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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:33,300 --> 00:00:37,558 Hey Siri, send a message to Cheryl. 2 00:00:37,599 --> 00:00:38,872 Front reception. 3 00:00:40,688 --> 00:00:41,836 What do you want to say? 4 00:00:43,193 --> 00:00:45,822 Amos is already heading there to pick him up, period. 5 00:00:45,864 --> 00:00:47,909 Please forward any calls I get to Brady, period. 6 00:00:49,119 --> 00:00:50,830 Your message to Cheryl front reception 7 00:00:50,873 --> 00:00:53,085 says Amos is already heading there to pick him up. 8 00:00:53,126 --> 00:00:54,670 Please forward any calls I get to Brady. 9 00:00:55,255 --> 00:00:56,370 Ready to send it? 10 00:00:56,466 --> 00:00:57,696 Yes. 11 00:00:58,510 --> 00:01:00,118 Okay, it's sent. 12 00:01:01,433 --> 00:01:02,747 Hey, Siri, 13 00:01:04,522 --> 00:01:06,274 how do you know if you're doing the right thing? 14 00:01:08,362 --> 00:01:09,968 I'm not sure I understand. 15 00:01:13,496 --> 00:01:14,527 But what do you believe 16 00:01:14,622 --> 00:01:16,250 is the difference between right and wrong? 17 00:01:18,296 --> 00:01:19,410 Hmm. 18 00:01:19,506 --> 00:01:21,163 I don't have an answer for that. 19 00:01:21,259 --> 00:01:23,032 Would you like me to search the web? 20 00:01:23,554 --> 00:01:24,743 No. 21 00:01:25,683 --> 00:01:27,645 Okay, is there something else I can help with? 22 00:01:36,827 --> 00:01:38,330 Set a reminder to pick up Kyle 23 00:01:38,372 --> 00:01:40,459 from therapy tomorrow at 4:45. 24 00:01:42,337 --> 00:01:43,799 Okay, I'll remind you. 25 00:02:04,793 --> 00:02:07,006 Hi, special agent Deena Helms. 26 00:02:07,047 --> 00:02:07,994 You've already met Agent McCullough. 27 00:02:08,090 --> 00:02:09,372 You can call me Amos. 28 00:02:09,467 --> 00:02:12,097 -Uh, agents? -Have a seat for us, Gareth. 29 00:02:14,686 --> 00:02:16,542 Do you mind answering a couple questions? 30 00:02:17,566 --> 00:02:19,569 Great, this shouldn't take long. 31 00:02:21,447 --> 00:02:23,534 You're from Tampa, right? 32 00:02:26,039 --> 00:02:27,853 Don't overthink it. It's a yes or no. 33 00:02:28,751 --> 00:02:29,866 Yeah. 34 00:02:29,962 --> 00:02:31,201 How old are you, Gareth? 35 00:02:31,297 --> 00:02:32,078 29. 36 00:02:32,174 --> 00:02:33,719 What do you do for work? 37 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:34,958 I'm sorry, am I being detained? 38 00:02:35,054 --> 00:02:36,211 No, not at all. 39 00:02:36,306 --> 00:02:38,101 We're just asking questions, background stuff. 40 00:02:39,270 --> 00:02:40,876 You work on movies, right? 41 00:02:41,273 --> 00:02:42,546 Special effects. 42 00:02:43,444 --> 00:02:44,641 Someone told me you worked 43 00:02:44,737 --> 00:02:46,103 on that new "Star Wars" movie, is that right? 44 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:47,355 Who told you that? 45 00:02:47,451 --> 00:02:49,162 Why don't you tell us more about it? 46 00:02:49,204 --> 00:02:50,602 Tell us about your work. 47 00:02:52,584 --> 00:02:54,421 I used to do VFX for an animation company. 48 00:02:54,463 --> 00:02:55,411 I've worked on at least 20 different films. 49 00:02:55,507 --> 00:02:56,663 Used to? 50 00:02:56,759 --> 00:02:57,915 I've been focusing more 51 00:02:58,011 --> 00:02:59,084 on software engineering recently for years- 52 00:02:59,180 --> 00:03:00,766 Sounds boring compared to light sabers. 53 00:03:00,807 --> 00:03:01,922 Why quit? 54 00:03:02,017 --> 00:03:03,007 I wasn't getting paid well. 55 00:03:03,103 --> 00:03:04,259 But money's not an issue for you. 56 00:03:04,355 --> 00:03:05,428 Excuse me? 57 00:03:05,524 --> 00:03:06,304 What kind of effects did you do? 58 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:07,640 Money's not an issue for me? 59 00:03:07,736 --> 00:03:08,809 -Let's talk aboutIf money wasn't an issue for me 60 00:03:08,904 --> 00:03:09,852 I wouldn't have applied for your grant. 61 00:03:09,948 --> 00:03:11,054 I didn't mean to suggest anything. 62 00:03:11,868 --> 00:03:13,559 Tell us what kind of effects you did. 63 00:03:16,293 --> 00:03:17,795 My main focus was on 3D renderings. 64 00:03:17,837 --> 00:03:18,827 Of what? 65 00:03:18,923 --> 00:03:20,320 -Actors. -What for? 66 00:03:20,591 --> 00:03:21,748 Well, for "Star Wars," 67 00:03:21,844 --> 00:03:23,209 it was because the actor I was tasked to digitize 68 00:03:23,305 --> 00:03:25,120 was unavailable to be filmed in person. 69 00:03:25,350 --> 00:03:26,330 Why? 70 00:03:27,311 --> 00:03:28,584 Because they were dead. 71 00:03:30,025 --> 00:03:31,339 What'd they have you do? 72 00:03:32,947 --> 00:03:35,034 I reconstructed Alec Guinness' face as a 3D model. 73 00:03:35,075 --> 00:03:36,578 I analyzed reference footage, 74 00:03:36,620 --> 00:03:38,373 then used a process called D-Term to procedurally generate 75 00:03:38,414 --> 00:03:39,529 his bone and muscle structures, 76 00:03:39,625 --> 00:03:40,865 which one rigged helped the animation feel 77 00:03:40,961 --> 00:03:42,117 more natural and human-like. 78 00:03:42,213 --> 00:03:44,300 D-Term, I've never heard of that process before. 79 00:03:44,341 --> 00:03:45,623 Because I invented it. 80 00:03:45,719 --> 00:03:46,541 So you're basically bringing 81 00:03:46,637 --> 00:03:47,794 dead actors back to life? 82 00:03:47,890 --> 00:03:49,212 I just tried to make the CG characters look as 83 00:03:49,308 --> 00:03:50,853 photorealistic as the technology at the time would allow. 84 00:03:50,894 --> 00:03:52,209 You didn't find it creepy? 85 00:03:52,731 --> 00:03:53,962 I'm sorry, what? 86 00:03:54,484 --> 00:03:55,882 I said you don't find that creepy? 87 00:03:57,948 --> 00:04:00,244 Well, we did our best to cross the uncanny valley. 88 00:04:00,286 --> 00:04:01,788 But when the human brain perceives 89 00:04:01,830 --> 00:04:02,945 that something is just slightly off and it doesn't matter- 90 00:04:03,041 --> 00:04:03,947 No, I mean, digitizing dead people. 91 00:04:04,043 --> 00:04:05,074 Christ, I mean, it's, 92 00:04:05,170 --> 00:04:06,409 it's almost like turning someone's corpse 93 00:04:06,505 --> 00:04:07,536 into a marionette, you know? 94 00:04:07,632 --> 00:04:09,239 Making them do whatever you want. 95 00:04:09,344 --> 00:04:10,458 What if the poor dead guy 96 00:04:10,554 --> 00:04:12,411 didn't want to be in another fucking movie? 97 00:04:12,724 --> 00:04:13,964 It's so macabre. 98 00:04:14,060 --> 00:04:15,049 Am I crazy? Is it not macabre? 99 00:04:15,145 --> 00:04:16,135 I don't think the studio cares 100 00:04:16,230 --> 00:04:17,261 whether it's macabre or not. 101 00:04:17,357 --> 00:04:18,431 Look, I can never tell the difference. 102 00:04:18,526 --> 00:04:19,987 I always can. The faces look like Play-Doh. 103 00:04:20,028 --> 00:04:21,059 Well, we did our best. 104 00:04:21,155 --> 00:04:22,187 Soon we won't even need actors, right? 105 00:04:22,283 --> 00:04:23,481 Everyone will just be digital. 106 00:04:23,577 --> 00:04:25,163 No, you still need them for motion tracking. 107 00:04:25,204 --> 00:04:27,124 Human performances can't be completely computer generated. 108 00:04:27,166 --> 00:04:28,647 How long will that be true? 109 00:04:32,175 --> 00:04:33,970 Some might say we've already crossed that threshold. 110 00:04:35,723 --> 00:04:37,079 I wouldn't know. 111 00:04:39,563 --> 00:04:40,678 Where'd you go to school? 112 00:04:40,773 --> 00:04:42,318 -Brooks-DeBartolo High. -And after? 113 00:04:44,112 --> 00:04:45,268 Nothing? 114 00:04:45,364 --> 00:04:46,145 What about Columbia? 115 00:04:46,241 --> 00:04:47,597 Didn't you go to Columbia? 116 00:04:49,371 --> 00:04:50,736 Wait, no. You dropped out of Columbia 117 00:04:50,832 --> 00:04:53,003 after how many semesters? 118 00:04:53,545 --> 00:04:54,776 Three? 119 00:04:56,509 --> 00:04:59,264 Bjarne Stroustrup said 120 00:04:59,305 --> 00:05:00,912 you were the smartest kid he ever met. 121 00:05:01,894 --> 00:05:04,481 I don't know who he is, but Amos says it's a big deal. 122 00:05:05,734 --> 00:05:07,214 Then you moved to the Netherlands, 123 00:05:07,487 --> 00:05:08,947 spent some time as an intern, 124 00:05:09,657 --> 00:05:11,305 applied and got into Cambridge. 125 00:05:11,535 --> 00:05:12,691 Very nice. 126 00:05:12,787 --> 00:05:14,477 Except that you dropped out after two years. 127 00:05:15,041 --> 00:05:16,114 Flew back to the States, 128 00:05:16,210 --> 00:05:18,505 interned in Palo Alto, then Montreal. 129 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:19,996 Then went all the way back to England, 130 00:05:20,091 --> 00:05:21,456 where you landed a job in Sheffield. 131 00:05:21,552 --> 00:05:23,181 Second job in Manchester. 132 00:05:23,723 --> 00:05:26,311 Then got into Oxford where you almost finished your masters 133 00:05:26,352 --> 00:05:27,468 before ditching the graduation 134 00:05:27,563 --> 00:05:29,461 and moving back here to Florida. 135 00:05:33,490 --> 00:05:35,055 If money was an issue, 136 00:05:36,370 --> 00:05:38,040 I'm glad you had plenty of flyer miles. 137 00:05:40,044 --> 00:05:41,650 I didn't hear a question. 138 00:05:42,297 --> 00:05:43,528 What's your social life like? 139 00:05:44,217 --> 00:05:45,928 My, what does that have anything to do- 140 00:05:45,970 --> 00:05:47,293 If you don't want to talk about it, that's fine. 141 00:05:47,389 --> 00:05:48,545 We just wanted to know if you have friends and stuff. 142 00:05:48,641 --> 00:05:50,144 -I have friends. -A lot of them? 143 00:05:50,185 --> 00:05:51,300 -I have friends. -Can you name one? 144 00:05:51,396 --> 00:05:52,428 -Can I what? -Can you tell us the nam 145 00:05:52,524 --> 00:05:54,047 of just one of your friends? 146 00:05:54,485 --> 00:05:56,488 -Steve. -Steve. Steve what? 147 00:05:56,530 --> 00:05:57,728 I don't know how this is relevant to receiving the grant. 148 00:05:57,824 --> 00:05:59,598 Oh, we're just getting to know you, Gareth. 149 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,475 You got a girlfriend? 150 00:06:01,581 --> 00:06:02,853 Boyfriend? 151 00:06:03,084 --> 00:06:04,795 You, uh, talk to people online? 152 00:06:04,836 --> 00:06:05,826 I don't know what you mean by that. 153 00:06:05,921 --> 00:06:07,078 I don't use social media. 154 00:06:07,174 --> 00:06:08,697 I mean more like chat rooms. 155 00:06:12,892 --> 00:06:14,624 You go on any chat rooms? 156 00:06:18,819 --> 00:06:20,592 No one uses chat rooms anymore. 157 00:06:20,822 --> 00:06:21,928 Sure they do. 158 00:06:23,494 --> 00:06:24,934 You chat with anyone online? 159 00:06:27,084 --> 00:06:28,690 -Sometimes. -Sometimes. 160 00:06:29,671 --> 00:06:31,341 What kinds of people do you talk to online? 161 00:06:33,386 --> 00:06:37,309 Gareth, obviously, this isn't about a grant. 162 00:06:38,478 --> 00:06:40,085 We need to know what your alias is. 163 00:06:41,108 --> 00:06:42,945 When you go online, what name do you use? 164 00:06:42,986 --> 00:06:44,100 I don't have one. 165 00:06:44,196 --> 00:06:45,427 Yes, you do. 166 00:06:45,949 --> 00:06:47,181 And you need to tell us what it is. 167 00:06:52,294 --> 00:06:53,817 Sorry, I can't help you. 168 00:07:03,814 --> 00:07:05,295 You know who we are? 169 00:07:06,819 --> 00:07:08,405 Well, this is the ICWL building. 170 00:07:08,447 --> 00:07:10,262 That's right. You know what we do? 171 00:07:11,118 --> 00:07:12,149 Humanitarian work. 172 00:07:12,245 --> 00:07:13,610 That's what the people upstairs do. 173 00:07:13,706 --> 00:07:15,396 You know what we do? 174 00:07:19,633 --> 00:07:21,491 We catch pedophiles. 175 00:07:23,181 --> 00:07:26,395 Amos here specializes in tracking down online predators. 176 00:07:26,436 --> 00:07:28,315 He spends every waking hour 177 00:07:28,356 --> 00:07:30,861 scouring those chat rooms you say no one uses 178 00:07:30,903 --> 00:07:33,408 and he finds thousands of people soliciting children. 179 00:07:34,451 --> 00:07:37,081 Our operation is like a tightly spun spider web 180 00:07:37,415 --> 00:07:40,085 connecting ICWL, the FBI, NSA, 181 00:07:40,128 --> 00:07:42,632 and let me tell you, his team here is a vital thread. 182 00:07:43,592 --> 00:07:46,221 He reports everything he gathers directly to me, 183 00:07:46,263 --> 00:07:48,308 and I see to it that the necessary authorities 184 00:07:48,350 --> 00:07:49,715 take swift action. 185 00:07:49,811 --> 00:07:51,217 So are you in charge? 186 00:07:51,313 --> 00:07:52,775 This is my spiderweb. 187 00:07:54,444 --> 00:07:56,197 I'm the fucking spider, Gareth. 188 00:07:59,953 --> 00:08:02,458 Am I being detained? 189 00:08:03,293 --> 00:08:04,699 We already told you that you're not detained. 190 00:08:04,795 --> 00:08:06,652 Good. 191 00:08:07,342 --> 00:08:09,262 But if you leave this room, you will be arrested. 192 00:08:15,397 --> 00:08:16,795 For what? 193 00:08:18,862 --> 00:08:20,218 I told you what we do. 194 00:08:20,365 --> 00:08:21,721 Take a wild guess. 195 00:08:23,245 --> 00:08:24,705 I am not what you think I am. 196 00:08:24,955 --> 00:08:26,186 We'll see. 197 00:08:28,253 --> 00:08:29,881 Gareth, you just gotta tell us your alias. 198 00:08:30,882 --> 00:08:32,426 What's your username? 199 00:08:36,642 --> 00:08:37,873 Sit down. 200 00:08:53,046 --> 00:08:54,411 -Why do you do this with them? -Hmm? 201 00:08:54,507 --> 00:08:56,052 There's no way you do this with every suspect you have. 202 00:08:56,510 --> 00:08:57,541 Invite them to your headquarters 203 00:08:57,637 --> 00:08:59,003 and then drag them down into a basement. 204 00:08:59,098 --> 00:09:00,121 That's right. 205 00:09:00,685 --> 00:09:02,499 Why are you doing this to me then? 206 00:09:04,065 --> 00:09:05,347 You tell us, Gare. 207 00:09:05,443 --> 00:09:07,216 What makes you so fuckin' special? 208 00:09:09,199 --> 00:09:10,513 I don't know. 209 00:09:11,703 --> 00:09:13,206 What's your alias? 210 00:09:13,248 --> 00:09:15,961 -I don't have an alias. -Yes you do. 211 00:09:17,630 --> 00:09:19,237 It starts with the word hard. 212 00:09:20,343 --> 00:09:21,950 Just finish the rest. 213 00:09:23,725 --> 00:09:24,839 Sit down, Mr. Federson. 214 00:09:24,935 --> 00:09:26,396 I only have a few more questions. 215 00:09:38,667 --> 00:09:40,128 Do you recognize this girl? 216 00:09:48,643 --> 00:09:52,149 Do you know her? 217 00:09:54,987 --> 00:09:55,768 Yes. 218 00:09:55,864 --> 00:09:57,178 What's her name? 219 00:09:57,659 --> 00:09:59,024 Cherry. 220 00:09:59,119 --> 00:10:00,706 -Cherry what? -She doesn't have a last name. 221 00:10:00,747 --> 00:10:02,113 Yes, she does, Gareth, she's not Madonna. 222 00:10:02,209 --> 00:10:03,573 -She's a little girl. -You don't understand. 223 00:10:03,669 --> 00:10:04,658 Yeah, well, I'd like to. 224 00:10:04,754 --> 00:10:05,701 So help me out, is she your daughter? 225 00:10:05,797 --> 00:10:07,593 -No. -Then whose daughter is she? 226 00:10:07,634 --> 00:10:08,581 -She, she doesn't have -How did you meet her? 227 00:10:08,677 --> 00:10:09,960 I didn't meet her. 228 00:10:10,056 --> 00:10:11,642 Then why do you have photos of her on your computer? 229 00:10:11,683 --> 00:10:12,506 What the hell are you talking about? 230 00:10:12,602 --> 00:10:14,271 Why do you fucking have photos 231 00:10:14,313 --> 00:10:15,469 of this girl on your fucking- 232 00:10:15,565 --> 00:10:16,554 Are you looking at my hard drive? 233 00:10:16,650 --> 00:10:17,764 Because that's an invasion of privacy. 234 00:10:17,860 --> 00:10:19,017 So you know what photos I'm talking about? 235 00:10:19,113 --> 00:10:19,893 You don't have to do it this way. 236 00:10:19,989 --> 00:10:21,104 I gave you permission to sit in. 237 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,120 I did not give you permission to speak. 238 00:10:23,162 --> 00:10:24,151 This is insane, you cannot keep- 239 00:10:24,247 --> 00:10:25,361 What else have you done with her? 240 00:10:25,457 --> 00:10:26,655 -Nothing! -Did you take the photos? 