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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,679 --> 00:00:13,799 this began a year ago when Charles 2 00:00:13,799 --> 00:00:15,519 Manson a man thought to be the 3 00:00:15,519 --> 00:00:18,760 embodiment of evil started calling if 4 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,119 you can find a way to get me a cell 5 00:00:22,119 --> 00:00:25,439 phone to where I can use it and call let 6 00:00:25,439 --> 00:00:28,480 make it in the game if you can find a 7 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,080 way where you can do what you want to do 8 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,200 but as soon as you get there you're 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,399 going to have 15,000 people who are 10 00:00:36,399 --> 00:00:38,680 covering up what they've already been 11 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,640 stealing and doing what do you say to 12 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,399 one of the most infamous Mass murderers 13 00:00:43,399 --> 00:00:46,120 of all time when given the chance we ask 14 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,760 for his story in his own words I don't 15 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,239 give a about telling my story my 16 00:00:53,239 --> 00:00:57,600 story is been all over the 17 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,680 world a thousand times T of thousand 18 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,400 times you are for you right 19 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,640 right long as we understand that this is 20 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,920 not based on friendship not based on 21 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,400 brotherhood it's based on guns and 22 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:22,640 knives it's based on Revolution and War 23 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,360 politics and 24 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,840 government 25 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,240 survival though decades have passed P 26 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,200 since his conviction the obsessive 27 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,799 interest never waned Manson of all 28 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:37,560 people appreciates his notoriety I'm the 29 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,439 most famous human being not only that is 30 00:01:40,439 --> 00:01:42,920 alive but the most famous human being 31 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,200 that ever lived and I'm not even 32 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,000 did you think is going to happen 33 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,840 when I die the problem is Manson is 34 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,200 famous the kids nowadays they don't look 35 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,840 behind to see exactly what it is he 36 00:02:06,039 --> 00:02:08,879 did in the late' 60s Charles Manson was 37 00:02:08,879 --> 00:02:10,319 convicted for the brutal murder of 38 00:02:10,319 --> 00:02:12,920 actress Sharon Tate and eight others he 39 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:15,160 was sentenced to death for all of them 40 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:16,640 when the California Supreme Court 41 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:19,560 abolished the death penalty in 1972 his 42 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,080 sentence was commuted to life in prison 43 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,640 the reality of it is uh beyond the 44 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:28,400 his own death 45 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,680 Ro already done that been 46 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,040 there the people that haven't done it 47 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,519 and haven't been there they don't 48 00:02:35,519 --> 00:02:37,080 understand it you know they don't have 49 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,159 respect for it I got 50 00:02:41,159 --> 00:02:43,720 respect Manson's murder spree took place 51 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:45,159 in the summer of 52 00:02:45,159 --> 00:02:47,920 1969 it was the peak of the Vietnam War 53 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:50,760 in a time of civil unrest it is said 54 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,400 that Charles Manson was the leader of a 55 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,280 cult called the Manson 56 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,040 family they lived outside of society 57 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,239 indulging in a constant stream of drugs 58 00:02:59,239 --> 00:03:00,720 and sex 59 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,000 we went where nobody had ever went 60 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,080 before not thinking about it just it 61 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,799 just happened man I wasn't nobody's 62 00:03:09,799 --> 00:03:12,519 leader I wasn't everybody I 63 00:03:12,519 --> 00:03:14,879 could sex Revolution everybody was doing 64 00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:17,760 it I just get my share that's 65 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,560 all the first murder took place in July 66 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:21,280 of 67 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,840 1969 Manson was convicted of ordering 68 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,560 three of his disciples to kill and 69 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,040 associate in a plot to extort money 70 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:29,799 after they stabbed the victim to death 71 00:03:29,799 --> 00:03:31,760 Manson's followers rote on the walls in 72 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:32,879 his 73 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:35,319 blood a month later the murders 74 00:03:35,319 --> 00:03:37,439 escalated the official account from the 75 00:03:37,439 --> 00:03:40,040 Los Angeles District Attorney is this 76 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,840 Charles Manson sent out more cult 77 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,879 members to an isolated House in Beverly 78 00:03:43,879 --> 00:03:45,920 Hills with orders to kill everyone 79 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,319 inside it was the home of beautiful and 80 00:03:48,319 --> 00:03:50,400 Pregnant movie star Sharon Tate who was 81 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,879 spending the evening with 82 00:03:52,879 --> 00:03:55,159 friends how could they drive up to that 83 00:03:55,159 --> 00:03:57,519 house get out and know what they're 84 00:03:57,519 --> 00:03:59,920 going to do nobody was going to leave 85 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:03,280 that house alive and it it it was just 86 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:04,480 boggles the 87 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,480 mind he says I go out and do this and 88 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,000 then you're all in the car together go 89 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,840 okay we're going to do it nobody says 90 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,120 like should we we doing this Oran 91 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,440 Charlie right no question unquestionable 92 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,160 they went and they would did what they 93 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,680 did at Charles Manson's trial the 94 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,280 prosecution stated on the evening of 95 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:26,520 August the 8th 1969 Charles Manson sent 96 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,800 his robots out on a mission of murder 97 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,800 there is no evidence that he actually 98 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,520 personally killed any of the victims in 99 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:37,360 this case you to get upun and kill your 100 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:38,960 food every 101 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:43,520 day he be hell Warrior 102 00:04:43,759 --> 00:04:46,360 man before they left one of the killers 103 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,039 rote on a door this time using Sharon 104 00:04:49,039 --> 00:04:54,160 Tate's blood they wanted to shock the 105 00:04:58,479 --> 00:05:00,840 public and a scene described by 106 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:03,080 investigators as reminiscent of a weird 107 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,840 religious ritual five persons including 108 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:09,039 actress Sharon Tate were found 109 00:05:09,039 --> 00:05:11,280 dead among the other victims were 110 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:14,400 Hollywood Hair Stylist J 111 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,639 Sebring one officer summed up the 112 00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:19,319 murders when he said in all my years I 113 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:23,160 have never seen anything like this 114 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,240 before I was in the kitchen and the 115 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:26,720 phone 116 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,120 rang he said they think Jay and Sharon 117 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,639 have just been mured 118 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,520 murdered I remember just sinking down I 119 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,400 was standing up against the sink and I 120 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,759 just sank down to the floor I was like 121 00:05:38,759 --> 00:05:40,160 I'm melting I'm 122 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,360 melting I was stunned I was shocked I 123 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:44,800 was in 124 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,319 hysterics when the murders took place 125 00:05:47,319 --> 00:05:50,360 people were buying Gatling guns the 126 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,319 whole town bought guns they were 127 00:05:52,319 --> 00:05:54,560 frightened to death for months for 128 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,280 someone to hang up the phone on your 129 00:05:56,280 --> 00:05:59,120 boyfriend and then the next morning hear 130 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,800 that he's been brutally murdered with 131 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,479 three of his 132 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,840 friends that's horrifying Manson's crime 133 00:06:08,840 --> 00:06:11,280 spree wasn't finished the day after the 134 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:13,319 murder of Sharon Tate and others Charles 135 00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:15,160 Manson took members of his group out 136 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,520 again this time they went to the home of 137 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,479 an affluent couple named loo and 138 00:06:19,479 --> 00:06:22,720 rosemary Lanka allegedly Manson ordered 139 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,240 three of his followers to butcher the 140 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,120 couple leaving more messages Written in 141 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,120 Blood 142 00:06:31,919 --> 00:06:37,199 they never lied about me all say I think 143 00:06:37,199 --> 00:06:40,800 he said go in you and kill those people 144 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,840 well she could think a big elephant 145 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:43,880 that's 146 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,639 serly that's like a horror movie it's 147 00:06:46,639 --> 00:06:48,639 like those movies where you wonder who's 148 00:06:48,639 --> 00:06:51,680 going to be next people put the bad 149 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,160 mouth on somebody for all kinds of 150 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:56,800 psychological 151 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:03,759 reasons jealousy is a big reg people 152 00:07:04,039 --> 00:07:06,280 manuver when Charles Manson and his 153 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:08,479 family were arrested and charged it 154 00:07:08,479 --> 00:07:10,440 became the longest and most expensive 155 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,319 trial in the history of Los Angeles the 156 00:07:13,319 --> 00:07:17,120 Fright in the town was so gigantic about 157 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,440 this and he looked like the devil 158 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,039 sitting in court that trial was like a 159 00:07:24,039 --> 00:07:29,199 circus I mean it was insanity 160 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,520 during the trial Manson carved an X in 161 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,400 his forehead which he later turned into 162 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,479 a swastika and shaved off all of his 163 00:07:38,479 --> 00:07:40,560 hair to symbolize his desire to be 164 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,160 discarded from society his followers all 165 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,240 did the same then I realize that X on 166 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,479 them heads means that head is gone man 167 00:07:49,479 --> 00:07:51,000 you know they still think that person's 168 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,000 there because they got a head you but I 169 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,919 took that head I got it on my 170 00:07:55,919 --> 00:07:58,120 belt every time I went to court every 171 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,960 day they'd be out there you know singing 172 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,919 Charlie Charlie and the swas stickers on 173 00:08:02,919 --> 00:08:05,120 the head shaving their hair and you know 174 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,560 I mean that that's not normal you that's 175 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,639 Looney tuings right 176 00:08:11,479 --> 00:08:13,960 there for half a century Charles 177 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,440 Manson's bizarre behavior continued and 178 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,639 speculation over his unspeakable crimes 179 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:19,720 has only 180 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,919 intensified but the question has always 181 00:08:21,919 --> 00:08:24,199 remained how did Charles Manon get these 182 00:08:24,199 --> 00:08:28,240 people to kill for him 183 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,880 that stupid district attorney 184 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,000 convicted me for a Helter 185 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,440 Skelter thing that he was thinking but 186 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,640 it took me 40 years to figure out what a 187 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,560 called was when speaking to Charles 188 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:48,800 Manson the topic of Helter Skelter comes 189 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,320 up frequently and Manson's answer is 190 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,880 always the same he maintains that Helter 191 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,800 Skelter was invented by the prosecution 192 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,680 the Manson family's convictions were led 193 00:08:58,680 --> 00:09:01,000 by Vincent Bo OSI who wrote the book 194 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,959 Helter Skelter which became the 195 00:09:02,959 --> 00:09:05,440 bestselling True Crime book of all time 196 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,720 according to bugliosi Helter Skelter was 197 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,720 a name Charles Manson gave to his own 198 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,800 bizarre philosophy which he derived from 199 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,440 the name of a beetle song one of their 200 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,800 favorite things to do is they would sit 201 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,800 around on acid and listen to The Beatles 202 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,600 White out they determined what the 203 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,160 Beatles were doing is they were sending 204 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,440 messages to blacks to rise up and start 205 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,360 a revolution 206 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,720 Manson allegedly convinced his followers 207 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,839 that he foresaw the race War prophesized 208 00:09:38,839 --> 00:09:40,760 by The Beatles and told them they needed 209 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,920 to slaughter white affluent victims to 210 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,560 further Inspire the black Revolution 211 00:09:45,560 --> 00:09:46,560 Helter 212 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:50,079 Skelter it's a social Uprising between 213 00:09:50,079 --> 00:09:52,160 the blacks and the whites the start of a 214 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:56,560 race war the apocalyptic end if you 215 00:09:56,560 --> 00:09:59,480 will Charlie and the family will hide 216 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,440 underground they will be the remaining 217 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,240 ones left the prosecution claimed that 218 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,399 Charles Manson and his followers plan to 219 00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:08,440 hide out in a secret cave located in 220 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,160 Death Valley and waited out the war when 221 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,000 the dust had settled they would emerge 222 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,839 and Charles Manson believed he would 223 00:10:14,839 --> 00:10:17,079 rebuild the world to say it was an 224 00:10:17,079 --> 00:10:20,519 unusual motive as an understatement but 225 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:24,200 I can tell you that was the 226 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,880 motive nothing could have been more 227 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,680 horrendous than what happened that that 228 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:33,000 night to innocent people 229 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,079 who didn't even know their murderers and 230 00:10:36,079 --> 00:10:38,480 and 231 00:10:38,519 --> 00:10:42,360 and and the reasons that that this 232 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,639 Maniac orchestrated this whole thing 233 00:10:44,639 --> 00:10:47,680 were just Looney 234 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:50,480 Tunes I think God damn this is not what 235 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:55,480 I wanted to be doesn't matter what I 236 00:10:56,639 --> 00:10:59,600 wanted according to Manson helter SC Al 237 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,600 is a myth and the true story behind the 238 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,240 murders is one that remains 239 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,959 Untold I've been deep in thought in 240 00:11:06,959 --> 00:11:10,440 solitary confinement for almost 40 years 241 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,000 thinking what the hell does all this 242 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,959 mean how does that fit where does that 243 00:11:13,959 --> 00:11:16,440 work and the stuff that I've come up 244 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,399 with man it's just 245 00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:21,600 unbelievable it's totally 246 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,600 unbelievable when speaking of Charles 247 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,760 Manson the most famous mind-controlling 248 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,920 mass murder of all time you had to be 249 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,720 careful not to take him at his word but 250 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,120 after months of conversations questions 251 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,880 began to emerge the precious point is 252 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,320 that the health of sculpure that the da 253 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,480 made into what he was doing was 254 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,959 basically when they lose control they 255 00:11:46,959 --> 00:11:50,600 don't admit that they lost 256 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,360 control they just lost 257 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,079 face and then make another movie like 258 00:11:56,079 --> 00:11:57,560 you 259 00:11:57,560 --> 00:11:59,920 doing people who have looked into the 260 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:02,639 case Beyond just a superficial level of 261 00:12:02,639 --> 00:12:04,959 reading Helter Skelter don't believe any 262 00:12:04,959 --> 00:12:07,800 of that stuff in fact most of the media 263 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,519 do believe that he was trying to ignite 264 00:12:09,519 --> 00:12:12,160 a race war and called Helter Skelter and 265 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,600 the whole thing we spoke with authors 266 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,600 