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- Coffee?
- Yeah, thank you.
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How have you likedyour stay?
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What I've seen, I've liked.
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Please to explain whyI should agree to interview...
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with pro-Zionist
American media?
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Because I think
Hezbollah...
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is trying to broaden into
a political party right now,
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so you care about what
you're thought of in America,
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and in America
at this moment in time,
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Hezbollah does not
have a face.
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- That's why.
- Perhaps you approve
journalism objectivity,
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and I see
the questions first.
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Then I decide if I grant
the interview.
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No.
We don't do that.
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You've seen 60 Minutes
and Mike Wallace,
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so you know our reputation
for integrity and objectivity.
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You also know we are
the highest-rated, most-respected...
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TV magazine news show
in America.
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So, Mr. Wallace...
should he get on a plane or not?
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Tell him I'll see himday after tomorrow.
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That's good.
That works.
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You know, I want to ask you something.
I know it sounds odd, but...
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Hello? Sheikh?
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Hello? Sheikh?
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- Norman?
- What? What?
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Take your blindfold off.
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Welcome to the world.
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Fluctuating
all over the place.
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Anywhere we shoot here, it's gonna
be portable gennies and we'll run cable.
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- Hello?
- Mike, it's me.
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We're on.
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Hi, honey.
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- Hi, Daddy.
- What's new?
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- Miss Loughrey gave me a star today.
- Yeah? What for?
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- For reading.
- That's great.
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A little early for cartoons,
isn't it?
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Okay.
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Deborah? Debbie?
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Oh, I didn't know
you were home.
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It's early,
isn't it?
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Gotta take Debbie to ballet.
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Mommy!
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Sweetheart, come on.
Come on.
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- She was playingwith my Pooh doll again.
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Slow down. Slow down. Slow down.
Breathe deep. Breathe deep.
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Slow down, honey. Slow down.
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Slow down.
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Here we go.Deep breaths.
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- Deep breaths.
- She was playing with the Pooh doll.
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Pooh's dusty, sweetheart.
He's dusty, and you breathed him in.
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Okay? So, what's happening to you...
Look at me.
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What's happening to you now
is cells called mass cells...
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told your lungs, " Don't breathe
any more of that dust in."
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And the airways in your lungs
are like branches,
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and when the branches close up,
you get an asthmatic attack,
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and we give you medicine,
and you get better.
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Uh-huh? Okay?
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Better already,
aren't you?
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Okay, baby?
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Can I go to dance tomorrow?
I-I'm better.
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If you are, then I'll take Barbara
to soccer and take you to dance after.
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I can take her.
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Don't you have to
be at the office?
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- Is there any more rice?
- Yes, it's on the stove.
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Do you want more rice?
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- Maybe later.- How about you?
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- I'll take some.
- Instant rice?
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Can I go over to Jeanine�s house?
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- I'm sorry, darling.
Have you seen my coffee mug?
- Try the car.
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Um, what are
those boxes?
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- I'm going to the store.
You need anything?
- What do you need at the store?
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- Soy sauce.
- Right now?
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That's my stuff
from the office.
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Why did you take
your stuff from the office?
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- I didn't want to leave it there.
- I don't understand.
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I got fired
this morning.
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Where else am I
gonna take it?
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Why?
Who said?
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Thomas Sandefur.
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What are we
supposed to do?
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What about our medical coverage?
What about our health?
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What about our... car payments?
The payments on this house?
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The severance agreement
includes cash payoffs over time...
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and continuing
medical coverage.
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Sure you don't need anything?
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No, thank you.
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Jeffrey?
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I am very pleased to receive you
as my guest, Mr. Wallace.
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- Well, thank you for having us.
- Think I got a problem with the gennie.
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I gotta go outside.
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Give me a hand with this,
will you?
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Norman!
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- He says, uh, you must not sit so close.
- What?
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I can't conduct an interview
from back there.
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You must move back
your chair.
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Well, you tell him that when
I conduct an interview,
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I sit anywhere
I damn please.
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- There is no interview.
- You!
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I'm talking to you! What the hell do
you think I am, a 78-year-old assassin?
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You think I'm gonna karate him
to death with this notepad?
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- Are you interpreting what I'm saying?
- Yes.
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- We're there.
- Good. Well, ask him if Arabic
is his second language.
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Don't interpret that. Hold it.
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Hold it! Hold it!
Slow. Slow.
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Sheikh, do you mind?
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If you would just turn
your chair a little bit...
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to face Mr. Wallace.
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- Is that okay?
- Okay.
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Are you ready, or do you
wanna keep fucking around...
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and warm up some more?
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- No. I've got my heart started.
- Okay.
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All right, Todd.
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Give me the three-button
on Mike, please.
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Good. Good.
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Okay, we are rolling.
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- Okay, Mike.
- Sheikh Fadlallah.
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Thank you so much for seeing us.
Are you a terrorist?
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Mr. Wallace, I am
a servant of God.
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A servant of God?
Really?
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Americans believe that you...
as an Islamic fundamentalist...
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that you are a leader who contributed
to the bombing of the U.S. Embassy.
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Everybody thinks Canadian Mounties ride
horses and rescue ladies from rapids.
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Mike, they backed locals
in Oka in a fight with Mohawks...
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over building a golf course
on their burial site,
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They beat up protesters at Kanasake...
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- Where'd you hear that?
- Hello.
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Oh, someone took a poll?
"Are all things Canadian boring?"
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- It's Stuart. He's in Mexico City.
- Oh. Let me call you back.
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Yeah, Stuart?
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- What New York bank?
- Hey, Dad.
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Will he go on camera and talk
about the Mexico City branch?
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- Hey, Jake.
- Whose money are they laundering?
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- No classes this morning?
- I don't have to be there till 10:30.
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- Hey, Mom. Hello.
- Hi, sweetheart.
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- Hello? Yeah.
- Do independent sources corroborate?
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- Dad, you got a box out here.
- Let me see this a second.
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- 'Cause I gotta know where
you're going at all times.
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I can't. I've gotta flyto Boston tomorrow.
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2:00 P.M. Great.
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- Bye-bye.
- "Ignition propensity."
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You understand
any of this?
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No.
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Uh, this looks like
a table of temperatures.
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- Who's this from?
- It's anonymous.
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References to "P.M."
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It's gotta be
Phillip Morris, huh?
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Hmm. I have to
take a shower.
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Yeah?
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Hi. This is
Doug Oliver.
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Oh, hi, Doug.
It's Lowell.
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I'm doing this story on fire
safety, and people burning up
from falling asleep smoking.
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I receive a shitload of scientific
papers from inside Phillip Morris.
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Anonymous. You or anybody
in F.D.A. Know someone...
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who can translate this stuff
into English for me?
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Uh, yeah.
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- Hello?
- Uh, Mr. Wigand, please?
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Someone's calling
for Daddy, Mom.
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- Oh. Thank you, Bob.
- Who's calling?
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Uh, my name
is Lowell Bergman.
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- Did you say "Berman"?
- No, Bergman. B-E-R-G-M-A-N.
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- I'm a producer for 60 Minutes.- 60 Minutes?
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- Yeah.
- 60 Minutes, the television show?
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- Yes.
- He doesn't want to talk to you.
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How does he know he doesn't
want to talk to me? He doesn't
know what I'm calling him about.
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He doesn't care to know.
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This is the Wigands'.
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If you'd like to leave a messageor send a fax, start now.
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This is Lowell Bergman with 60 Minutes,
and I'm doing a story...
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on fire safetyand cigarettes.
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I have scientific documentsfrom a tobacco company,
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and I could use your helpas a consultant...
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explaining these documentsto me.
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Now, my number isarea code 510-555-0199.
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I'll be there at this numberin ten minutes.
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If you're curious
to meet me,
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I'm gonna be in the lobby
of the Seelbach Hotel in Louisville...
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reading The New York Times
tomorrow at 5:00.
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Have you always lived in Louisville?
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Mr. Bergman, what did you
want me to consult about?
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Who's that?
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That's room service.
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They usually
knock first.
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Come on in.
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Over here, please.
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- Thank you.
- How do you like your coffee? Black?
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Black. Black.
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I really don't have that much time.
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Is there anything you want to know
about me, Mr. Wigand?
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Like what?
Your sign?
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I know what I
have to know.
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Just so I know you know,
when I talk to people in confidence,
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it stays that way.
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How did a radical journalist
from Ramparts magazine end up at CBS?
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I still do
the tough stories.
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60 Minutes reaches
a lot of people.
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Let me see
the documents.
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This is a, um,
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fire-safety product study
for Phillip Morris.
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Burn rates, ignition propensity,
things of this nature.
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I could very easily explain this
to you in layman's terms...
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because it's from
another company.
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- But that's as far as I go.
- As far as you go where?
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This issue is
a drop in the bucket.
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I can talk to you
about what's in here, but I...
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I can't talk to you
about anything else.
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I signed a confidentiality agreement.
I honor agreements.
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Doesn't CBS have confidentiality
agreements, Mr. Bergman?
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Between journalists and management,
yes, I believe they do.
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But I don't take that seriously.
Where do you work?
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Did work.
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- Did work?
- How much would I get paid?
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That you have to discuss
with CBS Business Affairs.
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But for something like this, I would
say anywhere between ten, 12 thousand.
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Should I just take
the documents now?
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If you want to do it.
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I worked as a, uh,
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head of Research and Development
for Brown & Williamson.
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Tobacco company.
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I was a corporate
vice president.
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Mr. Bergman.
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President Assad of Syria said...
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that difficult obstacles remain,but that his country,
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"looks forward to a great long peace
with Israel."
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That's a Peabody, Mike.
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When you're dead and buried, this is
the one they're gonna remember you by.
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- Are you eating with us?
- Yeah.
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- Bring a tie so they let us
in the front door.
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Come on.
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- Debbie!
- Hey, Lowell.
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Oh, Bill. Main Justice is investigating
a major New York bank...
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laundering narco dollars
out of their Mexico City branch.
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- You want it for the news?
- What about you? You got a crew already?
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- I'm gonna do a follow-up.
Catch you later.
- Okay.
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- Debbie.
- How are you?
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I want you to get Legal on a corporate
confidentiality agreement.
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- Okay.
- Boundaries of their constraint,
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Kentucky state law about...
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- I want you to drop everything.
- Okay.
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- I don't have any change.
You got some change?
- Oh, here.
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Tony.
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Mr. Wigand? You can go up now.
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Sorry. I'm accepting
an award...
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from the Retinitis
Pigmentosa Foundation.
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It's gonna kill
the rest of my day.
245
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So, have you had a chance
to play golf?
246
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Jeff's a premier golfer.
What are you, a two handicap?
247
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- Seven.
- And he gets out there...
248
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and he has
five strokes on us.
249
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He has more concentration
than anybody I've ever met.
250
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It's spooky
how he can concentrate.
251
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I'd rather play
than talk about it.
252
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What did you
want to see me about?
253
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I don't like
being back here.
254
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,400
Jeffrey says exactly
what's on his mind.
255
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Most people consider
what they're saying... social skills.
256
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Jeffrey just charges
right ahead.
257
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Now, I know you understood the nature
of the confidentiality portion...
258
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of your severance agreement
with Brown & Williamson.
259
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- Chapter and verse.
- Yeah, I know you do.
260
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You know, I came up
through sales.
261
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One of the reasons
I was a great salesman...
262
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was I never made a promise
I couldn't keep.
263
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I knew that if I ever
broke my promise,
264
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I'd suffer
the consequence.
265
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Is that a threat?
266
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We worked together for...
what was it, three years?
267
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Now, the work we did here is
confidential, not for public scrutiny...
268
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any more than
are one's family matters.
269
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You're threatening
my family now too?
270
00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:12,500
Now, don't be paranoid, Jeff.
271
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About the direction of research here,
we may have had our differences, but...
272
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Research. You declare
as a badge of honor you don't
even know what makes water boil.
273
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,300
Well, that's why
we hire scientists.
274
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Okay.
275
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I don't believe that you can
maintain corporate integrity...
276
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without
confidentiality agreements.
277
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I was paid well
for my work,
278
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the health and welfare
benefits are good,
279
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the severance package
is fair.
280
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I have no intention of violating
my confidentiality agreement...
281
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and disclosing thatwhich I said I wouldn't.
282
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I appreciate
all that, Jeff,
283
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but upon reflection, we've decided
to expand our zone of comfort with you,
284
00:31:57,500 --> 00:32:00,600
so we've drafted a supplement
to your agreement.
285
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,300
It broadly defines andexpands in more detail...
286
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,400
what is confidential.
287
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:11,100
Nobody will be able
to say, "Well, hell's bells, Margaret,
288
00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:13,800
I didn't know that
was a secret."
289
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We're very serious
about protecting our interests.
290
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We'd like you
to sign it.
291
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And if I don't?
292
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If we arrive at the conclusion
that you're acting in bad faith,
293
00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:31,300
we would terminate right now
payoffs under your severance package,
294
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you and your family's medical
benefits and initiate litigation
against you, Mr. Wigand.
295
00:32:37,900 --> 00:32:41,900
- Dr. Wigand.
- Dr. Wigand.
296
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If you've examined the document, you'llsee it's in your own best interest...
297
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and you'll sign it.
298
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,100
What you're saying is it isn't enough
that you fired me for no good reason.
299
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,200
Now you question
my integrity?
300
00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:04,900
On top of the humiliation
of being fired, you threaten me,
301
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,300
you threaten
my family.
302
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,500
It never crossed my mind
not to honor my agreement.
303
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,600
I will tell you, Mr. Sandefur...
and Brown & Williamson too...
304
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:17,900
Fuck me?
Well, fuck you!
305
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,800
I'm not sure
he got the message.
306
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Oh, I think he did.
307
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:47,900
- Yeah.
- You fucked me!
308
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:51,700
- Who's this?
- Protect your sources?
309
00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:53,700
You screwed me.
You sold me out.
310
00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,200
- What are you talking about?
Where are you?
- Fuck you too!
311
00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:25,200
Stay away from me.
312
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,200
You stay away from me!
313
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:40,200
Jeffrey, you forgot
the lunches!
314
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,700
- Mrs. Wigand?
- Jump in quick. Come on.
315
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,300
How do you do? I'm Lowell Bergman.
We spoke on the phone.
316
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,400
- Come here. I want to talk to you.
- Good. I want to talk to you.
317
00:37:57,500 --> 00:38:00,400
- This is my house.
In front of my wife, my kids?
- I did not burn you.
318
00:38:00,500 --> 00:38:02,700
I did not give you up
to anyone.
319
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,900
- What business do we have?
- I'm here to straighten
something out with you.
320
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,000
Right here, right now.
321
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,700
You haven't mentioned my name?
You haven't talked to anybody about me?
322
00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:12,200
- What am I gonna mention your name for?
- Why are Brown & Williamson...
323
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,200
How the hell do I know about
Brown & Williamson?
324
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:17,600
It happened just after I talked to you.
I do not like coincidences.
325
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,700
Well, I don't like paranoid accusations.
I'm a journalist.
326
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,900
Think. Use your head.
How do I operate as a journalist?
By screwing the people...
327
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,200
who could provide me with information
before they provided me with it?
328
00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:32,700
- You came all the way
down here to tell me that?
- No, I did not.
329
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:34,800
Big Tobacco
is a big story,
330
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:37,200
and you got something
important to say. I can tell.
331
00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:40,900
But yes, I did. I came all
the way down here to tell you...
332
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,900
Story, no story...
fuck your story.
333
00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:48,300
I don't burn people.
334
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,100
Ride with me while I
take the girls to school.
335
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,200
My little girl has acute asthma.
336
00:39:53,300 --> 00:39:57,000
Deborah, my oldest daughter.
337
00:39:57,100 --> 00:40:00,400
And I'm unemployed, so I have
to protect my medical coverage.
338
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,600
So I left them a message
this morning. Their expanded
confidentiality agreement...
339
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,300
I will sign it.
340
00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:14,300
- They're afraid of you, aren't they?
- They should be.
341
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,900
Talk to me outside the zone
of your agreement.
342
00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:28,000
- Like what?
- Like, uh, where'd you work
before Brown & Williamson?
