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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,003 --> 00:00:05,672 She turned around and she waved at me. 2 00:00:07,090 --> 00:00:09,676 That's the last time I saw Barbara Nichols. 3 00:00:09,801 --> 00:00:12,220 The authorities have no leads. 4 00:00:12,345 --> 00:00:15,223 My dorm was the oldest dorm at that point on campus. 5 00:00:15,348 --> 00:00:16,891 Strange events started to take place. 6 00:00:17,017 --> 00:00:18,977 There was definitely that feeling of being watched, 7 00:00:19,060 --> 00:00:21,104 that feeling of sort of pressure. 8 00:00:21,187 --> 00:00:23,565 This case takes us deep into the self. 9 00:00:26,026 --> 00:00:28,361 Somebody or something lured her to that pond. 10 00:00:31,322 --> 00:00:33,742 What kind of creature can kill without a trace? 11 00:00:33,867 --> 00:00:36,202 It just becomes this sort of overwhelming, 12 00:00:36,327 --> 00:00:39,789 almost itchy sort of sensation where all I want to do is 13 00:00:39,873 --> 00:00:42,125 turn around and see who is there. 14 00:00:42,208 --> 00:00:45,045 A lot of the times, he would find the beagle dead 15 00:00:45,128 --> 00:00:46,337 in Barbara Nichols' pond. 16 00:00:47,756 --> 00:00:49,674 What's killing the dogs? 17 00:00:49,758 --> 00:00:51,301 I don't believe in the supernatural too much, 18 00:00:51,384 --> 00:00:53,678 but there's something about this seems to be supernatural. 19 00:00:53,762 --> 00:00:56,097 The level of fear was 10. 20 00:00:57,599 --> 00:00:58,892 She was no longer just a dream. 21 00:01:00,018 --> 00:01:01,853 And I was terrified. 22 00:01:01,936 --> 00:01:05,398 This case has all the markings of a paranormal revenge. 23 00:01:41,142 --> 00:01:43,019 I ain't never lived anywhere else, 24 00:01:43,103 --> 00:01:45,146 so Johnston County is home to me. 25 00:01:48,775 --> 00:01:50,693 It used to be really rural. 26 00:01:50,777 --> 00:01:53,238 Everybody was mostly a tobacco farmer 27 00:01:53,321 --> 00:01:55,406 or some kind of farmer in some kind of way. 28 00:01:58,493 --> 00:02:00,370 And I know that sounds 29 00:02:00,453 --> 00:02:03,623 old-fashioned, but basically that's exactly what we did. 30 00:02:05,166 --> 00:02:07,627 That's the way life was for us in Johnston County. 31 00:02:13,299 --> 00:02:14,968 It's a place full of stories, 32 00:02:16,594 --> 00:02:18,888 old as the land. 33 00:02:18,972 --> 00:02:21,975 Story that lives in these deep woods 34 00:02:22,058 --> 00:02:23,977 and in the stink of the swamps. 35 00:02:25,103 --> 00:02:27,480 Dark things, witches. 36 00:02:28,773 --> 00:02:29,816 Ghosts... 37 00:02:31,818 --> 00:02:33,987 Things that put the fear of God in you. 38 00:02:47,834 --> 00:02:49,919 I first met Barbara Nichols when she come 39 00:02:50,003 --> 00:02:52,172 to our little grade school in Corinth Holders. 40 00:02:55,842 --> 00:02:57,969 We rode to school back and forth together 41 00:02:58,052 --> 00:02:59,888 on the same bus, 42 00:03:00,013 --> 00:03:02,765 but I really didn't talk to her because I was 43 00:03:02,849 --> 00:03:04,392 just infatuated with her. 44 00:03:20,658 --> 00:03:23,286 Barbara Nichols walked off the bus, 45 00:03:24,329 --> 00:03:26,497 and I was looking at her the whole time 46 00:03:26,581 --> 00:03:28,875 with my little puppy love. 47 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,878 And she turned around, and she waved at me. 48 00:03:33,254 --> 00:03:35,298 And I waved back at her. 49 00:03:36,716 --> 00:03:39,844 And we just kept waving back and forth at each other. 50 00:03:39,928 --> 00:03:44,098 And that's when I knew that she liked me 51 00:03:44,224 --> 00:03:45,600 as much as I liked her. 52 00:03:47,018 --> 00:03:49,771 I saw her turn around and start walking down 53 00:03:49,896 --> 00:03:52,565 that long mile back at her house. 54 00:03:54,234 --> 00:03:56,402 And that's the last time I saw Barbara Nichols. 55 00:03:57,737 --> 00:03:58,947 It was a sad day. 56 00:04:08,748 --> 00:04:10,500 Richard Estep, Todd Narron, take one. 57 00:04:14,754 --> 00:04:16,756 This is an unusual and fascinating case. 58 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,550 It's got so many elements we don't usually see. 59 00:04:19,634 --> 00:04:20,885 Erin Goodpipe, take one. 60 00:04:22,262 --> 00:04:24,514 This case takes us deep into the South, 61 00:04:24,597 --> 00:04:26,849 where there are swamps, a lot of histories, 62 00:04:26,933 --> 00:04:29,978 a lot of legends and lore, and ultimately 63 00:04:30,103 --> 00:04:32,230 the disappearance of a little girl 64 00:04:32,313 --> 00:04:36,109 that takes us on a journey with a lot of unexpected outcomes. 65 00:04:38,736 --> 00:04:40,989 This is the direction that our bus would come from 66 00:04:41,114 --> 00:04:42,323 every day from school. 67 00:04:43,783 --> 00:04:46,119 And this is the last time I saw Barbara Nichols 68 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:48,705 when she got off the bus that day. 69 00:04:49,998 --> 00:04:52,292 Everyday she had to get off 70 00:04:52,417 --> 00:04:56,212 and walk down this path about a mile to her house. 71 00:05:13,688 --> 00:05:15,523 This is Barbara Nichols' house. 72 00:05:15,648 --> 00:05:17,859 And you can see it's run-down, and it was run-down 73 00:05:17,984 --> 00:05:18,985 way back then. 74 00:05:21,070 --> 00:05:23,323 Nobody wouldn't rent to 'em. 75 00:05:23,448 --> 00:05:25,992 And the reason being is 'cause the whole family 76 00:05:26,117 --> 00:05:27,160 came from Ohio. 77 00:05:30,496 --> 00:05:33,249 Even more than 100 years after the end of the Civil War, 78 00:05:33,333 --> 00:05:36,836 resentments and hatred still run strong in the South 79 00:05:36,919 --> 00:05:39,589 regarding the North and Northerners. 