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LAUGHTER
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Wait. There we go.
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WOMAN LAUGHS
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Nellie, careful there.
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Sorry, Grandad.
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Ready? That's ready.
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OK. Ready, Nellie?
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Here I come!
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Aa-a-ah! Aa-a-ah!
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Run!
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Aargh! Aargh!
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I can't believe you're
still doing that.
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Whee!
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I'd like to welcome you to this
international
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conference for climate change, 2009.
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It is my great pleasure to
welcome our keynote speaker,
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who has been a pioneer in climate
science for the last 30 years,
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an expert in his field,
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world-renowned,
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and who will address us on his work
on the global instrumental
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temperature record, often referred
to as a hockey stick graph,
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which has been
so important in helping us
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to understand the cause of change
during the last 1,000 years.
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We are honoured to welcome
Prof Philip Jones.
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Go on, then.
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APPLAUSE
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much.
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PLUCKED VIOLIN MUSIC
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I'll call you to let you know
when I'm back.
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You're a star, Dad, thanks.
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Where the hell are you?
The train leaves in two minutes.
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Shit.
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Sorry.
I had to sort out the kids. Right...
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Let's see what level of a shit
storm we've got here.
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TV: The University of East Anglia's
Climategate email controversy.
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Climategate. Climategate.
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The Climategate scandal.
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Scientists are using words like
"trick".
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Climategate they're calling it,
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a new scandal over global warming
and it's burning up the Internet.
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Have the
books been cooked on climate change?
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At worst it's junk science
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and it is a part of a massive,
international, scientific fraud.
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It's a communications consultancy.
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Crisis management.
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Neil Wallis,
ex-editor of a Sunday tabloid
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and his colleague Sam Bowen.
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Sam's background is more corporate
public relations.
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Can we trust them?
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I think we have to.
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We're running out of time.
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They're accusing him of fraud, Ruth.
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How is Phil?
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You haven't seen a select
committee hearing?
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No.
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It's no walk in the park.
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Eight people right
there in front of you
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and trying to put you on a skewer.
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Right.
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It's the House of Commons,
the government.
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An all-out vindication
and this Professor Philip Jones
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and the rest of them
have got half a chance.
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The slightest whiff of a rap across
the knuckles and they're screwed.
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So we've got one shot at it?
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To clear their names?
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And three weeks to do it.
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JEREMY PAXMAN: Skulduggery,
scientific espionage and black
propaganda.
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Have scientists really been
manipulating the data?
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They claim to be victims of a crime,
right? They are.
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From the off everyone is all over
their arses like they're
the criminals.
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Even the tree huggers,
the environment correspondents.
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We need institutions independent
of them declaring their innocence.
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I suppose they don't know, do they?
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What?
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If they are innocent or if Jones did
rig the data
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to exaggerate the increase
in temperatures?
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Exactly,
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everyone is terrified
they're guilty as charged.
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Maybe they're right to be.
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TV: ..tonight faces forensic
examination.
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The temperature graphs at the heart
of concern of about climate change
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will now be picked
over by experts.
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Edward Acton, Vice-Chancellor.
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Neil Wallis. Sam Bowen.
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Pleased to meet you. This is my
co-Vice-Chancellor, Trevor Davies.
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Trevor. Former director
of the Climatic Research Unit,
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also known as CRU.
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Three months ago.
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When you were hacked?
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No.
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The hacking itself was some
months before.
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We only became aware of it
when the hacker uploaded the file.
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What was he called again?
Realclimate.org.
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The university learned about it
the following day.
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And you, Phil.
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Is that when you found out?
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I...
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Yes, that's when we found out too.
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And what was your response once you
knew there'd been a hack?
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We informed the police
and told them
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there had been an IT system
breach. A data theft.
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I think
that's the phrase that was used.
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Goodnight.
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Goodnight.
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Thank you, Stella.
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You're very welcome.
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These are the press office documents
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and I've had made this for you -
it's the broadcast coverage.
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Good.
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We'll take a look at that tonight.
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Isn't it rather late?
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The House of Commons hearing,
it's in three weeks, right?
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Yes.
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The clock is ticking, Edward, so
yeah, we'll be working tonight.
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I see, good.
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Good.
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Jesus, they weren't joking.
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He's broken.
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Yep.
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Do you think he...?
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He did it?
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You'd expect him to be a bit more
pissed off, wouldn't you?
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If he was innocent.
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Are you sure I'm the right person
for this?
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I do corporate.
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Branding.
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Which means you're not digital.
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Look, whatever.
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We're here now, aren't we?
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Getting paid to get this lot
out of a hole,
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guilty or not.
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SEAT BELT CLICKS
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CAR ENGINE STARTS
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OK, thanks for coming, everyone.
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Thank you.
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Er, let's start with the headlines.
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Two days ago the Safer
Neighbourhoods team logged
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a data theft from a backup
server
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at the University's Climatic
Research Unit, known as crew.
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Safer Neighbourhoods flagged
the call to Special Branch
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and last night Gold Command,
on my recommendation,
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initiated Operation Cabin
as a major investigation.
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The contents of the file
appears to be
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around 1,000 emails
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and other documents written over a
ten-year period by staff at CRU,
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mostly by its current director,
Professor Philip Jones,
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world-renowned climate
scientist.
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Gareth here is from Kinetic,
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a defence contractor
specialising in cyber security.
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His team will lead on the digital
investigation,
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reporting directly to me as senior
investigating officer.
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The other two lines of inquiry,
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physical breach of CRU or an
internal leak,
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will be overseen by Gold group.
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This is a Category A investigation,
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so we can hopefully expect some
additional support
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from national
counterterrorism Scotland Yard.
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Yes.
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The Cat A status,
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sorry, boss, but who's been
murdered?
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No-one, DS Suppiah.
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So the only crime that we're
invest...
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The breach of the
Computer Misuse Act, section one,
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and, depending what we turn up,
maybe section two.
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Regardless, this is still
a Cat A investigation,
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and I would appreciate it
if it were treated as such.
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Right, if there aren't any more
questions, you know the drill.
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Any pissed-off employees, office
politics, financial vulnerability...
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..who had access,
what was the IT set-up,
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any hint of a motivation,
I want to hear about it.
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Thank you.
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DS Suppiah, a word.
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I appreciate this might just be
a staff member with an axe to
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grind, or some hacker winning
a pissing contest,
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but if it isn't, look at
the timing, join the dots.
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Three weeks before COP15,
the UN Climate Conference.
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Think about it, if this
is someone trying to influence
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the global response to
climate change,
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well, then, I'd say maybe
Cat A isn't high enough.
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CAMERA CLICKS
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The stolen emails are mostly
conversations between colleagues,
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climate scientists,
here and in the US.
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And these conversations,
they've been taken wholesale?
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No, because whoever
compiled this file,
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they knew what
they were looking for.
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These emails had been selected,
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probably using a word
search for certain phrases.
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The first place a link is
posted along with this comment here,
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"a miracle has happened",
is climateaudit.org.
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It's a climate sceptic blog run
by this man, Steve McIntyre.
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He's receiving the link,
he's not...? He's not sending it?
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Yeah,
but he's got history with Jones.
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Erm, McIntyre is a Canadian
ex-mining consultant turned...
