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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,626 --> 00:00:04,838 After about six months of dating, we decided to move in 2 00:00:04,921 --> 00:00:08,550 together and that was when everything changed. 3 00:00:08,675 --> 00:00:10,176 I was so happy when we moved in. 4 00:00:11,177 --> 00:00:12,345 But that didn't last. 5 00:00:12,470 --> 00:00:16,016 McKenna is a non-believer, at least at first. 6 00:00:16,099 --> 00:00:19,269 All houses have their secrets, but few are as disturbing as 7 00:00:19,352 --> 00:00:21,312 finding a padded room down in the basement. 8 00:00:23,690 --> 00:00:25,400 A home's supposed to be a safe haven. 9 00:00:26,484 --> 00:00:28,445 The house just seemed so negative. 10 00:00:30,780 --> 00:00:33,033 Now this is-- this is a scary part here for me. 11 00:00:35,660 --> 00:00:38,872 What's going on with Karlo at this age is beyond traumatic, 12 00:00:38,997 --> 00:00:40,790 and I'm sure it's gonna stay with him for the rest 13 00:00:40,874 --> 00:00:41,875 of his life. 14 00:00:43,877 --> 00:00:45,545 It felt like it was taunting me. 15 00:00:47,130 --> 00:00:48,840 God can't help you. 16 00:00:48,923 --> 00:00:50,842 This thing had it out for me. 17 00:00:50,925 --> 00:00:54,345 In that moment, my world shattered. 18 00:01:33,968 --> 00:01:36,012 I grew up in Findlay, Ohio, 19 00:01:36,096 --> 00:01:38,223 and it was a very rural area, 20 00:01:39,432 --> 00:01:41,893 so everybody knew everybody in the town, 21 00:01:41,976 --> 00:01:44,604 and I went to a university there. 22 00:01:44,687 --> 00:01:47,482 That's when I auditioned and got a part in a low-budget 23 00:01:47,607 --> 00:01:49,275 horror short film. 24 00:01:49,359 --> 00:01:52,028 The cameraman on the film was Chris. 25 00:01:52,112 --> 00:01:54,781 We had a 22-year age difference, so it was pretty 26 00:01:54,864 --> 00:01:58,326 shocking for a lot of people, but we were just-- 27 00:01:58,451 --> 00:01:59,619 we meshed really well. 28 00:01:59,702 --> 00:02:02,497 His personality was just incredible. 29 00:02:04,207 --> 00:02:05,625 Chris believed in the paranormal. 30 00:02:05,750 --> 00:02:07,252 He was a paranormal investigator. 31 00:02:07,335 --> 00:02:09,921 That was one of the very first things he told me. 32 00:02:10,004 --> 00:02:12,132 I thought it was ridiculous. 33 00:02:12,257 --> 00:02:15,677 After about six months of dating, we decided to move 34 00:02:15,802 --> 00:02:17,303 in together. It was his apartment. 35 00:02:19,139 --> 00:02:21,266 And something dark and terrifying wreaked 36 00:02:21,349 --> 00:02:22,433 its revenge on me. 37 00:02:23,852 --> 00:02:25,854 Richard Estep, McKenna Essman, take one. 38 00:02:27,147 --> 00:02:29,524 For McKenna and Chris, their story begins 39 00:02:29,649 --> 00:02:31,151 very happily. 40 00:02:31,234 --> 00:02:33,194 It was only after they moved in together 41 00:02:33,319 --> 00:02:35,238 that it began to take on much darker 42 00:02:35,321 --> 00:02:36,489 and more sinister overtones. 43 00:02:37,490 --> 00:02:39,993 Erin Goodpipe, McKenna Essman, take one. 44 00:02:40,076 --> 00:02:42,495 What really fascinated me about this case is the fact 45 00:02:42,579 --> 00:02:45,832 that McKenna is a non-believer, at least at first. 46 00:02:49,711 --> 00:02:52,172 Chris lived an hour away in Fremont, 47 00:02:52,255 --> 00:02:54,591 which was a much bigger city than Findlay. 48 00:02:57,260 --> 00:03:00,013 He was renting an old house with a lot of character. 49 00:03:03,308 --> 00:03:05,810 Moving in with Chris was a major move. 50 00:03:05,894 --> 00:03:10,148 I was very scared, and not being with my parents anymore. 51 00:03:22,785 --> 00:03:24,871 I didn't like the house at first. 52 00:03:24,954 --> 00:03:26,706 I thought it looked run-down. 53 00:03:26,789 --> 00:03:30,210 I was used to a relatively nice house. 54 00:03:30,293 --> 00:03:32,670 The cars were different, the streets were different. 55 00:03:35,506 --> 00:03:37,550 It was just more of a rundown area. 56 00:03:37,634 --> 00:03:40,011 So, the house to me seemed creepy. 57 00:03:46,726 --> 00:03:48,895 He kind of jokingly said, 58 00:03:48,978 --> 00:03:50,813 "My house is haunted." 59 00:03:50,897 --> 00:03:53,024 Christopher... 60 00:03:55,818 --> 00:03:58,571 I spent a lot of time in the home alone 61 00:03:58,655 --> 00:04:00,031 because he was working all day, 62 00:04:00,114 --> 00:04:01,115 I was in college. 63 00:04:02,325 --> 00:04:04,869 And that was when everything changed. 64 00:04:08,957 --> 00:04:11,834 I started to notice little noises here and there. 