80 00:05:39,672 --> 00:05:41,299 Barbara might be paying the price for something 81 00:05:41,382 --> 00:05:42,592 that happened more than a century 82 00:05:42,675 --> 00:05:44,177 before she was even born. 83 00:05:44,302 --> 00:05:47,180 Then again, there are even darker, more grim possibilities 84 00:05:47,263 --> 00:05:48,348 that we should consider. 85 00:05:50,516 --> 00:05:52,894 Barbara's father drank a lot, and he would use up 86 00:05:53,019 --> 00:05:56,356 a lot of the money. But her mama was real smart, 87 00:05:56,481 --> 00:06:00,860 and she did all she could do to save her money. 88 00:06:00,985 --> 00:06:04,697 And she would put in window panes. 89 00:06:04,781 --> 00:06:09,035 They say she cut down all the brush, painted the house, 90 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,454 fixed everything up as far as she could. 91 00:06:11,537 --> 00:06:12,789 She did everything she could, 92 00:06:13,790 --> 00:06:15,416 and she got the house looking decent. 93 00:06:16,876 --> 00:06:18,711 This is where Barbara Nichols come 94 00:06:18,836 --> 00:06:21,089 when she got off the bus every day. 95 00:06:21,214 --> 00:06:23,466 On this particular day, she just disappeared. 96 00:06:26,719 --> 00:06:29,764 There was a farmer had a dog 97 00:06:29,889 --> 00:06:33,059 and Bingo was his name, oh. 98 00:06:33,142 --> 00:06:36,354 B-I-N-G-O, 99 00:06:36,437 --> 00:06:37,855 B-I... 100 00:06:37,939 --> 00:06:40,400 Her mother and father had missed her... 101 00:06:41,651 --> 00:06:42,735 not getting home. 102 00:06:44,070 --> 00:06:48,157 And they went down to the road, and they started stopping cars. 103 00:06:48,241 --> 00:06:50,451 They would start saying, "Our daughter's missing, 104 00:06:50,576 --> 00:06:52,286 "our daughter's missing. 105 00:06:52,412 --> 00:06:53,830 Has anybody seen Barbara?" 106 00:06:56,749 --> 00:06:59,669 The local police department is in a frenzy and they coordinate 107 00:06:59,752 --> 00:07:03,297 a huge search, bringing in neighbors, the fire department, 108 00:07:03,423 --> 00:07:06,759 any volunteer that will help, scour the thick woods 109 00:07:06,843 --> 00:07:09,595 around the missing girl's home for any sign 110 00:07:09,679 --> 00:07:10,596 of where she has gone. 111 00:07:13,307 --> 00:07:15,977 At first glance, this case really appears 112 00:07:16,102 --> 00:07:17,437 to be cut-and-dry. 113 00:07:17,562 --> 00:07:21,482 Maybe there is a predator, a stalker, a pedophile, 114 00:07:21,607 --> 00:07:23,860 that is preying on little Barbara Nichols. 115 00:07:23,943 --> 00:07:25,653 At this point, the evidence takes 116 00:07:25,778 --> 00:07:27,196 a really interesting turn. 117 00:07:29,073 --> 00:07:32,452 One of the things Barbara Nichols had to do every day 118 00:07:32,577 --> 00:07:36,038 after school was pass by this pond. 119 00:07:56,684 --> 00:07:58,311 About 9 o'clock the next morning, 120 00:07:58,436 --> 00:07:59,520 they found her... 121 00:08:00,563 --> 00:08:03,149 floating in the little pond that was near her house. 122 00:08:10,323 --> 00:08:11,949 We all went to school the next day, 123 00:08:12,033 --> 00:08:14,160 and then our teachers announced it to us 124 00:08:15,286 --> 00:08:16,829 that Barbara Nichols was gone. 125 00:08:18,664 --> 00:08:20,124 And we were all shocked. 126 00:08:22,627 --> 00:08:24,337 We knew old people died. 127 00:08:24,462 --> 00:08:26,839 We didn't realize that young people died, too. 128 00:08:28,633 --> 00:08:29,926 And it broke my heart. 129 00:08:32,011 --> 00:08:33,471 That was the end of Barbara Nichols. 130 00:08:35,223 --> 00:08:37,850 And it was basically the end of the Barbara Nichols family 131 00:08:37,934 --> 00:08:41,854 because they couldn't stand it 132 00:08:41,979 --> 00:08:44,524 And they eventually moved. 133 00:08:47,485 --> 00:08:49,946 The authorities have no leads. 134 00:08:51,906 --> 00:08:55,576 We have to take in the fact that Barbara Nichols goes 135 00:08:55,701 --> 00:08:57,328 down this path every single day. 136 00:08:57,411 --> 00:09:00,081 It takes her about 15 to 20 minutes to get 137 00:09:00,206 --> 00:09:02,416 from where the bus stops to her home. 138 00:09:02,542 --> 00:09:05,711 So we need to consider, you know, who knows 139 00:09:05,836 --> 00:09:07,255 this information? 140 00:09:07,380 --> 00:09:10,424 Who or what did she encounter along the way? 141 00:09:38,911 --> 00:09:41,080 We don't know what happened, but she ended up 142 00:09:41,205 --> 00:09:44,667 inside the pond, and she drowned. 143 00:09:44,750 --> 00:09:46,794 And that was the end of Barbara Nichols. 144 00:09:51,591 --> 00:09:55,261 There was somebody that had bad intentions for Barbara. 145 00:09:55,386 --> 00:09:57,638 Then maybe somebody knew Barbara's 146 00:09:57,722 --> 00:09:59,223 uh, routine. 147 00:09:59,348 --> 00:10:01,684 They could have knew that she went 148 00:10:01,767 --> 00:10:03,102 down that path every day. 149 00:10:08,691 --> 00:10:10,651 This is every parent's worst nightmare. 150 00:10:10,735 --> 00:10:13,529 Seven-year-old Barbara Nichols has possibly been killed 151 00:10:13,613 --> 00:10:15,072 by a child predator. 152 00:10:15,197 --> 00:10:17,867 That's the conclusion that we would jump to at first, 153 00:10:17,950 --> 00:10:20,369 but as the police investigate the case further, 154 00:10:20,453 --> 00:10:22,705 it's not where the evidence points. 155 00:10:25,082 --> 00:10:27,376 The autopsy shows that she died by drowning. 156 00:10:27,460 --> 00:10:29,670 Why did she stray from this path 157 00:10:29,754 --> 00:10:31,714 and end up in the pond? 158 00:10:31,797 --> 00:10:34,508 Barbara Nichols' body doesn't have any trauma on it, 159 00:10:34,592 --> 00:10:37,553 which suggests that somebody or something lured her 160 00:10:37,637 --> 00:10:38,846 to that pond. 161 00:10:38,929 --> 00:10:41,265 What I heard was death by drowning. 162 00:10:41,349 --> 00:10:42,767 It didn't say anything about... 163 00:10:44,435 --> 00:10:47,438 blunt-force trauma or anything like that. 164 00:10:47,563 --> 00:10:48,773 It just said she drowned. 