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I finally felt that we had
our dream house.
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But what I'd really bought was
a gateway to the paranormal.
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When I was 12, my family
moved to a brand-new house.
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This something paranormal
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that is trying to intimidate,
trying to scare
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these two children.
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I knew I was in danger.
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The fact that you have pieces
of furniture that are being
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flung in the air,
you know, very aggressively
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trying to provoke
or inflict pain.
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When I review a case,
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I always look at the credibility
of the witness.
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I'm laying down in bed
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and just feel
it was just staring at me.
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I didn't know what he said.
I didn't hear the word,
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but it scared me.
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Something's not right here.
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A lot of people felt unsafe.
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This is my daughter.
You don't tell me to stay away!
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What the hell does it want?
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In the afterlife, he is quite
probably trying to seek revenge
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for what they had done.
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When I was looking for a house,
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I wanted something
in the country
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with a bit of land.
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So when I saw this house,
I fell in love with it.
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Erin Goodpipe.
Take one, mark.
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As an Investigator going
into a case like Lori Kinrade's,
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you want to establish
a few things.
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Can we first rule out
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non-paranormal
occurrences happening?
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The second is, if there are
a number of things occurring
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that seem paranormal,
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we wanna figure out
what that motive is
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and who is doing it.
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We had been married
for seven years,
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and we found this home
that we fell in love with,
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and the price was right.
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I saw it as
a fresh start for us
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and a safe place
to raise Bri-Anne.
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I finally felt that we had
our dream house.
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But what I'd really bought
was a gateway...
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...to the paranormal.
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My husband and I met
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when I moved to the city
for college.
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We ended up in the same
rooming house.
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Everything seemed
wonderful at first.
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I-- our bond just grew
inseparable.
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And we became
a couple pretty quickly.
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With my husband,
when things were good,
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there was a lot of laughter,
a lot of fun.
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But when things were bad,
they were extremely bad.
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He could just go off
with the flip of a switch.
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We used to always say,
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we'd have to look in his eyes
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to see who was there.
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All I could hope was moving
to this new house would change
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Freddy somehow,
and we needed that.
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I kept hoping for the best,
but often getting the worst.
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It started
from the very beginning
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on moving-in day.
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I was two and a half years old
when we moved into this house.
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I remember things
being less than great
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between my parents
from a very young age.
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At his worst,
my dad was scary.
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I just remember being
very scared of him
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when I was little.
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Hey!
What a freaking mess!
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It was extreme anger.
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And the thing is, he could be
sitting beside you and talking
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one minute,
and everything was fine.
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You hear me?
I'm talking to you.
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You hear what I said?
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You pathetic woman.
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Partly, I was hoping that maybe
having our own place,
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that that might help,
but it didn't change anything.
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And then he just seemed
to get more obsessive.
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I knew something wasn't right.
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When I was
growing up in this house,
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I heard a lot of strange voices.
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Why are they here?
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This is my house.
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It was right about here,
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I heard women's voices
shattering away...
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and there was no one there.
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Based on the transcripts
of Lori's testimony,
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there are a number
of strange occurrences
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that are happening in the house
since they've moved in,
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and it's having an immediate
effect on the people living
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in the house,
specifically Lori's husband.
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I remember when my dad
would get into his moods,
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his eyes would just go dark
and blank, and it was scary.
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I started becoming
aware pretty early on
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that there was something
that wasn't right.
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We weren't allowed
to close doors.
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He would start out by saying,
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"Oh, we had to take
the door off to refinish it."
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But then the doors
never went back on.
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My dad was very paranoid.
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He had some idea
that we were doing
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something behind his back.
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He just had this obsession
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that if you were
behind the door,
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he didn't know
what you were doing.
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There was no sense,
no sense to any of it.
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Frankly, I just hit a point
I would have rather dealt
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with anything paranormal
than with my husband.
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You pathetic woman.
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He had his moments being
totally out of control,
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and the house would definitely
become way more active.
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So his instability
was just adding to the fire.
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There was definitely
a correlation
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between how intense
my dad's moods were
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and how intense
the hauntings would become.
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When you have energy
that's really negative,
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perhaps you're very angry,
then you might find resonance
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with an angry spirit
that might be there
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with that type of energy,
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so they can
kind of coalesce together.
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There was always one area
of the house
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that was more active,
and it was on all three floors,
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it was that corner over there.
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I would hear noises...
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...things bumping... banging.
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It was very unnerving
to hear it,
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especially when you can't
find a cause.
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That's when it became clear
that this house,
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my dream house,
was haunted.
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The first bedroom
that my parents put me in
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when I was very little
was the worst.
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It was very scary.
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This was my room
when I was really little,
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where all of the really
scary activity
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happened at the beginning.
