All language subtitles for Louis.Therouxs.Forbidden.America-S01E03-Porns.MeToo

All right.

So we are going to film the consent
talk. All right.

Spanking. Do you feel OK with spanking?
OK, so we'll try to stick with some,

like, medium spanking, if that's OK.

Head to toe, do you mind your hair being
touched?

That's totally fine. Totally okay?

I'm cool with that, yeah. Totally okay,
great.

Chest, back, arms, do you mind being
touched? That's totally cool. Okay,

I'm going to keep the same safe words.
I'm going to use mercy or yellow and red

or stop and cut. Look into the camera if
I need to.

Okay, we got it.

In Los Angeles, I was traversing a
battleground over consent.

One of the...

Criticisms that's been made of you is
that you can be pushy.

The vast and lucrative industry of adult
film has been transformed

by social media with a new generation of
performers making fortunes on their own

online and using their new power to call
out alleged predatory behavior.

I called him. He said everything was
fine. You know, I'm Ron Jeremy and

safe with me.

while an old guard is pushing back at
what they see as trial by Twitter. The

women have come up with a narrative and
script that is unbelievably similar.

I was attempting to figure out what good
practice looked like.

Are you flirting with me?

I'm your step -sister. That's wrong.

In a world dedicated to pushing
boundaries of taste and taboo.

He allegedly raped her, then, like...

signed a napkin or a piece of paper and
gave it to her as an autograph.

In a $4 million castle outside Portland,
one of the biggest names in porn was

about to do a shoot.

Wait, say where?

I think Agent Provocateur is going to be
best. Maybe something red or white

would be good. What about this one? This
one's new.

That one works. Okay.

A performer with 10 years in the
business, these days Mia Malkova works

exclusively from home, shooting with her
boyfriend Justin and uploading daily to

social media sites.

Okay, perfect, right there. Will you
turn your booty towards the light a

bit more?

Right there, freeze.

Eyes to me.

Right there, perfect.

So how many subscribers do you have on
Instagram?

Um, 9 .4 million.

And what about OnlyFans?

Um, I think I might have 40, 40 ,000
right now.

Which sounds like much less, but they're
all paying is the big difference,

right? That is the big difference, yeah.

Three, two, one.

Okay, sweet.

Would you be comfortable giving me a
rough idea of how much you are making

through OnlyFans?

Yeah.

150 to 250, depending on the month.

150 ,000 to 250 ,000?

Yeah. Wow. I love OnlyFans. I didn't
make that while I was shooting for

And I'm in complete control of
everything. I do it from home. I do what

how I like.

It's a better quality of living.

All right, action.

Mia is at the top of a new economy of
adult film.

You walk forward towards the chair.

One of the most successful of thousands
of young performers using social media

who've transformed the industry almost
beyond recognition.

Is that who I want? Right there?
Perfect.

Able to make money on their own terms,
many have used their new power to police

the industry and establish better
standards for how sex takes place.

In Pasadena, north of Los Angeles, I had
an appointment with a couple who work

in porn. Can we come in?

Named Michael Vegas and Susie Q, they
are two of the new generation of porn

activists.

They were shooting content for their
social media accounts with their

Honey Milk and Lola Faye.

Do you want to do some pulling some
things to the side?

Wait, like my holes?

Yeah, they can't see it, but I can.

Holes doesn't sound very romantic,
Michael.

No.

It's the romance hole, Louie. If you put
romance in front of it.

That comes much better.

Today, for our scene, we are doing a
foursome, and we are making it fit with

of our social media platforms, and so
there's going to be some pegging, and

there's going to be... Pegging is?
Pegging is like a strapped -on dildo and

harness for penetration.

Someone will be pegging me, hopefully,
if all is going according to plan. And

you like being pegged, don't you? Oh, I
love it so much.

Gosh, you can ask any... You can ask
anybody in the business. I love it so

It just really... Just the right spot.

It's the best way I can put it.

One, two, three.

One, two, three.

What's it like? Is it weirdly empowering
or just it is what it is? It's great to

walk into an encounter that, like, where
you know you're not the one being

penetrated. Yeah. But why would that be
great?

I mean...

What do you usually do during sex?

Do you penetrate or are you penetrating?

Most of the time... Yeah, if I get
lucky, I'm the one penetrating. Okay,

So you can imagine that flipping that
and doing something different would feel

different, right? Would feel very
different, for sure. Yeah, that's all.

Is one of these Michael's?

This one.

That's not real size, though. It's
scaled up. Scaled up, yeah.

I was curious to speak to Michael and
Susie about the changes going on in the

industry.

With the pegging successfully concluded
and everyone more relaxed, there was a

moment to talk.

Wow. How was it?

Outstanding. The scene went very fluid
and smooth.

No surprises?

Yeah, I feel like it went surprisingly
good.

Now with social media platforms,
performers have the ability to call out

experiences and go public.

