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So you feel like I'm pushing an agenda?

Yeah. What is the agenda?

You hate white people, okay? So why
don't you get over yourself? Why don't

apologize for your ancestors from
thousands of years ago? Because you're

Louis. Aren't you? Aren't you white?

Yeah. Oh, so why don't you apologize for
who you are? Because you're a disgrace.

You're seething now.

No, you're seething. You look like
you're about to start crying. You're the

that's crying. Why are you so triggered?

Come on, man.

Okay, let's finish this.

For several months, I'd been spending
time with a new incarnation of the far

right. America first, bitch!

You think America should be majority
white?

Yes, yes. It's not a bigoted thing, it's
not a white nationalist thing or a

hateful thing.

America first!

America first!

A movement spawned online and defined by
racism, misogyny and homophobia.

Racism's a new rock and roll, and I'm
the biggest rock star of all.

Using social media and streaming to
radicalize its young audience.

Let me tell you a joke. Black lives
don't matter.

Isn't there some part of you that thinks
that's not really where I want to be?

No, I actually enjoy racist humor and
misogyny. I think that's awesome. I

we need more racist jokes, to be honest.

You will not replace us!

You will not replace us!

At a time when internet hate is
increasingly leading to real world

was attempting to understand the
motivation and the technique of a new

generation of homegrown extremists.

You did a Nazi salute.

I did not do a Nazi salute.

You should get the f*** out of my house.

On the front line of a cultural war.

Are you kind of making a documentary
about me while I make one about you?

Well, I can't tell you, but you're
dealing with one of the world's most

intricate internet trolls.

In Orlando, Florida, outside CPAC, the
Conservative Political Action

I was with the followers of a rising
star of the far right.

His

name

is Nicholas J. Fuentes.

22 years old and a fan of Donald Trump,
he's considered too extreme, even for

the right wing of the Republican Party.

and it's banned from their events.

I'd like to go to CPAC.

No, you cannot. There are no more
tickets. There's no more tickets?

CPAC sucked.

It's gay.

They're not conservative.

Yeah, we're leaving.

We're leaving.

America first!

America first!

Reportedly barred from CPAC, for the
last two years, Nick has run his own

AFPAC, the America First Political
Action Conference, a short distance

We were the first television crew it
allowed in to film.

Okay, so here we are. This is going to
be our conference tomorrow.

You're in charge of this, right? Yeah.
We got our helpers around. They're just

setting up the tables.

So they're putting out these which are
stickers, right? Yes. America first

bitch. Yeah.

There should be a comma there because
it's not like, you know, I'm an America

first bitch.

They messed it up. Yeah.

That makes it sound like you're the
bitch. Right, I know.

that's the worst possible outcome. I
know. You could go around just doing a

comma in all of them. Yeah, yeah, we
could get a white sharpie.

Otherwise, I know. In terms of what
America First represents, am I right in

thinking that for you something that you
call demographics is big?

It's radical.

What is that?

Well, demographics is just obviously the
people that comprise the nation.

And, you know, people take that to mean
race.

And race is a big part of it. But
demographics.

Is it for you? Big part of it, period. I
think, you know, just racial

demographics are very salient right now,
given Black Lives Matter.

But it's about recognizing that race is
not everything, but it's not nothing. If

you change the people in America and you
change the place that is America, is it

really still America anymore?

Is it really still our home? I think
that's the question. And the answer to

is no.

Am I right in thinking you want no
immigration?

Yeah, more or less.

Including legal?

Correct, yeah.

How's the setup coming?

In the last several years, Nick has
emerged as the new voice of the far

hosting a nightly show which he streamed
from Chicago to thousands of homes

around the US and the world.

Why do we need people coming into our
countries?

The United States was doing just fine
before all these immigrants came here.

take them out of countries like the
Middle East. How do they repay that

generosity? They rape our children.

And you see skulls, you see filth.

In his broadcasts, Nick embraces views
and language that are racist,

sexist and anti -Semitic, packaging the
most extreme statements as jokes and

irony.

What's your problem with Jews? What is
your problem with the Jewish people? Why

on earth do you have such a problem with
them? I say, you know what? I have a

big problem with Jews.

There's not enough of them. There's not
enough of them to go around.

Hello, folks. Nick Fuentes here. We are
in sunny Charlottesville, Virginia.

In 2017, aged just 18, he was at the
infamous Unite the Right rally in

Charlottesville, Virginia.

Hands up!

Where anti -racism protester Heather
Heyer was killed by a Hitler -obsessed

-year -old.

The tragic outcome and the evident
extremism of the event led to the

disintegration of the so -called alt
-right.

Many younger members regrouped under
Nick's leadership.

I'm Louis, how do you do? Nice to meet
you. Are you part of the cause?

Yes, sir. Absolutely.

How did you first find out about Nick
and America First?

Well, you know, there was a lot of
confusion in kind of the right -wing

political space at the time. And there
were some very nasty people, you know,

kind of involved in different movements,
different groups. And Nick was like one

of the only people who was kind of
identifying what these guys were doing

and how we could build something that
was like infinitely better, you know.

What did you see, Nick, that was, as you
saw it being done incorrectly?

I went to Charlottesville to protest the
removal of the Robert E. Lee statue.

I went to Charlottesville to protest
mass immigration.

Then you get there and you see people
throwing up a Roman salute and, you

you see a Nazi flag and it's like, well,
this isn't really what I signed up for.

