Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated:
1
00:00:11,679 --> 00:00:13,799
this began a year ago when Charles
2
00:00:13,799 --> 00:00:15,519
Manson a man thought to be the
3
00:00:15,519 --> 00:00:18,760
embodiment of evil started calling if
4
00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,119
you can find a way to get me a cell
5
00:00:22,119 --> 00:00:25,439
phone to where I can use it and call let
6
00:00:25,439 --> 00:00:28,480
make it in the game if you can find a
7
00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,080
way where you can do what you want to do
8
00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,200
but as soon as you get there you're
9
00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,399
going to have 15,000 people who are
10
00:00:36,399 --> 00:00:38,680
covering up what they've already been
11
00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,640
stealing and doing what do you say to
12
00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,399
one of the most infamous Mass murderers
13
00:00:43,399 --> 00:00:46,120
of all time when given the chance we ask
14
00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,760
for his story in his own words I don't
15
00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,239
give a about telling my story my
16
00:00:53,239 --> 00:00:57,600
story is been all over the
17
00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,680
world a thousand times T of thousand
18
00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,400
times you are for you right
19
00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,640
right long as we understand that this is
20
00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,920
not based on friendship not based on
21
00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,400
brotherhood it's based on guns and
22
00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:22,640
knives it's based on Revolution and War
23
00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,360
politics and
24
00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,840
government
25
00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,240
survival though decades have passed P
26
00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,200
since his conviction the obsessive
27
00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,799
interest never waned Manson of all
28
00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:37,560
people appreciates his notoriety I'm the
29
00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,439
most famous human being not only that is
30
00:01:40,439 --> 00:01:42,920
alive but the most famous human being
31
00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,200
that ever lived and I'm not even
32
00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,000
did you think is going to happen
33
00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,840
when I die the problem is Manson is
34
00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,200
famous the kids nowadays they don't look
35
00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,840
behind to see exactly what it is he
36
00:02:06,039 --> 00:02:08,879
did in the late' 60s Charles Manson was
37
00:02:08,879 --> 00:02:10,319
convicted for the brutal murder of
38
00:02:10,319 --> 00:02:12,920
actress Sharon Tate and eight others he
39
00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:15,160
was sentenced to death for all of them
40
00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:16,640
when the California Supreme Court
41
00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:19,560
abolished the death penalty in 1972 his
42
00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,080
sentence was commuted to life in prison
43
00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,640
the reality of it is uh beyond the
44
00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:28,400
his own death
45
00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,680
Ro already done that been
46
00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,040
there the people that haven't done it
47
00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,519
and haven't been there they don't
48
00:02:35,519 --> 00:02:37,080
understand it you know they don't have
49
00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,159
respect for it I got
50
00:02:41,159 --> 00:02:43,720
respect Manson's murder spree took place
51
00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:45,159
in the summer of
52
00:02:45,159 --> 00:02:47,920
1969 it was the peak of the Vietnam War
53
00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:50,760
in a time of civil unrest it is said
54
00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,400
that Charles Manson was the leader of a
55
00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,280
cult called the Manson
56
00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,040
family they lived outside of society
57
00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,239
indulging in a constant stream of drugs
58
00:02:59,239 --> 00:03:00,720
and sex
59
00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,000
we went where nobody had ever went
60
00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,080
before not thinking about it just it
61
00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,799
just happened man I wasn't nobody's
62
00:03:09,799 --> 00:03:12,519
leader I wasn't everybody I
63
00:03:12,519 --> 00:03:14,879
could sex Revolution everybody was doing
64
00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:17,760
it I just get my share that's
65
00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,560
all the first murder took place in July
66
00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:21,280
of
67
00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,840
1969 Manson was convicted of ordering
68
00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,560
three of his disciples to kill and
69
00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,040
associate in a plot to extort money
70
00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:29,799
after they stabbed the victim to death
71
00:03:29,799 --> 00:03:31,760
Manson's followers rote on the walls in
72
00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:32,879
his
73
00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:35,319
blood a month later the murders
74
00:03:35,319 --> 00:03:37,439
escalated the official account from the
75
00:03:37,439 --> 00:03:40,040
Los Angeles District Attorney is this
76
00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,840
Charles Manson sent out more cult
77
00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,879
members to an isolated House in Beverly
78
00:03:43,879 --> 00:03:45,920
Hills with orders to kill everyone
79
00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,319
inside it was the home of beautiful and
80
00:03:48,319 --> 00:03:50,400
Pregnant movie star Sharon Tate who was
81
00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,879
spending the evening with
82
00:03:52,879 --> 00:03:55,159
friends how could they drive up to that
83
00:03:55,159 --> 00:03:57,519
house get out and know what they're
84
00:03:57,519 --> 00:03:59,920
going to do nobody was going to leave
85
00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:03,280
that house alive and it it it was just
86
00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:04,480
boggles the
87
00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,480
mind he says I go out and do this and
88
00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,000
then you're all in the car together go
89
00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,840
okay we're going to do it nobody says
90
00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,120
like should we we doing this Oran
91
00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,440
Charlie right no question unquestionable
92
00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,160
they went and they would did what they
93
00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,680
did at Charles Manson's trial the
94
00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,280
prosecution stated on the evening of
95
00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:26,520
August the 8th 1969 Charles Manson sent
96
00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,800
his robots out on a mission of murder
97
00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,800
there is no evidence that he actually
98
00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,520
personally killed any of the victims in
99
00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:37,360
this case you to get upun and kill your
100
00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:38,960
food every
101
00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:43,520
day he be hell Warrior
102
00:04:43,759 --> 00:04:46,360
man before they left one of the killers
103
00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,039
rote on a door this time using Sharon
104
00:04:49,039 --> 00:04:54,160
Tate's blood they wanted to shock the
105
00:04:58,479 --> 00:05:00,840
public and a scene described by
106
00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:03,080
investigators as reminiscent of a weird
107
00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,840
religious ritual five persons including
108
00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:09,039
actress Sharon Tate were found
109
00:05:09,039 --> 00:05:11,280
dead among the other victims were
110
00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:14,400
Hollywood Hair Stylist J
111
00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,639
Sebring one officer summed up the
112
00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:19,319
murders when he said in all my years I
113
00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:23,160
have never seen anything like this
114
00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,240
before I was in the kitchen and the
115
00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:26,720
phone
116
00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,120
rang he said they think Jay and Sharon
117
00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,639
have just been mured
118
00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,520
murdered I remember just sinking down I
119
00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,400
was standing up against the sink and I
120
00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,759
just sank down to the floor I was like
121
00:05:38,759 --> 00:05:40,160
I'm melting I'm
122
00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,360
melting I was stunned I was shocked I
123
00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:44,800
was in
124
00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,319
hysterics when the murders took place
125
00:05:47,319 --> 00:05:50,360
people were buying Gatling guns the
126
00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,319
whole town bought guns they were
127
00:05:52,319 --> 00:05:54,560
frightened to death for months for
128
00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,280
someone to hang up the phone on your
129
00:05:56,280 --> 00:05:59,120
boyfriend and then the next morning hear
130
00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,800
that he's been brutally murdered with
131
00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,479
three of his
132
00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,840
friends that's horrifying Manson's crime
133
00:06:08,840 --> 00:06:11,280
spree wasn't finished the day after the
134
00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:13,319
murder of Sharon Tate and others Charles
135
00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:15,160
Manson took members of his group out
136
00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,520
again this time they went to the home of
137
00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,479
an affluent couple named loo and
138
00:06:19,479 --> 00:06:22,720
rosemary Lanka allegedly Manson ordered
139
00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,240
three of his followers to butcher the
140
00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,120
couple leaving more messages Written in
141
00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,120
Blood
142
00:06:31,919 --> 00:06:37,199
they never lied about me all say I think
143
00:06:37,199 --> 00:06:40,800
he said go in you and kill those people
144
00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,840
well she could think a big elephant
145
00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:43,880
that's
146
00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,639
serly that's like a horror movie it's
147
00:06:46,639 --> 00:06:48,639
like those movies where you wonder who's
148
00:06:48,639 --> 00:06:51,680
going to be next people put the bad
149
00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,160
mouth on somebody for all kinds of
150
00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:56,800
psychological
151
00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:03,759
reasons jealousy is a big reg people
152
00:07:04,039 --> 00:07:06,280
manuver when Charles Manson and his
153
00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:08,479
family were arrested and charged it
154
00:07:08,479 --> 00:07:10,440
became the longest and most expensive
155
00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,319
trial in the history of Los Angeles the
156
00:07:13,319 --> 00:07:17,120
Fright in the town was so gigantic about
157
00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,440
this and he looked like the devil
158
00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,039
sitting in court that trial was like a
159
00:07:24,039 --> 00:07:29,199
circus I mean it was insanity
160
00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,520
during the trial Manson carved an X in
161
00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,400
his forehead which he later turned into
162
00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,479
a swastika and shaved off all of his
163
00:07:38,479 --> 00:07:40,560
hair to symbolize his desire to be
164
00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,160
discarded from society his followers all
165
00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,240
did the same then I realize that X on
166
00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,479
them heads means that head is gone man
167
00:07:49,479 --> 00:07:51,000
you know they still think that person's
168
00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,000
there because they got a head you but I
169
00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,919
took that head I got it on my
170
00:07:55,919 --> 00:07:58,120
belt every time I went to court every
171
00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,960
day they'd be out there you know singing
172
00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,919
Charlie Charlie and the swas stickers on
173
00:08:02,919 --> 00:08:05,120
the head shaving their hair and you know
174
00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,560
I mean that that's not normal you that's
175
00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,639
Looney tuings right
176
00:08:11,479 --> 00:08:13,960
there for half a century Charles
177
00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,440
Manson's bizarre behavior continued and
178
00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,639
speculation over his unspeakable crimes
179
00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:19,720
has only
180
00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,919
intensified but the question has always
181
00:08:21,919 --> 00:08:24,199
remained how did Charles Manon get these
182
00:08:24,199 --> 00:08:28,240
people to kill for him
183
00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,880
that stupid district attorney
184
00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,000
convicted me for a Helter
185
00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,440
Skelter thing that he was thinking but
186
00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,640
it took me 40 years to figure out what a
187
00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,560
called was when speaking to Charles
188
00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:48,800
Manson the topic of Helter Skelter comes
189
00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,320
up frequently and Manson's answer is
190
00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,880
always the same he maintains that Helter
191
00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,800
Skelter was invented by the prosecution
192
00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,680
the Manson family's convictions were led
193
00:08:58,680 --> 00:09:01,000
by Vincent Bo OSI who wrote the book
194
00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,959
Helter Skelter which became the
195
00:09:02,959 --> 00:09:05,440
bestselling True Crime book of all time
196
00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,720
according to bugliosi Helter Skelter was
197
00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,720
a name Charles Manson gave to his own
198
00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,800
bizarre philosophy which he derived from
199
00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,440
the name of a beetle song one of their
200
00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,800
favorite things to do is they would sit
201
00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,800
around on acid and listen to The Beatles
202
00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,600
White out they determined what the
203
00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,160
Beatles were doing is they were sending
204
00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,440
messages to blacks to rise up and start
205
00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,360
a revolution
206
00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,720
Manson allegedly convinced his followers
207
00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,839
that he foresaw the race War prophesized
208
00:09:38,839 --> 00:09:40,760
by The Beatles and told them they needed
209
00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,920
to slaughter white affluent victims to
210
00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,560
further Inspire the black Revolution
211
00:09:45,560 --> 00:09:46,560
Helter
212
00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:50,079
Skelter it's a social Uprising between
213
00:09:50,079 --> 00:09:52,160
the blacks and the whites the start of a
214
00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:56,560
race war the apocalyptic end if you
215
00:09:56,560 --> 00:09:59,480
will Charlie and the family will hide
216
00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,440
underground they will be the remaining
217
00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,240
ones left the prosecution claimed that
218
00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,399
Charles Manson and his followers plan to
219
00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:08,440
hide out in a secret cave located in
220
00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,160
Death Valley and waited out the war when
221
00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,000
the dust had settled they would emerge
222
00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,839
and Charles Manson believed he would
223
00:10:14,839 --> 00:10:17,079
rebuild the world to say it was an
224
00:10:17,079 --> 00:10:20,519
unusual motive as an understatement but
225
00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:24,200
I can tell you that was the
226
00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,880
motive nothing could have been more
227
00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,680
horrendous than what happened that that
228
00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:33,000
night to innocent people
229
00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,079
who didn't even know their murderers and
230
00:10:36,079 --> 00:10:38,480
and
231
00:10:38,519 --> 00:10:42,360
and and the reasons that that this
232
00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,639
Maniac orchestrated this whole thing
233
00:10:44,639 --> 00:10:47,680
were just Looney
234
00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:50,480
Tunes I think God damn this is not what
235
00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:55,480
I wanted to be doesn't matter what I
236
00:10:56,639 --> 00:10:59,600
wanted according to Manson helter SC Al
237
00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,600
is a myth and the true story behind the
238
00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,240
murders is one that remains
239
00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,959
Untold I've been deep in thought in
240
00:11:06,959 --> 00:11:10,440
solitary confinement for almost 40 years
241
00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,000
thinking what the hell does all this
242
00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,959
mean how does that fit where does that
243
00:11:13,959 --> 00:11:16,440
work and the stuff that I've come up
244
00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,399
with man it's just
245
00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:21,600
unbelievable it's totally
246
00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,600
unbelievable when speaking of Charles
247
00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,760
Manson the most famous mind-controlling
248
00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,920
mass murder of all time you had to be
249
00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,720
careful not to take him at his word but
250
00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,120
after months of conversations questions
251
00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,880
began to emerge the precious point is
252
00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,320
that the health of sculpure that the da
253
00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,480
made into what he was doing was
254
00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,959
basically when they lose control they
255
00:11:46,959 --> 00:11:50,600
don't admit that they lost
256
00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,360
control they just lost
257
00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,079
face and then make another movie like
258
00:11:56,079 --> 00:11:57,560
you
259
00:11:57,560 --> 00:11:59,920
doing people who have looked into the
260
00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:02,639
case Beyond just a superficial level of
261
00:12:02,639 --> 00:12:04,959
reading Helter Skelter don't believe any
262
