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I did a documentary today
with this guy, Louis Theroux.
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Um, that took a majority of the day.
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I don't know who he is, but apparently,
he's a respected documentarian.
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Do you guys know who this is?
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Louis Theroux.
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Oh shit.
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Is he gonna do a hit piece on me?
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I don't know what Louis's move is,
but everyone's telling me
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he goes out of his way
to try to fuck people.
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So, I didn't really know that.
I think I handled it well so far.
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"Louis Theroux is gonna be
a full-on hit piece."
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Probably, mate.
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"Myron, you know this Brit cuck
is going to make a hit piece?"
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"He's so woke,
his wife makes him pee sitting down."
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He's like…
"What do you think Sneako's message is?"
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Do I sound like that?
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A little bit.
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A man who's not dangerous
will never be seen as successful.
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You can't be a little bitch.
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Men against women.
It's attack on masculinity.
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If your bitch is going to a club
when you said no…
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-I agree.
-…destroy her fucking life.
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A few years ago,
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I noticed that parts
of the Internet were being taken over…
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Yo, a lot of you need to wake up! Wake up!
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…by a collection of male influencers.
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We're like the last stand
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against this fucking bullshit
that's going on.
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They claimed to be giving young men
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the cheat codes to win at life.
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I made ÂŁ6,000
before I got out of bed this morning.
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They had millions of followers.
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-Top G.
-Fuck the women!
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-What?
-All gays should die!
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-Fuck gays!
-What have I done?
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They boasted about having access
at the highest levels of power.
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Donald Trump is the future
of the Western world.
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And he's a good friend of mine.
I'm gonna help him.
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I became curious why some of them held
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such extreme beliefs.
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There is a war on men being strong.
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And whether they really were
what they seemed.
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I've now personally fucked 2,000 women,
which is quite an accomplishment.
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They were deeply mistrustful
of mainstream media,
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but after months of effort,
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I'd managed to find a way inside
the new world of men
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who were redefining
what it means to be a man.
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-Hey, we're looking for Harrison.
-He's through here.
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-Can we come in?
-Uh, one second. One second.
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Early 2025…
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-Here he is.
-Hello, hello.
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…after protracted negotiations,
I'd arranged two days of filming
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with an influencer
named Harrison Sullivan.
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-Permission to come aboard?
-You've got some big cameras.
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Of course we do. We're the real deal.
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We're not YouTubers.
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-How are you doing?
-Okay. Okay, then.
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-I like your setup.
-Professional videographer.
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-Are we content sharing? Filming.
-We are. We are, indeed.
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-We have cameras.
-Are you live?
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-No.
-No.
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-Are we all right to go in?
-100%, man.
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-Should we go in? Yeah.
-100%.
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So, this is my dishwasher over here.
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-My cleaner.
-I'm not the dishwasher.
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-Say hello. This is going on Netflix.
-Nice to meet you.
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-Louis. What's your name?
-Kacey.
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-I think I've seen you on the socials.
-Have you?
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Yeah, there was a clip you put up.
Do you do TikTok? What's your platform?
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Yeah, a little bit.
It's kacey._may on TikTok.
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-Yeah, I like that.
-Who else have we got?
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I'm… I'm known as The Naarn Slayer.
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And the reason I'm here
is 'cause Harrison chose me.
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-I was a fan, and I got flown out here.
-Are you part of the team?
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-I'm part of the team.
-What do you do?
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I also won the Range Rover giveaway
that Harrison did on YouTube.
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-Who else have we got?
-I've got close protection.
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Who's that?
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Oh!
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Okay.
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What the fuck are you doing
with your life?
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I'm waking up, my two-grand-a-night villa,
out in Ibiza,
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living the fucking life.
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Harrison streams
under the name HSTikkyTokky.
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Right, where's the muff at?
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Just 23, he's famous
for his offensive content…
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My name's Dora.
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Dora, Dora. Okay.
Okay. My name's "Sung-min."
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…and for showing off his riches
and physical prowess online.
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Lambo, B! Come on!
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Encouraging his fans to reject the system,
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which he calls the matrix, and follow him.
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Police in Surrey have launched an appeal
to find Harrison Sullivan,
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also known as HSTikkyTokky.
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The 23-year-old is…
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Since fleeing a car crash,
he'd been on the run,
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but remained massively popular
with his millions of followers,
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posting a constant stream of content,
much of it featuring female influencers.
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What is your favorite thing about me?
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Your money.
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Oh my God. Wow.
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Most people would know you
as a content creator.
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What would you say is the message?
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I… I coach boys how to be fucking boys,
how to make money, be outside the system,
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how to not have a boss
telling you what to do.
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I teach guys to be proper guys,
not these little soy boys,
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little gimps that walk around
in the modern day.
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Would you see me that way?
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Um…
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I'm not sure. I'd have to see how…
what your skills are.
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Did you look at my arms?
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Well, I just sort of
checked your… your… your stature out.
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-Did you?
-Yeah, yeah.
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-Go on.
-The stature's not saying too much.
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-Do you wanna get to the gym?
-Yeah, let's go. Definitely.
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All right, boys, so we're in the gym,
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filming a, uh, gym workout.
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Let's go.
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Now, this is a sick gym.
Training outside, it's, like… it's nice.
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Very nice. I like to start…
I normally train earlier in the day.
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I like to start my day working out,
doing hard things.
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-Who are you talking to?
-What? Do I not talk to them?
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-Not really.
-Talk to you?
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We're not on social media now.
This is a real documentary.
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This is TV.
This is the, uh, level up from that.
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Sorry. I forgot, mate.
I'm used to my mere social media life.
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-We just pretend those aren't there.
-Fair enough.
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So, I'm used to training
first thing in the morning.
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-Every day?
-Every day.
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Do you do a leg day?
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Yeah. Can you tell?
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Yeah. Silly question, that. Innit, mate?
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Calves need a little work.
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They do. They do.
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HS's content
on TikTok and Instagram is a gateway
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to a second level of social media,
his Telegram group,
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where he has
over half a million followers.
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Listen, if you wanna see
the behind the scenes,
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the shit I cannot put on YouTube
'cause it's too loose,
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get inside my Telegram.
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Here, there are links
to the accounts of X-rated performers
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on the subscription-based platform
OnlyFans.
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As well as content of scantily clad women,
there are also appeals to sign up to apps
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that offer financial services,
where you can follow HS's trading tips.
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I've just got in the apartment.
ÂŁ10,000 in an hour and a half.
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What more do you need to see, you idiots?
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He regularly posts videos to his Telegram
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about his supposed financial success
and the way to achieve it.
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In both cases,
HS takes a cut of the income.
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Don't hesitate. Don't wait. You can
be making hundreds of pounds today,
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or you can still be doing
the same bullshit that you do.
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Send a message now. Let's go.
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I'm not gonna stop at small scale.
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By the time I'm, you know, your age,
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I'd like to have a hundreds of millions
valuated company, you know?
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Maybe even in the billions.
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Do you manage OnlyFans girls?
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I don't personally manage them,
but I bought an agency that does.
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Do I agree with it? No.
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Would I profit off it? Yeah.
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I'm a businessman, man.
I'm not doing it for fucking fun.
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Not what my daughter
will be involved with.
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-I'd disown my daughter. Like, then…
-Would you?
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-To say the least.
-If she done something like that?
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-That's easy to say.
-It disgusts me.
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-Same way if my son come out gay.
-What, seriously?
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Being gay nowadays
is considered quite normal.
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-Not my son.
-Why?
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Just not my son, innit?
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To say, like, you'd disown him,
that's a big statement.
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Did your values come
from your mum, mainly?
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No, my mum's very… My mum's different.
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My mum would be disappointed
that I said that.
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-Really?
-Yeah. She hates racism.
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She hates, like, homophobia.
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-Sexism?
-Sexism? She hates sexism.
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She hates all that shit.
So if I was like, uh…
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Like, the women cleaning and that.
I wouldn't say that around my mum.
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-Really?
-I'd get a slap.
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-Go in the garden? Show you?
-Sure. Why not?
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It's a nice, nice base.
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How did you come up?
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So, I was at university.
I was with my friend Ed.
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We were just trying to make content
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and trying to think of a way
how we could make money.
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I went from zero
to making about ÂŁ1,000 a day overnight.
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-On what?
-Fitness plans, fitness programs.
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Made ÂŁ1,000 a day.
Within two weeks, I was like,
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"Right, I'm gonna go to Marbella
and try and stream and become big."
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ÂŁ1,000 to ÂŁ3,000 a day,
and then it just went up.
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-That's what it was.
-You were a salesman at that point?
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I've always been a salesman.
I'm a salesman now.
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Sales is the most important skill
you can have.
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You're never gonna be ultra-successful
if you can't sell.
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But there was a time
when you were putting out
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cheeky content that was going viral.
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-How does that fit into the picture?
-That's content.
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We live in an attention economy.
So that gets attention.
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And with the attention,
I can get more fame, monetize.
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-And monetize the fame.
-Yes, exactly.
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Does the term "matrix" mean anything
to you?
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The system, higher powers,
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the colluding powers
at the top of the world
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that want to keep everyone down,
broke, keep the slave mindset going.
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-That's what that means to me.
-Is that real?
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'Course it's real. 'Course it's real.
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The people at the top of the world,
why would they want people below them
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to make a load of money
and not serve them?
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It doesn't make sense.
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It was the next day,
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and a clip that someone
on HS's team had posted
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of me filming him had gone viral.
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"Netflix, coming soon.
Very interesting discussions with Louis."
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"Will be interested to see
how he tries to rip me,
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considering the numbers and evidence shown
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to support my business
and network are monumental."
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The comments were mainly scathing,
about him and his financial products.
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I hoped they wouldn't worry HS too much.
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-All right?
-How are you doing?
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-Hello.
-Hi, Sam. Hi, Harrison. How are you doing?
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-How are you?
-No need to get up. Thank you.
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Hi.
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Another shot.
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That was outside.
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-How are you doing?
-Pretty good.
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I went to bed late 'cause I was out
getting content last night.
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Got a video of me getting sucked off
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in the toilet of a club here
if you wanna see that.
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-No, you didn't.
-Bet you'd like to see that.
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Did he?
233
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-This happened?
-Last night, today, 1:20.
234
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What's the location?
235
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-The toilet.
-Up the strip.
236
00:12:03,723 --> 00:12:07,059
-Did she know she was being filmed?
-Of course she did, yeah.
237
00:12:07,143 --> 00:12:09,228
-And she didn't mind?
-Didn't mind.
238
00:12:09,311 --> 00:12:11,313
What's that all about?
239
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Clout.
240
00:12:13,190 --> 00:12:16,068
Why does that help her
to be seen to be giving you a blowjob?
241
00:12:16,152 --> 00:12:18,112
I don't know why it may help her.
242
00:12:18,195 --> 00:12:20,823
You know, you'd have to ask her.
243
00:12:20,906 --> 00:12:22,533
We're on the 'gram now.
244
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There I am,
announcing a Netflix documentary.
245
00:12:25,327 --> 00:12:27,121
Yeah. I saw it. It's gone up 300K views.
246
00:12:27,204 --> 00:12:31,000
The comment was along the lines of,
"Documentary following me around."
247
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"They might be trying to rip me.
We'll see."
248
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"Interested to see how it turns out."
249
00:12:35,087 --> 00:12:37,465
Yeah, I'm actually…
I'm very interested to see.
250
00:12:38,466 --> 00:12:40,092
-Mm.
-Me too.
251
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Very.
252
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Yeah.
253
00:12:45,347 --> 00:12:47,308
Are you all right?
You got funny energy today.
254
00:12:47,391 --> 00:12:48,726
-So do you.
-Do I?
255
00:12:54,690 --> 00:12:56,901
The plan for the day was to join HS
256
00:12:56,984 --> 00:13:00,529
as he did live streams around Marbella
and maybe see a yacht party.
257
00:13:00,613 --> 00:13:02,323
-All right?
-Nice to meet you.
258
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First, we connected
with his friend, Ed Matthews,
259
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who'd just flown in from London.
260
00:13:06,660 --> 00:13:08,204
-Hello.
-What's happening, brother?
261
00:13:08,287 --> 00:13:10,122
-How long you been here?
-Just got here.
262
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-Fucking hell. Be careful.
-Good to see you. The boys are back.
263
00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,794
Be careful of this fella, mate.
264
00:13:14,877 --> 00:13:16,712
He looks nice.
He looks like he's a friend.
265
00:13:16,796 --> 00:13:19,799
-He's trying to turn the tables now.
-The evil smile.
266
00:13:19,882 --> 00:13:21,967
-"The evil…"?
-"The evil," that's a bit strong.
267
00:13:22,051 --> 00:13:24,720
-That is very, very strong, mate.
-The evil smile, mate.
268
00:13:24,804 --> 00:13:28,057
All right, boys,
we're gonna test out the punch machine.
269
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Show you how it's done, mate.
270
00:13:33,270 --> 00:13:36,565
Ed came up making videos
for TikTok and YouTube
271
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as a kind of Robin to HS's Batman.
272
00:13:39,610 --> 00:13:42,154
All right. We're about to drop some game
on the beach.
273
00:13:42,238 --> 00:13:44,323
-These two with their boyfriends.
-All right.
274
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Get it on film.
They're with their boyfriends.
275
00:13:46,951 --> 00:13:49,370
We're actually finding
the most tartiest outfits.
276
00:13:49,453 --> 00:13:50,788
I think you're competing, darling.
277
00:13:50,871 --> 00:13:56,293
His content combined fitness,
online flirting, and conspiracy theories.
278
00:13:56,377 --> 00:13:58,045
Aliens definitely helped build
the pyramids
279
00:13:58,128 --> 00:14:00,381
by the way they're aligned
with the stars, yeah?
280
00:14:00,464 --> 00:14:03,259
They might come for me
if I start talking about this shit.
281
00:14:03,342 --> 00:14:06,178
We're two minutes away from his house.
We're gonna sting him right now.
282
00:14:06,262 --> 00:14:09,890
Recently, he'd been livestreaming
doing so-called "predator stings."
283
00:14:09,974 --> 00:14:11,600
We've got the fuck-off microphone.
284
00:14:11,684 --> 00:14:13,644
So, if he ain't answering
'cause he's scared,
285
00:14:13,727 --> 00:14:17,106
I'll shout down his fucking door!
286
00:14:17,189 --> 00:14:19,233
There's no escaping Ed Matty, bruv.
287
00:14:19,316 --> 00:14:21,610
He would confront and humiliate people
288
00:14:21,694 --> 00:14:23,279
he accused of being predators.
289
00:14:23,362 --> 00:14:26,907
Who's the next predator? I can't lie.
This one's gonna be madder than that one.
290
00:14:27,575 --> 00:14:31,620
In several recent encounters,
Ed forced them to eat pet food.
291
00:14:31,704 --> 00:14:33,539
Go on. Get that down you, mate.
292
00:14:34,039 --> 00:14:35,457
Good fucking boy.
293
00:14:35,541 --> 00:14:37,585
And how does the humiliation help?
294
00:14:38,586 --> 00:14:41,422
Just… because this will…
this will last forever.
295
00:14:41,505 --> 00:14:42,673
And they'll always…
296
00:14:42,756 --> 00:14:44,884
So this is worse than going to jail,
I reckon.
297
00:14:44,967 --> 00:14:46,552
Is that a paedo?
298
00:14:46,635 --> 00:14:48,095
Did you hear that? "Is that a paedo?"
299
00:14:48,178 --> 00:14:50,723
No. This is Louis Theroux, mate.
Not a paedo.
300
00:14:50,806 --> 00:14:53,267
Thank you. Appreciate that.
301
00:14:53,350 --> 00:14:55,394
Just so they know
you're not getting stung right now.
302
00:14:58,606 --> 00:15:01,775
By now, HS was keeping himself scarce,
303
00:15:01,859 --> 00:15:04,194
possibly troubled
by the comments that had come in,
304
00:15:04,278 --> 00:15:06,739
saying he'd be exposed in my documentary.
305
00:15:06,822 --> 00:15:09,533
You all right, girls? Having a good night?
306
00:15:09,617 --> 00:15:12,077
The plan for a yacht party
had gone out the window,
307
00:15:12,161 --> 00:15:13,746
so instead, we joined Ed
308
00:15:13,829 --> 00:15:16,749
while he chatted up girls
on the streets of Marbella.
309
00:15:16,832 --> 00:15:19,168
You all right, darling?
Having a good night?
310
00:15:19,251 --> 00:15:22,004
My dad is a 50-year-old virgin.
311
00:15:22,087 --> 00:15:24,965
-I'm looking for a bit of dark chocolate.
-So, come to my lodge.
312
00:15:25,049 --> 00:15:27,217
Yeah?
You like white chocolate, then, yeah?
313
00:15:27,301 --> 00:15:31,221
The aim for content like this is
that short clips get shared and go viral.
314
00:15:31,305 --> 00:15:34,516
You want my Instagram,
or you want my Instagram? What one?
315
00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:35,851
Both at the same time?
316
00:15:36,644 --> 00:15:37,937
Trio?
317
00:15:38,020 --> 00:15:40,814
Everywhere Ed went,
he was approached by young fans.
318
00:15:42,816 --> 00:15:44,360
-Where you guys from?
-Iceland!
319
00:15:44,443 --> 00:15:48,113
-Iceland, yeah?
-Yeah!
320
00:15:48,197 --> 00:15:50,449
-Ed, you're the king. You're the king.
-I love that.
321
00:15:50,532 --> 00:15:53,202
-How long have you been doing YouTube?
-Like two weeks. Just started.
322
00:15:53,285 --> 00:15:54,912
-Really?
-You're one of my inspirations.
323
00:15:54,995 --> 00:15:57,581
-Well, good luck.
-Whose mother is that?
324
00:15:57,665 --> 00:15:59,667
-She's mine.
-Is she single?
325
00:15:59,750 --> 00:16:01,251
-No, fuck off.
-She's not single.
326
00:16:01,335 --> 00:16:03,087
Oh, all right. Have a good day.
327
00:16:03,170 --> 00:16:04,630
Now, that was uncalled for.
328
00:16:04,713 --> 00:16:07,841
Sometimes I drop game, and I think,
"There was no need for that."
329
00:16:09,885 --> 00:16:14,139
At the end of the night,
I managed to grab a final moment with HS.
330
00:16:14,223 --> 00:16:16,225
So, I've just had a important call.
331
00:16:16,892 --> 00:16:20,562
I need to go to Dubai in the morning.
But it's been a pleasure meeting you.
332
00:16:20,646 --> 00:16:23,607
-Are we good? For real?
-We're good. Of course we're good.
333
00:16:23,691 --> 00:16:25,526
'Cause sometimes I'm not too sure.
334
00:16:25,609 --> 00:16:28,028
It's a shame I couldn't stay out later,
but I need to sleep.
335
00:16:28,112 --> 00:16:29,989
-See you later.
-Thanks a lot. See you later.
336
00:16:30,072 --> 00:16:31,407
-See you later.
-See you later.
337
00:16:31,907 --> 00:16:34,660
See you later, OC, yeah?
338
00:16:34,743 --> 00:16:35,744
All right.
339
00:16:35,828 --> 00:16:37,830
A lot of you people on TikTok are saying,
340
00:16:37,913 --> 00:16:40,791
"Oh, Louis Theroux's gonna finish you
in this documentary."
