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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 2 00:00:02,503 --> 00:00:04,938 [narrator] The search for the Gilgo Beach serial killer 3 00:00:05,272 --> 00:00:07,975 dragged on for 13 long years. 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 5 00:00:09,576 --> 00:00:11,512 But it didn't have to be that way. 6 00:00:11,879 --> 00:00:13,981 [Dave Schaller] It wasn't The Amazing Kreskin came in 7 00:00:14,281 --> 00:00:16,683 and figured this [bleep] out. 8 00:00:17,017 --> 00:00:19,720 It was, on paper, 13 years. It's sickening. 9 00:00:21,221 --> 00:00:24,358 [narrator] Eleven bodies dumped in a five-mile radius. 10 00:00:24,691 --> 00:00:26,727 Rex Heuermann has been charged with murdering three. 11 00:00:27,027 --> 00:00:29,796 If he is the serial killer, 12 00:00:30,063 --> 00:00:32,566 it's likely he murdered more. 13 00:00:32,866 --> 00:00:36,837 [Dr. Phil McGraw] This is kind of an addictive aspect. 14 00:00:37,171 --> 00:00:40,474 They just have to act on that impulse. 15 00:00:40,741 --> 00:00:43,010 [narrator] Cops had clues for more than a decade 16 00:00:43,343 --> 00:00:44,811 that would have led them to Heuermann's doorstep. 17 00:00:45,145 --> 00:00:47,314 But those clues were ignored. 18 00:00:48,649 --> 00:00:51,852 I gave them the guy's description, down to his beady-ass eyes. 19 00:00:52,219 --> 00:00:54,721 They had everything they needed. 20 00:00:55,055 --> 00:00:56,490 [narrator] Some women who encountered Heuermann 21 00:00:56,790 --> 00:00:58,225 knew what was up. 22 00:00:58,525 --> 00:00:59,893 [Nikkie Brass] I told people for years, 23 00:01:00,194 --> 00:01:02,029 I had dinner with the Gilgo Beach killer. 24 00:01:03,363 --> 00:01:06,233 [narrator] Yet authorities turned a blind eye, 25 00:01:06,567 --> 00:01:08,735 in large part because of the top cop. 26 00:01:09,002 --> 00:01:10,304 [John Ray] He was morally, sexually corrupt. 27 00:01:10,671 --> 00:01:14,107 He was a pervert, and he was the one running the show. 28 00:01:14,408 --> 00:01:16,610 [narrator] The tragic reality: the bungling, 29 00:01:16,877 --> 00:01:18,378 the corruption, the missed clues, 30 00:01:19,980 --> 00:01:21,481 may have spiked the body count. 31 00:01:21,782 --> 00:01:24,351 [Dr. Scott Bonn] He may well have a burial ground 32 00:01:24,651 --> 00:01:25,853 that has yet to be discovered. 33 00:01:26,153 --> 00:01:28,488 [narrator] It's a travesty of justice 34 00:01:28,755 --> 00:01:30,157 with fatal consequences. 35 00:01:30,490 --> 00:01:31,859 TMZ Investigates: 36 00:01:32,192 --> 00:01:34,361 Gilgo Beach Serial Murders: 37 00:01:34,628 --> 00:01:35,662 Missed Warning Signs. 38 00:01:39,933 --> 00:01:46,306 [eerie music playing] 39 00:01:52,913 --> 00:01:55,749 [Rodney Harrison] Rex Heuermann is a demon that walks among us. 40 00:01:56,016 --> 00:02:01,421 [♪] 41 00:02:04,725 --> 00:02:08,195 A predator that ruined families. 42 00:02:17,404 --> 00:02:20,007 If not for the members of this task force... 43 00:02:21,975 --> 00:02:22,576 he would still be on the streets today. 44 00:02:29,783 --> 00:02:32,152 [reporter] 45 00:02:35,122 --> 00:02:37,558 [narrator] On July 13th, 59-year-old Rex Heuermann 46 00:02:37,824 --> 00:02:41,495 was arrested and charged with murdering three women 47 00:02:41,762 --> 00:02:47,167 found dead on Gilgo Beach on New York's Long Island back in 2010. 48 00:02:47,467 --> 00:02:51,705 The skeletal remains were found in this shallow grave. 49 00:02:55,108 --> 00:02:58,645 [narrator] It was a mystery that haunted a community for more than a decade, 50 00:02:58,979 --> 00:03:02,049 and it should have never taken that long. 51 00:03:02,349 --> 00:03:04,418 [Rob Trotta] It seems to me this should've been solved 52 00:03:04,785 --> 00:03:05,619 in the first three months, rather than 13 years later. 53 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,656 I really, really feel bad if-- if this person went out 54 00:03:09,990 --> 00:03:11,925 and killed other people during this time, 55 00:03:12,226 --> 00:03:14,895 and, you know, we dropped the ball. 56 00:03:15,128 --> 00:03:17,331 I gave them the [bleep] guy's description 57 00:03:17,631 --> 00:03:18,365 down to his beady-ass eyes. 58 00:03:18,732 --> 00:03:20,767 His size, height, weight. 59 00:03:21,001 --> 00:03:22,102 Everything. Hair color, [bleep], you name it. 60 00:03:22,402 --> 00:03:25,038 They had everything they needed. They had everything. 61 00:03:28,408 --> 00:03:30,644 [narrator] The victims: Megan Waterman, 62 00:03:30,944 --> 00:03:33,747 Melissa Barthelemy, and Amber Costello. 63 00:03:36,250 --> 00:03:38,151 Heuermann is also the prime suspect 64 00:03:38,385 --> 00:03:41,121 in the murder of Maureen Brainard-Barnes. 65 00:03:42,356 --> 00:03:44,758 They're known as the Gilgo Four. 66 00:03:45,025 --> 00:03:48,395 There were four bodies that had been disposed of 67 00:03:48,695 --> 00:03:52,466 in a similar fashion in the thicket in a very isolated, 68 00:03:52,833 --> 00:03:53,767 desolate area there on Long Island. 69 00:03:54,067 --> 00:03:57,304 It was obvious that we were dealing with a serial killer. 70 00:03:57,671 --> 00:04:02,342 [♪] 71 00:04:02,609 --> 00:04:04,678 [narrator] And there's another common thread: 72 00:04:04,945 --> 00:04:08,282 all of them were sex workers. 73 00:04:11,318 --> 00:04:16,156 [♪] 74 00:04:16,423 --> 00:04:20,827 There were a total of 11 bodies found within a five-mile radius. 75 00:04:21,128 --> 00:04:23,664 Authorities dismissed some as unrelated. 76 00:04:23,997 --> 00:04:25,966 But not everyone is buying that. 77 00:04:26,233 --> 00:04:28,936 There's also the distinct possibility 78 00:04:29,203 --> 00:04:32,339 that we're looking at a serial killer who evolved. 79 00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:36,977 One who went from dismemberment to one who simply said, 80 00:04:37,311 --> 00:04:39,279 "I'm going to leave these bodies wrapped in burlap 81 00:04:39,546 --> 00:04:42,149 because it's simply an easier thing to do." 82 00:04:42,516 --> 00:04:47,421 [♪] 83 00:04:47,688 --> 00:04:49,122 [dispatcher] State police. 84 00:04:54,261 --> 00:04:56,163 [narrator] 24-year-old Shannan Gilbert 85 00:04:56,430 --> 00:04:57,865 was not one of the Gilgo Four, 86 00:04:58,131 --> 00:05:01,368 but her mysterious disappearance back in 2010 87 00:05:01,668 --> 00:05:03,637 led cops to discover 88 00:05:03,971 --> 00:05:06,406 there was a serial killer on the loose. 89 00:05:12,045 --> 00:05:14,181 [narrator] Early in the morning of May 1st, 90 00:05:14,515 --> 00:05:18,685 Shannan, a sex worker, makes a 22-minute 911 call 91 00:05:18,952 --> 00:05:20,754 from a client's home near Gilgo Beach, 92 00:05:21,021 --> 00:05:24,124 claiming she's in big trouble. 93 00:05:30,697 --> 00:05:32,866 [narrator] Toward the end of the call, Shannan takes off running, 94 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,269 her phone still connected to 911. 95 00:05:35,536 --> 00:05:40,007 [phone line crackling] 96 00:05:42,476 --> 00:05:45,979 [Shannan screaming] 97 00:05:46,280 --> 00:05:48,148 [phone line crackling] 98 00:05:58,825 --> 00:06:04,464 [Shannan panting] 99 00:06:09,236 --> 00:06:11,538 [narrator] She's never heard from again. 