And I just wondered if you had any
observations about that.

historically as sex workers we haven't
had any way to report violence or

problems against us there's no way to
stay safe as a sex worker so yelling out

loud in a crowd which is social media is
the only means of like trying to keep

your friends safe from predators and a
performer who felt violated in some way

would be going to the police and maybe
saying

i expected to do vaginal but anal
happened or a male hand came from behind

camera and pinched my bum and the police
might say well these are academic

distinctions right like what is what is
the big deal i consented to something

and then something else happened that
was without my consent i don't know why

that's hard to understand you know like
no matter what the situation michael and

i met on a

hardcore gangbang set but you know
you'll go for a time and then you'll

it's not faux pas to be like hey is your
knee okay yeah you want to change

positions and so there really there
really is a true conversation that's

happening with your scene partner and
like that is consent all the way through

so how would how would you characterize
what's going on right now is this a live

issue some of the top

like names in the industry, some of the
top earners in the industry are in a

position where they will only shoot for
the right partner and the right amount

of money and the right sort of like
convenience to their day. You know, it's

really... Why? Because they have the
leverage now through their own platform

say no. Exactly. They have the leverage
to say no.

Is there a battle within the industry?

Like, how is it taking place?

Some of these old dudes that were here
to be creeps are frustrated and leave.

They can't. I can't work like this. I
might hurt somebody's feelings or I

assault them. Like, yeah, you probably
will. You shouldn't be here. Go away.

Thanks. Bye. It's a reckoning. Out with
the old, in with the new.

There will always be predators in any
industry.

But the more that we talk about things
and the more that we weed them out, the

more scared that they are, honestly.

The shift taking place within porn
reflects changes in the wider culture,

younger generation pushing for clearer
conversations about consent and an old

guard standing accused of harbouring
predators.

Have you done already some blowjob?

Yes, I do blowjob all the time.

One of those under suspicion is a 58
-year -old director and performer who

by the porn name Pierre Woodman.

Have you been tied up?

Pierre's scenes are known for being on
the more extreme end.

On several occasions, he's been accused
of violating performance boundaries,

accusations he denies.

Though he often works with American
talent, Pierre is based 6 ,000 miles

.A. in Budapest.

He was shooting at a hotel.

Hello.

You must be Pierre.

Hello. How do you do?

Good. Nice to meet you. What's your
name?

Alberto. Alberto, nice to meet you.

Louis.

Xerezade. Nice to meet you.

Xerezade. Do you speak English?

A little bit.

A little bit. A little bit.

When girls like Xerezade come from
Spain, doesn't speak English, I come to

translate. So you're the director? Mm
-hmm. And you'll be doing the shooting

well? Yes. And performing?

Unfortunately, yes.

Yes.

A ver, aquí me pones nombre de artistas,
stage name.

Scheherazade.

Scheherazade. How old are you?

¿Qué años tengo? 25.

25.

And how many scenes have you done so
far?

Three. Just three.

A ver, Sara, siéntate aquí
tranquilamente.

Ahora solamente una video para la parte
legal.

Am I right in thinking you videotape
everything?

Everything. I have a new now.

So where are you? Have you got cameras
going?

Yes. Where?

Hidden? Yeah, of course. It's your idea.
Everything is recorded.

Really? That's making you smile.

Sorry. I tell the truth.

Things saved me many, many, many times.
Some girl accused me some things that I

never did. Like, oh, I didn't want to do
this.

Last time I had a British girl who said
that she was slapped against her will.

Or one girl said, oh, he didn't pay me.
Or he did something I didn't want to do.

Or blah, blah, blah.

Come on. And the big problem now is the
Me Too.

Since there is this scandal with Harvey
Weinstein, the Me Too, and all this

wave.

Many girls think, wow, time for me to
get money.

What would be the motive for a woman to
accuse you of

deceiving her or doing something against
her will?

You ask me this question? Because they
want to be successful performers, right?

And they want to go on and work again.

So in a way, there's a risk for them,
which is...

If you make a false claim, then you're
going to probably be blacklisted, right?

Most of the time when the girls make
complaints, it's already when they're

finished with this job.

Some girls who today are 30 years old or
40 years old and they work 20 years

ago, those girls, because they have a
simple life or problem with their

boyfriend or whatever, and they are in
need of money, they try to use the MeToo

as a way to get money from people. This
is one situation.

So, petite lady.

My God.

Has she already tried anal sex?

No, nunca.

She's okay to try today?

Sí.

Okay.

It's quite a big step to do anal for the
first time.

Un poco, pero él es una persona que te
hace estar a gusto, cómoda.

This is why, for me, I prefer a girl
like her who never tried, because in her

brain she don't have any trauma.

Trauma.

She has anxiety, of course, but she
doesn't have any personal trauma about

so it's perfect.

For me, she's the best.

Could we say you specialize in
performing with young women who are

for the first time?

Yeah, my specificity is to do anal sex,
because I have a secret.

My grandfather teach me one secret for
that.

when I was very young. Your grandfather
taught you? Yes, yes, yes.

And also because I don't have a penis
like this, it helps a lot, because also

the size is important.

You have a relatively small penis?

17 centimeters.

I don't know if it's small.

Basically, when I was a young guy, I was
thinking, oh, I don't have a huge

penis, but today, for me, it's an
advantage.

