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Some people cannot believe
that a magician can fool them
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in such a way that they
can't figure it out.
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But magicians can and magicians do.
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Swindlers do, conmen do all the time.
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They're not magicians, they're fakes.
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They are lying to us, they're deceiving us.
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It's OK to fool people, as
long as you're doing that
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to teach them a lesson which
will better their knowledge
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of how the real world works.
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No matter how smart or
well-educated you are,
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you can be deceived.
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Hello, how are you doing today?
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Very well, thank you.
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- Can I bring you something to...?
- Coffee!
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Oh, yes, please. For me, coffee.
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- I'll get you coffee in a minute, OK?
- OK.
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Oh, my heart just started again,
that's good. Always a good sign.
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See, I've always had my battle
with the psychics, the so-called -
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and I use that word in quotations
all the time, remember that!
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People who are stealing
money from the public,
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cheating them and misinforming them.
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That's the kind of thing that
I've been fighting all my life.
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Magicians are the most
honest people in the world,
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they tell you they are going to
fool you, and then they do it.
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Wait a minute, I have to worship here.
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OK.
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- APPLAUSE - James Randi is the
author of The Faith Healers
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and he's best known as an
investigator of psychic
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and miraculous claims.
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Would you welcome, please,
The Amazing Randi.
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- Here he is! The Amazing Randi!
- HE SNORES
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- What did you... would you tell us who you are?
- The Amazing Randi. Ta-da!
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I was born at an early age in a log
cabin I helped my father build.
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By the time I was seven I was eleven.
I grew up very fast.
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I am a magician, I always
have been a magician...
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A conjurer, prestidigitator,
legerdemainist... liar, cheat,
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- charlatan and fake.
- LAUGHTER
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You're a master magician.
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Some people have said that you're about
the greatest escape artist since Houdini.
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Randi has a real deep natural affection
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for magic and this love of deception.
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A good magician needs to be a
little bit of a conman, I think.
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He needs to be sort of a criminal type,
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but not have enough guts
to actually rob banks.
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He loves magic. He spent his whole
life as a performer, as a magician.
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So he really resents anyone
applying the techniques of magic
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for any purpose other than entertainment.
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Especially to convince people that
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there is something psychic going on
here, he thinks that an abomination.
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Tonight on this stage you
are going to meet a man
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who claims he can move physical
objects using the powers of his mind.
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APPLAUSE
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Now, you have been touring our country,
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- debunking psychics, haven't you?
- I have indeed.
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And I think that the
solution is rather simple.
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Now, what I have here is
particles of a white plastic
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which will rather conclusively
show that Mr Hydrick
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is merely blowing on both
the page and on the pencil.
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- James?
- Ready.
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Randi says the public is
being fleeced via trickery.
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"I am going to tell you what's
happening and more to the point,
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"this is going to be a crusade
to try and change the world."
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If there is something to the paranormal,
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let's find out what it is, if anything.
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And on the other hand let's not
be taken in by the claptrap
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that is being offered
us, and at our expense.
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I just ingested six-and-a-half-days'
worth of homeopathic sleeping pills.
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- Why don't they affect me?
- LAUGHTER
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People say, what's the harm?
Why do you care about this?
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Then I saw Randi's answer, which was,
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bad ideas can cause you
serious damage or death.
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The psychic surgeons, they
operate with their bare hands
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and profess to remove tumours,
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malignant tissue, without any marks at all.
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And believe me, the gimmick is so simple
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you can buy it for 75
cents in a magic shop.
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Now, what you're about to see
is a bare-handed operation...
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His point isn't to tell you
that something isn't true.
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His point is to widen your scope of
vision so that you will question
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the things that happen in front of you.
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- Oh, no, that doesn't come out.
- LAUGHTER
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Some people think that he's very dogmatic.
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It's always some tired person in a
shack someplace in Idaho or Iowa
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or some place like that
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who gets picked up by extraterrestrials
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and they have their genitals
examined in great detail
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and they can't wait to get
on Oprah to describe it.
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- I'll bet you don't believe in the tooth fairy or Santa Claus either.
- I'm looking into Santa Claus.
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He's a great storyteller and like
all good storytellers, well,
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there's probably some
information and detail in there
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that may not be appearing
in his version of events.
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It is, I will say, interesting that a man
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who has devoted his whole life
to using the tools of deception
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to uncover real deception has,
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at the centre of his life, a deception.
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APPLAUSE And welcome to To Tell The Truth.
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Let's meet our next team of challengers.
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One of these three men pretended to
be possessed by an ancient spirit.
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Number one, what is your name, please?
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My name is Jose Alvarez.
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- Number two.
- My name is Jose Alvarez.
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- Number three.
- My name is Jose Alvarez.
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Only one of these people
is the real Jose Alvarez,
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and is the only one sworn
To Tell The Truth.
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APPLAUSE
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'I first met Jose Alvarez in the
Fort Lauderdale public library.'
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I offered to explain something
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about one of the photographs
he was looking at.
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This is the actual flower
here for the cactus.
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- Yes.
- The little ones. And look at this, if this...
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Yeah, this is fantastic, look at that.
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- Yeah, we need to spread that around.
- See, this is the one I cut for the...
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'We end up spending the whole afternoon'
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talking about our mutual interest
about space exploration.
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I remember we looked at books on
telescopes and I told him I had
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such a telescope at home, the Questar.
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I went back to my friends and I said,
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"I just met this extraordinary man,
and I would like to meet him again."
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We were able to go out
at night with a tripod
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and see the moons of Jupiter and all
kinds of good things like that,
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which is always very
exciting to show somebody,
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certainly if it's for the first time.
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'I just got very excited
and I said, I need to...'
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I need to be with him more! HE LAUGHS
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'When I first met Randi, I
wasn't aware of who he was.'
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OK, tomorrow, don't tell
me about tomorrow...
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And I was there when he
won the MacArthur Award.
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The gentleman announced, we are
calling from the MacArthur Committee
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and told me that I had won the prize,
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- and I answered in my most intelligible way...
- HE BABBLES INCOHERENTLY
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'Then I got a real feel
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'of the kind of impact he
was having culturally.
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'And little by little, I started
getting more and more involved
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'in the investigation of paranormal
activities that Randi was doing.
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'And then he asked me to play the
character of a fake channeller
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'in a project that we end
up working together.'
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This woman is JZ Knight.
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She's also the one they call
Ramtha, a mystical male spirit,
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35,000 years old, who claims to be divine.
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Now, you must understand that
the so-called channellers
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were claiming that they could
contact long-dead spirits.
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Now, not a few hundred years back, no, no.
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They were more ambitious than that.
Tens of thousands of years ago.
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Indeed!
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And they would speak in
funny voices like this!
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God bless you, Doctor!
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All right, I'll say, how are you this day
of your time as you create time to exist.
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They were very popular. They gave talks,
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HUGE prices for the seats.
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There are often so many people,
the Ramtha Organisation can earn
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up to 200,000 for a single appearance.
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And you're my first 35,000-year-old guest.
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It was such nonsense.
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I can't think of that technical term...
Oh, yes - bullshit.
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What she definitely is is part of what
is being called the New Age movement.
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Lots of people believe
this is something genuine
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because they see something
on television and think,
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"My goodness, surely this journalist
would have checked this stuff out."
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Trauma from a past life
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sometimes seems to spill
over into the present.
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We are conditioned to believe
that things that look like
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documentaries, but are not
factual, must essentially be true
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or it wouldn't be presented
as if it were factual.
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Hello?
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The Carlos Hoax started
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when 60 Minutes Australia
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called Randi because they wanted to
prove that channellers were a hoax.
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On that phone call, Randi told them
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that you couldn't prove that someone
who said that they are inhabited
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by a spirit 40,000 years
old is a false claim.
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What he said to them was, "What
we need to do is to create one."
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His name is Carlos and you've
probably seen him on television
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or mentioned in the press.
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Carlos is involved in the
mystical field of channelling.
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Carlos, if you believe him,
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is a spiritual messenger who
occupies the body of this
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19-year-old Puerto Rican
artist, Jose Alvarez.
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The Carlos Hoax was to show
that the media would fall for
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most of these stunts if they
sounded attractive enough,
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and they wouldn't really
investigate too carefully.
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So, one of the very first things
we did to introduce Carlos to the
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public, we made up the press package
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that we presented to the Australian press.
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'What trash this is!'
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We even invented newspapers and magazines
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that never existed. Theatrical
magazines particularly,
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announcing the appearance
of the Great Carlos
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at such-and-such a theatre
that didn't exist.
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But no-one in the media bothered to
check up on one of these details.
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They could have picked up
the phone and just checked
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and they would have found out
that they were being deceived.
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- 'Hello?'
- It didn't happen.
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One man who's been making a name for
himself here in the United States
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is now doing the same in Australia.
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Jose Luis Alvarez is a
19-year-old channeller.
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By 60 hours after we had arrived,
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we had eight major TV appearances,
headlines in newspapers.
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Everyone in Australia pretty
well knew that Carlos was there.
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HE SHRIEKS
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It will be astronomical... in nature!
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Frankly, I was just doing
it without thinking.
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Otherwise, I wouldn't
have been able to do it.
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Last Sunday, the Opera House Drama Theatre
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was packed with a
near-capacity crowd of 500,
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there to listen to Carlos and
to have their questions passed
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on to him by his disciples.
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Crystals are fossils... of long ago!
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I know he's definitely psychic.
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It's something that I can
feel coming from him.
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I thought it was great.
Very sincere, I thought.
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- Do you believe him?
- Yeah, I do, actually.
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The following Sunday, 60 Minutes
Australia revealed the whole hoax.
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He billed himself as a
man of the supernatural,
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a man who could do amazing things.
And thousands believed him,
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making him a celebrity.
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But it was all an elaborate hoax.
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The most basic fact about Carlos
was that he simply doesn't exist.
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That's the real teaching of Carlos.
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But this doesn't even scratch the surface
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of just what a phoney Carlos is.
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I am Carlos!
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Though I had, just a year or so
before this Australian event,
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actually met Jose Alvarez,
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I was very pleased at what
it did for our relationship
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because it really cemented it pretty well.
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We decided after that that
we sort of belong together.
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I recognised, I guess, at a very early age
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that my feelings were different
from those around me.
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And it was pretty evident to me
that that was heavily frowned upon.
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I perhaps felt like a bit of an outsider.
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My father only really spoke
to me twice in my whole life.
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Calling me aside, sitting me down
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and having a discussion.
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We did that twice during my life,
I was surprised both times.
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I was pretty well educated on my own.
The local education system
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in Toronto, Canada, actually allowed
me to stay out of grade school,
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only going in there to take the tests.
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I was free to wander
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around Toronto and I found the
Casino Theatre on Queen Street.
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I saw The Great Blackstone advertised.
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I had never seen a magician
before in my whole life.
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Harry Blackstone walked out on stage
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and did wonderful things that I
had never dreamed could be done.
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He had this young lady walk out
from the side of the stage
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and he cast her into a trance. And he said,
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"Princess Astra...
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"..rise!"
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She floated up into the air.
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And I looked very carefully,
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and I could not see any means
whereby she could be suspended
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in the air and caused to move in the air!
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That was wonderful, I was transfixed.
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How could the man do such a thing?
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I determined at that moment
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that I was going to become
a professional magician.
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And so at 17, I decided I wouldn't
graduate from high school,
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I left home and I joined the carnival.
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I never went home again.
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Now, is it possible that I could
have drawn anything on there?
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Do you want to take one more look?
Take one more look, there's
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nothing in there except a crushed
piece of chalk, right? Now,
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before you open up the slates, what
was the word that you looked at in
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- the book? Would you mind telling us?
- Mackerel.
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I was doing, well, so-called
mind-reading tricks and such,
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psychic tricks, so to speak.
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- It's been in your hands all this time,
right? - I assume so. - All right, then,
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would you open them and see what the spirits
have brought us in the way of a message.
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Don't tell her how it was done.
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When I introduced myself as a magician,
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I used to say to my
audience, "Good evening,
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"my name is The Great Randall.
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"I am a liar, a cheat and a charlatan.
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"I will blatantly lie to
you, but for purposes of
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"entertainment only, of course.
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"And those lies may not be
discernible from the truth."
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Randi had this sense of trying
to be bigger than life.
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And the easiest way to
be bigger than yourself
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is to lie.
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I was 21 years of age when
I predicted the outcome
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of that year's World Series.
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And it was good for me,
it moved me up a peg.
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But it also had some fallout.
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People would stop me in the street,
literally, and start to ask
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personal questions,
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family questions and such that
they thought I could answer,
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and even offering me money to
predict whether the husband that
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the girl had chosen was the right one...
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That was quite a comeuppance for
me because I realised, you know,
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people really do believe this nonsense.
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Mentalism can be a deal with the devil.
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It's an incredibly seductive
feeling for someone to
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imbue you with that power.
It's a very tempting thing.
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Then you have to make a decision.
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Are you the sort of person that will
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look someone in the eye,
and even though you have
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got no idea what their future holds,
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you're prepared to tell them
something that isn't true,
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that may harm them,
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just to move money from
their wallet into yours.
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You do not have that influence
and power as a magician.
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You have it the moment you
deny you're a magician.
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I know that surge of power that you feel
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when you use a cheap trick
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to manipulate someone else
into thinking you have powers
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that you don't have.
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And I think it's very much to the
good of the world that when Randi
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felt that power, he backed away from it.
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And out of that feeling of that power,
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uh... came a rage.
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I want now to introduce Uri Geller.
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He's been denounced by some people
as a magician, and certainly he's a
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showman. He gives demonstrations
all over the United States.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Uri Geller.
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APPLAUSE
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They said his name was Uri Geller.
The name didn't mean a thing to me.
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He's come to the attention of
Stanford Research Institute,
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and the scientists there are
apparently quite convinced that
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he has psychic powers.