65 00:04:13,086 --> 00:04:15,755 And, you know, it scared me. 66 00:04:15,838 --> 00:04:17,882 It made me feel on edge. 67 00:04:17,966 --> 00:04:20,218 Are you trying to embarrass me? 68 00:04:20,301 --> 00:04:22,762 I did start hearing the whisperings, almost like 69 00:04:22,887 --> 00:04:25,348 conversations going on around me. 70 00:04:25,431 --> 00:04:26,975 I always loved him. 71 00:04:27,100 --> 00:04:28,935 One of the most logical things 72 00:04:29,060 --> 00:04:30,979 that I thought of was either, 73 00:04:31,104 --> 00:04:34,107 A, it was neighbors outside, because we actually had 74 00:04:34,232 --> 00:04:36,526 a little sidewalk that ran in between the two houses. 75 00:04:36,609 --> 00:04:38,778 And again, the houses were really close. 76 00:04:38,903 --> 00:04:42,448 So I thought someone probably just walked on that sidewalk. 77 00:04:46,536 --> 00:04:50,164 I was in another room, and I would hear the noises in 78 00:04:50,290 --> 00:04:51,916 another room, and so I always thought, 79 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,919 you know, I just heard something wrong. 80 00:05:00,508 --> 00:05:02,635 The voices that I heard were not audible, but you could 81 00:05:02,719 --> 00:05:05,430 almost tell that it was like a light whisper. 82 00:05:05,513 --> 00:05:07,348 You could tell it was human, but you just couldn't 83 00:05:07,473 --> 00:05:08,433 tell the words. 84 00:05:12,061 --> 00:05:13,813 These aren't voices in her head. 85 00:05:13,896 --> 00:05:16,899 She's hearing what she thinks might be the sound of people 86 00:05:16,983 --> 00:05:19,152 passing by outside in the street. 87 00:05:19,235 --> 00:05:20,570 Definitely the voices of the living. 88 00:05:21,571 --> 00:05:22,655 Or so it seems at first. 89 00:05:25,825 --> 00:05:29,245 There is a common phenomena from the spirit realm to hear 90 00:05:29,329 --> 00:05:34,042 sort of these inaudible, you know, whispering sounds 91 00:05:34,167 --> 00:05:37,628 because sometimes we're tapping into the frequency of 92 00:05:37,712 --> 00:05:38,671 the spirit realm. 93 00:06:55,915 --> 00:06:59,043 --- Jesus! - What's going on? 94 00:07:08,761 --> 00:07:11,764 The room was actually padded. It was just so creepy. 95 00:07:12,765 --> 00:07:15,143 You know, your mind goes in so many different directions 96 00:07:15,268 --> 00:07:17,437 because the basement is already creepy. 97 00:07:17,562 --> 00:07:21,274 So was the room used for something scary? 98 00:07:21,357 --> 00:07:25,236 I did some digging around the history of the area, 99 00:07:25,319 --> 00:07:29,031 and what I found interesting was there is a courthouse that 100 00:07:29,115 --> 00:07:31,701 was built over an old jail dungeon. 101 00:07:31,784 --> 00:07:34,454 Now, what's particularly interesting about this is that 102 00:07:34,579 --> 00:07:38,124 the inmates over the years had actually dug escape tunnels 103 00:07:38,249 --> 00:07:42,086 that led throughout the area and particularly close 104 00:07:42,170 --> 00:07:44,130 to Chris and McKenna's house. 105 00:07:44,213 --> 00:07:47,967 Could the padded room be an exit to the prison tunnel? 106 00:07:48,050 --> 00:07:51,220 All houses have their secrets, but few are as disturbing as 107 00:07:51,304 --> 00:07:53,264 finding a padded room down in the basement. 108 00:07:56,601 --> 00:07:58,686 I did try to tell myself that it was just maybe like 109 00:07:58,811 --> 00:08:01,314 a playroom, that it was something that, you know, 110 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:06,194 had nothing in a negative connotation, but the energy 111 00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:09,238 that came from that room told me otherwise. 112 00:08:09,322 --> 00:08:12,867 We ended up locking the door because it was just so creepy. 113 00:08:20,833 --> 00:08:23,503 I would walk throughout the house, and I would see 114 00:08:23,586 --> 00:08:27,298 darting black figures. They did seem like shadows. 115 00:08:27,381 --> 00:08:30,468 I couldn't distinguish what it was, but it would just jump in 116 00:08:30,551 --> 00:08:32,428 and out of-- it looked like the floor. 117 00:08:33,429 --> 00:08:36,557 And they would just be like, in the corner of your eye, 118 00:08:36,682 --> 00:08:38,351 moving around very quickly. 119 00:08:41,020 --> 00:08:43,189 My first thought, that it had to be our black cat, 120 00:08:43,314 --> 00:08:45,358 Maggie, because we did have two cats. 121 00:08:45,483 --> 00:08:47,568 I thought for sure maybe they were jumping off of 122 00:08:47,693 --> 00:08:51,072 the table, maybe they were jumping into another room, 123 00:08:51,197 --> 00:08:53,491 but the animals were never around me. 124 00:08:53,574 --> 00:08:56,786 And it made you think that you were going crazy. 