All right, Charizard, can you please
show me your body, if you don't mind?

yeah oh my god she has a nice injury
look at this and

please if you don't mind turn around she
feel good or she feel bad

okay sit down please

beautiful i

love her face so much she's so beautiful

It being her first anal scene,
Scheherazade was receiving a higher than

rate of 1500 euros.

The shoot was happening in a suite three
floors down.

Before the action, there would be a
quick orientation.

She avoids looking if there's a plane
passing in the sky.

You concentrate on the scene, don't look
at the plane or the neighbor.

You don't look at the roof, you're
completely in the scene.

Now.

The clacks, do you want them or not?

Do you get them or do you make them like
in the movies?

Like in the movies? A fake one. He gives
them to you, you do this.

No, if he gives me a weak one... He
strangles you a bit.

How are you with kissing?

If one girl don't want to kiss you,
generally she turns away. So it's very

to know if she wants or she don't want.
Imagine you go somewhere and you don't

want something.

Like when you go to the restaurant.

Me, I don't want onion in my plate.

The first thing I say to the guy.

When I go to McDonald's, I want an
hamburger, but no onion.

All right.

Talk to you in a little bit, then. Thank
you so much, guys.

Thank you.

Bye. Thank you, Alberto.

See you later.

See you later.

See you later.

See you later. Thank you.

Having retired upstairs as the scene
took place, I was mainly conscious of

Scheherazade might be feeling.

having her first ever anal sex on camera
with someone whose language she didn't

speak and no one else around.

Two hours later, they emerged.

Oh, it's you who opened the door for us.

Hello. Hello.

I did not expect to see you here again.

How are you? How was it?

Ah, for me, good, but I don't know, it
must have to her.

I think

she

enjoyed a lot, but it was the beginning
of the situation, it was tough for five

minutes, and after, bam, everything goes
well.

She had hard times too.

At the very beginning, hard times.

She even thought, I'm not going to do
it.

I'm not going to be able to do it. Why?

Because I never did it before.

What was your reason for doing this
today?

I'm in porn. I knew that Pierre would be
the right person to start with this

annual thing in the porn business.

And your plan is to continue in porn for
a number of years?

Yes. For the moment, yes.

Muchas gracias por todo.

Hasta más tarde.

Vaya con Dios.

You know, you've said that you
specialize in having anal sex with

performers for the first time.

That's something.

Can you see that, in a way, that's a
high -risk project for you? Because,

actually, by definition, they don't
necessarily know what they're getting

right? And also, you're very... If I
propose right now to fuck your ass, you

will not know what we speak about?

Come on.

Are you taking me like a stupid one? If
I say, Louis, would you like me to fuck

your ass now? You will say, oh, I'm
sorry, I don't know what you are

about. If you said to me, I'm going to
fuck you in the ass, and I wouldn't know

what that... But I wouldn't really know
what that was like.

OK. I know what the physical act is.
Because you are not gay, you don't know

what it is. OK, fine. And then?

Will you say yes or not?

You know, it's just strange.

I'm a 51 -year -old man. I'm not an 18
-year -old girl.

If I was committed to trying to make it
in porn, but I also hadn't really

thought through all the aspects of what
that meant, and I thought I might dip a

toe in it, but I also had come from an
upbringing that was maybe conservative.

I mean, there's so many dimensions to
it. You are 18 years old. You're

to be able to know what you do or what
you don't do.

In America, at 16 years old, you can
drive a car, you can have a gun at 18,

you need to be 21 to drink one beer.
It's not me who does the law.

What is wrong if I ask one girl, are you
okay to get fucked in the ass by me?

And she said, yes.

I am a bad guy because she said yes.

I'm supposed to have speak to her in a
way that she said yes, but she finally,

well, she didn't want really to do it,
blah, blah, blah.

It's not my concern.

I'm here to do a job.

With Pierre, I had the sense of someone
on the defensive who felt himself under

siege in a world where the rules were
changing.

I was curious to learn more about how
the practices of the new generation of

social media performers were
intersecting with the old ways of the

I had an appointment with a webcam model
who goes by Ginger Bank.

Ginger's been camming nearly 12 years.

In her entire career, she's made only a
handful of studio films.

She makes her living almost exclusively
from OnlyFans.

Hi, Ginger.

Hello. Louis, how do you do?

Good, how are you? Good to meet you. Can
we come in? Yeah, please, come in.

The meeting began with some quick
content creation.

Oh, this looks cool.

The light through it.

Tell me about what you do.

OnlyFans is mostly what I do right now.
I use it to show the behind the scenes

of my life, naked pictures and videos of
myself. And there's also videos of me

having sex that I have, you know,
created. I'll get naked and dance around

play with myself.

That's my daily work.

And it goes up on OnlyFans and people
can take out a subscription to see

Content yeah, it's basically whatever
you want to put behind this paywall, you

know You walk it behind this paywall and
they pay however much you want per

month It's like I think three dollars a
month up three dollars a month up to

fifty dollars a month A lot of them just
want to see an extra look into your

life This video is with Chanel Santini
she's a really popular trans

performer

I wanted to have sex with her outside of
work, so why not do it on camera and

get paid to do it? It looked like she
might be choking you on her dick.