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..self-appointed climate
science fact checker.
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If you look at his blog posts
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and the comment streams
of his website, and the emails,
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it reveals that there is an
established relationship with Jones.
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And it seems as far back as 2002,
he's been asking Jones for his data.
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Which Jones gave him?
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Yeah. Initially.
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But then, McIntyre started using it
to criticise Jones,
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to undermine his career,
Jones backed off.
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McIntyre, well, he got frustrated.
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Earlier this year, he persuaded
his entire database to send
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freedom of information requests to
CRU, asking for their raw data.
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Which they did. Yeah.
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Jones was flooded,
and I mean flooded, with requests.
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60 in one week, look.
It's a bloody tsunami.
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Annoying, but not illegal.
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Yes, but that's where it gets
interesting.
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Our initial analysis of the hard
drives and servers suggests
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that the unit was hacked several
times between that same time period.
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Are you saying there was more than
one breach? Not only that.
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McIntyre's requests were formally
refused by the university.
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And four days later, a file
of stolen materials goes live.
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I have not falsified any data!
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Collusion?
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They can't argue with the facts.
That's what they do all the time!
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Do you really think this is them?
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Well, of course it's them!
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I'm sorry.
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I haven't done anything wrong, Ruth.
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Are you suggesting that
McIntyre was responsible? No.
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It was a relatively
sophisticated attack,
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he wouldn't have the capability.
But there was a coordination.
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More likely someone else
with a vested
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interest in tracking his disputes
with CRU.
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Yeah, you should also speak to
this guy. This is Steve Mosher.
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He's an established lukewarmer.
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He doesn't believe that
climate change
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is as serious as everyone's
making out.
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When the emails came out,
he was in charge of finding
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the extracts before they were
taken down.
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"I've just completed Mike's nature
trick..."
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"..to hide the decline."
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"Cheers, Phil."
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And these are the
extracts that are penetrating now?
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Yeah. It's a
very effective selection.
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Mosher knew exactly what
he was doing.
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Have your comms team got Phil's
comment on why
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he used the word trick?
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Already on the website, along with
an acknowledgement of the hack.
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Look, I think we should do more -
defend the science.
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We'd be inviting an attack.
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I'm telling you,
there's an established history.
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It's a bunch of bloggers, Trevor.
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Just let them burn the story
out amongst themselves.
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There was a piece in the Guardian,
and surely, it's quite...
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Our defence would only raise more
questions, give the story oxygen.
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We don't want the science
questioned, either. Look...
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..if we can get through the weekend
without The Today Programme
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calling us, I really think
we'll be fine, OK?
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RADIO: 25 to eight.
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Those who are on the sceptic side
have seized on these emails.
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One of those sceptics is
Lord Lawson, the former Chancellor,
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whose book, An Appeal To Reason...
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On the face of it, it looks as
if the raw data were being
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manipulated in order to prove what
they wanted to prove,
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that they were refusing to allow
other scientists outside
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access to the raw data, that they
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were talking about destroying
various files in order to prevent
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data being revealed through
the Freedom of Information Act.
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Now, these are very,
very serious things.
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It may be that there is an innocent
explanation for all this,
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but what is absolutely clear,
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because this is the basis on which
policy decisions are being made,
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to some extent, by the government,
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and by governments around the world,
it has also tarnished very
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badly the international
reputation of British science.
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They'll need...
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It's just, we really need some
clarity, especially on why
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some of the temperature data
can't be released to the public.
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Shell.
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"Dear Phil Jones -
you should kill yourself.
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"You lying prick, arsehole.
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"And if you don't, I'll be more than
happy to do it for you.
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"And your family."
Oh, God. That's terrible.
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We'll inform the police.
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Look, Ruth, if he does come round
a bit, would you mind...
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He's the only one who knows
the truth about the emails,
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the temperature...
I know, believe me, I know.
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Even his voice has changed, Trevor.
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Like it's stuck in his throat.
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Are you and Grandad coming
to my school play, Granny?
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Of course, sweetheart.
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Did...
It might just be Granny this time.
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OK. OK!
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Bye. Bye.
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Bye, Granny, see you soon. Bye!
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RUTH SOBS
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These are the most damaging
extracts.
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Can you delete any emails
you may have had with Keith?
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Keith will do likewise.
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"We're choosing the periods
to show warming.
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"I've just completed Mike's
nature trick...
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"..to hide the decline."
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The press inquiries haven't stopped
all morning, it's unprecedented.
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Like nothing anyone's seen before.
And from the US now to...
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What is it they want,
specifically? Phil.
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The extracts are mostly
from his emails.
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And he's the director of CRU.
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They want to know why all of CRU's
data isn't available as well.
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But in terms of people, Phil.
No-one else.
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I'm afraid that's not going
to be possible.
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Well, surely you don't stand by his
comments on the website? Yeah.
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Why isn't Phil available?
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It would be the clearest way to
set things straight. I agree.
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I went round there this morning
after the Lawson interview.
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The man's struggling.
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30 years ago, do you remember,
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you had that offer of work
in California?
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And we came here to talk about it,
about the kids moving school.
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What it would all mean.
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And you got so excited.
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Not about going, but about staying.
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About what that meant.
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Do you remember?
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Philip, if I can remember,
I know you do.
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"It's going to be important,"
that's what you said.
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Politicians were just starting to
talk about global warming,
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and you said that when
they finally came to act on it,
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they'd needed data they could trust.
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They'd need evidence,
and that you, CRU, would be
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able to give it to them.
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Well, that time is now, Philip.
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And you were right.
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They do need your evidence.
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Which is why we can't let these
bastards destroy all you've done.
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It's too important.
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You're too important.
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"I've found what I can do, Ruth."
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That's what you said.
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"And the place I can do it."
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God,
and I so wanted to go to California!
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Did you? Yeah!
RUTH LAUGHS
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You're going to have to speak up,
Philip.
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We'll issue a press statement with
Phil's comment from the website.
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And let's see if he'll do a press
Association interview, at least.
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Just print, no TV.
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Let's announce an independent
inquiry into the allegations
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and into the actions of our staff.
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If there has been malpractice,
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we must show we're
keen as mustard to investigate.
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And we need support, too.
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Public support.
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Thanks, Chris. Any help in releasing
the data is hugely appreciated.
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We were wondering if your department
could give a statement to...
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I'll see what I can do. We really
need help on this one, Chris.
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Trevor, sorry, look, I've got to go.
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Sir David, have you
seen the CRU fallout?
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Christ, haven't I?
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What the bloody
hell were they thinking about?
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I mean, I wouldn't accept such loose
practices from my students.
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Well, siege mentality.
I mean, the deniers have had him
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in their sights for as long
as I can remember. That is...
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..precisely when
you have to be careful,
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when you think you're in a battle.
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I mean, not to put
the data in the public domain.
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Well, to be fair, Sir David, it
isn't theirs to give.
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What do you mean?
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Well, CRU built its models on data
from meteorological services.
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And sometimes, that data
comes with nondisclosure agreements.
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Sir David King, School of Enterprise
and the Environment,
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Oxford University.
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Thanks very much.
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I've been on the
phone all morning to the Met Office,
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putting pressure on them to give
clearance to release all the data.