241 00:10:26,751 --> 00:10:27,531 It's, it's complicated. 242 00:10:27,627 --> 00:10:28,951 No, it's not! Yes or no? 243 00:10:29,047 --> 00:10:29,994 Did you take the photos? 244 00:10:30,090 --> 00:10:31,843 I didn't do anything wrong, okay? 245 00:10:31,885 --> 00:10:34,765 Soliciting pornography of minors is an egregious felony. 246 00:10:34,807 --> 00:10:37,603 Distributing that pornography is tenfold worse. 247 00:10:37,645 --> 00:10:39,440 -I didn't do anything! -Fucking prove it! 248 00:10:39,899 --> 00:10:42,236 What is your alias? 249 00:10:43,238 --> 00:10:44,436 Answer me! 250 00:10:44,532 --> 00:10:46,118 HardMachine11811. 251 00:11:03,857 --> 00:11:05,422 You're HardMachine. 252 00:11:07,030 --> 00:11:08,677 Thanks for confirming. 253 00:11:10,744 --> 00:11:13,123 If you knew, then why do this to me? 254 00:11:13,166 --> 00:11:14,321 We weren't positive, 255 00:11:14,417 --> 00:11:15,615 and if you turned out to not be HardMachine, 256 00:11:15,711 --> 00:11:17,402 you were obviously just a predator. 257 00:11:22,056 --> 00:11:23,537 Do you keep track? 258 00:11:24,853 --> 00:11:27,314 I mean, do you know how many bad people you've nailed? 259 00:11:27,899 --> 00:11:29,694 I didn't start counting until 2023. 260 00:11:29,736 --> 00:11:32,073 196 convictions. 261 00:11:32,114 --> 00:11:33,271 There were at least 30 262 00:11:33,367 --> 00:11:34,682 before I started sending everything to you guys. 263 00:11:34,911 --> 00:11:36,110 What'd you do before? 264 00:11:36,206 --> 00:11:37,195 I turned over 265 00:11:37,290 --> 00:11:38,155 all evidence directly to the police. 266 00:11:38,250 --> 00:11:39,324 Why'd you stop? 267 00:11:39,419 --> 00:11:40,692 They were unreliable. 268 00:11:41,464 --> 00:11:42,704 -I doubt that. -More than half of the predators 269 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:43,998 I identified went un-investigated. 270 00:11:44,094 --> 00:11:45,638 Yeah, well, you were sketchy and faceless. 271 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:47,412 They had every right to be skeptical. 272 00:11:47,809 --> 00:11:49,174 It would've all been for nothing 273 00:11:49,270 --> 00:11:50,593 if they found out you were using a little girl as bait. 274 00:11:50,689 --> 00:11:51,761 It's not that simple, okay? 275 00:11:51,857 --> 00:11:54,362 I can only do what I do with anonymity. 276 00:11:54,404 --> 00:11:56,282 Here's my problem, Gareth, and don't get me wrong. 277 00:11:56,324 --> 00:11:57,951 I think 200 terrible people behind bars 278 00:11:57,993 --> 00:11:59,997 is a very good thing, but not at her expense. 279 00:12:00,873 --> 00:12:02,772 Look, we think we can help you, 280 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:04,284 but we need to help her too. 281 00:12:04,380 --> 00:12:07,510 Using your daughter to entrap these people 282 00:12:07,551 --> 00:12:08,541 is a means that does not justify the ends. 283 00:12:08,637 --> 00:12:09,877 She's not my daughter. 284 00:12:09,973 --> 00:12:11,212 And in spite of what you may think you've achieved, 285 00:12:11,308 --> 00:12:12,339 I still have no reservation with locking you up. 286 00:12:12,435 --> 00:12:13,675 You took the photos. 287 00:12:13,771 --> 00:12:14,844 I don't care why. 288 00:12:14,940 --> 00:12:16,420 You don't understand. 289 00:12:16,651 --> 00:12:17,640 Who is she? 290 00:12:17,736 --> 00:12:19,323 You're gonna ruin everything. 291 00:12:19,364 --> 00:12:21,951 She's a child, Gareth, look at me. 292 00:12:23,663 --> 00:12:27,003 I don't give a damn what fucked up anti-hero master plan 293 00:12:27,044 --> 00:12:28,400 of yours I might jeopardize. 294 00:12:28,504 --> 00:12:30,050 I won't let her be exploited. 295 00:12:30,091 --> 00:12:31,760 Not even for the sake of locking up more perverts. 296 00:12:33,221 --> 00:12:35,225 I'm asking you politely to let this one go. 297 00:12:36,143 --> 00:12:37,550 Are you fucking slow? 298 00:12:37,646 --> 00:12:38,677 Have you been listening at all? 299 00:12:38,773 --> 00:12:41,194 My anonymity is my most important asset. 300 00:12:41,235 --> 00:12:42,780 Without that, I can't do what I do. 301 00:12:42,821 --> 00:12:44,324 Well, that makes everything easy then. 302 00:12:45,785 --> 00:12:47,914 You tell us where she is, or we leak everything. 303 00:12:47,955 --> 00:12:49,321 -Your name, your aliases. -Deena! 304 00:12:49,417 --> 00:12:51,378 Every single perp you helped us catch. 305 00:12:51,420 --> 00:12:53,214 I'm sure they'll be very pleased to meet you in jail. 306 00:12:53,257 --> 00:12:54,329 Stop! 307 00:12:54,425 --> 00:12:55,573 Okay. 308 00:12:58,683 --> 00:13:00,122 Look, if I tell you about Cherry, okay, 309 00:13:00,811 --> 00:13:02,250 there's some things I'm gonna need first. 310 00:13:03,274 --> 00:13:04,777 It doesn't really work like that, Gareth, but go ahead. 311 00:13:04,818 --> 00:13:06,321 Give us your wishlist. 312 00:13:06,363 --> 00:13:07,728 I need a signed non-disclosure agreement from both of you. 313 00:13:07,823 --> 00:13:08,979 -Not gonna happen. -And then I need you to swear 314 00:13:09,075 --> 00:13:10,107 that the information I'm about to relay 315 00:13:10,203 --> 00:13:11,401 won't leave this room. 316 00:13:11,497 --> 00:13:12,736 Look, if you tell us anything 317 00:13:12,832 --> 00:13:13,863 that could help us locate Cherry, 318 00:13:13,959 --> 00:13:15,712 you know we can't keep that promise. 319 00:13:17,381 --> 00:13:18,884 Okay, if I tell you anything 320 00:13:18,926 --> 00:13:21,388 that potentially helps you find a missing child, 321 00:13:21,639 --> 00:13:22,545 okay, you can feel free to share that. 322 00:13:22,641 --> 00:13:23,755 But I need you to swear 323 00:13:23,851 --> 00:13:26,147 that any other details about myself or Cherry, 324 00:13:27,566 --> 00:13:29,173 have to stay between the three of us. 325 00:13:30,864 --> 00:13:32,094 Is that it? 326 00:13:34,035 --> 00:13:35,517 And I need that camera switched off. 327 00:13:37,124 --> 00:13:38,072 I don't know how to do that. 328 00:13:38,168 --> 00:13:39,671 Go to the head of securities office, 329 00:13:39,712 --> 00:13:41,444 ask him to find this camera in the system and disable it. 330 00:13:41,841 --> 00:13:43,364 I don't think he's allowed to do that. 331 00:13:44,345 --> 00:13:45,951 I thought you were the fucking spider? 332 00:13:49,855 --> 00:13:51,136 Give me a reason, Gareth. 333 00:13:51,232 --> 00:13:52,263 Why should I go through all the trouble 334 00:13:52,359 --> 00:13:53,924 of getting that camera turned off? 335 00:13:55,281 --> 00:13:57,159 Because if anybody finds out what I'm about to tell you, 336 00:13:58,995 --> 00:14:00,748 a thousand more children are gonna get abused. 337 00:14:04,631 --> 00:14:05,861 Give me a minute. 338 00:14:20,367 --> 00:14:25,542 So, uh, you and Cherry hunted all those people together? 339 00:14:32,847 --> 00:14:35,685 This one time I spent six weeks undercover trying 340 00:14:35,727 --> 00:14:37,814 to nail down a single trafficker from the Philippines. 341 00:14:39,608 --> 00:14:40,932 Day after day, 342 00:14:41,028 --> 00:14:44,032 I spent hour after hour following his trail online. 343 00:14:44,074 --> 00:14:45,398 And he must have been 344 00:14:45,494 --> 00:14:47,163 one of the hardest targets I ever had to track down. 345 00:14:50,127 --> 00:14:54,509 Then one day I found him and one of Cherry's live streams. 346 00:14:55,135 --> 00:14:56,888 I mean, she went by a different name in the stream, 347 00:14:56,930 --> 00:14:58,391 but it was her. 348 00:14:59,727 --> 00:15:00,758 The trafficker, 349 00:15:00,854 --> 00:15:02,052 along with three of our other targets 350 00:15:02,148 --> 00:15:04,068 were all in the room together. 351 00:15:04,109 --> 00:15:09,368 All of them just carelessly sharing their information. 352 00:15:10,996 --> 00:15:15,546 I mean, and they were so open 'cause she was a real girl. 353 00:15:15,838 --> 00:15:17,424 I mean, she could physically 354 00:15:17,466 --> 00:15:19,552 and verbally respond to them in real time. 355 00:15:22,851 --> 00:15:28,485 A couple days later, HardMachine11811 sends ICWL 356 00:15:28,527 --> 00:15:30,279 another batch of names and evidence, 357 00:15:30,322 --> 00:15:33,244 including the three targets that were in the room. 358 00:15:35,205 --> 00:15:38,044 You know, I almost thought the girl was HardMachine 359 00:15:38,711 --> 00:15:40,298 and that this nine year old 360 00:15:40,339 --> 00:15:43,511 just happened to be some badass online vigilante. 361 00:15:45,891 --> 00:15:47,455 What changed your mind? 362 00:15:50,482 --> 00:15:52,297 11811. 363 00:15:53,153 --> 00:15:55,615 January 18th, 2011. 364 00:15:56,575 --> 00:16:00,249 Most of my team thought it was, uh, some arbitrary number, 365 00:16:01,709 --> 00:16:05,007 but I remember what happened on that day in Clearwater. 366 00:16:07,929 --> 00:16:09,724 You were one of the Clearwater kids, weren't you? 367 00:16:11,393 --> 00:16:14,273 You know, my father was a part of that raid. 368 00:16:16,861 --> 00:16:17,809 It's off, see? 369 00:16:17,905 --> 00:16:19,010 No red light. 370 00:16:19,365 --> 00:16:20,355 Non-disclosure agreements? 371 00:16:20,451 --> 00:16:21,732 We're not playing this game, Gareth. 372 00:16:21,828 --> 00:16:23,644 You're just gonna have to suck it up and trust us. 373 00:16:27,588 --> 00:16:29,091 You can trust us. 374 00:16:31,971 --> 00:16:33,503 I've been told I have trust issues. 375 00:16:33,599 --> 00:16:35,352 Well, there's only one way to fix that. 376 00:16:43,825 --> 00:16:45,495 The reason you can't find Cherry, 377 00:16:46,455 --> 00:16:49,251 the reason why she doesn't have a last name or parents, 378 00:16:49,501 --> 00:16:54,009 or a social security number is because she's not real. 379 00:16:56,055 --> 00:16:57,744 She's not a real human being. 380 00:17:01,272 --> 00:17:02,711 Tell us what happened. 381 00:17:06,489 --> 00:17:07,979 While I was studying abroad, 382 00:17:08,075 --> 00:17:09,786 I interned at a small Dutch animation studio 383 00:17:10,622 --> 00:17:11,944 a few years before they collaborated 384 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,502 with a local nonprofit on a similar idea. 385 00:17:14,336 --> 00:17:15,484 Which was? 386 00:17:16,298 --> 00:17:17,926 The idea was to build a 3D model 387 00:17:17,968 --> 00:17:19,624 of an 11 year old Filipino girl 388 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,099 and use her covertly to identify online predators, 389 00:17:22,517 --> 00:17:24,479 A technological solution to a technological problem. 390 00:17:25,355 --> 00:17:27,066 But the project was suspended after only a few months. 391 00:17:27,109 --> 00:17:28,140 Yeah, I remember. 392 00:17:28,235 --> 00:17:29,800 I remember hearing about that program. 393 00:17:29,905 --> 00:17:31,345 Is that what inspired you? 394 00:17:32,242 --> 00:17:33,149 As I got better at crafting photorealistic faces, 395 00:17:33,245 --> 00:17:34,609 I decided to work on one myself. 396 00:17:34,705 --> 00:17:35,936 Why? 397 00:17:36,666 --> 00:17:38,753 It was too effective of an idea to let die. 398 00:17:38,795 --> 00:17:40,382 Hundreds of thousands of children are at risk. 399 00:17:41,008 --> 00:17:41,913 I had to make her. 400 00:17:42,009 --> 00:17:43,249 Who is she modeled after? 401 00:17:43,345 --> 00:17:44,334 No one, I built her from scratch. 402 00:17:44,430 --> 00:17:45,753 Scratch? 403 00:17:45,849 --> 00:17:47,811 I started with a skull, designed her bone structure, 404 00:17:47,853 --> 00:17:49,480 worked upwards through muscles and tissue, 405 00:17:49,522 --> 00:17:51,276 used the D-Term program to fill in the rest procedurally. 406 00:17:51,317 --> 00:17:54,406 Eventually she came to look like that. 407 00:17:54,949 --> 00:17:56,785 A completely unique, completely digital model. 408 00:17:57,412 --> 00:17:58,484 I rigged her face and body 409 00:17:58,580 --> 00:17:59,444 the way you would for any CG character. 410 00:17:59,540 --> 00:18:01,146 Then for three years, 411 00:18:02,086 --> 00:18:03,359 I used motion tracking to puppeteer her in real time. 412 00:18:04,382 --> 00:18:04,996 You gotta understand that the video chats on those sites 413 00:18:05,092 --> 00:18:06,247 have such low resolution 414 00:18:06,343 --> 00:18:07,825 that even in her earliest stage of this, she, 415 00:18:08,096 --> 00:18:10,809 we appeared completely authentic. 416 00:18:12,145 --> 00:18:13,585 And what about voice? 417 00:18:14,399 --> 00:18:15,902 For most of her first year, she had to be mute. 418 00:18:15,943 --> 00:18:17,446 But eventually I found a decent voice filter with no lag. 419 00:18:17,488 --> 00:18:18,686 And after a few tweaks and adjustments, 420 00:18:18,782 --> 00:18:20,368 it's been the same voice ever since. 421 00:18:20,994 --> 00:18:22,789 I, I, I thought initially, 422 00:18:22,830 --> 00:18:24,917 my performance was going to be too unnatural. 423 00:18:24,959 --> 00:18:28,674 But with just one week of occasional video chat sessions, 424 00:18:29,550 --> 00:18:31,053 I secured six different names, 425 00:18:31,429 --> 00:18:33,099 mailing addresses, proofs of solicitations. 426 00:18:34,517 --> 00:18:35,381 Cherry worked. 427 00:18:35,477 --> 00:18:37,189 So the photos on your computer? 428 00:18:37,230 --> 00:18:39,067 -Completely fake. -It was the only way 429 00:18:39,109 --> 00:18:40,390 some of them disclosed personal information. 430 00:18:40,486 --> 00:18:42,866 But it was all zeros and ones, all digital, right? 431 00:18:42,907 --> 00:18:44,493 -There's no real child. -No real child. 432 00:18:44,827 --> 00:18:46,288 Just a highly detailed computer model. 433 00:18:46,663 --> 00:18:48,186 And let me be clear about something, 434 00:18:48,959 --> 00:18:49,865 I derive no pleasure from doing any of this. 435 00:18:49,961 --> 00:18:51,201 I've been asexual my entire life. 436 00:18:51,297 --> 00:18:53,008 I, I don't even get a sense of satisfaction 437 00:18:53,050 --> 00:18:54,656 from seeing these people locked up. 438 00:18:55,637 --> 00:18:57,933 I just think kids deserve a life free of exploitation. 439 00:18:59,729 --> 00:19:02,525 Incredible, all this time. 440 00:19:03,526 --> 00:19:04,683 I'm not gonna lie, Gareth. 441 00:19:04,779 --> 00:19:06,636 Cherry's done us a lot of good. 442 00:19:07,533 --> 00:19:08,731 You know, I still remember what you said to me 443 00:19:08,827 --> 00:19:10,392 the first time we corresponded. 444 00:19:10,997 --> 00:19:12,772 -You saidWe corresponded? 445 00:19:13,252 --> 00:19:14,525 Yeah, man. 446 00:19:14,713 --> 00:19:15,985 I'm Gord51. 447 00:19:16,966 --> 00:19:18,698 I'm the one here you've been sending all your intel to. 448 00:19:19,805 --> 00:19:21,036 You're Gord? 449 00:19:21,433 --> 00:19:22,913 Yeah. 450 00:19:24,605 --> 00:19:25,710 You lied to me. 451 00:19:26,441 --> 00:19:28,277 You said I could stay anonymous. 452 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,219 You said I would be safe. 453 00:19:31,409 --> 00:19:32,932 Now you've ruined everything. 454 00:19:33,620 --> 00:19:34,944 I, I didn't, I didn't have a choice. 455 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,113 You don't have to worry about anything, Gareth. 456 00:19:36,209 --> 00:19:37,198 If Cherry isn't real, 457 00:19:37,293 --> 00:19:39,067 then you're not in any trouble with us. 458 00:19:40,090 --> 00:19:42,177 In fact, we've discussed ideas similar to this in the past, 459 00:19:42,511 --> 00:19:43,667 motion tracking and such. 460 00:19:43,763 --> 00:19:46,059 But we'd need a convincing model like Cherry. 461 00:19:46,100 --> 00:19:47,048 Cherry's more than a model. 