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What I do is telepathy...
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and that is, as everybody knows,
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is receiving thoughts and passing thoughts.
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And then I have the other power
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which I, which I read that
they call pyschokinesis.
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And that is moving or bending
or breaking objects.
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It's cracking, I feel it under my fingers.
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See how gently it goes?
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Look, it's like it's becoming like plastic.
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It's breaking... It's breaking.
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You can...
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if, look, it's very...
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LAUGHTER
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In 1972, I got a call from
Colonel Austin Kibler of
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the Defense Department, then acting
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head of ARPA, as it was called -
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Advanced Research Projects Agency.
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He says, "Could you drop
everything you're doing
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"and go to Stanford Research Institute.
There's a
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"psychic down there and if he can
do what they claim he can do,
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"we ought to be involved.
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"Cos the Russians have a big programme now
going, using what they call Psy-Warfare."
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This film describes a
five-week investigation
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conducted at Stanford Research
Institute with Uri Geller,
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a young Israeli.
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Here we present a case of
a double-blind experiment
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in which someone places an object
into a can chosen at random from ten
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aluminium cans. Geller's
task now is to determine
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which of these ten cans holds
the steel ball bearing.
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Now Targ and Puthoff, the two scientists
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who were in residence there at
the time, were quite a pair.
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First of all, Targ is legally blind.
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And, er...
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he was one of the observers. Duh!
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He has made his choice,
the steel ball is found.
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He fooled the pants off
them, it was astonishing.
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They saw Nobel Prizes
on the horizon because
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if you do discover there really were
psychic powers, that would certainly
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- bring you a Nobel Prize or two.
- In this case, Geller guessed that a
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four was showing, and he was quite
pleased to have guessed correctly.
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When I made my report to the
government that Geller was...
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a complete fraud,
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Targ and Puthoff realised they
were not going to get the money
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from the government, so they
took Geller on a tour to get
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publicity for him and to
raise some private money
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to do their research with him.
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I've been reading a lot of research on him
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from the Stanford Research Institute
and from the science section
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of the New York Times.
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A lot of publicity on this gentleman
whose name is Uri, U-R-I, Uri Geller.
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And we hope we're going to see some
rather astounding things tonight.
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Would you welcome, please, Uri Geller.
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APPLAUSE
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Johnny Carson was THE man.
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Everybody watched that programme on NBC
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and since I had been on the
programme many, many times,
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they asked if I could come into California
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to appear on the show that night.
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And I said, "Boy this
is rather short notice,
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"but I will talk to your prop man.
And I'll tell the prop man how
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"he can prepare the props in such
and such a way that if it's real,
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"Geller can do it.
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"But if it's a fake, Geller
won't be able to do it."
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- Are you feeling in the mood yet?
- No.
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- More questions?
- All right, let's...
- What's the capital of South Dakota?
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LAUGHTER
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No, I don't mean to press you.
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OK, uh, let me see.
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I said, OK, what I would like you
to do with the little aluminium
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film cans is I would like you
to coat them on the bottom
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with rubber cement.
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Don't glue them down to the tray,
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just coat the bottoms and let them dry.
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When they're put on the tray,
they won't skid, then.
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I said because the way he does
the film-can thing is he rotates
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the tray and he sees which
ones move differently.
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We'll start eliminating the ones
that do not have the water.
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- Without touching them.
- He is really suspicious, you know!
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I'm having a hard time with you!
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- I don't mean to be, Uri, I really don't.
- Just keep looking.
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- OK, let me rest a little, all right?
- All right.
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They actually shut down the set
for 20 minutes or so while he
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hummed and hawed and wondered how
he was going to do something,
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then they came back to the live audience
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after a big, long commercial break.
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All right, we are back.
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Uri was telling me you don't
feel, what, strong tonight?
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- I don't feel strong...
- Geller had to give the whole thing up.
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It was a real failure for
him, definite failure.
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Because Carson's people had followed
the instructions that I gave them.
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- Don't be disappointed.
- I won't.
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- I'm not.
- OK.
- We thought he didn't have a future.
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And we were wrong! Very, very wrong,
we didn't know how wrong we were!
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Try to make a Boy Scout knot.
Really heave on it.
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That doesn't feel very tight,
put another knot on top,
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would you, please? Just one more
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to make sure. I don't want it
to fall off around my ankles.
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- There we go.
- What did I ever do to you? Why do you hate me so much?!
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I'm going to see if I can take this
rope off, it may take me a while,
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but I'll see how fast I can do it.
Would you time me, please?
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- Do you have a watch there, just look at your watch.
- Uh, yeah.
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How about you, you got a watch? I have one.
It took 2½ seconds.
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I think I deserve a large
round of applause for that.
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One of Randi's great heroes
is Harry Houdini, and the
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life of Harry Houdini reads very
similar to the life of James Randi.
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Starting out as an amazing magician
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and escape artist, he was a great
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showman and debunker and dedicated his life
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to keeping people from being duped.
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Well, the thought naturally
occurred to me that I
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could base a good deal of my life on
Harry Houdini and his adventures,
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perhaps do some of the
things that he had done
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and perhaps even improve on them.
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- Open sesame, try that.
- Open sesame.
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- Oh, look at it!
- The door is opening!
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I wanted to break his records -
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I wanted to stay in a sealed
metal coffin longer than he did,
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get out of a straitjacket
faster than he did.
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Out of chains, out of leg
irons and handcuffs.
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I said if a man could make
it, I could break it.
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There was nothing he couldn't get out of.
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Or make it at least seem like
he was getting out of them.
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The clock is still going, he has
established a world's record.
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In some cases, 200 feet of rope
wrapped up on a chair on stage.
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You just hope that the
theatre doesn't catch fire,
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because they're likely to
leave you behind to fry.
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But it's when some of the things
like hanging over Niagara Falls
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in a straitjacket at 20 below
zero, that gets your attention.
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♪ Billion dollar babies
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♪ Hey!
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♪ Billion dollar babies... ♪
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In '73, with Billion Dollar Babies,
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we said this whole album
is about extravagance,
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so take it to the next level,
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let's use illusion.
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If you're going to get your head
cut off, it can be scary and funny
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at the same time, but it's
got to be professional.
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So you go to the best guy, and
Amazing Randi was the best guy.
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I had never heard of Alice Cooper.
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I assumed it was a woman,
you see, silly me!
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And I said, yeah, this might be fun.
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He really starts to become
kind of a pop-culture figure.
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All the way to... Happy Days!
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Good afternoon, gentlemen,
I am The Amazing Randi.
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Hey, The Amazing Randi!
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My appearance on Happy Days
really did a lot for my career.
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- Fonzie, thanks a lot. You really saved the day.
- Are you kidding?
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- Whoa.
- Hey!
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- See ya.
- Yeah, hang in there.
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This is show business. The showmanship.
469
00:28:32,818 --> 00:28:34,777
That's one respect in which
470
00:28:34,778 --> 00:28:38,823
I based a good deal of my efforts
on what Houdini had done.
471
00:28:38,824 --> 00:28:40,450
He had done it by trial and error
472
00:28:40,451 --> 00:28:42,911
and I benefitted from his example.
473
00:28:42,912 --> 00:28:46,748
This actually was invented
more than half a century ago
474
00:28:46,749 --> 00:28:49,209
by the late, great, Harry Houdini.
475
00:28:49,210 --> 00:28:52,337
I was asked to do a show
honouring Harry Houdini.
476
00:28:52,338 --> 00:28:56,550
I am going to immerse myself inside the can,
my body will displace some of the water,
477
00:28:56,551 --> 00:29:00,596
the water will be filled right to the
very top and the lid will be locked on.
478
00:29:00,597 --> 00:29:05,476
And I was going to do the milk can.
Now, this is rehearsal,
479
00:29:05,477 --> 00:29:09,313
maybe 20 minutes before airtime.
480
00:29:09,314 --> 00:29:12,317
And I tried to perform the escape.
481
00:29:14,027 --> 00:29:16,278
I couldn't get out of the milk can.
482
00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:21,242
Something had jammed and I
heard a crackling noise.
483
00:29:21,243 --> 00:29:25,580
Turned out it was a couple of my
vertebrae that had been chipped.
484
00:29:25,581 --> 00:29:31,002
And the pain was rather
considerable, to say the least.
485
00:29:31,003 --> 00:29:35,382
I was in deep trouble. I knew that if
I panicked I would... I'd be dead,
486
00:29:35,383 --> 00:29:39,594
that's all there is to it.
So you don't panic.
487
00:29:39,595 --> 00:29:42,264
I had to let myself sink
back into the water,
488
00:29:42,265 --> 00:29:44,766
I was in a bit of trouble.
489
00:29:44,767 --> 00:29:49,730
Finally I heard the noises that
they were undoing the padlocks.
490
00:29:49,731 --> 00:29:53,150
I roared up out of the water,
491
00:29:53,151 --> 00:29:56,737
and there I was, I had been saved.
It was a close call.
492
00:29:56,738 --> 00:30:00,950
Ladies and gentlemen, please
welcome The Amazing Randi!
493
00:30:00,951 --> 00:30:02,451
I came back from the hospital
494
00:30:02,452 --> 00:30:05,746
and I was introduced down near the
end of the show on a stretcher.
495
00:30:05,747 --> 00:30:07,373
I've just returned from the hospital
496
00:30:07,374 --> 00:30:09,917
and they tell me that I have a
double compression fracture
497
00:30:09,918 --> 00:30:12,253
of the vertebrae,
498
00:30:12,254 --> 00:30:15,632
and it's not something I recommend
you undertake as a hobby.
499
00:30:15,633 --> 00:30:17,717
It wasn't a great blow to me.
500
00:30:17,718 --> 00:30:21,179
And I was at the point where I
thought that maybe it was time
501
00:30:21,180 --> 00:30:22,889
to get out of this business.
502
00:30:22,890 --> 00:30:25,308
Randi probably could've
kept doing it for a while.
503
00:30:25,309 --> 00:30:27,686
I remember him saying to
me, "There comes a point
504
00:30:27,687 --> 00:30:30,814
"you just don't want to see a little
old guy getting out of a can."
505
00:30:30,815 --> 00:30:33,900
I heard that this going to be the
last escape, you're through with it.
506
00:30:33,901 --> 00:30:36,612
Yes, the last straitjacket
escape, certainly.
507
00:30:36,613 --> 00:30:39,031
I may do some jail escapes
and a few things like that,
508
00:30:39,032 --> 00:30:42,993
- but I'm going to leave that stunt to the younger people.
- Oh, yeah. How old are you?
509
00:30:42,994 --> 00:30:46,747
I'm 55 now, and it's time to
get out of that business.
510
00:30:46,748 --> 00:30:49,333
I think it gave him the opportunity
511
00:30:49,334 --> 00:30:54,630
to focus full-time on what he regarded...
512
00:30:54,631 --> 00:30:56,717
as the bigger, better targets.
513
00:31:04,642 --> 00:31:08,686
In the name of Jesus! Everybody
with a bone disease,
514
00:31:08,687 --> 00:31:13,108
everybody with a back
infirmity, misplaced vertebrae,
515
00:31:13,109 --> 00:31:15,861
bring them right down
over here to the side.
516
00:31:15,862 --> 00:31:19,906
Did you ever feel anything like
this, it's like warm liquid fire
517
00:31:19,907 --> 00:31:22,159
flowing over this whole building!
518
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,453
Oh, thank you, Jesus.
519
00:31:24,454 --> 00:31:26,497
Oh, God.
520
00:31:26,498 --> 00:31:30,709
Let her go, that's the
power of the Holy Spirit.
521
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:33,796
During the '80s, the faith
healing racket was very,
522
00:31:33,797 --> 00:31:36,924
very prominent, literally
all over the world.
523
00:31:36,925 --> 00:31:40,094
Let his leg begin to grow, heal the disc.
There, it's coming...
524
00:31:40,095 --> 00:31:43,306
In the name of Jesus.
525
00:31:43,307 --> 00:31:46,059
I did a lot of investigation, I
visited a lot of these tent shows
526
00:31:46,060 --> 00:31:49,312
as we called them, and we
didn't see any evidence of
527
00:31:49,313 --> 00:31:51,814
healing taking place whatsoever.
528
00:31:51,815 --> 00:31:54,985
But I was particularly
obsessed with Peter Popoff.
529
00:32:02,743 --> 00:32:04,870
You've got cancer of the stomach?
530
00:32:04,871 --> 00:32:07,998
Are you ready for God to
burn that cancer out?
531
00:32:07,999 --> 00:32:12,586
A man like Reverend Peter Popoff
was a very dangerous man.
532
00:32:12,587 --> 00:32:17,383
In my estimation, he was a real scoundrel.
Because he was taking
533
00:32:17,384 --> 00:32:20,594
people's faith in their
religion - he was taking away
534
00:32:20,595 --> 00:32:24,765
their security. In many cases,
he was harming them physically
535
00:32:24,766 --> 00:32:26,642
because he was convincing them
536
00:32:26,643 --> 00:32:29,437
that they didn't have to
go to doctors any more,
537
00:32:29,438 --> 00:32:33,941
- that Jesus had healed them.
- If you've got pills, as an act of faith,
538
00:32:33,942 --> 00:32:36,527
I want you to just throw
'em out in the aisles.
539
00:32:36,528 --> 00:32:41,157
Those of you up on the balcony, just
throw them over the side, Amen.
540
00:32:41,158 --> 00:32:44,996
Throw them over the side,
throw them over the side.
541
00:32:46,163 --> 00:32:48,874
So you have Popoff, who's
going around the congregation
542
00:32:48,875 --> 00:32:52,085
and just seemed to be able to hear
the voice of God and know all about
543
00:32:52,086 --> 00:32:53,670
people, even their addresses,
544
00:32:53,671 --> 00:32:55,922
he would call it out, everyone's impressed.
