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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,626 --> 00:00:04,337 My husband and I bought an old house 2 00:00:04,421 --> 00:00:06,423 and turned it into a B&B. 3 00:00:06,506 --> 00:00:08,466 It was a dream come true. 4 00:00:08,550 --> 00:00:10,385 Looking at the price of the cottage, 5 00:00:10,510 --> 00:00:12,012 it was strangely affordable. 6 00:00:12,137 --> 00:00:14,014 It was probably a red flag. 7 00:00:14,139 --> 00:00:17,642 Behind the stone was a very ominous... 8 00:00:17,726 --> 00:00:18,852 figure. 9 00:00:18,935 --> 00:00:21,187 Felt like someone was staring over my shoulder. 10 00:00:22,522 --> 00:00:23,690 What am I bringing home with me? 11 00:00:24,899 --> 00:00:26,693 The question is, 12 00:00:26,818 --> 00:00:28,611 who is doing the manipulating? 13 00:00:28,695 --> 00:00:29,821 We need to look a little deeper 14 00:00:29,904 --> 00:00:31,865 for our explanation as to what's going on. 15 00:00:35,160 --> 00:00:37,370 What the hell is going on? 16 00:00:37,495 --> 00:00:40,707 We are in one of the oldest towns in America, 17 00:00:40,790 --> 00:00:43,376 there is the potential for paranormal occurrences. 18 00:00:45,712 --> 00:00:49,466 She did say that if we wanted to see her, 19 00:00:49,549 --> 00:00:52,260 this lady would manifest herself to us. 20 00:00:52,385 --> 00:00:53,928 This is the area where I saw her. 21 00:00:55,972 --> 00:00:58,391 Things started to ramp up. 22 00:01:00,435 --> 00:01:01,811 That really scared the [bleep] out of me. 23 00:01:03,271 --> 00:01:06,733 Could it be a vengeful spirit looking to seek out 24 00:01:06,858 --> 00:01:09,027 that punishment on us? Absolutely. 25 00:01:09,110 --> 00:01:10,570 There are items in the world that might have 26 00:01:10,695 --> 00:01:12,989 multiple spirits attached to it. 27 00:01:13,073 --> 00:01:15,158 I'm shivering right now. I don't know... 28 00:01:16,409 --> 00:01:17,619 Yeah. 29 00:01:57,450 --> 00:01:59,953 Mystic was founded in 1654, 30 00:02:04,707 --> 00:02:06,960 so it's one of the oldest towns in America. 31 00:02:13,133 --> 00:02:16,052 I immediately loved old Mystic especially. 32 00:02:16,136 --> 00:02:19,639 The setting, the 18th-century kind of feel, 33 00:02:19,722 --> 00:02:22,183 the old buildings, historic homes, 34 00:02:22,308 --> 00:02:24,227 just the quietness of the neighborhood. 35 00:02:26,271 --> 00:02:27,981 The history is incredible. 36 00:02:33,069 --> 00:02:36,447 In 2008, my husband and I bought an old house 37 00:02:36,531 --> 00:02:38,199 and turned it into a B&B. 38 00:02:39,993 --> 00:02:42,162 It was something we always wanted to do. 39 00:02:47,834 --> 00:02:50,378 But the dream turned into a nightmare. 40 00:03:00,805 --> 00:03:04,726 What drew me to this house was just the colonial charm 41 00:03:04,851 --> 00:03:07,604 of this home. Built in 1784, 42 00:03:07,687 --> 00:03:11,316 the house has all the original workmanship 43 00:03:11,399 --> 00:03:13,568 that came along with it. 44 00:03:13,693 --> 00:03:14,903 It was a dream. 45 00:03:20,325 --> 00:03:21,826 I was interested in history 46 00:03:22,952 --> 00:03:24,370 before that. 47 00:03:24,495 --> 00:03:27,874 But when I got here, things kind of clicked. 48 00:03:29,167 --> 00:03:31,794 I got involved in different historical groups, 49 00:03:34,589 --> 00:03:37,300 I had gotten into reenacting. 50 00:03:37,383 --> 00:03:39,844 I belonged to a Revolutionary War group. 51 00:03:42,222 --> 00:03:44,557 I started doing some guided tours 52 00:03:44,682 --> 00:03:46,267 about haunted Mystic. 53 00:03:48,311 --> 00:03:52,398 There were times that he would dress up in the colonial gear 54 00:03:52,482 --> 00:03:54,067 and serve breakfast to the guests. 55 00:03:55,902 --> 00:03:59,197 The case of Robert Lecce is very interesting. 56 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,408 It begins in the small town of Mystic, which is steeped 57 00:04:02,492 --> 00:04:04,160 in deep history. 58 00:04:04,244 --> 00:04:07,538 The case takes many different turns, 59 00:04:07,622 --> 00:04:09,415 turns that I didn't see coming. 60 00:04:11,501 --> 00:04:14,671 It did come with a reputation of being haunted. 61 00:04:14,754 --> 00:04:17,590 Um, I remember at the closing, 62 00:04:17,674 --> 00:04:21,594 I, uh, I said to the owners, jokingly, I said, 63 00:04:21,719 --> 00:04:23,137 "Place is not haunted, is it?" 64 00:04:28,101 --> 00:04:29,227 It was too late by then. 65 00:04:29,310 --> 00:04:32,313 I already signed the paperwork for that, 66 00:04:32,438 --> 00:04:34,107 so there was no backing out. 67 00:04:35,525 --> 00:04:37,277 It's an old house. 68 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,114 There was always bumps, and you could hear footsteps 69 00:04:41,239 --> 00:04:42,240 on occasion. 70 00:04:44,492 --> 00:04:47,704 You would get a definite feeling 71 00:04:47,787 --> 00:04:52,208 of a heaviness or a darkness 72 00:04:52,292 --> 00:04:55,044 that really manifested itself 73 00:04:55,128 --> 00:04:56,129 at night. 74 00:05:06,472 --> 00:05:08,641 We were watching TV up here one evening. 75 00:05:11,978 --> 00:05:14,063 We suddenly heard a loud banging. 76 00:05:16,482 --> 00:05:18,067 What's that? 77 00:05:18,151 --> 00:05:20,320 What's going on? What was that banging? 78 00:05:20,445 --> 00:05:22,905 Rapid banging. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. 