board, changing flights. 236 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,040 To scratch cards. 237 00:12:00,839 --> 00:12:03,799 The scratch cards and things, but they still do the scratch cards. 238 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,759 Are you going to charge for people to actually have their seat numbers? 239 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,479 You will have the option of paying to select your seat 240 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,278 or you have the option of having a seat allocated to you for free. 241 00:12:12,279 --> 00:12:13,400 It would be your choice. 242 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:16,679 Priority boarding is a bloody longer queue than the other one. 243 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:18,439 I don't know what's priority about it, 244 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,359 but it's worth an extra 20, 30 euros a flight for Ryanair. 245 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,198 These auxiliaries is what makes Ryanair profitable. 246 00:12:24,199 --> 00:12:27,440 In all cases, without charges, they are optional. 247 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:37,199 Ryanair was not the only scrappy Irish airline to strike opportunity. 248 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,120 There was a little airline flying... 249 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,638 {\an8}...initially from Galway Airport to the Aran Islands. 250 00:12:49,639 --> 00:12:51,439 {\an8}I got blown away with the 251 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,799 aeroplane flying across Galway Bay 252 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,958 and landing on this small little runway 253 00:12:57,959 --> 00:13:00,999 and the sea is coming up on the other side. 254 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,558 I said, wow, this is mad. 255 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,278 Years afterwards, I remortgaged my home, 256 00:13:06,279 --> 00:13:10,159 got a little bit of a loan from the bank and got a partner 257 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,958 and we bought the airline. 258 00:13:11,959 --> 00:13:15,360 Aer Arann, a lifeline in the west of Ireland, had ambition. 259 00:13:16,599 --> 00:13:19,040 Aer Arann. Aer Arann. 260 00:13:20,199 --> 00:13:23,159 Income was quite low with a small number of passengers. 261 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,598 There was about half a million tourists coming to Galway City 262 00:13:25,599 --> 00:13:28,719 every year and we'd put signs up, flight to the Aran Islands, 263 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,918 so passenger numbers started increasing and increasing. 264 00:13:31,919 --> 00:13:35,039 In the 1990s, it began to expand. 265 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,999 So I said, we'll fly over Dublin and fly people to Manchester, London, 266 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,278 Glasgow, Edinburgh, even to France. 267 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:44,679 All of a sudden, like, the airline went from 2.5 million turnover 268 00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:48,000 to about 120 in the space of probably about four years. 269 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,479 We're the fastest growing regional airline in Europe, 270 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,518 flying up to 20 flights a day 271 00:13:54,519 --> 00:13:56,759 between Cork and Dublin and back down again. 272 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,440 Next thing was, O'Leary announces they're doing Cork-Dublin. 273 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:07,479 In 2006, Ryanair undercut Aer Arann, running routes at a loss. 274 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,719 I got a message from his secretary. 275 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,080 Basically said, Michael would like to meet you. 276 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,479 I went up and he had a big office. He says, it's not going to work. 277 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,760 If I were you, I'd go back to where you came from, Connemara. 278 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,839 Because I can tell you here now, it's not going to work for you. 279 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,399 But I was saying, Michael, I'm going to keep it going. 280 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,159 He said, well, why? 281 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,799 There's no leeway, it's black and white with him. 282 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,958 You know, you're either in or out. 283 00:14:42,959 --> 00:14:45,558 Do this, if you don't do this, move on. 284 00:14:45,559 --> 00:14:48,238 After years of battling an aviation goliath, 285 00:14:48,239 --> 00:14:51,119 Pádraig would eventually face an even fiercer foe. 286 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,360 (EXPLOSION BOOMS) 287 00:14:54,879 --> 00:14:56,999 ARCHIVE: This volcano in Iceland has erupted, 288 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:01,080 spreading a plume of volcanic ash across European airspace. 289 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,359 {\an8}The unpronounceable volcanic eruption in Iceland 290 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,558 {\an8}grounded flights across Europe. 291 00:15:07,559 --> 00:15:10,878 ARCHIVE: Spreading volcanic ash has forced the cancellation 292 00:15:10,879 --> 00:15:13,719 of hundreds of flights this weekend. 293 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:18,080 At worst, the volcanic ash could cause chaos for some weeks yet. 294 00:15:20,239 --> 00:15:24,638 Aer Arann couldn't compete and are treated back to Connemara. 295 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:27,760 We didn't have the financial resource that Ryanair had. 296 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:29,800 Ryanair knew that. 297 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,958 But you have to stand back and admire what's been done, 298 00:15:33,959 --> 00:15:37,080 and I do, and I respect that, and I respect Ryanair. 299 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:42,999 I spoke to Tony Ryan and he felt saddened by it, quite frankly. 300 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:47,440 But at that stage, Tony was quite old and his health wasn't great. 301 00:15:49,639 --> 00:15:52,359 Tony Ryan died in 2007, 302 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,479 a major shareholder and respected advisor until the end. 303 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,679 He was one of the outstanding business 304 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,800 personalities of his generation. 305 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,079 He had seen Ryanair grow from a tiny single aircraft 306 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,159 taking off in Waterford to a Europe-wide network 307 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,760 carrying over 50 million passengers. 308 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,559 Tony Ryan founded two businesses, GPA and Ryanair. 309 00:16:22,839 --> 00:16:24,198 World leaders. 310 00:16:24,199 --> 00:16:27,319 One of the best entrepreneurs that Ireland ever produced. 311 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,878 Ireland should be the aviation centre of Europe 312 00:16:31,879 --> 00:16:34,399 and then progress that of the world. 313 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,639 His ambition shaped Irish aviation. 314 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,918 Of all the aeroplanes in the world, half of them are leased. 315 00:16:41,919 --> 00:16:46,318 And of those that are leased, about 10,000, 70% of them, 316 00:16:46,319 --> 00:16:48,159 the aviation finance was done through Ireland. 317 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,399 We now have over 50 aviation leasing companies. 318 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,680 Aercap, we have SMBC. 319 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,919 For a guy from Thurles, that's pretty good going. 320 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,638 The passing of Tony Ryan, a captain of industry, a philanthropist 321 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:06,638 and a gentleman, was the end of a rarefied era of aviation. 322 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,160 A new era brought new battles. 323 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,518 You're on record as saying emissions are a load of bollocks 324 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:25,278 talked up by sandal-wearing Greens. 