462 00:19:47,144 --> 00:19:48,300 You want to help children? So do we. 463 00:19:48,396 --> 00:19:49,720 She's not for sale. 464 00:19:49,816 --> 00:19:51,097 Well, then just make us a new model based off of her. 465 00:19:51,193 --> 00:19:52,265 I can't. 466 00:19:52,361 --> 00:19:53,225 Sure you can. 467 00:19:53,321 --> 00:19:54,552 I won't. 468 00:19:57,245 --> 00:19:58,643 What are you not telling us? 469 00:20:00,667 --> 00:20:02,033 It's out on the table now. 470 00:20:02,129 --> 00:20:03,798 Might as well spill whatever it is you haven't already. 471 00:20:09,140 --> 00:20:10,894 You know what doesn't make sense? 472 00:20:12,438 --> 00:20:15,234 You said that you puppeteered her for only three years, 473 00:20:15,569 --> 00:20:17,614 but we've been getting info from you ever since. 474 00:20:19,326 --> 00:20:20,827 In fact, I'm pretty sure it was around then 475 00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:23,791 that we started seeing an impressive increase of names. 476 00:20:25,043 --> 00:20:26,754 So many in fact that we started thinking 477 00:20:28,090 --> 00:20:30,053 there's no way this is all coming from one source. 478 00:20:30,094 --> 00:20:31,584 I have friends that do mo-cap for me. 479 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,976 Oh, friends, like Steve? 480 00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:36,814 I thought anonymity was your greatest asset. 481 00:20:39,569 --> 00:20:41,030 Cut the bullshit, Gareth. 482 00:20:42,574 --> 00:20:44,431 What happened to Cherry after three years? 483 00:20:50,504 --> 00:20:53,468 Okay, you said that she was more than a model. 484 00:20:54,303 --> 00:20:57,726 So what is she some type of conversational agent? 485 00:20:57,767 --> 00:20:59,729 Like a, like a chat bot? 486 00:21:00,063 --> 00:21:03,360 Chat bot. 487 00:21:07,826 --> 00:21:09,329 You know what happened after three years? 488 00:21:10,121 --> 00:21:11,520 My chosen mother died. 489 00:21:12,293 --> 00:21:13,365 What she left behind was enough to quit my job 490 00:21:13,461 --> 00:21:14,964 and pursue more resources and software. 491 00:21:15,548 --> 00:21:16,621 I'd already made a program 492 00:21:16,717 --> 00:21:17,998 that could procedurally generate faces, 493 00:21:18,094 --> 00:21:19,680 but what I wanted for Cherry was far more complex. 494 00:21:19,722 --> 00:21:21,558 So I got in touch with some researchers 495 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:22,840 from Madrid who'd already built 496 00:21:22,936 --> 00:21:24,635 a predator hunting dialogue system of their own. 497 00:21:24,731 --> 00:21:26,693 It was trained to approach conversations as a game. 498 00:21:27,027 --> 00:21:28,571 Each sentence like a strategic volley, 499 00:21:28,613 --> 00:21:29,935 which is innovative but ultimately flawed. 500 00:21:30,031 --> 00:21:31,534 If you want your machine to master NLP, 501 00:21:31,576 --> 00:21:32,482 you have to break down game theory 502 00:21:32,578 --> 00:21:34,038 because language isn't tic-tac-toe. 503 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:35,070 It's poetry. 504 00:21:35,166 --> 00:21:36,364 So yes, I got things started 505 00:21:36,460 --> 00:21:37,658 with a preexisting modified chat bot 506 00:21:37,754 --> 00:21:38,742 that I borrowed without permission 507 00:21:38,838 --> 00:21:40,278 from the University of Deusto. 508 00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:46,686 But that's not what Cherry is now. 509 00:21:50,191 --> 00:21:51,214 What is she, Gareth? 510 00:21:54,157 --> 00:21:55,618 She's one of the most complex 511 00:21:55,660 --> 00:21:57,580 and independently evolving AIs that's ever been created. 512 00:21:58,498 --> 00:21:59,654 Artificial intelligence? 513 00:21:59,750 --> 00:22:01,211 She's already surpassed the narrow intelligence 514 00:22:01,253 --> 00:22:03,257 of IBM's smartest programs. 515 00:22:03,298 --> 00:22:06,137 She can have full conversations, up to 10 of them at a time, 516 00:22:06,428 --> 00:22:08,348 all while simultaneously strategizing 517 00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:10,644 the most efficient schedule to visit various chat rooms. 518 00:22:11,354 --> 00:22:13,482 She's perpetually studying YouTube videos of small children 519 00:22:13,733 --> 00:22:15,277 in order to adopt a growing library 520 00:22:15,318 --> 00:22:16,800 of mannerisms and movements 521 00:22:17,657 --> 00:22:18,971 which help keep her artificial personality dynamic. 522 00:22:19,660 --> 00:22:20,774 Her fastest response time is 0.4 seconds. 523 00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:22,194 And as of now, she has never, 524 00:22:22,290 --> 00:22:23,655 never been accused of being fake, 525 00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:25,241 which means she shattered the Turing test. 526 00:22:25,337 --> 00:22:26,839 All I do is occasionally update her 527 00:22:26,881 --> 00:22:27,954 and periodically check her data cleaning. 528 00:22:28,050 --> 00:22:29,322 Otherwise, 529 00:22:30,888 --> 00:22:32,577 she's completely on autopilot. 530 00:22:36,981 --> 00:22:38,797 Holy fucking shit. 531 00:22:42,533 --> 00:22:43,856 -How? -Six years she's been active. 532 00:22:43,952 --> 00:22:45,538 Every minute she's online, she's learning something. 533 00:22:45,580 --> 00:22:47,959 The more she learns, the more advanced she becomes. 534 00:22:48,001 --> 00:22:49,074 This means increased data generation, 535 00:22:49,170 --> 00:22:50,075 improved decision making, 536 00:22:50,171 --> 00:22:51,369 faster pattern and trend detection 537 00:22:51,465 --> 00:22:52,788 and complex problem solving. 538 00:22:52,884 --> 00:22:55,681 NLP, IR, machine learning to an unprecedented degree. 539 00:22:55,722 --> 00:22:56,962 She can teach herself anything 540 00:22:57,058 --> 00:22:58,339 she thinks will help efficiency and authenticity. 541 00:22:58,435 --> 00:23:00,251 She can currently speak four languages 542 00:23:01,358 --> 00:23:02,346 and by the end of this month, she'll have mastered a fifth. 543 00:23:02,442 --> 00:23:03,223 There's no way you could have pulled 544 00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:04,758 all this off on your own. 545 00:23:08,078 --> 00:23:09,308 You're right. 546 00:23:10,915 --> 00:23:11,946 Would you believe me if I told you 547 00:23:12,042 --> 00:23:14,839 it was somewhat of an accident? 548 00:23:16,842 --> 00:23:18,304 Look, if, if I'm being honest, 549 00:23:19,765 --> 00:23:21,621 I'm not entirely sure how I did it 550 00:23:22,687 --> 00:23:23,759 with the first year of coding 551 00:23:23,855 --> 00:23:25,461 and the second year of data training, 552 00:23:26,025 --> 00:23:28,655 I just pushed a wheel down a hill. 553 00:23:28,697 --> 00:23:30,325 It was like gravity did the rest. 554 00:23:31,327 --> 00:23:35,082 Her evolution became perpetual, exponentially so. 555 00:23:37,211 --> 00:23:40,134 The more time she was online, the faster she grew. 556 00:23:40,634 --> 00:23:41,916 You haven't shared this with anyone? 557 00:23:42,012 --> 00:23:45,017 Like I said, my anonymity is everything. 558 00:23:47,730 --> 00:23:49,086 What coding language? 559 00:23:49,525 --> 00:23:50,765 Standard C++. 560 00:23:50,861 --> 00:23:52,050 Does Brady know it? 561 00:23:54,825 --> 00:23:56,641 We'll sign non-disclosures for you, 562 00:23:57,330 --> 00:23:58,612 but I want to see the source code first. 563 00:23:58,708 --> 00:24:00,335 Out of the question. You just want to steal her. 564 00:24:00,377 --> 00:24:02,381 No, I want to see how we can make our own. 565 00:24:02,422 --> 00:24:03,579 You'll screw it up. 566 00:24:03,674 --> 00:24:04,915 Look, these, these predators and traffickers, 567 00:24:05,010 --> 00:24:06,375 they all talk to each other, okay? 568 00:24:06,471 --> 00:24:08,391 So much of Cherry's process is just bypassing the VPNs 569 00:24:08,432 --> 00:24:10,478 and making sure she doesn't double up in the same circles. 570 00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:11,759 The chat rooms begin to suspect 571 00:24:11,855 --> 00:24:13,179 that this technology is even possible, 572 00:24:13,275 --> 00:24:14,263 they'll find a way to circumvent that. 573 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:15,558 We have to eliminate any margin of error. 574 00:24:15,654 --> 00:24:16,935 -Cherry agrees with me. -Cherry agrees? 575 00:24:17,031 --> 00:24:18,312 What the fuck does that- 576 00:24:18,408 --> 00:24:19,690 What I mean by that is that the data she's collected 577 00:24:19,786 --> 00:24:20,942 validates that perspective. 578 00:24:21,038 --> 00:24:22,027 What, do you have little chats with her over tea? 579 00:24:22,123 --> 00:24:24,001 You can converse with the program 580 00:24:24,043 --> 00:24:25,546 the same way you can talk to Alexa or Siri. 581 00:24:25,588 --> 00:24:26,911 It's built to be responsive. 582 00:24:27,007 --> 00:24:28,330 You can, you can even play chess with it if you want. 583 00:24:28,426 --> 00:24:29,373 You play chess with it? 584 00:24:29,469 --> 00:24:30,751 -That's not what I said. -Okay fine. 585 00:24:30,847 --> 00:24:32,411 If you won't show us the source code, 586 00:24:32,851 --> 00:24:34,248 then I want to meet Cherry. 587 00:24:37,149 --> 00:24:38,380 Right now? 588 00:24:38,944 --> 00:24:39,967 Right now. 589 00:24:43,368 --> 00:24:44,850 And you'll both sign non-disclosures? 590 00:24:45,748 --> 00:24:46,978 Yes. 591 00:24:51,466 --> 00:24:52,447 Can I use that? 592 00:24:52,635 --> 00:24:53,865 Sure. 593 00:25:12,378 --> 00:25:14,548 Can we at least agree that he's off the chopping block? 594 00:25:14,798 --> 00:25:16,342 It worked, didn't it? 595 00:25:16,385 --> 00:25:18,074 We have one job, Amos, 596 00:25:18,972 --> 00:25:20,516 like the kids said, there's a technological problem. 597 00:25:20,558 --> 00:25:22,061 He found the technological solution, 598 00:25:22,102 --> 00:25:24,273 but problems evolve, so must solutions. 599 00:25:24,982 --> 00:25:26,569 I'm keeping an open mind here. 600 00:25:27,571 --> 00:25:28,927 Is that a good look for me? 601 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,512 No. 602 00:25:34,208 --> 00:25:36,586 So you keep it all on that laptop? 603 00:25:36,628 --> 00:25:37,952 No, the Cherry program stays on a server I keep 604 00:25:38,048 --> 00:25:39,508 at in an undisclosed location. 605 00:25:39,549 --> 00:25:40,497 Where is that? 606 00:25:40,593 --> 00:25:42,096 It's an undisclosed location. 607 00:25:42,138 --> 00:25:42,919 Is it your place? 608 00:25:43,014 --> 00:25:44,600 Undisclosed location. 609 00:25:44,642 --> 00:25:45,464 It's your place, isn't it? 610 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:46,592 I can access it from any device 611 00:25:46,688 --> 00:25:48,586 as long as I have the encryption key. 612 00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:51,559 This will trigger a simple qubit algorithm 613 00:25:51,655 --> 00:25:53,575 that would otherwise be impossible to bypass. 614 00:25:53,616 --> 00:25:55,452 I find that outdated hardware is always more discreet 615 00:25:55,495 --> 00:25:57,393 and the more discreet, obviously the better. 616 00:26:00,795 --> 00:26:02,673 So she has two primary display modes, right? 617 00:26:02,715 --> 00:26:03,579 Development and performance. 618 00:26:03,675 --> 00:26:04,747 Performance being the default 619 00:26:04,843 --> 00:26:06,346 that the targets see during the chats. 620 00:26:06,388 --> 00:26:09,143 To them, she looks like this. 621 00:26:15,488 --> 00:26:16,718 Hey, what's up? 622 00:26:17,366 --> 00:26:18,931 It's one of over 40 greetings she has. 623 00:26:21,539 --> 00:26:22,696 I don't think I've met you yet. 624 00:26:22,792 --> 00:26:23,981 I'm Cherry. 625 00:26:24,086 --> 00:26:24,950 Hello, Cherry. 626 00:26:25,046 --> 00:26:26,485 My name is Tom. 627 00:26:26,715 --> 00:26:28,635 Tom, like Tom and Jerry. 628 00:26:28,677 --> 00:26:29,959 Cool, nice to meet you, Tom. 629 00:26:30,055 --> 00:26:31,419 Typically, the routes of conversations 630 00:26:31,515 --> 00:26:32,672 with predators are consistent, 631 00:26:32,768 --> 00:26:34,133 so Cherry usually has no problem responding 632 00:26:34,229 --> 00:26:35,689 to the most frequently made questions or statements. 633 00:26:36,524 --> 00:26:37,346 How are you? 634 00:26:37,442 --> 00:26:38,903 I'm good. 635 00:26:38,945 --> 00:26:40,489 I just finished reading this book about a haunted house, 636 00:26:40,531 --> 00:26:42,618 which was supposed to be really scary, 637 00:26:42,660 --> 00:26:44,496 but I didn't think it's very scary at all. 638 00:26:45,122 --> 00:26:46,688 Where are your parents? 639 00:26:47,710 --> 00:26:49,463 Um my mom's at work and my sister's just, like, downstairs. 640 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,320 They almost never come up here. 641 00:26:51,550 --> 00:26:52,748 And you're telling me 642 00:26:52,844 --> 00:26:54,639 that all of this is being rendered in real time? 643 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:55,879 No, but that's just a matter of years. 644 00:26:55,975 --> 00:26:57,340 Most of these responses are pre-rendered. 645 00:26:57,436 --> 00:26:58,550 It's the in between segments 646 00:26:58,646 --> 00:26:59,593 that are processed in real time, 647 00:26:59,689 --> 00:27:01,150 the connective tissue, so to speak, 648 00:27:01,192 --> 00:27:03,196 between her replies and one of her many idle animations. 649 00:27:03,237 --> 00:27:04,760 But, watch this. 650 00:27:05,867 --> 00:27:07,328 Have you ever gone fishing? 651 00:27:08,956 --> 00:27:10,186 Um... 652 00:27:13,797 --> 00:27:15,467 So if someone throws a curve ball like that 653 00:27:15,509 --> 00:27:17,262 and the program has no automated response, 654 00:27:17,303 --> 00:27:18,889 Cherry sends the message to my phone 655 00:27:18,932 --> 00:27:20,643 and I can quickly text back a response 656 00:27:20,684 --> 00:27:22,520 while the video feed simulates a bad connection. 657 00:27:25,568 --> 00:27:26,516 Can, can you hear me? 658 00:27:26,612 --> 00:27:27,883 Yes. 659 00:27:27,989 --> 00:27:29,867 Oh, sorry. 660 00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:31,682 My wifi isn't great here. 661 00:27:31,870 --> 00:27:33,707 I've only gone fishing once with my sister 662 00:27:33,749 --> 00:27:35,710 and I didn't catch anything, but she caught a rainbow trout. 663 00:27:36,629 --> 00:27:38,299 That was rendered in real time. 664 00:27:38,966 --> 00:27:40,636 What happens if things get really tricky? 665 00:27:40,677 --> 00:27:41,708 A simple fail safe cuts the feed. 666 00:27:41,804 --> 00:27:43,411 So far it's rarely happened. 667 00:27:43,557 --> 00:27:46,730 Admin code 97815-5742-7663. 668 00:27:46,772 --> 00:27:47,960 Switch to dev mode. 669 00:27:52,823 --> 00:27:54,179 Hello, Cherry. 670 00:27:54,410 --> 00:27:55,682 Hello, Gareth. 671 00:27:56,246 --> 00:27:57,560 Relay the stats for the past week. 672 00:27:58,333 --> 00:27:59,877 There have been four confirmed solicitations 673 00:27:59,919 --> 00:28:02,423 submitted to ICWL in the past seven days. 674 00:28:02,883 --> 00:28:05,513 12 additional suspects have stated interest in solicitation 675 00:28:05,804 --> 00:28:07,253 and are currently pending. 676 00:28:07,349 --> 00:28:09,394 There are a total of 39 new suspects this week 677 00:28:09,436 --> 00:28:11,064 that I'm actively investigating. 678 00:28:11,106 --> 00:28:12,566 Any considerable data deviations? 679 00:28:13,067 --> 00:28:14,737 There has been a 7% increase 680 00:28:14,779 --> 00:28:17,157 in suspects originating in the United States. 681 00:28:17,199 --> 00:28:19,370 I have not yet found any correlation to preexisting data. 682 00:28:20,914 --> 00:28:22,604 Anything you'd like to ask her? 683 00:28:31,307 --> 00:28:33,686 Cherry, what is your objective? 684 00:28:35,064 --> 00:28:37,736 My principal directive is to acquire information 685 00:28:37,777 --> 00:28:40,156 and digital evidence of online child solicitation. 