79 00:05:24,824 --> 00:05:27,660 Michael jumped up and ran downstairs to check the doors. 80 00:05:35,918 --> 00:05:37,045 And nobody was there. 81 00:05:45,345 --> 00:05:46,471 Robert, there's no one there. 82 00:05:47,472 --> 00:05:48,639 There's nobody in the parking lot. 83 00:05:48,723 --> 00:05:50,516 There's nobody around the building. 84 00:05:52,101 --> 00:05:55,480 Robert's daughter's bedroom was right next door. 85 00:05:55,563 --> 00:05:59,275 And she ended up contacting us by cell phone 86 00:05:59,359 --> 00:06:01,736 to, you know, to tell her dad what was going on. 87 00:06:01,861 --> 00:06:03,529 You, know, "Where is this noise coming from?" 88 00:06:05,239 --> 00:06:09,702 She said, "OMG, Dad, I heard that too. 89 00:06:09,786 --> 00:06:11,913 "It's coming from in here and I'm afraid to come out 90 00:06:12,038 --> 00:06:13,039 of the bedroom." 91 00:06:21,172 --> 00:06:23,299 Since there was a balcony that led right 92 00:06:23,383 --> 00:06:25,051 into my daughter's bedroom, 93 00:06:25,176 --> 00:06:26,886 I was really concerned that there could be 94 00:06:27,011 --> 00:06:28,304 somebody inside her room. 95 00:06:31,057 --> 00:06:32,392 There was nobody. 96 00:06:32,517 --> 00:06:35,895 She was sitting on the bed and quite scared. 97 00:06:40,066 --> 00:06:43,611 The fact that this is one of the oldest towns in America 98 00:06:43,736 --> 00:06:45,947 really just creates a breeding ground for lots 99 00:06:46,072 --> 00:06:48,533 of the supernatural, for lots of the paranormal. 100 00:06:48,616 --> 00:06:52,078 But first we have to rule out anything that could be 101 00:06:52,203 --> 00:06:54,330 happening in the real world. 102 00:06:54,414 --> 00:06:58,167 This could be an intruder, a stalker, someone trying 103 00:06:58,251 --> 00:06:59,585 to play a prank. 104 00:06:59,669 --> 00:07:03,256 It is not impossible to think that somebody was breaking in 105 00:07:03,339 --> 00:07:07,093 and wanted to scare them or cause some sort of harm. 106 00:07:09,554 --> 00:07:12,098 It was-- it was-- frightening. It was frightening. 107 00:07:12,223 --> 00:07:14,392 This was like the beginning of-- 108 00:07:14,475 --> 00:07:15,601 of something. 109 00:07:18,688 --> 00:07:21,732 Michael would keep diaries in each room, so guests often 110 00:07:21,816 --> 00:07:24,610 would write things down in the diaries. 111 00:07:24,694 --> 00:07:29,240 A lady woke up in the middle of the night to what she saw was 112 00:07:29,323 --> 00:07:32,910 a Revolutionary War soldier standing by her bed. 113 00:07:40,001 --> 00:07:44,338 There was another instance where a woman was sitting 114 00:07:44,464 --> 00:07:48,217 in the bathroom, combing her hair. 115 00:07:48,301 --> 00:07:50,845 And in the reflection, she saw another woman 116 00:07:50,970 --> 00:07:51,971 behind her. 117 00:07:59,437 --> 00:08:01,939 It didn't hurt business, because there are people 118 00:08:02,023 --> 00:08:04,984 out there that wanna experience something like that. 119 00:08:05,109 --> 00:08:09,280 And then there were others that came in here and... 120 00:08:10,615 --> 00:08:13,451 perhaps I wouldn't see again. 121 00:08:16,287 --> 00:08:19,457 I would definitely say, there was an element of us 122 00:08:19,540 --> 00:08:23,085 living in some sort of fear. 123 00:08:24,545 --> 00:08:27,215 Then I started seeing things. 124 00:08:29,509 --> 00:08:31,928 One morning after breakfast service, 125 00:08:32,011 --> 00:08:33,971 Michael and I were finishing up here in the kitchen. 126 00:08:34,055 --> 00:08:35,223 I was doing dishes. 127 00:08:50,238 --> 00:08:51,364 Michael, do you see that? 128 00:08:52,823 --> 00:08:54,659 And he looked up and he said, "No." 129 00:09:00,206 --> 00:09:02,667 I said, "There was a woman standing there watching you. 130 00:09:02,750 --> 00:09:04,627 She was there and now she's gone." 131 00:09:08,256 --> 00:09:11,425 I was just startled by that. 132 00:09:11,551 --> 00:09:12,593 It frightened me. 133 00:09:15,221 --> 00:09:19,725 So I'm paying attention now. People don't just disappear 134 00:09:19,850 --> 00:09:21,018 out of thin air. 135 00:09:21,102 --> 00:09:24,272 This is a very compelling piece of evidence that points 136 00:09:24,397 --> 00:09:25,565 toward the paranormal. 137 00:09:26,857 --> 00:09:30,027 And soon we will get more evidence that clarifies this. 138 00:09:38,244 --> 00:09:41,747 I was doing a historical tour in a local cemetery 139 00:09:41,872 --> 00:09:43,249 to a small group of women. 140 00:09:46,085 --> 00:09:50,506 One of the ladies was grabbing her phone in rapid succession. 141 00:09:50,590 --> 00:09:53,759 And I stopped and I said, "Is there something wrong?" 142 00:09:53,884 --> 00:09:57,221 And she goes, "No, my phone just keeps vibrating, 143 00:09:57,305 --> 00:09:58,431 but there's nothing there." 144 00:10:00,933 --> 00:10:03,227 I said, "OK, well, maybe we all need to start 145 00:10:03,311 --> 00:10:04,478 taking some photographs." 146 00:10:10,693 --> 00:10:14,488 I finished the tour, came back here, and the phone rang. 147 00:10:15,615 --> 00:10:17,658 It was one of the girls from the tour and said, 148 00:10:17,783 --> 00:10:20,703 "We have to come by and show you this photograph." 149 00:10:22,496 --> 00:10:26,000 Behind the stone was a very ominous 150 00:10:26,125 --> 00:10:27,710 figure. 