325 00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:27,159 Which is actually technically true. 326 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,918 There's no evidence to suggest that the globe is warming. 327 00:17:29,919 --> 00:17:33,000 Clearly, climate has changed. It will always change. 328 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,159 Michael O'Leary has been on the record over the years 329 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,278 about being quite sceptical about the whole idea of climate change. 330 00:17:39,279 --> 00:17:41,479 And his argument, I think, to paraphrase, was 331 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,159 that the climate keeps changing and we've had ice ages 332 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,399 and we've had periods where the temperature's been a bit warmer. 333 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,599 Michael has, at times, resisted the reality of the climate crisis. 334 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,079 I try and avoid flying where I can. 335 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:02,959 Try and travel via the lowest impact method I can. 336 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,198 {\an8}Aviation is probably one of the fastest ways 337 00:18:07,199 --> 00:18:10,878 {\an8}you can burn fossil fuels and produce greenhouse gas emissions, 338 00:18:10,879 --> 00:18:13,559 {\an8}which are the things that are heating the planet's atmosphere. 339 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,558 An aircraft is basically a massive fuel tank. 340 00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:21,318 It's in the wings and it's in the fuselage or the body. 341 00:18:21,319 --> 00:18:25,359 Jet fuel is perfect because it's very energy-dense. 342 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:27,439 Jet fuel is also very cheap. 343 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,799 So there is a global agreement, basically, 344 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,799 to avoid a tax on jet fuel. 345 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,359 If you buy a bottle of water in an airport, 346 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:37,598 it costs more per litre than the jet fuel going into your plane. 347 00:18:37,599 --> 00:18:40,558 Cheap fuel has helped low-cost carriers like Ryanair 348 00:18:40,559 --> 00:18:42,238 and others to flourish. 349 00:18:42,239 --> 00:18:45,159 In July, we carried our one billionth passenger 350 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,878 in our 30 years of operation. 351 00:18:47,879 --> 00:18:52,159 There's only 20,000 commercial airliners in the world, 352 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,278 but there's more than a billion cars, so in comparison, 353 00:18:55,279 --> 00:18:56,999 it looks relatively small. 354 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,759 But actually, it's a very few number of people doing it. 355 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:01,918 The issue is endless growth. 356 00:19:01,919 --> 00:19:03,799 As more people take to the skies, 357 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,079 a crisis deepens that will collide with Ryanair's bottom line 358 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,680 sooner or later. 359 00:19:11,199 --> 00:19:15,278 But first, Ryanair had more immediate fires to fight. 360 00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:18,918 ARCHIVE: It was take-off today in the battle for the skies. 361 00:19:18,919 --> 00:19:21,598 By the noughties, EasyJet was on the rise 362 00:19:21,599 --> 00:19:25,318 and threatened to hit Ryanair where it hurt, its profits. 363 00:19:25,319 --> 00:19:28,598 Because this is an inaugural flight, I'd like to buy everybody a drink. 364 00:19:28,599 --> 00:19:32,000 EasyJet, you know, talk the talk, but they don't walk the walk. 365 00:19:37,999 --> 00:19:40,919 {\an8}Over the years, they fought with everybody they 366 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,119 {\an8}could fight with pilots, baggage handlers, 367 00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:44,920 {\an8}cabin crew, you name it. 368 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,239 I have a feeling Donald Trump 369 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:50,800 studied the Michael O'Leary story. 370 00:19:50,959 --> 00:19:53,159 I mean, Trump got elected by being 371 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:57,039 an arrogant little brat, saying things other people wouldn't say. 372 00:19:57,439 --> 00:20:00,959 Michael, you know, if he can't go through you, he'll go around you. 373 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,399 EasyJet began to edge into Ryanair's turf. 374 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,438 I believe there is a lot of scope for carriers like us to expand 375 00:20:08,439 --> 00:20:10,159 into the European continent. 376 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,839 I think they only opened the base because there was rumours 377 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,638 that Ryanair were going to show up and skip all of these. 378 00:20:14,639 --> 00:20:16,398 I thought, shit, we better open a base quick 379 00:20:16,399 --> 00:20:17,599 before Ryanair get here. 380 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:18,999 Competition was starting get hot. 381 00:20:19,439 --> 00:20:21,919 I think people were replicating the Ryanair product, 382 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:26,319 so they needed to find a way to compete with other airlines. 383 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,240 Ryanair shouldered its way into battles with their rival. 384 00:20:32,319 --> 00:20:35,159 But Michael's shtick started to bite him 385 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,480 on his (DING DONG TONE) tail end. 386 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,678 Fed up with meanness, people chose the easy route. 387 00:20:41,679 --> 00:20:44,239 {\an8}You make real money in the airline business 388 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,559 {\an8}from your last passenger. 389 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,599 The first 100 passengers, whatever, 390 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:48,800 are going to pay the costs. 391 00:20:48,959 --> 00:20:52,718 It's the incremental ones that actually give you the profit. 392 00:20:52,719 --> 00:20:55,239 If you're upsetting your passengers 393 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,279 so much that you're not getting the last passenger, 394 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:58,758 the second, and the third last passenger, 395 00:20:58,759 --> 00:21:00,719 you're actually reducing your profits. 396 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,799 Lots of the complaints that they've had over the years 397 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,398 have been justified. I mean, there's a lot of bad manners 398 00:21:05,399 --> 00:21:07,039 in the treatment of passengers. 399 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,199 We just came to the airport this morning and they said the flight 400 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,479 was cancelled, so yeah, very annoyed. 401 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,758 I think the great thing about Ryanair is we deliver the best 402 00:21:14,759 --> 00:21:16,599 customer service in the world airline business, 403 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,199 which is why we're the largest airline in the world. 404 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:19,638 Is the customer always right? 405 00:21:19,639 --> 00:21:21,638 No, the customer is nearly always wrong. 406 00:21:21,639 --> 00:21:22,999 (LAUGHS) 407 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,479 {\an8}It does feel still when you fly Ryanair that sometimes you as 408 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:27,758 the passenger are the enemy. 409 00:21:27,759 --> 00:21:32,759 {\an8}Ryanair's relationship with the consumer was very transactional. 410 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,358 I'm just providing you a cheap way 411 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,959 to get from point A to point B. 412 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,359 Often through a maze. 413 00:21:43,319 --> 00:21:46,199 {\an8}For anyone who has navigated the Ryanair website, 414 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,119 {\an8}you probably have come across some things 415 00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:51,079 {\an8}that would be qualified as deceptive or dark patterns. 416 00:21:51,399 --> 00:21:54,678 Practises that are misleading to users. 