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She turned around
and she waved at me.
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That's the last time
I saw Barbara Nichols.
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The authorities have no leads.
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My dorm was the oldest dorm
at that point on campus.
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Strange events started
to take place.
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There was definitely
that feeling of being watched,
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that feeling
of sort of pressure.
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This case takes us deep
into the self.
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Somebody or something
lured her to that pond.
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What kind of creature
can kill without a trace?
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It just becomes
this sort of overwhelming,
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almost itchy sort of sensation
where all I want to do is
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turn around and see
who is there.
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A lot of the times,
he would find the beagle dead
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in Barbara Nichols' pond.
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What's killing the dogs?
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I don't believe
in the supernatural too much,
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but there's something about
this seems to be supernatural.
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The level of fear was 10.
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She was no longer
just a dream.
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And I was terrified.
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This case has all the markings
of a paranormal revenge.
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I ain't never lived
anywhere else,
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so Johnston County is
home to me.
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It used to be really rural.
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Everybody was mostly
a tobacco farmer
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or some kind of farmer
in some kind of way.
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And I know that sounds
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old-fashioned, but basically
that's exactly what we did.
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That's the way life was for us
in Johnston County.
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It's a place full of stories,
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old as the land.
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Story that lives
in these deep woods
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and in the stink of the swamps.
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Dark things, witches.
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Ghosts...
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Things that put
the fear of God in you.
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I first met Barbara Nichols
when she come
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to our little grade school
in Corinth Holders.
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We rode to school
back and forth together
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on the same bus,
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but I really didn't talk
to her because I was
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just infatuated with her.
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Barbara Nichols walked
off the bus,
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and I was looking at her
the whole time
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with my little puppy love.
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And she turned around,
and she waved at me.
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And I waved back at her.
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And we just kept waving
back and forth at each other.
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And that's when I knew
that she liked me
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as much as I liked her.
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I saw her turn around
and start walking down
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that long mile
back at her house.
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And that's the last time
I saw Barbara Nichols.
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It was a sad day.
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Richard Estep, Todd Narron,
take one.
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This is an unusual
and fascinating case.
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It's got so many elements
we don't usually see.
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Erin Goodpipe, take one.
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This case takes us deep
into the South,
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where there are swamps,
a lot of histories,
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a lot of legends and lore,
and ultimately
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the disappearance
of a little girl
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that takes us on a journey with
a lot of unexpected outcomes.
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This is the direction
that our bus would come from
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every day from school.
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And this is the last time
I saw Barbara Nichols
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when she got off the bus
that day.
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Everyday she had to get off
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and walk down this path
about a mile to her house.
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This is Barbara Nichols' house.
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And you can see it's run-down,
and it was run-down
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way back then.
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Nobody wouldn't rent to 'em.
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And the reason being is
'cause the whole family
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came from Ohio.
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Even more than 100 years
after the end of the Civil War,
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resentments and hatred still
run strong in the South
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regarding the North
and Northerners.
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Barbara might be paying
the price for something
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that happened more
than a century
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before she was even born.
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Then again, there are even
darker, more grim possibilities
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that we should consider.
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Barbara's father drank a lot,
and he would use up
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a lot of the money.
But her mama was real smart,
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and she did all she could do
to save her money.
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And she would put
in window panes.
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They say she cut down all
the brush, painted the house,
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fixed everything up
as far as she could.
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She did everything she could,
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and she got the house
looking decent.
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This is where
Barbara Nichols come
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when she got off the bus
every day.
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On this particular day,
she just disappeared.
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There was a farmer had a dog
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and Bingo was his name, oh.
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B-I-N-G-O,
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B-I...
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Her mother and father
had missed her...
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not getting home.
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And they went down to the road,
and they started stopping cars.
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They would start saying,
"Our daughter's missing,
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"our daughter's missing.
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Has anybody seen Barbara?"
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The local police department is
in a frenzy and they coordinate
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a huge search, bringing in
neighbors, the fire department,
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any volunteer that will help,
scour the thick woods
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around the missing girl's home
for any sign
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of where she has gone.
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At first glance,
this case really appears
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to be cut-and-dry.
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Maybe there is a predator,
a stalker, a pedophile,
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that is preying
on little Barbara Nichols.
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At this point,
the evidence takes
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a really interesting turn.
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One of the things Barbara
Nichols had to do every day
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after school
was pass by this pond.
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About 9 o'clock
the next morning,
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they found her...
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floating in the little pond
that was near her house.
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We all went to school
the next day,
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and then our teachers
announced it to us
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that Barbara Nichols was gone.
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And we were all shocked.
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We knew old people died.
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We didn't realize
that young people died, too.
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And it broke my heart.
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That was the end
of Barbara Nichols.
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And it was basically the end
of the Barbara Nichols family
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because they couldn't stand it
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And they eventually moved.