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And? Not yet.
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Any news about the hack?
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Nothing I've heard. Any thoughts?
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Well, take your pick.
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Could be the Russians, the Saudis,
the oil companies,
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anybody who's got money in the game.
But you know, it's clever,
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going after the data
behind the modelling.
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I don't understand why everyone
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expects science models to be
perfect.
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I mean, no-one ever goes after
economic models, do they?
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No, that's because nobody's
trying to undermine the economics.
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LIFT BELL PINGS
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Do you really think it will affect
the COP in Copenhagen?
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Well, it might
scare the horses a bit,
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but no, this COP is
dead in the water anyway.
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You really think so? Come on, Chris.
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I mean, the USA are not going to
sign up to their commitment
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to carbon reductions
unless it's voluntary, and
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if they won't sign, then neither
will the Chinese or the Russians.
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Look, do what you can about getting
the Met to release that data.
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It could douse the flames.
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Now, the head of a British climate
research institute has
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stepped aside after leaked emails
were said to suggest that the
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case for global warming had
been exaggerated.
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Phil Jones, at the University
of East Anglia, will relinquish
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his duties while an
independent review is carried out.
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Our environment correspondent,
David Shukman...
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There are more stolen emails. No,
I... I'm saying there's a lot more.
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Almost 200,000 in total.
Shit! 200...?
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So, the really odd thing, that
they left the cache on the server.
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Which is almost like they, well...
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I guess it's almost like they wanted
us to know. What are you saying?
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Well, it means that CRU wasn't
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the only climate unit
that was attacked.
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There were more hacks? Attempts.
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CRU was the only
successful breach.
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What were the other attempts?
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OK, so, persons unknown posing
as network technicians tried to
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gain access to climate science
offices at the University
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of Victoria, British Columbia.
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And there were attempts to access
the servers at the Canadian
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Centre for Climatology and
Analysis, the National Center
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of Atmospheric Research in
Colorado,
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and an attempted unauthorised entry
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to the computer systems at the
State Department Climate Bureau.
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And when, when was all this?
This is all in the last 12 months.
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You do know he's the victim?
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It's his emails that were stolen.
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It's him that's being dragged
through the papers.
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Why aren't you going after
who did this?
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I realise this must be upsetting.
No-one's getting the truth.
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Just what they read, what they hear.
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Where are you going? Just
down to the station. We just... Why?
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We need to print the statement
and have it signed immediately.
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Well, use our bloody printer!
Ruth, it's fine.
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We'll be 30 minutes, I promise.
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This hockey stick graph,
the one that you
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mention in the interview, why is it
so important exactly?
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Well, it's...
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It's a reconstruction
of global temperature, a...
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..a window into the past,
I suppose, back 1,000 years.
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All these are decades here.
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That is the handle of the stick.
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And here, in the 19th century,
when industrialisation takes off,
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erm, up until now, that's the...
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..erm, that's the blade, when
temperatures increase dramatically.
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This is your work?
Well, I contributed.
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CRU was the first unit
to be dedicated to the
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subject of climate change.
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We devoted more time than
anyone else to...
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..to, erm...gather
the temperature data.
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It's not just from across the world,
but from across time.
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Wow.
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From before we had thermometer
readings, erm...
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..historical, erm, records,
ships' logs.
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And then even further back, er,
proxy data, such as tree rings
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and ice cores. I saw the tree
rings on the walls of your office.
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They're beautiful.
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Well, we... Erm...
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..all of that, the proxy and
historical data goes into the graph.
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That's... It, erm...
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..helps make the past...
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..readable.
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Best get you home, yeah.
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Thank you.
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Who's doing this, Trevor? Who knows?
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Plenty of vested interests
would like Copenhagen to fail.
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I know why they're doing it to us,
though.
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The hockey stick graph.
Yes...?
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The one showing the rise in global
temperatures?
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Yeah, CRU's work has been
keystone to that graph.
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I mean, it was meant to be
the final word in the debate.
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The science behind it is complex,
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though the way it conveys it is
simple, it cuts through the noise.
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That's what the sceptics don't like.
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Ever since it was published,
they've known, if they're to keep
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the debate going, they have to cast
doubt on the hockey stick.
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Crafty buggers.
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Sorry. That was a long one.
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Must have done
over 20 interviews now.
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It's like speaking into a storm.
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No-one can hear us.
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Or wants to.
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We're being drowned
out by a sigh of relief.
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Relief?
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Well, imagine if you woke up
tomorrow to be told you don't
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have to worry about climate change.
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Millions of dollars have
gone into the denial campaigns.
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And most of it to achieve
exactly this,
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to make the science seem uncertain.
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It's been going on for years,
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ever since we first started
talking about actually doing
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something about global warming.
Which was when, exactly?
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Oh, late '80s. So those campaigns...
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..essentially, they bought
themselves time with those millions.
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They've had decades to prepare
a receptive environment.
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Whoever hacked into us...
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All they had to do was release those
emails in the right places
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and sit back and watch.
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They've had 20 years to
prepare for this. We've had days.
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We need crisis management advice.
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It's a straight choice.
Duck it or fight it.
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But how do we fight it if the
world wants Phil and the data
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and we can't provide either.
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OK, well, if Phil can't do
the interviews, then you have to.
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What about the independent inquiry?
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No-one gets hacked for the sake
of it. There's always intent.
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00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,238
The UN Climate Conference, the COP,
it opens next week, right?
497
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,918
Yes. So, it's a strategy.
498
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,438
Someone's decided to take
positive action to...
499
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,398
We don't actually know if that's
the case. Nothing's a coincidence.
500
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,318
Sow doubt where there's certainty,
501
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,718
apply a minor inconsistency to
the entire evidence, discredit
502
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:53,078
a group of people, muddy the debate,
all to achieve policy outcry.
503
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,198
It's hardly new.
504
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,518
Straight out of the tobacco
companies' playbook
505
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,038
when they were stalling for time
on cigarettes and cancer. Mm.
506
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,038
Other interest groups have used
the same strategies around
507
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,598
pesticides, the ozone hole,
acid rain.
508
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,680
It's not like we haven't seen
these tactics before. No.
509
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,040
Never with the internet. The blocks.
510
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,880
Yeah, that IS new. I'll admit
there's no playbook for that.
511
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:25,480
Look...
512
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,280
This isn't going to be easy.
513
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,998
For a start, you're a...white,
middle-aged, posh man. Hm.
514
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,120
It's going to be hard for you to go
on TV and come across as likeable.
515
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,998
Yes...
516
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,400
Yes, I see.
517
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,560
It's your only choice.
518
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,080
Do nothing now...
519
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,440
..that's as good as being guilty.
520
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,438
Now, it's hard to believe that some
emails written on a university
521
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,078
campus in Norwich could be
quite so damaging.
522
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,478
Today, Saudi Arabia's chief climate
change negotiator, no less,
523
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,198
said the leaked emails
from scientists at the Climate
524
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,678
Research Unit at the University
of East Anglia will have a huge
525
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,160
impact on next week's Copenhagen
summit, even as it's...
526
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,000
You shouldn't be watching that.
Why not? It's what I've done.
527
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:31,640
That's not true.