343
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,300
Johnson &Johnson.
344
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:32,400
Union Carbide in Japan.
345
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:36,000
I was the general manager and director
of new products. I speak Japanese.
346
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,300
I was a director
of corporate development at Pfizer.
347
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:43,100
All health-related.
348
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,600
What else
outside the zone?
349
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,400
I don't know. Do you think the Knicks
are gonna make it to the semifinals?
350
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,600
- Just give me an example.
- Okay.
351
00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:10,500
For example, um,
James Burke.
352
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,700
- C.E.O. Of Johnson &Johnson.
- Yeah.
353
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:17,600
When he found out that some lunatic
had put poison in Tylenol bottles,
354
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:19,600
he didn't argue
with the F.D.A.
355
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,300
He didn't even wait for the F.D.A.
To tell him. He just pulled Tylenol...
356
00:41:22,300 --> 00:41:26,700
off every shelf of every store
right across America, instantly.
357
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,900
And then he developed a safety cap.
358
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,600
Because as a C.E.O., sure, he's
gotta be a great businessman, right?
359
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,200
But he's also
a man of science.
360
00:41:37,300 --> 00:41:42,600
He's not gonna allow his company
to put on the shelf a product
that might hurt people.
361
00:41:42,700 --> 00:41:44,700
Not like
the Seven Dwarfs.
362
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,600
- Seven Dwarfs?
- Seven C.E.O. S of Big Tobacco.
363
00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:49,700
They got in front of Congress
that time. It was on television.
364
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,500
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Swore under oath that
they know nothing about addiction...
365
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,600
It was on C-SPAN.
Yeah.
366
00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:59,800
Okay, so, here you are.
You-You-You go to work for tobacco.
367
00:41:59,700 --> 00:42:02,600
You come from corporate cultures
where research...
368
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:05,600
really creative thinking...
these are core values.
369
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,000
You go to tobacco.
Tobacco is a sales culture...
370
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,000
market and sell enormous volume,
go to a lot of golf tournaments.
371
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:14,400
The hell with everything else.
What are you doing?
372
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,200
- Why are you working
for tobacco in the first place?
- I can't talk about it.
373
00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:20,000
The work I was supposed to do...
374
00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:23,100
might have had some positive effect,
I don't know.
375
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:27,800
Could have been beneficial.
Mostly, I got paid a lot.
376
00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:31,100
I took the money.
My wife was happy.
377
00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:34,600
My kids had good medical,
good schools. Got a great house.
378
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,900
I mean, what the hell
is wrong with that?
379
00:42:36,900 --> 00:42:39,500
Nothing's wrong with that. That's it.
You're making money.
380
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,200
You're providing for your family.
What could be wrong with that?
381
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,000
I always thought of myself as a man of
science, that's what's wrong with it.
382
00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:54,200
Then you're in
a state of conflict, Jeff.
383
00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:57,000
Because look,
here's how it lays out.
384
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,000
If you've got vital
insider stuff,
385
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,800
the American people, for their
welfare, really do need to know,
386
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,800
and you feel impelled
to disclose it...
387
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,000
and violate your agreement
in doing so, that's one thing.
388
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:11,000
On the other hand, if you want
to honor this agreement,
389
00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:13,300
then that's simple...
you do so.
390
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,600
You say nothing,
you do nothing.
391
00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:18,900
There's only one guy
who can figure that out for you,
392
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:21,700
and that's you
all by yourself.
393
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,100
I gotta go pick up the girls.
They only had a half a day.
394
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,100
I've heard virtuallyall the... We touched on it...
395
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:56,000
- Yes or no, do you believenicotine is not addictive?- Congressman,
396
00:43:56,100 --> 00:44:01,300
cigarettes and nicotine clearlydo not meet the classicdefinitions of addiction.
397
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,000
- There is no intoxication.
- We'll take that as no.
398
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:06,100
Again, time is short.
399
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,700
I think each of you believe
nicotine is not addictive...
400
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,200
and just would like tohave this for the record.
401
00:44:11,100 --> 00:44:15,200
I believe that nicotine
is not addictive.
402
00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:17,700
I too believe
that nicotine...
403
00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:20,800
He referred to this...the Seven Dwarfs...
404
00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:23,900
- What Seven Dwarfs?
- The seven C.E.O. Of Big Tobacco...referred to this.
405
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,000
Said they should be afraid of him.
I assume afraid of what he could reveal.
406
00:44:28,100 --> 00:44:33,000
Now you tell me. What does this guy
have to say that threatens these people?
407
00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:35,200
Well, it isn't cigarettes
are bad for you.
408
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,500
- Hardly new news.
- No shit.
409
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,700
- What's this?
- What that is is tobacco'sstandard defense.
410
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,700
It's the "we don't know"
litany.
411
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:49,500
Addiction? We believe not.
Disease? We don't know.
412
00:44:49,700 --> 00:44:52,500
We take a bunch of leaves,
we roll them together, you smoke 'em.
413
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,900
After that, you're on your own.
We don't know.
414
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,100
So, thattells me nothing.
415
00:44:58,100 --> 00:45:01,400
- Besides, you'll never get
what he's got.
- Why not?
416
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,500
Because of this guy'sconfidentiality agreement,
417
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,000
he's never gonna be able
to talk to you.
418
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,600
That's not good enough.
This guy is the top scientist...
419
00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:11,200
in the number-three
tobacco company in America.
420
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,100
He's a corporate officer.
You never get whistle-blowers
from Fortune 500 companies.
421
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,900
This guy is
the ultimate insider.
422
00:45:18,100 --> 00:45:21,100
He's got something to say. He wants
to say it. I want it on 60 Minutes.
423
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,300
Doesn't matter what he wants.
Am I missing something here?
424
00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:26,500
- What do you mean, Mike?
- He's got a corporate secrecy agreement.
425
00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:28,900
Give me a break.
426
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:32,700
This is a public health issue, like an
unsafe air frame on a passenger jet...
427
00:45:32,900 --> 00:45:35,700
or some company dumping cyanide
into the East River.
428
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:38,400
Issues like that.
He can talk, we can air it.
429
00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:42,000
They've got no right to hide behind
a corporate agreement. Pass the milk.
430
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:44,700
They don't need the right.
They got the money.
431
00:45:44,900 --> 00:45:48,300
The unlimited checkbook.
That's how Big Tobacco wins...
432
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,400
every time
on everything.
433
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:55,600
They spend you to death.
$600 million a year in outside legal.
434
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,600
Chadbourne-Park, Ken Starr's firm,
Kirkland and Ellis.
435
00:45:59,700 --> 00:46:02,400
Listen, G.M. And Ford,
they get nailed...
436
00:46:02,500 --> 00:46:05,500
after 11 or 12 pickups
blow up, right?
437
00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:08,700
- These clowns have never... I mean ever...
- Not even once.
438
00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:12,200
Not even with hundreds of thousands
dying each year from an illness...
439
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,100
related to their product have everlost a personal injury lawsuit.
440
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,600
On this case, they'll issue gag orders,
sue for breach... anticipatory breach...
441
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:24,400
enjoin him, you, us,
his pet dog, the dog's veterinarian,
442
00:46:24,500 --> 00:46:27,900
tie 'em up in litigation for ten
or 15 years, I'm telling you,
they bat a thousand.
443
00:46:27,900 --> 00:46:31,600
Every time. He knows that.
That's why he's not gonna talk to you.
444
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:42,500
Okay, let's look throughthe looking glass the other way.
445
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:45,300
What do you mean?
446
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,800
We got a guy who wants to talk,
but he's constrained.
447
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,000
- What if he were compelled to talk?
- Oh, torture. Great ratings.
448
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:53,200
What do you mean, "compelled"?
449
00:46:53,300 --> 00:46:56,500
I mean, compelled
by a, uh, Justice Department.
450
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,600
State courts.
Be a witness.
451
00:46:58,700 --> 00:47:01,900
That would cut through any
confidentiality agreement, wouldn't it?
452
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,300
- What does that do?
- What do you mean, what does it do?
453
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,700
What I mean is like, how does it cut
through the confidentiality agreement?
454
00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:10,700
Because he has to, uh,
reveal it in a court of law.
455
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,600
It's on record. It's out.
It's no secret anymore.
456
00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:17,400
So how can they restrain his speech
or retaliate? It's out in the world.
457
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,200
If you could engineer it into the
court record, you might have something.
458
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:23,300
They would have a hell of a time
trying to restrain his speech
then, wouldn't they?
459
00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:27,000
Yeah, but what venue? And where does
he get... Does he have killer attorneys?
460
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,100
I don't think he's got
any attorneys.
461
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,700
He's gonna need attorneys who aren'tafraid of risking years of litigation...
462
00:47:33,700 --> 00:47:38,000
and millions of dollars
of their own dough in legal costs.
463
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,700
What do you say, Mike?
What do you think?
464
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:45,800
Even if he gets
the defense team,
465
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,800
will he go for it?
466
00:47:58,900 --> 00:48:02,000
You're awfully
overqualified, Dr. Wigand.
467
00:48:08,900 --> 00:48:11,300
I'm trying to start
a new career.
468
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,300
I believe I could be
a good teacher.
469
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,900
Let me give it
some thought.
470
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,800
And not a lot of companies in the health
care field hire ex-tobacco scientists.
471
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:07,000
That's it.
472
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:18,300
It's where
our babies were born.
473
00:49:21,900 --> 00:49:24,300
Debbie took her first steps
right there on...
474
00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:28,400
In the grass.
475
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:35,100
- I didn't plan on this.
- Hey, hey, hey.
476
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:37,200
Come on. Come on.
477
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:45,500
We can make this
work for us. Okay?
478
00:49:45,500 --> 00:49:47,400
It's just...
It's not...
479
00:49:47,500 --> 00:49:50,300
It's just...
It's a smaller scale.
480
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,300
Simpler, easier.
481
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,700
More time.
More time together.
482
00:49:58,700 --> 00:50:01,000
More time
with the kids.
483
00:50:01,100 --> 00:50:03,900
More time for us.
Okay? It's just...
484
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,400
Can you imagine me
coming home from some job...
485
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,600
feeling good
at the end of the day?
486
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,000
This is gonna be better.
487
00:50:19,700 --> 00:50:22,000
This is gonna be better.
488
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,500
Love your homewith beautiful Broyhill furniture...
489
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,900
You'll find incrediblesale prices throughout Smith'sBroyhill showcase gallery,
490
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,200
with extra savings on every stylefor every room in your home.
491
00:51:00,700 --> 00:51:04,200
If you've been putting offdecorating that special room,
492
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,400
now's the time to act during thelove-your-home sale at Smith's.
493
00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:12,100
- Back to...- Welcome back.
494
00:51:27,500 --> 00:51:29,900
Hey, baby.
What's wrong?
495
00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:32,000
Who's that outside,
Daddy?
496
00:51:34,300 --> 00:51:37,100
- Did you see somebody
or did you hear them?
- I heard him.
497
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,200
- Where?
- In the backyard.
498
00:51:58,300 --> 00:52:01,100
Sit at Daddy's desk, okay?
Why don't you sit up at the desk.
499
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,100
All right?
500
00:52:03,100 --> 00:52:07,200
Get out some paper,
and draw me a picture. Okay?
501
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:17,000
What are you gonna draw me, baby?
An animal? Something like that?
502
00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:20,200
You stay down here until Daddy
gets back, all right, Barbara?
503
00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:22,200
You stay down here.
504
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,900
You almost got
your damn head blown off.
505
00:54:01,700 --> 00:54:03,600
Daddy!
506
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,600
It was just a raccoon, baby.
Nothin'.
507
00:54:08,700 --> 00:54:11,200
They're nocturnal.
You know what that means?
508
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,700
That means that they
only come out at nighttime.
509
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,700
- Yeah.
- Lowell. Jeffrey Wigand.
510
00:54:28,700 --> 00:54:30,700
- Yeah.
- Lowell. Jeffrey Wigand.
511
00:54:30,700 --> 00:54:34,000
Is it too late?
512
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,300
No, no, it's okay. I...
513
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,300
How-How's the new place?
514
00:54:38,300 --> 00:54:40,700
The new place?
New.
515
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,200
- You okay?
- Sure.
516
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,800
I was thinking of
calling you tomorrow anyway.
517
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:52,400
- Uh, how's your kids,
uh, handling the new house?
- Good.
518
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,800
- You got kids?
- We have a couple.
519
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,800
One's hers, one's mine.
Everybody uses a different name.
520
00:54:59,900 --> 00:55:01,900
Modern marriage.
521
00:55:01,900 --> 00:55:04,100
Uh, how's Liane?
522
00:55:05,900 --> 00:55:09,200
Uh, she's okay. Uh...
523
00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:11,200
Hold on a minute.
524
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,300
Lowell.
525
00:55:20,300 --> 00:55:23,500
Somebody may be following me. I-I don't
know. They came on the property.
526
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,900
What do you mean, following you?
Did you call the police?
527
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,800
I-I don't wanna be paranoid.
I mean...
528
00:55:30,100 --> 00:55:33,800
- Maybe it's a game.
Some kind of mind game.
- What do you really think?
529
00:55:33,900 --> 00:55:35,800
I don't know what the fuck
I really think.
530
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:38,900
Are they doing it?
Is some crank doing it?
531
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,900
Are they doing it
to make me feel paranoid?
532
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,900
Are they doing it for real and don't
give a shit what I think? I don't know.
533
00:55:43,900 --> 00:55:46,800
- I don't fuckin' know.
- Jeffrey, describe for me...
534
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,800
in detail what happened.
535
00:55:48,900 --> 00:55:51,000
Well...
536
00:55:50,900 --> 00:55:54,500
No. Look, I mean, there was
a footprint. Forget it.
537
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,100
It's probably
not important at all.
538
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:02,100
You know, I got a job now. I'm teaching
high school. Japanese and Chemistry.
539
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,200
Uh, so, uh, what were you
calling about?
540
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,900
- You called me.
- No, you said you were gonna
call me tomorrow.
541
00:56:10,900 --> 00:56:13,700
- So, what about?
- Oh, yes, yes, yes. I did.
I wanted to talk to you.
542
00:56:13,700 --> 00:56:18,500
I wanted to hook up with you,
talk to you about what we were
talking about in your car.
543
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,500
Okay.
544
00:56:22,700 --> 00:56:26,200
It makes you feel good,
putting what you know to use?
545
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,700
- How'd you know that, Lowell?
- It's obvious, isn't it?
546
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,200
Hello?
Are you there?
547
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,700
Yeah.
548
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,300
Look, um...
549
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,600
Thanks for talking.
I'm sorry I woke you up.
550
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,200
- I didn't know.
- It's okay.
551
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,700
Lowell.
552
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,600
Who is this?
553
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,200
Do not call here!Do not...
554
00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:31,800
What are you
gonna get us?
555
00:57:31,900 --> 00:57:33,900
Tempura.
556
00:57:37,700 --> 00:57:40,200
The Internet said you did
graduate work at Wisconsin,
557
00:57:40,300 --> 00:57:43,800
then went to U.C. La Jolla
with Professor Herbert?
558
00:57:43,900 --> 00:57:46,300
- Marcus...
- Marcuse. Yeah.
559
00:57:46,300 --> 00:57:48,600
He was my mentor.
560
00:57:48,700 --> 00:57:51,900
He had a major influence
on the New Left in the late '60s.
561
00:57:52,100 --> 00:57:54,100
And on me, personally.
562
00:57:54,100 --> 00:57:56,600
- Next to your father?
- My father?
563
00:57:56,700 --> 00:57:59,200
What the hell's that got
to do with my father?
564
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,500
I, uh...
565
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,600
Is that why you became a journalist?
Then you get to ask all the questions?
566
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,000
You charge by the hour?
567
00:58:11,100 --> 00:58:14,000
My father was a...
A mechanical engineer.
568
00:58:14,100 --> 00:58:16,100
Most ingenious man
I ever knew.
569
00:58:16,100 --> 00:58:18,200
My father left us
when I was five years old.
570
00:58:18,100 --> 00:58:20,100
He was not the most ingenious man
I ever knew.