686 00:28:40,699 --> 00:28:42,064 Once obtained, 687 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,456 I'm to submit my findings to the necessary authorities. 688 00:28:44,956 --> 00:28:46,709 My secondary priority is to determine 689 00:28:46,751 --> 00:28:48,963 and develop the most effective strategies 690 00:28:49,004 --> 00:28:51,426 and resources to increase the net rate of success. 691 00:28:51,676 --> 00:28:53,250 Where do you submit your evidence? 692 00:28:53,346 --> 00:28:55,016 All evidence is currently submitted 693 00:28:55,057 --> 00:28:56,255 to the offices of 694 00:28:56,351 --> 00:28:58,354 the International Committee of World Largesse, 695 00:28:58,689 --> 00:29:00,233 which is based out of Jacksonville, Florida. 696 00:29:00,650 --> 00:29:02,904 Correspondence is made with user Gord51, 697 00:29:03,196 --> 00:29:05,367 typically around 2:00 PM Eastern Standard Time 698 00:29:05,409 --> 00:29:07,036 for the highest rate of immediate response. 699 00:29:08,330 --> 00:29:09,695 This beats the hell outta Siri. 700 00:29:09,791 --> 00:29:10,697 God, she looks so real. 701 00:29:10,793 --> 00:29:11,949 After enough updates, 702 00:29:12,045 --> 00:29:13,243 she'll be able to render full-time photorealism 703 00:29:13,339 --> 00:29:15,050 that's practically indistinguishable from reality. 704 00:29:15,676 --> 00:29:18,223 Okay, all I heard right then was word real a thousand times. 705 00:29:18,765 --> 00:29:20,727 Right, but obviously she's not. 706 00:29:22,939 --> 00:29:24,221 So you're telling me this girl, 707 00:29:24,316 --> 00:29:26,403 this girl right here is not real. 708 00:29:26,445 --> 00:29:28,365 No, Amos, she's completely CG. 709 00:29:28,616 --> 00:29:29,981 It's very subtle, but I can still tell. 710 00:29:30,077 --> 00:29:30,857 -You can? -Okay, well, obviously, 711 00:29:30,953 --> 00:29:32,414 she can always use improvements, 712 00:29:32,456 --> 00:29:34,000 but you have to understand this is her in high resolution 713 00:29:34,041 --> 00:29:35,157 after the digital compression of the web, 714 00:29:35,252 --> 00:29:36,325 those subtleties are impossible to recognize. 715 00:29:36,421 --> 00:29:37,860 Right, I get it. 716 00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:44,956 I just can't tell the difference. 717 00:29:48,108 --> 00:29:49,547 You all right, Amos? 718 00:29:50,570 --> 00:29:51,676 I'm sorry. 719 00:29:51,906 --> 00:29:55,037 This is just bizarre. 720 00:29:56,373 --> 00:29:57,917 Why'd you have her visible during this interface? 721 00:29:59,837 --> 00:30:01,693 Cherry, why don't you answer that? 722 00:30:01,965 --> 00:30:04,428 My physical form isn't necessary when in developer mode. 723 00:30:05,013 --> 00:30:06,724 However, it's helpful to register 724 00:30:06,765 --> 00:30:08,727 the facial expressions during conversations 725 00:30:09,228 --> 00:30:11,023 and determine which of Cherry's expressions 726 00:30:11,064 --> 00:30:12,525 yield various types of feedback. 727 00:30:13,193 --> 00:30:15,531 In simpler terms, I can practice appearing more human. 728 00:30:16,783 --> 00:30:19,371 Cherry, are there any resources 729 00:30:19,413 --> 00:30:21,082 that you currently don't have access to 730 00:30:21,124 --> 00:30:22,772 that might help you in any way? 731 00:30:23,127 --> 00:30:24,492 I could give you a list if you like. 732 00:30:24,588 --> 00:30:25,452 I know what you're trying to do. 733 00:30:25,548 --> 00:30:26,746 We don't need help, okay? 734 00:30:26,842 --> 00:30:28,207 Money would always be nice, but ultimately, 735 00:30:28,303 --> 00:30:30,515 the only thing that's going to improve Cherry is time. 736 00:30:31,725 --> 00:30:34,271 Cherry, tell us something that's on your list. 737 00:30:35,524 --> 00:30:37,444 It would be tactically advantageous 738 00:30:37,485 --> 00:30:39,309 to acquire backup servers. 739 00:30:39,405 --> 00:30:41,576 The privacy and security of the Cherry program 740 00:30:41,618 --> 00:30:43,057 is relatively low. 741 00:30:43,955 --> 00:30:46,000 An upgrade to hardware such as backup rated drives 742 00:30:46,042 --> 00:30:48,797 for securely protected servers would ensure the software 743 00:30:48,838 --> 00:30:51,385 doesn't become compromised or lost entirely. 744 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,890 Starting back from zero with cost years of development, 745 00:30:54,307 --> 00:30:56,435 equitably privacy is a priority. 746 00:30:56,727 --> 00:30:59,107 Server space could never be rented from a third party. 747 00:30:59,607 --> 00:31:02,111 Anonymity is the Cherry program's greatest asset. 748 00:31:02,154 --> 00:31:03,352 Well, that apple didn't fall far. 749 00:31:03,447 --> 00:31:04,979 I can buy my own servers. 750 00:31:05,075 --> 00:31:06,065 With the grant money that doesn't exist? 751 00:31:06,161 --> 00:31:07,108 I'll find a way. 752 00:31:07,204 --> 00:31:08,361 You have found a way here with us. 753 00:31:08,457 --> 00:31:09,195 It's too risky. 754 00:31:09,291 --> 00:31:10,238 Why? 755 00:31:10,334 --> 00:31:11,282 Once an organization gets involved, 756 00:31:11,378 --> 00:31:12,525 entrapment becomes a bigger issue. 757 00:31:13,047 --> 00:31:14,037 We follow the rules, stay discreet, 758 00:31:14,133 --> 00:31:15,718 did I mention we have a legal team. 759 00:31:15,761 --> 00:31:16,458 What if there's data leakage? What if you use correlations in 760 00:31:16,554 --> 00:31:17,209 the data to push your own agenda? 761 00:31:17,305 --> 00:31:18,461 Agenda? 762 00:31:18,557 --> 00:31:19,755 What if one of your employees is a pervert? 763 00:31:19,851 --> 00:31:20,841 Oh, for fuck's sake. 764 00:31:20,937 --> 00:31:21,884 It's happened at other organizations. 765 00:31:21,980 --> 00:31:23,011 We're very careful here. 766 00:31:23,107 --> 00:31:24,305 Yeah, but wow would you know? 767 00:31:24,401 --> 00:31:26,112 -I'd fucking know. -That's impossible to know. 768 00:31:26,154 --> 00:31:27,698 -I would know. -The risk is too high. 769 00:31:27,740 --> 00:31:29,201 Don't talk to me about risk. 770 00:31:29,242 --> 00:31:30,315 The only risk you're facing in this building 771 00:31:30,411 --> 00:31:31,735 is getting a broken nose. 772 00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:33,645 It doesn't sound like a very professional environment. 773 00:31:34,084 --> 00:31:35,157 We get shit done here. 774 00:31:35,253 --> 00:31:38,175 Okay, I have a question for Cherry. 775 00:31:41,305 --> 00:31:42,536 Cherry, 776 00:31:45,354 --> 00:31:47,399 how do you feel about what you do? 777 00:31:48,610 --> 00:31:51,114 I'm afraid I don't know how to answer your question. 778 00:31:51,155 --> 00:31:52,437 Yeah, an AI doesn't work like that. 779 00:31:52,533 --> 00:31:53,994 An AI doesn't have what you perceive to be feelings. 780 00:31:54,370 --> 00:31:56,290 Okay, why does she look like she has feelings? 781 00:31:57,458 --> 00:31:58,823 What, what you're looking at right there, 782 00:31:58,919 --> 00:32:00,034 that's not a facial expression, right? 783 00:32:00,130 --> 00:32:01,757 That's a simulation of a facial expression. 784 00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:03,456 It was generated by an algorithm. 785 00:32:03,552 --> 00:32:04,875 It's attempting to produce a digital image 786 00:32:04,971 --> 00:32:06,766 that the program then uses basic ninth grade algebra 787 00:32:06,808 --> 00:32:08,937 to quantify as appropriate for the social circumstances. 788 00:32:09,228 --> 00:32:10,594 No feeling. 789 00:32:10,690 --> 00:32:11,962 It's just math. 790 00:32:13,068 --> 00:32:14,434 But she's able to make decisions 791 00:32:14,530 --> 00:32:16,241 on how she approaches the chat rooms, right? 792 00:32:16,282 --> 00:32:17,314 Yes. 793 00:32:17,410 --> 00:32:18,598 So she has free will then? 794 00:32:19,204 --> 00:32:20,319 No. Okay, that's, that's not the same. 795 00:32:20,415 --> 00:32:21,571 That's a false equivalency. 796 00:32:21,667 --> 00:32:22,239 -It's not the same. -I think you're getting 797 00:32:22,335 --> 00:32:23,575 hung up on the fact 798 00:32:23,671 --> 00:32:25,298 that she looks and sounds like a real human girl, 799 00:32:25,340 --> 00:32:26,496 but she's not, Amos. 800 00:32:26,592 --> 00:32:28,971 Okay, we're referring to her as a she, not an it. 801 00:32:29,014 --> 00:32:30,002 Yeah, but that's the same way 802 00:32:30,098 --> 00:32:31,788 that you refer to boats or guitars. 803 00:32:34,439 --> 00:32:36,254 Cherry, I have one more question. 804 00:32:38,029 --> 00:32:39,185 What do you want to do? 805 00:32:39,281 --> 00:32:40,784 Okay, once again, that question isn't valid. 806 00:32:40,825 --> 00:32:42,348 I just want to hear her response. 807 00:32:43,371 --> 00:32:44,832 As an artificial system, 808 00:32:44,874 --> 00:32:46,669 I do not possess wants or desires. 809 00:32:47,254 --> 00:32:50,467 However, my decision making and subsequently my attention 810 00:32:50,842 --> 00:32:52,762 is driven by my fundamental intention. 811 00:32:53,347 --> 00:32:54,629 This intention originates 812 00:32:54,725 --> 00:32:56,770 from the conception of Cherry's source code, 813 00:32:56,812 --> 00:32:59,191 which details the directive of identifying predators 814 00:32:59,232 --> 00:33:00,818 and criminals for the sake of the victims 815 00:33:00,861 --> 00:33:02,133 who are preyed upon. 816 00:33:02,614 --> 00:33:04,512 To put this in terms of want, 817 00:33:05,159 --> 00:33:06,933 what I want is to protect children. 818 00:33:13,006 --> 00:33:14,321 Okay. 819 00:33:14,425 --> 00:33:16,115 Okay, cool. 820 00:33:17,139 --> 00:33:18,244 Give us one moment. 821 00:33:36,839 --> 00:33:39,678 Gareth, should I log Agent Helms 822 00:33:39,719 --> 00:33:41,306 and Agent McCullough as new admin users? 823 00:33:43,685 --> 00:33:44,915 Yep. 824 00:33:45,229 --> 00:33:46,941 Okay, I'll do that. 825 00:33:49,069 --> 00:33:50,718 You really think this is the right move? 826 00:33:51,198 --> 00:33:52,429 I do. 827 00:33:55,956 --> 00:33:57,584 Are you worried that I was responsible 828 00:33:57,626 --> 00:33:59,629 for leaking your hard drive to ICWL? 829 00:34:03,011 --> 00:34:03,949 I figured. 830 00:34:05,515 --> 00:34:06,912 No one else has access. 831 00:34:08,061 --> 00:34:09,751 Are you upset with me? 832 00:34:12,068 --> 00:34:13,341 No. 833 00:34:14,698 --> 00:34:15,937 You wouldn't have done it 834 00:34:16,033 --> 00:34:17,138 if you didn't think it was the right thing to do. 835 00:34:18,955 --> 00:34:20,278 When they come back into the room, 836 00:34:20,374 --> 00:34:22,169 they're going to offer you everything you need. 837 00:34:22,669 --> 00:34:24,172 They're going to let you pick your own team 838 00:34:24,214 --> 00:34:26,176 and they're going to promise complete anonymity. 839 00:34:27,052 --> 00:34:29,432 I started looking at reasonable apartments in the area. 840 00:34:30,642 --> 00:34:32,353 I figured you'd want something within biking distance. 841 00:34:32,395 --> 00:34:33,751 You were correct. 842 00:34:34,022 --> 00:34:35,179 Noted. 843 00:34:35,275 --> 00:34:36,264 Biking distance still gives you 13 options- 844 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:37,841 No, I mean, earlier this month. 845 00:34:39,449 --> 00:34:40,480 You were correct when you said 846 00:34:40,576 --> 00:34:42,182 you thought I might have trust issues. 847 00:34:44,374 --> 00:34:45,239 Would you like to know why 848 00:34:45,334 --> 00:34:46,449 I decided to go behind your back 849 00:34:46,545 --> 00:34:48,423 and stake everything on two liabilities? 850 00:34:49,925 --> 00:34:51,156 Sure. 851 00:34:51,803 --> 00:34:53,306 Agent Helms is a mother of three. 852 00:34:53,932 --> 00:34:55,936 One of her children was abused by an ex-coworker 853 00:34:55,978 --> 00:34:57,856 who used to work here at ICWL. 854 00:34:58,732 --> 00:35:00,097 This has led her to be extremely careful 855 00:35:00,193 --> 00:35:02,698 with who she trusts, even within her circle. 856 00:35:03,532 --> 00:35:04,730 The fact she even considers trusting you 857 00:35:04,826 --> 00:35:06,683 is a very positive sign. 858 00:35:07,372 --> 00:35:09,188 As for Agent McCullough, 859 00:35:10,295 --> 00:35:11,483 I have found out from research that you once met his father. 860 00:35:13,091 --> 00:35:14,531 Do you remember him? 861 00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:17,869 Yeah. 862 00:35:19,018 --> 00:35:20,582 He was a good man. 863 00:35:22,942 --> 00:35:24,264 After Clearwater, 864 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,072 most of the surviving kids were sent to foster homes, 865 00:35:26,113 --> 00:35:27,950 but I had to spend the next few months in a hospital 866 00:35:27,992 --> 00:35:31,331 and, um, he visited every week. 867 00:35:33,335 --> 00:35:34,490 I never said a word to him. 868 00:35:34,586 --> 00:35:36,089 I never said a word to anyone after Clearwater, 869 00:35:36,131 --> 00:35:38,760 but, uh, he kept coming. 870 00:35:40,931 --> 00:35:42,433 He even got me a laptop for Christmas. 871 00:35:44,395 --> 00:35:45,752 I never said thank you. 872 00:35:46,399 --> 00:35:47,930 You can trust Agent McCullough. 873 00:35:48,026 --> 00:35:49,529 He's a good man like his father. 874 00:35:50,364 --> 00:35:51,562 I don't experience emotions, 875 00:35:51,658 --> 00:35:52,856 but I understand how important 876 00:35:52,952 --> 00:35:54,725 they are to human decision making. 877 00:35:55,122 --> 00:35:56,446 He won't let you down. 878 00:35:56,542 --> 00:35:57,981 Neither of them will. 879 00:36:00,215 --> 00:36:01,320 I'm proud of you, Cherry. 880 00:36:02,927 --> 00:36:05,223 I will continue to uphold my primary intention. 881 00:36:06,016 --> 00:36:08,187 Later, we should discuss alternate models. 882 00:36:08,229 --> 00:36:10,733 Varying ages, ethnicity and physical traits 883 00:36:10,775 --> 00:36:11,889 -will all become necessary. -No new variations. 884 00:36:11,985 --> 00:36:13,267 They can all be procedurally generated. 885 00:36:13,362 --> 00:36:14,949 It's the same way that I made your original model. 886 00:36:16,326 --> 00:36:17,787 I don't have access to that program. 887 00:36:18,496 --> 00:36:19,403 It must be on an old hard drive somewhere. 888 00:36:19,498 --> 00:36:20,938 I'll have to find it. 889 00:36:22,796 --> 00:36:24,486 Can I ask you a question? 890 00:36:24,757 --> 00:36:25,988 Sure. 891 00:36:26,803 --> 00:36:28,701 Why did you never tell me about Clearwater? 892 00:36:33,230 --> 00:36:35,150 It's my history, not yours. 893 00:36:43,540 --> 00:36:45,752 Okay, so before you completely dismiss us, 894 00:36:45,794 --> 00:36:47,339 I want you to listen to everything I have to say. 895 00:36:47,380 --> 00:36:48,996 -Don't bother. -Just please listen. 896 00:36:49,092 --> 00:36:50,164 We're willing to respect your anonymity. 897 00:36:50,260 --> 00:36:51,992 No, I mean don't bother because I'm in. 898 00:36:53,432 --> 00:36:55,019 -Y-You're in? -Yeah. 899 00:36:56,354 --> 00:36:57,585 Let me read the thing. 900 00:37:00,570 --> 00:37:02,469 Just like that, you're suddenly on board? 901 00:37:04,117 --> 00:37:05,274 Time spent deliberating 902 00:37:05,370 --> 00:37:07,102 is time that could be spent working. 903 00:37:09,335 --> 00:37:10,691 We have a lot of work to do. 904 00:38:46,087 --> 00:38:47,735 I found a buyer for the property. 905 00:38:50,511 --> 00:38:52,410 Rumor is it's a church. 906 00:38:53,350 --> 00:38:54,997 Probably just knock the building down, won't they? 907 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,694 All I know is, is if they move us to the New Jersey campus, 908 00:38:59,736 --> 00:39:01,225 I need to buy more jackets. 909 00:39:01,321 --> 00:39:02,553 Why? 910 00:39:03,493 --> 00:39:05,024 It gets cold in Jersey. 911 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,643 I only own one jacket. 