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It was terrifying.
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I would hear footsteps
moving around the bed.
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And just being so scared,
I was just shaking,
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and I was too afraid to move,
too afraid to blink or breathe.
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But there was nothing.
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I don't believe
in telling a child,
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"You dreamt it" or whatever,
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but I did get a weird feeling,
something's not right here.
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From my perspective,
children, they've just come
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from the spirit realm
and they're aging through.
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But because of that,
they are so sensitive
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to the spirit realm
that exists around them.
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I tend to believe
that what children
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are experiencing is real.
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I needed to understand
what was going on.
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So I decided to go
to the town archives
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to see what
we could find out.
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We went through the archives
and found out that the house
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was built
in approximately 1856.
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As we learned
in the neighborhood,
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it seemed like
every family in the area
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had some connection
to our home.
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You know, and that
they'd been there for funerals,
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they'd been there for weddings.
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When you have events that
are really emotionally charged,
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that can imprint on a space.
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For example, if you have
a wedding somewhere
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and you're a spirit,
that might be a place
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that you wanna go and revisit.
It's a special place for you.
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Likewise, if a funeral happened
there, you might have grief
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that's really associated
in that space for a spirit
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who also might be
going back there
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for those familiar memories.
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My question around that then
is, well, who is that?
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Who is tied
to this space specifically?
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I heard a noise upstairs,
and then I heard a voice.
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It was right up there,
the top of the stairs.
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That's where I saw her.
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She made it very clear
she didn't want me to come up.
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It's such a surreal feeling
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when you see
something like this.
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Don't come up.
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Everything just goes on hold.
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The message that I heard
in my head was, "Don't come up."
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It was like
she was territorial.
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Angry, but almost threatening.
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She wanted me to know,
"I'm here."
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I got angry.
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It's like, "No way.
Like, this is my child.
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This is my daughter.
You don't tell me to stay away."
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And I just stormed right up
and went through
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where she'd been standing,
and, you know,
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that mama bear thing
comes out, right?
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As a child,
it could be very scary
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to have this entity around.
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You never really knew
when she was gonna pop up,
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and it felt like
she was always here.
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She was always part
of the fabric of the house.
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Lori mentions that she was
speaking with her neighbor,
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and they came across
a photograph where there was
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a woman in the photograph
that Lori recognized.
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It was the woman that she had
been encountering in her home.
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I was able to identify
who she was,
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the past owner of my house.
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It was her ghost that I saw
at the top of the stairs.
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This is really crucial
because the past owner
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might be inhabiting
the house still
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as if she's living in the home.
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So when you get people
who move into your space,
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it can feel very intrusive.
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You can feel like,
"OK, who are these strangers
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in my home?
I need to get them out."
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My mom did her best
to reassure me that she wasn't
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there to hurt me and she wasn't
gonna cause me any harm,
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but that my mom would do
what she needed to do
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to make sure that
she would take care of it.
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I knew I had to get rid
of the spirit once and for all.
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I did my research and I came
across an ancient method.
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I visualized her going up
and taken to where she needed
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to go to do her healing.
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The crossing was successful,
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and... I believe
that she found peace
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and we found peace
as well... for a while.
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I'm so relieved that
it worked out for Lori,
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that the ceremony helped
them be rid of the spirit.
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There's a sense
of harmony in the space,
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spiritually that is.
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Now I think it's time
for Lori to reconsider
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the abuse that's coming
from her husband.
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I would try to talk
to him calmly about
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how neither of us was happy
and we needed
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to start working
on our lives separately.
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I remember he would just grab
armloads of our things,
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and just take them outside
and set them on fire.
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Fire was his thing.
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I always kind
of figured that's the way
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we would both go out,
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that we would both
go out in fire.
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It was definitely hell,
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and my health was
going down-- downhill.
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One day when he was at work,
we took the dogs and we left.
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It ended up being
part of the agreement
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that my mom would
get this house.
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And so a few months
after we had left,
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my dad agreed to move out
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so that my mom
and I could move back in.
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We lived a relatively
quiet life.
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Until I got... an email
one day saying that
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Freddy was in the hospital
and not expected to live.
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Did we want
to say our goodbyes?
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We both went down that night,
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but it was
absolutely terrifying.
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We couldn't get over
the feeling that,
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like a monster,
he was gonna open his eyes
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and jump out of the bed.
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But we said our goodbyes
and said,
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"We're sending
you off with no hate.
252
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"You have to go
and deal with your demons.
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Go in love and light."
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It was about a week later,
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they'd taken
him off life support.
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This is where this complex
case of Lori Kinrade's
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takes a terrifying turn.
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It's gonna take
longer than we thought.
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It was the angry stomping,
it was that energy
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and that feeling like
somebody wants to get
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right in your face.
