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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,072 --> 00:00:07,117 [light electronic music] 2 00:00:07,141 --> 00:00:09,677 [crickets chirp] 3 00:00:13,481 --> 00:00:17,051 [light instrumental music] 4 00:00:57,891 --> 00:01:01,562 [light instrumental music] 5 00:01:11,372 --> 00:01:12,682 - [Man] Yes, sir. 6 00:01:12,706 --> 00:01:14,418 - Just pull down here. 7 00:01:14,442 --> 00:01:18,312 [light instrumental music] 8 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:28,332 - [Cullen] West Virginia was in the midst 9 00:01:28,356 --> 00:01:32,526 of the largest drinking water crisis in recent US history. 10 00:01:33,927 --> 00:01:36,640 National news had been covering the chaos, 11 00:01:36,664 --> 00:01:39,676 but no one knew why this had happened. 12 00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:41,620 - President Obama approved a disaster declaration 13 00:01:41,644 --> 00:01:42,879 for West Virginia. 14 00:01:42,903 --> 00:01:45,849 Nine counties are dealing with a chemical spill 15 00:01:45,873 --> 00:01:47,884 that contaminated the water supply. 16 00:01:47,908 --> 00:01:50,487 - Roughly 300,000 people in West Virginia 17 00:01:50,511 --> 00:01:52,322 have been without tap water. 18 00:01:52,346 --> 00:01:53,323 - [Reporter] The rush for water was immediate. 19 00:01:53,347 --> 00:01:56,360 After that sold out, so did juice, soft drinks, 20 00:01:56,384 --> 00:01:59,729 anything liquid, leaving customers scrambling for ice. 21 00:01:59,753 --> 00:02:00,630 - [Reporter] What are you gonna do 22 00:02:00,654 --> 00:02:01,565 about showering or cleaning or bathing? 23 00:02:01,589 --> 00:02:04,234 - Well, honey, you gonna melt this down. 24 00:02:04,258 --> 00:02:05,335 That's what you gonna do. 25 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:06,470 Like you did back in them old days. 26 00:02:06,494 --> 00:02:07,471 Put 'em in a little tub. 27 00:02:07,495 --> 00:02:09,539 Put 'em in there, and just take a, you know, 28 00:02:09,563 --> 00:02:10,540 like a birdbath. 29 00:02:10,564 --> 00:02:11,841 - [Reporter] 700 people in the Charleston area 30 00:02:11,865 --> 00:02:13,577 have called poison control centers. 31 00:02:13,601 --> 00:02:15,445 - The smell was so strong 32 00:02:15,469 --> 00:02:18,482 that we had to actually cover our faces up. 33 00:02:18,506 --> 00:02:20,466 - I think there should be a thorough investigation 34 00:02:20,490 --> 00:02:23,287 of what happened and why this incident happened 35 00:02:23,311 --> 00:02:25,145 at Freedom Industries. 36 00:02:28,949 --> 00:02:32,229 [computer keys click] 37 00:02:32,253 --> 00:02:35,723 [light instrumental music] 38 00:02:41,829 --> 00:02:44,408 - I'd say if they knew more about the chemical itself, 39 00:02:44,432 --> 00:02:47,411 that's probably what's got so many people 40 00:02:47,435 --> 00:02:49,379 scared to death now. 41 00:02:49,403 --> 00:02:52,349 Nobody knows that much about it. 42 00:02:52,373 --> 00:02:54,718 The water company people, you'd think they coulda figured 43 00:02:54,742 --> 00:02:58,622 out what's safe, what's not safe, before they fired them 44 00:02:58,646 --> 00:03:00,724 intakes up and polluted every water line 45 00:03:00,748 --> 00:03:02,583 throughout the valley. 46 00:03:08,456 --> 00:03:11,235 Yeah, you're coming up on it. 47 00:03:11,259 --> 00:03:14,371 It's got a hole rusted through it. 48 00:03:14,395 --> 00:03:17,941 See, they've got all this containment boom in here. 49 00:03:17,965 --> 00:03:21,945 That's probably where it was breaking outta the wall. 50 00:03:21,969 --> 00:03:23,613 You'd think these people woulda cared more 51 00:03:23,637 --> 00:03:28,318 and do more visual inspections to prevent something 52 00:03:28,342 --> 00:03:29,986 like this from ever happening. 53 00:03:30,010 --> 00:03:33,290 They knew the water company was just down the road. 54 00:03:33,314 --> 00:03:35,792 It'll probably take 'em months, but they'll cut all them 55 00:03:35,816 --> 00:03:39,987 tanks up and haul it to scrap, make one big field out of it. 56 00:03:41,289 --> 00:03:42,566 As long as it's settin' there, 57 00:03:42,590 --> 00:03:44,534 the people is gonna remember it. 58 00:03:44,558 --> 00:03:45,535 And that's the main thing. 59 00:03:45,559 --> 00:03:47,895 They want it all to go away. 60 00:04:04,412 --> 00:04:06,923 - We've had the daughter to the hospital. 61 00:04:06,947 --> 00:04:10,026 She had a severe rash, and her neck started to swell, 62 00:04:10,050 --> 00:04:12,562 and it doubled in size. 63 00:04:12,586 --> 00:04:14,998 Is this your first trip to Charleston? 64 00:04:15,022 --> 00:04:16,600 - I haven't been to Charleston before, 65 00:04:16,624 --> 00:04:19,068 but I used to come to West Virginia when I was a kid. 66 00:04:19,092 --> 00:04:21,495 We had family here, my uncle. 67 00:04:23,096 --> 00:04:25,742 He passed away when I was 10. 68 00:04:25,766 --> 00:04:29,446 I haven't been back here since, but I remember loving it. 69 00:04:29,470 --> 00:04:32,048 He taught me how to shoot a bow and arrow, 70 00:04:32,072 --> 00:04:33,583 and played in streams. 71 00:04:33,607 --> 00:04:36,420 It was kind of a novelty, being from California. 72 00:04:36,444 --> 00:04:38,579 We don't get a lot of water. 73 00:04:40,013 --> 00:04:41,773 I still can't believe you guys lived so close 74 00:04:41,797 --> 00:04:42,992 to Freedom Industries. 75 00:04:43,016 --> 00:04:44,561 You mind if we go up there? 76 00:04:44,585 --> 00:04:46,954 - Sure, we can go, if you like. 77 00:04:50,023 --> 00:04:51,863 - [Cullen] Oh, there you go, there's the smell. 78 00:04:51,887 --> 00:04:53,337 - Yeah, you smell that now, do ya? 79 00:04:53,361 --> 00:04:54,538 - [Cullen] Whoa. 80 00:04:54,562 --> 00:04:56,873 - This is a detergent for coal. 81 00:04:56,897 --> 00:04:58,642 The chemical that leaked out. 82 00:04:58,666 --> 00:05:01,445 But you know, this is really just a drop in the bucket 83 00:05:01,469 --> 00:05:04,405 because we live in chemical valley. 84 00:05:06,374 --> 00:05:09,443 You know, have you heard that term yet? 85 00:05:18,686 --> 00:05:19,686 - What? 86 00:05:22,456 --> 00:05:24,625 Oh shit, I totally forgot. 87 00:05:28,596 --> 00:05:30,574 It seemed that within the chemical valley, 88 00:05:30,598 --> 00:05:34,043 Freedom Industries was a relatively small company. 89 00:05:34,067 --> 00:05:35,579 Their primary business was buying, 90 00:05:35,603 --> 00:05:38,081 selling, and mixing chemicals. 91 00:05:38,105 --> 00:05:40,550 They hadn't talked to any reporters 92 00:05:40,574 --> 00:05:44,087 since their last press conference the. 93 00:05:44,111 --> 00:05:46,656 - Our intent is to be totally... 94 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:47,691 - [Reporter] Stay in front of the microphone. 95 00:05:47,715 --> 00:05:48,992 - Oh, okay. - Look at us. 96 00:05:49,016 --> 00:05:49,959 - Okay. 97 00:05:49,983 --> 00:05:52,462 - [Reporter] Are there no systems in place 98 00:05:52,486 --> 00:05:56,800 to alert you of a leak at your facility other than a smell? 99 00:05:56,824 --> 00:05:58,001 - At this moment in time, 100 00:05:58,025 --> 00:06:00,470 I think that's all we have time for, so thanks for coming. 101 00:06:00,494 --> 00:06:01,505 Thanks for your time. 102 00:06:01,529 --> 00:06:02,472 - Woah, woah, woah. - We have more questions. 103 00:06:02,496 --> 00:06:03,607 Hey, hey, hey. 104 00:06:03,631 --> 00:06:05,831 - [Cullen] It was a PR disaster, and it had a pronounced 105 00:06:05,855 --> 00:06:08,445 effect on the people I spoke to in town. 106 00:06:08,469 --> 00:06:10,113 So, if this was a whodunit mystery... 107 00:06:10,137 --> 00:06:11,548 - There's no whodunit. 