researchers and people who know Charles 267 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,720 Manson directly Charles Manson 268 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,320 personally put us in contact with people 269 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,040 who know him others we found on our own 270 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:24,920 we sought to speak to anyone who was 271 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,079 there when the crimes took place all to 272 00:12:27,079 --> 00:12:30,199 unravel what actually happened back in 273 00:12:30,199 --> 00:12:33,680 1969 we didn't have access to the police 274 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:35,880 reports we didn't have access to autopsy 275 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,519 or the FBI Files so we're more inclined 276 00:12:38,519 --> 00:12:40,760 to believe the official 277 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,600 narrative you'll find out 278 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,720 man have a good day here 279 00:12:53,839 --> 00:12:56,839 brother this is global ta link you have 280 00:12:56,839 --> 00:13:00,040 a prepaid call from 281 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,320 B an inmate at the California medical 282 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,320 facility Ville 283 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,959 California Bobby bosle was the first 284 00:13:08,959 --> 00:13:10,760 person arrested and accused of being a 285 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,040 member of the Manson family he's been in 286 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,839 prison since 287 00:13:14,839 --> 00:13:17,760 1969 it is extremely important that 288 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,120 people understand what happened if we 289 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:21,440 don't want the same kind of things to 290 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,279 happen again we have to understand them 291 00:13:23,279 --> 00:13:25,120 and we can't understand them in the 292 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,880 context of vce Boo's little Horror Story 293 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,040 he did more to victimize 294 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:34,000 Sharon Kate and Charlie 295 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,639 man it's the same weak orated Helter 296 00:13:38,639 --> 00:13:41,320 Skelter nonsense that is so far away 297 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,920 from the truth I will never to get a 298 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,199 parole say that what buosi said was true 299 00:13:47,199 --> 00:13:49,480 never I'd rather die in prison than get 300 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:50,959 out on a 301 00:13:50,959 --> 00:13:53,600 line part of it was the cries and the 302 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,000 desperation that had set in in 303 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,720 1969 and you know the event 304 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:00,959 got out of 305 00:14:00,959 --> 00:14:05,000 hand a lot of his attitudes and 306 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,240 beliefs that had been engendered while 307 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,160 he was in prison he came 308 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,800 expressed and again I'm not defending 309 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,279 him you know he was a 310 00:14:16,279 --> 00:14:20,240 psychopath for sure and that had been 311 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,639 not genetic but something that had been 312 00:14:23,639 --> 00:14:25,959 developed you know his his compassion 313 00:14:25,959 --> 00:14:28,519 and empathy had been beaten out of him 314 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:30,000 by the syst 315 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,360 that he grew up in which was Juvenile 316 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,839 Justice and Criminal Justice 317 00:14:34,839 --> 00:14:37,680 System Manson told many people many 318 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,759 stories about his childhood but certain 319 00:14:39,759 --> 00:14:43,240 aspects of his upbringing are 320 00:14:43,639 --> 00:14:46,240 irrefutable his birth certificate from 321 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,120 1934 identifies his mother as Kathleen 322 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,120 Maddox a 15-year-old single mother who 323 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,480 struggled with alcohol and was often 324 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:59,120 arrested my mother and my uncle get TI 325 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,639 and Sheed to throw away sometime around 326 00:15:02,639 --> 00:15:05,160 1944 when Kathleen couldn't care for her 327 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,040 son or she was arrested Manson began 328 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,320 what would become a lifetime in 329 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,000 prison Michael channels has known Manson 330 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,480 personally for 25 years and has quite 331 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,240 possibly spent more time face to face 332 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,000 with him than anyone else if there is a 333 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,959 Charlie Manson Charlie Manson was 334 00:15:21,959 --> 00:15:23,880 probably created first time he went into 335 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,279 those boys homes that kid went through 336 00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:28,120 some hell in there and some of the 337 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,680 things that he told me he'll never admit 338 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,800 to being raped by men or anything like 339 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,279 that that's just one thing he just don't 340 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:38,279 do he just don't that puts you in a 341 00:15:38,279 --> 00:15:40,199 whole different 342 00:15:40,199 --> 00:15:42,639 mindset it's about life or death where 343 00:15:42,639 --> 00:15:45,240 he's at life or 344 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,480 death I've only been outside a couple 345 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,160 years when I got this case here you 346 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,600 figure that if you go lock up in reform 347 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,680 school and you're 9 years old and you 348 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,720 don't get out until you're 20 in your 349 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,880 brain you're still 9 years old on the 350 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,279 outside can you see 351 00:16:04,279 --> 00:16:07,519 that he doesn't trust nobody he doesn't 352 00:16:07,519 --> 00:16:10,519 even trust me up until this day as long 353 00:16:10,519 --> 00:16:12,000 as I can tell you that I've known him 354 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,440 and interacted with him as a pen pal 355 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,759 visited him in jail talk to him on the 356 00:16:16,759 --> 00:16:21,199 telephone for some 25 years now he don't 357 00:16:21,199 --> 00:16:24,680 trust me as far as he can 358 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,079 spit anyone that helps me is helping 359 00:16:30,079 --> 00:16:32,319 themselves and I don't get much help 360 00:16:32,319 --> 00:16:35,199 because there ain't nobody there so it's 361 00:16:35,199 --> 00:16:37,560 like everybody that's using me they're 362 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,000 not helping me they're just riding on 363 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,480 me police records reflect that by the 364 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,920 time Charles Manson was 24 years old he' 365 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,720 been arrested more than 30 times among 366 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,480 his numerous offenses he'd been caught 367 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,560 driving stolen cars across state lines 368 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,560 broken his probation escaped from a 369 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,440 federal prison was convicted of check 370 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,639 forgery maale theft and even pimping the 371 00:16:58,639 --> 00:17:01,959 first first time I visited him he walked 372 00:17:01,959 --> 00:17:04,240 out of the back it was just prison was 373 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,039 just radiating off of him he's prison 374 00:17:08,039 --> 00:17:10,640 he's not from your world in my normal 375 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,559 World out here those like George Stimson 376 00:17:13,559 --> 00:17:15,520 whove spent time visiting Charles Manson 377 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,600 in person insists that his view of the 378 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,439 world is defined by his life in prison 379 00:17:20,439 --> 00:17:22,039 prison is a 380 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:26,039 mind the mind is prison that's why they 381 00:17:26,039 --> 00:17:28,319 haven't been able to break me because 382 00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:32,559 there's no a thing they're in a fantasy 383 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:34,919 they don't have a 384 00:17:34,919 --> 00:17:38,120 reality I've met him and I've talked to 385 00:17:38,120 --> 00:17:40,760 him a lot and I've looked in his 386 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,520 eyes he said himself if he was guilty of 387 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,039 anything he wouldn't have made it 388 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:47,919 through this long you can feel people 389 00:17:47,919 --> 00:17:49,640 you know truth 390 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,160 tellers you feel them right away and you 391 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,120 want to be around him he's not lying 392 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:56,400 about 393 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,159 nothing most of the people people in 394 00:17:59,159 --> 00:18:00,840 here are just your Reflections they're 395 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:01,600 your 396 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,280 mistakes as a collective 397 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,720 Society leading up to the summer of 1967 398 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,280 Charles Manson was in Los Angeles 399 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,039 serving time for check forgery in a 400 00:18:12,039 --> 00:18:15,919 federal prison called terminal 401 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,120 Island 2 years before the murder spree 402 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:24,080 Phil kman was arrested trying to smuggle 403 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,440 marijuana into the US from Mexico he 404 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,360 ended up in prison alongside Charles man 405 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:31,720 I got arrested in in Tucson Arizona I 406 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,640 got to terminal Island and I had just 407 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,960 gone through Theo admission and 408 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,880 orientation and before I was allowed out 409 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,520 in the yard there's this guy with a 410 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,440 guitar being in prison and and you you 411 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,240 got to be careful who you associate with 412 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,520 and Charlie was a good guy to hang out 413 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,240 with because he didn't give a and 414 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,080 uh and he played music Phil Kaufman knew 415 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,280 Manson on the inside before anyone ever 416 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,440 Associated the name Charles Manson with 417 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,080 the devil incarnate Kaufman calls the 418 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,240 man he called Charlie as a laid-back 419 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,600 inmate fully comfortable in prison life 420 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,320 to the point that he was completely 421 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,480 unwilling to reform if you get five 422 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,880 years in a feral Penitentiary and they 423 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,600 don't give you any incentive you just do 424 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,640 five years and you're uncontrollable but 425 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,080 when you're sentenced and they give you 426 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,559 good time so a 5year sentence may be 427 00:19:17,559 --> 00:19:20,159 only 40 months but Charlie didn't do 428 00:19:20,159 --> 00:19:22,159 that he did all the time he didn't 429 00:19:22,159 --> 00:19:24,480 program you they got 5 years Charlie did 430 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,799 5 years he was playing his guitar and I 431 00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:29,480 said this guy sounds good so so a guard 432 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,320 comes up to him and says Manson you 433 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:32,640 ain't never going to get out of here 434 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,080 Charlie just kept playing his guitar and 435 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,120 said out don't where man and just kept 436 00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:40,640 going I was a federal prisoner dead when 437 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,960 I got out of terminal Island can you 438 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,159 understand that it was like I have 439 00:19:47,159 --> 00:19:51,760 played that game and won every pocket 440 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,799 Manson's release paperwork from terminal 441 00:19:53,799 --> 00:19:56,760 island is dated March 21st 442 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,400 1967 Vietnam was at the Forefront of the 443 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,280 American Consciousness and a large 444 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:02,919 segment of the male population was 445 00:20:02,919 --> 00:20:05,880 either at war or School many of the 446 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,679 women Left Behind were embracing what 447 00:20:07,679 --> 00:20:10,400 would become known as The Summer of Love 448 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,080 there was a lot of runaways at the time 449 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,760 and a lot of people disenchanted with 450 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,480 the the status quo and they were easy 451 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,559 marks you know especially up in San 452 00:20:18,559 --> 00:20:21,280 Francisco man you know the acid and the 453 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,120 pot and everything they were looking for 454 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:25,720 love and Charlie was you know selling at 455 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,480 wholesale this is when it's been 456 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,600 reported that Charles mans formed a cult 457 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,200 called the Manson family how did he 458 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,240 transition from a chronic Petty criminal 459 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,320 to a psychotic villain capable of Mind 460 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,840 Control until this point in his life he' 461 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,919 never been charged with a violent crime 462 00:20:40,919 --> 00:20:42,840 and no one had ever described him as a 463 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,400 guru or spiritual leader so something 464 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,120 had to change in the summer of 465 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,600 1967 it's 466 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,520 run when I get out of prison I run till 467 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,679 I'm back in prison 468 00:21:03,679 --> 00:21:06,320 again according to Manson right after 469 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:07,960 prison he spent the first year going 470 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,679 back and forth between hate ashbery and 471 00:21:09,679 --> 00:21:12,039 San Francisco into panga Canyon in Los 472 00:21:12,039 --> 00:21:14,440 Angeles I went to Frisco and I talking 473 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,080 to this supposedly great holy guy you 474 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,400 dig and he's telling me when you can sit 475 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,120 and be uh comfortable and at peace with 476 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:24,760 yourself that you're just in harmony so 477 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,080 now check this out I figured a lot of 478 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,640 things out I fig it would be easier not 479 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,720 to understand anything and keep your 480 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,840 mind open and never make your mind up 481 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,600 about 482 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,360 nothing Charles Manson's mix of 60s 483 00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:42,559 culture and prison jargon attracted 484 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:44,840 young women communes were abundant in 485 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,039 California in 1967 this is when Manson 486 00:21:48,039 --> 00:21:49,559 met the first two members of what would 487 00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:52,120 become known as the Manson family Mary 488 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:54,279 Bruner who would later give birth to his 489 00:21:54,279 --> 00:21:57,039 child and Lynette from better known as 490 00:21:57,039 --> 00:22:00,039 squeaky 491 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,440 remember these weren't Ordinary People 492 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,600 and I get upset with the historians that 493 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,480 refer to this group as uh hippies they 494 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,520 weren't hippies hippies were flower 495 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,960 children they believed in Make Love Not 496 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,720 War the family referred to themselves as 497 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,279 slippies they said they were going to 498 00:22:19,279 --> 00:22:21,679 slip under the awareness of society they 499 00:22:21,679 --> 00:22:25,679 were very violent it was a religious 500 00:22:25,679 --> 00:22:29,039 cult at trial the prosecution stated 501 00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:30,600 that the family was nothing more than a 502 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,400 closely knit band of Vagabond robots who 503 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,760 are slavishly obedient to one man and 504 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,760 one man only their Master their leader 505 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,679 their God Charles 506 00:22:40,679 --> 00:22:43,120 Manson one member of the group was 507 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:44,960 Katherine Gillies she adopted the 508 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,720 nickname Capistrano or Kappy for short 509 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,480 after she fell in with Manson in the 510 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,520 spring of 1968 man that look real 511 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,360 okay we were trying to step out of 512 00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:57,480 society is what we're trying to do we 513 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,400 didn't have stabbing prce on Saturday 514 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,360 and hang Charlie from across and poking 515 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:03,440 with sticks on Sunday I mean none of 516 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,640 those things are real we didn't call 517 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,360 ourselves the man family that was this 518 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:11,840 press we called ourselves a family but 519 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,600 we meant that because we were brothers 520 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:14,720 and 521 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,919 sisters not because we were the family 522 00:23:18,919 --> 00:23:20,799 we were a 523 00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:23,480 family the group was made up primarily 524 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,919 of young women contrary to the common 525 00:23:25,919 --> 00:23:27,480 picture of Manson being a master 526 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,279 manipulator who recruited them and 527 00:23:29,279 --> 00:23:31,960 controlled