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It was familiar to the way
he would be stomping around
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when he was getting ready
to trash the place.
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That's when I realized that
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what was haunting us now
was Freddy,
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00:18:21,975 --> 00:18:23,811
and he was back
with a vengeance.
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00:18:26,939 --> 00:18:30,109
To be targeted by my late,
abusive husband
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was a whole different--
whole different level of terror.
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Lori's late husband, Freddy,
is probably enraged
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that Lori and her daughter
escaped from him in life.
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And now, in the afterlife,
he is quite probably
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trying to seek revenge
for what they had done.
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He really blamed me
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for, his words,
"Breaking up the family."
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He did... tell me
that he would kill me.
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In a lot of ways,
this makes sense,
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that even in death,
he couldn't let go.
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I was upstairs one night,
and I was just,
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I sort of got
into a purge mode.
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That was terrifying.
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This is really dangerous
at this point.
282
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The fact that you have
pieces of furniture
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that are being flung in the air
284
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says that this is
really physical,
285
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that this spirit
is really powerful
286
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and is perhaps, you know,
very aggressively
287
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trying to provoke
or inflict pain.
288
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There was nothing else
or no one else
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00:20:23,513 --> 00:20:25,432
that was capable of doing
that kind of violence,
290
00:20:25,557 --> 00:20:27,184
and it was too similar
to what he did
291
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when he was living.
292
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After my dad died
I brought the ashes
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00:20:38,362 --> 00:20:39,571
back to this house.
294
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There was really
nowhere else to keep them,
295
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so we kept them here.
296
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:46,954
But my mom and I had always
felt uncomfortable
297
00:20:47,037 --> 00:20:49,331
around the ashes.
It always felt a little uneasy.
298
00:20:51,959 --> 00:20:54,419
The activity in the house
had gotten so out of hand,
299
00:20:54,503 --> 00:20:56,713
and things were happening more
and more often around there,
300
00:20:56,797 --> 00:20:58,423
and she was getting
more and more concerned.
301
00:20:59,758 --> 00:21:02,010
So she messaged me and said,
"We need to get these ashes
302
00:21:02,135 --> 00:21:03,804
out of here right now."
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00:21:14,982 --> 00:21:16,275
I just felt
the negative energy.
304
00:21:16,358 --> 00:21:17,359
I had to get rid of it.
305
00:21:21,488 --> 00:21:25,867
Found a spot in Lake Huron
and I said another goodbye
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00:21:25,993 --> 00:21:27,577
to him and released him.
307
00:21:30,998 --> 00:21:33,750
I believe what Lori
and Bri-Anne did
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00:21:33,834 --> 00:21:35,335
was a way of getting closure.
309
00:21:35,419 --> 00:21:38,380
By putting those ashes
into the lake,
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they're essentially saying
to the spirit world,
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00:21:40,882 --> 00:21:43,927
to Freddy himself,
that you have no power here,
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you're not a part of this home.
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They're essentially
breaking spiritual bonds
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00:21:48,724 --> 00:21:51,476
between the spirit realm,
between Freddy,
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00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,520
and the presence
of him in their lives.
316
00:22:01,194 --> 00:22:04,656
I can't really explain
the revenge other than the fact
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00:22:04,740 --> 00:22:05,907
that I was still living.
318
00:22:07,117 --> 00:22:09,369
He was still angry
because I did leave.
319
00:22:09,494 --> 00:22:12,205
I got away from him.
We both did.
320
00:22:12,331 --> 00:22:15,542
This is my first time
to ever talk about this.
321
00:22:15,667 --> 00:22:18,337
Nobody in my family ever knew
any of this was going on.
322
00:22:21,506 --> 00:22:25,260
His life was all about secrets,
never telling,
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00:22:25,385 --> 00:22:27,679
never letting anybody see,
never letting anybody in.
324
00:22:29,723 --> 00:22:31,892
I'm letting it be known.
325
00:22:31,975 --> 00:22:33,769
There's no more
secrets anymore.
326
00:22:33,894 --> 00:22:35,729
We escaped.
327
00:22:35,854 --> 00:22:37,022
The long and the short
of it, right?
328
00:22:37,105 --> 00:22:38,482
We-- we escaped.
329
00:23:07,677 --> 00:23:09,346
When I was 12,
330
00:23:09,429 --> 00:23:10,806
my family moved
to a brand-new house
331
00:23:10,931 --> 00:23:13,975
in the Menifee area,
just south of LA.
332
00:23:16,144 --> 00:23:18,688
At the time,
it was a new development.
333
00:23:18,772 --> 00:23:19,981
It wasn't even a city yet.
334
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,818
It was kind of in the middle
of nowhere.
