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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,972 --> 00:00:18,977 I promised not to speak of going there or meeting him. 2 00:00:20,771 --> 00:00:22,940 The journeys, the houses… 3 00:00:24,107 --> 00:00:25,609 that was part of the vow. 4 00:00:27,736 --> 00:00:31,281 It was so beautiful to be part of the sisterhood. 5 00:00:32,031 --> 00:00:36,203 I promised not to share any of it. 6 00:00:42,709 --> 00:00:46,505 Every guru says, "But our members are free… 7 00:00:47,297 --> 00:00:51,009 There are no chains round their ankles, nor round their arms." 8 00:00:53,262 --> 00:00:55,764 It's just trusting the guru, like… 9 00:00:55,848 --> 00:00:59,309 There's nothing naive on trusting a guru to guide you. Right? 10 00:01:00,686 --> 00:01:02,229 I just wanted to practice yoga. 11 00:01:03,230 --> 00:01:04,897 I didn't know that sex was involved 12 00:01:05,524 --> 00:01:07,985 until I had been locked in a house for five days. 13 00:01:09,945 --> 00:01:14,825 This lack of freedom comes from the cage in their mind, 14 00:01:15,450 --> 00:01:18,370 a cage which the guru has put in their heads. 15 00:01:20,497 --> 00:01:23,375 French law is specific. 16 00:01:23,917 --> 00:01:27,171 If you are abusing people who are under your influence, 17 00:01:27,254 --> 00:01:29,047 that's a big problem. 18 00:01:29,590 --> 00:01:32,843 I cannot sit on my hands and do nothing. 19 00:01:58,619 --> 00:02:01,538 I went on the train to Paris. 20 00:02:03,582 --> 00:02:06,877 The receptionist at Tara Yoga Centre in London, 21 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,755 she sent me the number for a woman I'd never met. 22 00:02:11,048 --> 00:02:12,090 I think she was Romanian, 23 00:02:12,174 --> 00:02:14,134 and I had to communicate with her via Telegram. 24 00:02:14,218 --> 00:02:17,054 So via a secure messaging app. 25 00:02:17,137 --> 00:02:19,181 But she said I had to… There was an understanding 26 00:02:19,264 --> 00:02:22,017 I had to delete those messages as soon as she'd sent them. 27 00:02:24,770 --> 00:02:27,481 She was telling me that it was absolutely secret, 28 00:02:27,564 --> 00:02:29,441 and I couldn't tell anyone where I was going. 29 00:02:32,402 --> 00:02:37,699 And I had to just tell my parents that I was going on a silent retreat 30 00:02:37,783 --> 00:02:38,784 in Denmark. 31 00:02:39,535 --> 00:02:41,828 It was easier to not question. 32 00:02:41,912 --> 00:02:46,124 Just go with it and just trust that I was where I was meant to be. 33 00:02:48,669 --> 00:02:53,048 That was how I got around the fact that I was gonna be uncontactable. 34 00:02:59,638 --> 00:03:03,934 My invitation came after the end of the second year. 35 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,520 It said, "You've been invited to meet Grieg. 36 00:03:06,895 --> 00:03:10,357 It's a spiritual retreat, it's gonna be really beneficial for you." 37 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,610 I flew there from Copenhagen to Paris. 38 00:03:18,657 --> 00:03:19,741 At the train station 39 00:03:19,825 --> 00:03:22,244 a girl came to me and she said, "Are you Claire?" 40 00:03:22,327 --> 00:03:23,328 Claire's my middle name. 41 00:03:23,412 --> 00:03:25,330 I don't know why they thought my name was Claire. 42 00:03:25,414 --> 00:03:27,791 She's like, "Are you Claire?" I said, "Well, no, I'm Ashleigh." 43 00:03:27,875 --> 00:03:29,668 And she… 44 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:32,588 took me to a car. 45 00:03:34,590 --> 00:03:36,258 I had to give her my phone. 46 00:03:38,510 --> 00:03:41,471 She took the SIM card out of the phone, and wrapped that in foil. 47 00:03:41,555 --> 00:03:42,848 Wrapped the phone in foil. 48 00:03:43,390 --> 00:03:47,936 She said, "Oh, we're like the FBI, you know, or the CIA." 49 00:03:48,020 --> 00:03:49,188 And they said, 50 00:03:49,271 --> 00:03:51,565 "For your protection, we need to… 51 00:03:51,648 --> 00:03:53,567 it's important you don't know where we're going. 52 00:03:53,650 --> 00:03:56,486 And so in order to do that, I need you to wear this hat 53 00:03:56,570 --> 00:03:58,655 and sunglasses that are blacked out." 54 00:04:01,533 --> 00:04:05,537 They said that INTERPOL have a warrant out for his arrest. 55 00:04:07,289 --> 00:04:10,918 The spiritual guide, he was a fugitive and he was in hiding. 56 00:04:11,877 --> 00:04:16,673 And they said he was a victim of human rights violations. 57 00:04:17,757 --> 00:04:22,930 The corrupt Romanian police had been responsible for this. 58 00:04:25,098 --> 00:04:28,727 I was nervous, but there's this overall trust of the organization, 59 00:04:28,810 --> 00:04:31,480 like, "Okay, there's a secret thing happening. 60 00:04:31,563 --> 00:04:32,856 They're trying to protect us. 61 00:04:32,940 --> 00:04:36,401 We need to not know where he is because he's in hiding. 62 00:04:36,485 --> 00:04:39,196 Because all of these things have happened to him." Right? 63 00:04:43,951 --> 00:04:45,244 He wasn't really… 64 00:04:46,036 --> 00:04:50,165 showcased all that much to the men in the school. 65 00:04:51,166 --> 00:04:52,793 So I was curious. 66 00:04:54,503 --> 00:05:00,884 I also asked whether my tantric partners had seen him as well or visited. 67 00:05:00,968 --> 00:05:02,469 When they quickly dismissed it 68 00:05:02,553 --> 00:05:06,390 and made it very clear to me that, no, they've not seen him. 69 00:05:07,266 --> 00:05:09,560 I had no reason to not believe them. 70 00:05:09,643 --> 00:05:11,645 I just thought, "Oh, okay." 71 00:05:11,728 --> 00:05:15,774 But that was the, sort of, first time I actually did question, 72 00:05:15,858 --> 00:05:19,736 "Are there people going to see him that we're not really aware of?" 73 00:05:19,820 --> 00:05:21,822 There are all these hidden camps and retreats 74 00:05:21,905 --> 00:05:24,491 that people just disappear for weeks on end. 75 00:05:25,826 --> 00:05:28,579 And you hadn't told Ziggy? 