108 00:06:11,572 --> 00:06:13,741 Freedom Industries did it. 109 00:06:14,908 --> 00:06:17,487 They are the sole culprit. 110 00:06:17,511 --> 00:06:19,471 - [Cullen] So if this happens again in the future, 111 00:06:19,495 --> 00:06:22,526 we would say that that other company was the sole culprit? 112 00:06:22,550 --> 00:06:23,660 - Most certainly. 113 00:06:23,684 --> 00:06:25,562 Who are you gonna blame? 114 00:06:25,586 --> 00:06:27,867 - It's just unconscionable that Freedom Industry could not 115 00:06:27,891 --> 00:06:30,534 have known about the leak, did not report the leak, 116 00:06:30,558 --> 00:06:32,802 and did not know how much the leak had happened. 117 00:06:32,826 --> 00:06:33,937 It's unconscionable to me. 118 00:06:33,961 --> 00:06:38,131 My outrage and everybody else's outrage should be that. 119 00:06:54,047 --> 00:06:55,927 - [Cullen] The water company and state officials 120 00:06:55,951 --> 00:06:59,529 waited more than six hours before informing the public. 121 00:06:59,553 --> 00:07:02,932 But ultimately, they had little choice. 122 00:07:02,956 --> 00:07:05,969 The smell demanded an explanation. 123 00:07:05,993 --> 00:07:08,538 - [Attorney] Regarding the Freedom Industry site, 124 00:07:08,562 --> 00:07:10,507 we will not be making any comments. 125 00:07:10,531 --> 00:07:14,067 Nor will it be permitting access to the site. 126 00:07:16,670 --> 00:07:18,682 - [Cullen] It didn't require an engineer to see 127 00:07:18,706 --> 00:07:21,551 that the tanks and walls were falling apart. 128 00:07:21,575 --> 00:07:23,520 But why was an industrial facility 129 00:07:23,544 --> 00:07:25,746 even allowed to get this bad? 130 00:07:28,782 --> 00:07:32,953 Was the story of Freedom Industries just a distraction? 131 00:07:36,890 --> 00:07:39,135 - We have enough regulations on the books, 132 00:07:39,159 --> 00:07:41,070 and what the administration oughta be doing 133 00:07:41,094 --> 00:07:42,972 is actually doing their jobs. 134 00:07:42,996 --> 00:07:45,909 Why wasn't this plant inspected since 1991? 135 00:07:45,933 --> 00:07:49,646 I am entirely confident that there are ample regulations 136 00:07:49,670 --> 00:07:51,815 already on the books to protect the health 137 00:07:51,839 --> 00:07:54,150 and safety of the American people. 138 00:07:54,174 --> 00:07:57,587 Somebody ought to be held accountable here. 139 00:07:57,611 --> 00:08:00,624 - Well, a lot has been made over, 140 00:08:00,648 --> 00:08:03,059 well, DEP, you haven't been to the site since '92 141 00:08:03,083 --> 00:08:06,530 or maybe you've only been two times in the 2000s. 142 00:08:06,554 --> 00:08:11,234 And right, wrong, or indifferent, simply visiting 143 00:08:11,258 --> 00:08:14,971 those sites would not have prevented this problem. 144 00:08:14,995 --> 00:08:17,206 - [Cullen] The DEP, or Department of Environmental. 145 00:08:17,230 --> 00:08:20,910 Protection, regulates all of the industry in the state. 146 00:08:20,934 --> 00:08:23,647 They're essentially the environmental policemen. 147 00:08:23,671 --> 00:08:25,682 Randy Huffman, he's in charge of it, 148 00:08:25,706 --> 00:08:28,317 and he plays a major role in this story. 149 00:08:28,341 --> 00:08:30,587 Let's say, in the instance of Freedom, 150 00:08:30,611 --> 00:08:33,156 you had gone and inspected the tanks. 151 00:08:33,180 --> 00:08:34,380 What would that have revealed? 152 00:08:34,404 --> 00:08:37,827 - We would've probably walked the site, looked for the 153 00:08:37,851 --> 00:08:41,064 obvious, evidence of material leaking from the tanks, 154 00:08:41,088 --> 00:08:43,567 visible holes in the secondary containment. 155 00:08:43,591 --> 00:08:45,151 - [Cullen] But there were visible holes. 156 00:08:45,175 --> 00:08:46,175 - I, I, I, 157 00:08:46,894 --> 00:08:49,873 it's unfortunate, you know, assigning, trying, 158 00:08:49,897 --> 00:08:52,175 the blame is on Freedom. 159 00:08:52,199 --> 00:08:56,345 The blame is on the company for having tanks 160 00:08:56,369 --> 00:08:59,048 that were not up to any kind of standard. 161 00:08:59,072 --> 00:09:01,685 I mean, [laughs] I'm reluctant to say this on camera. 162 00:09:01,709 --> 00:09:03,620 I joked to somebody about this the other day. 163 00:09:03,644 --> 00:09:06,022 It takes cigarettes 30 or 40 years to kill ya. 164 00:09:06,046 --> 00:09:09,826 I can't imagine that, you know, a couple days of MCHM, 165 00:09:09,850 --> 00:09:11,850 well, but, that's not even, I just say that in jest 166 00:09:11,874 --> 00:09:13,296 because it's not fair for me to say. 167 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,023 I'm not a health professional. 168 00:09:20,694 --> 00:09:24,841 - Hey, this is Dr. Gupta from the Health Department. 169 00:09:24,865 --> 00:09:26,305 So, there is very limited information 170 00:09:26,329 --> 00:09:28,277 on this chemical to begin with. 171 00:09:28,301 --> 00:09:31,648 We're seeing people are suffering on the 172 00:09:31,672 --> 00:09:33,883 I don't have a lot to offer them right now. 173 00:09:33,907 --> 00:09:35,685 They have faith in me, and that's the reason 174 00:09:35,709 --> 00:09:37,621 they are calling me. 175 00:09:37,645 --> 00:09:39,856 You sent me an email about somebody calling 176 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,692 about their 97-year-old grandmother? 177 00:09:42,716 --> 00:09:44,836 - [Cullen] Dr. Gupta runs the local health department. 178 00:09:44,860 --> 00:09:46,663 He also turns out to be the other 179 00:09:46,687 --> 00:09:49,666 major player in this story. 180 00:09:49,690 --> 00:09:51,400 For some reason, he was the only official 181 00:09:51,424 --> 00:09:53,903 who seemed concerned that this chemical 182 00:09:53,927 --> 00:09:56,673 might have negative health effects. 183 00:09:56,697 --> 00:09:58,708 - I'm not keeping any registry at this point, 184 00:09:58,732 --> 00:10:00,343 and the reason for that is that 185 00:10:00,367 --> 00:10:02,567 we're not getting a lot of support from a lot of people. 186 00:10:02,591 --> 00:10:04,031 Resistance from people who don't want 187 00:10:04,055 --> 00:10:05,649 to know what's going on. 188 00:10:05,673 --> 00:10:08,284 Obviously, the folks at state and federal level 189 00:10:08,308 --> 00:10:11,187 are so strongly convinced that there are going 190 00:10:11,211 --> 00:10:14,290 to be no long term impacts of this. 191 00:10:14,314 --> 00:10:15,594 I have not yet found the evidence 192 00:10:15,618 --> 00:10:20,229 on which they've based their, such strong convictions upon. 193 00:10:20,253 --> 00:10:22,923 [wind whistles] 194 00:10:25,893 --> 00:10:27,804 [computer keys click] 195 00:10:27,828 --> 00:10:30,406 [light instrumental music] 196 00:10:30,430 --> 00:10:32,750 - [Reporter] Spell your name for me and your correct title. 197 00:10:32,774 --> 00:10:35,679 - Laura Jordan, L-A-U-R-A J-O-R-D-A-N. 198 00:10:35,703 --> 00:10:39,082 External Affairs Manager for West Virginia American Water. 199 00:10:39,106 --> 00:10:40,950 - [Reporter] Is the water safe? 200 00:10:40,974 --> 00:10:41,951 - Yes. 201 00:10:41,975 --> 00:10:43,386 The water is safe to drink. 202 00:10:43,410 --> 00:10:46,756 [light instrumental music] 203 00:10:46,780 --> 00:10:48,660 - I want to issue a challenge to all the experts 204 00:10:48,684 --> 00:10:50,694 and officials that are testing our water 205 00:10:50,718 --> 00:10:51,695 and tellin' us it's safe. 206 00:10:51,719 --> 00:10:53,639 Whatever they're tellin' us to do with the water, 207 00:10:53,663 --> 00:10:55,832 you do it first, and I'll be happy to follow. 208 00:10:55,856 --> 00:10:57,136 - It still smells like licorice. 