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After about six months of
dating, we decided to move in
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together and that was when
everything changed.
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I was so happy
when we moved in.
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But that didn't last.
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McKenna is a non-believer,
at least at first.
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All houses have their secrets,
but few are as disturbing as
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finding a padded room down
in the basement.
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A home's supposed to be
a safe haven.
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The house just seemed
so negative.
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Now this is-- this is
a scary part here for me.
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What's going on with Karlo at
this age is beyond traumatic,
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and I'm sure it's gonna stay
with him for the rest
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of his life.
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It felt like
it was taunting me.
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God can't help you.
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This thing had it out
for me.
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In that moment,
my world shattered.
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I grew up
in Findlay, Ohio,
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and it was
a very rural area,
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so everybody knew everybody
in the town,
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and I went
to a university there.
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That's when I auditioned
and got a part in a low-budget
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horror short film.
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The cameraman on the film
was Chris.
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We had a 22-year age
difference, so it was pretty
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shocking for a lot of people,
but we were just--
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we meshed really well.
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His personality was
just incredible.
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Chris believed
in the paranormal.
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He was a paranormal
investigator.
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That was one of the very first
things he told me.
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I thought it was ridiculous.
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After about six months of
dating, we decided to move
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in together.
It was his apartment.
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And something dark
and terrifying wreaked
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its revenge on me.
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Richard Estep,
McKenna Essman, take one.
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For McKenna and Chris,
their story begins
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very happily.
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It was only after
they moved in together
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that it began to take on
much darker
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and more
sinister overtones.
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Erin Goodpipe,
McKenna Essman, take one.
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What really fascinated me
about this case is the fact
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that McKenna is a non-believer,
at least at first.
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Chris lived
an hour away in Fremont,
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which was a much
bigger city than Findlay.
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He was renting an old house
with a lot of character.
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Moving in with Chris
was a major move.
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I was very scared, and not being
with my parents anymore.
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I didn't like the house
at first.
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I thought it looked run-down.
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I was used to a relatively
nice house.
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The cars were different,
the streets were different.
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It was just more of
a rundown area.
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So, the house to me
seemed creepy.
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He kind of jokingly said,
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"My house is haunted."
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Christopher...
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I spent a lot of time
in the home alone
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because he was working
all day,
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I was in college.
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And that was when
everything changed.
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I started to notice little
noises here and there.
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And, you know, it scared me.
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It made me feel on edge.
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Are you trying to embarrass me?
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I did start hearing
the whisperings, almost like
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conversations going on
around me.
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I always loved him.
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One of the most logical things
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that I thought of
was either,
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A, it was neighbors outside,
because we actually had
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a little sidewalk that ran in
between the two houses.
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And again, the houses were
really close.
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So I thought someone probably
just walked on that sidewalk.
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I was in another room,
and I would hear the noises in
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another room,
and so I always thought,
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you know, I just heard
something wrong.
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The voices that I heard were
not audible, but you could
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almost tell that it was like
a light whisper.
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You could tell it was human,
but you just couldn't
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tell the words.
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These aren't voices
in her head.
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She's hearing what she thinks
might be the sound of people
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passing by outside
in the street.
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Definitely the voices
of the living.
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Or so it seems at first.
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There is a common phenomena
from the spirit realm to hear
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sort of these inaudible,
you know, whispering sounds
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because sometimes we're tapping
into the frequency of
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the spirit realm.
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--- Jesus!
- What's going on?
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The room was actually padded.
It was just so creepy.
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You know, your mind goes in so
many different directions
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because the basement is
already creepy.
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So was the room used for
something scary?
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I did some digging around
the history of the area,
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and what I found interesting
was there is a courthouse that
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was built over
an old jail dungeon.
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Now, what's particularly
interesting about this is that
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the inmates over the years had
actually dug escape tunnels
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that led throughout the area
and particularly close
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to Chris and McKenna's house.