528
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,520
They've finally found a way
to get me, Ruth.
529
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:42,600
And they'll, well...
530
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:49,160
..pull at this thread
until it all unravels!
531
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,600
They've won, Ruth. No. They haven't!
532
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,080
They know the truth is out
there now.
533
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,198
So all they can do is try to
find ways of delaying how soon it
534
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,438
reaches everyone.
535
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,798
That's not the actions of people
who've won. Philip,
536
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,160
that's the desperation of people
who've lost.
537
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,118
You're forgetting something.
538
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,000
What?
539
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,000
Not everyone wants the truth
to reach them.
540
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,440
So, what do you think?
I think they're screwed.
541
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,318
The blogs I get and the American
right wing networks,
542
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,798
but the mainstream
media following their lead...
543
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,838
The BBC, for Christ's sake!
544
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,398
Which is why we need to get him
out there. Phil?
545
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,480
We need to put a human face on this,
before the House of Commons hearing.
546
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,558
Get the public back on our side.
He could barely talk.
547
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,838
Which is why it has to be print.
548
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,278
No TV.
549
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,000
You're serious?
We'll have to coach him.
550
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,198
Sunday Times, front page.
Do you think they'll take it?
551
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,640
They'll love it!
552
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,598
It's what they've been baying for,
isn't it?
553
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,278
The man at the heart of it.
554
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,918
Edward tried his best,
but no-one wanted to know.
555
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,078
So we throw them to the lions.
556
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,478
With a couple of lion
tamers in the room.
557
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,358
But yeah, if it means we're the
ones feeding them for a bit.
558
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,238
That's exactly what we do.
559
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:16,718
No time for anything else.
560
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:20,120
Not with that House of Commons
committee breathing down our necks.
561
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,600
We'll coach him here. Today.
562
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,760
Are you sure this is the right...?
I'm positive.
563
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,960
Unless you want to cut him loose.
Out of the question.
564
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,518
Well, I had to check.
565
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,518
Because if it's the reputation
of the university you're trying
566
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,080
to save... It isn't.
567
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:52,158
It isn't? Well, yes, it is,
but that's no longer the priority.
568
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,278
This is about more than
the university now.
569
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,118
Much more. The science?
570
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,760
The truth.
Right. That's what's at stake here.
571
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,478
And who gets to tell the truth,
572
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,238
or not,
573
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:13,040
about something that affects every
living thing on the planet.
574
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,398
Mea culpa. That's what you open
with, before anything else.
575
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,598
I'll brief the journalists to
ask about the data stuff first,
576
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,278
the Freedom of Information request.
When he does, you put your hands up.
577
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,358
Admit you got it wrong... But those
requests, they weren't genuine.
578
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,358
Yes, we know...
The data was already...
579
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,118
But admitting that you got
frustrated,
580
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,758
you could have handled it better,
that's very relatable. Yeah.
581
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,398
Getting pissed off with a bunch
of timewasters who want to prove
582
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,318
you wrong, there's no shame in that.
No data was destroyed.
583
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:50,958
And that's exactly what you'll say,
584
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,598
after you've acknowledged what you
could have done better.
585
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,080
You say it then and people will
listen. It'll sound true.
586
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,280
It is true.
587
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,318
But I need to believe you
when you say it is.
588
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,120
That's all that matters.
589
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,398
Right, so, we take a little
bit of this and pop it in here.
590
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,278
And then, if you take your finger
and poke a nice hole in there.
591
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,438
That's it. And then,
what do you think you do?
592
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,520
Put an acorn in? Yes. Just the one.
593
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,000
There. Maybe a little bit more.
594
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,158
So, a trick is just a clever
way of doing something.
595
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,918
In statistical modelling, yes,
or in maths, a short cut.
596
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,918
It still sounds suspect.
A trick of the trade? A technique?
597
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,158
If you like,
a solution to a problem.
598
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,478
But nothing more? No. Good.
599
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,998
But then,
we get to hide the decline.
600
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,238
Sent everyone through the roof,
this one, hasn't it?
601
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:06,800
Sarah Palin, the US networks,
the papers.
602
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,598
What's your defence?
603
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,678
Because it had better be
a bloody good one.
604
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,358
In as few words as possible,
simple and short.
605
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,040
And in a way I'll believe it.
606
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,118
It's about tree rings.
607
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,918
What?
608
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,958
Well, the decline.
609
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,078
It isn't about temperatures.
610
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,520
Go on.
611
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:37,158
To predict the future, we've got
to understand the past.
612
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,440
Hubert Lamb's... I'm not interested.
Try again.
613
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,360
Go on, Phil.
614
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,918
Temperature records consist of two
kinds of measurements.
615
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,478
From around the mid 19th century, we
have actual instrument recordings...
616
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:57,800
Try it as a question.
617
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,118
Um...
618
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,198
How do we obtain
measurements from further back,
619
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,958
from before we have instrument
recordings? Good! I have no idea.
620
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,438
Educate me. How do we? We use, um,
proxy data... Sorry, Phil.
621
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,960
How else might you explain "proxy"?
What is it? Um...
622
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,240
The...
623
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,080
The natural world has a memory.
624
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:36,678
It can preserve the physical
characteristics of the past.
625
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:41,598
Past temperatures? Er, yes.
Um, and weather events.
626
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,598
What kind of characteristics?
627
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,480
Well, concentrations of oxygen
isotopes in ice.
628
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,998
Or the composition
and annual banding in corals.
629
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,638
Or the... The width and the density
of annual tree ring growth.
630
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,200
Tree rings?
631
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,798
Yes, they're wider in a season
of good growth, when it's warmer,
632
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,918
and narrower in a season of
restricted growth, when it's colder.
633
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,358
So, you add this stuff,
natural characteristics, to the
634
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,398
instrument measurements
and you get a record of temperatures
635
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,080
stretching back in time
before thermometers?
636
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,720
It isn't quite that simple.
Put simply, though, is Neil right?
637
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,638
Well, yes.
638
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,398
So, what's being hidden,
then, in the paper,
639
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,640
you were discussing in that email?
640
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,438
I was writing about one diagram,
641
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,160
not a scientific paper. Phil, split
any more hairs and I'll go bald.
642
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,198
It's OK, Phil.
Just try to answer the question.
643
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,480
What were you hiding?
644
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,560
This is the diagram.
645
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,878
The blue line is the hockey stick,
646
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,398
the red line is my own similar
reconstructions
647
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:19,038
and the green line was produced
by my colleague, Keith Briffa,
648
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,160
using tree ring density data.
649
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:28,078
Keith's data produced similar
results to my own reconstruction,
650
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:32,838
until 1960,
when it began to diverge.
651
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,158
Diverge? What do you mean?
652
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:40,078
Well, the real temperatures
increase sharply after 1960.
653
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:44,438
But the tree rings got narrower,
less dense,
654
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:49,278
as if the temperature was
decreasing, getting colder.
655
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,278
Why would they do that?
Well, we're not sure. Um...
656
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,438
Acid rain, or the depletion
in the ozone layer, but whatever
657
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,198
the cause, the tree ring data
658
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,358
becomes unreliable after 1960.
659
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,478
But if it's unreliable then, how do
we know it was any good before?