335
00:23:25,821 --> 00:23:27,280
But I was happy,
336
00:23:28,448 --> 00:23:30,784
'cause I liked
the peace and quiet.
337
00:23:30,867 --> 00:23:32,285
And it was easy
to make new friends.
338
00:23:34,413 --> 00:23:36,748
One day, all that peace
just went away.
339
00:23:47,092 --> 00:23:49,302
My father, he worked
as a police officer.
340
00:23:52,806 --> 00:23:54,933
His job put him in conflict
with the most dangerous
341
00:23:55,016 --> 00:23:56,685
criminals in the country.
342
00:24:02,649 --> 00:24:04,651
My dad felt like
because of his line of work,
343
00:24:04,734 --> 00:24:07,070
it was not safe for us
as a family to be out in public.
344
00:24:09,489 --> 00:24:11,992
So what any other family
could normally do,
345
00:24:12,117 --> 00:24:14,119
just sit down at a regular
fast-food restaurant,
346
00:24:14,202 --> 00:24:16,079
we had to drive out
of our town to do that.
347
00:24:17,706 --> 00:24:20,959
And you think a normal childhood
is having to sit down
348
00:24:21,042 --> 00:24:23,044
at a fast-food restaurant
20 minutes away from home.
349
00:24:23,170 --> 00:24:25,881
And you think that's normal.
And you find out why.
350
00:24:26,006 --> 00:24:28,008
You find out that
there's bad people
351
00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:29,718
hiding in places like this.
352
00:24:32,387 --> 00:24:33,680
My dad was a target
because of his job.
353
00:24:45,525 --> 00:24:46,943
He never told us anything,
354
00:24:47,027 --> 00:24:48,570
he wanted to keep that
out of the house.
355
00:24:50,822 --> 00:24:52,282
He wanted to make sure
we were safe.
356
00:24:55,452 --> 00:24:57,245
But, you know,
you're kids, you're curious.
357
00:24:58,788 --> 00:25:00,540
You wanna know what he does.
358
00:25:05,337 --> 00:25:07,214
I wish I wasn't so curious.
359
00:25:14,221 --> 00:25:16,014
Richard, take one-- mark.
360
00:25:16,097 --> 00:25:18,099
At first glance,
Clyde Morrison's case
361
00:25:18,225 --> 00:25:20,727
didn't look like
a particularly compelling case,
362
00:25:20,852 --> 00:25:22,729
and then I began to delve
a little bit deeper
363
00:25:22,854 --> 00:25:24,814
and found that there was
more to this than met the eye.
364
00:25:29,486 --> 00:25:31,655
I have seen many cases,
365
00:25:31,738 --> 00:25:33,990
and this is not
your average haunting.
366
00:25:37,577 --> 00:25:39,079
One night, my parents were away,
367
00:25:39,204 --> 00:25:41,164
and I was playing a game
with my younger brother.
368
00:25:43,583 --> 00:25:44,626
We're not normally alone.
369
00:25:45,752 --> 00:25:48,255
My family had to go do
a family emergency
370
00:25:48,338 --> 00:25:49,589
out of the state.
371
00:25:49,673 --> 00:25:50,632
We're gonna take
advantage of that
372
00:25:50,757 --> 00:25:52,384
and play games all night,
373
00:25:52,467 --> 00:25:54,511
eat all the food we weren't
supposed to be eating,
374
00:25:54,594 --> 00:25:56,888
all the things that
they told us not to do.
375
00:25:56,972 --> 00:25:59,474
Eight-- OK.
376
00:26:06,231 --> 00:26:07,399
It sounded like an adult.
377
00:26:08,525 --> 00:26:10,110
A man.
378
00:26:10,235 --> 00:26:11,987
I didn't know what he said,
I didn't hear the word,
379
00:26:12,112 --> 00:26:13,405
but it scared me.
380
00:26:28,712 --> 00:26:31,089
It sounded like
someone trying to scare us.
381
00:26:32,215 --> 00:26:34,676
Someone shouting like, "Hey,"
382
00:26:34,801 --> 00:26:37,429
something to get
your attention, and it did.
383
00:26:37,512 --> 00:26:38,847
It got all of our attention.
384
00:26:40,807 --> 00:26:43,518
Clyde and his brother
are quite young at this point.
385
00:26:43,643 --> 00:26:45,687
And so there could be
all sorts of things--
386
00:26:45,812 --> 00:26:47,355
and you're home alone
as a kid,
387
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,733
you know, every little bump,
every little sound
388
00:26:49,816 --> 00:26:52,444
can be scary
and can be emphasized.
389
00:26:52,527 --> 00:26:54,863
We tend to read into a lot
of things when we're children.
390
00:27:02,746 --> 00:27:04,956
I literally
thought someone had broken in.