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Could the padded room be
an exit to the prison tunnel?
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All houses have their secrets,
but few are as disturbing as
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finding a padded room down
in the basement.
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I did try to tell myself that
it was just maybe like
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a playroom, that it was
something that, you know,
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had nothing in a negative
connotation, but the energy
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that came from that room
told me otherwise.
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We ended up locking the door
because it was just so creepy.
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I would walk throughout
the house, and I would see
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darting black figures.
They did seem like shadows.
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I couldn't distinguish what it
was, but it would just jump in
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and out of--
it looked like the floor.
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And they would just be like,
in the corner of your eye,
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moving around very quickly.
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My first thought, that it had to
be our black cat,
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Maggie, because we did have
two cats.
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I thought for sure
maybe they were jumping off of
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the table, maybe they were
jumping into another room,
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but the animals
were never around me.
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And it made you think that
you were going crazy.
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It can be a common phenomena
for people who are dealing with
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spirits to see these little
dark figures
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darting back and forth.
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I think it leads to a spirit
that's trying to get someone's
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attention or trying to lead
them to some specific place.
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I noticed this pebble that just
like, hit the back of my leg.
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And I looked everywhere.
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I thought maybe Chris came
down here.
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What is--
there's got to be something.
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It felt more like someone was
actually trying to hit me,
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versus the pebble just randomly
falling and hitting me.
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Whatever this was was trying to
get my attention
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and to make me
feel afraid.
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The hair
was standing up on my arms.
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I saw this figure go by
and then go around the corner.
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I wasn't about to wait to find
out, and I got the hell
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out of there.
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When I got upstairs,
I told Chris about it.
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We went back down there,
but no one was there.
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McKenna finds herself
surrounded by these pebbles.
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Now, paranormal investigators
will tell you that marbles,
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small stones, pebbles,
often appear out of thin air
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and will be thrown at people
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with no apparent cause
or no apparent source.
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They're called apports,
and sometimes they're warm to
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the touch when they're
picked up.
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They're very common in
poltergeist cases.
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Chris believed in
the paranormal, and I didn't.
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And even though he warned me
that his house was haunted,
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I got the feeling that he was
so used to having paranormal
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experiences that it didn't
really bother him.
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I mean, he hadn't even
seen anything.
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It was just me.
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It felt like it was
taunting me.
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It was just the feeling of
dread, because I knew
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that I didn't recently
wind that up
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and nothing
could make it go off.
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But I could see it spinning.
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And it was just
the creepiest feeling
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of watching it spin
all by itself.
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Chris and McKenna have very
different attitudes
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towards the paranormal.
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Chris is a believer and he
accepts it without question.
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McKenna very much doesn't,
although she's starting to.
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But I'm wondering if the fact
that she's the target of
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so much of this activity
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indicates that
she's being taught
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a lesson by something from
the other side.
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Whatever was in this house
was after me,
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and it wanted to hurt me.
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The energy was very much
female, but whoever she was,
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she was gone.
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So at this point, because of
what McKenna is feeling,
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it's a female energy.
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The question is, why is this
woman, this female-presenting
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energy here, and why is
she targeting McKenna?
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I felt targeted
and threatened, but I didn't
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know why.
That was a really...
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sad moment for me
because I felt like
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this was supposed to
be a really happy move,
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this was supposed to be,
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you know, very exciting,
and now I have this thing
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tormenting me in a place that
should be very safe.
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I did think this is not for me,
and I did mention it to Chris.
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I said, "You know,
the house just seems
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so negative."
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We were fighting constantly in
the home, I thought maybe this
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is just not gonna work.
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One very common finding in
paranormal cases is this idea
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of strong emotion,
especially anger, and anger is
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linked to fear.
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It's as if the situation
heightens,
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and we enter
this kind of spiral
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in which the anger and the fear
and negativity feed off of
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one another and start to
boil and bubble,
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reaching towards
an explosion point.