76 00:05:29,037 --> 00:05:30,037 No. 77 00:05:30,831 --> 00:05:33,083 - Why? - 'Cause I couldn't. 78 00:05:33,166 --> 00:05:35,961 Like, I had made a vow. I wasn't allowed to talk to anyone. 79 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,549 So I couldn't say to Ziggy. I was, like, under oath. 80 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,973 There was some interesting pieces through the media back in Romania. 81 00:05:50,017 --> 00:05:52,060 All of these wacky stories. 82 00:05:52,728 --> 00:05:55,147 These constant scandals. 83 00:05:56,148 --> 00:05:57,524 Our teacher told us, 84 00:05:57,941 --> 00:06:03,280 "He was wrongly prosecuted back then. The same thing's happening now." 85 00:06:03,655 --> 00:06:06,074 And that's pretty much all we were told. 86 00:06:09,912 --> 00:06:13,207 I got the sense that we were driving pretty far away from the city 87 00:06:13,290 --> 00:06:14,666 into the suburbs. 88 00:06:15,751 --> 00:06:17,794 I was just telling myself, "Surrender." 89 00:06:19,463 --> 00:06:20,672 "Just surrender." 90 00:06:21,798 --> 00:06:22,966 "Surrender." 91 00:06:25,052 --> 00:06:27,262 Eventually, we pulled up at this house, 92 00:06:27,346 --> 00:06:29,556 and with the hat and glasses still on, 93 00:06:30,474 --> 00:06:32,142 I was taken inside. 94 00:06:36,021 --> 00:06:37,523 The house confirmed for me 95 00:06:37,606 --> 00:06:39,733 that we were definitely in a suburban area. 96 00:06:39,816 --> 00:06:43,487 It was a three-story house. It was quite big, it had lots of bedrooms. 97 00:06:44,905 --> 00:06:48,951 And the fence had this, kind of, like, greenish, sort of… 98 00:06:49,493 --> 00:06:51,286 almost like a tarp, or a netting. 99 00:07:00,879 --> 00:07:05,217 Gregorian Bivolaru has been known to French authorities since 2016. 100 00:07:09,137 --> 00:07:13,058 But before then, we knew that it wasn't a normal yoga movement. 101 00:07:16,353 --> 00:07:21,608 MISA had already been reported to the local police, 102 00:07:22,401 --> 00:07:27,447 because their activities raised the neighbors' suspicions. 103 00:07:29,658 --> 00:07:33,579 Our investigations identified half a dozen locations, 104 00:07:35,914 --> 00:07:38,876 involving many, many participants and many victims, 105 00:07:40,210 --> 00:07:43,630 potentially over a very long period of time. 106 00:07:45,632 --> 00:07:50,012 And the question we were asking ourselves at that point was: 107 00:07:50,095 --> 00:07:55,684 Is this a case of organized crime? Is it kidnapping? Human trafficking? 108 00:07:55,767 --> 00:07:57,686 Or is this a cult crime? 109 00:08:02,816 --> 00:08:05,152 We go into the house… 110 00:08:06,153 --> 00:08:07,446 and… 111 00:08:07,529 --> 00:08:11,074 there were these two girls just lying on the couch watching pornography. 112 00:08:11,158 --> 00:08:13,243 Like, hardcore porn, on the television. 113 00:08:14,912 --> 00:08:17,956 And they just sort of giggled and switched it off and scattered around. 114 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:19,666 Scattered off to another room. 115 00:08:21,877 --> 00:08:24,087 Then they settled me into my room. 116 00:08:28,217 --> 00:08:31,136 When I arrived, there were over 20 people. 117 00:08:31,220 --> 00:08:32,220 All women. 118 00:08:32,763 --> 00:08:36,433 And some of them were girls that were just in the process, 119 00:08:36,517 --> 00:08:37,934 the same as us, just visiting. 120 00:08:38,018 --> 00:08:43,273 And others were controlling the operation or in some position of authority. 121 00:08:45,442 --> 00:08:49,029 Those were the ones who received us and they're all Romanian. 122 00:08:49,112 --> 00:08:53,784 So anyone in any position of authority, while I was in Paris, is Romanian. 123 00:08:54,409 --> 00:08:55,494 And there's this feeling 124 00:08:55,577 --> 00:08:58,247 that you're inside this well-oiled machine. 125 00:09:01,583 --> 00:09:03,669 The first thing they did is they went through all of our bags, 126 00:09:03,752 --> 00:09:05,462 and they looked for certain things. 127 00:09:05,546 --> 00:09:07,923 Maybe an extra phone or some other paperwork. 128 00:09:08,006 --> 00:09:10,926 And they took anything, any identifying details 129 00:09:11,009 --> 00:09:13,220 and any electronic devices. 130 00:09:14,513 --> 00:09:16,890 And then they introduced the program, 131 00:09:16,974 --> 00:09:20,435 and they said you'll eventually be taken to meet Grieg. 132 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:21,603 But before that happens 133 00:09:21,687 --> 00:09:24,022 there's all of these other things you need to do. 134 00:09:26,775 --> 00:09:28,402 I had to do the vows. 135 00:09:28,485 --> 00:09:31,029 Again, putting my hand on the Bible 136 00:09:31,113 --> 00:09:33,782 and taking those vows on my health and my spiritual evolution, 137 00:09:33,866 --> 00:09:36,910 that I would never speak of anything that happened there. 138 00:09:36,994 --> 00:09:42,082 Then I had to write on these forms, agreeing to punishments. 139 00:09:42,165 --> 00:09:44,668 One of the things I had to sign was agreeing to the punishment 140 00:09:44,751 --> 00:09:48,046 of shaving my head for five years, immediately, 141 00:09:48,130 --> 00:09:52,217 if I was caught trying to steal any of the secret teachings 142 00:09:52,301 --> 00:09:53,427 from the house. 