151 00:10:27,793 --> 00:10:30,630 The figure had a black hat, black coat, 152 00:10:31,922 --> 00:10:33,215 pale-white face. 153 00:10:36,969 --> 00:10:39,347 Saw this ominous figure that really 154 00:10:39,472 --> 00:10:41,641 scared the out of me. 155 00:10:41,724 --> 00:10:45,978 That really drove home the fact that this could be 156 00:10:46,103 --> 00:10:47,313 a little bit dangerous. 157 00:10:48,189 --> 00:10:49,982 I'm going into these cemeteries, 158 00:10:50,107 --> 00:10:53,277 talking about these spirits, these people that have passed. 159 00:10:53,361 --> 00:10:54,987 Are they following me back here? 160 00:10:56,238 --> 00:10:57,406 What am I bringing home with me? 161 00:11:12,963 --> 00:11:15,132 A former employee came to Michael and I 162 00:11:15,216 --> 00:11:18,260 and related to us that she was a bit of clairvoyant. 163 00:11:19,470 --> 00:11:22,723 We sat around the kitchen table, and she kind of just 164 00:11:22,807 --> 00:11:25,851 went off and started telling us all these different things. 165 00:11:27,478 --> 00:11:30,815 She was telling me about her past experiences 166 00:11:30,940 --> 00:11:33,484 with a woman that she saw in the home. 167 00:11:33,609 --> 00:11:38,489 Victorian dress with a tiny waist, long flowing... 168 00:11:38,614 --> 00:11:41,867 When she mentioned the lady, I automatically knew 169 00:11:41,992 --> 00:11:43,327 who she was talking about. 170 00:11:48,374 --> 00:11:52,086 She did say that if we wanted to see her, 171 00:11:52,169 --> 00:11:54,380 this lady would manifest herself to us. 172 00:11:57,967 --> 00:11:59,802 As I approached the doorway here, 173 00:11:59,885 --> 00:12:03,806 she stopped me and said, "Look, look over there, look." 174 00:12:03,889 --> 00:12:05,182 Look over there, 175 00:12:05,266 --> 00:12:06,475 and you'll see her. 176 00:12:28,581 --> 00:12:30,833 Their former housekeeper reveals to them 177 00:12:30,916 --> 00:12:34,003 that she has actually seen this spirit before. 178 00:12:34,086 --> 00:12:37,089 And this is a very powerful moment where not only 179 00:12:37,214 --> 00:12:41,427 can this housekeeper verify what Robert and Michael 180 00:12:41,552 --> 00:12:44,305 are experiencing, she actually validates everything 181 00:12:44,388 --> 00:12:45,806 that they've been experiencing. 182 00:12:45,890 --> 00:12:48,309 And now that we can verify that there are 183 00:12:48,392 --> 00:12:50,644 paranormal occurrences that are happening here, 184 00:12:50,728 --> 00:12:53,481 the real question is, who is this woman? 185 00:12:53,564 --> 00:12:56,400 What is her identity? And what is her motive 186 00:12:56,525 --> 00:12:59,153 for trying to reach out or get in touch 187 00:12:59,236 --> 00:13:00,488 with Robert and Michael? 188 00:13:09,413 --> 00:13:11,624 This was my son's room. 189 00:13:15,461 --> 00:13:17,588 He started to spend a lot of time in here, 190 00:13:17,713 --> 00:13:20,758 and he didn't wanna come out, didn't wanna do very much, 191 00:13:20,883 --> 00:13:24,261 and really started on his path of kind of a depression. 192 00:13:28,432 --> 00:13:33,687 My son had a drug addiction and briefly got out of it 193 00:13:33,771 --> 00:13:36,148 when he went to go live with my parents. 194 00:13:40,611 --> 00:13:41,779 When he relapsed, 195 00:13:43,405 --> 00:13:44,406 that was the end. 196 00:13:53,374 --> 00:13:55,626 I always believed that 197 00:13:55,751 --> 00:14:01,131 his depression and the dark feelings in that room, 198 00:14:01,257 --> 00:14:06,053 whatever that energy was, really did affect my son. 199 00:14:12,226 --> 00:14:14,645 One night I was watching TV. 200 00:14:16,105 --> 00:14:17,273 There was nobody else here. 201 00:14:17,356 --> 00:14:18,941 Look this way. 202 00:14:22,778 --> 00:14:24,154 Look this way. 203 00:14:25,197 --> 00:14:26,198 Michael? 204 00:14:26,323 --> 00:14:28,075 Someone said, "Look this way." 205 00:14:29,869 --> 00:14:31,829 Michael, is that you? 206 00:14:31,912 --> 00:14:33,080 Look this way. 207 00:14:54,226 --> 00:14:55,811 I froze. 208 00:14:55,895 --> 00:14:57,146 I didn't know what to do. 209 00:14:58,355 --> 00:15:01,901 She was looking at me as I didn't belong here. 210 00:15:07,740 --> 00:15:11,702 Then she just disappeared. 211 00:16:07,675 --> 00:16:12,513 It kind of grabbed me by the collar, screaming at me, 212 00:16:12,596 --> 00:16:15,224 like you would if you were screaming at someone 213 00:16:15,307 --> 00:16:16,600 but they couldn't hear you. 214 00:16:16,725 --> 00:16:20,729 Whatever entity, spirit, whatever you wanna call it, 215 00:16:20,854 --> 00:16:23,399 wanted to be left alone in there. 216 00:16:26,777 --> 00:16:31,073 There was a feeling of, "You don't belong here." 217 00:16:35,869 --> 00:16:38,247 Because of the fact that there seems to be 218 00:16:38,372 --> 00:16:42,418 a disapproving nature coming from these spirits, 219 00:16:42,543 --> 00:16:46,088 it tells me that there must be a deep connection to the space. 220 00:16:46,171 --> 00:16:48,799 I don't think that it's somebody 221 00:16:48,924 --> 00:16:52,428 from outside of the house, like the graveyard, 222 00:16:52,511 --> 00:16:54,471 or maybe from a battlefield. 223 00:16:54,596 --> 00:16:57,641 I actually think it might be more intimately connected 224 00:16:57,766 --> 00:16:59,268 to the house itself. 225 00:17:00,644 --> 00:17:04,940 After doing some research, I found out that the original 226 00:17:05,065 --> 00:17:07,443 builders and owners of the house were 227 00:17:07,526 --> 00:17:10,946 the family of the Dennisons in 1783. 