Um, I don't know, maybe for a second or
two.

Of her thousands of videos, probably
Ginger's best known is one she posted on

Twitter in 2017, calling out porn's most
famous male performer, Ron Jeremy.

So do you want to talk about how this
first came onto your radar, the whole

Jeremy? It started with a personal
encounter with him, didn't it? I thought

he was just one of the multiple handsy
people at the expo that I ran into. This

was 2016?

Yeah. And what happened?

He grabbed my ass through my jeans as I
was walking by and meeting him for the

first time, and I just said, ew, and
walked away.

It was the cam models. The cam models
started coming to these expos.

We were the ones that were working from
the safety of our homes. We weren't on

set getting groped by directors. That
shit wasn't normal to us. It was like

laughable to me that people could even
think of it as something that you would

just excuse, excuse, and then give him
access to more people to do it in the

future. So that's when I started
compiling the evidence and made that

video.

There have been allegations of rape and
sexual assault against Ron Jeremy that

go back as far as August 2003.

Here we have Ron Jeremy grabbing Tonya
Tate's ass.

Here we have Ron Jeremy fondling the tit
of a random female out in front of a

strip club.

How does Ron Jeremy, just being a porn
star, give him the right to assault

females?

The woman happened to be sexual.

Why is that okay?

Are we really still slut -shaming women
to the point where we take away their

basic human rights?

At what point did you realize, in
addition to the groping, there were

allegations of rape?

There was someone who added allegations
of rape to the Twitter thread.

He allegedly raped her, then, like,
signed a napkin or a piece of paper and

it to her as an autograph.

And it's not the only person who's said
that about him.

He's like a giant monster just going
around, like, sexually assaulting

Classic me too, in the sense of being
initiated on social media, on Twitter, a

kind of community forms, experiences are
shared, and that leads to real world

change. Yeah, 100%. So it was like a
domino effect of, like, one thing

that led to another thing happening, you
know, which is what the...

the detectives and the prosecutors said
got them interested in actually finally

bringing charges against him.

Ron Jeremy's alleged offenses span
nearly 30 years.

For many younger performers, his ability
to continue working for so long amid

widespread rumors of his offending
illustrated a problem in the industry.

I wanted to meet one of those affected.

In 1997, aged 25, Jen Mondello had been
attempting to find her way into an adult

film career under the name Jennifer
Steele.

Ron Jeremy had offered to act as her
mentor.

20 years on, with 100 films behind her,
she has retired from porn and lives in

Florida. Hi, Jen. Hi, how are you?

OK. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you
too.

Come on in.

Oh, nice and cool in here. Yeah.

Can we look at some of your old
memorabilia? I have a whole box.

How long were you in the industry?

About ten years.

Like, my movie span is about a ten -year
span.

So, shall I start pulling stuff out?

Sure, yeah.

This is an 8x10 that I would sign for
somebody, you know.

The turn lines are part of the look,
right?

Oh, yeah.

I had my tanning bikini that gave the
perfect line, so I had the same line

time. Makes it feel more taboo.

I guess so. I was young and I cared.

I wouldn't go that far now.

Am I right in saying you have a lot of
happy memories?

Oh, yeah.

I have to say that my gangbang scenes
were the most fun.

How many gangbangs did you do?

Somewhere between half a dozen and a
dozen.

And typically how many people would it
be? The most was 20, was the Mexican

gangbang.

Mexican gangbang? The Mexican anal
gangbang.

You did that? Yeah, I did that.

It's not something I would enjoy now.

What was Mexican about it?

All the men were Mexican.

Here's a DVD.

Jennifer Steele does the Amsterdam 420.

What does that mean? We went to
Amsterdam and we just picked out a bunch

random dudes at Cannabis Cup, brought
them back to the hotel and fucked them.

They stuck a bong in my ass and then
smoked pot out of it.

I thought you were with James Corden.

No, there's no James Corden here.

Should we talk about what happened?

Sure. Yeah.

When Jen had met Ron Jeremy, she was
working as an exotic dancer in Oregon.

He invited her to Los Angeles, landing
her a job as a model in a photo shoot he

was doing for Hustler magazine.

I went down to Los Angeles. He picked me
up from the airport. He took me to the

Hustler studio.

In the Hustler studio, we got all ready
for the picture and everything.

He kept shaking his dick in front of
everybody, and he couldn't get it up.

Pressure on him to basically deliver
solid wood.

Mm -hmm.

So you felt bad for him. I felt bad for
him. He can't get it up. What's he going

to do?

And then he asked if I would bend over,
you know, in front of him so he could

look and jack off and give him a visual
fluff. And I'm like, oh, yeah, totally.

And this is something I would do. In the
bathroom.

In the bathroom.

So I bent over for him so he could look.
He put his hand on me, and I said, what

are you doing?

And then he said, I'm not doing
anything.

And then he stuck his dick in me.

And that's, you know.

And I tried to push back, but by pushing
back, I was pushing forward because I

had my face in a paper towel holder.
There was nowhere for me to go.

And then I think once I started
struggling, that's when, like, I mean,

said, it was only just a few seconds,
you know.