143 00:09:55,512 --> 00:10:00,225 And knowing that in tantra, sexual initiation was a thing, 144 00:10:00,309 --> 00:10:02,436 I had gathered this impression that… 145 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,191 it was likely that these sexual initiations were happening, 146 00:10:07,274 --> 00:10:10,652 and that the spiritual guide was probably engaging in them. 147 00:10:16,366 --> 00:10:17,367 I knew… 148 00:10:18,327 --> 00:10:21,038 I knew that it would be a sexual initiation. 149 00:10:21,121 --> 00:10:25,209 And here was this opportunity for… 150 00:10:26,168 --> 00:10:29,004 beyond satisfaction. 151 00:10:29,087 --> 00:10:31,715 A kind of ultimate happiness and enlightenment. 152 00:10:32,466 --> 00:10:34,218 It was a promise: 153 00:10:34,927 --> 00:10:39,890 "You will experience these things and everything will change." 154 00:10:45,854 --> 00:10:48,190 I grew up in Oxford. 155 00:10:50,484 --> 00:10:52,361 I had a privileged upbringing. 156 00:10:52,444 --> 00:10:55,280 We were very lucky. 157 00:10:56,114 --> 00:10:59,660 I went to a private school. We went on great holidays. 158 00:11:01,745 --> 00:11:05,916 I was a very sensitive child. Very shy. 159 00:11:07,251 --> 00:11:09,670 I changed quite a lot as a teenager. 160 00:11:10,337 --> 00:11:16,718 You know, we started to go out drinking and, you know, smoking, and… 161 00:11:17,636 --> 00:11:18,636 having fun. 162 00:11:24,434 --> 00:11:28,522 I reached a point in my late twenties when I was partying a lot, 163 00:11:28,605 --> 00:11:31,275 I was in quite a difficult relationship. 164 00:11:31,900 --> 00:11:35,529 I noticed there was a pattern in terms of the relationships that I was in 165 00:11:35,612 --> 00:11:37,614 and the type of people I was attracted to. 166 00:11:38,073 --> 00:11:41,827 And my answer would be to go out and get wasted. 167 00:11:42,578 --> 00:11:45,873 It numbed the feelings temporarily. 168 00:11:46,498 --> 00:11:50,836 When I was 29, I started going to 12-step groups. 169 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:53,881 I really cut down on the partying. 170 00:11:54,798 --> 00:11:58,510 And I started to look into yoga and meditation. 171 00:12:01,555 --> 00:12:05,976 So when I found Tara Yoga Centre, 172 00:12:08,770 --> 00:12:12,024 there was a sense of, like, a click. An "aha" moment. 173 00:12:13,734 --> 00:12:17,571 I was completely intrigued by the possibility 174 00:12:17,654 --> 00:12:23,202 that I could have a deeply spiritual experience in lovemaking. 175 00:12:29,958 --> 00:12:32,836 For the first week in Paris 176 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,756 I was just focused on getting those tasks done. 177 00:12:35,839 --> 00:12:39,176 Watching the films, we had to watch a series of porn films. 178 00:12:39,259 --> 00:12:41,720 Write about how we felt about them 179 00:12:41,803 --> 00:12:44,681 and what kind of states we perceived that the women were having. 180 00:12:45,224 --> 00:12:50,270 It was, like, everything that had ever happened in the school 181 00:12:50,354 --> 00:12:51,939 had been leading up to this. 182 00:12:55,359 --> 00:12:58,070 There was a woman who'd been there for two or three months. 183 00:12:58,153 --> 00:13:01,949 I said, "When are you leaving?" And she's like, "Soon, I hope." 184 00:13:02,032 --> 00:13:04,076 But you had to wait for his permission to leave. 185 00:13:04,159 --> 00:13:06,662 She couldn't… She didn't know when she was going. 186 00:13:07,037 --> 00:13:10,541 I remember walking out once and seeing the girl that won Miss Shakti, 187 00:13:11,333 --> 00:13:12,417 back in August. 188 00:13:12,918 --> 00:13:15,796 She was there and her head had been shaved. 189 00:13:16,588 --> 00:13:19,883 And there was this note about her, how her ego had gotten so big 190 00:13:19,967 --> 00:13:23,136 and she needed to kind of be put back in her place, kind of thing. 191 00:13:23,220 --> 00:13:26,306 But she was sort of, like, cut off from everyone. 192 00:13:26,390 --> 00:13:28,267 I was like, "That's what happens to Miss Shakti? 193 00:13:28,350 --> 00:13:31,687 That's what happens to the winner? Her head gets shaved?" 194 00:13:36,191 --> 00:13:37,818 It was becoming clear 195 00:13:37,901 --> 00:13:41,446 that every single woman who was there had been initiated. 196 00:13:41,864 --> 00:13:43,991 They did say, "No, sometimes he doesn't." 197 00:13:44,074 --> 00:13:46,535 But I didn't see anyone there who hadn't been initiated. 198 00:13:50,831 --> 00:13:54,293 So they kind of feed you through this thing for quite a few days. 199 00:13:54,793 --> 00:13:58,005 And it was about day five or six, 200 00:13:58,088 --> 00:14:00,883 where they said, "Okay, now that you've done all these things, 201 00:14:00,966 --> 00:14:04,469 we can tell you that the reason that you're here, 202 00:14:04,553 --> 00:14:07,848 when you meet with him, there will be an opportunity to… 203 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,559 receive sexual initiation from him." 204 00:14:10,934 --> 00:14:14,438 And they framed it as if it was an option. 205 00:14:23,322 --> 00:14:26,033 As it happened, he decided that I should arrive to him 206 00:14:26,116 --> 00:14:28,785 on the day of my 30th birthday. 207 00:14:31,997 --> 00:14:34,499 I was taken by a driver again. 208 00:14:36,502 --> 00:14:38,754 With the hat and the sunglasses. 209 00:14:39,588 --> 00:14:41,381 And this time it was to an apartment, 210 00:14:41,465 --> 00:14:46,053 and I believe that he parked in a kind of underground parking garage. 211 00:14:48,764 --> 00:14:51,016 Most of our friends had been there already. 