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And I think that's what's
happening in McKenna's case.
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She is in danger if this
isn't somehow defused.
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One day,
I decided to go for a nap.
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The bedroom was like my only
oasis in the house that I felt
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like it was really mine.
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As I lay down to take a nap,
I thought I felt something
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crawling into bed with me.
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Suddenly, I felt like there was
something walking on my leg,
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almost like little cat paws.
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I was so freaked out, I didn't
even want to look behind me.
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I told Chris about it.
I could barely speak.
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I could barely breathe,
it was--
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it was like anxiety and panic
and everything, all these
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emotions, you know,
just exploding.
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And he goes, well, I've had
that happen before.
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The two previous girlfriends
that I had had similar
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experiences that you had,
only they were at
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different locations.
And I was like, "What?"
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One theory was that there was
an entity named Lisa that
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attached herself to Chris years
before we met.
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The reason everyone thought
that Lisa was attached to Chris
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was they had done
an investigation in this house.
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Lisa was murdered.
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The paranormal group that Chris
had, did believe that they had
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caught a female spirit.
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Chris claimed that he could
feel Lisa's energy go
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through him.
- I love you,
Chris.
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Christopher.
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It turns out that the problem
hasn't been Chris's house
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or any buildings in
the vicinity of it.
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The problem has been Chris
all along.
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Something has latched onto him.
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Something that either is
influencing him
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or is drawn to him, but is now
reaching out to McKenna.
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There is a real danger when
you're doing paranormal
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investigations where you're
opening a doorway, a pathway of
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communication between us
and the spirit realm,
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because you can have spirits
that attach themselves to you.
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We decided to move,
even though we knew there was
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a good chance that Lisa's spirit
would follow us there too.
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Lisa did not follow us to
the new house.
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I think one of the main reasons
that Lisa didn't follow is
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I didn't give in.
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McKenna is the first woman
in Chris's life
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that did not give up,
that did not break up with him,
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did not leave.
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And for whatever reason,
it seems that Lisa
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respected that,
because when McKenna and Chris
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moved out,
Lisa did not follow.
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I find it very
interesting that...
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once McKenna finds out
the identity of this spirit,
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that this spirit
leaves her alone.
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Maybe this spirit just wanted
to be heard
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or known or validated.
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When we moved,
it was so perfect.
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We had finally gotten to
a place in our relationship
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where it was just bliss.
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I get this call at work,
and he tells me,
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gosh, you know,
I can't really breathe.
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So he goes to
the emergency room.
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They do the chest X-ray.
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He had a blood clot in
his lung, bridging both lungs.
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And he died.
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So, you know, in that moment,
my world shattered.
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And it's still absolutely
shattered because of that.
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He was the love of my life.
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I grew up
in Cleveland, Ohio,
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close to downtown.
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It was a Slavic village area.
A lot of immigrants came there.
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That's where my parents
came from.
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You know, it was a big deal for
my dad to buy a home
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because it's a dream that
everybody has.
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It's the American dream.
That's why they came here.
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I got my own room.
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There was a backyard to
play in.
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I was so happy when
we moved in.
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But that didn't last.
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I always hated the basement
in the house.
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It was like walking into
a horror movie.
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Parents asked me to go
downstairs and clean up,
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and there was a lot of stuff
left behind by the family that
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was there before.
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I always heard weird noises
down there.
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I didn't know if it was
a normal sound from the house
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or something else.
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Erin Goodpipe,
Karlo Zuzic, take one.
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00:24:05,652 --> 00:24:08,071
Karlo's story really brings up
an interesting question
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I have as an investigator,
and how we address
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the spiritual aspect of
moving into a new space,
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because there is oftentimes
spirits that are connected
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or in relationship to
these spaces.
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Tawney Lewis, Karlo Zuzic,
take one.