660
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:11,238
Its match to previous instrument
readings were strong
661
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:16,398
and universal all through the 19th
and 20th century until 1960.
662
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,320
But on the graph,
there's no divergence? Yes, and...
663
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,158
..I knew that the data became
unreliable,
664
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:30,518
so I included only the real
temperatures in the green line.
665
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,120
To hide the decline.
666
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,480
In tree ring density.
But not the temperature?
667
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,920
Well... There was
no decline in temperature to hide.
668
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,040
Every thermometer in the world
will say the opposite.
669
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,280
The temperatures were rising
all through that period.
670
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:58,920
And they still are.
671
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,118
Jesus!
672
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,960
They really screwed you over,
didn't they?
673
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,520
Both down? Flat out.
674
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,358
So, how's he doing, your scientist?
675
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,400
Not too great, to be honest.
676
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,638
And who do you think did
this to him?
677
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,200
The hack?
678
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,078
Who knows?
679
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:20,638
But whoever's behind what's happened
since knows their stuff.
680
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,678
I mean, a few months ago, there was
consensus on global warming.
681
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,840
Now, headlines across the world.
682
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,638
Could have all just happened?
683
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,278
Might not be
anyone behind it at all.
684
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:41,120
Some big players have had plans
for ages. Oil companies, especially.
685
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,600
They all want to stop the science
getting out there.
686
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:51,720
What's so crazy is they knew
more about it than anyone else.
687
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,398
All through the '80s, they had
the best climate scientists,
688
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,560
scenario planners...
689
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,438
And these guys, they're
telling them, the CEOs, the boards,
690
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,278
increasing CO2 in the atmosphere,
691
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,998
it's going to be a major
problem for the whole world.
692
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,718
Extreme weather, food shortages,
mass migrations...
693
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:16,240
So what did they do?
694
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,240
I can't believe I'm saying this,
but...
695
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,158
..they took all that,
696
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:33,158
all that knowledge, which they
had more of, in more detail,
697
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,238
and earlier than anyone else, and...
698
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:38,718
Well, they used it to get
ahead of the curve, to come
699
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:43,158
up with strategies to keep
the public uncertain, unconcerned.
700
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,838
What kind of strategies?
Front organisations, mostly.
701
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,678
Produce alternative research that
backed their message
702
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,118
and then pushed it to the media.
703
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,358
Ah, PR then.
704
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:54,720
Marketing.
705
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:57,600
Like what you do.
706
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,798
No, Dad.
707
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,160
At least with what I do, you
know who's pitching to you.
708
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,798
When I read the projections
about what could happen
709
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,160
if we don't do anything...
710
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:15,520
..and when I see those dates,
2040 to 2050...
711
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,640
..I can't help thinking how old
the girls will be.
712
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,480
What their lives will be like.
713
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,880
How do you know all this?
714
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,120
There's a paper trail.
715
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,718
If you know where to look.
716
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:34,678
You think it's the oil companies,
then, stole the emails?
717
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,080
Jesus, I don't know, Dad.
718
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:38,880
It's the internet.
719
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,240
A dark place,
filled with darker places.
720
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,198
I just hope we're doing
the right thing.
721
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,720
Why wouldn't you be?
722
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:54,360
This isn't a flagship store,
some new trainers.
723
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:58,240
If we get this wrong, it's...
724
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,600
It's game over for him.
725
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,558
Give Lily a birthday kiss from me.
726
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,240
Of course.
727
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:55,840
Um...
728
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,118
Um...
729
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:00,880
I'm...so sorry, Ruth.
730
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,400
You just call me when it's done...
731
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,600
..with that journalist.
732
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,240
SHE SOBS
733
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:54,920
Oh...God!
734
00:49:58,920 --> 00:49:59,960
Philip!
735
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,880
Good morning. Morning. Morning.
How are you? Good. Good. Good.
736
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:09,400
Are you ready? Yep.
737
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,118
You're going to be all right.
I'll introduce you to Richard.
738
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:15,680
Neil!
739
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,798
Thank you, love.
740
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,680
They've done this before, you know.
741
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,598
I'm sorry? Gone after people.
Scientists.
742
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,398
Just for doing their job.
He'll be fine. I promise.
743
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:31,758
I don't want your promises.
744
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,198
I want to be sure you know what
you're doing. Yes, we do.
745
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,718
I've been in this game
a long time. But it isn't!
746
00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:41,838
Don't you see that? Not to us.
I'm sorry, I... A game.
747
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,118
That's not what I meant.
That man in there,
748
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,558
the man you're about to let
the press at... Yeah.
749
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,838
..the press who've dragged him
through the mud for months,
he's my husband.
750
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,998
A father, a grandfather, someone
who's tried to spend his whole
751
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:57,038
life getting closer to the truth.
His work is important. I...
752
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:01,038
HE is important! So I bloody well
hope you do know what you're doing
753
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,158
because this might be just
a job to you, but for us,
754
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,920
we could lose everything! Do you
understand? Everything!
755
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:29,800
Do you have any regrets?
756
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,598
Well, I regret that
I didn't deal with
757
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,078
the Freedom of Information
request in a better way.
758
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,040
I... I misjudged the situation.
759
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:45,918
How, exactly?
760
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,400
Well, um...
761
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:53,198
According to the rules, we're
supposed to do 18 hours of work
762
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,998
on each one before we're allowed
to turn it down and, um,
763
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,758
we received 40 over one weekend,
764
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,638
all requesting the same
data from five different countries.
765
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,958
We were being targeted. You think
they wanted to waste your time?
766
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,278
Well, the data was available
elsewhere.
767
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,118
They were trying to slow us down,
take us away from our work.
768
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,680
And the messages you
sent about deleting the data?
769
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:22,958
Er, well, er... It wasn't
data. It was emails and, um...
770
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,638
Well, that was...
771
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,440
That was... Um...
772
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,678
Er...
773
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,918
Frustration, um...
774
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,760
They were written in anger.
775
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:37,960
But you did destroy the data?
776
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:44,678
Um, no. It wasn't our data to
destroy. It... We interpret it.
777
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,480
We don't create or collect it.
778
00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:50,758
So when the story broke,
this was all just before the
779
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:55,038
UN Climate Conference in Copenhagen,
right? Yes.
780
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,478
Did that worry you?
781
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,878
That your emails might be
responsible for undermining
782
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,918
the talks two months ago?
Yes. Yes, it did.
783
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,798
An opportunity the world
cannot afford to miss.
784
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,558
The UN Climate Conference gets
under way in Copenhagen.
785
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:09,878
The mood music is positive
786
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,958
and thousands of people have
converged on Copenhagen,
787
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,318
hoping that some sort of historic
deal might be within reach,
788
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,798
but there are a whole
range of really...
789
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,998
Surely, the CRU emails are going to
undermine the talks, aren't they?
790
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,398
The UN's chief climate scientist
has already said as such.
791
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,318
Look, I'm a member of the UK
negotiating team.
792
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,638
I know how this process works.
793
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,518
These negotiators are grown ups.
They know their science.
794
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,558
Some fabricated scandal is not going
to affect their opinion.
795
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,158
The Saudi negotiator has already
said the emails questions
796
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,238
the validity of this conference.