00:12:04,959 --> 00:12:07,800
of that stuff in fact most of the media
263
00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,519
do believe that he was trying to ignite
264
00:12:09,519 --> 00:12:12,160
a race war and called Helter Skelter and
265
00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,600
the whole thing we spoke with authors
266
00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,600
researchers and people who know Charles
267
00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,720
Manson directly Charles Manson
268
00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,320
personally put us in contact with people
269
00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,040
who know him others we found on our own
270
00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:24,920
we sought to speak to anyone who was
271
00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,079
there when the crimes took place all to
272
00:12:27,079 --> 00:12:30,199
unravel what actually happened back in
273
00:12:30,199 --> 00:12:33,680
1969 we didn't have access to the police
274
00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:35,880
reports we didn't have access to autopsy
275
00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,519
or the FBI Files so we're more inclined
276
00:12:38,519 --> 00:12:40,760
to believe the official
277
00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,600
narrative you'll find out
278
00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,720
man have a good day here
279
00:12:53,839 --> 00:12:56,839
brother this is global ta link you have
280
00:12:56,839 --> 00:13:00,040
a prepaid call from
281
00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,320
B an inmate at the California medical
282
00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,320
facility Ville
283
00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,959
California Bobby bosle was the first
284
00:13:08,959 --> 00:13:10,760
person arrested and accused of being a
285
00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,040
member of the Manson family he's been in
286
00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,839
prison since
287
00:13:14,839 --> 00:13:17,760
1969 it is extremely important that
288
00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,120
people understand what happened if we
289
00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:21,440
don't want the same kind of things to
290
00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,279
happen again we have to understand them
291
00:13:23,279 --> 00:13:25,120
and we can't understand them in the
292
00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,880
context of vce Boo's little Horror Story
293
00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,040
he did more to victimize
294
00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:34,000
Sharon Kate and Charlie
295
00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,639
man it's the same weak orated Helter
296
00:13:38,639 --> 00:13:41,320
Skelter nonsense that is so far away
297
00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,920
from the truth I will never to get a
298
00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,199
parole say that what buosi said was true
299
00:13:47,199 --> 00:13:49,480
never I'd rather die in prison than get
300
00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:50,959
out on a
301
00:13:50,959 --> 00:13:53,600
line part of it was the cries and the
302
00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,000
desperation that had set in in
303
00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,720
1969 and you know the event
304
00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:00,959
got out of
305
00:14:00,959 --> 00:14:05,000
hand a lot of his attitudes and
306
00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,240
beliefs that had been engendered while
307
00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,160
he was in prison he came
308
00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,800
expressed and again I'm not defending
309
00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,279
him you know he was a
310
00:14:16,279 --> 00:14:20,240
psychopath for sure and that had been
311
00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,639
not genetic but something that had been
312
00:14:23,639 --> 00:14:25,959
developed you know his his compassion
313
00:14:25,959 --> 00:14:28,519
and empathy had been beaten out of him
314
00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:30,000
by the syst
315
00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,360
that he grew up in which was Juvenile
316
00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,839
Justice and Criminal Justice
317
00:14:34,839 --> 00:14:37,680
System Manson told many people many
318
00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,759
stories about his childhood but certain
319
00:14:39,759 --> 00:14:43,240
aspects of his upbringing are
320
00:14:43,639 --> 00:14:46,240
irrefutable his birth certificate from
321
00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,120
1934 identifies his mother as Kathleen
322
00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,120
Maddox a 15-year-old single mother who
323
00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,480
struggled with alcohol and was often
324
00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:59,120
arrested my mother and my uncle get TI
325
00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,639
and Sheed to throw away sometime around
326
00:15:02,639 --> 00:15:05,160
1944 when Kathleen couldn't care for her
327
00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,040
son or she was arrested Manson began
328
00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,320
what would become a lifetime in
329
00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,000
prison Michael channels has known Manson
330
00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,480
personally for 25 years and has quite
331
00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,240
possibly spent more time face to face
332
00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,000
with him than anyone else if there is a
333
00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,959
Charlie Manson Charlie Manson was
334
00:15:21,959 --> 00:15:23,880
probably created first time he went into
335
00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,279
those boys homes that kid went through
336
00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:28,120
some hell in there and some of the
337
00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,680
things that he told me he'll never admit
338
00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,800
to being raped by men or anything like
339
00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,279
that that's just one thing he just don't
340
00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:38,279
do he just don't that puts you in a
341
00:15:38,279 --> 00:15:40,199
whole different
342
00:15:40,199 --> 00:15:42,639
mindset it's about life or death where
343
00:15:42,639 --> 00:15:45,240
he's at life or
344
00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,480
death I've only been outside a couple
345
00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,160
years when I got this case here you
346
00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,600
figure that if you go lock up in reform
347
00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,680
school and you're 9 years old and you
348
00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,720
don't get out until you're 20 in your
349
00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,880
brain you're still 9 years old on the
350
00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,279
outside can you see
351
00:16:04,279 --> 00:16:07,519
that he doesn't trust nobody he doesn't
352
00:16:07,519 --> 00:16:10,519
even trust me up until this day as long
353
00:16:10,519 --> 00:16:12,000
as I can tell you that I've known him
354
00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,440
and interacted with him as a pen pal
355
00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,759
visited him in jail talk to him on the
356
00:16:16,759 --> 00:16:21,199
telephone for some 25 years now he don't
357
00:16:21,199 --> 00:16:24,680
trust me as far as he can
358
00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,079
spit anyone that helps me is helping
359
00:16:30,079 --> 00:16:32,319
themselves and I don't get much help
360
00:16:32,319 --> 00:16:35,199
because there ain't nobody there so it's
361
00:16:35,199 --> 00:16:37,560
like everybody that's using me they're
362
00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,000
not helping me they're just riding on
363
00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,480
me police records reflect that by the
364
00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,920
time Charles Manson was 24 years old he'
365
00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,720
been arrested more than 30 times among
366
00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,480
his numerous offenses he'd been caught
367
00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,560
driving stolen cars across state lines
368
00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,560
broken his probation escaped from a
369
00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,440
federal prison was convicted of check
370
00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,639
forgery maale theft and even pimping the
371
00:16:58,639 --> 00:17:01,959
first first time I visited him he walked
372
00:17:01,959 --> 00:17:04,240
out of the back it was just prison was
373
00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,039
just radiating off of him he's prison
374
00:17:08,039 --> 00:17:10,640
he's not from your world in my normal
375
00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,559
World out here those like George Stimson
376
00:17:13,559 --> 00:17:15,520
whove spent time visiting Charles Manson
377
00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,600
in person insists that his view of the
378
00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,439
world is defined by his life in prison
379
00:17:20,439 --> 00:17:22,039
prison is a
380
00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:26,039
mind the mind is prison that's why they
381
00:17:26,039 --> 00:17:28,319
haven't been able to break me because
382
00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:32,559
there's no a thing they're in a fantasy
383
00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:34,919
they don't have a
384
00:17:34,919 --> 00:17:38,120
reality I've met him and I've talked to
385
00:17:38,120 --> 00:17:40,760
him a lot and I've looked in his
386
00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,520
eyes he said himself if he was guilty of
387
00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,039
anything he wouldn't have made it
388
00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:47,919
through this long you can feel people
389
00:17:47,919 --> 00:17:49,640
you know truth
390
00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,160
tellers you feel them right away and you
391
00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,120
want to be around him he's not lying
392
00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:56,400
about
393
00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,159
nothing most of the people people in
394
00:17:59,159 --> 00:18:00,840
here are just your Reflections they're
395
00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:01,600
your
396
00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,280
mistakes as a collective
397
00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,720
Society leading up to the summer of 1967
398
00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,280
Charles Manson was in Los Angeles
399
00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,039
serving time for check forgery in a
400
00:18:12,039 --> 00:18:15,919
federal prison called terminal
401
00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,120
Island 2 years before the murder spree
402
00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:24,080
Phil kman was arrested trying to smuggle
403
00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,440
marijuana into the US from Mexico he
404
00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,360
ended up in prison alongside Charles man
405
00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:31,720
I got arrested in in Tucson Arizona I
406
00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,640
got to terminal Island and I had just
407
00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,960
gone through Theo admission and
408
00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,880
orientation and before I was allowed out
409
00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,520
in the yard there's this guy with a
410
00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,440
guitar being in prison and and you you
411
00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,240
got to be careful who you associate with
412
00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,520
and Charlie was a good guy to hang out
413
00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,240
with because he didn't give a and
414
00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,080
uh and he played music Phil Kaufman knew
415
00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,280
Manson on the inside before anyone ever
416
00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,440
Associated the name Charles Manson with
417
00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,080
the devil incarnate Kaufman calls the
418
00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,240
man he called Charlie as a laid-back
419
00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,600
inmate fully comfortable in prison life
420
00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,320
to the point that he was completely
421
00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,480
unwilling to reform if you get five
422
00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,880
years in a feral Penitentiary and they
423
00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,600
don't give you any incentive you just do
424
00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,640
five years and you're uncontrollable but
425
00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,080
when you're sentenced and they give you
426
00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,559
good time so a 5year sentence may be
427
00:19:17,559 --> 00:19:20,159
only 40 months but Charlie didn't do
428
00:19:20,159 --> 00:19:22,159
that he did all the time he didn't
429
00:19:22,159 --> 00:19:24,480
program you they got 5 years Charlie did
430
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,799
5 years he was playing his guitar and I
431
00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:29,480
said this guy sounds good so so a guard
432
00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,320
comes up to him and says Manson you
433
00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:32,640
ain't never going to get out of here
434
00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,080
Charlie just kept playing his guitar and
435
00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,120
said out don't where man and just kept
436
00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:40,640
going I was a federal prisoner dead when
437
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,960
I got out of terminal Island can you
438
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,159
understand that it was like I have
439
00:19:47,159 --> 00:19:51,760
played that game and won every pocket
440
00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,799
Manson's release paperwork from terminal
441
00:19:53,799 --> 00:19:56,760
island is dated March 21st
442
00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,400
1967 Vietnam was at the Forefront of the
443
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,280
American Consciousness and a large
444
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:02,919
segment of the male population was
445
00:20:02,919 --> 00:20:05,880
either at war or School many of the
446
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,679
women Left Behind were embracing what
447
00:20:07,679 --> 00:20:10,400
would become known as The Summer of Love
448
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,080
there was a lot of runaways at the time
449
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,760
and a lot of people disenchanted with
450
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,480
the the status quo and they were easy
451
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,559
marks you know especially up in San
452
00:20:18,559 --> 00:20:21,280
Francisco man you know the acid and the
453
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,120
pot and everything they were looking for
454
00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:25,720
love and Charlie was you know selling at
455
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,480
wholesale this is when it's been
456
00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,600
reported that Charles mans formed a cult
457
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,200
called the Manson family how did he
458
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,240
transition from a chronic Petty criminal
459
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,320
to a psychotic villain capable of Mind
460
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,840
Control until this point in his life he'
461
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,919
never been charged with a violent crime
462
00:20:40,919 --> 00:20:42,840
and no one had ever described him as a
463
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,400
guru or spiritual leader so something
464
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,120
had to change in the summer of
465
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,600
1967 it's
466
00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,520
run when I get out of prison I run till
467
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,679
I'm back in prison
468
00:21:03,679 --> 00:21:06,320
again according to Manson right after
469
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:07,960
prison he spent the first year going
470
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,679
back and forth between hate ashbery and
471
00:21:09,679 --> 00:21:12,039
San Francisco into panga Canyon in Los
472
00:21:12,039 --> 00:21:14,440
Angeles I went to Frisco and I talking
473
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,080
to this supposedly great holy guy you
474
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,400
dig and he's telling me when you can sit
475
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,120
and be uh comfortable and at peace with
476
00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:24,760
yourself that you're just in harmony so
477
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,080
now check this out I figured a lot of
478
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,640
things out I fig it would be easier not
479
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,720
to understand anything and keep your
480
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,840
mind open and never make your mind up
481
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,600
about
482
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,360
nothing Charles Manson's mix of 60s
483
00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:42,559
culture and prison jargon attracted
484
00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:44,840
young women communes were abundant in
485
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,039
California in 1967 this is when Manson
486
00:21:48,039 --> 00:21:49,559
met the first two members of what would
487
00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:52,120
become known as the Manson family Mary
488
00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:54,279
Bruner who would later give birth to his
489
00:21:54,279 --> 00:21:57,039
child and Lynette from better known as
490
00:21:57,039 --> 00:22:00,039
squeaky
491
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,440
remember these weren't Ordinary People
492
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,600
and I get upset with the historians that
493
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,480
refer to this group as uh hippies they
494
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,520
weren't hippies hippies were flower
495
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,960
children they believed in Make Love Not
496
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,720
War the family referred to themselves as
497
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,279
slippies they said they were going to
498
00:22:19,279 --> 00:22:21,679
slip under the awareness of society they
499
00:22:21,679 --> 00:22:25,679
were very violent it was a religious
500
00:22:25,679 --> 00:22:29,039
cult at trial the prosecution stated
501
00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:30,600
that the family was nothing more than a
502
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,400
closely knit band of Vagabond robots who
503
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,760
are slavishly obedient to one man and
504
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,760
one man only their Master their leader
505
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,679
their God Charles
506
00:22:40,679 --> 00:22:43,120
Manson one member of the group was
507
00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:44,960
Katherine Gillies she adopted the
508
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,720
nickname Capistrano or Kappy for short
509
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,480
after she fell in with Manson in the
510
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,520
spring of 1968 man that look real
511
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,360
okay we were trying to step out of
512
00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:57,480
society is what we're trying to do we
513
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,400
didn't have stabbing prce on Saturday
514
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,360
and hang Charlie from across and poking
515
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:03,440
with sticks on Sunday I mean none of
516
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,640
those things are real we didn't call
517
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,360
ourselves the man family that was this
518
00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:11,840
press we called ourselves a family but