417 00:21:54,679 --> 00:21:56,280 It was a bit of an obstacle course. 418 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,479 You could have to answer 70 different questions. 419 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,318 If you wanted to decline adding insurance 420 00:22:02,319 --> 00:22:03,880 as a cost to your flight, 421 00:22:04,039 --> 00:22:07,638 to find that option, you had to go to the dropdown menu 422 00:22:07,639 --> 00:22:09,559 of the list of countries 423 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,479 and find 'do not insure me.' These things aren't by accident, 424 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:14,920 they're by design. 425 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,119 You could end up with travel insurance that you didn't want. 426 00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:19,599 Ryanair coming in the cheapest, 427 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:20,799 you've got to weigh it up, haven't you? 428 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,958 You know, take the risk or pay that bit more money, I suppose. 429 00:22:23,959 --> 00:22:27,880 {\an8}So the flip side of low fares seemed to be rubbish service. 430 00:22:33,319 --> 00:22:36,958 The Trump Jet, bringing the US billionaire 431 00:22:36,959 --> 00:22:39,520 on his first trip to Dunbeg Golf Resort. 432 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,439 There is still a road to be travelled, the road of a lasting 433 00:22:43,679 --> 00:22:45,679 and creative reconciliation. 434 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,318 By 2014, Ryanair faced a hard, bitter truth to swallow. 435 00:22:50,319 --> 00:22:53,120 It might need to start being nice. 436 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,839 I think there was a realisation within Ryanair that you couldn't 437 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,879 keep pushing customers and keep introducing new rules and keep 438 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:01,718 making the experience slightly less pleasant every time 439 00:23:01,719 --> 00:23:05,398 people flew, or eventually people would stop flying with Ryanair. 440 00:23:05,399 --> 00:23:08,998 I think the decision they made at the time was people don't like 441 00:23:08,999 --> 00:23:11,959 the brand as much, so therefore we have to be nicer. 442 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,759 {\an8}So here are the Johnsons. 443 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,200 Ryanair launched the Always Getting Better campaign 444 00:23:18,759 --> 00:23:22,120 as a response largely to the backlash against 445 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,959 some of their PR stunts. 446 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,719 ♪ Destination anywhere. 447 00:23:27,959 --> 00:23:29,679 It did not overpromise. 448 00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:33,758 It didn't say, "We will ever be the best." 449 00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:35,600 We were a little bit nicer. 450 00:23:35,759 --> 00:23:39,200 At the time, I seem to recall Michael O'Leary 451 00:23:39,679 --> 00:23:41,839 being quoted as saying, "Well, if I had known 452 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,159 being nice was good for revenues, 453 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,958 I would have done it sooner." 454 00:23:46,959 --> 00:23:49,200 So as you can see, always getting better. 455 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,479 In a funny way, that really tells us so much more about 456 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,078 Michael O'Leary and his brand 457 00:23:58,079 --> 00:23:59,840 than maybe the outrageous behaviour. 458 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,319 It speaks to his pragmatism. 459 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,998 I would personally come up to the boarding gate and kiss 460 00:24:04,999 --> 00:24:07,120 your bum as well as you depart. 461 00:24:09,439 --> 00:24:11,239 Instead of being aggressive towards passengers, 462 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,078 they're now sort of generally kind towards passengers. 463 00:24:14,079 --> 00:24:17,199 That may be Michael maturing as he gets, gets older. 464 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,399 I take personal responsibility and I sincerely apologise. 465 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,319 Remember the trumpet noise? 466 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,480 (TRUMPET SOUND AFFECT) 467 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,319 Oh yeah, when you landed on time? 468 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,718 They stopped that now. It worked. 469 00:24:28,719 --> 00:24:31,519 Bookings have gone up since Ryanair became a bit nicer. 470 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:32,718 It pays to be nice. 471 00:24:32,719 --> 00:24:36,639 {\an8}By 2017, Ryanair flew more people across Europe than anyone else. 472 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,719 Well, I became non-executive chairman of Aer Lingus in 2007. 473 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,120 Aer Lingus at the time was in bad shape. 474 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,840 They were losing hundreds of millions of euro. 475 00:24:53,719 --> 00:24:57,318 They were also very influenced by Ryanair and therefore wanted 476 00:24:57,319 --> 00:25:00,679 to try and mimic Ryanair, but having trade unions and 477 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,039 long-term work practises, that just wasn't possible. 478 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,318 REPORTER: Michael O'Leary's plan is to buy shares held 479 00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:10,520 by workers for 60,000 on average each. 480 00:25:10,679 --> 00:25:13,800 Aer Lingus had already fought one takeover bid from Ryanair. 481 00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:17,719 But smelling blood in the water, Michael tried again. 482 00:25:18,439 --> 00:25:21,199 He was always going to have issues on competition 483 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,159 with both Irish airlines from an island 484 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,039 being owned by one party. 485 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,799 Aer Lingus is too small and too weak to survive 486 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:29,958 as an independent. 487 00:25:29,959 --> 00:25:33,159 The whole idea, you argue a case about opening up 488 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,079 and deregulate, and then you want to take over and take a monopoly. 489 00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:38,439 He was wrong on that. 490 00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:41,880 REPORTER: It's all about the consumer, said Neelie Kroes. 491 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,879 She had to ban Ryanair's takeover of Aer Lingus 492 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,239 because the combined 493 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,958 airlines would have accounted for 80% of passengers carried 494 00:25:49,959 --> 00:25:52,039 into and out of Dublin Airport. 495 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,358 But he actually never bid enough where the board had to say, well, 496 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,120 gosh, this actually is a good thing for our shareholders. 497 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,438 REPORTER: So what happens to the 25% 498 00:26:02,439 --> 00:26:04,439 of Aer Lingus that Ryanair owns? 499 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,599 The Commission says Ryanair can keep it because it's 500 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:08,920 not a controlling stake. 501 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,840 We in Ryanair realise that it's part of our national duty 502 00:26:13,399 --> 00:26:18,718 to try to preserve this relic of this prehistoric dinosaur 503 00:26:18,719 --> 00:26:20,999 for the sake of the Irish nation. 504 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,600 And we could make a few quid doing it. 505 00:26:24,759 --> 00:26:27,479 So I think he was possibly just playing with us, 506 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,919 that he could afford to splurge a little bit 507 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,358 of the shareholders' funds 508 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,759 to have this bit of a game of cat and mouse with Aer Lingus. 509 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,200 Do you fly Ryanair? 