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The authorities have no leads.
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We have to take in the fact
that Barbara Nichols goes
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down this path every single day.
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It takes her about
15 to 20 minutes to get
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from where the bus stops
to her home.
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So we need to consider,
you know, who knows
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this information?
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Who or what did she encounter
along the way?
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We don't know what happened,
but she ended up
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inside the pond,
and she drowned.
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And that was the end
of Barbara Nichols.
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There was somebody that had
bad intentions for Barbara.
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Then maybe somebody
knew Barbara's
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uh, routine.
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They could have knew
that she went
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down that path every day.
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This is every parent's
worst nightmare.
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Seven-year-old Barbara Nichols
has possibly been killed
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by a child predator.
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That's the conclusion
that we would jump to at first,
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but as the police investigate
the case further,
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it's not where
the evidence points.
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The autopsy shows
that she died by drowning.
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Why did she stray
from this path
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and end up in the pond?
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Barbara Nichols' body
doesn't have any trauma on it,
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which suggests that somebody
or something lured her
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to that pond.
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What I heard was
death by drowning.
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It didn't say anything about...
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blunt-force trauma
or anything like that.
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It just said she drowned.
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And what they had found
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was tracks all around
that pond.
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Whoever made these tracks
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was walking on four legs.
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What was found at the pond
were a number of different
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animal tracks where
Barbara Nichols died.
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So, now this takes a turn.
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Now the community is
in this state of thinking
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of superstitions.
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People are talking
and they wanna know
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what kind of animal it is
that can kill a little girl
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without leaving a single mark
on her body.
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What kind of creature can kill
without a trace?
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Are we dealing with something
that is not, in fact,
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of this realm?
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From then on,
we figured that it had to be
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something supernatural,
but there's nothing
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we can prove.
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All of us little kids put
the death of a child
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as a ghost being there.
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And our imaginations were wild.
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That's when things started
to look a little strange.
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Hunters would go in there
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to the woody part
of the property
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and let their dogs out,
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and they would hunt rabbits
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and the dogs would go
and sniff out rabbits.
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But a lot of times, one or two
of the dogs wouldn't come back
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at the end of the day,
and the hunt was over.
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And they would go back
day after day,
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calling for that dog.
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Buddy!
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Buddy!
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And eventually,
a lot of the times,
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he would find the beagle dead
in Barbara Nichols' pond,
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and they would be drowned.
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The hunters stopped hunting
around that pond
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because they didn't want to take
the chance on losing a dog.
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It really sent a chill
through this community.
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There's a local legend
about a ferocious entity
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known as
the Beast of Bladenboro.
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It terrorized everybody
in Bladenboro, pretty much.
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I mean, it scared people.
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Well, I don't believe
in the supernatural too much,
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but there's something about
this thing to be supernatural.
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Bladenboro is a small town
85 miles south
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of where Barbara Nichols' body
was found.
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According to witnesses,
the creature looks similar
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to a monstrous black panther,
or great cat.
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Over the years,
multiple hunter parties were
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arranged to try and hunt
and kill this mystical beast,
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but it was never found.
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Is it possible that whatever
took Barbara and killed
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these hunting dogs was
something paranormal?
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A closer look at the tracks
found in the scene
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give us that answer.
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These animal prints
that they found around
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Barbara's body,
there wasn't just one.
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There was at least
half a dozen,
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like a pack of animals.
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What people did back then was,
if you didn't want your dog
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no more, what you did was
took him to the woods.
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And that was your way of giving
the dog a chance
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to live instead of just
shooting the dog.
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B-I-N-G-O,
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B-I-N-G--
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They were able to conclude
that there was just,
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that there was
a whole pack of dogs.
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We don't know what happened.
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Maybe the dogs were just
too fast for her,
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or what happened, but she ended
up inside the pond.
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But it turns out that was
only half the truth.
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Now it becomes clear
that it's more than likely
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the wild dogs led
to Barbara Nichols' death.
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But the question is,
what's killing the dogs?
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Over the next week and months,
the same thing kept happening.
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Hunting dogs found missing
and found dead by the pond.
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It got to be so bad
that people stopped fishing
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in-- in--
Barbara Nichols' pond.
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They were scared of it.
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12 years had passed
since Barbara Nichols' incident.
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And my uncle from Wake County
had called, and he was
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a big hunter and fisherman.
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And he asked me if I would like
to go frog gigging.
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I'll tell you a little bit
about frog gigging.
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First of all, you need a boat,
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in this case a jon boat,
and you need a trident.
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And you go along the shore,
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as slow as you can, and you put
a bright light on the bank
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and you look for two shiny
little eyes or a yellow throat,
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then you know it's a bullfrog.
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You see his size,
he's big enough,
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you know he's good to eat.