228 00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:14,616 And they built it as a very luxurious family-oriented home. 229 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:18,078 And it's quite possible that these spirits are 230 00:17:18,162 --> 00:17:21,582 members of the Dennison family who don't realize 231 00:17:21,665 --> 00:17:23,959 that they're not the owners of the house anymore. 232 00:17:24,043 --> 00:17:26,462 And so from the perspective of the Dennisons, 233 00:17:26,587 --> 00:17:29,882 it could appear as though Michael and Robert are 234 00:17:29,965 --> 00:17:31,300 actually the intruders. 235 00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:37,181 I stirred something up in here. 236 00:17:39,892 --> 00:17:43,771 The experiences started to ramp up, 237 00:17:43,854 --> 00:17:45,481 like a door was opened. 238 00:17:53,489 --> 00:17:54,656 We weren't sure what to do. 239 00:17:58,202 --> 00:17:59,369 I believe 240 00:18:00,537 --> 00:18:05,334 there is one dominant spirit in this house. 241 00:18:05,417 --> 00:18:11,173 That spirit allows the others to interact at its will. 242 00:18:30,818 --> 00:18:33,529 We had some friends come over one evening. 243 00:18:34,988 --> 00:18:37,407 They wanted to do 244 00:18:37,533 --> 00:18:38,992 a little mini investigation. 245 00:18:40,536 --> 00:18:41,703 They brought a spirit box. 246 00:18:43,413 --> 00:18:47,876 A spirit box is a tool that paranormal investigators use 247 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,711 in trying to communicate with spirit. 248 00:18:49,837 --> 00:18:55,342 It's essentially a radio that emits electromagnetic frequency 249 00:18:55,425 --> 00:18:59,388 in which spirits can come in and try and speak through. 250 00:18:59,513 --> 00:19:02,683 The belief is that spirit is made out of specific 251 00:19:02,766 --> 00:19:06,728 energy frequencies, specifically electromagnetic frequency, 252 00:19:06,812 --> 00:19:10,440 and so spirits can kind of use that energy 253 00:19:10,566 --> 00:19:13,277 and communicate through the words or the songs 254 00:19:13,402 --> 00:19:15,404 that are coming from radio stations. 255 00:19:28,917 --> 00:19:30,669 It was definitely responding to questions, 256 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,755 but didn't make any sense. 257 00:19:36,508 --> 00:19:41,138 To hear voices, the voices that are in this home, 258 00:19:41,263 --> 00:19:44,683 coming through and-- and giving us messages. 259 00:19:44,766 --> 00:19:48,604 I mean, these people are in this home, these spirits. 260 00:19:48,729 --> 00:19:51,815 I mean, it just-- it was frightening to me. 261 00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:17,216 It almost felt like the floor was collapsing. 262 00:20:18,926 --> 00:20:24,640 That was a definitive moment for me because then I thought, 263 00:20:24,765 --> 00:20:25,891 what are we doing here? 264 00:20:26,892 --> 00:20:27,893 I have to live here. 265 00:20:35,525 --> 00:20:38,028 While I'm talking about these stories, 266 00:20:38,153 --> 00:20:41,615 I've noticed that the-- for me, the temperature of the room 267 00:20:41,698 --> 00:20:42,658 has dropped. 268 00:20:42,783 --> 00:20:45,619 I'm, like, I'm shivering right now, 269 00:20:45,702 --> 00:20:47,371 I don't know if-- 270 00:20:47,496 --> 00:20:48,497 Yeah. 271 00:20:49,998 --> 00:20:52,334 Yeah, we're... we're being watched. 272 00:20:56,004 --> 00:20:59,633 I feel a little tensed sitting here right now, 273 00:20:59,716 --> 00:21:01,677 knowing that they're probably around me. 274 00:21:03,845 --> 00:21:04,805 Are you looking forward 275 00:21:04,888 --> 00:21:06,306 to getting out of the house? 276 00:21:07,432 --> 00:21:08,892 I think it's almost time. 277 00:21:11,561 --> 00:21:13,689 I remembered something that happened 278 00:21:13,814 --> 00:21:16,024 just before most of these incidences. 279 00:21:18,860 --> 00:21:23,115 I was able to purchase a portrait of King George III. 280 00:21:25,242 --> 00:21:28,161 I put it up over the fireplace. 281 00:21:28,245 --> 00:21:31,373 I didn't really think about what I was actually doing. 282 00:21:31,498 --> 00:21:34,918 To me, it's no coincidence that many of these paranormal 283 00:21:35,043 --> 00:21:39,214 incidents begin to happen when Robert puts this portrait 284 00:21:39,339 --> 00:21:42,217 of King George III on his mantle. 285 00:21:43,260 --> 00:21:45,846 There's a layered history, of course, with this area, 286 00:21:45,929 --> 00:21:47,764 with the Revolutionary War. 287 00:21:47,889 --> 00:21:51,393 It's said that King George was a tyrant himself, 288 00:21:51,476 --> 00:21:57,190 so the spirits could see that as a real offensive act. 289 00:21:57,274 --> 00:22:01,445 So, I'm led to believe that it was the owners of the house, 290 00:22:01,570 --> 00:22:04,906 that they were patriots, and they are offended 291 00:22:04,990 --> 00:22:07,909 by Robert, who, by putting that portrait up, 292 00:22:08,035 --> 00:22:10,162 is aligning himself with their enemies. 293 00:22:13,915 --> 00:22:18,003 The things that happened in this house to me, 294 00:22:18,086 --> 00:22:21,798 to Michael, to my son, to my daughter, 295 00:22:21,923 --> 00:22:23,050 are all connected. 296 00:22:25,385 --> 00:22:28,889 Could it be a vengeful spirit looking to seek out 297 00:22:28,972 --> 00:22:30,265 that punishment on us? 298 00:22:31,391 --> 00:22:32,392 Absolutely. 