519
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,600
we meant that because we were brothers
520
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:14,720
and
521
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,919
sisters not because we were the family
522
00:23:18,919 --> 00:23:20,799
we were a
523
00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:23,480
family the group was made up primarily
524
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,919
of young women contrary to the common
525
00:23:25,919 --> 00:23:27,480
picture of Manson being a master
526
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,279
manipulator who recruited them and
527
00:23:29,279 --> 00:23:31,960
controlled their minds Bobby BOS related
528
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,720
that they came together much differently
529
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,279
what most people don't understand is
530
00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:38,760
that wasn't Charlie's Charisma that
531
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,000
attracted more women it was once he had
532
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,080
two women together the women attracted
533
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,240
the women women like a community of
534
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,960
women and that was the attraction in
535
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,799
that group how they came together and
536
00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:55,880
viewed themselves genuinely matters
537
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,360
because it is the first part of
538
00:23:57,360 --> 00:23:58,640
understanding whether Manson and the
539
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,360
others were a hippie commune or a
540
00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:03,120
religious cult the Helter Skelter theory
541
00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:04,720
was dependent upon Manson being a
542
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,720
brainwashing cult leader but the people
543
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,760
who were part of the group denied that
544
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,240
Dynamic is there another explanation for
545
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,440
their heinous acts other than Manson
546
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,360
dictating that they murder on his behalf
547
00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:20,120
I never ordered nobody to do anything
548
00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:24,320
but what what they wanted to do do what
549
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,279
you want with you with me you're free
550
00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:29,520
like me I do what I want to
551
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,559
do you do what you want to
552
00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:36,600
do be careful with this phone call and
553
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,159
don't use it to cause any more
554
00:24:40,159 --> 00:24:42,360
persecution to my
555
00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:44,200
friends my
556
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,080
family peace I gotta go with my phone
557
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,559
time is
558
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,799
up the media has characterized the women
559
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:00,480
who participated in the murders as
560
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,080
middle class and virtuous they have been
561
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,520
described as Girl Scouts good students
562
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,360
or Sunday school teachers that man had
563
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:09,919
transformed into serial killers why
564
00:25:09,919 --> 00:25:11,640
would young women with good backgrounds
565
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,000
leave their homes to live with an
566
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,559
ex-convict who just wanted Sex and
567
00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:19,720
Death Leslie van hton was 19 when she
568
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,120
met Charles Manson The Following Summer
569
00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:24,000
she joined two others in the slaughter
570
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,360
of Leno and rosemary lanca the problem
571
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:29,120
people have is how can you go from a
572
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:31,799
homecoming queen to being a
573
00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:35,240
Manson follower her childhood was really
574
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,840
good until her parents got divorced back
575
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,200
then it was very different than it is
576
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,080
now it was a big social stigma she ended
577
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,679
up with the druggie kids and the less
578
00:25:44,679 --> 00:25:46,799
desirables and she started using drugs
579
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:49,200
at that
580
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,000
time she got pregnant um her mother
581
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,399
pretty much pressured into having an
582
00:25:54,399 --> 00:25:56,679
illegal abortion in the home and they
583
00:25:56,679 --> 00:25:58,880
buried the fetus in the backyard
584
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,320
and uh that's something she couldn't get
585
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,600
away from and then after that the drug
586
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,919
use escalated she was looking for
587
00:26:04,919 --> 00:26:07,640
spiritual leader and she had already
588
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,960
left home and went out on the road and
589
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,840
Bobby takes her to meet Charlie I think
590
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,000
it might have bothered him that she
591
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,200
would challenge him she and Pat were
592
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,960
really the only two that would Patricia
593
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,279
Ken Winkle named Katie was with Leslie
594
00:26:20,279 --> 00:26:22,039
van hton the night they killed the
595
00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:24,840
lancas Ken wikl also participated in the
596
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,440
Sharon Tate Murders At parole hearings
597
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,279
she's described that her sister was a
598
00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:31,240
drug addict who died from an overdose at
599
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,200
the age of 29 before her death she
600
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,520
introduced Patricia to drinking drugs
601
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,320
and alcohol when Ken Winkle met Manson
602
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,799
she was 19 she left home to live with
603
00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:44,559
her heroin addicted sister in Venice
604
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:46,720
California one of the most infamous
605
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,200
murderers was Susan Atkins who took the
606
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,679
nickname Sadie she brutally murdered
607
00:26:51,679 --> 00:26:53,799
Sharon Tate and used her blood to write
608
00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:56,880
pig on a door Susan Atkins had a
609
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,440
terrible childhood she was abandoned by
610
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,279
her parents she was molested when Susan
611
00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:05,399
Atkins was 15 her mother died from
612
00:27:05,399 --> 00:27:07,760
cancer sending her home life into a
613
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,320
spiral when Atkins met Charles Manson
614
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,120
she' already worked as a topple stancer
615
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:14,200
been arrested for car theft stolen
616
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,799
property and was a heavy drug user I
617
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:18,799
used to think that you came down off an
618
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:21,760
ass a trip after 12 hours and every time
619
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,360
you drop acid you get a little bit
620
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:28,600
further away from reality s is pretty uh
621
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,919
she me
622
00:27:30,919 --> 00:27:34,640
actually me is all there is there's
623
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,120
nobody but
624
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:40,240
you I took so much asset that I just was
625
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,039
what I would turn space and it took me
626
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:47,360
many years to what I term now reenter
627
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:49,679
and that was just through not having any
628
00:27:49,679 --> 00:27:51,640
asset and having to deal with reality
629
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,919
every
630
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,120
day if these women were not perfect
631
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,000
young women plucked from society and
632
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,399
corrupted solely by Charles Manson did
633
00:28:01,399 --> 00:28:03,559
he actually brainwash them or were they
634
00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:06,039
working alongside him in a common
635
00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:08,519
motive what was life like inside the
636
00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:10,440
so-called Manson family the year leading
637
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,799
up to the
638
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,760
murders when you ask Charles Manson
639
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,159
about life in the group before the
640
00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:25,240
murders he talked about sex everybody
641
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,279
walk around naked would all get together
642
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:30,360
and just have a big bang man I lived
643
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:32,960
with him for almost a month and he say
644
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,640
you know everybody has to make love it's
645
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,960
love you know he spread the love you
646
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,080
know yeah it was like sex on
647
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,200
demand when you're inside you have
648
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,440
nothing and all of a sudden he's
649
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,039
out he said it was a prisoners dream
650
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:49,320
come
651
00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:51,799
true another member of the group was
652
00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:53,799
Barbara hoit who like many of the others
653
00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:56,240
was 17 when she ran away from home after
654
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,640
an argument with her father I met
655
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,120
squeaky Sandy was
656
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,279
pregnant Sadie talked about the
657
00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:08,240
hypocrisies of life if Manson had found
658
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,519
the dream life of an ex-convict why
659
00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:12,399
would he indoctrinate them to murder
660
00:29:12,399 --> 00:29:14,840
people these murders did not happen
661
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,240
because there was going to be an
662
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,960
apocalyptic race war that's not why this
663
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,120
happened the victims weren't chosen at
664
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,120
random Brian Davis has spent more than a
665
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,880
decade speaking to anyone involved in
666
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,480
the events surrounding the murders on
667
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,440
his online radio show from his Viewpoint
668
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,000
the key to understanding what happened
669
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,760
is Charles Tex Watson because he was the
670
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,120
person that actually led the murder
671
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,480
parties on both nights and killed more
672
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:43,640
than anyone else J was perfect a soldier
673
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,039
a solder who in service his
674
00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:53,039
rightous real is no in between at trial
675
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:55,600
Vincent bugliosi said Manson had total
676
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,039
and complete domination over his family
677
00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:01,200
including the actual killer Tex Watson
678
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,000
how did Tex Watson come to be with
679
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,480
Manson and perhaps fall under his
680
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,320
control Brian Davis recounts that in
681
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,240
1967 Watson left Northern Texas to live
682
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,240
with a friend in Los Angeles finding a
683
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,200
part-time job at a Hollywood wig shop I
684
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,039
talked with the guy that worked with Tex
685
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:21,519
he said Tex was an All-American boy
686
00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:24,480
after about a year Tech started to hang
687
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,480
out at parties and smoke marijuana start
688
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,159
to experiment went with drugs and grew
689
00:30:29,159 --> 00:30:31,880
his hair out a little bit and at that
690
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,440
point he said Tech started to turn so
691
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,679
all this was going on leading up before
692
00:30:37,679 --> 00:30:39,120
Tex ever met
693
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,120
Charlie Tex Watson met Charles Manson
694
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,760
when he was invited to attend a
695
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,480
never-ending party that was being held
696
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,000
at a Pacific Palisades Mansion the house
697
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,480
was owned by the drummer of The Beach
698
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,799
Boys Dennis Wilson Charley crosses over
699
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:55,600
into that through the girls Pat and El
700
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,960
Joe Bailey were out hitchhiking and
701
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,039
Dennis Wilson picked him up the Beach
702
00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:03,159
Boys 15th studio album 2020 features a
703
00:31:03,159 --> 00:31:05,440
song co-written by Charles Manson called
704
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,279
never learn not to love during that time
705
00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:09,919
Manson befriended a record producer
706
00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:14,679
through Dennis Wilson named Terry meler
707
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,320
and he had known one of the Beach Boys
708
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,440
when he met Charles Manson Terry meler
709
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,880
lived on cello Drive in the same house
710
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,440
that was later rented to film director
711
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,799
Roman palansky and his movie star wife
712
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:44,679
Sharon
713
00:31:44,679 --> 00:31:47,360
Tate this is a direct connection between
714
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,399
Manson and the Tate
715
00:31:49,399 --> 00:31:51,919
murders prosecutors claim that Manson
716
00:31:51,919 --> 00:31:54,200
was an ambitious musician who aspired to
717
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,279
be like the Beatles And The Beach Boys
718
00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:58,440
so Dennis Wilson introduced to Terry
719
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,760
meler but meler rejected him when Manson
720
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,600
decided to begin a race war by killing
721
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,480
random white people he chose Terry
722
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,639
melcher's House according to the
723
00:32:07,639 --> 00:32:09,720
prosecution the residence was symbolic
724
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,559
to Charles Manson and particularly the
725
00:32:11,559 --> 00:32:14,360
establishment's rejection of him Phil
726
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,240
Kaufman worked in the music industry and
727
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,880
recorded Charles Manson shortly before
728
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,519
the murders took
729
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:22,120
place this is an audio recording from
730
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,639
1970 made as part of the
731
00:32:24,639 --> 00:32:26,840
investigation up to this point he had
732
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,360
recorded at very
733
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,000
Studios and being as transcent as he was
734
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,480
he never stayed around long enough in
735
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,760
order to consumate a record deal so
736
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,320
every time he recorded no one could ever
737
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,799
release his music because he had never
738
00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:41,320
signed any
739
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,279
contract CU she had a good thing going
740
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:45,240
for him you know money wasn't even
741
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:46,600
involved in anything you didn't have to
742
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,039
earn a living had girls coming out and
743
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:51,080
getting them food he was having sex he
744
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,600
you playing his music you know life was
745
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,880
good for him I could have been a rock
746
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,600
and roll star I could have been a movie
747
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,519
star that's a slow down I don't want a
748
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:02,320
job you know I'd rather have a
749
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,600
bite of wine on the beach and be free as
750
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,399
a dog looking for for a place to sleep
751
00:33:07,399 --> 00:33:09,919
under the bridge rather than go to work
752
00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:12,000
I was trying to get away from
753
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,440
civilization if Manson wasn't rejected
754
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,679
by the music industry and Mel's house
755
00:33:16,679 --> 00:33:18,440
didn't represent the establishment to
756
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,720
him then what was the real reason for
757
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,720
Tex Watson taking three women over to
758
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,519
Terry Mel's house and killing five
759
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:26,799
people we put this question to Charles
760
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:28,799
Manson directly
761
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:31,480
pix wasn't wrong understand what I'm
762
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,039
saying pix had to do what he had to
763
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:38,720
do and he said that he didn't say I
764
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,320
going to do a damn
765
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,600
thing they say the girl said
766
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,200
it the girl didn't say it she said
767
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,559