545
00:32:55,923 --> 00:33:00,010
Is that... John? 3784 Archwood Road?
546
00:33:00,011 --> 00:33:04,932
God is burning those blood clots out
of his veins, out of his arteries...
547
00:33:04,933 --> 00:33:07,476
Jesus!
548
00:33:07,477 --> 00:33:08,853
There it is...
549
00:33:08,854 --> 00:33:12,648
So he was doing a mentalism act, it
appeared, and we wondered how he got
550
00:33:12,649 --> 00:33:16,110
- the information.
- So Randi was coming to town and he said,
551
00:33:16,111 --> 00:33:21,115
"Would you like to come see this evangelist by the
name of Peter Popoff, and he's supposedly really
552
00:33:21,116 --> 00:33:24,494
"well known, and he's going to be
downtown and he's going to be doing
553
00:33:24,495 --> 00:33:27,831
"this whole revival thing and
thousands of people will be there."
554
00:33:27,832 --> 00:33:31,084
And I said, "Yeah, I'd love to come."
555
00:33:31,085 --> 00:33:33,753
Is it Ruby, Ruby Harris?
556
00:33:33,754 --> 00:33:37,757
So, I'm sitting there with Randi
and there's thousands of people.
557
00:33:37,758 --> 00:33:40,719
Come on up here, Ruby - here she comes!
558
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,431
They believe this man has a
connection with their God
559
00:33:44,432 --> 00:33:47,601
- and he can actually heal them.
- Yes! Yes! Yes!
560
00:33:47,602 --> 00:33:51,981
Now, listen, I'm going to tell her what's wrong
with her, but I'm not going to tell it out loud
561
00:33:51,982 --> 00:33:55,985
because it's confidential. How many of you
believe the Holy Spirit's a gentleman?
562
00:33:55,986 --> 00:34:00,406
I realised at that moment, something big is going
on here. This is a lot more than I thought it was.
563
00:34:00,407 --> 00:34:02,325
Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!
564
00:34:02,326 --> 00:34:05,411
God's going to burn them out
right now, here they go!
565
00:34:05,412 --> 00:34:07,622
Here they go - right now, Jesus!
566
00:34:07,623 --> 00:34:09,290
And I have to tell you,
567
00:34:09,291 --> 00:34:12,877
it was an absolutely amazing
experience, because...
568
00:34:12,878 --> 00:34:18,341
- the emotions that you feel when there are people up there who are in tears...
- Right now,
569
00:34:18,342 --> 00:34:21,511
Jesus! Ah, hallelujah!
He's not going to need...
570
00:34:21,512 --> 00:34:26,475
Who are shaking and you've got this
entire energy going throughout this room.
571
00:34:26,476 --> 00:34:28,727
It does something to
you, even as a sceptic.
572
00:34:28,728 --> 00:34:30,562
It truly does something to you.
573
00:34:30,563 --> 00:34:35,192
- Oh, hallelujah, get up on your feet, let's walk!
- There is no pain, no pain!
574
00:34:35,193 --> 00:34:37,195
12 years, there's no pain!
575
00:34:38,571 --> 00:34:43,201
Look at that! There he goes!
There he goes, Hallelujah!
576
00:34:45,078 --> 00:34:50,167
Oh, praise God! How many of you
know that burns the Devil up?
577
00:34:52,127 --> 00:34:55,463
After a while, you know, I'm sitting
there and after some of the emotion
578
00:34:55,464 --> 00:34:59,425
had died down in me, Popoff said, "I need
people to come down to collect money" for him
579
00:34:59,426 --> 00:35:03,763
and basically he had 15 buckets, and I'm supposed
to go around the auditorium and collect cash.
580
00:35:03,764 --> 00:35:07,809
God is touching that thyroid
condition right now.
581
00:35:07,810 --> 00:35:12,439
These people were throwing fives, tens, twenties,
because one of the things Popoff always tells them,
582
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,858
"Whatever you give,
you'll get back tenfold."
583
00:35:14,859 --> 00:35:19,279
So if you put a dollar in, hey, you're going
to get ten bucks. You put 100 bucks in,
584
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,991
you're going to get a lot more money back.
And these people truly believed this.
585
00:35:22,992 --> 00:35:26,620
Here it comes, complete healing in Jesus.
586
00:35:26,621 --> 00:35:29,832
You foul spirit of deafness,
take your hands off this woman
587
00:35:29,833 --> 00:35:33,836
in Jesus' name. Lord, let these
ears be open, there it is...
588
00:35:33,837 --> 00:35:35,504
And as I get up close,
589
00:35:35,505 --> 00:35:38,925
I notice in his ear, that there's
an earpiece, there's no earhole.
590
00:35:38,926 --> 00:35:42,512
It's a little piece of plastic in there
and I come back to Randi and I said,
591
00:35:42,513 --> 00:35:44,138
"I think I know what's going on."
592
00:35:44,139 --> 00:35:48,893
I said what's up? He said, "He's wearing
a hearing aid in his left ear."
593
00:35:48,894 --> 00:35:51,980
Now, a man who heals the deaf,
594
00:35:51,981 --> 00:35:56,026
you wouldn't think would
be wearing a hearing aid.
595
00:35:56,027 --> 00:35:59,404
- How do I sound now?
- Loud!
- Loud.
596
00:35:59,405 --> 00:36:02,824
At that point, I realised we
needed some technical help, so I
597
00:36:02,825 --> 00:36:06,536
enlisted the aid of a private
investigator named Alec Jason.
598
00:36:06,537 --> 00:36:07,996
Stand by.
599
00:36:07,997 --> 00:36:10,374
And... action.
600
00:36:10,375 --> 00:36:13,877
One day, Randi called me and
suggested that Peter Popoff was
601
00:36:13,878 --> 00:36:15,629
using radio transmissions,
602
00:36:15,630 --> 00:36:17,756
but they couldn't really figure out
603
00:36:17,757 --> 00:36:19,592
how it was done and they wanted to know
604
00:36:19,593 --> 00:36:21,677
if I could intercept it or detect it.
605
00:36:21,678 --> 00:36:24,138
I said I certainly couldn't guarantee it.
606
00:36:24,139 --> 00:36:28,560
Less than 50/50, maybe, you know, 25%.
607
00:36:29,770 --> 00:36:32,480
We knew that Popoff had a
"service" as he called it,
608
00:36:32,481 --> 00:36:34,524
happening in San Francisco
609
00:36:34,525 --> 00:36:36,901
and we figured we'd better be there.
610
00:36:36,902 --> 00:36:41,156
- Do you support Peter's ministry financially?
- Every dime I can, yeah.
611
00:36:41,157 --> 00:36:42,824
What brings you here today?
612
00:36:42,825 --> 00:36:45,869
Well, I'm expecting a miracle.
Physical healing.
613
00:36:45,870 --> 00:36:49,706
The day of the event, I dressed as a
security guard. Complete uniform -
614
00:36:49,707 --> 00:36:53,502
badge, shirt, radio, keys...
615
00:36:53,503 --> 00:36:54,628
everything.
616
00:36:54,629 --> 00:36:58,340
I'm not a security guard - I just
look like one, part of my cover.
617
00:36:58,341 --> 00:37:00,468
'And I was nervous.'
618
00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:06,765
I appeared in disguise as Adam Jersin.
619
00:37:06,766 --> 00:37:09,977
And if you put those words
together and mix them up,
620
00:37:09,978 --> 00:37:11,562
they spell James Randi.
621
00:37:11,563 --> 00:37:16,234
So I went down a corridor and
that's where I set up my equipment.
622
00:37:16,235 --> 00:37:19,320
It was concealed n bags. So I have
623
00:37:19,321 --> 00:37:23,741
my scanner going and it's
looking for new frequencies,
624
00:37:23,742 --> 00:37:26,369
anything new that's not there normally.
625
00:37:26,370 --> 00:37:29,497
Get ready...
626
00:37:29,498 --> 00:37:30,666
get ready.
627
00:37:32,209 --> 00:37:34,085
- Praise God.
- Suddenly,
628
00:37:34,086 --> 00:37:37,839
on the scanner, one of the lights
came on saying there's a signal
629
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,760
and the scanner has stopped at
that frequency. And I hear what I
630
00:37:41,761 --> 00:37:45,222
realise are now... footsteps.
631
00:37:45,223 --> 00:37:48,267
High-heel footsteps on a hard surface.
632
00:37:48,268 --> 00:37:51,020
How many of you believe it's
all right to praise the Lord?
633
00:37:51,021 --> 00:37:55,274
And then I hear someone coming
closer and closer to the microphone
634
00:37:55,275 --> 00:37:58,319
and a woman's voice said, "Hello, Petey..."
635
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,489
'Hello, Petey. Can you hear me?
636
00:38:01,490 --> 00:38:03,824
'If you can't, you're in trouble...'
637
00:38:03,825 --> 00:38:08,871
Yes! They were using a radio frequency.
I found it!
638
00:38:08,872 --> 00:38:10,206
In the name of Jesus...
639
00:38:10,207 --> 00:38:12,667
'Jodi Dean. Jodi Dean.'
640
00:38:12,668 --> 00:38:14,794
Is it Jodi?
641
00:38:14,795 --> 00:38:16,379
Jodi?
642
00:38:16,380 --> 00:38:18,340
Dean? Jodi Dean?
643
00:38:18,341 --> 00:38:20,675
'No, she should be right
there on your right side.'
644
00:38:20,676 --> 00:38:22,969
Here it comes.
645
00:38:22,970 --> 00:38:26,598
'OK, she lives at 4267 Masterson.'
646
00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:30,519
4267 Masterson? I can see the angels
of God all around your house.
647
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:31,603
Rosa?
648
00:38:31,604 --> 00:38:36,233
- 'Cameer.'
- Is it Cameer? You been taking a lot of medication?
649
00:38:36,234 --> 00:38:40,529
'She's there with her son Kipper
and he has a lump in his chest.'
650
00:38:40,530 --> 00:38:42,531
Wait just a minute, who's Kipper?
651
00:38:42,532 --> 00:38:46,327
He's got a lump in his chest. You
want God to melt it right now?
652
00:38:46,328 --> 00:38:50,206
Kipper, stand-up, God's going to
burn that thing out, right now.
653
00:38:50,207 --> 00:38:53,793
They'd filled out prayer request
forms, saying "I have cancer,"
654
00:38:53,794 --> 00:38:56,254
or I have this problem or that problem.
655
00:38:56,255 --> 00:38:59,382
So she's giving that
information directly to Popoff
656
00:38:59,383 --> 00:39:02,177
and then he's reciting that information
657
00:39:02,178 --> 00:39:04,262
as if he's getting it from God.
658
00:39:04,263 --> 00:39:06,348
'Martha Zacorski...'
659
00:39:06,349 --> 00:39:09,684
Is it Martha, is it Zacorski?
660
00:39:09,685 --> 00:39:13,313
- 'Weldon Krabb.'
- Is it Weldon...
- 'Krabb.'
- Krabb?
661
00:39:13,314 --> 00:39:16,566
- 'Peggy White.'
- Peggy White?
662
00:39:16,567 --> 00:39:19,486
- '1305 Celono.'
- 1305 Celono?
663
00:39:19,487 --> 00:39:22,448
- 'Turn over to the left.'
- Hallelujah!
- 'There you go.
664
00:39:22,449 --> 00:39:25,409
'She's had a hysterectomy,
she can't take hormones.
665
00:39:25,410 --> 00:39:27,369
'He's got kidney and eye problems.'
666
00:39:27,370 --> 00:39:29,038
You want God to touch your kidneys?
667
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:32,041
Now, let that ear open! In the
name the Lord - right now, Jesus!
668
00:39:32,042 --> 00:39:35,753
Power of the Holy Ghost! Here it comes...
Devil, back off!
669
00:39:35,754 --> 00:39:38,214
And the bondage is broken! Whoo!
670
00:39:38,215 --> 00:39:42,593
In the name of Jesus! You foul spirit!
671
00:39:42,594 --> 00:39:45,847
I thought, well, I'm getting out of
here now. So I packed everything up,
672
00:39:45,848 --> 00:39:48,558
I turned the equipment
off, took my bags and
673
00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:51,019
walked down the stairs,
outside to the cool air.
674
00:39:51,020 --> 00:39:54,230
My heart's pounding now,
because I've got the goods.
675
00:39:54,231 --> 00:39:56,900
Not only did we have the
evidence we needed,
676
00:39:56,901 --> 00:39:58,902
we had more than what we needed.
677
00:39:58,903 --> 00:40:00,153
We had it.
678
00:40:00,154 --> 00:40:03,323
APPLAUSE
679
00:40:03,324 --> 00:40:04,950
So I went on the Johnny Carson show
680
00:40:04,951 --> 00:40:08,537
and when the revelation came and
you heard Mrs Popoff's voice...
681
00:40:08,538 --> 00:40:12,708
'Hello, Petey, can you hear me? If
you can't, you're in trouble...'
682
00:40:12,709 --> 00:40:16,629
...Johnny suddenly realised what
the gimmick was and he said,
683
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:17,963
"Oh, sh..."
684
00:40:17,964 --> 00:40:21,008
It turns out that God's frequency
- I didn't know he used radio -
685
00:40:21,009 --> 00:40:25,429
is 39.170 megahertz, and God
is a woman, obviously, and
686
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:28,224
sounds exactly like
Popoff's wife, Elizabeth.
687
00:40:28,225 --> 00:40:29,475
Has he seen this tape at all?
688
00:40:29,476 --> 00:40:32,645
- No, he does not know about this until this very moment.
- Interesting.
689
00:40:32,646 --> 00:40:36,065
I can't imagine what it would be
like to maintain a life where your
690
00:40:36,066 --> 00:40:39,903
living and your wellbeing of you
and your family depends upon you
691
00:40:39,904 --> 00:40:41,738
lying every single day.