125 00:08:56,869 --> 00:09:00,748 It can be a common phenomena for people who are dealing with 126 00:09:00,873 --> 00:09:04,377 spirits to see these little dark figures 127 00:09:04,460 --> 00:09:06,045 darting back and forth. 128 00:09:06,128 --> 00:09:09,048 I think it leads to a spirit that's trying to get someone's 129 00:09:09,131 --> 00:09:11,884 attention or trying to lead them to some specific place. 130 00:09:45,251 --> 00:09:48,296 I noticed this pebble that just like, hit the back of my leg. 131 00:09:49,297 --> 00:09:50,298 And I looked everywhere. 132 00:09:50,423 --> 00:09:52,592 I thought maybe Chris came down here. 133 00:09:52,675 --> 00:09:54,176 What is-- there's got to be something. 134 00:10:07,898 --> 00:10:10,776 It felt more like someone was actually trying to hit me, 135 00:10:10,901 --> 00:10:14,614 versus the pebble just randomly falling and hitting me. 136 00:10:16,032 --> 00:10:18,117 Whatever this was was trying to get my attention 137 00:10:18,242 --> 00:10:19,619 and to make me feel afraid. 138 00:10:39,472 --> 00:10:41,015 The hair was standing up on my arms. 139 00:10:43,726 --> 00:10:46,228 I saw this figure go by and then go around the corner. 140 00:10:49,607 --> 00:10:51,984 I wasn't about to wait to find out, and I got the hell 141 00:10:52,068 --> 00:10:53,569 out of there. 142 00:10:55,571 --> 00:10:57,365 When I got upstairs, I told Chris about it. 143 00:10:59,033 --> 00:11:01,160 We went back down there, but no one was there. 144 00:11:07,625 --> 00:11:10,294 McKenna finds herself surrounded by these pebbles. 145 00:11:11,295 --> 00:11:14,840 Now, paranormal investigators will tell you that marbles, 146 00:11:14,965 --> 00:11:18,177 small stones, pebbles, often appear out of thin air 147 00:11:18,260 --> 00:11:19,804 and will be thrown at people 148 00:11:19,887 --> 00:11:22,765 with no apparent cause or no apparent source. 149 00:11:22,848 --> 00:11:25,685 They're called apports, and sometimes they're warm to 150 00:11:25,768 --> 00:11:27,770 the touch when they're picked up. 151 00:11:27,853 --> 00:11:29,647 They're very common in poltergeist cases. 152 00:11:43,035 --> 00:11:45,621 Chris believed in the paranormal, and I didn't. 153 00:11:46,622 --> 00:11:49,250 And even though he warned me that his house was haunted, 154 00:11:49,333 --> 00:11:53,129 I got the feeling that he was so used to having paranormal 155 00:11:53,254 --> 00:11:55,923 experiences that it didn't really bother him. 156 00:11:56,006 --> 00:11:58,634 I mean, he hadn't even seen anything. 157 00:11:58,718 --> 00:11:59,719 It was just me. 158 00:12:01,095 --> 00:12:02,388 It felt like it was taunting me. 159 00:12:21,907 --> 00:12:25,619 It was just the feeling of dread, because I knew 160 00:12:25,703 --> 00:12:28,456 that I didn't recently wind that up 161 00:12:28,539 --> 00:12:31,375 and nothing could make it go off. 162 00:12:31,500 --> 00:12:33,502 But I could see it spinning. 163 00:12:33,627 --> 00:12:36,297 And it was just the creepiest feeling 164 00:12:36,380 --> 00:12:39,425 of watching it spin all by itself. 165 00:12:47,099 --> 00:12:49,560 Chris and McKenna have very different attitudes 166 00:12:49,685 --> 00:12:50,936 towards the paranormal. 167 00:12:51,020 --> 00:12:53,773 Chris is a believer and he accepts it without question. 168 00:12:53,856 --> 00:12:57,610 McKenna very much doesn't, although she's starting to. 169 00:12:57,693 --> 00:13:00,321 But I'm wondering if the fact that she's the target of 170 00:13:00,404 --> 00:13:01,864 so much of this activity 171 00:13:01,947 --> 00:13:03,741 indicates that she's being taught 172 00:13:03,866 --> 00:13:06,243 a lesson by something from the other side. 173 00:14:28,284 --> 00:14:30,786 Whatever was in this house was after me, 174 00:14:31,954 --> 00:14:33,080 and it wanted to hurt me. 175 00:14:34,415 --> 00:14:37,459 The energy was very much female, but whoever she was, 176 00:14:37,585 --> 00:14:38,586 she was gone. 177 00:14:40,754 --> 00:14:44,300 So at this point, because of what McKenna is feeling, 178 00:14:44,425 --> 00:14:45,593 it's a female energy. 179 00:14:45,676 --> 00:14:49,597 The question is, why is this woman, this female-presenting 180 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,976 energy here, and why is she targeting McKenna? 181 00:14:54,059 --> 00:14:55,853 I felt targeted and threatened, but I didn't 182 00:14:55,978 --> 00:14:58,480 know why. That was a really... 183 00:14:59,481 --> 00:15:03,193 sad moment for me because I felt like 184 00:15:03,319 --> 00:15:05,613 this was supposed to be a really happy move, 185 00:15:05,696 --> 00:15:07,323 this was supposed to be, 186 00:15:07,406 --> 00:15:10,409 you know, very exciting, and now I have this thing 187 00:15:10,492 --> 00:15:13,287 tormenting me in a place that should be very safe. 188 00:15:14,622 --> 00:15:18,500 I did think this is not for me, and I did mention it to Chris. 