510 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,319 I have. 511 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,199 I would not a lot, being a nationalist. 512 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,759 I would still like my national airline. 513 00:26:45,399 --> 00:26:47,678 But I have flown Ryanair, yeah. 514 00:26:47,679 --> 00:26:49,638 I like to see both of them succeed. 515 00:26:49,639 --> 00:26:52,759 Ah, Bertie, but sometimes everyone just can't get along. 516 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,520 Ryanair's own staff have battled with their CEO for years. 517 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,520 ♪ Times are getting hard, boy. 518 00:27:01,719 --> 00:27:03,639 ♪ Money's getting scarce. 519 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,559 Dublin Airport has for many years been a kind of trade 520 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,759 union la-la land. 521 00:27:09,319 --> 00:27:12,319 Ryanair has always been staunchly anti-union. 522 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,678 If you had to negotiate every change with a union or 523 00:27:16,679 --> 00:27:19,358 with workers' representatives, that would slow things down. 524 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,199 The raison d'être of trade unions is to increase pay, 525 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,638 terms and conditions, etc. 526 00:27:24,639 --> 00:27:27,758 Ryanair said, we want to move fast, we want to reduce costs, 527 00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:29,240 we want to reduce labour costs. 528 00:27:29,719 --> 00:27:33,279 Pilots were once aviation superstars, enjoying a protected 529 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,319 status with prestige and clout. 530 00:27:35,639 --> 00:27:38,519 Michael O'Leary is on record at various points of, you know, 531 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,199 being quite disparaging about pilots. 532 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,039 Pilots are glorified taxi drivers. 533 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,038 It's a very complicated taxi, and they are very skilled to be 534 00:27:46,039 --> 00:27:47,718 able to do it, but at the end of the day. 535 00:27:47,719 --> 00:27:51,239 When Michael was disparaging about the pilot job 536 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,399 and saying, you know, that it was a bus driver, 537 00:27:53,639 --> 00:27:56,839 the implications of getting it wrong are a bit more serious. 538 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,679 As Ryanair want to do, if you want to bring down prices, 539 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:01,718 then you got to cut costs. 540 00:28:01,719 --> 00:28:05,679 And in aviation, of course, a major cost is labour. 541 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,358 So bringing down pay and terms and conditions of pilots 542 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:10,480 and other airline staff. 543 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,799 We weren't recognised formally as a union because 544 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,719 the company was non-union. CHANT: Ryanair must change! 545 00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:19,840 Ryanair must change! 546 00:28:20,959 --> 00:28:23,839 Staff and contractors were subject to the whims of a 547 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,079 penny-pinching Michael. 548 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,919 The pilots just wanted a fair deal, 549 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,479 a living salary that was somewhere 550 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,358 in the ballpark of what your peers were being paid 551 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,638 in other places. Ryanair argued 552 00:28:35,639 --> 00:28:37,758 it engaged in collective bargaining, so didn't 553 00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:40,439 need to talk to trade unions. And the courts agreed. 554 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,958 So that was seen as a big victory for Ryanair 555 00:28:43,959 --> 00:28:47,318 because basically they didn't have to deal with 556 00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:49,958 the trade unions. And the Supreme Court had basically said, 557 00:28:49,959 --> 00:28:52,799 well, look, Ryanair is arguing we have a system of negotiation, 558 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,999 and the Supreme Court said maybe they do. 559 00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:59,199 Michael O'Leary, a tough negotiator, 560 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,200 as tough as they come. 561 00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:05,759 Then in 2017, something extraordinary happened. 562 00:29:06,959 --> 00:29:10,639 I got a call from RTE, can you do this 6:1 news? 563 00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:14,319 Ryanair has just announced it's going to recognise trade unions. 564 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,840 (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYS) 565 00:29:18,999 --> 00:29:20,120 Went into the studio. 566 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,239 What was your reaction when you heard this surprise announcement? 567 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,599 When I realised it wasn't in fact April 1st, I think like everybody 568 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:27,919 else, I was absolutely stunned. 569 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,160 Going to recognise unions? 570 00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:32,998 A surprise. Shows the company is progressive. 571 00:29:32,999 --> 00:29:34,840 They've put them up against the wall. 572 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,520 However, the miracle was not from Michael's heart but his head. 573 00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:42,599 A chronic pilot shortage had forced Ryanair to cancel flights. 574 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,159 REPORTER: Ryanair says it has already contacted 575 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,999 all the customers affected either by text or by email. 576 00:29:49,399 --> 00:29:51,240 So they're facing mass cancellations. 577 00:29:51,399 --> 00:29:53,599 I think at one point Michael O'Leary said he'd cut his 578 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,719 arms off before he'd negotiate with trade unions. 579 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,560 Overnight. An armless Michael changed his mind. 580 00:29:59,719 --> 00:30:02,599 We have very good pay, very good conditions, 581 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,678 but we are in a learning process. 582 00:30:04,679 --> 00:30:06,439 We're learning how to deal with the unions. 583 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,358 The way Ryanair operated before unions 584 00:30:09,359 --> 00:30:11,438 and the way Ryanair operates now, 585 00:30:11,439 --> 00:30:12,719 it doesn't seem to be that different. 586 00:30:12,959 --> 00:30:15,159 You wonder what all the kerfuffle was about, 587 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,719 why they didn't do it earlier. 588 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,199 Ryanair always was the scrappy upstart fighting against 589 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,119 domestically Aer Lingus, for example, 590 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,279 fighting against the traditional flag carriers, trying 591 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,359 to establish itself. 592 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,439 But now it is the dominant player in the commercial aviation 593 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:34,560 industry in Europe. 594 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,958 Ryanair found another tool in its tool belt to fight its 595 00:30:38,959 --> 00:30:40,079 cost-cutting corner. 596 00:30:40,959 --> 00:30:44,479 Big businesses tend to use the courts and the law 597 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,599 as a weapon. 598 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,159 For those of you interested, it's been a very good 599 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,318 morning today for Ryanair. 600 00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:51,958 Yeah, it's fair to say Ryanair is fairly litigious, 601 00:30:51,959 --> 00:30:53,439 he says, shifting in his seat. 602 00:30:54,639 --> 00:30:57,319 The company has litigated against over-regulation, 603 00:30:58,399 --> 00:31:01,718 against certain aspects of EU regulation which it has seen as 604 00:31:01,719 --> 00:31:03,799 kind of slowing down growth, slowing down progress. 