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And when you see him,
you stick him just like that.
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Everywhere I took him,
there was no frogs.
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So I took one chance
and I thought, well,
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Barbara Nichols' pond hasn't
been missed with in years,
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and there's gotta be
frogs there.
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We get into the water,
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and we start going
around the pond,
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and Immediately I started
thinking about Barbara Nichols.
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I just thought,
"It's not the place to be."
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Bingo was
his name--
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We hear a dog,
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and he's far away.
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And then the dog's getting
closer and closer
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and closer and barking.
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We see him, and it's a hound.
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And the dog jumps-- jumps
completely into the water...
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...and starts dog-paddling
toward us as fast as he can go.
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We're scared.
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We don't know
if he's got rabies.
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We don't know what is up
with this dog,
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but we know he's coming
straight for us.
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Oh, hell!
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All of a sudden, he's close.
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And he just-- is sucked under.
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And he is gone.
There's no more noise.
283
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There's no more nothing.
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He's gone.
Where'd he go?
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We didn't have a reason
for why the dog...
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was just all of a sudden
sucked down into the water.
287
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There are no getters
in North Carolina.
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Go, go, go, go, go.
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We don't worry
about anything else.
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All we worry about is getting
back onto the truck,
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and we get out of there.
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Let's go.
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Come on, come on,
come on.
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There was a farmer
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had a dog...
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And Bingo was his name, oh.
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B-I-N-G-O,
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B-I-N-G-O,
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B-I-N-G-O...
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My level of fear was--
was 10...
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because...
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I felt that I knew
what it was
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that had done it.
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There's no doubt in my mind,
it was Barbara Nichols
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who took that dog.
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This case has all the markings
of a paranormal revenge.
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You have little Barbara Nichols
who has died at this pond
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very tragically, and probably
in a horrific manner,
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considering all
of the animal tracks
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that were present
during her death.
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That's a motive for revenge
on any other dog,
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innocent or not, that strays
into the vicinity of the pond.
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It was a definitely act
of revenge.
314
00:20:15,589 --> 00:20:18,342
And it's sad so many good dogs
had to die.
315
00:20:18,467 --> 00:20:21,053
But see, it is even sadder
that she had to die there, too.
316
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This pond is still here
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after all these years.
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And it's been a lot of years.
319
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And it's still called
Barbara Nichols' pond.
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I haven't been back in years.
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It's kinda...
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eerie to be back here.
323
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It brings back
a lot of memories.
324
00:20:57,089 --> 00:20:59,883
She'd be--
have her own family now,
325
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her own kids.
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Just like the rest of us.
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But that one day,
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just one day
and one moment in time
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changed everything.
330
00:21:23,699 --> 00:21:27,119
It shows the tragedy of when
you have children's spirits
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who are remaining
in this realm,
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either trapped or unable to find
some sort of peace
333
00:21:33,834 --> 00:21:36,253
to keep continuing
on their journey.
334
00:21:36,378 --> 00:21:38,880
And in this case,
Barbara Nichols is,
335
00:21:39,006 --> 00:21:41,425
for some reason, deciding
to stay here.
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♪ B-I-N-G-O... ♪
337
00:21:46,763 --> 00:21:48,598
I do know that there's
a paranormal world,
338
00:21:50,350 --> 00:21:55,564
and revenge
and other emotions keep going
339
00:21:56,565 --> 00:22:00,068
long after... we're gone.
340
00:22:23,467 --> 00:22:25,469
I grew up in a small city
in western Kentucky
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called Madisonville.
342
00:22:28,889 --> 00:22:31,224
It is farm fields,
it is forests,
343
00:22:32,434 --> 00:22:36,396
it is very religious.
There's not much going on.
344
00:22:36,521 --> 00:22:38,315
That life very much did not
appeal to me.
345
00:22:42,652 --> 00:22:43,737
When I graduated
from high school,
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00:22:43,862 --> 00:22:46,656
I went to a college
in Eastern Kentucky,
347
00:22:48,241 --> 00:22:50,035
and I was in the honors
program there.
348
00:22:51,953 --> 00:22:54,414
I was double majoring
in History and Anthropology.
349
00:22:56,249 --> 00:22:57,751
I loved my first couple
of years at school...
350
00:23:00,420 --> 00:23:02,714
until I moved
into the honors dorm.
351
00:23:02,798 --> 00:23:04,758
It was like something
out of a horror movie.
352
00:23:11,098 --> 00:23:13,767
My dorm was the oldest dorm
at that point on campus.
353
00:23:14,893 --> 00:23:17,229
It was an imposing old
brick building
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00:23:17,312 --> 00:23:19,856
with this long sort of veranda
front porch on it.