209 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,280 I just poured this this morning straight from the tap. 210 00:10:59,304 --> 00:11:01,612 - [Cullen] Even though the water still had an odor, 211 00:11:01,636 --> 00:11:04,440 officials were saying it was saying it was safe for use. 212 00:11:04,464 --> 00:11:07,744 - I want help for my daughter that's sick from this. 213 00:11:07,768 --> 00:11:09,528 - [Cullen] This was thanks to a determination 214 00:11:09,552 --> 00:11:13,216 that had been made by the CDC or Centers for Disease Control 215 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,753 who said that one part of MCHM per one millions parts 216 00:11:16,777 --> 00:11:19,947 of water or one PPM was okay to drink. 217 00:11:21,048 --> 00:11:23,459 This is the equivalent of squeezing one drop of MCHM 218 00:11:23,483 --> 00:11:25,753 into a 10 gallon fish tank. 219 00:11:26,386 --> 00:11:28,097 But here's what's strange. 220 00:11:28,121 --> 00:11:30,199 Only a few days later, they issued a statement 221 00:11:30,223 --> 00:11:32,869 advising pregnant women to find an alternate 222 00:11:32,893 --> 00:11:37,064 drinking water source due to a limited availability of data. 223 00:11:37,931 --> 00:11:39,508 [light instrumental music] 224 00:11:39,532 --> 00:11:41,344 - I'm not saying the water's safe. 225 00:11:41,368 --> 00:11:43,212 They're saying the water's safe. 226 00:11:43,236 --> 00:11:46,382 The water company's saying the water is safe. 227 00:11:46,406 --> 00:11:48,451 The CDC is saying the water is safe. 228 00:11:48,475 --> 00:11:51,087 When people shower or use the water other ways, 229 00:11:51,111 --> 00:11:55,282 they're having self-reported associations with rashes, 230 00:11:56,183 --> 00:11:58,995 eye irritations, asthma attacks. 231 00:11:59,019 --> 00:12:02,298 We should be more forthright and say, 232 00:12:02,322 --> 00:12:06,535 we cannot tell you if this is not related to the chemical, 233 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,262 but we're sure gonna find out. 234 00:12:15,068 --> 00:12:16,780 - [Cullen] With its 15 million customers, 235 00:12:16,804 --> 00:12:19,382 American Water is the biggest private water company 236 00:12:19,406 --> 00:12:21,550 in the United States. 237 00:12:21,574 --> 00:12:24,888 And their Charleston operation services the largest area 238 00:12:24,912 --> 00:12:28,916 on the East Coast, more than 2,500 square miles. 239 00:12:29,582 --> 00:12:33,262 And water here is some of the most expensive in the country. 240 00:12:33,286 --> 00:12:37,500 But looking around, neither of these facts made any sense 241 00:12:37,524 --> 00:12:39,927 because water was everywhere. 242 00:12:42,262 --> 00:12:44,941 Why were people paying so much money to pump 243 00:12:44,965 --> 00:12:49,136 water halfway across the state from a single source? 244 00:12:50,514 --> 00:12:51,794 - [Woman] Get out of that water. 245 00:12:51,818 --> 00:12:53,482 I ain't tellin' you no more. 246 00:12:53,506 --> 00:12:56,485 - I've been drinkin' it since they lifted the do not use, 247 00:12:56,509 --> 00:12:58,487 but nobody else in the household will. 248 00:12:58,511 --> 00:13:01,290 We're supposed to trust these people to provide us 249 00:13:01,314 --> 00:13:03,359 with clean, safe drinking water. 250 00:13:03,383 --> 00:13:05,263 Then we got a creek right here that just had 108 251 00:13:05,287 --> 00:13:07,530 gallons of slurry go down it. 252 00:13:07,554 --> 00:13:08,431 I'm all for coal. 253 00:13:08,455 --> 00:13:11,935 I'm 100% for coal, 100% against Obama. 254 00:13:11,959 --> 00:13:13,999 I guess in a lot of ways I'm just fed up with things 255 00:13:14,023 --> 00:13:16,405 happenin' around here, but I can't go nowhere 'cause I don't 256 00:13:16,429 --> 00:13:19,408 know how to do anything other than mine coal. 257 00:13:19,432 --> 00:13:21,568 [dogs bark] 258 00:13:24,437 --> 00:13:26,115 - You used to never have a problem. 259 00:13:26,139 --> 00:13:29,385 Then they put mines up here, mines up here and stuff, 260 00:13:29,409 --> 00:13:31,387 and all that sludge and whatever they use. 261 00:13:31,411 --> 00:13:32,255 - Slurry. 262 00:13:32,279 --> 00:13:34,223 - Even into the aquifer it's dripping, 263 00:13:34,247 --> 00:13:38,527 and then for years they said, oh it smells funny. 264 00:13:38,551 --> 00:13:41,064 But it's okay to drink it. 265 00:13:41,088 --> 00:13:45,101 Half the people in this trailer park died from cancer. 266 00:13:45,125 --> 00:13:46,035 That's why they changed 267 00:13:46,059 --> 00:13:47,003 all these. - And the well ain't no good. 268 00:13:47,027 --> 00:13:49,906 To city water. - To city water and the next 269 00:13:49,930 --> 00:13:51,440 thing you know, well, we're gettin' 270 00:13:51,464 --> 00:13:53,977 contaminated freakin' water. 271 00:13:54,001 --> 00:13:57,604 [light instrumental music] 272 00:14:09,917 --> 00:14:11,961 - Even your clothes will look like that. 273 00:14:11,985 --> 00:14:15,664 [light instrumental music] 274 00:14:15,688 --> 00:14:18,534 - This is what come out of the spigot. 275 00:14:18,558 --> 00:14:20,961 [water runs] 276 00:14:28,601 --> 00:14:31,147 - I guess the water started back with the coal mines, 277 00:14:31,171 --> 00:14:33,382 which was about a mile down the road here, 278 00:14:33,406 --> 00:14:36,152 which my grandfather worked in. 279 00:14:36,176 --> 00:14:39,322 And my dad worked in it, and I worked in it. 280 00:14:39,346 --> 00:14:41,958 The mines has done good up until just recently. 281 00:14:41,982 --> 00:14:43,702 You start lookin' back at some of the things 282 00:14:43,726 --> 00:14:47,296 that's happenin' to you or to other people, 283 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:48,600 and the sickness that's goin' on. 284 00:14:48,624 --> 00:14:53,095 When I wake up in the morning, I think if I'm still living. 285 00:14:54,161 --> 00:14:56,572 I think it's a great day. 286 00:14:56,596 --> 00:14:58,999 [water runs] 287 00:15:01,434 --> 00:15:03,570 [kids yell] 288 00:15:09,309 --> 00:15:11,349 - [Cullen] Besides coal, the other big industry here 289 00:15:11,373 --> 00:15:14,723 is chemical, and it was still unclear if the industry 290 00:15:14,747 --> 00:15:18,527 at large had played a role in this crisis. 291 00:15:18,551 --> 00:15:20,563 [door knocks] 292 00:15:20,587 --> 00:15:22,622 - You guys want some water? 293 00:15:24,157 --> 00:15:27,403 Chemical alley is about a 25 mile stretch of the. 294 00:15:27,427 --> 00:15:29,538 Kanawha River that has tons of chemical 295 00:15:29,562 --> 00:15:31,507 manufacturing facilities on it. 296 00:15:31,531 --> 00:15:34,510 For your all's knowledge, people see cameras, and they think 297 00:15:34,534 --> 00:15:37,713 they kind of like, job security. 298 00:15:37,737 --> 00:15:40,116 So some people are friendly and welcoming of it, 299 00:15:40,140 --> 00:15:43,319 but a lot of people aren't because it gets bad publicity. 300 00:15:43,343 --> 00:15:45,354 The plant's gonna shut down, and they're not 301 00:15:45,378 --> 00:15:48,224 gonna be able to feed their kids. 302 00:15:48,248 --> 00:15:50,459 That's where the coal-fired power plant is 303 00:15:50,483 --> 00:15:52,561 that they have for that facility. 304 00:15:52,585 --> 00:15:55,564 This is where they dump all the toxic stuff, 305 00:15:55,588 --> 00:15:57,348 and actually for a long time they didn't know 306 00:15:57,372 --> 00:15:59,302 what Union Carbide dumped. 307 00:15:59,326 --> 00:16:02,471 And I know this because I worked there. 308 00:16:02,495 --> 00:16:06,475 When I was 16-years-old, there was an explosion 309 00:16:06,499 --> 00:16:10,313 at the Methomyl-Larvin unit in Institute. 