692
00:40:41,739 --> 00:40:45,283
I think they believe there is some
way in which what they are doing
693
00:40:45,284 --> 00:40:49,413
is good and that there's some moral
compass that they've invented
694
00:40:49,414 --> 00:40:51,373
that allows them to do this.
695
00:40:51,374 --> 00:40:54,543
A double portion of God's power!
696
00:40:54,544 --> 00:40:58,297
Well, we did it. We had exposed
this man on probably the
697
00:40:58,298 --> 00:41:01,425
most popular television show of the day.
698
00:41:01,426 --> 00:41:04,220
And he announced bankruptcy
shortly after that.
699
00:41:04,221 --> 00:41:05,846
Oh, glory to God!
700
00:41:05,847 --> 00:41:07,389
CARSON: OK, we'll take a break,
701
00:41:07,390 --> 00:41:08,809
we'll be right back.
702
00:41:24,074 --> 00:41:26,868
Oh, OK, I'll see what I can do, all right,
703
00:41:26,869 --> 00:41:29,830
here we go. Wait, I'll do
a Jackie Gleason here.
704
00:41:33,167 --> 00:41:35,585
Yeah, I don't know, hmm.
705
00:41:35,586 --> 00:41:37,839
I'll do a plie at the bar, OK?
706
00:41:39,007 --> 00:41:42,593
Oh, no, I don't bend that way any more!
707
00:41:42,594 --> 00:41:45,012
It has been said many times
when you're in love,
708
00:41:45,013 --> 00:41:46,513
you want to tell the world.
709
00:41:46,514 --> 00:41:48,515
Maybe it will work, I don't know.
710
00:41:48,516 --> 00:41:51,102
And James Randi is in love with the truth.
711
00:41:56,358 --> 00:42:02,071
The so-called psychics and the other
charlatans are making money at our
712
00:42:02,072 --> 00:42:05,575
expense and we have to bear
some of the blame for it,
713
00:42:05,576 --> 00:42:08,786
so let's get to work and
do something about it.
714
00:42:08,787 --> 00:42:11,080
I'll take two eight-by-tens.
715
00:42:11,081 --> 00:42:14,667
The man that puts the fear of
God into all those psychics,
716
00:42:14,668 --> 00:42:17,046
The Amazing Randi!
717
00:42:18,839 --> 00:42:23,718
James Randi isn't just about being
sceptical of the paranormal.
718
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,306
He is about promoting a
scientific worldview.
719
00:42:27,307 --> 00:42:31,935
Science has created and shaped much
of the world in which we live.
720
00:42:31,936 --> 00:42:36,983
But constant vigilance
can never be relaxed.
721
00:42:39,986 --> 00:42:42,780
You want people to be educated,
you want to go out and
722
00:42:42,781 --> 00:42:45,866
shake these people and say,
"Listen to me, listen to me."
723
00:42:45,867 --> 00:42:50,204
The Million-Dollar Challenge
is real, ladies and gentlemen.
724
00:42:50,205 --> 00:42:54,751
Why is there not a line-up outside
this organisation right now
725
00:42:54,752 --> 00:42:59,214
on the street? Why isn't Uri Geller here?
726
00:42:59,215 --> 00:43:01,800
Really pull, come on, make it tight.
727
00:43:01,801 --> 00:43:04,302
OK, I need... I need this chair.
728
00:43:04,303 --> 00:43:06,555
Sir, would you take the
chair and pull it up front?
729
00:43:13,688 --> 00:43:16,357
- I got an old one!
- First edition. Yes!
730
00:43:17,859 --> 00:43:19,651
The amount that he travels
731
00:43:19,652 --> 00:43:22,780
and the amount of people
that he engages with,
732
00:43:22,781 --> 00:43:27,284
he has genuinely changed thousands
and thousands of people's lives
733
00:43:27,285 --> 00:43:28,829
by opening their eyes.
734
00:43:35,335 --> 00:43:39,672
I've got to bring my camera down
here and get some shots of it, too.
735
00:43:39,673 --> 00:43:41,800
Just to make Jose crazy.
736
00:43:43,218 --> 00:43:45,887
Is he on your mind?
737
00:43:45,888 --> 00:43:47,722
Always!
738
00:43:47,723 --> 00:43:49,141
Every minute.
739
00:43:50,935 --> 00:43:53,145
Every minute, because he's not here.
740
00:44:08,995 --> 00:44:12,581
Sometimes I think... what
an odd couple we make.
741
00:44:12,582 --> 00:44:17,211
He's very rational and very much driven
742
00:44:17,212 --> 00:44:21,090
by the sceptic thinking and all of that.
743
00:44:21,091 --> 00:44:26,262
And sometimes I feel I'm a little
bit or a lot of the opposite.
744
00:44:26,263 --> 00:44:29,725
And somehow we have managed
to build a life together.
745
00:44:31,226 --> 00:44:34,605
And I like it. I like the fact
that we are completely opposites.
746
00:44:46,325 --> 00:44:51,705
Randi's always been supportive
of my career and my persona.
747
00:44:51,706 --> 00:44:55,001
All the way through. From the
moment we met up to now.
748
00:44:57,420 --> 00:44:58,880
It's just an amazing...
749
00:45:01,049 --> 00:45:04,135
No pun intended... life,
750
00:45:04,136 --> 00:45:05,929
being with him.
751
00:45:08,056 --> 00:45:10,267
I cannot imagine my life without him.
752
00:45:17,691 --> 00:45:22,153
OK, so just let me know as
soon as you leave the airport.
753
00:45:22,154 --> 00:45:24,447
OK, bye.
754
00:45:24,448 --> 00:45:27,493
He said they are waiting for luggage.
755
00:45:30,621 --> 00:45:31,998
So...
756
00:45:34,751 --> 00:45:37,629
People find it funny
that I call him Amazing!
757
00:45:39,130 --> 00:45:41,174
But I like to call him Amazing.
758
00:45:50,058 --> 00:45:52,519
I'm a bit tired, you know that?
759
00:45:55,188 --> 00:45:58,274
Oh, it's so good to be back.
760
00:45:58,275 --> 00:46:01,944
So good to have you back, Amazing.
761
00:46:01,945 --> 00:46:04,530
Good to be here after all that travel.
762
00:46:04,531 --> 00:46:08,451
- So good to have you back, Amazing.
- Now I gotta show you something.
- Yes.
763
00:46:08,452 --> 00:46:10,745
As you can see, I got a new cane.
764
00:46:10,746 --> 00:46:13,373
Yes, oh!
765
00:46:13,374 --> 00:46:16,334
Yes, and you've got to get the
full effect of it now. You ready?
766
00:46:16,335 --> 00:46:18,920
OK, let me see. That's
pretty awesome, Amazing.
767
00:46:18,921 --> 00:46:22,299
This was given to me by CICAP and Massimo.
768
00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:24,176
Oh, oh, nice.
769
00:46:24,177 --> 00:46:26,136
Oh, I remember this place.
770
00:46:26,137 --> 00:46:28,139
Yeah, we used to live here.
771
00:46:30,016 --> 00:46:33,936
- We are cute, aren't we?
- Yup, we are.
772
00:46:33,937 --> 00:46:37,357
- It's a good picture.
- I love that picture.
773
00:46:39,818 --> 00:46:44,947
This is the guy that left his
home at 17 to join a circus
774
00:46:44,948 --> 00:46:50,119
and go through all the crazy stories
775
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,039
that he has lived.
776
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:58,211
- Ooh, the inside of this one is icky.
- Well, then take it out.
- No, no.
777
00:46:58,212 --> 00:47:02,674
- There's lots that can be saved here.
- No, no, no, no.
- Yes.
778
00:47:02,675 --> 00:47:06,095
- I'll take it out later, then.
- You probably will.
779
00:47:07,555 --> 00:47:09,306
'It's quite an amazing ride
780
00:47:09,307 --> 00:47:14,520
'and I just feel very privileged
to have been part of it.'
781
00:47:26,491 --> 00:47:29,369
Once more, let me hold it here gently.
782
00:47:34,082 --> 00:47:36,209
I'm not even touching it and it's...
783
00:47:36,210 --> 00:47:38,545
Look, you see, it's plastic.
784
00:47:40,381 --> 00:47:44,634
When Geller was on the Tonight
Show and Randi had helped Johnny
785
00:47:44,635 --> 00:47:47,846
set it up such that he would not
be able to perform his tricks,
786
00:47:47,847 --> 00:47:50,849
it sure looked like that was
the end of Geller's career.
787
00:47:50,850 --> 00:47:54,436
Over, done, three strikes
and you're out - gone! No!
788
00:47:54,437 --> 00:47:56,563
Two days later, he's on
the Merv Griffin Show.
789
00:47:56,564 --> 00:47:58,774
And all I'm saying is "bend".
790
00:47:58,775 --> 00:48:01,401
Bend, bend.
791
00:48:01,402 --> 00:48:03,487
OK, look, can you see it?
792
00:48:03,488 --> 00:48:06,990
- I mean, it's bent, you know.
- That is a very bent key.
793
00:48:06,991 --> 00:48:11,579
Now what happens, it's an energy
that leaves my mind, nothing to do
794
00:48:11,580 --> 00:48:16,250
with my finger, penetrates the metal
and alters the molecular structure.
795
00:48:16,251 --> 00:48:20,838
Now, instead of bend, I say to
the broken watches, "Work!"
796
00:48:20,839 --> 00:48:24,550
- AUDIENCE:
- One, two, three. Work! Work!
797
00:48:24,551 --> 00:48:28,554
- Just a second. It's working!
- Oh, my goodness, it's working.
798
00:48:28,555 --> 00:48:31,975
Your mother's watch is working.
Is that like a miracle?
799
00:48:31,976 --> 00:48:34,519
They all started, they're working!
800
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,105
The "I Am Not A Crook" watch.
801
00:48:37,106 --> 00:48:39,274
First of all, I was born with this.
802
00:48:39,275 --> 00:48:41,484
When I was four years
old I was eating soup -
803
00:48:41,485 --> 00:48:43,111
and that's four years old -
804
00:48:43,112 --> 00:48:45,405
and suddenly the spoon
started bending in my hands!
805
00:48:45,406 --> 00:48:49,326
Now, Geller probably became
the first superstar psychic
806
00:48:49,327 --> 00:48:53,747
to be apparently accepted by
science and by scientists.
807
00:48:53,748 --> 00:48:57,668
Uri has subjected himself or has
been subjected to some scientific
808
00:48:57,669 --> 00:49:02,047
study, what they call cheat-proof,
under rigid controlled conditions.
809
00:49:02,048 --> 00:49:05,051
I want to tell you this,
that this is not a trick.
810
00:49:05,052 --> 00:49:09,263
These are scientists who are
putting their whole life at stake
811
00:49:09,264 --> 00:49:12,183
in validating these powers.
812
00:49:12,184 --> 00:49:14,852
Randi was very upset by Geller's
813
00:49:14,853 --> 00:49:18,189
using trickery to deceive scientists.
814
00:49:18,190 --> 00:49:21,025
He thought that that was very immoral
815
00:49:21,026 --> 00:49:25,864
and he felt that this was a
prostitution of his beloved magic.
816
00:49:25,865 --> 00:49:28,158
Randi, you've been going
around the country,
817
00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:31,578
somewhat as Houdini used to in
the past, trying to debunk those
818
00:49:31,579 --> 00:49:33,622
who say that it's psychic power.
819
00:49:33,623 --> 00:49:38,043
You say it's magic. This is my house key.
Uri Geller took it.
820
00:49:38,044 --> 00:49:41,463
He went like this with it, with his
finger, that's all, no pressure,
821
00:49:41,464 --> 00:49:44,299
and the key bent, you can see that,
822
00:49:44,300 --> 00:49:47,219
and I've carried it around because
I found that I'm a believer now.
823
00:49:47,220 --> 00:49:51,265
Here is my identical key.
Touch it and make it bend.
824
00:49:51,266 --> 00:49:54,143
Would you hold the end of it very
lightly in between your fingers,
825
00:49:54,144 --> 00:49:55,978
Barbara, and I'm just going to stroke it.
826
00:49:55,979 --> 00:49:59,315
- Now, I'm not putting enough pressure
on it to bend it? - No. - OK.
827
00:49:59,316 --> 00:50:01,651
Will you show it to the camera, please?
828
00:50:01,652 --> 00:50:04,821
Now, is it bent as much as this key or not?
829
00:50:04,822 --> 00:50:07,240
Are you going to keep
this key too, Barbara?
830
00:50:07,241 --> 00:50:08,741
APPLAUSE
831
00:50:08,742 --> 00:50:11,244
In one way I almost followed
Geller around the country
832
00:50:11,245 --> 00:50:13,663
because if he appeared on some major show,
833
00:50:13,664 --> 00:50:17,542
I simply went on the show
and did his same routine.
834
00:50:17,543 --> 00:50:19,961
Now, when Mr Geller does
this, he says, "Bend".
835
00:50:19,962 --> 00:50:21,755
I don't say that, I say, "Broccoli,"
836
00:50:21,756 --> 00:50:24,633
because it's a simple conjuring
trick that used to be on the back
837
00:50:24,634 --> 00:50:27,052
of the Cornflake boxes when I was a kid.
838
00:50:27,053 --> 00:50:30,305
Heavens to Betsy, look at that.
Would you say that key is bent?
839
00:50:30,306 --> 00:50:32,224
I decided to write a book about him.
840
00:50:32,225 --> 00:50:34,685
I wrote a book, The Truth About Uri Geller,
841
00:50:34,686 --> 00:50:39,231
that hit the market when the
interest in Geller was at its peak.
842
00:50:39,232 --> 00:50:43,152
The psychokinetic energy melts the
molecular structure of the metal.
843
00:50:43,153 --> 00:50:45,030
It seems to be... Oh, my!