And all these people are like total
freaks. They don't like America. They're

Christian. So what the hell are we
really doing here? So America first kind

emerged from that moment of confusion of
where does the Internet right wing go

after Trump?

And after Charlottesville.

We're almost ready for a test.

Okay, great.

Getting our projectors set up.

Wow, look at that.

Hey, Steven. This is Louis Theroux.

Are you familiar?

Yeah, nice to meet you. How are you
doing? Oh, yeah, nice to meet you. Yeah,

likewise. CBC, right? Yeah, that's it.
This guy's a documentarian, too.

You are, too? Are you here filming as
well? Yeah, we're going to be doing a

documentary. About Nick? Yeah. Who is
yours for?

It's for America First. For me. So
you're funding it? Mm -hmm.

Very cool.

That'll be nice because then you can
decide what goes in and what doesn't go

That's right, yeah.

What's going on, Junior?

Are you going to AFPAC too?

Yes.

How are you doing? Can we say hi? I'm
Louis from the BBC.

Nice to meet you.

Hi. Are you part of America First as
well?

I don't think you're a reporter. Oh,
okay.

No problem. Cute baby.

I was curious to speak to a female
member of the tribe because so far I've

mainly been seeing guys. Yeah, it's all
guys.

I mean, we try to, as best as we can,
keep women out of the inner circle.

when they get involved in these
dissident political movements, they tend

total disaster because this is a high
pressure, extremely high pressure

environment. Women tend to crack under
the pressure and they tend to cause

friction within the group. Is it your
view that women...

Really, their role is in the home rather
than in the workplace?

Yeah, 100%. Women have been convinced
that it's dignified to abandon your

children, I mean, from their womb,
literally, to go work in an office, you

to go work for a corporation.

How sick is that? Women should still
have the right to vote, right?

I mean, I don't think so, but that's
probably not going away anytime soon.

That's pretty fringe, isn't it, thinking
women?

Maybe you shouldn't have the right to
vote.

Yeah, but, I mean, look, the society's
broken.

So people that are in the mainstream
are, you know, they're participating in

totally broken system, you know.

So it's like, if the society's totally
destroyed, wouldn't it be the people on

the fringes that are, would have the
antidote?

Whatever side of the fringe, but
wouldn't it be the people on the

Because the people on the inside are
fucking everything up, you know, for

of a better word.

That's how I see it.

To his young fans, Nick is an icon.

Many of them have come up socialising
via online video games, immersed in the

culture of the internet.

How would you characterize what Nick is
doing? Is he on the rise, do you think?

He has become, in only four years, the
most successful dissident political

movement in modern history.

And he has the capability to get
thousands of young people to show up in

state in a moment's notice.

How is he doing that?

In that gaming and meme culture, right?
And he uses the same type of ironic

jokes that they do. So that's how he's
able to attract a younger crowd.

You seem young. Are you at university at
the moment? I am, yes. You're a

student? That's correct.

It's important to get young people
politically engaged to control not only

direction that the country is headed as
a whole, but especially the direction

that the conservative movement is headed
in. Are you a gamer? Is that part of

what's going on as well?

I think that's generally something that
would fit into the personality of a lot

of the attendees of this conference. I
think, you know, we generally like to

game a little bit of, you know,
Fortnite, Call of Duty here and there.

How did you connect with Nick?

We used to play Fortnite together.

You and Nick? Yeah. For real?

It's the new golf course.

Through Trump and through politics and
stuff, we kind of had similar ideas and

stuff, and we just kind of became
friends over the Internet, over Twitter.

Alongside his gamer following, Nick has
also made inroads in the political

establishment. Among the attendees was
former congressman Steve King.

One of the things that Nick and America
first have been criticized for is being

racist, right? I mean, that's
basically... He's accused of being a

supremacist.

An anti -Semitic? What we believe is
that we are created by God and all of us

created in his image. And once you
accept that, then there's no room for

racism whatsoever.

And the interaction I've had with the
young people that are here, this is the

energy core that will put America back
on the rails again because so much of

has run off the rails in the last year.

The event was sold out with around 300
attendees.

and thousands more watching live online.

A young underground bringing the taboo
culture of the darker parts of the

Internet into the real world.

When I see what's going on in the
country, I don't want to listen to some

these five -hour podcasts about
policymaking.

I want to get in front of somebody and
say, it's America first, bitch.

America is a Christian nation.

America ceases to retain

that English cultural framework.

and the influence of European
civilization, if it loses its white

core, and if it loses its faith in Jesus
Christ, then this is not

America anymore.

And I know some people aren't going to
like me saying this. I'm sure you all

going to love what I'm about to say,
but...

People watching at home are not, some of
them are not going, it's controversial.

Well, it's really, it's true, but it's
something that you can't say anymore.

White people founded this country.

This country wouldn't exist without
white people.

And white people are done.

It was shocking to hear Nick's vision
using lies and distortion to promote an

ethos of white identity and racial
division.

The following day, Nick released a tweet
to show that one of his speakers had

been a sitting congressman, Arizona's
Paul Gosar.

Outside of its annual AFPAC get
-together, Nick's movement exists

online community.

sharing ideas via message boards, in
-jokes, and live streams.

They're storming the Capitol right now?
Really? Dude, I'm at the Capitol.

One of Nick's closest associates is a
self -described internet troll named

Gionet, better known as Baked Alaska.