391
00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:09,127
I knew I was in danger
right then and there.
392
00:27:10,837 --> 00:27:13,423
The only people
in that house was myself,
393
00:27:13,506 --> 00:27:15,342
my younger brother Malcolm.
394
00:27:16,843 --> 00:27:17,844
That was it.
395
00:27:26,895 --> 00:27:28,772
When doing
a paranormal investigation,
396
00:27:28,855 --> 00:27:30,690
you have to begin
by looking at the facts
397
00:27:30,815 --> 00:27:33,401
and ruling out
the real life things
398
00:27:33,526 --> 00:27:35,737
that are surrounding
an occurrence.
399
00:27:35,862 --> 00:27:37,739
He lives in a neighborhood
where there is a lot
400
00:27:37,864 --> 00:27:40,450
of crime that's happening,
so there is a lot
401
00:27:40,533 --> 00:27:43,703
of circumstance that could
come into play here.
402
00:27:45,246 --> 00:27:47,874
Clyde's dad works
for the gang unit.
403
00:27:47,957 --> 00:27:50,001
He deals with some
very bad individuals.
404
00:27:50,085 --> 00:27:52,587
He arrests them,
he puts them in prison.
405
00:27:52,712 --> 00:27:54,297
So we have to look
at the possibility
406
00:27:54,381 --> 00:27:57,133
that we are dealing
with a violent, vindictive,
407
00:27:57,217 --> 00:28:00,804
flesh and blood,
possibly homicidal individual
408
00:28:00,887 --> 00:28:03,598
who wants to hurt
a cop and his kids.
409
00:28:08,228 --> 00:28:10,980
When I looked,
I saw nothing.
410
00:28:11,064 --> 00:28:12,649
I just felt something.
411
00:28:15,944 --> 00:28:17,237
There's no one there.
412
00:28:18,363 --> 00:28:21,324
One, two three...
413
00:28:21,408 --> 00:28:23,576
I was terrified
that somebody was there,
414
00:28:23,702 --> 00:28:25,412
and I knew I wasn't gonna
be able to protect myself.
415
00:28:34,587 --> 00:28:38,258
It sounded like someone slammed
it shut as if they were upset.
416
00:28:42,595 --> 00:28:44,556
Clyde's account has taken a turn
417
00:28:44,639 --> 00:28:46,599
from kids getting spooked
all the way
418
00:28:46,725 --> 00:28:51,020
to something physical like big,
heavy indoor shutters slamming.
419
00:28:51,104 --> 00:28:52,772
Shutter slammed.
420
00:28:52,897 --> 00:28:54,524
We stopped immediately
what we were doing,
421
00:28:54,607 --> 00:28:56,234
wondering what the hell
just happened,
422
00:28:56,317 --> 00:28:59,237
since no one was
even next to it.
423
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:00,739
It takes
a great deal of physical force
424
00:29:00,822 --> 00:29:02,615
to slam shutters.
425
00:29:02,741 --> 00:29:05,869
It takes a lot of energy
to make that happen.
426
00:29:05,952 --> 00:29:09,456
Is this something paranormal
that is trying to intimidate,
427
00:29:09,539 --> 00:29:11,750
trying to scare
these two children,
428
00:29:11,833 --> 00:29:13,752
who it knows
are home alone?
429
00:29:15,837 --> 00:29:17,297
I ran outside
to get our neighbor.
430
00:29:19,966 --> 00:29:21,676
We were left in the care
of our next-door neighbor,
431
00:29:21,801 --> 00:29:23,762
to watch out for us.
432
00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:27,640
We were praying,
"Please just be home."
433
00:29:33,396 --> 00:29:35,732
Menifee,
because it is a new city,
434
00:29:35,815 --> 00:29:38,485
it was right smack in the middle
435
00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:41,488
of some pretty known
dangerous cities.
436
00:29:44,199 --> 00:29:47,535
Bad people started
going in our neighborhoods
437
00:29:47,660 --> 00:29:49,913
and breaking into vehicles,
438
00:29:49,996 --> 00:29:53,082
breaking into homes,
and stealing.
439
00:29:53,166 --> 00:29:57,337
And a lot of people
felt unsafe and unsure
440
00:29:57,420 --> 00:29:59,088
if it's gonna keep happening.
441
00:30:01,883 --> 00:30:04,260
There's a valid concern
that one of the people
442
00:30:04,344 --> 00:30:07,889
that Clyde's father has arrested
or one of their family members
443
00:30:08,014 --> 00:30:10,517
has found out where they live
and has targeted him.
444
00:30:10,642 --> 00:30:12,644
As soon as we told our neighbor
that somebody's in our house,
445
00:30:12,727 --> 00:30:15,438
he didn't question us.
He merely told us to stay put.