571
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:24,800
Let's get back to Brown & Williamson.
If you decide to go on 60 Minutes,
572
00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:28,200
I gotta know everything
about why you were fired.
573
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:32,300
- Why?
- They're gonna dig up
stuff from your past.
574
00:58:32,500 --> 00:58:36,100
They're gonna throw it at you.
I gotta know what they're gonna throw.
575
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,000
You understand?
576
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,500
I drink.
577
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,300
- Couple of occasions
more than I should have.
- Um-hmm.
578
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,300
I was cited for shoplifting
once, but it was a mistake.
579
00:58:54,900 --> 00:58:57,900
Pushed Liane one time. We were both
stressed out because of the pressure.
580
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,600
She went to her mother's.
581
00:59:00,700 --> 00:59:03,700
I got, uh, fired,
because, uh,
582
00:59:03,700 --> 00:59:06,600
when I get angry, I have
difficulty censoring myself,
583
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,500
and I don't like
to be pushed around.
584
00:59:09,700 --> 00:59:13,100
I'm not pushing you around.
I'm asking you questions.
585
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,200
I'm just a commodity
to you, aren't I?
586
00:59:18,300 --> 00:59:21,600
I could be anything, right? Anything
worth putting on between commercials.
587
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,000
To a network, probably,
we're all commodities.
588
00:59:24,100 --> 00:59:26,500
To me, you're not a commodity.
What you are is important.
589
00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:32,000
You go public, and 30 million people
hear what you gotta say,
590
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,500
nothing... I mean nothing...
will ever be the same again.
591
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,800
- You believe that?
- No.
592
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,700
You should. Because when
you're done the judgment...
593
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,800
is gonna go down in the court
of public opinion, my friend.
594
00:59:44,900 --> 00:59:47,500
And that's...
the power you have.
595
00:59:47,500 --> 00:59:50,800
- You believe that?
- I believe that?
596
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:52,700
- Yes, I believe that.
- You believe that...
597
00:59:52,900 --> 00:59:55,600
- because you get information out
to people, something happens?
- Yes.
598
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,400
Maybe that's just what you've been
telling yourself all these years...
599
00:59:58,500 --> 01:00:00,400
to justify having a good job.
600
01:00:00,500 --> 01:00:02,500
Having status.
601
01:00:02,500 --> 01:00:05,600
Maybe for the audience
it's just voyeurism, something
to do on a Sunday night.
602
01:00:05,700 --> 01:00:07,600
Maybe it won't
change a fuckin' thing,
603
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,300
and people like myself
and my family...
604
01:00:10,300 --> 01:00:14,400
are left hung out to dry,
used up, broke, alone.
605
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,600
Are you talking to me, or did somebody
else just walk in here? I never...
606
01:00:19,500 --> 01:00:23,400
Don't evade a choice you gotta make
by questioning my reputation...
607
01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:25,700
or 60 Minutes
with this cheap skepticism.
608
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,700
I have to put my family's welfare
on the line here, my friend.
609
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,400
- What are you putting up?
You're putting up words.
- "Words."
610
01:00:31,500 --> 01:00:34,700
While you've been dicking around some
fucking company golf tournaments,
611
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,700
I've been out in the world
givin' my word...
612
01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:40,300
and backing it up
with action.
613
01:00:44,500 --> 01:00:47,200
Now, are you gonna go
and do this thing or not?
614
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,100
I said I'd call the kids
before they went to bed.
615
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:09,200
Stringer was supposed to be shootingB- roll on street cops in New Orleans.
616
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,600
- What's with all the horses?- Camera guy's gota thing about mounted police.
617
01:01:12,700 --> 01:01:16,200
Don't any of these guys
ride in cars? Walk?
618
01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:18,600
- How long are these things?
- What was he saying?
619
01:01:18,700 --> 01:01:21,200
Hello. Yes, I'm trying
to reach Mr. Richard Scruggs.
620
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,600
This is Richard Scruggs.
621
01:01:23,700 --> 01:01:25,600
Can you hold on
a second, please?
622
01:01:25,700 --> 01:01:28,000
Lowell, got him
on the phone.
623
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,400
- Hello, I'm Lowell Bergman.
- Hold on.
624
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,400
Mobile Approach, this is
Leo-November-643. Over.
625
01:01:40,900 --> 01:01:42,900
Request a flight level
of 220...
626
01:01:43,100 --> 01:01:45,700
on a heading
of 284 degrees. Over.
627
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,400
- Mr. Bergman?
- Yes, I'm right here.
628
01:01:49,500 --> 01:01:52,200
- Could you call me back on a hard line?
- All right.
629
01:01:52,300 --> 01:01:57,900
- Area code 212-555-0199.
- I'll call you then.
630
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,800
What do we do with that?
631
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,300
I don't know.
632
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,300
Richard Scruggs.
633
01:02:11,300 --> 01:02:14,500
You filed a lawsuit against tobacco
on behalf of the state of Mississippi.
634
01:02:14,700 --> 01:02:16,600
- Did you not?
- That's right.
635
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:21,100
I'm working with someone nowwho's the former head ofresearch at Brown & Williamson.
636
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,800
Former corporate officer there.
637
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,000
What's your interest
in this, Mr. Bergman?
638
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,300
Well, he may tape
an interview with us,
639
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,700
and we believe if his testimony
showed up in a court record first,
640
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,800
it would free him up from hisconfidentiality agreementand give him some protection.
641
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,800
It could work. If it's public record,
it's public record.
642
01:02:39,100 --> 01:02:41,400
Yeah, and he's gonna needlegal representation.
643
01:02:41,300 --> 01:02:43,600
He sure as hell will.
644
01:02:43,700 --> 01:02:46,400
Has he decided
to go public?
645
01:02:46,500 --> 01:02:49,200
Because let me tell ya.
We been doin' this for three years now,
646
01:02:49,100 --> 01:02:52,700
and we've worked with a lot of corporate
cases involving whistle-blowers.
647
01:02:52,900 --> 01:02:56,100
So we know Big Tobacco will do
everything in their power to stop him.
648
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,300
So is your man
truly committed?
649
01:02:59,300 --> 01:03:02,600
Well, actually, no... Well, he's
on the fence. That's the point.
650
01:03:05,300 --> 01:03:08,700
Well, we'd certainly be interested
in making his acquaintance.
651
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,300
But without knowing
what he's gonna do...
652
01:03:11,300 --> 01:03:14,700
Would you want him to call you, or you
wanna call him? How do you wanna do it?
653
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,600
It would be better
if he called us.
654
01:03:17,700 --> 01:03:19,700
- Yeah. Okay.
- All right?
655
01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:22,100
Okay. Thank you.
Shit.
656
01:03:26,300 --> 01:03:28,800
We need cops on the streets.
We don't need them on horses.
657
01:03:28,900 --> 01:03:30,800
- I don't know what he was thinking.
- For God's sake.
658
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,900
- This guy got a horse fetish?
- All right, all right.
659
01:03:33,100 --> 01:03:35,200
Get me, uh...
Get me to New Orleans this afternoon.
660
01:03:35,300 --> 01:03:37,500
I'll shoot
the fucking thing myself!
661
01:03:38,900 --> 01:03:40,800
- Have a good one.
- All right.
662
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,600
What are you cooking?
663
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:07,500
- I'm cooking pasta primavera.
- Oh, I love that stuff.
664
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:13,100
I'm going to
have to go downstairs.
665
01:04:45,100 --> 01:04:46,900
Jeffrey!
666
01:05:08,900 --> 01:05:11,000
Jeffrey! Jeffrey!
667
01:05:11,100 --> 01:05:14,400
Jeffrey! Jeffrey!
668
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,500
- What happened?- Dispatcher received a callof shots fired in the area.
669
01:05:46,700 --> 01:05:51,300
Uniforms arrived on the scene, found
this white male subject shot to death.
670
01:05:51,300 --> 01:05:54,600
- Was it gang related?
- There's no indication...
671
01:05:54,700 --> 01:05:59,600
as far as a tag or an advertisement.
672
01:05:59,700 --> 01:06:02,200
Yeah.
673
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,300
They're terrorizing us.
Death threats. My family, my kids.
674
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,400
Whoa. What are you
talking about?
675
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,900
- Someone put a bullet in my mailbox.
- Jeff, call the F.B.I.
676
01:06:11,900 --> 01:06:14,200
- Right away.
- They do this with impunity.
677
01:06:14,300 --> 01:06:16,700
- Jeff...
- They get to go home at night.
678
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,500
What does it cost these people
to do this to us? Nothing!
679
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:24,200
My girls are crying.
So fuck them.
680
01:06:24,100 --> 01:06:26,200
- I wanna tape. I'm done...
- I heard you.
681
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:28,800
I gotta arrange
for a legal defense first.
682
01:06:28,900 --> 01:06:32,000
I gotta get you to testify in court,
get it on public record.
683
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,800
Then hold it off the air until you
got that, but I wanna go to New York,
684
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,300
and I wanna go on the record...
right now.
685
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:42,600
- Good. But, Jeff...
- I'll call them, Lowell.
686
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,800
Did you handle the round,
Mr. Wigand?
687
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:52,900
Yes, I'm afraid I did.
688
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,600
We won't be able to lift
usable prints.
689
01:06:57,500 --> 01:07:00,100
Do you own a gun,
Mr. Wigand?
690
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,700
- A gun? Yes.
- What caliber is your gun?
691
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,300
What caliber is my gun?
692
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,300
Yes, sir.
What caliber is your gun?
693
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,300
What does that have to do
with the price of tea in China?
694
01:07:16,100 --> 01:07:19,900
You think I put the bullet
in the mailbox myself?
695
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,500
If we could
take a look, Mr. Wigand.
696
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,700
Why do you keep this gun?
697
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,300
I don't think it's unconstitutional
yet to own a gun. I'm a target shooter.
698
01:07:41,300 --> 01:07:44,400
That bullet was for a.38 caliber.
Do you own a.38?
699
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,600
Yes, I do. A.38 Target Masterin my gun safe downstairs.
700
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,700
A.45 Gold Cup,
a.22 target pistol. So what?
701
01:07:52,100 --> 01:07:55,700
Do you have a history
of emotional problems, Mr. Wigand?
702
01:07:55,900 --> 01:07:57,900
Yeah. Yes, I do.
703
01:07:58,100 --> 01:08:01,800
Yes, I get extremely emotional when
assholes put bullets in my mailbox.
704
01:08:01,900 --> 01:08:06,000
I didn't tell you that so you could
pick it up and take it away.
705
01:08:06,100 --> 01:08:08,600
- Jeffrey!
- What's going on?
706
01:08:08,700 --> 01:08:10,600
I told them you had an e-mail
death threat that told you...
707
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:12,500
if you didn't shut the "F" up,
they were gonna kill you.
708
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:16,000
You can't take that. It's personal
property. My personal correspondence,
709
01:08:16,100 --> 01:08:18,800
letters to my brother, my will.
710
01:08:30,500 --> 01:08:32,400
You all right?
711
01:08:41,700 --> 01:08:43,600
That computer has
every single...
712
01:08:44,900 --> 01:08:46,900
You all right, Mr. Wigand?
713
01:08:47,100 --> 01:08:50,000
We need to take a look
at your gun safe, Mr. Wigand.
714
01:09:07,100 --> 01:09:11,000
I'm telling you... your agents
in that office are acting improperly.
715
01:09:11,100 --> 01:09:13,000
Now who are they
trying to protect?
716
01:09:13,100 --> 01:09:15,000
Let me, tell you something,
Lowell. Look, look.
717
01:09:15,100 --> 01:09:17,400
You're talking about two agents
in a regional office in Louisville.
718
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:20,600
I got the goddamned Unabomber
threatening to blow up L.A.X.
719
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:24,900
I gotta move 45 agents
from all over the country into L.A.
720
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,000
All right? When I get a chance,
I'll give it a look.
721
01:09:27,100 --> 01:09:30,000
You better take a good
look because I'm getting two things:
722
01:09:29,900 --> 01:09:32,100
Pissed off and curious!
723
01:09:32,300 --> 01:09:37,100
Now, any of these guys been offered jobs
in corporate security after they retire?
724
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,500
Either one of those guys got
ex-agent pals already in those jobs?
725
01:09:40,500 --> 01:09:43,800
Like, for instance, their ex-supervisor
who's already at Brown & Williamson...
726
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,900
as we fuckin' speak!
727
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:47,900
- I'll give it a look.
- You're getting my drift?
728
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:49,900
I'll give it a look.
729
01:09:51,500 --> 01:09:53,800
So is everything okay?
730
01:09:55,300 --> 01:09:58,200
- How are the rooms? Comfortable?
- Yes, very.
731
01:09:58,300 --> 01:10:01,400
Do you know,
I enjoy your work so much.
732
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:05,100
When you're talkin' to somebody,
I always feel like I'm right there.
733
01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:07,400
Thank you for saying that.
734
01:10:07,500 --> 01:10:09,600
Do you think we could
talk about the taping?
735
01:10:09,700 --> 01:10:14,100
Tomorrow's taping? Just so we
can get it out of the way and order.
736
01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:19,200
Yeah, well, questions will go
towards what work you did there,
why you were fired and other...
737
01:10:19,300 --> 01:10:21,900
Taping?
738
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:29,700
- What are you taping?
- I'm doin' an interview.
739
01:10:32,500 --> 01:10:34,800
An interview?
740
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:43,000
Do you know what
they will do to us?
741
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,000
I thought we...
742
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:50,900
I'm sorry.
743
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,900
Liane, this is
a preliminary...
744
01:11:02,300 --> 01:11:05,400
You didn't
tell her we were taping?
745
01:11:05,500 --> 01:11:09,200
What did she think she was
coming to New York for?
746
01:11:09,300 --> 01:11:12,700
Talk about it, think about it.
I had a plan to, uh, ease her into it,
747
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,700
but I really...
I don't know how to do that.
748
01:11:21,300 --> 01:11:23,900
Oh, man.
749
01:11:28,100 --> 01:11:30,000
Who are these people?
750
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:36,000
Ordinary people under
extraordinary pressure, Mike.
751
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,600
What the hell you expect,
grace and consistency?
752
01:12:09,100 --> 01:12:13,000
Five, four, three, two...
753
01:12:14,500 --> 01:12:16,700
You heard Mr. Sandefur say...
754
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:21,400
before Congress that he believed
nicotine was not addictive.
755
01:12:21,500 --> 01:12:24,500
I believe Mr. Sandefur
perjured himself...
756
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,500
because I watched those
testimonies very carefully.
757
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:30,800
All of us did. I mean,there was this whole line of people,
758
01:12:30,700 --> 01:12:33,300
whole line of C.E.O. 'sup there swearing.
759
01:12:33,300 --> 01:12:37,400
Part of the reasonI'm here is that I felt...
760
01:12:37,700 --> 01:12:40,100
that their representation
clearly misstated...
761
01:12:40,100 --> 01:12:42,100
at least within Brown & Williamson's
representation...
762
01:12:42,100 --> 01:12:46,500
clearly misstated what is common
language within the company.
763
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,800
We are in
the nicotine delivery business.
764
01:12:48,900 --> 01:12:51,000
And that's what
cigarettes are for.
765
01:12:51,100 --> 01:12:53,300
Delivery device for nicotine.
766
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:55,400
A delivery device
for nicotine.
767
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,200
Put it in your mouth, light it up
and you're going to get your fix.
768
01:12:58,300 --> 01:13:02,700
- You're gonna get your fix.
- You're saying thatBrown & Williamson...
769
01:13:02,700 --> 01:13:05,800
manipulates and adjuststhe nicotine fix...
770
01:13:06,100 --> 01:13:08,000
not by artificially
adding nicotine,
771
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,000
but by enhancing
the effect of nicotine...
772
01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:15,500
through the useof chemical elements such as ammonia.
773
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,300
The process is known
as impact boosting.
774
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,100
While not spiking nicotine,
775
01:13:21,100 --> 01:13:24,100
they clearly manipulate it.
776
01:13:24,100 --> 01:13:28,600
There is extensive use of this
technology, known as ammonia chemistry.
777
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:32,200
It allows for the nicotine to be
more rapidly absorbed in the lung...