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My first impression of Karlo's
case, it actually reminded me
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of common paranormal cases
I have done.
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A lot of them start with
someone being young and having
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memories of being terrified in
their own house.
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One night, a loud noise
woke me up.
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- What is it?
- I don't know.
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We thought for sure somebody was
breaking into this house.
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Careful, Darius.
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Please.
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Mom? Dad?
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It's OK, honey.
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There's nobody there.
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It scared the hell out of me.
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It's very understandable that
Karlo's parents and Karlo
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himself would feel
really frightened.
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What makes them so vulnerable
is the fact that their house
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has these storm doors where
people can just really come in
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really easily and intrude
in their house.
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During that time in Cleveland,
there were a lot of
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violent crimes happening.
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There were also two halfway
houses, not that far,
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about four miles away from
where he lived, so there was
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00:26:52,444 --> 00:26:54,487
a chance that someone could
have been trying to break in.
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For about six months,
nothing happened.
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I almost forgot about it.
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It was a male's voice that I
heard in, like, a really deep,
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grunty sound.
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You know, I was just,
I was scared.
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I was very scared.
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Whatever is causing this sound
actually wants to be heard,
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because no intruder or stalker
is going to go around with
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heavy boots making loud sounds
purposefully.
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00:28:25,453 --> 00:28:28,415
So I'm now thinking that this
is paranormal.
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00:28:33,962 --> 00:28:36,339
My father would go to work
every morning around 6 o'clock,
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and my mom was sleeping.
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00:29:30,643 --> 00:29:33,605
I saw this person go right down
into the basement.
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00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:39,944
In my research, down the road
from where Karlo lives,
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there was a family back in
the 1880s
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called the Tiedemanns--
they had four children,
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00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:48,828
but all of them died very young
and tragically.
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00:29:49,829 --> 00:29:53,541
You know, this is a highly
traumatic experience for him.
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With so much trauma and tragedy
happening in that home,
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00:29:56,961 --> 00:29:59,214
perhaps the grief-stricken
parents are stuck in this
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00:29:59,297 --> 00:30:02,550
realm, either looking for
their children or stuck here
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00:30:02,634 --> 00:30:03,635
because of their trauma.
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00:30:05,929 --> 00:30:09,057
Could this be responsible for
what is haunting Karlo?
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00:30:41,798 --> 00:30:44,259
Something between
the steps reached out
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00:30:44,384 --> 00:30:45,385
and grabbed
my ankle.
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00:30:46,761 --> 00:30:47,887
I didn't see anybody there.
342
00:31:06,281 --> 00:31:07,824
And I was just like,
freaked out.
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00:31:07,949 --> 00:31:09,576
I didn't know what the hell
that was.
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00:31:15,331 --> 00:31:17,625
You know, I tried telling
my parents about this,
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00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:20,003
and, you know, I told them
somebody grabbed my leg,
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00:31:20,128 --> 00:31:21,045
and they wouldn't believe me.
347
00:31:21,129 --> 00:31:23,089
They told me it was
my imagination.
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00:31:23,172 --> 00:31:25,341
They kind of brushed it off.
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00:31:25,466 --> 00:31:29,137
You know, so I was kind of left
standing there alone trying to
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00:31:29,220 --> 00:31:30,513
figure out what just
happened to me.
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I had nobody to talk to.
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00:31:34,767 --> 00:31:35,810
You know,
nobody would listen to me.
353
00:31:35,935 --> 00:31:38,021
I would never tell my friends
what I was experiencing.
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00:31:38,146 --> 00:31:39,147
They'd think I'm crazy.
355
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:44,485
What's going on with Karlo at
this age is beyond traumatic,
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00:31:44,569 --> 00:31:46,362
and I'm sure it's going to stay
with him for the rest
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00:31:46,487 --> 00:31:47,697
of his life.
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00:31:47,822 --> 00:31:50,199
And he's dealing with all this
alone, by himself,
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00:31:50,325 --> 00:31:52,160
and no one
believes him.