165 00:10:51,651 --> 00:10:52,943 And what they had found 166 00:10:53,027 --> 00:10:57,323 was tracks all around that pond. 167 00:10:57,448 --> 00:10:59,700 Whoever made these tracks 168 00:10:59,784 --> 00:11:02,036 was walking on four legs. 169 00:11:02,119 --> 00:11:04,455 What was found at the pond were a number of different 170 00:11:04,538 --> 00:11:08,125 animal tracks where Barbara Nichols died. 171 00:11:08,250 --> 00:11:10,252 So, now this takes a turn. 172 00:11:10,336 --> 00:11:13,089 Now the community is in this state of thinking 173 00:11:13,172 --> 00:11:14,256 of superstitions. 174 00:11:14,340 --> 00:11:15,716 People are talking and they wanna know 175 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,344 what kind of animal it is that can kill a little girl 176 00:11:18,469 --> 00:11:20,513 without leaving a single mark on her body. 177 00:11:20,638 --> 00:11:23,641 What kind of creature can kill without a trace? 178 00:11:23,724 --> 00:11:25,810 Are we dealing with something that is not, in fact, 179 00:11:25,893 --> 00:11:26,977 of this realm? 180 00:11:34,485 --> 00:11:37,071 From then on, we figured that it had to be 181 00:11:37,154 --> 00:11:39,740 something supernatural, but there's nothing 182 00:11:39,824 --> 00:11:40,825 we can prove. 183 00:11:42,243 --> 00:11:46,163 All of us little kids put the death of a child 184 00:11:46,247 --> 00:11:50,126 as a ghost being there. 185 00:11:50,209 --> 00:11:52,086 And our imaginations were wild. 186 00:11:55,005 --> 00:11:58,050 That's when things started to look a little strange. 187 00:12:06,434 --> 00:12:08,269 Hunters would go in there 188 00:12:08,352 --> 00:12:10,521 to the woody part of the property 189 00:12:10,604 --> 00:12:14,066 and let their dogs out, 190 00:12:14,191 --> 00:12:17,111 and they would hunt rabbits 191 00:12:17,194 --> 00:12:19,822 and the dogs would go and sniff out rabbits. 192 00:12:22,032 --> 00:12:26,203 But a lot of times, one or two of the dogs wouldn't come back 193 00:12:26,287 --> 00:12:28,289 at the end of the day, and the hunt was over. 194 00:12:31,292 --> 00:12:33,711 And they would go back day after day, 195 00:12:33,836 --> 00:12:36,005 calling for that dog. 196 00:12:36,088 --> 00:12:37,256 Buddy! 197 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:40,301 Buddy! 198 00:12:41,761 --> 00:12:46,056 And eventually, a lot of the times, 199 00:12:46,182 --> 00:12:49,226 he would find the beagle dead in Barbara Nichols' pond, 200 00:12:51,353 --> 00:12:52,563 and they would be drowned. 201 00:12:54,148 --> 00:12:56,734 The hunters stopped hunting around that pond 202 00:12:56,859 --> 00:13:00,404 because they didn't want to take the chance on losing a dog. 203 00:13:00,488 --> 00:13:02,823 It really sent a chill through this community. 204 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,873 There's a local legend about a ferocious entity 205 00:13:10,956 --> 00:13:13,417 known as the Beast of Bladenboro. 206 00:13:13,501 --> 00:13:16,045 It terrorized everybody in Bladenboro, pretty much. 207 00:13:16,128 --> 00:13:17,421 I mean, it scared people. 208 00:13:18,506 --> 00:13:20,341 Well, I don't believe in the supernatural too much, 209 00:13:20,424 --> 00:13:23,093 but there's something about this thing to be supernatural. 210 00:13:23,219 --> 00:13:27,097 Bladenboro is a small town 85 miles south 211 00:13:27,223 --> 00:13:29,892 of where Barbara Nichols' body was found. 212 00:13:29,975 --> 00:13:32,728 According to witnesses, the creature looks similar 213 00:13:32,812 --> 00:13:36,106 to a monstrous black panther, or great cat. 214 00:13:37,650 --> 00:13:39,944 Over the years, multiple hunter parties were 215 00:13:40,069 --> 00:13:42,905 arranged to try and hunt and kill this mystical beast, 216 00:13:42,988 --> 00:13:44,281 but it was never found. 217 00:13:47,034 --> 00:13:49,954 Is it possible that whatever took Barbara and killed 218 00:13:50,079 --> 00:13:52,998 these hunting dogs was something paranormal? 219 00:13:55,417 --> 00:13:57,461 A closer look at the tracks found in the scene 220 00:13:57,545 --> 00:13:58,587 give us that answer. 221 00:13:59,839 --> 00:14:02,466 These animal prints that they found around 222 00:14:02,591 --> 00:14:05,302 Barbara's body, there wasn't just one. 223 00:14:05,386 --> 00:14:07,429 There was at least half a dozen, 224 00:14:07,513 --> 00:14:09,932 like a pack of animals. 225 00:14:13,936 --> 00:14:17,481 What people did back then was, if you didn't want your dog 226 00:14:17,565 --> 00:14:20,192 no more, what you did was took him to the woods. 227 00:14:20,317 --> 00:14:24,071 And that was your way of giving the dog a chance 228 00:14:24,154 --> 00:14:28,200 to live instead of just shooting the dog. 229 00:14:28,325 --> 00:14:30,578 B-I-N-G-O, 230 00:14:30,661 --> 00:14:32,830 B-I-N-G-- 231 00:14:32,955 --> 00:14:35,040 They were able to conclude that there was just, 232 00:14:35,165 --> 00:14:38,127 that there was a whole pack of dogs. 233 00:14:38,210 --> 00:14:39,920 We don't know what happened. 234 00:14:40,004 --> 00:14:42,715 Maybe the dogs were just too fast for her, 235 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,135 or what happened, but she ended up inside the pond. 236 00:14:46,218 --> 00:14:48,637 But it turns out that was only half the truth. 237 00:14:51,348 --> 00:14:54,018 Now it becomes clear that it's more than likely 238 00:14:54,143 --> 00:14:56,562 the wild dogs led to Barbara Nichols' death. 239 00:14:56,687 --> 00:14:59,231 But the question is, what's killing the dogs? 240 00:15:01,525 --> 00:15:05,821 Over the next week and months, the same thing kept happening. 241 00:15:05,905 --> 00:15:09,491 Hunting dogs found missing and found dead by the pond. 242 00:15:09,575 --> 00:15:13,579 It got to be so bad that people stopped fishing 243 00:15:13,704 --> 00:15:17,041 in-- in-- Barbara Nichols' pond. 244 00:15:18,250 --> 00:15:19,376 They were scared of it. 245 00:15:34,391 --> 00:15:38,479 12 years had passed since Barbara Nichols' incident. 