Charlie told me go do what takes here
768
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:57,440
you know why the dis attorney put the
769
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,840
race SW on me you have 30 seconds
770
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,559
remaining you got the whole damn
771
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:05,430
planet against
772
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:10,240
me Charles Manson's answers are not
773
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:12,200
always straightforward but the missing
774
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,159
Factor may be the song Charles Manson
775
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:17,200
contributed to the Beach
776
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,760
Boys Charlie was told that he would be
777
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,399
compensated for the use of the song and
778
00:34:30,399 --> 00:34:32,720
the amount that he was told was $5,000
779
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:34,040
now he didn't care so much about the
780
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,679
money if you're in prison and you owe
781
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,440
somebody and you give your word and you
782
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,359
don't keep your word then uh you know
783
00:34:40,359 --> 00:34:42,800
that's a justification for you know for
784
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,679
being killed so he sent text to kill
785
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:49,040
Terry not a house full of five people
786
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,879
see that's what's so critical here he
787
00:34:50,879 --> 00:34:55,000
wasn't picking a houseful of innocent
788
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,040
people he was taking fa notion and the
789
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,480
people that were there were the ones
790
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,920
that took the blood of what T Watson BL
791
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,050
that
792
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,079
night Charles Manson seeking retaliation
793
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:10,359
on Terry mure for breaking his word
794
00:35:10,359 --> 00:35:12,040
contradicts the motive laid out by the
795
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,400
prosecution because it changes Manson's
796
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,240
intent from starting a race war to
797
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:19,160
Vengeance according to the Helter
798
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,320
Skelter Theory Charles Manson planned to
799
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,400
inspire race War by killing affluent
800
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,880
whites so he sent his followers to Terry
801
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,920
melcher's house during the war Manson
802
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,359
would hide with his followers in a
803
00:35:30,359 --> 00:35:33,079
secret cave located in Death Valley
804
00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:35,359
afterwards they would emerge and Manson
805
00:35:35,359 --> 00:35:37,720
would lead the Victorious black Army
806
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:40,760
when members joined the family he was
807
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,320
telling him how Adolf Hitler was his
808
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,720
hero for what Hitler did to Jews in
809
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:48,440
World War II he was a follower of
810
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,640
nii um and you know just sick
811
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,280
stuff some have proposed that the
812
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,079
prosecution made up the Helter Skelter
813
00:35:57,079 --> 00:35:59,319
Theory in order to more easily convict
814
00:35:59,319 --> 00:36:00,480
Charles Manson through a
815
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,640
sensationalistic conspiracy
816
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,000
narrative another theory exists which
817
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,839
some believe can explain the murders
818
00:36:06,839 --> 00:36:09,400
without the race war motive I'm not
819
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,800
supporting Charlie Manson at all I'm
820
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,079
supporting more of the truth if the
821
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:15,920
prosecution did construct the Helter
822
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,119
Skelter theory is convicting a man like
823
00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:20,720
Charles Manson so essential that any
824
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:23,359
means of achieving it is acceptable it's
825
00:36:23,359 --> 00:36:27,079
not about proving Charlie innocent even
826
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:29,160
if it's Charlie Manson the law has to
827
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:34,240
work for everybody this thing is so
828
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:37,839
bad I don't know what you
829
00:36:37,839 --> 00:36:41,480
can accept
830
00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:45,920
it get out of my
831
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,680
house another theory proposes that the
832
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,680
murders were the culmination of events
833
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,119
centered around Charles Manson Charles
834
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:55,079
Manson had been released from prison and
835
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:57,839
had formed a commune of Lost Souls for
836
00:36:57,839 --> 00:36:59,640
several months before the murders the
837
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,599
group had moved to a Farmstead built as
838
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:03,319
a backdrop for western movies and
839
00:37:03,319 --> 00:37:06,319
television shows called spawn Ranch I
840
00:37:06,319 --> 00:37:08,839
never realized it but the reason the
841
00:37:08,839 --> 00:37:11,280
ranch was so cool was that nobody ever
842
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,480
lied to each other man we all got along
843
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,599
with each other man everybody was
844
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:18,960
straight up you know there was no
845
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,319
we had a pretty nice little
846
00:37:21,319 --> 00:37:23,960
group of people
847
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,040
there when I went to the ranch
848
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,520
I felt uh it was just
849
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,960
a most mellow place I'd ever been there
850
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,920
was no Ambitions it's a lot different
851
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,880
than what the media might
852
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,000
portray the ranch was owned by an
853
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,920
80-year-old blind man named George spawn
854
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,480
who lived in the main house which was
855
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,160
located there the ranch burned down in
856
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,800
1971 but at the time extended along the
857
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,200
Santa Susanna pass isolated by the hills
858
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,440
overlooking the San Fernando Valley
859
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,160
Charlie told squeaky to you
860
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,760
know take care of George so that they
861
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,680
could stay at the ranch and she did she
862
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,720
didn't like having sex with other men
863
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:12,000
and that's why she got into that for
864
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,440
Charlie she took care of George and that
865
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,560
became her thing she wanted to only have
866
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,240
sex with Charlie and so uh she put
867
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:21,920
herself in that position where she
868
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,599
didn't have to have sex with anybody but
869
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:26,839
Charlie she was a caretaker she loved
870
00:38:26,839 --> 00:38:28,000
him
871
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,560
I think he wanted George to will the
872
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,960
ranch to
873
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,119
squeaky records reflect that while
874
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:37,319
living at spawn Ranch Tex Watson was
875
00:38:37,319 --> 00:38:39,599
arrested on a drug charge in April of
876
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:43,040
1969 3 months before the murders it was
877
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,160
business for Tex you know he partook and
878
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,880
he sold that's how he made a lot of his
879
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,240
money you go back before the murders Tex
880
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:52,200
has got the history for dealing drugs
881
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,800
and making drug deals and you know
882
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,960
that's what Tex
883
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,800
does don't in this
884
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,440
France anything other than that you do
885
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:02,960
anything you want
886
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,079
here still Hur
887
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:09,440
nobody this is the connections this is
888
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,560
where it all connects Tex Watson had a
889
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,920
dope dealer Tex Watson describes a dope
890
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,520
dealer in his book as a mafia connected
891
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,040
guy who owned a vending machine company
892
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,839
that he used as a front for his dope
893
00:39:24,839 --> 00:39:27,560
business episodes like that happened
894
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,960
every day in the drug
895
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,240
World on July 1st Tex Watson spoke with
896
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,040
his vending machine Dope Dealer who was
897
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,720
looking to sell 25 kilos of marijuana
898
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:39,079
for
899
00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:41,280
$2,500 Watson didn't have that kind of
900
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,839
money so he called his girlfriend in the
901
00:39:42,839 --> 00:39:45,079
city she introduced him to another drug
902
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:47,040
dealer named Bernard Crowe who was
903
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,560
thought to be associated with the Black
904
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,079
Panthers it was then that Watson came up
905
00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:56,000
with a scam he would buy 25 kilos from
906
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,119
his dealer then sell 22 kilos to Crow at
907
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:01,400
a markup for
908
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,640
$2,750 that way Watson could buy the
909
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,359
drugs from the dealer and deliver what
910
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:07,520
he promised to Bernard Crow all the
911
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,040
while keeping the difference in money
912
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,480
and drugs for himself and his
913
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,680
girlfriend to make that work neither of
914
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,920
the drug dealers could meet so Tex
915
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,000
Watson planned to have Bernard Crow pay
916
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,839
up
917
00:40:20,839 --> 00:40:24,640
front say if you do all the Talking you
918
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,560
got to be all the right
919
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,560
everything up when the time came
920
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,359
Crow wouldn't hand over his money to a
921
00:40:34,359 --> 00:40:36,720
hippie he didn't know so he kept text
922
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:38,880
Watson's girlfriend as collateral while
923
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,760
Watson went to pick up the drugs when
924
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,160
this complication arose Watson burned
925
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,280
them both he just promised to deal some
926
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,160
drugs for him and took the money and
927
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,680
around what happened was text me to deal
928
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,520
with him evidently and then
929
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,319
bumed out on the deal we didn't get
930
00:40:55,319 --> 00:40:56,680
anything out of it it had nothing to do
931
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,160
with us it was all about Tex trust
932
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,400
me after that an enraged Bernard Crow
933
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,520
set out to find the man he knew as
934
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,520
Charlie Watson when crow called the
935
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,440
ranch and asked for Charlie meaning
936
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,359
Charles Watson TJ got Charlie Manson on
937
00:41:11,359 --> 00:41:14,040
the phone because he knew Watson is text
938
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,480
I want my money and when Crow said I
939
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,599
want my money and I'm coming up to the
940
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:19,640
ranch to burn the place down and rape
941
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,400
all the girls there Charlie said no
942
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,599
you're not I'll come down and talk to
943
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:25,079
you about it the deal drugs you got to
944
00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:28,000
be real that's underworld underworld
945
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,640
means anybody can take that away from
946
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:30,960
you and there's nothing the law is going
947
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,400
to do about it before the cops catch
948
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,880
drug dealers drug dealers catch drug
949
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,359
dealers he was worried about us getting
950
00:41:39,359 --> 00:41:41,960
killed we had babies there and all kinds
951
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,720
of stuff and all these like young people
952
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:47,640
okay and they they were trying to kill
953
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,319
us and that's why Charlie went
954
00:41:50,319 --> 00:41:53,200
Bernard to stop him before he killed
955
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,200
somebody
956
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:00,359
Bernard Crow had Tex Watson's girlfriend
957
00:42:00,359 --> 00:42:01,160
tied
958
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,280
up and I guess words were exchanged and
959
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,119
Charlie pulled out the gun and shot him
960
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:11,560
yeah yeah I shot
961
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,920
the she said that Bernard was gonna kill
962
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,520
her so we went down to help
963
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,720
her and ended up shooting him to help
964
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:25,040
her Berard Crow didn't give him a chance
965
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,680
he had to shoot him or he was going to
966
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,359
get shot and Bernard cro just said you
967
00:42:28,359 --> 00:42:31,559
better shoot me now right here do it you
968
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:34,319
know and so I shot
969
00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:37,920
him Bernard Crow survived this shooting
970
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,960
although his Manson often detailed He
971
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,160
was unaware of this differ the underw
972
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,839
and being righteous with the underworld
973
00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:50,280
in other words you don't get caught off
974
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:55,940
Bay so you get tagged out to simple game
975
00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:59,319
he saw all the people that he was with
976
00:42:59,319 --> 00:43:01,640
his just children they were weak they
977
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:02,960
wouldn't they wouldn't know how to hold
978
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,319
their mud and rather than try to
979
00:43:05,319 --> 00:43:07,760
convince them that they should he just
980
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,640
manipulated them to try to make them so
981
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,280
complicit and violent crimes that they
982
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,260
would not snitch
983
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,640
on in the alternative Theory Charles
984
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,440
Manson shooting Bernard Crow left him
985
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,480
with two problems first he had to be
986
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,280
sure no one in the commune would talk to
987
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,640
the police so he planned to encourage
988
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,319
them to commit violent crimes for the
989
00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:33,559
group just like he had done Manson's
990
00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:35,240
second problem was that he believed the
991
00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:37,280
Black Panthers would retaliate for the
992
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,160
shooting something he told the members
993
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,319
of the group he was very worried about
994
00:43:41,319 --> 00:43:43,480
the Black Panthers attacking the
995
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,559
ranch I heard Charlie was recruiting the
996
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:50,160
straight satans to be guards to protect
997
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,880
the commune and himself from the Black
998
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,400
Panthers Manson enlisted a motorcycle
999
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,599
club called the straight satans
1000
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:00,000
in this audio recording from the LAPD
1001
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,880
former straight Satan's president Al
1002
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,280
Springer described their Arrangement
1003
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,480
Char wait a minute he says uh maybe I
1004
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:07,640
can give you a better thing than you got
1005
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,720
already I said what's that he says move
1006
00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:10,839
up here you can have all the girls you
1007
00:44:10,839 --> 00:44:14,240
want all the girls he says they're all
1008
00:44:14,319 --> 00:44:16,920
yours 3 days after the Bernard Crow
1009
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,319
Shooting Linda caban arrived at spawn
1010
00:44:19,319 --> 00:44:21,800
Ranch for the first time she was a nice
1011
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,599
girl who was looking for I don't know if
1012
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:27,119
she was looking for Jesus she was just
1013
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:28,960
looking for life and looking for what
1014
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,960
was real and what
1015
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,720
wasn't you don't find too many
1016
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:38,880
women stand up any kind of fight Lind
1017
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,480
cian's account of this time is critical
1018
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,200