341
00:16:40,874 --> 00:16:45,212
In the days after I left HS,
he seemed to brood on our encounter.
342
00:16:45,295 --> 00:16:47,756
I was struck by his level of suspicion.
343
00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,552
Maybe that's his game, to act like
he's your mate and then just fuck you.
344
00:16:51,635 --> 00:16:53,053
You know, it probably is.
345
00:16:53,637 --> 00:16:54,847
But I was also curious
346
00:16:54,930 --> 00:16:57,474
about this strange new world
he seemed to embody,
347
00:16:58,100 --> 00:17:01,895
using extreme content
with global reach to sell products.
348
00:17:01,979 --> 00:17:04,606
If you're watching this,
and you wanna level your life up,
349
00:17:04,690 --> 00:17:08,277
you wanna be free,
send a message to the app below right now.
350
00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:10,320
I looked into his investment group.
351
00:17:10,404 --> 00:17:13,866
The broker firms he promoted
received terrible reviews.
352
00:17:13,949 --> 00:17:16,535
Don't ever say that I'm a scammer.
Don't ever say…
353
00:17:16,618 --> 00:17:19,079
HS takes a cut of whatever you put in,
354
00:17:19,163 --> 00:17:20,706
even if you lose money.
355
00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:21,832
…and I show you.
356
00:17:22,332 --> 00:17:25,461
I opened an account and put in ÂŁ500.
357
00:17:31,467 --> 00:17:34,762
I'd been learning
about his ideological forefathers,
358
00:17:34,845 --> 00:17:37,347
the community
of ultra-masculine influencers
359
00:17:37,431 --> 00:17:39,224
sometimes called the manosphere.
360
00:17:40,809 --> 00:17:44,313
And so I'd come
to its spiritual home, Miami.
361
00:17:45,773 --> 00:17:47,274
Much of the manosphere is made up
362
00:17:47,357 --> 00:17:51,236
of relatively uncontroversial comedians
and podcasters
363
00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:56,325
who broadcast about women, fitness,
and wealth to a mainly male audience.
364
00:17:57,367 --> 00:18:01,455
But at its edges is a community
of more extreme content creators.
365
00:18:04,416 --> 00:18:08,170
It was this world and its motivations
I was most intrigued by.
366
00:18:08,962 --> 00:18:10,964
Gentlemen, how are you guys doing?
367
00:18:11,048 --> 00:18:12,549
-How are you?
-Good to see you.
368
00:18:12,633 --> 00:18:14,718
-Louis. Nice to meet you.
-Justin Waller. Very nice.
369
00:18:14,802 --> 00:18:17,304
-Thanks. You look like a million bucks.
-Ah.
370
00:18:17,387 --> 00:18:19,681
Maybe half a million. Maybe half.
371
00:18:25,312 --> 00:18:27,147
Justin Waller is a businessman
372
00:18:27,231 --> 00:18:30,400
and success coach
from Baton Rouge, Louisiana,
373
00:18:30,484 --> 00:18:33,112
with more than a million followers
on Instagram.
374
00:18:34,154 --> 00:18:37,825
I give the best advice
I can possibly give to young men.
375
00:18:37,908 --> 00:18:39,743
Women aren't as feminist as you think.
376
00:18:39,827 --> 00:18:42,788
You think she won't leave you
for that buff dude? Promise you she will.
377
00:18:42,871 --> 00:18:46,125
Most women don't know what they want,
and I don't think it's their fault.
378
00:18:46,208 --> 00:18:49,211
He shares pictures of himself
in sharp, tailored suits
379
00:18:49,294 --> 00:18:51,713
with big muscles and expensive watches.
380
00:18:51,797 --> 00:18:55,759
This, in turn, funnels his fans
to business-advice products.
381
00:18:55,843 --> 00:18:57,136
In his media appearances,
382
00:18:57,219 --> 00:19:01,390
he often mentions his lifestyle
of romance with multiple partners.
383
00:19:01,473 --> 00:19:03,433
I love women. Let me be clear about this.
384
00:19:03,517 --> 00:19:06,436
In fact, I have quite the reputation
for loving 'em too much.
385
00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:07,688
Yeah!
386
00:19:12,943 --> 00:19:14,862
Nice. Very nice.
387
00:19:14,945 --> 00:19:19,032
Okay, but let me be very clear about it.
That car is not success. I wanna say that.
388
00:19:19,116 --> 00:19:21,577
-Mm-hmm.
-That car… Fuck that car.
389
00:19:21,660 --> 00:19:23,453
I might be an asshole in some areas,
390
00:19:23,537 --> 00:19:26,206
or people might not agree
with some views I have,
391
00:19:26,290 --> 00:19:28,542
but I'm not so foolish
to believe that's success.
392
00:19:28,625 --> 00:19:31,420
-So let's not make too big a thing of it.
-Just on the record.
393
00:19:31,503 --> 00:19:34,339
-I got it. Thank you.
-'Cause I don't. That's all. Yes, sir.
394
00:19:34,423 --> 00:19:35,841
I've left my phone upstairs.
395
00:19:35,924 --> 00:19:37,384
-Wanna come with me?
-Why not?
396
00:19:39,136 --> 00:19:41,180
-My girl.
-Hi.
397
00:19:42,931 --> 00:19:44,308
Wow, this is a nice spot.
398
00:19:44,391 --> 00:19:46,059
-Beautiful at dusk.
-I bet.
399
00:19:46,143 --> 00:19:47,686
Yeah. Beautiful at dusk.
400
00:19:47,769 --> 00:19:49,146
But this is my small place.
401
00:19:49,229 --> 00:19:51,857
This is kinda where I go
to get away and do all my work.
402
00:19:51,940 --> 00:19:54,318
My kids and everybody,
they're in Aventura.
403
00:19:54,401 --> 00:19:56,028
-It's very friendly-friendly.
-Mm-hm.
404
00:19:56,111 --> 00:19:57,112
Family-friendly.
405
00:19:57,196 --> 00:19:59,740
-So, how many kids have you got?
-I've got… I've got some.
406
00:19:59,823 --> 00:20:00,824
Yeah.
407
00:20:00,908 --> 00:20:03,160
-You know how many you've got, right?
-Yeah. I think so.
408
00:20:03,243 --> 00:20:04,161
What's the number?
409
00:20:04,244 --> 00:20:06,663
It's two. I have two.
Yeah, I got two little girls.
410
00:20:06,747 --> 00:20:08,999
-Are you with their mum?
-Yes.
411
00:20:09,082 --> 00:20:10,459
-Yeah.
-Absolutely. Yeah.
412
00:20:10,542 --> 00:20:12,044
-Are you married?
-No.
413
00:20:12,586 --> 00:20:14,463
I'm gonna get smoke for this. I always do.
414
00:20:14,546 --> 00:20:16,882
Everybody gets mad
when they ask about my relationship.
415
00:20:16,965 --> 00:20:19,509
Are you saying
you're not in a monogamous relationship?
416
00:20:20,010 --> 00:20:22,054
-One-sided monogamy. Yeah.
-Mm-hmm.
417
00:20:22,137 --> 00:20:24,932
Women don't wanna sleep with other men
when they love a man.
418
00:20:25,015 --> 00:20:26,683
One-sided monogamy means what?
419
00:20:26,767 --> 00:20:28,143
It means like…
420
00:20:28,227 --> 00:20:32,272
See, here we go. Here we go.
Setting me up.
421
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:37,277
My… The mother of my children,
the woman that I'm with,
422
00:20:37,361 --> 00:20:39,196
she doesn't talk to other men.
423
00:20:39,279 --> 00:20:40,405
So…
424
00:20:42,991 --> 00:20:44,284
Stings, huh?
425
00:20:45,452 --> 00:20:47,246
-You seem upset by it.
-It doesn't sting.
426
00:20:47,329 --> 00:20:49,665
You seem upset by it.
People get so upset about this.
427
00:20:49,748 --> 00:20:53,585
It's interesting you thought I was upset.
I just thought it was a resonant moment.
428
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:56,964
I notice that people get very angry
with me about this subject.
429
00:20:57,047 --> 00:21:00,425
-Do I seem angry?
-No, but you do seem to be digging.
430
00:21:00,509 --> 00:21:02,177
So…
431
00:21:03,762 --> 00:21:06,056
-We gotta get into some real stuff, right?
-We should.
432
00:21:06,139 --> 00:21:06,974
-Yeah.
-Yeah.
433
00:21:07,057 --> 00:21:09,476
Let me tell you another thing.
I don't promote it.
434
00:21:09,559 --> 00:21:12,688
I don't believe that every man should
go out and have a bunch of women
435
00:21:12,771 --> 00:21:15,190
or have his wife have threesomes
with his girlfriends.
436
00:21:15,274 --> 00:21:17,276
-Now--
-Is that something you do as well?
437
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,736
Yeah, of course. I'm hiding nothing.
438
00:21:20,404 --> 00:21:22,823
I refuse to. I refuse to.
439
00:21:23,323 --> 00:21:24,658
I refuse to.
440
00:21:24,741 --> 00:21:26,034
You've made the right decision.
441
00:21:26,118 --> 00:21:29,037
The Real World
is the number one school in the world.
442
00:21:29,871 --> 00:21:33,208
Justin also has a Telegram group
where he sells subscriptions
443
00:21:33,292 --> 00:21:37,296
to a so-called online university,
The Real World,
444
00:21:37,379 --> 00:21:38,505
set up by his close friends,
445
00:21:38,588 --> 00:21:41,633
the infamous brothers
Andrew and Tristan Tate,
446
00:21:41,717 --> 00:21:45,012
who have been charged
with human trafficking offenses in Romania
447
00:21:45,095 --> 00:21:46,555
but deny the charges.
448
00:21:47,097 --> 00:21:48,974
In the Real World,
you learn to make money.
449
00:21:49,057 --> 00:21:51,810
We have 18 professors
that are absolutely multimillionaires
450
00:21:51,893 --> 00:21:53,979
in the business they're teaching you
in real time.
451
00:21:54,062 --> 00:21:55,188
It's like a cheat code.
452
00:21:55,272 --> 00:21:57,733
A 14-year-old kid
made three grand the other day.
453
00:21:57,816 --> 00:22:02,321
I cannot believe this 13-year-old
is making more money than his parents.
454
00:22:05,490 --> 00:22:07,659
-I'm in the Telegram group.
-Nice.
455
00:22:07,743 --> 00:22:09,328
It says, "Join now."
456
00:22:09,911 --> 00:22:11,788
"Jointherealworld.com."
457
00:22:11,872 --> 00:22:15,834
So, if people click on it and sign up,
how much are they gonna pay?
458
00:22:15,917 --> 00:22:18,128
-It's like $50--
-$49 a month. $49.99 a month.
459
00:22:18,879 --> 00:22:22,632
And then you get a small sign-up fee?
That's part of the model.
460
00:22:22,716 --> 00:22:23,592
Yes, sir.
461
00:22:23,675 --> 00:22:25,677
How had you heard about them?
How had you heard--
462
00:22:25,761 --> 00:22:27,721
YouTube. I saw Andrew on YouTube.
463
00:22:27,804 --> 00:22:30,932
I remember laughing so hard
and punching my steering wheel,
464
00:22:31,016 --> 00:22:33,018
and there's a little dent
in the Ford logo,
465
00:22:33,101 --> 00:22:36,271
because he was saying things
I'd been saying to people for a long time.
466
00:22:36,355 --> 00:22:37,773
Things like what?
467
00:22:37,856 --> 00:22:39,524
A lot of people believe
468
00:22:39,608 --> 00:22:44,029
that men and women want to be
equal partners in a relationship.
469
00:22:44,112 --> 00:22:45,280
That's really not true.
470
00:22:45,364 --> 00:22:48,033
You wanna be the hero,
the person that saves the day,
471
00:22:48,116 --> 00:22:51,036
that creates a life for them
better than any life they could ever have.
472
00:22:55,624 --> 00:22:57,709
I want to go get a tea anyway in Wynwood.
473
00:22:57,793 --> 00:22:59,628
-Yeah, let's do that.
-All right, cool.
474
00:23:00,337 --> 00:23:02,297
Justin! Justin! Justin!
475
00:23:02,381 --> 00:23:03,298
What's up?
476
00:23:03,382 --> 00:23:04,591
-Doing all right?
-All right?
477
00:23:04,674 --> 00:23:06,051
-How you doing?
-Good.
478
00:23:06,134 --> 00:23:07,052
-Thanks, G.
-Nice.
479
00:23:07,135 --> 00:23:08,887
-Going for a ride?
-I'm down.
480
00:23:08,970 --> 00:23:09,888
Let's do it.
481
00:23:09,971 --> 00:23:11,515
What you doing, playboy?
482
00:23:11,598 --> 00:23:16,144
Like HS, Justin was attempting
to leverage his online notoriety
483
00:23:16,228 --> 00:23:18,480
and a parasocial connection
with his male fans…
484
00:23:18,563 --> 00:23:19,523
Take it straight.
485
00:23:19,606 --> 00:23:21,983
…into a marketing opportunity.
486
00:23:22,067 --> 00:23:25,278
-Appreciate it, man. Thank you.
-You wanna sit and have tea?
487
00:23:25,362 --> 00:23:26,696
-Definitely.
-Right.
488
00:23:27,322 --> 00:23:28,240
Can I say hi?
489
00:23:28,323 --> 00:23:29,199
-Matthew.
-Matthew.
490
00:23:29,282 --> 00:23:30,617
-Chris. Yeah.
-Chris. Louis.
491
00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:32,411
-How do you know Justin?
-I see his videos.
492
00:23:32,494 --> 00:23:35,288
-He's one of my greatest role models.
-Yeah.
493
00:23:35,372 --> 00:23:37,582
-You teach a lot of…
-100%. Him, Andrew Tate.
494
00:23:37,666 --> 00:23:39,584
-Andrew Tate, yeah.
-Tristan Tate, the brothers…
495
00:23:39,668 --> 00:23:42,504
They're all… They're all
a big inspiration to all of us.
496
00:23:42,587 --> 00:23:44,339
What's the message?
What do you get from it?
497
00:23:44,423 --> 00:23:46,091
I just think it's to never give up.
498
00:23:46,174 --> 00:23:50,387
Life as a man, you're born without value.
We have to build that value.
499
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:53,140
What do you mean,
life as a man, you're born without value?
500
00:23:53,223 --> 00:23:54,307
It's…
501
00:23:54,391 --> 00:23:56,101
Nothing in the world is given to you.
502
00:23:56,184 --> 00:23:58,019
-You have to work for every penny.
-100%.
503
00:23:58,103 --> 00:24:00,021
-Do women have it hard?
-I think…
504
00:24:00,105 --> 00:24:02,899
-They're born with value through beauty.
-Exactly.
505
00:24:02,983 --> 00:24:05,861
Because a woman can be
stunningly beautiful at 20 years old
506
00:24:05,944 --> 00:24:08,864
and get invited to ride in that car,
or onto a boat,
507
00:24:08,947 --> 00:24:11,741
or be flying to Miami or whatever
because it's pure beauty.
508
00:24:11,825 --> 00:24:15,287
Nobody's gonna invite him
on a trip to Miami.
509
00:24:15,370 --> 00:24:16,830
They're not gonna fly him out.
510
00:24:16,913 --> 00:24:20,333
He has to create value in the world.
He has to be valuable to other men.
511
00:24:20,417 --> 00:24:22,085
-Exactly.
-Otherwise, nobody cares.
512
00:24:22,169 --> 00:24:24,045
-Exactly. You said it.
-And that's a fact.
513
00:24:24,129 --> 00:24:26,882
I wanna say to your face,
thank you so much. Like…
514
00:24:26,965 --> 00:24:29,676
For me, you're one of
my biggest role models, man.
515
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:32,846
Two things I tell anybody that stops me.
Number one, I love you.
516
00:24:32,929 --> 00:24:33,805
-Yeah.
-Appreciate it.
517
00:24:33,889 --> 00:24:36,349
And there's nothing in this world
you can't do.
518
00:24:36,433 --> 00:24:37,767
We're in this shit together.
519
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:44,566
I get stopped every day by a young man
that tells me that I changed his life.
520
00:24:45,150 --> 00:24:47,277
The content put out
by Justin and his peers
521
00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,905
pushes an ideology known as the red pill.
522
00:24:49,988 --> 00:24:54,326
And you see the amount of bullshit
the modern Western man has to put up with?
523
00:24:55,452 --> 00:24:58,163
They take the phrase
from the movie The Matrix.
524
00:24:58,246 --> 00:25:00,499
What is the red pill?
Can you explain this to me?
525
00:25:00,582 --> 00:25:02,626
It's seeing the truth
for what it really is.
526
00:25:03,418 --> 00:25:06,588
Claiming to have seen through
the mainstream media's brainwashing
527
00:25:06,671 --> 00:25:09,883
about gender relations
and its discrimination against men.
528
00:25:09,966 --> 00:25:11,635
Red pill aware. This is what it is.
529
00:25:11,718 --> 00:25:15,972
The red pill is a necessary antidote
and counterweight to feminism.
530
00:25:16,056 --> 00:25:18,975
In the unregulated new media landscape,
531
00:25:19,059 --> 00:25:22,145
they share their unfiltered views
on hundreds of podcasts,
532
00:25:22,229 --> 00:25:24,731
which are clipped up
and disseminated across the internet.
533
00:25:24,814 --> 00:25:26,024
Those stories are always there.
534
00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:32,489
I was on my way to an appointment
with one of its most notorious figures,
535
00:25:32,572 --> 00:25:33,949
Amrou Fudl.
536
00:25:34,491 --> 00:25:37,160
You are born with your value.
We must create our value.
537
00:25:37,244 --> 00:25:38,787
How are we born with our value?
538
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:41,373
You literally have a vagina and titties.
You are born with value.
539
00:25:41,456 --> 00:25:42,499
Like, you're dead!
540
00:25:42,582 --> 00:25:45,293
A former agent
for the Department of Homeland Security,
541
00:25:45,377 --> 00:25:48,421
about five years ago,
he took to streaming and podcasting
542
00:25:48,505 --> 00:25:51,883
under the name Myron Gaines,
amassing a huge following.
543
00:25:51,967 --> 00:25:53,260
I don't think women should vote.
544
00:25:53,343 --> 00:25:55,845
I don't think women should be
in the military or law enforcement.
545
00:25:55,929 --> 00:25:57,264
Like Justin, he boasts
546
00:25:57,347 --> 00:26:01,184
about his one-way monogamous relationship
with his girlfriend.
547
00:26:01,268 --> 00:26:03,812
I do what the **** I wanna do.
She's loyal to me.
548
00:26:03,895 --> 00:26:05,730
It's monogamous on her end,
open on my end.
549
00:26:05,814 --> 00:26:08,942
She packs my ******* condoms
when I travel. That's how real it is.
550
00:26:15,740 --> 00:26:18,326
-How you doing? Nice to meet you. Louis.
-Nice to meet you.
551
00:26:18,410 --> 00:26:20,120
-Myron, right?
-Nice to meet you.
552
00:26:20,203 --> 00:26:23,081
Myron tends to be suspicious
of mainstream media,
553
00:26:23,164 --> 00:26:27,419
but after lengthy access conversations,
he'd agreed to meet me at his apartment.
554
00:26:28,086 --> 00:26:29,796
-Here we go.