100 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,541 [melancholy music playing] 101 00:06:23,750 --> 00:06:27,054 [narrator] Seven months later, on December 11th, 2010, 102 00:06:27,354 --> 00:06:29,857 a Suffolk County officer and his search dog 103 00:06:30,123 --> 00:06:33,060 are looking for Shannan's body on Gilgo Beach, 104 00:06:33,393 --> 00:06:36,296 not far from the last place Shannan was seen. 105 00:06:36,630 --> 00:06:39,600 [mysterious music playing] 106 00:06:39,867 --> 00:06:42,035 Just a few feet off Ocean Parkway, 107 00:06:42,369 --> 00:06:44,738 they make a gruesome discovery. 108 00:06:47,107 --> 00:06:48,075 It's not Shannan. 109 00:06:48,375 --> 00:06:51,311 It's the body of Melissa Barthelemy. 110 00:06:53,380 --> 00:06:56,316 Two days later, three more bodies are found: 111 00:06:56,650 --> 00:07:00,587 Maureen Brainard-Barnes, Megan Waterman, 112 00:07:00,921 --> 00:07:02,689 and Amber Lynn Costello. 113 00:07:07,561 --> 00:07:10,597 As the months passed, things get even worse. 114 00:07:10,864 --> 00:07:14,501 Seven more bodies are found within a five-mile radius of beach, 115 00:07:14,801 --> 00:07:16,203 11 in total. 116 00:07:16,537 --> 00:07:19,273 Eight of them female sex workers. 117 00:07:23,343 --> 00:07:27,047 The last body found: Shannan Gilbert's, 118 00:07:27,347 --> 00:07:30,317 19 months after she made that chilling call. 119 00:07:30,584 --> 00:07:33,620 All that was left were skeletal remains. 120 00:07:35,889 --> 00:07:38,225 It's all along a stretch of land which is a-- 121 00:07:38,525 --> 00:07:40,561 sort of an enlarged cemetery for sex workers. 122 00:07:40,894 --> 00:07:43,230 Cops say Shannan may have drowned, 123 00:07:43,564 --> 00:07:46,066 and possibly been under the influence of something. 124 00:07:46,333 --> 00:07:49,169 But her family believes she was murdered. 125 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,709 Everything Shannan did that night was perfectly rational, 126 00:07:55,976 --> 00:07:58,579 and look at the consequence. 127 00:07:58,846 --> 00:08:01,248 What happened to her is exactly what she predicted was about to happen to her. 128 00:08:01,515 --> 00:08:03,283 [Charles Latibeaudiere] Here's the enraging thing. 129 00:08:03,584 --> 00:08:05,853 During the 13 years the case went nowhere, 130 00:08:06,220 --> 00:08:07,421 other women may have been murdered, 131 00:08:07,721 --> 00:08:10,858 because serial killers typically have uncontainable, 132 00:08:11,225 --> 00:08:12,492 murderous tendencies. 133 00:08:12,793 --> 00:08:15,896 Some of these people do stop for periods of time, 134 00:08:16,230 --> 00:08:18,699 but the chance that he went dormant 135 00:08:18,999 --> 00:08:21,668 for that long a period of time, 13 years, 136 00:08:21,969 --> 00:08:23,971 is a very low probability. 137 00:08:24,204 --> 00:08:26,006 It-- it-- it boggles my mind. 138 00:08:26,306 --> 00:08:28,976 I hope to God that their incompetence 139 00:08:29,309 --> 00:08:30,844 didn't cause someone else to lose their life, 140 00:08:31,078 --> 00:08:34,214 because that would be a horrible, horrible thing 141 00:08:34,515 --> 00:08:36,416 for them to live with, to anybody to live with. 142 00:08:36,717 --> 00:08:40,153 Because this really, clearly, should've been solved right away. 143 00:08:40,754 --> 00:08:42,823 [narrator] Coming up... 144 00:08:43,123 --> 00:08:44,958 [Dr. Bonn] They are able to seamlessly flip a switch, 145 00:08:45,259 --> 00:08:50,130 go from husband and father to sadistic killer, 146 00:08:50,364 --> 00:08:54,568 and they can do it without any sort of shame. 147 00:08:54,935 --> 00:08:56,336 My father called me that morning, 148 00:08:56,637 --> 00:08:58,839 and said, "Hey, you know, that guy, the serial killer 149 00:08:59,106 --> 00:09:01,241 that we used to joke about?" And I said, "Yeah." 150 00:09:01,575 --> 00:09:02,676 He goes, "He's actually a serial killer." 151 00:09:03,243 --> 00:09:08,615 [♪] 152 00:09:13,086 --> 00:09:17,691 [dramatic music playing] 153 00:09:19,526 --> 00:09:21,495 [reporter] 154 00:09:21,762 --> 00:09:24,298 [narrator] Rex Heuermann was arrested in July 155 00:09:24,565 --> 00:09:27,134 at his architecture office in Manhattan. 156 00:09:27,401 --> 00:09:30,103 He has pled not guilty to multiple murder charges. 157 00:09:30,337 --> 00:09:33,707 But if he is the serial killer, 158 00:09:34,041 --> 00:09:36,710 he was living an insane double life 159 00:09:37,044 --> 00:09:40,280 in plain sight for a long, long time. 160 00:09:40,547 --> 00:09:41,882 -Rex, hi. -Hello! 161 00:09:42,149 --> 00:09:43,951 -How you doing? -Good to see you. 162 00:09:44,218 --> 00:09:45,519 Likewise. Hope you don't mind I brought my assistant with me. 163 00:09:45,853 --> 00:09:47,120 -Norman. -[Heuermann] Hello, Norman. 164 00:09:47,454 --> 00:09:49,857 [narrator] In this 2022 interview, 165 00:09:50,090 --> 00:09:51,992 Rex seems normal. 166 00:09:52,292 --> 00:09:55,362 Hard to believe this man could be a ruthless killer. 167 00:09:55,662 --> 00:09:59,700 What do you think is the most important qualities 168 00:09:59,967 --> 00:10:03,704 a person in your position 169 00:10:04,004 --> 00:10:06,840 -dealing with the job must have? -Patience. 170 00:10:07,174 --> 00:10:11,411 What has this job taught you about yourself? 171 00:10:14,848 --> 00:10:19,086 I think it's taught me more about how to understand people. 172 00:10:19,353 --> 00:10:22,222 [mysterious music playing] 173 00:10:22,556 --> 00:10:26,093 [narrator] On many levels, Heuermann seemed like a regular guy. 174 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,095 A college graduate, married to his second wife, 175 00:10:28,362 --> 00:10:32,266 Asa Ellerup, for 27 years. 176 00:10:32,599 --> 00:10:36,803 He raised two kids, a daughter and a stepson, both adults now. 177 00:10:37,070 --> 00:10:38,472 That was one life. 178 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,611 But cops say his other life was steeped in evil. 179 00:10:46,613 --> 00:10:48,782 He's definitely somebody that should not be out in the public, 180 00:10:49,116 --> 00:10:50,584 and being involved with other human beings. 181 00:10:50,884 --> 00:10:53,020 It is a Jekyll and Hyde, 182 00:10:53,287 --> 00:10:55,222 and I think we have enough information now, 183 00:10:55,489 --> 00:10:57,357 sadly, tragically, 184 00:10:57,624 --> 00:11:00,260 about serial killers, 185 00:11:00,594 --> 00:11:02,963 that had done exactly what we're describing here, 186 00:11:03,230 --> 00:11:04,665 living parallel lives. 187 00:11:04,998 --> 00:11:06,667 -It's... -Selfie time! 188 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,035 Selfie time. 189 00:11:10,070 --> 00:11:12,005 You're fast. 190 00:11:12,573 --> 00:11:14,408 Ready? One, two, three. 191 00:11:14,775 --> 00:11:16,677 Ah! 192 00:11:16,944 --> 00:11:18,111 -Can you smile? -That is! 193 00:11:18,445 --> 00:11:20,380 [laughing] 194 00:11:20,681 --> 00:11:22,216 [Dr. Bonn] What these individuals are able to do, 195 00:11:22,516 --> 00:11:25,485 they are able to seamlessly flip a switch, 196 00:11:25,819 --> 00:11:29,823 and go from family man, go from husband and father, 197 00:11:30,190 --> 00:11:32,092 to sadistic killer. 198 00:11:32,359 --> 00:11:36,463 And they can do it without any sort of shame, 199 00:11:36,763 --> 00:11:38,098 guilt, angst. 200 00:11:38,365 --> 00:11:42,569 No sense of right and wrong. 