844
00:50:47,157 --> 00:50:50,243
- I want it to bend, I just say "bend".
- Oh, my God!
845
00:50:50,244 --> 00:50:52,204
SHE SCREAMS
846
00:50:53,289 --> 00:50:55,582
THEY SCREAM
847
00:50:55,583 --> 00:50:58,251
Randi and Geller just went back
and forth like gladiators.
848
00:50:58,252 --> 00:51:00,795
- It was fun to watch.
- Can you do the spoon-bending trick?
849
00:51:00,796 --> 00:51:03,049
Does Dolly Parton sleep on her back?
850
00:51:05,259 --> 00:51:07,094
There's no heat at all. Touch it.
851
00:51:07,095 --> 00:51:09,471
They wrote that I have laser
beams in my buckle belt
852
00:51:09,472 --> 00:51:11,348
and with that, I bend keys.
853
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:14,560
Look at this. You can actually see
it bending over and turning liquid,
854
00:51:14,561 --> 00:51:16,103
right in front of your eyes.
855
00:51:16,104 --> 00:51:18,814
These things used to be on the
back of Cornflake boxes, Larry,
856
00:51:18,815 --> 00:51:21,650
but apparently some scientists
either don't eat Cornflakes or
857
00:51:21,651 --> 00:51:23,485
they don't read the back of the box.
858
00:51:23,486 --> 00:51:28,158
This is my trademark and you will
NOT find it on any cereal box.
859
00:51:29,409 --> 00:51:32,078
- How did you do that?
- Very well, I thought.
860
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:33,371
It's sleight of hand.
861
00:51:33,372 --> 00:51:35,915
To explain the tricks to you
would give you one solution,
862
00:51:35,916 --> 00:51:38,042
but it wouldn't give you
all of the solutions.
863
00:51:38,043 --> 00:51:40,962
'In many cases, if not most
cases, I simply went on the show
864
00:51:40,963 --> 00:51:42,631
'and did his same routine.'
865
00:51:44,925 --> 00:51:47,594
But then I would get the
MC sometimes saying,
866
00:51:47,595 --> 00:51:50,347
"Oh, yes, well, it's all very
well for magicians to do this,
867
00:51:50,348 --> 00:51:52,807
"but Mr Geller doesn't use magic tricks."
868
00:51:52,808 --> 00:51:55,227
But what about the people who
DO come up with the cards?
869
00:51:55,228 --> 00:51:57,437
Do you hear about the times
they don't come up with them?
870
00:51:57,438 --> 00:52:00,274
Do you know that Uri Geller did
100 tests with sealed envelopes?
871
00:52:00,275 --> 00:52:01,483
You think it's all fake?
872
00:52:01,484 --> 00:52:04,361
What is the difference between what
I did and what Uri Geller did?
873
00:52:04,362 --> 00:52:06,489
Is, uh... because, uh...
874
00:52:08,241 --> 00:52:12,286
Well, I guess I really don't have a...
a... a real answer.
875
00:52:12,287 --> 00:52:16,499
Because magicians can duplicate
some of these things with trickery
876
00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:20,753
does not mean that genuine
psychics do it with trickery.
877
00:52:20,754 --> 00:52:23,840
Anyone can imitate the Mona Lisa,
878
00:52:23,841 --> 00:52:26,342
but that does not make
them Leonardo da Vinci.
879
00:52:26,343 --> 00:52:28,304
You people remember that.
880
00:52:32,433 --> 00:52:36,144
Magicians say, "No, nonsense,
I duped the scientists."
881
00:52:36,145 --> 00:52:39,856
They say I fooled them.
They always find loopholes.
882
00:52:39,857 --> 00:52:41,274
I challenge them and tell them,
883
00:52:41,275 --> 00:52:43,902
"Look, why don't you go
and do it in a laboratory
884
00:52:43,903 --> 00:52:45,697
"the way I was tested?"
885
00:52:49,993 --> 00:52:53,328
My opinion has always been
that parapsychologists,
886
00:52:53,329 --> 00:52:55,748
no matter how well funded,
887
00:52:55,749 --> 00:52:58,292
would not be able to properly judge
888
00:52:58,293 --> 00:53:02,380
where someone has set out to
purposefully deceive them.
889
00:53:02,381 --> 00:53:06,759
And I had come to the conclusion
that the only way to show them
890
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:12,306
would be to perpetrate an outright
hoax by introducing some tricksters
891
00:53:12,307 --> 00:53:15,977
into the laboratory that
I knew I could trust.
892
00:53:15,978 --> 00:53:21,316
I read Randi's book, The Truth About
Uri Geller, and from that book
893
00:53:21,317 --> 00:53:24,778
I was able to put methods together
for bending objects myself,
894
00:53:24,779 --> 00:53:27,989
and I created many of my own methods,
to the point where kids in high
895
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:30,784
school were stealing silverware
and bringing it to me to bend.
896
00:53:30,785 --> 00:53:32,744
And I got so good at it
that I'm not sure why,
897
00:53:32,745 --> 00:53:35,581
but I wrote Randi a letter and I
said, "Look, if you ever need a kid
898
00:53:35,582 --> 00:53:38,041
"to try and fool scientists,
I'd be happy to do so."
899
00:53:38,042 --> 00:53:42,087
After I read The Magic Of Uri
Geller and got to be pretty
900
00:53:42,088 --> 00:53:46,592
proficient as a "psychic
metal bender" myself,
901
00:53:46,593 --> 00:53:50,012
I took it upon myself to
reach out to James Randi.
902
00:53:50,013 --> 00:53:52,139
Oh, Michael, you must be a psychic!
903
00:53:52,140 --> 00:53:55,977
I'm causing that to twist 180
degrees, just like that.
904
00:53:55,978 --> 00:53:59,647
Very shortly after, a very
substantial amount of money
905
00:53:59,648 --> 00:54:03,067
had been offered to a university
906
00:54:03,068 --> 00:54:06,321
to do parapsychological tests.
907
00:54:06,322 --> 00:54:10,200
MacLab was funded by James
McDonnell and he said,
908
00:54:10,201 --> 00:54:13,620
"Go out and find me some star subjects."
909
00:54:13,621 --> 00:54:16,915
And that job fell to a scientist
called Peter Phillips.
910
00:54:16,916 --> 00:54:20,252
We were told that there were 300 applicants
911
00:54:20,253 --> 00:54:24,715
and the MacLab ended up
focusing on only two subjects.
912
00:54:24,716 --> 00:54:27,593
Myself and Steve Shaw.
913
00:54:27,594 --> 00:54:32,140
At that point, Project Alpha
was ready to take off.
914
00:54:35,769 --> 00:54:39,230
I fly into Saint Louis and we didn't
know what we were getting into.
915
00:54:39,231 --> 00:54:41,732
We didn't know if they were
going to have one-way mirrors
916
00:54:41,733 --> 00:54:43,442
with cameras hidden behind them.
917
00:54:43,443 --> 00:54:46,237
We had absolutely no clue what
it was we were getting into.
918
00:54:46,238 --> 00:54:50,575
I was 17 years old. It was my first
semester as a senior in high school.
919
00:54:50,576 --> 00:54:55,079
I'm about to pull some basic magic
on some people that should be
920
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,792
very well skilled and could very
likely see through this quickly.
921
00:54:58,793 --> 00:55:03,004
I might have stepped in a little
bit over my head at that time.
922
00:55:03,005 --> 00:55:06,800
I'm Peter Phillips and here
with me is Mark Shafer.
923
00:55:06,801 --> 00:55:09,803
The tape that you're about
to see consists of a series
924
00:55:09,804 --> 00:55:12,598
of episodes suggestive of psychokinesis.
925
00:55:12,599 --> 00:55:16,226
The subjects in these experiments
are two men of about 21 -
926
00:55:16,227 --> 00:55:18,479
M.E. and S.S.
927
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,733
They presented themselves to us
originally as psychic metal-benders.
928
00:55:22,734 --> 00:55:26,654
I wrote to Professor Phillips
in order to advise him
929
00:55:26,655 --> 00:55:30,408
on how he should observe the Alpha kids.
930
00:55:30,409 --> 00:55:33,995
As a matter of fact, I sent
him a list of 11 rules
931
00:55:33,996 --> 00:55:35,913
in order to keep control of an experiment.
932
00:55:35,914 --> 00:55:39,709
'Don't allow the subjects to alter
the rules established for the tests.
933
00:55:39,710 --> 00:55:42,962
'Don't accept excuses like,
"the vibrations aren't right"
934
00:55:42,963 --> 00:55:45,131
'or "I don't feel right."
935
00:55:45,132 --> 00:55:46,466
'And above all...'
936
00:55:46,467 --> 00:55:48,093
...you need a professional magician
937
00:55:48,094 --> 00:55:51,429
to keep you straightened out
at what might be trickery.
938
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:54,266
It was very quickly, though,
that Steve and I tried to,
939
00:55:54,267 --> 00:55:58,186
almost line by line, get them to
violate every one of those caveats
940
00:55:58,187 --> 00:55:59,813
in one way, shape or form.
941
00:55:59,814 --> 00:56:02,816
Mike, sitting to your right
and dressed in white has just
942
00:56:02,817 --> 00:56:05,819
picked up a spoon that he
will attempt to influence.
943
00:56:05,820 --> 00:56:12,159
One of Randi's caveats was to mark
every item with an indelible mark
944
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,370
or a scratch that couldn't be replicated.
945
00:56:14,371 --> 00:56:16,205
Something that was permanent
946
00:56:16,206 --> 00:56:20,251
and it was something that we
couldn't duplicate on the spot.
947
00:56:20,252 --> 00:56:23,087
The parapsychologists, in
their infinite wisdom,
948
00:56:23,088 --> 00:56:27,884
decided that they would simply
use paper tags with string.
949
00:56:27,885 --> 00:56:31,180
- 'Can I get this tag off here?
- Sure, sure, slide it off.'
950
00:56:32,723 --> 00:56:36,184
We took these paper hanging tags
off of the spoons to make them
951
00:56:36,185 --> 00:56:37,978
easier to work with.
952
00:56:37,979 --> 00:56:41,106
As everybody was focusing on one
spoon it was a simple matter
953
00:56:41,107 --> 00:56:46,111
to lean on the control spoon, and
later, switch those two tags
954
00:56:46,112 --> 00:56:48,739
so the control spoon looked
like the experimental spoon.
955
00:56:48,740 --> 00:56:50,949
Yeah, it's markedly different.
Of course it is!
956
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:52,534
It just went down instead of up.
957
00:56:52,535 --> 00:56:56,456
It didn't feel like anything
at all, but there it is.
958
00:56:57,916 --> 00:57:01,460
We truly believed that if scientists
went in with a pro-biased opinion,
959
00:57:01,461 --> 00:57:04,213
and the majority of parapsychologists
were doing just that,
960
00:57:04,214 --> 00:57:05,965
they would not use proper science.
961
00:57:05,966 --> 00:57:11,846
And if we could replicate what
Geller and SRI had done, in essence,
962
00:57:11,847 --> 00:57:16,851
in terms of established scientific
protocol on testing a psychic,
963
00:57:16,852 --> 00:57:19,187
we could undermine Geller's claims
964
00:57:19,188 --> 00:57:22,315
of being deemed legitimate by scientists.
965
00:57:22,316 --> 00:57:26,820
We have been working first of all,
to establish the range of abilities
966
00:57:26,821 --> 00:57:30,532
that Mike and Steve have because
these have apparently included being
967
00:57:30,533 --> 00:57:34,328
able to move small solid objects
across a table top, influencing
968
00:57:34,329 --> 00:57:39,500
a variety of metal objects such as
keys and metal bars and metal rods.
969
00:57:39,501 --> 00:57:42,002
Sometimes touching and
sometimes at a distance,
970
00:57:42,003 --> 00:57:45,172
and also influencing photographic film.
971
00:57:45,173 --> 00:57:48,843
We were trying to get the
parapsychologists to
972
00:57:48,844 --> 00:57:50,344
break their own rules.
973
00:57:50,345 --> 00:57:56,392
We were then informing Randi of the
ways that we were beating the tests.
974
00:57:56,393 --> 00:58:01,230
Randi in turn was then communicating
it back to the MacLab how to
975
00:58:01,231 --> 00:58:06,694
safeguard their tests so that we
couldn't beat them any longer.
976
00:58:06,695 --> 00:58:09,030
Needless to say, it got very complicated
977
00:58:09,031 --> 00:58:11,825
as we were forced to become
more and more resourceful.
978
00:58:11,826 --> 00:58:15,704
'Another device designed to
illicit PK in a visible manner
979
00:58:15,705 --> 00:58:19,833
'was a lightweight rotor that was
mounted atop a thin metal spindle
980
00:58:19,834 --> 00:58:21,793
'under a glass dome.'
981
00:58:21,794 --> 00:58:26,548
One of the tests was a spindle
with a small rotor on top that had
982
00:58:26,549 --> 00:58:30,177
a glass dome that fit over the
top of this to protect it.
983
00:58:30,178 --> 00:58:34,348
Our jobs were to try to move that rotor
984
00:58:34,349 --> 00:58:37,393
without obviously removing the glass dome.
985
00:58:37,394 --> 00:58:40,021
I thought that was a pretty good test.
986
00:58:40,022 --> 00:58:42,690
It's connected to the base real well.
987
00:58:42,691 --> 00:58:46,527
I really was stumped. Then I look
over to the side of the room
988
00:58:46,528 --> 00:58:51,157
and Steve was concentrating on the
rotor and the rotor starts to move.
989
00:58:51,158 --> 00:58:54,702
Here you see Steve influencing the rotor.
990
00:58:54,703 --> 00:58:58,415
He's causing it to rotate clockwise.
991
00:58:58,416 --> 00:59:01,084
And they said, "Well, to make
sure there is no air currents or
992
00:59:01,085 --> 00:59:03,628
"anything like that, can you
make it move to the right?"