-Yeah, right here.
555
00:26:29,879 --> 00:26:33,174
Welcome to the headquarters, gentlemen.
This is where we do all the filming.
556
00:26:33,258 --> 00:26:35,218
Where do you actually live live,
though?
557
00:26:35,302 --> 00:26:38,805
If you're actually just gonna chill
with your girlfriend and watch TV?
558
00:26:38,888 --> 00:26:40,807
I got my stuff back over there.
559
00:26:40,890 --> 00:26:42,851
-Are we allowed in there?
-I got my room.
560
00:26:42,934 --> 00:26:45,020
Once she comes and cleans,
I'll show you guys.
561
00:26:45,103 --> 00:26:46,688
-All right.
-She's gonna come and clean.
562
00:26:46,771 --> 00:26:49,065
-Wait, can I set up real quick? I wanna…
-Please.
563
00:26:50,442 --> 00:26:52,777
Recording on my end,
but I'm not gonna do anything with it.
564
00:26:52,861 --> 00:26:54,446
-That's fine.
-Great.
565
00:26:55,155 --> 00:26:56,531
Is that insurance for you?
566
00:26:56,615 --> 00:26:59,034
Well, here's the thing.
When you're controversial,
567
00:26:59,117 --> 00:27:00,910
people try to make hit pieces on you.
568
00:27:00,994 --> 00:27:04,789
This is kind of a big reason why
the mainstream media has lost credibility
569
00:27:04,873 --> 00:27:08,126
is because of this disingenuine reporting
on individuals.
570
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:09,919
Got it. Um…
571
00:27:10,003 --> 00:27:13,506
Knowing I was gonna see you today,
I sort of went through
572
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:16,926
some of the more controversial content
that you've put out.
573
00:27:17,010 --> 00:27:19,971
-Sure.
-Over the last couple years, let's say.
574
00:27:20,055 --> 00:27:21,973
Would you be all right
talking about some of that
575
00:27:22,057 --> 00:27:25,310
if I mentioned a few things
that, if I'm honest, I was shocked by?
576
00:27:25,393 --> 00:27:26,311
-Sure.
-Is that fair?
577
00:27:26,394 --> 00:27:28,313
Then I'm doing my job correctly, then.
578
00:27:28,396 --> 00:27:29,856
-Ready?
-Yup.
579
00:27:29,939 --> 00:27:31,107
Bitch, we ain't equal!
580
00:27:31,733 --> 00:27:34,569
I'm the dictator. You are the subordinate.
581
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,530
I dictate
when I want to put dick in you, bitch.
582
00:27:37,614 --> 00:27:40,867
And then you dictate
when the sandwiches come by my dictation.
583
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:42,118
That's how this goes.
584
00:27:42,202 --> 00:27:45,789
And women love guys like this,
that tell them what it is.
585
00:27:45,872 --> 00:27:49,501
This isn't open to interpretation,
or how you feel, or what you think.
586
00:27:49,584 --> 00:27:51,127
It doesn't matter what you think!
587
00:27:51,211 --> 00:27:52,962
"I dictate when I put my dick in you"?
588
00:27:53,046 --> 00:27:55,006
Yeah, yeah. So, do I literally mean,
589
00:27:55,090 --> 00:27:58,009
"Oh, yeah. I want to smash right now,
and you're on your period."
590
00:27:58,093 --> 00:28:01,638
And she's like, "I don't wanna do it now."
That's fine. Obviously, you don't do it.
591
00:28:01,721 --> 00:28:04,933
But I need guys to have this mindset
where it's like you're the leader.
592
00:28:05,016 --> 00:28:07,644
You're assertive, dominant,
the dictator of the relationship.
593
00:28:07,727 --> 00:28:08,687
What you say goes.
594
00:28:08,770 --> 00:28:11,773
Do you… do you consider yourself
a misogynist?
595
00:28:11,856 --> 00:28:15,652
No, because, um, misogyny would be
the hatred of women. I would argue I am…
596
00:28:15,735 --> 00:28:17,987
I… I love women,
and actually understand them.
597
00:28:18,071 --> 00:28:21,324
So, since I understand them,
I know what's best for them.
598
00:28:21,408 --> 00:28:23,535
You think you know better than they do?
599
00:28:23,618 --> 00:28:25,620
Yes, in many ways. Yeah.
That's how women want it.
600
00:28:25,704 --> 00:28:27,831
They want a guy
that can lead and dominate them.
601
00:28:27,914 --> 00:28:31,042
-Your girlfriend's named Angie, right?
-Yeah.
602
00:28:31,126 --> 00:28:36,005
And then do you have,
like, a rotation of other women?
603
00:28:36,506 --> 00:28:38,508
I wouldn't say a rotation,
like, right now.
604
00:28:38,591 --> 00:28:41,428
I do… I do want to get multiple wives,
but right now,
605
00:28:41,511 --> 00:28:44,848
I'm just focusing on building things up
for this year, especially.
606
00:28:44,931 --> 00:28:46,558
Multiple wives, really?
607
00:28:46,641 --> 00:28:48,226
Oh, hey, there's Angie right there.
608
00:28:48,309 --> 00:28:49,394
Should we meet Angie?
609
00:28:49,477 --> 00:28:50,937
Uh, yeah. She's, uh…
610
00:28:51,020 --> 00:28:52,689
Angie, can we say hi?
611
00:28:52,772 --> 00:28:56,025
-Hi!
-We'll keep it short, though, for her.
612
00:28:56,109 --> 00:28:58,611
Hi. Louis. Nice to meet you.
How do you do?
613
00:28:58,695 --> 00:29:00,113
I'm doing okay. Yeah.
614
00:29:00,196 --> 00:29:02,365
What attracted you to Myron?
615
00:29:02,449 --> 00:29:06,536
I say to my friends and to people
that always question our relationship
616
00:29:06,619 --> 00:29:09,831
that Myron is somebody
in front of the cameras,
617
00:29:09,914 --> 00:29:12,542
but behind them is somebody else with me,
618
00:29:12,625 --> 00:29:14,210
and I love him very much,
619
00:29:14,294 --> 00:29:17,547
and I will love him
as long as we're together.
620
00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:18,631
-Come here, baby.
-Yeah.
621
00:29:18,715 --> 00:29:21,217
-Five stars on Yelp.
-Yeah, five stars?
622
00:29:21,301 --> 00:29:24,345
Yeah. Five stars on Yelp, yeah.
623
00:29:24,429 --> 00:29:25,972
-Yeah.
-Yeah.
624
00:29:26,681 --> 00:29:31,227
But no, I'm happy to have her by my side.
She's been great, really helpful.
625
00:29:31,311 --> 00:29:35,190
So, one of the things we've been talking
about is relations between men and women.
626
00:29:35,273 --> 00:29:38,943
Myron's been quite open about the fact
that he expects to be in a relationship
627
00:29:39,027 --> 00:29:41,654
in which there's one-way monogamy,
as he calls it.
628
00:29:41,738 --> 00:29:44,115
He's allowed to basically pursue
other relationships…
629
00:29:44,199 --> 00:29:47,076
-So, our open relationship?
-Mm-hmm. But you're not.
630
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,661
The women that he sleeps with,
631
00:29:48,745 --> 00:29:52,040
he's just gonna be with them
for a night or so or whatever,
632
00:29:52,123 --> 00:29:54,834
but I don't… I don't think
he sees me that way because I…
633
00:29:54,918 --> 00:29:57,712
There is a reason
why I've stayed so long with him.
634
00:29:57,796 --> 00:30:00,715
-I don't wanna mix things up between you.
-Yeah.
635
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,301
But we were talking about,
in the future, maybe there's a world
636
00:30:03,384 --> 00:30:05,595
where you would have
more than one wife, right?
637
00:30:05,678 --> 00:30:06,596
She understands that.
638
00:30:06,679 --> 00:30:09,349
She knows that that could potentially
come down in the future.
639
00:30:09,432 --> 00:30:10,850
What do you say about that?
640
00:30:11,351 --> 00:30:13,603
Uh, I don't know.
641
00:30:13,686 --> 00:30:16,105
I mean, he has said that in the past.
642
00:30:16,189 --> 00:30:19,025
Uh, I think when…
I'll see when it happens.
643
00:30:19,108 --> 00:30:22,403
Like, I don't know how that will work.
The thing is that I think--
644
00:30:22,487 --> 00:30:26,658
But it's not gonna be anytime soon
because I'm just so focused on working.
645
00:30:26,741 --> 00:30:28,201
-But it could happen?
-It could.
646
00:30:28,284 --> 00:30:30,286
You can kick it down the road
only so long.
647
00:30:30,370 --> 00:30:34,249
She's put two years into a relationship.
If that's your long-term plan,
648
00:30:34,332 --> 00:30:36,918
at some point,
those two realities will collide.
649
00:30:37,001 --> 00:30:39,212
That's a bridge we'll cross
when we get there. Now--
650
00:30:39,295 --> 00:30:40,964
What does that mean? That's so avoidant.
651
00:30:41,047 --> 00:30:43,424
-It's something… You never know, man.
-It's just--
652
00:30:43,508 --> 00:30:45,343
You can always change your mind
down the road.
653
00:30:45,426 --> 00:30:47,846
Who knows? Maybe I'll say
I only wanna be with one girl
654
00:30:47,929 --> 00:30:49,097
'cause two would be too tough.
655
00:30:49,180 --> 00:30:51,057
You've backtracked on that already?
656
00:30:51,641 --> 00:30:54,310
Some people
in this part of the culture, right,
657
00:30:54,394 --> 00:30:57,689
who advocates for the idea of the 1% male,
that ultimate masculine…
658
00:30:57,772 --> 00:30:59,566
-Can you take him into the room?
-Sure.
659
00:30:59,649 --> 00:31:01,609
-That he's some--
-Frank, go with her. Sorry.
660
00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:04,362
Also, I need…
If you could clean up the room too.
661
00:31:04,445 --> 00:31:06,364
-Yeah.
-I need some help, yeah, with that.
662
00:31:07,323 --> 00:31:09,659
Was that okay, by the way?
I always feel weird like…
663
00:31:09,742 --> 00:31:11,536
-No. It's cool.
-It's awkward, though.
664
00:31:11,619 --> 00:31:13,997
-No. I--
-What did you feel? It felt awkward.
665
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,833
No, not at all. No.
Angie, like… She's with me--
666
00:31:16,916 --> 00:31:19,544
I don't think
she's as on board as you are.
667
00:31:20,336 --> 00:31:23,339
-On board with what?
-You know what.
668
00:31:23,423 --> 00:31:27,635
-Just the idea of other ladies.
-No, we've had these discussions.
669
00:31:27,719 --> 00:31:29,596
-I saw a little bit of pain in her.
-No.
670
00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:30,972
-No, definitely.
-No.
671
00:31:31,055 --> 00:31:32,056
-Yes.
-No.
672
00:31:32,140 --> 00:31:34,225
-Definitely. Yeah.
-No, no. She's fine.
673
00:31:34,309 --> 00:31:37,687
You don't think if I said to her,
"You would have Myron all to yourself,
674
00:31:37,770 --> 00:31:38,980
would you rather have that?"
675
00:31:39,063 --> 00:31:41,190
You don't think she would say,
"100%, of course"?
676
00:31:41,274 --> 00:31:43,860
She'd say, "Whatever makes him happy."
That's what she would say.
677
00:31:43,943 --> 00:31:47,864
You know, the time I do have,
I spend with her if I'm with any woman.
678
00:32:01,002 --> 00:32:03,004
Is that open? You've locked it.
679
00:32:03,087 --> 00:32:04,297
No, I didn't.
680
00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:08,259
-Thank you.
-Yeah, no.
681
00:32:08,343 --> 00:32:10,094
I wasn't fucking with you, though.
682
00:32:10,803 --> 00:32:13,556
I'd been hoping to understand
a little more about Justin
683
00:32:14,641 --> 00:32:17,435
and how he came to believe
what he believed.
684
00:32:17,518 --> 00:32:21,773
I think a lot of people assume
that I'm unhappy and I'll never know love.
685
00:32:21,856 --> 00:32:25,401
-Why would they assume that?
-'Cause of my views or sexual preference.
686
00:32:25,485 --> 00:32:27,862
If me and my wife have
a bunch of girlfriends,
687
00:32:27,946 --> 00:32:30,198
or let's say three or four girlfriends,
688
00:32:30,698 --> 00:32:33,660
then all of a sudden,
somehow, I must not be happy.
689
00:32:34,243 --> 00:32:38,706
There's a few of 'em that are die-hard,
tattooing my name on 'em.
690
00:32:38,790 --> 00:32:40,333
Why would they do that?
691
00:32:40,416 --> 00:32:42,961
-Why would they do what?
-Tattoo your name on them.
692
00:32:43,044 --> 00:32:45,672
Probably 'cause they saw it
on my… my wife.
693
00:32:50,551 --> 00:32:53,262
I'd done some digging
into Justin's background,
694
00:32:53,346 --> 00:32:56,140
growing up in a small town in Louisiana.
695
00:33:02,730 --> 00:33:07,610
Becoming a college football star,
then founding RedIron Construction.
696
00:33:07,694 --> 00:33:11,656
He leveraged his image as a steel magnate
into podcast appearances.
697
00:33:17,787 --> 00:33:22,041
But how much of it was exactly
as described was hard to know.
698
00:33:23,084 --> 00:33:25,211
My man! How y'all doing?
699
00:33:25,294 --> 00:33:27,672
He'd offered to show me
his main apartment,
700
00:33:27,755 --> 00:33:30,258
where he lived with his other half
and their two daughters.
701
00:33:30,925 --> 00:33:34,220
Your wife, you prefer
she's kept off-camera, correct?
702
00:33:34,303 --> 00:33:36,222
-1,000%.
-And the kids too.
703
00:33:36,305 --> 00:33:38,307
I wanna protect my family, you know?
704
00:33:38,391 --> 00:33:40,435
Like any man
would wanna protect his family.
705
00:33:40,518 --> 00:33:43,771
They'd all moved there
a few months earlier from Baton Rouge
706
00:33:43,855 --> 00:33:46,649
while Justin tried to grow
his social media brand
707
00:33:46,733 --> 00:33:49,360
and build contacts
with Trump's inner circle.
708
00:33:49,444 --> 00:33:50,820
I had dinner with Barron.
709
00:33:50,903 --> 00:33:52,280
-Where?
-At Mar-a-Lago.
710
00:33:52,363 --> 00:33:54,907
-At Mar-a-Lago? Did you?
-I met Donald that night. Yeah.
711
00:33:54,991 --> 00:33:57,785
But I've been to Mar-a-Lago
four or five times.
712
00:33:59,495 --> 00:34:01,998
-These windows are incredible.
-It's beautiful.
713
00:34:02,081 --> 00:34:04,417
How much did it set you back?
714
00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:06,210
-This?
-Or is it a rental?
715
00:34:06,919 --> 00:34:08,671
Oh no, I rent this place.
716
00:34:08,755 --> 00:34:10,798
By the time I pay all the bills,
20 grand a month.
717
00:34:10,882 --> 00:34:13,259
How much are you worth, would you say?
718
00:34:13,342 --> 00:34:16,846
The last time I checked,
it was well over 30.
719
00:34:16,929 --> 00:34:19,057
-Thirty…?
-Million. Yeah.
720
00:34:19,140 --> 00:34:22,602
So I'm not as rich as a lot of these guys,
but, you know, I'm doing okay.
721
00:34:24,228 --> 00:34:26,064
You guys gotta see upstairs.
722
00:34:30,735 --> 00:34:32,737
-So--
-And that's your pool down there?
723
00:34:32,820 --> 00:34:33,738
Yeah.
724
00:34:35,031 --> 00:34:36,699
People ask me, "Why Miami?"
725
00:34:36,783 --> 00:34:39,243
And I tell 'em because,
if it was 120 years ago,
726
00:34:39,327 --> 00:34:43,122
I'd be on a horse on the way to California
to dig for gold. It's in me. I love it.
727
00:34:43,206 --> 00:34:48,169
It feels like, whether you call it
the red pill community or the manosphere,
728
00:34:48,252 --> 00:34:51,255
that it's seeking
to maybe correct something,
729
00:34:51,339 --> 00:34:54,592
to redress a change in the culture.
730
00:34:55,093 --> 00:34:59,680
I believe that the world
really took a swing in the wrong direction
731
00:34:59,764 --> 00:35:02,809
when it comes to it being acceptable
732
00:35:02,892 --> 00:35:06,771
for a man to have a masculine energy
about him, to be strong.
733
00:35:06,854 --> 00:35:08,272
It got called toxic.
734
00:35:08,356 --> 00:35:12,777
And you mix that with feminism,
and we've asked women to become men.
735
00:35:13,569 --> 00:35:17,323
You know, men build…
invent, build, and maintain society.
736
00:35:17,406 --> 00:35:19,867
That's a fact, you know, and… and…
737
00:35:19,951 --> 00:35:23,955
-Don't women do that too?
-Uh, I don't… Look around.
738
00:35:24,038 --> 00:35:27,834
Can you name anything that a woman
has invented and built in our plain sight?
739
00:35:27,917 --> 00:35:30,336
-Around here?
-Nothing.
740
00:35:30,419 --> 00:35:33,798
Men built all these buildings.
They engineered 'em. They designed them.
741
00:35:33,881 --> 00:35:35,258
Do we definitely know that?
742
00:35:35,341 --> 00:35:37,385
-It is a fact.
-There are many--
743
00:35:37,468 --> 00:35:40,513
There's nothing wrong with that, though.
That's the other point.
744
00:35:40,596 --> 00:35:43,224
People think that we don't like women.
I love women.
745
00:35:43,307 --> 00:35:46,811
Are you okay
with girls, women wanting to be
746
00:35:46,894 --> 00:35:50,439
-architects, astronauts, entrepreneurs?
-Absolutely. Hell, yeah.
747
00:35:50,523 --> 00:35:52,150
If that's what they want.
748
00:35:52,233 --> 00:35:55,653
-But you think they don't want that.
-I think some of them do.
749
00:35:55,736 --> 00:35:57,697
But I think, by and largely,
750
00:35:57,780 --> 00:36:01,200
these women are looking for husbands
and want to have families.
751
00:36:02,660 --> 00:36:05,204
You're not a tall guy,
and you take care of fitness,
752
00:36:05,288 --> 00:36:07,832
and you have a certain reputation
in your town,
753
00:36:07,915 --> 00:36:09,959
and you make money, I'll be fucking damned
754
00:36:10,042 --> 00:36:13,129
if you can't have one of the finest women
in that town or maybe two.
755
00:36:13,212 --> 00:36:15,923
Maybe you don't come to Miami
and pull Miami tens,
756
00:36:16,007 --> 00:36:19,093
but I'll be damned if you can't pull
a couple eights or nines
757
00:36:19,177 --> 00:36:20,511
in a small town in America.
758
00:36:20,595 --> 00:36:22,763
And I know this
'cause I've built steel buildings
759
00:36:22,847 --> 00:36:24,140
all over the fucking country.
760
00:36:24,223 --> 00:36:25,349
They are there, bro.
761
00:36:25,433 --> 00:36:28,644
Nothing in this world can stop you
from getting what you want.
762
00:36:28,728 --> 00:36:31,063
You just have to nut the fuck up
and go get it.