He apologized, like, I'm so sorry, I'll
never do that again.

And I felt safe enough to get into the
car.

So are you okay to talk about what
happened when you went back to his was

apartment or it was an apartment?

Yeah, I um I made the assumption that I
was gonna have my own room or at least a

couch I was trying to be polite about it
telling him that sex was not part of

the part of our deal And and he told me
that that wasn't an issue. In fact, he

made me feel kind of silly even saying
it, you know

His couch was all full like movies and
stuff, like movies and magazines and

stuff like that.

And he said, you know, just give me like
20 minutes and I'll get this all

cleaned off for you. And I'm like, I'm
not waiting. And I was exhausted.

So I just like I literally I went over
to the corner of his mattress and I just

crashed it up against the wall. I'm
wearing my jeans.

I'm wearing my tank top. I'm like I'm
wearing my clothes.

So there was no, you know.

And then he turned on the light and he
woke me up.

And he said, you're going to get
interviewed a lot. And one of the things

I'm well known for is that I eat the
best pussy in the business. And I want

women to say that when they're getting
interviewed.

And I told him, I said, I'll say you
killed it.

And he was like, no, no, no, I want to
really do it. And he said, if you let me

do this, please.

I'm doing all this stuff for you and
everything. I'm introducing you to all

these people. If you let me do this, I
promise I will leave you alone.

And I'm thinking, well, he should leave
me alone anyway, but I have a deal here.

So I ended up going for it, and I took
my pants off. He went down on me.

I came.

And then after that, his pants were off.

He took his pants off during that
somehow without me knowing.

And then he raped me.

He was raping me anally, and he stopped
when I was crying and bleeding.

In your account, you have to say... I'm
sorry.

My... all the... You okay? It's all,
yeah, like, it's just all...

I don't think Ron Jeremy is a bad
person, but at that

moment, there was a monster that was
there, and that was... I knew that my

options were done. It was, like, there's
only... so many no's you can give

before you just run out of no's. And
when he gave me that look, that was when

froze. That was when I had that. That
was when the switch flipped of humanity

just not what I think it is.

I mean, it's... He

knew

what he was doing.

And it didn't put you off getting into
adult film, did it? Because basically

following year, you went into it. Oh,
yeah. Yeah.

Sort of with both feet. Oh, yeah. Balls
in.

It made me feel like I was taking
control of my own sexuality after it had

taken from me.

But it's about choice.

Yeah. Yeah, it's about choice.

Like, I don't leave a gangbang feeling
like I've been traumatized.

as long as everything was consensual.

But if somebody's raping me and they're
doing something without their consent,

then that's traumatizing.

How important is it to you that Ron
Jeremy could get convicted?

I hope he does get convicted because I
think, honestly, that for him to be in a

medical facility would be the best thing
for him. I think separating him from

society is necessary.

But as far as my healing goes...

What has happened already with the
system is what I needed.

And that was for the DA

to tell me that he believes my story and
that it was rape and that I was raped

and that it mattered despite what I did
for a living.

Jen's need to be believed spoke to a
common feeling among sex workers that

accounts of abuse are less likely to be
taken seriously than other people's,

simply because of what they do.

With Ron Jeremy now awaiting trial for
multiple counts of rape, it seemed that

might be changing.

Back in L .A.

and I'd been thinking more about power
imbalances in the industry and how young

performers might be influenced by older
men to take part in sex they might not

be okay with in private and on set.

I had an appointment at a shoot by a
female -run studio called Balessa that

said to be giving its stars more
control.

Hi, Jackie?

Yeah. Louis.

Hi, Louis. Nice to meet you. May I come
in? Yeah, come on in. Thank you.

The director went by the porn name
Jackie St. James.

Hello, where do you need me?

In the middle of the bed, please.

The set -up for the scene drew on
something that had really happened to

performers who'd been friends but had
fallen out.

You're going to talk directly to me.

Directly to you? Yes.

They were Michael Vegas, whom I'd met
poolside in Pasadena.

Slide over slightly.

And Bunny Colby.

What is... What is your history with
Bunny Colby?

Well, we had done a scene together.

Everything went great.

And then we had a tumultuous interaction
on the old social media.

You guys have never worked one -on -one?
We have not. We've only done a boy

-boy, girl -girl -girl together.

Any expectations for how it will go when
he walks through these doors?

Um, I think it'll be a little awkward at
first, but I think it'll be fine.

I love giving and receiving oral sex. I
really love giving it.

Excellent. I love communication like
that.

So, what's going on in the culture
somewhat is that there are new

about consent.

In the college campus setting, they
developed a concept of enthusiastic

Like, consent on its own isn't enough.
It has to be like an enthusiastic yes.

You're not kind of tolerating the sex.
Now, clearly, in the porn world, that's

not always going to apply because it's a
job, right?

You're not going to love every time you
go out and have sex for work.

And so within that space, it feels as
though there's a potential for bad sex

take place or sex which you don't even
know if you're completely okay with.

