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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,710 --> 00:00:05,130 My house did have a reputation of being haunted, 2 00:00:05,213 --> 00:00:08,008 and a lot of the kids would not stay in it. 3 00:00:08,091 --> 00:00:12,512 It's this amount of death that can leave 4 00:00:12,595 --> 00:00:15,682 a physical charge and can cause 5 00:00:15,807 --> 00:00:17,600 paranormal activity to happen. 6 00:00:18,685 --> 00:00:20,395 It knows details about my life 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,356 that only my mother and my father would know. 8 00:00:23,481 --> 00:00:25,483 At first glance, you wouldn't connect a series 9 00:00:25,567 --> 00:00:27,861 of text messages to something paranormal, 10 00:00:27,944 --> 00:00:30,447 but developments are going to make us look at this case in 11 00:00:30,530 --> 00:00:32,198 an entirely more sinister light. 12 00:00:33,700 --> 00:00:36,036 Off the charts. I never experienced anything 13 00:00:36,119 --> 00:00:38,455 so frightening in my entire life. 14 00:00:38,538 --> 00:00:40,707 That's when he found the crucial piece of evidence 15 00:00:40,790 --> 00:00:43,209 in this case-- the smoking gun. 16 00:00:43,293 --> 00:00:46,337 Something was trying to seek revenge on us. 17 00:00:46,421 --> 00:00:47,464 Get away from my family! 18 00:00:48,965 --> 00:00:53,053 I can't move, laying there frozen, staring at this thing. 19 00:00:54,554 --> 00:00:56,556 How could this happen to us both? 20 00:00:56,639 --> 00:01:00,185 Whatever it wanted from me, it was definitely evil. 21 00:01:41,935 --> 00:01:45,313 Moreno Valley is a very interesting place. 22 00:01:45,438 --> 00:01:46,815 The M Mountain has a giant M on it. 23 00:01:46,940 --> 00:01:48,066 It stands for Moreno Valley. 24 00:01:49,442 --> 00:01:51,277 A lot of people that are not from the area, they're like, 25 00:01:51,361 --> 00:01:52,612 "Oh, that's the place with the M mountain." 26 00:01:52,737 --> 00:01:54,572 It's like, "Yeah, that's Moreno Valley." 27 00:01:56,616 --> 00:01:58,451 There is some good hiking areas 28 00:01:58,576 --> 00:01:59,953 as well out here in Moreno Valley. 29 00:02:01,121 --> 00:02:02,539 There's also Sycamore Canyon. 30 00:02:02,622 --> 00:02:04,290 Beautiful. It looks over the city. 31 00:02:06,334 --> 00:02:09,212 It's a quiet place to live. 32 00:02:09,295 --> 00:02:12,298 But just like that, all that changed one night. 33 00:02:15,468 --> 00:02:17,929 All the problems started for us that one night. 34 00:02:18,012 --> 00:02:20,390 I was working late, so I was going to pick up pizza for 35 00:02:20,473 --> 00:02:21,599 my wife and the kids. 36 00:02:23,351 --> 00:02:25,728 The pizza place is about 10 minutes away from the house. 37 00:02:39,576 --> 00:02:41,035 And while I was in line, 38 00:02:41,161 --> 00:02:42,787 I heard a ding go off on my phone. 39 00:02:49,836 --> 00:02:52,422 - Any mushrooms on it? - Two slices. 40 00:03:00,930 --> 00:03:03,433 There's advertisement all over the window, so you can't really 41 00:03:03,516 --> 00:03:04,684 see in or out. 42 00:03:04,809 --> 00:03:06,519 So I kind of glanced outside and looked around, 43 00:03:06,644 --> 00:03:08,021 and I don't see anybody on their phone 44 00:03:09,355 --> 00:03:12,400 or anything that would show there's someone texting me. 45 00:03:12,525 --> 00:03:14,652 And I thought, you know, that's really creepy. 46 00:03:14,736 --> 00:03:15,904 Like, who would send something like that? 47 00:03:17,113 --> 00:03:19,699 And I get another ding, and it's another message. 48 00:03:23,161 --> 00:03:24,078 And it was accurate. 49 00:03:24,204 --> 00:03:26,706 What it just texted me was accurate. 50 00:03:26,831 --> 00:03:28,541 The scenery, there was the three females 51 00:03:28,666 --> 00:03:30,043 and the one male. 52 00:03:30,168 --> 00:03:32,712 The cashier looks at me, and he noticed something's off. 53 00:03:32,795 --> 00:03:34,881 He could see it on my face, and he's like, "What's going on?" 54 00:03:35,006 --> 00:03:36,382 I'm like, "I got a weird message, 55 00:03:36,466 --> 00:03:37,550 but don't even worry about it." 56 00:03:37,675 --> 00:03:39,510 And he's like, "All right." So he gives me my pizza, 57 00:03:40,803 --> 00:03:41,804 and then I start heading home. 58 00:03:42,972 --> 00:03:44,682 I'm already weirded out at this point. 59 00:03:56,277 --> 00:03:58,696 I'm trying to just get home and just enjoy this pizza with 60 00:03:58,780 --> 00:04:01,908 my family, because I don't know who this is or what they want. 61 00:04:01,991 --> 00:04:03,368 So I'm just trying to get it out my mind. 62 00:04:25,098 --> 00:04:28,726 So then I arrive at my house, and I get that ding, 63 00:04:28,810 --> 00:04:31,354 and I see that it's another message coming in. 64 00:04:41,114 --> 00:04:43,574 Now I'm freaked out. Now I'm looking around again. 65 00:04:43,658 --> 00:04:46,286 It's got me scanning the area. I don't see anybody. 66 00:04:46,369 --> 00:04:47,453 There's no signs of anything. 67 00:04:59,549 --> 00:05:00,633 The name was Luke Wilkes. 68 00:05:02,468 --> 00:05:05,680 I went and clicked on who this is to see if it's anything that 69 00:05:05,805 --> 00:05:07,682 would give me an idea who's writing me. 70 00:05:07,807 --> 00:05:10,143 There was no profile picture. There was no cover photo. 71 00:05:12,478 --> 00:05:15,690 It said that the account was activated since 2013. 72 00:05:15,815 --> 00:05:17,483 Had no friends. It had nothing. 73 00:05:17,608 --> 00:05:18,609 It was a blank account. 74 00:05:24,073 --> 00:05:25,241 In reviewing Malcolm's case, 75 00:05:25,325 --> 00:05:28,161 in my 25 years of experience as a paranormal investigator, 76 00:05:28,244 --> 00:05:33,708 electronic communications from a ghost are rare. 77 00:05:33,833 --> 00:05:35,084 They're extremely rare. 78 00:05:35,168 --> 00:05:37,712 Malcolm's getting very disturbing texts that show 79 00:05:37,837 --> 00:05:40,298 someone is tracking his movements from 80 00:05:40,381 --> 00:05:42,008 the restaurant to his home. 81 00:05:42,091 --> 00:05:45,928 We're dealing with tangible communications that come from 82 00:05:46,012 --> 00:05:47,305 a very specific source. 