because she is one of the four directly
1019
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,079
involved with the Sharon tape murders
1020
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:46,559
and only spent a month with Charles
1021
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:49,400
Manson and the group when she was later
1022
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,280
arrested she gave her first account of
1023
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,280
what happened to her lawyer Gary
1024
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,160
fleschman I heard her version of it the
1025
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,559
first night they brought brought her
1026
00:44:57,559 --> 00:45:00,319
back none of it made any sense that
1027
00:45:00,319 --> 00:45:03,000
that's the problem it was nonsensical
1028
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,000
and that's where Vince came up with a
1029
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,280
Helter Skelter Theory but I never heard
1030
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,160
that theory During the period I was
1031
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,280
representing her she didn't know
1032
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:14,440
anything about
1033
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,280
her days after the Bernard Crow Shooting
1034
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,359
Bobby bosay committed the first murder
1035
00:45:20,359 --> 00:45:22,640
the prosecution said that Manson needed
1036
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,760
money but the specifics of this motive
1037
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,960
were never fully explained only
1038
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,960
generally tied to Manson's preparation
1039
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:33,079
for a race war Manson wanted money he
1040
00:45:33,079 --> 00:45:34,720
wanted money because he was preparing
1041
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:37,680
for the the revolution the prosecution
1042
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,240
contended that Manson sent Bobby BOS and
1043
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:43,040
two women Mary Bruner and Susan Atkins
1044
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,480
to the home of an acquaintance named
1045
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,240
Gary Hinman their orders were supposedly
1046
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:49,040
to retrieve money from Henman and kill
1047
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,599
him if he refused it's all
1048
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:55,200
crap you have to look at you just have
1049
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,720
to look at it
1050
00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:00,040
nobody sent me over to to recruit G to
1051
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,400
the family he was as much a part of the
1052
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,319
so-called family as I was and he wasn't
1053
00:46:04,319 --> 00:46:07,079
a part of the family Bobby BOS contends
1054
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:08,839
that in the aftermath of the Bernard
1055
00:46:08,839 --> 00:46:10,760
Crow Shooting Manson's arrangement with
1056
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,319
the biker gang meant that they were
1057
00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:15,400
constant Presence at the ranch two weeks
1058
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,599
before the Sharon tape murders bosay
1059
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:19,160
said the straight satans were looking
1060
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,319
for drugs so he offered to sell the
1061
00:46:21,319 --> 00:46:23,160
mcllin that he could get from his former
1062
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,319
roommate Gary Hinman bosle maintains
1063
00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:27,839
that the straight satans demanded their
1064
00:46:27,839 --> 00:46:29,800
money back the next day claiming the
1065
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,160
drugs were
1066
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,280
bad I don't really believe you know I
1067
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,680
think they were tried to get the drugs
1068
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,599
for free and they were playing for a
1069
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:40,760
second it wasn't any you know bad drugs
1070
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:45,880
or anything like that person was strong
1071
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,760
individual yeah he was in trouble with
1072
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,640
motorcycle and we would dealing and
1073
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:59,000
underworld man that's what motorcycle
1074
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,280
gangs
1075
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:05,119
do you know know the strongest
1076
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:08,319
survive there is a property
1077
00:47:08,319 --> 00:47:11,040
report of Gary Henman and in that
1078
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,480
property report they list a homemade
1079
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,800
scales with a white powder they didn't
1080
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,440
test it for masculine so we don't know
1081
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,400
if it was or not to me that's evidence
1082
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,359
with the straight Satan's threat looming
1083
00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:27,200
Bobby bosay claims he went to Gary
1084
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,720
hinman's house to retrieve the money
1085
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:30,559
from the drug deal and return it to the
1086
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:33,000
biker gang I went there for one thing
1087
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,200
and that was to collect the money
1088
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,760
because they asked to come along Mary
1089
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,520
you know had a relationship with with
1090
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,760
jary and I don't know why Susan Atkins
1091
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,760
has to come along now I didn't see any
1092
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,520
problem going there I fig it was going
1093
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,200
to be no problem get get the money back
1094
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,200
and you know and come back and give it
1095
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,920
to him and going to be done as recalled
1096
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,359
by Bobby bosay when Gary Henman refused
1097
00:47:55,359 --> 00:47:57,359
to return the money the confront ation
1098
00:47:57,359 --> 00:47:59,680
escalated along with Mary Bruner and
1099
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,920
Susan Atkins bosay stayed at the house
1100
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,960
for 2 days thinking he could reason with
1101
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,800
himman to give up the money they
1102
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,280
wrestled over a gun which went off but
1103
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,520
no one was hit during the confrontation
1104
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,880
someone called The Ranch to ask for help
1105
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,720
Bobby bosay gained the upper hand and
1106
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:17,480
made Hinman sign over his cars we had
1107
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,280
these two old old recks and they were I
1108
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,319
figured between the two of them they
1109
00:48:22,319 --> 00:48:25,160
were worth maybe a grand you know the
1110
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,760
grand that they were saying I owed the
1111
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,240
with the pink slips in hand they
1112
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:31,119
prepared to leave but before they could
1113
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:33,359
get out the door Manson unexpectedly
1114
00:48:33,359 --> 00:48:35,520
rushed in with a sword and cut hman
1115
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,839
across the face Charlie clashed his face
1116
00:48:37,839 --> 00:48:39,720
and left me with the problem I didn't I
1117
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:41,839
know how to get out of it you know I
1118
00:48:41,839 --> 00:48:43,880
didn't know how to get away without
1119
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,119
getting
1120
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:49,920
arrested must I killed
1121
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:56,920
him after Gary hinman's death someone
1122
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,160
wrote on the walls in henman's
1123
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,640
blood to be honest with you I don't
1124
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,280
remember a lot that happened immediately
1125
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,559
after I having killed Gary that really
1126
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:10,359
devastated me my memories of what
1127
00:49:10,359 --> 00:49:12,040
happened afterwards had never been
1128
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:13,359
really
1129
00:49:13,359 --> 00:49:16,200
clear a black panther paw print was
1130
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,400
drawn on the wall along with the words
1131
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,559
political piggy it was in everyone's
1132
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:23,599
mind everyone believed that Charlie had
1133
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:25,200
killed a black panther according to what
1134
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,359
he had told everyone there was an intent
1135
00:49:28,359 --> 00:49:30,799
to try to throw the investigators off
1136
00:49:30,799 --> 00:49:33,079
the trail from this perspective Gary
1137
00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:35,079
henman's murder was directly related to
1138
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:37,160
the Bernard Crow Shooting they staged
1139
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,799
the crime scene to frame the Black
1140
00:49:38,799 --> 00:49:41,280
Panthers because they feared retaliation
1141
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,240
at the same time Manson's intent to make
1142
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:45,359
others complicit had been unexpectedly
1143
00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:47,160
furthered preventing them from informing
1144
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,440
the police about what Manson had done
1145
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,319
according to police records on Wednesday
1146
00:49:51,319 --> 00:49:53,480
August 6th 2 days before the Sharon tape
1147
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,760
murders Bobby bosay was arrested in one
1148
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,119
of Gary hinman's cars I was in San Diego
1149
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:00,280
when that
1150
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,319
happened I heard he got arrested for
1151
00:50:03,319 --> 00:50:05,440
murder and I thought that the police
1152
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,720
just made it
1153
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:09,559
up I didn't believe it I think it's
1154
00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:11,359
important to look at the timing of this
1155
00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:13,119
you're looking at these murders that
1156
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:15,400
happened on SEO Drive in Waverly are are
1157
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,799
like two days later I think it's very
1158
00:50:17,799 --> 00:50:19,799
important that they happened then rather
1159
00:50:19,799 --> 00:50:22,760
than a month later or two weeks earlier
1160
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,880
so that indicates that they were a
1161
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,440
reaction to Bobby's arrest and the idea
1162
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,599
of getting him out of prison by
1163
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:31,960
committing copycat murders in the
1164
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,160
alternate Theory two days after Bobby
1165
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,119
bosay was arrested the group planned to
1166
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:37,960
commit an additional murder which turned
1167
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,559
out to be Sharon Tate and those who were
1168
00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:42,440
at her home on August 8th after this
1169
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:43,960
murder they planed to Stage the crime
1170
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,720
scene to make it seem like Gary hinman's
1171
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:48,319
killer was still on the loose they
1172
00:50:48,319 --> 00:50:50,480
reasoned this would compel police to let
1173
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,760
Bobby bosay go Charles Manson admitted
1174
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,319
this was their thinking he was in he was
1175
00:50:57,319 --> 00:51:01,040
in LA County Jail when see we were all
1176
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,359
in the
1177
00:51:03,359 --> 00:51:07,000
Brotherhood we were all in one
1178
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,280
family and we were helping the
1179
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,359
brother happened to be both
1180
00:51:14,359 --> 00:51:17,559
of he told other people he was trying to
1181
00:51:17,559 --> 00:51:20,920
send a message to me into the jail so
1182
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,280
that I wouldn't snitch on him to make
1183
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,559
make the police think they the wrong
1184
00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:28,280
person according to Bobby bosay this is
1185
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,280
not the entire picture but reaffirms
1186
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,359
Manson's deeper motive committing a
1187
00:51:32,359 --> 00:51:34,559
copycat murder at cello drive to free
1188
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:36,799
bosle would make others complicit and
1189
00:51:36,799 --> 00:51:38,440
prevent them from talking to the police
1190
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,640
about the Bernard Crow murder depending
1191
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,960
on the orientation of whoever he was
1192
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,680
talking to he would say things that
1193
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,880
would support some sort of agenda that
1194
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,720
he had Manson's agenda comes full circle
1195
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:54,520
when you consider that he still harbored
1196
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,839
a grudge against Terry milcher for the s
1197
00:51:56,839 --> 00:51:59,680
Manson had contributed to the Beach Boys
1198
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,319
which is why according to the alternate
1199
00:52:01,319 --> 00:52:03,760
theory on August 8th
1200
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,200
1969 2 days after Bobby Bay's arrest
1201
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,079
four members of the commute ventured out
1202
00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:11,300
to the mure
1203
00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:19,400
house I remember Charlie and tex talking
1204
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,680
off in a corner and it was like there
1205
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,040
was black around them Sadie called from
1206
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:26,720
a field phone and asked me for three
1207
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:29,599
sets of dark clothes and Charlie asked
1208
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:31,359
what was I doing
1209
00:52:31,359 --> 00:52:35,640
there and I told him and he told me they
1210
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,200
already left there were people at the
1211
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,680
ranch who owed Charlie favors and he
1212
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,040
said you owe me I'm collecting do
1213
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,680
something to get Bobby out of jail I
1214
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,440
don't care what you do but do it I gave
1215
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,160
my life for what I thought was a brother
1216
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,079
every time I do that man I always end up
1217
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:55,839
on the short end of everything because
1218
00:52:55,839 --> 00:52:57,280
I'm I'm
1219
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,240
stupid I I can't do school book stuff
1220
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:03,559
I'm a stupid hillbilly is what all about
1221
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:06,160
to I know he told Tex Watson you either
1222
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:07,960
take care of the problem or get on the
1223
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,440
road I
1224
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,559
told
1225
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:15,200
away you know Tex Watson could have just
1226
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,440
left the ranch and there wouldn't have
1227
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:21,400
been any T La Bianca murders T is say
1228
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,920
that I told him to tell him
1229
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,400
anything he didn't tell nobody to do
1230
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,319
nothing he don't tell you to do anything
1231
00:53:30,319 --> 00:53:33,520
today he can convince you that that's
1232
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,880
your idea because usually it is your
1233
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,960
idea you can do what you want to do when
1234
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,400
you make up your mind and you decide
1235
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,040
that that's what you're going to
1236
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,680
do what they didn't volunteer to do was
1237
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,319
to be part of something that they didn't
1238
00:53:53,319 --> 00:53:55,680
understand which was his need to protect
1239
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,240
himself
1240
00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:59,839
he manipulated
1241
00:53:59,839 --> 00:54:03,079
them I remember when we first went
1242
00:54:03,079 --> 00:54:05,400
in one of the people said who are you
1243
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:06,960
and text said I'm the devil and I'm here
1244
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,799
to do the devil's
1245
00:54:11,319 --> 00:54:15,440
business what I saw happening in text it
1246
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:20,640
was just like seeing somebody go crazy
1247
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:32,359
I thinkig Charles Manson's mind was in
1248
00:54:32,359 --> 00:54:34,760
control of Texas mind that
1249
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,559
night Charlie's human too you know and
1250
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:42,880
his mental uh powers are just as limited
1251
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,920
maybe not as limited as other humans
1252
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,680
but there was an evil force in control
1253
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,910
of Tex that night
1254
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,760
they had died so
1255
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,920
horribly I don't know people really
1256
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,359
think about
1257
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:10,599
how you know just how much they suffered
1258
00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:12,799
I mean I I I think about Sher and Tate
1259
00:55:12,799 --> 00:55:14,960
and I think she must have been insane
1260
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,920
with fear by the time they got to
1261
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,039
her what does it take to have somebody
1262
00:55:23,039 --> 00:55:26,440
tell you to go and kill people for what
1263
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,520
reason I couldn't could I couldn't
1264
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,720
conceive what what allowed them to be
1265
00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:34,000
influenced to go down and they didn't
1266
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,559
kill people they they they would
1267
00:55:35,559 --> 00:55:37,480
butchered people and these are the
1268
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,720
people that i' you know been sleeping
1269