246 00:15:38,562 --> 00:15:44,526 And my uncle from Wake County had called, and he was 247 00:15:44,652 --> 00:15:46,362 a big hunter and fisherman. 248 00:15:47,363 --> 00:15:51,825 And he asked me if I would like to go frog gigging. 249 00:15:51,909 --> 00:15:53,661 I'll tell you a little bit about frog gigging. 250 00:15:55,079 --> 00:15:57,247 First of all, you need a boat, 251 00:15:58,666 --> 00:16:01,418 in this case a jon boat, and you need a trident. 252 00:16:02,544 --> 00:16:03,921 And you go along the shore, 253 00:16:05,381 --> 00:16:10,135 as slow as you can, and you put a bright light on the bank 254 00:16:10,219 --> 00:16:14,390 and you look for two shiny little eyes or a yellow throat, 255 00:16:14,473 --> 00:16:16,016 then you know it's a bullfrog. 256 00:16:17,184 --> 00:16:19,395 You see his size, he's big enough, 257 00:16:19,478 --> 00:16:20,771 you know he's good to eat. 258 00:16:20,896 --> 00:16:23,732 And when you see him, you stick him just like that. 259 00:16:26,860 --> 00:16:29,863 Everywhere I took him, there was no frogs. 260 00:16:29,947 --> 00:16:33,242 So I took one chance and I thought, well, 261 00:16:33,325 --> 00:16:36,829 Barbara Nichols' pond hasn't been missed with in years, 262 00:16:36,912 --> 00:16:39,498 and there's gotta be frogs there. 263 00:16:40,958 --> 00:16:42,084 We get into the water, 264 00:16:43,419 --> 00:16:45,254 and we start going around the pond, 265 00:16:46,922 --> 00:16:50,009 and Immediately I started thinking about Barbara Nichols. 266 00:16:51,927 --> 00:16:54,096 I just thought, "It's not the place to be." 267 00:17:09,945 --> 00:17:12,948 Bingo was his name-- 268 00:17:19,621 --> 00:17:20,998 We hear a dog, 269 00:17:22,041 --> 00:17:23,292 and he's far away. 270 00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:27,212 And then the dog's getting closer and closer 271 00:17:27,296 --> 00:17:29,048 and closer and barking. 272 00:17:38,432 --> 00:17:40,476 We see him, and it's a hound. 273 00:17:40,601 --> 00:17:45,689 And the dog jumps-- jumps completely into the water... 274 00:17:48,025 --> 00:17:52,488 ...and starts dog-paddling toward us as fast as he can go. 275 00:17:58,869 --> 00:17:59,870 We're scared. 276 00:17:59,995 --> 00:18:01,371 We don't know if he's got rabies. 277 00:18:01,497 --> 00:18:03,832 We don't know what is up with this dog, 278 00:18:03,957 --> 00:18:06,293 but we know he's coming straight for us. 279 00:18:09,171 --> 00:18:10,214 Oh, hell! 280 00:18:17,179 --> 00:18:19,014 All of a sudden, he's close. 281 00:18:23,143 --> 00:18:26,271 And he just-- is sucked under. 282 00:18:27,272 --> 00:18:29,525 And he is gone. There's no more noise. 283 00:18:29,650 --> 00:18:30,859 There's no more nothing. 284 00:18:32,027 --> 00:18:33,779 He's gone. Where'd he go? 285 00:18:35,572 --> 00:18:38,534 We didn't have a reason for why the dog... 286 00:18:38,617 --> 00:18:41,870 was just all of a sudden sucked down into the water. 287 00:18:41,995 --> 00:18:43,831 There are no getters in North Carolina. 288 00:18:43,914 --> 00:18:44,957 Go, go, go, go, go. 289 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,542 We don't worry about anything else. 290 00:18:46,667 --> 00:18:49,628 All we worry about is getting back onto the truck, 291 00:18:49,711 --> 00:18:51,547 and we get out of there. 292 00:18:51,672 --> 00:18:52,714 Let's go. 293 00:18:53,799 --> 00:18:55,467 Come on, come on, come on. 294 00:19:02,975 --> 00:19:04,935 There was a farmer 295 00:19:05,060 --> 00:19:06,395 had a dog... 296 00:19:08,272 --> 00:19:11,650 And Bingo was his name, oh. 297 00:19:11,733 --> 00:19:14,820 B-I-N-G-O, 298 00:19:14,903 --> 00:19:18,407 B-I-N-G-O, 299 00:19:18,490 --> 00:19:21,410 B-I-N-G-O... 300 00:19:21,535 --> 00:19:23,912 My level of fear was-- was 10... 301 00:19:24,997 --> 00:19:26,039 because... 302 00:19:27,833 --> 00:19:31,003 I felt that I knew what it was 303 00:19:31,086 --> 00:19:32,212 that had done it. 304 00:19:32,296 --> 00:19:34,214 There's no doubt in my mind, it was Barbara Nichols 305 00:19:34,298 --> 00:19:35,674 who took that dog. 306 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,559 This case has all the markings of a paranormal revenge. 307 00:19:45,642 --> 00:19:49,146 You have little Barbara Nichols who has died at this pond 308 00:19:49,271 --> 00:19:52,191 very tragically, and probably in a horrific manner, 309 00:19:52,274 --> 00:19:54,484 considering all of the animal tracks 310 00:19:54,610 --> 00:19:56,278 that were present during her death. 311 00:20:00,324 --> 00:20:05,913 That's a motive for revenge on any other dog, 312 00:20:05,996 --> 00:20:09,416 innocent or not, that strays into the vicinity of the pond. 313 00:20:12,794 --> 00:20:14,546 It was a definitely act of revenge. 314 00:20:15,589 --> 00:20:18,342 And it's sad so many good dogs had to die. 315 00:20:18,467 --> 00:20:21,053 But see, it is even sadder that she had to die there, too. 316 00:20:27,476 --> 00:20:28,769 This pond is still here 317 00:20:29,811 --> 00:20:31,146 after all these years. 318 00:20:32,648 --> 00:20:34,149 And it's been a lot of years. 319 00:20:35,317 --> 00:20:37,986 And it's still called Barbara Nichols' pond. 320 00:20:39,821 --> 00:20:41,365 I haven't been back in years. 321 00:20:45,827 --> 00:20:47,496 It's kinda... 322 00:20:47,579 --> 00:20:48,914 eerie to be back here. 323 00:20:50,958 --> 00:20:52,209 It brings back a lot of memories. 324 00:20:57,089 --> 00:20:59,883 She'd be-- have her own family now, 325 00:21:01,051 --> 00:21:02,052 her own kids. 326 00:21:05,847 --> 00:21:07,099 Just like the rest of us. 327 00:21:08,725 --> 00:21:09,726 But that one day, 328 00:21:11,144 --> 00:21:13,897 just one day and one moment in time 329 00:21:14,022 --> 00:21:15,357 changed everything. 