The onus of responsibility lies on
pretty much everyone that's involved,

including the girl, the guy, the
producers, when the girl is hired, their

So everyone's communicating, it's going
to be this long, this is what you're

going to be dealing with, are you
comfortable with the performer you're

with? These are all things that should
be taken care of prior to the arrival on

set. Let's say the performer signed off
a scene and then it's just uncomfortable

and they're not enjoying it at all.

But they don't feel they can speak out.

I mean, what do you then do with that?

How we address that is, I guess,
creating an environment where people

to do so.

But I think a lot of times you'll see
performers just saying yes to

something they consented to. But maybe
they're uncomfortable, maybe they're in

pain and just are gutting it out until
the scene's done.

I think that one of the reasons, and
it's one thing we always say at Bless

no matter what.

If you don't do this scene, we are still
paying you.

Whereas a lot of studios hold it over
the head of the person. Well, if you

finish the scene, you're not getting
paid.

You guys have fun?

Oh, yes.

I really appreciate it. Nice job, guys.
I wasn't allowed to talk to you before,

so apologies. I told them.

It seemed like I was being rude. Thank
you. Nice to see you.

Gotta stay in the zone.

Yeah. Personally, it felt great for me.
I got to very much enjoy your body.

Thank you. Your body language seemed
like you enjoyed it. I did enjoy it. So,

it's a win in my book.

Sometimes it is more work.

And sometimes it is more enjoyable, but
I would never do something that I didn't

at least have a good portion of
enjoyment at.

Can you reflect on changes you've seen?

It's nice to see that there is a bit
more acceptance of people speaking out

that there are more options that we
have, even though they're not perfect.

But there is still a lot of places where
you need to be your own advocate.

And remembering that.

I think it's very important.

I think, Bunny, you had an experience
with someone in the industry.

There was just one situation at not even
a shoot. It was like a party thing that

I got paid to go to.

And, you know, my big problem wasn't
even what happened there.

I got assaulted, but it was fairly
minor. Somebody groped me, which is

inappropriate. Don't do that.

My problem was how the people I reached
out to afterwards reacted.

And that's really... Can we say that it
was your agent?

Yes.

And that's somebody that you need to
protect you. That's somebody you are

reaching out to to make sure that your
work is safe. The real, I think, trauma

of the situation was being told that
what happened to me didn't happen.

Like being gaslighted and told like, oh,
that didn't happen to you. And even if

it did happen to you, who cares?

Like that's essentially what I was told.

That's not allowing people to be in a
position in this industry where they're

able to advocate for themselves and able
to make good choices about what they

want to do and feel fine at the end of
the day coming away from it. And what

his name?

Derek Hay.

For the best part of a decade, Derek Hay
was the most powerful agent in porn.

But along with his power came rumours
that he was controlling and vindictive.

You've got a busy day here today,
haven't you? What have you got going on?

I'm not sure how many shoots we're doing
today, but there's the day schedule.

I'd met him on a visit to the industry
in 2011.

Two scenes was boy -girl scenes and one
was anal.

Yeah. Have you ever done anal before?

I actually, like in my real life, I
really don't do much anal.

That would suggest maybe you don't enjoy
it that much.

I'm not sure that I agree with your
question.

I can think a lot of things that we
don't do in our personal life that we do

work.

Seven years later, five performers he
represented brought a legal case suing

get out of their contracts, alleging
sexual misconduct by Derek.

They also said he'd steered them into
doing illegal escorting work for a

called The Luxury Companion.

In many ways, Derek represented that old
guard of industry power brokers I'd

been hearing about.

Derek lives in Las Vegas.

He'd agreed to speak, asking that we
meet at a tattoo parlor he owns in the

city.

Hello, hello.

Hello. Can I come in?

How are you doing?

Good. You must be Jamie.

I am Jamie, nice to meet you. Louis,
nice to meet you.

Hi. Derek.

You've kindly arranged for Jamie to be
here. Jamie, you're relatively new to

business, would you say?

Yeah, about April.

By eight months? Eight months of
shooting, yeah.

So tell me how you relate to Derek. He's
your agent?

He's my agent, yeah. I'm really grateful
to Derek for immediately making me feel

like a respected worker, which is what
every performer can ask for.

You probably would have noticed that
Derek had some legal situations he was

dealing with.

I was familiar with the, you know...

you know, legal trouble around this
agency, but so much of what you read

porn is stigmatized or sensationalized.
I just thought I could be a better judge

myself. So one of the things you've been
dealing with is a labor commission, and

it found against you, correct? That was
last year.

Not completely true, no.

In part, they found against me, yeah.

But that's appealed to superior court.
You've appealed, you've made an appeal.

Does that, and they've, they have not
renewed your license in L .A., is that

right?

That's another subject that's being
contested. As it stands, could we say

that right now?

Right now, do you have a license to be
an agent in L .A.? I have a license in

Nevada and in Florida.

So does that put a crimp in your ability
to represent young talent like Jamie?

No, because I'm still a licensed agent.
Actually, I don't think there's any

agent who's ever held licenses in three
states.

So this is a little bit private, maybe
intrusive, but I'll just try it out.

Put it out there. Okay.

So are you and Derek in any way
involved?