189 00:15:18,584 --> 00:15:21,003 I said, "You know, the house just seems 190 00:15:21,086 --> 00:15:22,087 so negative." 191 00:15:26,216 --> 00:15:29,803 We were fighting constantly in the home, I thought maybe this 192 00:15:29,887 --> 00:15:31,305 is just not gonna work. 193 00:15:37,436 --> 00:15:41,190 One very common finding in paranormal cases is this idea 194 00:15:41,273 --> 00:15:45,069 of strong emotion, especially anger, and anger is 195 00:15:45,194 --> 00:15:46,487 linked to fear. 196 00:15:46,570 --> 00:15:48,530 It's as if the situation heightens, 197 00:15:48,656 --> 00:15:51,367 and we enter this kind of spiral 198 00:15:51,450 --> 00:15:53,869 in which the anger and the fear and negativity feed off of 199 00:15:53,994 --> 00:15:56,664 one another and start to boil and bubble, 200 00:15:56,747 --> 00:15:58,999 reaching towards an explosion point. 201 00:15:59,083 --> 00:16:01,710 And I think that's what's happening in McKenna's case. 202 00:16:01,835 --> 00:16:05,172 She is in danger if this isn't somehow defused. 203 00:16:10,886 --> 00:16:12,513 One day, I decided to go for a nap. 204 00:16:15,099 --> 00:16:18,143 The bedroom was like my only oasis in the house that I felt 205 00:16:18,227 --> 00:16:19,269 like it was really mine. 206 00:16:49,299 --> 00:16:52,428 As I lay down to take a nap, I thought I felt something 207 00:16:52,553 --> 00:16:53,762 crawling into bed with me. 208 00:17:02,604 --> 00:17:05,232 Suddenly, I felt like there was something walking on my leg, 209 00:17:05,315 --> 00:17:06,692 almost like little cat paws. 210 00:17:10,237 --> 00:17:12,781 I was so freaked out, I didn't even want to look behind me. 211 00:18:14,051 --> 00:18:16,512 I told Chris about it. I could barely speak. 212 00:18:16,595 --> 00:18:18,305 I could barely breathe, it was-- 213 00:18:18,388 --> 00:18:21,308 it was like anxiety and panic and everything, all these 214 00:18:21,391 --> 00:18:25,062 emotions, you know, just exploding. 215 00:18:25,187 --> 00:18:28,357 And he goes, well, I've had that happen before. 216 00:18:28,482 --> 00:18:32,069 The two previous girlfriends that I had had similar 217 00:18:32,194 --> 00:18:35,030 experiences that you had, only they were at 218 00:18:35,155 --> 00:18:38,158 different locations. And I was like, "What?" 219 00:18:44,039 --> 00:18:47,751 One theory was that there was an entity named Lisa that 220 00:18:47,876 --> 00:18:51,505 attached herself to Chris years before we met. 221 00:18:51,588 --> 00:18:54,758 The reason everyone thought that Lisa was attached to Chris 222 00:18:54,883 --> 00:18:57,886 was they had done an investigation in this house. 223 00:18:58,011 --> 00:18:59,930 Lisa was murdered. 224 00:19:00,055 --> 00:19:04,393 The paranormal group that Chris had, did believe that they had 225 00:19:04,476 --> 00:19:05,811 caught a female spirit. 226 00:19:07,646 --> 00:19:10,399 Chris claimed that he could feel Lisa's energy go 227 00:19:10,524 --> 00:19:13,485 through him. - I love you, Chris. 228 00:19:20,826 --> 00:19:22,661 Christopher. 229 00:19:24,496 --> 00:19:27,708 It turns out that the problem hasn't been Chris's house 230 00:19:27,791 --> 00:19:29,793 or any buildings in the vicinity of it. 231 00:19:29,918 --> 00:19:32,254 The problem has been Chris all along. 232 00:19:32,337 --> 00:19:33,839 Something has latched onto him. 233 00:19:33,922 --> 00:19:36,466 Something that either is influencing him 234 00:19:36,592 --> 00:19:40,012 or is drawn to him, but is now reaching out to McKenna. 235 00:19:40,095 --> 00:19:42,931 There is a real danger when you're doing paranormal 236 00:19:43,056 --> 00:19:46,602 investigations where you're opening a doorway, a pathway of 237 00:19:46,727 --> 00:19:49,521 communication between us and the spirit realm, 238 00:19:49,605 --> 00:19:53,567 because you can have spirits that attach themselves to you. 239 00:19:56,278 --> 00:19:59,072 We decided to move, even though we knew there was 240 00:19:59,156 --> 00:20:02,659 a good chance that Lisa's spirit would follow us there too. 241 00:20:05,662 --> 00:20:07,748 Lisa did not follow us to the new house. 242 00:20:11,168 --> 00:20:14,046 I think one of the main reasons that Lisa didn't follow is 243 00:20:14,129 --> 00:20:15,130 I didn't give in. 244 00:20:19,176 --> 00:20:21,470 McKenna is the first woman in Chris's life 245 00:20:21,553 --> 00:20:24,139 that did not give up, that did not break up with him, 246 00:20:24,264 --> 00:20:25,515 did not leave. 247 00:20:25,641 --> 00:20:28,477 And for whatever reason, it seems that Lisa 248 00:20:28,602 --> 00:20:30,812 respected that, because when McKenna and Chris 249 00:20:30,896 --> 00:20:33,148 moved out, Lisa did not follow. 