201 00:11:42,870 --> 00:11:46,874 [narrator] So sadistic, he allegedly called Melissa Barthelemy's sister 202 00:11:47,140 --> 00:11:49,543 to taunt her from Melissa's phone. 203 00:11:52,513 --> 00:11:55,182 When she was missing for a few days, and then the phone rang, 204 00:11:55,516 --> 00:11:57,384 and it said, "Melissa," like, from her phone, 205 00:11:57,718 --> 00:11:59,920 and Amanda, the sister, said, 206 00:12:00,254 --> 00:12:02,723 "Melissa, where have you been? We've been looking for you!" 207 00:12:02,990 --> 00:12:06,260 And then she heard that voice, of the killer. 208 00:12:06,527 --> 00:12:08,962 When you're seeing an offender reach out to family members 209 00:12:09,296 --> 00:12:11,532 that are already suffering 210 00:12:11,832 --> 00:12:13,934 and call them over and over and over 211 00:12:14,268 --> 00:12:15,802 to increase their suffering, 212 00:12:16,136 --> 00:12:20,107 you have someone who enjoys watching people suffer. 213 00:12:20,374 --> 00:12:22,476 And that's exactly what we have here. 214 00:12:26,747 --> 00:12:32,286 [♪] 215 00:12:35,622 --> 00:12:40,160 [eerie music playing] 216 00:12:42,529 --> 00:12:44,131 [narrator] When Heuermann was arrested, 217 00:12:44,431 --> 00:12:47,501 some of his neighbors weren't all that surprised. 218 00:12:47,801 --> 00:12:49,870 My father actually called me that morning and said, 219 00:12:50,237 --> 00:12:51,738 "Hey, you know that guy, the serial killer 220 00:12:52,105 --> 00:12:54,107 that we used to joke about?" And I said, "Yeah." 221 00:12:54,374 --> 00:12:55,742 He goes, "He's actually a serial killer." 222 00:12:58,445 --> 00:13:00,714 [narrator] People who knew Heuermann for years, 223 00:13:01,048 --> 00:13:04,351 since childhood, say he was always an outcast. 224 00:13:04,685 --> 00:13:07,354 [John Parisi] He was very strange, he was very smart, 225 00:13:07,688 --> 00:13:11,592 but he didn't have many friends, and he was very much to himself. 226 00:13:11,825 --> 00:13:12,860 He was a loner. 227 00:13:13,126 --> 00:13:15,729 Rex was bullied and teased 228 00:13:15,996 --> 00:13:17,097 for the way he appeared. 229 00:13:17,431 --> 00:13:20,567 If you dig deep enough, you'll find, somewhere, 230 00:13:20,868 --> 00:13:24,671 somewhere in the background, something triggered them, 231 00:13:24,972 --> 00:13:27,307 some anger, some unresolved conflict 232 00:13:27,574 --> 00:13:30,744 that they're acting out against these victims. 233 00:13:31,078 --> 00:13:32,246 Over the years, Rex Heuermann 234 00:13:32,513 --> 00:13:33,981 showed aggression in different ways. 235 00:13:34,281 --> 00:13:36,550 He filed multiple lawsuits, 236 00:13:36,884 --> 00:13:39,786 claiming he'd been hit by cars. 237 00:13:40,087 --> 00:13:40,921 And here's what's so puzzling. 238 00:13:41,188 --> 00:13:43,290 If he is the serial killer, 239 00:13:43,624 --> 00:13:47,227 why would he draw that kind of attention to himself? 240 00:13:47,561 --> 00:13:50,797 [Dr. Bonn] The fact that Rex Heuermann may have been involved 241 00:13:51,064 --> 00:13:54,168 in a number of legal cases where he was suing folks, 242 00:13:54,501 --> 00:13:57,504 that would indicate someone who is so narcissistic, 243 00:13:57,804 --> 00:13:59,940 things have to go his way, 244 00:14:00,274 --> 00:14:02,276 and wanting control and domination of others. 245 00:14:02,576 --> 00:14:04,411 They look at it from only their point of view, 246 00:14:04,711 --> 00:14:07,981 and they're so arrogant, they think, "I'm above the law. 247 00:14:08,348 --> 00:14:10,484 Nobody's gonna look at me, nobody's gonna catch me. 248 00:14:10,784 --> 00:14:13,854 I'm a respected architect, I know what I'm doing. 249 00:14:14,221 --> 00:14:16,723 People think I'm, you know, a big deal here. 250 00:14:17,090 --> 00:14:18,225 They'll never suspect me." 251 00:14:18,492 --> 00:14:23,063 And sadly, in many cases, that turns out to be right. 252 00:14:24,731 --> 00:14:26,533 [narrator] In March of 2022, 253 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,002 authorities finally zeroed in on Heuermann, 254 00:14:29,303 --> 00:14:31,872 and the walls started to close in. 255 00:14:32,172 --> 00:14:34,541 Where we'd get his internet searches, he was making inquiry 256 00:14:34,842 --> 00:14:39,079 with regard to the Gilgo investigation over 200 times. 257 00:14:39,379 --> 00:14:41,582 He was also doing a lot of searches 258 00:14:41,815 --> 00:14:43,150 with regard to a lot of torture porn 259 00:14:43,483 --> 00:14:45,752 and other rather disturbing searches. 260 00:14:46,086 --> 00:14:47,421 [narrator] Heuermann was also googling 261 00:14:47,721 --> 00:14:51,325 family members of the victims, including a child. 262 00:14:51,592 --> 00:14:54,561 Cell phone records put Heuermann in proximity 263 00:14:54,828 --> 00:14:56,763 to all four victims. 264 00:14:57,097 --> 00:14:59,499 Authorities used DNA from a discarded pizza crust 265 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,303 to match Heuermann to hair found on one of the victims. 266 00:15:03,637 --> 00:15:06,807 We looked at travel records, and were able to establish 267 00:15:07,074 --> 00:15:08,942 that the wife and the children 268 00:15:09,209 --> 00:15:10,978 were out of the state during the time 269 00:15:11,278 --> 00:15:12,613 of the commission of those crimes. 270 00:15:15,549 --> 00:15:17,818 [narrator] After his arrest on July 13th, 271 00:15:18,085 --> 00:15:20,454 cops spent 12 days searching Heuermann's home, 272 00:15:20,721 --> 00:15:22,523 digging up his yard. 273 00:15:22,756 --> 00:15:26,593 No bodies, but they unearthed a boatload of evidence, 274 00:15:26,827 --> 00:15:30,097 including nearly 300 firearms. 275 00:15:30,364 --> 00:15:33,166 And here's a chilling detail. 276 00:15:33,433 --> 00:15:37,070 Heuermann also owns properties in Las Vegas and South Carolina. 277 00:15:37,337 --> 00:15:40,174 Investigators want to know, in the 13 years the case went unsolved, 278 00:15:40,474 --> 00:15:43,010 did the accused Gilgo serial killer 279 00:15:43,277 --> 00:15:45,879 murder way beyond the confines of his hometown? 280 00:15:46,146 --> 00:15:47,548 [Errol Toulon] Not only are we worried about other lives 281 00:15:47,814 --> 00:15:50,184 being lost, not only here in Suffolk County but, you know, 282 00:15:50,517 --> 00:15:53,353 we're looking at South Carolina, we're looking at Las Vegas, 283 00:15:53,654 --> 00:15:55,122 we're looking at anywhere Rex Heuermann might have been. 284 00:15:55,455 --> 00:15:56,990 You can't assume in a situation like this 285 00:15:57,324 --> 00:15:59,760 that you have found all these victims. 286 00:16:00,027 --> 00:16:01,562 This person traveled out of state. 287 00:16:01,828 --> 00:16:03,697 He had places in other locales. 288 00:16:03,964 --> 00:16:06,133 For anyone to assume that this person killed 289 00:16:06,433 --> 00:16:08,302 all these people and then stopped in 2010, 290 00:16:08,602 --> 00:16:09,770 I don't believe that. 291 00:16:10,103 --> 00:16:10,971 There was critical evidence 292 00:16:11,305 --> 00:16:14,208 sitting right in Rex Heuermann's driveway, 293 00:16:14,474 --> 00:16:16,777 evidence that went unnoticed by cops 294 00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:19,112 for more than a decade. 295 00:16:19,413 --> 00:16:20,781 Evidence that could've put him in cuffs 296 00:16:21,114 --> 00:16:23,517 and spared other women their lives. 297 00:16:23,851 --> 00:16:28,789 And one of the reasons cops dropped the ball is mind-blowing. 