Other side of the building!

They breached the building! Other side!
Everyone!

Patriots, let's go!

Other side of the building!

Baked Alaska was at the U .S. Capitol on
January 6, 2021, where he live

-streamed himself from a congressional
office.

He

specializes

in confrontational live -streams.

and was facing a case of assault using
pepper spray.

I'd arranged to meet at his house on the
outskirts of Phoenix, Arizona.

Knowing of his fondness for provoking
those he views as political enemies, I

would be attempting to maintain my
composure.

May I come in? Yes.

Hey, Steve. How are you doing? Good. How
are you, Luke? Nice to see you.

How are you doing? Should I call you
Baked or Tim or... You can call me

Baked is all right. How are you doing?
Now, I've already caught that we're

filmed. Yes. I thought that might
happen, and it's kind of part of what

this interesting, right? Is it going out
live?

Uh, no.

So is it just for your film?

Yeah, well, we just don't trust
journalists, dude.

Like...

Journalists have been my worst enemy.

They suck.

How am I supposed to trust the media
when you have mainstream media literally

pushing out narratives that I'm a neo
-Nazi? I'm not a Nazi, guys, of course.

Calling me a racist, neo -Nazi, et
cetera. So how am I supposed to trust

media? Like, you seem like a cool guy.

You're still part of the mainstream
media, though.

You were at the Capitol insurrection,
right?

I wouldn't call it an insurrection. What
would you call it?

Capital riots.

The riots?

An insurrection would be something that
people planned.

Hey, look, there were people there that
did some dumb shit. I wasn't violent.

I didn't vandalize anything.

I am very right -wing, obviously, and I
believe in America first, but I

want nothing to do with any sort of
violence.

You do consider yourself very right
-wing.

Yes.

That is fair.

Far right?

I mean, I would say probably, yeah.

Like, people will say far right as,
like, a smear, and I used to be like,

no, no, I'm not far right.

But, I mean, I just don't really care
that much anymore.

Bates had grown up a child of Christian
missionaries in Alaska and pursued a

career doing viral journalism in Los
Angeles.

Later, he'd created memes... and
performed social media stunts in support

Trump and the far right.

Even your haters would describe you as a
social media genius or a social media

innovator. Yeah, I agree. I think that's
true.

Oh, yeah. I mean, I worked for BuzzFeed
as their social media strategist.

Which is a pretty liberal kind of more
celebrity -focused outfit, right? Yeah,

very liberal. You were at Chantville.
You were chanting, you will not replace

us. I believe white people should stand
up for themselves, but I'm not like a

white supremacist or nationalist or
anything like that.

I don't only want to be around white
people. I think I would like to be

majority of white people, similar to how
our nation was founded. It was about

like 75%, 80%. I think that's fine
because I want our country to stay

homogenous. But the ones who weren't
white were in chains.

Well, I don't support slavery, so.

This is a little living room where I
watch America First. Why have we got

Fuentes up there?

That's my favorite show. I was watching
it before you guys came in. For real?

Yeah. Nick is the most genius political
mind I've ever come across.

In what way?

He just speaks exactly how it is from
the heart, and he doesn't care if

something's going to be seen as
politically incorrect or anything like

just... uh truly speak the truth he's
only 22 and he's like i'm ready for him

be president like i know i know 100
nick's gonna be president you can clip

you know stephen how are we doing for
your documentary are you getting what

need mainstream media is viewed as the
enemy of course yeah you know,

type in Louis Theroux, and the first
thing that comes up is, like, Louis

is a neo -Nazi or, you know, whatever.

It's not nice for that to come up as the
first result.

Did it say that on Wikipedia?

Yeah, look, here. Tim G. and A., more
commonly known as Baked Alaska, is an

American neo -Nazi, anti -Semitic
conspiracy theorist. You've tweeted that

control the media.

Yeah, I did that.

You can see how that would be, um, anti
-Semitic.

I think anti -Semitic is sort of like...
a made -up term, like I think Jewish

people think they can't be criticized.

If you said white people suck, that's
literally an acceptable phrase in

society, in America, okay?

If I said Jews suck, oh my gosh, oh,
you're anti -Semitic. I don't think any

group of people should get a free pass.

I disagree with that.

What do you disagree with? Well, the
idea that the same rules should apply to

all races, like where historically white
people have been in power.

You know, a lot of it is to do with how
power fits.

If you're doing comedy or people are
getting roasted, I think you should be

to use any means necessary.

I mean, this is a great song.

Have you seen this one?

One more time, oh, one more time.

I just wanna make fun of a liberal and
I'll feel fine One more time,

one more time I didn't do nothing but
I'll pay the crime Twitter

is fucking gay Twitter is fucking gay

Twitter is fucking gay Twitter is

fucking gay Twitter is really gay Oh,
yeah, it's fucking gay. Yeah.

I made this when I got banned from
Twitter.

One more time.

I didn't do nothing, but I'll pay the
crime.

I didn't do nothing, but I'll pay the
crime.

I don't think I had heard that one
before.

Nice. I'm glad I got a...

Show that to you. Do you remember what
it was that got you kicked off Twitter?

I mean, dude, these days you don't
really have to say much. And I think I

something like, ban all Muslims from the
US.

And then... You wrote that on Twitter?
Yeah. Why?

Because it was funny.

I don't support any immigration.