250 00:20:34,650 --> 00:20:36,485 I find it very interesting that... 251 00:20:37,736 --> 00:20:41,490 once McKenna finds out the identity of this spirit, 252 00:20:41,615 --> 00:20:43,659 that this spirit leaves her alone. 253 00:20:43,784 --> 00:20:46,245 Maybe this spirit just wanted to be heard 254 00:20:46,328 --> 00:20:48,163 or known or validated. 255 00:20:48,288 --> 00:20:52,000 When we moved, it was so perfect. 256 00:20:52,084 --> 00:20:55,128 We had finally gotten to a place in our relationship 257 00:20:55,212 --> 00:20:57,506 where it was just bliss. 258 00:21:00,425 --> 00:21:02,386 I get this call at work, and he tells me, 259 00:21:02,511 --> 00:21:05,931 gosh, you know, I can't really breathe. 260 00:21:06,014 --> 00:21:07,849 So he goes to the emergency room. 261 00:21:07,933 --> 00:21:09,351 They do the chest X-ray. 262 00:21:10,852 --> 00:21:13,981 He had a blood clot in his lung, bridging both lungs. 263 00:21:18,402 --> 00:21:19,653 And he died. 264 00:21:24,283 --> 00:21:27,786 So, you know, in that moment, my world shattered. 265 00:21:28,787 --> 00:21:31,665 And it's still absolutely shattered because of that. 266 00:21:31,748 --> 00:21:33,500 He was the love of my life. 267 00:22:03,113 --> 00:22:04,448 I grew up in Cleveland, Ohio, 268 00:22:05,907 --> 00:22:06,908 close to downtown. 269 00:22:08,493 --> 00:22:13,165 It was a Slavic village area. A lot of immigrants came there. 270 00:22:13,248 --> 00:22:14,541 That's where my parents came from. 271 00:22:16,543 --> 00:22:18,420 You know, it was a big deal for my dad to buy a home 272 00:22:18,503 --> 00:22:20,380 because it's a dream that everybody has. 273 00:22:20,505 --> 00:22:22,549 It's the American dream. That's why they came here. 274 00:22:24,718 --> 00:22:25,719 I got my own room. 275 00:22:26,928 --> 00:22:28,430 There was a backyard to play in. 276 00:22:30,849 --> 00:22:32,476 I was so happy when we moved in. 277 00:22:34,728 --> 00:22:35,771 But that didn't last. 278 00:22:47,657 --> 00:22:49,618 I always hated the basement in the house. 279 00:22:52,704 --> 00:22:54,414 It was like walking into a horror movie. 280 00:23:08,970 --> 00:23:11,556 Parents asked me to go downstairs and clean up, 281 00:23:11,681 --> 00:23:15,143 and there was a lot of stuff left behind by the family that 282 00:23:15,227 --> 00:23:16,228 was there before. 283 00:23:31,576 --> 00:23:33,453 I always heard weird noises down there. 284 00:23:38,166 --> 00:23:42,254 I didn't know if it was a normal sound from the house 285 00:23:42,337 --> 00:23:43,755 or something else. 286 00:24:02,482 --> 00:24:04,317 Erin Goodpipe, Karlo Zuzic, take one. 287 00:24:05,652 --> 00:24:08,071 Karlo's story really brings up an interesting question 288 00:24:08,155 --> 00:24:11,908 I have as an investigator, and how we address 289 00:24:11,992 --> 00:24:15,162 the spiritual aspect of moving into a new space, 290 00:24:15,287 --> 00:24:18,457 because there is oftentimes spirits that are connected 291 00:24:18,540 --> 00:24:21,585 or in relationship to these spaces. 292 00:24:21,668 --> 00:24:23,462 Tawney Lewis, Karlo Zuzic, take one. 293 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,259 My first impression of Karlo's case, it actually reminded me 294 00:24:29,342 --> 00:24:32,137 of common paranormal cases I have done. 295 00:24:32,262 --> 00:24:35,849 A lot of them start with someone being young and having 296 00:24:35,974 --> 00:24:38,268 memories of being terrified in their own house. 297 00:24:46,526 --> 00:24:48,612 One night, a loud noise woke me up. 298 00:25:36,993 --> 00:25:39,371 - What is it? - I don't know. 299 00:25:40,622 --> 00:25:43,375 We thought for sure somebody was breaking into this house. 300 00:25:46,962 --> 00:25:48,588 Careful, Darius. 301 00:25:48,713 --> 00:25:49,839 Please. 302 00:25:58,974 --> 00:26:01,017 Mom? Dad? 303 00:26:07,691 --> 00:26:08,900 It's OK, honey. 304 00:26:13,154 --> 00:26:14,656 There's nobody there. 305 00:26:14,739 --> 00:26:16,700 It scared the hell out of me. 306 00:26:23,707 --> 00:26:26,835 It's very understandable that Karlo's parents and Karlo 307 00:26:26,918 --> 00:26:29,588 himself would feel really frightened. 308 00:26:29,671 --> 00:26:32,924 What makes them so vulnerable is the fact that their house 309 00:26:33,008 --> 00:26:36,386 has these storm doors where people can just really come in 310 00:26:36,469 --> 00:26:38,263 really easily and intrude in their house. 311 00:26:41,725 --> 00:26:44,603 During that time in Cleveland, there were a lot of 312 00:26:44,686 --> 00:26:46,271 violent crimes happening. 