298 00:16:29,056 --> 00:16:30,991 [narrator] Coming up, 299 00:16:31,291 --> 00:16:33,527 a major piece of evidence ignored. 300 00:16:33,827 --> 00:16:37,631 It wasn't The Amazing Kreskin came in and figured this [bleep] out. 301 00:16:37,965 --> 00:16:41,835 It was on paper for [bleep] 13 years, you know? It's sickening. 302 00:16:42,169 --> 00:16:45,472 [narrator] Plus, the top cop who may have derailed the investigation 303 00:16:45,739 --> 00:16:46,807 for very personal reasons. 304 00:16:47,174 --> 00:16:49,810 He was morally, sexually corrupt. 305 00:16:50,177 --> 00:16:50,677 He was a pervert. 306 00:16:51,245 --> 00:16:56,283 [♪] 307 00:17:00,220 --> 00:17:05,993 [dramatic music playing] 308 00:17:11,398 --> 00:17:12,432 [narrator] Rex Heuermann lived his life, 309 00:17:12,766 --> 00:17:15,502 walked the streets, 310 00:17:15,769 --> 00:17:19,072 and possibly continued his alleged murderous rampage 311 00:17:19,406 --> 00:17:22,776 undetected for 13 long years. 312 00:17:23,110 --> 00:17:25,746 A lot of people say it didn't have to be that way. 313 00:17:26,113 --> 00:17:27,881 From the pieces I've put together, 314 00:17:28,248 --> 00:17:31,385 you know, this is Investigations 101. 315 00:17:33,153 --> 00:17:36,690 Turns out, a major clue was missed early on. 316 00:17:37,024 --> 00:17:39,860 A clue that eventually cracked the case, 317 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,930 and it was either ignored or deliberately pushed aside 318 00:17:43,230 --> 00:17:45,499 for all those years. 319 00:17:45,866 --> 00:17:48,535 It came from a man named Dave Schaller. 320 00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:54,408 This guy just screamed "freak," you know what I mean? 321 00:17:54,741 --> 00:17:57,244 Like, everything about him. 322 00:17:57,544 --> 00:18:00,113 [narrator] Schaller was roommates with one of the Gilgo Four victims, 323 00:18:00,447 --> 00:18:01,248 Amber Costello. 324 00:18:01,515 --> 00:18:03,317 A few weeks before Amber vanished, 325 00:18:03,584 --> 00:18:06,253 Schaller had a violent encounter with a man 326 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,256 who had hired Amber for a lap dance in their home. 327 00:18:09,523 --> 00:18:12,392 A man he says was Rex Heuermann. 328 00:18:16,463 --> 00:18:19,633 I was out. She calls me, and it was like, the guy, you know, 329 00:18:19,967 --> 00:18:21,134 didn't wanna take no for an answer, 330 00:18:21,401 --> 00:18:23,770 and started grab-assing on her, you know? 331 00:18:24,071 --> 00:18:26,340 And was basically, you know, trying to pull her down 332 00:18:26,673 --> 00:18:28,475 to-- you know, to rape her. 333 00:18:28,809 --> 00:18:31,211 So, came flying back to the house, 334 00:18:31,545 --> 00:18:34,081 busted through the door, and there's a giant in my living room. 335 00:18:34,414 --> 00:18:36,950 [laughs] Basically, he was like Frankenstein. 336 00:18:37,284 --> 00:18:40,821 The guy just was like a motionless, just, you know, blank. 337 00:18:41,121 --> 00:18:42,723 So I was like, you know, 338 00:18:42,990 --> 00:18:43,557 "What the [bleep] you doing here?" 339 00:18:43,857 --> 00:18:46,393 I was like, you know, "You gotta go." 340 00:18:46,660 --> 00:18:50,430 And he's like-- You know, he just shook his head, and he's like, "Nope." 341 00:18:50,731 --> 00:18:52,833 And I was like, "Well, you're gonna go one way or another." 342 00:18:53,166 --> 00:18:55,969 So I pushed him. He pushed me back. 343 00:18:56,236 --> 00:18:57,104 I punched him in the face. 344 00:18:57,371 --> 00:18:59,373 We went out the front door. 345 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:00,541 Knocked him down the stoop. 346 00:19:00,841 --> 00:19:02,309 Kicked him in the chest a couple times. 347 00:19:02,543 --> 00:19:04,111 You know, he got up. 348 00:19:04,444 --> 00:19:05,345 Dropped a couple more punches on him, 349 00:19:05,646 --> 00:19:08,882 he hit me, and finally, I picked up a rake 350 00:19:09,149 --> 00:19:11,318 that I had there, and I was gonna smash him in the face with the rake. 351 00:19:11,685 --> 00:19:12,386 He got in his car and bounced. 352 00:19:12,653 --> 00:19:16,490 And just literally no emotion, no nothing. 353 00:19:19,092 --> 00:19:20,394 As he was leaving, he was turning his head, 354 00:19:20,627 --> 00:19:22,496 just like, you know, like, watching the whole time. 355 00:19:24,498 --> 00:19:26,633 [narrator] Schaller says, a month later, 356 00:19:26,934 --> 00:19:29,570 Amber saw Heuermann again, because she needed cash-- 357 00:19:29,803 --> 00:19:31,605 needed it badly-- 358 00:19:31,939 --> 00:19:34,274 and he offered her two grand. 359 00:19:34,575 --> 00:19:36,543 It was the last time she was seen alive. 360 00:19:36,844 --> 00:19:39,112 The second she went missing, 361 00:19:39,346 --> 00:19:40,280 the first person that came to my head was that dude. 362 00:19:40,547 --> 00:19:44,318 [♪] 363 00:19:48,121 --> 00:19:51,024 [narrator] Schaller told police about the incident in chilling detail 364 00:19:51,358 --> 00:19:53,327 a few days after they found Amber's body. 365 00:19:53,627 --> 00:19:56,530 Then two more times right after that. 366 00:19:56,763 --> 00:20:00,100 He described the exact type of truck the man was driving, 367 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,936 a dark green or black Chevy Avalanche. 368 00:20:03,237 --> 00:20:04,938 Yet cops never followed up. 369 00:20:05,239 --> 00:20:08,575 All they had to do was run Avalanches in Massapequa, 370 00:20:08,809 --> 00:20:10,310 and the case was over, you know? 371 00:20:11,778 --> 00:20:15,148 [Rob Trotta] They had someone telling them that it was a Chevy Avalanche, 372 00:20:15,449 --> 00:20:18,018 that it was a six-foot-five guy who looked like an ogre. 373 00:20:18,318 --> 00:20:20,687 And if you went on Google Maps and went up and down the street, 374 00:20:20,988 --> 00:20:24,091 you saw the car parked in the street. 375 00:20:24,358 --> 00:20:27,160 [narrator] Right in front of the Heuermanns' home. 376 00:20:27,494 --> 00:20:28,795 Sometimes parked on the street, 377 00:20:29,062 --> 00:20:31,098 sometimes right in his driveway. 378 00:20:31,398 --> 00:20:34,401 This could easily have led to an arrest years ago, 379 00:20:34,668 --> 00:20:37,237 before other victims may have been murdered. 380 00:20:37,571 --> 00:20:43,577 [♪] 381 00:20:53,620 --> 00:20:56,123 There weren't a lot of Chevy Avalanches all over the place, 382 00:20:56,356 --> 00:20:58,692 certainly not in Massapequa. 383 00:20:58,992 --> 00:21:00,661 That, to me, would seem like an "aha" moment 384 00:21:00,994 --> 00:21:03,830 when you saw it, like a, "We almost got you." 385 00:21:04,097 --> 00:21:07,301 This one particular tip or lead should have gone 386 00:21:07,668 --> 00:21:09,736 to the very top of the pile, in my opinion. 387 00:21:11,538 --> 00:21:13,974 [narrator] Yet cops waited years before following up 388 00:21:14,308 --> 00:21:16,276 on that critical piece of evidence. 389 00:21:16,577 --> 00:21:21,215 The initial investigation in 2010 were not given the information 390 00:21:21,515 --> 00:21:24,484 that, in fact, there was a Chevy Avalanche involved, 391 00:21:24,751 --> 00:21:28,021 with a six-foot-five guy, who was described as an ogre. 392 00:21:28,288 --> 00:21:34,027 How do you keep that information from a chief or an inspector who's overseeing these cases? 