763
00:36:31,147 --> 00:36:32,148
Yeah.
764
00:36:32,231 --> 00:36:34,442
-He says you just have to…
-Man up.
765
00:36:34,525 --> 00:36:36,110
Did he say, "Nut the fuck up"?
766
00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:37,528
-Shut up and nut up.
-Yeah.
767
00:36:37,612 --> 00:36:39,989
-Shut up and nut up?
-It's tough love.
768
00:36:40,072 --> 00:36:42,950
At a Miami beach,
I was with Mattie and Chris,
769
00:36:43,034 --> 00:36:45,953
the two fans of Justin's
I'd met at the tea place.
770
00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:47,872
I was hoping to understand a little more
771
00:36:47,955 --> 00:36:51,250
of what they appreciated
in the manosphere content.
772
00:36:51,334 --> 00:36:53,628
That mindset of Justin Waller,
773
00:36:53,711 --> 00:36:55,755
it inspires young men,
especially like myself,
774
00:36:55,838 --> 00:36:58,424
who maybe didn't have
that male figure in the house.
775
00:36:58,507 --> 00:37:00,635
As a man,
nobody's gonna give you a handout.
776
00:37:00,718 --> 00:37:02,595
If I'm living in the street,
777
00:37:02,678 --> 00:37:04,931
why am I gonna wait
for somebody to fix my life
778
00:37:05,014 --> 00:37:06,307
when I can fix my own life?
779
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:08,142
-This hand gesture…
-Yeah.
780
00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:11,520
I've seen Andrew Tate doing that
in interviews. I never knew what it meant.
781
00:37:11,604 --> 00:37:13,731
-It's to do with the matrix?
-Yeah.
782
00:37:13,814 --> 00:37:17,568
Do you know…
There's a term called the matrix.
783
00:37:17,652 --> 00:37:23,866
So, basically, yes, we're… we're born to…
to just accept what society gives to you.
784
00:37:24,367 --> 00:37:27,662
And what he promotes is saying that,
no, you have to refuse it.
785
00:37:27,745 --> 00:37:30,706
Refuse that,
and you accomplish your own goals.
786
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:33,501
I'm going to help my mother.
I'm gonna give generational wealth
787
00:37:33,584 --> 00:37:34,877
to my kids, to my mother,
788
00:37:34,961 --> 00:37:38,464
to my… to everybody else,
and there's nothing that can hold me back.
789
00:37:38,547 --> 00:37:40,883
-No 9-to-5 job is gonna give you that.
-Exactly.
790
00:37:40,967 --> 00:37:43,219
-That's "the matrix."
-That's "the matrix," the job.
791
00:37:43,302 --> 00:37:44,637
-That box.
-That box.
792
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:46,681
That you're going to work every day,
793
00:37:46,764 --> 00:37:49,934
and you're sacrificing a better life
for you and your loved ones.
794
00:37:50,017 --> 00:37:51,978
People don't want to…
795
00:37:53,271 --> 00:37:55,773
They don't wanna see,
like, an empowerment of men.
796
00:37:55,856 --> 00:37:56,816
'Cause it's a threat.
797
00:38:05,449 --> 00:38:08,661
Mattie had moved to Miami
two years earlier to make it big,
798
00:38:08,744 --> 00:38:10,454
but it hadn't been easy.
799
00:38:10,538 --> 00:38:11,539
Come on.
800
00:38:12,164 --> 00:38:14,458
Recently, he'd been homeless.
801
00:38:15,126 --> 00:38:17,128
You were in your car for a while,
living in your car?
802
00:38:17,211 --> 00:38:18,462
Yeah. That was in the past,
803
00:38:18,546 --> 00:38:21,424
but lucky enough that, uh…
that God pulled me out of that.
804
00:38:21,507 --> 00:38:24,844
I was feeling sorry for myself.
I was like, I'm in a losing position,
805
00:38:24,927 --> 00:38:26,262
and I'm crying every night.
806
00:38:26,345 --> 00:38:29,181
I have no food to eat.
But I could do one of two things.
807
00:38:29,265 --> 00:38:33,811
Either keep complaining about my position
or start thinking solutions-based.
808
00:38:33,894 --> 00:38:35,980
Maybe start changing the perspective,
how I see it.
809
00:38:36,063 --> 00:38:39,734
Maybe… As men, we're meant to suffer.
We're not meant to be happy.
810
00:38:39,817 --> 00:38:42,111
We learn more in our failures
than in our wins.
811
00:38:42,611 --> 00:38:45,114
-And we don't believe in depression also.
-Meaning?
812
00:38:45,197 --> 00:38:46,324
We don't believe in it.
813
00:38:46,407 --> 00:38:48,659
You know, the average person
that has everything
814
00:38:48,743 --> 00:38:51,287
that they need to exceed in life,
yet you're still depressed,
815
00:38:51,370 --> 00:38:53,247
yet you're still feeling sorry
for yourself…
816
00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:54,665
Like, you have the tools you need.
817
00:38:54,749 --> 00:38:56,667
My brother passed away.
818
00:38:56,751 --> 00:38:58,127
I had moments where I was sad,
819
00:38:58,210 --> 00:39:00,379
but I tried to turn it
into something positive.
820
00:39:00,463 --> 00:39:02,381
-How did he die?
-Um…
821
00:39:02,882 --> 00:39:06,469
He… he took his own life.
But what I'm saying is that's in the past.
822
00:39:06,552 --> 00:39:08,012
And I have to use that,
823
00:39:08,095 --> 00:39:11,891
and I have to become great,
not only for myself, but for my brother.
824
00:39:16,812 --> 00:39:19,273
For the first time,
I felt I'd had an insight
825
00:39:19,357 --> 00:39:23,694
into how the masculinist messaging
offered direction and a sense of hope
826
00:39:23,778 --> 00:39:25,988
to people facing difficulties.
827
00:39:28,282 --> 00:39:32,203
But I was also struck
by the distrust that came with it.
828
00:39:32,286 --> 00:39:37,708
The idea of a matrix purposely designed
to make men fail.
829
00:39:39,001 --> 00:39:40,669
-How's it looking?
-Looks great.
830
00:39:50,763 --> 00:39:53,265
Smartest dog in Miami right here,
this guy.
831
00:39:53,849 --> 00:39:56,602
I'd arranged to go on Myron's podcast.
832
00:39:58,479 --> 00:39:59,772
Frank, open the door.
833
00:40:00,481 --> 00:40:02,024
Given it is widely viewed
834
00:40:02,108 --> 00:40:05,861
as one of the most poisonous shows
in the entire manosphere,
835
00:40:05,945 --> 00:40:09,573
it wasn't a straightforward decision,
but I'd felt it was important
836
00:40:09,657 --> 00:40:12,535
to see him at work
and get a sense of his audience.
837
00:40:12,618 --> 00:40:14,537
-Walter.
-Louis. How are you doing?
838
00:40:14,620 --> 00:40:17,248
He'd taken some persuading to let me back.
839
00:40:17,331 --> 00:40:20,751
He'd been unhappy about the interview
with his girlfriend Angie.
840
00:40:22,044 --> 00:40:24,922
If you guys want anything
to drink, just ask one of the ladies.
841
00:40:25,005 --> 00:40:29,051
I would be appearing on a section
called Fresh&Fit AfterHours…
842
00:40:29,135 --> 00:40:32,763
You understand that if you're a fat woman,
you're effectively useless in life.
843
00:40:32,847 --> 00:40:36,934
…where Myron and his cohost, Walter,
spar with local female influencers.
844
00:40:37,017 --> 00:40:38,978
-You're huge. Not attractive.
-'Cause… Got it.
845
00:40:39,061 --> 00:40:43,023
For you to behave the way that you do
is a fucking embarrassment to society.
846
00:40:43,107 --> 00:40:45,443
You fat fuckin' bitch.
Get the fuck out my studio.
847
00:40:45,526 --> 00:40:47,278
-Go back to your bitch-ass husband.
-Let's go!
848
00:40:47,361 --> 00:40:49,363
Get the fuck up outta here.
You're an embarrassment.
849
00:40:50,072 --> 00:40:52,700
Three, two, one.
850
00:40:54,285 --> 00:40:57,413
And we are live. What's up, guys?
Welcome to the Fresh&Fit podcast.
851
00:40:57,496 --> 00:40:59,999
We're here with special guest
Stirling Cooper, back in the house!
852
00:41:00,082 --> 00:41:03,836
Tonight, the stream started
with Myron talking to a dating coach
853
00:41:03,919 --> 00:41:07,214
and penis extension expert
named Stirling Cooper.
854
00:41:07,298 --> 00:41:10,759
Uh, so I used to be a porn star.
Started my own YouTube channel.
855
00:41:10,843 --> 00:41:13,679
Started teaching guys
how to fix problems in the bedroom
856
00:41:13,762 --> 00:41:17,433
and how to, yeah,
dick their girl down properly.
857
00:41:17,516 --> 00:41:20,436
Giving her what she really wants,
like, subconsciously.
858
00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:23,731
Let's be honest here.
Everything about female nature is a lie.
859
00:41:23,814 --> 00:41:25,149
They wear makeup.
860
00:41:25,232 --> 00:41:26,901
You don't know
when they're on their period.
861
00:41:26,984 --> 00:41:28,777
They don't really show attention to you.
862
00:41:29,653 --> 00:41:31,405
With a few minutes before my segment,
863
00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:34,533
I wandered off to meet the woman
who books the girls for the show.
864
00:41:34,617 --> 00:41:37,161
-How you doing?
-Hi. Nice to meet you.
865
00:41:37,244 --> 00:41:39,705
-Louis.
-Louis, my name's Icy.
866
00:41:39,788 --> 00:41:41,081
-Icy.
-I help out with the back.
867
00:41:41,165 --> 00:41:45,711
So, the girls will end up
going on Fresh&Fit? On the show?
868
00:41:45,794 --> 00:41:50,508
Yeah. Sometimes we'd get into fights here
before when we used to serve alcohol,
869
00:41:50,591 --> 00:41:55,346
and those nights weren't really pretty
when the girls got into their emotions.
870
00:41:55,429 --> 00:41:58,057
I'm gonna counsel me,
'cause when it comes to women…
871
00:41:58,140 --> 00:42:00,601
So, like, no, my friend. You are a guy.
872
00:42:00,684 --> 00:42:04,313
As we continued,
Myron became aware of the conversation.
873
00:42:04,897 --> 00:42:07,900
-Don't ask for nudes. Never ask for nudes.
-Yeah, that's a L.
874
00:42:08,901 --> 00:42:12,196
Oh, I just messed up.
875
00:42:13,781 --> 00:42:16,116
Okay. Um…
876
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,201
You okay?
877
00:42:19,453 --> 00:42:21,372
What happened? Everything all right?
878
00:42:21,455 --> 00:42:23,541
Um, I don't know how to properly say this,
879
00:42:23,624 --> 00:42:26,669
but I cannot answer
any more questions anymore.
880
00:42:26,752 --> 00:42:27,795
-Oh no.
-Yeah.
881
00:42:27,878 --> 00:42:29,421
-Okay.
-Sorry.
882
00:42:29,505 --> 00:42:30,631
That's all right.
883
00:42:31,715 --> 00:42:33,842
-I appreciate you guys.
-All right. No problem.
884
00:42:33,926 --> 00:42:34,927
Thank you.
885
00:42:36,345 --> 00:42:37,596
I'm sorry to make it awkward.
886
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,473
-That's no problem.
-But it's not me.
887
00:42:39,557 --> 00:42:41,725
I'm sorry
if we've made your life, uh, difficult.
888
00:42:41,809 --> 00:42:45,145
No, no, no. You didn't. You didn't.
I'm just not allowed to. That's all.
889
00:42:45,854 --> 00:42:48,482
Myron had seemingly shut down Icy.
890
00:42:48,566 --> 00:42:49,733
Tell her to go downstairs too.
891
00:42:49,817 --> 00:42:52,194
Did you find it strange
that the ones that don't…
892
00:42:52,278 --> 00:42:54,029
And stay down there.
893
00:42:54,113 --> 00:42:57,366
But before I could find out why,
it was showtime.
894
00:43:02,329 --> 00:43:04,623
We're back. Welcome to Fresh&Fit podcast
AfterHours edition.
895
00:43:04,707 --> 00:43:08,627
If you don't mind, give us your name,
your age, what you do for a living.
896
00:43:08,711 --> 00:43:12,798
My name's Ruby.
I'm 22. Um, I do bottle service.
897
00:43:12,881 --> 00:43:16,635
My name is Giselle.
I'm a full-time model currently.
898
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,306
Hi, I'm Caro.
I model, and I do social media.
899
00:43:20,389 --> 00:43:21,682
Just say OnlyFans, man.
900
00:43:21,765 --> 00:43:24,602
Um, actually, no.
I think I might be stopping OnlyFans.
901
00:43:24,685 --> 00:43:27,813
We've got some company in the house.
Louis, you wanna introduce yourself?
902
00:43:27,896 --> 00:43:30,316
My name's Louis, and I make documentaries.
903
00:43:30,399 --> 00:43:33,652
So, I've been spending a bit of time
with Myron and getting to know him.
904
00:43:33,736 --> 00:43:35,696
Am I as toxic as they say?
905
00:43:35,779 --> 00:43:39,992
You know, uh, I'm waiting
to make my final determination on that.
906
00:43:40,075 --> 00:43:41,702
-I have a question.
-Okay.
907
00:43:41,785 --> 00:43:43,537
Ladies, if you don't mind, uh…
908
00:43:43,621 --> 00:43:45,247
Can you name three countries?
909
00:43:45,331 --> 00:43:48,334
Portugal.
910
00:43:48,417 --> 00:43:50,377
-More fucking loud.
-Barcelona.
911
00:43:50,461 --> 00:43:53,213
Okay, what about you?
912
00:43:54,923 --> 00:43:58,677
The format seemed mainly a chance
to embarrass the female guests.
913
00:43:58,761 --> 00:44:01,472
You want a guy that's successful,
but want him to give you attention.
914
00:44:01,555 --> 00:44:03,432
Absolutely. That's just me.
915
00:44:03,515 --> 00:44:05,601
Can we get the calculator out, please?
916
00:44:05,684 --> 00:44:08,604
This right here is
the Fresh&Fit Female Delusion Calculator.
917
00:44:08,687 --> 00:44:10,189
-Okay.
-Height?
918
00:44:10,272 --> 00:44:12,191
-Six foot.
-Race?
919
00:44:12,274 --> 00:44:14,401
I prefer Black.
That's who I see myself with.
920
00:44:14,485 --> 00:44:15,986
Minimum income per year?
921
00:44:16,487 --> 00:44:18,989
Let's just do 300,000 a year.
922
00:44:19,073 --> 00:44:22,576
Uh, your man meets less than 1%
of the male population here.
923
00:44:22,660 --> 00:44:25,871
Are you okay with staying single
for the rest of your life?
924
00:44:25,954 --> 00:44:27,122
You're not gonna find that.
925
00:44:27,206 --> 00:44:29,333
Would you be okay
with him having other women?
926
00:44:29,416 --> 00:44:31,085
-Absolutely not.
-You're cooked.
927
00:44:31,168 --> 00:44:33,837
You guys overinflate
your own sense of self-worth.
928
00:44:33,921 --> 00:44:35,923
You guys think you're better
than you really are.
929
00:44:36,006 --> 00:44:38,926
But the reality is, all of you guys
bring the same thing to the table.
930
00:44:39,009 --> 00:44:40,511
'Cause men don't ask for much.
931
00:44:40,594 --> 00:44:44,098
So, if you don't wanna give it to him,
he'll go find a 21-year-old that will.
932
00:44:45,224 --> 00:44:48,477
You know, you're talking like…
'Cause you've never been married.
933
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,897
There's so much more to a relationship
than just the physical side of it.
934
00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:55,567
But the original reason
why men deal with women in the first place
935
00:44:55,651 --> 00:44:57,361
is their beauty and their sexuality.
936
00:44:57,444 --> 00:44:59,780
Yes and no. You may be attracted to her
937
00:44:59,863 --> 00:45:03,033
because of her intelligence
and her sense of humor as well.
938
00:45:04,451 --> 00:45:06,203
All right.
"To the slag two down from Myron,
939
00:45:06,286 --> 00:45:07,496
since you cheat on every…"
940
00:45:07,579 --> 00:45:11,083
For a fee, viewers could have
their comments read out live on air.
941
00:45:11,166 --> 00:45:12,376
Masiam. 20 bucks.
942
00:45:12,459 --> 00:45:16,046
"Hey, playdough forehead
two down from Myron,
943
00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:18,674
just cut your losses and shut the fuck…"
God damn.
944
00:45:19,174 --> 00:45:21,510
Okay. Yeah. All right.
Ladies, does body count matter?
945
00:45:21,593 --> 00:45:25,264
Don't judge my body count,
and I won't judge yours. Clean slate.
946
00:45:25,347 --> 00:45:27,683
Whatever happens in the past
stays in the past.
947
00:45:27,766 --> 00:45:29,601
Let's go on and roll this video.
948
00:45:29,685 --> 00:45:31,729
I'm a neuroscientist. Let me explain.
949
00:45:31,812 --> 00:45:33,897
Studies show that women absorb and retain
950
00:45:33,981 --> 00:45:36,900
the DNA of every man they've been with
via sperm.
951
00:45:36,984 --> 00:45:38,402
This foreign DNA has been found
952
00:45:38,485 --> 00:45:41,447
in the brain, organs,
and reproductive system,
953
00:45:41,530 --> 00:45:43,741
but nobody talks about the consequences.
954
00:45:43,824 --> 00:45:46,660
Ever wonder why some kids resemble
an ex more than their father?
955
00:45:46,744 --> 00:45:47,995
This is usually why.
956
00:45:48,078 --> 00:45:49,997
The more men a woman has been with,
957
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,333
the higher the risk of negative mutations
in her future children.
958
00:45:53,417 --> 00:45:55,794
-Louis, what do you think?
-Well, that video…
959
00:45:55,878 --> 00:45:57,546
That was ridiculous.
960
00:45:57,629 --> 00:46:02,676
The thing about, "Oh, you have a kid,
and it resembles your previous partner"?
961
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,094
No one thinks that.
962
00:46:04,178 --> 00:46:06,555
-Well, there has been some--
-That's insane.
963
00:46:06,638 --> 00:46:08,515
There has been scientific data
that reflects this
964
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:10,476
when it comes to females
and parent bonding.
965
00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:13,103
When they talk about misinformation
on the internet,
966
00:46:13,187 --> 00:46:14,980
this is what they're talking about.
967
00:46:15,063 --> 00:46:17,316
I think the biggest takeaway is that…
968
00:46:17,399 --> 00:46:19,151
As I was drawn into the conversation,
969
00:46:19,234 --> 00:46:22,905
I realized I too was being assessed
by commenters in the chat.
970
00:46:24,573 --> 00:46:27,326
The anonymous posters did not hold back.
971
00:46:30,204 --> 00:46:32,915
All right. Love y'all,
but catch me tomorrow at 5:00 p.m.
972
00:46:32,998 --> 00:46:35,125
-MyronGainesX. Later.
-Peace.
973
00:46:36,418 --> 00:46:38,879
After the show,
I reflected on the reductiveness
974
00:46:38,962 --> 00:46:41,048
of its take on gender relations,
975
00:46:41,131 --> 00:46:45,260
where both women and men
were only as good as their various stats,
976
00:46:45,344 --> 00:46:47,971
money, height, body count.