83 00:05:47,388 --> 00:05:49,223 And he's right to be worried about this. 84 00:05:49,349 --> 00:05:52,143 Statistics show that one in five cases of stalking will 85 00:05:52,226 --> 00:05:53,853 escalate to physical violence. 86 00:05:56,773 --> 00:05:58,441 You know, so I'm getting home with the pizza, 87 00:05:58,524 --> 00:06:01,569 and I don't know if I want to tell my wife. 88 00:06:01,694 --> 00:06:04,072 - Do I enjoy dinner first? - Is this vegetarian? 89 00:06:04,197 --> 00:06:06,324 So, you know, I decided, you know what, I'm gonna go 90 00:06:06,407 --> 00:06:09,369 ahead and show her the messages just to get it out of the way. 91 00:06:09,452 --> 00:06:11,329 I'm trying to ease my mind and see what she thinks 92 00:06:11,412 --> 00:06:12,914 about this. - Let me see. 93 00:06:23,174 --> 00:06:24,509 And I looked at the message 94 00:06:24,592 --> 00:06:26,719 and it says, "Give the phone back to Malcolm." 95 00:06:29,472 --> 00:06:30,932 The pizza parlor was one thing. 96 00:06:31,057 --> 00:06:33,768 Now it's breaching the security of my home. 97 00:06:33,893 --> 00:06:36,104 Now it's in my home where my family lives. 98 00:06:37,563 --> 00:06:40,566 I immediately thought that there's someone in the house. 99 00:06:40,650 --> 00:06:43,653 We even went as far as my wife and my son, they went inside 100 00:06:43,736 --> 00:06:46,572 the restroom and they stayed in there and they closed the door. 101 00:06:48,032 --> 00:06:49,325 And I went and scanned the whole house, 102 00:06:50,451 --> 00:06:51,619 but I couldn't find anyone. 103 00:07:00,962 --> 00:07:04,090 Whoever this is, whatever this is, where the hell is it? 104 00:07:04,215 --> 00:07:05,216 I'm pissed off. 105 00:07:06,926 --> 00:07:08,928 So, I come over to the door and I look outside. 106 00:07:09,011 --> 00:07:10,680 I don't see anything. I look over here. 107 00:07:10,763 --> 00:07:12,598 I'm looking out in the field. I look out in the street. 108 00:07:12,682 --> 00:07:13,683 I don't see anything. 109 00:07:15,435 --> 00:07:16,477 So, I just yell out. I'm like, 110 00:07:16,602 --> 00:07:18,020 "Leave me the [bleep] alone. 111 00:07:18,104 --> 00:07:19,063 "Just leave me the [bleep] alone already 112 00:07:19,147 --> 00:07:20,314 and get away from my family." 113 00:07:26,571 --> 00:07:29,782 I thought maybe someone hacked in and can see what's going on 114 00:07:29,866 --> 00:07:30,867 the inside of my home. 115 00:07:35,163 --> 00:07:37,957 There are tools that cyber criminals can use to hack 116 00:07:38,082 --> 00:07:40,793 Malcolm's cell phone, gain access to his camera, 117 00:07:40,918 --> 00:07:42,462 track his locations. 118 00:07:42,587 --> 00:07:45,089 This could be an attempt to intimidate him. 119 00:07:45,173 --> 00:07:46,799 But who's doing it and to what end? 120 00:07:49,302 --> 00:07:52,221 I was extremely paranoid continuing my everyday life. 121 00:07:55,391 --> 00:07:57,643 I'm always looking in my rearview mirror. 122 00:07:57,727 --> 00:08:00,980 I'm always looking out the windows and just nervous, 123 00:08:01,105 --> 00:08:03,357 and scared, and worried of what's gonna come next. 124 00:08:06,819 --> 00:08:08,321 I started thinking, like, you know, 125 00:08:08,446 --> 00:08:09,822 "Did I wrong anyone? 126 00:08:09,906 --> 00:08:11,574 Did I, you know, make anyone angry?" 127 00:08:11,657 --> 00:08:12,992 And I couldn't come up with anything. 128 00:08:16,579 --> 00:08:19,373 As an investigator, I'm asking the same questions. 129 00:08:19,499 --> 00:08:22,543 I'm looking at flesh and blood individuals that Malcolm may 130 00:08:22,668 --> 00:08:25,463 have wronged to the point they're unstable enough that 131 00:08:25,546 --> 00:08:27,715 they are trying to get into his life from outside 132 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,175 and break it apart. 133 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:31,260 At first glance, you wouldn't connect a series 134 00:08:31,344 --> 00:08:33,596 of text messages to something paranormal, 135 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,224 but developments are going to make us look at this case in 136 00:08:36,349 --> 00:08:37,934 an entirely more sinister light. 137 00:08:43,272 --> 00:08:44,607 What? 138 00:08:44,690 --> 00:08:46,067 The messages are still coming in. 139 00:08:53,991 --> 00:08:55,409 And I wrote it back, "This conversation's over. 140 00:08:55,535 --> 00:08:57,119 "I don't want anything to do with you. 141 00:08:57,203 --> 00:08:58,621 Please leave me alone, leave my family alone." 142 00:09:05,795 --> 00:09:09,549 It said that I had escaped death twice. 143 00:09:09,632 --> 00:09:11,842 And it was terrifying because that was true. 144 00:09:13,386 --> 00:09:15,012 When I was born, I was premature. 145 00:09:15,096 --> 00:09:17,098 I had trouble breathing. I almost didn't make it. 146 00:09:18,349 --> 00:09:21,227 Very few people know about that. 147 00:09:21,310 --> 00:09:25,565 And the second time I almost died was from a drunk driver. 148 00:09:25,690 --> 00:09:29,193 It knows details about my life that, I mean, it's almost like 149 00:09:29,277 --> 00:09:30,903 only my mother, my father would know. 150 00:09:32,905 --> 00:09:34,991 This could be something not of this world. 151 00:09:36,993 --> 00:09:40,496 It said that I'm gonna get murdered or killed by gunfire. 152 00:09:41,747 --> 00:09:44,667 And that there scared me more than anything. 153 00:09:44,750 --> 00:09:45,835 It chilled me to my bones. 154 00:09:52,592 --> 00:09:55,094 We had a family trip planned for Texas. 155 00:09:56,596 --> 00:09:58,347 My wife went with her family, I stayed. 156 00:10:00,933 --> 00:10:02,977 I felt like I was the main target. 157 00:10:03,102 --> 00:10:05,146 It hasn't really said much about my family, 158 00:10:05,271 --> 00:10:06,939 just about me personally. 159 00:10:07,023 --> 00:10:09,609 And it's basically telling me that I escaped death twice, 160 00:10:09,692 --> 00:10:12,612 I won't a third time. So I didn't take the risk. 161 00:10:18,451 --> 00:10:21,287 That's when things got really crazy. 162 00:10:44,060 --> 00:10:45,686 I woke up and there was dishes. 