778
01:13:32,300 --> 01:13:35,000
and therefore affect the brain
and central nervous system.
779
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,800
The straw that broke the camel'sback for me and really put mein trouble with Sandefur...
780
01:13:42,900 --> 01:13:45,600
was a compound called coumarin.
781
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,600
When I came on board
at B&W,
782
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:52,400
they had tried to transition
from coumarin to a similar flavor...
783
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:56,100
that would give the same taste
and had been unsuccessful.
784
01:13:56,100 --> 01:13:59,800
I wanted it out immediately.
I was told...
785
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:04,000
that it would effect sales, so
I should mind my own business.
786
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,000
I constructed a memo to Mr. Sandefur
indicating I could not in conscience...
787
01:14:07,100 --> 01:14:09,800
continue with coumarin
in a product that we now knew...
788
01:14:09,900 --> 01:14:14,400
we had documentation... was similar to
coumadin, a lung-specific carcinogen.
789
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,200
And you sent the document
forward to Sandefur?
790
01:14:17,300 --> 01:14:19,200
I sent the document
forward to Sandefur.
791
01:14:19,300 --> 01:14:22,700
I was told that we would
continue to work on a substitute.
792
01:14:22,700 --> 01:14:26,500
We weren't going to remove it
as it would impact sales
and that that was his decision.
793
01:14:26,700 --> 01:14:29,400
In other words,you are charging Sandefur...
794
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,400
and Brown & Williamson...
795
01:14:31,300 --> 01:14:33,700
with ignoring health
considerations consciously?
796
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:39,000
- Most certainly.
- And on March 24,
797
01:14:39,100 --> 01:14:42,800
Thomas Sandefur,
C.E.O. Of Brown & Williamson,
798
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,200
had you fired.
799
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,700
And the reasonhe gave you?
800
01:14:50,700 --> 01:14:52,900
Poor communication skills.
801
01:14:55,100 --> 01:14:58,700
And you wish
you hadn't come forward?
802
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,400
You wish you hadn't
blown the whistle?
803
01:15:02,900 --> 01:15:05,400
Yeah, there are times
I wish I hadn't done it.
804
01:15:07,300 --> 01:15:10,500
There are times I feel com...
compelled to do it.
805
01:15:12,500 --> 01:15:14,500
If you'd asked me...
806
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:17,100
would I do it again,
do I think it's worth it?
807
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,100
Yeah, I think it's worth it.
808
01:15:56,300 --> 01:15:59,500
- Hi.
- Hi.
809
01:15:59,500 --> 01:16:01,900
My name is Jeff Wigand.
810
01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:06,800
You can call me, uh,
Mr. Wigand.
811
01:16:06,900 --> 01:16:08,800
You can call me
Dr. Wigand.
812
01:16:08,900 --> 01:16:12,400
I have a Ph.D. In biochemistry
and endocrinology.
813
01:16:12,500 --> 01:16:15,200
You can call me Jeff.
814
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,800
Anything else you want to call me,
you'll have to do so in private.
815
01:16:19,900 --> 01:16:23,700
Um, okay.
816
01:16:23,700 --> 01:16:25,900
I find chemistry
to be magical.
817
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:28,100
I find it an adventure.
818
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:32,600
An exploration into the building
blocks of our physical universe.
819
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:35,100
So how many of you have
taken chemistry before?
820
01:16:38,100 --> 01:16:41,100
Okay. I've never taught it
before, so we're gonna be fine.
821
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:44,000
Our first experiment
is gonna be measuring...
822
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,100
the molecular weight
of butane.
823
01:16:48,100 --> 01:16:50,700
He's on line three.
824
01:16:54,300 --> 01:16:58,100
- Hello?
- Mr. Scruggs? Jeff Wigand.
825
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,100
Lowell Bergman said
I should give you a call.
826
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:02,700
My co-counsel,
Ron Motley and I,
827
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:06,200
have filed a lawsuit against
the tobacco industry on behalf
of the state of Mississippi...
828
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:08,800
to get the state
reimbursed Medicaid costs...
829
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:11,400
for treatin' people
with smoking-related illness.
830
01:17:12,500 --> 01:17:14,600
If you'd be interested
in talkin' to us,
831
01:17:14,700 --> 01:17:17,100
we'd certainly like
to talk to you.
832
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:20,900
When should we do this?
833
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,100
Who the hell are you?
What are you doing in my house?
834
01:17:47,100 --> 01:17:49,700
- It's okay, Jeff. It's okay.
- Mr. Wigand, you need to speak to...
835
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:54,100
You've got
your own security now.
836
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,600
You know, Lowell,
I can't... I can't afford to...
837
01:17:58,700 --> 01:18:02,900
No, they volunteered.
A friend owns a large security company.
838
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,900
How're you doing, Mr. Wigand?I'm John Telafarro.
839
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,900
There'll be three of us
on the detail.
840
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:13,200
I'm going to the store. Please explain
our new houseguests to your children.
841
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:18,300
Mrs. Wigand's leaving the house.
842
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:25,200
Uh, I called Richard Scruggs
in Mississippi.
843
01:18:25,300 --> 01:18:29,700
- I heard.
- I'm gonna be a witness for them
in their litigation.
844
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,300
So I'm gonna fly to Pascagoula,
give a deposition.
845
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,600
I know. I'm gonna
go there tonight.
846
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:41,400
You all right?
847
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:44,000
- Did you have a good day?
- Yes, I did. I had a great day.
848
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,600
- Uh, coffee, Lowell?
- Yeah, all right.
849
01:18:46,700 --> 01:18:49,000
Wanna play that game
we were playing before?
850
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:51,800
You know, I think you
got it up to five.
851
01:18:51,900 --> 01:18:54,300
I was ahead of you,and then you just...
852
01:19:14,700 --> 01:19:18,400
Please don't wash your hands
in the sink.
853
01:19:18,500 --> 01:19:21,600
Where should I wash them?
854
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:24,100
Use the bathroom.
855
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:26,100
What's the difference?
856
01:19:26,100 --> 01:19:28,000
That's for food.
857
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,700
Leave it on.
Just leave it on! Okay?
858
01:20:41,900 --> 01:20:44,100
I don't think
I can do this.
859
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,700
I want to stand by
my husband.
860
01:20:52,700 --> 01:20:55,100
I really do, Jeffrey,
but...
861
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:59,400
I don't think I can
do this anymore.
862
01:21:02,700 --> 01:21:04,600
I am so sorry.
863
01:21:24,100 --> 01:21:26,900
Can we talk about this
when I get back?
864
01:21:32,500 --> 01:21:34,400
Yes, Jeffrey.
865
01:22:30,300 --> 01:22:33,200
It's okay.
866
01:22:45,900 --> 01:22:48,000
Jeff!
867
01:22:51,700 --> 01:22:53,600
You've been served.
868
01:23:06,100 --> 01:23:08,700
Now, what this one is is
a temporary restraining order,
869
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:12,300
a gag order,
issued by a Kentucky court.
870
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,000
Jeff Wigand,
Michael Moore.
871
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:17,100
Good to meet you,
Dr. Wigand.
872
01:23:17,100 --> 01:23:19,100
Mike's our attorney generaldown here.
873
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,400
I was just explaining to Jeffthey got a Kentucky court...
874
01:23:21,500 --> 01:23:24,300
to issue a gag orderto stop his deposition today.
875
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,500
- Right.
- Now,
876
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:29,000
they tried to get
the Mississippi court to honor it,
877
01:23:29,100 --> 01:23:31,000
but the judge threw it out.
878
01:23:31,100 --> 01:23:35,900
However, for you, there is a more
perilous effect of the gag order.
879
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:39,900
Dr. Wigand, you do understand
what can happen, don't you?
880
01:23:42,700 --> 01:23:47,000
I'm not free to testify...
here.
881
01:23:47,100 --> 01:23:49,900
That's right. If you violate
the Kentucky order,
882
01:23:49,900 --> 01:23:52,100
when you
step foot back in Kentucky...
883
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:55,200
they can find you in contempt
and they can incarcerate you.
884
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:57,100
And you ought to know that.
885
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:03,100
- Jail.
- Possibly, yes.
886
01:24:03,100 --> 01:24:06,100
That is one of the possible consequences
of your testifying here today.
887
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:08,200
That's right.
888
01:24:13,300 --> 01:24:16,800
How does...
How does one go to jail?
889
01:24:16,900 --> 01:24:20,500
Wh-What does my family do?
890
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:23,000
Go on welfare?
891
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,300
If my wife has to work,
who's gonna look after the kids?
892
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:28,900
Put food on the table?
I mean, my children need me.
893
01:24:28,900 --> 01:24:31,200
If I'm not teaching,
there's no medical.
894
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:35,200
No medical, even on co-pay,
that's like... Tuition...
895
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:38,100
Dr. Wigand, listen.
896
01:24:38,300 --> 01:24:40,700
You may not be able
to do this thing.
897
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,500
As I understand from Dick,
you're our key witness,
898
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:47,000
and I hope
you don't withdraw.
899
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,500
Um, I guess we'd all
understand if you did.
900
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:52,900
Guys, I gotta go.
I'm gonna be late for court.
901
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:56,300
I'll see y'all later.
Dr. Wigand, good luck.
902
01:25:06,300 --> 01:25:08,700
I know what you're facing,
Jeff.
903
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:10,800
And I think I know
how you're feeling.
904
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:17,100
In the navy, I flew
A-6's off carriers.
905
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:20,500
In combat, events have
a duration of seconds.
906
01:25:20,500 --> 01:25:22,800
Sometimes minutes.
907
01:25:22,900 --> 01:25:25,700
But what you're going through
goes on day in, day out,
908
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,000
whether you're
ready for it or not.
909
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,000
Week in, week out.
910
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,700
Month after month
after month.
911
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:36,300
Whether you're up
or whether you're down.
912
01:25:36,500 --> 01:25:39,400
You're assaulted
psychologically.
913
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:41,900
You're assaulted
financially,
914
01:25:41,900 --> 01:25:46,600
which is its own special kind
of violence because it's
directed at your kids.
915
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:49,000
What school can you afford?
916
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,500
How will that
affect their lives?
917
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:53,500
You're asking yourself,
918
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,900
"Will that limit
what they may become?"
919
01:25:56,900 --> 01:25:59,600
You feel your whole family's future
is compromised,
920
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,200
held hostage.
921
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:04,500
I do know how it is.
922
01:26:18,900 --> 01:26:20,800
You attract a crowd.
923
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:22,900
Yeah.
Great.
924
01:26:24,700 --> 01:26:27,800
I heard about
the Kentucky gag order.
925
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,000
I don't know what to do.
926
01:27:36,500 --> 01:27:39,800
Hold on a second.
927
01:27:39,700 --> 01:27:43,800
Would you please ask Mr. Motley if he
expects his witness to appear or not?
928
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:14,500
I can't seem to find
the criteria to decide.
929
01:28:16,500 --> 01:28:19,800
It's too big a decision to make
without being resolved in my own mind.
930
01:28:22,300 --> 01:28:25,200
Maybe things have changed.
931
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:48,300
A lot's changed.
932
01:28:53,700 --> 01:28:55,600
You mean since this morning?
933
01:28:57,900 --> 01:29:01,200
No, I mean since whenever.
934
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:09,800
Fuck it.
935
01:29:09,900 --> 01:29:12,000
Let's go to court.
936
01:29:12,100 --> 01:29:14,800
Dr. Wigand would like to leave now.
937
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:41,900
Okay, Jeff. I'm gonna sit you down
at that table over there.
938
01:31:41,900 --> 01:31:43,900
I want to start
as fast as possible.
939
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:46,200
I don't want to give them a chance to
get another restraining order. Okay?
940
01:31:46,300 --> 01:31:48,300
- Let's go.
- Good luck, Doc.
941
01:31:56,500 --> 01:32:00,200
Please stand.
Raise your right hand.
942
01:32:00,300 --> 01:32:04,500
Do you swear to tell the truth,
the whole truth and nothing
but the truth, so help you God?
943
01:32:04,500 --> 01:32:07,700
- I do.- You may be seated.
944
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:10,600
You understand, Dr. Wigand,you are under oath?
945
01:32:10,700 --> 01:32:14,800
This is a sworn deposition.
There's no judge. It's not a trial.
946
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:18,000
Will you state your name
for the record?
947
01:32:18,100 --> 01:32:21,600
Jeffrey S. Wigand.
R-E-Y. W-I-G-A-N-D.
948
01:32:25,100 --> 01:32:27,600
Got any idea what's
going on in there?
949
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:29,600
No, I don't have
a clue.
950
01:32:31,700 --> 01:32:34,200
- That is correct.
- In other words, it acts as a drug,
951
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:36,500
- Object to the form of the question.
- It acts as a drug...
952
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:38,400
- Object to the form...
- It acts as a drug...
953
01:32:38,500 --> 01:32:40,600
- Object!
- Is there an echo in here?
954
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:42,700
Your objection's been recorded.
955
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:45,800
She typed it into her little machineover there. It's on the record.
956
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:50,500
So now I'll proceedwith my deposition of my witness.
957
01:32:52,300 --> 01:32:55,600
- Does it act as a drug?
- Dr. Wigand!
958
01:32:55,700 --> 01:32:58,200
I am instructing you...
959
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:00,800
not to answer that question.
960
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:04,500
In accordance to the terms of
the contractual obligations...
961
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:07,200
undertaken by you...
962
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:10,100
not to discloseany information...
963
01:33:10,300 --> 01:33:14,000
about your work at the Brown
& Williamson Tobacco Company.
964
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:17,300
And in accordance
with the force and effect...
965
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:19,300
of the temporary
restraining order...
966
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:21,600
that has beenentered against you...
967
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:25,500
by the courtin the state of Kentucky.
968
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,200
That means you don't talk.
969
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:30,400
Mr. Motley, we have rights here.
970
01:33:30,500 --> 01:33:32,800
Oh, you've got rights.
971
01:33:32,900 --> 01:33:36,900
And lefts.
Ups and downs and middles.
972
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:41,700
So what? You don't get
to instruct anything around here!
973
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:45,900
This is not North Carolina,
not South Carolina, nor Kentucky.
974
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:49,400
This is the sovereign state
of Mississippi's proceeding.
975
01:33:49,500 --> 01:33:52,300
Wipe that smirk off your face!
976
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:56,300
Dr. Wigand's deposition
will be part of this record!
977
01:33:56,400 --> 01:34:00,500
And I'm gonna take my witness' testimony
whether the hell you like it or not!
978
01:34:14,500 --> 01:34:16,500
Answer the question,
Doctor.
979
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:21,600
Yes. It producesa physiological response, whichmeets the definition of a drug.
980
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:25,000
Um, nicotine
is associated with...
981
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:27,600
impact, satisfaction.
982
01:34:27,500 --> 01:34:32,100
It has a pharmacological effect that
crosses the blood-brain barrier intact.
983
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:37,900
Thank you, Doctor. Thank you.
984
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:24,300
One of the reasons
I'm here is that I felt...
985
01:35:24,300 --> 01:35:27,600
that their representation
clearly...
986
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:34,000
Run that Sandefur piece
on "nicotine's not addictive."
987
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:37,600
Run that on camera, then cut right to
Wigand with "I believe they perjured..."
988
01:35:37,700 --> 01:35:40,600
Then go wide to the C.E.O. S
all taking the oath.
989
01:35:40,700 --> 01:35:43,600
Then back on Jeff...
990
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:46,100
and play the pause after
the word "felt" on the B-side.
991
01:35:46,300 --> 01:35:49,600
Hell of a show, Mike.
Explosive material.
992
01:35:51,700 --> 01:35:54,500
- It went great in Mississippi, Mike.
- Good.
993
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:57,700
- I heard Wigand's deposition got sealed.
- Yeah.
994
01:35:57,900 --> 01:36:01,200
They argued that he was going
to reveal the secret formula
of Kools to the world.
995
01:36:03,700 --> 01:36:06,200
Sealed doesn't hurt Scruggs� litigation,
996
01:36:06,300 --> 01:36:09,900
and since we're the only oneswith the story, I believewe're sitting on an exclusive.