393 00:21:34,394 --> 00:21:38,832 [♪] 394 00:21:39,099 --> 00:21:41,101 [Gary Depass] Once you have information on the make and model of a vehicle, 395 00:21:41,368 --> 00:21:44,671 within a couple of business days, 396 00:21:44,938 --> 00:21:47,374 DMV can get back to you with the information on that vehicle, 397 00:21:47,708 --> 00:21:49,743 which would include the make, the model, the color, 398 00:21:50,010 --> 00:21:53,714 the plate, the address, and the registered owner. 399 00:21:54,014 --> 00:21:59,286 Then the next step would be to run the license information of that registered owner, 400 00:21:59,553 --> 00:22:02,422 and you have height included on that description. 401 00:22:02,723 --> 00:22:04,358 And eye color as well. 402 00:22:04,625 --> 00:22:09,129 Someone who's 6'5", 6'6", 270 pounds is going to stick out. 403 00:22:09,396 --> 00:22:13,166 [narrator] Finally, last year, investigators did just that, 404 00:22:13,433 --> 00:22:17,437 and the Avalanche, along with cell phone and DNA evidence, 405 00:22:17,771 --> 00:22:20,374 gave authorities the ammo to make an arrest. 406 00:22:24,344 --> 00:22:28,515 Bingo! The second-- That's the face I've had in my head for 13 years. 407 00:22:28,815 --> 00:22:31,718 It's the only way to put it. 100% that's him. You know? 408 00:22:32,019 --> 00:22:35,189 I'd love to see him, just laugh in his face, be like, you know, "Remember me? 409 00:22:35,522 --> 00:22:37,824 I'm the guy you forgot to clean up, you know what I mean? 410 00:22:38,158 --> 00:22:42,362 The fact that those clues were not pursued back then 411 00:22:42,629 --> 00:22:46,133 is not only inexcusable, it's something that's unimaginable 412 00:22:46,433 --> 00:22:47,935 in the law enforcement community. 413 00:22:48,302 --> 00:22:50,037 We cannot have this happen again. 414 00:22:50,337 --> 00:22:52,306 I have to apologize, from a law enforcement perspective, 415 00:22:52,606 --> 00:22:55,475 that it did take this long for us to bring him into custody. 416 00:22:55,776 --> 00:22:56,777 [narrator] So who's to blame? 417 00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:59,546 A lot of people are pointing the finger 418 00:22:59,847 --> 00:23:02,115 at this man, James Burke. 419 00:23:02,382 --> 00:23:05,686 He was appointed Suffolk County Police Chief back in 2012, 420 00:23:05,986 --> 00:23:09,089 and his tenure was fraught with scandal. 421 00:23:09,423 --> 00:23:10,958 Now, I can't stress to you enough 422 00:23:11,258 --> 00:23:13,660 on the unbelievable corruption 423 00:23:13,927 --> 00:23:17,264 that went on in this police department over the past decade. 424 00:23:17,564 --> 00:23:19,833 [narrator] Burke went to prison in 2016 425 00:23:20,133 --> 00:23:22,569 over charges related to beating up a man 426 00:23:22,836 --> 00:23:25,372 who stole porn and sex toys from him. 427 00:23:31,278 --> 00:23:33,080 And the Suffolk County DA at the time, 428 00:23:33,347 --> 00:23:35,482 Tom Spota, went to prison 429 00:23:35,816 --> 00:23:39,253 for obstructing the investigation into Chief Burke. 430 00:23:41,488 --> 00:23:42,856 [Latibeaudiere] But there's more. 431 00:23:43,123 --> 00:23:45,726 Burke, allegedly, had sex with prostitutes himself. 432 00:23:46,226 --> 00:23:47,794 A lot. 433 00:23:48,095 --> 00:23:49,463 His critics say the last thing Burke wanted 434 00:23:49,863 --> 00:23:51,798 was to put the spotlight on sex workers 435 00:23:52,099 --> 00:23:54,234 found dead in his jurisdiction. 436 00:23:54,568 --> 00:23:57,804 I knew him, and he was not fond of women, 437 00:23:58,105 --> 00:24:01,375 and clearly has a propensity to patronize prostitutes. 438 00:24:01,642 --> 00:24:04,378 [Ray] He was morally, sexually corrupt, 439 00:24:04,645 --> 00:24:08,048 he was a pervert, and he was the one running the show. 440 00:24:08,348 --> 00:24:12,519 Burke had no problem taking his sex worker girlfriends, plural, 441 00:24:12,786 --> 00:24:14,755 to police affairs, functions. 442 00:24:15,088 --> 00:24:17,057 And they would strut around, and nobody noticed? 443 00:24:17,324 --> 00:24:19,993 That's what's wrong here. 444 00:24:20,260 --> 00:24:22,863 I think that between Burke and that other idiot, 445 00:24:23,130 --> 00:24:25,666 the other DA that got brought up on charges, 446 00:24:25,933 --> 00:24:27,968 I think that they sacked the case because it would've allowed 447 00:24:28,235 --> 00:24:29,703 [bleep] that would've tied back to them. 448 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,075 In fact, Burke seemed to take deliberate moves 449 00:24:35,409 --> 00:24:37,878 to slow down the investigation, 450 00:24:38,212 --> 00:24:42,282 including kicking the FBI and other agencies off the case. 451 00:24:42,616 --> 00:24:45,118 He wanted full control. 452 00:24:45,419 --> 00:24:47,321 I think the reason he didn't want the FBI involved 453 00:24:47,588 --> 00:24:50,691 is because he didn't want them in his house, 454 00:24:51,024 --> 00:24:53,493 interacting with all the guys in his department, 455 00:24:53,794 --> 00:24:55,429 where one or more of them might say, 456 00:24:55,762 --> 00:24:57,764 "You know, this guy has done similar things." 457 00:24:58,098 --> 00:25:00,000 It is a sad day for all law enforcement 458 00:25:00,234 --> 00:25:01,869 when something like this happens. 459 00:25:02,169 --> 00:25:06,206 [Ray] The commissioner of police, with Burke's urging, 460 00:25:06,507 --> 00:25:11,078 shut down the investigation in January of 2011, 461 00:25:11,378 --> 00:25:14,615 because he said that the cadaver dogs, plural, 462 00:25:14,915 --> 00:25:17,618 didn't like to work in the wintertime. 463 00:25:17,885 --> 00:25:21,121 So I asked the question, "Well, are they lifeguards? Do they only work in the summer?" 464 00:25:21,488 --> 00:25:23,257 That was an absurd thing for the police to do. 465 00:25:23,490 --> 00:25:27,294 And they kept the investigation closed for three months, 466 00:25:27,594 --> 00:25:29,596 giving plenty of time for evidence to disappear in the lake. 467 00:25:29,930 --> 00:25:34,201 [♪] 468 00:25:34,468 --> 00:25:36,136 [producer] We are field producers with TMZ. 469 00:25:36,403 --> 00:25:38,672 [narrator] TMZ tried to reach Burke multiple times, 470 00:25:38,972 --> 00:25:40,607 even knocked on the door of his home, 471 00:25:40,941 --> 00:25:42,075 but we got no response. 472 00:25:44,244 --> 00:25:49,750 If they find a bunch more girls, that's gonna be the tell of how big a [bleep]-up 473 00:25:50,050 --> 00:25:51,418 the Suffolk County Police Department had. 474 00:25:51,718 --> 00:25:54,421 Because if there's a string of bodies still, 475 00:25:54,721 --> 00:25:55,956 which I'm sure there is, 476 00:25:56,223 --> 00:25:58,859 because, you know, this guy was able to follow along, 477 00:25:59,226 --> 00:26:01,228 this whole bungled [bleep] case the entire time. 478 00:26:01,528 --> 00:26:04,298 I've always thought, for so many years, 479 00:26:04,565 --> 00:26:06,667 that he was out there and just lurking. 480 00:26:06,967 --> 00:26:09,002 And it just really upsets me 481 00:26:09,303 --> 00:26:10,270 that the police let this go on for so long, 482 00:26:10,537 --> 00:26:13,307 and he could have been hurting other people. 