993
00:59:03,629 --> 00:59:06,298
So I start concentrating and
slowly it starts reversing
994
00:59:06,299 --> 00:59:08,133
and it goes to the right.
995
00:59:08,134 --> 00:59:11,720
I had no idea how he was
getting this to work.
996
00:59:11,721 --> 00:59:15,683
And if you look carefully, the
rotor is moving counter-clockwise.
997
00:59:15,684 --> 00:59:17,393
So Mike turns to me and he says,
998
00:59:17,394 --> 00:59:19,770
"Hey, would you like to go
get a drink at the machine?"
999
00:59:19,771 --> 00:59:22,314
I know he wants to know
how I just did this.
1000
00:59:22,315 --> 00:59:23,607
So I go with him down there,
1001
00:59:23,608 --> 00:59:26,360
and he says, "Steve, how the
heck did you just do that?"
1002
00:59:26,361 --> 00:59:29,655
And I said, "Mike, after all these
hours of sitting in that room
1003
00:59:29,656 --> 00:59:33,034
"and concentrating, I just found
out that I'm really a psychic!"
1004
00:59:33,035 --> 00:59:35,870
I think I promptly threw him up
against the wall at that point
1005
00:59:35,871 --> 00:59:40,792
and wanted to know, and it turned
out it was a very simple deception.
1006
00:59:40,793 --> 00:59:44,295
Shortly after that hallway
conversation, both of us
1007
00:59:44,296 --> 00:59:48,008
could magically make the rotor move
any direction that we wanted to,
1008
00:59:48,009 --> 00:59:51,261
and the MacLab personnel never caught on.
1009
00:59:51,262 --> 00:59:53,263
I don't believe they're tricking us,
1010
00:59:53,264 --> 00:59:56,391
especially based on the research
that we've done in the last year,
1011
00:59:56,392 --> 01:00:00,062
where we have exerted as
tight a control condition
1012
01:00:00,063 --> 01:00:03,482
as we could think of, even in
consultation with magicians,
1013
01:00:03,483 --> 01:00:06,235
to see if the influence holds up.
1014
01:00:06,236 --> 01:00:08,863
And we have found evidence that it does,
1015
01:00:08,864 --> 01:00:11,741
not as strongly under these
controlled conditions.
1016
01:00:11,742 --> 01:00:16,454
It's as if somehow, the extra
controls seem to inhibit it,
1017
01:00:16,455 --> 01:00:18,748
but still an effect persists.
1018
01:00:18,749 --> 01:00:20,374
Over the course of Alpha,
1019
01:00:20,375 --> 01:00:22,961
the controls did get significantly tougher
1020
01:00:22,962 --> 01:00:25,964
and the tighter the controls
got, the lower the results got,
1021
01:00:25,965 --> 01:00:29,050
but their faith in us never diminished.
1022
01:00:29,051 --> 01:00:31,845
We do not claim that this tape
provides incontrovertible
1023
01:00:31,846 --> 01:00:33,805
evidence of PK.
1024
01:00:33,806 --> 01:00:36,766
We regard it rather as a provisional tape,
1025
01:00:36,767 --> 01:00:40,604
imperfect, but still with much to offer.
1026
01:00:40,605 --> 01:00:42,731
It was over a four-year period,
1027
01:00:42,732 --> 01:00:46,067
it was about 180 hours total,
that we were at the MacLab.
1028
01:00:46,068 --> 01:00:48,487
And after all those years,
convincing people that I was
1029
01:00:48,488 --> 01:00:53,158
a genuine psychic, I had a huge doubt
about what we were doing
1030
01:00:53,159 --> 01:00:55,744
and how it was going to
affect these people.
1031
01:00:55,745 --> 01:00:58,707
And it came about when there was
a BBC producer,
1032
01:00:58,708 --> 01:01:00,874
a guy by the name of Tony Edwards,
1033
01:01:00,875 --> 01:01:04,878
who said he wanted to capture
our abilities on tape.
1034
01:01:04,879 --> 01:01:08,966
We had taken him from a point
where he was an utter sceptic
1035
01:01:08,967 --> 01:01:12,260
We had then gotten him,
by getting to know him
1036
01:01:12,261 --> 01:01:16,224
and demonstrating our abilities
off camera, to become a believer.
1037
01:01:16,225 --> 01:01:20,437
Randi gave him the same 11 caveats
that he had given the MacLab.
1038
01:01:20,438 --> 01:01:22,981
The difference was Tony took a look
at those and said:
1039
01:01:22,982 --> 01:01:25,860
"OK, I'm going to follow these,
because if I want to convince Randi,"
1040
01:01:25,861 --> 01:01:29,445
"Because if I can convince Randi,
I can convince the rest of the world."
1041
01:01:29,446 --> 01:01:33,574
We were all trying to
record that elusive bend.
1042
01:01:33,575 --> 01:01:36,620
As witnesses, a conjurer,
two metallurgists,
1043
01:01:36,621 --> 01:01:39,998
and three simultaneously
recording TV cameras,
1044
01:01:39,999 --> 01:01:43,419
conditions the benders
were happy to accept.
1045
01:01:45,629 --> 01:01:48,382
After six hours recording, nothing.
1046
01:01:48,383 --> 01:01:50,884
Damn it!
1047
01:01:50,885 --> 01:01:54,847
We sat there all day with Tony.
Nothing happened.
1048
01:01:54,848 --> 01:01:57,516
Absolutely nothing happened during the day.
1049
01:01:57,517 --> 01:01:59,810
The moment the cameras went off
at the end of the day,
1050
01:01:59,811 --> 01:02:03,856
we bent everything in the laboratory,
absolutely everything.
1051
01:02:03,857 --> 01:02:10,029
It's almost as if he had the Holy Grail
in his fingertips,
1052
01:02:10,030 --> 01:02:11,572
and he let it drop.
1053
01:02:11,573 --> 01:02:15,702
Tony Edwards lost it.
Started screaming, started crying,
1054
01:02:15,703 --> 01:02:18,537
ranting, raving, "Randi's the devil!"
1055
01:02:18,538 --> 01:02:21,082
"It's Randi's fault that
I couldn't get this on this tape!"
1056
01:02:21,083 --> 01:02:22,918
"I shouldn't have listened to Randi."
1057
01:02:22,919 --> 01:02:25,629
"I shouldn't have followed Randi's advice.
It's his fault!"
1058
01:02:25,630 --> 01:02:28,298
The man had a mental breakdown.
1059
01:02:28,299 --> 01:02:31,426
It was scary. For two young kids to realise
1060
01:02:31,427 --> 01:02:33,200
that we had hurt somebody like that.
1061
01:02:33,201 --> 01:02:36,098
It was at that point I
think Steve and I realised
1062
01:02:36,099 --> 01:02:37,516
we can't do this any more.
1063
01:02:37,517 --> 01:02:42,564
We can't be responsible for this
kind of psychological damage
1064
01:02:42,565 --> 01:02:45,276
by our ability to trick somebody.
1065
01:02:45,277 --> 01:02:47,444
Randi said, "It's just
a couple more months.
1066
01:02:47,445 --> 01:02:49,322
"We have this TV show coming up,
1067
01:02:49,323 --> 01:02:52,869
"and that's when we want to tell
the world that you're not real."
1068
01:02:54,371 --> 01:02:56,623
Randi, he's really the general.
1069
01:02:56,624 --> 01:02:59,502
You know, the general's rarely
on the front lines anyway.
1070
01:02:59,503 --> 01:03:02,213
And sometimes he's sending
1071
01:03:02,214 --> 01:03:05,592
his minions to do his good works.
1072
01:03:05,593 --> 01:03:10,264
But always at a distance, he's
the one at the strategy table.
1073
01:03:10,265 --> 01:03:14,936
He's got the vision for what will come.
1074
01:03:14,937 --> 01:03:18,066
The big day comes, the one that
Mike and I have been waiting for.
1075
01:03:18,067 --> 01:03:20,568
We're going to reveal that
everything is a hoax.
1076
01:03:20,569 --> 01:03:24,699
I'm going to ask these two
gentlemen a very simple question.
1077
01:03:24,700 --> 01:03:27,577
Can you tell us, how do you do it?
1078
01:03:27,578 --> 01:03:31,248
As I walked up to the microphone
I said, "It's very simple..."
1079
01:03:31,249 --> 01:03:35,045
Well, to be quite honest, we cheat.
1080
01:03:35,046 --> 01:03:38,382
Flash bulbs started going off
and the murmurs started up
1081
01:03:38,383 --> 01:03:42,846
inside of the audience, and Steve
and I then at that point admitted
1082
01:03:42,847 --> 01:03:47,435
that Project Alpha and us as
psychics was nothing more
1083
01:03:47,436 --> 01:03:49,937
than a bit of illusion.
1084
01:03:49,938 --> 01:03:53,442
Magician Amazing Randi, you
have him now on the phone.
1085
01:03:53,443 --> 01:03:55,235
Go ahead, you have the last word.
1086
01:03:55,236 --> 01:03:58,198
I was wondering what he thought
about the claims that this was
1087
01:03:58,199 --> 01:04:01,410
sort of an unethical way of
carrying out this experiment
1088
01:04:01,411 --> 01:04:04,289
and whether or not it's going to
affect the scientific community
1089
01:04:04,290 --> 01:04:06,124
and the parapsychologists negatively?
1090
01:04:06,125 --> 01:04:07,500
I'm happy to say that the
1091
01:04:07,501 --> 01:04:10,504
president of the Parapsychological
Association described it
1092
01:04:10,505 --> 01:04:13,049
as a magnificent experiment
that needed to be done
1093
01:04:13,050 --> 01:04:14,383
and from which the results of
1094
01:04:14,384 --> 01:04:17,346
may benefit everybody, and I think
that's what we headed out to do.
1095
01:04:17,347 --> 01:04:20,057
We also should point that that
the director of that programme
1096
01:04:20,058 --> 01:04:22,561
thought it was a very lousy thing to do.
1097
01:04:22,562 --> 01:04:26,064
He was quoted as saying that you
probably set back the study of it
1098
01:04:26,065 --> 01:04:29,694
- and that it...
- If Phillips said that, then my answer to my having
1099
01:04:29,695 --> 01:04:32,197
set back the study of
parapsychology, is no,
1100
01:04:32,198 --> 01:04:33,783
they tried to set it back.
1101
01:04:33,784 --> 01:04:36,410
I brought it into the 20th century.
1102
01:04:36,411 --> 01:04:39,039
'I felt really bad.'
1103
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,959
They truly believed in these things,
and I thought that if they had
1104
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,880
realised that they had been fooled
by somebody, that they would be
1105
01:04:44,881 --> 01:04:48,176
more cautious in the future, but I
felt bad that I had fooled them.
1106
01:04:51,597 --> 01:04:54,140
So you dropped out kind of in the mid-'70s
1107
01:04:54,141 --> 01:04:56,685
and just resurfaced lately,
what have you been doing?
1108
01:04:56,686 --> 01:04:59,814
At that time I wanted to become rich.
1109
01:04:59,815 --> 01:05:02,234
And I met a very important man
1110
01:05:02,235 --> 01:05:05,821
who was a chairman of the largest
mining company in England
1111
01:05:05,822 --> 01:05:08,283
and he showed me how to use my talents,
1112
01:05:08,284 --> 01:05:11,411
my abilities to look for
oil, gold and mineral.
1113
01:05:11,412 --> 01:05:14,749
- And I was very, I am very successful at it.
- You proved it?
1114
01:05:14,750 --> 01:05:17,460
Exactly, but I am still controversial.
1115
01:05:17,461 --> 01:05:20,798
There are a lot of people who
think I am fake and a magician,
1116
01:05:20,799 --> 01:05:25,804
but all those people I love because
they do free publicity for me.
1117
01:05:25,805 --> 01:05:27,848
Let's try to do the drawing.
1118
01:05:27,849 --> 01:05:31,311
'Do you know how many times the
sceptics tried to shoot me down?'
1119
01:05:31,312 --> 01:05:36,734
Do you know how many times
Randi tried to ruin my career?
1120
01:05:36,735 --> 01:05:38,903
But they failed miserably.
1121
01:05:38,904 --> 01:05:41,823
Pick up the National
Enquirer or any other paper
1122
01:05:41,824 --> 01:05:44,785
and you'll find a billion psychics.
1123
01:05:44,786 --> 01:05:48,582
Look at movies that Hollywood
produces about UFOs
1124
01:05:48,583 --> 01:05:52,544
and the psychic powers
and paranormal activity.
1125
01:05:52,545 --> 01:05:55,006
Are you kidding me? It's
much bigger than ever.
1126
01:05:55,007 --> 01:05:57,467
You are negative, you are
setting up your own standards
1127
01:05:57,468 --> 01:06:00,805
and what you're not understanding is
that the key to realising any kind of
1128
01:06:00,806 --> 01:06:03,141
psychic phenomenon is
first believing in it,
1129
01:06:03,142 --> 01:06:04,559
not the other way around.
1130
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:08,189
Once you believe, it will
happen, it will happen.
1131
01:06:08,190 --> 01:06:12,236
Even you, sir, the
not-so-amazing-Randi, are psychic,
1132
01:06:12,237 --> 01:06:13,987
whether or not you want to believe.
1133
01:06:13,988 --> 01:06:16,615
There are millions and millions
of people upon this planet
1134
01:06:16,616 --> 01:06:18,827
who have other ways of
intuiting and sensing.
1135
01:06:18,828 --> 01:06:21,037
I have never said these
things have not happened.
1136
01:06:21,038 --> 01:06:23,750
Why don't you read a few
papers and correct yourself?
1137
01:06:23,751 --> 01:06:27,754
People think they believe what
they choose to believe. We don't.
1138
01:06:27,755 --> 01:06:30,758
We mostly believe what we NEED to believe.