their minds Bobby BOS related 528 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,720 that they came together much differently 529 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,279 what most people don't understand is 530 00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:38,760 that wasn't Charlie's Charisma that 531 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,000 attracted more women it was once he had 532 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,080 two women together the women attracted 533 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,240 the women women like a community of 534 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,960 women and that was the attraction in 535 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,799 that group how they came together and 536 00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:55,880 viewed themselves genuinely matters 537 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,360 because it is the first part of 538 00:23:57,360 --> 00:23:58,640 understanding whether Manson and the 539 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,360 others were a hippie commune or a 540 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:03,120 religious cult the Helter Skelter theory 541 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:04,720 was dependent upon Manson being a 542 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,720 brainwashing cult leader but the people 543 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,760 who were part of the group denied that 544 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,240 Dynamic is there another explanation for 545 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,440 their heinous acts other than Manson 546 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,360 dictating that they murder on his behalf 547 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:20,120 I never ordered nobody to do anything 548 00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:24,320 but what what they wanted to do do what 549 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,279 you want with you with me you're free 550 00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:29,520 like me I do what I want to 551 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,559 do you do what you want to 552 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:36,600 do be careful with this phone call and 553 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,159 don't use it to cause any more 554 00:24:40,159 --> 00:24:42,360 persecution to my 555 00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:44,200 friends my 556 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,080 family peace I gotta go with my phone 557 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,559 time is 558 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,799 up the media has characterized the women 559 00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:00,480 who participated in the murders as 560 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,080 middle class and virtuous they have been 561 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,520 described as Girl Scouts good students 562 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,360 or Sunday school teachers that man had 563 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:09,919 transformed into serial killers why 564 00:25:09,919 --> 00:25:11,640 would young women with good backgrounds 565 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,000 leave their homes to live with an 566 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,559 ex-convict who just wanted Sex and 567 00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:19,720 Death Leslie van hton was 19 when she 568 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,120 met Charles Manson The Following Summer 569 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:24,000 she joined two others in the slaughter 570 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,360 of Leno and rosemary lanca the problem 571 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:29,120 people have is how can you go from a 572 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:31,799 homecoming queen to being a 573 00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:35,240 Manson follower her childhood was really 574 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,840 good until her parents got divorced back 575 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,200 then it was very different than it is 576 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,080 now it was a big social stigma she ended 577 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,679 up with the druggie kids and the less 578 00:25:44,679 --> 00:25:46,799 desirables and she started using drugs 579 00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:49,200 at that 580 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,000 time she got pregnant um her mother 581 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,399 pretty much pressured into having an 582 00:25:54,399 --> 00:25:56,679 illegal abortion in the home and they 583 00:25:56,679 --> 00:25:58,880 buried the fetus in the backyard 584 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,320 and uh that's something she couldn't get 585 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,600 away from and then after that the drug 586 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,919 use escalated she was looking for 587 00:26:04,919 --> 00:26:07,640 spiritual leader and she had already 588 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,960 left home and went out on the road and 589 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,840 Bobby takes her to meet Charlie I think 590 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,000 it might have bothered him that she 591 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,200 would challenge him she and Pat were 592 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,960 really the only two that would Patricia 593 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,279 Ken Winkle named Katie was with Leslie 594 00:26:20,279 --> 00:26:22,039 van hton the night they killed the 595 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:24,840 lancas Ken wikl also participated in the 596 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,440 Sharon Tate Murders At parole hearings 597 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,279 she's described that her sister was a 598 00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:31,240 drug addict who died from an overdose at 599 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,200 the age of 29 before her death she 600 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,520 introduced Patricia to drinking drugs 601 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,320 and alcohol when Ken Winkle met Manson 602 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,799 she was 19 she left home to live with 603 00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:44,559 her heroin addicted sister in Venice 604 00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:46,720 California one of the most infamous 605 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,200 murderers was Susan Atkins who took the 606 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,679 nickname Sadie she brutally murdered 607 00:26:51,679 --> 00:26:53,799 Sharon Tate and used her blood to write 608 00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:56,880 pig on a door Susan Atkins had a 609 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,440 terrible childhood she was abandoned by 610 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,279 her parents she was molested when Susan 611 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:05,399 Atkins was 15 her mother died from 612 00:27:05,399 --> 00:27:07,760 cancer sending her home life into a 613 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,320 spiral when Atkins met Charles Manson 614 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,120 she' already worked as a topple stancer 615 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:14,200 been arrested for car theft stolen 616 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,799 property and was a heavy drug user I 617 00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:18,799 used to think that you came down off an 618 00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:21,760 ass a trip after 12 hours and every time 619 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,360 you drop acid you get a little bit 620 00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:28,600 further away from reality s is pretty uh 621 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,919 she me 622 00:27:30,919 --> 00:27:34,640 actually me is all there is there's 623 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,120 nobody but 624 00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:40,240 you I took so much asset that I just was 625 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,039 what I would turn space and it took me 626 00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:47,360 many years to what I term now reenter 627 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:49,679 and that was just through not having any 628 00:27:49,679 --> 00:27:51,640 asset and having to deal with reality 629 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,919 every 630 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,120 day if these women were not perfect 631 00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,000 young women plucked from society and 632 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,399 corrupted solely by Charles Manson did 633 00:28:01,399 --> 00:28:03,559 he actually brainwash them or were they 634 00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:06,039 working alongside him in a common 635 00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:08,519 motive what was life like inside the 636 00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:10,440 so-called Manson family the year leading 637 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,799 up to the 638 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,760 murders when you ask Charles Manson 639 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,159 about life in the group before the 640 00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:25,240 murders he talked about sex everybody 641 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,279 walk around naked would all get together 642 00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:30,360 and just have a big bang man I lived 643 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:32,960 with him for almost a month and he say 644 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,640 you know everybody has to make love it's 645 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,960 love you know he spread the love you 646 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,080 know yeah it was like sex on 647 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,200 demand when you're inside you have 648 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,440 nothing and all of a sudden he's 649 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,039 out he said it was a prisoners dream 650 00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:49,320 come 651 00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:51,799 true another member of the group was 652 00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:53,799 Barbara hoit who like many of the others 653 00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:56,240 was 17 when she ran away from home after 654 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,640 an argument with her father I met 655 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,120 squeaky Sandy was 656 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,279 pregnant Sadie talked about the 657 00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:08,240 hypocrisies of life if Manson had found 658 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,519 the dream life of an ex-convict why 659 00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:12,399 would he indoctrinate them to murder 660 00:29:12,399 --> 00:29:14,840 people these murders did not happen 661 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,240 because there was going to be an 662 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,960 apocalyptic race war that's not why this 663 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,120 happened the victims weren't chosen at 664 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,120 random Brian Davis has spent more than a 665 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,880 decade speaking to anyone involved in 666 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,480 the events surrounding the murders on 667 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,440 his online radio show from his Viewpoint 668 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,000 the key to understanding what happened 669 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,760 is Charles Tex Watson because he was the 670 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,120 person that actually led the murder 671 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,480 parties on both nights and killed more 672 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:43,640 than anyone else J was perfect a soldier 673 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,039 a solder who in service his 674 00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:53,039 rightous real is no in between at trial 675 00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:55,600 Vincent bugliosi said Manson had total 676 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,039 and complete domination over his family 677 00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:01,200 including the actual killer Tex Watson 678 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,000 how did Tex Watson come to be with 679 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,480 Manson and perhaps fall under his 680 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,320 control Brian Davis recounts that in 681 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,240 1967 Watson left Northern Texas to live 682 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,240 with a friend in Los Angeles finding a 683 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,200 part-time job at a Hollywood wig shop I 684 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,039 talked with the guy that worked with Tex 685 00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:21,519 he said Tex was an All-American boy 686 00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:24,480 after about a year Tech started to hang 687 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,480 out at parties and smoke marijuana start 688 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,159 to experiment went with drugs and grew 689 00:30:29,159 --> 00:30:31,880 his hair out a little bit and at that 690 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,440 point he said Tech started to turn so 691 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,679 all this was going on leading up before 692 00:30:37,679 --> 00:30:39,120 Tex ever met 693 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,120 Charlie Tex Watson met Charles Manson 694 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,760 when he was invited to attend a 695 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,480 never-ending party that was being held 696 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,000 at a Pacific Palisades Mansion the house 697 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,480 was owned by the drummer of The Beach 698 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,799 Boys Dennis Wilson Charley crosses over 699 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:55,600 into that through the girls Pat and El 700 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,960 Joe Bailey were out hitchhiking and 701 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,039 Dennis Wilson picked him up the Beach 702 00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:03,159 Boys 15th studio album 2020 features a 703 00:31:03,159 --> 00:31:05,440 song co-written by Charles Manson called 704 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,279 never learn not to love during that time 705 00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:09,919 Manson befriended a record producer 706 00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:14,679 through Dennis Wilson named Terry meler 707 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,320 and he had known one of the Beach Boys 708 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,440 when he met Charles Manson Terry meler 709 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,880 lived on cello Drive in the same house 710 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,440 that was later rented to film director 711 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,799 Roman palansky and his movie star wife 712 00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:44,679 Sharon 713 00:31:44,679 --> 00:31:47,360 Tate this is a direct connection between 714 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,399 Manson and the Tate 715 00:31:49,399 --> 00:31:51,919 murders prosecutors claim that Manson 716 00:31:51,919 --> 00:31:54,200 was an ambitious musician who aspired to 717 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,279 be like the Beatles And The Beach Boys 718 00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:58,440 so Dennis Wilson introduced to Terry 719 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,760 meler but meler rejected him when Manson 720 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,600 decided to begin a race war by killing 721 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,480 random white people he chose Terry 722 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,639 melcher's House according to the 723 00:32:07,639 --> 00:32:09,720 prosecution the residence was symbolic 724 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,559 to Charles Manson and particularly the 725 00:32:11,559 --> 00:32:14,360 establishment's rejection of him Phil 726 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,240 Kaufman worked in the music industry and 727 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,880 recorded Charles Manson shortly before 728 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,519 the murders took 729 00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:22,120 place this is an audio recording from 730 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,639 1970 made as part of the 731 00:32:24,639 --> 00:32:26,840 investigation up to this point he had 732 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,360 recorded at very 733 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,000 Studios and being as transcent as he was 734 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,480 he never stayed around long enough in 735 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,760 order to consumate a record deal so 736 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,320 every time he recorded no one could ever 737 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,799 release his music because he had never 738 00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:41,320 signed any 739 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,279 contract CU she had a good thing going 740 00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:45,240 for him you know money wasn't even 741 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:46,600 involved in anything you didn't have to 742 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,039 earn a living had girls coming out and 743 00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:51,080 getting them food he was having sex he 744 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,600 you playing his music you know life was 745 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,880 good for him I could have been a rock 746 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,600 and roll star I could have been a movie 747 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,519 star that's a slow down I don't want a 748 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:02,320 job you know I'd rather have a 749 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,600 bite of wine on the beach and be free as 750 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,399 a dog looking for for a place to sleep 751 00:33:07,399 --> 00:33:09,919 under the bridge rather than go to work 752 00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:12,000 I was trying to get away from 753 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,440 civilization if Manson wasn't rejected 754 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,679 by the music industry and Mel's house 755 00:33:16,679 --> 00:33:18,440 didn't represent the establishment to 756 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,720 him then what was the real reason for 757 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,720 Tex Watson taking three women over to 758 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,519 Terry Mel's house and killing five 759 00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:26,799 people we put this question to Charles 760 00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:28,799 Manson directly 761 00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:31,480 pix wasn't wrong understand what I'm 762 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,039 saying pix had to do what he had to 763 00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:38,720 do and he said that he didn't say I 764 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,320 going to do a damn 765 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,600 thing they say the girl said 766 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,200 it the girl didn't say it she said 767 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,559 Charlie told me go do what takes here 768 00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:57,440 you know why the dis attorney put the 769 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,840 race SW on me you have 30 seconds 770 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,559 remaining you got the whole damn 771 00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:05,430 planet against 772 00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:10,240 me Charles Manson's answers are not 773 00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:12,200 always straightforward but the missing 774 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,159 Factor may be the song Charles Manson 775 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:17,200 