No. We have a wonderful professional
relationship.

has a form in dating clients' models he
represents, correct,

Derek? I've dated a number of models in
the past, but you won't find any

recently. No. Have you stopped doing
that?

For many years, yes.

OK. Jamie, if it's all right with you, I
might have a sit -down with Derek now.

Is that OK?

Yes, thank you.

If I can just pause for two minutes.
This is an artist that's going to do a

tattoo. Let me just see if she wants to
come in and get set up. Okay.

The five models suing Derek painted a
picture of a company where Derek

performers into sex.

Two also alleged he'd assaulted them.

Among the women were three whose porn
names were Hadley Biscara, Sophie Ryan

Shea Evans.

Derek has always denied any wrongdoing.

The customer's not coming till 12.
Great.

The most serious stuff, a lot of it is
around the idea of inappropriate sexual

relationships between you and artists
that you represented, in which they felt

they were either required or coerced, or
in a couple of cases, assaulted.

Shea Evans says that you said, if you
sleep with me, if you agree to a

relationship, I will make you a star.

Well, I have to correct you on that. I
don't think Shea Evans has said that.

I've got the quote, the Shea Evans quote
on my phone. Would that be helpful if I

gave you the exact quote?

I don't mind.

Okay.

Derek asked me if I wanted to come back
to his hotel room, and he asked me a few

times, and then I agreed, and then in
the car ride over there, he kept telling

me how I would get a lot of work and
that he'd make me a star.

When he refused, this is the trip to
Hawaii, he alleged that all porn work...

began to dry up for her on her return
home.

And she was given a shoot with Pierre
Woodman as a punishment. Even though she

rang Derek crying hysterically before
the shoot, he insisted she could not

cancel.

Really? No woman in the adult film
industry is coerced to do any particular

shoot.

What's your position on the idea that
you sexually assaulted a couple of

your models?

I did have sex with one of those women
on multiple occasions because we were

dating.

So... Sophie Ryan.

Correct. Out of dozens of times that we
were intimate, the allegation is that

one of those times was coercive.

Her version sounded dreadful, right? I
mean, it wasn't like, oh, it was

ambiguous or... I mean, she describes it
as you pulled over in a car where there

was no phone coverage, having kind of
finagled her into the car and...

Said if you don't give me a handjob, I'm
gonna leave you here to die Right But

she was happy to come and spend the
night with me just a couple of nights

Do

anything more you wanted to say about
that no I need to pause I've got to let

this talk. Okay do it in

Do you want to set up over here?

Right.

What do you... Give me one second.

Can you give me five minutes?

OK, thanks.

Because it's one of the more serious
allegations we should deal with, Hadley

Biscara claimed that she was sexually
assaulted by you.

She says...

Twice, on two occasions, and... On two
occasions, two days apart.

Four days apart.

No.

We'll agree to disagree.

All right.

One was a coerced blowjob, I guess, and
the second was, I

guess, a more full -on assault in which
she said she was very drunk.

Yeah, she made a police report on that
seven months after the fact, and Las

Vegas police...

made some investigation on that and then
declined to pursue the case further.

What's your position on what happened?

Both of those occasions was entirely
consensual sex

between us.

She's a lesbian?

She became a lesbian after the fact.

Since then, not at the time.

So she says.

So, I guess the crowning allegation is
the idea that you made introductions to

an escort agency and they began doing, I
guess, illegal sex work as a result of

that. He knowingly attempted to help
procure employment for petitioners with

luxury companion, an escort service, and
helped book employment for Vizcarra,

helped broker a relationship with Sophie
Ryan and Shea Evans so they could work.

As a prestige tattoo and blade.

Oh yeah, she's here.

No, no, you can come in. Where are you?

Please come in.

Okay, please come in.

Please come in. Thank you.

Did you get the last bit?

Yeah.

I think I did anyway. Helped book
employment for Vizcara.

Helped broker a relationship with Sophie
Ryan.

Shay Evans, Andy Rye, so they could work
as escorts.

Come in.

We could get just some sort of a
response.

Okay, let me try one more time. Okay, I
actually would prefer you not read that

again now.

Okay.

Did you get any sort of referral fee or
finder's fee or introduction fee for

steering your models to the luxury
companion?

I didn't steer our models to the luxury
companion in the first place.

Got no referral fee and no percentage of
their earnings at all.

I feel like we've taken up a lot of your
time.

Are you okay?

Yes, I'm fine, thank you.

So...

The big picture, I suppose, is the
feeling that artists would enter

relationships with you, sexual
relationships, and if you were unhappy

how they ended or the way that they
ended, you'd intentionally destroy their

careers. That's the allegation that was
made.

I contend that none of that is true.

Certainly the women have...

come up with a narrative and script that
is unbelievably similar.

In some cases, they're alleging near
criminal conduct.

So I look forward to our day or days in
court in May of next year.

With all its interruptions, it had ended
up being a slightly frustrating

interview, and I wondered if it said
something about Derek's personality.

A steely quality of control.

As it stands, Derek is appealing the
Labour Commission ruling that upheld the

sexual assault allegations against him.