163 00:10:45,770 --> 00:10:48,856 They were all like pulled to the edge of the counter, 164 00:10:48,939 --> 00:10:51,942 like almost like, you know, toying, like someone 165 00:10:52,068 --> 00:10:55,071 could bump it and it'll fall but they were everywhere. 166 00:10:55,154 --> 00:10:56,947 You know, they're all pulled to the edge of the cabinets, 167 00:10:57,031 --> 00:10:58,449 they're pulled to the edge of the countertops. 168 00:11:06,415 --> 00:11:10,503 Now I'm feeling odd, like, OK, this isn't a person. 169 00:11:10,628 --> 00:11:11,962 Obviously, there's no one in my house. 170 00:11:12,046 --> 00:11:13,881 This has to be some sort of entity. 171 00:11:18,803 --> 00:11:21,931 They started mocking the Bible, mocking scriptures. 172 00:11:25,518 --> 00:11:27,103 So it's kind of like, you know, almost like 173 00:11:27,186 --> 00:11:28,396 a grim reaper. 174 00:11:28,479 --> 00:11:30,314 Because if he's death himself, that's what a grim reaper is. 175 00:11:30,398 --> 00:11:31,399 He's death. 176 00:11:46,497 --> 00:11:48,958 I was sitting alone and I started to think like, 177 00:11:49,041 --> 00:11:50,960 "You know, I'm getting hungry, I'm gonna go heat up a piece of pizza." 178 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,551 Now it also knows what I'm thinking. 179 00:12:00,261 --> 00:12:02,012 I'm extremely terrified. 180 00:12:07,351 --> 00:12:09,770 This is the moment when it becomes clear to me that we are 181 00:12:09,854 --> 00:12:12,398 not dealing with a flesh-and-blood stalker. 182 00:12:12,523 --> 00:12:15,860 Malcolm's harasser comes from that other world. 183 00:12:17,194 --> 00:12:20,614 I started trying to connect the dots and thought maybe it 184 00:12:20,698 --> 00:12:22,867 could have started back when I was 12 years old. 185 00:12:26,495 --> 00:12:28,497 There was this one night in my bedroom, 186 00:12:28,581 --> 00:12:30,958 and I had woke up because I heard the door creak. 187 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:33,919 And when I was looking at it, 188 00:12:34,044 --> 00:12:36,213 I watched the door creak open a little bit. 189 00:12:39,091 --> 00:12:42,219 And I'm watching, waiting for someone to come in, and I watch 190 00:12:42,303 --> 00:12:44,555 it creak open just a little bit more. 191 00:12:46,515 --> 00:12:49,852 And now I'm terrified, but no one ever enters the room. 192 00:12:52,146 --> 00:12:55,816 Two weeks goes by, and I hear something at the door. 193 00:12:58,444 --> 00:13:01,405 And I watch the door handle just go down one 194 00:13:02,740 --> 00:13:04,074 and goes up again, 195 00:13:05,242 --> 00:13:07,286 and then it kind of rattles. 196 00:13:08,913 --> 00:13:12,082 And now I'm freaked out, so I throw the covers over my head, 197 00:13:12,208 --> 00:13:14,418 and I'm kind of just peeking out, watching, waiting for 198 00:13:14,502 --> 00:13:16,921 someone to either come in or if the door 199 00:13:17,004 --> 00:13:18,172 was going to keep going, 200 00:13:18,255 --> 00:13:20,007 but the door just did it by its own. 201 00:13:20,090 --> 00:13:21,091 There was no one there. 202 00:13:23,469 --> 00:13:25,471 And I connected that because that's all I have. 203 00:13:25,596 --> 00:13:27,223 I have nothing else. I'm going crazy. 204 00:13:27,306 --> 00:13:29,767 I'm like, OK, maybe that was something paranormal 205 00:13:29,850 --> 00:13:32,269 because now I'm older and I understand what paranormal is. 206 00:13:32,394 --> 00:13:34,647 It could be that. It could be the same thing. 207 00:13:34,772 --> 00:13:35,773 I don't know. 208 00:13:37,525 --> 00:13:40,069 There have been cases in which an entity attaches itself to 209 00:13:40,152 --> 00:13:43,280 a person and then reappears at different points throughout 210 00:13:43,364 --> 00:13:44,907 that person's life. 211 00:13:44,990 --> 00:13:48,577 In Malcolm's case, he's dealing with an entity that seems bent 212 00:13:48,661 --> 00:13:51,455 on destabilizing him and perhaps rendering 213 00:13:51,539 --> 00:13:54,625 him vulnerable. For what, we don't yet know. 214 00:14:12,726 --> 00:14:14,270 I started waking up with scratches. 215 00:14:16,814 --> 00:14:19,567 It was almost like an animal had attacked me. 216 00:14:22,486 --> 00:14:24,780 There was no pain associated with these scratches. 217 00:14:26,490 --> 00:14:29,451 That is until I started waking up with scratches on my face. 218 00:14:31,078 --> 00:14:33,205 And those scratches burned. 219 00:14:33,330 --> 00:14:34,415 And it was on my forehead, 220 00:14:34,498 --> 00:14:36,000 it was on both sides of my cheeks, 221 00:14:37,293 --> 00:14:38,711 and they were just so fine. 222 00:14:38,836 --> 00:14:41,505 Not human fingernails, I mean, just so fine. 223 00:14:43,132 --> 00:14:45,259 What began as a psychological campaign 224 00:14:45,342 --> 00:14:47,803 has now progressed to physical abuse. 225 00:14:47,887 --> 00:14:50,347 It has escalated an entire order of magnitude. 226 00:14:56,854 --> 00:15:00,149 It said that I'm gonna roll a dice and each number had 227 00:15:00,232 --> 00:15:01,775 a consequence of what would happen. 228 00:15:12,912 --> 00:15:15,873 And then there was one on there that it-- it gets me emotional, 229 00:15:15,956 --> 00:15:16,999 because of how real it was. 230 00:15:19,543 --> 00:15:24,548 But it said on number six that it was going to visit my mom 231 00:15:24,632 --> 00:15:26,133 and it was gonna help her take her life. 232 00:15:28,177 --> 00:15:29,303 And I just stared at my phone. 233 00:15:38,228 --> 00:15:39,271 Hello? 234 00:15:39,396 --> 00:15:41,273 Malcolm, you have to come over quick! 235 00:15:41,398 --> 00:15:42,399 Something's wrong with Mom. 236 00:15:54,078 --> 00:15:56,038 My little sister said, "Can you hurry over here? 237 00:15:56,163 --> 00:15:57,164 Something's wrong with Mom." 238 00:16:04,546 --> 00:16:06,215 When I arrive at my Mom's house, 239 00:16:06,340 --> 00:16:08,300 she's got the door locked. She's barricaded in the room. 240 00:16:11,512 --> 00:16:14,098 Mom? 241 00:16:16,892 --> 00:16:19,395 Leave me alone. I'm talking to God. 242 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,563 Mom? 243 00:16:21,689 --> 00:16:23,065 Get the hell out. 244 00:16:23,190 --> 00:16:25,067 And my mom's never talked to me like that my whole life. 245 00:16:34,451 --> 00:16:38,205 I'm hopeful that we will be able to meet one day soon. 246 00:16:38,288 --> 00:16:40,290 You just have to tell me what I need to do. 247 00:16:41,583 --> 00:16:43,752 Yes, I need to see you. 248 00:16:45,421 --> 00:16:48,674 She's like, "My whole life I've wanted to talk to God, 249 00:16:48,757 --> 00:16:49,800 "and now I'm talking to him 250 00:16:49,925 --> 00:16:51,635 and you're gonna interrupt that conversation." 