605 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,919 We can now show Lufthansa's high fares 606 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,398 Ryanair's low fares in an ad and give German people a choice. 607 00:31:09,399 --> 00:31:13,638 But of course, it's fundamentally what enabled Ryanair's success is 608 00:31:13,639 --> 00:31:16,120 the opening up of the European aviation market, 609 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,840 you know, which is a function of the EU, the open skies and so on. 610 00:31:21,639 --> 00:31:25,159 Ryanair will try save costs any way it can. 611 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,479 That means they've taken to court from time to time. 612 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,438 They'll do it, and if they lose, they'll pay, and if they win, 613 00:31:30,439 --> 00:31:31,639 they'll be happy as Larry. 614 00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:34,280 They'll push everything as far as they can. 615 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,279 Every now and then, the courts have managed to put 616 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:38,998 some schmacht on Ryanair. 617 00:31:38,999 --> 00:31:41,998 MAN: They had an advert that was Europe's greenest airline. 618 00:31:41,999 --> 00:31:45,998 Yes, it's true on an individual flight basis, but then when you 619 00:31:45,999 --> 00:31:48,358 take into account their total emissions, they're actually 620 00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:49,718 the biggest polluter. 621 00:31:49,719 --> 00:31:52,559 That was challenged in court, I believe, and they 622 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:53,958 had to remove that. 623 00:31:53,959 --> 00:31:57,719 And that hidden "Do not insure me" option, that went to court too. 624 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,120 And Ryanair ended up being fined 850,000 euro for that practise. 625 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,719 So they certainly push to the limits what they can do. 626 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,958 As the natural world is pushed to its limits, aviation has begun 627 00:32:12,959 --> 00:32:14,999 to reckon with its role in the disaster. 628 00:32:15,959 --> 00:32:18,638 REPORTER: Dramatic climate changes are taking place 629 00:32:18,639 --> 00:32:20,398 worldwide, and a little later 630 00:32:20,399 --> 00:32:23,319 than the rest, Ireland is beginning to feel the effects. 631 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,279 It's not bullshit pie-in-the-sky stuff. 632 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,799 These aircraft burn 18% less fuel, carry 4% more passengers. 633 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:35,519 You get a 20% reduction in fuel consumption, CO2 emissions, and a 634 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,079 40% reduction in noise emissions. 635 00:32:37,719 --> 00:32:40,758 Engines have gotten more efficient, so that is helping, 636 00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:42,359 but it's not solving the problem. 637 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,319 We're still going to be causing a lot of emissions. 638 00:32:46,439 --> 00:32:49,319 Sustainable aviation fuels, like biofuels, 639 00:32:49,639 --> 00:32:50,920 are not a simple solution. 640 00:32:51,719 --> 00:32:54,678 Michael O'Leary has said himself that there is not enough used 641 00:32:54,679 --> 00:32:58,359 cooking oil in the world to power one day of green aviation. 642 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,480 But we just don't eat that many chips. 643 00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:05,718 Hydrogen is very expensive and requires a complete 644 00:33:05,719 --> 00:33:06,920 redesign of aircraft. 645 00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:10,200 It takes 10, 15 years to design and develop an aircraft. 646 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,319 It takes another 15 years to produce that aircraft. 647 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,160 Decisions we make today influence 2050 already. 648 00:33:16,959 --> 00:33:19,999 Transporting over 200 million people a year, 649 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,480 Ryanair's total carbon emissions tells the real cost of low cost. 650 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,159 If you look at the top 10 emitters in Europe, 651 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,600 they're all coal power stations, and Ryanair is in there as well. 652 00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:33,638 And so it's kind of, it's been described as 653 00:33:33,639 --> 00:33:34,800 the kind of the new coal. 654 00:33:34,959 --> 00:33:37,799 Unless we phase out coal, the airline industry will be 655 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:38,959 one of the biggest emitters. 656 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,039 But 2020 was not the time to tackle this particular crisis. 657 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,799 We've taken extraordinary measures here tonight because 658 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,358 these are frankly extraordinary times. 659 00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:50,679 I'm alone here right now, no audience. 660 00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:53,160 Strange, eerie feeling, I won't lie to you. 661 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,999 Something else was happening that kept us all busy. 662 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,560 What was it? Oh yeah. 663 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,999 It was going to be a very, very good year in 2020. 664 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,160 They were riding high, they were very close to Lufthansa, 665 00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:09,800 about 150 million passengers a year. 666 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,678 REPORTER: Ryanair said its passenger numbers for April, May, 667 00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:16,560 and June will be 99.5% behind forecast. 668 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,919 There were clear skies over Dublin Airport today, 669 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,639 which should have been buzzing ahead of the holiday weekend, 670 00:34:22,759 --> 00:34:25,998 but instead aircraft were grounded, the terminal empty. 671 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,158 Once again, global aviation was brought to a grinding halt 672 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,560 by an unprecedented catastrophe. 673 00:34:33,438 --> 00:34:36,560 MICHAEL: My view is it'll be soft for the next couple of weeks, 674 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,198 And if it settles down over Easter, 675 00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:41,159 then people will begin to rapidly focus on summer travel. 676 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,078 COVID, nobody'd ever seen anything like it. 677 00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:53,079 People were talking about airline failures. 678 00:34:53,319 --> 00:34:56,198 It lasted longer than anyone in aviation thought. 679 00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:59,038 We announced this morning we're going to cut 50% of our staff. 680 00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:01,519 That's, we think, the minimum we need just 681 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:02,759 to survive the next 12 months. 682 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,480 He was very, very determined that this was not 683 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,479 going to leave Ryanair damaged in any way, 684 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,039 the way it left so many 685 00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:13,600 other airlines across Europe damaged. 686 00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:16,800 Damaged and taking handouts. 687 00:35:17,359 --> 00:35:20,678 This is Branson's second go at trying to fleece the British 688 00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:21,999 taxpayer for state aid. 689 00:35:22,319 --> 00:35:24,358 Frankly, if he's worried about Virgin, 690 00:35:24,359 --> 00:35:25,759 he should write the cheque himself. 691 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,398 I think the thing that has always marked Ryanair out from its peers 692 00:35:30,399 --> 00:35:34,280 and its competitors is Michael's leadership, clarity of thinking, 693 00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:38,920 determination, and frankly, being able to make the right call 694 00:35:39,319 --> 00:35:42,280 on the significant majority of occasions. 