483 00:26:13,607 --> 00:26:15,375 [narrator] Heuermann's Avalanche has become symbolic 484 00:26:15,709 --> 00:26:19,980 of the missteps, corruption, and incompetence 485 00:26:20,214 --> 00:26:24,585 that may have allowed a serial killer to kill again. 486 00:26:26,453 --> 00:26:29,957 Coming up, the current stylist and former escort 487 00:26:30,224 --> 00:26:31,758 who may have dodged a date with death. 488 00:26:32,025 --> 00:26:34,194 [Brass] I told people for years, 489 00:26:34,528 --> 00:26:36,763 I had dinner with the Gilgo Beach Killer, 490 00:26:37,030 --> 00:26:38,298 and I want to testify against him. 491 00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:41,001 I want people to know he was out hunting, 492 00:26:41,335 --> 00:26:43,103 even after those women were found. 493 00:26:43,437 --> 00:26:46,173 [♪] 494 00:26:53,547 --> 00:26:59,019 [dramatic music playing] 495 00:27:10,163 --> 00:27:14,401 Amber was, like, the most loving, just... sweetest girl, 496 00:27:14,701 --> 00:27:17,437 and you know, these girls are-- they're human beings. 497 00:27:17,771 --> 00:27:19,573 They're people. 498 00:27:19,873 --> 00:27:22,342 So... 499 00:27:22,609 --> 00:27:27,681 There was a real bias affecting the intensity 500 00:27:28,048 --> 00:27:31,084 and the quality of the investigation, 501 00:27:31,351 --> 00:27:33,420 because these girls were considered disposable, 502 00:27:33,687 --> 00:27:34,821 as sex workers. 503 00:27:35,189 --> 00:27:38,692 Because of that attitude, I think the idea was, 504 00:27:39,059 --> 00:27:42,129 "Well, you know, we'll get to it someday." 505 00:27:42,429 --> 00:27:44,965 The fact most of the victims found dead around Gilgo Beach 506 00:27:45,232 --> 00:27:47,267 were sex workers may have allowed a serial killer 507 00:27:47,634 --> 00:27:50,304 to roam free for years, 508 00:27:50,637 --> 00:27:55,576 and that may have been part of Rex Heuermann's plan all along. 509 00:27:55,876 --> 00:27:57,911 As sad as it may be, 510 00:27:58,245 --> 00:27:59,513 they're not going to draw as much attention 511 00:27:59,780 --> 00:28:02,816 from law enforcement as other occupations might, 512 00:28:03,150 --> 00:28:06,186 so he chooses a safe category of victim 513 00:28:06,486 --> 00:28:09,423 in terms of how much focus they're going to get. 514 00:28:09,790 --> 00:28:13,560 When other women go missing, especially white women in this country, 515 00:28:13,861 --> 00:28:15,062 they are often looked at first. 516 00:28:15,362 --> 00:28:16,763 You know, they are blasted all over the news. 517 00:28:17,130 --> 00:28:20,868 When you are in an oppressed group, 518 00:28:21,168 --> 00:28:25,038 I feel like they are going to get pushed down more 519 00:28:25,339 --> 00:28:28,141 than if they were just that typical blonde-hair, 520 00:28:28,509 --> 00:28:33,847 blue-eyes, lawyer, teacher, nurse, you know, mother. 521 00:28:34,114 --> 00:28:36,717 People just don't really look at them 522 00:28:36,984 --> 00:28:39,453 as just regular humans like the rest of us. 523 00:28:42,523 --> 00:28:45,893 It doesn't really matter what they're doing for their lifestyle. 524 00:28:46,260 --> 00:28:47,528 They're still humans. 525 00:28:51,999 --> 00:28:53,767 [Sasse] There was a lack of interest 526 00:28:54,134 --> 00:28:56,470 because of who they were, who the victims were. 527 00:28:56,837 --> 00:28:59,173 I hope not, because that's the worst 528 00:28:59,473 --> 00:29:02,843 kind of discrimination there is for a dead body, 529 00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:05,145 and the families of that victim. 530 00:29:05,479 --> 00:29:07,414 When you look at sex workers in the history of-- 531 00:29:07,748 --> 00:29:09,950 across the United States, 532 00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:12,953 there is a stigma that people don't care about them, 533 00:29:13,253 --> 00:29:14,321 that they're throwaways, but you know what? 534 00:29:14,621 --> 00:29:16,557 No one grew up, no one was born saying 535 00:29:16,857 --> 00:29:17,991 that they wanted to be a sex worker. 536 00:29:18,358 --> 00:29:22,196 And I think any person, any person, 537 00:29:22,496 --> 00:29:25,465 any sex worker that has had a crime committed against them, 538 00:29:25,732 --> 00:29:26,433 or even a murder, 539 00:29:26,733 --> 00:29:29,169 that person needs to be brought to justice, 540 00:29:29,436 --> 00:29:32,172 because they are human beings, just like the rest of us. 541 00:29:32,439 --> 00:29:34,107 Current Suffolk County officials insist 542 00:29:34,374 --> 00:29:36,610 they treat all victims the same. 543 00:29:36,944 --> 00:29:38,846 Maybe so, but back in 2011, 544 00:29:39,146 --> 00:29:40,280 the police commissioner made it a point 545 00:29:40,614 --> 00:29:42,916 to reassure the public the community was safe 546 00:29:43,183 --> 00:29:45,285 since the killer was only targeting sex workers. 547 00:29:45,619 --> 00:29:49,022 From the four remains that were found and identified, 548 00:29:49,323 --> 00:29:53,093 the business that they were in, okay, 549 00:29:53,427 --> 00:29:55,963 indicated that whoever was targeting these individuals 550 00:29:56,296 --> 00:29:57,898 was doing it because of their business. 551 00:29:58,232 --> 00:30:00,567 We don't have somebody running around Suffolk County 552 00:30:00,868 --> 00:30:02,236 with blood dripping from a knife, 553 00:30:02,503 --> 00:30:05,172 and I didn't want the public to think that, you know, 554 00:30:05,439 --> 00:30:07,808 Suffolk County was crime-ridden, 555 00:30:08,141 --> 00:30:09,243 which it's not. Very safe county. 556 00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:12,312 So Heuermann may have gotten the memo way back then. 557 00:30:12,579 --> 00:30:15,983 Police seemed disinterested in the victims, 558 00:30:16,250 --> 00:30:19,920 which may explain why his alleged penchant for prostitutes 559 00:30:20,187 --> 00:30:24,157 was apparently alive and well as late as 2022, 560 00:30:24,458 --> 00:30:25,926 when he was put under surveillance. 561 00:30:26,193 --> 00:30:30,130 My first impression was that he was a massive man. 562 00:30:30,464 --> 00:30:33,467 [narrator] Current stylist and former escort Nikkie Brass 563 00:30:33,734 --> 00:30:38,872 says Heuermann contacted her for sex in 2015, 564 00:30:39,206 --> 00:30:41,441 four years after the 11th body was found. 565 00:30:41,708 --> 00:30:45,946 But she had serious misgivings right from the get-go, 566 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,417 at a restaurant just 45 miles from Gilgo Beach. 567 00:30:50,717 --> 00:30:55,489 It wasn't until he looked at me and he said, "Are you a true crime fan?" 568 00:30:55,822 --> 00:30:59,059 And at that point I got a little excited, 'cause I am. 569 00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:02,362 And after that, that's when he said to me, 570 00:31:02,663 --> 00:31:05,232 "Well, have you heard of the Gilgo Beach killings?" 571 00:31:05,532 --> 00:31:10,604 [♪] 572 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,209 I was like, "Of course, I'm from Long Island, we all have." 573 00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:17,811 It was just when he started to talk about it, 574 00:31:18,078 --> 00:31:19,847 that things took a change, 575 00:31:20,214 --> 00:31:22,149 and I realized there was a problem. 