251 00:16:55,097 --> 00:16:56,265 Go away. 252 00:16:56,390 --> 00:16:58,267 I was like, "And what is God telling you to do?" 253 00:16:58,350 --> 00:17:00,644 She's like, "He told me where I could go 254 00:17:00,769 --> 00:17:02,104 to go kill myself." 255 00:17:02,229 --> 00:17:03,772 She's like, "So that I can meet him." 256 00:17:05,315 --> 00:17:07,484 And I told her, I said, "Mom, God would never tell 257 00:17:07,609 --> 00:17:09,111 "you to go take your life. 258 00:17:09,236 --> 00:17:10,404 That's not God." 259 00:17:10,487 --> 00:17:12,489 Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. 260 00:17:12,614 --> 00:17:15,242 And eventually, my mom snaps out of it. 261 00:17:17,661 --> 00:17:21,457 Now, not only are we seeing physical abuse directly aimed 262 00:17:21,582 --> 00:17:25,127 at Malcolm, but this entity is tormenting those that 263 00:17:25,252 --> 00:17:26,253 he cares about. 264 00:17:26,336 --> 00:17:28,297 It's attacking him indirectly as well, 265 00:17:28,380 --> 00:17:29,465 by means of his family. 266 00:17:32,634 --> 00:17:34,261 I'm driving home, and I'm just a wreck. 267 00:17:41,143 --> 00:17:42,311 I started thinking, 268 00:17:42,436 --> 00:17:45,397 what could have been something earlier in my life, 269 00:17:45,481 --> 00:17:47,316 since it knows about me, that could have happened, 270 00:17:47,441 --> 00:17:50,486 that it could possibly be this same entity? 271 00:17:53,322 --> 00:17:55,699 So I was actually right here when it got hit 272 00:17:55,824 --> 00:17:57,367 on this crossroad, this intersection. 273 00:17:58,827 --> 00:18:01,330 I was on a bicycle, and I was coming across the street. 274 00:18:01,413 --> 00:18:03,457 There was a drunk driver that blew the light here. 275 00:18:06,293 --> 00:18:09,004 I hit the hood, and I went in the air, and I grabbed, 276 00:18:09,088 --> 00:18:10,172 you know, my shoulders. 277 00:18:10,255 --> 00:18:12,633 And I remember saying out loud, "Don't die, don't die, 278 00:18:12,716 --> 00:18:14,802 don't die, don't die." Like, I just kept repeating it. 279 00:18:14,885 --> 00:18:17,096 And then just, boom, it went black. 280 00:18:17,179 --> 00:18:18,514 And then I wake up down the street. 281 00:18:20,015 --> 00:18:22,684 This is where, when I got back to my consciousness, 282 00:18:22,810 --> 00:18:24,478 this is where I actually was. 283 00:18:32,945 --> 00:18:35,280 As I'm laying there, there's a silhouette, 284 00:18:35,364 --> 00:18:36,657 like a lady that walks up. 285 00:18:39,451 --> 00:18:41,453 Cars are zooming by. 286 00:18:41,537 --> 00:18:43,831 As soon as she approaches me, it goes silent, 287 00:18:43,914 --> 00:18:45,457 and all I hear is her. 288 00:18:47,835 --> 00:18:49,586 Everything is going to be OK. 289 00:18:53,632 --> 00:18:54,716 The cops come and they're like, 290 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,009 "Are you OK? Is everything fine?" 291 00:18:56,093 --> 00:18:57,719 I said, "Can you tell that lady to come 292 00:18:57,845 --> 00:18:59,888 back here real quick?" He goes, "What lady?" 293 00:18:59,972 --> 00:19:01,640 He said, "I've been parked right there." 294 00:19:01,723 --> 00:19:03,642 He said, "There's no lady." 295 00:19:03,725 --> 00:19:05,727 I was like, "There was a lady. She was just talking to me." 296 00:19:05,853 --> 00:19:06,895 OK, and I was like, "I'm alive, right?" 297 00:19:07,020 --> 00:19:08,188 He's like, "Yeah, you're alive." 298 00:19:08,272 --> 00:19:10,524 And he laughs-- he goes, "We're having this conversation. 299 00:19:10,607 --> 00:19:12,401 You're here. You're OK, man." 300 00:19:12,526 --> 00:19:13,861 But he said there was no lady there, 301 00:19:13,944 --> 00:19:16,405 and I vividly remember her. - Don't worry. 302 00:19:16,488 --> 00:19:18,991 If there are dark, negative spirits, 303 00:19:19,074 --> 00:19:21,076 as many believe, it stands to reason 304 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,412 they must have a counterpart. 305 00:19:23,537 --> 00:19:26,915 If the bad actors are wandering around targeting people like 306 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:32,087 Malcolm, is there an equivalent of a spiritual police officer, 307 00:19:32,171 --> 00:19:36,592 someone that will, or something, that will respond and protect? 308 00:19:36,717 --> 00:19:40,888 Is this the female spirit that came and aided Malcolm 309 00:19:40,971 --> 00:19:42,097 after his hit-and-run? 310 00:19:43,682 --> 00:19:46,101 I started to realize doing extensive research that when 311 00:19:46,185 --> 00:19:48,770 you have a near-death experience, that veil is 312 00:19:48,854 --> 00:19:53,108 thinned out and you're so close to death and that it's like, 313 00:19:53,233 --> 00:19:55,736 almost like, you were one foot in and one foot out. 314 00:19:55,819 --> 00:19:57,946 You were kind of alive, kind of dead. 315 00:19:58,071 --> 00:19:59,114 And now that veil, I feel, 316 00:19:59,198 --> 00:20:01,325 is forever thinned out spiritually. 317 00:20:01,450 --> 00:20:04,328 That day, yes, I was talking to a guardian angel and something 318 00:20:04,453 --> 00:20:05,579 of good nature. 319 00:20:05,662 --> 00:20:08,624 But I feel that that also allowed possibly something else 320 00:20:08,749 --> 00:20:10,000 to enter my life. 321 00:20:10,125 --> 00:20:11,210 That could have been the entity 322 00:20:11,293 --> 00:20:12,502 that is trying to come after me. 323 00:20:12,628 --> 00:20:16,673 Because he brings up that time I supposedly skipped death. 