997
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:12,400
I like that.
Corporate has some questions.
998
01:36:12,500 --> 01:36:14,900
We've got a meeting at "Black Rock"first thing in the morning.
999
01:36:15,100 --> 01:36:19,100
- When's the air date?
- Lowell, Sharon's on line three.
1000
01:36:19,100 --> 01:36:23,200
- Tell her I'll call her back in ten.
- Here we go.
1001
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:25,700
That they had long
known that the nicotine in tobacco...
1002
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:30,100
is an addictive drug despite their
public statements to the contrary.
1003
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:33,800
Like the testimony before Congress
of Dr. Wigand's former boss,
1004
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:37,900
Brown & Williamson's chief
executive officer, Thomas Sandefur.
1005
01:36:37,900 --> 01:36:40,400
I believe that nicotine
is not addictive.
1006
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:43,200
I believe Mr. Sandefur
perjured himself...
1007
01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:45,700
because I watched those
testimonies very carefully.
1008
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:49,300
All of us did.
There was this whole line of people,
1009
01:36:49,300 --> 01:36:51,700
whole line of C.E.O.'s
up there all swearing.
1010
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:54,500
Part of the reason
I'm here is that I felt...
1011
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:57,800
that their representation
clearly misstated...
1012
01:36:57,900 --> 01:37:00,200
what is common language
within the company.
1013
01:37:00,100 --> 01:37:02,400
We are in the nicotine
delivery business.
1014
01:37:02,500 --> 01:37:06,000
There is extensive use of thistechnology, known as ammonia chemistry.
1015
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:10,100
It allows for the nicotine to bemore rapidly absorbed in the lung...
1016
01:37:10,100 --> 01:37:12,800
and therefore affect the brain
and central nervous system.
1017
01:37:12,900 --> 01:37:15,900
That's what cigarettes are for.
- Delivery device for nicotine.
1018
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:18,900
A delivery device
for nicotine. Put it in your mouth,
1019
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:20,900
light it up and
you're going to get your fix.
1020
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:23,300
You're going to get your fix.
1021
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:30,600
- Shall I send for coffee?
Sorry I'm late.
- No, we're fine.
1022
01:40:30,700 --> 01:40:33,500
- Are you sure?
- Yeah.
1023
01:40:33,500 --> 01:40:35,800
All right. I thought
we'd get together...
1024
01:40:35,900 --> 01:40:37,800
because there's
a legal concept...
1025
01:40:37,900 --> 01:40:40,600
that has been getting
some new attention recently.
1026
01:40:40,700 --> 01:40:42,800
Tortious interference.
1027
01:40:42,900 --> 01:40:46,700
If two people have an agreement,like a confidentiality agreement,
1028
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:51,100
and one of them breaks it because they
are induced to do so by a third party,
1029
01:40:51,300 --> 01:40:54,400
the third party can be sued
for damages for interfering.
1030
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:56,600
Hence, tortious interference.
1031
01:40:56,700 --> 01:40:59,800
"Interfering"?
That's what we do.
1032
01:40:59,900 --> 01:41:02,600
I think what we're trying to tell youis that it happens all the time.
1033
01:41:02,700 --> 01:41:06,700
This is a news organization. People are
always telling us things they shouldn't.
1034
01:41:06,700 --> 01:41:10,900
We have to verify if it's true
and in the public interest.
And if it is, we air it.
1035
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:15,300
And after we corroborate it.
That's why we've never lost
a lawsuit and run a classy show.
1036
01:41:15,500 --> 01:41:20,300
- Anything else?
- And 60 Minutes' verification
is exact and precise.
1037
01:41:20,500 --> 01:41:24,400
And I don't think it would hurt
to make sure you're right on this one.
1038
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:28,300
Why? You think we have liability?
1039
01:41:28,300 --> 01:41:30,400
What's the CBS News position,
Eric?
1040
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:32,600
There's a possibility.
It's rather remote.
1041
01:41:32,700 --> 01:41:35,700
But one we
have to check on, Mike.
1042
01:41:35,700 --> 01:41:38,300
I've retained outside counsel
to do exactly that...
1043
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:43,000
on a segment, I might add,
that's already rife with problems.
1044
01:41:43,100 --> 01:41:45,000
What does that mean?
"Rife with..."
1045
01:41:45,100 --> 01:41:48,300
I'm told unusual promises
were made to Wigand.
1046
01:41:48,500 --> 01:41:51,600
No, only that we would hold his story
until it was safe for him.
1047
01:41:51,700 --> 01:41:54,800
And I'm told there are questions
as to our star witness' veracity.
1048
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:57,700
His "veracity" was good enough
for the state of Mississippi.
1049
01:41:57,800 --> 01:42:00,300
Our standards have to be
higher than anyone else's,
1050
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:03,400
because we are the standard
for everybody else.
1051
01:42:03,500 --> 01:42:08,700
Well, as a "standard," I'll hang with
"is this guy telling the truth?"
1052
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:11,500
Well, with tortious interference,
I'm afraid...
1053
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:15,100
the greater the truth,
the greater the damage.
1054
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:19,000
- Come again?
- They own...
1055
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:21,600
the information he's disclosing.
1056
01:42:21,700 --> 01:42:23,700
The truer it is,
1057
01:42:23,900 --> 01:42:25,900
the greater
the damage to them.
1058
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:29,600
If he lied, he didn't
disclose their information,
and the damages are smaller.
1059
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:39,500
- Is this Alice in Wonderland?
- You said "on this one."
1060
01:42:39,500 --> 01:42:41,500
What about this one?
1061
01:42:41,500 --> 01:42:45,200
If this holds up...And it very well may not, Mike.
1062
01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:48,700
But if it did
and we aired this segment,
1063
01:42:48,700 --> 01:42:52,700
and CBS was sued
by Brown & Williamson,
1064
01:42:52,900 --> 01:42:54,900
I think we could be
at grave risk.
1065
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:58,800
- How grave?
- Well, at the end of the day,
1066
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:01,500
because of your segment,
1067
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:04,000
the Brown & Williamson
Tobacco Company...
1068
01:43:04,100 --> 01:43:06,100
could own CBS.
1069
01:43:08,200 --> 01:43:11,100
Oh. You know,
1070
01:43:11,300 --> 01:43:15,200
I am sorry,
but I'm due upstairs.
1071
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:18,200
Is CBS Corporate
telling CBS News...
1072
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:21,700
"Do not go to air
with this story"?
1073
01:43:21,900 --> 01:43:24,500
You're getting ahead of yourself.
We're all in this together.
1074
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:27,800
We're all CBS.
We'll find out soon.
1075
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:29,700
Thank you, gentlemen.
1076
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:38,700
"Tortious interference."
1077
01:43:38,900 --> 01:43:42,000
That sounds like a disease
caught by a radio.
1078
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:44,500
- Lunch?
- Sure.
1079
01:43:44,500 --> 01:43:46,900
Don't worry.
We call the shots around here.
1080
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:02,800
Hello?
1081
01:44:02,900 --> 01:44:05,700
Debbie, it's me. I want
you to check some filings,
1082
01:44:05,900 --> 01:44:08,300
and give me John Wilson's number
at Bear-Stearn.
1083
01:44:16,500 --> 01:44:19,000
- What now?
- Kluster's coming over.
1084
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:28,600
Hello, Lowell, Mike.
1085
01:44:28,700 --> 01:44:31,000
Don.
1086
01:44:31,100 --> 01:44:35,400
There has been so much soul searching
about this Wigand.
1087
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:37,800
I've decided we should cut
an alternate version of
the show without his interview.
1088
01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:39,900
I've decided we should cut
an alternate version of
the show without his interview.
1089
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:44,600
So what happened to Ms. Caperelli's
checking with outside counsel first?
1090
01:44:44,700 --> 01:44:46,600
- All that crap?
- That's happening.
1091
01:44:46,600 --> 01:44:49,200
Hopefully, we won't have to use
the alternate, but we should
have it in the can.
1092
01:44:49,300 --> 01:44:51,600
- I'm not touching my film.
- I'm afraid you are.
1093
01:44:51,700 --> 01:44:55,800
- No, I'm not.
- We're doing this
with or without you, Lowell.
1094
01:44:55,900 --> 01:44:59,900
If you like, I can assign
another producer to edit your show.
1095
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:04,100
Since when has the, uh,
1096
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:07,600
paragon of
investigative journalism...
1097
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:11,800
allowed lawyers to determine
the news content on 60 Minutes?
1098
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:14,400
It's an alternate version.
1099
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:17,100
So what if we have
an alternate version?
1100
01:45:17,200 --> 01:45:19,800
And I don't think our being cautious
is so damned unreasonable.
1101
01:45:21,100 --> 01:45:23,000
So now, if you will
excuse me, gentlemen,
1102
01:45:23,100 --> 01:45:25,700
Mr. Rather's been complaining
about his chair again.
1103
01:45:25,700 --> 01:45:28,600
Before you go,
1104
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:31,600
I discovered this.
1105
01:45:33,700 --> 01:45:38,200
S.E.C. Filing for the sale of CBS
Corporation to Westinghouse Corporation.
1106
01:45:38,300 --> 01:45:40,600
- What?
- Yeah, I heard rumors.
1107
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:43,800
It's not a rumor. It's a sale.
If Tisch can unload CBS...
1108
01:45:43,900 --> 01:45:46,200
for $81 a share
to Westinghouse,
1109
01:45:46,300 --> 01:45:48,200
and then is
suddenly threatened...
1110
01:45:48,200 --> 01:45:52,000
with a multi-billion dollar
lawsuit from Brown & Williamson,
1111
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:54,000
that could screw up the sale,
could it not?
1112
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:58,000
- What are you implying?
- I'm not implying. I'm quoting.
1113
01:45:58,100 --> 01:46:02,000
Uh, " More vested interests. Persons
who will profit from this merger.
1114
01:46:02,100 --> 01:46:07,300
"Ms. Helen Caperelli, general counsel
of CBS News, 3.9 million.
1115
01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:10,500
"Mr. Eric Kluster,
president of CBS News,
1116
01:46:10,500 --> 01:46:13,400
1.4 million."
1117
01:46:13,500 --> 01:46:16,600
Are you suggesting thatshe and Eric are influenced by money?
1118
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:20,600
No, no, of course they're not
influenced by money. They work for free.
1119
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:23,200
And you are a volunteer
executive producer.
1120
01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:27,100
CBS does not do that. And you're
questioning our journalistic integrity.
1121
01:46:27,300 --> 01:46:29,200
No, I'm questioning
your hearing.
1122
01:46:29,300 --> 01:46:31,600
You hear "reasonable"
and "tortious interference."
1123
01:46:31,700 --> 01:46:34,900
I hear "potential Brown
& Williamson lawsuit...
1124
01:46:34,900 --> 01:46:37,900
jeopardizing the sale
of CBS to Westinghouse."
1125
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:41,400
I hear "Shut the segment down.
Cut Wigand loose.
1126
01:46:41,400 --> 01:46:44,200
Obey orders and fuck off."
That's what I hear.
1127
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:46,200
- You're exaggerating.
- I am?
1128
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:49,000
You pay me
to go get guys like Wigand,
1129
01:46:49,100 --> 01:46:53,000
to draw him out, to get him to trust
us, to get him to go on television.
1130
01:46:53,100 --> 01:46:56,000
I do. I deliver him.
He sits. He talks.
1131
01:46:56,100 --> 01:46:59,500
He violates his own fucking
confidentiality agreement.
1132
01:46:59,500 --> 01:47:03,600
And he's only the key witness in the
biggest public health reform issue,
1133
01:47:03,700 --> 01:47:05,800
maybe the biggest,
most expensive...
1134
01:47:05,700 --> 01:47:08,700
corporate malfeasance case
in U.S. History.
1135
01:47:08,700 --> 01:47:11,100
And Jeffrey Wigand,
who's out on a limb,
1136
01:47:11,100 --> 01:47:13,500
does he go on television
and tell the truth?
1137
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:15,900
Yes.
Is it newsworthy?
1138
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:18,700
Yes.
Are we gonna air it?
1139
01:47:18,700 --> 01:47:20,700
Of course not. Why?
1140
01:47:20,900 --> 01:47:23,200
Because he's not
telling the truth? No.
1141
01:47:23,300 --> 01:47:27,100
Because he is telling the truth.That's why we're not gonna air it.
1142
01:47:27,100 --> 01:47:29,400
And the more truth he tells,
the worse it gets.
1143
01:47:29,400 --> 01:47:33,400
You are a fanatic,an anarchist. You know that?
1144
01:47:33,500 --> 01:47:37,100
If we can't have a whole show, then
I want half a show rather than no show.
1145
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:40,800
But, oh, no. Not you. You
won't be satisfied unless you're
putting the company at risk!
1146
01:47:40,900 --> 01:47:44,100
What are you? Are you a businessman
or are you a newsman?
1147
01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:46,500
Because that happens to be
what Mike and I...
1148
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:49,200
and some other people
around here do for a living.
1149
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:53,000
- Lowell...
- Put the corporation at risk?
Give me a fucking break!
1150
01:47:53,100 --> 01:47:55,200
These people are
putting our whole reason...
1151
01:47:55,300 --> 01:47:58,000
- for doing what we do on the line!
- Lowell!
1152
01:47:58,100 --> 01:48:00,100
What?
1153
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:02,400
I'm with Don
on this.
1154
01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:26,800
What's wrong?
1155
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:29,400
They're killing
the Wigand interview.
1156
01:48:29,500 --> 01:48:33,800
- What?
- They're pretending it's process.
That's bullshit. It's foregone.
1157
01:48:37,100 --> 01:48:39,000
What are you and Mike
gonna do?
1158
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:44,400
I'm alone on this.
1159
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:47,900
- Oh, baby.
- Yeah.
1160
01:49:17,100 --> 01:49:19,100
It's Jeffrey Wigand.
1161
01:49:28,900 --> 01:49:32,400
Jeffrey.
How are you?
1162
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:34,500
How's the family?
Okay?
1163
01:49:34,600 --> 01:49:37,600
- There is... There is no family.
- What do you mean, "there is no family"?
1164
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:39,900
Uh, Liane has filed for divorce.
1165
01:49:40,100 --> 01:49:43,400
And, so,
I've moved out.
1166
01:49:43,500 --> 01:49:46,100
I see the girls
a couple of days a week.
1167
01:49:46,100 --> 01:49:51,500
- Where are you staying now?
- Our favorite hotel, honey.
1168
01:49:51,500 --> 01:49:55,600
I checked into room 930.
1169
01:49:55,700 --> 01:49:57,700
Odd choice, huh?
1170
01:50:01,400 --> 01:50:03,600
I don't know how
to say this,
1171
01:50:03,700 --> 01:50:06,000
Jeff, except to just
say it right out.
1172
01:50:06,100 --> 01:50:10,300
So, uh, I'll say it.
They do not want to air it.
1173
01:50:12,300 --> 01:50:17,500
- What?
- B&W may have threatened litigation.
1174
01:50:17,500 --> 01:50:20,100
CBS is on the block.
1175
01:50:20,200 --> 01:50:23,300
- But you, I mean... I know how you...
- No.
1176
01:50:24,300 --> 01:50:26,400
No, what?
1177
01:50:26,500 --> 01:50:31,300
I do not think that you know for me
what it is to walk in my shoes.
1178
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:36,100
For my kids
to have seen it,
1179
01:50:36,300 --> 01:50:39,200
for them to know why I've
put them through what I did.
1180
01:50:39,200 --> 01:50:42,800
The public airing of that,
the testament to why I did what I did.
1181
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:45,800
You're telling me it's not
gonna see the light of day?
1182
01:50:45,900 --> 01:50:48,600
Jeff.
1183
01:51:31,300 --> 01:51:33,200
Mrs. Wigand?
1184
01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:38,200
It hasn't been Mrs. Wigand
for some time.
1185
01:51:38,300 --> 01:51:43,000
I'm an investigator, and I was
wondering if I could ask you a
couple of questions about that.
1186
01:51:44,700 --> 01:51:46,700
All right.