576 00:31:22,482 --> 00:31:24,952 It was because he sat up straighter, 577 00:31:25,252 --> 00:31:27,855 you know, he had this smirk on his face, 578 00:31:28,222 --> 00:31:32,359 and it seemed more like somebody who wanted to brag 579 00:31:32,626 --> 00:31:35,162 and relive the crimes they were committing. 580 00:31:35,429 --> 00:31:37,231 [narrator] When Nikkie sensed she was in danger, 581 00:31:37,497 --> 00:31:39,366 she stepped away and called a friend 582 00:31:39,666 --> 00:31:42,870 to come meet her in the parking lot, just in case. 583 00:31:43,170 --> 00:31:45,072 [Brass] I have never, in my life, at that time, 584 00:31:45,339 --> 00:31:48,208 when I was doing those things, 585 00:31:48,509 --> 00:31:52,179 felt scared, felt fear, or felt the need to get away. 586 00:31:52,513 --> 00:31:54,715 So towards the end of the date, he had said, 587 00:31:54,948 --> 00:31:55,549 "Are you gonna come back with me?" 588 00:31:55,849 --> 00:31:58,418 I said, "It was really nice meeting you. 589 00:31:58,719 --> 00:32:01,989 Thank you for dinner, but I'm gonna have to say no. 590 00:32:06,326 --> 00:32:07,928 I have a friend waiting for me in the parking lot 591 00:32:08,262 --> 00:32:11,098 just to make sure I get home safely." 592 00:32:11,365 --> 00:32:14,334 You could tell he seemed, like, very visually agitated, 593 00:32:14,635 --> 00:32:17,704 and, like, angry that I didn't wanna go with him. 594 00:32:22,342 --> 00:32:26,046 We didn't hug. He was, like, almost hovering over me with his size, 595 00:32:26,346 --> 00:32:29,183 and you could tell again he was mad. 596 00:32:29,516 --> 00:32:32,186 He did all this work, and I didn't go with him. 597 00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:34,588 [narrator] As they went their separate ways, 598 00:32:34,855 --> 00:32:36,390 it was clear to Nikkie 599 00:32:36,623 --> 00:32:39,426 she had just escaped a brush with death. 600 00:32:39,693 --> 00:32:44,431 I 100% thought Rex was the Gilgo Beach Killer. 601 00:32:44,698 --> 00:32:49,703 I told people for years, many people, for years. 602 00:32:50,037 --> 00:32:53,240 I said, "I had dinner with the Gilgo Beach Killer, and I know it." 603 00:32:53,907 --> 00:32:57,110 [narrator] Nikkie didn't tell police about what happened, 604 00:32:57,344 --> 00:32:59,680 because at the time she was on probation for drug possession. 605 00:32:59,947 --> 00:33:04,685 But she has no doubt the man she met that night was Rex Heuermann, 606 00:33:04,952 --> 00:33:08,522 a man who police could have caught four years earlier, 607 00:33:08,856 --> 00:33:11,725 had they jumped on obvious clues. 608 00:33:12,025 --> 00:33:13,694 [Brass] I want to testify against him. 609 00:33:13,961 --> 00:33:17,097 I want people to know he was out hunting, 610 00:33:17,464 --> 00:33:20,000 even after those women were found. 611 00:33:22,636 --> 00:33:24,104 And I want people to understand 612 00:33:24,438 --> 00:33:26,106 that, like, these women mattered, 613 00:33:26,406 --> 00:33:30,077 and they had a chance of a better life, 614 00:33:30,344 --> 00:33:32,679 they had a chance to become mothers and wives, 615 00:33:33,046 --> 00:33:35,115 and do things with their lives, 616 00:33:35,415 --> 00:33:38,418 and they had that taken away from them, 617 00:33:38,752 --> 00:33:40,921 because he's a monster. 618 00:33:41,188 --> 00:33:43,891 [narrator] The looming question: were there other women 619 00:33:44,157 --> 00:33:46,693 not as lucky as Nikkie Brass? 620 00:33:48,662 --> 00:33:50,097 Coming up... 621 00:33:50,464 --> 00:33:52,366 I think that there is an excellent chance 622 00:33:52,666 --> 00:33:56,203 that he is responsible for additional murders. 623 00:33:56,537 --> 00:34:00,174 [narrator] And that's because serial killers tend to keep on killing. 624 00:34:00,507 --> 00:34:03,177 Oftentimes, this is kind of an addictive aspect 625 00:34:03,477 --> 00:34:07,581 to their personality, and it starts to build in them, 626 00:34:07,848 --> 00:34:08,815 and build in them, and build in them, 627 00:34:09,149 --> 00:34:12,085 where they just have to act on that impulse. 628 00:34:12,452 --> 00:34:15,122 [♪] 629 00:34:22,262 --> 00:34:25,299 [dramatic music playing] 630 00:34:33,373 --> 00:34:35,876 [Dr. Bonn] I believe that the individual 631 00:34:36,210 --> 00:34:39,713 who committed the original Gilgo Four murders-- 632 00:34:39,980 --> 00:34:43,750 and assuming that Rex Heuermann is that person-- 633 00:34:44,117 --> 00:34:44,751 I think that there is an excellent chance 634 00:34:45,085 --> 00:34:48,889 that he is responsible for additional murders. 635 00:34:49,256 --> 00:34:52,526 He may well have a burial ground that has yet to be discovered. 636 00:34:56,797 --> 00:34:59,199 [narrator] Officials are looking for other possible victims 637 00:34:59,499 --> 00:35:01,835 in places Rex Heuermann frequented, 638 00:35:02,102 --> 00:35:05,539 including Las Vegas, where he owns a timeshare. 639 00:35:05,873 --> 00:35:08,141 It's important for homicide detectives 640 00:35:08,475 --> 00:35:12,145 to conduct their investigation, scour their cold cases, 641 00:35:12,479 --> 00:35:14,715 to see if there is any connection 642 00:35:14,982 --> 00:35:18,352 between these unsolved murders and the suspect. 643 00:35:22,689 --> 00:35:24,892 [narrator] And they're searching in Chester, South Carolina, 644 00:35:25,225 --> 00:35:28,095 where he also owns property. 645 00:35:28,395 --> 00:35:30,264 It could very well be a connection. 646 00:35:30,497 --> 00:35:33,267 [narrator] Aaliyah Bell Hall was just 18 647 00:35:33,534 --> 00:35:37,237 when she left her uncle's house in Rock Hill, South Carolina, 648 00:35:37,504 --> 00:35:38,739 back in 2014, 649 00:35:39,072 --> 00:35:40,974 never to be seen again. 650 00:35:42,609 --> 00:35:44,044 When her aunt heard about Heuermann's arrest, 651 00:35:44,311 --> 00:35:49,349 she wondered if he knew what happened to her niece. 652 00:35:49,683 --> 00:35:52,386 [Pickett] She decided to leave, to go home. 653 00:35:52,686 --> 00:35:57,958 It was walking distance, and that was the last that anyone saw her was that day. 654 00:35:58,292 --> 00:36:01,828 Chester's about 15 minutes from Rock Hill. 655 00:36:02,095 --> 00:36:03,297 And I took some time to process it, 656 00:36:03,597 --> 00:36:07,267 and I'm like, "Okay, well, this could be related." 657 00:36:07,501 --> 00:36:12,239 And had they took action like they should have back then, 658 00:36:12,472 --> 00:36:15,075 maybe my niece wouldn't be missing now. 659 00:36:18,979 --> 00:36:22,349 [narrator] Police in South Carolina say they found no connection 660 00:36:22,649 --> 00:36:24,918 between Aaliyah's disappearance and Rex Heuermann, 661 00:36:25,185 --> 00:36:29,089 at least so far, but the investigation is ongoing. 662 00:36:30,490 --> 00:36:34,428 The stark reality: serial killers don't limit themselves 663 00:36:34,728 --> 00:36:36,029 to a particular zip code. 664 00:36:36,363 --> 00:36:39,099 They kill when there is an opportunity, 665 00:36:39,399 --> 00:36:41,301 and even if they stop for a while... 666 00:36:43,537 --> 00:36:45,939 the urge is still there. 667 00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:48,842 They do stop at times. They may stop at times for years, 668 00:36:49,209 --> 00:36:50,344 and then start back up, 669 00:36:50,611 --> 00:36:53,947 and that's very confounding to law enforcement. 