313 00:26:46,354 --> 00:26:49,024 There were also two halfway houses, not that far, 314 00:26:49,107 --> 00:26:52,360 about four miles away from where he lived, so there was 315 00:26:52,444 --> 00:26:54,487 a chance that someone could have been trying to break in. 316 00:27:05,999 --> 00:27:08,793 For about six months, nothing happened. 317 00:27:08,877 --> 00:27:09,919 I almost forgot about it. 318 00:28:02,097 --> 00:28:06,518 It was a male's voice that I heard in, like, a really deep, 319 00:28:06,601 --> 00:28:07,852 grunty sound. 320 00:28:07,936 --> 00:28:10,021 You know, I was just, I was scared. 321 00:28:10,105 --> 00:28:11,106 I was very scared. 322 00:28:15,568 --> 00:28:18,446 Whatever is causing this sound actually wants to be heard, 323 00:28:18,571 --> 00:28:21,825 because no intruder or stalker is going to go around with 324 00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:25,328 heavy boots making loud sounds purposefully. 325 00:28:25,453 --> 00:28:28,415 So I'm now thinking that this is paranormal. 326 00:28:33,962 --> 00:28:36,339 My father would go to work every morning around 6 o'clock, 327 00:28:39,467 --> 00:28:40,552 and my mom was sleeping. 328 00:29:30,643 --> 00:29:33,605 I saw this person go right down into the basement. 329 00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:39,944 In my research, down the road from where Karlo lives, 330 00:29:40,945 --> 00:29:42,906 there was a family back in the 1880s 331 00:29:43,031 --> 00:29:45,867 called the Tiedemanns-- they had four children, 332 00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:48,828 but all of them died very young and tragically. 333 00:29:49,829 --> 00:29:53,541 You know, this is a highly traumatic experience for him. 334 00:29:53,666 --> 00:29:56,878 With so much trauma and tragedy happening in that home, 335 00:29:56,961 --> 00:29:59,214 perhaps the grief-stricken parents are stuck in this 336 00:29:59,297 --> 00:30:02,550 realm, either looking for their children or stuck here 337 00:30:02,634 --> 00:30:03,635 because of their trauma. 338 00:30:05,929 --> 00:30:09,057 Could this be responsible for what is haunting Karlo? 339 00:30:41,798 --> 00:30:44,259 Something between the steps reached out 340 00:30:44,384 --> 00:30:45,385 and grabbed my ankle. 341 00:30:46,761 --> 00:30:47,887 I didn't see anybody there. 342 00:31:06,281 --> 00:31:07,824 And I was just like, freaked out. 343 00:31:07,949 --> 00:31:09,576 I didn't know what the hell that was. 344 00:31:15,331 --> 00:31:17,625 You know, I tried telling my parents about this, 345 00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:20,003 and, you know, I told them somebody grabbed my leg, 346 00:31:20,128 --> 00:31:21,045 and they wouldn't believe me. 347 00:31:21,129 --> 00:31:23,089 They told me it was my imagination. 348 00:31:23,172 --> 00:31:25,341 They kind of brushed it off. 349 00:31:25,466 --> 00:31:29,137 You know, so I was kind of left standing there alone trying to 350 00:31:29,220 --> 00:31:30,513 figure out what just happened to me. 351 00:31:33,266 --> 00:31:34,642 I had nobody to talk to. 352 00:31:34,767 --> 00:31:35,810 You know, nobody would listen to me. 353 00:31:35,935 --> 00:31:38,021 I would never tell my friends what I was experiencing. 354 00:31:38,146 --> 00:31:39,147 They'd think I'm crazy. 355 00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:44,485 What's going on with Karlo at this age is beyond traumatic, 356 00:31:44,569 --> 00:31:46,362 and I'm sure it's going to stay with him for the rest 357 00:31:46,487 --> 00:31:47,697 of his life. 358 00:31:47,822 --> 00:31:50,199 And he's dealing with all this alone, by himself, 359 00:31:50,325 --> 00:31:52,160 and no one believes him. 360 00:31:52,243 --> 00:31:55,330 So it's unfortunate that this is happening to him and why 361 00:31:55,455 --> 00:31:58,583 the spirit, why the entity, or entities feel that 362 00:31:58,666 --> 00:32:03,004 they have to try to gain power over this child to show 363 00:32:03,129 --> 00:32:04,714 themselves, to prove that they exist. 364 00:32:08,051 --> 00:32:10,219 You know, it took an effect on my young life. 365 00:32:11,846 --> 00:32:13,222 A home's supposed to be a safe haven, 366 00:32:13,348 --> 00:32:15,975 and here I'm being attacked, you know, 367 00:32:16,059 --> 00:32:18,853 by this thing that I don't even know what it is. 368 00:32:18,978 --> 00:32:21,147 So even when I would go over to my friend's house, I would stay 369 00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:22,815 at my friend's house over the weekend 370 00:32:22,899 --> 00:32:24,609 just because I didn't want to be in this house because I was 371 00:32:24,692 --> 00:32:26,069 scared something might happen to me. 372 00:32:49,592 --> 00:32:50,802 I had a TV in my room. 373 00:32:51,886 --> 00:32:53,680 It helped me get my mind off of things. 