He also awaits a criminal trial on
charges related to the escorting

that could result in prison time.

One of the names that came up often in
Derek's Labour Commission hearing was

Pierre Woodman.

Two of Derek's performers said they'd
expressed concerns about working with

Pierre, and a third, named Andy Rye,
said afterwards that aspects of the

had not been consensual.

Another performer who worked with Pierre
in 2016 in a deal brokered by

Derek... went by the porn name Serenity
Hayes, which she has since changed.

Why did you decide to come to porn?

I want to be in magazines and movies and
stuff like that.

More like exhibitionism stuff?

Yeah.

In a way, your worst case scenario for
you is, well, one of the cases where a

woman accused you of rape was Serenity
Hayes, right?

When was your first blowjob?

Oh, in porn?

No, no, no, no, no, no. In your life, in
your life. In January?

In porn?

No. I don't suck dick in real life.

Never? No.

If I'm not getting paid for it, I'm not
doing it.

You never have sucked anyone?

No. It comes across that sex in general
gives the impression of not enjoying.

You let him come in your mouth? No. You
make a try?

No.

Why not?

Because I said no.

No, no.

Why don't we try to just do a test for
the anal sex?

My win -win is like this. Maybe if I can
put it inside your butt.

Today or never, you know what I mean?
There is a technique which is based on

Chinese secret.

It is with the clitoris and with your
heart.

During the scene she just is visibly
uncomfortable and she's becoming

increasingly annoyed.

Afterwards,

Serenity Hayes took to Twitter
complaining that she hadn't been paid

scene and accusing Pierre of serious
sexual assault.

In return, Pierre released this behind
the scenes footage of the incident.

What I saw was you attempting to
negotiate with her and she experienced

a kind of abuse, right? I could see a
case how that is a result of your

practices colliding with her needs.

Does that make sense?

Does it make sense if in five minutes I
go...

to internet and I write, oh my God,
today Luis was here and I feel so bad

because he harassed me with this
question, coming back, coming back all

that I'm a bad guy, I'm a rapist and
everything.

My God, now I have trouble and I need to
go maybe for one week out of my work

because my head is broken and I feel so
bad now with all this crazy discussion

and this pressure he put on me. I don't
know if I can continue.

Come on.

What you will think? He will smile.

If I speak just about money part, I lost
money because I lost my morning or my

afternoon of job.

Number two, if I said, oh, I send this
back home, then she will have right on

internet that I am a motherfucker
because I didn't give her the job. I

tried to make this girl feel good. She
was a stupid idiot.

Things didn't go well.

I didn't push. I let her go home and
that's it. Do you accept the

characterization of you that you use
high pressure tactics?

Okay,

what is the high pressure tactic?

Tell me something concrete.

Well, you use the example of having sex
with a woman on camera and then

during the sex act saying, why don't we
do a DP? One in the front, one in the

back. the more accepted practice would
be to decide all of that beforehand.

Why?

Well, so that you're not moving the
goalposts. No, but Luis, who said that?

Well, all the performers that I've
spoken to.

They say that before you start, and it's
not in the middle of the text, you

don't say, oh, you know what, I'm going
to come inside you, even though that's

not what you've agreed.

Stop, it's not true.

I am a guy who discusses with the girls
and decides with the girls.

I understand that you want absolutely to
show me like a bad person.

I don't know why, but it's probably a
necessity for you.

It's easy to say bad things about
everybody, you know?

So easy. I don't know you. I can just
tomorrow or tonight when I will go home,

oh, today this British presenter came
and, oh, I'm sure he's this or he's

Given everything that's going on, Me
Too, Me Too specifically, there's more

questions asked, people...

Demand more clarity about what is being
agreed to. Have you changed your

practices? Will you change your
practices?

You want me to change something that I
do since 30 years? Work.

I consider that if a girl is 18 years
old, adult, and I speak to her, she

what she want to answer and she do what
she want to do.

I don't put a gun on her head to take my
dick in the mouth and the ass or the

pussy. She do whatever she want.

The encounter with Serenity Hayes and
everything that went wrong with it

encapsulated the issue with Pierre's
working practices.

But it was also symptomatic of a more
pervasive tension in the adult industry,

world where the questionable behaviours
that exist in all walks of life coincide

with a workplace involving extreme sex,
and where an unjustified stigma has

meant that the voices of its workers
haven't always been heard.

Booty to me a little bit more.

I was back with Mia Malkova in her
castle.

Right there, perfect for you.

Can you open the knees a little bit?

Yeah.

Right there.

Right there, perfect.

It feels as though the industry's
changing.

Yes, because I just think back to when I
came into the industry and I was 19 and

I didn't know a lot and I was just very
eager to please and not make a fuss.

I've honestly been in situations where
the scenes have gotten more aggressive

than I would like, but I'm still wrapped
up telling them yes more. And I think a

big part of it is you're just eager to
please everybody on set. And once the

camera starts, it's really, really hard.
You have to be brave to muster up that

courage to say, stop, no, I don't like
that.

But now we have these large followings.
So with that comes a lot of power.

It's hard to ignore us anymore,
especially when everyone's saying the

thing. It's just empowering.