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00:31:52,243 --> 00:31:55,330
So it's unfortunate that this
is happening to him and why
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00:31:55,455 --> 00:31:58,583
the spirit, why the entity,
or entities feel that
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00:31:58,666 --> 00:32:03,004
they have to try to gain power
over this child to show
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00:32:03,129 --> 00:32:04,714
themselves, to prove
that they exist.
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00:32:08,051 --> 00:32:10,219
You know, it took
an effect on my young life.
365
00:32:11,846 --> 00:32:13,222
A home's supposed to be
a safe haven,
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00:32:13,348 --> 00:32:15,975
and here I'm being
attacked, you know,
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00:32:16,059 --> 00:32:18,853
by this thing that
I don't even know what it is.
368
00:32:18,978 --> 00:32:21,147
So even when I would go over to
my friend's house, I would stay
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00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:22,815
at my friend's house over
the weekend
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00:32:22,899 --> 00:32:24,609
just because I didn't want to be
in this house because I was
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00:32:24,692 --> 00:32:26,069
scared something
might happen to me.
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00:32:49,592 --> 00:32:50,802
I had a TV in my room.
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It helped me get my mind off
of things.
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00:33:09,445 --> 00:33:10,822
No!
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00:33:14,409 --> 00:33:16,661
Karlo?
Are you OK?
376
00:33:18,705 --> 00:33:19,706
What's wrong, honey?
377
00:33:22,542 --> 00:33:25,461
There's nothing there.
Come on.
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00:33:25,545 --> 00:33:29,007
- But I saw something.
- There's nothing there.
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00:33:31,592 --> 00:33:32,844
And again, she brushed it off.
380
00:33:32,927 --> 00:33:34,554
She told me it was
my imagination.
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00:33:35,972 --> 00:33:37,473
Then I started believing that.
382
00:33:37,557 --> 00:33:38,808
OK.
383
00:33:43,688 --> 00:33:45,189
Things were getting
worse and worse.
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00:33:46,691 --> 00:33:50,361
You know, you're starting to see
this person in your room.
385
00:33:50,486 --> 00:33:53,031
You know,
it's a frightening experience.
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00:33:53,114 --> 00:33:54,574
You're always told
about the boogeyman,
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00:33:54,699 --> 00:33:58,036
and that's probably what I was
thinking, what it was.
388
00:33:58,161 --> 00:34:00,079
You hear about these
monsters and stuff.
389
00:34:00,204 --> 00:34:03,207
It was very disturbing to see
something like this.
390
00:34:03,332 --> 00:34:05,668
It was very traumatizing
in reality.
391
00:34:41,454 --> 00:34:45,291
I felt something push me
in the back.
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00:34:45,416 --> 00:34:46,959
I flew.
393
00:34:47,085 --> 00:34:51,589
My feet actually left
the ground as I flew forward.
394
00:34:51,714 --> 00:34:53,424
I actually put a dent in
the oven with my head.
395
00:34:56,803 --> 00:34:58,888
I knew in this house, there was
only three of us.
396
00:34:58,971 --> 00:35:01,307
It was my dad,
my mom, and myself.
397
00:35:01,432 --> 00:35:02,892
There was nobody else
in this house,
398
00:35:02,975 --> 00:35:04,268
and I knew
where they were.
399
00:35:04,393 --> 00:35:05,686
They were in the living room
watching TV.
400
00:35:05,770 --> 00:35:06,771
Are you OK?
401
00:35:15,613 --> 00:35:17,615
He's not there anymore.
402
00:35:17,698 --> 00:35:19,784
I swear someone pushed me.
403
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,082
This thing had it out for me.
404
00:35:26,165 --> 00:35:28,793
I felt like I was building up
to something really terrible.