You know, we can't have an unlimited
amount of people here. But if you want

ban all immigration, why did you mention
Muslims specifically?

It was responding to Trump's immigration
ban because...

A lot of the Muslims are higher risk
for, you know, terrorist attacks.

Some shit like that.

But that, you could see that was a kind
of divisive and provocative statement.

Yeah, of course.

That's why I tweeted it.

It was a puzzling formula.

Playing at being racist while also being
racist.

and accusing critics of lacking a sense
of humour.

The master of this approach was, of
course, Nick.

Since I'd last seen him, I'd dug further
into his broadcasts.

His agenda was white nationalist in all
but name.

to replace us in our own country. You
think they really like white people?

really care about white people? They
want to kill you. They want to see you

dead. Putting white racial interest
above all else.

Stop acting like black women. Black
women are fucking obnoxious. And

particular animosity towards Jewish
people.

They will protect against hatred for
everything except for Christianity,

whiteness, and right -wing political
views.

Everything else is protected.

If you're short, dumb, ugly, retarded,
if you're in a wheelchair, if you're

black, if you're Muslim, Jewish, if
you're Jewish, if you're a Zionist, if

you're Jewish, if you're in a
wheelchair, if you're Jewish, it's all

Following on from our encounter in
Florida, he'd arranged to meet in his

hometown of Chicago.

I was curious to find out how a
disturbing figure like Nick with cutting

to a large and growing audience of
impressionable young men.

In the past, a voice like yours would
have had to come up through a TV network

or some kind of news outlet, right?
Right. But you built your voice and your

platform using social media, would that
be correct?

So, I mean, I basically have a very
intuitive sense, as all Generation Z do,

social media, smartphones and the...

information ecosystem you know the
mechanics of it are are pretty

straightforward you know i mean you
create content you share it you hope

people notice it and that they'll uh you
know that that's what social media is

at that time then you were a youtuber in
a sense i was i was a youtuber like

pewdiepie yeah i am like you dropped out
of college were your parents pushing

back at all thinking like what's nick
doing he's just in the basement

Recording, like, homemade videos.

Yeah, and they pushed me. They said, you
know, what are you going to do? You've

got to get a job or go to school. You've
got to have a plan. And I told them,

why don't you just give me one year to
explore this? And if it works out, then

I'll keep doing it. And if it doesn't
work out, then I'll abandon it and I'll

get a job or I'll go back to school.

And it worked out.

Nice day, boy.

Usually I would have the top down, get a
little ice cream.

See, I'm a simple guy. Am I a sick guy?

Did someone say you were a sick guy?
Yeah, people, well, I mean, they imply

Hate monger.

Yeah, I'm not a hate, I'm a love monger.
I'm out here mongering love.

In one of the pieces of footage I'd come
across, Nick had talked about our

meeting in Florida and his impression of
me.

Alexander says, what's Louis Theroux
like? Is he doing a documentary with

He is.

You know, he has the same problem that
all journalists do. He's pretentious,

know. Here's a little piece of advice.

To be a good investigator, you got to be
humble, okay?

We may talk about Jewish power and we
may talk about black crime, but that

doesn't mean that, you know.

I wake up every day animated by racial
hatred. You know, I mean, that's just

retarded, frankly.

And pretentious liberal journalists
either are, you know, too arrogant to

understand that.

They think they know it all or whatever,
or they don't even care. And they just

have their own agenda. They've got their
worldview.

It was almost a little bit
disappointing.

It was almost a little bit
disappointing.

It's your parents' place, am I right?
Yes.

Are your parents around?

No, no, they're not around.

Back at his parents' house where he
lived, recording his dreams from the

basement, I decided to challenge him on
his comments.

I saw the monologue you did about me.

Yeah, I did do a monologue about you. I
just want you to know that I

fundamentally disagree with what you
promote and with what you stand for. But

I'm here because I'm curious about you.
Right. Does that make sense?

Totally. You disagree with what I stand
for. I disagree with what you stand for.

But I tend to operate with people in
good faith. I wonder if it's helpful

to...

Almost like put the cards on the table
in a way, right? Because you've been

characterized as white nationalist,
right? Repeatedly. Sometimes you come

to embracing the term and all through so
much of your commentary is an idea of

like... white racial identity is being
poured to your belief system.

I've not advocated on my show for a
whites -only nation or for ethnic

or for this idea that non -whites cannot
participate in American identity or

America. What you do think is that
America should be majority white.

Yes, yes.

I saw a video of you. It looked like an
undercover recording.

It was. I know what you're talking
about. Where you said, someone said, you

think...

mixed race relationships are like
bestiality. And your reply was, well,

both degenerate. Yeah.

This was like four years ago.

It was a private conversation.

But, you know, I was playing devil's
advocate about this idea that

relationships are totally like the best
idea. I happen to be very old school.

I'm very traditional.

It's not a value that I have that that's
a good thing or even necessarily

something that's appropriate. It's not a
bigoted thing. It's not a white

nationalist thing or a hateful thing,
which is... You give people a lot of

though. You were talking about gay
people getting married.

Uh -huh.

And your line was like, I don't want
them getting married.

And other people say, I don't care what
you do as long as you do it in your

bedroom. Right. And you said, I don't
even want you doing it in your bedroom.

Yeah. I think it's gross what goes on
there.

And, no,

I don't think they should be doing it.
Some people, because conservatives.

you were less careful on that one. That
was interesting.