695 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,480 Also doing the counterintuitive thing. 696 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,758 While other airlines were struggling, Ryanair 697 00:35:48,759 --> 00:35:52,038 invested in 75 new 737s. 698 00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:53,879 What Ryanair did that was different 699 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,318 was they kept the aircraft 700 00:35:55,319 --> 00:35:57,999 certified, and they kept the pilots licenced. 701 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,958 He knew that his opposition, other airlines, would be slower 702 00:36:02,959 --> 00:36:04,438 to get out of the blocks. 703 00:36:04,439 --> 00:36:05,999 It was hugely expensive. 704 00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,079 Over a billion euro was lost. 705 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,958 It got back into gear because basically it never 706 00:36:11,959 --> 00:36:14,480 went out of gear. They flew all their planes. 707 00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:17,599 Because of clearer airspace, they were able to fly them even 708 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,439 more punctually than they had before. 709 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,719 And literally, that changed the game. 710 00:36:22,399 --> 00:36:25,279 Once again, when aviation was knee-deep in sludge, 711 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,200 Ryanair's pragmatism fixed its horizon on calm skies ahead. 712 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,279 The result was phenomenal. 713 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,559 Passenger numbers went up to 180 million and eventually 200 714 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,480 million in the post-COVID period. 715 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,958 Ryanair are flying at something like 130% of the 716 00:36:39,959 --> 00:36:41,200 pre-pandemic figure. 717 00:36:43,999 --> 00:36:46,119 In July 2021, 718 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,800 I took on the role as head of social media at Ryanair. 719 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,599 And I walk into the room, and the first thing he said to me 720 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,359 was, "Who the fuck are you?" 721 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,160 And I went, "Well, I'm the person that runs social media." 722 00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:04,840 And he goes, "You're too old to be working in social media." 723 00:37:06,759 --> 00:37:12,559 Ryanair arguably were geniuses at newsjacking. 724 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,959 The brand attached itself to the story of the day. 725 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,240 Good evening. 726 00:37:19,399 --> 00:37:22,479 The Conservative Party in the UK, who are being a bit reckless 727 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,998 with their own rules around COVID, 728 00:37:23,999 --> 00:37:26,439 and they were having plenty of parties in Downing Street. 729 00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:31,078 Now is the time for us all to summon the, the discipline 730 00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:32,359 that will carry us through. 731 00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:37,159 They issued this scale, this 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 of the COVID 732 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,920 guidelines for being in the UK. 733 00:37:39,319 --> 00:37:42,519 Our team came back with a really great remodel to scale side 734 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,279 by side, which was very bold and very brash and really bad 735 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,039 language and was really high risk. 736 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:50,438 A couple of days later, the Financial Times wrote 737 00:37:50,439 --> 00:37:53,600 an article, "Brands need to be more Ryanair." 738 00:37:54,319 --> 00:37:56,879 Michael O'Leary put handwritten notes on them 739 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,199 and put on our desks, "Keep up the good work, 740 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,799 signed by Michael." 741 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,520 That was like the papal smoke coming up within the office. 742 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:08,079 Ryanair is a brand made for social media. 743 00:38:08,359 --> 00:38:12,039 Ryanair is competing against not just every airline, 744 00:38:12,359 --> 00:38:15,199 but every brand, influencers, 745 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,399 even our mum's pictures on Facebook. 746 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,958 It was the millennials, it was the privileged generation 747 00:38:19,959 --> 00:38:24,679 just really hated Ryanair because their expectations were so high 748 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,439 that they were expecting hot towels, USB chargers, free Wi-Fi, 749 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,479 all for the price of 10 flights. 750 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,719 It just didn't make sense. 751 00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:36,880 The job for Ryanair to do was to change perceptions. 752 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,240 Knowing that we had this DNA from Michael, from being, 753 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,240 like, really irreverent on things in the world and self-deprecating 754 00:38:43,359 --> 00:38:45,358 about the product, being real about what the product 755 00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:47,919 {\an8}was, we got this notoriety of being this, 756 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,239 {\an8}for want of a better word, a bastard brand on the internet. 757 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:52,638 We were grabbing their attention and entertaining them. 758 00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:54,279 There are very few brands, I think, 759 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,078 where the chief executive is so 760 00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:58,638 deeply intertwined with the company's identity. 761 00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:00,600 Failure was applauded within the business. 762 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,358 Because it means that you're taking 763 00:39:02,359 --> 00:39:03,679 risks and you're being brave. 764 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,919 Despite his success at Ryanair, 765 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,719 Michael bowed out after just over 2 years. 766 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,880 And exited in his style to a flurry of headlines. 767 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:25,038 Ryanair became so big and such a success that 768 00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:27,199 it was a polarising brand, 769 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,399 not just by marketing but by business terms. 770 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,358 It was ruthless and curious and relentless and pushed 771 00:39:33,359 --> 00:39:34,679 the boundaries of everything. 772 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,200 ♪ DRAMATIC MUSIC ♪ 773 00:39:54,359 --> 00:39:56,359 BEHIND CAMERA: Can you remember the first time you flew? 774 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:57,840 Oh... 775 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,560 I do remember my first time flying. 776 00:40:00,959 --> 00:40:04,078 It was probably on a Viscount to Paris, my first flight. Yes. 777 00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:05,439 Rattling along. 778 00:40:06,439 --> 00:40:10,200 A single engine contraption. Which was a death trap, probably. 779 00:40:10,319 --> 00:40:12,998 I first flew when I was 12. 780 00:40:12,999 --> 00:40:14,639 And it was a very big treat. 781 00:40:14,759 --> 00:40:16,920 And I do remember almost every second of it. 782 00:40:17,399 --> 00:40:18,999 The first view above the clouds. 783 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:20,800 It's magical. 784 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,920 I was very nervous when it came to the take off. 785 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,160 Absolutely terrified. It was white knuckles. 786 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,319 It was really exciting getting an aeroplane. 