355
00:23:21,733 --> 00:23:23,693
It looks like something
out of a horror movie,
356
00:23:23,777 --> 00:23:25,862
especially if you're there
on the weekend
357
00:23:25,946 --> 00:23:27,781
and you're the only person
in the building.
358
00:23:27,864 --> 00:23:29,658
It's just big and imposing.
359
00:23:31,827 --> 00:23:35,330
Erin Goodpipe, Steph Bingham,
take two-- five, six.
360
00:23:39,376 --> 00:23:42,003
Stephanie
Bingham's case is
very fascinating
361
00:23:42,129 --> 00:23:43,505
and quite original.
362
00:23:43,630 --> 00:23:45,924
It begins with her moving
into her dormitory
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00:23:46,007 --> 00:23:47,634
at the University of Kentucky.
364
00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:49,845
Tawney Lewis,
Stephanie Bingham, take one.
365
00:23:53,557 --> 00:23:55,976
After moving in the dorm,
strange events started
366
00:23:56,059 --> 00:23:58,645
to take place, which makes me,
as an investigator,
367
00:23:58,728 --> 00:23:59,938
sit up and take notice.
368
00:24:02,315 --> 00:24:05,527
This case has a really
interesting motive.
369
00:24:05,652 --> 00:24:08,488
It all starts when Stephanie
moves in with her roommate.
370
00:24:13,326 --> 00:24:15,787
In my dorm, I shared my room
with another student.
371
00:24:17,497 --> 00:24:18,999
I could tell there was
something just a little
372
00:24:19,124 --> 00:24:20,125
different about her.
373
00:24:21,626 --> 00:24:22,627
She was very religious.
374
00:24:24,504 --> 00:24:26,840
I knew that what she believed
was very different
375
00:24:26,965 --> 00:24:28,550
than the way I'd been raised.
376
00:24:28,675 --> 00:24:32,846
Well, if you want, I have
a prayer meeting on Saturday.
377
00:24:34,514 --> 00:24:37,058
Oh, yeah, maybe.
378
00:24:39,019 --> 00:24:41,980
The portico and not the building
itself, or its store rooms,
379
00:24:42,063 --> 00:24:43,148
its upper rooms and...
380
00:24:43,231 --> 00:24:46,485
- I hope you have a good day.
- Yeah, thanks.
381
00:25:09,549 --> 00:25:11,760
When I was in the building,
there was definitely
382
00:25:11,885 --> 00:25:13,428
that feeling of being watched,
that feeling of
383
00:25:13,553 --> 00:25:14,721
sort of pressure.
384
00:25:26,358 --> 00:25:30,278
Stephanie is starting to feel
that something is off here,
385
00:25:30,403 --> 00:25:32,405
something in the room,
something about her roommate.
386
00:25:32,531 --> 00:25:34,449
There's just an odd feeling.
387
00:25:34,574 --> 00:25:37,160
But things don't start
to take a paranormal turn
388
00:25:37,244 --> 00:25:40,205
until three nights later,
after she moves into her dorm,
389
00:25:40,288 --> 00:25:42,499
which make me,
as an investigator,
390
00:25:42,582 --> 00:25:44,417
begin to question
what's going on here.
391
00:25:48,129 --> 00:25:49,756
I was laying in my bed,
and I saw movement
392
00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:51,091
inside my closet.
393
00:26:10,902 --> 00:26:12,487
I talked to some of the other
girls on the floor,
394
00:26:12,612 --> 00:26:16,199
and they would talk about
seeing movement in their closet
395
00:26:16,283 --> 00:26:18,326
when there was no one in there.
396
00:26:18,451 --> 00:26:21,204
A lot of the girls would
call it Peeping Tom.
397
00:26:25,375 --> 00:26:27,627
So Stephanie and a few other
students in the dorms,
398
00:26:27,711 --> 00:26:31,339
they seem to have issues
with ruffling clothes,
399
00:26:31,464 --> 00:26:33,800
and they all assume
it's a peeping Tom.
400
00:26:33,883 --> 00:26:37,762
But there's no actual evidence
that there's a real person
401
00:26:37,846 --> 00:26:39,097
doing this.
402
00:26:39,180 --> 00:26:41,516
But that's where
I get involved.
403
00:26:41,641 --> 00:26:44,769
I'm wondering, OK,
is this paranormal?
404
00:26:44,853 --> 00:26:45,895
What could this be?
405
00:26:46,980 --> 00:26:49,316
If you're a spirit who is
trying to elicit a sense
406
00:26:49,441 --> 00:26:52,736
of fear, what better place
to do this than to do it
407
00:26:52,819 --> 00:26:54,154
from the closet
or under the bed?
408
00:27:14,633 --> 00:27:16,635
Ow! In our dorm, we had this
wall where we'd hang up cards
409
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:17,761
from our family.