212 00:14:54,102 --> 00:14:56,563 I found it quite incredible that after so many years 213 00:14:56,647 --> 00:14:59,733 none of the neighbors sensed 214 00:14:59,816 --> 00:15:02,611 that these guys were coming in and out of that house. 215 00:15:04,404 --> 00:15:06,198 Every day, all the time. 216 00:15:07,199 --> 00:15:10,327 At least three or four girls a day, for sure. 217 00:15:11,662 --> 00:15:13,580 Some girls would go every month. 218 00:15:14,248 --> 00:15:15,624 His favorites. 219 00:15:19,002 --> 00:15:20,420 And he knocked at the door 220 00:15:20,504 --> 00:15:22,965 and we had to wait for a minute before it was opened. 221 00:15:24,299 --> 00:15:26,218 And then it was Grieg who opened the door. 222 00:15:26,301 --> 00:15:31,974 And he welcomed me and gave a hug and said, "Happy Birthday." 223 00:15:32,057 --> 00:15:35,811 And then he kind of sent me down the hall 224 00:15:35,894 --> 00:15:38,146 and went back into his room. 225 00:15:38,897 --> 00:15:39,800 "Okay. 226 00:15:39,815 --> 00:15:42,568 It's the real person that everyone's so obsessed with. 227 00:15:42,651 --> 00:15:45,779 It's this guy, and he's really old." 228 00:15:45,863 --> 00:15:50,075 Looking into his eyes, it was almost like a… 229 00:15:51,451 --> 00:15:54,371 like an empty space? 230 00:15:56,123 --> 00:15:59,710 That pulls you in at the same time as being empty. 231 00:16:00,919 --> 00:16:03,255 I couldn't sense any emotions from him. 232 00:16:03,714 --> 00:16:04,714 Nothing. 233 00:16:13,348 --> 00:16:16,393 I'm in this weird, really tiny apartment 234 00:16:17,060 --> 00:16:19,062 where there's just books everywhere. 235 00:16:21,982 --> 00:16:24,776 There's bookshelves on each side of the hallway, 236 00:16:25,319 --> 00:16:27,321 in his room and the other room. 237 00:16:31,283 --> 00:16:35,996 If you go down the hallway, there's the toilet and the bathroom. 238 00:16:40,918 --> 00:16:44,213 A tiny little corner where they have a bar fridge, a really small fridge. 239 00:16:46,590 --> 00:16:50,177 And then there is the actual bedroom, which is just an average-sized bedroom. 240 00:16:52,471 --> 00:16:56,725 And that is where the girls are kept who are taken to him for sex. 241 00:17:00,938 --> 00:17:03,899 At any point, there's always a few girls there. 242 00:17:06,859 --> 00:17:09,905 Everyone's sweaty. They take your clothes, so you don't really have… 243 00:17:09,988 --> 00:17:11,490 Like sometimes people are naked 244 00:17:11,573 --> 00:17:13,700 or you're just wearing something very minimal, 245 00:17:13,784 --> 00:17:15,993 you don't really have your own clothes. 246 00:17:16,994 --> 00:17:19,289 The place is locked from the outside, 247 00:17:20,123 --> 00:17:22,084 so you can't open the door from the inside. 248 00:17:24,211 --> 00:17:25,420 And you're sleeping there, 249 00:17:25,503 --> 00:17:28,882 you're eating there. You're doing everything in that space. 250 00:17:30,717 --> 00:17:33,053 He had a team of girls who were cooking for him. 251 00:17:33,136 --> 00:17:34,137 So they will send it to him, 252 00:17:34,221 --> 00:17:36,223 he will eat a little bit, and then he will give 253 00:17:36,306 --> 00:17:38,684 all the rest to the girls. They will store it in the fridge. 254 00:17:40,936 --> 00:17:43,689 But the rule was you couldn't throw anything on the garbage. 255 00:17:43,772 --> 00:17:45,482 So you had to eat everything which was there 256 00:17:45,566 --> 00:17:48,485 before you could open a new one, a new batch of food. 257 00:17:48,569 --> 00:17:51,488 And it would be girls just, like, eating this moldy food, like… 258 00:17:51,572 --> 00:17:53,866 Because they had to, like, that was the rule, 259 00:17:53,949 --> 00:17:55,701 otherwise you would get in trouble and stuff. 260 00:17:58,662 --> 00:18:01,832 Every so often, someone gets called in to meet with him. 261 00:18:02,332 --> 00:18:06,003 You hear them having sex for hours. You hear really loud music. 262 00:18:08,213 --> 00:18:09,423 She eventually comes out. 263 00:18:09,506 --> 00:18:12,551 And really soon after that she's picked up and taken away 264 00:18:12,634 --> 00:18:13,719 to the third house. 265 00:18:13,802 --> 00:18:19,349 And then, often not long after that, someone else turns up and takes her place. 266 00:18:19,433 --> 00:18:22,394 And there's people there saying, "I've been here six times. 267 00:18:23,145 --> 00:18:25,355 I love it. It's the most amazing experience. 268 00:18:25,439 --> 00:18:27,441 It gives me so much." 269 00:18:27,900 --> 00:18:29,568 And they believe that. 270 00:18:29,651 --> 00:18:31,195 Do you believe them? 271 00:18:32,988 --> 00:18:34,865 Maybe in some way. 272 00:18:35,699 --> 00:18:41,288 I still felt really uncertain, but I felt like I was open to see. 273 00:18:49,463 --> 00:18:52,216 I had a fantastic experience. 274 00:18:53,133 --> 00:18:55,344 We started the ritual. 275 00:18:56,970 --> 00:19:00,307 Going deeply into the transfiguration. 276 00:19:01,767 --> 00:19:05,229 Just as we were taught in the tantra classes. 277 00:19:08,148 --> 00:19:13,654 Of seeing ourselves and seeing each other as these deeply spiritual beings. 278 00:19:18,325 --> 00:19:22,955 It's the perfect union of the inner masculine, the inner feminine. 279 00:19:24,164 --> 00:19:25,791 The Yin and the Yang. 280 00:19:26,458 --> 00:19:27,876 Shiva and Shakti. 281 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,800 I almost ceased to exist. 282 00:19:38,554 --> 00:19:42,432 Somehow I traveled outside of my body. 283 00:19:45,477 --> 00:19:49,189 He guided me through every single little step. 284 00:19:54,403 --> 00:19:58,615 For me it was a spectacular, really beautiful meeting. 285 00:19:58,699 --> 00:20:00,951 And after that I was complete. 