1187
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:53,300
Um, seven months
after we were married,
1188
01:51:53,300 --> 01:51:55,700
we found out that I had
multiple sclerosis.
1189
01:51:55,700 --> 01:51:57,600
And you had a daughter, Diane...
1190
01:51:57,900 --> 01:51:59,800
Tommy Sandefur told me himself.
1191
01:51:59,900 --> 01:52:04,400
He's not going to allow Brown& Williamson to be demonizedto the American public.
1192
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:07,400
So I told Pete Jennings.
And I... Hold on.
1193
01:52:07,500 --> 01:52:11,100
You had multiple sclerosis.
You had a small child to raise.
1194
01:52:11,100 --> 01:52:15,200
Uh, mention that part in the
executive summary and in the chapters.
1195
01:52:15,300 --> 01:52:17,700
First wife
and estrangement of daughter.
1196
01:52:17,700 --> 01:52:20,100
So I was telling Pete, I said,
"You've been taken in by this guy."
1197
01:52:20,200 --> 01:52:22,900
The divorce was something
that we both wanted.
1198
01:52:24,100 --> 01:52:26,700
He's a shoplifter.
1199
01:52:26,900 --> 01:52:29,300
He's a convicted
shoplifter.
1200
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:51,100
So, um, what are you
gonna do?
1201
01:52:51,200 --> 01:52:54,400
What do you think I'm gonna do?
Quit in protest?
1202
01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:56,700
I'm not gonna do that.
1203
01:52:56,800 --> 01:52:58,700
You're taking "no"
for an answer?
1204
01:52:58,900 --> 01:53:01,800
No, I'm not gonna take
"no" for an answer. No.
1205
01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:04,900
You're not?
What are you doing?
1206
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:08,500
I'm staying right here, doing my job.
Fighting to get my show on the air.
1207
01:53:08,600 --> 01:53:11,300
You don't like it?
Hey, I tell you what?
1208
01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:14,500
Fire my ass.
1209
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:18,200
End up in a high-profile lawsuit with
Lowell, the First Amendment martyr?
1210
01:53:21,500 --> 01:53:25,200
I don't think so.
Take a look at this.
1211
01:53:25,400 --> 01:53:28,200
This is a summary of a dossier
that's being prepared.
1212
01:53:28,300 --> 01:53:30,500
He wouldn't lie
about his whole life.
1213
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:33,300
Who's gonna believe him
about anything he says?
1214
01:53:33,400 --> 01:53:37,200
The Wall Street Journal is doinga major story, and, I think, the Post.
1215
01:53:38,300 --> 01:53:40,600
You backed the wrong horse.
1216
01:53:40,700 --> 01:53:45,000
The version without the interview
is gonna air the week after next.
1217
01:53:50,700 --> 01:53:53,700
What was that about?
1218
01:53:53,800 --> 01:53:55,800
- Get me Wigand.
- Sure.
1219
01:53:58,900 --> 01:54:02,600
What the fuck is this?
Fuck!
1220
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:05,000
You never told me
you were married before.
1221
01:54:05,100 --> 01:54:08,300
- That you had a daughter.
- How is that any of your business?
1222
01:54:08,300 --> 01:54:10,700
That is not something
that you people need to know.
1223
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:12,700
Oh, you know what we do
or do not need to know?
1224
01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:15,200
- Since when have you become
a media expert?
- What do you wanna do, Lowell?
1225
01:54:15,300 --> 01:54:17,600
- Look up my ass too?
- Oh, for God's sake.
1226
01:54:17,700 --> 01:54:20,400
- You're not even on this anymore.
What do you care?
- Jeff, wake the fuck up!
1227
01:54:20,500 --> 01:54:24,000
Everybody is on the line here.
If they catch you in a lie,
1228
01:54:24,100 --> 01:54:26,900
they can paint everything with
that brush, you understand?
1229
01:54:26,900 --> 01:54:29,400
- Everything you say.
- I told the truth.
1230
01:54:29,500 --> 01:54:33,000
Everything you say.
And I can't defend you, man,
1231
01:54:33,000 --> 01:54:35,000
with one hand tied
behind my back...
1232
01:54:35,100 --> 01:54:37,700
because you keep from me
what they can discover.
1233
01:54:37,800 --> 01:54:40,500
And they will discover
everything. Believe me.
1234
01:54:40,600 --> 01:54:42,700
I was young!
I was young!
1235
01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:45,800
Confused. We didn't
handle it the right way.
1236
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:48,800
- She sued you for back payments
of child support?
- She did not sue me.
1237
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:54,000
We had a dispute over money. I settled
it. She dropped the complaint.
1238
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:56,000
- Any other questions?
- Yes. Did you lie...
1239
01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:58,300
about being on the American
judo team in the Olympics?
1240
01:54:59,300 --> 01:55:01,400
- What?
- Some public relations guy...
1241
01:55:01,400 --> 01:55:03,500
got hold of a tape of an interview
where you're saying...
1242
01:55:03,700 --> 01:55:06,200
you were on the American
judo team in the Olympics.
1243
01:55:06,300 --> 01:55:09,400
What kind of shit is this?
I... I was...
1244
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:12,900
I was not on the team.
I sparred with the Olympic team.
1245
01:55:13,100 --> 01:55:16,100
- Okay?
- All right. ABC Telemarketing Company?
1246
01:55:16,100 --> 01:55:19,800
- ABC...
- ABC Telemarketing Company.
1247
01:55:19,900 --> 01:55:22,800
The can opener!
A 39.95 can opener!
1248
01:55:22,900 --> 01:55:25,600
I cancelled payment.
It was junk!
1249
01:55:25,600 --> 01:55:28,800
You ever bounce a check, Lowell?
You ever look at another woman's tits?
1250
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:31,100
You ever cheat a little
on your taxes?
1251
01:55:31,100 --> 01:55:34,700
Whose life, if you look at it under
a microscope, doesn't have any flaws?
1252
01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:37,300
Well, that's the whole point, Jeffrey.
That's the whole point.
1253
01:55:37,400 --> 01:55:41,200
Anyone's, everyone's.
They are gonna look under every rock,
1254
01:55:41,400 --> 01:55:45,200
dig up every flaw,
every mistake you've ever made.
1255
01:55:45,300 --> 01:55:49,200
They are going to distort and exaggerate
everything you've ever done, man.
1256
01:55:49,300 --> 01:55:52,000
- Don't you understand?
- What does this have to do
with my testimony?
1257
01:55:52,100 --> 01:55:54,200
- That's not the point...
- What does it have to do
with my testimony?
1258
01:55:54,200 --> 01:55:56,900
- I told the truth!
It's true and provable!
- It's not about...
1259
01:55:57,000 --> 01:56:00,400
That's not the fucking point,
whether you told the truth or not!
1260
01:56:01,900 --> 01:56:03,900
Hello?
1261
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:09,100
I told the truth.
1262
01:56:10,900 --> 01:56:12,900
I told the truth.
1263
01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:16,800
I gotta teach class. I gotta go.
1264
01:56:16,900 --> 01:56:20,600
- I gotta teach class.
- And I gotta refute every
fucking accusation made...
1265
01:56:20,600 --> 01:56:23,500
in this report before
the Wall Street Journal runs.
1266
01:56:27,300 --> 01:56:29,400
I am trying to protect you,
man.
1267
01:56:30,500 --> 01:56:32,400
I hope you improve
your batting average.
1268
01:56:51,900 --> 01:56:55,200
They're cutting the interest rate,and I have that great feature...
1269
01:57:01,600 --> 01:57:03,500
- Hello?
- It's Lowell.
1270
01:57:03,600 --> 01:57:08,200
Are you guys planning to do a piece on
a former top executive in Big Tobacco?
1271
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:11,200
- You caught me in a news meeting.
- Are you, are you not, Charlie?
1272
01:57:11,200 --> 01:57:13,200
You bet we are,
and I can't talk to you now.
1273
01:57:13,300 --> 01:57:16,300
- We gotta hook up.
- Sure. Where?
1274
01:57:16,200 --> 01:57:19,100
- P.J.'s.
- I'll be there.
1275
01:57:26,200 --> 01:57:28,800
Yeah, I got it.
Five hundred pages of it.
1276
01:57:28,900 --> 01:57:32,500
They looked in every corner
of this guy's life,
from the spousal abuse charge,
1277
01:57:32,700 --> 01:57:36,400
to shoplifting, to a traffic ticket
he got once for running a red light.
1278
01:57:36,500 --> 01:57:40,000
It's Terry Lenzner's outfit,
I.G.I. Jack, listen to me.
1279
01:57:40,100 --> 01:57:44,700
Their strategy: Discredit
this guy, ruin his reputation
in the Wall Street Journal...
1280
01:57:44,700 --> 01:57:48,100
and then nobody will ever listen
to what he's got to say about tobacco.
1281
01:57:48,100 --> 01:57:51,200
He's dead unless I can
get this thing knocked down.
1282
01:57:51,300 --> 01:57:53,700
Make it even
a little more attractive.
1283
01:57:53,800 --> 01:57:56,400
I don't know if you're
ever gonna get paid.
1284
01:57:56,500 --> 01:57:59,100
- Is there any truth to any of it?
- That's a good question.
1285
01:57:59,300 --> 01:58:01,700
"Is there any truth to any of it?"
I doubt it.
1286
01:58:01,700 --> 01:58:05,200
- What's the deadline?
- Soon.
1287
01:58:09,100 --> 01:58:12,000
- Fax me the summary.
- That's great, Jack.
1288
01:58:18,600 --> 01:58:22,200
- Hey. How are you? Hey, listen.
- Hey.
1289
01:58:22,200 --> 01:58:25,500
I hear you guys are sitting
on something sensational over there.
1290
01:58:25,600 --> 01:58:29,200
- Really? Hi, June.
- Oh, hi, baby.
1291
01:58:31,100 --> 01:58:33,200
- Catch you later.
- Okay. Take care.
1292
01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:36,900
- When's your deadline?
- Monday.
1293
01:58:37,000 --> 01:58:39,900
- Push it.
- What? Forget it.
1294
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:41,900
It's a smear campaign,
Charlie.
1295
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:43,900
- It's drawn from
a selectively circulated...
- Oh, yeah.
1296
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:47,000
Real selective. About as hard to get
ahold of as the Manhattan phone book.
1297
01:58:47,100 --> 01:58:50,900
Well, it's authoritive...
and overwhelmingly documented.
1298
01:58:51,000 --> 01:58:54,000
And it's bullshit. And if
I'm right, are you gonna put...
1299
01:58:53,900 --> 01:58:57,100
the Journal's reputation behind a story
that's gonna blow up in your face?
1300
01:58:57,400 --> 01:59:01,300
I'll take a look at what you got
but I'm not moving any deadlines
because you say so.
1301
01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:10,700
Are you all right?
1302
01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:14,900
Yeah.
1303
01:59:24,300 --> 01:59:26,700
Officer Muravchick?
1304
01:59:26,800 --> 01:59:29,800
Thank you.
1305
01:59:29,900 --> 01:59:32,300
Officer Muravchick,
how are you?
1306
01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:34,500
- I'm Sandra Sutherland.
- How do you do?
1307
01:59:34,500 --> 01:59:36,600
Fine, thank you.
I'm doing a background check.
1308
01:59:36,600 --> 01:59:38,500
Mind if I sit down?
1309
01:59:40,700 --> 01:59:44,500
Your Honor,
could I have a word with you?
1310
01:59:44,600 --> 01:59:48,300
You presided in a dispute
over support payments.
1311
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:51,700
Jeffrey Wigand?
Yeah, I cited him.
1312
01:59:51,900 --> 01:59:55,900
CBS is under criticism because
the CBS News program, 60 Minutes,
1313
01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:58,000
will not be presenting
an interview...
1314
01:59:57,900 --> 02:00:00,800
What the hell
are you doing?
1315
02:00:00,900 --> 02:00:02,900
What does it look like
I'm doing? I'm editing.
1316
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:05,900
No, no, no that. I'm talking
about the Associated Press.
1317
02:00:05,900 --> 02:00:10,500
They got the story that
we pulled this interview,
and they talked to Mike and I.
1318
02:00:10,600 --> 02:00:12,600
Did you tell them
that we were lying?
1319
02:00:12,700 --> 02:00:14,700
No!
I should have.
1320
02:00:14,700 --> 02:00:16,900
I told them I disagreed
with you, Mike and Kluster...
1321
02:00:16,900 --> 02:00:19,700
that this segment
is as good as the original.
1322
02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:22,100
I'm not lying for you.I'm not gonna shut up for you.
1323
02:00:22,100 --> 02:00:25,000
- Not on any of it.
- Hey, I'm not gonna fire you.
1324
02:00:25,000 --> 02:00:28,100
Okay? Take a vacation. Now!
1325
02:00:31,700 --> 02:00:35,400
Lowell? Look, I've decidedto preface Sunday's show.
1326
02:00:35,400 --> 02:00:38,200
I did three minutes on the
Evening News. You'll want to see it.
1327
02:00:38,300 --> 02:00:41,300
- Where are you going?
- I've been banished...
1328
02:00:41,400 --> 02:00:44,600
in lieu of being fired.
1329
02:00:44,700 --> 02:00:47,700
I took off on Tisch.I took off on Corporate.
1330
02:00:47,900 --> 02:00:50,500
They'll know they're not, uh, going
to see everything on Sunday night.
1331
02:00:51,700 --> 02:00:54,900
I don't know. How does that
get Wigand on the air?
1332
02:00:55,100 --> 02:00:57,200
Do me a favor,
will you? Spare me.
1333
02:00:57,200 --> 02:00:59,700
For God's sake, get in the
real world. What do you think?
1334
02:00:59,700 --> 02:01:03,300
I'm going to resign in protest
to force it on the air?
1335
02:01:03,400 --> 02:01:06,300
The answer's no. I don't plan
to spend the end of my days...
1336
02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:09,400
wandering in the wilderness
of National Public Radio.
1337
02:01:09,500 --> 02:01:11,400
That decision
I've already made.
1338
02:01:13,300 --> 02:01:15,700
This Sunday,Wallace will broadcast a report...
1339
02:01:15,900 --> 02:01:20,100
on the tobacco industry,including the tough tacticstobacco companies employ...
1340
02:01:20,200 --> 02:01:23,000
to keep a lid on information
that might be damaging.
1341
02:01:23,100 --> 02:01:25,900
Is there information
that people should have...
1342
02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:30,300
that they're not going to have
because you're not going to
broadcast this interview?
1343
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:34,400
- Yes.
- Today, CBS News president
Eric Kluster...
1344
02:01:34,500 --> 02:01:37,300
defended the network's decisionnot to broadcast...
1345
02:01:37,200 --> 02:01:40,200
key portionsof the controversial interview.
1346
02:01:40,400 --> 02:01:43,200
Mr. Kluster said, quote,"The atmosphere is tougher than ever."
1347
02:01:43,400 --> 02:01:45,900
- Where's the rest?
- Dan.
1348
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:47,900
Where the hell's the rest?
1349
02:01:47,900 --> 02:01:50,900
- Nebraska footballfans voiced their criticism...
- You cut it!
1350
02:01:51,000 --> 02:01:53,900
Coming up inBernard Goldberg's America.
1351
02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:57,000
- You cut the guts out of what I said!
- It was a time consideration...
1352
02:01:57,000 --> 02:01:59,800
Time? Bullshit!
You corporate lackey.
1353
02:01:59,900 --> 02:02:03,700
Who told you your incompetent
little fingers have the
requisite skills to edit me?
1354
02:02:03,800 --> 02:02:06,500
I'm trying to Band-Aid a situation
here, and you're too dim...
1355
02:02:06,500 --> 02:02:08,900
Mike. Mike. Mike.
1356
02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:13,100
"Mike"? Mike!
1357
02:02:13,100 --> 02:02:14,900
Try "Mr. Wallace."
1358
02:02:14,900 --> 02:02:18,800
We work in the same corporation. Doesn't
mean we work in the same profession.
1359
02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:21,400
Now, now what are you going to do now?
You going to finesse me?
1360
02:02:21,500 --> 02:02:25,800
Lawyer me some more? I've been
in this profession 50 fucking years!