410
00:27:26,686 --> 00:27:30,607
One day I came home, and they
were opening and closing.
411
00:27:39,949 --> 00:27:42,118
Nothing was causing
air movement
412
00:27:42,202 --> 00:27:43,662
in that direction at all.
413
00:27:47,999 --> 00:27:49,751
I'm starting to notice
a pattern when it comes
414
00:27:49,834 --> 00:27:52,253
to Stephanie and the activity
around her.
415
00:27:52,337 --> 00:27:54,673
The cards,
that's really personal.
416
00:27:54,756 --> 00:27:57,509
You know, moving back
and forth, her clothes.
417
00:27:57,634 --> 00:28:00,762
There's so many things pointing
to something being
418
00:28:00,845 --> 00:28:05,016
around her that's always
around her in particular.
419
00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:07,602
And I'm trying to figure out
who this is and why.
420
00:28:07,686 --> 00:28:10,397
I oftentimes clue
into an equation
421
00:28:10,522 --> 00:28:13,942
that often happens when people
are experiencing interactions
422
00:28:14,025 --> 00:28:15,151
with the Spirit realm.
423
00:28:15,235 --> 00:28:18,029
You have spirits that begin
by making sounds,
424
00:28:18,113 --> 00:28:21,032
so the rustling of things
in someone's closet
425
00:28:21,116 --> 00:28:23,284
and then moving around
personal items.
426
00:28:23,368 --> 00:28:25,704
And from there, it really
shows me that this is
427
00:28:25,787 --> 00:28:26,705
just the beginning.
428
00:28:32,001 --> 00:28:34,254
I was on my way back
to the dorm one afternoon
429
00:28:34,379 --> 00:28:36,256
when one of my friends
from school stopped me
430
00:28:36,381 --> 00:28:37,507
to tell me a story.
431
00:28:39,342 --> 00:28:40,760
Hey, are you OK?
432
00:28:40,885 --> 00:28:43,471
She was sort of flustered,
just not right,
433
00:28:43,555 --> 00:28:46,015
and you could tell it
in her eyes, she was upset.
434
00:28:46,099 --> 00:28:47,183
I just had this...
435
00:28:47,267 --> 00:28:48,601
She started telling me
about this dream
436
00:28:48,727 --> 00:28:50,311
that she was having.
437
00:28:50,395 --> 00:28:52,397
She was absolutely terrified.
438
00:29:01,573 --> 00:29:04,534
At the foot of this bed was
this little girl,
439
00:29:04,617 --> 00:29:06,202
and she was smiling at her.
440
00:29:09,289 --> 00:29:11,875
That innate panic just
ripped through her.
441
00:29:11,958 --> 00:29:13,084
I don't know what to do.
442
00:29:13,209 --> 00:29:15,086
I was very much
of the opinion, you know,
443
00:29:15,211 --> 00:29:17,589
it's a bad dream,
just chill out, it'll be fine.
444
00:29:30,143 --> 00:29:32,145
]
445
00:29:33,855 --> 00:29:37,025
A couple of days later,
I actually had another friend
446
00:29:37,108 --> 00:29:38,151
come up to me.
447
00:29:38,276 --> 00:29:39,819
So, where'd you go?
Are you OK?
448
00:29:39,944 --> 00:29:42,030
And she started telling me
about this really strange dream
449
00:29:42,113 --> 00:29:43,948
that she had had.
- And she was there again.
450
00:29:44,073 --> 00:29:46,951
Her face was there.
She started to smile.
451
00:29:47,076 --> 00:29:49,162
She had woken up
inside a bathtub.
452
00:29:55,251 --> 00:29:57,170
And standing on the end
of this bathtub
453
00:29:57,295 --> 00:29:58,296
was this little girl.
454
00:30:00,089 --> 00:30:02,467
And that she was terrified.
455
00:30:08,223 --> 00:30:09,432
I don't even know
if it was real.
456
00:30:10,725 --> 00:30:12,185
These girls were in entirely
different programs.
457
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:14,103
They were in entirely
different dorms.
458
00:30:14,187 --> 00:30:17,315
They were in entirely
different years at college.
459
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,150
There was no crossover.
460
00:30:19,275 --> 00:30:21,694
This was no longer just
a weird dream.
461
00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:23,822
I didn't know what it was,
and I didn't know why it was
462
00:30:23,947 --> 00:30:27,325
freaking them out, but I knew
that it was something.
463
00:30:30,453 --> 00:30:32,705
When it comes to, like,
that many people having
464
00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:36,417
the same dreams, I wouldn't say
it's necessarily paranormal,
465
00:30:36,501 --> 00:30:37,627
but it could be.
466
00:30:37,710 --> 00:30:40,171
I feel like everyone's
naturally just feeling her,
467
00:30:40,255 --> 00:30:43,508
because wherever she came from,
468
00:30:43,591 --> 00:30:45,468
pretty strong, pretty powerful.