00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:42,359
with when Susan Atkins used Sharon
1270
00:55:42,359 --> 00:55:44,480
Tate's blood to right on the wall it
1271
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,079
appears to call back to the previous
1272
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:48,839
murder though the police never made this
1273
00:55:48,839 --> 00:55:51,000
connection Sheriff's homicide was
1274
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,920
handling the Henman murders and two of
1275
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,119
the homicide investigators went to the
1276
00:55:57,119 --> 00:56:00,799
Tate investigators and said look we have
1277
00:56:00,799 --> 00:56:03,520
this murder of Gary Hinman and there's
1278
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,680
writing in Blood on the wall and
1279
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,359
hinman's blood so they said we think
1280
00:56:08,359 --> 00:56:10,720
these are connected the LAPD
1281
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:13,960
investigators sent them away said no
1282
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,440
they're not connected the prosecution
1283
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:17,880
maintained that the events of that
1284
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,799
summer were not connected and that
1285
00:56:19,799 --> 00:56:21,839
everything made sense through accepting
1286
00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:24,039
that Charles Manson led a religious cult
1287
00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:25,599
that was trying to start a race war
1288
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:28,240
called health Skelter inspired by The
1289
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:30,280
Beatles if they're trying to find black
1290
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:31,760
people why aren't they wri and kill
1291
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,960
white people or like something very
1292
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,039
obvious
1293
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:38,440
uh probably because they didn't think of
1294
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,559
it that of course you know people would
1295
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:42,520
connect blacks because of the Beatles
1296
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,400
White albums some black would figure it
1297
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,319
out and tell somebody oh well the
1298
00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:50,119
Beatles this
1299
00:56:50,119 --> 00:56:53,039
is part of the murders and seems like a
1300
00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:56,839
lot of dots to connect
1301
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,599
if members of the group killed Sharon
1302
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:07,680
Tate and others as a copycat murder in
1303
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,119
order to free Bobby bosay then why did
1304
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:12,440
they commit more murders the next
1305
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,760
night the second night at the L Biancas
1306
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,160
was to cover up the way he had done the
1307
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,039
first night which was kill a house full
1308
00:57:20,039 --> 00:57:21,760
of people because he didn't anticipate
1309
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,839
that he didn't realize it was going to
1310
00:57:23,839 --> 00:57:28,200
be this big thing that unfolded up there
1311
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,760
at the house of cell he didn't know that
1312
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,079
Terry moner had ran the place out and so
1313
00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:35,520
it basically turned into a
1314
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,559
fiasco it was the weekend so he's going
1315
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:41,000
out the next night because he's got to
1316
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,599
cover up those tapate murders because
1317
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:44,880
that's going to be that's going to get
1318
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,280
out and that's going to be nasty who did
1319
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:48,559
kill those
1320
00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:51,359
people the people told you they killed
1321
00:57:51,359 --> 00:57:56,520
him they said yeah I K him on the second
1322
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,520
night another member of the group became
1323
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,960
complicit 19-year-old Leslie van hton
1324
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,559
Tex was Leslie's
1325
00:58:03,559 --> 00:58:07,039
boyfriend okay at the time when Pat is
1326
00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:10,200
explaining what happened to Leslie as I
1327
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:11,680
understand it Pat was shaken by what
1328
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,799
she'd done but Leslie felt that she had
1329
00:58:13,799 --> 00:58:15,440
to prove herself now we're going to go
1330
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,280
out again and you know this has to be
1331
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,079
done she must have known that we're
1332
00:58:19,079 --> 00:58:22,000
doing again the line doing it for Bobby
1333
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,200
the group drove to Los vas and parked on
1334
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:25,880
the north side of an intersection on
1335
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,760
where wly drive inside the home to the
1336
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,799
West Was an affluent couple who owned a
1337
00:58:30,799 --> 00:58:33,039
chain of grocery stores named loo and
1338
00:58:33,039 --> 00:58:36,039
rosemary Lanka it was a place that they
1339
00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:37,799
knew they' been to Harold's house which
1340
00:58:37,799 --> 00:58:39,039
is right next
1341
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:41,799
door this audio recording from the LA
1342
00:58:41,799 --> 00:58:43,640
district attorney shows that the house
1343
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:45,680
next door to the L Bianca residence was
1344
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,640
once occupied by a man named Harold true
1345
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,839
who knew Manson and the girls they
1346
00:58:50,839 --> 00:58:52,559
called and asked if they could spend the
1347
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:55,720
night in their house and we let them
1348
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,559
stay night and so w yeah it was a big
1349
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:01,240
house a lot of people now how did he get
1350
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:05,960
you have your phone number to call
1351
00:59:07,359 --> 00:59:10,400
uh well I guess maybe I gave him a
1352
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,760
map when I skipped the country Harold
1353
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,799
true gave me his passport and then when
1354
00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:19,640
I got out and I went to see Charlie I
1355
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,559
took Harold along and Harold was a big
1356
00:59:21,559 --> 00:59:23,599
old lumpy guy and you know he thought he
1357
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:26,280
might get laid they were camping out and
1358
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,079
with the bus there and living in Herold
1359
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:30,960
tr's place and the neighbors called the
1360
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,920
cops they had to leave there because the
1361
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,079
neighbors called the cops and the
1362
00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:36,400
neighbors were the
1363
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,920
Lanas Charlie picked people that he had
1364
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,720
grudges against he didn't just pick
1365
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,440
people at random this adds to the
1366
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,440
alternate theory that the second night
1367
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,760
Manson continued manipulating the others
1368
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,760
but not because he would rule the world
1369
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,440
after a race war instead it was a series
1370
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,119
of interconnected events it began with
1371
00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:57,039
the Bernard Crow shooting which led to
1372
00:59:57,039 --> 00:59:59,520
the Gary Hinman murder and Bobby Bose's
1373
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,640
arrest which culminated in the Sharon
1374
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,920
Tate and Lanka murders making a
1375
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:05,680
significant amount of the commune
1376
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,760
complicit in satisfying Manson's
1377
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,960
outstanding
1378
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,400
grudges there is one additional piece
1379
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,520
that appears to support this Theory
1380
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,280
according to Tex Watson's account
1381
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:17,640
summarized from numerous public
1382
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,039
statements he and Charles Manson went up
1383
01:00:20,039 --> 01:00:22,000
to the house and got in through the back
1384
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,280
door Manson woke up loo Lanka tied him
1385
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,119
up ret GED Rosemary law Bianca tied her
1386
01:00:28,119 --> 01:00:31,000
up threatened them and robed them Manson
1387
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,960
has always disputed Tex Watson's version
1388
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:34,119
of these
1389
01:00:34,119 --> 01:00:37,960
events what does he tell you about me
1390
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:39,760
everything that's going to help him
1391
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:45,000
right you are for you I am for me I'm
1392
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:45,839
for
1393
01:00:45,839 --> 01:00:48,440
Charlie I didn't kill
1394
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,079
nobody it is Undisputed that Manson
1395
01:00:51,079 --> 01:00:53,240
drove to the Lanka house and that he
1396
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,119
went into the house for some period of
1397
01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:57,960
time according to transcripts at trial
1398
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,079
Lind caban is asked question how long
1399
01:01:01,079 --> 01:01:02,880
after he left the car did he return to
1400
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,240
the car answer I remember we all lit up
1401
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,680
cigarettes and we smoked about 3/4 of a
1402
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,559
Paul Mouse cigarette however long that
1403
01:01:11,559 --> 01:01:14,559
takes what did Charles Manson do once he
1404
01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:16,520
left the
1405
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,359
car if you're looking at a 3/4 of a
1406
01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:21,760
cigarette or whatever is 5 minutes when
1407
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,280
you look at what text says there's just
1408
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,880
not enough time
1409
01:01:29,039 --> 01:01:31,200
Manson and tex swansson went up to the
1410
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,319
house after a few minutes Manson
1411
01:01:33,319 --> 01:01:34,880
returned at which point Patricia
1412
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,079
cranwinkle and Leslie van hton went into
1413
01:01:37,079 --> 01:01:39,200
the house and Manson left with the
1414
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,559
others those in the car claimed that
1415
01:01:41,559 --> 01:01:43,640
while in the house Manson had retrieved
1416
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,400
Rosemary Lanka's wallet which police
1417
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,160
later found 20 mi away in a gas station
1418
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,319
bathroom located in
1419
01:01:52,319 --> 01:01:54,799
Silmar according to the prosecution
1420
01:01:54,799 --> 01:01:56,760
Manson conspired to plant the wallet in
1421
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,039
a black neighborhood reasoning a black
1422
01:01:59,039 --> 01:02:00,880
person would use the credit cards be
1423
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,559
connected to the murder and that would
1424
01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:05,400
somehow add to the race war but this
1425
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,359
motive is contradicted by the evidence
1426
01:02:08,359 --> 01:02:10,680
Census Data retrieved from the 1970s
1427
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,079
shows that Silmar was not a black
1428
01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:15,240
neighborhood
1429
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,640
obviously he got screwed
1430
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,039
up the wallet got planted in the in the
1431
01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:25,880
wrong City I mean there's no point in
1432
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,920
planning in in a a white area and having
1433
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,599
a white person use the uh the credit
1434
01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:32,359
cards that defeats the whole purpose of
1435
01:02:32,359 --> 01:02:35,760
blaming the murders on uh on the blacks
1436
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,760
if framing black people wasn't Manson's
1437
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,680
goal then what was he trying to achieve
1438
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,079
at the L Bianca house and what was the
1439
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:44,160
reason for taking Rosemary Lanka's
1440
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,359
wallet Tex Watson says in his book when
1441
01:02:46,359 --> 01:02:50,000
they got in there Mr Lanka says hey what
1442
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,599
do youall want youall want money I can
1443
01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:53,920
get you money let's say Charlie did
1444
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,079
accept the the money offer my theory is
1445
01:02:57,079 --> 01:02:58,640
Charlie got the money and left that's
1446
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,920
why he
1447
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,279
left no one disputes that at this point
1448
01:03:04,279 --> 01:03:07,000
Manson left and tex Watson Patricia
1449
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,200
cranwinkle and Leslie van hton stayed at
1450
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,660
the house and murdered the
1451
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,720
Lanas with Leno Lanka there was a
1452
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,839
carving Fork protruding out of his
1453
01:03:19,839 --> 01:03:23,079
abdomen and kren wle had written on his
1454
01:03:23,079 --> 01:03:25,880
abdomen w
1455
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,680
and they found a knife with the handle
1456
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,720
sticking out of one end the blade
1457
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,720
traversing his neck severing a crowded
1458
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,079
artery and part of the blade sticking
1459
01:03:35,079 --> 01:03:38,520
out uh of the other
1460
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,359
side during the Lanka murders all agree
1461
01:03:43,359 --> 01:03:45,079
that Charles Manson took the rest of the
1462
01:03:45,079 --> 01:03:48,200
group to Venice the prosecution insisted
1463
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,160
that Manson went to Venice to get his
1464
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,440
followers to commit another murder once
1465
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,440
again to frame a black person and fuel
1466
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,720
the race war according to trial
1467
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,160
testimony Manson allegedly took his
1468
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,039
followers to the apartment building
1469
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:02,920
located here the address to that
1470
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,520
apartment building is you could
1471
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,680
literally say a Stones Throw from the
1472
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,400
address of the straight Satan's
1473
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:15,760
Clubhouse in Venice you mean that that
1474
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,160
straight Satan biker gang that Charlie
1475
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:22,039
owed money to yeah that biker gang they
1476
01:04:22,039 --> 01:04:24,680
were in Venice in the alternate Theory
1477
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,480
after Manson shot Bernard Crow he feared
1478
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,400
retaliation and Enlisted the straight
1479
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,200
satans for protection but Bobby BOS
1480
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:33,760
compromised his protection by getting
1481
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,720
into a conflict with the straight satans
1482
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,520
over a drug deal if Manson took enough
1483
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:40,520
money from the lanca residence he could
1484
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:42,279
have gone down to Venice to settle the
1485
01:04:42,279 --> 01:04:44,240
debt that Bobby bosay owed the straight
1486
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,640
satans from the Gary Hinman drug deal
1487
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:47,839
this would have regained their
1488
01:04:47,839 --> 01:04:50,039
protection from the Black Panthers it's
1489
01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:51,720
what 4 in the morning 3: 4 in the
1490
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,880
morning after the alanka thing they
1491
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:56,400
didn't go back to the r they went to
1492
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,480
Venice at 3 that's how that's how
1493
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,640
pressing this was for Charlie they
1494
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,520
couldn't wait till Monday to do business
1495
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,079
I think they went to Venice to pay off
1496
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:05,359
the straight
1497
01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:08,319
satans when you're in the know with
1498
01:05:08,319 --> 01:05:12,319
somebody that's in the know you don't
1499
01:05:12,319 --> 01:05:14,480
play games with
1500
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:18,000
them the next morning Charlie sent Linda
1501
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,880
caban down to the
1502
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,400
jail with a message for Bobby
1503
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,720
boset don't say anything everything's
1504
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,960
cool why all of a sudden is everything
1505
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,279
cool by Monday before any Court
1506
01:05:31,279 --> 01:05:32,760
proceedings started they could get a
1507
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,000
message to Bobby everything's cool we've
1508
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,680
taken care of everything don't say a
1509
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:40,400
word nothing we'll have you out of there
1510
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,520
soon by Monday morning seven people were
1511
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,760
dead but the string of murders was not
1512
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:51,000
finished the neighboring Rancher he
1513
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,599
didn't like the Manson family there at
1514
01:05:52,599 --> 01:05:54,920
the ranch so what was going on is that
1515
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,240
they were trying to get get them off the
1516
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,599
ranch it's been long speculated that the
1517
01:05:58,599 --> 01:06:00,480
neighboring Rancher may have recruited a
1518
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,760
ranch hand named Donald shorty Shay to
1519
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,160
rid the spawn Ranch of the group Manson
1520
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:06,720
believed shorty had tipped off the
1521
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,880