324 00:20:16,798 --> 00:20:19,426 So it could have entered through that thinned-out veil 325 00:20:19,509 --> 00:20:20,969 the same way the guardian angel did. 326 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,808 I have a friend that mentioned to me, he's like, 327 00:20:26,892 --> 00:20:29,478 "Malcolm, you're the only one that can solve this. 328 00:20:29,561 --> 00:20:32,356 "If you want it bad enough, you aren't fearful of it 329 00:20:32,481 --> 00:20:35,317 and you stand up to it, you can solve this." 330 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,319 In my mind, I was like, "You know, he's right." 331 00:20:37,402 --> 00:20:39,988 What if I try my hardest to eliminate that fear, 332 00:20:40,113 --> 00:20:42,074 regardless of everything it's done, 333 00:20:42,157 --> 00:20:44,284 be stronger than it and not fear it 334 00:20:44,368 --> 00:20:46,328 and show it no type of fear emotion? 335 00:20:47,621 --> 00:20:48,622 Nice job, bud. 336 00:20:50,290 --> 00:20:52,292 After that conversation, it's like he gave me armor. 337 00:20:52,376 --> 00:20:54,503 I was ready to battle whatever this was. 338 00:20:54,628 --> 00:20:55,921 And I said, "I'm not scared of you. 339 00:20:56,004 --> 00:20:57,631 "My kids aren't scared of you. My wife isn't scared of you. 340 00:20:57,714 --> 00:20:59,007 "My mom isn't scared of you. 341 00:20:59,091 --> 00:21:00,884 Nobody has any fear of you anymore." 342 00:21:04,805 --> 00:21:06,390 And it just did this evil laugh 343 00:21:06,515 --> 00:21:08,976 all the way from the living room, 344 00:21:09,059 --> 00:21:10,102 and I laughed back at it. 345 00:21:10,185 --> 00:21:11,353 It's like, "I don't fear you." 346 00:21:17,067 --> 00:21:19,444 At the end of the day, it was the fear that we fed it, 347 00:21:19,528 --> 00:21:20,862 that it was just consuming it. 348 00:21:21,989 --> 00:21:23,198 Once we eliminated that, 349 00:21:23,282 --> 00:21:24,866 that's when it started diminishing 350 00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:27,661 to the point where it wasn't even happening anymore. 351 00:21:29,621 --> 00:21:32,124 There he is! 352 00:21:32,207 --> 00:21:36,503 Sometimes the best way to defuse a dangerous situation 353 00:21:36,586 --> 00:21:38,380 is not to escalate it. 354 00:21:40,173 --> 00:21:44,136 Malcolm's approach becomes, I'm not being afraid anymore. 355 00:21:44,219 --> 00:21:45,971 I will not be harassed. 356 00:21:46,054 --> 00:21:49,182 And as he takes this approach, the activity begins to 357 00:21:49,266 --> 00:21:51,810 dissipate until finally it stops altogether. 358 00:21:54,521 --> 00:21:55,897 It's been six years now 359 00:21:56,023 --> 00:21:58,400 and we haven't received any texts, 360 00:21:58,483 --> 00:22:00,736 and it's going great. Life is great. 361 00:22:00,819 --> 00:22:03,947 This experience actually changed my view on 362 00:22:04,072 --> 00:22:06,575 the paranormal world, and the reason for that is 363 00:22:06,658 --> 00:22:09,244 I went into all this as a skeptic, 364 00:22:10,620 --> 00:22:14,416 and it opened up my mind vastly to what's out there. 365 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:44,488 I was born and raised 366 00:22:44,571 --> 00:22:46,406 in the small town of Napier, Ontario. 367 00:22:48,075 --> 00:22:48,992 When I was growing up, 368 00:22:49,076 --> 00:22:51,161 the population would have been around 25. 369 00:22:53,246 --> 00:22:56,333 I was constantly outside, hunting, fishing, 370 00:22:56,416 --> 00:22:57,918 canoeing, kayaking. 371 00:22:59,628 --> 00:23:00,754 It was all pretty idyllic. 372 00:23:02,631 --> 00:23:04,132 Then, one day... 373 00:23:05,550 --> 00:23:06,551 everything changed. 374 00:23:08,178 --> 00:23:10,013 It was the beginning of a living nightmare. 375 00:23:17,813 --> 00:23:19,940 I remember the day, because that's when my parents 376 00:23:20,023 --> 00:23:21,024 came back from a trip. 377 00:23:22,943 --> 00:23:25,612 Wait till you see what I got you. 378 00:23:25,695 --> 00:23:27,739 What do you think? Pretty sweet, eh? 379 00:23:27,823 --> 00:23:29,533 My parents went on vacation to Virginia. 380 00:23:32,744 --> 00:23:33,745 They're big into history. 381 00:23:35,622 --> 00:23:37,416 My dad's into Civil War reenacting, 382 00:23:37,499 --> 00:23:39,084 and stuff like that. 383 00:23:39,167 --> 00:23:40,669 There's so much history in Virginia. 384 00:23:45,340 --> 00:23:47,467 Wow! Cool, Mom. 385 00:23:47,551 --> 00:23:52,139 And look at this. She's so old. 386 00:23:53,807 --> 00:23:56,309 They were excited, had a great time, telling me what they did, 387 00:23:57,561 --> 00:23:58,979 all the historical sites that they'd seen. 388 00:24:03,108 --> 00:24:07,320 My house reflects history, and the love for old things. 389 00:24:07,446 --> 00:24:10,824 Those things mean a lot to me because then that's a way of 390 00:24:10,907 --> 00:24:13,785 making that person still stay alive somehow. 391 00:24:16,496 --> 00:24:18,957 My friends would come from school, 392 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,835 and some of them were scared to even stay here at night. 393 00:24:27,007 --> 00:24:28,091 There's a lot of things in the house 394 00:24:28,175 --> 00:24:29,843 that are over 200 years old. 395 00:24:38,143 --> 00:24:40,061 Erin Goodpipe, take one. Marker. 396 00:24:42,689 --> 00:24:45,942 My first impression hearing about this story is that 397 00:24:46,026 --> 00:24:49,446 I think when people are historians, you're bringing in 398 00:24:49,529 --> 00:24:52,282 multiple objects and objects have histories 399 00:24:52,365 --> 00:24:54,409 and they have energetic histories. 400 00:24:54,534 --> 00:24:57,245 They have spiritual histories and that makes objects 401 00:24:57,370 --> 00:24:58,872 spiritually charged, or at least it has 402 00:24:58,955 --> 00:25:00,165 the potential to. 403 00:25:00,248 --> 00:25:04,211 I'm wondering about the objects in that space and potentially 404 00:25:04,294 --> 00:25:06,880 the havoc that they could be causing for the people that are 405 00:25:07,005 --> 00:25:08,673 in relationship with those objects. 406 00:25:11,259 --> 00:25:15,430 My house did have a reputation of being haunted. 407 00:25:20,060 --> 00:25:23,522 In this case, it all began in the basement in Lee's bedroom. 408 00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:28,151 At the time, I'm like, 409 00:25:28,235 --> 00:25:30,070 "I'm gonna put my room in the basement." 