405
00:35:32,839 --> 00:35:36,342
Karlo does go to his parents
and lets them know about
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00:35:36,467 --> 00:35:38,803
what's going on,
and essentially they don't
407
00:35:38,886 --> 00:35:40,930
believe him--
and, you know, that can be
408
00:35:41,013 --> 00:35:43,975
traumatic in and of itself when
you have people invalidate
409
00:35:44,058 --> 00:35:47,270
the experiences that
you're having.
410
00:35:48,229 --> 00:35:50,481
So now this can create
an internal situation where
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00:35:50,565 --> 00:35:54,735
you have self-doubt, where your
confidence is lacking,
412
00:35:54,819 --> 00:35:58,447
and ultimately a spirit that is
trying to target you in
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00:35:58,531 --> 00:36:02,076
a malicious way wants you to be
in this weak state.
414
00:36:07,957 --> 00:36:09,876
Our father, who art in heaven,
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00:36:10,001 --> 00:36:12,003
hallowed be thy name,
thy kingdom come...
416
00:36:12,086 --> 00:36:15,173
When I did start to pray,
always pray in the evenings.
417
00:36:15,298 --> 00:36:18,968
You know, I asked the Lord to
protect me, to watch over me.
418
00:36:19,051 --> 00:36:23,347
So I did pray for him to just--
hopefully he would move on
419
00:36:23,431 --> 00:36:25,516
and not bother me anymore.
420
00:36:39,447 --> 00:36:41,532
Now, this is a scary part here
for me.
421
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,106
God can't help you.
422
00:37:15,233 --> 00:37:18,486
I heard this voice come up to
my ear and started
423
00:37:18,569 --> 00:37:19,820
saying something.
424
00:37:19,904 --> 00:37:21,072
I couldn't understand
what it was.
425
00:37:25,117 --> 00:37:27,536
And it was, like, mumbling.
426
00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:31,082
And I'm just freaked out.
I didn't know what to do.
427
00:37:31,207 --> 00:37:33,960
I felt paralyzed because--
you couldn't even move.
428
00:37:35,086 --> 00:37:37,046
And I started to pray.
429
00:37:37,129 --> 00:37:38,464
God can't help you.
430
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,310
And then I felt
this burn on my leg.
431
00:37:52,311 --> 00:37:54,772
I could see three scratch marks
going down my leg,
432
00:37:54,855 --> 00:37:57,233
and it burned.
I was just terrified.
433
00:38:00,611 --> 00:38:03,614
After it released, I was
screaming on top of my lungs.
434
00:38:03,698 --> 00:38:06,617
My parents came running in
there, and I told them.
435
00:38:06,742 --> 00:38:09,495
And I think that moment when
they seen the scratch marks
436
00:38:09,620 --> 00:38:13,416
and stuff, I think they started
to believe me that something
437
00:38:13,499 --> 00:38:15,001
was happening to me.
438
00:38:15,126 --> 00:38:17,962
This spirit is trying anything
to prevent Karlo from
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00:38:18,045 --> 00:38:19,422
protecting himself.
440
00:38:19,505 --> 00:38:22,091
So that is why he told him,
"God won't save you."
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00:38:42,361 --> 00:38:45,573
So a few days later,
I had a friend over
442
00:38:45,698 --> 00:38:47,158
and we were playing
a video game.
443
00:38:53,205 --> 00:38:55,666
You know the guy that used to
live here?
444
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:57,877
He killed himself
in the basement.
445
00:39:08,971 --> 00:39:10,181
At first, I didn't believe him.
446
00:39:10,264 --> 00:39:11,974
I'm like, "Are you just kidding
with me and stuff?"
447
00:39:12,099 --> 00:39:14,018
So later on that day,
we went to his house,
448
00:39:15,186 --> 00:39:17,229
and I seen his dad, and I was
like, you know,
449
00:39:17,313 --> 00:39:19,982
"Is this true that a gentleman
did hang himself?"