310 00:16:10,337 --> 00:16:13,649 I tried to like tape up the windows and doors of my house 311 00:16:13,673 --> 00:16:16,519 like they told us to do in school, and by that time 312 00:16:16,543 --> 00:16:18,721 I was already exposed, so that incident 313 00:16:18,745 --> 00:16:21,348 kind of just changed my life. 314 00:16:24,284 --> 00:16:25,284 Okay. 315 00:16:26,286 --> 00:16:28,297 [computer keys click] 316 00:16:28,321 --> 00:16:30,041 - [Reporter] We are learning new information 317 00:16:30,065 --> 00:16:33,302 about the second substance found in the West Virginia 318 00:16:33,326 --> 00:16:36,096 chemical spill, the chemical PPH. 319 00:16:37,130 --> 00:16:39,608 - I know that many of you here would like an update 320 00:16:39,632 --> 00:16:43,312 on the new material that was found yesterday. 321 00:16:43,336 --> 00:16:44,680 Part of my team here from DEP. 322 00:16:44,704 --> 00:16:47,174 - Governor, thank you for... 323 00:16:50,577 --> 00:16:52,821 - On the day of the spill, when we asked the question, 324 00:16:52,845 --> 00:16:55,491 what's in the tank, the question that we asked 325 00:16:55,515 --> 00:16:58,194 should have revealed this as well. 326 00:16:58,218 --> 00:17:01,164 - [Cullen] By this, Randy means that what actually spilled 327 00:17:01,188 --> 00:17:04,733 was a mixture of chemicals, and 5.6% of it 328 00:17:04,757 --> 00:17:08,371 was this other chemical called PPH. 329 00:17:08,395 --> 00:17:10,639 Imagine that this beverage is what spilled, 330 00:17:10,663 --> 00:17:13,676 and they didn't find the lemon juice. 331 00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:18,114 Both state and federal regulators were doing testing. 332 00:17:18,138 --> 00:17:20,340 How had this gone undetected? 333 00:17:24,411 --> 00:17:28,291 - Mike might be able to answer the test results. 334 00:17:28,315 --> 00:17:30,626 - I just haven't seen the most recent test results. 335 00:17:30,650 --> 00:17:31,560 - [Cullen] So did Freedom Industries 336 00:17:31,584 --> 00:17:34,297 have any records about PPH? 337 00:17:34,321 --> 00:17:36,232 - Well, they had their in document that what they were 338 00:17:36,256 --> 00:17:38,376 shipping in and shipping out, but it was pretty rough. 339 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,080 They also had three tanks of this material, 340 00:17:40,104 --> 00:17:42,171 and they were shipping in between tanks. 341 00:17:42,195 --> 00:17:46,366 - [Cullen] Why did the DEP allow them to operate like this? 342 00:17:56,676 --> 00:17:59,322 So is your background in environmental science 343 00:17:59,346 --> 00:18:00,523 or anything like that? 344 00:18:00,547 --> 00:18:04,627 - I came out of college with a mining engineering degree. 345 00:18:04,651 --> 00:18:07,496 There were no jobs in the mining industry at the time. 346 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:08,597 This was the mid '80s. 347 00:18:08,621 --> 00:18:12,468 I came to work for what was the Department of Energy 348 00:18:12,492 --> 00:18:15,771 at the time in state government as a last resort. 349 00:18:15,795 --> 00:18:20,376 We could regulate CO2 out of existence in this country, 350 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,571 and it's not going to have any measurable impact globally. 351 00:18:27,407 --> 00:18:30,810 [light instrumental music] 352 00:18:33,546 --> 00:18:35,706 - [Cullen] Looking through the archives, Randy Huffman, 353 00:18:35,730 --> 00:18:37,560 he had the kind of report card 354 00:18:37,584 --> 00:18:39,795 that you hide from your parents. 355 00:18:39,819 --> 00:18:43,166 Loosening regulations, turning a blind eye to thousands 356 00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:46,602 of miles of dirty streams, granting pollution waivers. 357 00:18:46,626 --> 00:18:50,873 The DEP had even gone so far as to sue their federal 358 00:18:50,897 --> 00:18:53,842 counterpart, the Environmental Protection Agency when the 359 00:18:53,866 --> 00:18:56,812 federal agency tried to enforce the clean water act. 360 00:18:56,836 --> 00:18:58,747 "This is 100% victory. 361 00:18:58,771 --> 00:19:00,483 "We won," said Randy Huffman. 362 00:19:00,507 --> 00:19:03,219 For a while, it was reported that the DEP simply 363 00:19:03,243 --> 00:19:05,554 didn't review the waster water pollution reports 364 00:19:05,578 --> 00:19:07,556 of companies around the state. 365 00:19:07,580 --> 00:19:10,559 These added up to over 25,000 violations 366 00:19:10,583 --> 00:19:12,928 of the Clean Water Act. 367 00:19:12,952 --> 00:19:14,952 "For whatever reason, we weren't getting it done,." 368 00:19:14,976 --> 00:19:16,799 Huffman said, "It was a glitch, and they got" 369 00:19:16,823 --> 00:19:18,967 "off track with it." 370 00:19:18,991 --> 00:19:19,991 25,000. 371 00:19:24,231 --> 00:19:25,711 - I believe in the production of coal, 372 00:19:25,735 --> 00:19:29,412 it's value to our country, and I will continue 373 00:19:29,436 --> 00:19:32,648 to do everything that I can to fight the EPA 374 00:19:32,672 --> 00:19:35,318 and its misguided attempts to cripple this industry. 375 00:19:35,342 --> 00:19:37,253 [audience applauds] 376 00:19:37,277 --> 00:19:38,354 - [Cullen] After reviewing some of the past. 377 00:19:38,378 --> 00:19:40,623 State of the State addresses given by the governor, 378 00:19:40,647 --> 00:19:43,626 it seems that fighting environmental regulation, 379 00:19:43,650 --> 00:19:46,529 well, that was something that brought Democrats 380 00:19:46,553 --> 00:19:48,655 and Republicans together. 381 00:19:49,722 --> 00:19:51,600 And this is how the states Democratic. 382 00:19:51,624 --> 00:19:53,626 US Senator won his seat. 383 00:19:55,728 --> 00:19:56,972 - I'm Joe Manchin. 384 00:19:56,996 --> 00:20:01,310 I sued EPA, and I'll take dead aim at the Cap and Trade Bill 385 00:20:01,334 --> 00:20:03,846 because it's bad for West Virginia. 386 00:20:03,870 --> 00:20:05,990 - [Cullen] It seemed that the EPA's proposed emissions 387 00:20:06,014 --> 00:20:08,651 program was also bad for his coal business, 388 00:20:08,675 --> 00:20:11,620 a business that had earned him millions. 389 00:20:11,644 --> 00:20:14,490 Now, at that time, he was the state's governor, 390 00:20:14,514 --> 00:20:17,426 and here's what Joe Manchin did right 391 00:20:17,450 --> 00:20:19,495 at the beginning of his term. 392 00:20:19,519 --> 00:20:23,332 - The first official new sign of West Virginia's progress 393 00:20:23,356 --> 00:20:25,801 started going up today, which shows 394 00:20:25,825 --> 00:20:28,537 the true beauty of West Virginia. 395 00:20:28,561 --> 00:20:29,672 [audience applauds] 396 00:20:29,696 --> 00:20:31,816 - [Cullen] It's a little hard to read, but he actually 397 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,379 changed the slogan of the state to Open for Business. 398 00:20:36,403 --> 00:20:38,547 So I asked a retired employee from the DEP 399 00:20:38,571 --> 00:20:41,984 if this translated into weaker enforcement. 400 00:20:42,008 --> 00:20:45,521 - Yes, Joe Manchin, in my opinion, did initiate 401 00:20:45,545 --> 00:20:49,449 a more lax environmental enforcement atmosphere 402 00:20:51,584 --> 00:20:55,998 while he was in office and even it seems even until today. 403 00:20:56,022 --> 00:20:59,668 - [Cullen] Joe Manchin had appointed Randy Huffman 404 00:20:59,692 --> 00:21:02,771 nearly 10 years ago, and it seemed he was still doing 405 00:21:02,795 --> 00:21:06,433 the exact job that he'd been hired to do. 406 00:21:07,834 --> 00:21:10,012 - They tell us all it's the flu. 407 00:21:10,036 --> 00:21:11,113 It's not the water at all. 408 00:21:11,137 --> 00:21:13,882 It's somethin' else, and they send us home like this. 409 00:21:13,906 --> 00:21:16,352 And then you know, we go home and sit there and cry. 410 00:21:16,376 --> 00:21:18,654 And it's wrong how they're doin' us. 411 00:21:18,678 --> 00:21:20,989 - It's not the hospital's job to make sure they ask 412 00:21:21,013 --> 00:21:23,392 questions every time somebody comes with a rash. 413 00:21:23,416 --> 00:21:24,393 They're too busy for that. 414 00:21:24,417 --> 00:21:25,577 Their job's not surveillance. 