410 00:25:30,153 --> 00:25:32,155 Parents said, "OK, if you're moving 411 00:25:32,239 --> 00:25:33,240 everything, you can do it." 412 00:25:35,367 --> 00:25:37,577 So when I was a teenager, this is where my bedroom was. 413 00:25:42,332 --> 00:25:43,333 My bed was right here. 414 00:25:45,335 --> 00:25:46,836 My stereo was beside it. 415 00:25:48,964 --> 00:25:52,300 And this is the spot right here where I started having 416 00:25:52,425 --> 00:25:54,177 horrible, vivid dreams. 417 00:26:07,107 --> 00:26:08,858 This shadow figure was following me. 418 00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:15,615 It's always like it's three steps behind you, 419 00:26:17,158 --> 00:26:18,159 ready to grab you. 420 00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:21,246 And then you'd wake up from it. 421 00:26:25,041 --> 00:26:26,751 It was scary. It felt real. 422 00:26:31,464 --> 00:26:33,633 I kept having the same dream. 423 00:26:33,717 --> 00:26:36,094 It seemed like it picked up from the same spot. 424 00:26:37,887 --> 00:26:40,473 The whole dream was just running away constantly... 425 00:26:41,808 --> 00:26:43,310 over and over again. 426 00:27:11,796 --> 00:27:13,882 Finally, I explained it to my parents... 427 00:27:16,217 --> 00:27:18,345 and they didn't know what to make of it either, really. 428 00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:32,984 There's nothing particularly abnormal about having 429 00:27:33,068 --> 00:27:36,112 scary dreams, and you can't actually say that 430 00:27:36,196 --> 00:27:39,032 that's technically paranormal in nature. 431 00:27:39,157 --> 00:27:42,285 We have dreams all the time, and dreams are a way for us 432 00:27:42,369 --> 00:27:44,704 to process things, and sometimes the content of 433 00:27:44,829 --> 00:27:46,915 those dreams can be very fearful. 434 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,503 As an investigator, I start to pay attention when dreams begin 435 00:27:51,586 --> 00:27:54,464 to manifest into reality, and you begin to see what's 436 00:27:54,547 --> 00:27:56,841 happening in your dreams happening in real life. 437 00:28:05,975 --> 00:28:07,644 This one night, I go to bed. 438 00:28:09,729 --> 00:28:10,730 It's pitch-black. 439 00:28:13,066 --> 00:28:14,526 I can't see anything down there. 440 00:28:19,739 --> 00:28:22,450 I hear footsteps coming down the stairs. 441 00:28:25,245 --> 00:28:28,164 It sounded like a person walking down the stairs. 442 00:28:33,753 --> 00:28:35,338 I heard all the CDs fall to the floor. 443 00:28:43,221 --> 00:28:46,224 There's absolutely no one in the room with me. 444 00:28:50,895 --> 00:28:51,896 Dad? 445 00:28:53,231 --> 00:28:54,232 Dad? 446 00:28:56,735 --> 00:28:58,611 I just was awake, listening. 447 00:29:00,071 --> 00:29:01,656 So this... 448 00:29:01,781 --> 00:29:06,119 really put a deep fear in me. I mean, it was terrifying. 449 00:29:06,202 --> 00:29:07,454 It kept me up all night. 450 00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:15,420 If an intruder came into the house, then it would have 451 00:29:15,503 --> 00:29:18,131 been the dog barking because our dogs bark. 452 00:29:18,256 --> 00:29:20,091 Like, I don't know what happened, 453 00:29:20,175 --> 00:29:21,468 but it wasn't me down there. 454 00:29:24,471 --> 00:29:27,599 In the morning, I come upstairs and I see my dad in 455 00:29:27,682 --> 00:29:28,808 the kitchen and I'm like, 456 00:29:28,892 --> 00:29:30,810 "What were you doing in my room last night?" 457 00:29:30,935 --> 00:29:33,062 And my dad's like, "What are you talking about?" 458 00:29:33,146 --> 00:29:36,316 I thought he was playing a joke on me or something like that. 459 00:29:36,399 --> 00:29:38,526 And he's like, "I'm telling you, it wasn't me. 460 00:29:38,651 --> 00:29:40,653 I didn't-- I was not down there last night." 461 00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:42,864 Your dad was asleep in bed last night. 462 00:29:42,989 --> 00:29:46,159 But I couldn't help but think something is off. 463 00:29:47,285 --> 00:29:48,286 Our house felt... 464 00:29:50,288 --> 00:29:51,331 different somehow. 465 00:29:53,333 --> 00:29:55,126 Well, someone's going through my CDs. 466 00:29:56,503 --> 00:29:57,879 Knocked them on the floor, all of them. 467 00:29:58,004 --> 00:30:01,299 I started wondering to myself, is it possible that this 468 00:30:01,382 --> 00:30:04,427 could be ghosts and paranormal stuff? 469 00:30:07,180 --> 00:30:09,724 When I begin to think about the paranormal aspect 470 00:30:09,849 --> 00:30:12,685 of this house, of this area, 471 00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:15,522 I think about the town's history, 472 00:30:15,605 --> 00:30:17,357 and there is a layered history here, 473 00:30:17,482 --> 00:30:20,860 a really sad layered history. 474 00:30:20,985 --> 00:30:25,240 Back in the 1880s, there was an epidemic that swept through 475 00:30:25,365 --> 00:30:28,284 the town and killed 90% of its children. 476 00:30:30,328 --> 00:30:36,793 It's this amount of death that can leave a physical charge 477 00:30:36,876 --> 00:30:39,712 and can cause paranormal activity to happen. 478 00:30:42,048 --> 00:30:45,218 There's a lot of children buried in the cemetery. 479 00:30:45,301 --> 00:30:48,096 One family that has two children, or three children 480 00:30:48,221 --> 00:30:51,224 actually, that had died from diphtheria in the course of 481 00:30:51,349 --> 00:30:52,350 a few months. 482 00:30:54,644 --> 00:30:58,815 I think the way that they died might have left them in limbo, 483 00:31:00,358 --> 00:31:04,320 so they need direction in finding where they're going to 484 00:31:04,404 --> 00:31:05,405 cross to the other side. 485 00:31:10,076 --> 00:31:12,412 I tend to believe that spirits act 486 00:31:12,495 --> 00:31:14,372 just as we do as human beings. 487 00:31:14,455 --> 00:31:17,625 So if there are children that are buried nearby, we have to 488 00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:20,253 think that they lived in the town and potentially 489 00:31:20,378 --> 00:31:23,131 they had friends or relatives who lived in the house, 490 00:31:23,256 --> 00:31:24,591 so they could be paying a visit. 