What do you mean less careful? Well,
there was no irony.

There was less of a twinkle in your eye
when you said that. Well, I mean, look.

I make a lot of jokes online. I am
ironic a lot of the time, but people can

discern my real views. I'm Catholic. The
Catholic view is we want to live in a

decent, virtuous society where people
are not doing immoral, gravely sinful

things. You have expressed a degree of
sympathy or even common cause with

white nationalists. I don't understand
the hang -up on, so why are you not a

white nationalist? So aren't you a white
nationalist? I mean, why are you so

interested in that in particular?

Categorizing me as that thing.

Because that's the most prohibited part
of your beliefs. What makes you Nicholas

J. Fuentes, right, is the fact that
there's a racial component.

Right, right. Even the right wing of the
Trumpers, what makes you different from

them is that you talk about Jewish
power, alleged Jewish power, and black

crime, and that you're talking about
white, specifically white identity.

I want America to work. I believe in
America. We've just got to stop

immigration. That's all.

Can we watch you doing your show?

Yes.

Nick told me his streams, hosted on his
own website, reach as many as 10 ,000

live viewers a night.

Good evening, everybody. You are
watching America First. My name is

Fuentes. We have a great show for you
tonight. Very excited to be back with

here tonight on Monday.

Seems like...

Though he is technically banned from
most social media companies, clips from

show often go viral and are seen by
millions across different platforms.

When you go out there and you say, I
don't care about the browning of

and you say that there's going to be no
consequences from that, that people are

interchangeable, well, you're lying.

He said he makes up to $4 ,000 per show
from people who pay him to respond to

their messages and that the donations
have made him a millionaire.

Morton Trump says, can women even be
funny, though?

No, they can't be.

And often when they're funny, they're
unintentionally funny. The real question

is, can women be intentionally funny?
The answer is no. After nearly three

of nonstop streaming, close to midnight,
Nick wrapped things up.

As always, I'm Nicholas J. Fuentes.
Thank you for watching, and I'll see you

tomorrow. Until then, have a great rest
of your evening.

Okay. Whoa.

Did you enjoy that?

Well, it's more enjoyable in the first
hour.

Victor Lasker thinks you're going to be
president one day. Oh, yeah?

I don't know about that, but maybe.

You'd like to be. I would, I would. I'm
not going to lie.

Who wouldn't be? Who wouldn't want to? I
wouldn't want to. No?

Nick's political aims are supported by
many in far -right circles.

The neo -Nazi Daily Stormer website has
repeatedly endorsed his strategy of

pushing a more PR -friendly brand of
white nationalism.

But his main constituency has been
online gamers, incels, and so -called

pros.

This guy's the fucking winner, dude.
Like, this guy's the fucking winner.

going to do what it takes to win, you
know.

One of those who lent early enthusiastic
support in his homemade streaming show

was a gamer named Matt Evans, better
known as Beards and Beardly.

A friend and political ally of Nick,
they discussed the need for a less off

-putting, more optical version of white
nationalism in freewheeling online

conversations.

We're having a lot of success
politically.

The message is getting out. We're waking
people up. People are talking about

ending democracy.

Now is not the time to be fucking around
and to be caught off guard because we

want to be nice. Well, you know what?

Sabotaging the white race and sabotaging
our movement isn't nice.

I'd met him briefly at AFPAC.

Since then, candid footage from an
anonymous source had been posted online

showing him leaving the event in Nick's
car.

and delivering what looked very much
like a Nazi salute.

Another grainy image suggested it might
not be by mistake.

Beardson lives in a small town in
western Kentucky.

You got that off the internet?

Yeah. How much did they charge you for
that? It was only like 12 bucks.

i wasn't that committed 12 bucks i
thought it'd be more than that no a

-shirt costs more than that oh you must
take value off it having my face on it

how you doing doing all right thank you
for having us yeah no problem so like

why do you like why the hell do you want
to talk to me well because you were a

pack and um you you they call you the
general in the movement yeah they call

nick general one of his trusted
lieutenants i don't know about that but

so weird talking to you with three faces
of me staring back we're trying to get

a sense of the movement so -called
dissident right whatever you want to

that thing that you're a part of that
used to be called white nationalism but

guess that's not a term that's in favor
anymore.

No, I mean, I'm not a white nationalist
or anything.

You kind of have to say that, right?

To be optical?

No, I'm not even a political guy.

Really? No, I'm a gamer, dude.

I play video games.

Is that the line you're taking?

Because it is a political movement.
Like, the Knicks outfit is explicitly

political. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. I'm
just friends with the guy.

Are we all right to go in? Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, thank you.

This is your new place? You just moved
in? Literally just like three hours ago,

picked up the keys to the place.

Oh, okay.

How would you characterize what you do?

Comedian. Kind of a troll, could we say?

Yeah.

I mean, as far as like, I don't know, my
vague political beliefs or whatever, I

mean, I'm a punk rock kid, you know? I
look at whatever is anti -authoritarian.

I've always been a guy that goes against
the grain, you know, making...

edgy jokes on the internet is punk rock
you know what i mean but we're not gonna

be silly about it and pretend that
there's no racial dimension to what

involved in well yeah i mean of course
like you have to i mean you have to be

honest about it and have a conversation
about it but it's not some like racial

hatred you know but that's the way it
always comes across right anytime you

bring up the idea of race or you talk
about racial division in this country

obviously it must mean that you hate all
the other races that's the way that

it's perceived every single time and
it's not true

So how was AFPAC? It was fun.