469
00:30:45,552 --> 00:30:48,471
My belief supports the fact
that when we go to sleep,
470
00:30:48,555 --> 00:30:50,348
we are in different states
of consciousness,
471
00:30:50,473 --> 00:30:53,726
and therefore we are in a state
where we might be more
472
00:30:53,852 --> 00:30:57,021
susceptible to the spirit realm
that is around us already.
473
00:30:57,105 --> 00:31:00,233
We have to ask questions here
around what is the intent
474
00:31:00,358 --> 00:31:02,068
of this so-called child spirit.
475
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,124
I was trained to think
like an anthropologist,
476
00:31:16,207 --> 00:31:18,543
which means that if you don't
understand something,
477
00:31:18,668 --> 00:31:20,044
you do research.
478
00:31:20,169 --> 00:31:23,756
I thought something was trying
to show itself with the dreams
479
00:31:23,882 --> 00:31:25,049
and what happened
with the cards.
480
00:31:26,384 --> 00:31:29,637
When I started trying to dig
around and find things
481
00:31:29,721 --> 00:31:33,182
about this particular story
and those particular dreams,
482
00:31:33,266 --> 00:31:37,145
I couldn't find anything
that truly matched.
483
00:31:37,228 --> 00:31:39,272
And then I started thinking
about paranormal things
484
00:31:39,397 --> 00:31:40,565
that were known to smile.
485
00:31:41,691 --> 00:31:44,402
I found out there was something
kind of similar out there,
486
00:31:44,485 --> 00:31:46,404
a story that has been
circulating for years
487
00:31:46,529 --> 00:31:47,739
about a smiling man.
488
00:31:50,825 --> 00:31:52,076
So, the smiling man is--
489
00:31:52,201 --> 00:31:54,370
another term for it
is "Creepypasta,"
490
00:31:54,454 --> 00:31:56,331
an online ghost story.
491
00:31:56,414 --> 00:32:00,084
When it comes to the smile,
it's not just a regular smile.
492
00:32:00,168 --> 00:32:02,295
It actually has a threat
behind it,
493
00:32:02,420 --> 00:32:04,589
almost like
"I'm out to get you."
494
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:08,217
We need to pay attention to
what it feels like when you see
495
00:32:08,301 --> 00:32:11,387
this little girl or this child
and the smile.
496
00:32:11,471 --> 00:32:12,764
What does the smile mean?
497
00:32:12,889 --> 00:32:15,058
And I think
oftentimes our internal
498
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:18,686
compass feels what that is.
499
00:32:21,856 --> 00:32:23,107
I lived on a suitcase campus.
500
00:32:23,232 --> 00:32:25,068
Pretty much everyone went home
for the weekends,
501
00:32:25,151 --> 00:32:26,778
and I very much did not.
502
00:32:26,903 --> 00:32:28,613
I liked being on campus
when it was quiet.
503
00:32:28,738 --> 00:32:32,951
I got a lot of work done then,
but it is a very lonely place.
504
00:32:43,252 --> 00:32:45,296
I hated doing laundry
because the laundry room was
505
00:32:45,380 --> 00:32:48,299
in the basement in the oldest,
creepiest part of the building.
506
00:33:04,649 --> 00:33:08,194
I can feel eyes boring into
the backs of my shoulders.
507
00:33:28,381 --> 00:33:32,051
It just becomes this sort
of overwhelming, almost itchy
508
00:33:32,176 --> 00:33:34,303
sort of situation where
all I want to do is
509
00:33:34,387 --> 00:33:36,264
turn around
and see who is there.
510
00:33:42,311 --> 00:33:44,856
And I heard something growl
right behind me.
511
00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:47,025
My stomach dropped.
512
00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:53,531
I was done.
513
00:33:57,452 --> 00:34:00,538
There are spirits that will
masquerade themselves
514
00:34:00,621 --> 00:34:05,668
as children to lure people in
because of the fact
515
00:34:05,752 --> 00:34:08,504
that I think,
as human beings, our hearts
516
00:34:08,588 --> 00:34:10,048
always go out to them.
517
00:34:10,131 --> 00:34:15,970
So spirits know this
and they'll attack that desire.
518
00:34:16,054 --> 00:34:18,723
My roommate was in the room
at the time and I told her
519
00:34:18,806 --> 00:34:19,807
what had just happened.
520
00:34:21,225 --> 00:34:24,395
She actually told me that
I was going to hell,
521
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:25,980
but then something
else happened.
522
00:34:27,899 --> 00:34:30,568
Stephanie avoids the basement
for as long as she can,
523
00:34:30,651 --> 00:34:32,445
but eventually she has to go
down there.