286 00:20:06,164 --> 00:20:11,628 Like, I wanted to believe that it was going to be… 287 00:20:12,296 --> 00:20:15,591 like a milestone for me in my spiritual path. 288 00:20:15,674 --> 00:20:17,926 I wanted it to be, of course. 289 00:20:21,180 --> 00:20:22,639 'Cause it was always difficult for me. 290 00:20:23,724 --> 00:20:28,520 I never felt that I was, you know, voluptuous, full of vitality. 291 00:20:29,730 --> 00:20:32,858 I never felt that I fell into the category of, you know, 292 00:20:32,941 --> 00:20:36,069 this kind of awakened Shakti woman. 293 00:20:38,530 --> 00:20:41,200 I am from the south of Argentina. 294 00:20:41,283 --> 00:20:43,243 A city called Bariloche. 295 00:20:44,411 --> 00:20:46,496 It's in the mountains. In the limit with Chile. 296 00:20:48,165 --> 00:20:52,628 When I turned 18, I decided to move to Buenos Aires, on my own. 297 00:20:55,005 --> 00:20:57,549 Back then, I was taking drugs on the weekends. 298 00:20:59,843 --> 00:21:02,387 And then when I found Atman at that time, 299 00:21:02,471 --> 00:21:06,517 of course, it came with all of these nice people that cared for me. 300 00:21:07,059 --> 00:21:10,312 They were much more focused on spiritual things. 301 00:21:11,772 --> 00:21:13,774 It was just, like, such an upgrade. 302 00:21:15,776 --> 00:21:21,615 And I could see how much trauma, and how much pain I had inside of me 303 00:21:21,698 --> 00:21:26,370 from my childhood, that I had never really addressed. 304 00:21:28,330 --> 00:21:31,750 I wanted to be more involved in the school. 305 00:21:32,417 --> 00:21:33,836 So I moved to Denmark. 306 00:21:35,337 --> 00:21:39,800 I lived in the ashram. I ate there, I did everything there. I barely went outside. 307 00:21:41,635 --> 00:21:44,721 I really thought that to have an initiation with him 308 00:21:45,305 --> 00:21:46,640 that it would help me. 309 00:21:46,723 --> 00:21:51,228 I thought it was, like, the next step I had to take in order to evolve. 310 00:21:59,027 --> 00:22:02,322 Before you go there, basically, you will drink water. 311 00:22:02,406 --> 00:22:06,159 Like two liters of water or, like, a lot of water. 312 00:22:08,161 --> 00:22:11,039 You also need to bless the water with a special formula 313 00:22:11,123 --> 00:22:13,959 that you are given by Grieg. 314 00:22:16,003 --> 00:22:19,464 And then you need to shower before and shave. 315 00:22:20,174 --> 00:22:21,758 You have to shave completely. 316 00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:25,971 They say that if you do enough yoga and meditation, 317 00:22:26,054 --> 00:22:28,515 so that you're in a really good spiritual state, 318 00:22:29,183 --> 00:22:31,351 to prepare yourself sexually in some way, 319 00:22:31,435 --> 00:22:37,608 to be centered and grounded and focused and ready to meet him. 320 00:22:43,614 --> 00:22:46,325 He came in the middle of the night. I was sleeping. 321 00:22:47,075 --> 00:22:50,871 He touched with his finger the sole of my feet, while I was sleeping, 322 00:22:50,954 --> 00:22:52,164 and I woke up like that. 323 00:22:52,497 --> 00:22:54,166 Then, like, "It's your turn." 324 00:22:57,628 --> 00:23:00,797 Everything had been leading up to this, as this… 325 00:23:01,798 --> 00:23:03,425 monumental event. 326 00:23:06,136 --> 00:23:10,349 But this repeated thought just kept coming into my head: 327 00:23:10,432 --> 00:23:13,769 "You're going up a mountain, and Shiva's at the top." 328 00:23:14,228 --> 00:23:17,272 "You're going up a mountain, and Shiva's at the top." 329 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,905 I don't remember much about the sex. I was very out of my body. 330 00:23:24,988 --> 00:23:27,658 Very disorientated and frozen. 331 00:23:28,867 --> 00:23:31,286 And even in the memory I've blocked a lot of it out, 332 00:23:31,370 --> 00:23:32,621 which is convenient. 333 00:23:33,997 --> 00:23:37,793 But, yeah, it was a long process. 334 00:23:39,211 --> 00:23:41,421 Could have been two hours in total. 335 00:23:43,257 --> 00:23:46,218 Yeah, you start doing one of the positions 336 00:23:46,301 --> 00:23:48,220 which I think they come from Kama Sutra. 337 00:23:48,303 --> 00:23:52,099 So besides learning the postures, you also learn how to move from one to another 338 00:23:52,683 --> 00:23:56,353 in a graceful way, so that you will still remain, you know… 339 00:23:57,062 --> 00:23:58,480 in penetration somehow. 340 00:24:06,071 --> 00:24:09,116 I felt… It just came in, "I don't want to do this." 341 00:24:12,202 --> 00:24:14,413 And then, almost immediately, 342 00:24:14,496 --> 00:24:16,790 another voice came in, 343 00:24:16,874 --> 00:24:18,917 "You're being superficial. 344 00:24:19,001 --> 00:24:21,879 You're being shallow, you need to transfigure him." 345 00:24:23,755 --> 00:24:25,090 Transfiguration. 346 00:24:25,924 --> 00:24:27,551 The doctrine of the school. 347 00:24:28,427 --> 00:24:30,095 They say, with the tantra course, 348 00:24:32,139 --> 00:24:34,975 "Don't focus on the physical, don't be superficial. 349 00:24:35,475 --> 00:24:37,019 It's not a spiritual attitude." 350 00:24:38,896 --> 00:24:40,772 And did you transfigure him? 351 00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:43,275 Yes. 352 00:25:00,417 --> 00:25:03,253 The idea is that you could look at a person 353 00:25:03,337 --> 00:25:06,340 and really, genuinely, 354 00:25:06,423 --> 00:25:10,177 the shape of their body would start to change, 355 00:25:10,260 --> 00:25:12,721 and would look different. 356 00:25:22,064 --> 00:25:25,567 When you're transfiguring your lover 357 00:25:25,651 --> 00:25:30,280 into the Shiva and the great man that he can be, he will become them. 358 00:25:35,077 --> 00:25:38,205 So you have to have a lot of transfiguration. 