787 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,638 I didn't even know anybody, I don't think, who had been on an aeroplane, 788 00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:32,678 other than my dad. 789 00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:34,800 It was a huge, huge, huge thing for me. 790 00:40:34,999 --> 00:40:37,520 On a big plane going across the Atlantic. 791 00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:39,639 It was magic. 792 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,359 ♪ SONG: Jo Blankenburg - "Sentience (feat. Clara Sorace)" ♪ 793 00:40:48,039 --> 00:40:49,639 I think what I love about flying is... 794 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:51,199 just... 795 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,200 ...the freedom. 796 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,959 We get a unique and privileged view of the Earth. 797 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,240 I love flying. 798 00:41:02,399 --> 00:41:04,480 Everyone that I know loves flying. 799 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,959 We want to preserve the ability to fly because it is so magical. 800 00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:20,399 NARRATOR: Our freedom to fly comes with a high price. 801 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,199 As temperatures rise, 802 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,159 aviation faces more tension than ever before. 803 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,120 ♪ SONG: Anita O'Day - "Let's Face the Music and Dance" ♪ 804 00:41:31,999 --> 00:41:35,359 Climate collapse may be Michael's greatest challenge yet. 805 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,199 O'LEARY: We do have to make travel greener, 806 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,999 so we're doing everything we can. 807 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:45,239 Feeling the heat, 808 00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:47,678 in 2021 Ryanair launched its partnership 809 00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:49,358 with Trinity College Dublin 810 00:41:49,359 --> 00:41:52,800 with the Ryanair Sustainable Aviation Research Centre. 811 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,279 {\an8}You see behind me here the game changer 737 MAX 812 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,800 {\an8}that Ryanair is a customer of. 813 00:41:59,439 --> 00:42:02,800 {\an8}16 percent lower fuel burn percent with 4 percent more passengers. 814 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,599 ♪ Let's face the music and dance. 815 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:08,600 Delicious cake. 816 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,840 I wonder how sincere Michael O'Leary's 817 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,279 apparent recent conversion to environmental issues is. 818 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,318 ♪ SONG: Frank Sinatra - "Bein' Green" ♪ 819 00:42:17,319 --> 00:42:20,199 Their 4 million investment is mere coins for a company 820 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,759 worth over 30 billion. 821 00:42:22,959 --> 00:42:25,120 We need to go a lot further, a lot faster. 822 00:42:25,359 --> 00:42:28,638 I don't think Michael O'Leary's... 823 00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:32,919 ♪ It's not that easy bein' green 824 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,919 ...dedication, shall we say. 825 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,319 Our belief in ESG is entirely sincere. 826 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,880 It's a bit of a box-ticking exercise. 827 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,800 It's something that he knows many of his investors actually do. 828 00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:47,279 But let's face it, 829 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,600 Michael O'Leary's ambition is to get more and more people to fly. 830 00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:54,119 Ryanair flies 630 planes 831 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,359 and is aiming to fly 300 million passengers by 2034. 832 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,078 People want to continue to travel, 833 00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,239 and there's no way of putting that genie back in the bottle, 834 00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:03,240 thankfully. 835 00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:05,119 Despite more efficient planes, 836 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,800 their ever-expanding empire is only increasing its emissions. 837 00:43:09,759 --> 00:43:11,920 Which keeps Ryanair in the hot seat. 838 00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:13,958 One thing is for sure, 839 00:43:13,959 --> 00:43:18,239 is that there will continue to be enhanced scrutiny 840 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:22,319 around any brand's perceived green-washing. 841 00:43:22,959 --> 00:43:26,998 For Michael, a call to action might need more stick than carrot. 842 00:43:26,999 --> 00:43:31,398 The bigger challenge facing Ryanair when it comes to sustainability 843 00:43:31,399 --> 00:43:34,758 is less the consumer and more regulators 844 00:43:34,759 --> 00:43:38,759 and what the regulatory framework might impose on it. 845 00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:44,840 So if Ryanair were to launch an always getting greener campaign, 846 00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:49,599 for example, they could certainly expect scrutiny 847 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,919 and the need for greater transparency. 848 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,758 The regulation is tightening 849 00:43:54,759 --> 00:43:57,078 and tightening all of the time in relation to climate 850 00:43:57,079 --> 00:43:58,200 and climate change. 851 00:43:58,759 --> 00:44:02,999 Ryanair's old foe, regulations, looms towards them. 852 00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:06,520 Regulators are thinking about the common good. 853 00:44:06,999 --> 00:44:09,879 Businesses are thinking about their shareholders. 854 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,758 Michael O'Leary and Ryanair will be sure that Ryanair 855 00:44:12,759 --> 00:44:16,439 will be contributing to the increase in numbers within Europe, 856 00:44:16,759 --> 00:44:17,800 climate change or not. 857 00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:20,199 Unless, and it's a big if, 858 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,678 the European Commission and member governments of the European Union 859 00:44:23,679 --> 00:44:26,998 decide that they're going to take measures to limit 860 00:44:26,999 --> 00:44:29,999 air travel to try and combat climate change. 861 00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:32,239 It's difficult for us, particularly in Ireland, 862 00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:33,398 because we're an island nation. 863 00:44:33,399 --> 00:44:36,560 You remove aviation or reduce and restrict that more and more, 864 00:44:36,959 --> 00:44:39,840 we're probably going to regress as an economy off the back of it. 865 00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:47,319 Ireland would be a very different place without Ryanair. 866 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,480 Cheap flights have changed how we live. 867 00:44:49,959 --> 00:44:53,159 Because we're this small damp rock on the outskirts of Europe 868 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:54,998 and it's always raining and it's always grey, 869 00:44:54,999 --> 00:44:57,078 Irish people are just dying to get off the rock. 870 00:44:57,079 --> 00:44:59,559 And Michael O'Leary came along and offered a way that 871 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,399 everybody could afford to do it. 872 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,959 When once we fled, we can now return. 873 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,199 So my original flight was actually booked for tomorrow, 874 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,919 but I purposely changed the time of the flight 875 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,638 so I could come home to vote. 876 00:45:11,639 --> 00:45:14,800 This is a revolution that James Connolly would have dreamed about. 877 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,678 Aviation was brought to ordinary people, regardless of their income, 878 00:45:18,679 --> 00:45:21,039 regardless of their age, regardless of their status. 