299 00:22:33,769 --> 00:22:35,771 We loved this home as a couple, 300 00:22:37,105 --> 00:22:39,608 but at the end, the spirit world got 301 00:22:39,733 --> 00:22:43,111 their way with us, and they drove us out of this home. 302 00:22:48,367 --> 00:22:49,993 We went our separate ways. 303 00:22:55,624 --> 00:22:57,084 There were a lot of different reasons. 304 00:22:57,167 --> 00:23:00,379 The reason I decided to leave here, 305 00:23:00,462 --> 00:23:02,214 there was a lot of buildup to it. 306 00:23:02,297 --> 00:23:03,465 Losing my son. 307 00:23:04,674 --> 00:23:08,970 The relationship, um, between Michael and I, 308 00:23:09,054 --> 00:23:13,433 um, being affected directly or indirectly 309 00:23:13,517 --> 00:23:16,645 by what was happening here. I think perhaps that... 310 00:23:18,438 --> 00:23:19,439 If we had-- 311 00:23:23,026 --> 00:23:24,444 done this someplace else, 312 00:23:26,321 --> 00:23:28,657 there's a chance we could still be together. 313 00:23:28,782 --> 00:23:32,077 Sometimes they do say that spirits do follow you. 314 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:37,457 Um, where I am now, I'm settled and I have not had any... 315 00:23:37,541 --> 00:23:41,336 had any spiritual activity um, in my new location. 316 00:23:43,964 --> 00:23:46,383 I've just finally kind of righted myself. 317 00:23:48,135 --> 00:23:49,136 And this is the beginning. 318 00:23:50,554 --> 00:23:53,723 Coming back here and talking about it 319 00:23:53,849 --> 00:23:56,685 is part of the new beginning for me. 320 00:24:24,087 --> 00:24:26,006 Before coming to Jaffrey, 321 00:24:26,131 --> 00:24:28,341 I lived in Vicksburg, Mississippi. 322 00:24:28,467 --> 00:24:30,552 I was a volunteer firefighter. 323 00:24:30,677 --> 00:24:32,179 I also worked at a grain mill. 324 00:24:37,434 --> 00:24:39,394 I ended up moving up to New Hampshire 325 00:24:39,519 --> 00:24:40,854 with one of my girlfriends. 326 00:24:42,355 --> 00:24:45,358 Relationships don't always work out, so I had to find 327 00:24:45,484 --> 00:24:46,526 a place of my own. 328 00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:51,281 That's when I ended up here. 329 00:24:53,575 --> 00:24:56,369 It was old, from the 1700s. 330 00:24:58,872 --> 00:25:02,042 It was just cute, it was small, and I was like, 331 00:25:02,167 --> 00:25:03,376 "Yeah, this is all I need." 332 00:25:05,045 --> 00:25:06,838 Looking at the price of the cottage, 333 00:25:06,922 --> 00:25:10,217 it was strangely affordable, especially for New Hampshire. 334 00:25:10,342 --> 00:25:13,887 I could totally afford it, but looking back at it, 335 00:25:13,970 --> 00:25:15,639 that was probably a red flag. 336 00:25:20,477 --> 00:25:22,646 Tawney Lewis, Dave Childers, take one. 337 00:25:25,815 --> 00:25:27,734 My personal opinion when researching 338 00:25:27,859 --> 00:25:30,487 the Dave Childers case, 339 00:25:30,570 --> 00:25:33,114 I immediately thought, "Oh, my goodness, 340 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,076 "this can go so many ways, because it could be rooted 341 00:25:36,201 --> 00:25:37,911 in so many different things." 342 00:25:37,994 --> 00:25:40,956 But it all started when he first moved in the house. 343 00:25:41,081 --> 00:25:44,334 Richard Estep, Dave Childers, take one. 344 00:25:44,417 --> 00:25:47,754 It looked to me like a classic type of haunting, 345 00:25:47,837 --> 00:25:50,966 with symptoms that I've seen a thousand times before. 346 00:25:51,091 --> 00:25:53,426 It was only when we dig a little bit more deeply 347 00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:56,429 into Dave's story that we learned there was 348 00:25:56,555 --> 00:25:58,557 a tragedy at the heart of it all. 349 00:26:08,858 --> 00:26:10,902 I had very little from the beginning. 350 00:26:12,112 --> 00:26:14,030 But then I started to collect some antiques. 351 00:26:17,576 --> 00:26:19,869 Stuff that some people might consider weird. 352 00:26:22,914 --> 00:26:24,833 I've been interested in horror movies 353 00:26:24,958 --> 00:26:28,044 and supernatural stuff basically my whole life. 354 00:26:28,128 --> 00:26:30,255 And most of my friends, they're into the same thing 355 00:26:30,338 --> 00:26:31,339 as I am. 356 00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:34,301 But for me, 357 00:26:34,384 --> 00:26:35,385 it was home. 358 00:26:42,309 --> 00:26:45,478 What I didn't know was, while I was settling in, 359 00:26:46,896 --> 00:26:48,982 things were about to get real unsettled. 360 00:27:00,118 --> 00:27:01,369 I was laying in the bed. 361 00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:05,415 Around 2, 3 o'clock in the morning, I get woken up. 362 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,542 You could tell whenever a person is staring at you. 363 00:27:49,626 --> 00:27:51,503 You just-- the hair really stands up 364 00:27:51,586 --> 00:27:53,213 on the back of your neck and you can just sense 'em. 365 00:28:01,471 --> 00:28:03,640 Then I heard suddenly some knocking over here 366 00:28:03,723 --> 00:28:05,350 in the closet. 