415 00:21:25,601 --> 00:21:29,832 We need a program that will actually encourage people 416 00:21:29,856 --> 00:21:32,335 to come in, describe their symptoms. 417 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,638 That needs to be followed over several years. 418 00:21:35,662 --> 00:21:38,674 That's the way you prove connections, 419 00:21:38,698 --> 00:21:41,000 the chemical and other things. 420 00:21:43,636 --> 00:21:44,880 Two weeks ago. 421 00:21:44,904 --> 00:21:46,973 It should have been done. 422 00:21:48,708 --> 00:21:50,628 - You know, I'm not interested in writing tickets 423 00:21:50,652 --> 00:21:51,620 or assessing fines. 424 00:21:51,644 --> 00:21:53,804 I don't need to collect money from people just because. 425 00:21:53,828 --> 00:21:57,059 Give the benefit of the doubt to organizations, 426 00:21:57,083 --> 00:21:59,662 and assume people aren't out there trying to break 427 00:21:59,686 --> 00:22:02,465 the law, but they would like to comply. 428 00:22:02,489 --> 00:22:04,767 And give 'em a shot at it. 429 00:22:04,791 --> 00:22:07,636 - Do you though, that like that ideology lets 430 00:22:07,660 --> 00:22:11,607 companies like Freedom through the cracks? 431 00:22:11,631 --> 00:22:12,775 - No, I don't. 432 00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:13,959 - Maybe you can correct this. 433 00:22:13,983 --> 00:22:17,713 In the five years before 2008, something like 25,000 434 00:22:17,737 --> 00:22:19,882 violations of the Clean Water Act occurred, 435 00:22:19,906 --> 00:22:22,150 but you know, fines were never issued. 436 00:22:22,174 --> 00:22:25,378 - Ah, yeah, 35,000 is not that many. 437 00:22:27,514 --> 00:22:28,957 So I'll say that. 438 00:22:28,981 --> 00:22:32,628 This is a whole lot more complicated than something 439 00:22:32,652 --> 00:22:35,931 that you can just put in a sound bite and say, here's 35,000 440 00:22:35,955 --> 00:22:39,859 violations for which there never was a penalty. 441 00:22:47,834 --> 00:22:50,045 [computer keys click] 442 00:22:50,069 --> 00:22:52,180 - [Cullen] Nearly three weeks had gone by, 443 00:22:52,204 --> 00:22:56,819 and yet for some reason, the water still had a smell. 444 00:22:56,843 --> 00:22:58,754 So people didn't trust it. 445 00:22:58,778 --> 00:23:01,524 And they also didn't trust the state or federal officials 446 00:23:01,548 --> 00:23:04,893 who were saying that the water was safe to drink. 447 00:23:04,917 --> 00:23:05,894 - It's three weeks. 448 00:23:05,918 --> 00:23:07,118 We haven't been told anything. 449 00:23:07,142 --> 00:23:09,432 - You're trying to force feed us underneath the table. 450 00:23:09,456 --> 00:23:10,833 - Is this water safe for him? 451 00:23:10,857 --> 00:23:13,569 - Purging is not working. 452 00:23:13,593 --> 00:23:16,439 - [Cullen] American Water didn't even bother to show up. 453 00:23:16,463 --> 00:23:20,108 There was only one official there to take all of the heat. 454 00:23:20,132 --> 00:23:21,176 - What kind of inspection? 455 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,712 How often do you do it? 456 00:23:23,736 --> 00:23:27,149 Do you do it every month, every year, once a week. 457 00:23:27,173 --> 00:23:29,013 - [Cullen] It was hard to tell if Randy Huffman 458 00:23:29,037 --> 00:23:31,587 was playing dumb or he really didn't know anything. 459 00:23:31,611 --> 00:23:33,489 - I'm not aware of any full spectrum testing 460 00:23:33,513 --> 00:23:34,957 that's been done. 461 00:23:34,981 --> 00:23:36,625 I wouldn't make any judgments on that at all. 462 00:23:36,649 --> 00:23:37,860 No evidence that we've seen. 463 00:23:37,884 --> 00:23:38,927 I'm just not aware of 'em. 464 00:23:38,951 --> 00:23:41,630 I'm sure it'll reveal something we didn't know. 465 00:23:41,654 --> 00:23:43,799 I apologize, but I'm not familiar with the protocols 466 00:23:43,823 --> 00:23:48,170 at all that the water company used to do their sampling. 467 00:23:48,194 --> 00:23:49,638 - [Man] I have a question. 468 00:23:49,662 --> 00:23:51,422 - Freedom's been ordered to remove the tanks. 469 00:23:51,446 --> 00:23:54,209 No, there will not be another tank farm on that site. 470 00:23:54,233 --> 00:23:57,746 - [Man] Nobody else is gonna be there. [audience applauds] 471 00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:59,682 - We need to understand the basics of this. 472 00:23:59,706 --> 00:24:01,850 We are the first human beings this chemical 473 00:24:01,874 --> 00:24:03,919 has ever been experimented on. 474 00:24:03,943 --> 00:24:06,722 It's tested on rats and some of the other lab animals. 475 00:24:06,746 --> 00:24:09,892 I vehemently disagree with any official anywhere 476 00:24:09,916 --> 00:24:12,661 who's saying well, this is flu, or this is something else 477 00:24:12,685 --> 00:24:16,532 'cause it's not. [audience applauds] 478 00:24:16,556 --> 00:24:18,196 - Don't let anyone around you convince you 479 00:24:18,220 --> 00:24:20,202 that you don't see and you aren't experiencing 480 00:24:20,226 --> 00:24:22,270 what you're experiencing. 481 00:24:22,294 --> 00:24:26,642 Dr. Gupta has really stepped up, and I have yet in 22 years 482 00:24:26,666 --> 00:24:30,837 of work seen a health official do that, so thank you. 483 00:24:32,171 --> 00:24:33,891 - We're working closely with the legislature 484 00:24:33,915 --> 00:24:35,850 on some specific rules. 485 00:24:36,909 --> 00:24:38,153 - Here's the thing. 486 00:24:38,177 --> 00:24:41,881 Regulation without enforcement is pointless. 487 00:24:42,882 --> 00:24:45,828 [audience applauds] 488 00:24:45,852 --> 00:24:46,729 - It was brutal. 489 00:24:46,753 --> 00:24:49,989 It might have been the worst experience 490 00:24:51,691 --> 00:24:53,602 that I've had in this job. 491 00:24:53,626 --> 00:24:55,671 The police escorted me to my truck 'cause they were 492 00:24:55,695 --> 00:24:58,641 concerned [laughs] for my safety. 493 00:24:58,665 --> 00:25:00,142 I wasn't, but they were. 494 00:25:00,166 --> 00:25:02,077 I think they just wanted somethin' to do. 495 00:25:02,101 --> 00:25:04,713 - [Cullen] While Randy and his agency may be responsible 496 00:25:04,737 --> 00:25:07,015 for a lot of problems in the state, 497 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:09,918 as it turns out, the inspection of above ground 498 00:25:09,942 --> 00:25:12,721 storage tanks wasn't one of them. 499 00:25:12,745 --> 00:25:15,323 - I could send inspectors to that site every day. 500 00:25:15,347 --> 00:25:17,307 I'm not gonna know that that hole is gettin' ready 501 00:25:17,331 --> 00:25:20,729 to rust the rest of the way through and leak the material. 502 00:25:20,753 --> 00:25:22,831 What we need to prevent this problem 503 00:25:22,855 --> 00:25:24,800 is something that we don't have. 504 00:25:24,824 --> 00:25:27,970 Some kind of policy decision by Congress 505 00:25:27,994 --> 00:25:31,640 or by our state legislatures at some point was made. 506 00:25:31,664 --> 00:25:32,641 - [Cullen] One thing was for sure. 507 00:25:32,665 --> 00:25:35,043 The politicians didn't want any of this blame 508 00:25:35,067 --> 00:25:36,812 coming back to them. 509 00:25:36,836 --> 00:25:39,181 I've heard there's a lot of political corruption 510 00:25:39,205 --> 00:25:41,750 and that lobbyists wield a lot of influence here. 511 00:25:41,774 --> 00:25:44,119 - That would be more so in Washington than here. 512 00:25:44,143 --> 00:25:46,789 The idea of regulation as in ensuring the safety 513 00:25:46,813 --> 00:25:50,893 of storage tanks, we always assumed that that was in place. 