446
00:30:15,522 --> 00:30:17,273
He went back into his house
to grab his shotgun,
447
00:30:17,357 --> 00:30:19,359
and he went to our house.
448
00:30:22,862 --> 00:30:24,781
He had searched upstairs
and downstairs,
449
00:30:24,864 --> 00:30:26,741
and even in the backyard,
and even in the garage.
450
00:30:28,201 --> 00:30:30,495
And he let us know that
there was nobody in our house
451
00:30:30,578 --> 00:30:31,871
and that maybe
we were just tired
452
00:30:31,955 --> 00:30:33,248
and probably just
hearing things.
453
00:30:35,375 --> 00:30:37,877
We knew we heard somebody.
454
00:30:40,713 --> 00:30:42,924
It's possible that
Clyde and his brother have been
455
00:30:43,049 --> 00:30:45,885
the victims of a break-in,
but nothing was taken,
456
00:30:45,969 --> 00:30:49,138
nobody was harmed,
no intruder was seen,
457
00:30:49,222 --> 00:30:51,766
and they left the house
without leaving
458
00:30:51,891 --> 00:30:54,894
any sign of
having been there at all.
459
00:30:55,019 --> 00:30:56,437
That leads me to believe
460
00:30:56,563 --> 00:30:58,982
that this is not
a living person at all.
461
00:30:59,065 --> 00:31:00,900
We're dealing
with something paranormal.
462
00:31:10,368 --> 00:31:12,328
So after the days
go by and I realize,
463
00:31:12,453 --> 00:31:16,916
"OK, the house is fine, there's
nobody here, I'm safe again."
464
00:31:30,305 --> 00:31:33,057
It sounded like heavy footsteps
465
00:31:33,182 --> 00:31:35,310
on the shingles
above where I slept.
466
00:31:43,902 --> 00:31:46,070
It was somebody
on the roof walking around,
467
00:31:47,322 --> 00:31:48,865
and I froze.
468
00:31:51,075 --> 00:31:53,077
My dad was not even home yet.
469
00:31:57,457 --> 00:32:00,877
To hear a loud footstep
above where I slept,
470
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:02,921
it terrified me.
471
00:32:09,052 --> 00:32:10,929
My dad came home.
472
00:32:11,054 --> 00:32:16,643
Immediately, a wall
of this sour smell hit.
473
00:32:16,726 --> 00:32:20,146
It was just this disgusting,
strong odor
474
00:32:20,229 --> 00:32:21,773
that came off of my dad.
475
00:32:23,149 --> 00:32:25,068
He had to come back
from the morgue.
476
00:32:26,235 --> 00:32:27,403
He didn't look
at us in the eyes.
477
00:32:27,528 --> 00:32:29,280
He kind of looked down.
478
00:32:29,405 --> 00:32:31,616
And we didn't know
what was going on.
479
00:32:33,076 --> 00:32:35,620
The stuff that he had
to have seen at his job
480
00:32:35,745 --> 00:32:37,580
should never have happened.
481
00:32:38,748 --> 00:32:41,334
He's seen women getting hurt,
kids getting hurt.
482
00:32:43,419 --> 00:32:46,047
He's seen countless
gang members killing each other.
483
00:32:48,925 --> 00:32:51,260
He tried to make it a habit
when he would come home,
484
00:32:51,344 --> 00:32:53,262
have a smile on his face
to show us
485
00:32:53,346 --> 00:32:55,098
that the day didn't affect him.
486
00:32:55,223 --> 00:32:57,183
But we could tell that
he had a rough day at work.
487
00:32:59,102 --> 00:33:03,439
The fact that Clyde's father
works in such a high-stress,
488
00:33:03,523 --> 00:33:07,318
high-traumatic profession
that carries a lot
489
00:33:07,443 --> 00:33:10,571
of emotional baggage
would have a profound effect
490
00:33:10,655 --> 00:33:14,534
on not only Clyde's father,
but the whole entire family.
491
00:33:14,617 --> 00:33:17,745
Could it be the stresses
and strains that Clyde's father
492
00:33:17,829 --> 00:33:19,831
is dealing with
as a police officer--
493
00:33:19,956 --> 00:33:22,500
could the emotions,
the negative feelings
494
00:33:22,625 --> 00:33:24,627
that he experiences
because of that
495
00:33:24,711 --> 00:33:27,964
be drawing something in,
something that wants to feed
496
00:33:28,047 --> 00:33:29,799
on those negative emotions?
497
00:33:35,805 --> 00:33:37,640
I told my mom
about the footsteps.
498
00:33:39,684 --> 00:33:41,978
She thought
I was being dramatic.