977
00:46:50,974 --> 00:46:55,646
But I also realized Myron's girlfriend
Angie hadn't been at the studio.
978
00:46:55,729 --> 00:46:58,732
I decided to talk to him
about what the issue was.
979
00:46:58,816 --> 00:47:01,902
You know, I sensed
that there was a little feeling
980
00:47:01,985 --> 00:47:04,154
of maybe Angie shouldn't be
in the documentary,
981
00:47:04,238 --> 00:47:06,198
and I just wonder what was behind that.
982
00:47:06,824 --> 00:47:08,742
I decided to get into the limelight,
983
00:47:08,826 --> 00:47:11,453
and I don't want her
to have to deal with that.
984
00:47:11,537 --> 00:47:13,914
She's on the show, isn't she?
I've seen her.
985
00:47:13,997 --> 00:47:16,458
-No. She doesn't come on the show.
-Not anymore? I've seen her.
986
00:47:16,542 --> 00:47:17,918
It's been a while. Frank, sit.
987
00:47:18,001 --> 00:47:21,463
I want her to focus on being happy.
She doesn't need to be in the limelight.
988
00:47:21,547 --> 00:47:24,258
-Is that coming more from you or from her?
-Both.
989
00:47:30,806 --> 00:47:32,975
And with that, I was leaving Miami
990
00:47:33,851 --> 00:47:38,480
with the inescapable sense that something
in the Angie chat had bothered Myron.
991
00:47:39,064 --> 00:47:43,652
That he felt he'd come across
as somehow weak and insufficiently alpha.
992
00:47:45,195 --> 00:47:49,408
But I was also thinking
about the experience of being on Fresh&Fit
993
00:47:49,491 --> 00:47:52,077
and the symbiotic relationship
between Myron
994
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,831
and the Instagram models
and OnlyFans girls that were his guests
995
00:47:55,914 --> 00:47:58,458
as they used each other
to raise their profiles.
996
00:48:02,796 --> 00:48:05,591
It is a common tactic in the manosphere
997
00:48:05,674 --> 00:48:08,468
to advocate for traditional values
998
00:48:08,552 --> 00:48:13,223
while at the same time wanting to be seen
with scantily clad models in bikinis.
999
00:48:14,057 --> 00:48:15,726
Hiya. Pretty active at work.
1000
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,438
I'd been thinking more
about my time with HS.
1001
00:48:19,521 --> 00:48:23,609
He'd embodied a similar attitude,
profiting from OnlyFans girls
1002
00:48:23,692 --> 00:48:26,320
while at the same time
calling them disgusting.
1003
00:48:26,403 --> 00:48:28,739
All right, she's here. Get her.
1004
00:48:28,822 --> 00:48:31,825
An interview he'd done
with the influencer Bonnie Blue,
1005
00:48:31,909 --> 00:48:35,495
famous for claiming to have had sex
with 1,000 men in one day,
1006
00:48:35,579 --> 00:48:37,289
was just the latest example.
1007
00:48:37,789 --> 00:48:42,210
What girl is worse to idolize than this?
There are other things you could've done.
1008
00:48:42,294 --> 00:48:44,671
I genuinely thought
you'd be much more educated.
1009
00:48:44,755 --> 00:48:45,923
What do your parents say?
1010
00:48:46,006 --> 00:48:48,008
-They are proud and support me.
-No, they're not.
1011
00:48:48,091 --> 00:48:49,468
This one is genuinely boring.
1012
00:48:49,551 --> 00:48:51,762
-They're not.
-He's actually boring me.
1013
00:48:51,845 --> 00:48:54,473
Oh! Bonnie, why are you rattled?
1014
00:48:54,556 --> 00:48:57,559
You took your mic off, you dumb blonde.
Put the mic on.
1015
00:48:57,643 --> 00:48:59,645
Bonnie just got fucking pressed.
1016
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:06,151
It was a striking contradiction.
1017
00:49:06,234 --> 00:49:08,987
By now, his wariness of me had lessened,
1018
00:49:09,071 --> 00:49:12,032
presumably because he'd noticed
his posts about the filming
1019
00:49:12,115 --> 00:49:13,992
were helping his social media presence.
1020
00:49:14,076 --> 00:49:14,952
They call me B.
1021
00:49:15,035 --> 00:49:15,911
-B?
-Yeah.
1022
00:49:15,994 --> 00:49:18,413
I decided to speak to him again.
1023
00:49:18,497 --> 00:49:21,583
-Security?
-Yeah. The best.
1024
00:49:25,587 --> 00:49:27,756
-How are you?
-How you doing? Good to see you.
1025
00:49:27,839 --> 00:49:28,966
How's life?
1026
00:49:29,758 --> 00:49:32,135
The interview you did
with Bonnie Blue was interesting.
1027
00:49:32,219 --> 00:49:33,762
-You saw?
-It was interesting.
1028
00:49:33,845 --> 00:49:35,681
I think she's disgusting, bro.
1029
00:49:36,932 --> 00:49:40,602
I think she's absolutely repulsive
as a person.
1030
00:49:40,686 --> 00:49:43,397
-So, why get her on the stream then?
-Clout.
1031
00:49:44,064 --> 00:49:46,566
-Chasing her clout?
-Yeah.
1032
00:49:46,650 --> 00:49:48,527
Views, which it did. And--
1033
00:49:48,610 --> 00:49:51,488
You've got 500,000 people
on your Telegram, right?
1034
00:49:51,571 --> 00:49:54,574
-Yeah.
-You're advertising OnlyFans girls there.
1035
00:49:54,658 --> 00:49:55,492
Yeah.
1036
00:49:55,575 --> 00:49:57,661
Do you think
there's a contradiction there?
1037
00:49:57,744 --> 00:49:59,413
No, because I openly say
1038
00:49:59,496 --> 00:50:01,832
I don't give a fuck,
and I'm doing it for money.
1039
00:50:01,915 --> 00:50:03,375
I don't care about…
1040
00:50:04,126 --> 00:50:05,335
The morality of it?
1041
00:50:05,419 --> 00:50:07,045
I know it's not good.
1042
00:50:07,129 --> 00:50:12,092
I… I say to people, "Don't watch porn.
It's sad. It's loser shit."
1043
00:50:12,175 --> 00:50:15,303
You can't say, "I promote it,
but I discourage people from doing it."
1044
00:50:15,387 --> 00:50:16,430
But you can, because--
1045
00:50:16,513 --> 00:50:19,141
-You can say it. It doesn't mean anything.
-How does it not?
1046
00:50:19,224 --> 00:50:22,477
It's a bit like saying, "Come to the gym.
I'm gonna help you work out,"
1047
00:50:22,561 --> 00:50:25,105
and you come in the front door,
and there's a row of donuts.
1048
00:50:25,188 --> 00:50:28,692
Here's a box of donuts
that I'm holding up to your face.
1049
00:50:28,775 --> 00:50:31,069
"If you eat that, you're a loser,
but I'm gonna work out."
1050
00:50:31,153 --> 00:50:33,030
It's like, "I'm getting a mixed message."
1051
00:50:33,113 --> 00:50:35,532
Mm. You do what you choose.
1052
00:50:35,615 --> 00:50:37,617
If you wanna go and eat the donuts,
eat the donuts,
1053
00:50:37,701 --> 00:50:39,286
but I own the donut shop.
1054
00:50:39,786 --> 00:50:42,748
So whether you come in the gym
and pay for my PT or eat the donuts,
1055
00:50:42,831 --> 00:50:44,332
I make dough either way.
1056
00:50:44,416 --> 00:50:47,419
My kids are gonna be
very, very happy, very fulfilled.
1057
00:50:47,502 --> 00:50:48,920
They can do what they want.
1058
00:50:49,004 --> 00:50:51,214
You sound a bit like Bonnie Blue.
1059
00:50:51,298 --> 00:50:52,382
In what way?
1060
00:50:52,466 --> 00:50:54,551
You're saying,
"It doesn't matter what choices I make."
1061
00:50:54,634 --> 00:50:58,055
"I'm making money, and my kids will enjoy
a high standard of living."
1062
00:50:58,138 --> 00:50:59,806
-"My choices are irrelevant."
-Not at all.
1063
00:50:59,890 --> 00:51:04,895
What? Me posting a picture with girls is
the same as getting shagged by 1,000 guys?
1064
00:51:04,978 --> 00:51:07,189
-It's rationalizing.
-Don't compare me to Bonnie.
1065
00:51:07,272 --> 00:51:08,315
It's rationalizing.
1066
00:51:08,398 --> 00:51:10,817
-Are you getting triggered?
-I'm not getting triggered.
1067
00:51:10,901 --> 00:51:12,819
I don't know why
you're talking shit, mate.
1068
00:51:12,903 --> 00:51:16,198
Why not try and be a good person?
1069
00:51:18,325 --> 00:51:20,660
-In what respect? What do you mean?
-Just uplift people.
1070
00:51:20,744 --> 00:51:22,871
Don't pander to their worst impulses.
1071
00:51:22,954 --> 00:51:26,166
Actually encourage them
to do the right… make the right choices.
1072
00:51:27,084 --> 00:51:28,710
That's a good question.
1073
00:51:28,794 --> 00:51:31,630
If I'd just done good things,
1074
00:51:31,713 --> 00:51:35,342
I would never have really blown up
on social media in the first place,
1075
00:51:35,425 --> 00:51:40,430
because me live streaming,
chatting up birds, whatever,
1076
00:51:41,223 --> 00:51:43,183
some of them birds don't wanna be
on the internet.
1077
00:51:43,266 --> 00:51:46,686
So if I was just thinking,
"Right, I don't wanna upset anyone."
1078
00:51:46,770 --> 00:51:48,730
"I don't wanna do anything
that's duh-duh-duh,"
1079
00:51:48,814 --> 00:51:50,357
I wouldn't have been where I'm at now.
1080
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,026
And I'm not living for other people.
I'm living for myself.
1081
00:51:57,197 --> 00:51:59,783
With his troublingly
self-centered worldview
1082
00:51:59,866 --> 00:52:01,785
and the contradictions it entailed,
1083
00:52:01,868 --> 00:52:05,038
HS's latest project was House of Heat,
1084
00:52:05,122 --> 00:52:06,998
an OnlyFans content house,
1085
00:52:07,082 --> 00:52:10,669
where X-rated creators
were living together and cross-promoting.
1086
00:52:11,169 --> 00:52:14,214
He was helping publicize their accounts
on his channels
1087
00:52:14,297 --> 00:52:16,258
while taking a cut of any income.
1088
00:52:21,763 --> 00:52:23,265
-HSTikkyTokky!
-Come on, bro.
1089
00:52:23,348 --> 00:52:26,143
-Come on, bro. My G.
-Nice to meet you, man.
1090
00:52:26,226 --> 00:52:28,603
At a beach club by the Marbella port,
1091
00:52:28,687 --> 00:52:31,773
HS introduced me
to one of the House of Heat models.
1092
00:52:31,857 --> 00:52:34,526
Louis, meet Ellie Nutts.
1093
00:52:35,068 --> 00:52:36,736
-Hi, Ellie.
-Hi, nice to meet you.
1094
00:52:36,820 --> 00:52:40,198
She'd come up on TikTok
as the Sexy Plasterer
1095
00:52:40,282 --> 00:52:42,784
with nearly 200,000 followers,
1096
00:52:42,868 --> 00:52:45,412
then leveraged it
into an OnlyFans account.
1097
00:52:47,497 --> 00:52:50,500
Everyone double-tap the screen up.
This is the new account. Get it moving.
1098
00:52:51,084 --> 00:52:53,128
Everyone spam this fucking live up.
1099
00:52:53,211 --> 00:52:56,548
Right now, we got Louis out here
for the second time.
1100
00:52:57,048 --> 00:52:59,885
-'Cause he enjoyed the first time so much.
-I'm not content.
1101
00:52:59,968 --> 00:53:02,929
-He's back out here with the crew.
-I'm behind the scenes.
1102
00:53:03,930 --> 00:53:05,348
He is content.
1103
00:53:05,432 --> 00:53:06,641
What about Ellie?
1104
00:53:06,725 --> 00:53:09,144
I'm not forgetting Ellie.
Everyone knows about Ellie, mate.
1105
00:53:09,227 --> 00:53:11,646
-Don't worry, Louis.
-Hey, guys.
1106
00:53:11,730 --> 00:53:14,357
-Were you part of House of Heat?
-Yeah.
1107
00:53:14,441 --> 00:53:16,651
One of the main people.
Was it five of you?
1108
00:53:16,735 --> 00:53:18,528
How many will there be?
1109
00:53:18,612 --> 00:53:20,614
Well, I don't know.
I reckon there's about…
1110
00:53:20,697 --> 00:53:24,159
-Me, Ellie, Lilly--
-Probably 15. Probably 15.
1111
00:53:24,242 --> 00:53:26,828
How well would you say you know HS?
1112
00:53:27,871 --> 00:53:28,830
Pretty well.
1113
00:53:28,914 --> 00:53:30,540
How would you describe him?
1114
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:34,711
He's a genuine guy. He's funny.
1115
00:53:34,794 --> 00:53:40,425
Would it disappoint you if you found out
that HS was very judgmental of OnlyFans
1116
00:53:40,508 --> 00:53:42,594
and thought it was actually disgusting?
1117
00:53:42,677 --> 00:53:44,095
Not really.
1118
00:53:44,596 --> 00:53:46,681
No. I don't care
for other people's opinion
1119
00:53:46,765 --> 00:53:48,808
on what I'm doing for myself.
1120
00:53:48,892 --> 00:53:50,602
I'm comfortable in my decisions.
1121
00:53:50,685 --> 00:53:54,606
LD commented saying, "Louis Theroux
is getting slops off the blonde."
1122
00:53:54,689 --> 00:53:56,566
No.
1123
00:53:59,027 --> 00:54:01,571
Double-tap this screen up right now.
1124
00:54:01,655 --> 00:54:03,531
Male audience. What can you expect?
1125
00:54:03,615 --> 00:54:05,909
-It's not surprising, is it?
-No.
1126
00:54:05,992 --> 00:54:11,039
I'm just saying what the chat are saying.
I've got to be entertaining the chat.
1127
00:54:13,917 --> 00:54:17,462
Since I'd last seen him,
HS had been livestreaming more,
1128
00:54:17,545 --> 00:54:19,047
up to seven hours a day,
1129
00:54:19,130 --> 00:54:23,051
getting paid around ÂŁ300 an hour
if the audience was big enough,
1130
00:54:23,134 --> 00:54:26,263
with the pressure always on
to keep them engaged.
1131
00:54:27,722 --> 00:54:29,557
Let's fucking start the stream.
1132
00:54:30,308 --> 00:54:33,561
Even so,
what happened next was unexpected.
1133
00:54:33,645 --> 00:54:37,649
So, HS and his team
have suddenly pulled off.
1134
00:54:37,732 --> 00:54:40,652
All right, boys, this right here
is gonna be fucking interesting.
1135
00:54:40,735 --> 00:54:43,738
So, he's gonna pull up
on this roundabout here.
1136
00:54:43,822 --> 00:54:44,698
Show 'em.
1137
00:54:44,781 --> 00:54:48,076
One of HS's minions claimed
to have set up a date online
1138
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:52,539
with an older man with the aim
of humiliating him live on stream.
1139
00:54:53,123 --> 00:54:55,792
I stepped away
and watched from a distance.
1140
00:54:56,835 --> 00:54:59,546
"W" in the chat
if we should go and punch him up.
1141
00:55:00,297 --> 00:55:02,132
They all want him to get punched up.
1142
00:55:05,010 --> 00:55:06,970
Cheers, man.
1143
00:55:07,053 --> 00:55:09,597
-A man arrived…
-My name's Harrison.
1144
00:55:09,681 --> 00:55:11,516
Excuse me, my friend.
1145
00:55:12,017 --> 00:55:14,894
…then sensing something was up,
tried to leave
1146
00:55:14,978 --> 00:55:18,982
as HS's hangers-on kicked him
and rained punches down on his head.
1147
00:55:19,065 --> 00:55:22,360
Enough! Enough!
1148
00:55:22,444 --> 00:55:23,445
Fuck!
1149
00:55:24,821 --> 00:55:26,865
They accused him of being a predator.
1150
00:55:26,948 --> 00:55:29,701
I had no way of knowing
if this could be true.
1151
00:55:30,201 --> 00:55:32,120
Eventually, he got away.
1152
00:55:32,203 --> 00:55:37,876
Oi, that was so funny! Oh, he got slapped.
He got slapped.
1153
00:55:37,959 --> 00:55:40,754
All right, don't film me.
Walk the other way from me.
1154
00:55:40,837 --> 00:55:42,380
Walk the other way from me, bruv.
1155
00:55:42,464 --> 00:55:44,049
Can we go over there now?
1156
00:55:44,132 --> 00:55:46,551
"You're off to jail, mate."
I didn't touch him.
1157
00:55:47,927 --> 00:55:50,305
That did not go to plan at all.
1158
00:55:50,388 --> 00:55:52,349
-It looked like an assault.
-Yeah.
1159
00:55:52,432 --> 00:55:53,808
Was that not the plan?
1160
00:55:53,892 --> 00:55:56,061
Of course not.
I've never done that in my life.
1161
00:55:56,144 --> 00:55:58,855
You can't just do that to a random person.
1162
00:55:58,938 --> 00:56:02,442
The plan's to, like, have them there,
call the police. Get 'em nicked.
1163
00:56:02,525 --> 00:56:03,610
It was horrible.
1164
00:56:03,693 --> 00:56:06,363
It was like watching a mob.
Like a mob attack.
1165
00:56:06,446 --> 00:56:10,033
You don't get to beat someone up.
That's not law and order, is it?
1166
00:56:10,116 --> 00:56:11,951
How did it do on the stream?
1167
00:56:12,535 --> 00:56:15,872
Few thousand watching. 4.5K total.
1168
00:56:15,955 --> 00:56:18,958
So, what will happen?
Will that sit up there, though?
1169
00:56:19,042 --> 00:56:20,043
No. I deleted it.
1170
00:56:20,126 --> 00:56:22,921
-Already?
-Yeah. I didn't want that on the internet.
1171
00:56:23,797 --> 00:56:26,174
Excuse me, my friend. Wait here a second.
1172
00:56:26,257 --> 00:56:28,301
Despite what he'd told me, within seconds,
1173
00:56:28,385 --> 00:56:31,846
HS's online team
had clipped up short snippets,
1174
00:56:33,014 --> 00:56:35,141
flooding them onto Instagram and TikTok,
1175
00:56:35,225 --> 00:56:38,853
emblazoned with the logo
of an online gambling company.
1176
00:56:39,396 --> 00:56:42,399
All right, so we got Theroux and them
right now coming to link us…
1177
00:56:42,482 --> 00:56:44,150
That night, the stream continued
1178
00:56:44,234 --> 00:56:47,487
with HS dropping game
to random strangers at the port.
1179
00:56:47,570 --> 00:56:50,073
Okay, listen. You're both very pretty.
Give me your Instagram.
1180
00:56:50,156 --> 00:56:51,533
-We'll do something.
-Okay.
1181
00:56:51,616 --> 00:56:53,535
See you later, you German tarts.