Speeches were cool, I guess. Can I get
something out of the way? Yeah, go

Okay.

So on the day, on the last day I was
there, you were leaving with Nick in a

Yeah. And you did a Nazi salute.

Oh, I didn't mean to.

I was just trying to wave.

But it was quite clearly a Nazi salute.
It wasn't a Nazi salute.

Can we look at it?

Look, it was an accident if it was. I
was just trying to do one of those. Have

you seen it? Yeah, it looks kind of bad.
I'll be honest with you, it did look

bad. Dude, I'm not a Nazi, man.

If this is what it's going to be, I'm
not going to... No, but we've got to...

mean, I would look like a chump if I
didn't bring it up, right?

Wouldn't I? I think you look like a
chump bringing it up.

Do you really think I'm a Nazi?

See, look, right there. See how I'm
going like that? Like a military salute.

That one, but you did it twice.

You're at an event whose entire kind of
raison d 'etre really is to say, hey,

you know what?

We're not the alt -right.

We don't want anything to do with those
guys. Yeah.

We don't want swastikas. We don't want
any of that Hitler esoteric. Right.

You know, in a sense, you had one job.

Right. And you failed.

Because you did a two nazi salute.

I did not do a nazi salute.

Well, it looked like you know that word
optic Yeah, that term of like, oh, yeah,

i'm very familiar with the term. Yeah,
you know what else i'm familiar with is

the term bad journalism You should get
the fuck out of my house. I'm not in

house Yeah, well you can leave because I
don't want this interview done.

Can we de -escalate please?

No Are you going to sit there and say
I'm doing a Nazi salute?

I asked you if you were. It was quite
evident you looked like one.

Get the fuck out of my house.

Are you kidding me?

When did you lose your sense of humor?

When did you lose your sense of
integrity?

That's it?

Yeah, that's it.

Yeah, you too. Bye -bye.

How about you go back to the UK and sit
on a fucking dick and spin? How about

that?

Ejected by a surprisingly thin -skinned
troll, what was most striking was that

someone who gave Nazi salutes was also
offended by being asked about them.

But we weren't finished yet.

What's going on, my dudes?

Beardson was about to hit back on his
one -man streaming channel.

I wanted to go live to talk about my
latest experience that I just had.

Literally just had it just a second ago.

And if you're watching this, Louis,
which I'm sure you probably are, yeah,

fuck yourself.

You're a disingenuous hag.

Oh, hey, I'm getting a phone call right
now. I'm getting a phone call.

Hello? Hey, I'm watching you.

Yeah, are you? We were about to have a
conversation.

I asked you a straightforward question.

Like, how did you expect that that would
not come up?

Because it wasn't, because you're the
only person that has ever once said that

to me about that.

I'm not dealing with this. I'm not
dealing with your pretentiousness, and

not dealing with your slander, okay? You
can either listen to what I have to

say, or you can go fuck yourself.

Well, I understand you're annoyed now.

Why don't you explain to me what your
views are?

Why don't you explain to me how you're a
total fucking scumbag? How about that?

I'm not dumb. I'm not an idiot, Louis.
You're not goading a fucking interview

out of me. You are a piece of shit, and
I don't like you.

Listen, you're involved in a movement
that's been characterized by its enemies

as white nationalists. Here, Louis, go
fuck yourself. I have nothing left to

to you. Eat shit. Bye -bye.

Beardson's machismo seemed symptomatic
of America First.

and the far -right male persona
generally.

Given the pervasive misogyny of the
movement, I was curious to meet a woman

any way connected with America First.

Hello, Nick Fuentes. This is Dr.

Milfy. How are you doing today?

I'm doing all right. How are you doing?

Brittany Venti is a sometime friend of
Nick Fuentes and Beards and Beardly.

She too was raised on the internet,
gravitating to the darker areas of the

She'd also been at Charlottesville with
Baked Alaska.

In her online videos, she plays the role
of a gamer

girl who trolls her mainly male audience
for donations.

It's not my fault that I deserve money
more than you. It's not my fault that

someone likes me more than you. Lately,
Brittany had fallen out with Nick

Puentes and his team. She said due to
some jokes she'd made about them online.

That's fine. I'm okay with being hated.
I'm always hated. It makes no difference

to me. What do I have to lose by telling
the truth?

I'd arranged to see her at her home in
New York.

Hello, I'm Louie. How do you do? I'm
good.

May I come in?

So this is where you do your work?

Yes. And you've got a pink purple MAGA
hat up there. Are you a Trump fan?

I like the fact that he trolls.

That's my favorite part about him. He
lower taxes and he's kind of like

provocative.

Kind of like how my style is. It reminds
me of that.

You don't mind getting a pink mug, do
you?

I like a pink mug.

That's very progressive.

I was curious how Brittany had got
involved in the far right in the first

and where she stood with it now.

You were at Charlottesville, right, when
they were chanting, you will not

replace us and Jews will not replace us.

I didn't even know fully the details
about Charlottesville. I was told a few

days ahead of time by a friend, like...
You need to go to this event. You need

to go to this event. But what about the
message and the whole Jews will not

replace the chant?

I assume that they were just joking,
like saying it like tongue in cheek.

Because one person said it and then some
people started saying it.