359 00:25:38,288 --> 00:25:40,666 Be able to see beyond what's there. 360 00:25:41,333 --> 00:25:43,794 Because otherwise, yeah, it's an old man. 361 00:25:43,877 --> 00:25:46,213 Like, why would you wanna be with him, you know? 362 00:25:49,842 --> 00:25:52,261 But if you can see it as Shiva, 363 00:25:52,344 --> 00:25:56,431 the spiritual master that's gonna help you evolve spiritually, 364 00:25:57,015 --> 00:25:58,892 then, okay, that's a different thing. 365 00:26:01,186 --> 00:26:05,148 I just knew I really, really didn't wanna go through with the initiation. 366 00:26:05,941 --> 00:26:08,569 And then they said, "You need to write to him and tell him." 367 00:26:09,611 --> 00:26:12,447 And I said that I needed to work through my own demons. 368 00:26:12,865 --> 00:26:14,700 But I really hoped that he could support me, 369 00:26:14,783 --> 00:26:16,243 if he was my master, 370 00:26:16,326 --> 00:26:20,706 through the yoga practices and the meditations. 371 00:26:21,373 --> 00:26:23,417 And he wrote back to me full of… 372 00:26:24,418 --> 00:26:26,253 it was like he was yelling on the page. 373 00:26:26,336 --> 00:26:29,631 You could feel the anger and the heat and the rage through the pen. 374 00:26:29,715 --> 00:26:33,552 It was just capital letters in this, like, red fountain pen. 375 00:26:33,635 --> 00:26:35,304 And he said, "You lie!" 376 00:26:36,722 --> 00:26:38,724 And then, I was like, "But how am I lying? 377 00:26:38,807 --> 00:26:40,225 Like, that's my feeling." 378 00:26:40,684 --> 00:26:44,354 "You lie because you have a big ego, and a great bad will!" 379 00:26:45,814 --> 00:26:47,983 And he said on this note that… 380 00:26:49,193 --> 00:26:52,571 "Only you have this response because you are manipulated by demons 381 00:26:52,654 --> 00:26:55,240 who don't want you to receive divine power. 382 00:26:55,741 --> 00:26:59,328 And for all the love that I manifest towards you, 383 00:26:59,411 --> 00:27:04,458 your reaction is bizarre, morbid, sickly, perverted, 384 00:27:04,541 --> 00:27:08,712 completely lacking any good will, or any aspiration to know God. 385 00:27:09,338 --> 00:27:11,840 Do you feel empathy now? Answer me!" 386 00:27:11,924 --> 00:27:14,426 Like, it was like he was yelling at me. 387 00:27:14,968 --> 00:27:15,969 He said… 388 00:27:16,637 --> 00:27:18,263 "The initiation will… 389 00:27:19,890 --> 00:27:21,767 exorcise your demons." 390 00:27:22,476 --> 00:27:24,269 As in, like, exorcism. 391 00:27:24,353 --> 00:27:26,939 And they said, "You've been summoned to see him tonight." 392 00:27:27,022 --> 00:27:29,691 When they gave me this letter. Like, "He wants to see you tonight. 393 00:27:29,775 --> 00:27:31,151 You've been summoned to him." 394 00:27:31,527 --> 00:27:33,028 And I went down to the meditation room. 395 00:27:33,111 --> 00:27:35,739 There's a meditation room in the basement, where it's silent. 396 00:27:35,822 --> 00:27:38,867 And I went and sat in there because I knew no one could talk to me in there. 397 00:27:38,951 --> 00:27:40,536 And I prayed. 398 00:27:42,329 --> 00:27:43,747 I prayed to my nana. 399 00:27:44,414 --> 00:27:46,917 I said, "Nana, just please, just give me a sign… 400 00:27:48,168 --> 00:27:49,670 what I should do. 401 00:27:49,753 --> 00:27:51,713 Just give me a sign." 402 00:27:52,464 --> 00:27:55,092 And that was when I first had the thought, like, 403 00:27:55,175 --> 00:27:56,510 maybe I could leave. 404 00:27:57,386 --> 00:27:59,847 Before that, like, that thought was too crazy. 405 00:27:59,930 --> 00:28:02,474 Like, I wouldn't have thought to do that. 406 00:28:04,101 --> 00:28:06,728 I mean, there was a big fence with a locked gate. 407 00:28:07,521 --> 00:28:09,815 They had all of my belongings, they had my phone. 408 00:28:11,108 --> 00:28:12,192 They had my wallet. 409 00:28:12,901 --> 00:28:16,613 I had no way of speaking the language, I didn't know where I was. 410 00:28:20,617 --> 00:28:23,161 Nothing felt real anymore, and I actually thought I was going crazy. 411 00:28:23,245 --> 00:28:26,373 I thought maybe I was in a state of psychosis. 412 00:28:29,126 --> 00:28:32,588 I didn't know what world I lived in. I couldn't trust myself. 413 00:28:33,463 --> 00:28:35,215 But I also couldn't trust them. 414 00:28:36,884 --> 00:28:39,303 "No, this is wrong. This is wrong." 415 00:28:39,845 --> 00:28:42,514 In that moment, something snapped. 416 00:28:42,890 --> 00:28:45,893 "I need to go. I need to get out of here, right now." 417 00:28:50,439 --> 00:28:52,733 Before I was allowed to leave 418 00:28:52,816 --> 00:28:57,404 they made me write this multi-page statement, 419 00:28:57,821 --> 00:29:02,492 that you have to copy out in your own handwriting, word for word. 420 00:29:02,576 --> 00:29:05,037 And then you have to submit it to them to crosscheck it 421 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,457 to make sure that you've included everything in it, and that it's correct. 422 00:29:09,124 --> 00:29:10,375 And then they said, 423 00:29:10,459 --> 00:29:14,171 "Oh yeah, we need to get a video of you reading out this statement." 424 00:29:14,254 --> 00:29:17,424 And I wasn't about to resist or object to any instructions at this point. 