1139
01:06:30,759 --> 01:06:32,218
You say that Uri Geller is a fake.
1140
01:06:32,219 --> 01:06:34,888
You came here and you've given
everybody a lot of lip service
1141
01:06:34,889 --> 01:06:36,306
and you haven't done anything.
1142
01:06:36,307 --> 01:06:38,934
We're going for a commercial
break and you can piss off!
1143
01:06:38,935 --> 01:06:40,353
We'll be back...
1144
01:06:41,647 --> 01:06:44,733
The public really doesn't listen
1145
01:06:44,734 --> 01:06:48,155
when they are being told
straightforward facts.
1146
01:06:49,281 --> 01:06:53,994
They would rather accept what some
charismatic character tells them
1147
01:06:53,995 --> 01:06:57,456
than really think about
what the truth might be.
1148
01:06:57,457 --> 01:06:59,668
I tell you from now on
you are going to have
1149
01:06:59,669 --> 01:07:02,296
a song of victory in your heart!
1150
01:07:02,297 --> 01:07:05,717
They would rather have the
romance and the lies.
1151
01:07:05,718 --> 01:07:09,890
There are a billion believers out there.
1152
01:07:11,308 --> 01:07:13,726
A billion people believe in God.
1153
01:07:13,727 --> 01:07:16,897
You can't touch that.
1154
01:07:16,898 --> 01:07:18,816
There she goes!
1155
01:07:18,817 --> 01:07:21,445
This is what Randi is trying to do.
1156
01:07:21,446 --> 01:07:24,281
He's trying to say this is a big hoax
1157
01:07:24,282 --> 01:07:26,366
and so everything else is a hoax too.
1158
01:07:26,367 --> 01:07:30,163
He is trying to say that nothing
divine is being spoken.
1159
01:07:30,164 --> 01:07:34,460
But actually our ratings are up.
1160
01:07:34,461 --> 01:07:39,341
And the thing is, Popoff
got back in the business.
1161
01:07:39,342 --> 01:07:42,595
All he changed was he doesn't
use a radio any more.
1162
01:07:42,596 --> 01:07:44,221
He doesn't need to.
1163
01:07:44,222 --> 01:07:47,768
He just does dumber stuff
that people accept anyway.
1164
01:07:47,769 --> 01:07:52,691
This is water from the pool that the
Lord himself led the Christians to
1165
01:07:52,692 --> 01:07:56,279
during the horrible
Chernobyl nuclear accident.
1166
01:07:56,280 --> 01:08:01,576
Tens of thousands died and yet every
Christian was miraculously spared.
1167
01:08:01,577 --> 01:08:04,121
Randi and I once talked about
it and I said, you know,
1168
01:08:04,122 --> 01:08:07,416
maybe were on the wrong end of the
business, we should be on that side.
1169
01:08:07,417 --> 01:08:10,462
I mean, he's making like a
million dollars a month or more
1170
01:08:10,463 --> 01:08:13,340
and I'm not making a
million dollars a month.
1171
01:08:13,341 --> 01:08:16,720
And, if Randi and I got together
we could come up with some really
1172
01:08:16,721 --> 01:08:19,432
nifty tricks that would fool people.
1173
01:08:19,433 --> 01:08:20,893
Con people.
1174
01:08:27,609 --> 01:08:30,903
OK, one, two, three.
1175
01:08:30,904 --> 01:08:35,826
ALL: ♪ Happy birthday, dear Randi
1176
01:08:35,827 --> 01:08:39,914
♪ Happy birthday to you. ♪
1177
01:08:39,915 --> 01:08:41,583
Let her rip, let her rip.
1178
01:08:41,584 --> 01:08:43,169
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
1179
01:08:43,170 --> 01:08:44,879
Let her rip!
1180
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:46,756
APPLAUSE
1181
01:08:46,757 --> 01:08:48,634
Happy birthday, Amazing.
1182
01:08:48,635 --> 01:08:50,010
In the early days, I think
1183
01:08:50,011 --> 01:08:54,014
Randi sort of hid his true
relationship with Jose.
1184
01:08:54,015 --> 01:08:57,477
But I don't think Randi hid
it for any bad reason.
1185
01:08:57,478 --> 01:09:00,106
I think it was just a thing that
people would use against him
1186
01:09:00,107 --> 01:09:03,234
and I think it took Randi a long
time to understand that in this day
1187
01:09:03,235 --> 01:09:06,656
and age, you don't have to
hide those things any more.
1188
01:09:06,657 --> 01:09:10,910
♪ Let me tell you my story about
our birthday boy named Randi
1189
01:09:10,911 --> 01:09:13,998
♪ Who met a guy and
thought he was just dandy
1190
01:09:13,999 --> 01:09:18,795
♪ Well, the first thing you
know, they form a great team
1191
01:09:18,796 --> 01:09:22,090
♪ And both are living the American Dream. ♪
1192
01:09:22,091 --> 01:09:25,303
I remember when Randi came out.
1193
01:09:25,304 --> 01:09:28,556
It was in 2010, at the age of 81.
1194
01:09:28,557 --> 01:09:31,686
I said, "Are you sure, are you sure?"
1195
01:09:31,687 --> 01:09:36,526
But it was just a gesture of
complete honesty out there.
1196
01:09:39,571 --> 01:09:44,493
And, morally, having built a life
1197
01:09:44,494 --> 01:09:48,790
around the fact of telling truth,
1198
01:09:48,791 --> 01:09:52,921
he needed to come out publicly.
1199
01:09:54,047 --> 01:09:59,303
Thank you so much, thank you so much
for coming to Randi's birthday,
1200
01:09:59,304 --> 01:10:03,808
and for being our friends, for
being supportive of both of us.
1201
01:10:03,809 --> 01:10:06,311
And that's it. That's all I got to say.
1202
01:10:06,312 --> 01:10:09,356
APPLAUSE
1203
01:10:09,357 --> 01:10:13,653
'Before, it was all about
becoming invisible.
1204
01:10:13,654 --> 01:10:17,492
'Now it should be exactly the opposite.'
1205
01:10:24,542 --> 01:10:27,712
I was here in the house
1206
01:10:27,713 --> 01:10:32,176
and I looked out the window and I
saw a uniformed officer outside.
1207
01:10:33,637 --> 01:10:35,889
They were all over the place.
1208
01:10:35,890 --> 01:10:39,936
US Marshals and FBI personnel, as well,
1209
01:10:39,937 --> 01:10:44,942
circling around, trying to
prevent anyone from escaping.
1210
01:10:44,943 --> 01:10:46,944
I was terrified.
1211
01:10:46,945 --> 01:10:49,239
I had no idea why they were there.
1212
01:10:51,701 --> 01:10:53,869
I heard rapid knocking at the door.
1213
01:10:53,870 --> 01:10:58,416
I went to the door and
they pushed their way in
1214
01:10:58,417 --> 01:11:01,003
and said, "Where is Jose Alvarez?"
1215
01:11:02,464 --> 01:11:05,884
And they put handcuffs on him
and marched him out the door.
1216
01:11:07,219 --> 01:11:11,141
I just saw him put in a car
and driven out the driveway.
1217
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,761
What a situation. What a situation.
1218
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:46,057
It's so...
1219
01:11:46,058 --> 01:11:48,144
very disturbing.
1220
01:11:49,229 --> 01:11:53,691
When the police showed up
and arrested my partner
1221
01:11:53,692 --> 01:11:56,111
and took him away in
handcuffs, I was desperate.
1222
01:11:56,112 --> 01:12:00,241
I just... I was standing
at the edge of the dock
1223
01:12:00,242 --> 01:12:03,995
and there were no ships around and I
was about to fall into the water.
1224
01:12:03,996 --> 01:12:06,708
I didn't know what to do.
1225
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:09,586
No matter what his name
is, I know who he is,
1226
01:12:09,587 --> 01:12:12,673
and I know what he is as well.
1227
01:12:12,674 --> 01:12:14,634
And he's my partner.
1228
01:12:14,635 --> 01:12:17,429
He's very, very important to me.
1229
01:12:31,655 --> 01:12:37,287
For the last 25 years, everybody
has known me as Jose Alvarez.
1230
01:12:38,830 --> 01:12:42,543
But, in reality, my real name
1231
01:12:42,544 --> 01:12:45,171
is Deyvi Orangel Pena Arteaga.
1232
01:12:47,216 --> 01:12:49,926
I was born in Venezuela.
1233
01:12:49,927 --> 01:12:52,220
I was raised in Caracas.
1234
01:12:52,221 --> 01:12:54,724
And in Venezuela, to be gay
1235
01:12:54,725 --> 01:13:00,231
is the most despicable
thing that you can be.
1236
01:13:00,232 --> 01:13:03,109
You knew that everybody
that was your friend,
1237
01:13:03,110 --> 01:13:06,363
or your loved one or whatever,
they would turn against you.
1238
01:13:06,364 --> 01:13:08,532
That's for sure.
1239
01:13:08,533 --> 01:13:10,995
I just knew that I should hide it.
1240
01:13:12,830 --> 01:13:16,668
When I was 16 years old I was at a party
1241
01:13:16,669 --> 01:13:19,629
and three guys came and
grabbed me from behind
1242
01:13:19,630 --> 01:13:22,049
and one of them put a gun to my head
1243
01:13:22,050 --> 01:13:25,011
and started just yelling
all kinds of things.
1244
01:13:25,012 --> 01:13:28,098
"The little faggot," and so on, and so on.
1245
01:13:28,099 --> 01:13:31,644
I said, "I have to get out of
here or I will be killed."
1246
01:13:32,854 --> 01:13:36,566
And I came here to study art
1247
01:13:36,567 --> 01:13:39,236
and I started seeing like, wow.
1248
01:13:39,237 --> 01:13:43,741
I don't have to be like, you know, who
is looking at me? I have to hide.
1249
01:13:43,742 --> 01:13:47,204
But still it stays in your brain,
1250
01:13:47,205 --> 01:13:50,375
that in order to survive,
I needed to pretend.
1251
01:13:52,086 --> 01:13:56,424
But I just didn't have any
way to stay in this country.
1252
01:13:57,677 --> 01:14:00,429
And then I met Randi.
1253
01:14:03,267 --> 01:14:07,313
So, I actually found someone
who got a name for me...
1254
01:14:09,941 --> 01:14:14,279
...and they told me that
this person was deceased,
1255
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:17,700
and that this name didn't belong to anyone.
1256
01:14:19,911 --> 01:14:25,041
So I wrestled with that
situation for quite a while
1257
01:14:25,042 --> 01:14:27,503
whether to go ahead with this.
1258
01:14:27,504 --> 01:14:30,340
But I just didn't have any choice.
1259
01:14:30,341 --> 01:14:33,678
So I decided to do it, to take the name.
1260
01:14:34,805 --> 01:14:38,642
But I wasn't really that aware
of what I was doing, you know.
1261
01:14:38,643 --> 01:14:40,687
The thing snowballed.
1262
01:14:41,938 --> 01:14:45,442
One of these three men
pretended to be possessed.
1263
01:14:45,443 --> 01:14:47,944
Number two, what is your name, please?
1264
01:14:47,945 --> 01:14:50,239
My name is Jose Alvarez.
1265
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:53,743
Only one of these people
is the real Jose Alvarez
1266
01:14:53,744 --> 01:14:57,833
and is the only one sworn
To Tell The Truth.
1267
01:15:00,669 --> 01:15:04,006
Trying to escape such a terrible situation,
1268
01:15:04,007 --> 01:15:07,261
I kind of got jailed in a different one.
1269
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,142
With the Jose Alvarez identity,
1270
01:15:13,143 --> 01:15:15,603
I applied for a passport under that name
1271
01:15:15,604 --> 01:15:19,650
and then I went to Australia
to play the Carlos Hoax.
1272
01:15:19,651 --> 01:15:23,988
And I just set off to train him
to be a so-called channeller.
1273
01:15:23,989 --> 01:15:28,827
I have lived through many reincarnations.
1274
01:15:28,828 --> 01:15:31,581
My last one was in Venezuela.
1275
01:15:31,582 --> 01:15:34,000
Also keep very wide, keep very wide,
1276
01:15:34,001 --> 01:15:36,003
cos you're going to be on a big stage.
1277
01:15:36,004 --> 01:15:39,882
He learned fast and we were
using the Peter Popoff method.
1278
01:15:39,883 --> 01:15:43,220
I've heard you described as
a fraud and a charlatan.
1279
01:15:43,221 --> 01:15:45,181
That's a very rude comment.
1280
01:15:45,182 --> 01:15:47,559
Well, that's a very rude comment.
1281
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:48,852
He did a wonderful job,
1282
01:15:48,853 --> 01:15:51,730
but, after all, that's the
kind of thing he does well.
1283
01:15:51,731 --> 01:15:55,735
I am using this body, Jose Alvarez.
1284
01:15:55,736 --> 01:15:59,323
He is an artist in the United States.
1285
01:15:59,324 --> 01:16:02,619
The whole thing was totally
against my persona.
1286
01:16:03,871 --> 01:16:06,749
I knew that I was playing
this fictitious character.
1287
01:16:06,750 --> 01:16:09,836
I just felt, I just felt like a phoney.
1288
01:16:11,255 --> 01:16:13,800
You know, but I have to go on with it.
1289
01:16:21,851 --> 01:16:24,062
No! No!
1290
01:16:26,106 --> 01:16:30,862
It turned out that there was a
real person named Jose Alvarez...
1291
01:16:32,406 --> 01:16:37,995
...and he decided to apply for a
passport after 25 years of me
1292
01:16:37,996 --> 01:16:40,081
living with this identity.
1293
01:16:40,082 --> 01:16:42,083
The moment of truth is about to arrive.
1294
01:16:42,084 --> 01:16:45,714
Will the real Jose Alvarez please stand up?