374 00:33:09,445 --> 00:33:10,822 No! 375 00:33:14,409 --> 00:33:16,661 Karlo? Are you OK? 376 00:33:18,705 --> 00:33:19,706 What's wrong, honey? 377 00:33:22,542 --> 00:33:25,461 There's nothing there. Come on. 378 00:33:25,545 --> 00:33:29,007 - But I saw something. - There's nothing there. 379 00:33:31,592 --> 00:33:32,844 And again, she brushed it off. 380 00:33:32,927 --> 00:33:34,554 She told me it was my imagination. 381 00:33:35,972 --> 00:33:37,473 Then I started believing that. 382 00:33:37,557 --> 00:33:38,808 OK. 383 00:33:43,688 --> 00:33:45,189 Things were getting worse and worse. 384 00:33:46,691 --> 00:33:50,361 You know, you're starting to see this person in your room. 385 00:33:50,486 --> 00:33:53,031 You know, it's a frightening experience. 386 00:33:53,114 --> 00:33:54,574 You're always told about the boogeyman, 387 00:33:54,699 --> 00:33:58,036 and that's probably what I was thinking, what it was. 388 00:33:58,161 --> 00:34:00,079 You hear about these monsters and stuff. 389 00:34:00,204 --> 00:34:03,207 It was very disturbing to see something like this. 390 00:34:03,332 --> 00:34:05,668 It was very traumatizing in reality. 391 00:34:41,454 --> 00:34:45,291 I felt something push me in the back. 392 00:34:45,416 --> 00:34:46,959 I flew. 393 00:34:47,085 --> 00:34:51,589 My feet actually left the ground as I flew forward. 394 00:34:51,714 --> 00:34:53,424 I actually put a dent in the oven with my head. 395 00:34:56,803 --> 00:34:58,888 I knew in this house, there was only three of us. 396 00:34:58,971 --> 00:35:01,307 It was my dad, my mom, and myself. 397 00:35:01,432 --> 00:35:02,892 There was nobody else in this house, 398 00:35:02,975 --> 00:35:04,268 and I knew where they were. 399 00:35:04,393 --> 00:35:05,686 They were in the living room watching TV. 400 00:35:05,770 --> 00:35:06,771 Are you OK? 401 00:35:15,613 --> 00:35:17,615 He's not there anymore. 402 00:35:17,698 --> 00:35:19,784 I swear someone pushed me. 403 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,082 This thing had it out for me. 404 00:35:26,165 --> 00:35:28,793 I felt like I was building up to something really terrible. 405 00:35:32,839 --> 00:35:36,342 Karlo does go to his parents and lets them know about 406 00:35:36,467 --> 00:35:38,803 what's going on, and essentially they don't 407 00:35:38,886 --> 00:35:40,930 believe him-- and, you know, that can be 408 00:35:41,013 --> 00:35:43,975 traumatic in and of itself when you have people invalidate 409 00:35:44,058 --> 00:35:47,270 the experiences that you're having. 410 00:35:48,229 --> 00:35:50,481 So now this can create an internal situation where 411 00:35:50,565 --> 00:35:54,735 you have self-doubt, where your confidence is lacking, 412 00:35:54,819 --> 00:35:58,447 and ultimately a spirit that is trying to target you in 413 00:35:58,531 --> 00:36:02,076 a malicious way wants you to be in this weak state. 414 00:36:07,957 --> 00:36:09,876 Our father, who art in heaven, 415 00:36:10,001 --> 00:36:12,003 hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come... 416 00:36:12,086 --> 00:36:15,173 When I did start to pray, always pray in the evenings. 417 00:36:15,298 --> 00:36:18,968 You know, I asked the Lord to protect me, to watch over me. 418 00:36:19,051 --> 00:36:23,347 So I did pray for him to just-- hopefully he would move on 419 00:36:23,431 --> 00:36:25,516 and not bother me anymore. 420 00:36:39,447 --> 00:36:41,532 Now, this is a scary part here for me. 421 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,106 God can't help you. 422 00:37:15,233 --> 00:37:18,486 I heard this voice come up to my ear and started 423 00:37:18,569 --> 00:37:19,820 saying something. 424 00:37:19,904 --> 00:37:21,072 I couldn't understand what it was. 425 00:37:25,117 --> 00:37:27,536 And it was, like, mumbling. 426 00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:31,082 And I'm just freaked out. I didn't know what to do. 427 00:37:31,207 --> 00:37:33,960 I felt paralyzed because-- you couldn't even move. 428 00:37:35,086 --> 00:37:37,046 And I started to pray. 429 00:37:37,129 --> 00:37:38,464 God can't help you. 430 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,310 And then I felt this burn on my leg. 431 00:37:52,311 --> 00:37:54,772 I could see three scratch marks going down my leg, 432 00:37:54,855 --> 00:37:57,233 and it burned. I was just terrified. 433 00:38:00,611 --> 00:38:03,614 After it released, I was screaming on top of my lungs. 