499
00:33:43,438 --> 00:33:45,565
She told me that I need
to stop watching scary movies,
500
00:33:47,233 --> 00:33:50,945
that I was just scaring myself
and there was nothing going on.
501
00:33:53,656 --> 00:33:55,324
And I told her,
well, I didn't feel safe.
502
00:33:57,326 --> 00:33:58,911
Stop!
503
00:34:11,382 --> 00:34:13,092
But as matters escalate,
504
00:34:13,176 --> 00:34:15,261
they follow
less real-world logic,
505
00:34:15,344 --> 00:34:17,555
and it becomes apparent
that Clyde's dealing
506
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,515
with something
much more frightening.
507
00:34:20,725 --> 00:34:22,685
Children are very close
and vulnerable
508
00:34:22,810 --> 00:34:24,771
to the spirit realm
that's around them.
509
00:34:24,854 --> 00:34:27,356
And so the fact that Clyde
is feeling this,
510
00:34:27,482 --> 00:34:30,860
he's feeling a presence
in his room, in his spaces,
511
00:34:30,985 --> 00:34:33,362
that we need to trust
what he's saying.
512
00:34:35,364 --> 00:34:36,699
Before we moved into this house,
513
00:34:36,824 --> 00:34:39,077
we got lucky enough to be able
to watch it being made.
514
00:34:39,202 --> 00:34:41,788
And we were taken
there countless times
515
00:34:41,871 --> 00:34:44,874
from when it was just
piles of dirt everywhere.
516
00:34:44,957 --> 00:34:46,542
And my mother, she told us
517
00:34:46,626 --> 00:34:50,213
that the whole area
was a burial ground.
518
00:34:50,338 --> 00:34:51,547
Our whole street.
519
00:34:54,717 --> 00:34:58,054
According to Clyde's mother,
their subdivision is actually
520
00:34:58,179 --> 00:35:01,349
right on top of sacred
indigenous burial grounds,
521
00:35:01,432 --> 00:35:02,809
which is huge.
522
00:35:02,892 --> 00:35:05,937
Clyde brings up a very
interesting possibility.
523
00:35:06,062 --> 00:35:09,982
Moreno Valley has been
inhabited for thousands of years
524
00:35:10,066 --> 00:35:11,150
by the Pechanga people.
525
00:35:11,234 --> 00:35:12,819
It's very important
for people to understand
526
00:35:12,902 --> 00:35:16,989
that indigenous burial grounds
are sacred.
527
00:35:17,073 --> 00:35:18,950
They're like any other cemetery
528
00:35:19,075 --> 00:35:21,160
where people
are laying to rest.
529
00:35:21,244 --> 00:35:25,581
Can you imagine building a home
on somebody's family's remains?
530
00:35:25,706 --> 00:35:26,916
Absolutely not.
531
00:35:27,041 --> 00:35:30,753
So I can imagine that
if-- if their home is on top
532
00:35:30,837 --> 00:35:33,506
of a burial ground,
that those spirits could
533
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:37,760
potentially be feeling
disrespected and could be angry.
534
00:36:04,579 --> 00:36:07,748
I couldn't shake the thought
that somebody was just waiting.
535
00:36:26,225 --> 00:36:28,519
I started thinking maybe
it had something to do
536
00:36:28,603 --> 00:36:31,189
with the burial ground
where my house was built.
537
00:36:32,857 --> 00:36:34,066
That alone terrified me.
538
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:37,486
I imagined tons of spirits
everywhere, outside,
539
00:36:37,570 --> 00:36:39,530
inside the house,
540
00:36:39,614 --> 00:36:41,240
and I was afraid.
541
00:36:41,324 --> 00:36:43,951
If it was
an indigenous burial ground,
542
00:36:44,076 --> 00:36:46,245
you would think
that these spirits
543
00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:49,665
would potentially be bothering
the whole family,
544
00:36:49,749 --> 00:36:51,709
but it specifically
targeted Clyde.
545
00:36:51,792 --> 00:36:53,085
So this leads me to believe
546
00:36:53,211 --> 00:36:55,588
that it is something
a little more personal.
547
00:37:01,928 --> 00:37:04,263
I started feeling like
somebody was staring at me.
548
00:37:06,349 --> 00:37:08,226
The hair on my entire body
stood up.
549
00:37:14,273 --> 00:37:15,524
And I was scared
out of my mind.
550
00:37:24,951 --> 00:37:27,495
It felt like
it wanted to harm me,
551
00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:29,747
and it was going to do
whatever it could to do that.
552
00:37:40,466 --> 00:37:41,592
I'm laying down in bed.
553
00:37:44,345 --> 00:37:45,471
In the corner,
554
00:37:45,596 --> 00:37:47,348
it was-- something
was just standing there.