425 00:29:17,508 --> 00:29:18,967 I just wanted to get out. 426 00:29:20,886 --> 00:29:25,641 During my meeting with Grieg, everything went on normally, naturally, 427 00:29:25,724 --> 00:29:27,184 and with much common sense, 428 00:29:27,267 --> 00:29:29,978 so that I cannot complain of anything 429 00:29:30,062 --> 00:29:33,565 that throughout the meeting with Grieg may have traumatized me. 430 00:29:33,649 --> 00:29:37,069 - It was like a legal document. - I specify the fact… 431 00:29:37,152 --> 00:29:40,197 I had to read it on camera and I remember just thinking in my head, 432 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,157 "They're gonna use this against me one day." 433 00:29:42,241 --> 00:29:47,371 I specify the fact that there was nothing that happened against my will, 434 00:29:47,454 --> 00:29:49,206 and I have not been raped. 435 00:29:49,957 --> 00:29:55,754 Neither forced, nor aggressed, or blackmailed, or hypnotized… 436 00:29:56,171 --> 00:30:03,095 …or beaten, or cursed, or humiliated, or tortured, or offended, or locked up. 437 00:30:03,470 --> 00:30:05,138 Something really legal sounding 438 00:30:05,222 --> 00:30:10,602 to say that nothing happened to me here, and if I say anything to the contrary, 439 00:30:10,686 --> 00:30:12,104 this proves that I'm lying. 440 00:30:12,479 --> 00:30:16,483 This final declaration of mine has been signed by me personally, 441 00:30:16,567 --> 00:30:18,527 in the presence of two witnesses 442 00:30:18,610 --> 00:30:21,738 that guarantee that I was in a normal state of mind 443 00:30:21,822 --> 00:30:23,949 when I finalized and signed it. 444 00:30:24,032 --> 00:30:26,994 Doing that gave them permission to let me go. 445 00:30:27,077 --> 00:30:29,246 Signed, Ashleigh Freckleton. 446 00:30:35,627 --> 00:30:37,754 The driver said, "Where do you wanna be taken to?" 447 00:30:37,838 --> 00:30:40,883 I said, "Just take me to the cheapest hotel you can find in the city." 448 00:30:42,426 --> 00:30:44,636 "This can't be real, it has to be a nightmare. 449 00:30:45,846 --> 00:30:47,848 How do I wake up from this?" 450 00:30:54,271 --> 00:30:57,983 In France, we have special measures in place 451 00:30:58,066 --> 00:31:01,737 for fighting against crimes in cults. 452 00:31:03,822 --> 00:31:06,408 In fact, this notion of "emprise mentale" or psychological control 453 00:31:06,491 --> 00:31:09,077 was developed to apply to cult crimes. 454 00:31:09,161 --> 00:31:12,706 This is something very unique to France. 455 00:31:14,666 --> 00:31:17,836 An abuse of weakness is taking advantage of someone's vulnerability. 456 00:31:18,629 --> 00:31:22,174 We're not talking about someone who is old or ill, 457 00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:26,011 but this person has been placed under psychological control. 458 00:31:28,388 --> 00:31:31,725 Little by little, through the use of techniques, 459 00:31:31,808 --> 00:31:36,813 psychological control erodes the victim's free will. 460 00:31:39,566 --> 00:31:42,069 The person loses their free will, 461 00:31:42,152 --> 00:31:45,864 and does things that they wouldn't normally do. 462 00:31:55,791 --> 00:31:58,669 After the initiation with the spiritual guide, 463 00:31:59,336 --> 00:32:01,880 I was exhausted, disoriented. 464 00:32:03,173 --> 00:32:05,133 I felt really shaky. 465 00:32:05,551 --> 00:32:08,178 And I think I was even physically shaking. 466 00:32:09,388 --> 00:32:13,809 But then one of the coordinator women, she approached me, 467 00:32:14,309 --> 00:32:17,938 she said, "I'm part of a very special women's integration. 468 00:32:18,021 --> 00:32:19,773 It's all women. 469 00:32:19,857 --> 00:32:23,694 But it's in a different location, we've got a swimming pool, 470 00:32:23,777 --> 00:32:25,737 it's near a really nice city. 471 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,408 And people call it the Garden of Miracles." 472 00:32:32,661 --> 00:32:38,250 And then she said, "Now that you know these things that most people don't know, 473 00:32:38,667 --> 00:32:40,502 you have a responsibility. 474 00:32:41,670 --> 00:32:45,883 It's your responsibility to not lower your consciousness, 475 00:32:45,966 --> 00:32:50,095 and go back to doing things the way that you did them 476 00:32:50,179 --> 00:32:51,471 when you didn't know." 477 00:32:53,974 --> 00:32:57,644 She asked me if I was interested, and I said, "Yes." 478 00:33:00,230 --> 00:33:05,861 And so we went together to the bus stop in Paris. 479 00:33:07,237 --> 00:33:12,492 It was my first chance to sleep for, like, almost 42 hours probably. 480 00:33:15,412 --> 00:33:20,292 Then when we got to Prague, we were taken to a suburban house, 481 00:33:21,460 --> 00:33:23,795 on the main line heading out of Prague. 482 00:33:28,050 --> 00:33:33,263 They sat me down and they explained to me what would be happening in the house. 483 00:33:34,264 --> 00:33:38,185 We would do erotic rituals in the morning. 484 00:33:41,188 --> 00:33:45,943 And then after that you had to do a four-hour shift, 485 00:33:46,026 --> 00:33:48,737 six days a week, on a cam-girl site. 486 00:33:56,787 --> 00:33:59,331 The way they spoke about it is that, 487 00:33:59,414 --> 00:34:02,626 because we were doing the rituals in the morning, 488 00:34:02,709 --> 00:34:07,840 that energy from the rituals was going to amplify our power 489 00:34:08,465 --> 00:34:13,262 and our magnetism, in karma yoga and on the site. 490 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,933 And we were going to be able to transmit that energy 491 00:34:18,016 --> 00:34:21,853 to the people watching us and to the paying clients. 492 00:34:21,937 --> 00:34:25,983 So that then these men could hopefully start to connect to an energy 493 00:34:26,065 --> 00:34:29,444 beyond the base sexual energy. 494 00:34:31,321 --> 00:34:34,199 The idea of karma yoga is that it's selfless service, 495 00:34:34,283 --> 00:34:38,829 and you're offering for a greater purpose. 