797
00:53:45,240 --> 00:53:48,278
Well, considering he's had breakfast
with a different oil company
798
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,638
every morning this week,
I suppose he would, wouldn't he?
799
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,718
Look, these talks might fail,
800
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:59,118
but it's not going to be
because of some stolen emails.
801
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,558
Any thoughts on who might have
stolen the emails?
802
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,518
Well, it seems coordinated, so I...
803
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,478
It could be an intelligence
operation.
804
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,598
The file was loaded on a server in
Tomsk. Do you think this was Russia?
805
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,518
Oh, yes, absolutely.
806
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,198
Well, I have seen
first-hand how active
807
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,558
they can be in stifling
the science of global warming,
808
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:23,238
but equally, it could also be
the American oil lobby system.
809
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:27,598
After all, they are the main
source of finance behind these
sort of things.
810
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:32,358
So you really think whoever did this
wasn't trying to derail the talks?
811
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,398
Was it a coincidence that
these emails were released
812
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,320
just before this COP?
Absolutely not!
813
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,438
But it's public opinion they're
trying to influence,
814
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,318
not these negotiations.
815
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,318
That's what will affect policy,
so no,
816
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,198
this conference is not their target,
817
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,758
but it is their stage.
818
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,838
The, um, hockey stick is
shattered beyond repair.
819
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:03,598
And we're talking about it today
because of Climategate.
820
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,958
It's a huge deal.
Don't take my word for it.
821
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,718
Just do an internet search
and here's what you find.
822
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:14,838
George Monbiot in the Guardian,
823
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:20,198
"Pretending this is not a real
crisis isn't going to make it
824
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:24,438
"go away.
Phil Jones has got to go."
825
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,918
Christopher Brooker,
the UK Telegraph, "This is the worst
826
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,520
"scientific scandal
of our generation."
827
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:39,478
The scientists involved in the CRU
controversy violated
828
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:44,078
fundamental ethical principles,
governing taxpayer funded research.
829
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:48,158
And in some cases, may have
violated federal laws.
830
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,798
Now, for this reason,
831
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:55,038
I am calling for the following key
players to be investigated
832
00:55:55,040 --> 00:56:00,078
with possible referral to the US
Justice Department for prosecution -
833
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,680
Phil Jones, Keith Briffa.
834
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:07,640
CRASHING WAVE
835
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,080
And, um...
836
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:40,840
..some of these messages you
received...
837
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,080
..were they death threats? Yes.
838
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,320
And if you don't mind me asking...
839
00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:53,440
..what would they say, exactly?
840
00:56:56,720 --> 00:56:59,398
Well, that they knew where I lived.
841
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:00,880
That...
842
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,160
..I should kill myself.
843
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:08,760
And if I didn't...
844
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,040
..they'd do it for me.
845
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:16,960
And did, um...
846
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,240
Did you ever think about that?
847
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:25,280
About suicide?
848
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:32,640
Yes.
849
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,520
Several times.
850
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,120
And what, um...
I know this is difficult.
851
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:46,920
But what stopped you?
852
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:00,480
Lily.
853
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:03,960
Lily.
854
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,480
CHILD'S LAUGHTER
855
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,318
Think, Mrs Jones, somewhere
he goes regularly to, you know, mull
856
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,600
over stuff, of to get away from
things? No. No, not without...
857
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,520
Not... Philip?
CAR PULLING UP
858
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,360
You... You...
SOBBING
859
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:16,400
All right, all right.
860
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,238
All right, I've got you.
861
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,280
I've got you.
862
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,158
How did it go?
What did you tell them?
863
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,280
Oh, just everything that we
talked about. Good. And...
864
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,398
And what, Philip?
865
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,278
Well, and, um...
866
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,440
About when I, um...
867
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:51,238
Went... When I didn't, you know,
um... When's it going out?
868
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:55,078
Tomorrow. Well, I mean, I can...
Nana! I'm sure they won't use it.
869
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,838
Do you want me to call Neil?
I can... I can...
870
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,838
Tell him that... I'm going
to have to warn Matthew. Why?
871
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,638
Ruth... Why?
872
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,358
Because now they'll know you've
got a granddaughter.
873
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,840
Those people.
They'll know about Lily.
874
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,638
You... You call Neil
and we'll speak later. Well...
875
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:16,800
But...
876
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,798
You didn't ask them to remove the
suicide stuff? It's the best bit.
877
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,198
Takes the heat off Phil
for a week or two.
878
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,638
Puts a face to it. A life.
879
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,958
Reminds people he's a person,
a grandfather.
880
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,960
That's what
we need before the hearing.
881
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,238
What about the hack? Who did this?
How did they do it?
882
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,198
Why did they do it?
I mean, where are the interviews
with the security
883
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:20,918
correspondents, cyber experts?
884
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,278
Not the story. Since
when is the crime not the story?
885
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,358
When what it achieved is more
interesting.
886
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,158
Have you seen these poll
figures from the US,
887
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,720
conducted in the months after
the leak went viral?
888
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:37,358
"59% of Americans say scientists
have falsified research data to
889
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,718
"support their beliefs
about global warming.
890
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,998
"Only 26% take the opposite view."
891
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,880
It's worked, hasn't it? Yeah.
892
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:52,038
What we need is a proper deflection,
someone to point the finger at.
893
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,880
A likely suspect for who did
the hack, or who was behind it.
894
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,558
The hacker gave the emails file
names, linked to the date
895
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,518
and time that the email was sent.
896
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,838
They must have written a program
to extract the date and time from
897
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:11,478
the text and a tool to convert that
to the number of seconds elapsed.
898
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,598
If the times when the email was sent
899
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,718
and the time zone on the computer
the hacker was using to process
900
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,558
the emails differed, then the file
name generator will be incorrect.
901
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:25,278
For example, an email
sent from Greenwich Mean Time would
902
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,438
give us an error of five hours.
903
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,238
Now, this five hour
mismatch could be later,
904
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:35,838
placing the location in this
time zone, Russia and Pakistan,
905
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:40,000
or earlier, in this location,
on the East Coast of America.
906
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:45,758
Now, emails from this time zone
give us an error or zero hours.
907
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,038
Indicating that's where the
emails were processed?
908
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,638
East Coast of the US?
909
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,638
Yes. Well, that's going to
go down well, isn't it?
910
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:57,438
Now, it is possible that the hacker
reset his computer to avoid
911
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,998
detection. What's GCHQ's input?
912
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,558
They confirm
the Department of Energy
913
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:06,078
and Climate Change has been
an intelligence collection
914
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,638
target for China and Russia,
but in terms of active state action
915
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,958
and these kind of tactics,
in this area...
916
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,078
Why do the dirty work yourself, if
you can pull the strings remotely?
917
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:16,678
Smart.
918
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:20,118
And if we follow the money,
where does that take us?
919
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,958
Well, Russia does have a huge
oil industry.
920
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,518
And with the melting
of the ice caps, it is
921
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,318
looking to exploit the Arctic,
but...
922
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,358
Yes, if you really want to follow
the money, it takes us
923
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,958
back here, to the US.
924
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,958
Oil lobbies. Exxon, Koch Brothers.
925
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,038
They're the ones with real
skin in the game.