450
00:39:20,107 --> 00:39:21,442
He's like, "Yeah, he did.
451
00:39:21,567 --> 00:39:22,985
He hung himself down
in the basement."
452
00:39:26,572 --> 00:39:29,283
He said the guy was abusive.
453
00:39:30,409 --> 00:39:33,537
He was not a nice guy.
He was a drunk.
454
00:39:34,955 --> 00:39:36,499
He just didn't like people.
455
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:40,211
And I think he just fell into
depression and decided to
456
00:39:40,294 --> 00:39:41,462
take his life.
457
00:39:41,545 --> 00:39:43,631
And went downstairs
and hung himself,
458
00:39:43,714 --> 00:39:45,758
and from what I understand,
he was down there for a few
459
00:39:45,841 --> 00:39:47,718
days until somebody actually
found him.
460
00:40:00,147 --> 00:40:04,902
We have a lot of issues,
basically a negative existence,
461
00:40:04,985 --> 00:40:07,988
and so that would explain,
in the afterlife, he's still
462
00:40:08,114 --> 00:40:10,157
having the same issues.
463
00:40:10,282 --> 00:40:12,618
This spirit is so
angry and vengeful.
464
00:40:12,701 --> 00:40:15,413
This person's passing
was traumatic.
465
00:40:15,496 --> 00:40:17,373
This is something that
he inflicted upon himself.
466
00:40:18,374 --> 00:40:21,335
And now they are in his house,
and he's seeking revenge.
467
00:40:25,005 --> 00:40:27,049
When I started actually
cleaning the basement is when
468
00:40:27,174 --> 00:40:28,384
things started happening.
469
00:40:35,307 --> 00:40:38,686
And, you know, you start moving
things around, they get angry,
470
00:40:38,769 --> 00:40:41,522
and then I'm an easy target,
so they went after me.
471
00:40:46,235 --> 00:40:47,736
This all makes a lot of
sense now.
472
00:40:47,862 --> 00:40:51,866
This person who used to live
there, who killed themselves in
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00:40:51,991 --> 00:40:54,994
the basement, is upset that
their stuff is being thrown out
474
00:40:55,077 --> 00:40:58,164
and are trying to enact revenge
on the person who did that,
475
00:40:58,247 --> 00:40:59,957
who happens to be young Karlo.
476
00:41:02,168 --> 00:41:05,004
As I got older, it started to
realize I was getting stronger
477
00:41:05,087 --> 00:41:06,046
as a kid.
478
00:41:06,172 --> 00:41:09,175
I would still hear
things, you know.
479
00:41:09,258 --> 00:41:12,470
You could still hear footsteps
once in a while, but it never
480
00:41:12,553 --> 00:41:15,890
really came back to me
to, you know,
481
00:41:15,973 --> 00:41:16,974
to hurt me.
482
00:41:19,143 --> 00:41:21,729
But I believe it had an eye out
for me the whole time.
483
00:41:24,356 --> 00:41:28,194
Karlo now knows who this
spirit is and who
484
00:41:28,277 --> 00:41:30,029
their identity is,
what their life was like,
485
00:41:30,112 --> 00:41:34,575
and so knowledge really equips
people to fight against fear.
486
00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:38,037
This spirit was so distraught,
even in death, and he was
487
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,208
taking this all out on young
Karlo, and hopefully the spirit
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00:41:42,291 --> 00:41:43,292
can find some peace.
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00:41:48,130 --> 00:41:51,717
Being a child and experiencing
stuff, I had nobody to talk to.
490
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,428
Now, today, I'm that person.
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00:41:54,512 --> 00:41:57,389
I want people to reach out
to me.
492
00:41:57,473 --> 00:41:59,600
So I would never turn my back
on somebody.
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00:41:59,725 --> 00:42:01,519
I'm there to help others now.
494
00:42:01,602 --> 00:42:04,021
And I wish I had that
when I was a child.
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