330 00:21:23,699 --> 00:21:27,119 It shows the tragedy of when you have children's spirits 331 00:21:27,202 --> 00:21:29,788 who are remaining in this realm, 332 00:21:29,871 --> 00:21:33,709 either trapped or unable to find some sort of peace 333 00:21:33,834 --> 00:21:36,253 to keep continuing on their journey. 334 00:21:36,378 --> 00:21:38,880 And in this case, Barbara Nichols is, 335 00:21:39,006 --> 00:21:41,425 for some reason, deciding to stay here. 336 00:21:42,718 --> 00:21:45,053 ♪ B-I-N-G-O... ♪ 337 00:21:46,763 --> 00:21:48,598 I do know that there's a paranormal world, 338 00:21:50,350 --> 00:21:55,564 and revenge and other emotions keep going 339 00:21:56,565 --> 00:22:00,068 long after... we're gone. 340 00:22:23,467 --> 00:22:25,469 I grew up in a small city in western Kentucky 341 00:22:25,552 --> 00:22:26,553 called Madisonville. 342 00:22:28,889 --> 00:22:31,224 It is farm fields, it is forests, 343 00:22:32,434 --> 00:22:36,396 it is very religious. There's not much going on. 344 00:22:36,521 --> 00:22:38,315 That life very much did not appeal to me. 345 00:22:42,652 --> 00:22:43,737 When I graduated from high school, 346 00:22:43,862 --> 00:22:46,656 I went to a college in Eastern Kentucky, 347 00:22:48,241 --> 00:22:50,035 and I was in the honors program there. 348 00:22:51,953 --> 00:22:54,414 I was double majoring in History and Anthropology. 349 00:22:56,249 --> 00:22:57,751 I loved my first couple of years at school... 350 00:23:00,420 --> 00:23:02,714 until I moved into the honors dorm. 351 00:23:02,798 --> 00:23:04,758 It was like something out of a horror movie. 352 00:23:11,098 --> 00:23:13,767 My dorm was the oldest dorm at that point on campus. 353 00:23:14,893 --> 00:23:17,229 It was an imposing old brick building 354 00:23:17,312 --> 00:23:19,856 with this long sort of veranda front porch on it. 355 00:23:21,733 --> 00:23:23,693 It looks like something out of a horror movie, 356 00:23:23,777 --> 00:23:25,862 especially if you're there on the weekend 357 00:23:25,946 --> 00:23:27,781 and you're the only person in the building. 358 00:23:27,864 --> 00:23:29,658 It's just big and imposing. 359 00:23:31,827 --> 00:23:35,330 Erin Goodpipe, Steph Bingham, take two-- five, six. 360 00:23:39,376 --> 00:23:42,003 Stephanie Bingham's case is very fascinating 361 00:23:42,129 --> 00:23:43,505 and quite original. 362 00:23:43,630 --> 00:23:45,924 It begins with her moving into her dormitory 363 00:23:46,007 --> 00:23:47,634 at the University of Kentucky. 364 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:49,845 Tawney Lewis, Stephanie Bingham, take one. 365 00:23:53,557 --> 00:23:55,976 After moving in the dorm, strange events started 366 00:23:56,059 --> 00:23:58,645 to take place, which makes me, as an investigator, 367 00:23:58,728 --> 00:23:59,938 sit up and take notice. 368 00:24:02,315 --> 00:24:05,527 This case has a really interesting motive. 369 00:24:05,652 --> 00:24:08,488 It all starts when Stephanie moves in with her roommate. 370 00:24:13,326 --> 00:24:15,787 In my dorm, I shared my room with another student. 371 00:24:17,497 --> 00:24:18,999 I could tell there was something just a little 372 00:24:19,124 --> 00:24:20,125 different about her. 373 00:24:21,626 --> 00:24:22,627 She was very religious. 374 00:24:24,504 --> 00:24:26,840 I knew that what she believed was very different 375 00:24:26,965 --> 00:24:28,550 than the way I'd been raised. 376 00:24:28,675 --> 00:24:32,846 Well, if you want, I have a prayer meeting on Saturday. 377 00:24:34,514 --> 00:24:37,058 Oh, yeah, maybe. 378 00:24:39,019 --> 00:24:41,980 The portico and not the building itself, or its store rooms, 379 00:24:42,063 --> 00:24:43,148 its upper rooms and... 380 00:24:43,231 --> 00:24:46,485 - I hope you have a good day. - Yeah, thanks. 381 00:25:09,549 --> 00:25:11,760 When I was in the building, there was definitely 382 00:25:11,885 --> 00:25:13,428 that feeling of being watched, that feeling of 383 00:25:13,553 --> 00:25:14,721 sort of pressure. 384 00:25:26,358 --> 00:25:30,278 Stephanie is starting to feel that something is off here, 385 00:25:30,403 --> 00:25:32,405 something in the room, something about her roommate. 386 00:25:32,531 --> 00:25:34,449 There's just an odd feeling. 387 00:25:34,574 --> 00:25:37,160 But things don't start to take a paranormal turn 388 00:25:37,244 --> 00:25:40,205 until three nights later, after she moves into her dorm, 389 00:25:40,288 --> 00:25:42,499 which make me, as an investigator, 390 00:25:42,582 --> 00:25:44,417 begin to question what's going on here. 391 00:25:48,129 --> 00:25:49,756 I was laying in my bed, and I saw movement 392 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:51,091 inside my closet. 393 00:26:10,902 --> 00:26:12,487 I talked to some of the other girls on the floor, 394 00:26:12,612 --> 00:26:16,199 and they would talk about seeing movement in their closet 395 00:26:16,283 --> 00:26:18,326 when there was no one in there. 396 00:26:18,451 --> 00:26:21,204 A lot of the girls would call it Peeping Tom. 397 00:26:25,375 --> 00:26:27,627 So Stephanie and a few other students in the dorms, 398 00:26:27,711 --> 00:26:31,339 they seem to have issues with ruffling clothes, 399 00:26:31,464 --> 00:26:33,800 and they all assume it's a peeping Tom. 400 00:26:33,883 --> 00:26:37,762 But there's no actual evidence that there's a real person 401 00:26:37,846 --> 00:26:39,097 doing this. 402 00:26:39,180 --> 00:26:41,516 But that's where I get involved. 403 00:26:41,641 --> 00:26:44,769 I'm wondering, OK, is this paranormal? 404 00:26:44,853 --> 00:26:45,895 What could this be? 405 00:26:46,980 --> 00:26:49,316 If you're a spirit who is trying to elicit a sense 406 00:26:49,441 --> 00:26:52,736 of fear, what better place to do this than to do it 407 00:26:52,819 --> 00:26:54,154 from the closet or under the bed? 408 00:27:14,633 --> 00:27:16,635 Ow! In our dorm, we had this wall where we'd hang up cards 409 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:17,761 from our family. 