So that's why I say maybe some people
are joking about it. I don't know.

They weren't joking.

I mean, people say stuff that's like
anti -Semitic, but it's like tongue in

cheek sometimes.

So like I said, the line of irony.

sometimes gets a little bit blurry.

I think you should be able to joke about
most things so long as it's not like

threatening to harm someone.

You were online very early, right?

Yeah. I didn't have any friends, and
that's why I turned to the Internet for

friendship. Was there some sense in
which you were, like, finding your

online? Oh, definitely, for sure.

I thought it was so funny. It was just
so wild back then, like the Wild West.

From being inside the movement somewhat,
right? Which we could say you were,

right? Yeah, I've been able to observe a
lot of it. What's your take on what

America First is about and what Nick
Fuentes is about?

Back in the day, I definitely thought
more of it was joking than not. But then

it became not a joke.

Like, for example, when they say, like,
don't race, Nick, and you have to be

like...

none at all like that type of thing or
when it's like about how all

women are whores it's like no that's
actually not tongue -in -cheek like

initially thought because I thought like
oh well like I'm not the modern woman I

definitely want a husband and I'm
conservative like there should be no

they have a problem with me but no it
didn't matter not good enough so I

realized that when I saw like how

How horrible they were to me.

And by horrible you mean?

Insulting, harassing, try to report you,
get your stuff taken down.

I think the worst thing I've seen is the
bits and things. Have you seen that?

Yeah, I did see it once.

So would you be comfortable showing it
to me?

Don't feel any pressure to do it?

Yeah, I mean... You sure? Yeah.

In person. And I'm married. I'm going to
fucking put my dick in your fucking

asshole. I'm going to remove your pants.
I'm going to remove my pants. I'm going

to stick my dick in your ass. I'm going
to rape you. Because you're such a dumb

fucking bitch.

That you do not understand.

You have involved yourself into a
community that you do not understand.

And for that, you're going to get anally
raped.

Okay.

I mean, I guess that there's a sense of
humor with the obscenity of it, like,

but it doesn't make it okay to say that
because it's still, like, extremely

inappropriate and disrespectful. I feel
like disrespectful is too nice of a

word.

I just think it's because his buddies
didn't like me, so it's like, oh, you

can't like Brittany Venti, so gotta
turn.

I think that's what it is.

because, like I said, they have a
problem with women no matter what flavor

woman you are.

The attacks on Brittany by her former
friends seem to have opened her eyes to

the misogyny of the movement she'd been
part of.

But it was striking that she still made
light of the hatefulness of the anti

-Semitic chanting at Charlottesville.

Experts increasingly view the greatest
terrorist threat in the US as coming

the far right and highlight the global
reach of the message.

It was after a 2019 attack in
Christchurch, New Zealand in which 51

killed by a terrorist steeped in the
culture of the internet that Faked

had released a surprising video.

was radicalized by the alt -right and
became a right -wing extremist.

he does is the 101 playbook for right
-wing extremists, and I know because

hung around these guys in the past.

We need to start educating people the
difference between Internet culture and

reality before things go way out of hand
like they did in New Zealand.

But within months... he'd reverted back
to his far -right positions, embracing a

full -time career as a live -streaming
internet troll.

Increasingly, I'd wondered about the
danger of internet hate translating into

real -world harm.

With that in mind, I'd arranged to meet
him in Tampa, Florida, where he was

streaming. I was hoping to understand
the dark seduction of the online

community, knowing it would involve
another dose of highly upsetting

Guys, we're going to have some fun later
tonight.

Don't miss it.

Louie, are you in the chat?

Louie!

Louie!

Nice to see you. How's it going?

Good.

We're live here, guys. Say hello.

Louie Thoreau.

I told him we had a special guest today.
And that was me?

That was you, yeah.

With Baked were two other lower -profile
far -right streamers, one going by

Lolv, another Woozer. How's it going?

Nick and Baked's documentary maker
friend Stephen Martinez was also along

the ride.

OK. You've been streaming for three
hours? Yeah. And you've got 331 people

watching live?

Yeah. And it's on YouTube.

Yes, on YouTube. I thought you'd been
deplatformed from YouTube.

Yeah, I have. So how are you doing it? I
just make new channels all the time.

Wow!

Doomer Squidward sent $100 yoga.

Let's go!

Thank you so much!

07's in chat.

Doomer Squidward, thank you, homie.

Fake streams are how he makes his
income.

They involve him provoking passers -by.

Step back. Get the fuck out of here.
This is my production, not yours.

spurred on by viewers who donate money
to play racist or otherwise provocative

music and messages on a speaker around
his neck.

Is this one of those German military
marching songs with Nazi

connotations?

I don't know if it has Nazi
connotations.

It's just a nice German song, you know.
I had the uncomfortable feeling my

presence was making him more money.

So I decided to keep in the background
as much as possible.

Hey, we got some Cubans out here.

Mexico, USA, baby.

Yeah. Trump, Trump 2024.

Yeah. Let's vote for Trump.

What was racist?

Calling us Cubans. I asked, I asked. I
asked, I said, are you Cuban? Hey, I

swear, they're donating a bad song right
now. Saying the N -word.

Much of the content played on Baked
Speaker was the most offensive racial

language. Please chill out with that.
Please chill out with that.

They seem to enjoy playing best risk gay
and then sometimes outright racist

material. Is that fair?