491 00:31:28,011 --> 00:31:31,931 You start to ask yourself, after this happens a few times, 492 00:31:32,015 --> 00:31:35,560 is it possible that this could be one of the ghosts 493 00:31:35,643 --> 00:31:40,106 from one of the children that died in this town? 494 00:31:42,859 --> 00:31:45,695 But this didn't seem like a child-- it was different. 495 00:31:49,073 --> 00:31:50,783 I'm led to believe that there is something else 496 00:31:50,867 --> 00:31:51,868 that's going on here. 497 00:32:04,797 --> 00:32:06,466 My grandfather had passed away, 498 00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:07,550 so we moved a bunch of boxes. 499 00:32:07,634 --> 00:32:09,177 We're bringing 'em back here. 500 00:32:10,386 --> 00:32:13,056 His grandfather died suddenly. 501 00:32:13,181 --> 00:32:15,350 He died on Halloween night, actually. 502 00:32:19,896 --> 00:32:24,233 I always want to ask somebody who is experiencing a haunting 503 00:32:24,317 --> 00:32:26,653 if there has been a traumatic event that's happened 504 00:32:26,736 --> 00:32:28,404 or if there's been death in the family, 505 00:32:28,488 --> 00:32:29,948 because from my belief, 506 00:32:30,073 --> 00:32:33,493 you can have spirits, relatives, come and pay a visit to you. 507 00:32:36,204 --> 00:32:39,624 So I'm looking through my grandfather's wallet. 508 00:32:39,749 --> 00:32:40,917 It was just sitting there, 509 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,002 and I wanted to see what was in it. 510 00:32:45,088 --> 00:32:48,424 So, I just opened it up and was looking for any pictures 511 00:32:48,508 --> 00:32:50,218 or just to see what he had in his wallet. 512 00:33:00,895 --> 00:33:02,605 And I noticed something out of the corner of my eye. 513 00:33:13,616 --> 00:33:14,617 I didn't know what it was. 514 00:33:26,462 --> 00:33:28,214 That's when I saw this thing. 515 00:33:37,473 --> 00:33:38,516 I was frozen. 516 00:33:38,641 --> 00:33:40,143 I'm just standing there like, "What is this thing?" 517 00:33:50,153 --> 00:33:52,655 I'm freaked out. I don't even know what to do. 518 00:33:52,739 --> 00:33:54,824 I run screaming down the hall. 519 00:33:54,907 --> 00:33:57,869 All of a sudden, I heard this horrific scream. 520 00:33:57,994 --> 00:33:59,328 I was so freaked out. 521 00:33:59,454 --> 00:34:01,289 Nothing like that has ever happened before. 522 00:34:01,372 --> 00:34:04,125 He came running, and he was white. 523 00:34:04,208 --> 00:34:06,669 I tried to describe it to her. She was confused. 524 00:34:06,753 --> 00:34:09,922 And I'm like, "What are you talking about, Lee? 525 00:34:10,006 --> 00:34:11,174 There's nothing here." 526 00:34:11,299 --> 00:34:13,551 And she thought it was insane. 527 00:34:17,055 --> 00:34:22,185 After somebody dies, from my belief, spirits can pay visits. 528 00:34:22,268 --> 00:34:24,687 They especially want closure sometimes before they make 529 00:34:24,812 --> 00:34:26,689 their spirit journey because they're gonna go on. 530 00:34:26,814 --> 00:34:31,194 But I would say that Lee would know somewhere deep down 531 00:34:32,487 --> 00:34:33,613 that that was his grandfather. 532 00:34:33,696 --> 00:34:37,867 They're still the person that they are intrinsically. 533 00:34:37,992 --> 00:34:41,245 Based off of what Lee is experiencing and the fear 534 00:34:41,370 --> 00:34:44,373 around these occurrences happening in the home, 535 00:34:44,457 --> 00:34:47,418 it doesn't feel that this spirit is personal to him. 536 00:34:47,543 --> 00:34:50,213 It doesn't feel like this is his grandfather. 537 00:34:51,547 --> 00:34:52,548 Off the charts. 538 00:34:52,673 --> 00:34:54,217 I never experienced anything 539 00:34:54,342 --> 00:34:57,386 so frightening in my entire life. 540 00:34:57,470 --> 00:35:00,848 I went from maybe being on the fence to a true believer 541 00:35:00,932 --> 00:35:03,476 because I saw something I definitely couldn't explain. 542 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,648 The basement kind of freaked me out a bit, so I moved my room 543 00:35:08,731 --> 00:35:11,150 back upstairs to my old bedroom. 544 00:35:11,234 --> 00:35:13,694 So, I'm in bed one night... 545 00:35:22,078 --> 00:35:26,249 and floating above me was this black mass. 546 00:35:27,834 --> 00:35:29,877 I can't move. I can't speak. 547 00:35:29,961 --> 00:35:32,797 I can't do anything, laying there frozen, 548 00:35:32,922 --> 00:35:35,091 staring at this thing. 549 00:35:39,595 --> 00:35:43,766 And whatever it wanted from me, it was definitely evil. 550 00:35:54,235 --> 00:35:58,114 Somehow, I was able to yell. And as soon as I made a noise... 551 00:36:01,242 --> 00:36:02,285 it disappeared. 552 00:36:03,286 --> 00:36:06,998 I was completely terrified, scared out of my wits. 553 00:36:08,166 --> 00:36:11,294 It was the same dark, faceless figure that was 554 00:36:11,377 --> 00:36:12,420 chasing me in my dreams. 555 00:36:18,134 --> 00:36:22,305 So the next morning, I come out to the table to have breakfast. 556 00:36:22,388 --> 00:36:26,767 My mom's looking at me, and she's like, 557 00:36:26,851 --> 00:36:27,935 "What's the matter with you?" 558 00:36:28,019 --> 00:36:29,812 She could tell something was wrong. 559 00:36:29,896 --> 00:36:31,230 So I was a bit apprehensive, 560 00:36:31,314 --> 00:36:33,232 but I told her what was going on, 561 00:36:33,316 --> 00:36:35,651 about what happened in the room the night before. 562 00:36:36,819 --> 00:36:41,032 In the morning, Lee came to me and said he had this dream. 563 00:36:41,157 --> 00:36:42,783 And I'm like, "Oh my god, 564 00:36:42,867 --> 00:36:44,744 that's the same thing that happened to me." 565 00:36:46,913 --> 00:36:49,874 It was horrible that we had the same dream. 566 00:37:02,386 --> 00:37:04,138 It floated over me 567 00:37:04,263 --> 00:37:06,224 and wanted me to go with it. 568 00:37:10,353 --> 00:37:12,480 "No," I was screaming, "I'm not going with you, 569 00:37:12,605 --> 00:37:15,775 I'm not going with you." But I couldn't move. 570 00:37:15,858 --> 00:37:17,276 It was like it held me there. 571 00:37:26,827 --> 00:37:29,288 Finally, I did scream loud enough. 