1295
01:16:48,300 --> 01:16:52,222
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
1296
01:16:55,392 --> 01:16:59,062
The problem is, once you start to
tell people that you're genuine,
1297
01:16:59,063 --> 01:17:03,193
it's really hard to step away from
that because you've lied to people.
1298
01:17:03,194 --> 01:17:04,778
You've lied to their face.
1299
01:17:04,779 --> 01:17:07,948
It was extremely difficult when
I was fooling the scientists.
1300
01:17:07,949 --> 01:17:12,662
You know, at first I saw them as the enemy.
It was me against the enemy.
1301
01:17:12,663 --> 01:17:16,501
- But over time, they become your friends.
- Were we violating laws?
1302
01:17:17,836 --> 01:17:20,547
Probably. Was it fraud in some cases?
1303
01:17:20,548 --> 01:17:22,132
Most definitely.
1304
01:17:22,133 --> 01:17:24,676
Did we look at it that way at the time?
1305
01:17:24,677 --> 01:17:27,013
I don't think any of us did,
1306
01:17:27,014 --> 01:17:29,767
because we thought the
ends justified the means.
1307
01:17:31,143 --> 01:17:33,855
Deception has so many layers.
1308
01:17:33,856 --> 01:17:36,399
I mean, you have the zenith of deception
1309
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:38,569
and people go to jail for that.
1310
01:17:38,570 --> 01:17:41,238
But then you have magicians.
1311
01:17:41,239 --> 01:17:43,699
They manipulate the truth.
1312
01:17:43,700 --> 01:17:46,871
They are in the business
of deceiving people.
1313
01:17:48,081 --> 01:17:50,708
Alpha and Carlos and Popoff,
1314
01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:53,420
these incredible revelations of deception,
1315
01:17:53,421 --> 01:17:57,967
they're actually sort of giant
cons in their own sense, right?
1316
01:17:57,968 --> 01:18:00,304
But they're cons on the right side.
1317
01:18:01,556 --> 01:18:03,974
This is what it means to be an honest liar.
1318
01:18:03,975 --> 01:18:08,313
It's the difference between using
deception to conceal the truth,
1319
01:18:08,314 --> 01:18:11,568
and using deception to reveal the truth.
1320
01:18:14,071 --> 01:18:17,782
Up until now, you haven't really said
1321
01:18:17,783 --> 01:18:21,871
anything about Jose being Deyvi.
1322
01:18:21,872 --> 01:18:24,833
- Here's where I'd like to start.
- OK.
1323
01:18:24,834 --> 01:18:28,462
I think it would be good if
you said something like,
1324
01:18:28,463 --> 01:18:32,134
"I feel I should come clean."
1325
01:18:32,135 --> 01:18:35,512
- No, no, no, no. That admits guilt.
- OK.
1326
01:18:35,513 --> 01:18:38,433
I should make something clear.
1327
01:18:38,434 --> 01:18:40,393
That's much better.
1328
01:18:40,394 --> 01:18:43,147
Are you afraid of the ramifications?
1329
01:18:43,148 --> 01:18:47,111
I have all kinds of fear of that, yes.
1330
01:18:48,238 --> 01:18:50,614
Fear of what? I'm not clear.
1331
01:18:50,615 --> 01:18:54,786
If I don't have to say, "Yes, I
knew that he had a false identity
1332
01:18:54,787 --> 01:18:58,958
"and he perpetrated it...
on the American nation"...
1333
01:19:00,336 --> 01:19:03,380
...I don't want to say that!
1334
01:19:03,381 --> 01:19:06,050
Look at what he was going through.
1335
01:19:06,051 --> 01:19:07,760
He was going through hell.
1336
01:19:07,761 --> 01:19:09,846
If he went back to Venezuela, he would...
1337
01:19:09,847 --> 01:19:15,060
He would be constantly
victimised and abused and
1338
01:19:15,061 --> 01:19:17,773
attacked.
1339
01:19:17,774 --> 01:19:19,316
No, I couldn't see that.
1340
01:19:19,317 --> 01:19:21,318
I...
1341
01:19:21,319 --> 01:19:24,406
I had to accept what I saw happening.
1342
01:19:25,574 --> 01:19:29,579
No, none of this must be used.
I mean, really. I...
1343
01:19:29,580 --> 01:19:33,040
If I thought that any
of this would be used,
1344
01:19:33,041 --> 01:19:35,252
I would abandon the film entirely.
1345
01:19:35,253 --> 01:19:37,922
- No, no, no, no.
- But I'm being honest with you.
1346
01:19:37,923 --> 01:19:40,842
Now, I'm being taped at the same
time and I have to trust you.
1347
01:19:40,843 --> 01:19:44,888
- OK, well...
- And I will and I do.
- But we had discussed this.
1348
01:19:44,889 --> 01:19:49,602
I'm willing to say the story
that I gave you on this camera.
1349
01:19:49,603 --> 01:19:52,440
That's fine, OK. I'm not asking
you to do anything else.
1350
01:19:52,441 --> 01:19:56,819
- But I want the rest of it to vanish, please.
- This last part?
1351
01:19:56,820 --> 01:19:59,532
Yes, understood, understood.
1352
01:20:01,242 --> 01:20:03,454
No worries.
1353
01:20:05,748 --> 01:20:08,960
- I trust you or I wouldn't be doing this.
- Thank you.
1354
01:20:14,467 --> 01:20:17,763
We all spin personal narratives.
1355
01:20:19,181 --> 01:20:21,850
And so when an event happens
that doesn't fit this idea that
1356
01:20:21,851 --> 01:20:25,062
he's this amazing truth-teller and so on,
1357
01:20:25,063 --> 01:20:27,899
then something has to happen to
that event and, like everyone,
1358
01:20:27,900 --> 01:20:31,362
he may well change a few facts
around or rub it out completely.
1359
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:40,040
In entertainment, there is a kind
of acceptability to deceive.
1360
01:20:41,333 --> 01:20:45,671
It's like when there are two
Picasso paintings on the wall.
1361
01:20:45,672 --> 01:20:49,258
One is a fake, and the other one is real,
1362
01:20:49,259 --> 01:20:51,261
but they look the same.
1363
01:20:51,262 --> 01:20:52,722
There's no harm in that.
1364
01:20:54,766 --> 01:20:59,063
At the end of the day,
there's nothing to reveal.
1365
01:21:01,023 --> 01:21:04,193
Because what I do is real.
1366
01:21:04,194 --> 01:21:05,737
What you do is real.
1367
01:21:26,513 --> 01:21:30,225
I think I slept last night.
Some part of it, anyway.
1368
01:21:37,318 --> 01:21:41,072
Today, officially, we'll find
out what the judge has to say.
1369
01:21:43,242 --> 01:21:45,077
It's got to be the right thing.
1370
01:21:49,207 --> 01:21:52,252
Or I don't know what I'm
going to do, or what...
1371
01:21:53,587 --> 01:21:55,465
...what Jose is going to do.
1372
01:22:00,221 --> 01:22:03,473
He's specifically an immigration judge,
1373
01:22:03,474 --> 01:22:06,937
and he apparently likes to...
1374
01:22:09,523 --> 01:22:10,733
...suggest removal.
1375
01:22:12,694 --> 01:22:14,529
That would be the end of him.
1376
01:22:24,917 --> 01:22:29,506
The end of him and the end
of us, automatically.
1377
01:22:31,133 --> 01:22:33,719
His life literally hangs in the balance.
1378
01:22:36,973 --> 01:22:38,641
And I feel somehow that
1379
01:22:38,642 --> 01:22:42,563
I've got to come out with
some rabbit-out-of-the-hat
1380
01:22:42,564 --> 01:22:46,275
to try to get him back
here where he belongs
1381
01:22:46,276 --> 01:22:48,613
and not behind bars.
1382
01:23:19,441 --> 01:23:23,696
I was just in a state of total suspension,
1383
01:23:23,697 --> 01:23:27,367
you know, just waiting for him
to say what the sentence was.
1384
01:23:27,368 --> 01:23:31,247
It was something I had hoped
for, that we'd all hoped for.
1385
01:23:33,834 --> 01:23:35,043
We won.
1386
01:23:35,044 --> 01:23:36,879
We won this one.
1387
01:23:50,228 --> 01:23:53,858
People were really beautiful talking.
1388
01:24:03,662 --> 01:24:07,082
I'm not really sure how I feel,
but I'm feeling very, uh...
1389
01:24:09,169 --> 01:24:12,547
...thankful. That's how
I feel, very thankful.
1390
01:24:13,591 --> 01:24:16,844
I'm not one person, I've got a partner.
1391
01:24:16,845 --> 01:24:20,807
For the last quarter of a
century, I've had this partner.
1392
01:24:20,808 --> 01:24:23,351
We're one element.
1393
01:24:23,352 --> 01:24:26,856
And I have never hesitated
to reach out to help him
1394
01:24:26,857 --> 01:24:29,151
in every possible way.
1395
01:24:31,404 --> 01:24:33,614
I know Randi.
1396
01:24:33,615 --> 01:24:37,286
He has a mission out there in the world,
1397
01:24:37,287 --> 01:24:42,458
as The Amazing Randi. But his compassion...
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01:24:42,459 --> 01:24:49,676
People don't know how much he cares
when he sees someone in distress.
1399
01:24:50,886 --> 01:24:55,140
And it's not just on a social level
1400
01:24:55,141 --> 01:24:57,351
but also on a personal level.
1401
01:24:57,352 --> 01:25:02,900
And I include myself
specifically in that equation,
1402
01:25:02,901 --> 01:25:06,029
that he...
1403
01:25:06,030 --> 01:25:11,077
he will do what is necessary
to save somebody.
1404
01:25:16,333 --> 01:25:18,253
Don't worry about it, yeah.
1405
01:25:21,715 --> 01:25:25,886
- Here?
- Yeah. No, a little bit further, over here.
1406
01:25:25,887 --> 01:25:29,432
- Here? OK.
- OK...
1407
01:25:29,433 --> 01:25:31,518
- OK.
- Great.
1408
01:25:31,519 --> 01:25:34,771
What do you think? No? Yeah?
1409
01:25:34,772 --> 01:25:36,274
Randi said years ago,
1410
01:25:36,275 --> 01:25:39,653
"There is nothing that a man can
make that I can't get out of."
1411
01:25:41,448 --> 01:25:43,991
That line is actually a Houdini line.
1412
01:25:43,992 --> 01:25:46,661
And the difference was
that Houdini, you know,
1413
01:25:46,662 --> 01:25:48,372
if someone ever did bring something,
1414
01:25:48,373 --> 01:25:50,958
like a pair of handcuffs that
no way he could get out,
1415
01:25:50,959 --> 01:25:53,545
Houdini's guys, his goons,
would take the guy out back
1416
01:25:53,546 --> 01:25:55,255
and beat the crap out of the guy
1417
01:25:55,256 --> 01:25:57,716
and the audience never saw the guy again.
1418
01:25:57,717 --> 01:25:59,510
But I bet you anything,
1419
01:25:59,511 --> 01:26:03,223
Randi truly believed there was
nothing he couldn't get out of.
1420
01:26:04,267 --> 01:26:08,395
Or make it at least seem like
he was getting out of them.
1421
01:26:08,396 --> 01:26:10,191
And I'll quote him directly.
1422
01:26:11,359 --> 01:26:12,652
"I'm a magician.
1423
01:26:13,861 --> 01:26:16,865
"I know how to deceive people,
1424
01:26:16,866 --> 01:26:20,578
"and I know how to recognise
when people are being deceived.
1425
01:26:22,497 --> 01:26:26,626
"I can cheat you countless
different ways and you won't know.
1426
01:26:26,627 --> 01:26:28,004
"You won't catch me."
1427
01:26:29,923 --> 01:26:32,716
Some people cannot believe that
1428
01:26:32,717 --> 01:26:37,931
a magician can fool them in such a
way that they can't figure it out.
1429
01:26:37,932 --> 01:26:40,686
But magicians can and magicians do.
1430
01:26:41,937 --> 01:26:44,439
Don't be too sure of yourself.
1431
01:26:44,440 --> 01:26:49,571
No matter how smart or well educated
you are, you can be deceived.
1432
01:26:58,318 --> 01:27:00,929
MUSIC: The Magic Touch by The Platters
1433
01:27:01,530 --> 01:27:06,635
♪ You've got the magic touch
1434
01:27:08,136 --> 01:27:13,349
♪ It makes me glow so much... ♪
1435
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:17,322
♪ It casts a spell, it rings
a bell, the magic touch
1436
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:19,996
OK, that's weird. This
is all that I'm getting.
1437
01:27:19,997 --> 01:27:21,589
I have no clue what this is.
1438
01:27:22,513 --> 01:27:28,185
♪ Oh, when I feel your charm
1439
01:27:28,186 --> 01:27:31,816
♪ It's like a four alarm... ♪
1440
01:27:32,698 --> 01:27:37,091
♪ You make me feel so much
1441
01:27:37,674 --> 01:27:41,594
♪ You've got the magic touch
1442
01:27:42,495 --> 01:27:43,191
♪ Here I go reeling
1443
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:47,477
My jewellery are a catalyst
to the powers of your mind.
1444
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:49,519
- Yes.
- It's all in the mind.
1445
01:27:49,592 --> 01:27:53,883
♪ I'm feeling the glow
1446
01:27:54,784 --> 01:28:02,784
♪ But where can I go from you?
1447
01:28:03,104 --> 01:28:08,693
♪ I didn't know too much
1448
01:28:08,694 --> 01:28:12,906
♪ And then I felt your touch
1449
01:28:12,907 --> 01:28:16,619
♪ And now I've learned
1450
01:28:16,620 --> 01:28:19,790
♪ I can return
1451
01:28:19,791 --> 01:28:26,924
♪ The magic touch. ♪
1452
01:28:30,053 --> 01:28:32,598
APPLAUSE
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