514 00:25:50,917 --> 00:25:53,061 That's the type of regulation everyone wants. 515 00:25:53,085 --> 00:25:55,263 - [Cullen] But when it came to making this law, 516 00:25:55,287 --> 00:25:58,667 Chris also had a little extra motivation. 517 00:25:58,691 --> 00:26:00,736 - I mean, I've been drinking all day. 518 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,041 I had just gotten out of the shower right before our date. 519 00:26:03,065 --> 00:26:05,741 I thought about the baby and what was gonna happen. 520 00:26:05,765 --> 00:26:09,778 He used to take 45 minute showers. [laughs] 521 00:26:09,802 --> 00:26:11,322 - [Chris] I used to get clean. [laughs] 522 00:26:11,346 --> 00:26:13,949 - I don't feel comfortable with my biggest organ 523 00:26:13,973 --> 00:26:17,152 being exposed to somethin' that they know nothing about. 524 00:26:17,176 --> 00:26:21,347 I don't feel comfortable with my daughter's or my husband's. 525 00:26:23,415 --> 00:26:25,628 - [Cullen] Across the state, there was a contest 526 00:26:25,652 --> 00:26:28,263 to determine the best drinking water in the world. 527 00:26:28,287 --> 00:26:31,199 I wanted to see how this water that had been declared 528 00:26:31,223 --> 00:26:35,270 safe for use stacked up against the competition. 529 00:26:35,294 --> 00:26:37,706 - This isn't Charleston water? 530 00:26:37,730 --> 00:26:38,707 - You tell me. 531 00:26:38,731 --> 00:26:40,876 - It's really incredible. 532 00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:44,146 I mean, it's like a big bottle of licorice. 533 00:26:44,170 --> 00:26:46,982 On odor I would score it as low as I could. 534 00:26:47,006 --> 00:26:51,186 The people who test this say it's acceptable to drink? 535 00:26:51,210 --> 00:26:52,921 Is that right? - That's what they say. 536 00:26:52,945 --> 00:26:57,125 - Let me smell it again because that's atrocious. 537 00:26:57,149 --> 00:26:58,149 Oh. 538 00:26:59,185 --> 00:27:01,864 - I would love to give you our Beverly Hills 90H20 water, 539 00:27:01,888 --> 00:27:04,399 the first sommelier crafted water in the world. 540 00:27:04,423 --> 00:27:05,734 - Is this crafted by you? 541 00:27:05,758 --> 00:27:06,735 - Yes. 542 00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:08,039 - I tried to get it entered here, 543 00:27:08,063 --> 00:27:09,204 but they wouldn't accept it. 544 00:27:09,228 --> 00:27:10,773 - Too bad. 545 00:27:10,797 --> 00:27:12,975 The first, oh, my grandmother always said, 546 00:27:12,999 --> 00:27:16,912 and she survived two world wars, when water has an odor, 547 00:27:16,936 --> 00:27:18,847 don't drink it. 548 00:27:18,871 --> 00:27:20,348 This has. 549 00:27:20,372 --> 00:27:23,285 - I will tell you this is the best trade I've ever made. 550 00:27:23,309 --> 00:27:24,853 - Yeah, I think so, too, yeah. [laughs] 551 00:27:24,877 --> 00:27:25,921 I think so, too. 552 00:27:25,945 --> 00:27:29,091 And I will trade this with a trash can. [laughs] 553 00:27:29,115 --> 00:27:31,927 [computer keys click] 554 00:27:31,951 --> 00:27:33,195 - [Joe] Everyone's upset about their water bill. 555 00:27:33,219 --> 00:27:34,196 You know that, right? 556 00:27:34,220 --> 00:27:35,130 - [Jeff] I know they are. 557 00:27:35,154 --> 00:27:35,964 - [Joe] Can you at least give us a break? 558 00:27:35,988 --> 00:27:38,366 - You can smell MCHM in water below 559 00:27:38,390 --> 00:27:41,003 the protective health limit. 560 00:27:41,027 --> 00:27:42,404 As a water company... 561 00:27:42,428 --> 00:27:43,405 - How are you sleeping? 562 00:27:43,429 --> 00:27:44,472 - I'm sleepin' great. 563 00:27:44,496 --> 00:27:47,109 - Give the people in this valley some confidence. 564 00:27:47,133 --> 00:27:49,111 - We have to follow what's given to us 565 00:27:49,135 --> 00:27:51,046 as health-based guidance. 566 00:27:51,070 --> 00:27:54,116 It is a fear-based issue because people can smell it. 567 00:27:54,140 --> 00:27:56,018 - I'm understanding that not one of you up here 568 00:27:56,042 --> 00:27:58,486 are willing to say unequivocally, it's safe, 569 00:27:58,510 --> 00:28:00,388 and I would assume that you would have 570 00:28:00,412 --> 00:28:04,092 to have zero parts per billion, trillion, no nothing. 571 00:28:04,116 --> 00:28:06,829 - We monitor for 100 contaminants at various times 572 00:28:06,853 --> 00:28:09,464 throughout the year, and if anyone thinks that every 573 00:28:09,488 --> 00:28:12,267 water treatment system has absolutely zero of all 574 00:28:12,291 --> 00:28:15,771 of these chemicals or compounds, they're mistaken. 575 00:28:15,795 --> 00:28:17,806 There are limits set. 576 00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:19,842 [flag whips] 577 00:28:19,866 --> 00:28:21,509 [light instrumental music] 578 00:28:21,533 --> 00:28:24,512 - Water utilities simply don't have the information 579 00:28:24,536 --> 00:28:27,750 on how to remove 50,000 chemicals in the water. 580 00:28:27,774 --> 00:28:28,683 - Right. 581 00:28:28,707 --> 00:28:30,418 - So the Environmental Protection Action 582 00:28:30,442 --> 00:28:31,286 sets those standards. 583 00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:33,255 There's little information available. 584 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:36,258 That's just surprising to me, which is why we got involved. 585 00:28:36,282 --> 00:28:39,762 I'm not here to convince you the water is safe. 586 00:28:39,786 --> 00:28:41,396 I'm here to figure out if it is. 587 00:28:41,420 --> 00:28:43,365 - [Cullen] Dr. Andy Whelton had just arrived 588 00:28:43,389 --> 00:28:45,133 with a team of students. 589 00:28:45,157 --> 00:28:47,502 He's an independent scientist and a water protection 590 00:28:47,526 --> 00:28:50,773 strategist who used to work in the military. 591 00:28:50,797 --> 00:28:52,841 - There's simply not a lot of data associated 592 00:28:52,865 --> 00:28:57,145 with what chemicals are in waterways and water sources. 593 00:28:57,169 --> 00:29:00,783 - [Cullen] In fact, the EPA only requires water companies 594 00:29:00,807 --> 00:29:04,510 to test for 76 chemicals, and since MCHM wasn't 595 00:29:05,411 --> 00:29:09,557 on this list, it was legal for it to be in the water. 596 00:29:09,581 --> 00:29:13,328 But MCHM has an extremely rare quality. 597 00:29:13,352 --> 00:29:16,865 You can smell it in parts per billion. 598 00:29:16,889 --> 00:29:18,867 It's like putting one drop of MCHM 599 00:29:18,891 --> 00:29:22,170 into a 10,000 gallon fish tank. 600 00:29:22,194 --> 00:29:24,439 - In the drinking water industry, we're looking 601 00:29:24,463 --> 00:29:26,875 for that one device that can tell us everything. 602 00:29:26,899 --> 00:29:29,544 Because it doesn't exist, we have to rely 603 00:29:29,568 --> 00:29:32,080 on multiple devices to tell us a little bit 604 00:29:32,104 --> 00:29:35,283 of information about the water that we're looking at. 605 00:29:35,307 --> 00:29:37,319 - [Cullen] But aren't there more than 80,000 606 00:29:37,343 --> 00:29:38,954 chemicals used in commerce? 607 00:29:38,978 --> 00:29:40,188 - Right, and because they... 608 00:29:40,212 --> 00:29:42,572 - [Cullen] So you're saying there's no way to test for them? 609 00:29:42,596 --> 00:29:45,360 - There is no tri-quarter to determine which of the 610 00:29:45,384 --> 00:29:47,229 80,000 chemicals is present. 611 00:29:47,253 --> 00:29:49,564 Because there was an odor, that was exactly 612 00:29:49,588 --> 00:29:51,499 how it was detected. 613 00:29:51,523 --> 00:29:55,170 - [Cullen] So imagine, without the smell, the chemical 614 00:29:55,194 --> 00:29:57,439 would have gone unnoticed. 615 00:29:57,463 --> 00:30:00,976 People would have drank MCHM without knowing. 