Yeah. What's that about?

It's comedy. It's edgy humor.

They play whatever they can to make us
uncomfortable.

It's not a cross -section of the broader
society, is it? It's almost like a self

-selected community of...

hard right trolls not everyone is right
wing though it's not really but more

than half of it has been extreme racial
abuse or extreme racial content

anonymous than three dollars louis
basically we just hate to get the new

it's not so much a right wing left wing
thing it's like a human versus subhuman

thing you know oh man um okay

The fact that it's so horrible, like
what's coming in, does that ever make

think maybe you're doing something
wrong?

No, not really, because we live in a
world where you can't hear any of this

language. It's all extremely censored.

It's all, you know, so taboo and so
forbidden that to me, you know, some of

stuff I don't like to hear. But for the
most part, a lot of it's refreshing.

As the evening wore on, Bates did more
stunts with strangers.

His dream, a queasy mix of playfulness,
accompanied

by racist messages paid for by donors on
his speaker.

It seemed, in a way, a distillation

of the far -right internet impulse.

Shock and offence, driven by the whims
of anonymous trolls and an influencer

looking for clicks.

You don't know me.

You guys are fucking retards. He knows.

You're not the arbiter of truth here,
bitch, okay?

As we headed to a final location, Baked
talked unguardedly about me.

You know, they manipulate and act like
they're interested in me as a streamer,

but whenever I show them good streams,
they're like, they just want to talk

about, like...

They want to talk about all their buzz
topics to, like, make us look bad.

In the early hours of the morning, I'd
seen more than enough.

I decided to challenge Baked about the
potentially lethal consequences of his

far -right beliefs by using his own
words against him.

OK, let's finish this. OK. Yes.

In 2019, you said you'd recently left
the alt -right and regretted ever

contributing anything to that culture.

Mm -hmm. You said I was just... So what
does this have to do with live

streaming? You said I was just... I
thought you were interested in live

streaming. I am.

No, you're just interested in your
bullshit little agenda. No, this is a

from you. I was just a normal guy who
liked memes and I got radicalized.

No, that's bullshit. And then you said
about your alt -right career... No, no,

no, no. ...it had been a pretty big
disaster, to be honest.

No, no, no, no, no.

Your point was that in the aftermath of
51 people being killed, Muslim people at

prayer in their...

I don't think it's good. I don't support
violence. Yeah, Louis.

Can I make the bigger point, though,
which is that many people would see the

language of racial division as
contributing to a climate where

violent acts flourish, right?

No, here you go with the manipulating
again. Here you go with the manipulating

again. No, no, you say, oh, it's not a
hit piece, I want to know about

streaming. You don't give a fuck about
streaming.

No, it's not.

No, you said it's not.

You went straight to trying to call,
label me in America first as white

nationalist, light, and all this dumb
shit.

And it's just like, everyone can see
through your fucking gay agenda.

No, you're a piece of shit, dude. I gave
you a chance.

You're anti -Christian.

You're anti -white. You're a fucking
punk. You're a lying piece of shit.

And that's all you do.

I tried to give you a chance to be real
and genuine, but you're not a real human

being. No, you're not capable of that,
Louie. Why don't you apologize for your

fucking ancestors from thousands of
years ago? Because you're white, Louie.

Aren't you? Aren't you white?

Yeah. Oh, so why don't you apologize for
who you are? Because you're a disgrace.

Why am I a disgrace?

Because you're white.

Apparently, we should be guilty. We
should feel terrible for being white,

We can't have a majority of white people
because we'd have a great country with

low crime.

God forbid that.

Why don't you just, um, isn't it all,
like, isn't it basically white

nationalism? Oh, wow, there we go. There
it comes out.

That's not offensive to you, is it?

You're a liar, I mean... You are a white
nationalist. No, I'm not. I think

everyone should be able to stand up for
their culture, absolutely. That's my

point. So you think it's got a negative
connotation, but in a descriptive sense,

it's accurate.

You promote white racial loyalty and a
white racial consciousness. White racial

consciousness, yeah.

Absolutely. It's semantics in the end.

So what do you think of Baked Alaska now
that you've hung out with me for a

couple of days?

I think you're obviously a talented
broadcaster and streamer. And I also

that parts of what you do, I find deeply
poisonous. Right.

And I think that it's anti -Semitic and
it's racist. And that's what I think.

All right. I think we're good.

Yeah. I'm not a white nationalist. I got
it.

You got to get that out of your head.

Stop believing the lies.

Bates' political self -labelling was, in
the end, immaterial.

His record of racist, homophobic and
misogynistic views spoke for itself in

vast digital catalogue of the Internet,
elevating the interests of white racial

identity above all else in America and
viewing it exclusively as under threat.

consider what's happening right now in
America as anything other than a

being perpetrated against the white man.
And if you're one of those people that

says that being pro -white is racist, is
white supremacist, white nationalist,

guess what? You're on the side of white
genocide.

In a world where everyone can have their
own platform, it may have been

inevitable that the voices of the
political fringe would be more amplified

would influence more people.

Twenty years ago, Nick Fuentes would
have been an almost invisible figure.

Now, thanks to the

internet, his message reaches young
people in homes around the world.

His avowed aim to undermine democracy
and advance the power of white men,

irony to mask an ambition that is deadly
serious.

There is nothing that can stop an idea
whose time has come. And America first,

the time has come now.