926
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,638
Someone out there knows
who did this.
927
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,478
Who the gun for hire hacker
was and who was paying them.
928
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,598
How the
hell are we meant to find them,
929
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,720
if the internet makes
a joke of the search?
930
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,200
OK, let's try again.
931
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:07,958
Like this...
932
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,480
The facts are this.
933
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,640
The facts are this.
934
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:21,558
This is a House of Commons select
committee. They'll be out for meat.
935
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,320
You've got to get them on side.
936
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,080
You do know what's at stake here?
937
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,078
Oh...
938
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:39,318
What I don't get is,
this is all you've ever done.
939
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:43,678
For the last 30 years, you've stuck
it out, you've been loyal, whatever.
940
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,318
This has been your life!
941
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,518
I mean, don't you care?!
942
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:50,840
Yes.
943
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,600
What? Yes! I do care!
944
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,240
Maybe...
945
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:03,438
Phil.
946
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:04,760
Phil?
947
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,280
What do you want me not to say?
948
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,040
I don't want you not to say
anything.
949
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,758
I just want you to tell the truth.
950
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:52,078
But in a way that it can be
understood. Short answers.
951
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:53,480
No jargon.
952
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,198
Why does this all matter?
953
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:05,638
What?
954
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:07,318
Well...
955
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,840
Because what's... What they...
956
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:15,958
Because it isn't true.
957
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:17,960
Right. But beyond that?
958
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,158
What happens if they win?
959
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,880
What happens if everyone ignores
your measurements, your graphs?
960
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,638
Well...
961
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:33,278
I suppose we'll just carry on
emitting more greenhouse gases.
962
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,318
Global temperatures will
continue to increase.
963
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,718
And if we do that,
what actually happens?
964
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:43,078
Well, the projection hasn't changed.
It's still the same.
965
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:44,598
The same as what?
966
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:48,040
As when US scientists first
studied it in the '70s.
967
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:50,400
Go on.
968
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:56,038
Well, a doubling of CO2 emissions
in the atmosphere will
969
01:06:56,040 --> 01:07:00,478
result in a 1.5 to 4.5 degree
increase.
970
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,680
In what?
Average surface temperature.
971
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:11,038
Polar amplification will mean
that melting in the poles will be
greater.
972
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:14,838
Maybe as much as ten degrees.
973
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,238
What happens, Phil,
974
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,118
for our children
975
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:23,320
and their children?
No numbers, just the consequences.
976
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:33,200
Well...
977
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,878
By 2100,
978
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:41,798
dust bowl conditions
across North America and Africa,
979
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:43,600
Asia too.
980
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:50,078
Sooner than that,
a massive reduction in agricultural
981
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,558
production,
access to drinking water,
982
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,960
migration in huge numbers.
983
01:07:58,040 --> 01:07:59,120
Um...
984
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:05,680
Bushfires on a massive scale
in Australia, the West Coast.
985
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:13,438
Annual melting at the poles,
the West Antarctic ice sheet,
986
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,198
well, because of that,
987
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:20,640
the global sea level rise of,
well...
988
01:08:22,440 --> 01:08:23,678
..metres.
989
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:28,438
But what does that all mean for us?
People.
990
01:08:28,440 --> 01:08:30,158
Make me see it, Phil.
991
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:31,880
Well...
992
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:34,640
In this worst case scenario...
993
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:41,118
..70% of the habitable world will
no longer be able to sustain
994
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:42,600
human life.
995
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,640
Millions of species will become
extinct.
996
01:08:50,440 --> 01:08:52,920
And coastal
and delta cities will be underwater.
997
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:55,800
And, well...
998
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:02,638
..if the methane in the permafrost
and on the seabed is released,
999
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:03,840
well...
1000
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:05,960
Yes?
1001
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:10,920
The climate will collapse.
1002
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:15,520
And the world as we know it...
1003
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:19,200
..will be gone.
1004
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,758
Now, we know there are some people
out there who think
1005
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,878
everything you've just said
is bollocks.
1006
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,560
Maybe even some of the hearing
committee, who knows?
1007
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:45,758
But if you can remember
everything you just said
1008
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:49,160
when you're answering them, no
matter how dry those answers are...
1009
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,120
..then we don't have
to worry about it.
1010
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:02,480
Let's take a break.
1011
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:09,598
Anything?
1012
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:13,638
It's the same names cropping up
again and again.
1013
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:16,918
With tobacco in the '70s,
acid rain in the '80s,
1014
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:18,678
and now with global warming.
1015
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,760
It's not just the same strategy,
it's the same bloody people.
1016
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:26,520
But all this now with Phil,
the emails, it's just...
1017
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,560
The latest battle in the longer war.
1018
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:35,480
It always is, son.
1019
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:38,720
You'll come to see that.
1020
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:42,760
It always is.
1021
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:51,880
They're going to tear him apart.
1022
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:55,760
We've still got a couple more days.
1023
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,958
We'll have to rehearse
the hell out of him.
1024
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,598
Choreograph it step by step.
1025
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,840
Royal Ballet will have nothing on us
by the time we're done.
1026
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:23,478
So why not release the data?
Shouldn't everyone get to see it?
1027
01:11:23,480 --> 01:11:26,798
Don't focus on how you feel,
focus on how you come across.
1028
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:30,798
How is someone sitting
there on the other side seeing you?
1029
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:35,158
The select committee hearing is
your only chance to defend yourself.
1030
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,118
So, how is that right,
1031
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:40,118
to stop other scientists
publishing their findings?
1032
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:43,280
Weren't you just using your position
to quash other opinions?
1033
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:49,638
Yes or no, did you ask
your colleagues to delete emails?
1034
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:51,798
There was no manipulation, yup...
1035
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:55,238
So you've been manipulating
the historic records, is that right?
1036
01:11:55,240 --> 01:12:01,278
So, there was no manipulation,
just adjustment in the pursuit
1037
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:05,278
of accuracy
because that's how science works.
1038
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,000
That's...how we get to the truth.
1039
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,438
SLOW CLAPPING
1040
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:16,120
APPLAUSE
1041
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,920
Well done, Phil. Well done!
1042
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,200
How are you feeling?
1043
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:45,440
Just show them who you are.
1044
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:48,320
What else can I do? No, I...
1045
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,000
Do you remember when we first met?
1046
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,638
In the halls of residence?
1047
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:03,158
I was playing darts and your room
was on the other side of the wall.
1048
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:06,318
You came out to ask us to be quiet.
It was... It was distracting.
1049
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:07,800
I know!
1050
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:16,758
The way you asked us,
the way you carried yourself.
1051
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:19,720
I could tell straight away,
here was a good man.
1052
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:24,840
A kind man.
1053
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:28,400
A man of integrity.
1054
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:35,360
All the pieces of that
man are still here, Philip...
1055
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:40,920
..which means so is he.
1056
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,680
That's who I want you to show them.
1057
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:25,720
You'll be fine, Phil.
Watch your shoe.
1058
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:35,078
Here we are. OK, so, good luck
gentlemen. You're not coming in?
1059
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:38,438
Not going to help your cause
if the press see me in there.
1060
01:14:38,440 --> 01:14:40,440
Keep to the brief. Good luck.