contributed to the Beach 776 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,760 Boys Charlie was told that he would be 777 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,399 compensated for the use of the song and 778 00:34:30,399 --> 00:34:32,720 the amount that he was told was $5,000 779 00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:34,040 now he didn't care so much about the 780 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,679 money if you're in prison and you owe 781 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,440 somebody and you give your word and you 782 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,359 don't keep your word then uh you know 783 00:34:40,359 --> 00:34:42,800 that's a justification for you know for 784 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,679 being killed so he sent text to kill 785 00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:49,040 Terry not a house full of five people 786 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,879 see that's what's so critical here he 787 00:34:50,879 --> 00:34:55,000 wasn't picking a houseful of innocent 788 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,040 people he was taking fa notion and the 789 00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,480 people that were there were the ones 790 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,920 that took the blood of what T Watson BL 791 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,050 that 792 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,079 night Charles Manson seeking retaliation 793 00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:10,359 on Terry mure for breaking his word 794 00:35:10,359 --> 00:35:12,040 contradicts the motive laid out by the 795 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,400 prosecution because it changes Manson's 796 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,240 intent from starting a race war to 797 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:19,160 Vengeance according to the Helter 798 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,320 Skelter Theory Charles Manson planned to 799 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,400 inspire race War by killing affluent 800 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,880 whites so he sent his followers to Terry 801 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,920 melcher's house during the war Manson 802 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,359 would hide with his followers in a 803 00:35:30,359 --> 00:35:33,079 secret cave located in Death Valley 804 00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:35,359 afterwards they would emerge and Manson 805 00:35:35,359 --> 00:35:37,720 would lead the Victorious black Army 806 00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:40,760 when members joined the family he was 807 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,320 telling him how Adolf Hitler was his 808 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,720 hero for what Hitler did to Jews in 809 00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:48,440 World War II he was a follower of 810 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,640 nii um and you know just sick 811 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,280 stuff some have proposed that the 812 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,079 prosecution made up the Helter Skelter 813 00:35:57,079 --> 00:35:59,319 Theory in order to more easily convict 814 00:35:59,319 --> 00:36:00,480 Charles Manson through a 815 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,640 sensationalistic conspiracy 816 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,000 narrative another theory exists which 817 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,839 some believe can explain the murders 818 00:36:06,839 --> 00:36:09,400 without the race war motive I'm not 819 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,800 supporting Charlie Manson at all I'm 820 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,079 supporting more of the truth if the 821 00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:15,920 prosecution did construct the Helter 822 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,119 Skelter theory is convicting a man like 823 00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:20,720 Charles Manson so essential that any 824 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:23,359 means of achieving it is acceptable it's 825 00:36:23,359 --> 00:36:27,079 not about proving Charlie innocent even 826 00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:29,160 if it's Charlie Manson the law has to 827 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:34,240 work for everybody this thing is so 828 00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:37,839 bad I don't know what you 829 00:36:37,839 --> 00:36:41,480 can accept 830 00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:45,920 it get out of my 831 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,680 house another theory proposes that the 832 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,680 murders were the culmination of events 833 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,119 centered around Charles Manson Charles 834 00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:55,079 Manson had been released from prison and 835 00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:57,839 had formed a commune of Lost Souls for 836 00:36:57,839 --> 00:36:59,640 several months before the murders the 837 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,599 group had moved to a Farmstead built as 838 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:03,319 a backdrop for western movies and 839 00:37:03,319 --> 00:37:06,319 television shows called spawn Ranch I 840 00:37:06,319 --> 00:37:08,839 never realized it but the reason the 841 00:37:08,839 --> 00:37:11,280 ranch was so cool was that nobody ever 842 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,480 lied to each other man we all got along 843 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,599 with each other man everybody was 844 00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:18,960 straight up you know there was no 845 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,319 we had a pretty nice little 846 00:37:21,319 --> 00:37:23,960 group of people 847 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,040 there when I went to the ranch 848 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,520 I felt uh it was just 849 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,960 a most mellow place I'd ever been there 850 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,920 was no Ambitions it's a lot different 851 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,880 than what the media might 852 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,000 portray the ranch was owned by an 853 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,920 80-year-old blind man named George spawn 854 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,480 who lived in the main house which was 855 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,160 located there the ranch burned down in 856 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,800 1971 but at the time extended along the 857 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,200 Santa Susanna pass isolated by the hills 858 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,440 overlooking the San Fernando Valley 859 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,160 Charlie told squeaky to you 860 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,760 know take care of George so that they 861 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,680 could stay at the ranch and she did she 862 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,720 didn't like having sex with other men 863 00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:12,000 and that's why she got into that for 864 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,440 Charlie she took care of George and that 865 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,560 became her thing she wanted to only have 866 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,240 sex with Charlie and so uh she put 867 00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:21,920 herself in that position where she 868 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,599 didn't have to have sex with anybody but 869 00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:26,839 Charlie she was a caretaker she loved 870 00:38:26,839 --> 00:38:28,000 him 871 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,560 I think he wanted George to will the 872 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,960 ranch to 873 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,119 squeaky records reflect that while 874 00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:37,319 living at spawn Ranch Tex Watson was 875 00:38:37,319 --> 00:38:39,599 arrested on a drug charge in April of 876 00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:43,040 1969 3 months before the murders it was 877 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,160 business for Tex you know he partook and 878 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,880 he sold that's how he made a lot of his 879 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,240 money you go back before the murders Tex 880 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:52,200 has got the history for dealing drugs 881 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,800 and making drug deals and you know 882 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,960 that's what Tex 883 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,800 does don't in this 884 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,440 France anything other than that you do 885 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:02,960 anything you want 886 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,079 here still Hur 887 00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:09,440 nobody this is the connections this is 888 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,560 where it all connects Tex Watson had a 889 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,920 dope dealer Tex Watson describes a dope 890 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,520 dealer in his book as a mafia connected 891 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,040 guy who owned a vending machine company 892 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,839 that he used as a front for his dope 893 00:39:24,839 --> 00:39:27,560 business episodes like that happened 894 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,960 every day in the drug 895 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,240 World on July 1st Tex Watson spoke with 896 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,040 his vending machine Dope Dealer who was 897 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,720 looking to sell 25 kilos of marijuana 898 00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:39,079 for 899 00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:41,280 $2,500 Watson didn't have that kind of 900 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,839 money so he called his girlfriend in the 901 00:39:42,839 --> 00:39:45,079 city she introduced him to another drug 902 00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:47,040 dealer named Bernard Crowe who was 903 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,560 thought to be associated with the Black 904 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,079 Panthers it was then that Watson came up 905 00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:56,000 with a scam he would buy 25 kilos from 906 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,119 his dealer then sell 22 kilos to Crow at 907 00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:01,400 a markup for 908 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,640 $2,750 that way Watson could buy the 909 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,359 drugs from the dealer and deliver what 910 00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:07,520 he promised to Bernard Crow all the 911 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,040 while keeping the difference in money 912 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,480 and drugs for himself and his 913 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,680 girlfriend to make that work neither of 914 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,920 the drug dealers could meet so Tex 915 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,000 Watson planned to have Bernard Crow pay 916 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,839 up 917 00:40:20,839 --> 00:40:24,640 front say if you do all the Talking you 918 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,560 got to be all the right 919 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,560 everything up when the time came 920 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,359 Crow wouldn't hand over his money to a 921 00:40:34,359 --> 00:40:36,720 hippie he didn't know so he kept text 922 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:38,880 Watson's girlfriend as collateral while 923 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,760 Watson went to pick up the drugs when 924 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,160 this complication arose Watson burned 925 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,280 them both he just promised to deal some 926 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,160 drugs for him and took the money and 927 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,680 around what happened was text me to deal 928 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,520 with him evidently and then 929 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,319 bumed out on the deal we didn't get 930 00:40:55,319 --> 00:40:56,680 anything out of it it had nothing to do 931 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,160 with us it was all about Tex trust 932 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,400 me after that an enraged Bernard Crow 933 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,520 set out to find the man he knew as 934 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,520 Charlie Watson when crow called the 935 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,440 ranch and asked for Charlie meaning 936 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,359 Charles Watson TJ got Charlie Manson on 937 00:41:11,359 --> 00:41:14,040 the phone because he knew Watson is text 938 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,480 I want my money and when Crow said I 939 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,599 want my money and I'm coming up to the 940 00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:19,640 ranch to burn the place down and rape 941 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,400 all the girls there Charlie said no 942 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,599 you're not I'll come down and talk to 943 00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:25,079 you about it the deal drugs you got to 944 00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:28,000 be real that's underworld underworld 945 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,640 means anybody can take that away from 946 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:30,960 you and there's nothing the law is going 947 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,400 to do about it before the cops catch 948 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,880 drug dealers drug dealers catch drug 949 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,359 dealers he was worried about us getting 950 00:41:39,359 --> 00:41:41,960 killed we had babies there and all kinds 951 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,720 of stuff and all these like young people 952 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:47,640 okay and they they were trying to kill 953 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,319 us and that's why Charlie went 954 00:41:50,319 --> 00:41:53,200 Bernard to stop him before he killed 955 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,200 somebody 956 00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:00,359 Bernard Crow had Tex Watson's girlfriend 957 00:42:00,359 --> 00:42:01,160 tied 958 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,280 up and I guess words were exchanged and 959 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,119 Charlie pulled out the gun and shot him 960 00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:11,560 yeah yeah I shot 961 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,920 the she said that Bernard was gonna kill 962 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,520 her so we went down to help 963 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,720 her and ended up shooting him to help 964 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:25,040 her Berard Crow didn't give him a chance 965 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,680 he had to shoot him or he was going to 966 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,359 get shot and Bernard cro just said you 967 00:42:28,359 --> 00:42:31,559 better shoot me now right here do it you 968 00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:34,319 know and so I shot 969 00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:37,920 him Bernard Crow survived this shooting 970 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,960 although his Manson often detailed He 971 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,160 was unaware of this differ the underw 972 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,839 and being righteous with the underworld 973 00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:50,280 in other words you don't get caught off 974 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:55,940 Bay so you get tagged out to simple game 975 00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:59,319 he saw all the people that he was with 976 00:42:59,319 --> 00:43:01,640 his just children they were weak they 977 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:02,960 wouldn't they wouldn't know how to hold 978 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,319 their mud and rather than try to 979 00:43:05,319 --> 00:43:07,760 convince them that they should he just 980 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,640 manipulated them to try to make them so 981 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,280 complicit and violent crimes that they 982 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,260 would not snitch 983 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,640 on in the alternative Theory Charles 984 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,440 Manson shooting Bernard Crow left him 985 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,480 with two problems first he had to be 986 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,280 sure no one in the commune would talk to 987 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,640 the police so he planned to encourage 988 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,319 them to commit violent crimes for the 989 00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:33,559 group just like he had done Manson's 990 00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:35,240 second problem was that he believed the 991 00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:37,280 Black Panthers would retaliate for the 992 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,160 shooting something he told the members 993 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,319 of the group he was very worried about 994 00:43:41,319 --> 00:43:43,480 the Black Panthers attacking the 995 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,559 ranch I heard Charlie was recruiting the 996 00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:50,160 straight satans to be guards to protect 997 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,880 the commune and himself from the Black 998 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,400 Panthers Manson enlisted a motorcycle 999 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,599 club called the straight satans 1000 00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:00,000 in this audio recording from the LAPD 1001 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,880 former straight Satan's president Al 1002 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,280 Springer described their Arrangement 1003 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,480 Char wait a minute he says uh maybe I 1004 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:07,640 can give you a better thing than you got 1005 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,720 already I said what's that he says move 1006 00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:10,839 up here you can have all the girls you 1007 00:44:10,839 --> 00:44:14,240 want all the girls he says they're all 1008 00:44:14,319 --> 00:44:16,920 yours 3 days after the Bernard Crow 1009 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,319 Shooting Linda caban arrived at spawn 1010 00:44:19,319 --> 00:44:21,800 Ranch for the first time she was a nice 1011 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,599 girl who was looking for I don't know if 1012 00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:27,119 she was looking for Jesus she was just 1013 00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:28,960 looking for life and looking for what 1014 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,960 was real and what 1015 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,720 wasn't you don't find too many 1016 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:38,880 women stand up any kind of fight Lind 1017 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,480 cian's account of this time is critical 1018 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,200 because she is one of the four directly 1019 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,079 involved with the Sharon tape murders 1020 00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:46,559 and only spent a month with Charles 1021 00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:49,400 Manson and the group when she was later 1022 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,280 arrested she gave her first account of 1023 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,280 what happened to her lawyer Gary 1024 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,160 fleschman I heard her version of it the 1025 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,559 first night they brought brought her 1026 00:44:57,559 --> 00:45:00,319 back none of it made any sense that 1027 00:45:00,319 --> 00:45:03,000 that's the problem it was nonsensical 1028 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,000 and that's where Vince came up with a 1029 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,280 Helter Skelter Theory but I never heard 1030 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,160 that theory During the period I was 1031 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,280 representing her she didn't know 1032 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:14,440 anything about 1033 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,280 her days after the Bernard Crow Shooting 1034 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,359 Bobby bosay committed the first murder 1035 00:45:20,359 --> 00:45:22,640 the prosecution said that Manson needed 1036 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,760 money but the specifics of this motive 1037 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,960 were never fully explained only 1038 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,960 generally tied to Manson's preparation 1039 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:33,079 for a race war Manson wanted money he 1040 00:45:33,079 --> 00:45:34,720 wanted money because he was preparing 1041 00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:37,680 for the the revolution the prosecution 1042 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,240 contended that Manson sent Bobby BOS and 1043 00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:43,040 two women Mary Bruner and Susan Atkins 1044 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,480 to the home of an acquaintance named 1045 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,240 Gary Hinman their orders were supposedly 1046 00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:49,040 to retrieve money from Henman and kill 1047 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,599 him if he refused it's all 1048 00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:55,200 crap you have to look at you just have 1049 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,720 to look at it 1050 00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:00,040 nobody sent me over to to recruit G to 1051 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,400 the family he was as much a part of the 1052 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,319 so-called family as I was and he wasn't 1053 00:46:04,319 --> 00:46:07,079 a part of the family Bobby BOS contends 1054 00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:08,839 that in the aftermath of the Bernard 1055 00:46:08,839 --> 00:46:10,760 Crow Shooting Manson's arrangement with 1056 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,319 the biker gang meant that they were 1057 00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:15,400 constant Presence at the ranch two weeks 1058 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,599 before the Sharon tape murders bosay 1059 00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:19,160 said the straight satans were looking 1060 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,319 for drugs so he offered to sell the 1061 00:46:21,319 --> 00:46:23,160 mcllin that he could get from his former 1062 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,319 roommate Gary Hinman bosle maintains 1063 00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:27,839 that the straight satans demanded their 1064 00:46:27,839 --> 00:46:29,800 money back the next day claiming the 1065 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,160 drugs were 1066 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,280 bad I don't really believe you know I 1067 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,680 think they were tried to get the drugs 1068 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,599 for free and they were playing for a 1069 00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:40,760 second it wasn't any you know bad drugs 1070 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:45,880 or anything like that person was strong 1071 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,760 individual yeah he was in trouble with 1072 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,640 motorcycle and we would dealing and 1073 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:59,000 underworld man that's what motorcycle 1074 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,280 gangs 1075 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:05,119 do you know know the strongest 1076 00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:08,319 survive there is a property 1077 00:47:08,319 --> 00:47:11,040 report of Gary Henman and in that 1078 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,480 property report they list a homemade 1079 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,800 scales with a white powder they didn't 1080 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,440 test it for masculine so we don't know 1081 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,400 if it was or not to me that's evidence 1082 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,359 with the straight Satan's threat looming 1083 00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:27,200 Bobby bosay claims he went to Gary 1084 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,720 hinman's house to retrieve the money 1085 00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:30,559 from the drug deal and return it to the 1086 00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:33,000 biker gang I went there for one thing 1087 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,200 and that was to collect the money 1088 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,760 because they asked to come along Mary 1089 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,520 you know had a relationship with with 1090 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,760 jary and I don't know why Susan Atkins 1091 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,760 has to come along now I didn't see any 1092 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,520 problem going there I fig it was going 1093 00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,200 to be no problem get get the money back 1094 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,200 and you know and come back and give it 1095 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,920 to him and going to be done as recalled 1096 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,359 by Bobby bosay when Gary Henman refused 1097 00:47:55,359 --> 00:47:57,359 to return the money the confront ation 1098 00:47:57,359 --> 00:47:59,680 escalated along with Mary Bruner and 1099 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,920 Susan Atkins bosay stayed at the house 1100 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,960 for 2 days thinking he could reason with 1101 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,800 himman to give up the money they 1102 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,280 wrestled over a gun which went off but 1103 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,520 no one was hit during the confrontation 1104 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,880 someone called The Ranch to ask for help 1105 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,720 Bobby bosay gained the upper hand and 1106 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:17,480 made Hinman sign over his cars we had 1107 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,280 these two old old recks and they were I 1108 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,319 figured between the two of them they 1109 00:48:22,319 --> 00:48:25,160 were worth maybe a grand you know the 1110 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,760 grand that they were saying I owed the 1111 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,240 with the pink slips in hand they 1112 00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:31,119 prepared to leave but before they could 1113 00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:33,359 get out the door Manson unexpectedly 1114 00:48:33,359 --> 00:48:35,520 rushed in with a sword and cut hman 1115 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,839 across the face Charlie clashed his face 1116 00:48:37,839 --> 00:48:39,720 and left me with the problem I didn't I 1117 00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:41,839 know how to get out of it you know I 1118 00:48:41,839 --> 00:48:43,880 didn't know how to get away without 1119 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,119 getting 1120 00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:49,920 arrested must I killed 1121 00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:56,920 him after Gary hinman's death someone 1122 00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,160 wrote on the walls in henman's 1123 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,640 blood to be honest with you I don't 1124 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,280 remember a lot that happened immediately 1125 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,559 after I having killed Gary that really 1126 00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:10,359 devastated me my memories of what 1127 00:49:10,359 --> 00:49:12,040 happened afterwards had never been 1128 00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:13,359 really 1129 00:49:13,359 --> 00:49:16,200 clear a black panther paw print was 1130 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,400 drawn on the wall along with the words 1131 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,559 political piggy it was in everyone's 1132 00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:23,599 mind everyone believed that Charlie had 1133 00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:25,200 killed a black panther according to what 1134 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,359 he had told everyone there was an intent 1135 00:49:28,359 --> 00:49:30,799 to try to throw the investigators off 1136 00:49:30,799 --> 00:49:33,079 the trail from this perspective Gary 1137 00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:35,079 henman's murder was directly related to 1138 00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:37,160 the Bernard Crow Shooting they staged 1139 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,799 the crime scene to frame the Black 1140 00:49:38,799 --> 00:49:41,280 Panthers because they feared retaliation 1141 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,240 at the same time Manson's intent to make 1142 00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:45,359 others complicit had been unexpectedly 1143 00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:47,160 furthered preventing them from informing 1144 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,440 the police about what Manson had done 1145 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,319 according to police records on Wednesday 1146 00:49:51,319 --> 00:49:53,480 August 6th 2 days before the Sharon tape 1147 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,760 murders Bobby bosay was arrested in one 1148 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,119 of Gary hinman's cars I was in San Diego 1149 00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:00,280 when that 1150 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,319 happened I heard he got arrested for 1151 00:50:03,319 --> 00:50:05,440 murder and I thought that the police 1152 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,720 just made it 1153 00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:09,559 up I didn't believe it I think it's 1154 00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:11,359 important to look at the timing of this 1155 00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:13,119 you're looking at these murders that 1156 00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:15,400 happened on SEO Drive in Waverly are are 1157 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,799 like two days later I think it's very 1158 00:50:17,799 --> 00:50:19,799 important that they happened then rather 1159 00:50:19,799 --> 00:50:22,760 than a month later or two weeks earlier 1160 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,880 so that indicates that they were a 1161 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,440 reaction to Bobby's arrest and the idea 1162 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,599 of getting him out of prison by 1163 00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:31,960 committing copycat murders in the 1164 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,160 alternate Theory two days after Bobby 1165 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,119 bosay was arrested the group planned to 1166 00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:37,960 commit an additional murder which turned 1167 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,559 out to be Sharon Tate and those who were 1168 00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:42,440 at her home on August 8th after this 1169 00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:43,960 murder they planed to Stage the crime 1170 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,720 scene to make it seem like Gary hinman's 1171 00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:48,319 killer was still on the loose they 1172 00:50:48,319 --> 00:50:50,480 reasoned this would compel police to let 1173 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,760 Bobby bosay go Charles Manson admitted 1174 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,319 this was their thinking he was in he was 1175 00:50:57,319 --> 00:51:01,040 in LA County Jail when see we were all 1176 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,359 in the 1177 00:51:03,359 --> 00:51:07,000 Brotherhood we were all in one 1178 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,280 family and we were helping the 1179 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,359 brother happened to be both 1180 00:51:14,359 --> 00:51:17,559 of he told other people he was trying to 1181 00:51:17,559 --> 00:51:20,920 send a message to me into the jail so 1182 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,280 that I wouldn't snitch on him to make 1183 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,559 make the police think they the wrong 1184 00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:28,280 person according to Bobby bosay this is 1185 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,280 not the entire picture but reaffirms 1186 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,359 Manson's deeper motive committing a 1187 00:51:32,359 --> 00:51:34,559 copycat murder at cello drive to free 1188 00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:36,799 bosle would make others complicit and 1189 00:51:36,799 --> 00:51:38,440 prevent them from talking to the police 1190 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,640 about the Bernard Crow murder depending 1191 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,960 on the orientation of whoever he was 1192 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,680 talking to he would say things that 1193 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,880 would support some sort of agenda that 1194 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,720 he had Manson's agenda comes full circle 1195 00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:54,520 when you consider that he still harbored 1196 00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,839 a grudge against Terry milcher for the s 1197 00:51:56,839 --> 00:51:59,680 Manson had contributed to the Beach Boys 1198 00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,319 which is why according to the alternate 1199 00:52:01,319 --> 00:52:03,760 theory on August 8th 1200 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,200 1969 2 days after Bobby Bay's arrest 1201 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,079 four members of the commute ventured out 1202 00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:11,300 to the mure 1203 00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:19,400 house I remember Charlie and tex talking 1204 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,680 off in a corner and it was like there 1205 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,040 was black around them Sadie called from 1206 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:26,720 a field phone and asked me for three 1207 00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:29,599 sets of dark clothes and Charlie asked 1208 00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:31,359 what was I doing 1209 00:52:31,359 --> 00:52:35,640 there and I told him and he told me they 1210 00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,200 already left there were people at the 1211 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,680 ranch who owed Charlie favors and he 1212 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,040 said you owe me I'm collecting do 1213 00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,680 something to get Bobby out of jail I 1214 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,440 don't care what you do but do it I gave 1215 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,160 my life for what I thought was a brother 1216 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,079 every time I do that man I always end up 1217 00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:55,839 on the short end of everything because 1218 00:52:55,839 --> 00:52:57,280 I'm I'm 1219 00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,240 stupid I I can't do school book stuff 1220 00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:03,559 I'm a stupid hillbilly is what all about 1221 00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:06,160 to I know he told Tex Watson you either 1222 00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:07,960 take care of the problem or get on the 1223 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,440 road I 1224 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,559 told 1225 00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:15,200 away you know Tex Watson could have just 1226 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,440 left the ranch and there wouldn't have 1227 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:21,400 been any T La Bianca murders T is say 1228 00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,920 that I told him to tell him 1229 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,400 anything he didn't tell nobody to do 1230 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,319 nothing he don't tell you to do anything 1231 00:53:30,319 --> 00:53:33,520 today he can convince you that that's 1232 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,880 your idea because usually it is your 1233 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,960 idea you can do what you want to do when 1234 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,400 you make up your mind and you decide 1235 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,040 that that's what you're going to 1236 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,680 do what they didn't volunteer to do was 1237 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,319 to be part of something that they didn't 1238 00:53:53,319 --> 00:53:55,680 understand which was his need to protect 1239 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,240 himself 1240 00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:59,839 he manipulated 1241 00:53:59,839 --> 00:54:03,079 them I remember when we first went 1242 00:54:03,079 --> 00:54:05,400 in one of the people said who are you 1243 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:06,960 and text said I'm the devil and I'm here 1244 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,799 to do the devil's 1245 00:54:11,319 --> 00:54:15,440 business what I saw happening in text it 1246 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:20,640 was just like seeing somebody go crazy 1247 00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:32,359 I thinkig Charles Manson's mind was in 1248 00:54:32,359 --> 00:54:34,760 control of Texas mind that 1249 00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,559 night Charlie's human too you know and 1250 00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:42,880 his mental uh powers are just as limited 1251 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,920 maybe not as limited as other humans 1252 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,680 but there was an evil force in control 1253 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,910 of Tex that night 1254 00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,760 they had died so 1255 00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,920 horribly I don't know people really 1256 00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,359 think about 1257 00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:10,599 how you know just how much they suffered 1258 00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:12,799 I mean I I I think about Sher and Tate 1259 00:55:12,799 --> 00:55:14,960 and I think she must have been insane 1260 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,920 with fear by the time they got to 1261 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,039 her what does it take to have somebody 1262 00:55:23,039 --> 00:55:26,440 tell you to go and kill people for what 1263 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,520 reason I couldn't could I couldn't 1264 00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,720 conceive what what allowed them to be 1265 00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:34,000 influenced to go down and they didn't 1266 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,559 kill people they they they would 1267 00:55:35,559 --> 00:55:37,480 butchered people and these are the 1268 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,720 people that i' you know been sleeping 1269 00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:42,359 with when Susan Atkins used Sharon 1270 00:55:42,359 --> 00:55:44,480 Tate's blood to right on the wall it 1271 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,079 appears to call back to the previous 1272 00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:48,839 murder though the police never made this 1273 00:55:48,839 --> 00:55:51,000 connection Sheriff's homicide was 1274 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,920 handling the Henman murders and two of 1275 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,119 the homicide investigators went to the 1276 00:55:57,119 --> 00:56:00,799 Tate investigators and said look we have 1277 00:56:00,799 --> 00:56:03,520 this murder of Gary Hinman and there's 1278 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,680 writing in Blood on the wall and 1279 00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,359 hinman's blood so they said we think 1280 00:56:08,359 --> 00:56:10,720 these are connected the LAPD 1281 00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:13,960 investigators sent them away said no 1282 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,440 they're not connected the prosecution 1283 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:17,880 maintained that the events of that 1284 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,799 summer were not connected and that 1285 00:56:19,799 --> 00:56:21,839 everything made sense through accepting 1286 00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:24,039 that Charles Manson led a religious cult 1287 00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:25,599 that was trying to start a race war 1288 00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:28,240 called health Skelter inspired by The 1289 00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:30,280 Beatles if they're trying to find black 1290 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:31,760 people why aren't they wri and kill 1291 00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,960 white people or like something very 1292 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,039 obvious 1293 00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:38,440 uh probably because they didn't think of 1294 00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,559 it that of course you know people would 1295 00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:42,520 connect blacks because of the Beatles 1296 00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,400 White albums some black would figure it 1297 00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,319 out and tell somebody oh well the 1298 00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:50,119 Beatles this 1299 00:56:50,119 --> 00:56:53,039 is part of the murders and seems like a 1300 00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:56,839 lot of dots to connect 1301 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,599 if members of the group killed Sharon 1302 00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:07,680 Tate and others as a copycat murder in 1303 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,119 order to free Bobby bosay then why did 1304 00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:12,440 they commit more murders the next 1305 00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,760 night the second night at the L Biancas 1306 00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,160 was to cover up the way he had done the 1307 00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,039 first night which was kill a house full 1308 00:57:20,039 --> 00:57:21,760 of people because he didn't anticipate 1309 00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,839 that he didn't realize it was going to 1310 00:57:23,839 --> 00:57:28,200 be this big thing that unfolded up there 1311 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,760 at the house of cell he didn't know that 1312 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,079 Terry moner had ran the place out and so 1313 00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:35,520 it basically turned into a 1314 00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,559 fiasco it was the weekend so he's going 1315 00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:41,000 out the next night because he's got to 1316 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,599 cover up those tapate murders because 1317 00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:44,880 that's going to be that's going to get 1318 00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,280 out and that's going to be nasty who did 1319 00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:48,559 kill those 1320 00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:51,359 people the people told you they killed 1321 00:57:51,359 --> 00:57:56,520 him they said yeah I K him on the second 1322 00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,520 night another member of the group became 1323 00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,960 complicit 19-year-old Leslie van hton 1324 00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,559 Tex was Leslie's 1325 00:58:03,559 --> 00:58:07,039 boyfriend okay at the time when Pat is 1326 00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:10,200 explaining what happened to Leslie as I 1327 00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:11,680 understand it Pat was shaken by what 1328 00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,799 she'd done but Leslie felt that she had 1329 00:58:13,799 --> 00:58:15,440 to prove herself now we're going to go 1330 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,280 out again and you know this has to be 1331 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,079 done she must have known that we're 1332 00:58:19,079 --> 00:58:22,000 doing again the line doing it for Bobby 1333 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,200 the group drove to Los vas and parked on 1334 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:25,880 the north side of an intersection on 1335 00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,760 where wly drive inside the home to the 1336 00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,799 West Was an affluent couple who owned a 1337 00:58:30,799 --> 00:58:33,039 chain of grocery stores named loo and 1338 00:58:33,039 --> 00:58:36,039 rosemary Lanka it was a place that they 1339 00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:37,799 knew they' been to Harold's house which 1340 00:58:37,799 --> 00:58:39,039 is right next 1341 00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:41,799 door this audio recording from the LA 1342 00:58:41,799 --> 00:58:43,640 district attorney shows that the house 1343 00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:45,680 next door to the L Bianca residence was 1344 00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,640 once occupied by a man named Harold true 1345 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,839 who knew Manson and the girls they 1346 00:58:50,839 --> 00:58:52,559 called and asked if they could spend the 1347 00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:55,720 night in their house and we let them 1348 00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,559 stay night and so w yeah it was a big 1349 00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:01,240 house a lot of people now how did he get 1350 00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:05,960 you have your phone number to call 1351 00:59:07,359 --> 00:59:10,400 uh well I guess maybe I gave him a 1352 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,760 map when I skipped the country Harold 1353 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,799 true gave me his passport and then when 1354 00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:19,640 I got out and I went to see Charlie I 1355 00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,559 took Harold along and Harold was a big 1356 00:59:21,559 --> 00:59:23,599 old lumpy guy and you know he thought he 1357 00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:26,280 might get laid they were camping out and 1358 00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,079 with the bus there and living in Herold 1359 00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:30,960 tr's place and the neighbors called the 1360 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,920 cops they had to leave there because the 1361 00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,079 neighbors called the cops and the 1362 00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:36,400 neighbors were the 1363 00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,920 Lanas Charlie picked people that he had 1364 00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,720 grudges against he didn't just pick 1365 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,440 people at random this adds to the 1366 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,440 alternate theory that the second night 1367 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,760 Manson continued manipulating the others 1368 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,760 but not because he would rule the world 1369 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,440 after a race war instead it was a series 1370 00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,119 of interconnected events it began with 1371 00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:57,039 the Bernard Crow shooting which led to 1372 00:59:57,039 --> 00:59:59,520 the Gary Hinman murder and Bobby Bose's 1373 00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,640 arrest which culminated in the Sharon 1374 01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,920 Tate and Lanka murders making a 1375 01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:05,680 significant amount of the commune 1376 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,760 complicit in satisfying Manson's 1377 01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,960 outstanding 1378 01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,400 grudges there is one additional piece 1379 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,520 that appears to support this Theory 1380 01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,280 according to Tex Watson's account 1381 01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:17,640 summarized from numerous public 1382 01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,039 statements he and Charles Manson went up 1383 01:00:20,039 --> 01:00:22,000 to the house and got in through the back 1384 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,280 door Manson woke up loo Lanka tied him 1385 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,119 up ret GED Rosemary law Bianca tied her 1386 01:00:28,119 --> 01:00:31,000 up threatened them and robed them Manson 1387 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,960 has always disputed Tex Watson's version 1388 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:34,119 of these 1389 01:00:34,119 --> 01:00:37,960 events what does he tell you about me 1390 01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:39,760 everything that's going to help him 1391 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:45,000 right you are for you I am for me I'm 1392 01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:45,839 for 1393 01:00:45,839 --> 01:00:48,440 Charlie I didn't kill 1394 01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,079 nobody it is Undisputed that Manson 1395 01:00:51,079 --> 01:00:53,240 drove to the Lanka house and that he 1396 01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,119 went into the house for some period of 1397 01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:57,960 time according to transcripts at trial 1398 01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,079 Lind caban is asked question how long 1399 01:01:01,079 --> 01:01:02,880 after he left the car did he return to 1400 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,240 the car answer I remember we all lit up 1401 01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,680 cigarettes and we smoked about 3/4 of a 1402 01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,559 Paul Mouse cigarette however long that 1403 01:01:11,559 --> 01:01:14,559 takes what did Charles Manson do once he 1404 01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:16,520 left the 1405 01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,359 car if you're looking at a 3/4 of a 1406 01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:21,760 cigarette or whatever is 5 minutes when 1407 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,280 you look at what text says there's just 1408 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,880 not enough time 1409 01:01:29,039 --> 01:01:31,200 Manson and tex swansson went up to the 1410 01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,319 house after a few minutes Manson 1411 01:01:33,319 --> 01:01:34,880 returned at which point Patricia 1412 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,079 cranwinkle and Leslie van hton went into 1413 01:01:37,079 --> 01:01:39,200 the house and Manson left with the 1414 01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,559 others those in the car claimed that 1415 01:01:41,559 --> 01:01:43,640 while in the house Manson had retrieved 1416 01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,400 Rosemary Lanka's wallet which police 1417 01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,160 later found 20 mi away in a gas station 1418 01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,319 bathroom located in 1419 01:01:52,319 --> 01:01:54,799 Silmar according to the prosecution 1420 01:01:54,799 --> 01:01:56,760 Manson conspired to plant the wallet in 1421 01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,039 a black neighborhood reasoning a black 1422 01:01:59,039 --> 01:02:00,880 person would use the credit cards be 1423 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,559 connected to the murder and that would 1424 01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:05,400 somehow add to the race war but this 1425 01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,359 motive is contradicted by the evidence 1426 01:02:08,359 --> 01:02:10,680 Census Data retrieved from the 1970s 1427 01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,079 shows that Silmar was not a black 1428 01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:15,240 neighborhood 1429 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,640 obviously he got screwed 1430 01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,039 up the wallet got planted in the in the 1431 01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:25,880 wrong City I mean there's no point in 1432 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,920 planning in in a a white area and having 1433 01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,599 a white person use the uh the credit 1434 01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:32,359 cards that defeats the whole purpose of 1435 01:02:32,359 --> 01:02:35,760 blaming the murders on uh on the blacks 1436 01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,760 if framing black people wasn't Manson's 1437 01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,680 goal then what was he trying to achieve 1438 01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,079 at the L Bianca house and what was the 1439 01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:44,160 reason for taking Rosemary Lanka's 1440 01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,359 wallet Tex Watson says in his book when 1441 01:02:46,359 --> 01:02:50,000 they got in there Mr Lanka says hey what 1442 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,599 do youall want youall want money I can 1443 01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:53,920 get you money let's say Charlie did 1444 01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,079 accept the the money offer my theory is 1445 01:02:57,079 --> 01:02:58,640 Charlie got the money and left that's 1446 01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,920 why he 1447 01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,279 left no one disputes that at this point 1448 01:03:04,279 --> 01:03:07,000 Manson left and tex Watson Patricia 1449 01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,200 cranwinkle and Leslie van hton stayed at 1450 01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,660 the house and murdered the 1451 01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,720 Lanas with Leno Lanka there was a 1452 01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,839 carving Fork protruding out of his 1453 01:03:19,839 --> 01:03:23,079 abdomen and kren wle had written on his 1454 01:03:23,079 --> 01:03:25,880 abdomen w 1455 01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,680 and they found a knife with the handle 1456 01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,720 sticking out of one end the blade 1457 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,720 traversing his neck severing a crowded 1458 01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,079 artery and part of the blade sticking 1459 01:03:35,079 --> 01:03:38,520 out uh of the other 1460 01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,359 side during the Lanka murders all agree 1461 01:03:43,359 --> 01:03:45,079 that Charles Manson took the rest of the 1462 01:03:45,079 --> 01:03:48,200 group to Venice the prosecution insisted 1463 01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,160 that Manson went to Venice to get his 1464 01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,440 followers to commit another murder once 1465 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,440 again to frame a black person and fuel 1466 01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,720 the race war according to trial 1467 01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,160 testimony Manson allegedly took his 1468 01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,039 followers to the apartment building 1469 01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:02,920 located here the address to that 1470 01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,520 apartment building is you could 1471 01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,680 literally say a Stones Throw from the 1472 01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,400 address of the straight Satan's 1473 01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:15,760 Clubhouse in Venice you mean that that 1474 01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,160 straight Satan biker gang that Charlie 1475 01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:22,039 owed money to yeah that biker gang they 1476 01:04:22,039 --> 01:04:24,680 were in Venice in the alternate Theory 1477 01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,480 after Manson shot Bernard Crow he feared 1478 01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,400 retaliation and Enlisted the straight 1479 01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,200 satans for protection but Bobby BOS 1480 01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:33,760 compromised his protection by getting 1481 01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,720 into a conflict with the straight satans 1482 01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,520 over a drug deal if Manson took enough 1483 01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:40,520 money from the lanca residence he could 1484 01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:42,279 have gone down to Venice to settle the 1485 01:04:42,279 --> 01:04:44,240 debt that Bobby bosay owed the straight 1486 01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,640 satans from the Gary Hinman drug deal 1487 01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:47,839 this would have regained their 1488 01:04:47,839 --> 01:04:50,039 protection from the Black Panthers it's 1489 01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:51,720 what 4 in the morning 3: 4 in the 1490 01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,880 morning after the alanka thing they 1491 01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:56,400 didn't go back to the r they went to 1492 01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,480 Venice at 3 that's how that's how 1493 01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,640 pressing this was for Charlie they 1494 01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,520 couldn't wait till Monday to do business 1495 01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,079 I think they went to Venice to pay off 1496 01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:05,359 the straight 1497 01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:08,319 satans when you're in the know with 1498 01:05:08,319 --> 01:05:12,319 somebody that's in the know you don't 1499 01:05:12,319 --> 01:05:14,480 play games with 1500 01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:18,000 them the next morning Charlie sent Linda 1501 01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,880 caban down to the 1502 01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,400 jail with a message for Bobby 1503 01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,720 boset don't say anything everything's 1504 01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,960 cool why all of a sudden is everything 1505 01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,279 cool by Monday before any Court 1506 01:05:31,279 --> 01:05:32,760 proceedings started they could get a 1507 01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,000 message to Bobby everything's cool we've 1508 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,680 taken care of everything don't say a 1509 01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:40,400 word nothing we'll have you out of there 1510 01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,520 soon by Monday morning seven people were 1511 01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,760 dead but the string of murders was not 1512 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:51,000 finished the neighboring Rancher he 1513 01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,599 didn't like the Manson family there at 1514 01:05:52,599 --> 01:05:54,920 the ranch so what was going on is that 1515 01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,240 they were trying to get get them off the 1516 01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,599 ranch it's been long speculated that the 1517 01:05:58,599 --> 01:06:00,480 neighboring Rancher may have recruited a 1518 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,760 ranch hand named Donald shorty Shay to 1519 01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,160 rid the spawn Ranch of the group Manson 1520 01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:06,720 believed shorty had tipped off the 1521 01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,880 police leading to a raid you know there 1522 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,279 was definitely no love loss between 1523 01:06:10,279 --> 01:06:12,000 shorty Shay and Charles Manson that's 1524 01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,119 for sure from all I can gather on August 1525 01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:18,960 16th 1969 26 members of the commune were 1526 01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,000 arrested on suspicion of auto theft 1527 