1361
02:02:26,000 --> 02:02:28,900
You and the people you work for
are destroying the most respected,
1362
02:02:28,900 --> 02:02:31,800
the highest rated, the most
profitable show on this network.
1363
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:51,300
Here. These are
their leads, their sources.
1364
02:02:51,300 --> 02:02:54,500
- I want you to have your reporters...
- Suein Hwang and Milo Geyelin.
1365
02:02:54,600 --> 02:02:56,800
Have them make
their own calls.
1366
02:02:56,900 --> 02:03:01,700
They'll find that these sources
have a different story than
the one that's in the dossier.
1367
02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:04,800
Push the deadline,
Charlie.
1368
02:03:10,100 --> 02:03:14,400
I'll push it for a week.
I want Milo and Suein to go through it.
1369
02:03:28,700 --> 02:03:30,700
What do you want
to buy him for a gift?
1370
02:03:30,800 --> 02:03:34,600
Mmm, he's intokind of little cars that, um...
1371
02:03:34,700 --> 02:03:36,900
- That remote control thing?
- Yeah.
1372
02:03:37,000 --> 02:03:39,300
All right.
We'll go do that tomorrow.
1373
02:03:39,300 --> 02:03:43,700
The 63-36 vote was threeshy of the two-thirds needed to pass...
1374
02:03:43,900 --> 02:03:46,300
- Mom. There's Dad.
- Yes?
1375
02:03:46,400 --> 02:03:49,800
- On the TV.- ... dating back to 1986.
1376
02:03:49,700 --> 02:03:51,900
The most recent trouble
for Wigand occurred here...
1377
02:03:52,000 --> 02:03:54,100
And in local news,
WLKO, Louisville,
1378
02:03:54,100 --> 02:03:56,700
has gained access
to a 500-page dossier...
1379
02:03:56,700 --> 02:03:59,600
on former Brown & Williamsonresearch head, Jeffrey Wigand,
1380
02:03:59,800 --> 02:04:03,700
detailing charges of shopliftingand failing to pay child support.
1381
02:04:03,800 --> 02:04:05,700
Wigand is currently teaching
chemistry and Japanese...
1382
02:04:05,900 --> 02:04:07,900
at theDuPont Manual High School.
1383
02:04:07,900 --> 02:04:09,900
Maria.
1384
02:04:31,400 --> 02:04:33,700
Thousands of documentsfrom inside the tobacco industry...
1385
02:04:33,700 --> 02:04:35,800
have surfacedover the past year.
1386
02:04:35,900 --> 02:04:37,900
Documents thatappear to confirm...
1387
02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:40,000
what a former
U.S. Surgeon general...
1388
02:04:40,100 --> 02:04:44,000
and the current head of the Food and
Drug Administration have been saying.
1389
02:04:44,000 --> 02:04:46,600
We learned of a tobacco insider
who could tell us...
1390
02:04:46,700 --> 02:04:50,700
whether or not the tobacco industryhas been leveling with the public.
1391
02:04:50,700 --> 02:04:52,700
That insider was formerly...
1392
02:04:52,600 --> 02:04:55,600
a highly-placed executivewith a tobacco company.
1393
02:04:55,600 --> 02:04:59,500
But we cannot broadcast what criticalinformation about tobacco,
1394
02:04:59,700 --> 02:05:03,000
addiction and public healthhe might be able to offer.
1395
02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:06,800
Why? Because he had to signa confidentiality agreement...
1396
02:05:07,000 --> 02:05:09,400
with the tobacco companyhe worked for.
1397
02:05:09,300 --> 02:05:12,500
The management of CBShas told us...
1398
02:05:12,600 --> 02:05:14,700
that knowinghe had that agreement...
1399
02:05:14,800 --> 02:05:17,200
if we were to broadcastan interview with him,
1400
02:05:17,200 --> 02:05:21,100
CBS could be faced witha multi-billion dollar lawsuit.
1401
02:05:21,300 --> 02:05:25,000
The fact is, we are not allowedeven to mention his name...
1402
02:05:25,000 --> 02:05:27,800
or the name of the company
he worked for.
1403
02:05:27,800 --> 02:05:32,200
And, of course, we cannot
show you his face.
1404
02:05:32,200 --> 02:05:35,300
And your confidentiality
agreement with...
1405
02:05:35,400 --> 02:05:38,000
- Is still in force?
- Yes, it is.
1406
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:41,200
So what are they gonna do?Sue you for making this appearance?
1407
02:05:41,200 --> 02:05:43,600
I would bet on it.
1408
02:05:43,700 --> 02:05:46,700
The former executivehas reason to bet on being sued,
1409
02:05:46,700 --> 02:05:49,600
for major cigarette
manufacturers...
1410
02:06:08,700 --> 02:06:11,700
Yeah.
1411
02:06:11,800 --> 02:06:14,200
You disappeared on me.
1412
02:06:14,300 --> 02:06:17,600
- How long you staying?
- I disappeared on you?
1413
02:06:17,700 --> 02:06:20,400
All right.
What did you think?
1414
02:06:21,500 --> 02:06:23,800
I think it was
a disgrace.
1415
02:06:47,400 --> 02:06:51,200
- Still no answer.
- Get me the manager's office.
1416
02:06:52,400 --> 02:06:54,600
David. David, you've got
a call on line four.
1417
02:06:54,700 --> 02:06:57,800
I think you
better take it.
1418
02:06:57,800 --> 02:06:59,700
This is David McDougal.
How can I help you?
1419
02:06:59,800 --> 02:07:03,700
Mr. McDougal, my name is Lowell Bergman.
I'm a producer for 60 Minutes.
1420
02:07:03,800 --> 02:07:09,100
I'm concerned for a friend of mine
who's staying at your hotel right now.
1421
02:07:15,900 --> 02:07:18,000
Mr. Wigand?
1422
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:19,900
Mr. Wigand?
1423
02:07:25,600 --> 02:07:28,700
I-I think I need to call the police.
He won't respond.
1424
02:07:28,900 --> 02:07:31,600
No, no, don't call the police. Just
tell him I'm on the phone with you.
1425
02:07:31,600 --> 02:07:34,100
My name is Lowell Bergman.
Just tell him that.
1426
02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:38,600
Mr. Wigand, Mr. Bergman
is on the telephone.
1427
02:07:38,700 --> 02:07:41,200
Did he hear you?
1428
02:07:41,200 --> 02:07:43,500
You're breaking up. I can't hear you.
1429
02:07:43,700 --> 02:07:46,300
What about now?
1430
02:07:46,400 --> 02:07:48,900
- What?
- Hello? Can you hear me now?
1431
02:08:56,600 --> 02:09:00,500
- What's happening?
- He doesn't seem to be listening.
1432
02:09:00,600 --> 02:09:04,500
All right. Now listen to me.
I want you... I want you to tell him...
1433
02:09:04,500 --> 02:09:06,900
in these words:
Get on the fucking phone.
1434
02:09:07,100 --> 02:09:09,300
I-I can't say that.
1435
02:09:09,400 --> 02:09:11,900
No, you can. Tell him
to get on the fucking phone!
1436
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:15,100
He told me to tell you
to get on the... fucking phone!
1437
02:09:21,100 --> 02:09:24,000
You manipulated me into this.
1438
02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:26,200
- That's bullshit, Jeff.
- You greased the rails.
1439
02:09:26,300 --> 02:09:30,400
I greased the rails for a guy who wanted
to say "yes." I helped him to say "yes."
1440
02:09:30,600 --> 02:09:33,200
That's all.
You're not a robot, Jeff.
1441
02:09:33,300 --> 02:09:36,200
- All right? You got a mind
of your own, don't you?
- " Up to you, Jeffrey.
1442
02:09:36,300 --> 02:09:38,500
"That's the power you have,
Jeffrey.
1443
02:09:38,600 --> 02:09:41,100
Vital inside information
the American public need to know."
1444
02:09:41,100 --> 02:09:44,600
Lowell Bergman... the hotshot who never
met a source he couldn't turn around.
1445
02:09:44,700 --> 02:09:46,900
I fought for you,
and I still fight for you!
1446
02:09:46,900 --> 02:09:49,600
You fought for me?
You manipulated me...
1447
02:09:49,700 --> 02:09:52,700
into where I am now... staring
at the Brown & Williamson building!
1448
02:09:52,800 --> 02:09:56,000
It's all dark except the tenth floor.
That's the legal department.
1449
02:09:56,000 --> 02:09:59,800
That's where they
fuck with my life.
1450
02:10:03,000 --> 02:10:05,000
Jeffrey, where you going
with this?
1451
02:10:06,600 --> 02:10:09,400
So, where you going?
1452
02:10:13,700 --> 02:10:16,500
You are... important...
1453
02:10:16,600 --> 02:10:19,500
to a lot of people,
Jeffrey.
1454
02:10:19,500 --> 02:10:21,600
You think about that.
1455
02:10:22,600 --> 02:10:24,500
You think about them.
1456
02:10:37,700 --> 02:10:40,100
I'm running out
of heroes, man.
1457
02:10:41,200 --> 02:10:43,300
Guys like you
are in short supply.
1458
02:10:49,400 --> 02:10:51,300
Yeah, guys like you too.
1459
02:10:56,200 --> 02:10:58,300
Where are you, anyway?
1460
02:10:58,400 --> 02:11:03,000
I'm on a leave of absence.
Forced vacation.
1461
02:11:05,000 --> 02:11:08,200
- You try and have a good time.
- Yeah.
1462
02:11:08,300 --> 02:11:10,600
Yeah, I will.
1463
02:11:24,700 --> 02:11:27,700
I'm Lowell Bergman. I'm from 60 Minutes.
You know, you take the 60 Minutes...
1464
02:11:28,000 --> 02:11:30,500
out of that sentence,
nobody returns your phone calls.
1465
02:11:31,700 --> 02:11:35,500
Maybe Wigand's right.Maybe I'm hooked.
1466
02:11:36,800 --> 02:11:38,800
What am I hooked on?
1467
02:11:38,800 --> 02:11:41,100
The rush of 60 Minutes?
1468
02:11:41,200 --> 02:11:45,000
What the hell for?"Infotainment"!
1469
02:11:45,000 --> 02:11:47,300
It's so fucking useless,
all of it.
1470
02:11:47,400 --> 02:11:51,100
So it's a big country with a free press.
You can go and work somewhere else.
1471
02:11:51,100 --> 02:11:53,200
"Free press"?
The press is free.
1472
02:11:53,400 --> 02:11:57,000
For anyone who owns one.
Larry Tisch has a free press.
1473
02:11:57,200 --> 02:11:59,400
- Get some perspective, Lowell.
- I got perspective.
1474
02:11:59,400 --> 02:12:01,300
No, you do not.
1475
02:12:02,800 --> 02:12:05,300
From my perspective,
1476
02:12:05,400 --> 02:12:09,300
what's been going on and what
I've been doing is ridiculous.
1477
02:12:09,300 --> 02:12:11,700
- It's half-measures.
- You're not listening.
1478
02:12:18,000 --> 02:12:21,000
Really know what you're
going to do before you do it.
1479
02:13:02,700 --> 02:13:04,800
I've got Richard Scruggs on the phone.
1480
02:13:04,900 --> 02:13:07,800
Patch him through.
1481
02:13:07,900 --> 02:13:10,700
Well, Lowell, you are
not gonna believe this.
1482
02:13:10,700 --> 02:13:15,000
The governor of Mississippi
is suing his own attorney general...
1483
02:13:15,100 --> 02:13:18,700
to abandon litigation
against Big Tobacco.
1484
02:13:18,800 --> 02:13:22,700
- Oh, good.
- But now that the version
without Jeff ran,
1485
02:13:22,700 --> 02:13:26,100
what's the chance of getting
his interview on the air?
1486
02:13:28,500 --> 02:13:30,600
- Hello?
- Yeah, I'm here.
1487
02:13:30,600 --> 02:13:33,000
What chance is there of getting
Jeff's interview on the air?
1488
02:13:33,100 --> 02:13:35,000
Less than great.
1489
02:13:39,800 --> 02:13:42,100
I'd be lying to you
if I did not tell you...
1490
02:13:42,100 --> 02:13:45,500
how important it was
in the court of public opinion.
1491
02:13:45,600 --> 02:13:48,300
I'd be lying to you
if I didn't tell you...
1492
02:13:48,300 --> 02:13:52,100
I'm about out of moves,
Dick.
1493
02:13:54,300 --> 02:13:56,300
All right.
See ya.
1494
02:14:18,500 --> 02:14:21,100
Hi.
1495
02:14:22,800 --> 02:14:27,200
So, what are you folks
doing... here in Lincoln?
1496
02:14:28,300 --> 02:14:32,300
- Geology survey.
- Geology?
1497
02:14:32,200 --> 02:14:35,300
Yeah?
Really?
1498
02:14:35,400 --> 02:14:37,400
How about you?
1499
02:14:38,800 --> 02:14:41,300
I work for CBS News.
1500
02:14:41,500 --> 02:14:44,000
Oh, yeah?
1501
02:15:11,300 --> 02:15:13,800
Just ran into
two of your geologists.
1502
02:15:13,900 --> 02:15:16,400
Geologists whose hands
aren't all chewed up.
1503
02:15:16,500 --> 02:15:20,500
Lowell, do not...
screw this up.
1504
02:15:20,500 --> 02:15:22,900
We are a week away
from an arrest.
1505
02:15:23,000 --> 02:15:27,300
- So I'll hold it. And?
- We'll give you a heads-up
before we launch.
1506
02:15:27,500 --> 02:15:30,000
- How long?
- Three hours.
1507
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:32,000
You got a deal.
1508
02:15:47,300 --> 02:15:50,900
... like the testimony before Congressof Dr. Wigand's former boss,
1509
02:15:51,000 --> 02:15:54,800
Brown & Williamson's chiefexecutive officer, Thomas Sandefur.
1510
02:15:54,800 --> 02:15:57,000
I believe that nicotine
is not addictive.
1511
02:15:57,200 --> 02:15:59,700
I believe Mr. Sandefur
perjured himself...
1512
02:15:59,600 --> 02:16:03,300
- because I watched those
testimonies very carefully.
- All of us did.
1513
02:16:03,500 --> 02:16:05,700
There was this
whole line of people,
1514
02:16:05,800 --> 02:16:08,300
whole line of C.E.O.'s
up there all swearing.
1515
02:16:08,400 --> 02:16:11,500
Part of the reason I'm here
is that I felt...
1516
02:16:11,500 --> 02:16:13,700
that their representation...
1517
02:16:43,200 --> 02:16:45,100
...can be more rapidly absorbed
in the lung...
1518
02:16:45,200 --> 02:16:47,300
and therefore affect the brain
and central nervous system.
1519
02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:13,900
- Hello?
- Jim, it's Lowell.
1520
02:17:14,000 --> 02:17:17,700
- Hey, where are you?
- Remember that night at P.J.'s?
1521
02:17:17,800 --> 02:17:21,300
You asked me if we were
sitting on something explosive.
Well, we're not sitting on it.
1522
02:17:21,400 --> 02:17:25,100
CBS Corporate leaned on CBS News,
which yanked an interview we did...
1523
02:17:25,100 --> 02:17:29,000
with a top-ranking tobacco scientist,
corporate officer.
1524
02:17:29,200 --> 02:17:31,300
They're trying to
close down the story.
1525
02:17:31,400 --> 02:17:34,600
You mean, 60 Minutes
is letting CBS Corporate...
1526
02:17:34,700 --> 02:17:37,100
decide what is
or is not news?
1527
02:17:37,100 --> 02:17:39,800
What's Wallace think
about this? Or Hewitt, or...
1528
02:17:39,800 --> 02:17:42,000
How prominent?
What kind of placement?
1529
02:17:42,000 --> 02:17:45,500
Oh, come on, Lowell. This is
The New York Times. I don't know.
1530
02:17:45,600 --> 02:17:49,800
Well, until you do, all I can
tell you is what you already know.
1531
02:17:49,700 --> 02:17:51,700
They will not
air an interview.
1532
02:17:51,900 --> 02:17:54,300
Call me back in ten.