572 00:37:30,581 --> 00:37:33,125 How could this happen to us both? 573 00:37:33,209 --> 00:37:35,544 What on earth is going on in this house? 574 00:37:37,171 --> 00:37:40,091 There's too many things to write it off as a coincidence, 575 00:37:40,174 --> 00:37:46,138 and each new thing seems to progressively get worse from 576 00:37:46,222 --> 00:37:47,348 the last one. 577 00:37:47,473 --> 00:37:50,393 I think if I would have went with it, I felt like 578 00:37:50,518 --> 00:37:53,271 maybe I was gonna die. I'm not sure. 579 00:37:54,730 --> 00:37:55,731 It scared me. 580 00:37:57,608 --> 00:37:58,609 It's frightening at this point. 581 00:38:00,361 --> 00:38:04,782 When two people, Nancy and Lee, both wake up 582 00:38:04,865 --> 00:38:09,662 from a nightmare and are having the experience of a shadowy, 583 00:38:09,745 --> 00:38:12,873 dark entity that is hovering above them. 584 00:38:12,999 --> 00:38:14,542 And they wake up at the same time, 585 00:38:14,625 --> 00:38:16,544 and they share that together. 586 00:38:16,627 --> 00:38:18,421 To me, this legitimizes 587 00:38:18,546 --> 00:38:21,048 a paranormal activity that's happening here. 588 00:38:21,132 --> 00:38:24,552 This spirit is provoking the Bernier family. 589 00:38:24,635 --> 00:38:29,015 And when a spirit is provoking like that, it leads me to 590 00:38:29,098 --> 00:38:31,767 believe that there is an important message that 591 00:38:31,892 --> 00:38:34,437 they're trying to get across, or there's something that 592 00:38:34,562 --> 00:38:36,564 the spirit wants this family to do. 593 00:38:38,316 --> 00:38:40,192 What caused all this? 594 00:38:40,276 --> 00:38:44,739 The only thing I could pinpoint was all of this stuff started 595 00:38:44,864 --> 00:38:49,702 happening in the house after my parents' vacation to Virginia. 596 00:38:49,785 --> 00:38:52,913 I started going back through the photo album that they had. 597 00:38:52,997 --> 00:38:56,584 I was just trying to find some kind of clue or something 598 00:38:56,709 --> 00:39:00,463 because it felt like someone or something was trying to seek 599 00:39:00,588 --> 00:39:02,631 revenge on us. 600 00:39:02,757 --> 00:39:04,884 That's when he found the crucial piece of evidence 601 00:39:04,967 --> 00:39:06,886 in this case-- the smoking gun. 602 00:39:08,346 --> 00:39:11,474 On their trip, Lee's parents visited a cemetery 603 00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:12,933 in Richmond, Virginia, 604 00:39:13,017 --> 00:39:16,437 where 18,000 Confederate soldiers were buried. 605 00:39:19,398 --> 00:39:21,067 It's called Hollywood Cemetery. 606 00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:24,236 And on all these mausoleums, they have ivy 607 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,614 growing everywhere. It's gorgeous. 608 00:39:27,782 --> 00:39:29,116 I'm a florist. 609 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,494 I had never seen anything like that. 610 00:39:31,619 --> 00:39:35,081 So I just plucked a little piece of ivy and brought it 611 00:39:35,164 --> 00:39:36,165 back with me. 612 00:39:37,666 --> 00:39:40,378 Nancy didn't realize when she picked that ivy, 613 00:39:40,461 --> 00:39:41,962 she was picking it from the gravesite 614 00:39:42,088 --> 00:39:43,839 of General George Pickett, 615 00:39:43,964 --> 00:39:46,050 who had actually done some pretty terrible 616 00:39:46,133 --> 00:39:47,134 and gruesome things. 617 00:39:48,511 --> 00:39:50,388 General Pickett was a Civil War general, 618 00:39:50,471 --> 00:39:52,681 led a famous charge. 619 00:39:52,807 --> 00:39:55,851 He lost 7,500 men. It was a bloodbath. 620 00:39:58,187 --> 00:40:01,524 After that battle, he executed 22 soldiers that 621 00:40:01,649 --> 00:40:04,735 refused to pick up arms and fight with him, 622 00:40:04,819 --> 00:40:08,030 one of them being a kid that was only 15 years old. 623 00:40:10,658 --> 00:40:14,161 Pickett was a guy that had a lot of blood on his hands. 624 00:40:14,286 --> 00:40:16,997 The ivy came from his grave. 625 00:40:17,123 --> 00:40:21,335 To bring that ivy into this home, maybe some of that anger 626 00:40:21,460 --> 00:40:23,504 and aggression followed with it. 627 00:40:25,005 --> 00:40:29,593 One meaning behind ivy is that when you place it next to 628 00:40:29,677 --> 00:40:33,347 somebody's grave site, you're hoping that the ivy will 629 00:40:33,472 --> 00:40:37,101 contribute to this person living forever 630 00:40:37,184 --> 00:40:40,187 in the afterlife. It's a symbol of immortality. 631 00:40:43,065 --> 00:40:44,984 That was my aha moment. 632 00:40:45,067 --> 00:40:47,987 All the stuff that's been going on, that's because you guys 633 00:40:48,070 --> 00:40:49,071 took this ivy. 634 00:40:50,573 --> 00:40:54,243 I had no idea what ivy meant on a grave. 635 00:40:54,368 --> 00:40:56,871 The ivy was the problem in the house. 636 00:40:59,874 --> 00:41:03,169 And so there is the potential that this spirit, 637 00:41:03,252 --> 00:41:06,839 if it is George Pickett, that he is trying to send 638 00:41:06,922 --> 00:41:09,341 a message here of his authority, that he was wrong, 639 00:41:09,425 --> 00:41:10,718 that he felt disrespected. 640 00:41:12,428 --> 00:41:13,888 I'm like, "This has to go." 641 00:41:15,848 --> 00:41:18,517 I didn't just bring back ivy. 642 00:41:18,601 --> 00:41:20,644 I brought back a dark entity, 643 00:41:20,728 --> 00:41:23,522 and I do not want that in my home anymore. 644 00:41:27,693 --> 00:41:33,324 And so, when Nancy decided to burn the ivy, I think that 645 00:41:33,407 --> 00:41:36,702 would have symbolized to General George Pickett 646 00:41:36,785 --> 00:41:40,247 that, "I didn't mean to do that, and I'm dissipating this now." 647 00:41:46,045 --> 00:41:49,173 I haven't had that terrible, reoccurring dream ever since. 648 00:41:51,592 --> 00:41:52,927 We didn't have anything after that. 649 00:41:54,136 --> 00:41:56,931 I think the lesson to be learned here is, 650 00:41:57,014 --> 00:41:59,808 don't remove anything from a cemetery. 651 00:41:59,934 --> 00:42:03,521 The last thing you want is something dark gunning for you. 52432

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