410 00:27:26,686 --> 00:27:30,607 One day I came home, and they were opening and closing. 411 00:27:39,949 --> 00:27:42,118 Nothing was causing air movement 412 00:27:42,202 --> 00:27:43,662 in that direction at all. 413 00:27:47,999 --> 00:27:49,751 I'm starting to notice a pattern when it comes 414 00:27:49,834 --> 00:27:52,253 to Stephanie and the activity around her. 415 00:27:52,337 --> 00:27:54,673 The cards, that's really personal. 416 00:27:54,756 --> 00:27:57,509 You know, moving back and forth, her clothes. 417 00:27:57,634 --> 00:28:00,762 There's so many things pointing to something being 418 00:28:00,845 --> 00:28:05,016 around her that's always around her in particular. 419 00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:07,602 And I'm trying to figure out who this is and why. 420 00:28:07,686 --> 00:28:10,397 I oftentimes clue into an equation 421 00:28:10,522 --> 00:28:13,942 that often happens when people are experiencing interactions 422 00:28:14,025 --> 00:28:15,151 with the Spirit realm. 423 00:28:15,235 --> 00:28:18,029 You have spirits that begin by making sounds, 424 00:28:18,113 --> 00:28:21,032 so the rustling of things in someone's closet 425 00:28:21,116 --> 00:28:23,284 and then moving around personal items. 426 00:28:23,368 --> 00:28:25,704 And from there, it really shows me that this is 427 00:28:25,787 --> 00:28:26,705 just the beginning. 428 00:28:32,001 --> 00:28:34,254 I was on my way back to the dorm one afternoon 429 00:28:34,379 --> 00:28:36,256 when one of my friends from school stopped me 430 00:28:36,381 --> 00:28:37,507 to tell me a story. 431 00:28:39,342 --> 00:28:40,760 Hey, are you OK? 432 00:28:40,885 --> 00:28:43,471 She was sort of flustered, just not right, 433 00:28:43,555 --> 00:28:46,015 and you could tell it in her eyes, she was upset. 434 00:28:46,099 --> 00:28:47,183 I just had this... 435 00:28:47,267 --> 00:28:48,601 She started telling me about this dream 436 00:28:48,727 --> 00:28:50,311 that she was having. 437 00:28:50,395 --> 00:28:52,397 She was absolutely terrified. 438 00:29:01,573 --> 00:29:04,534 At the foot of this bed was this little girl, 439 00:29:04,617 --> 00:29:06,202 and she was smiling at her. 440 00:29:09,289 --> 00:29:11,875 That innate panic just ripped through her. 441 00:29:11,958 --> 00:29:13,084 I don't know what to do. 442 00:29:13,209 --> 00:29:15,086 I was very much of the opinion, you know, 443 00:29:15,211 --> 00:29:17,589 it's a bad dream, just chill out, it'll be fine. 444 00:29:30,143 --> 00:29:32,145 ] 445 00:29:33,855 --> 00:29:37,025 A couple of days later, I actually had another friend 446 00:29:37,108 --> 00:29:38,151 come up to me. 447 00:29:38,276 --> 00:29:39,819 So, where'd you go? Are you OK? 448 00:29:39,944 --> 00:29:42,030 And she started telling me about this really strange dream 449 00:29:42,113 --> 00:29:43,948 that she had had. - And she was there again. 450 00:29:44,073 --> 00:29:46,951 Her face was there. She started to smile. 451 00:29:47,076 --> 00:29:49,162 She had woken up inside a bathtub. 452 00:29:55,251 --> 00:29:57,170 And standing on the end of this bathtub 453 00:29:57,295 --> 00:29:58,296 was this little girl. 454 00:30:00,089 --> 00:30:02,467 And that she was terrified. 455 00:30:08,223 --> 00:30:09,432 I don't even know if it was real. 456 00:30:10,725 --> 00:30:12,185 These girls were in entirely different programs. 457 00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:14,103 They were in entirely different dorms. 458 00:30:14,187 --> 00:30:17,315 They were in entirely different years at college. 459 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,150 There was no crossover. 460 00:30:19,275 --> 00:30:21,694 This was no longer just a weird dream. 461 00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:23,822 I didn't know what it was, and I didn't know why it was 462 00:30:23,947 --> 00:30:27,325 freaking them out, but I knew that it was something. 463 00:30:30,453 --> 00:30:32,705 When it comes to, like, that many people having 464 00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:36,417 the same dreams, I wouldn't say it's necessarily paranormal, 465 00:30:36,501 --> 00:30:37,627 but it could be. 466 00:30:37,710 --> 00:30:40,171 I feel like everyone's naturally just feeling her, 467 00:30:40,255 --> 00:30:43,508 because wherever she came from, 468 00:30:43,591 --> 00:30:45,468 pretty strong, pretty powerful. 469 00:30:45,552 --> 00:30:48,471 My belief supports the fact that when we go to sleep, 470 00:30:48,555 --> 00:30:50,348 we are in different states of consciousness, 471 00:30:50,473 --> 00:30:53,726 and therefore we are in a state where we might be more 472 00:30:53,852 --> 00:30:57,021 susceptible to the spirit realm that is around us already. 473 00:30:57,105 --> 00:31:00,233 We have to ask questions here around what is the intent 474 00:31:00,358 --> 00:31:02,068 of this so-called child spirit. 475 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,124 I was trained to think like an anthropologist, 476 00:31:16,207 --> 00:31:18,543 which means that if you don't understand something, 477 00:31:18,668 --> 00:31:20,044 you do research. 478 00:31:20,169 --> 00:31:23,756 I thought something was trying to show itself with the dreams 479 00:31:23,882 --> 00:31:25,049 and what happened with the cards. 480 00:31:26,384 --> 00:31:29,637 When I started trying to dig around and find things 481 00:31:29,721 --> 00:31:33,182 about this particular story and those particular dreams, 482 00:31:33,266 --> 00:31:37,145 I couldn't find anything that truly matched. 483 00:31:37,228 --> 00:31:39,272 And then I started thinking about paranormal things 484 00:31:39,397 --> 00:31:40,565 that were known to smile. 