01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,480 because of a date error the search 1528 01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,599 warrant was ruled invalid and all were 1529 01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:27,000 released the police had no idea that any 1530 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:28,440 of them were connected to the murders 1531 01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:29,920 making national 1532 01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,200 news after they arrived back at the 1533 01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:36,680 spawn Ranch Donald Shay was never seen 1534 01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:40,160 again I went to sleep in a in a little 1535 01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:41,720 trailer and I heard a 1536 01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,160 scream and then I heard more screaming 1537 01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,680 and then it just it just didn't end it 1538 01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:47,400 was 1539 01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,760 horrible and it just kept going on and 1540 01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:53,079 on and I recognized Shorty's voice after 1541 01:06:53,079 --> 01:06:55,200 Donald Shay's disappearance Manson and 1542 01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:56,079 the 1543 01:06:56,079 --> 01:06:59,000 left spawn Ranch Cappy suggested her 1544 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:00,319 grandmother had a place out there in 1545 01:07:00,319 --> 01:07:01,559 Death Valley when he was looking for a 1546 01:07:01,559 --> 01:07:03,039 place to go they went out there and 1547 01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:04,760 looked at it he fell in love with it and 1548 01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,319 he said this is it this is our Utopia 1549 01:07:07,319 --> 01:07:09,240 the land and Death Valley was an 1550 01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,079 isolated mining property owned by 1551 01:07:11,079 --> 01:07:13,240 Katherine Gilly's grandmother after the 1552 01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,039 murders Charles Manson and the group 1553 01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:17,400 stayed there until October of 1554 01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:21,319 1969 we went to the desert because me I 1555 01:07:21,319 --> 01:07:23,000 was born on the ocean and I live in the 1556 01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,160 desert and I Bel the desert so 1557 01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:29,720 I offered up the 1558 01:07:30,319 --> 01:07:32,760 desert just like authorities had in Los 1559 01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,279 Angeles Ino County officers raided the 1560 01:07:35,279 --> 01:07:38,599 death valy Ranch on August 12th 1969 on 1561 01:07:38,599 --> 01:07:40,119 suspicion of auto 1562 01:07:40,119 --> 01:07:43,079 theft this time 24 members of the group 1563 01:07:43,079 --> 01:07:45,559 were arrested once again police had no 1564 01:07:45,559 --> 01:07:47,160 idea the group was involved in any of 1565 01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,520 the murders all the killers were 1566 01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:50,799 imprisoned except for Patricia 1567 01:07:50,799 --> 01:07:53,359 krenwinkel who went on both nights and 1568 01:07:53,359 --> 01:07:55,680 tex Watson after the murders Pat 1569 01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,559 krenwinkel went back to 1570 01:07:57,559 --> 01:08:01,039 Alabama uh Tex Watson went back to Texas 1571 01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:03,480 nobody was holding them around record 1572 01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,799 show that Linda caban was bailed out by 1573 01:08:05,799 --> 01:08:08,000 her parents and returned home to Milford 1574 01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,319 New Hampshire before anyone else could 1575 01:08:10,319 --> 01:08:12,640 arrange for bail Susan Atkins 1576 01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,600 confessed Susan Atkins is the one who 1577 01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,359 broke the case I mean they didn't know 1578 01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:21,400 that it was Charles Manson or Susan 1579 01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,199 Atkins or anything until she blabbed to 1580 01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:26,000 two of her cellmates that was her I me 1581 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,719 that was very much her Charlie would 1582 01:08:28,719 --> 01:08:30,319 have been better killing 1583 01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:32,319 her and he probably would have gotten 1584 01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:35,159 away with it a little bit 1585 01:08:35,159 --> 01:08:38,159 longer while inside the county jail 1586 01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:40,640 Susan Atkins told her cellmates she and 1587 01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,080 the group were involved in the murder of 1588 01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,839 Sharon Tate one of the first people she 1589 01:08:44,839 --> 01:08:46,719 confessed to was a call girl named 1590 01:08:46,719 --> 01:08:50,000 Virginia Graham Susan Atkins she plopped 1591 01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:51,880 herself down and she sat on the bunk and 1592 01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,359 we started talking and she presumed to 1593 01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:56,319 tell me how stupid the Poli me S and 1594 01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:58,239 they were dumb she said to me you know 1595 01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:00,719 those murders up Benedict Canyon she 1596 01:09:00,719 --> 01:09:02,799 says you know who did it don't you and I 1597 01:09:02,799 --> 01:09:05,600 said no and she said cold as can be 1598 01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,319 you're looking at 1599 01:09:08,679 --> 01:09:12,159 her she didn't say Helter Skelter to me 1600 01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:14,679 that that I found out out Helter Skelter 1601 01:09:14,679 --> 01:09:18,279 uh later later on but I don't recall her 1602 01:09:18,279 --> 01:09:21,159 telling me a Helter 1603 01:09:21,159 --> 01:09:23,679 Skelter Susan Atkins was denied 1604 01:09:23,679 --> 01:09:26,359 compassion at least in 200 8 and died 1605 01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:29,799 from brain cancer in prison but in 1969 1606 01:09:29,799 --> 01:09:31,560 the da was willing to overlook the 1607 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,239 brutality of her actions the deal with 1608 01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:37,080 Susan Atkins the prosecution was going 1609 01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:41,080 to let her plead to second degree 1610 01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:44,759 murder Chan was begging for her life she 1611 01:09:44,759 --> 01:09:47,960 was being held by Susan Atkins and she 1612 01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:49,600 said please don't kill me please don't 1613 01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,920 kill me I just want to have my 1614 01:09:53,159 --> 01:09:56,159 baby I felt nothing I felt absolutely 1615 01:09:56,159 --> 01:09:57,360 nothing for 1616 01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,719 her um and she 1617 01:10:00,719 --> 01:10:03,239 begged for her life and for the life of 1618 01:10:03,239 --> 01:10:05,320 the 1619 01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:09,520 baby she said look I don't care 1620 01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,159 about you or your child you're going to 1621 01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:16,960 die tonight I don't feel a thing behind 1622 01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:22,040 it you know having Susan Atkins as the 1623 01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:23,800 witness that wouldn't have gone over too 1624 01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,080 well with the jury 1625 01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,199 the prosecutor who was working up the 1626 01:10:32,199 --> 01:10:34,320 deal was the author of Helter Skelter 1627 01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,840 Vincent bugliosi Vincent buosi was an 1628 01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,040 outstanding prosecutor but if um one 1629 01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:43,760 really were to dig much deeper what 1630 01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:48,280 emerges is he was a womanizer he loved 1631 01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,040 attention he was overambitious 1632 01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,159 he had a guy sitting in court that I 1633 01:10:54,159 --> 01:10:56,159 thought was a report but it turned out 1634 01:10:56,159 --> 01:10:58,880 it was Kurt Gentry who Vince had hired 1635 01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,320 to write a book on the case he didn't 1636 01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:04,080 tell anybody about it this was going to 1637 01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,199 make him rich and 1638 01:11:06,199 --> 01:11:09,199 famous it's our underworld soldier who 1639 01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:11,360 you think the president is what you 1640 01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:13,239 think he off 1641 01:11:13,239 --> 01:11:16,120 myself this is the Helter Skelter theory 1642 01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:17,840 that was presented to the jury in the 1643 01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,800 Charles Manson trials Manson formed a 1644 01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,239 cult of obedient followers who wanted to 1645 01:11:23,239 --> 01:11:25,520 drop out of society their connection to 1646 01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,920 the Bernard Crow Shooting is unknown as 1647 01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:29,840 the motive was not explored by the 1648 01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,360 prosecution Manson also wanted to be a 1649 01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:34,520 rock star was obsessed with the Beatles 1650 01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:36,719 and knew the Beach Boys through the 1651 01:11:36,719 --> 01:11:38,880 Beach Boys Manson came to resent Terry 1652 01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,400 mure and considered mire's house a 1653 01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,000 representation of the establishment 1654 01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:45,800 Manson believed The Beatles were 1655 01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,679 predicting a race war through hidden 1656 01:11:47,679 --> 01:11:50,280 messages in their songs and he needed 1657 01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:52,719 money to further his preparation because 1658 01:11:52,719 --> 01:11:54,719 of this Manson further brainwashed his 1659 01:11:54,719 --> 01:11:56,400 cult to believe in the race war and 1660 01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,760 ordered them to kill Gary Henman 1661 01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:00,880 meanwhile to start the race war Manson 1662 01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,080 decided to murder white people and frame 1663 01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,239 black people by indirectly ordering his 1664 01:12:05,239 --> 01:12:07,159 followers to kill whoever lived at Terry 1665 01:12:07,159 --> 01:12:10,280 milch's House Manson also chose another 1666 01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:12,199 house at random for unknown reasons and 1667 01:12:12,199 --> 01:12:14,960 ordered its occupants to be killed 1668 01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,320 Manson's plot was to frame black people 1669 01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,440 by having his followers leave indirect 1670 01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:21,440 references to the Beatles White Album at 1671 01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:23,719 the crime scenes which both the police 1672 01:12:23,719 --> 01:12:25,760 and black people would comprehend 1673 01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,159 this would lead to a race war once the 1674 01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:30,400 race War Began Manson and the family 1675 01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:32,080 would hide in a secret cave in the 1676 01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:35,159 desert after the war Manson would emerge 1677 01:12:35,159 --> 01:12:36,960 and become the leader of the Victorious 1678 01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,480 black Army and rebuild the 1679 01:12:39,480 --> 01:12:42,040 world this is the theory that convicted 1680 01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,639 Charles Manson and others and gained 1681 01:12:44,639 --> 01:12:47,440 prosecutor Vincent bugliosi Fame and a 1682 01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:51,400 best-selling book that's what the da 1683 01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,840 said everybody will tell you what they 1684 01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,080 think about me according to what they 1685 01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:00,920 want to use me for all I'm looking for 1686 01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:08,080 is to help me I've always been by myself 1687 01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,480 alone anything on the recordings that 1688 01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:14,800 you know of whereby he speaks of his 1689 01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,679 philosophy of Helter Skelter and the 1690 01:13:17,679 --> 01:13:21,639 ration damnation of this 1691 01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,800 world I was really not a friendly 1692 01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:25,719 Witness 1693 01:13:25,719 --> 01:13:27,199 I was on Parole for one thing and I 1694 01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:29,560 didn't want really get you know get 1695 01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,800 connected with these people now and this 1696 01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:33,840 Da comes out to my house you know trying 1697 01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:35,199 trying to get stuff out of me that 1698 01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:38,560 wasn't there they know how to mil the C 1699 01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,960 man and they do it so well the cow don't 1700 01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:43,080 even know 1701 01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:46,280 it the Helter Skelter theory is not only 1702 01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,760 Sensational it establishes the elements 1703 01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:50,960 of first-degree murder and conspiracy 1704 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,600 under the California law which says that 1705 01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,320 the defendant must not only agree to 1706 01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,600 commit a crime but also commit an overt 1707 01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,440 act in furtherance of that agreement 1708 01:14:00,440 --> 01:14:02,040 without proving the Helter Skelter 1709 01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,159 motive there was no evidence whatsoever 1710 01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:05,960 that Manson wanted these murders to 1711 01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:07,600 happen you have to be a party to it you 1712 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,120 can't just know about it I didn't break 1713 01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,120 the law because I've been in prison all 1714 01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:14,719 my life and I know the law I know what 1715 01:14:14,719 --> 01:14:17,080 conspiracy is I'm not going to conspire 1716 01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:20,560 to do something that's kind of stupid is 1717 01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,360 I'm not a stupid dude I'm dumb but I'm 1718 01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,480 not stupid this is the implication of 1719 01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:28,880 what Manson was saying it's not that he 1720 01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,400 wasn't involved in the events of the 1721 01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,880 summer of' 69 Manson admitted to 1722 01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:34,960 shooting Bernard Crowe his involvement 1723 01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,280 with drugs the straight satans and the 1724 01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,480 motive of getting Bobby out of prison 1725 01:14:39,480 --> 01:14:41,400 but when it comes to the murders he 1726 01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,560 purposely kept himself at a distance I 1727 01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,520 thought it was a horrible case against 1728 01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,040 him remember that he was not at the 1729 01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,800 scene he was 40 Mi away when the murders 1730 01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,480 took place so he was kind of he was an 1731 01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:57,000 armchair murderer the Helter Skelter 1732 01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:58,920 theory was how the prosecution 1733 01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,000 demonstrated that Manson was guilty of 1734 01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,440 conspiracy and murder under the 1735 01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:05,840 requirements of law they described a 1736 01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,000 scenario where he ordered the murders 1737 01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,440 without actually saying the words I mean 1738 01:15:10,440 --> 01:15:13,920 they all knew about Helder skeler but we 1739 01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,120 didn't have any evidence that that 1740 01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:19,120 specific night that Manson said go out 1741 01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,040 and start Helder skeler he just said go 1742 01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:25,800 with Tex and do what Tex tells you to do 1743 01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:29,199 they don't Adit the truth they had no 1744 01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:33,600 evidence against me 1745 01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:39,239 none there was no evidence that Manson 1746 01:15:39,239 --> 01:15:41,719 himself killed anyone the prosecution 1747 01:15:41,719 --> 01:15:43,520 said that Manson was guilty under the 1748 01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,360 rule of vicarious responsibility the 1749 01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:48,440 notion that Manson's plot to start a 1750 01:15:48,440 --> 01:15:50,440 race war made him responsible for all 1751 01:15:50,440 --> 01:15:52,400 the crimes committed to further it 1752 01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,080 remember Vince is trying to push the 1753 01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,000 agenda of Charlie just came out of 1754 01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,520 nowhere and said hey we got to start a 1755 01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:03,320 race war Bernard Crow drug dealing car 1756 01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:05,159 theft auto none of that has anything to 1757 01:16:05,159 --> 01:16:07,320 do with this if Vince introduces 1758 01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:09,239 anything outside of that it starts to 1759 01:16:09,239 --> 01:16:11,520 wash away that Helter Skelter Theory 1760 01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:12,840 then you have that Reasonable Doubt 1761 01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:14,159 creeping in well maybe it had something 1762 01:16:14,159 --> 01:16:15,239 to do with the drug 1763 01:16:15,239 --> 01:16:17,360 deal and Vince doesn't want you going 1764 01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,760 down that road people don't want to look 1765 01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,760 at it from the point of 1766 01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,480 view that dranks them just something 1767 01:16:25,480 --> 01:16:28,080 they don't 1768 01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,080 like the prosecution used the race War 1769 01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:36,320 as a basis of their legal argument if 1770 01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,320 the alternative theory is correct might 1771 01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,000 they have ignored the true nature of the 1772 01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,159 events to gain a conviction whatever 1773 01:16:42,159 --> 01:16:44,800 Manson's crimes do the ends justify the 1774 01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:48,600 means I think if he had had a competent 1775 01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,880 lawyer he would have either walked at 1776 01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,719 the trial or walked on appeal because 1777 01:16:53,719 --> 01:16:55,760 there just wasn't sufficient testimony 1778 01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,480 to convict him of anything to convict 1779 01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:01,000 Manson the prosecution's entire case 1780 01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:02,800 depended on one of the murderers 1781 