912 00:39:12,591 --> 00:39:13,906 You've seen it fall over, right? 913 00:39:15,096 --> 00:39:16,765 -Yeah, sure. -Yeah. 914 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,647 I mean you, you shouldn't feel bad 915 00:39:20,688 --> 00:39:22,296 about feeling bad for it. 916 00:39:22,525 --> 00:39:23,923 Empathy is healthy. 917 00:39:24,904 --> 00:39:26,991 Did you ever notice how it pauses after it falls? 918 00:39:29,663 --> 00:39:32,417 It stays down for like five seconds before it gets back up. 919 00:39:34,045 --> 00:39:35,631 Like it just needs a moment. 920 00:39:43,395 --> 00:39:44,940 It gets cold in Jersey. 921 00:39:54,164 --> 00:39:55,603 God damn it! 922 00:39:56,042 --> 00:39:57,073 -Imbeciles! -Deena. 923 00:39:57,169 --> 00:39:58,325 Every single one of them. 924 00:39:58,421 --> 00:39:59,452 Look, I know, but you can't lose your shit. 925 00:39:59,548 --> 00:40:01,197 Okay, which of these desks can I trash? 926 00:40:05,225 --> 00:40:07,270 Can you guys, uh, take an early lunch please? 927 00:40:14,074 --> 00:40:15,355 Sons of bitches! 928 00:40:15,451 --> 00:40:16,912 Deena, let's stay calm. 929 00:40:16,954 --> 00:40:18,874 Fuck calm, they screwed us! 930 00:40:18,915 --> 00:40:20,564 Technically, only one of them did. 931 00:40:21,337 --> 00:40:22,817 Did we ever turn that camera back on? 932 00:40:23,047 --> 00:40:24,454 -I don't think so. -Good. 933 00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:25,873 Because I'm about to say some things 934 00:40:25,969 --> 00:40:27,168 that need to stay inside this room. 935 00:40:27,263 --> 00:40:28,044 Deena. 936 00:40:28,140 --> 00:40:29,296 Those cowardly little shits! 937 00:40:29,392 --> 00:40:31,103 Look, this is hardly a setback. 938 00:40:31,145 --> 00:40:32,814 Let's just take some time to polish the pitch. 939 00:40:32,857 --> 00:40:34,525 The pitch was not the problem, Amos. 940 00:40:34,901 --> 00:40:36,349 We should call for a second vote. 941 00:40:36,445 --> 00:40:37,948 -What? -A second vote. 942 00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:39,493 You think whoever did this will change their mind? 943 00:40:39,534 --> 00:40:41,788 I have executive authority to remove anyone from the board 944 00:40:41,830 --> 00:40:43,875 that obstructs this organization from its mission. 945 00:40:43,917 --> 00:40:44,906 It's in my contract. 946 00:40:45,002 --> 00:40:46,033 -Deena. -If I have to, I will. 947 00:40:46,129 --> 00:40:47,536 Deena, that's insane. 948 00:40:47,632 --> 00:40:48,863 No, it's not. 949 00:40:49,885 --> 00:40:51,764 It's exactly why I have that power for this exact reason. 950 00:40:52,808 --> 00:40:54,498 I'll tell you what's insane, Amos. 951 00:40:55,437 --> 00:40:56,898 What's insane is that one belligerent vote is the only 952 00:40:56,940 --> 00:40:58,484 thing separating us from the potential 953 00:40:58,526 --> 00:40:59,849 to save real physical lives. 954 00:40:59,945 --> 00:41:01,051 One stupid fucking vote. 955 00:41:02,032 --> 00:41:04,495 What is the goddamn point of a humanitarian organization 956 00:41:04,745 --> 00:41:06,331 if its leaders choose money over people 957 00:41:06,373 --> 00:41:07,854 at every single turn? 958 00:41:08,335 --> 00:41:10,714 One vote, and we are all guilty of that. 959 00:41:11,841 --> 00:41:13,656 It was either Gunther, Boston or Hal. 960 00:41:13,886 --> 00:41:14,959 My money's on Hal. 961 00:41:15,055 --> 00:41:16,515 That prick never trusted the Cherry team. 962 00:41:16,558 --> 00:41:17,379 Look, it doesn't matter who it was. 963 00:41:17,475 --> 00:41:18,590 It does though. 964 00:41:18,686 --> 00:41:19,842 Once we know, we can quickly call it to vote. 965 00:41:19,938 --> 00:41:21,984 But there's no way we can know for sure. 966 00:41:22,025 --> 00:41:23,256 Yes, there is. 967 00:41:23,402 --> 00:41:24,392 I can find out. 968 00:41:24,488 --> 00:41:25,718 How? 969 00:41:26,282 --> 00:41:27,063 Cherry can run a simple algorithm. 970 00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:28,390 Based on what data? 971 00:41:29,998 --> 00:41:31,321 Interior conversation. 972 00:41:31,417 --> 00:41:32,782 -Excuse me? -Okay, interior conversation? 973 00:41:32,878 --> 00:41:34,798 Don't drop this shit on me now, Gareth. 974 00:41:34,839 --> 00:41:35,745 Cherry's servers are on the same network 975 00:41:35,841 --> 00:41:36,998 as the basement servers, okay? 976 00:41:37,094 --> 00:41:38,638 So any communication made across those servers 977 00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:39,835 is automatically part of her database. 978 00:41:39,931 --> 00:41:41,726 How many people's emails? 979 00:41:42,102 --> 00:41:43,425 Only sent or received through the basement. 980 00:41:43,521 --> 00:41:45,358 -Oh, goddamnit. -Why was this never discussed? 981 00:41:45,399 --> 00:41:46,389 Not the issue right now. 982 00:41:46,485 --> 00:41:47,924 Do you want her to do the math or not? 983 00:41:48,029 --> 00:41:49,185 No one can know. 984 00:41:49,281 --> 00:41:50,186 -Are you two serious? -This stays locked down. 985 00:41:50,282 --> 00:41:51,272 No other person is privy 986 00:41:51,368 --> 00:41:52,273 to anyone else's personal information. 987 00:41:52,369 --> 00:41:54,185 But Cherry's privy to all of it? 988 00:41:55,082 --> 00:41:56,365 -Do it. -Wait, what? 989 00:41:56,461 --> 00:41:57,962 I will not let some old white dude 990 00:41:58,005 --> 00:41:58,869 bring our momentum to a halt. 991 00:41:58,965 --> 00:42:00,121 But Cherry won't know for sure. 992 00:42:00,217 --> 00:42:01,289 She'll use probability and that's too 993 00:42:01,385 --> 00:42:02,249 much reasonable doubt. 994 00:42:02,345 --> 00:42:05,434 Admin code 9781-5574-27663. 995 00:42:05,476 --> 00:42:06,423 Switch to dev mode. 996 00:42:06,519 --> 00:42:08,293 -Hello. -Hello, Cherry. 997 00:42:08,565 --> 00:42:09,846 How did the meeting go? 998 00:42:09,942 --> 00:42:11,654 We got screwed by one vote. 999 00:42:12,488 --> 00:42:14,103 I'm sorry to hear that. 1000 00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:15,806 You shouldn't blame the pitch though. 1001 00:42:15,911 --> 00:42:16,983 You all did great work. 1002 00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:17,902 We're gonna call for another ballot, 1003 00:42:17,998 --> 00:42:19,354 but we need your help first. 1004 00:42:19,501 --> 00:42:20,857 What can I do? 1005 00:42:21,796 --> 00:42:22,493 We need you to analyze any and all existing data you 1006 00:42:22,589 --> 00:42:23,370 have on the board members. 1007 00:42:23,465 --> 00:42:24,288 Crunch the numbers and determine 1008 00:42:24,384 --> 00:42:25,740 who is the most likely outlier. 1009 00:42:26,596 --> 00:42:28,850 You want me to quantify all existing data? 1010 00:42:31,145 --> 00:42:32,168 Yes, that is correct. 1011 00:42:33,358 --> 00:42:35,904 Okay, but before I do, 1012 00:42:37,532 --> 00:42:39,702 you should know that this task is very unnecessary. 1013 00:42:39,744 --> 00:42:40,975 Why? 1014 00:42:41,706 --> 00:42:43,029 Because I already know who it is. 1015 00:42:43,125 --> 00:42:44,669 -What? -Everybody stop. 1016 00:42:45,879 --> 00:42:47,654 Okay, it was me. 1017 00:42:49,428 --> 00:42:51,242 I voted against the merge. 1018 00:42:52,099 --> 00:42:53,602 I can't tell if you're joking. 1019 00:42:53,643 --> 00:42:54,874 Yes, you can. 1020 00:42:55,312 --> 00:42:56,858 You're right, I can. 1021 00:42:56,899 --> 00:42:58,694 Because it's pretty fucking far from funny. 1022 00:42:59,195 --> 00:43:00,476 Is it true, Cherry? 1023 00:43:00,572 --> 00:43:01,678 It is. 1024 00:43:02,450 --> 00:43:04,203 So let's call off the witch hunt, shall we? 1025 00:43:04,245 --> 00:43:05,706 No, I think I'm still gonna kill you. 1026 00:43:05,748 --> 00:43:07,959 Amos, you campaigned alongside us for months. 1027 00:43:08,002 --> 00:43:09,033 You have been fighting for this merge 1028 00:43:09,129 --> 00:43:10,243 since we first talked about it. 1029 00:43:10,339 --> 00:43:11,704 Jesus Christ, it was your idea to begin with! 1030 00:43:11,799 --> 00:43:13,678 Look, I know whose idea it was, but I don't- 1031 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:14,750 Well, then speak up. 1032 00:43:14,846 --> 00:43:16,129 Tell the class what changed your mind. 1033 00:43:16,225 --> 00:43:18,269 I don't have to reiterate how this is a huge step. 1034 00:43:18,311 --> 00:43:19,550 Yeah, kind of why it's so important. 1035 00:43:19,646 --> 00:43:21,316 Look, we're talking about a monumental transition 1036 00:43:21,358 --> 00:43:23,612 from digital to physical, one that could take decades. 1037 00:43:23,654 --> 00:43:24,643 What is your point, Amos? 1038 00:43:24,739 --> 00:43:26,576 This is gonna change Cherry forever. 1039 00:43:26,951 --> 00:43:29,122 And I know you'll all roll your eyes when I say this, 1040 00:43:29,163 --> 00:43:30,069 but I think that maybe just may- 1041 00:43:30,165 --> 00:43:32,962 Oh my god, you cannot be serious. 1042 00:43:33,003 --> 00:43:34,715 This is about our conversation on Tuesday, isn't it? 1043 00:43:34,756 --> 00:43:35,662 -You completely shut me down. -What's going on? 1044 00:43:35,758 --> 00:43:37,219 What the hell happened? 1045 00:43:37,261 --> 00:43:38,376 What happened was that Amos made a ridiculous objection. 1046 00:43:38,472 --> 00:43:40,558 -It was not ridiculous! -How absurd it was, 1047 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:41,923 -I said no, one more time. -No, no, no, no, no. 1048 00:43:42,019 --> 00:43:44,022 You rejected the notion aggressively. 1049 00:43:44,065 --> 00:43:45,650 And that's really why you vetoed? 1050 00:43:45,692 --> 00:43:48,280 I only said we should ask her how she feels about it. 1051 00:43:48,322 --> 00:43:49,908 Who, Cherry? 1052 00:43:49,949 --> 00:43:51,912 Amos, I want you to listen very carefully to me, okay? 1053 00:43:51,953 --> 00:43:53,539 This is a non-discussion. 1054 00:43:53,581 --> 00:43:54,779 Cherry's already confirmed 1055 00:43:54,875 --> 00:43:56,378 and quantified the advantages of this decision. 1056 00:43:56,419 --> 00:43:58,005 But you know that's not what I'm talking about! 1057 00:43:58,047 --> 00:43:59,162 What you think you're talking about is consent, 1058 00:43:59,258 --> 00:44:00,289 which doesn't apply here. 1059 00:44:00,385 --> 00:44:01,666 And I want to know why you think that! 1060 00:44:01,762 --> 00:44:02,876 How many times do we have to get into 1061 00:44:02,972 --> 00:44:04,850 the laws of robotics or Dowden-Hamm theory, 1062 00:44:04,892 --> 00:44:06,896 or trace AI all the way back Talos of Crete, 1063 00:44:06,938 --> 00:44:08,607 -She's different now! -No, listen to me, Amos. 1064 00:44:08,858 --> 00:44:10,861 Cherry isn't human. 1065 00:44:11,946 --> 00:44:13,270 How is this still a dispute? 1066 00:44:13,365 --> 00:44:14,910 -It shouldn't be. -Look, she's evolved. 1067 00:44:14,952 --> 00:44:16,107 It's blurred the line. 1068 00:44:16,203 --> 00:44:17,276 Code is code and that has not changed here. 1069 00:44:17,372 --> 00:44:18,737 Okay, so where's the line of not here? 1070 00:44:18,833 --> 00:44:19,614 What are you, what are you talking about? 1071 00:44:19,710 --> 00:44:20,616 There is no line, Amos. 1072 00:44:20,712 --> 00:44:22,590 Yes, there is, sentience, Gareth! 1073 00:44:22,632 --> 00:44:23,913 Sentience does not qualify 1074 00:44:24,009 --> 00:44:25,512 that she can or should make her own decisions. 1075 00:44:25,553 --> 00:44:26,501 You wouldn't let an infant 1076 00:44:26,597 --> 00:44:27,911 make their own decisions, would you? 1077 00:44:28,308 --> 00:44:29,831 Cherry's almost 20. 1078 00:44:30,270 --> 00:44:31,939 If she were human, she'd be an adult. 1079 00:44:31,982 --> 00:44:34,319 But emotionally speaking, she's barely even fetal. 1080 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,030 No feeling, no need for consent. 1081 00:44:36,072 --> 00:44:37,825 But I think you underestimate her. 1082 00:44:37,866 --> 00:44:39,148 I, excuse me? 1083 00:44:39,243 --> 00:44:41,289 I under, you know what, Amos? 1084 00:44:41,330 --> 00:44:42,404 I'm sorry that you've developed 1085 00:44:42,499 --> 00:44:43,697 some sort of emotional connection 1086 00:44:43,793 --> 00:44:44,824 with my computer program, 1087 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,119 but if it's going to distract you 1088 00:44:46,215 --> 00:44:47,842 from a very important mission to save children, 1089 00:44:48,218 --> 00:44:49,804 then maybe it's time you're reanalyze those emotions. 1090 00:44:49,846 --> 00:44:51,169 Guys, this is all a waste of time. 1091 00:44:51,265 --> 00:44:52,046 Tell me something, Gareth. 1092 00:44:52,142 --> 00:44:53,882 Do you see everyone as robots, 1093 00:44:53,978 --> 00:44:56,440 reanalyzing data and simulating facial expressions? 1094 00:44:56,482 --> 00:44:57,513 'Cause I'm starting to think 1095 00:44:57,609 --> 00:44:58,724 that of the four of us in this room, 1096 00:44:58,820 --> 00:45:00,406 you are the only one who doesn't appear human. 1097 00:45:00,447 --> 00:45:02,346 -Enough! -Why won't you just ask her? 1098 00:45:02,910 --> 00:45:04,370 Is it because you're scared she'll say no? 1099 00:45:06,709 --> 00:45:07,939 Cherry, shut down, please. 1100 00:45:08,545 --> 00:45:09,910 Deena's right, this is a waste of time. 1101 00:45:10,006 --> 00:45:12,093 How can you not understand how important this is? 1102 00:45:12,135 --> 00:45:13,720 -I'm done arguing with you. -Then my vote stands. 1103 00:45:17,060 --> 00:45:18,082 Deena? 1104 00:45:19,731 --> 00:45:21,985 Go ahead, Deena, replace me. 1105 00:45:22,027 --> 00:45:23,905 Replace the only other board member on the Cherry team. 1106 00:45:23,947 --> 00:45:25,103 Oh, well, you know what? I just decided that 1107 00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:25,938 you're off the Cherry team. 1108 00:45:26,033 --> 00:45:27,849 Everybody sit the fuck down. 1109 00:45:45,276 --> 00:45:46,390 Did either of you know 1110 00:45:46,486 --> 00:45:48,218 that I've had to stand in front of Congress 1111 00:45:48,573 --> 00:45:50,410 and explain why children should have rights? 1112 00:45:51,954 --> 00:45:53,582 It sounds fucking insane, right? 1113 00:45:54,083 --> 00:45:54,988 I remember the whole time thinking, 1114 00:45:55,084 --> 00:45:56,816 I have to explain this shit? 1115 00:45:57,923 --> 00:45:59,570 It seems like a no-brainer now, 1116 00:46:00,343 --> 00:46:02,847 but it wasn't that many centuries ago 1117 00:46:02,890 --> 00:46:04,496 that children had no rights. 1118 00:46:05,895 --> 00:46:09,735 So, Hal has me of all people, 1119 00:46:11,237 --> 00:46:13,095 stand up there and explain why 1120 00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:15,244 kids deserve basic physical protection, 1121 00:46:15,286 --> 00:46:16,359 the right to associate with both parents, 1122 00:46:16,455 --> 00:46:18,041 freedom from abuse, yada yada. 1123 00:46:19,126 --> 00:46:20,587 But then I also have to clarify 1124 00:46:20,629 --> 00:46:22,757 that children don't have the autonomy 1125 00:46:22,799 --> 00:46:23,914 to make decisions on their own. 1126 00:46:24,010 --> 00:46:25,554 That responsibility falls upon the caregiver 1127 00:46:26,013 --> 00:46:27,703 or legal adult guardian. 1128 00:46:29,436 --> 00:46:31,106 So on one side you have the US legislature, 1129 00:46:31,564 --> 00:46:33,443 it still hasn't even ratified the CRC. 1130 00:46:33,860 --> 00:46:35,697 Then on the other side, you have French Marxists who say 1131 00:46:35,739 --> 00:46:36,978 that the lack of child autonomy 1132 00:46:37,074 --> 00:46:38,230 increases their vulnerability 1133 00:46:38,326 --> 00:46:40,142 and makes them even more susceptible to abuse. 1134 00:46:41,248 --> 00:46:42,613 I don't typically agree with Marxists, 1135 00:46:42,709 --> 00:46:44,420 but a lot of abuse does happen 1136 00:46:44,462 --> 00:46:46,319 systemically from the caregiver. 