367 00:28:05,433 --> 00:28:06,685 Then I opened up the door... 368 00:28:09,020 --> 00:28:10,563 Nothing, nothing in here at all. 369 00:28:15,902 --> 00:28:18,071 As soon as I shut the closet door, 370 00:28:18,196 --> 00:28:19,572 I'd lay back down, try to go back to sleep, 371 00:28:19,698 --> 00:28:20,615 and next thing you know... 372 00:28:22,492 --> 00:28:23,910 It was almost like something was playing 373 00:28:24,035 --> 00:28:25,078 cat and mouse with me. 374 00:28:29,666 --> 00:28:30,917 Finally, I was just worn out. 375 00:28:32,752 --> 00:28:34,671 I had to get some rest, 376 00:28:34,754 --> 00:28:36,381 but I tell you what, I did not cut the light. 377 00:28:36,464 --> 00:28:38,007 I kept the lights on all night. 378 00:28:45,432 --> 00:28:46,599 You move into a new house, and it's 379 00:28:46,725 --> 00:28:47,851 an unfamiliar environment, 380 00:28:47,934 --> 00:28:49,769 and it takes time not only for you to get 381 00:28:49,853 --> 00:28:51,521 used to the house, but sometimes for it 382 00:28:51,604 --> 00:28:53,231 to get used to you. 383 00:28:53,314 --> 00:28:55,567 So Dave can be forgiven for thinking that he's being 384 00:28:55,650 --> 00:28:57,986 watched when there's nobody else in the house. 385 00:28:58,111 --> 00:29:00,238 But many paranormal investigators and sensitives 386 00:29:00,321 --> 00:29:02,949 will tell you that the best ghost detector is 387 00:29:03,074 --> 00:29:05,452 the human body. - He hears noises. 388 00:29:05,535 --> 00:29:07,620 He feels like someone's watching him. 389 00:29:07,746 --> 00:29:10,206 And all the spidey senses are starting to go off. 390 00:29:31,060 --> 00:29:33,188 I went through this whole cottage, 391 00:29:33,271 --> 00:29:35,482 trying to see exactly what it is. 392 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,575 Do I have any rodents in here? 393 00:29:45,658 --> 00:29:48,620 "Do I have a chipmunk, squirrel, or something like that?" 394 00:29:48,745 --> 00:29:50,038 But I never could find anything. 395 00:29:54,959 --> 00:29:58,171 Soon after moving in, I started unpacking. 396 00:30:00,882 --> 00:30:02,801 That's whenever I felt like someone was 397 00:30:02,884 --> 00:30:04,260 staring over my shoulder. 398 00:30:07,722 --> 00:30:08,765 Fire. 399 00:30:27,992 --> 00:30:29,661 I thought it was maybe somebody outside 400 00:30:29,744 --> 00:30:31,162 messing with me, maybe there were neighbors 401 00:30:31,287 --> 00:30:32,664 that I've never seen before. 402 00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:34,499 Maybe they have kids or something come over there, 403 00:30:34,624 --> 00:30:36,334 and seeing the new person move in, 404 00:30:36,459 --> 00:30:37,669 try to play pranks on 'em. 405 00:30:49,514 --> 00:30:52,809 I'm starting to sort of get iffy about this location, 406 00:30:52,892 --> 00:30:55,520 because there's no way some of the experiences 407 00:30:55,645 --> 00:31:00,358 that I've had, that is something that is from this world. 408 00:31:00,441 --> 00:31:02,026 As Dave starts to feel uneasy, 409 00:31:02,151 --> 00:31:03,778 my first thought is, "Hey, maybe this is just 410 00:31:03,862 --> 00:31:05,488 a classic fear response." 411 00:31:05,572 --> 00:31:08,032 But, as a former firefighter, Dave has gone into 412 00:31:08,116 --> 00:31:09,701 burning buildings many times. 413 00:31:09,826 --> 00:31:11,536 He does not have the same fear threshold 414 00:31:11,619 --> 00:31:12,871 that most people have. 415 00:31:12,954 --> 00:31:15,832 It's unlikely that creaking doors are gonna unsettle 416 00:31:15,915 --> 00:31:17,083 a man like that. 417 00:31:17,208 --> 00:31:19,085 We need to look a little deeper for our explanation 418 00:31:19,210 --> 00:31:20,545 as to what's going on. 419 00:31:20,628 --> 00:31:23,214 Based off of everything that Dave is saying, 420 00:31:23,298 --> 00:31:25,717 you know, the knocking, the noises, 421 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,553 I already know that this is going to start ramping up 422 00:31:28,678 --> 00:31:30,221 and turn into something even bigger. 423 00:31:37,896 --> 00:31:40,106 One day I was getting ready for work and my keys were 424 00:31:40,231 --> 00:31:41,566 nowhere to be found. 425 00:31:58,416 --> 00:32:00,251 What the hell is going on? 426 00:32:02,879 --> 00:32:04,964 As I was checking for the keys, all of a sudden 427 00:32:05,089 --> 00:32:06,257 a radio turns on. 428 00:32:08,092 --> 00:32:09,260 Then my TV. 429 00:32:13,723 --> 00:32:16,267 I was like, "This cannot be happening." 430 00:32:16,392 --> 00:32:18,519 Now looking at electrical phenomena. 431 00:32:18,603 --> 00:32:20,772 Electricity is something that spirits can manipulate 432 00:32:20,855 --> 00:32:22,023 at their own will. 433 00:32:22,106 --> 00:32:24,567 Sometimes they do it to make us aware of their presence. 434 00:32:24,651 --> 00:32:28,696 The question is, who is doing the manipulating? 435 00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:31,282 Is it something connected to Dave's belongings? 436 00:32:31,366 --> 00:32:33,326 And these are the questions that I'm gonna try and answer. 437 00:32:38,373 --> 00:32:40,625 Maybe it could be some of the stuff that I brought 438 00:32:40,750 --> 00:32:42,627 into the cottage. 439 00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:45,046 Some of these objects that I have could be drawing 440 00:32:45,129 --> 00:32:47,298 in some, like, dark energy. 441 00:32:51,844 --> 00:32:54,806 I have some old medical slides that I obtained 442 00:32:54,931 --> 00:32:55,974 from a hospital. 