1182
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,413
But I was still thinking
about the ugliness
1183
00:56:56,496 --> 00:56:58,415
of the so-called predator sting.
1184
00:56:59,582 --> 00:57:00,625
As the evening wore on,
1185
00:57:00,708 --> 00:57:05,255
I became aware of myself being pulled in
and farmed for content.
1186
00:57:05,338 --> 00:57:08,633
All right, should I stick it on Louis?
1187
00:57:08,716 --> 00:57:10,885
There's some fuck shit I could say to him.
1188
00:57:10,969 --> 00:57:12,595
All right, look, watch this, boys.
1189
00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:14,931
-You got anything to say to the live?
-Not really.
1190
00:57:15,014 --> 00:57:17,434
Someone's saying you're good friends
with Jimmy Savile.
1191
00:57:17,517 --> 00:57:19,978
-What have you got to say for yourself?
-Jimmy Savile.
1192
00:57:20,061 --> 00:57:22,272
Well, I helped to expose him
while he was alive.
1193
00:57:22,355 --> 00:57:23,356
Mm.
1194
00:57:23,857 --> 00:57:26,901
-They're saying you're friends.
-He's dead. I can't be friends with him.
1195
00:57:26,985 --> 00:57:28,319
You used to have freak-offs.
1196
00:57:28,403 --> 00:57:30,572
Anyway, on that note,
let's keep it steppin'.
1197
00:57:30,655 --> 00:57:33,950
It's time. HS vs Mr. Bean punch bag.
1198
00:57:41,624 --> 00:57:44,836
That's okay. 921. 922.
1199
00:57:44,919 --> 00:57:47,005
-Three!
-Theroux, hit one.
1200
00:57:47,088 --> 00:57:50,675
Gay! Gay!
1201
00:57:51,926 --> 00:57:53,261
What the fuck?
1202
00:57:53,344 --> 00:57:55,430
Hey, Theroux, is that how you'd punch
1203
00:57:55,513 --> 00:57:59,184
if someone was coming into your house
about to attack you and your family?
1204
00:57:59,267 --> 00:58:01,769
Someone clip that
when I was chatting to Louis earlier.
1205
00:58:01,853 --> 00:58:06,774
He really don't wanna be in the live.
He don't wanna be, uh, on the content.
1206
00:58:07,525 --> 00:58:08,985
But he's got no choice.
1207
00:58:11,321 --> 00:58:13,698
The Marbella trip felt like an education
1208
00:58:13,781 --> 00:58:16,326
in how the hamster wheel
of content creation
1209
00:58:16,409 --> 00:58:18,870
was incentivizing extreme behavior.
1210
00:58:18,953 --> 00:58:22,040
-Have you anything to say to the live?
-Not really, no.
1211
00:58:22,123 --> 00:58:23,416
Over subsequent days,
1212
00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:27,337
clippers paid by HS
and orchestrated by him in a group chat,
1213
00:58:27,420 --> 00:58:29,464
pushed out clips from the livestream.
1214
00:58:29,547 --> 00:58:31,966
Someone's saying
you're good friends with Jimmy Savile.
1215
00:58:32,050 --> 00:58:33,510
What have you got to say?
1216
00:58:33,593 --> 00:58:38,097
They were then shared across TikTok
and Instagram. Several went viral.
1217
00:58:38,181 --> 00:58:42,143
Gay! What the fuck?
1218
00:58:45,605 --> 00:58:47,774
Egged on by the comments making fun of him
1219
00:58:47,857 --> 00:58:51,945
and his decision to be in my film,
HS seemed to spiral.
1220
00:58:52,028 --> 00:58:56,282
Like, if you want to call me a… a… a pimp,
1221
00:58:56,366 --> 00:59:01,412
scammer, racist, homophobic dickhead,
1222
00:59:02,038 --> 00:59:04,457
I'm all of those.
I'm all of those, Theroux.
1223
00:59:04,541 --> 00:59:08,920
And what? What are you gonna do about it,
pussy hoe? Nothing.
1224
00:59:09,003 --> 00:59:11,297
He came across to me like a fighter,
1225
00:59:11,381 --> 00:59:13,883
talking himself up before a big bout.
1226
00:59:13,967 --> 00:59:15,552
I do not give a fuck.
1227
00:59:16,844 --> 00:59:21,349
We turn now to growing concerns around
the proliferation of misogyny online.
1228
00:59:21,432 --> 00:59:26,312
Teachers are sounding the alarm over
a resurgence of male supremacy in schools.
1229
00:59:26,396 --> 00:59:27,939
There's a number of examples
1230
00:59:28,022 --> 00:59:29,274
of manosphere culture
1231
00:59:29,357 --> 00:59:32,235
affecting interactions
between boys and girls.
1232
00:59:33,236 --> 00:59:35,780
Much has been said
about the effect of streamers
1233
00:59:35,863 --> 00:59:37,532
on their young fans.
1234
00:59:38,032 --> 00:59:41,035
It is this idea
that there's only one way to be a man,
1235
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:44,956
and that involves oppressing women,
the right to their bodies.
1236
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,543
But in my time in the manosphere,
I'd become curious
1237
00:59:48,626 --> 00:59:52,797
about how the streamers grew up
and what they shared from their childhood.
1238
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,841
My dad beat the fuck out of me.
1239
00:59:54,924 --> 00:59:58,720
I became very realistic of the world
with one ass-kicking.
1240
00:59:58,803 --> 01:00:01,806
All it takes is one good ass-kicking.
You learn a lot.
1241
01:00:05,852 --> 01:00:09,063
It was striking
how many were raised without dads.
1242
01:00:09,606 --> 01:00:13,401
HS, the anti-feminist,
had told me how his mum, Elaine,
1243
01:00:13,484 --> 01:00:16,112
had worked six-day weeks,
late into the evening
1244
01:00:16,195 --> 01:00:18,615
to put him through private school.
1245
01:00:18,698 --> 01:00:22,535
It was clear from photos shared online
how devoted Elaine had always been.
1246
01:00:23,328 --> 01:00:26,414
How HS had felt at the time
was hard to know.
1247
01:00:27,081 --> 01:00:29,751
His dad,
an England international rugby player,
1248
01:00:29,834 --> 01:00:31,419
was not in the picture.
1249
01:00:32,253 --> 01:00:35,340
I'm a little bit anxious to go see him.
I can't lie. Like…
1250
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,718
It's a bit…
I ain't seen him in so fucking long.
1251
01:00:38,801 --> 01:00:41,554
HS posted content online about it.
1252
01:00:42,055 --> 01:00:43,431
-Very nice. Hello.
-Hello.
1253
01:00:43,514 --> 01:00:45,391
You weren't there for years.
1254
01:00:45,475 --> 01:00:47,685
You didn't reply for ten years.
1255
01:00:47,769 --> 01:00:50,688
I don't agree with what he did.
Don't… don't get it twisted.
1256
01:00:50,772 --> 01:00:53,149
-But no hard feelings.
-Mm-hmm.
1257
01:00:53,232 --> 01:00:55,568
We'd talked about it
when we'd been together.
1258
01:00:55,652 --> 01:00:59,280
If there is any trauma there,
what I will say is, it's subconscious.
1259
01:00:59,364 --> 01:01:01,157
It's not something that I'm aware of.
1260
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,534
-Really?
-Yeah, definitely. Definitely.
1261
01:01:13,795 --> 01:01:15,463
Across the board, I had the sense
1262
01:01:15,546 --> 01:01:18,549
that influencers
still carrying the wounds of childhood,
1263
01:01:18,633 --> 01:01:21,803
who'd had to learn brutal strategies
of self-reliance,
1264
01:01:21,886 --> 01:01:24,847
were projecting their trauma
onto the wider world.
1265
01:01:25,348 --> 01:01:28,726
There was certainly,
um, a broken home going on.
1266
01:01:28,810 --> 01:01:32,605
There was violence going on.
There was violence with the mom.
1267
01:01:34,065 --> 01:01:35,483
Justin was another.
1268
01:01:35,566 --> 01:01:39,612
His accounts of being raised by a mother
who he characterized as chaotic
1269
01:01:39,696 --> 01:01:42,573
were a well-established part
of his origin story.
1270
01:01:43,157 --> 01:01:45,743
-What kind of house did you grow up in?
-It was like this.
1271
01:01:45,827 --> 01:01:47,620
-Was it?
-I used to play in this neighborhood.
1272
01:01:47,704 --> 01:01:48,996
-Did you?
-Yeah.
1273
01:01:49,914 --> 01:01:52,959
I… I've read online,
and I've seen you talk about
1274
01:01:53,042 --> 01:01:56,462
how you had not the best upbringing
in some respects, right?
1275
01:01:56,546 --> 01:01:57,547
Yes, sir.
1276
01:01:57,630 --> 01:02:00,550
We were very close
to being put in a foster home.
1277
01:02:00,633 --> 01:02:02,760
I mean, there was a lot of violence.
1278
01:02:02,844 --> 01:02:07,098
My mom, she would just come in sometimes
and just start punching him.
1279
01:02:07,181 --> 01:02:08,725
It was true rage.
1280
01:02:09,308 --> 01:02:11,769
We're actually not far
from where she burned those houses down.
1281
01:02:12,353 --> 01:02:13,896
How do you mean she burned houses down?
1282
01:02:13,980 --> 01:02:16,899
So, we had two house fires
when I was a kid, in eighth grade.
1283
01:02:16,983 --> 01:02:18,651
-Uh…
-What was her motive?
1284
01:02:19,152 --> 01:02:21,112
Insurance money
so we could build a new one.
1285
01:02:21,195 --> 01:02:22,196
-Really?
-Yeah.
1286
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,198
-Did she admit to doing that?
-No.
1287
01:02:24,282 --> 01:02:25,366
So, she denies that?
1288
01:02:25,450 --> 01:02:28,327
I've never heard my mother say "I'm sorry"
in my life. Ever.
1289
01:02:28,411 --> 01:02:31,289
I've never heard my mother say
she was wrong.
1290
01:02:32,665 --> 01:02:35,251
Justin's mother denies all of this.
1291
01:02:35,334 --> 01:02:39,130
In my research, I couldn't find
any charges or claims against her.
1292
01:02:40,506 --> 01:02:43,968
But there was no question
there was massive instability in the home,
1293
01:02:44,051 --> 01:02:47,180
with Justin's dad prevented
from seeing the children.
1294
01:02:49,432 --> 01:02:50,433
I'd started to wonder
1295
01:02:50,516 --> 01:02:55,480
whether an insecure upbringing had created
a distrust of traditional family life.
1296
01:02:56,689 --> 01:03:00,735
He'd told me several times about
his one-way monogamous relationship.
1297
01:03:00,818 --> 01:03:02,987
It seemed possible it was related.
1298
01:03:05,406 --> 01:03:09,577
-Hi. I'm Louis. How do you do?
-Hi. Nice to meet you. Good. Kristen.
1299
01:03:09,660 --> 01:03:11,162
Kristen. Thanks for having us.
1300
01:03:11,245 --> 01:03:14,540
He'd recently moved back to Baton Rouge
with his family.
1301
01:03:14,624 --> 01:03:18,628
Previously, he hadn't wanted us to film
with his other half, Kristen,
1302
01:03:18,711 --> 01:03:20,755
but now, he'd changed his mind.
1303
01:03:20,838 --> 01:03:22,423
-Wow.
-Come on in!
1304
01:03:22,507 --> 01:03:23,633
This is amazing.
1305
01:03:23,716 --> 01:03:28,346
She is a former X-ray technician,
a mother of two with another on the way.
1306
01:03:28,429 --> 01:03:29,972
-Like being in a castle.
-Yeah.
1307
01:03:30,890 --> 01:03:33,893
Uh, would you be happy
to take us around a little bit?
1308
01:03:33,976 --> 01:03:35,520
This is the gym.
1309
01:03:36,729 --> 01:03:39,148
-She'd be right there.
-Eva, show them how you swing.
1310
01:03:39,899 --> 01:03:41,400
She has her own Lambo.
1311
01:03:42,735 --> 01:03:46,447
This is the girls' room.
That's where bath time is every night.
1312
01:03:46,531 --> 01:03:48,658
Do you do the bath,
Justin, or is that more…
1313
01:03:48,741 --> 01:03:51,118
I don't do baths,
or diapers, or anything like that.
1314
01:03:51,702 --> 01:03:54,747
I like to tell people we have lanes.
1315
01:03:55,248 --> 01:03:58,668
My lane is changing diapers,
cooking, and cleaning,
1316
01:03:58,751 --> 01:04:02,296
and his lane is working and providing.
1317
01:04:02,380 --> 01:04:04,924
We don't cross into each other's lane.
1318
01:04:05,007 --> 01:04:06,384
It works for us.
1319
01:04:07,969 --> 01:04:11,013
One of the things that came up early on
in conversation with Justin
1320
01:04:11,097 --> 01:04:13,391
was this idea of one-way monogamy.
1321
01:04:13,474 --> 01:04:17,186
My previous relationship
that I was in before him,
1322
01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:19,063
I was lied to a lot.
1323
01:04:19,146 --> 01:04:23,526
And so my biggest thing with him was like,
honestly, I can take the truth.
1324
01:04:24,402 --> 01:04:29,866
I was very open to it, for, like,
him and I to do it kind of together.
1325
01:04:29,949 --> 01:04:32,410
-Mm-hmm. In bedroom scenarios?
-Yeah.
1326
01:04:32,493 --> 01:04:33,828
-Mm-hmm.
-Yeah.
1327
01:04:33,911 --> 01:04:38,332
Look, if I take a girl on a date,
one of the questions by the…
1328
01:04:38,416 --> 01:04:42,461
If it doesn't happen on the first one,
it will happen on the second one.
1329
01:04:42,962 --> 01:04:46,674
"So, I heard you have a wife."
"Yeah, what about it? She's hot."
1330
01:04:46,757 --> 01:04:49,594
And then, boom, I'll show her
a picture of Kristen immediately
1331
01:04:49,677 --> 01:04:51,596
and go straight for the threesome.
1332
01:04:51,679 --> 01:04:54,765
I don't give a fuck.
I'm not about to placate some girl.
1333
01:04:54,849 --> 01:04:57,184
-Slightly aggressive.
-No, I'm just telling you.
1334
01:04:57,268 --> 01:04:59,270
-I don't think he's that aggressive.
-What about it?
1335
01:04:59,353 --> 01:05:01,480
-What about it? Like, what's up?
-What about it?
1336
01:05:01,564 --> 01:05:04,609
Do you have arranged nights
1337
01:05:04,692 --> 01:05:07,111
where you know Justin with…
is with someone else?
1338
01:05:07,194 --> 01:05:08,029
No.
1339
01:05:08,112 --> 01:05:10,740
-Is it a "don't ask, don't tell" thing?
-Kind of.
1340
01:05:10,823 --> 01:05:12,658
-You don't need to know.
-I don't.
1341
01:05:12,742 --> 01:05:15,703
-You don't want the gory details.
-What do I… And it's not even gory.
1342
01:05:15,786 --> 01:05:17,622
-I don't…
-Sexy?
1343
01:05:17,705 --> 01:05:20,583
I think that most women…
1344
01:05:21,417 --> 01:05:25,963
I could be going out on a limb here.
But I think most women like the idea
1345
01:05:26,047 --> 01:05:30,676
or like to know
that their man is wanted by other women.
1346
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,887
-Are you married, by the way?
-Yeah.
1347
01:05:32,970 --> 01:05:35,848
Not… not… I didn't bring
the state into it.
1348
01:05:35,932 --> 01:05:38,809
Why did you not get married
in the eyes of the state?
1349
01:05:38,893 --> 01:05:41,562
-You think the financial side?
-Yeah.
1350
01:05:41,646 --> 01:05:44,482
That doesn't…
That seems more risky for you, maybe.
1351
01:05:44,982 --> 01:05:49,195
It does seem more risky for me,
but I don't feel like I'm at risk.
1352
01:05:49,278 --> 01:05:52,031
But, Louis, let's say it ended right now.
Let's say it ended tomorrow.
1353
01:05:52,114 --> 01:05:53,741
-What ended? Oh.
-Me and you.
1354
01:05:53,824 --> 01:05:57,370
I would still look at it as successful.
It's some of the best years of my life.
1355
01:05:57,453 --> 01:06:00,957
I have beautiful children,
beautiful memories.
1356
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,543
I'll see comments sometimes like,
"He thinks money is everything,
1357
01:06:04,627 --> 01:06:07,797
but he'll never understand what it's like
to have true happiness in a family
1358
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,633
and have a woman truly love him
for more than his money."
1359
01:06:10,716 --> 01:06:12,051
Bullshit, asshole.
1360
01:06:12,551 --> 01:06:17,974
I have it all. Truly, truly have it all.
I couldn't be more lucky and more blessed.
1361
01:06:22,687 --> 01:06:26,190
In Miami, I'd wondered
how real Justin's wealth was.
1362
01:06:26,273 --> 01:06:28,651
It was clear,
if he wasn't worth $30 million,
1363
01:06:28,734 --> 01:06:30,319
he was far from hard up.
1364
01:06:30,403 --> 01:06:32,863
Come on,
let's go show another room in the house.
1365
01:06:32,947 --> 01:06:34,824
Yeah, Mommy's room!
1366
01:06:34,907 --> 01:06:36,575
But for me, the real question was
1367
01:06:36,659 --> 01:06:39,704
Kristen's true feelings
about the arrangement.
1368
01:06:39,787 --> 01:06:43,833
-Kristen, you were working, weren't you?
-I was. I loved my job.
1369
01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:48,045
But I don't miss having to wake up
at five o'clock in the morning
1370
01:06:48,129 --> 01:06:50,965
and put on scrubs
and go to a hospital and clock in,
1371
01:06:51,048 --> 01:06:54,760
and, like, have to work for somebody else.
1372
01:06:55,344 --> 01:07:02,226
I feel so good in my femininity
because of how masculine Justin is.
1373
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:04,270
Like, I was saying,
the lanes that we're in,
1374
01:07:04,353 --> 01:07:07,273
I just kinda feel like
that's what works for us.
1375
01:07:07,356 --> 01:07:10,026
But I also, to my core,
1376
01:07:10,109 --> 01:07:13,571
believe that, like,
that's… as human beings, like,
1377
01:07:13,654 --> 01:07:17,283
male and female, I just think that
that's how it's supposed to be.
1378
01:07:21,328 --> 01:07:24,373
With their male-centered take
on family life,
1379
01:07:24,457 --> 01:07:28,210
Kristen and Justin
embodied a red-pill dream
1380
01:07:28,294 --> 01:07:31,839
founded on a Darwinian view
of alpha supremacy.
1381
01:07:43,768 --> 01:07:47,063
An ideology that seemed to me
to be rooted in trauma
1382
01:07:47,146 --> 01:07:51,901
was being rolled out as the basis
of far-reaching social renewal…
1383
01:07:52,568 --> 01:07:55,780
Did an election that was supposed
to revolve around women's issues
1384
01:07:55,863 --> 01:07:58,115
actually come down to the plight of men?
1385
01:07:58,199 --> 01:08:01,535
This was
the testosterone podcast election.
1386
01:08:01,619 --> 01:08:04,246
I want to thank the Nelk Boys,
Adin Ross, Theo Von.