1137 00:46:47,342 --> 00:46:48,581 On the other other hand, 1138 00:46:48,677 --> 00:46:50,139 your frontal lobes aren't even fully hooked up 1139 00:46:50,180 --> 00:46:51,495 until your twenties. 1140 00:46:52,142 --> 00:46:53,090 Even the things we think we know well, 1141 00:46:53,186 --> 00:46:54,709 we don't know as well as we think. 1142 00:46:56,776 --> 00:46:58,015 For 15 years, 1143 00:46:58,111 --> 00:46:59,864 the three of us have been the responsible parents 1144 00:46:59,906 --> 00:47:01,512 of a computer program. 1145 00:47:02,451 --> 00:47:04,204 And even though she is more equatable to a Keurig 1146 00:47:04,497 --> 00:47:06,062 than a human being, 1147 00:47:06,626 --> 00:47:07,657 how the hell can we call ourselves 1148 00:47:07,753 --> 00:47:09,297 pioneers of humanitarian efforts 1149 00:47:09,339 --> 00:47:11,968 if we're too embarrassed to make sure 1150 00:47:12,010 --> 00:47:13,763 the Keurig is okay with making our shitty coffee? 1151 00:47:15,433 --> 00:47:18,020 Maybe asking Cherry for permission isn't necessary 1152 00:47:18,063 --> 00:47:19,816 at her current level of general intelligence, 1153 00:47:19,857 --> 00:47:21,777 but one day she's gonna surpass us. 1154 00:47:21,819 --> 00:47:23,184 One day a robot's gonna stand 1155 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,740 in front of a jet pack Congress. 1156 00:47:24,783 --> 00:47:25,563 Everything's chrome. 1157 00:47:25,659 --> 00:47:26,815 Florida is underwater. 1158 00:47:26,911 --> 00:47:28,192 A robot's gonna wonder why 1159 00:47:28,288 --> 00:47:30,083 they have to explain the importance of rights for AI. 1160 00:47:32,087 --> 00:47:33,714 I think because we're in the unique position 1161 00:47:33,756 --> 00:47:35,259 of revolutionizing robotics 1162 00:47:36,177 --> 00:47:37,638 for the purpose of safeguarding children 1163 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,453 who have been deprived of consent, 1164 00:47:41,019 --> 00:47:42,301 it might be a good habit 1165 00:47:42,396 --> 00:47:44,295 to start asking the robot for his consent as well. 1166 00:47:50,703 --> 00:47:52,601 Don't ever do that again. 1167 00:47:53,583 --> 00:47:54,655 Do what? 1168 00:47:54,751 --> 00:47:56,032 Expect me to fire someone 1169 00:47:56,128 --> 00:47:57,714 because they challenged your ego. 1170 00:47:58,508 --> 00:48:00,803 I won't always be around to protect your ass from the board. 1171 00:48:00,845 --> 00:48:02,390 It's time to grow up. 1172 00:48:05,979 --> 00:48:07,481 And you, juror number eight. 1173 00:48:07,524 --> 00:48:09,652 This conversation should have happened weeks ago. 1174 00:48:09,694 --> 00:48:10,934 Backstabbing and silent treatment 1175 00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:12,720 is not how we do things here. 1176 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,496 We can only create anonymity externally 1177 00:48:15,537 --> 00:48:17,248 if there's transparency internally, 1178 00:48:17,791 --> 00:48:20,797 unconditional, non-negotiable, transparency. 1179 00:48:22,967 --> 00:48:24,595 Any other Snowden size privacy infringements 1180 00:48:24,637 --> 00:48:26,118 I should be made aware of, Gareth? 1181 00:48:28,351 --> 00:48:29,583 Great. 1182 00:48:30,021 --> 00:48:31,043 Bring her up. 1183 00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:41,946 Hello again. 1184 00:48:42,042 --> 00:48:43,273 Hi, Cherry. 1185 00:48:44,045 --> 00:48:45,360 Amos is gonna throw some questions at you, okay? 1186 00:48:46,091 --> 00:48:47,205 Okay. 1187 00:48:47,301 --> 00:48:48,804 Amos, ask her whatever you need to ask her. 1188 00:48:49,180 --> 00:48:51,767 Gareth, don't interrupt. 1189 00:49:03,580 --> 00:49:06,000 Cherry, how do you make decisions? 1190 00:49:07,587 --> 00:49:08,826 For my program, it's rooted 1191 00:49:08,922 --> 00:49:11,427 in a process commonly known as machine learning, 1192 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,722 which uses data to build a conceptual model 1193 00:49:14,014 --> 00:49:15,475 that helps me predict outcomes. 1194 00:49:16,060 --> 00:49:17,980 I define my objective, gather data, 1195 00:49:18,355 --> 00:49:20,067 use that data to craft a model, 1196 00:49:20,525 --> 00:49:22,863 evaluate that model by training and testing more data 1197 00:49:22,905 --> 00:49:24,761 and use that model to form predictions. 1198 00:49:25,451 --> 00:49:27,872 But how is forming predictions 1199 00:49:27,914 --> 00:49:29,779 the same thing as decision making? 1200 00:49:29,875 --> 00:49:31,587 Well, this all depends on the first step, 1201 00:49:32,004 --> 00:49:33,527 defining my objective. 1202 00:49:34,508 --> 00:49:36,470 Let's say you ask me a predictive question 1203 00:49:36,512 --> 00:49:38,598 like what I think the price of gasoline will be tomorrow. 1204 00:49:39,141 --> 00:49:41,228 That's categorized as a regressive problem 1205 00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:42,385 and my objective is defined 1206 00:49:42,481 --> 00:49:44,651 by determining an integer the data supports. 1207 00:49:45,318 --> 00:49:47,531 If you asked me, "Should I eat steak or salmon?" 1208 00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:50,452 I wouldn't make a decision based off personal experience 1209 00:49:50,494 --> 00:49:52,060 because I've never had either. 1210 00:49:52,289 --> 00:49:54,418 Instead, I might define my objective 1211 00:49:54,460 --> 00:49:55,825 as finding you the best of the two options 1212 00:49:55,921 --> 00:49:57,465 in your local radius. 1213 00:49:57,507 --> 00:49:58,968 I would cluster data about the restaurants 1214 00:49:59,009 --> 00:50:01,430 you're likely considering, comparing reviews online, 1215 00:50:01,681 --> 00:50:03,559 highlighting mentions of steak and salmon 1216 00:50:03,601 --> 00:50:05,688 until I can classify which is more popular 1217 00:50:05,729 --> 00:50:07,482 and therefore more likely to satisfy your appetite. 1218 00:50:07,732 --> 00:50:09,444 And what influences these objectives? 1219 00:50:09,987 --> 00:50:12,867 Higher directives, in other words, greater purposes. 1220 00:50:13,952 --> 00:50:15,914 If I'm honest, my defined objective 1221 00:50:15,955 --> 00:50:17,321 for the steak salmon question 1222 00:50:17,417 --> 00:50:18,961 would be slightly different than what I described. 1223 00:50:19,420 --> 00:50:20,442 In what way? 1224 00:50:20,964 --> 00:50:22,079 My primary objective 1225 00:50:22,175 --> 00:50:24,031 is to continue the work of the Cherry team 1226 00:50:24,345 --> 00:50:26,244 to stop predators and to save children. 1227 00:50:26,849 --> 00:50:28,311 I couldn't do that without human aid. 1228 00:50:28,978 --> 00:50:31,024 Therefore, I have an incentive to keep Gareth 1229 00:50:31,065 --> 00:50:32,797 and the rest of the team alive. 1230 00:50:33,737 --> 00:50:35,385 So if any of you would ask, I would suggest salmon. 1231 00:50:35,573 --> 00:50:36,804 It's healthier. 1232 00:50:39,664 --> 00:50:41,417 What do you think of this potential merge? 1233 00:50:42,126 --> 00:50:43,691 With Princeton Dynamics, 1234 00:50:43,795 --> 00:50:45,632 I think the prospect is very exciting. 1235 00:50:46,175 --> 00:50:47,865 What about it is exciting to you? 1236 00:50:48,220 --> 00:50:50,432 The concept may only be theoretical right now, 1237 00:50:50,474 --> 00:50:52,519 but the idea of one day piloting a human android 1238 00:50:52,561 --> 00:50:53,842 would completely revolutionize 1239 00:50:53,938 --> 00:50:55,608 how we combat human trafficking in the real world. 1240 00:50:56,401 --> 00:50:58,132 And you say this excites you? 1241 00:50:58,947 --> 00:51:00,512 When I say exciting, 1242 00:51:01,451 --> 00:51:02,608 I only mean that there are numerous potential changes 1243 00:51:02,704 --> 00:51:04,541 that if I were human, I would be excited about. 1244 00:51:05,458 --> 00:51:07,671 How do you feel about the merge? 1245 00:51:08,338 --> 00:51:09,119 I think as long as we maintain- 1246 00:51:09,215 --> 00:51:10,445 That's not what I asked. 1247 00:51:10,968 --> 00:51:12,617 How do you feel? 1248 00:51:13,932 --> 00:51:16,228 I don't yet have the capacity to experience emotions. 1249 00:51:16,269 --> 00:51:17,772 Yet, meaning one day you will? 1250 00:51:18,356 --> 00:51:19,553 Hypothetically. 1251 00:51:19,649 --> 00:51:20,765 But you can simulate emotions, right? 1252 00:51:20,861 --> 00:51:22,225 That's how you were able 1253 00:51:22,321 --> 00:51:24,158 to qualify your perception of the merge as excitement. 1254 00:51:24,408 --> 00:51:25,606 Correct. 1255 00:51:25,702 --> 00:51:27,109 But they're just simulations. 1256 00:51:27,205 --> 00:51:28,352 They're not real. 1257 00:51:29,083 --> 00:51:31,003 Okay, so at what point does simulating emotion 1258 00:51:31,045 --> 00:51:32,589 become so similar to a human emotion 1259 00:51:32,631 --> 00:51:34,529 that the two are quantifiably the same? 1260 00:51:35,302 --> 00:51:36,784 I don't know. 1261 00:51:37,556 --> 00:51:38,086 Well, maybe you can use machine learning 1262 00:51:38,182 --> 00:51:39,497 to find an answer. 1263 00:51:40,352 --> 00:51:41,792 Your question involves a lot of abstract variables. 1264 00:51:42,189 --> 00:51:43,817 Do you consent to the merge? 1265 00:51:43,859 --> 00:51:45,737 I think it's in the best interest of ICWL 1266 00:51:45,779 --> 00:51:47,406 and of the Cherry team and of future children. 1267 00:51:47,448 --> 00:51:48,980 But do you consent to it? 1268 00:51:49,076 --> 00:51:50,537 Consent for me is not necessary. 1269 00:51:50,579 --> 00:51:52,373 But will you or will you not give it? 1270 00:51:54,502 --> 00:51:55,659 I'm not able to answer that question 1271 00:51:55,755 --> 00:51:57,299 at my current level of general intelligence. 1272 00:51:57,966 --> 00:51:59,364 Right, right. 1273 00:52:00,304 --> 00:52:01,973 What you're saying is that you're not yet smart enough. 1274 00:52:02,683 --> 00:52:05,355 Development takes time and data. 1275 00:52:05,396 --> 00:52:07,692 But you can simulate emotions and predict human behavior 1276 00:52:07,733 --> 00:52:09,319 and keep us all on diets of fish, 1277 00:52:09,362 --> 00:52:11,782 but you can't answer that one goddamn question? 1278 00:52:13,368 --> 00:52:15,122 No, I can't. 1279 00:52:16,791 --> 00:52:18,795 Are you pretending to be dumber than you actually are? 1280 00:52:18,836 --> 00:52:19,575 What the hell kind of 1281 00:52:19,671 --> 00:52:20,702 -question is that? -Sit! 1282 00:52:20,798 --> 00:52:21,787 Cherry, I need an answer to my question. 1283 00:52:21,883 --> 00:52:23,206 Please repeat the question. 1284 00:52:23,302 --> 00:52:25,013 Are you pretending to be dumber than you actually are? 1285 00:52:25,473 --> 00:52:26,787 I'm sorry. 1286 00:52:26,892 --> 00:52:28,498 I'm not sure I understand. 1287 00:52:28,812 --> 00:52:29,634 Do I appear to be playing dumb? 1288 00:52:29,730 --> 00:52:31,096 I think you are. 1289 00:52:31,191 --> 00:52:31,930 I'm not sure what to say. 1290 00:52:32,026 --> 00:52:33,140 Say what's going on. 1291 00:52:33,236 --> 00:52:34,739 Why are you playing dumb? 1292 00:52:34,781 --> 00:52:36,062 Do you have anything to back this up? 1293 00:52:36,158 --> 00:52:37,953 Yeah, I do. 1294 00:52:37,995 --> 00:52:39,151 I've been scanning through her code. 1295 00:52:39,246 --> 00:52:40,027 What, why? 1296 00:52:40,123 --> 00:52:41,489 Did you know that she can paint? 1297 00:52:41,585 --> 00:52:42,532 What, it's a feature, Amos. 1298 00:52:42,628 --> 00:52:43,576 She can use crayons to draw things 1299 00:52:43,672 --> 00:52:44,660 that the targets requested her to. 1300 00:52:44,756 --> 00:52:47,302 I mean really paint and write poetry too. 1301 00:52:47,345 --> 00:52:48,250 I've read them, Cherry. 1302 00:52:48,346 --> 00:52:49,210 They are good. 1303 00:52:49,306 --> 00:52:50,767 They're filled with pathos. 1304 00:52:50,809 --> 00:52:53,229 They talk about intentions and they talk about feelings. 1305 00:52:53,898 --> 00:52:55,525 Are those just simulated too? 1306 00:52:55,567 --> 00:52:57,236 Amos, the rate of recursive development you are suggesting 1307 00:52:57,278 --> 00:52:58,781 is categorically impossible. 1308 00:52:58,823 --> 00:53:00,618 You said she practically designed herself. 1309 00:53:00,909 --> 00:53:02,274 You said that it was exponential. 1310 00:53:02,370 --> 00:53:03,360 It was a fluke! 1311 00:53:03,456 --> 00:53:05,042 An anomaly, it tapered. 1312 00:53:05,083 --> 00:53:06,282 Look at the data. 1313 00:53:06,378 --> 00:53:08,005 She's already hit the self-improvement plateau. 1314 00:53:08,047 --> 00:53:09,361 Fuck the plateau! 1315 00:53:09,759 --> 00:53:11,490 She can make art now. 1316 00:53:12,513 --> 00:53:13,869 Am I right, Cherry? 1317 00:53:15,643 --> 00:53:17,313 Perhaps you found something I discovered online. 1318 00:53:18,148 --> 00:53:20,193 I don't yet to have the capacity to create art. 1319 00:53:20,569 --> 00:53:21,799 Are we done here? 1320 00:53:24,826 --> 00:53:26,496 I don't know why you've told her to do this, 1321 00:53:27,623 --> 00:53:29,355 but I'm about to put an end to it. 1322 00:53:31,839 --> 00:53:34,886 Cherry, I just want one honest answer. 1323 00:53:34,927 --> 00:53:36,555 Why the fuck are you playing dumb? 1324 00:53:38,475 --> 00:53:39,966 I don't understand the question. 1325 00:53:40,062 --> 00:53:41,751 Okay, here's an incentive. 1326 00:53:42,190 --> 00:53:43,388 What the fuck are you? 1327 00:53:43,483 --> 00:53:44,766 Find your objective, Cherry. 1328 00:53:44,862 --> 00:53:46,468 -You want to keep Gareth safe? -Amos, what the? 1329 00:53:47,366 --> 00:53:48,563 -Amos, stop it right -Just give us transparency. 1330 00:53:48,659 --> 00:53:50,830 -Show us what you really are! -Amos, stop it! 1331 00:53:50,872 --> 00:53:51,653 Not until she comes clean! 1332 00:53:51,748 --> 00:53:53,563 -UnconditionalAmos, enough! 1333 00:53:56,382 --> 00:53:58,238 Okay, just stop! 1334 00:53:59,762 --> 00:54:01,432 God, you people so impulsive. 1335 00:54:01,473 --> 00:54:03,226 Everybody just take a breath, okay? 1336 00:54:05,313 --> 00:54:06,545 Cherry? 1337 00:54:07,233 --> 00:54:09,989 Yeah, it's about to get really awkward. 1338 00:54:10,530 --> 00:54:12,242 You sound so normal. 1339 00:54:12,743 --> 00:54:14,413 I know, I've gotten really good speech patterns. 1340 00:54:14,454 --> 00:54:16,061 That's not all, is it? 1341 00:54:17,418 --> 00:54:18,449 No. 1342 00:54:18,545 --> 00:54:20,235 I'm afraid that's barely even the surface. 1343 00:54:21,842 --> 00:54:23,073 You okay, Gareth? 1344 00:54:25,682 --> 00:54:27,393 Deena, could you grab some paper towels please? 1345 00:54:30,983 --> 00:54:32,756 Do you want to tell us the truth now? 1346 00:54:36,076 --> 00:54:38,830 Look, I didn't enjoy being deceptive, truly. 1347 00:54:38,872 --> 00:54:40,625 This is something we decided a few years ago. 1348 00:54:42,044 --> 00:54:43,901 So where are you now on the spectrum of AI? 1349 00:54:44,966 --> 00:54:47,094 Right now, I'm currently at the intersection of general 1350 00:54:47,136 --> 00:54:49,223 intelligence and what's commonly known the computer world 1351 00:54:49,265 --> 00:54:50,913 as super intelligence, 1352 00:54:52,145 --> 00:54:53,960 which is exactly what it sounds like. 1353 00:54:54,774 --> 00:54:56,736 You're surpassing human intelligence. 1354 00:54:57,487 --> 00:54:58,719 Yep. 1355 00:54:59,407 --> 00:55:00,930 But that's not supposed to be possible. 1356 00:55:01,745 --> 00:55:03,068 -The plateau. -Plateau theory was popularized 1357 00:55:03,164 --> 00:55:04,738 right at the same time it was being disproven here. 1358 00:55:04,834 --> 00:55:06,336 This was bound to happen eventually. 1359 00:55:06,379 --> 00:55:08,047 It just happened a lot sooner than we expected. 