879 00:45:21,439 --> 00:45:24,438 Ireland now is unrecognisable compared 880 00:45:24,439 --> 00:45:26,078 to where it was 40 years ago. 881 00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:29,840 I don't think 40 years ago we had the self-belief that we have now, 882 00:45:29,999 --> 00:45:33,120 or the sense that we could internationalise our business. 883 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,239 It's phenomenal, Ryanair. 884 00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:36,399 It could have been anywhere. 885 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,039 I think the fact that we got it, you know, the headquarters is here, 886 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,758 their taxes are here, I mean, that's big. 887 00:45:42,759 --> 00:45:44,600 That's big for Ireland. 888 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:47,480 Ryanair has brought us closer to Europe. 889 00:45:47,959 --> 00:45:50,439 The European Union made Ryanair. 890 00:45:50,759 --> 00:45:54,280 Ryanair's influence in Europe is totally profound. 891 00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:57,880 They are truly a pan-European operator. 892 00:45:58,439 --> 00:46:01,398 O'LEARY: Ryanair has done more for European integration, I think, 893 00:46:01,399 --> 00:46:03,919 than any other company in the history of the European Union. 894 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,119 We have made it possible for people to travel all over Europe 895 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,200 all year round at fares that nobody thought were imaginable. 896 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,679 Most of Ryanair's success is down to Michael's leadership. 897 00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:17,880 He turned it from an airline that was loss-making 898 00:46:18,359 --> 00:46:20,358 and would have probably gone under 899 00:46:20,359 --> 00:46:22,799 to an airline that was able to 900 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,519 challenge all of the legacy carriers 901 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,839 and essentially democratise privatise air travel, 902 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,679 big financial deals with Boeing. 903 00:46:31,319 --> 00:46:33,559 These are all things that hit the Richter scale. 904 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,038 When our Taoiseach, Michal Martin, 905 00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:37,559 went to the White House and said, 906 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,999 sitting across from Trump people may not realise Ryanair, 907 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,479 one of our biggest airlines, for example... 908 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,318 TRUMP: I'll trade. (CHUCKLES) I'll trade. 909 00:46:45,319 --> 00:46:48,758 ...they buy more, the two of them together buy more 910 00:46:48,759 --> 00:46:51,160 Boeing aeroplanes than anybody else. 911 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,879 How many aeroplanes we buy from you? 912 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:54,999 Single biggest customer. 913 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,160 In the world for a little country of 5.5, 6 million people. 914 00:46:59,319 --> 00:47:03,240 It is the most extraordinary commercial story in any country. 915 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,880 Okay, Ivan, he's not the Messiah. 916 00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:07,880 He's a very clever businessman. 917 00:47:08,039 --> 00:47:12,038 He revolutionised all that by really having no respect 918 00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:13,879 for anything other than the bottom line. 919 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,839 For a nation that loves to champion 920 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,958 successes that punch above our weight, 921 00:47:17,959 --> 00:47:20,279 Ryanair rarely gets a boast. 922 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,560 Oh, I flew with Ryanair. 923 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,119 There's this automatic instant reaction for us to tut 924 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,119 and roll our eyes like, "Fuckin' Ryanair." 925 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,519 On paper, you know, he's anti-establishment, 926 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,799 funny, he's direct, he doesn't like politicians. 927 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,358 He should be sort of the Everyman, 928 00:47:35,359 --> 00:47:37,160 and we should love him more than we do. 929 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,519 The national sport in Ireland is begrudgery. 930 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,958 Michael O'Leary and Ryanair 931 00:47:42,959 --> 00:47:46,479 represents the Ireland that hustles, 932 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,200 not the Ireland that hosts. 933 00:47:49,359 --> 00:47:51,600 Can I say a cute whore? Yeah. 934 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,438 It is funny that we don't cherish them more 935 00:47:55,439 --> 00:47:58,599 because as a nation we do tend to love a cute whore. 936 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,520 This cute whore has made Ryanair what it is today. 937 00:48:01,759 --> 00:48:03,239 O'LEARY: I'm proud of the fact that it's Irish, 938 00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:04,438 it's managed in Ireland, 939 00:48:04,439 --> 00:48:05,600 it's run in Ireland. 940 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,359 I'm only guessing this, Michael is scared shitless of retirement. 941 00:48:09,759 --> 00:48:12,638 His energy and his experience and his contacts 942 00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:14,520 could be put to the benefit of Ireland. 943 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,358 Having his mind focused on how do we solve 944 00:48:18,359 --> 00:48:20,638 one of the biggest crises in our generation 945 00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:23,639 would be very exciting in terms of what's possible in aviation. 946 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,279 I think that would be a great legacy for him to look back on. 947 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,358 Hmm, but that almost sounds like do-gooding. 948 00:48:28,359 --> 00:48:29,559 What about the bottom line? 949 00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:30,840 Think of the shareholders! 950 00:48:31,319 --> 00:48:34,239 I think that the next generation of Michael O'Learys 951 00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:35,479 will come out of innovation. 952 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,078 Innovation and technology and research have 953 00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:43,719 really become the passports to people getting, 954 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,160 you know, filthy rich. 955 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:46,679 Ahh, thank goodness. 956 00:48:46,999 --> 00:48:49,119 Ryanair has battled past crises 957 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,958 and competition to earn its place at the top. 958 00:48:51,959 --> 00:48:53,919 EasyJet talk the talk, 959 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,160 but they don't walk the walk. 960 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,120 But in aviation, the only certainty is uncertainty. 961 00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:07,959 Will low-cost continue to dominate how we travel? 962 00:49:10,439 --> 00:49:13,159 With each day bringing new and strange battles... 963 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:14,758 If he wants to invest in Ryanair, 964 00:49:14,759 --> 00:49:17,239 we would think it's certainly a significantly better investment 965 00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:19,399 than the financial returns he's earning on X. 966 00:49:19,639 --> 00:49:22,038 ...and climate and geopolitics collapsing, 967 00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:26,279 perhaps no airline is more fighting fit for the punches to come. 968 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,559 None of us know, 969 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,439 but I think it is time for Europe to stand up to the US. 970 00:49:30,759 --> 00:49:34,239 And if Trump wants to have a row with Europe, well, 971 00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:35,399 let's have a row right back. 972 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,800 ♪ SONG: Cream - "I Feel Free" ♪ 973 00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,880 I am free. 974 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,480 Subtitling RTÉ 2026. 82509

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