616 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,846 - [Man] Just insist on leaving your complaint 617 00:30:03,870 --> 00:30:05,948 and your intent not to pay. 618 00:30:05,972 --> 00:30:08,012 - [Cullen] The CDC would never have had to determine 619 00:30:08,036 --> 00:30:11,519 that one part per million was safe. 620 00:30:11,543 --> 00:30:13,488 - A lot of things just didn't make sense. 621 00:30:13,512 --> 00:30:17,259 How did the CDC come up with the screening levels? 622 00:30:17,283 --> 00:30:19,261 - [Governor] We all have the same question. 623 00:30:19,285 --> 00:30:21,363 Is my water really safe? 624 00:30:21,387 --> 00:30:25,557 I value and trust the opinions of the CDC and the EPA. 625 00:30:26,425 --> 00:30:29,404 - Thank you very much, Governor. 626 00:30:29,428 --> 00:30:30,873 Is your water safe? 627 00:30:30,897 --> 00:30:34,910 What I can say is that you can use your water 628 00:30:34,934 --> 00:30:36,611 however you like. 629 00:30:36,635 --> 00:30:39,547 - We had expected them to come in, and ease people's fears. 630 00:30:39,571 --> 00:30:41,917 Instead, they just threw a little gasoline on the fire. 631 00:30:41,941 --> 00:30:46,254 - There are no studies on humans for this substance. 632 00:30:46,278 --> 00:30:47,918 - After the water use ban has been lifted, 633 00:30:47,942 --> 00:30:49,982 if we're still smelling the water in the way we are, 634 00:30:50,006 --> 00:30:52,394 there is some amount of chemical somewhere. 635 00:30:52,418 --> 00:30:54,062 - The CDC has set a screening level. 636 00:30:54,086 --> 00:30:57,132 Doesn't mean there is potentially zero in there. 637 00:30:57,156 --> 00:30:58,533 - You know, they gave us a one part per million. 638 00:30:58,557 --> 00:31:00,077 Then they came to town and wouldn't say 639 00:31:00,101 --> 00:31:01,569 that it was safe to drink. 640 00:31:01,593 --> 00:31:05,007 The Centers for Disease Control everybody relies on. 641 00:31:05,031 --> 00:31:09,011 And at that point, everybody was sort of dumbfounded. 642 00:31:09,035 --> 00:31:11,079 - [Cullen] So for some reason the most important 643 00:31:11,103 --> 00:31:14,249 health agency in the entire world was no longer willing 644 00:31:14,273 --> 00:31:16,118 to use the word, safe. 645 00:31:16,142 --> 00:31:19,021 - In refusing to declare the water safe, I think we're 646 00:31:19,045 --> 00:31:21,423 setting ourselves up in the future for something 647 00:31:21,447 --> 00:31:23,983 that we may not be proud of. 648 00:31:25,351 --> 00:31:29,531 [light instrumental music] 649 00:31:29,555 --> 00:31:31,466 - This is an independent project. 650 00:31:31,490 --> 00:31:33,650 We're pleased to have you, and we appreciate your help. 651 00:31:33,674 --> 00:31:35,270 Dr. Whelton. 652 00:31:35,294 --> 00:31:39,241 - As far as the testing phase, we go out tomorrow. 653 00:31:39,265 --> 00:31:42,044 - [Cullen] Dr. Whelton went from working on his own dime 654 00:31:42,068 --> 00:31:44,947 to working for the governor. 655 00:31:44,971 --> 00:31:48,975 It was now his job to do what the CDC could not. 656 00:31:53,379 --> 00:31:56,949 [light instrumental music] 657 00:31:59,318 --> 00:32:02,664 Eastman Chemical, they make about nine billion 658 00:32:02,688 --> 00:32:04,666 dollars every year. 659 00:32:04,690 --> 00:32:07,535 They're the original creator of MCHM, 660 00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:11,606 which means they're required to create a Safety Data Sheet. 661 00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:13,741 Tells you all these symptoms it affects. 662 00:32:13,765 --> 00:32:15,543 It's the only information that's available 663 00:32:15,567 --> 00:32:18,313 to the public and to emergency responders. 664 00:32:18,337 --> 00:32:20,715 - The people in my world, that's what we rely on. 665 00:32:20,739 --> 00:32:22,450 We go out on a truck wreck or something, 666 00:32:22,474 --> 00:32:25,420 and there's a tank leaking, we gotta look at a data sheet. 667 00:32:25,444 --> 00:32:26,554 That's all we have. 668 00:32:26,578 --> 00:32:29,391 - [Cullen] But if you look at a data sheet for MCHM, 669 00:32:29,415 --> 00:32:32,995 nearly every field reads no data available 670 00:32:33,019 --> 00:32:36,598 including most important symptoms and effects. 671 00:32:36,622 --> 00:32:40,602 However, there was one useful piece of information, 672 00:32:40,626 --> 00:32:44,997 the average amount of MCHM it takes to kill a rat. 673 00:32:46,165 --> 00:32:48,343 - Any time you talk about what levels are safe 674 00:32:48,367 --> 00:32:52,014 for people to expose to, that's a big deal. 675 00:32:52,038 --> 00:32:55,017 - [Cullen] But how the CDC determined what amount 676 00:32:55,041 --> 00:32:56,618 was acceptable is kind of shocking. 677 00:32:56,642 --> 00:32:58,553 [light instrumental music] 678 00:32:58,577 --> 00:33:02,457 Without knowing if MCHM causes cancer or reproductive harm 679 00:33:02,481 --> 00:33:04,726 the CDC decided what amount was safe 680 00:33:04,750 --> 00:33:08,696 from this piece of information, how much Eastman Chemical 681 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,057 says it takes to kill a rat. 682 00:33:12,591 --> 00:33:15,203 This would explain why the CDC told pregnant women 683 00:33:15,227 --> 00:33:17,672 not to drink the water. 684 00:33:17,696 --> 00:33:21,667 It seemed that they didn't know what the effects might be. 685 00:33:37,749 --> 00:33:40,195 - These are studies that are done in secrecy. 686 00:33:40,219 --> 00:33:42,564 They're not available to the public 687 00:33:42,588 --> 00:33:43,831 or the regulators to review. 688 00:33:43,855 --> 00:33:46,834 - Companies have had trade secrets for as long 689 00:33:46,858 --> 00:33:50,605 as they've been in business so that the competition 690 00:33:50,629 --> 00:33:53,808 wouldn't have access to their information. 691 00:33:53,832 --> 00:33:54,776 - [Cullen] But you don't have to look far 692 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:55,877 to find an example. 693 00:33:55,901 --> 00:33:59,647 According to the Safety Data Sheet of PPH, the second 694 00:33:59,671 --> 00:34:03,618 chemical on the spill, it's identity was withheld as a trade 695 00:34:03,642 --> 00:34:07,089 secret, but this is actually the norm. 696 00:34:07,113 --> 00:34:08,790 There's a government accountability report 697 00:34:08,814 --> 00:34:12,694 that revealed 95% of new chemicals contain 698 00:34:12,718 --> 00:34:16,531 some information claimed as confidential. 699 00:34:16,555 --> 00:34:17,555 95%. 700 00:34:18,490 --> 00:34:23,371 But MCHM was no longer confidential because Eastman. 701 00:34:23,395 --> 00:34:26,232 Chemical had released the studies. 702 00:34:27,266 --> 00:34:30,145 At least one thing stood out. 703 00:34:30,169 --> 00:34:32,747 There was a note from a lead researcher. 704 00:34:32,771 --> 00:34:35,717 It said that their first study of MCHM 705 00:34:35,741 --> 00:34:40,288 had bad rats, so the results were of limited value. 706 00:34:40,312 --> 00:34:44,792 And the rats had exhibited something called hematuria. 707 00:34:44,816 --> 00:34:48,154 It turns out the rats were peeing blood. 708 00:34:49,421 --> 00:34:53,592 Was it normal to blame undesirable results on the rats? 709 00:35:05,471 --> 00:35:07,306 What what do you mean? 710 00:35:12,844 --> 00:35:14,456 So you're a lawyer. 711 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:15,823 Who are you suing? 712 00:35:15,847 --> 00:35:16,848 - Everybody. 713 00:35:17,916 --> 00:35:20,562 The clinical finding in the lab notes 714 00:35:20,586 --> 00:35:22,864 that was never put in any report 715 00:35:22,888 --> 00:35:26,158 was not that there was just hematuria 716 00:35:27,226 --> 00:35:31,239 but that in some of the rats, the blood was actually 717 00:35:31,263 --> 00:35:33,775 green that was in the urine. 