police leading to a raid you know there
1522
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,279
was definitely no love loss between
1523
01:06:10,279 --> 01:06:12,000
shorty Shay and Charles Manson that's
1524
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,119
for sure from all I can gather on August
1525
01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:18,960
16th 1969 26 members of the commune were
1526
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,000
arrested on suspicion of auto theft
1527
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,480
because of a date error the search
1528
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,599
warrant was ruled invalid and all were
1529
01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:27,000
released the police had no idea that any
1530
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:28,440
of them were connected to the murders
1531
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:29,920
making national
1532
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,200
news after they arrived back at the
1533
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:36,680
spawn Ranch Donald Shay was never seen
1534
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:40,160
again I went to sleep in a in a little
1535
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:41,720
trailer and I heard a
1536
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,160
scream and then I heard more screaming
1537
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,680
and then it just it just didn't end it
1538
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:47,400
was
1539
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,760
horrible and it just kept going on and
1540
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:53,079
on and I recognized Shorty's voice after
1541
01:06:53,079 --> 01:06:55,200
Donald Shay's disappearance Manson and
1542
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:56,079
the
1543
01:06:56,079 --> 01:06:59,000
left spawn Ranch Cappy suggested her
1544
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:00,319
grandmother had a place out there in
1545
01:07:00,319 --> 01:07:01,559
Death Valley when he was looking for a
1546
01:07:01,559 --> 01:07:03,039
place to go they went out there and
1547
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:04,760
looked at it he fell in love with it and
1548
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,319
he said this is it this is our Utopia
1549
01:07:07,319 --> 01:07:09,240
the land and Death Valley was an
1550
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,079
isolated mining property owned by
1551
01:07:11,079 --> 01:07:13,240
Katherine Gilly's grandmother after the
1552
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,039
murders Charles Manson and the group
1553
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:17,400
stayed there until October of
1554
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:21,319
1969 we went to the desert because me I
1555
01:07:21,319 --> 01:07:23,000
was born on the ocean and I live in the
1556
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,160
desert and I Bel the desert so
1557
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:29,720
I offered up the
1558
01:07:30,319 --> 01:07:32,760
desert just like authorities had in Los
1559
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,279
Angeles Ino County officers raided the
1560
01:07:35,279 --> 01:07:38,599
death valy Ranch on August 12th 1969 on
1561
01:07:38,599 --> 01:07:40,119
suspicion of auto
1562
01:07:40,119 --> 01:07:43,079
theft this time 24 members of the group
1563
01:07:43,079 --> 01:07:45,559
were arrested once again police had no
1564
01:07:45,559 --> 01:07:47,160
idea the group was involved in any of
1565
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,520
the murders all the killers were
1566
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:50,799
imprisoned except for Patricia
1567
01:07:50,799 --> 01:07:53,359
krenwinkel who went on both nights and
1568
01:07:53,359 --> 01:07:55,680
tex Watson after the murders Pat
1569
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,559
krenwinkel went back to
1570
01:07:57,559 --> 01:08:01,039
Alabama uh Tex Watson went back to Texas
1571
01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:03,480
nobody was holding them around record
1572
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,799
show that Linda caban was bailed out by
1573
01:08:05,799 --> 01:08:08,000
her parents and returned home to Milford
1574
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,319
New Hampshire before anyone else could
1575
01:08:10,319 --> 01:08:12,640
arrange for bail Susan Atkins
1576
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,600
confessed Susan Atkins is the one who
1577
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,359
broke the case I mean they didn't know
1578
01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:21,400
that it was Charles Manson or Susan
1579
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,199
Atkins or anything until she blabbed to
1580
01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:26,000
two of her cellmates that was her I me
1581
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,719
that was very much her Charlie would
1582
01:08:28,719 --> 01:08:30,319
have been better killing
1583
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:32,319
her and he probably would have gotten
1584
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:35,159
away with it a little bit
1585
01:08:35,159 --> 01:08:38,159
longer while inside the county jail
1586
01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:40,640
Susan Atkins told her cellmates she and
1587
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,080
the group were involved in the murder of
1588
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,839
Sharon Tate one of the first people she
1589
01:08:44,839 --> 01:08:46,719
confessed to was a call girl named
1590
01:08:46,719 --> 01:08:50,000
Virginia Graham Susan Atkins she plopped
1591
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:51,880
herself down and she sat on the bunk and
1592
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,359
we started talking and she presumed to
1593
01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:56,319
tell me how stupid the Poli me S and
1594
01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:58,239
they were dumb she said to me you know
1595
01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:00,719
those murders up Benedict Canyon she
1596
01:09:00,719 --> 01:09:02,799
says you know who did it don't you and I
1597
01:09:02,799 --> 01:09:05,600
said no and she said cold as can be
1598
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,319
you're looking at
1599
01:09:08,679 --> 01:09:12,159
her she didn't say Helter Skelter to me
1600
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:14,679
that that I found out out Helter Skelter
1601
01:09:14,679 --> 01:09:18,279
uh later later on but I don't recall her
1602
01:09:18,279 --> 01:09:21,159
telling me a Helter
1603
01:09:21,159 --> 01:09:23,679
Skelter Susan Atkins was denied
1604
01:09:23,679 --> 01:09:26,359
compassion at least in 200 8 and died
1605
01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:29,799
from brain cancer in prison but in 1969
1606
01:09:29,799 --> 01:09:31,560
the da was willing to overlook the
1607
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,239
brutality of her actions the deal with
1608
01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:37,080
Susan Atkins the prosecution was going
1609
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:41,080
to let her plead to second degree
1610
01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:44,759
murder Chan was begging for her life she
1611
01:09:44,759 --> 01:09:47,960
was being held by Susan Atkins and she
1612
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:49,600
said please don't kill me please don't
1613
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,920
kill me I just want to have my
1614
01:09:53,159 --> 01:09:56,159
baby I felt nothing I felt absolutely
1615
01:09:56,159 --> 01:09:57,360
nothing for
1616
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,719
her um and she
1617
01:10:00,719 --> 01:10:03,239
begged for her life and for the life of
1618
01:10:03,239 --> 01:10:05,320
the
1619
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:09,520
baby she said look I don't care
1620
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,159
about you or your child you're going to
1621
01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:16,960
die tonight I don't feel a thing behind
1622
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:22,040
it you know having Susan Atkins as the
1623
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:23,800
witness that wouldn't have gone over too
1624
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,080
well with the jury
1625
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,199
the prosecutor who was working up the
1626
01:10:32,199 --> 01:10:34,320
deal was the author of Helter Skelter
1627
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,840
Vincent bugliosi Vincent buosi was an
1628
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,040
outstanding prosecutor but if um one
1629
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:43,760
really were to dig much deeper what
1630
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:48,280
emerges is he was a womanizer he loved
1631
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,040
attention he was overambitious
1632
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,159
he had a guy sitting in court that I
1633
01:10:54,159 --> 01:10:56,159
thought was a report but it turned out
1634
01:10:56,159 --> 01:10:58,880
it was Kurt Gentry who Vince had hired
1635
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,320
to write a book on the case he didn't
1636
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:04,080
tell anybody about it this was going to
1637
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,199
make him rich and
1638
01:11:06,199 --> 01:11:09,199
famous it's our underworld soldier who
1639
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:11,360
you think the president is what you
1640
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:13,239
think he off
1641
01:11:13,239 --> 01:11:16,120
myself this is the Helter Skelter theory
1642
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:17,840
that was presented to the jury in the
1643
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,800
Charles Manson trials Manson formed a
1644
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,239
cult of obedient followers who wanted to
1645
01:11:23,239 --> 01:11:25,520
drop out of society their connection to
1646
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,920
the Bernard Crow Shooting is unknown as
1647
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:29,840
the motive was not explored by the
1648
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,360
prosecution Manson also wanted to be a
1649
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:34,520
rock star was obsessed with the Beatles
1650
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:36,719
and knew the Beach Boys through the
1651
01:11:36,719 --> 01:11:38,880
Beach Boys Manson came to resent Terry
1652
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,400
mure and considered mire's house a
1653
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,000
representation of the establishment
1654
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:45,800
Manson believed The Beatles were
1655
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,679
predicting a race war through hidden
1656
01:11:47,679 --> 01:11:50,280
messages in their songs and he needed
1657
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:52,719
money to further his preparation because
1658
01:11:52,719 --> 01:11:54,719
of this Manson further brainwashed his
1659
01:11:54,719 --> 01:11:56,400
cult to believe in the race war and
1660
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,760
ordered them to kill Gary Henman
1661
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:00,880
meanwhile to start the race war Manson
1662
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,080
decided to murder white people and frame
1663
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,239
black people by indirectly ordering his
1664
01:12:05,239 --> 01:12:07,159
followers to kill whoever lived at Terry
1665
01:12:07,159 --> 01:12:10,280
milch's House Manson also chose another
1666
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:12,199
house at random for unknown reasons and
1667
01:12:12,199 --> 01:12:14,960
ordered its occupants to be killed
1668
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,320
Manson's plot was to frame black people
1669
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,440
by having his followers leave indirect
1670
01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:21,440
references to the Beatles White Album at
1671
01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:23,719
the crime scenes which both the police
1672
01:12:23,719 --> 01:12:25,760
and black people would comprehend
1673
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,159
this would lead to a race war once the
1674
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:30,400
race War Began Manson and the family
1675
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:32,080
would hide in a secret cave in the
1676
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:35,159
desert after the war Manson would emerge
1677
01:12:35,159 --> 01:12:36,960
and become the leader of the Victorious
1678
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,480
black Army and rebuild the
1679
01:12:39,480 --> 01:12:42,040
world this is the theory that convicted
1680
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,639
Charles Manson and others and gained
1681
01:12:44,639 --> 01:12:47,440
prosecutor Vincent bugliosi Fame and a
1682
01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:51,400
best-selling book that's what the da
1683
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,840
said everybody will tell you what they
1684
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,080
think about me according to what they
1685
01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:00,920
want to use me for all I'm looking for
1686
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:08,080
is to help me I've always been by myself
1687
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,480
alone anything on the recordings that
1688
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:14,800
you know of whereby he speaks of his
1689
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,679
philosophy of Helter Skelter and the
1690
01:13:17,679 --> 01:13:21,639
ration damnation of this
1691
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,800
world I was really not a friendly
1692
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:25,719
Witness
1693
01:13:25,719 --> 01:13:27,199
I was on Parole for one thing and I
1694
01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:29,560
didn't want really get you know get
1695
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,800
connected with these people now and this
1696
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:33,840
Da comes out to my house you know trying
1697
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:35,199
trying to get stuff out of me that
1698
01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:38,560
wasn't there they know how to mil the C
1699
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,960
man and they do it so well the cow don't
1700
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:43,080
even know
1701
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:46,280
it the Helter Skelter theory is not only
1702
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,760
Sensational it establishes the elements
1703
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:50,960
of first-degree murder and conspiracy
1704
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,600
under the California law which says that
1705
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,320
the defendant must not only agree to
1706
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,600
commit a crime but also commit an overt
1707
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,440
act in furtherance of that agreement
1708
01:14:00,440 --> 01:14:02,040
without proving the Helter Skelter
1709
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,159
motive there was no evidence whatsoever
1710
01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:05,960
that Manson wanted these murders to
1711
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:07,600
happen you have to be a party to it you
1712
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,120
can't just know about it I didn't break
1713
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,120
the law because I've been in prison all
1714
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:14,719
my life and I know the law I know what
1715
01:14:14,719 --> 01:14:17,080
conspiracy is I'm not going to conspire
1716
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:20,560
to do something that's kind of stupid is
1717
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,360
I'm not a stupid dude I'm dumb but I'm
1718
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,480
not stupid this is the implication of
1719
01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:28,880
what Manson was saying it's not that he
1720
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,400
wasn't involved in the events of the
1721
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,880
summer of' 69 Manson admitted to
1722
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:34,960
shooting Bernard Crowe his involvement
1723
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,280
with drugs the straight satans and the
1724
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,480
motive of getting Bobby out of prison
1725
01:14:39,480 --> 01:14:41,400
but when it comes to the murders he
1726
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,560
purposely kept himself at a distance I
1727
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,520
thought it was a horrible case against
1728
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,040
him remember that he was not at the
1729
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,800
scene he was 40 Mi away when the murders
1730
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,480
took place so he was kind of he was an
1731
01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:57,000
armchair murderer the Helter Skelter
1732
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:58,920
theory was how the prosecution
1733
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,000
demonstrated that Manson was guilty of
1734
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,440
conspiracy and murder under the
1735
01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:05,840
requirements of law they described a
1736
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,000
scenario where he ordered the murders
1737
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,440
without actually saying the words I mean
1738
01:15:10,440 --> 01:15:13,920
they all knew about Helder skeler but we
1739
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,120
didn't have any evidence that that
1740
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:19,120
specific night that Manson said go out
1741
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,040
and start Helder skeler he just said go
1742
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:25,800
with Tex and do what Tex tells you to do
1743
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:29,199
they don't Adit the truth they had no
1744
01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:33,600
evidence against me
1745
01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:39,239
none there was no evidence that Manson
1746
01:15:39,239 --> 01:15:41,719
himself killed anyone the prosecution
1747
01:15:41,719 --> 01:15:43,520
said that Manson was guilty under the
1748
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,360
rule of vicarious responsibility the
1749
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:48,440
notion that Manson's plot to start a
1750
01:15:48,440 --> 01:15:50,440
race war made him responsible for all
1751
01:15:50,440 --> 01:15:52,400
the crimes committed to further it
1752
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,080
remember Vince is trying to push the
1753
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,000
agenda of Charlie just came out of
1754
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,520
nowhere and said hey we got to start a
1755
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:03,320
race war Bernard Crow drug dealing car
1756
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:05,159
theft auto none of that has anything to
1757
01:16:05,159 --> 01:16:07,320
do with this if Vince introduces
1758
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:09,239
anything outside of that it starts to
1759
01:16:09,239 --> 01:16:11,520
wash away that Helter Skelter Theory
1760
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:12,840
then you have that Reasonable Doubt
1761
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:14,159
creeping in well maybe it had something
1762
01:16:14,159 --> 01:16:15,239
to do with the drug
1763
01:16:15,239 --> 01:16:17,360
deal and Vince doesn't want you going
1764
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,760
down that road people don't want to look
1765
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,760
at it from the point of
1766
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,480
view that dranks them just something
1767
01:16:25,480 --> 01:16:28,080
they don't
1768
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,080
like the prosecution used the race War
1769
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:36,320
as a basis of their legal argument if
1770
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,320
the alternative theory is correct might
1771
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,000
they have ignored the true nature of the
1772
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,159
events to gain a conviction whatever
1773
01:16:42,159 --> 01:16:44,800
Manson's crimes do the ends justify the
1774
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:48,600
means I think if he had had a competent
1775
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,880
lawyer he would have either walked at
1776
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,719
the trial or walked on appeal because
1777
01:16:53,719 --> 01:16:55,760
there just wasn't sufficient testimony
1778
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,480