1061
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:46,358
This is the only day of verbal
evidence for the select committee
1062
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:48,878
and they're keen to
hear from their star witness,
1063
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:52,518
the former head of the climate
research unit at the University
1064
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:56,678
of East Anglia, and the subject
of many of those emails, Phil Jones.
1065
01:14:56,680 --> 01:15:00,278
This is the first time he's come
under close public scrutiny.
1066
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:05,358
So, shall we begin,
Professor Jones, Professor Acton?
1067
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:10,198
Thank you. I do have a general
statement I'd like to make. No.
1068
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:12,198
No general statements, please.
1069
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:15,360
Oh, Jesus! Just answer the questions
when you're asked them.
1070
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:22,198
Perhaps I could just go back to one
of Lord Lawson's earlier comments.
1071
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:23,598
What did I miss?
1072
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:27,918
That without an understanding
of the methodology, that the
1073
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:32,480
peer review system is rather
defunct?
1074
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,358
Well, the, um...
1075
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,838
The methods are published in the
1076
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:43,038
scientific papers, um, that...
1077
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:46,198
That... That... Relatively simple.
1078
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:50,038
There's nothing sort of rocket
science about them. They're...
1079
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:54,798
Can you explain your email exchange
on the 21st of January 2005,
1080
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:58,158
when you say you aren't going to...
How are they doing?
1081
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:01,958
Not bad.
..Find something wrong with it?
1082
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:06,238
That's the nature of scientific
pursuits, isn't it?
1083
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:10,360
Well, I've obviously written
some very awful emails.
CHUCKLING
1084
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:18,800
Let's get you home.
1085
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:00,680
You found him.
1086
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,318
..To look at the key works of CRU,
1087
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:35,478
to reaffirm the sure-fire
quality of the science
1088
01:18:35,480 --> 01:18:39,198
and my I end by saying
just how proud
1089
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:44,358
I am of the contribution that UEA
and CRU in particular has
1090
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:50,600
made to humanity's ability
to understand climate change.
1091
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:55,080
So, what happens now?
1092
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:58,240
We wait.
1093
01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:13,080
We wait.
1094
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:43,398
Ah, Trevor.
Do you know what time the select
committee will publish their report?
1095
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:47,200
Some time in the morning,
so they said. Right.
1096
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,960
Are you familiar with
the Fermi paradox...
1097
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:57,958
..the contradiction of lack
of evidence for alien life,
1098
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:03,078
and considering the size
and age of the universe,
1099
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:06,398
the high possibility
of its existence? Yes, yes.
1100
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:08,280
The great science. Yeah.
1101
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:15,758
I read a paper yesterday that
suggested climate change
1102
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:17,520
might be the answer.
1103
01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:23,760
There have perhaps been other
civilisations, thousands...
1104
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,758
..but they all did what
we're doing now,
1105
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:32,078
became more and more advanced
and in doing so... Yes, I see.
1106
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:34,560
..burnt themselves out.
Bright and brief.
1107
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,918
It does make you wonder, doesn't it,
1108
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:46,280
if all this we're
fighting against is, well...
1109
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,038
..possibly what we're meant to do?
1110
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,478
I'll admit humanity does
have something of a gift
1111
01:20:53,480 --> 01:20:56,638
for normalising great change,
1112
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,118
even when it threatens us.
1113
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:02,478
But we do also have a
gift for survival
1114
01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:06,600
against predators, disease,
dictators.
1115
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:10,280
We do somehow survive.
1116
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:17,358
Even if how we live is
the danger?
1117
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,760
You have to hope so, don't you?
1118
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:25,400
Goodnight, Trevor.
1119
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:59,720
"The focus on Professor Phil
Jones and CRU has been...
1120
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:03,480
"Has been misplaced.
1121
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:09,398
"Within the inquiry,
and the evidence we took,
1122
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:12,238
"the scientific
reputation of Professor Jones
1123
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:14,518
"and CRU remains intact.
1124
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:18,240
"We have found no reason in
this unfortunate episode...
1125
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:23,318
"..to challenge the scientific
consensus that global warming
1126
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:26,238
"is happening
and is induced by human activity.
1127
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:29,918
"In so far as we've been able to
consider accusations of dishonesty,
1128
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,958
"for example, Professor Jones'
alleged attempt to hide
1129
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:34,960
"the decline, we consider
there is...
1130
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:41,280
"There is no case to answer."
1131
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:10,238
..The work done by CRU and have
no doubt that for all of us,
1132
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:16,118
our children and our grandchildren,
Phil Jones was
1133
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:20,878
and is the right man
in the right place
1134
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:22,360
at the right time.
1135
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:25,798
Phil Jones.
1136
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:27,600
Phil Jones. Phil Jones.
1137
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:34,558
All the other reports reached
the same conclusion.
1138
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,880
There were seven,
in total, by the end.
1139
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:43,438
Even one that no-one knew about,
the...
1140
01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:46,240
The United States Environmental
Protection Agency?
1141
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:50,320
"A manufactured controversy".
1142
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:53,560
That's what they called it.
1143
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:02,198
For us though, it didn't feel like
we could even begin to move on
1144
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:07,598
until two years later when this big
project in California happened.
1145
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:12,680
Berkeley Earth, it was called, set
up to prove Philip's work was wrong.
1146
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:15,240
Anyway...
1147
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:20,398
..they took all the
data CRU had used
1148
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,960
and started from scratch.
1149
01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:30,318
With some known sceptics on the team
too, even Steve Mosher,
1150
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:33,040
the man who first picked out
those extracts.
1151
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:37,118
The Trick, Hide the Decline.
1152
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:38,840
Even him.
1153
01:24:40,440 --> 01:24:42,480
And what do you know?
1154
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:46,960
Came up with the same
results as Philip.
1155
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:51,720
The same results.
1156
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:56,318
Phil.
1157
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:58,438
It's... Sam.
1158
01:25:58,440 --> 01:26:00,120
I remember.
1159
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:04,640
How are you?
1160
01:26:06,440 --> 01:26:07,918
I'm very good.
1161
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:10,278
Yes, good, good. Yeah.
1162
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,160
Oh, this is me.
1163
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:17,118
Good to see you. And you, Sam.
1164
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:18,438
Yeah.
1165
01:26:18,440 --> 01:26:19,958
Yeah, take care.
1166
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:21,440
Yeah, and you.
1167
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:00,678
Everything that happened back then,
the hacking,
1168
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:02,518
other campaigns,
1169
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:06,358
it had a significant
effect on public opinion.
1170
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:10,438
Cost us between eight to ten years,
according to some studies.
1171
01:27:10,440 --> 01:27:15,518
A decade, so, yes, we could have
had 20 years to sort this out,
1172
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,758
but now, we've only got around ten.
1173
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:20,120
If that.
1174
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,958
And who's pushing
hardest for action?
1175
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:30,440
The children, people Lily's age,
which does give me some hope.
1176
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:37,398
They understand, you see,
what needs to be done.
1177
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:38,998
And who knows?
1178
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,078
If it only took one generation
to break the planet,
1179
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:44,520
why can't it take just
one to fix it?
1180
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:52,120
I know we should have more time,
but at least we do still have time.
1181
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:56,160
Just.
155573
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