670 00:36:54,248 --> 00:37:00,621 Some have stopped, and, you know, have never been found out, but oftentimes, 671 00:37:00,921 --> 00:37:04,825 this is kind of an addictive aspect to their personality, 672 00:37:05,092 --> 00:37:06,960 and it starts to build in them, 673 00:37:07,227 --> 00:37:09,196 and build in them, and build in them, 674 00:37:09,530 --> 00:37:12,399 where they just have to act on that impulse. 675 00:37:12,733 --> 00:37:16,603 [♪] 676 00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:20,307 [narrator] Back in Massapequa, the lives of Heuermann's wife and kids 677 00:37:20,641 --> 00:37:21,942 have been turned upside-down. 678 00:37:22,242 --> 00:37:25,379 The search of their home left it in shambles. 679 00:37:25,612 --> 00:37:28,849 Asa, who is being treated for breast and skin cancer, 680 00:37:29,183 --> 00:37:31,218 has filed for divorce. 681 00:37:31,485 --> 00:37:33,287 In order to piece back what's been crumbled 682 00:37:33,554 --> 00:37:36,156 into a million pieces is gonna take a very long time. 683 00:37:40,861 --> 00:37:43,830 Through his attorney, Rex Heuermann has proclaimed his innocence. 684 00:37:44,097 --> 00:37:47,034 His lawyer calls the case "circumstantial," 685 00:37:47,301 --> 00:37:50,437 adding his client has been traumatized by the accusations. 686 00:37:54,074 --> 00:37:56,610 He's a man who's never been arrested before. 687 00:37:56,877 --> 00:37:59,947 He's maintained his innocence from the inception of this case. 688 00:38:00,314 --> 00:38:01,081 I doubt that any one of you, for a moment, 689 00:38:01,448 --> 00:38:02,683 have even contemplated the possibility 690 00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:04,818 that they have the wrong guy. 691 00:38:05,185 --> 00:38:06,820 So what we're gonna do is 692 00:38:07,187 --> 00:38:08,589 we're gonna defend this case in a courtroom. 693 00:38:08,856 --> 00:38:10,023 [narrator] Prosecutors say 694 00:38:10,324 --> 00:38:11,024 they have a trove of evidence 695 00:38:11,325 --> 00:38:12,726 to put Heuermann away for life, 696 00:38:13,060 --> 00:38:16,597 but the wheels of justice grind slowly. 697 00:38:16,930 --> 00:38:19,266 A trial may be at least a year away. 698 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,102 Nevertheless, family members are now hopeful. 699 00:38:22,402 --> 00:38:25,172 [Sasse] At least this man can't hurt anybody else, 700 00:38:25,472 --> 00:38:26,840 and he would have. 701 00:38:27,140 --> 00:38:28,809 That hole will be there, 702 00:38:29,076 --> 00:38:31,812 but it will help, you know, close the door, 703 00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:34,948 and this man'll never walk the streets again. 704 00:38:35,282 --> 00:38:36,416 [narrator] Coming up... 705 00:38:36,783 --> 00:38:39,086 You have so many questions. 706 00:38:39,453 --> 00:38:41,822 How did you pick her? How did you get her? 707 00:38:42,189 --> 00:38:44,925 You know, did my sister cry? Did she beg? 708 00:38:45,259 --> 00:38:47,394 Did she say, "Please, please"? Like, "I have kids"? 709 00:38:47,694 --> 00:38:54,301 [♪] 710 00:38:58,138 --> 00:39:00,807 [narrator] TMZ has broken some of the biggest stories 711 00:39:01,108 --> 00:39:04,611 in pop culture for nearly two decades. 712 00:39:04,878 --> 00:39:07,714 Now, TMZ Documentaries continue to break new ground. 713 00:39:08,015 --> 00:39:10,184 Digging far below the surface 714 00:39:10,517 --> 00:39:13,387 on stories that have captivated audiences. 715 00:39:13,687 --> 00:39:17,491 Stories in the zeitgeist of pop culture. 716 00:39:17,758 --> 00:39:22,829 TMZ Documentaries, available on Hulu and Tubi. 717 00:39:23,163 --> 00:39:28,502 [dramatic music playing] 718 00:39:36,243 --> 00:39:40,347 [woman 1] Well, you know, to celebrate the lives of these women. 719 00:39:41,114 --> 00:39:43,717 Also, to pay respects to them. 720 00:39:45,018 --> 00:39:47,421 [woman 2] They were all beautiful women. 721 00:39:47,754 --> 00:39:50,490 They weren't just prostitutes, 722 00:39:50,858 --> 00:39:53,393 as everybody is saying. 723 00:39:53,694 --> 00:40:00,534 They were daughters, sisters, cousins, nieces, mothers. 724 00:40:00,767 --> 00:40:04,605 [narrator] A few months after the bodies of the Gilgo Four were found back in 2010, 725 00:40:04,938 --> 00:40:09,376 family members held a vigil to honor their lost loved ones. 726 00:40:12,846 --> 00:40:14,114 They had no idea back then 727 00:40:14,381 --> 00:40:15,983 it would take more than a decade 728 00:40:16,250 --> 00:40:20,621 to track down a suspect and put him behind bars. 729 00:40:23,023 --> 00:40:25,792 [Lynn Barthelemy] Before we hung up, I always said, "I love you, be careful." 730 00:40:26,093 --> 00:40:27,094 I said, you know, "If you get in trouble, 731 00:40:27,394 --> 00:40:28,996 it's not like you're right around the block." 732 00:40:29,263 --> 00:40:32,065 I said, "It's gonna take me seven hours to get to you." 733 00:40:33,867 --> 00:40:36,570 She loved her daughter so much. 734 00:40:36,837 --> 00:40:40,007 She was just very kindhearted, you know? 735 00:40:40,374 --> 00:40:41,308 She made mistakes. Who doesn't? 736 00:40:41,608 --> 00:40:44,211 She didn't deserve this. Nobody deserves this. 737 00:40:46,980 --> 00:40:49,316 [Schaller] She was a sweetheart, you know? 738 00:40:49,616 --> 00:40:50,817 The whole time that we knew her, she always, you know, 739 00:40:51,151 --> 00:40:53,487 bent over backwards to, you know, whatever it was. 740 00:40:53,820 --> 00:40:55,689 She was a good kid, you know? 741 00:40:56,023 --> 00:41:00,127 She was a little, itty-bitty, teeny-tiny girl, 742 00:41:00,394 --> 00:41:04,164 but she had the biggest heart 743 00:41:04,464 --> 00:41:10,571 and the most nurturing nature, the most mothering nature. 744 00:41:10,838 --> 00:41:14,641 She tried to take care of everybody and every little thing. 745 00:41:19,546 --> 00:41:23,317 You have so many questions. Why? How? 746 00:41:23,584 --> 00:41:26,820 You know, why my sister? How you-- why did you pick her? 747 00:41:27,154 --> 00:41:29,990 How did you pick her? How did you get her? 748 00:41:30,290 --> 00:41:33,694 You know, did my sister cry? Did she beg? 749 00:41:34,027 --> 00:41:36,997 You know, did she say, "Please, please"? 750 00:41:37,264 --> 00:41:38,298 Like, "I have kids"? Like-- 751 00:41:38,632 --> 00:41:40,868 You know, there'll be all those answers 752 00:41:41,168 --> 00:41:44,738 that I'm pretty sure the killer won't answer. 753 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:50,477 [♪] 754 00:41:53,213 --> 00:41:55,349 [narrator] Justice delayed is often justice denied, 755 00:41:55,682 --> 00:41:58,252 and if that maxim is true, 756 00:41:58,552 --> 00:42:00,020 then there may never be true justice 757 00:42:00,354 --> 00:42:02,189 for families of the Gilgo Four, 758 00:42:02,489 --> 00:42:05,592 and possibly many other families as well. 759 00:42:07,494 --> 00:42:10,297 But there may be a measure of peace. 760 00:42:10,597 --> 00:42:13,000 If Rex Heuermann is the serial killer, 761 00:42:13,267 --> 00:42:16,436 a monster may finally be contained. 762 00:42:16,670 --> 00:42:19,206 His long reign of terror over. 763 00:42:21,308 --> 00:42:23,410 [narrator] And after so many years, 764 00:42:23,710 --> 00:42:25,512 too many horrifying years, 765 00:42:25,779 --> 00:42:29,449 there could once again be tranquility on Gilgo Beach. 766 00:42:29,816 --> 00:42:32,052 [♪] 58889

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