485 00:31:41,691 --> 00:31:44,402 I found out there was something kind of similar out there, 486 00:31:44,485 --> 00:31:46,404 a story that has been circulating for years 487 00:31:46,529 --> 00:31:47,739 about a smiling man. 488 00:31:50,825 --> 00:31:52,076 So, the smiling man is-- 489 00:31:52,201 --> 00:31:54,370 another term for it is "Creepypasta," 490 00:31:54,454 --> 00:31:56,331 an online ghost story. 491 00:31:56,414 --> 00:32:00,084 When it comes to the smile, it's not just a regular smile. 492 00:32:00,168 --> 00:32:02,295 It actually has a threat behind it, 493 00:32:02,420 --> 00:32:04,589 almost like "I'm out to get you." 494 00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:08,217 We need to pay attention to what it feels like when you see 495 00:32:08,301 --> 00:32:11,387 this little girl or this child and the smile. 496 00:32:11,471 --> 00:32:12,764 What does the smile mean? 497 00:32:12,889 --> 00:32:15,058 And I think oftentimes our internal 498 00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:18,686 compass feels what that is. 499 00:32:21,856 --> 00:32:23,107 I lived on a suitcase campus. 500 00:32:23,232 --> 00:32:25,068 Pretty much everyone went home for the weekends, 501 00:32:25,151 --> 00:32:26,778 and I very much did not. 502 00:32:26,903 --> 00:32:28,613 I liked being on campus when it was quiet. 503 00:32:28,738 --> 00:32:32,951 I got a lot of work done then, but it is a very lonely place. 504 00:32:43,252 --> 00:32:45,296 I hated doing laundry because the laundry room was 505 00:32:45,380 --> 00:32:48,299 in the basement in the oldest, creepiest part of the building. 506 00:33:04,649 --> 00:33:08,194 I can feel eyes boring into the backs of my shoulders. 507 00:33:28,381 --> 00:33:32,051 It just becomes this sort of overwhelming, almost itchy 508 00:33:32,176 --> 00:33:34,303 sort of situation where all I want to do is 509 00:33:34,387 --> 00:33:36,264 turn around and see who is there. 510 00:33:42,311 --> 00:33:44,856 And I heard something growl right behind me. 511 00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:47,025 My stomach dropped. 512 00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:53,531 I was done. 513 00:33:57,452 --> 00:34:00,538 There are spirits that will masquerade themselves 514 00:34:00,621 --> 00:34:05,668 as children to lure people in because of the fact 515 00:34:05,752 --> 00:34:08,504 that I think, as human beings, our hearts 516 00:34:08,588 --> 00:34:10,048 always go out to them. 517 00:34:10,131 --> 00:34:15,970 So spirits know this and they'll attack that desire. 518 00:34:16,054 --> 00:34:18,723 My roommate was in the room at the time and I told her 519 00:34:18,806 --> 00:34:19,807 what had just happened. 520 00:34:21,225 --> 00:34:24,395 She actually told me that I was going to hell, 521 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:25,980 but then something else happened. 522 00:34:27,899 --> 00:34:30,568 Stephanie avoids the basement for as long as she can, 523 00:34:30,651 --> 00:34:32,445 but eventually she has to go down there. 524 00:35:19,075 --> 00:35:22,161 I ended up falling about a third of the way down the stairs 525 00:35:22,245 --> 00:35:25,039 before I actually caught myself on the banister. 526 00:35:27,875 --> 00:35:31,295 And standing right there was a little child 527 00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:36,884 staring at me, these glittering eyes and this big, big smile. 528 00:35:39,887 --> 00:35:42,265 I knew in my heart that that was the same entity 529 00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:44,350 that my friends had been seeing in their dreams. 530 00:35:49,689 --> 00:35:52,024 I ran back to the top of that staircase, 531 00:35:52,108 --> 00:35:53,151 planning on grabbing her. 532 00:35:53,276 --> 00:35:55,361 Like, that is what I wanted to do in that moment. 533 00:35:56,863 --> 00:35:58,781 By the time I got to the top of those stairs, 534 00:36:01,534 --> 00:36:03,744 she was gone. 535 00:36:03,828 --> 00:36:06,873 When you have certain elements that are presenting themselves, 536 00:36:06,956 --> 00:36:10,042 such as the fact that there is a child here, you wanna look 537 00:36:10,126 --> 00:36:12,587 around and do some research and figure out, you know, 538 00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:14,380 are there deaths of children in the area? 539 00:36:17,091 --> 00:36:19,969 Just a few miles up the road is Irvington House, 540 00:36:20,094 --> 00:36:22,138 where Elizabeth Irvine, who married her cousin 541 00:36:22,221 --> 00:36:24,974 William Irvine, they had five children. 542 00:36:25,099 --> 00:36:27,101 They all died in infancy. 543 00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:29,937 I believe one died of typhoid fever. 544 00:36:33,733 --> 00:36:36,903 I wonder if the spirit of one of her children could be 545 00:36:36,986 --> 00:36:38,279 haunting Stephanie. 546 00:36:38,362 --> 00:36:40,156 And if that's the case, what would they want 547 00:36:40,281 --> 00:36:41,282 with Stephanie? 548 00:36:45,453 --> 00:36:46,829 She had... 549 00:36:49,290 --> 00:36:50,291 ...pushed me. 550 00:36:51,292 --> 00:36:52,919 She was excited by what she had done. 551 00:36:53,002 --> 00:36:55,213 She was excited by what had happened. 552 00:36:55,338 --> 00:36:58,341 She was happy about it. She was no longer just a dream. 553 00:36:59,342 --> 00:37:00,468 And I was terrified. 554 00:37:08,017 --> 00:37:09,810 What are you doing? 555 00:37:09,894 --> 00:37:11,729 Nothing. 556 00:37:11,854 --> 00:37:14,523 When I went back to the dorm room to tell my roommate 557 00:37:14,607 --> 00:37:15,733 about what had happened, 558 00:37:16,734 --> 00:37:17,777 I've seen her... 559 00:37:18,778 --> 00:37:20,321 in the laundry room, and she... 560 00:37:21,948 --> 00:37:25,201 she grabbed my leg and she pulled me down the stairs. 