555
00:37:47,473 --> 00:37:49,350
I can only see
the silhouette of it,
556
00:37:49,475 --> 00:37:51,519
but I can just feel it,
it was just staring at me.
557
00:37:56,107 --> 00:37:57,984
And it terrified
the hell out of me.
558
00:38:15,376 --> 00:38:17,336
I mean, there's being scared,
559
00:38:17,461 --> 00:38:18,546
and then there's
the next level up
560
00:38:18,671 --> 00:38:20,172
where you're just
shaking with fear.
561
00:38:21,799 --> 00:38:22,800
It came back...
562
00:38:24,385 --> 00:38:26,679
over and over again.
563
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:37,690
What is this?
564
00:38:39,525 --> 00:38:41,110
Where did it come from?
565
00:38:43,696 --> 00:38:45,031
What the hell does it want?
566
00:39:01,881 --> 00:39:04,300
The strange phenomena
that's plaguing Clyde
567
00:39:04,383 --> 00:39:07,345
started on the periphery,
but as he goes
568
00:39:07,428 --> 00:39:09,680
through these experiences
night after night,
569
00:39:09,764 --> 00:39:15,019
it is closing in on him like
a hunter closes in on its prey.
570
00:39:19,482 --> 00:39:21,567
I would always try and see
what its face looked like.
571
00:39:24,904 --> 00:39:26,655
And it made sure
it had nothing for me
572
00:39:26,739 --> 00:39:29,241
to be able to describe it
to, to anyone.
573
00:39:38,667 --> 00:39:41,170
When an apparition
manifests visually,
574
00:39:41,253 --> 00:39:44,382
its appearance can sometimes
tell us about the way
575
00:39:44,465 --> 00:39:47,426
in which it died or some
key piece of information
576
00:39:47,551 --> 00:39:49,261
about the haunting itself.
577
00:39:52,932 --> 00:39:54,975
Once I realized
I couldn't see his face,
578
00:39:56,602 --> 00:39:58,771
I remember thinking
back on the camera.
579
00:40:03,275 --> 00:40:06,070
My dad had a camera
to document certain things
580
00:40:06,153 --> 00:40:07,822
that he was gonna testify
in court.
581
00:40:09,532 --> 00:40:12,201
And I got curious one day.
582
00:40:16,789 --> 00:40:19,750
I hit this library button
on the camera
583
00:40:19,834 --> 00:40:22,628
to see the last picture
that was taken on the camera.
584
00:40:24,505 --> 00:40:26,132
And it was just horrible.
585
00:40:30,803 --> 00:40:33,305
This person had killed
himself...
586
00:40:34,890 --> 00:40:35,891
with a shotgun.
587
00:40:37,685 --> 00:40:40,646
I immediately
connected the dots.
588
00:40:43,524 --> 00:40:45,651
My dad was going
to arrest this person.
589
00:40:45,734 --> 00:40:48,195
And I believe
he blamed my father
590
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,655
for having to kill himself.
591
00:40:50,865 --> 00:40:53,159
So now,
he was looking for revenge.
592
00:40:58,372 --> 00:41:00,916
We gathered the data,
we've analyzed the evidence,
593
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,752
and one conclusion stands out
from all the others--
594
00:41:03,836 --> 00:41:07,214
that this victim felt
that he was cornered.
595
00:41:07,339 --> 00:41:10,092
Being arrested by Clyde's father
pushed him into taking
596
00:41:10,176 --> 00:41:13,012
his own life.
He lost his entire world.
597
00:41:13,095 --> 00:41:16,932
And now, I think he wants
to inflict some degree of loss
598
00:41:17,016 --> 00:41:18,100
on Clyde's father.
599
00:41:18,184 --> 00:41:20,728
He's not targeting
the police officer himself.
600
00:41:20,853 --> 00:41:21,854
He's targeting the thing
601
00:41:21,979 --> 00:41:24,356
that he cares for most
in all the world, his son.
602
00:41:27,985 --> 00:41:30,696
This thing haunted me
from the time I was 13
603
00:41:30,821 --> 00:41:32,281
until I was 18.
604
00:41:35,868 --> 00:41:37,244
And that's when I moved out
of the house.
605
00:41:39,246 --> 00:41:40,539
And I never saw it again.
606
00:41:43,334 --> 00:41:45,419
Till this day,
I am still afraid of the dark.
607
00:41:46,587 --> 00:41:49,798
I've learned that
there's a lot more to life
608
00:41:51,217 --> 00:41:53,302
and there's a lot more to death
that we don't understand.
609
00:41:54,428 --> 00:41:56,555
Just because they were bad
when they were alive
610
00:41:56,639 --> 00:41:59,683
doesn't mean they'll be good
when they're dead.
611
00:41:59,767 --> 00:42:00,935
Sometimes they stay bad.
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