to convict him of anything to convict
1779
01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:01,000
Manson the prosecution's entire case
1780
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:02,800
depended on one of the murderers
1781
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,080
corroborating their theory on December
1782
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:08,159
2nd 1969 4 months after the death of
1783
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:10,320
Sharon Tate the last of the murderers
1784
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,920
was captured then the caban surrendered
1785
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:16,000
in New Mexico and returned to California
1786
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:17,800
she immediately met with her attorney
1787
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:20,080
Gary fleschman I talked to her and the
1788
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:21,840
only conversation I can tell you is I
1789
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:25,120
said keep your mouth shut and keep it sh
1790
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:28,760
in that jail don't talk to anybody about
1791
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:30,360
this
1792
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:33,239
ever I can't tell you the conversation I
1793
01:17:33,239 --> 01:17:37,000
had with her but I was led to believe
1794
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,000
that the murders up there started long
1795
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,440
before the Tate La Bianca
1796
01:17:42,440 --> 01:17:45,920
case I Can't Describe what she told me
1797
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:50,440
but it was scary the whole thing was
1798
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:55,280
scary at that time Linda caban had few
1799
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,400
options because Susan Atkins had already
1800
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:59,960
turned States witness according to Gary
1801
01:17:59,960 --> 01:18:03,320
fleschman he had caban sabotage Susan
1802
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:05,320
Atkins testimony while they were both in
1803
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,360
custody to bolster her bargaining
1804
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:10,159
position with the
1805
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:13,639
prosecutors I had Linda pass kites to
1806
01:18:13,639 --> 01:18:16,199
her in the jail a kite as a little
1807
01:18:16,199 --> 01:18:19,520
letter saying in Charlie talk Charlie
1808
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,840
talk being the da is your lawyer Charlie
1809
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,880
is the da nonsense like that and this
1810
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:27,679
Atkins was a little nuts and she then
1811
01:18:27,679 --> 01:18:30,239
refused to testify so now they were left
1812
01:18:30,239 --> 01:18:31,360
with
1813
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:32,880
Linda
1814
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:36,400
period and then negotiations started
1815
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:37,880
first they offered me murder in the
1816
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:40,520
second degree I said no then they
1817
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,440
offered me voluntary manslaughter I said
1818
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:45,760
no she was technically guilty of
1819
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,120
first-degree murder as an accessory
1820
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,239
before and after the
1821
01:18:50,239 --> 01:18:53,320
fact lindic caban was one of the four
1822
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:55,199
who had participated in the Shar tapate
1823
01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:57,360
murders and was with Charles Manson The
1824
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:00,080
Night of the lanca murders but prior to
1825
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:01,520
that she had only been with the group
1826
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,080
for about 30 days and had spent little
1827
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:07,239
time with Manson himself nobody read it
1828
01:19:07,239 --> 01:19:09,159
on me
1829
01:19:09,159 --> 01:19:14,080
except she didn't R cuz she didn't know
1830
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,800
anything what they did was they got that
1831
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:27,520
some of the women that didn't know
1832
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:31,639
me I can get in your
1833
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:37,000
mind so we typed up an immunity
1834
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,080
agreement and the immunity agreement
1835
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:42,280
said Linda caban will receive immunity
1836
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:44,280
if she testifies to the truth in the
1837
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:48,920
so-called Manson Murders the truth is as
1838
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:53,840
follows I knew exactly what was
1839
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,800
necessary to convict him and whether
1840
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,679
that was the truth or not wasn't my
1841
01:19:59,679 --> 01:20:02,719
business to decide that was Vince's
1842
01:20:02,719 --> 01:20:07,800
business I said Linda if you testify to
1843
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:11,360
that you're going to walk out of that
1844
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:17,320
courtroom Charles Manson Susan Atkins
1845
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:19,960
Patricia krenwinkel Charles Tex Watson
1846
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,120
and Leslie van hton were all charged
1847
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,719
with murder and conspiracy but Tex Wat
1848
01:20:24,719 --> 01:20:26,480
Watson had fled to his home state of
1849
01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:28,600
Texas and faced extradition to
1850
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,199
California but Lind casaban ready to
1851
01:20:31,199 --> 01:20:33,840
testify Tex Watson was not brought back
1852
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,920
in time for Manson's trial Tech sat out
1853
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,679
a whole year and watched that trial
1854
01:20:39,679 --> 01:20:42,520
develop and had he brought Tex in with
1855
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:44,400
him there's no way he would have got
1856
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:45,719
that conviction they wanted to get rid
1857
01:20:45,719 --> 01:20:48,440
of me I had gone to Stanford I was
1858
01:20:48,440 --> 01:20:49,920
really the only lawyer in the place that
1859
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,719
knew what the hell was going on we filed
1860
01:20:52,719 --> 01:20:55,400
a very detailed motion to get the case
1861
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:58,280
out of LA County it had like a hundred
1862
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,040
newspaper clippings and I claimed that
1863
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:04,480
the bad publicity was instigated by the
1864
01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:06,480
prosecutors and that's enough to get the
1865
01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:09,639
case dismissed at least on appeal that
1866
01:21:09,639 --> 01:21:11,880
case should have never been tried in Los
1867
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:14,600
Angeles County but when we went to make
1868
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,960
a deal we withdrew the motion you should
1869
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,280
have seen my when I was sitting in the
1870
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:22,120
courtroom and Linda came up with a
1871
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:25,440
demure thisal gold C that she was
1872
01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:27,520
fingering and got up on the stand and
1873
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,960
said I'm just an angel sent here from
1874
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:33,320
Heaven to tell the world that Charli is
1875
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:37,280
the devil not Jesus
1876
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:41,760
Christ listen and learn the courtroom
1877
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:43,280
shows our
1878
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:46,520
Justice the courtroom is the eye of the
1879
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:47,760
social
1880
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,239
Consciousness you've got to go along
1881
01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:53,000
with the courtroom right or wrong hasn't
1882
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,280
got anything to do with
1883
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:58,880
I'm a mass murderer in the
1884
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,679
courtroom it literally branded Charles
1885
01:22:01,679 --> 01:22:04,120
Manson the most evil dangerous
1886
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:08,520
man in the world there's no end to my
1887
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:12,719
Insanity my insanity is so much genius
1888
01:22:12,719 --> 01:22:17,679
I've got five heads in one
1889
01:22:17,679 --> 01:22:20,400
hand none of the defense attorneys
1890
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,679
challenged the fact
1891
01:22:22,679 --> 01:22:27,120
that Linda C testimony went
1892
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,440
uncorroborated I know how involved she
1893
01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:31,760
was and I won't
1894
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:34,880
say but she was definitely involved
1895
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,760
yes when the trial wound to a close
1896
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:44,960
those Associated began to fear for their
1897
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,199
lives many involved have since changed
1898
01:22:47,199 --> 01:22:50,040
their names in fear of reprisal Live and
1899
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:52,120
Let Live you don't let me live you don't
1900
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:54,679
live that's all if you let me live if
1901
01:22:54,679 --> 01:22:56,679
you live if you don't let me live then
1902
01:22:56,679 --> 01:22:59,159
you get your own judgment everybody gets
1903
01:22:59,159 --> 01:23:01,159
to judge themselves I don't I didn't
1904
01:23:01,159 --> 01:23:04,520
want the job you know Charlie went like
1905
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,400
this to me meaning I'm going to cut your
1906
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:10,159
throat and I said to him Charlie when
1907
01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:12,960
you get out of jail I'm going to have a
1908
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,560
turkey neck bring a sharp knife to cut
1909
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:18,679
it he started laughing they came to my
1910
01:23:18,679 --> 01:23:21,360
house twice to kill me my neighbor said
1911
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:22,639
that the the guys have been crawling
1912
01:23:22,639 --> 01:23:24,960
over your fence one night during the
1913
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,400
first trial on my way to the parking lot
1914
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,719
where I had parked squeaky and Sandy
1915
01:23:30,719 --> 01:23:33,360
good snuck up behind me and said they
1916
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:34,840
were going to do to my house what was
1917
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:37,719
done at the Tate house Leslie van Hon's
1918
01:23:37,719 --> 01:23:39,679
attorney Ronald Hughes went missing
1919
01:23:39,679 --> 01:23:41,480
during the trial leaving many to
1920
01:23:41,480 --> 01:23:43,800
speculate I remember we broke for the
1921
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,080
weekend on a Friday
1922
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,520
afternoon Manson pointed directly at
1923
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:52,000
Ronald Hughes and said attorney I don't
1924
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:53,800
want to ever see you in this courtroom
1925
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:56,920
again his body was found 6 months later
1926
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:58,840
uh but it was so badly decomposed that
1927
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,480
they couldn't tell the cause of death so
1928
01:24:01,480 --> 01:24:03,800
I'll bet your bottom dollar that he said
1929
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,679
something that got under Charlie's skin
1930
01:24:06,679 --> 01:24:09,520
and Manson had him killed I mean he went
1931
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:11,159
up to sesp Hot Springs and all of a
1932
01:24:11,159 --> 01:24:13,800
sudden he's dead I don't believe it was
1933
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:15,560
an
1934
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:18,080
accident after the first trial the
1935
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,960
Manson family became Infamous Vincent
1936
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,280
bugliosi published Helter Skelter the
1937
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:25,639
bestselling True Crime book of all time
1938
01:24:25,639 --> 01:24:28,000
beginning Decades of movies books and TV
1939
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,760
shows showcasing Charles Manson as the
1940
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,159
Incarnation of evil they think they're
1941
01:24:33,159 --> 01:24:35,199
stealing me but all they're doing is
1942
01:24:35,199 --> 01:24:37,440
stealing what I've left for them to
1943
01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:40,159
steal and other words they're playing
1944
01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:42,760
all my dreams but I left those on the
1945
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:43,679
bus
1946
01:24:43,679 --> 01:24:48,480
stop such an insidiously created
1947
01:24:49,239 --> 01:24:52,880
book it's a curse having
1948
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:57,239
Liber da up man convicted me in
1949
01:24:57,239 --> 01:24:59,560
in the Press he didn't convict me in
1950
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,119
court Charles Manson and the rest
1951
01:25:02,119 --> 01:25:04,560
continued on through the courts they
1952
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:06,119
received another death sentence for the
1953
01:25:06,119 --> 01:25:08,440
murder of Donald shorty Shay based
1954
01:25:08,440 --> 01:25:11,560
primarily on the testimony of barbar Hoy
1955
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:13,760
Tex Watson received a separate trial for
1956
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:15,639
the Tate La Bianca murders and was
1957
01:25:15,639 --> 01:25:18,119
sentenced to death like the others
1958
01:25:18,119 --> 01:25:20,239
following year the California Supreme
1959
01:25:20,239 --> 01:25:22,280
Court abolished the death penalty and
1960
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:23,920
all their sentences were commuted to
1961
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,520
life in prison the first trial everybody
1962
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:28,239
was brainwashed Tex was brainwashed
1963
01:25:28,239 --> 01:25:29,480
everybody went and killed for Charlie
1964
01:25:29,480 --> 01:25:31,960
but when Tex gets the trial he wasn't
1965
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:35,210
brainwashed he acted on his
1966
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:42,199
own in November of 1969 Bobby bosay was
1967
01:25:42,199 --> 01:25:44,040
tried in the murder of Gary Hinman
1968
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:47,000
before the da had charged Charles Manson
1969
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,760
Bose's first trial ended in a mistrial
1970
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:51,320
when the jury could not come to a
1971
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,600
unanimous verdict there was no mention
1972
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:55,760
of Helter Skelter the first triy it was
1973
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,440
just a quiet little little trial in
1974
01:25:58,440 --> 01:26:02,880
Santa Monica uh the jury was hung 8 to4
1975
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:04,360
you know and I didn't even testify
1976
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:06,440
because the the case was was really very
1977
01:26:06,440 --> 01:26:09,280
weak in a second trial which took place
1978
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:11,880
after Manson was arrested Bobby bosay
1979
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,080
was rebranded a member of the Manson
1980
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,280
family he and Susan Atkins were
1981
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:18,400
sentenced to death alongside Charles
1982
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:20,960
Manson for the murder of Gary Hinman
1983
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:22,760
they brought up this race war thing and
1984
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:24,920
all of that it was horrible man they did
1985
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:28,040
a lot of Insidious
1986
01:26:31,119 --> 01:26:33,520
things those convicted of the Tate
1987
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:36,520
labianca murders remain in jail some
1988
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:38,560
like Leslie van hton have been granted
1989
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,920
parole but because of her association
1990
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:43,400
with Charles Manson her parole has been
1991
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:45,880
continually overturned I don't think
1992
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:47,719
that she deserves to get up they were
1993
01:26:47,719 --> 01:26:49,920
all Lucky that they didn't suffer the
1994
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,199
death penalty I'm going to get her out
1995
01:26:52,199 --> 01:26:56,159
um the da is not operating fairly just
1996
01:26:56,159 --> 01:26:58,679
follow the law that's all that's all I'm
1997
01:26:58,679 --> 01:27:02,159
asking Lynette squeaky FR served 35
1998
01:27:02,159 --> 01:27:03,840
years in prison for attempting to
1999
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,040
assassinate President Gerald Ford she
2000
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:09,800
was paroled in 2009 Vincent bugliosi
2001
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:13,239
died in 2015 but his book Helter Skelter
2002
01:27:13,239 --> 01:27:15,040
has become gospel in terms of
2003
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:19,239
information on Charles Manson
2004
01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:33,239
that's hard for me to believe that all
2005
01:27:33,239 --> 01:27:37,000
this time has gone by man Charles Manson
2006
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,199
was not an innocent man but does it
2007
01:27:39,199 --> 01:27:41,560
matter how we know that should those in
2008
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:43,560
power be allowed to construct their own
2009
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:46,520
truth in the pursuit of Justice I see
2010
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:49,679
things as they really are and true
2011
01:27:49,679 --> 01:27:52,480
you've got a constitution in the United
2012
01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:54,760
States and they read it and they study
2013
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,920
it in school but they never really
2014
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:00,520
understand the validity of it and how
2015
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:04,000
powerful it really
2016
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:06,719
is I don't care who it is if somebody
2017
01:28:06,719 --> 01:28:08,080
doesn't get a fair
2018
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:10,670
trial then we're all in
2019
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:15,239
trouble do I think he's separated
2020
01:28:15,239 --> 01:28:17,440
Injustice not
2021
01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:20,920
really not in my heart of hearts but as
2022
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:22,520
a matter of
2023
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:25,040
litigation yes he did did suffer an
2024
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:27,560
injustice whether Marley he suffered an
2025
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:29,560
injustice I don't think
2026
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:32,400
so this leaves some to ask if the
2027
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,760
prosecution had pursued the alternative
2028
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:36,600
Theory with its brutal but less
2029
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:38,760
Sensational elements would anyone even
2030
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:41,080
know Charles Manson and would he have
2031
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:42,800
died in
2032
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:46,719
prison I believe what I'm told to
2033
01:28:46,719 --> 01:28:49,240
believe don't you
152611
Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.