1533
02:18:02,100 --> 02:18:04,400
- Hello?
- Debbie, it's me.
1534
02:18:04,500 --> 02:18:06,900
Hi.
What time is it?
1535
02:18:07,000 --> 02:18:11,000
- Oh, it's late.
- That I know. When are you coming back?
1536
02:18:11,100 --> 02:18:13,900
I can't get out of here till
mid-morning. I'll be in tomorrow night.
1537
02:18:13,900 --> 02:18:17,600
Listen, could you call a number
for me? It's in Mississippi.
1538
02:18:17,700 --> 02:18:19,600
Okay.
Hold on a second.
1539
02:18:22,000 --> 02:18:24,000
What is it?
1540
02:18:29,900 --> 02:18:31,800
- Hello?
- It's Lowell.
1541
02:18:31,900 --> 02:18:35,900
All right, Lowell. Page one.
Editorial's interested. Let's talk.
1542
02:18:36,000 --> 02:18:40,400
Here's how it works. You ask me
questions. I tell you if you're wrong.
1543
02:18:40,400 --> 02:18:44,700
- Lowell, you sure you want to do this?
- Why?
1544
02:18:44,800 --> 02:18:48,300
Hey, it doesn't work,
you've burned your bridges, man.
1545
02:18:48,300 --> 02:18:50,500
You ready?
1546
02:18:50,700 --> 02:18:53,300
Okay.
About this whistle-blower,
1547
02:18:53,300 --> 02:18:56,000
did Mike and Don go along
with the corporate decision?
1548
02:18:58,100 --> 02:19:02,900
- Lowell?
- Did I tell you you were wrong?
1549
02:19:02,900 --> 02:19:06,900
No. Um, I'm assuming
the cave-in begins...
1550
02:19:07,100 --> 02:19:09,500
with the threat of litigation
from Big Tobacco.
1551
02:19:09,500 --> 02:19:12,000
Are we talking, uh...
1552
02:19:12,100 --> 02:19:15,000
Are we talking
Brown & Williamson here?
1553
02:19:47,800 --> 02:19:49,900
Did I get you up?
1554
02:19:49,900 --> 02:19:54,000
No, I usually sit around
my hotel room dressed like this
at 5:30 in the morning,
1555
02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:56,000
sleepy look on my face.
1556
02:19:58,000 --> 02:20:00,000
How many shows have
we done? Huh?
1557
02:20:00,100 --> 02:20:02,200
- Come on. How many?
- Oh, lots.
1558
02:20:02,100 --> 02:20:04,100
That's right.
1559
02:20:06,100 --> 02:20:08,600
But in all that time,
Mike,
1560
02:20:08,700 --> 02:20:11,500
did you ever get off a plane,
walk into a room...
1561
02:20:11,400 --> 02:20:16,600
and find that a source
for a story changed his mind?
1562
02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:19,100
Lost his heart?
Walked out on us?
1563
02:20:19,200 --> 02:20:21,900
Not one fucking time.
You wanna know why?
1564
02:20:22,000 --> 02:20:24,500
I see a rhetorical question
on the horizon.
1565
02:20:24,600 --> 02:20:26,500
I'm gonna tell you why.
1566
02:20:26,600 --> 02:20:30,000
Because when I tell someone
I'm gonna do something, I deliver.
1567
02:20:30,100 --> 02:20:34,200
Oh, how fortunate I am to have
Lowell Bergman's moral tutelage...
1568
02:20:34,200 --> 02:20:36,900
- to point me down the shining
path, to show me the way.
- Oh, please, Mike.
1569
02:20:37,100 --> 02:20:39,400
- Give me a break.
- You give me a break.
1570
02:20:39,300 --> 02:20:42,500
I never left a source
hung out to dry ever.
1571
02:20:42,700 --> 02:20:45,600
Abandoned.
Not till right fucking now.
1572
02:20:45,600 --> 02:20:49,300
When I came on this job,
I came with my word intact.
1573
02:20:49,400 --> 02:20:53,400
I'm gonna leave with my word intact.
Fuck the rules of the game!
1574
02:20:53,500 --> 02:20:55,400
Hell, you're supposed
to know me, Mike.
1575
02:20:55,400 --> 02:20:57,500
What the hell
did you expect?
1576
02:20:57,600 --> 02:21:00,300
You expect me to lie down?
1577
02:21:00,300 --> 02:21:03,300
Back off?
Or get over it?
1578
02:21:03,300 --> 02:21:07,500
In the real world, when you get to where
I am, there are other considerations.
1579
02:21:07,600 --> 02:21:10,800
Like what?
Corporate responsibility?
1580
02:21:11,000 --> 02:21:13,200
- What, are we talking celebrity here?
- I'm not...
1581
02:21:13,300 --> 02:21:17,200
I'm not talking about
celebrity, vanity, CBS. I'm...
1582
02:21:17,200 --> 02:21:19,100
I'm...
I'm talking about...
1583
02:21:19,300 --> 02:21:23,400
when you're nearer the end
of your life than the beginning.
1584
02:21:23,500 --> 02:21:27,300
And what do you think
you think about then? The future?
1585
02:21:27,200 --> 02:21:29,900
"In the future, I'm gonna
do this, become that"?
1586
02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:32,200
What future? No.
1587
02:21:32,200 --> 02:21:35,100
What you think is...
1588
02:21:35,200 --> 02:21:37,700
"How will I be regarded
in the end...
1589
02:21:37,900 --> 02:21:41,500
after I'm gone?"
1590
02:21:41,700 --> 02:21:45,600
Oh, along the way, I suppose
I made some minor impact.
1591
02:21:45,600 --> 02:21:49,700
I did Irangate,
the Ayatollah, Malcolm X,
1592
02:21:49,700 --> 02:21:52,500
Martin Luther King,
Saddam, Sadat, etc., etc.
1593
02:21:52,600 --> 02:21:57,300
I showed them thieves in suits.
I spent a lifetime building...
1594
02:21:57,300 --> 02:21:59,200
all that.
1595
02:22:00,900 --> 02:22:06,200
But history only remembers most
what you did last.
1596
02:22:06,300 --> 02:22:09,400
And should that be
fronting a segment...
1597
02:22:09,500 --> 02:22:13,300
that allowed a tobacco giant
to crash this network...
1598
02:22:19,500 --> 02:22:22,000
Does it give someone...
1599
02:22:22,100 --> 02:22:27,400
at my time of life pause?
1600
02:22:27,500 --> 02:22:29,400
Yeah.
1601
02:22:36,300 --> 02:22:38,300
Mike,
1602
02:22:40,000 --> 02:22:42,000
in my...
1603
02:22:44,100 --> 02:22:47,300
You and I
have been doing this...
1604
02:22:47,300 --> 02:22:51,200
together for 14 years.
1605
02:22:52,700 --> 02:22:55,700
This is today's
New York Times.
1606
02:22:55,700 --> 02:22:57,900
In it is the whole
sordid story...
1607
02:22:58,000 --> 02:23:01,600
of what went on
inside our shop.
1608
02:23:01,800 --> 02:23:06,300
And in the editorial,
it accuses us...
1609
02:23:06,400 --> 02:23:09,300
of betraying the legacy
of Edward R. Murrow.
1610
02:23:34,600 --> 02:23:37,300
They conclude most of it
seems pretty unsubstantiated.
1611
02:23:46,400 --> 02:23:48,300
You're full of shit,
John.
1612
02:23:59,100 --> 02:24:01,000
Yeah.
1613
02:24:01,100 --> 02:24:03,800
Front page. There's a picture of Wigand.
1614
02:24:03,900 --> 02:24:05,800
Article's entitled,"Getting Personal."
1615
02:24:05,800 --> 02:24:07,800
Byline to Suein Hwang
and Milo Geyelin.
1616
02:24:08,000 --> 02:24:10,400
Wait. Hold on
a second, Lowell.
1617
02:24:10,500 --> 02:24:12,300
Yeah.
1618
02:24:16,700 --> 02:24:19,400
Yeah, I'll see
if I can find him.
1619
02:24:19,400 --> 02:24:22,600
Yeah, hold on.
Don's looking for you.
1620
02:24:22,700 --> 02:24:26,100
- Good.
- The subheading
is " Brown & Williamson...
1621
02:24:26,200 --> 02:24:29,400
has a 500-page dossier
attacking chief critic."
1622
02:24:29,500 --> 02:24:31,900
It quotes Richard Scruggs
calling it the worst kind...
1623
02:24:31,900 --> 02:24:35,200
of an organized smear campaign
against a whistle-blower.
1624
02:24:35,200 --> 02:24:38,700
"A close look at the file
and independent research
by this newspaper...
1625
02:24:38,900 --> 02:24:42,200
"into its key claim indicates
that many of the serious allegations...
1626
02:24:42,300 --> 02:24:47,600
against Mr. Wigand are backed by
scant or contradictory evidence."
1627
02:25:06,900 --> 02:25:09,600
This news division has been vilified...
1628
02:25:09,600 --> 02:25:12,500
in The New York Times,
in print, on television...
1629
02:25:12,500 --> 02:25:14,500
for caving
to corporate interests!
1630
02:25:14,600 --> 02:25:18,500
The New York Times ran a
blow-by-blow of what we talked
about behind closed doors.
1631
02:25:18,800 --> 02:25:21,500
- You fucked us!
- No! You fucked you!
1632
02:25:21,600 --> 02:25:23,600
Don't invert stuff.
1633
02:25:23,600 --> 02:25:26,400
Big Tobacco tried to smear Wigand.
You bought it.
1634
02:25:26,400 --> 02:25:29,300
The Wall Street Journal...
here... not exactly...
1635
02:25:29,500 --> 02:25:32,200
a bastion of
anti-capitalist sentiment,
1636
02:25:32,200 --> 02:25:34,800
refutes Big Tobacco's
smear campaign...
1637
02:25:34,900 --> 02:25:38,300
as the lowest form
of character assassination.
1638
02:25:38,400 --> 02:25:40,300
And now, even now,
when every word...
1639
02:25:40,400 --> 02:25:43,400
of what Wigand has said
on our show is printed,
1640
02:25:43,500 --> 02:25:47,100
the entire deposition
of his testimony in a court of law...
1641
02:25:47,200 --> 02:25:49,300
in the state of Mississippi,
the cat...
1642
02:25:49,400 --> 02:25:52,100
totally out of the bag,
1643
02:25:52,200 --> 02:25:54,200
you're still
standing here debating.
1644
02:25:54,300 --> 02:25:58,700
Don, what the hell elsedo you need?
1645
02:25:58,600 --> 02:26:01,000
Mike, you tell him.
1646
02:26:01,100 --> 02:26:03,100
You fucked up, Don.
1647
02:26:10,400 --> 02:26:13,400
It's old news. Stick with me,
like always. We'll be okay.
1648
02:26:13,500 --> 02:26:16,600
These things have
a half-life of 15 minutes.
1649
02:26:16,700 --> 02:26:20,700
No, that's fame.
Fame has a 15-minute half-life.
1650
02:26:20,800 --> 02:26:22,800
Infamy lasts
a little longer.
1651
02:26:22,800 --> 02:26:28,000
We caved. It's foolish.It's simply dead wrong.
1652
02:26:28,000 --> 02:26:31,900
Now this is what we're going to do.
We're going over to Black Rock...
1653
02:26:35,700 --> 02:26:40,100
Okay? So let's get back to work.
Now what we saw there...
1654
02:26:40,200 --> 02:26:42,800
was two potassium chlorate...
1655
02:26:43,000 --> 02:26:48,100
would yield two potassium
chloride, also a solid...
1656
02:26:58,200 --> 02:27:02,500
They cancelled the 6:00.
I don't know why. I...
1657
02:27:02,500 --> 02:27:06,200
I'm on the 8:10.
I should be home... 9:30.
1658
02:27:06,400 --> 02:27:08,900
I'll see you then.
I love you. Bye.
1659
02:27:23,100 --> 02:27:25,100
- Oh. Thanks, Dad.
- Thanks.
1660
02:27:37,700 --> 02:27:39,700
CBS management wouldn't
let us broadcast...
1661
02:27:39,800 --> 02:27:43,300
our original story and our
interview with Jeffrey Wigand...
1662
02:27:43,200 --> 02:27:45,600
because they were worried
about the possibility...
1663
02:27:45,700 --> 02:27:48,600
of a multi-billion dollar
lawsuit against us...
1664
02:27:48,800 --> 02:27:51,100
for tortious interference.
1665
02:27:51,000 --> 02:27:53,200
But now things have changed.
1666
02:27:53,300 --> 02:27:56,100
What Dr. Wigand told uswas that his former...
1667
02:28:25,300 --> 02:28:28,200
This industry,in my opinion, is an industry...
1668
02:28:28,300 --> 02:28:32,300
that has perpetrated the biggest fraud
on the American public in history.
1669
02:28:32,300 --> 02:28:34,500
They've killed millions
and millions of...
1670
02:28:57,600 --> 02:29:00,800
You wish you hadn't blown the whistle?
1671
02:29:01,000 --> 02:29:05,300
Yeah, there are times
I wish I hadn't done it.
1672
02:29:05,400 --> 02:29:10,600
There are times I feel com...
compelled to do it.
1673
02:29:10,700 --> 02:29:12,600
If you ask me...
1674
02:29:12,700 --> 02:29:15,600
would I do it again,
do I think it's worth it?
1675
02:29:18,500 --> 02:29:20,400
Yeah, I think it's worth it.
1676
02:29:26,000 --> 02:29:29,800
I promised you a three-hour
heads up. Here it is.
1677
02:29:29,900 --> 02:29:33,400
Have a camera crew standing by
in Helena, Montana on Tuesday,
1678
02:29:33,400 --> 02:29:35,400
and I'll give you
a three-hour head start.
1679
02:29:35,400 --> 02:29:38,800
All right? By the way, that was
a hell of a good show tonight.
1680
02:29:38,900 --> 02:29:40,900
- Thank you, Bill.
- Yeah.
1681
02:30:00,300 --> 02:30:03,500
You won.
1682
02:30:03,600 --> 02:30:05,500
Yeah.
1683
02:30:08,900 --> 02:30:10,800
What did I win?
1684
02:30:14,600 --> 02:30:18,900
Reportingfrom CBS News world headquartersin New York, good afternoon.
1685
02:30:19,000 --> 02:30:21,600
There has been a major break inthe case of the so-called Unabomber.
1686
02:30:21,700 --> 02:30:23,600
CBS News has learnedthat a remote homesite...
1687
02:30:23,600 --> 02:30:25,700
outside of Lincoln, Montana...
1688
02:30:25,900 --> 02:30:29,300
has been under F.B.I.Surveillance for several weeks.
1689
02:30:30,900 --> 02:30:32,800
Great, Lowell.
1690
02:30:41,800 --> 02:30:44,200
Thanks for this.
1691
02:30:44,200 --> 02:30:48,800
You know, we beat everybody.
ABC, NBC, CNN.
1692
02:30:52,000 --> 02:30:53,900
Mike.
1693
02:31:01,400 --> 02:31:03,800
That Canada story...
1694
02:31:03,900 --> 02:31:05,800
still interest you?
1695
02:31:06,000 --> 02:31:10,000
Everything interests me.
1696
02:31:10,000 --> 02:31:12,000
Uh, I quit, Mike.
1697
02:31:14,500 --> 02:31:16,400
Bullshit.
1698
02:31:18,000 --> 02:31:20,700
Come on.
1699
02:31:20,900 --> 02:31:23,400
It all worked out.
1700
02:31:23,300 --> 02:31:26,200
You came out okay
in the end.
1701
02:31:26,300 --> 02:31:28,300
I did?
1702
02:31:28,200 --> 02:31:31,500
What do I tell a source
on the next tough story?
1703
02:31:31,700 --> 02:31:34,600
"Hang in with us.
You'll be fine. Maybe."
1704
02:31:34,700 --> 02:31:37,500
No.
1705
02:31:37,500 --> 02:31:40,600
What got broken here...
1706
02:31:40,500 --> 02:31:43,000
doesn't go
back together again.
1707
02:31:47,900 --> 02:31:50,300
So, uh...
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