1387
01:08:04,330 --> 01:08:07,249
…as manosphere talking points
began to converge
1388
01:08:07,333 --> 01:08:10,336
with the mainstream
of political conversation.
1389
01:08:10,419 --> 01:08:12,379
I'm close to the Trump family.
I know them well,
1390
01:08:12,463 --> 01:08:15,883
and I look forward to, once I am free,
being with Donald Trump in person
1391
01:08:15,966 --> 01:08:18,177
and reminding him
that he's a bulletproof badass.
1392
01:08:22,848 --> 01:08:25,851
Since entering the manosphere,
I'd been trying to get access
1393
01:08:25,935 --> 01:08:29,522
to one of the handful of men
at the very forefront of this evolution.
1394
01:08:29,605 --> 01:08:30,856
They are trying to make you gay.
1395
01:08:41,992 --> 01:08:45,913
One of the most popular
and notorious goes by the name Sneako.
1396
01:08:45,996 --> 01:08:47,206
Hey, that's me.
1397
01:08:47,289 --> 01:08:49,625
Real name, Nicolas Balinthazy.
1398
01:08:49,708 --> 01:08:51,919
We should not let women vote. I'm sorry.
1399
01:08:52,002 --> 01:08:54,672
He, more than anyone,
embodies the red pill's impact
1400
01:08:54,755 --> 01:08:56,924
and its political awakening.
1401
01:08:57,007 --> 01:09:00,344
It took about ten years, but the people
that follow their gut instincts
1402
01:09:00,427 --> 01:09:02,638
are now at the forefront of truth.
1403
01:09:02,721 --> 01:09:04,807
I have my good friends here on the show.
1404
01:09:04,890 --> 01:09:07,351
A friend of the Tates and Myron…
1405
01:09:07,434 --> 01:09:09,353
We're here, and we're not going anywhere.
1406
01:09:09,436 --> 01:09:12,565
…he was at Trump's inauguration
and celebratory ball
1407
01:09:12,648 --> 01:09:14,733
and claims Barron watches his content.
1408
01:09:14,817 --> 01:09:18,612
-We will make America great again.
-Yeah!
1409
01:09:18,696 --> 01:09:20,948
He's been banned from all major platforms
1410
01:09:21,031 --> 01:09:23,033
for hate speech and misinformation.
1411
01:09:23,117 --> 01:09:28,164
Bop! Shut the fuck up, bitch.
Just one and done. Cry, over.
1412
01:09:28,247 --> 01:09:29,707
Back in the kitchen!
1413
01:09:29,790 --> 01:09:33,127
But still, his clips go viral,
with views in the billions.
1414
01:09:33,711 --> 01:09:35,588
Holy shit, everyone. It's me. I'm here.
1415
01:09:38,382 --> 01:09:39,633
He lives in New York.
1416
01:09:40,259 --> 01:09:43,596
He turns down
most mainstream media requests.
1417
01:09:44,471 --> 01:09:46,974
To my surprise, he agreed to meet me.
1418
01:09:47,975 --> 01:09:49,059
Hey.
1419
01:09:49,143 --> 01:09:51,562
-Hey. How are you?
-Hello. We just got here.
1420
01:09:51,645 --> 01:09:52,646
-Louis.
-Hi. Come in.
1421
01:09:52,730 --> 01:09:55,107
-How are you doing? Shoes off.
-Good.
1422
01:09:56,275 --> 01:09:58,944
-This is your place?
-Uh, yeah, one of 'em.
1423
01:09:59,612 --> 01:10:02,615
-So, I'm working on this video today.
-Wow.
1424
01:10:02,698 --> 01:10:06,076
I literally just came from a protest.
They were protesting Elon Musk
1425
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:07,328
and calling Trump a fascist.
1426
01:10:07,411 --> 01:10:08,662
That was right at City Hall.
1427
01:10:08,746 --> 01:10:11,749
-You talk to people down there?
-I do. But everyone there knows me.
1428
01:10:11,832 --> 01:10:13,375
So I have this… This is what I do.
1429
01:10:13,459 --> 01:10:15,794
For something like that,
I don't go with security.
1430
01:10:15,878 --> 01:10:18,088
This is what I do. I just put this on.
1431
01:10:18,172 --> 01:10:19,673
And then I'm undercover.
1432
01:10:19,757 --> 01:10:23,010
I swear to you, if I went like this,
it would've been hectic.
1433
01:10:23,093 --> 01:10:26,972
How would you position yourself
politically, culturally at the moment?
1434
01:10:27,056 --> 01:10:29,308
I'm a huge Trump supporter.
I have this stuff everywhere.
1435
01:10:29,391 --> 01:10:30,976
I just came back from the inauguration.
1436
01:10:31,060 --> 01:10:33,145
I've been a Trump supporter since 2015.
1437
01:10:33,687 --> 01:10:37,107
It sounds like… Are you even
in the manosphere? Not really.
1438
01:10:37,191 --> 01:10:38,943
I guess so. I am.
1439
01:10:39,026 --> 01:10:42,488
I mean, I think that, uh…
that kind of graduated.
1440
01:10:42,571 --> 01:10:45,241
A lot of people that were in that space
are now in politics.
1441
01:10:45,324 --> 01:10:48,744
And everybody in the "manosphere" is just…
They're… people online
1442
01:10:48,827 --> 01:10:52,581
who are trying to make a buck,
you know, selling ideologies.
1443
01:10:52,665 --> 01:10:54,708
People have heard
all the talking points already.
1444
01:10:54,792 --> 01:10:56,961
I think the world got really crazy
for a long time.
1445
01:10:57,044 --> 01:10:59,296
But I think we're reaching
a little more of a balance
1446
01:10:59,380 --> 01:11:01,674
in terms of, uh,
what's truthful and what's not.
1447
01:11:01,757 --> 01:11:04,677
Even the gender ideology got super crazy
the past couple years.
1448
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:08,514
Now seeing that there's laws, like,
"Okay, actually, no, there's two."
1449
01:11:08,597 --> 01:11:09,932
"There are only two genders."
1450
01:11:10,015 --> 01:11:12,768
Simple stuff like that,
I think, was really important.
1451
01:11:12,851 --> 01:11:15,020
And I think I deserve…
Me, Fresh&Fit, the Tates,
1452
01:11:15,104 --> 01:11:18,732
I think we deserve a lot of credit
in re-instilling that.
1453
01:11:21,485 --> 01:11:23,821
We should get out there
before it gets too dark.
1454
01:11:23,904 --> 01:11:25,197
Okay, you wanna go?
1455
01:11:27,700 --> 01:11:32,538
My streams became rage bait,
became clips, became angriness.
1456
01:11:32,621 --> 01:11:35,499
And it was going viral,
but it wasn't making people happy.
1457
01:11:35,582 --> 01:11:39,086
Sneako is now putting out
daily short films on X,
1458
01:11:39,169 --> 01:11:41,839
one of the few platforms
he wasn't banned on.
1459
01:11:41,922 --> 01:11:43,048
-Can I get a picture?
-Sure.
1460
01:11:44,174 --> 01:11:48,178
But the flavor of his content
had changed since he converted to Islam.
1461
01:11:50,931 --> 01:11:54,435
His gender politics now came
in spiritual packaging.
1462
01:11:55,936 --> 01:11:56,937
Look at this.
1463
01:11:57,604 --> 01:12:00,190
You know, there's a hadith in Islam
where it says,
1464
01:12:00,274 --> 01:12:03,569
"In the end times, women will dress
as if they're clothed but be fully naked."
1465
01:12:03,652 --> 01:12:06,071
And so, you can see this is the way
that women dress now.
1466
01:12:06,155 --> 01:12:08,490
The… the little skirts
in the advertisements.
1467
01:12:08,574 --> 01:12:11,994
It's… it's everywhere.
Your brain gets tuned into this.
1468
01:12:12,077 --> 01:12:14,079
Yo!
1469
01:12:14,163 --> 01:12:15,831
-Hey, what up?
-Oh my God.
1470
01:12:15,914 --> 01:12:16,915
What's poppin'?
1471
01:12:17,541 --> 01:12:19,335
-What up? What up?
-Yo!
1472
01:12:19,418 --> 01:12:20,878
-What's going on?
-Sneako!
1473
01:12:20,961 --> 01:12:22,921
Watch out. Watch out.
1474
01:12:23,005 --> 01:12:25,966
Oh my God.
1475
01:12:26,717 --> 01:12:28,635
Can we get a picture?
1476
01:12:28,719 --> 01:12:30,471
Let's get a big group one.
1477
01:12:30,554 --> 01:12:32,848
-They're shooting a documentary now.
-Dead-ass?
1478
01:12:32,931 --> 01:12:35,517
-Yeah. I think they don't like me.
-Holy shit.
1479
01:12:36,769 --> 01:12:38,979
-This is mad funny.
-Yeah, yeah.
1480
01:12:39,063 --> 01:12:40,647
Tell me about Sneako.
1481
01:12:40,731 --> 01:12:42,858
People heard the wrong things.
1482
01:12:42,941 --> 01:12:46,487
And, I think, generally,
he's not that bad of a person, but…
1483
01:12:46,570 --> 01:12:49,114
-My guy.
-You know, I heard him out.
1484
01:12:49,198 --> 01:12:50,908
-Appreciate that.
-We're in the road.
1485
01:12:50,991 --> 01:12:53,786
-No one said he did anything wrong.
-People online. People who…
1486
01:12:53,869 --> 01:12:56,747
-What's the perception online?
-People think he's controversial.
1487
01:12:56,830 --> 01:12:58,832
-It's usually about gender.
-Yeah.
1488
01:12:58,916 --> 01:13:01,126
I feel like it's controven--
1489
01:13:01,210 --> 01:13:04,421
-And… and… the Jews. The Jews.
-I love Jews.
1490
01:13:04,505 --> 01:13:07,841
Yeah, nah, some people are saying
he, like… he hates them.
1491
01:13:07,925 --> 01:13:09,134
Nah, nah, that's not true.
1492
01:13:09,218 --> 01:13:12,429
-Where have you seen his content?
-TikTok, YouTube, Instagram.
1493
01:13:12,513 --> 01:13:13,639
He's banned.
1494
01:13:13,722 --> 01:13:15,432
On every one of those, I'm banned.
1495
01:13:15,516 --> 01:13:17,976
-But he's on all of them.
-There's clips.
1496
01:13:18,060 --> 01:13:21,146
Be safe out here. Don't get hit by a car.
Appreciate you guys. Man, stay up.
1497
01:13:21,230 --> 01:13:22,314
Stay up.
1498
01:13:22,398 --> 01:13:24,525
-See you, Sneako!
-See you, Sneako!
1499
01:13:26,026 --> 01:13:28,195
Maybe I'll grab a coffee in here
in this deli.
1500
01:13:30,989 --> 01:13:33,158
Can I have a small coffee,
light and sweet?
1501
01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:35,160
Thank you.
1502
01:13:36,078 --> 01:13:38,414
Look at that.
Is that degenerate or artistic?
1503
01:13:38,497 --> 01:13:41,333
You see the one-eye symbolism?
This is satanic symbolism right here.
1504
01:13:41,417 --> 01:13:42,584
-Do you think so?
-Oh, it is.
1505
01:13:42,668 --> 01:13:44,753
When you cover one eye,
this is what Dajjal looks like.
1506
01:13:44,837 --> 01:13:46,547
The Antichrist is gonna show up
with one eye.
1507
01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:48,924
-So when you see celebrities--
-Come on, stop it.
1508
01:13:49,007 --> 01:13:51,009
How many magazine covers
have one-eye symbolism?
1509
01:13:51,093 --> 01:13:52,594
Every celebrity does it. They all do.
1510
01:13:52,678 --> 01:13:55,139
You've only got two eyes.
You can do two, one, or none.
1511
01:13:55,222 --> 01:13:56,807
But why is it every magazine cover
1512
01:13:56,890 --> 01:13:59,726
you see a celebrity doing
this pose exactly, covering one eye?
1513
01:13:59,810 --> 01:14:01,562
-Are you for real?
-I am for real.
1514
01:14:01,645 --> 01:14:03,897
-Who do you think's behind it?
-The Satanists.
1515
01:14:03,981 --> 01:14:05,649
They're pledging allegiance to Satan.
1516
01:14:05,732 --> 01:14:07,484
Do you think Satanists
are running the world?
1517
01:14:07,568 --> 01:14:08,694
Absolutely.
1518
01:14:08,777 --> 01:14:11,238
Do you?
Okay, now we've got something weird.
1519
01:14:11,321 --> 01:14:13,282
-Yeah. You don't think so?
-No.
1520
01:14:13,365 --> 01:14:15,742
A great example is every award show.
1521
01:14:15,826 --> 01:14:19,204
You know Sam Smith? He's a British guy.
He used to look like you.
1522
01:14:19,288 --> 01:14:22,458
Then suddenly, he became extremely fat.
He became transgender.
1523
01:14:22,541 --> 01:14:24,626
Then now his award shows
are not just spreading LGBT.
1524
01:14:24,710 --> 01:14:29,256
He's straight-up worshiping the devil.
It's not even subtle. The music is saying…
1525
01:14:29,339 --> 01:14:30,716
Something unholy
1526
01:14:30,799 --> 01:14:32,342
And then the way he performs it,
1527
01:14:32,426 --> 01:14:35,179
he puts on the devil horns
with 30 devils onstage,
1528
01:14:35,262 --> 01:14:37,931
and they're simulating having gay sex
at the award show.
1529
01:14:38,015 --> 01:14:41,310
Is this just, like, art?
Or is it part of something bigger?
1530
01:14:41,393 --> 01:14:43,479
Are they trying to spread a message
to the populace?
1531
01:14:43,562 --> 01:14:46,148
So you think there's someone
above Sam Smith and his team…
1532
01:14:46,231 --> 01:14:47,566
-Yeah.
-Who's basically--
1533
01:14:47,649 --> 01:14:50,319
Telling him to do that and steering him
in that direction? Absolutely.
1534
01:14:50,402 --> 01:14:51,403
I strongly doubt it.
1535
01:14:51,487 --> 01:14:54,364
The idea that there's a Satanist cabal
who are somehow running--
1536
01:14:54,448 --> 01:14:57,951
There is. And they want to establish
a one-world government.
1537
01:14:58,035 --> 01:14:59,203
And who's in it?
1538
01:14:59,286 --> 01:15:01,246
Who's in the government?
It doesn't really--
1539
01:15:01,330 --> 01:15:03,123
Who's in the Satanist cabal?
1540
01:15:03,207 --> 01:15:05,501
I mean, I don't know.
I think the Rothschilds started it.
1541
01:15:05,584 --> 01:15:07,419
Is it Jewish in character?
1542
01:15:07,503 --> 01:15:08,921
No. No.
1543
01:15:09,004 --> 01:15:10,923
'Cause that does have
some of the hallmarks
1544
01:15:11,006 --> 01:15:13,133
of an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.
1545
01:15:13,217 --> 01:15:17,095
I also think that when you talk about
the world being run by Satanists,
1546
01:15:17,179 --> 01:15:19,056
you've just gone off the deep end.
1547
01:15:19,139 --> 01:15:21,767
The world isn't run by Sam Smith.
1548
01:15:21,850 --> 01:15:24,895
No, but evil people that control him do.
1549
01:15:35,822 --> 01:15:38,408
Sneako had disavowed the red pill
1550
01:15:38,492 --> 01:15:41,078
but leaned further
into conspiracy theories.
1551
01:15:41,662 --> 01:15:42,663
Nice.
1552
01:15:43,372 --> 01:15:47,209
It was part of a pattern
across the world of influencers.
1553
01:15:47,292 --> 01:15:50,295
I mean, let's just look
at the nature of the Jew.
1554
01:15:50,379 --> 01:15:53,340
To push false narratives
about a shadowy cabal
1555
01:15:53,423 --> 01:15:56,009
who is plotting the social downfall
of the West
1556
01:15:56,093 --> 01:15:58,095
by promoting degeneracy,
1557
01:15:58,178 --> 01:16:01,848
often with
an explicitly anti-Semitic flavor.
1558
01:16:01,932 --> 01:16:06,812
Who pushed feminism? The fucking Jews.
Who pushed homosexuality? The Jews.
1559
01:16:06,895 --> 01:16:08,897
These are conversations
they don't want you to hear.
1560
01:16:08,981 --> 01:16:13,277
It felt like, for some,
the talk of the matrix ended up here.
1561
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,613
I feel like the people who run the world
don't have our best intentions.
1562
01:16:16,697 --> 01:16:19,908
I'd heard similar ideas
from Ed in Marbella.
1563
01:16:19,992 --> 01:16:23,203
They use vibrations
that are gonna negatively bring you down.
1564
01:16:23,287 --> 01:16:25,497
And who do you think controls all of that?
1565
01:16:27,624 --> 01:16:28,792
The Jews.
1566
01:16:29,626 --> 01:16:31,670
I'm gonna strongly disagree about that.
1567
01:16:32,254 --> 01:16:34,006
And Myron in Florida.
1568
01:16:34,506 --> 01:16:37,801
Do you feel like it's become fashionable
to blame Jews for things
1569
01:16:37,884 --> 01:16:39,970
in the red-pill community?
1570
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:41,513
Well…
1571
01:16:42,764 --> 01:16:44,850
-Can I get a drink of water then answer?
-Sure.
1572
01:16:44,933 --> 01:16:46,852
All right. I'll be right back.
1573
01:16:47,769 --> 01:16:49,313
Sorry about that. Okay.
1574
01:16:50,272 --> 01:16:53,108
So… I think a big reason
1575
01:16:53,191 --> 01:16:55,152
why so many people
are talking about it now
1576
01:16:55,235 --> 01:16:58,155
is because it's a topic
that's been censored for decades.
1577
01:16:58,238 --> 01:17:00,824
It was one of the topics
that would get you banned immediately
1578
01:17:00,907 --> 01:17:02,409
on any mainstream platform.
1579
01:17:02,492 --> 01:17:05,912
Fuck the Jews!
Fuck the Jews! Fuck the Jews!
1580
01:17:05,996 --> 01:17:07,789
Another was HS.
1581
01:17:07,873 --> 01:17:11,793
Theroux's just sat there
with his Jew fingers, like, "Yes."
1582
01:17:11,877 --> 01:17:14,463
Seemingly leaping
onto a bandwagon of hate.
1583
01:17:14,546 --> 01:17:15,839
What are you saying, bro?
1584
01:17:15,922 --> 01:17:18,967
Because he knew it was so shocking,
it would be clippable.
1585
01:17:19,051 --> 01:17:20,552
Nice to meet you.
1586
01:17:20,636 --> 01:17:23,138
It almost felt like an inflationary spiral
1587
01:17:23,221 --> 01:17:24,765
of racism and bigotry
1588
01:17:24,848 --> 01:17:28,852
in order to get people's attention,
and that this could quickly escalate.
1589
01:17:28,935 --> 01:17:31,021
Where you at? Where you at, pussy ho?
1590
01:17:31,104 --> 01:17:32,230
Where you at, pussy?
1591
01:17:32,314 --> 01:17:34,483
Stranger still, it seemed to me
1592
01:17:34,566 --> 01:17:37,903
that it was all with the aim
of selling products to teenagers.
1593
01:17:37,986 --> 01:17:40,280
Son of a bitch!
Come on, bitch! Are you dumb?