443 00:32:57,850 --> 00:33:01,229 So Dave is someone that likes to collect all sorts of things, 444 00:33:01,312 --> 00:33:03,773 bizarre things, antiques, and that's fine. 445 00:33:03,856 --> 00:33:05,566 There's tons of collectors in the world. 446 00:33:05,650 --> 00:33:08,945 However, you have to be careful when being a collector 447 00:33:09,028 --> 00:33:10,113 of antiques. 448 00:33:10,196 --> 00:33:12,281 You could be bringing home something that might have 449 00:33:12,365 --> 00:33:16,369 a spirit attached to it or just overall energy. 450 00:33:16,494 --> 00:33:18,037 There are items in the world that might have 451 00:33:18,162 --> 00:33:19,747 multiple spirits attached to it. 452 00:33:19,831 --> 00:33:21,708 So if you're a collector, you really, really have 453 00:33:21,833 --> 00:33:22,834 to pay attention. 454 00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:26,838 I have a Ouija board that is pretty unique. 455 00:33:26,921 --> 00:33:29,340 Only 13 of them made. 456 00:33:29,424 --> 00:33:32,218 The creator of the Ouija board, Jeraldine Saunders, 457 00:33:32,343 --> 00:33:35,722 her fiancé, Albert Dekker, died six years earlier. 458 00:33:37,015 --> 00:33:40,018 He was found dead hanging in the shower 459 00:33:40,101 --> 00:33:43,062 with needles in his arms and derogatory words written 460 00:33:43,187 --> 00:33:46,774 on him in red lipstick, and they claimed it a suicide. 461 00:33:49,235 --> 00:33:52,155 There may be a macabre story attached to the type of board 462 00:33:52,238 --> 00:33:55,199 that Dave has in his house, but I think that that's 463 00:33:55,283 --> 00:33:58,202 less significant simply than the fact that there is 464 00:33:58,327 --> 00:34:01,622 a Ouija board in the house of any kind. 465 00:34:01,706 --> 00:34:05,168 Ouija boards are pathways for spirits to not only 466 00:34:05,251 --> 00:34:07,545 communicate with the living, but sometimes may act 467 00:34:07,670 --> 00:34:09,422 as a conduit for them to enter our world. 468 00:34:22,894 --> 00:34:24,896 The interesting thing about this property, 469 00:34:25,021 --> 00:34:27,356 I did some research on it and found out there were 470 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,610 13 owners in the 1990s all the way up to now. 471 00:34:32,528 --> 00:34:35,531 So that's like, OK, that went through a lot of owners. 472 00:34:37,533 --> 00:34:39,077 There's got to be a reason why. 473 00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:55,176 I saw a figure. 474 00:34:56,219 --> 00:34:59,555 It was like she was sort of lost in a way. 475 00:35:01,641 --> 00:35:03,142 She didn't know where to go. 476 00:35:03,226 --> 00:35:05,937 I really do think that she was looking for something. 477 00:35:10,525 --> 00:35:12,235 This is the area where I saw her 478 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,405 and she was pacing back and forth, back and forth. 479 00:35:16,531 --> 00:35:19,033 And I mean, as soon as she got to this point, 480 00:35:19,117 --> 00:35:20,827 she sort of stalled for a little bit and she kept 481 00:35:20,910 --> 00:35:23,538 on pacing back and forth more and more. 482 00:35:23,621 --> 00:35:26,707 And then she just eventually just disappeared. 483 00:35:31,754 --> 00:35:35,591 When it comes to hauntings, you know, there is a lot trauma 484 00:35:35,675 --> 00:35:36,676 with these spirits. 485 00:35:36,759 --> 00:35:39,428 Some of them may not even know that they're dead. 486 00:35:39,554 --> 00:35:42,348 And they're repeating the last thing that they knew to do, 487 00:35:42,431 --> 00:35:43,516 which could be anything. 488 00:35:47,812 --> 00:35:50,523 When I saw my landlord, I started talking to him 489 00:35:50,606 --> 00:35:53,401 about some of the events that's done happen to me. 490 00:35:54,902 --> 00:35:57,697 My landlord totally validated what I saw. 491 00:35:57,780 --> 00:36:00,032 I saw a woman in older period clothing. 492 00:36:00,116 --> 00:36:01,534 He saw the same thing. 493 00:36:09,876 --> 00:36:11,794 Jaffrey used to be a milling town, 494 00:36:11,919 --> 00:36:15,131 and the place where Dave lives was once a boarding house 495 00:36:15,214 --> 00:36:16,841 for some of those milling workers. 496 00:36:16,966 --> 00:36:19,927 This was a tough and unforgiving existence. 497 00:36:20,011 --> 00:36:22,680 There was nothing in the way of healthcare, not the greatest 498 00:36:22,805 --> 00:36:25,933 of sanitary conditions, an age in which people died 499 00:36:26,017 --> 00:36:29,812 at a very young age and were often buried wherever they died, 500 00:36:29,896 --> 00:36:31,272 in the close proximity. 501 00:36:31,355 --> 00:36:34,775 It would not surprise me at all to see that this translated 502 00:36:34,859 --> 00:36:37,486 into a haunting that Dave is now dealing with himself. 503 00:36:58,841 --> 00:37:00,468 Oh, Jesus. 504 00:37:03,846 --> 00:37:05,181 Fire. 505 00:37:23,658 --> 00:37:24,992 Fire. 506 00:37:27,245 --> 00:37:30,289 So I came in here to see exactly what was going on. 507 00:37:30,373 --> 00:37:32,917 I mean, it was so hot, and this is what I found. 508 00:37:34,085 --> 00:37:35,628 I know I didn't do it 'cause I don't even use 509 00:37:35,711 --> 00:37:36,963 the last two burners. 