524
00:35:19,075 --> 00:35:22,161
I ended up falling about a third
of the way down the stairs
525
00:35:22,245 --> 00:35:25,039
before I actually caught myself
on the banister.
526
00:35:27,875 --> 00:35:31,295
And standing right there was
a little child
527
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:36,884
staring at me, these glittering
eyes and this big, big smile.
528
00:35:39,887 --> 00:35:42,265
I knew in my heart that
that was the same entity
529
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:44,350
that my friends had been seeing
in their dreams.
530
00:35:49,689 --> 00:35:52,024
I ran back to the top
of that staircase,
531
00:35:52,108 --> 00:35:53,151
planning on grabbing her.
532
00:35:53,276 --> 00:35:55,361
Like, that is what I wanted
to do in that moment.
533
00:35:56,863 --> 00:35:58,781
By the time I got to the top
of those stairs,
534
00:36:01,534 --> 00:36:03,744
she was gone.
535
00:36:03,828 --> 00:36:06,873
When you have certain elements
that are presenting themselves,
536
00:36:06,956 --> 00:36:10,042
such as the fact that there is
a child here, you wanna look
537
00:36:10,126 --> 00:36:12,587
around and do some research
and figure out, you know,
538
00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:14,380
are there deaths of children
in the area?
539
00:36:17,091 --> 00:36:19,969
Just a few miles up the road
is Irvington House,
540
00:36:20,094 --> 00:36:22,138
where Elizabeth Irvine,
who married her cousin
541
00:36:22,221 --> 00:36:24,974
William Irvine,
they had five children.
542
00:36:25,099 --> 00:36:27,101
They all died in infancy.
543
00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:29,937
I believe
one died of typhoid fever.
544
00:36:33,733 --> 00:36:36,903
I wonder if the spirit of one
of her children could be
545
00:36:36,986 --> 00:36:38,279
haunting Stephanie.
546
00:36:38,362 --> 00:36:40,156
And if that's the case,
what would they want
547
00:36:40,281 --> 00:36:41,282
with Stephanie?
548
00:36:45,453 --> 00:36:46,829
She had...
549
00:36:49,290 --> 00:36:50,291
...pushed me.
550
00:36:51,292 --> 00:36:52,919
She was excited
by what she had done.
551
00:36:53,002 --> 00:36:55,213
She was excited
by what had happened.
552
00:36:55,338 --> 00:36:58,341
She was happy about it.
She was no longer just a dream.
553
00:36:59,342 --> 00:37:00,468
And I was terrified.
554
00:37:08,017 --> 00:37:09,810
What are you doing?
555
00:37:09,894 --> 00:37:11,729
Nothing.
556
00:37:11,854 --> 00:37:14,523
When I went back to the dorm
room to tell my roommate
557
00:37:14,607 --> 00:37:15,733
about what had happened,
558
00:37:16,734 --> 00:37:17,777
I've seen her...
559
00:37:18,778 --> 00:37:20,321
in the laundry room,
and she...
560
00:37:21,948 --> 00:37:25,201
she grabbed my leg and
she pulled me down the stairs.
561
00:37:25,284 --> 00:37:27,119
I did not expect what happened.
562
00:37:28,204 --> 00:37:29,330
I don't know.
563
00:37:33,542 --> 00:37:36,504
My roommate told me
about a trip that her family
564
00:37:36,587 --> 00:37:39,173
had been on recently
to the Caribbean.
565
00:37:40,216 --> 00:37:42,969
Her family was religious,
and they wanted to spread
566
00:37:43,052 --> 00:37:44,804
their religion
with anyone they could.
567
00:37:46,222 --> 00:37:48,766
And so they were just trying
to talk to and touch
568
00:37:48,891 --> 00:37:50,893
as many people as they could,
569
00:37:50,977 --> 00:37:53,771
and it rubbed someone
the wrong way.
570
00:37:56,482 --> 00:37:58,317
Before they left,
her parents were given a gift.
571
00:38:01,237 --> 00:38:02,738
And that gift was
a string of beads,
572
00:38:02,863 --> 00:38:04,615
and they brought it back
to their family home,
573
00:38:04,740 --> 00:38:07,827
and suddenly they started
having issues.
574
00:38:11,998 --> 00:38:15,209
We oftentimes hear of people
doing these mission trips
575
00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:17,670
without really
realizing the atmosphere,
576
00:38:17,753 --> 00:38:20,298
the culture, the history
of the people there,
577
00:38:20,423 --> 00:38:23,009
and so you just have to be
really careful if you're going
578
00:38:23,092 --> 00:38:24,302
and doing that kind of work.
579
00:38:25,886 --> 00:38:28,764
There are many cultures
that will fuse energy
580
00:38:28,889 --> 00:38:32,810
into certain objects or items,
and you just have to be
581
00:38:32,935 --> 00:38:35,771
really careful about what kind
of energy could be in there.