1594
01:17:50,374 --> 01:17:54,461
I'd once taken ÂŁ500
and joined HS's investment group,
1595
01:17:54,544 --> 01:17:56,380
making trades with its advice,
1596
01:17:56,463 --> 01:17:59,633
hoping to join the ranks
of those who'd levelled up.
1597
01:17:59,716 --> 01:18:03,470
With its help, after two months,
my money was mostly gone.
1598
01:18:05,847 --> 01:18:09,351
But it was less about the money
than how it seemed symptomatic
1599
01:18:09,434 --> 01:18:11,812
of a world where nothing
was quite as advertised.
1600
01:18:11,895 --> 01:18:18,443
The romance, the confidence, the wealth
were all either illusory or out of reach.
1601
01:18:18,527 --> 01:18:23,031
And the anger seemed a compensation
for the fear of being exposed.
1602
01:18:23,949 --> 01:18:26,368
Theroux come in,
yeah, trying to give it all large,
1603
01:18:26,451 --> 01:18:27,911
trying to chat all this shit.
1604
01:18:27,994 --> 01:18:31,081
So, what if Louis comes out
and wants to chat crap? I don't care.
1605
01:18:31,915 --> 01:18:37,921
If you wanna call me a pimp,
scammer, racist, homophobic dickhead,
1606
01:18:38,004 --> 01:18:39,673
I'm all of those, Theroux.
1607
01:18:40,257 --> 01:18:42,759
I didn't even know who you were
before this documentary,
1608
01:18:42,843 --> 01:18:45,595
and I won't know who you are after.
I do not give a fuck.
1609
01:18:47,389 --> 01:18:51,977
HS was now more visible than ever,
his social media following up,
1610
01:18:52,060 --> 01:18:55,105
mainstream papers
and TV shows taking notice.
1611
01:18:55,188 --> 01:18:56,857
The digital world he inhabited meant
1612
01:18:56,940 --> 01:19:00,193
that instead of being cancelled,
he was riding high.
1613
01:19:04,865 --> 01:19:07,701
And so I'd decided to see him
one last time,
1614
01:19:07,784 --> 01:19:11,538
hoping to level with him
about the troubling attitudes he promoted.
1615
01:19:11,621 --> 01:19:12,873
Oh my goodness.
1616
01:19:13,457 --> 01:19:14,624
Hi!
1617
01:19:15,125 --> 01:19:16,710
-You must be Elaine.
-I am Elaine.
1618
01:19:16,793 --> 01:19:18,003
-You must be Louis.
-I am.
1619
01:19:18,086 --> 01:19:20,964
He was in Marbella,
still on the run from his car crash case
1620
01:19:21,047 --> 01:19:23,300
and being visited by his mum, Elaine.
1621
01:19:23,383 --> 01:19:25,385
-Thanks for doing this.
-You're welcome.
1622
01:19:25,469 --> 01:19:26,344
There's Sam.
1623
01:19:27,387 --> 01:19:31,057
As soon as I arrived,
I sensed a slightly weird vibe.
1624
01:19:31,641 --> 01:19:33,685
Are you a fan of HS's content?
1625
01:19:33,769 --> 01:19:35,937
Well, I don't think of him as HS.
1626
01:19:36,021 --> 01:19:37,481
-He's Harrison.
-Mm.
1627
01:19:37,564 --> 01:19:39,900
If anyone went through
and said that they agreed
1628
01:19:39,983 --> 01:19:42,652
with absolutely everything
their child did and said,
1629
01:19:42,736 --> 01:19:44,404
then they'd be telling an untruth.
1630
01:19:44,488 --> 01:19:46,573
So, of course,
there's things I don't agree with.
1631
01:19:46,656 --> 01:19:48,450
And he knows that.
1632
01:19:48,533 --> 01:19:50,702
You've talked
about traditional gender roles
1633
01:19:50,786 --> 01:19:55,707
and actually thinking that, in general,
men should order women around, right?
1634
01:19:55,791 --> 01:19:59,628
"Men should order women around"?
I think that's a bit of an extreme.
1635
01:19:59,711 --> 01:20:03,131
You have said that you thought
that it'd be better to marry a virgin.
1636
01:20:03,882 --> 01:20:05,550
Yeah, I've… Ideally.
1637
01:20:06,218 --> 01:20:08,845
Why do I want a ting
that's been run through?
1638
01:20:09,387 --> 01:20:12,140
That type of thing,
the way women are stereotyped
1639
01:20:12,224 --> 01:20:16,186
if they have multiple partners
to the way that men are,
1640
01:20:16,269 --> 01:20:19,189
I find it… extraordinary.
1641
01:20:19,272 --> 01:20:22,859
But it's been like that
since the beginning of time. And sadly--
1642
01:20:22,943 --> 01:20:26,696
-We should push back on that.
-Well, yes, but…
1643
01:20:26,780 --> 01:20:28,573
-He's shaking his head.
-No.
1644
01:20:28,657 --> 01:20:31,243
Most women in the world
are not like my mum.
1645
01:20:31,326 --> 01:20:33,912
Most are thick. Most.
1646
01:20:33,995 --> 01:20:35,956
-Most women?
-Most--
1647
01:20:36,039 --> 01:20:37,749
Sorry. In the handful that you've met?
1648
01:20:37,833 --> 01:20:42,212
You're not talking to women of my age.
You're talking to…
1649
01:20:42,295 --> 01:20:44,548
About 30.
1650
01:20:46,174 --> 01:20:48,760
What struck me in the last week or so,
1651
01:20:48,844 --> 01:20:50,554
I've seen clips of HS saying,
1652
01:20:50,637 --> 01:20:55,976
"Call me racist, call me misogynist,
call me homophobic, call me a scammer."
1653
01:20:56,059 --> 01:20:57,727
"I'm all those things."
1654
01:20:57,811 --> 01:20:59,980
Yeah, that's my way
of saying I don't care.
1655
01:21:00,063 --> 01:21:02,482
-Do you feel you are those things?
-No.
1656
01:21:02,566 --> 01:21:04,568
-I think you're homophobic.
-I'm not homophobic.
1657
01:21:04,651 --> 01:21:05,986
-He's not.
-I have a gay mate.
1658
01:21:06,069 --> 01:21:09,030
But you said that if you had a son,
and he was gay, you'd disown him.
1659
01:21:11,533 --> 01:21:12,742
That's not homophobic.
1660
01:21:12,826 --> 01:21:16,621
The other thing was some of
the anti-Semitic things you were saying.
1661
01:21:17,664 --> 01:21:19,040
He's Jewish.
1662
01:21:19,541 --> 01:21:21,626
Have I said in a clip,
"Fuck the Jews"? Yes.
1663
01:21:22,252 --> 01:21:24,963
Does that mean I'm anti-Semitic?
No. I'm clip-farming.
1664
01:21:25,046 --> 01:21:27,132
Kids watch this stuff, don't they?
1665
01:21:27,215 --> 01:21:29,509
So they look up to you
like you're their superhero.
1666
01:21:29,593 --> 01:21:31,428
They hear that.
They think it's acceptable.
1667
01:21:31,511 --> 01:21:33,555
That's the parents' fault.
That's not my fault.
1668
01:21:33,638 --> 01:21:36,016
I don't need to censor myself.
I'll say what I want.
1669
01:21:36,099 --> 01:21:38,602
I've had 13-year-olds come up to me,
and I'm like,
1670
01:21:38,685 --> 01:21:42,022
"Mate, why are you watching my stuff?
You're too young to watch my stuff."
1671
01:21:42,105 --> 01:21:45,400
13-year-olds, 14, 15
is probably, like, your main demographic.
1672
01:21:45,483 --> 01:21:46,985
No, it isn't.
1673
01:21:48,528 --> 01:21:51,114
This character over here
is the one I'm worried about.
1674
01:21:51,197 --> 01:21:52,490
So sinister.
1675
01:21:52,574 --> 01:21:55,285
-Yeah. We've all got the cameras out.
-Jeez.
1676
01:21:55,911 --> 01:21:59,164
As we spoke,
I was increasingly aware of Sam's filming,
1677
01:21:59,247 --> 01:22:02,042
and that HS was probably streaming
to a live audience.
1678
01:22:02,125 --> 01:22:03,293
Now I was…
1679
01:22:03,376 --> 01:22:04,544
Zoom in.
1680
01:22:04,628 --> 01:22:05,712
Can you zoom in a bit?
1681
01:22:05,795 --> 01:22:08,256
Performing provocations for the chat.
1682
01:22:09,174 --> 01:22:12,177
For you, the only metric is making money.
It doesn't really--
1683
01:22:12,260 --> 01:22:14,471
Making money, being healthy, being happy.
1684
01:22:16,014 --> 01:22:20,226
If I wasn't doing social media,
I'd be up the city, playing that game.
1685
01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:23,647
Now, I'm playing the game of life,
and I'm playing it very well.
1686
01:22:23,730 --> 01:22:26,858
Do you believe in doing the right thing
for its own sake?
1687
01:22:26,942 --> 01:22:29,527
Obviously, you've got a couple
of criminal cases, right?
1688
01:22:29,611 --> 01:22:32,697
Oh, look, this is the twat shit
that you start saying, bro.
1689
01:22:32,781 --> 01:22:36,034
Honestly, this is the stuff
that pisses me off.
1690
01:22:37,035 --> 01:22:38,328
Why do you need to go there?
1691
01:22:38,411 --> 01:22:41,331
He's not gonna talk
about any issues with the law.
1692
01:22:41,414 --> 01:22:42,874
I'm talking about what's reported.
1693
01:22:42,958 --> 01:22:45,794
-You don't have to say anything.
-You're such a little twat, mate.
1694
01:22:45,877 --> 01:22:49,839
You've done it just to get a reaction,
so please don't, or else it will end.
1695
01:22:49,923 --> 01:22:51,841
If you don't agree
with what Harrison's doing,
1696
01:22:51,925 --> 01:22:55,387
then why are you making money off of it
on a program by publicizing it?
1697
01:22:55,470 --> 01:22:58,056
You're doing it because you think
he's a controversial character,
1698
01:22:58,139 --> 01:22:59,599
so you're making money off it.
1699
01:22:59,683 --> 01:23:02,018
And that's why…
that's all your programs are.
1700
01:23:02,102 --> 01:23:05,355
-Even with your mate Jimmy Savile.
-What you choose to cut-- Yeah.
1701
01:23:05,438 --> 01:23:07,816
-Even with your good mate Jimmy Savile.
-Come on.
1702
01:23:08,984 --> 01:23:10,568
Theroux cooked.
1703
01:23:10,652 --> 01:23:13,655
I get Jimmy Savile energy
from some of the manosphere figures.
1704
01:23:13,738 --> 01:23:15,281
Jimmy Savile used to refer to women…
1705
01:23:15,365 --> 01:23:18,952
HS seemed to have changed tactics
to put me on the back foot.
1706
01:23:19,494 --> 01:23:20,870
-A question?
-Absolutely.
1707
01:23:20,954 --> 01:23:22,914
Are Israel committing genocide?
1708
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,002
You're a puppet.
You can't say what you want.
1709
01:23:27,085 --> 01:23:28,920
-I wanna think about--
-You're a puppet.
1710
01:23:29,004 --> 01:23:29,963
In my opinion--
1711
01:23:30,046 --> 01:23:32,424
You're a puppet the same way you are
for Savile. Puppet.
1712
01:23:32,507 --> 01:23:34,092
Are you livestreaming at the moment?
1713
01:23:34,175 --> 01:23:36,219
No, we're filming for a YouTube video.
1714
01:23:36,302 --> 01:23:37,470
I think you're livestreaming.
1715
01:23:37,554 --> 01:23:39,222
With me, I don't have to edit.
1716
01:23:39,305 --> 01:23:41,391
I don't do this bullshit editing
that you do,
1717
01:23:41,474 --> 01:23:43,143
where this wouldn't be in the show.
1718
01:23:43,226 --> 01:23:46,396
'Cause I'm real. I'm raw.
I'm not a puppet. I'm not controlled.
1719
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:47,564
No one's my daddy.
1720
01:23:47,647 --> 01:23:49,691
Savile's your daddy.
The Jews are your daddy.
1721
01:23:49,774 --> 01:23:51,860
You know it. I don't give a fuck.
1722
01:23:53,111 --> 01:23:57,574
This is why I say what I believe,
and I don't need to edit anything, ever.
1723
01:23:58,199 --> 01:24:01,286
Ever. Nothing with me
needs to be edited out.
1724
01:24:01,369 --> 01:24:04,622
Put what you want about me on the net,
I don't give a toss.
1725
01:24:08,626 --> 01:24:14,340
HS's declaration to his camera
and his live audience was, I realized,
1726
01:24:14,424 --> 01:24:16,092
his grand finale.
1727
01:24:18,678 --> 01:24:20,722
Are you a fan of HS's content?
1728
01:24:20,805 --> 01:24:22,849
Well, I don't think of him as HS.
1729
01:24:22,932 --> 01:24:26,061
Within minutes, content
from the stream had gone viral.
1730
01:24:26,144 --> 01:24:29,147
Look, this is the twat shit
that you start saying, bro.
1731
01:24:29,230 --> 01:24:31,066
Edited by HS's clippers
1732
01:24:31,149 --> 01:24:34,069
into short snippets
with clickbait headlines.
1733
01:24:34,152 --> 01:24:36,529
You're a puppet.
You can't say what you want to say.
1734
01:24:36,613 --> 01:24:38,406
-I wanna think about--
-You're a puppet.
1735
01:24:38,490 --> 01:24:42,035
Louis is owned by the fucking Jews!
1736
01:24:43,578 --> 01:24:46,039
Later, I caught up with the whole stream.
1737
01:24:46,623 --> 01:24:48,958
-We're live.
-We're live, yeah?
1738
01:24:49,042 --> 01:24:51,169
All right, good.
All right, let's show him.
1739
01:24:51,252 --> 01:24:52,962
Five minutes till Theroux's here.
1740
01:24:53,046 --> 01:24:56,633
On Sam's camera,
it unfolded very differently.
1741
01:24:56,716 --> 01:24:58,885
Even with your good mate Jimmy Savile,
mate.
1742
01:24:58,968 --> 01:25:01,679
-Theroux cooked.
-I get Jimmy Savile energy…
1743
01:25:01,763 --> 01:25:05,308
The anonymous commenters
marionetting HS's performance
1744
01:25:05,391 --> 01:25:06,684
as they fed him questions.
1745
01:25:08,228 --> 01:25:10,980
Can I ask you a question?
Are Israel committing genocide?
1746
01:25:11,064 --> 01:25:13,316
Of all the material,
what I was most struck by
1747
01:25:13,399 --> 01:25:16,277
were the moments with HS's mum
before the interview.
1748
01:25:16,361 --> 01:25:19,072
-It's just what I like.
-That juice bar you get the things from.
1749
01:25:19,155 --> 01:25:21,116
-They'll have ginger.
-I don't want a juice.
1750
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:22,909
You don't have to have juice.
1751
01:25:22,992 --> 01:25:25,161
Mummy, I don't want a juice bar.
All right?
1752
01:25:25,245 --> 01:25:28,623
Don't embarrass me. Don't be rude.
That's not the way I've brought you up.
1753
01:25:28,706 --> 01:25:30,166
-Do not be rude.
-I won't be.
1754
01:25:30,250 --> 01:25:32,794
-'Cause it's a reflection on me.
-All right, I won't be.
1755
01:25:33,419 --> 01:25:36,214
They had an unlikely domestic flavor.
1756
01:25:36,297 --> 01:25:38,675
-Done.
-Can you get… Look at this!
1757
01:25:38,758 --> 01:25:41,219
I'm not having them come in here…
Look. Get out of the way.
1758
01:25:43,638 --> 01:25:45,974
Hello, YouTube.
1759
01:25:46,057 --> 01:25:51,146
I'm going to do chubby bunnies
with marshmallows.
1760
01:25:52,105 --> 01:25:56,192
Put one marshmallow in your mouth,
and then you say, "Chubby bunny."
1761
01:25:56,276 --> 01:25:59,362
It's tempting to see
the extreme male influencers
1762
01:25:59,445 --> 01:26:03,825
as adversaries spewing hate,
and in some ways, they are.
1763
01:26:04,951 --> 01:26:06,244
I wanted to be a doctor.
1764
01:26:06,327 --> 01:26:08,496
That's what my Filipino grandparents said
I wanted to be.
1765
01:26:08,580 --> 01:26:09,914
One of the few stereotypes…
1766
01:26:09,998 --> 01:26:12,542
But they are also products of a culture,
1767
01:26:12,625 --> 01:26:16,546
growing up online in a world
that's changing at dizzying speed
1768
01:26:16,629 --> 01:26:18,673
with narrowing opportunities,
1769
01:26:18,756 --> 01:26:22,468
where the old entitlements of manhood
have been challenged.
1770
01:26:24,721 --> 01:26:28,057
It is perhaps not surprising
that some have sought the comfort
1771
01:26:28,141 --> 01:26:31,936
of a simplified world of gain hacks
and conspiracy theories.
1772
01:26:34,606 --> 01:26:36,941
It struck me that the matrix
they rail against
1773
01:26:37,025 --> 01:26:39,861
more accurately describes
the algorithmic prison
1774
01:26:39,944 --> 01:26:42,405
they've created for their followers.
1775
01:26:43,406 --> 01:26:45,867
An illusion of endless wealth and power
1776
01:26:45,950 --> 01:26:49,245
that actually only enriches a few
at the top.
1777
01:26:58,338 --> 01:27:00,423
USA! USA! USA!
1778
01:27:00,506 --> 01:27:01,674
With their ascendancy,
1779
01:27:01,758 --> 01:27:05,094
we are in a world
where the fringe is no longer fringe.
1780
01:27:05,178 --> 01:27:09,724
We kept a female president
from taking power. Let's go!
1781
01:27:09,807 --> 01:27:13,311
Where we are all increasingly
inside the manosphere.
1782
01:27:13,394 --> 01:27:14,854
I'll take it, mate.
1783
01:27:14,938 --> 01:27:17,732
And it's up to us how we get out.
1784
01:27:17,815 --> 01:27:19,067
-Nice to meet you.
-Thank you.
1785
01:27:19,150 --> 01:27:20,360
Have a good time. See you.
1786
01:27:29,744 --> 01:27:33,331
A TikTok influencer
who spent nearly a year on the run
1787
01:27:33,414 --> 01:27:34,832
has been spared jail
1788
01:27:34,916 --> 01:27:38,544
after receiving
a one-year suspended custodial sentence.
1789
01:27:38,628 --> 01:27:42,382
That's for dangerous driving
and also driving without insurance.
1790
01:27:42,465 --> 01:27:46,302
He's known as HSTikkyTokky.
1791
01:27:53,184 --> 01:27:55,770
This shit is on me, bro.
Like, it's not on her whatsoever.
1792
01:27:55,853 --> 01:27:59,357
We haven't been together for a minute,
and she wants a family.
1793
01:28:00,233 --> 01:28:01,526
And I can't give that to her now.
1794
01:28:09,867 --> 01:28:11,911
This is my first video back on YouTube.
1795
01:28:11,995 --> 01:28:13,079
I did it.
1796
01:28:13,955 --> 01:28:15,707
I don't know. Should I post this?
1797
01:28:18,376 --> 01:28:19,419
Ready?
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