434 00:38:03,698 --> 00:38:06,617 My parents came running in there, and I told them. 435 00:38:06,742 --> 00:38:09,495 And I think that moment when they seen the scratch marks 436 00:38:09,620 --> 00:38:13,416 and stuff, I think they started to believe me that something 437 00:38:13,499 --> 00:38:15,001 was happening to me. 438 00:38:15,126 --> 00:38:17,962 This spirit is trying anything to prevent Karlo from 439 00:38:18,045 --> 00:38:19,422 protecting himself. 440 00:38:19,505 --> 00:38:22,091 So that is why he told him, "God won't save you." 441 00:38:42,361 --> 00:38:45,573 So a few days later, I had a friend over 442 00:38:45,698 --> 00:38:47,158 and we were playing a video game. 443 00:38:53,205 --> 00:38:55,666 You know the guy that used to live here? 444 00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:57,877 He killed himself in the basement. 445 00:39:08,971 --> 00:39:10,181 At first, I didn't believe him. 446 00:39:10,264 --> 00:39:11,974 I'm like, "Are you just kidding with me and stuff?" 447 00:39:12,099 --> 00:39:14,018 So later on that day, we went to his house, 448 00:39:15,186 --> 00:39:17,229 and I seen his dad, and I was like, you know, 449 00:39:17,313 --> 00:39:19,982 "Is this true that a gentleman did hang himself?" 450 00:39:20,107 --> 00:39:21,442 He's like, "Yeah, he did. 451 00:39:21,567 --> 00:39:22,985 He hung himself down in the basement." 452 00:39:26,572 --> 00:39:29,283 He said the guy was abusive. 453 00:39:30,409 --> 00:39:33,537 He was not a nice guy. He was a drunk. 454 00:39:34,955 --> 00:39:36,499 He just didn't like people. 455 00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:40,211 And I think he just fell into depression and decided to 456 00:39:40,294 --> 00:39:41,462 take his life. 457 00:39:41,545 --> 00:39:43,631 And went downstairs and hung himself, 458 00:39:43,714 --> 00:39:45,758 and from what I understand, he was down there for a few 459 00:39:45,841 --> 00:39:47,718 days until somebody actually found him. 460 00:40:00,147 --> 00:40:04,902 We have a lot of issues, basically a negative existence, 461 00:40:04,985 --> 00:40:07,988 and so that would explain, in the afterlife, he's still 462 00:40:08,114 --> 00:40:10,157 having the same issues. 463 00:40:10,282 --> 00:40:12,618 This spirit is so angry and vengeful. 464 00:40:12,701 --> 00:40:15,413 This person's passing was traumatic. 465 00:40:15,496 --> 00:40:17,373 This is something that he inflicted upon himself. 466 00:40:18,374 --> 00:40:21,335 And now they are in his house, and he's seeking revenge. 467 00:40:25,005 --> 00:40:27,049 When I started actually cleaning the basement is when 468 00:40:27,174 --> 00:40:28,384 things started happening. 469 00:40:35,307 --> 00:40:38,686 And, you know, you start moving things around, they get angry, 470 00:40:38,769 --> 00:40:41,522 and then I'm an easy target, so they went after me. 471 00:40:46,235 --> 00:40:47,736 This all makes a lot of sense now. 472 00:40:47,862 --> 00:40:51,866 This person who used to live there, who killed themselves in 473 00:40:51,991 --> 00:40:54,994 the basement, is upset that their stuff is being thrown out 474 00:40:55,077 --> 00:40:58,164 and are trying to enact revenge on the person who did that, 475 00:40:58,247 --> 00:40:59,957 who happens to be young Karlo. 476 00:41:02,168 --> 00:41:05,004 As I got older, it started to realize I was getting stronger 477 00:41:05,087 --> 00:41:06,046 as a kid. 478 00:41:06,172 --> 00:41:09,175 I would still hear things, you know. 479 00:41:09,258 --> 00:41:12,470 You could still hear footsteps once in a while, but it never 480 00:41:12,553 --> 00:41:15,890 really came back to me to, you know, 481 00:41:15,973 --> 00:41:16,974 to hurt me. 482 00:41:19,143 --> 00:41:21,729 But I believe it had an eye out for me the whole time. 483 00:41:24,356 --> 00:41:28,194 Karlo now knows who this spirit is and who 484 00:41:28,277 --> 00:41:30,029 their identity is, what their life was like, 485 00:41:30,112 --> 00:41:34,575 and so knowledge really equips people to fight against fear. 486 00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:38,037 This spirit was so distraught, even in death, and he was 487 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,208 taking this all out on young Karlo, and hopefully the spirit 488 00:41:42,291 --> 00:41:43,292 can find some peace. 489 00:41:48,130 --> 00:41:51,717 Being a child and experiencing stuff, I had nobody to talk to. 490 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,428 Now, today, I'm that person. 491 00:41:54,512 --> 00:41:57,389 I want people to reach out to me. 492 00:41:57,473 --> 00:41:59,600 So I would never turn my back on somebody. 493 00:41:59,725 --> 00:42:01,519 I'm there to help others now. 494 00:42:01,602 --> 00:42:04,021 And I wish I had that when I was a child. 40030

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