582
00:38:38,065 --> 00:38:39,066
Stand up.
583
00:38:40,234 --> 00:38:42,111
Just stand up.
I've got to show you something.
584
00:38:46,073 --> 00:38:49,035
So I know what you're
talking about.
585
00:38:58,294 --> 00:39:00,755
So to protect her parents,
my roommate took away the beads
586
00:39:00,838 --> 00:39:02,131
and brought them
to her college campus.
587
00:39:03,257 --> 00:39:04,508
And she put them under my bed.
588
00:39:18,606 --> 00:39:20,900
As Soon as they brought
the beads into their home,
589
00:39:20,983 --> 00:39:22,068
activity started.
590
00:39:22,151 --> 00:39:23,694
And as soon as the beads
left their home,
591
00:39:23,819 --> 00:39:25,279
the activity stopped.
592
00:39:25,363 --> 00:39:26,655
And as soon as the beads got
to campus,
593
00:39:26,781 --> 00:39:27,990
activity started there.
594
00:39:31,660 --> 00:39:33,204
It was a eureka moment.
595
00:39:33,329 --> 00:39:35,331
I knew that that's what had
to be happening.
596
00:39:35,414 --> 00:39:38,000
After she told me what had
happened at her parents' house
597
00:39:38,084 --> 00:39:40,169
and looking at when she brought
the beads to campus
598
00:39:40,252 --> 00:39:43,506
versus when the dreams
of my friends started happening,
599
00:39:43,631 --> 00:39:44,882
it all made sense.
600
00:39:47,802 --> 00:39:49,887
So the revenge in this case is
pretty much twofold.
601
00:39:50,012 --> 00:39:53,057
You have the roommate,
who knew what would happen
602
00:39:53,182 --> 00:39:55,893
if she had the beads, placed it
under Stephanie's bed,
603
00:39:56,018 --> 00:39:58,104
possibly because they just
did not get along
604
00:39:58,187 --> 00:40:00,898
or Stephanie did not have
the same beliefs
605
00:40:01,023 --> 00:40:02,191
as the roommate.
606
00:40:02,274 --> 00:40:05,361
Then you also have the spirit,
who is vengeful.
607
00:40:05,444 --> 00:40:07,571
You know, the parents were
given the beads
608
00:40:07,696 --> 00:40:10,324
because they were trying to
shove their religion down
609
00:40:10,408 --> 00:40:11,409
someone's throat.
610
00:40:14,829 --> 00:40:18,416
I had very few options
on what to do with the beads
611
00:40:18,541 --> 00:40:19,708
to get the entity off campus.
612
00:40:31,762 --> 00:40:33,055
I took them into the woods.
613
00:40:35,015 --> 00:40:36,350
I wrapped them around a rock.
614
00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:44,358
And I threw them in the bottom
of a river.
615
00:40:48,279 --> 00:40:51,073
That way, this little girl,
this entity, when she came
616
00:40:51,157 --> 00:40:54,368
loose off of the beads,
she could return to where
617
00:40:54,452 --> 00:40:57,955
she is from, and she could not
hurt anyone down there.
618
00:41:12,094 --> 00:41:16,223
Water has a very powerful
spirit attached to it.
619
00:41:16,307 --> 00:41:19,477
It has qualities
of rejuvenation, of cleansing.
620
00:41:19,602 --> 00:41:24,064
So Stephanie going and putting
those beads there is just
621
00:41:24,148 --> 00:41:25,774
really great intuitively.
622
00:41:25,858 --> 00:41:28,944
This is a really fascinating
case around revenge.
623
00:41:29,028 --> 00:41:33,616
And hopefully, by Stephanie's
actions, she sees a resolve
624
00:41:33,741 --> 00:41:36,702
and that this spirit that was
attached to these beads has
625
00:41:36,785 --> 00:41:39,205
moved on or potentially is
on their spirit journey.
626
00:41:41,290 --> 00:41:43,834
After I threw
the beads and the river,
627
00:41:43,959 --> 00:41:45,419
we never saw her again.
628
00:41:45,503 --> 00:41:47,713
And nobody reported
any other dreams on campus.
629
00:41:47,796 --> 00:41:48,881
So I do believe it worked.
630
00:41:51,091 --> 00:41:52,593
I have no resentment
to the people that attached
631
00:41:52,676 --> 00:41:53,594
her to the beads.
632
00:41:53,677 --> 00:41:55,596
They were trying
to protect their culture,
633
00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:59,016
their beliefs, their home.
I was not the intended target.
634
00:41:59,141 --> 00:42:01,060
I was not the object
of their revenge.
635
00:42:01,143 --> 00:42:03,687
I was simply collateral damage
in the situation.
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