01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,080 corroborating their theory on December 1782 01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:08,159 2nd 1969 4 months after the death of 1783 01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:10,320 Sharon Tate the last of the murderers 1784 01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,920 was captured then the caban surrendered 1785 01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:16,000 in New Mexico and returned to California 1786 01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:17,800 she immediately met with her attorney 1787 01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:20,080 Gary fleschman I talked to her and the 1788 01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:21,840 only conversation I can tell you is I 1789 01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:25,120 said keep your mouth shut and keep it sh 1790 01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:28,760 in that jail don't talk to anybody about 1791 01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:30,360 this 1792 01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:33,239 ever I can't tell you the conversation I 1793 01:17:33,239 --> 01:17:37,000 had with her but I was led to believe 1794 01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,000 that the murders up there started long 1795 01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,440 before the Tate La Bianca 1796 01:17:42,440 --> 01:17:45,920 case I Can't Describe what she told me 1797 01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:50,440 but it was scary the whole thing was 1798 01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:55,280 scary at that time Linda caban had few 1799 01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,400 options because Susan Atkins had already 1800 01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:59,960 turned States witness according to Gary 1801 01:17:59,960 --> 01:18:03,320 fleschman he had caban sabotage Susan 1802 01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:05,320 Atkins testimony while they were both in 1803 01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,360 custody to bolster her bargaining 1804 01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:10,159 position with the 1805 01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:13,639 prosecutors I had Linda pass kites to 1806 01:18:13,639 --> 01:18:16,199 her in the jail a kite as a little 1807 01:18:16,199 --> 01:18:19,520 letter saying in Charlie talk Charlie 1808 01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,840 talk being the da is your lawyer Charlie 1809 01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,880 is the da nonsense like that and this 1810 01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:27,679 Atkins was a little nuts and she then 1811 01:18:27,679 --> 01:18:30,239 refused to testify so now they were left 1812 01:18:30,239 --> 01:18:31,360 with 1813 01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:32,880 Linda 1814 01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:36,400 period and then negotiations started 1815 01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:37,880 first they offered me murder in the 1816 01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:40,520 second degree I said no then they 1817 01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,440 offered me voluntary manslaughter I said 1818 01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:45,760 no she was technically guilty of 1819 01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,120 first-degree murder as an accessory 1820 01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,239 before and after the 1821 01:18:50,239 --> 01:18:53,320 fact lindic caban was one of the four 1822 01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:55,199 who had participated in the Shar tapate 1823 01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:57,360 murders and was with Charles Manson The 1824 01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:00,080 Night of the lanca murders but prior to 1825 01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:01,520 that she had only been with the group 1826 01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,080 for about 30 days and had spent little 1827 01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:07,239 time with Manson himself nobody read it 1828 01:19:07,239 --> 01:19:09,159 on me 1829 01:19:09,159 --> 01:19:14,080 except she didn't R cuz she didn't know 1830 01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,800 anything what they did was they got that 1831 01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:27,520 some of the women that didn't know 1832 01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:31,639 me I can get in your 1833 01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:37,000 mind so we typed up an immunity 1834 01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,080 agreement and the immunity agreement 1835 01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:42,280 said Linda caban will receive immunity 1836 01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:44,280 if she testifies to the truth in the 1837 01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:48,920 so-called Manson Murders the truth is as 1838 01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:53,840 follows I knew exactly what was 1839 01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,800 necessary to convict him and whether 1840 01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,679 that was the truth or not wasn't my 1841 01:19:59,679 --> 01:20:02,719 business to decide that was Vince's 1842 01:20:02,719 --> 01:20:07,800 business I said Linda if you testify to 1843 01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:11,360 that you're going to walk out of that 1844 01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:17,320 courtroom Charles Manson Susan Atkins 1845 01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:19,960 Patricia krenwinkel Charles Tex Watson 1846 01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,120 and Leslie van hton were all charged 1847 01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,719 with murder and conspiracy but Tex Wat 1848 01:20:24,719 --> 01:20:26,480 Watson had fled to his home state of 1849 01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:28,600 Texas and faced extradition to 1850 01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,199 California but Lind casaban ready to 1851 01:20:31,199 --> 01:20:33,840 testify Tex Watson was not brought back 1852 01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,920 in time for Manson's trial Tech sat out 1853 01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,679 a whole year and watched that trial 1854 01:20:39,679 --> 01:20:42,520 develop and had he brought Tex in with 1855 01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:44,400 him there's no way he would have got 1856 01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:45,719 that conviction they wanted to get rid 1857 01:20:45,719 --> 01:20:48,440 of me I had gone to Stanford I was 1858 01:20:48,440 --> 01:20:49,920 really the only lawyer in the place that 1859 01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,719 knew what the hell was going on we filed 1860 01:20:52,719 --> 01:20:55,400 a very detailed motion to get the case 1861 01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:58,280 out of LA County it had like a hundred 1862 01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,040 newspaper clippings and I claimed that 1863 01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:04,480 the bad publicity was instigated by the 1864 01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:06,480 prosecutors and that's enough to get the 1865 01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:09,639 case dismissed at least on appeal that 1866 01:21:09,639 --> 01:21:11,880 case should have never been tried in Los 1867 01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:14,600 Angeles County but when we went to make 1868 01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,960 a deal we withdrew the motion you should 1869 01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,280 have seen my when I was sitting in the 1870 01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:22,120 courtroom and Linda came up with a 1871 01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:25,440 demure thisal gold C that she was 1872 01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:27,520 fingering and got up on the stand and 1873 01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,960 said I'm just an angel sent here from 1874 01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:33,320 Heaven to tell the world that Charli is 1875 01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:37,280 the devil not Jesus 1876 01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:41,760 Christ listen and learn the courtroom 1877 01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:43,280 shows our 1878 01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:46,520 Justice the courtroom is the eye of the 1879 01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:47,760 social 1880 01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,239 Consciousness you've got to go along 1881 01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:53,000 with the courtroom right or wrong hasn't 1882 01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,280 got anything to do with 1883 01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:58,880 I'm a mass murderer in the 1884 01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,679 courtroom it literally branded Charles 1885 01:22:01,679 --> 01:22:04,120 Manson the most evil dangerous 1886 01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:08,520 man in the world there's no end to my 1887 01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:12,719 Insanity my insanity is so much genius 1888 01:22:12,719 --> 01:22:17,679 I've got five heads in one 1889 01:22:17,679 --> 01:22:20,400 hand none of the defense attorneys 1890 01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,679 challenged the fact 1891 01:22:22,679 --> 01:22:27,120 that Linda C testimony went 1892 01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,440 uncorroborated I know how involved she 1893 01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:31,760 was and I won't 1894 01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:34,880 say but she was definitely involved 1895 01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,760 yes when the trial wound to a close 1896 01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:44,960 those Associated began to fear for their 1897 01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,199 lives many involved have since changed 1898 01:22:47,199 --> 01:22:50,040 their names in fear of reprisal Live and 1899 01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:52,120 Let Live you don't let me live you don't 1900 01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:54,679 live that's all if you let me live if 1901 01:22:54,679 --> 01:22:56,679 you live if you don't let me live then 1902 01:22:56,679 --> 01:22:59,159 you get your own judgment everybody gets 1903 01:22:59,159 --> 01:23:01,159 to judge themselves I don't I didn't 1904 01:23:01,159 --> 01:23:04,520 want the job you know Charlie went like 1905 01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,400 this to me meaning I'm going to cut your 1906 01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:10,159 throat and I said to him Charlie when 1907 01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:12,960 you get out of jail I'm going to have a 1908 01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,560 turkey neck bring a sharp knife to cut 1909 01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:18,679 it he started laughing they came to my 1910 01:23:18,679 --> 01:23:21,360 house twice to kill me my neighbor said 1911 01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:22,639 that the the guys have been crawling 1912 01:23:22,639 --> 01:23:24,960 over your fence one night during the 1913 01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,400 first trial on my way to the parking lot 1914 01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,719 where I had parked squeaky and Sandy 1915 01:23:30,719 --> 01:23:33,360 good snuck up behind me and said they 1916 01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:34,840 were going to do to my house what was 1917 01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:37,719 done at the Tate house Leslie van Hon's 1918 01:23:37,719 --> 01:23:39,679 attorney Ronald Hughes went missing 1919 01:23:39,679 --> 01:23:41,480 during the trial leaving many to 1920 01:23:41,480 --> 01:23:43,800 speculate I remember we broke for the 1921 01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,080 weekend on a Friday 1922 01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,520 afternoon Manson pointed directly at 1923 01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:52,000 Ronald Hughes and said attorney I don't 1924 01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:53,800 want to ever see you in this courtroom 1925 01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:56,920 again his body was found 6 months later 1926 01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:58,840 uh but it was so badly decomposed that 1927 01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,480 they couldn't tell the cause of death so 1928 01:24:01,480 --> 01:24:03,800 I'll bet your bottom dollar that he said 1929 01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,679 something that got under Charlie's skin 1930 01:24:06,679 --> 01:24:09,520 and Manson had him killed I mean he went 1931 01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:11,159 up to sesp Hot Springs and all of a 1932 01:24:11,159 --> 01:24:13,800 sudden he's dead I don't believe it was 1933 01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:15,560 an 1934 01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:18,080 accident after the first trial the 1935 01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,960 Manson family became Infamous Vincent 1936 01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,280 bugliosi published Helter Skelter the 1937 01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:25,639 bestselling True Crime book of all time 1938 01:24:25,639 --> 01:24:28,000 beginning Decades of movies books and TV 1939 01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,760 shows showcasing Charles Manson as the 1940 01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,159 Incarnation of evil they think they're 1941 01:24:33,159 --> 01:24:35,199 stealing me but all they're doing is 1942 01:24:35,199 --> 01:24:37,440 stealing what I've left for them to 1943 01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:40,159 steal and other words they're playing 1944 01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:42,760 all my dreams but I left those on the 1945 01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:43,679 bus 1946 01:24:43,679 --> 01:24:48,480 stop such an insidiously created 1947 01:24:49,239 --> 01:24:52,880 book it's a curse having 1948 01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:57,239 Liber da up man convicted me in 1949 01:24:57,239 --> 01:24:59,560 in the Press he didn't convict me in 1950 01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,119 court Charles Manson and the rest 1951 01:25:02,119 --> 01:25:04,560 continued on through the courts they 1952 01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:06,119 received another death sentence for the 1953 01:25:06,119 --> 01:25:08,440 murder of Donald shorty Shay based 1954 01:25:08,440 --> 01:25:11,560 primarily on the testimony of barbar Hoy 1955 01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:13,760 Tex Watson received a separate trial for 1956 01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:15,639 the Tate La Bianca murders and was 1957 01:25:15,639 --> 01:25:18,119 sentenced to death like the others 1958 01:25:18,119 --> 01:25:20,239 following year the California Supreme 1959 01:25:20,239 --> 01:25:22,280 Court abolished the death penalty and 1960 01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:23,920 all their sentences were commuted to 1961 01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,520 life in prison the first trial everybody 1962 01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:28,239 was brainwashed Tex was brainwashed 1963 01:25:28,239 --> 01:25:29,480 everybody went and killed for Charlie 1964 01:25:29,480 --> 01:25:31,960 but when Tex gets the trial he wasn't 1965 01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:35,210 brainwashed he acted on his 1966 01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:42,199 own in November of 1969 Bobby bosay was 1967 01:25:42,199 --> 01:25:44,040 tried in the murder of Gary Hinman 1968 01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:47,000 before the da had charged Charles Manson 1969 01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,760 Bose's first trial ended in a mistrial 1970 01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:51,320 when the jury could not come to a 1971 01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,600 unanimous verdict there was no mention 1972 01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:55,760 of Helter Skelter the first triy it was 1973 01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,440 just a quiet little little trial in 1974 01:25:58,440 --> 01:26:02,880 Santa Monica uh the jury was hung 8 to4 1975 01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:04,360 you know and I didn't even testify 1976 01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:06,440 because the the case was was really very 1977 01:26:06,440 --> 01:26:09,280 weak in a second trial which took place 1978 01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:11,880 after Manson was arrested Bobby bosay 1979 01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,080 was rebranded a member of the Manson 1980 01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,280 family he and Susan Atkins were 1981 01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:18,400 sentenced to death alongside Charles 1982 01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:20,960 Manson for the murder of Gary Hinman 1983 01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:22,760 they brought up this race war thing and 1984 01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:24,920 all of that it was horrible man they did 1985 01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:28,040 a lot of Insidious 1986 01:26:31,119 --> 01:26:33,520 things those convicted of the Tate 1987 01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:36,520 labianca murders remain in jail some 1988 01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:38,560 like Leslie van hton have been granted 1989 01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,920 parole but because of her association 1990 01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:43,400 with Charles Manson her parole has been 1991 01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:45,880 continually overturned I don't think 1992 01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:47,719 that she deserves to get up they were 1993 01:26:47,719 --> 01:26:49,920 all Lucky that they didn't suffer the 1994 01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,199 death penalty I'm going to get her out 1995 01:26:52,199 --> 01:26:56,159 um the da is not operating fairly just 1996 01:26:56,159 --> 01:26:58,679 follow the law that's all that's all I'm 1997 01:26:58,679 --> 01:27:02,159 asking Lynette squeaky FR served 35 1998 01:27:02,159 --> 01:27:03,840 years in prison for attempting to 1999 01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,040 assassinate President Gerald Ford she 2000 01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:09,800 was paroled in 2009 Vincent bugliosi 2001 01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:13,239 died in 2015 but his book Helter Skelter 2002 01:27:13,239 --> 01:27:15,040 has become gospel in terms of 2003 01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:19,239 information on Charles Manson 2004 01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:33,239 that's hard for me to believe that all 2005 01:27:33,239 --> 01:27:37,000 this time has gone by man Charles Manson 2006 01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,199 was not an innocent man but does it 2007 01:27:39,199 --> 01:27:41,560 matter how we know that should those in 2008 01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:43,560 power be allowed to construct their own 2009 01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:46,520 truth in the pursuit of Justice I see 2010 01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:49,679 things as they really are and true 2011 01:27:49,679 --> 01:27:52,480 you've got a constitution in the United 2012 01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:54,760 States and they read it and they study 2013 01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,920 it in school but they never really 2014 01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:00,520 understand the validity of it and how 2015 01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:04,000 powerful it really 2016 01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:06,719 is I don't care who it is if somebody 2017 01:28:06,719 --> 01:28:08,080 doesn't get a fair 2018 01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:10,670 trial then we're all in 2019 01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:15,239 trouble do I think he's separated 2020 01:28:15,239 --> 01:28:17,440 Injustice not 2021 01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:20,920 really not in my heart of hearts but as 2022 01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:22,520 a matter of 2023 01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:25,040 litigation yes he did did suffer an 2024 01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:27,560 injustice whether Marley he suffered an 2025 01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:29,560 injustice I don't think 2026 01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:32,400 so this leaves some to ask if the 2027 01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,760 prosecution had pursued the alternative 2028 01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:36,600 Theory with its brutal but less 2029 01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:38,760 Sensational elements would anyone even 2030 01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:41,080 know Charles Manson and would he have 2031 01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:42,800 died in 2032 01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:46,719 prison I believe what I'm told to 2033 01:28:46,719 --> 01:28:49,240 believe don't you 152611

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