510 00:37:37,046 --> 00:37:38,673 I'm wondering how they got turned on. 511 00:37:38,756 --> 00:37:40,007 It just don't make any sense to me. 512 00:37:40,091 --> 00:37:41,092 It really doesn't. 513 00:37:42,593 --> 00:37:45,221 Were not dealing with a sequence of random events here. 514 00:37:45,346 --> 00:37:48,224 I think were looking at a sequence of interconnected 515 00:37:48,349 --> 00:37:51,394 warnings, threats, and possibly hazards, 516 00:37:51,477 --> 00:37:53,562 all of them directed at Dave. 517 00:37:53,646 --> 00:37:56,315 The burner could have burned his house to the ground, 518 00:37:56,399 --> 00:37:59,443 could have burned Dave to death if he was asleep 519 00:37:59,568 --> 00:38:00,778 while that happened. 520 00:38:00,903 --> 00:38:03,030 The fact that the spirit haunting his home has chosen 521 00:38:03,114 --> 00:38:05,658 heat as its method of threatening him 522 00:38:05,741 --> 00:38:07,368 may hold some significance. 523 00:38:10,454 --> 00:38:11,914 I really felt like I was targeted. 524 00:38:11,998 --> 00:38:15,376 I felt like something was trying to not just get 525 00:38:15,459 --> 00:38:18,838 my attention, but try to make something fatal happen to me. 526 00:38:21,465 --> 00:38:23,634 I've thought about it multiple times, 527 00:38:23,759 --> 00:38:26,595 of just packing up my stuff, getting another place, 528 00:38:26,721 --> 00:38:30,182 but I've got to try to figure this out for myself. 529 00:38:33,728 --> 00:38:35,896 I really do think these boards are mostly, 530 00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:37,857 you know, stereotyped because of the movies, 531 00:38:37,940 --> 00:38:41,694 but on this occasion, all hell broke loose. 532 00:38:41,777 --> 00:38:44,030 The easiest way to describe 533 00:38:44,113 --> 00:38:47,616 why its not a good idea to use a Ouija board is 534 00:38:47,742 --> 00:38:49,785 'cause you don't know who you're talking to. 535 00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:52,913 It's like a phone call, just dialing any number 536 00:38:52,997 --> 00:38:54,290 and saying who picks up. 537 00:38:54,415 --> 00:38:55,458 Who are you? 538 00:38:57,001 --> 00:39:01,380 I was hoping for validation to actually find out a name, 539 00:39:01,464 --> 00:39:04,133 something where I can end the haunting. 540 00:39:21,484 --> 00:39:22,485 Fire! 541 00:39:26,322 --> 00:39:27,531 Fire! 542 00:39:29,825 --> 00:39:30,993 Fire! 543 00:39:34,497 --> 00:39:35,539 Fire. 544 00:39:36,999 --> 00:39:38,042 Fire. 545 00:39:40,503 --> 00:39:41,587 Fire. 546 00:39:43,047 --> 00:39:45,049 Fire! 547 00:39:48,260 --> 00:39:49,345 And that's when it was done. 548 00:39:50,429 --> 00:39:51,972 Close the board out, I was done with it. 549 00:39:53,474 --> 00:39:55,684 There are a lot of pieces to this puzzle that we have 550 00:39:55,768 --> 00:39:58,521 to try and put together if we're to solve it. 551 00:39:58,646 --> 00:40:01,690 Research shows that there were a series of fires in Jaffrey 552 00:40:01,774 --> 00:40:04,485 in the late 1700s, which ripped through the town 553 00:40:04,568 --> 00:40:06,320 and took a number of lives. 554 00:40:06,404 --> 00:40:09,657 In 1793, those fires ripped through two of the town's 555 00:40:09,740 --> 00:40:13,285 schoolhouses, which were there for the children of the people 556 00:40:13,369 --> 00:40:15,037 that worked in the mill. 557 00:40:15,162 --> 00:40:17,498 Is it possible the woman Dave has seen is in fact the mother 558 00:40:17,581 --> 00:40:19,125 of one of those children? 559 00:40:19,208 --> 00:40:22,545 If that is the case, one question still remains. 560 00:40:22,670 --> 00:40:25,172 Why is she so angry at Dave? 561 00:40:27,383 --> 00:40:29,927 I started connecting the stove incident 562 00:40:30,052 --> 00:40:31,971 plus the schoolhouse being burnt down 563 00:40:32,054 --> 00:40:35,057 and also me being an ex-firefighter, 564 00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:39,728 I might be the target because the mother of the family 565 00:40:39,812 --> 00:40:41,981 was mad at the firefighters because they weren't able 566 00:40:42,064 --> 00:40:43,691 to get in there and save the family. 567 00:40:43,774 --> 00:40:45,734 I mean, me being an ex-firefighter, 568 00:40:45,818 --> 00:40:48,028 that sort of lines up. 569 00:40:51,907 --> 00:40:53,617 You know, it really opened up my mind. 570 00:40:58,998 --> 00:41:00,666 Fire! 571 00:41:00,749 --> 00:41:02,460 That's a lot of trauma to go through. 572 00:41:05,754 --> 00:41:08,007 Mother has lost their family. 573 00:41:12,761 --> 00:41:16,348 It started tugging at my heart that she was lost 574 00:41:16,432 --> 00:41:18,684 and she was going through all this and... 575 00:41:18,767 --> 00:41:20,644 that's why I did the cleansing, because I really wanted 576 00:41:20,769 --> 00:41:25,357 to move on and wanted her to be with her children. 577 00:41:25,441 --> 00:41:27,234 And I really hope it works out for the best, 578 00:41:28,569 --> 00:41:31,030 but in the back of my head, I really think this haunting 579 00:41:31,113 --> 00:41:32,323 will continue. 580 00:41:32,448 --> 00:41:33,574 When it comes to Dave Childers case, 581 00:41:33,657 --> 00:41:36,452 I feel that this spirit is so angry with him 582 00:41:36,535 --> 00:41:38,787 because Dave was a firefighter. 583 00:41:38,871 --> 00:41:41,248 To me, this is a clear case of revenge. 584 00:41:46,921 --> 00:41:51,550 This experience really taught me a lot about spirit 585 00:41:53,052 --> 00:41:55,137 and how they can communicate 586 00:41:57,515 --> 00:42:00,643 and be around you and actually make you acknowledge them. 45756

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