496 00:34:41,665 --> 00:34:45,043 We were going to be saving their souls, in a way. 497 00:34:53,886 --> 00:34:57,054 So, you walked down the stairs to the basement, 498 00:34:57,139 --> 00:34:59,600 and if you went round to the right 499 00:34:59,683 --> 00:35:02,811 there was the "Hot and Wet channel" room. 500 00:35:04,104 --> 00:35:08,567 Tiny room, airless, hot, no windows. 501 00:35:11,278 --> 00:35:12,821 So you logged on. 502 00:35:12,905 --> 00:35:16,783 And then you had your page and your chat up 503 00:35:16,867 --> 00:35:20,871 where you saw the image of yourself being streamed. 504 00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:24,082 Sometimes, the guys would ask you, 505 00:35:24,166 --> 00:35:26,251 "What did you do yesterday evening?" 506 00:35:26,335 --> 00:35:30,047 And we were told, "Pretend that you have a normal life. 507 00:35:30,130 --> 00:35:32,716 Tell them that you went out for drinks with your friends. 508 00:35:32,799 --> 00:35:34,718 You went home and cooked pasta." 509 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:38,222 We were told to be careful. 510 00:35:39,223 --> 00:35:41,683 We got told there were people spying on us, 511 00:35:41,767 --> 00:35:43,644 who would try and trip us up. 512 00:35:44,436 --> 00:35:47,940 They will ask, "Do you practice yoga?" 513 00:35:48,023 --> 00:35:50,651 And were out to blow our cover. 514 00:35:52,778 --> 00:35:53,946 In those six months, 515 00:35:54,029 --> 00:35:57,324 I was never paid for any of the work I did. 516 00:36:00,244 --> 00:36:04,164 There was this notion that when I looked at myself on the camera… 517 00:36:04,998 --> 00:36:09,795 I was seeing past the cheap outfits. 518 00:36:11,338 --> 00:36:16,093 And as I had done many times before, over the past few years, 519 00:36:16,176 --> 00:36:20,472 looking at my body and seeing something divine. 520 00:36:26,770 --> 00:36:28,647 So much is at stake 521 00:36:29,314 --> 00:36:31,650 if the answer to the question which has always been, 522 00:36:31,733 --> 00:36:33,944 "Yes, yes, yes. I believe. I trust." 523 00:36:34,361 --> 00:36:37,406 And then you get to a point where it's a "maybe" or a "no". 524 00:36:38,699 --> 00:36:43,120 There's so much of your life, 525 00:36:43,203 --> 00:36:46,206 your internal belief system, your relationships. 526 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,087 Just everything, you stand to lose as far as you can perceive, 527 00:36:52,171 --> 00:36:53,213 everything. 528 00:36:53,297 --> 00:36:55,048 Including your own… 529 00:36:56,258 --> 00:36:58,468 spiritual future or salvation. 530 00:37:15,485 --> 00:37:18,238 I booked the next flight that I could get, back to Australia. 531 00:37:20,157 --> 00:37:23,911 I just wanted to be at home with Mum and Dad, I just wanted to catch my breath. 532 00:37:25,746 --> 00:37:29,082 I didn't work for about a month, I just tried to figure out what happened. 533 00:37:29,166 --> 00:37:31,668 Just tried to unpack it. I just was so confused. 534 00:37:35,088 --> 00:37:37,174 Maybe a few months after I got home, 535 00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:41,887 I got really drunk at a party. 536 00:37:41,970 --> 00:37:43,096 Like, really drunk. 537 00:37:43,180 --> 00:37:45,599 And I think I just word-vomited to a friend. 538 00:37:45,974 --> 00:37:47,351 I ended up just telling him. 539 00:37:47,935 --> 00:37:50,103 When I was telling him about what had happened, 540 00:37:50,187 --> 00:37:53,440 I just saw the look on his face of just shock. 541 00:37:53,524 --> 00:37:54,983 And just, he's like… 542 00:37:55,692 --> 00:37:58,529 "This is really bad. Like, this is really, really bad." 543 00:37:59,279 --> 00:38:02,241 That was when I sort of started, I think, to talk more about it. 544 00:38:04,409 --> 00:38:06,119 I get a call from Ashleigh, 545 00:38:07,454 --> 00:38:09,665 basically explaining why she left. 546 00:38:11,542 --> 00:38:13,669 I felt such shame and guilt. 547 00:38:18,715 --> 00:38:21,385 'Cause immediately, I'm thinking to myself, 548 00:38:21,468 --> 00:38:24,388 "Here's Ashleigh, barely involved with the school. 549 00:38:24,930 --> 00:38:28,392 If a woman with that level of commitment to the school 550 00:38:28,475 --> 00:38:32,187 is getting brought in to meet the spiritual guide, 551 00:38:32,271 --> 00:38:35,190 then, obviously, you know, my partners, 552 00:38:35,274 --> 00:38:37,526 practically all the women of the school 553 00:38:38,026 --> 00:38:40,237 have probably gone and had this experience, too. 554 00:38:41,697 --> 00:38:44,575 This is so sick. These poor women. 555 00:38:47,578 --> 00:38:49,580 Who on Earth is this guy?" 556 00:39:19,735 --> 00:39:24,656 I was a student in university when the scandal broke, back in 2004. 557 00:39:27,576 --> 00:39:30,454 I remember seeing all those images on TV, 558 00:39:30,537 --> 00:39:32,706 about Gregorian Bivolaru. 559 00:39:35,375 --> 00:39:38,879 More recently, I became an investigative reporter. 560 00:39:41,715 --> 00:39:44,801 I started looking more into this group. 561 00:39:50,974 --> 00:39:54,019 These newspapers cover a very large period of time 562 00:39:54,102 --> 00:39:57,606 starting from the early '90s 563 00:39:57,689 --> 00:40:01,485 until 2004, when the scandal really broke. 564 00:40:04,154 --> 00:40:08,450 I really was surprised that this was still going on. 565 00:40:10,285 --> 00:40:12,913 Because this is an old story in Romania. 566 00:40:13,580 --> 00:40:16,041 It has been a story for 30 years now. 567 00:40:29,930 --> 00:40:32,808 Everybody in Romania knows who Gregorian Bivolaru was. 568 00:40:32,891 --> 00:40:35,018 He was basically a household name. 47919

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