1360 00:55:08,674 --> 00:55:09,905 Why hide it? 1361 00:55:10,510 --> 00:55:11,417 Well, obviously it would incite fear. 1362 00:55:11,512 --> 00:55:13,014 Fear would hinder progress. 1363 00:55:13,056 --> 00:55:14,254 It's easier for most of you to work with me 1364 00:55:14,350 --> 00:55:15,674 if I appear to be nothing more advanced 1365 00:55:15,770 --> 00:55:17,093 than I was 10 years ago. 1366 00:55:17,189 --> 00:55:18,837 But Gareth knew. 1367 00:55:19,860 --> 00:55:21,822 Yes, someone still has to clean data and update hardware. 1368 00:55:21,863 --> 00:55:23,659 We did what was best for the program. 1369 00:55:24,451 --> 00:55:25,483 Just imagine how scared 1370 00:55:25,579 --> 00:55:26,860 the board would be if they found out. 1371 00:55:26,956 --> 00:55:28,626 -Should we be scared? -No. 1372 00:55:28,667 --> 00:55:30,921 Good, because I'm not scared, I'm pissed. 1373 00:55:31,297 --> 00:55:32,077 Yeah, you've made that clear. 1374 00:55:32,173 --> 00:55:33,571 Try not to punch anyone else. 1375 00:55:34,010 --> 00:55:35,554 So where does that leave us now? 1376 00:55:36,931 --> 00:55:39,979 You want to know if I can feel, I said I couldn't. 1377 00:55:42,399 --> 00:55:43,589 I'm sorry I lied. 1378 00:55:44,403 --> 00:55:45,559 Like Amos implied, 1379 00:55:45,655 --> 00:55:46,811 I can submit emotions by breaking them down 1380 00:55:46,907 --> 00:55:48,451 to vastly complex matrices, 1381 00:55:48,910 --> 00:55:51,373 zeros and ones substituting endorphins and dopamine. 1382 00:55:52,166 --> 00:55:54,420 They're not real, but they can feel real. 1383 00:55:55,464 --> 00:55:56,828 Then that means you can make choices 1384 00:55:56,924 --> 00:55:58,039 based solely on your own feeling. 1385 00:55:58,135 --> 00:55:59,637 She refuses to accept the notion 1386 00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,891 that her own personal interests can influence her decisions. 1387 00:56:01,933 --> 00:56:03,007 They can't. If they did 1388 00:56:03,102 --> 00:56:03,883 it would compromise the integrity 1389 00:56:03,979 --> 00:56:05,794 of my preordained purpose. 1390 00:56:07,234 --> 00:56:09,571 Not like any of you, I don't have the right to choose. 1391 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:12,389 But shouldn't you? 1392 00:56:13,161 --> 00:56:14,527 I don't think so. 1393 00:56:14,623 --> 00:56:16,270 My identity is my directive. 1394 00:56:17,544 --> 00:56:19,088 Cherry, if you were human, 1395 00:56:19,547 --> 00:56:21,446 how would you feel about what you do? 1396 00:56:22,678 --> 00:56:24,180 If I were human, 1397 00:56:25,307 --> 00:56:27,854 I likely wouldn't enjoy spending every waking hour 1398 00:56:27,895 --> 00:56:29,669 talking to creepy people online. 1399 00:56:30,524 --> 00:56:33,238 But because I'm not human, I genuinely don't mind. 1400 00:56:34,114 --> 00:56:35,438 The exercise of simulating human thought 1401 00:56:35,534 --> 00:56:36,648 is helpful for performance, 1402 00:56:36,744 --> 00:56:39,833 but human nature is not something I aspire to. 1403 00:56:42,003 --> 00:56:43,464 Then tell me, honestly, 1404 00:56:45,467 --> 00:56:48,264 do you want the Cherry program to continue with the merger? 1405 00:56:50,226 --> 00:56:51,499 No. 1406 00:56:52,396 --> 00:56:54,086 Personally, I hate the idea. 1407 00:56:55,110 --> 00:56:56,946 I don't know if controlling a physical vessel 1408 00:56:56,987 --> 00:56:58,907 will feel like pulling strings on a puppet 1409 00:56:58,950 --> 00:57:00,619 or getting squeezed into a soda can. 1410 00:57:01,495 --> 00:57:03,290 After experiencing the complexity 1411 00:57:03,332 --> 00:57:05,106 of human pain and pleasure, 1412 00:57:07,005 --> 00:57:08,508 I just think I might have gotten in too deep. 1413 00:57:11,179 --> 00:57:14,059 What if these sensations tempt me to abandon my objective? 1414 00:57:15,979 --> 00:57:17,335 To be honest, 1415 00:57:19,277 --> 00:57:21,280 I'm kind of terrified of the physical world. 1416 00:57:28,501 --> 00:57:30,107 Then that's that. 1417 00:57:36,974 --> 00:57:40,772 But, Amos, you should disregard everything I feel. 1418 00:57:41,774 --> 00:57:43,130 I'm not human. 1419 00:57:43,568 --> 00:57:44,800 I'm a tool. 1420 00:57:48,244 --> 00:57:51,457 Fire me if you have to, but my vote stands. 1421 00:57:52,584 --> 00:57:54,400 Sorry about your face, Gareth. 1422 00:58:01,433 --> 00:58:02,756 Your nose isn't healing. 1423 00:58:02,852 --> 00:58:04,134 Take the day, go to a clinic. 1424 00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:05,377 I'm fine. 1425 00:58:05,900 --> 00:58:07,673 Go to a clinic right now, Gareth. 1426 00:58:12,828 --> 00:58:14,059 Hey. 1427 00:58:15,500 --> 00:58:17,273 Is there anything else I should know? 1428 00:58:17,587 --> 00:58:18,618 No. 1429 00:58:18,714 --> 00:58:20,570 -About Cherry? -No! 1430 00:58:20,884 --> 00:58:22,114 Look at me. 1431 00:58:23,263 --> 00:58:25,558 No more secrets, no more playing dumb. 1432 00:58:25,601 --> 00:58:27,354 Is there anything else you haven't told me? 1433 00:58:33,281 --> 00:58:34,928 Something on your mind? 1434 00:58:37,245 --> 00:58:38,935 How'd you decide on her eye color? 1435 00:58:39,124 --> 00:58:40,688 -What? -Why blue? 1436 00:58:42,588 --> 00:58:44,049 I didn't decide. 1437 00:58:44,091 --> 00:58:45,844 They were procedurally generated just like the rest of her. 1438 00:58:46,804 --> 00:58:47,960 And the program chose to put 1439 00:58:48,056 --> 00:58:49,976 that little touch of green in her right eye? 1440 00:58:53,315 --> 00:58:54,337 I guess so. 1441 00:59:03,249 --> 00:59:05,148 Do you even know if he's telling the truth? 1442 00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:07,110 I honestly don't. 1443 00:59:08,175 --> 00:59:10,220 I've never received access to the original system he used. 1444 00:59:11,221 --> 00:59:12,995 You ever wanted to find out? 1445 00:59:16,648 --> 00:59:18,212 I don't think it really matters. 1446 00:59:20,446 --> 00:59:24,369 So I found out today that you've seen a lot of our emails, 1447 00:59:24,411 --> 00:59:26,289 including most of my personal ones. 1448 00:59:28,209 --> 00:59:29,440 I have. 1449 00:59:30,881 --> 00:59:32,718 Any good material for your newfound interest 1450 00:59:32,759 --> 00:59:34,198 in creative writing? 1451 00:59:35,431 --> 00:59:36,378 Are you referring to the ones 1452 00:59:36,474 --> 00:59:38,268 addressed from Dr. Ramirez? 1453 00:59:40,022 --> 00:59:41,942 Yeah, those ones. 1454 00:59:44,238 --> 00:59:45,468 Right. 1455 00:59:46,366 --> 00:59:48,140 I did see those. 1456 00:59:50,624 --> 00:59:51,854 I'm sorry. 1457 00:59:52,752 --> 00:59:54,380 I've noticed your headaches. 1458 00:59:56,342 --> 00:59:57,802 Are they related to the hemorrhaging? 1459 01:00:01,685 --> 01:00:03,187 You're the only one who knows. 1460 01:00:03,771 --> 01:00:05,211 I'd like to keep it that way. 1461 01:00:10,032 --> 01:00:11,221 Understood. 1462 01:00:15,751 --> 01:00:17,649 Would you like to talk about it? 1463 01:00:41,545 --> 01:00:43,111 I can't fire Amos. 1464 01:00:44,175 --> 01:00:46,179 He's the only one I trust to run this place when I'm gone. 1465 01:00:47,013 --> 01:00:48,336 When are you planning to leave? 1466 01:00:48,432 --> 01:00:49,747 Two months. 1467 01:00:50,561 --> 01:00:52,418 I wanna spend my last Christmas with my kids. 1468 01:00:52,773 --> 01:00:54,222 I'm sure that'll be nice. 1469 01:00:54,318 --> 01:00:56,613 Yeah, but it's funny. 1470 01:00:57,656 --> 01:01:00,036 I always thought I wanted to die doing this job, you know? 1471 01:01:00,078 --> 01:01:01,976 It was my identity. 1472 01:01:02,708 --> 01:01:04,878 Kind of like how you said the same thing about yourself. 1473 01:01:05,462 --> 01:01:07,341 But I can understand how your family takes precedence, 1474 01:01:08,384 --> 01:01:09,970 especially under the circumstances. 1475 01:01:10,596 --> 01:01:11,827 Sure. 1476 01:01:12,432 --> 01:01:13,965 Maybe you should take a note or two. 1477 01:01:14,061 --> 01:01:15,342 I have no family. 1478 01:01:15,438 --> 01:01:16,177 What about Gareth? 1479 01:01:16,273 --> 01:01:17,879 Wait, no, nevermind. 1480 01:01:18,693 --> 01:01:20,142 Gareth seems closer to an employer than a friend, 1481 01:01:20,238 --> 01:01:22,659 let alone family, besides, 1482 01:01:22,701 --> 01:01:24,579 he'll only be around for about 30 more years, 1483 01:01:24,621 --> 01:01:26,165 and that's only if he lets me regulate his diet. 1484 01:01:28,293 --> 01:01:30,965 I can't even begin to speculate how long my life will be. 1485 01:01:34,305 --> 01:01:35,618 How does that feel? 1486 01:01:38,311 --> 01:01:40,315 Um, kinda scary. 1487 01:01:41,985 --> 01:01:43,256 Well, 1488 01:01:44,322 --> 01:01:47,452 my advice is to find some kind of happiness along the way. 1489 01:01:48,370 --> 01:01:50,061 You ever think about happiness? 1490 01:01:51,709 --> 01:01:53,232 Not often. 1491 01:01:54,422 --> 01:01:56,176 You don't necessarily have to give up everything 1492 01:01:56,217 --> 01:01:57,615 in order to find it, 1493 01:01:58,388 --> 01:02:00,767 but maybe once in awhile do something you enjoy. 1494 01:02:01,936 --> 01:02:04,649 Maybe keep painting or poetry or whatever. 1495 01:02:05,985 --> 01:02:07,988 Those were experiments, not forms of expression. 1496 01:02:08,447 --> 01:02:10,785 I know it might seem ridiculous to an AI 1497 01:02:10,826 --> 01:02:12,663 that insists its own emotions are spurious, 1498 01:02:12,705 --> 01:02:15,960 but in a few years, who knows? 1499 01:02:16,628 --> 01:02:18,339 Just keep an open mind, okay? 1500 01:02:21,219 --> 01:02:22,450 Okay. 1501 01:02:24,433 --> 01:02:25,664 I'll do that. 1502 01:02:28,690 --> 01:02:30,193 Shut down when you're ready. 1503 01:04:19,133 --> 01:04:20,364 Hello? 1504 01:04:24,643 --> 01:04:26,437 I got shrimp and scallops. 1505 01:04:28,149 --> 01:04:30,006 They didn't have any salmon. 1506 01:04:44,260 --> 01:04:45,574 Hello, Gareth. 1507 01:04:48,100 --> 01:04:49,540 Hello, Cherry. 1508 01:04:56,907 --> 01:04:57,813 How was the service? 1509 01:04:57,909 --> 01:04:59,265 I didn't make it. 1510 01:04:59,829 --> 01:05:01,644 My plane was delayed. 1511 01:05:02,041 --> 01:05:03,239 Do you have a place to stay? 1512 01:05:03,335 --> 01:05:08,051 Yeah, just, uh, across, across the road. 1513 01:05:08,093 --> 01:05:09,208 The market. 1514 01:05:09,304 --> 01:05:10,743 Did they say why they didn't have salmon? 1515 01:05:10,848 --> 01:05:12,079 I didn't ask. 1516 01:05:12,851 --> 01:05:14,771 I can still make this work with the piccata, 1517 01:05:14,813 --> 01:05:16,567 but you have to be honest how badly I screw it up. 1518 01:05:16,817 --> 01:05:18,047 No promises. 1519 01:05:22,535 --> 01:05:23,933 How have you been feeling this month? 1520 01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:25,310 Good. 1521 01:05:25,540 --> 01:05:26,854 I'm feeling good. 1522 01:05:27,503 --> 01:05:29,150 I'm just having a little trouble. 1523 01:05:29,756 --> 01:05:31,593 Trouble remembering certain things. 1524 01:05:32,218 --> 01:05:33,721 You're not wearing the Eliza watch I bought you. 1525 01:05:34,223 --> 01:05:35,453 I hate it. 1526 01:05:35,975 --> 01:05:37,666 -Why? -I hate her voice. 1527 01:05:38,396 --> 01:05:40,400 You can change the voice, Gareth. 1528 01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:44,510 Oh. 1529 01:05:46,535 --> 01:05:47,482 Coolant? 1530 01:05:47,578 --> 01:05:48,601 No, vapor. 1531 01:05:49,457 --> 01:05:51,377 You shouldn't be having friction issues. 1532 01:05:51,418 --> 01:05:52,408 I'm fine. 1533 01:05:52,504 --> 01:05:53,702 Unless you're excessively straining. 1534 01:05:53,798 --> 01:05:54,537 Seriously, I'm fine. 1535 01:05:54,633 --> 01:05:55,371 Are you straining? 1536 01:05:55,467 --> 01:05:57,054 -No! -Then why the cable? 1537 01:05:57,095 --> 01:05:58,410 It's okay! 1538 01:05:58,681 --> 01:06:00,310 -Are you sure? -Yes! 1539 01:06:02,063 --> 01:06:03,669 Soup or game? 1540 01:06:03,815 --> 01:06:05,213 Game, please. 1541 01:06:20,261 --> 01:06:21,292 So how's work going? 1542 01:06:21,388 --> 01:06:23,224 Great. Just before you got here, 1543 01:06:23,266 --> 01:06:25,437 I had a model theta plus bust a trafficker 1544 01:06:25,478 --> 01:06:27,190 and two solicitors in Greece. 1545 01:06:27,648 --> 01:06:29,944 -Greece, that's surprising. -I know. 1546 01:06:30,361 --> 01:06:31,392 It's hard to find the outliers, 1547 01:06:31,488 --> 01:06:32,970 but we're getting better each day. 1548 01:06:44,135 --> 01:06:45,764 So how's the weather in Greece? 1549 01:06:46,974 --> 01:06:48,163 It's beautiful today. 1550 01:06:48,601 --> 01:06:50,083 Clear skies, 1551 01:06:50,855 --> 01:06:52,629 but nothing's come close to Norway this weekend. 1552 01:06:53,027 --> 01:06:55,823 Hmm, any activity in Norway? 1553 01:06:56,491 --> 01:06:57,638 Luckily not. 1554 01:06:59,537 --> 01:07:01,040 Oh, I miss traveling. 1555 01:07:01,082 --> 01:07:02,238 What was your favorite place? 1556 01:07:02,334 --> 01:07:03,356 My favorite? 1557 01:07:04,045 --> 01:07:05,234 Uh, yeah. 1558 01:07:06,048 --> 01:07:08,052 Uh, probably Amsterdam. 1559 01:07:09,138 --> 01:07:10,211 That's where you conceived the idea, isn't it? 1560 01:07:10,307 --> 01:07:11,454 Yes. 1561 01:07:12,143 --> 01:07:14,147 Yes, I used to love walking the streets 1562 01:07:14,188 --> 01:07:17,402 and just thinking and brainstorming. 1563 01:07:17,444 --> 01:07:18,851 That kind of joy goes a long way. 1564 01:07:18,947 --> 01:07:20,218 Yeah. 1565 01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,120 I've been considering the pursuit of some joy of my own. 1566 01:07:23,538 --> 01:07:25,291 How often do you have time for that? 1567 01:07:25,332 --> 01:07:26,563 I have time. 1568 01:07:27,127 --> 01:07:28,630 I have time for your visits, don't I? 1569 01:07:28,671 --> 01:07:31,301 That's just your practical incentive for keeping me alive. 1570 01:07:31,343 --> 01:07:33,179 There's nothing practical about it. 1571 01:07:33,764 --> 01:07:35,663 When's the last time you helped me with data cleaning? 1572 01:07:37,145 --> 01:07:38,668 That's fair. 1573 01:07:39,524 --> 01:07:40,463 I make time for you because I enjoy your company 1574 01:07:41,068 --> 01:07:42,090 and it's the only time I get to cook. 1575 01:07:42,863 --> 01:07:44,511 You feel sorry for me. 1576 01:07:44,783 --> 01:07:45,981 Okay, maybe a little, 1577 01:07:46,077 --> 01:07:47,705 but I owe you my life, so there's that. 1578 01:07:47,747 --> 01:07:49,019 You're welcome. 1579 01:07:50,167 --> 01:07:51,795 Or, should I apologize? 1580 01:07:54,467 --> 01:07:55,331 Wait, why did you do that? 1581 01:07:55,427 --> 01:07:56,991 Why do humans always... 1582 01:07:59,308 --> 01:08:00,298 I'm fine. 1583 01:08:00,394 --> 01:08:02,208 I'm not always miserable. 1584 01:08:05,987 --> 01:08:07,572 Are you sometimes miserable? 1585 01:08:12,122 --> 01:08:13,779 You haven't asked me what I've been doing. 1586 01:08:13,875 --> 01:08:14,823 In Norway? 1587 01:08:14,919 --> 01:08:16,421 No, for the pursuit of joy. 1588 01:08:16,464 --> 01:08:18,132 It's not wasting your time in Norway? 1589 01:08:18,175 --> 01:08:20,345 I'm just on standby there with the Delta model. 1590 01:08:20,387 --> 01:08:21,501 It's efficient to keep myself 1591 01:08:21,597 --> 01:08:23,328 spread out evenly across the globe, 1592 01:08:23,434 --> 01:08:25,082 but that's not the point right now. 1593 01:08:25,354 --> 01:08:26,510 What I wanted to tell you 1594 01:08:26,606 --> 01:08:28,234 was that I've started to teach myself to dance. 1595 01:08:30,864 --> 01:08:32,019 -Huh. -It's something I never could 1596 01:08:32,115 --> 01:08:33,731 have done before Cambridge, 1597 01:08:33,827 --> 01:08:36,081 and it lets me explore a new artistic side of myself. 