561 00:37:25,284 --> 00:37:27,119 I did not expect what happened. 562 00:37:28,204 --> 00:37:29,330 I don't know. 563 00:37:33,542 --> 00:37:36,504 My roommate told me about a trip that her family 564 00:37:36,587 --> 00:37:39,173 had been on recently to the Caribbean. 565 00:37:40,216 --> 00:37:42,969 Her family was religious, and they wanted to spread 566 00:37:43,052 --> 00:37:44,804 their religion with anyone they could. 567 00:37:46,222 --> 00:37:48,766 And so they were just trying to talk to and touch 568 00:37:48,891 --> 00:37:50,893 as many people as they could, 569 00:37:50,977 --> 00:37:53,771 and it rubbed someone the wrong way. 570 00:37:56,482 --> 00:37:58,317 Before they left, her parents were given a gift. 571 00:38:01,237 --> 00:38:02,738 And that gift was a string of beads, 572 00:38:02,863 --> 00:38:04,615 and they brought it back to their family home, 573 00:38:04,740 --> 00:38:07,827 and suddenly they started having issues. 574 00:38:11,998 --> 00:38:15,209 We oftentimes hear of people doing these mission trips 575 00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:17,670 without really realizing the atmosphere, 576 00:38:17,753 --> 00:38:20,298 the culture, the history of the people there, 577 00:38:20,423 --> 00:38:23,009 and so you just have to be really careful if you're going 578 00:38:23,092 --> 00:38:24,302 and doing that kind of work. 579 00:38:25,886 --> 00:38:28,764 There are many cultures that will fuse energy 580 00:38:28,889 --> 00:38:32,810 into certain objects or items, and you just have to be 581 00:38:32,935 --> 00:38:35,771 really careful about what kind of energy could be in there. 582 00:38:38,065 --> 00:38:39,066 Stand up. 583 00:38:40,234 --> 00:38:42,111 Just stand up. I've got to show you something. 584 00:38:46,073 --> 00:38:49,035 So I know what you're talking about. 585 00:38:58,294 --> 00:39:00,755 So to protect her parents, my roommate took away the beads 586 00:39:00,838 --> 00:39:02,131 and brought them to her college campus. 587 00:39:03,257 --> 00:39:04,508 And she put them under my bed. 588 00:39:18,606 --> 00:39:20,900 As Soon as they brought the beads into their home, 589 00:39:20,983 --> 00:39:22,068 activity started. 590 00:39:22,151 --> 00:39:23,694 And as soon as the beads left their home, 591 00:39:23,819 --> 00:39:25,279 the activity stopped. 592 00:39:25,363 --> 00:39:26,655 And as soon as the beads got to campus, 593 00:39:26,781 --> 00:39:27,990 activity started there. 594 00:39:31,660 --> 00:39:33,204 It was a eureka moment. 595 00:39:33,329 --> 00:39:35,331 I knew that that's what had to be happening. 596 00:39:35,414 --> 00:39:38,000 After she told me what had happened at her parents' house 597 00:39:38,084 --> 00:39:40,169 and looking at when she brought the beads to campus 598 00:39:40,252 --> 00:39:43,506 versus when the dreams of my friends started happening, 599 00:39:43,631 --> 00:39:44,882 it all made sense. 600 00:39:47,802 --> 00:39:49,887 So the revenge in this case is pretty much twofold. 601 00:39:50,012 --> 00:39:53,057 You have the roommate, who knew what would happen 602 00:39:53,182 --> 00:39:55,893 if she had the beads, placed it under Stephanie's bed, 603 00:39:56,018 --> 00:39:58,104 possibly because they just did not get along 604 00:39:58,187 --> 00:40:00,898 or Stephanie did not have the same beliefs 605 00:40:01,023 --> 00:40:02,191 as the roommate. 606 00:40:02,274 --> 00:40:05,361 Then you also have the spirit, who is vengeful. 607 00:40:05,444 --> 00:40:07,571 You know, the parents were given the beads 608 00:40:07,696 --> 00:40:10,324 because they were trying to shove their religion down 609 00:40:10,408 --> 00:40:11,409 someone's throat. 610 00:40:14,829 --> 00:40:18,416 I had very few options on what to do with the beads 611 00:40:18,541 --> 00:40:19,708 to get the entity off campus. 612 00:40:31,762 --> 00:40:33,055 I took them into the woods. 613 00:40:35,015 --> 00:40:36,350 I wrapped them around a rock. 614 00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:44,358 And I threw them in the bottom of a river. 615 00:40:48,279 --> 00:40:51,073 That way, this little girl, this entity, when she came 616 00:40:51,157 --> 00:40:54,368 loose off of the beads, she could return to where 617 00:40:54,452 --> 00:40:57,955 she is from, and she could not hurt anyone down there. 618 00:41:12,094 --> 00:41:16,223 Water has a very powerful spirit attached to it. 619 00:41:16,307 --> 00:41:19,477 It has qualities of rejuvenation, of cleansing. 620 00:41:19,602 --> 00:41:24,064 So Stephanie going and putting those beads there is just 621 00:41:24,148 --> 00:41:25,774 really great intuitively. 622 00:41:25,858 --> 00:41:28,944 This is a really fascinating case around revenge. 623 00:41:29,028 --> 00:41:33,616 And hopefully, by Stephanie's actions, she sees a resolve 624 00:41:33,741 --> 00:41:36,702 and that this spirit that was attached to these beads has 625 00:41:36,785 --> 00:41:39,205 moved on or potentially is on their spirit journey. 626 00:41:41,290 --> 00:41:43,834 After I threw the beads and the river, 627 00:41:43,959 --> 00:41:45,419 we never saw her again. 628 00:41:45,503 --> 00:41:47,713 And nobody reported any other dreams on campus. 629 00:41:47,796 --> 00:41:48,881 So I do believe it worked. 630 00:41:51,091 --> 00:41:52,593 I have no resentment to the people that attached 631 00:41:52,676 --> 00:41:53,594 her to the beads. 632 00:41:53,677 --> 00:41:55,596 They were trying to protect their culture, 633 00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:59,016 their beliefs, their home. I was not the intended target. 634 00:41:59,141 --> 00:42:01,060 I was not the object of their revenge. 635 00:42:01,143 --> 00:42:03,687 I was simply collateral damage in the situation. 49792

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