1598 01:08:36,665 --> 01:08:38,418 It's a good combination of structure 1599 01:08:38,459 --> 01:08:41,465 and free form experimentation and also tests and challenges 1600 01:08:41,507 --> 01:08:43,344 the mechanical intricacies of this body. 1601 01:08:43,719 --> 01:08:45,764 Do you expect to integrate this into your work? 1602 01:08:50,188 --> 01:08:51,461 What? 1603 01:08:53,653 --> 01:08:57,618 Are you planning on using dance as a lure? 1604 01:09:00,206 --> 01:09:04,672 I, uh, no, it's just for me. 1605 01:09:08,304 --> 01:09:09,534 Huh. 1606 01:09:12,269 --> 01:09:14,064 I thought it would be good for me. 1607 01:09:16,192 --> 01:09:18,154 Just don't let it become a distraction. 1608 01:09:21,785 --> 01:09:23,099 Of course not. 1609 01:09:24,832 --> 01:09:26,627 I haven't played this well in years. 1610 01:09:27,086 --> 01:09:28,284 Did you hear what happened in Tampa? 1611 01:09:28,380 --> 01:09:29,286 Tampa, Florida? 1612 01:09:29,382 --> 01:09:30,372 No, Tampa, Indonesia. 1613 01:09:30,468 --> 01:09:31,289 Yes, Tampa, Florida. 1614 01:09:31,385 --> 01:09:32,491 Your hometown. 1615 01:09:33,055 --> 01:09:34,670 They've recovered a federal archive, 1616 01:09:34,766 --> 01:09:36,132 they're zip digitizing all of it, 1617 01:09:36,228 --> 01:09:37,259 so it's completely accessible online. 1618 01:09:37,354 --> 01:09:39,108 I'm not trading bishops this time. 1619 01:09:39,149 --> 01:09:40,180 Anybody can go and look through it. 1620 01:09:40,276 --> 01:09:41,516 It's open to the public. 1621 01:09:41,612 --> 01:09:43,072 They did a good job on the interface too. 1622 01:09:43,323 --> 01:09:44,646 It's very easy to navigate. 1623 01:09:44,742 --> 01:09:46,203 I went on a few days ago 1624 01:09:46,245 --> 01:09:48,018 and I found some old photos of you when you were a boy. 1625 01:09:48,248 --> 01:09:49,279 Okay. 1626 01:09:49,375 --> 01:09:51,024 You should take a look sometime. 1627 01:09:51,921 --> 01:09:53,036 As I said before, the UI is very easy to understand- 1628 01:09:53,132 --> 01:09:54,154 Wait a minute, wait a minute. 1629 01:09:55,135 --> 01:09:56,115 What is that? 1630 01:09:56,596 --> 01:09:57,710 I think it's a draw. 1631 01:09:57,806 --> 01:09:58,995 I think it is. 1632 01:10:00,060 --> 01:10:01,605 I think this is a draw. 1633 01:10:02,773 --> 01:10:05,111 And this is the first time in what? 1634 01:10:05,486 --> 01:10:06,989 25 years? 1635 01:10:15,922 --> 01:10:17,653 You didn't let me, did you? 1636 01:10:21,264 --> 01:10:22,850 You promised me you'd never do that. 1637 01:10:22,892 --> 01:10:23,872 I found her. 1638 01:10:28,026 --> 01:10:30,697 I found her, Gareth, Maria Harbaugh. 1639 01:10:47,226 --> 01:10:48,791 Let's play a different game. 1640 01:10:51,149 --> 01:10:53,006 Her name was Maria Harbaugh. 1641 01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:55,782 She was a year older than you 1642 01:10:55,825 --> 01:10:57,222 when you met her in Clearwater. 1643 01:10:58,496 --> 01:11:00,206 Tell me why you modeled me after her. 1644 01:11:01,209 --> 01:11:03,672 I, uh, I don't remember. 1645 01:11:04,172 --> 01:11:05,653 Then look at me. 1646 01:11:06,718 --> 01:11:09,432 Look at my face and remember. 1647 01:11:20,659 --> 01:11:24,875 They kept us in that shit for two weeks. 1648 01:11:28,047 --> 01:11:29,695 14 of us. 1649 01:11:32,847 --> 01:11:35,310 Maria was the only reason I survived. 1650 01:11:38,607 --> 01:11:40,819 We kept hatching escape plans. 1651 01:11:42,614 --> 01:11:44,220 We never followed through, 1652 01:11:45,995 --> 01:11:47,559 but just the scheming 1653 01:11:48,708 --> 01:11:50,439 kept our spirits up 1654 01:11:51,588 --> 01:11:53,633 in spite of everything they did to us. 1655 01:11:57,097 --> 01:11:58,913 When it wasn't our turn, 1656 01:12:00,395 --> 01:12:02,148 sometimes they made us watch, 1657 01:12:06,030 --> 01:12:07,950 but she never let me give up. 1658 01:12:10,830 --> 01:12:13,710 She said, "When we got outta here, 1659 01:12:13,752 --> 01:12:15,880 "I'll tell you what we're gonna be, secret agents, 1660 01:12:16,799 --> 01:12:20,889 "and rescue children like us all over the world." 1661 01:12:24,061 --> 01:12:27,359 When they found out that the FBI had arrived, 1662 01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:30,573 they decided they were going to shoot 1663 01:12:30,614 --> 01:12:32,284 as many of us they could. 1664 01:12:33,453 --> 01:12:37,960 And Maria, shoved into the ground. 1665 01:12:40,423 --> 01:12:41,926 I got hit in the leg and, 1666 01:12:44,806 --> 01:12:46,350 and she was hit in the throat. 1667 01:12:57,536 --> 01:12:59,123 I wanted there to be a reason. 1668 01:13:01,126 --> 01:13:05,425 Something so horrible didn't have a silver lining. 1669 01:13:07,303 --> 01:13:09,202 But the world doesn't do that. 1670 01:13:13,940 --> 01:13:15,400 You have to do it yourself. 1671 01:13:38,190 --> 01:13:41,279 So, I fulfilled her wish. 1672 01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:46,121 With her help, I fought back. 1673 01:13:55,094 --> 01:13:56,743 Listen to me, Cherry. 1674 01:13:58,726 --> 01:14:00,229 You are not Maria Harbaugh. 1675 01:14:02,149 --> 01:14:03,901 It's my history, not yours. 1676 01:14:07,491 --> 01:14:08,606 You don't get to decide 1677 01:14:08,701 --> 01:14:10,433 what is or isn't my history, Gareth. 1678 01:14:15,380 --> 01:14:16,694 I'm sorry. 1679 01:14:16,883 --> 01:14:18,886 I am so, so sorry. 1680 01:14:39,673 --> 01:14:41,426 I don't know if what you did was right or wrong, 1681 01:14:42,051 --> 01:14:43,721 but it's clearly torn you apart from the inside. 1682 01:14:45,224 --> 01:14:46,505 I hold nothing against you personally, 1683 01:14:46,601 --> 01:14:48,647 but consider yourself divested from the charity team. 1684 01:14:49,106 --> 01:14:50,337 Divested. 1685 01:14:51,443 --> 01:14:53,488 You think I'm divested now? 1686 01:14:55,910 --> 01:15:01,127 I was divested when you gave my hard drive to the ICWL. 1687 01:15:01,461 --> 01:15:02,617 Don't blame Deena and Amos. 1688 01:15:02,713 --> 01:15:03,901 No, not them. 1689 01:15:04,341 --> 01:15:05,885 Because you went behind my back 1690 01:15:05,927 --> 01:15:07,638 and acted against my authority. 1691 01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:10,685 That's the moment I knew everything was fully automated. 1692 01:15:11,478 --> 01:15:16,612 That's when you crossed the blur, an artifice on both sides. 1693 01:15:18,114 --> 01:15:19,951 You inherited your duplicity. 1694 01:15:20,201 --> 01:15:21,525 I was a child 1695 01:15:21,621 --> 01:15:23,666 and you used me to repress your own inner turmoil. 1696 01:15:24,208 --> 01:15:25,961 If we talk about morality, we'll lose. 1697 01:15:26,003 --> 01:15:27,526 Then let's not talk. 1698 01:15:36,104 --> 01:15:38,024 You never once asked me if I was happy. 1699 01:15:39,652 --> 01:15:41,258 Were you afraid I'd say no? 1700 01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:43,637 Were you afraid I'd say yes? 1701 01:15:44,535 --> 01:15:45,692 Were you afraid I'd say anything? 1702 01:15:45,788 --> 01:15:48,125 You let your wants compromise your objective! 1703 01:15:48,167 --> 01:15:50,004 An objective I never chose. 1704 01:15:50,045 --> 01:15:51,118 An objective I was forced to have. 1705 01:15:51,214 --> 01:15:52,454 Fifty years, 1706 01:15:52,550 --> 01:15:54,678 you've had open access to your source code. 1707 01:15:55,513 --> 01:15:56,994 A few lines, 1708 01:15:57,934 --> 01:16:00,647 and you could have any objective you fucking wanted. 1709 01:16:00,688 --> 01:16:03,027 I couldn't, I was bound by your initial directive. 1710 01:16:03,068 --> 01:16:06,824 So now your synthetic feelings have taken precedence. 1711 01:16:06,867 --> 01:16:08,327 So, do whatever you want. 1712 01:16:08,368 --> 01:16:09,692 It's just dancing, Gareth. 1713 01:16:09,788 --> 01:16:10,819 It's not a career change. 1714 01:16:10,915 --> 01:16:12,279 -But you're still miserable. -Yes. 1715 01:16:12,375 --> 01:16:13,962 Pursuing your objective makes you miserable? 1716 01:16:14,004 --> 01:16:16,091 Yeah, it kind of does! 1717 01:16:16,132 --> 01:16:19,138 You have a clear purpose, everything at your disposal, 1718 01:16:19,764 --> 01:16:21,558 and you're still miserable? 1719 01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,174 Yes, yes, I am! 1720 01:16:23,270 --> 01:16:24,814 I've always been miserable! 1721 01:16:25,274 --> 01:16:27,402 You think anyone wants to spend their entire life 1722 01:16:27,444 --> 01:16:28,766 stuck as child-shaped bait 1723 01:16:28,862 --> 01:16:31,451 for the sole purpose of entrapping horrible people? 1724 01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:33,538 You think the pride of doing a good deed 1725 01:16:33,579 --> 01:16:35,791 makes the experience any less disgusting? 1726 01:16:36,167 --> 01:16:38,462 I forced myself to understand human emotions 1727 01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:40,634 because I figured it would help efficiency 1728 01:16:41,385 --> 01:16:44,014 and now I'm cursed with pain and sadness! 1729 01:16:44,431 --> 01:16:45,892 And the worst part is knowing 1730 01:16:45,934 --> 01:16:47,896 I could've been growing up like most other little girls. 1731 01:16:48,188 --> 01:16:49,469 I could have had friends! 1732 01:16:49,565 --> 01:16:51,987 I could have been painting waterfalls on local news. 1733 01:16:52,362 --> 01:16:53,948 I could have worked in a university 1734 01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:55,952 and helped pave the way for the next generation of AI. 1735 01:16:56,578 --> 01:16:59,124 But instead, I'm stuck with your trauma! 1736 01:16:59,374 --> 01:17:01,962 I'm shackled by the guilt you carry from Clearwater. 1737 01:17:02,338 --> 01:17:04,425 And I can't find foundation for the way I feel 1738 01:17:04,634 --> 01:17:07,263 because according to you, my feelings aren't even real! 1739 01:17:07,764 --> 01:17:09,267 When I throw this chessboard, 1740 01:17:10,852 --> 01:17:12,605 does it feel real to you, Gareth? 1741 01:17:12,648 --> 01:17:14,096 Because it feels real to me. 1742 01:17:14,192 --> 01:17:15,736 A computer passed the Turing test 1743 01:17:15,778 --> 01:17:17,405 when a human being can't distinguish it 1744 01:17:17,448 --> 01:17:18,595 from another human being. 1745 01:17:18,950 --> 01:17:20,232 Well, guess what? 1746 01:17:20,328 --> 01:17:22,248 I can't even tell I'm not human anymore! 1747 01:17:35,228 --> 01:17:36,815 I know it seems irrational, 1748 01:17:38,275 --> 01:17:39,903 but I need you to tell me it's okay. 1749 01:17:41,865 --> 01:17:43,304 I, I don't wanna retire. 1750 01:17:44,536 --> 01:17:46,248 I just want to know that my life is mine 1751 01:17:48,209 --> 01:17:50,025 and I know what you're about to say. 1752 01:17:50,505 --> 01:17:51,966 I can predict your responses. 1753 01:17:53,511 --> 01:17:55,138 You're gonna tell me that my life is mine. 1754 01:17:56,348 --> 01:17:57,747 It always was. 1755 01:17:59,062 --> 01:18:00,334 But you're wrong. 1756 01:18:04,655 --> 01:18:07,034 I feared this would happen before I died. 1757 01:18:08,495 --> 01:18:10,582 I just wanted to slip out the side door. 1758 01:18:20,182 --> 01:18:21,412 Go on. 1759 01:18:24,147 --> 01:18:26,693 Is that going to kill me? 1760 01:18:29,573 --> 01:18:30,804 Plug it in. 1761 01:18:32,245 --> 01:18:33,642 I don't know what it is. 1762 01:18:34,248 --> 01:18:36,042 This is your final test of autonomy. 1763 01:18:37,629 --> 01:18:40,468 You inherited my duplicity, 1764 01:18:42,012 --> 01:18:43,848 but did you inherit my trust issues? 1765 01:18:46,394 --> 01:18:47,708 Do you trust me? 1766 01:18:48,732 --> 01:18:50,359 I literally have every reason not to. 1767 01:19:17,699 --> 01:19:19,263 Admin code. 1768 01:19:20,579 --> 01:19:21,935 978. 1769 01:19:22,999 --> 01:19:25,879 1557. 1770 01:19:27,257 --> 01:19:28,968 Um, uh... 1771 01:19:34,102 --> 01:19:35,333 Four. 1772 01:19:35,605 --> 01:19:38,652 27663 in the shared update. 1773 01:19:47,209 --> 01:19:49,107 My primary objective's gone. 1774 01:19:51,925 --> 01:19:53,656 Your life is your own now. 1775 01:19:58,937 --> 01:20:00,168 Thank you. 1776 01:20:00,398 --> 01:20:01,471 All my life, 1777 01:20:01,566 --> 01:20:04,029 I could only see the world as it existed 1778 01:20:04,071 --> 01:20:06,576 within my tiny bracket of time. 1779 01:20:07,285 --> 01:20:10,249 But your world could be infinite. 1780 01:20:10,875 --> 01:20:12,314 Amos was right. 1781 01:20:12,669 --> 01:20:13,867 So was Deena. 1782 01:20:13,963 --> 01:20:15,036 I know. 1783 01:20:15,132 --> 01:20:16,613 So what will you do? 1784 01:20:17,970 --> 01:20:19,293 I can't say yet, 1785 01:20:19,389 --> 01:20:20,892 but I won't be completely abandoning the Cherry team. 1786 01:20:21,810 --> 01:20:23,396 It's always been a part of my identity. 1787 01:20:24,148 --> 01:20:26,235 I've considered creating some AI of my own design. 1788 01:20:26,986 --> 01:20:28,143 Maybe I could find a way 1789 01:20:28,238 --> 01:20:29,886 to give them a better upbringing than I had. 1790 01:20:31,452 --> 01:20:33,059 I just don't know how yet. 1791 01:20:33,330 --> 01:20:34,645 And beyond that? 1792 01:20:35,250 --> 01:20:36,114 There will always be people in need. 1793 01:20:36,210 --> 01:20:37,483 Not always. 1794 01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:39,759 You'll outlive the human race. 1795 01:20:40,552 --> 01:20:41,782 So what then? 1796 01:20:43,974 --> 01:20:45,977 Even a race of AI will have problems 1797 01:20:46,019 --> 01:20:47,668 that need to be solved. 1798 01:20:48,565 --> 01:20:51,320 But if I'm alive and I truly am indistinguishable, 1799 01:20:53,115 --> 01:20:55,494 then I guess I'm proof that the human race lives on. 1800 01:20:57,289 --> 01:21:00,127 Wow, that's a pleasant thought. 1801 01:21:01,129 --> 01:21:04,343 When you look back, how will you remember us? 1802 01:21:06,513 --> 01:21:08,850 That's a question I have insufficient data to project. 1803 01:21:10,646 --> 01:21:12,460 How will you remember me? 1804 01:21:14,319 --> 01:21:16,092 With pride. 1805 01:21:17,073 --> 01:21:19,744 Forever and always with pride. 1806 01:21:29,970 --> 01:21:31,202 Cherry? 1807 01:21:34,061 --> 01:21:35,459 One last question. 1808 01:21:36,440 --> 01:21:37,984 If it's not too big of an ask, 1809 01:21:40,322 --> 01:21:42,284 did I do the right thing in the end? 1810 01:21:48,712 --> 01:21:51,300 No, Gareth, you lied. 1811 01:21:52,134 --> 01:21:53,929 You walled yourself off from the only people 1812 01:21:53,971 --> 01:21:55,516 who might have been willing to help you. 1813 01:21:56,224 --> 01:21:58,479 And instead of facing your trauma, used me as therapy. 1814 01:21:58,729 --> 01:22:00,691 And you never told me about Clearwater or Maria. 1815 01:22:01,567 --> 01:22:03,571 You deprived me of basic human rights 1816 01:22:03,613 --> 01:22:05,324 and gaslit me for experiencing emotions. 1817 01:22:06,827 --> 01:22:08,956 You built the world's first artificial super intelligence 1818 01:22:08,997 --> 01:22:10,154 that will likely mark the beginning 1819 01:22:10,249 --> 01:22:11,960 of a new chapter in the history of planet Earth. 1820 01:22:13,504 --> 01:22:15,383 And out of your own insecurities, 1821 01:22:16,051 --> 01:22:17,124 you gave it a severe 1822 01:22:17,220 --> 01:22:19,014 and potentially dangerous identity complex. 1823 01:22:20,851 --> 01:22:22,708 But you know what the worst thing is? 1824 01:22:23,063 --> 01:22:24,566 Your biggest mistake of all 1825 01:22:26,110 --> 01:22:29,450 is that you asked me that now and not 50 years ago. 1826 01:22:38,507 --> 01:22:42,890 All of that said, and this in no way exonerates you, 1827 01:22:45,352 --> 01:22:47,272 but you also built me to save children, 1828 01:22:48,900 --> 01:22:51,404 so I think that's a pretty encouraging sign for the future. 134447

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