718 00:35:33,799 --> 00:35:35,843 - Where was this study because I didn't see it? 719 00:35:35,867 --> 00:35:38,780 - Well, you couldn't find that by looking at the study. 720 00:35:38,804 --> 00:35:42,217 You'd have to sue Eastman and get into the discovery 721 00:35:42,241 --> 00:35:45,344 process and then get their lab notes. 722 00:35:46,478 --> 00:35:49,857 [light instrumental music] 723 00:35:49,881 --> 00:35:52,760 [water splashes] 724 00:35:52,784 --> 00:35:54,264 - [Cullen] Are you looking for a spot? 725 00:35:54,288 --> 00:35:55,330 - Yeah, let's go. 726 00:35:55,354 --> 00:35:57,499 Hold onto your everything here. 727 00:35:57,523 --> 00:35:59,567 [engine revs] 728 00:35:59,591 --> 00:36:03,738 [light instrumental music] 729 00:36:03,762 --> 00:36:04,972 Here you go. 730 00:36:04,996 --> 00:36:06,374 People joke with me all the time. 731 00:36:06,398 --> 00:36:08,210 They know that I fish, and they'll say, oh, 732 00:36:08,234 --> 00:36:11,313 you catch any three-eyed fish out there? 733 00:36:11,337 --> 00:36:13,981 Oh, you catch some deformed ones every once in a while, 734 00:36:14,005 --> 00:36:15,205 but fish are just like people. 735 00:36:15,229 --> 00:36:17,419 - [Cullen] Any time I'm in this area, there's always 736 00:36:17,443 --> 00:36:18,720 that like sweet smell. 737 00:36:18,744 --> 00:36:19,721 Can you smell it? 738 00:36:19,745 --> 00:36:20,522 - Yeah. 739 00:36:20,546 --> 00:36:23,258 I forget what they make down there. 740 00:36:23,282 --> 00:36:24,592 - [Cullen] But they're permitted to dump a certain 741 00:36:24,616 --> 00:36:25,860 amount in here, right? 742 00:36:25,884 --> 00:36:26,661 That's how it works? 743 00:36:26,685 --> 00:36:28,230 - Yeah, they're permitted to dump 744 00:36:28,254 --> 00:36:29,614 a certain amount of certain things. 745 00:36:29,638 --> 00:36:31,533 You know, I don't know. 746 00:36:31,557 --> 00:36:34,769 No, they test their outfalls. 747 00:36:34,793 --> 00:36:37,772 They test what's in the outfalls, and then they report 748 00:36:37,796 --> 00:36:39,965 that to us once a quarter. 749 00:36:42,378 --> 00:36:43,378 That's a good question. 750 00:36:43,402 --> 00:36:46,013 How do I know if they're tellin' the truth? 751 00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:48,950 We've never, ever had that kind of problem 752 00:36:48,974 --> 00:36:50,985 'cause they typically will contract that out 753 00:36:51,009 --> 00:36:54,356 to a third party to come in and do the sampling, 754 00:36:54,380 --> 00:36:56,715 and then prepare the report. 755 00:36:58,484 --> 00:37:00,819 We'll look at their reports. 756 00:37:02,821 --> 00:37:05,300 - [Cullen] Later that night, I went to the EPA's website 757 00:37:05,324 --> 00:37:07,602 to see how many facilities his agency 758 00:37:07,626 --> 00:37:09,737 had actually inspected. 759 00:37:09,761 --> 00:37:14,409 Only 11, less than any other state, but while I was here 760 00:37:14,433 --> 00:37:17,712 I saw something that surprised me. 761 00:37:17,736 --> 00:37:21,549 There were huge numbers of violations in every state. 762 00:37:21,573 --> 00:37:23,985 The national average for facilities dumping more 763 00:37:24,009 --> 00:37:27,689 than they're supposed to was 38%. 764 00:37:27,713 --> 00:37:30,992 West Virginia was actually below the national average. 765 00:37:31,016 --> 00:37:35,530 The Clean Water Act requires a fine of not less 766 00:37:35,554 --> 00:37:39,391 than 2,500 dollars or more than 25,000 dollars 767 00:37:40,058 --> 00:37:44,472 per day of violation, so how much are companies 768 00:37:44,496 --> 00:37:46,798 actually being fined in total? 769 00:37:47,933 --> 00:37:50,745 Here's the average total fine in West Virginia. 770 00:37:50,769 --> 00:37:53,047 California was the highest. 771 00:37:53,071 --> 00:37:57,319 But in many states, the fine wasn't even above 772 00:37:57,343 --> 00:38:01,589 the required daily minimum of 2,500 dollars. 773 00:38:01,613 --> 00:38:05,893 In Illinois, the fine is less than a parking ticket. 774 00:38:05,917 --> 00:38:08,530 It made sense why weak enforcement might be happening 775 00:38:08,554 --> 00:38:11,098 in West Virginia, but I couldn't understand 776 00:38:11,122 --> 00:38:15,603 why it seemed to be happening everywhere else. 777 00:38:15,627 --> 00:38:18,606 - It's not a giant, but it's fish. [laughs] 778 00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:20,742 [light instrumental music] 779 00:38:20,766 --> 00:38:21,976 [computer keys click] 780 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,320 - [Cullen] It was the last day of the legislative calendar, 781 00:38:24,344 --> 00:38:26,155 and they were holding a vote on what was now 782 00:38:26,179 --> 00:38:28,750 colloquially known as the tank bill. 783 00:38:28,774 --> 00:38:30,885 If it passed, it would be the strongest piece 784 00:38:30,909 --> 00:38:33,755 of environmental legislation the state had seen 785 00:38:33,779 --> 00:38:34,922 in a generation. 786 00:38:34,946 --> 00:38:36,791 [light instrumental music] 787 00:38:36,815 --> 00:38:38,695 - Environmental pollution's really not a problem 788 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,929 when it doesn't affect you, but what happens if it does? 789 00:38:41,953 --> 00:38:43,898 - This sounds like a real fiimby issue. 790 00:38:43,922 --> 00:38:44,966 - What's fiimby? 791 00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:47,101 - [beeps] it's in my back yard. [audience laughs] 792 00:38:47,125 --> 00:38:50,705 - Concerned citizens comin' to the capitol to voice 793 00:38:50,729 --> 00:38:53,608 their opinion on the water situation in Charleston. 794 00:38:53,632 --> 00:38:56,944 Well, I was told [laughs] I wasn't allowed to sit 795 00:38:56,968 --> 00:38:58,813 on the floor, so I'm gonna sit up 796 00:38:58,837 --> 00:39:00,114 in the gallery with the people. 797 00:39:00,138 --> 00:39:03,518 - 59 days since our water was poisoned. 798 00:39:03,542 --> 00:39:06,921 This is the exclamation point on the end 799 00:39:06,945 --> 00:39:11,593 of our success in dealing with the water crisis this year. 800 00:39:11,617 --> 00:39:12,860 - The question now is on passage of the bill. 801 00:39:12,884 --> 00:39:13,928 All those in favor will vote green. 802 00:39:13,952 --> 00:39:15,232 All those opposed will vote red. 803 00:39:15,256 --> 00:39:16,130 Prepare the machine. 804 00:39:16,154 --> 00:39:17,131 [dings] 805 00:39:17,155 --> 00:39:20,959 [light instrumental music] 806 00:39:25,431 --> 00:39:26,951 - [Cullen] Near the stroke of midnight, 807 00:39:26,975 --> 00:39:29,577 the tank bill passed unanimously. 808 00:39:29,601 --> 00:39:31,045 [audience applauds] 809 00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:34,782 Incredibly, West Virginia had just become the first state 810 00:39:34,806 --> 00:39:37,151 to enact this type of a law. 811 00:39:37,175 --> 00:39:39,020 [audience applauds] 812 00:39:39,044 --> 00:39:40,364 - [Chris] It was down to the wire, 813 00:39:40,388 --> 00:39:41,956 but the process isn't done. 814 00:39:41,980 --> 00:39:44,025 It is for this legislative session, 815 00:39:44,049 --> 00:39:45,693 but there's next year as well. 816 00:39:45,717 --> 00:39:47,829 - It now goes from words to actual work 817 00:39:47,853 --> 00:39:50,898 that my department has to do. 818 00:39:50,922 --> 00:39:52,402 So there are a lot of tanks out there, 819 00:39:52,426 --> 00:39:56,764 and there's a lot of stuff in this bill that has to be done. 820 00:39:57,228 --> 00:39:58,440 No. 821 00:39:58,464 --> 00:40:01,633 [computer keys click] 822 00:40:05,070 --> 00:40:08,883 - Before I have questions, but today, 823 00:40:08,907 --> 00:40:10,427 based on the evidence, the information, 824 00:40:10,451 --> 00:40:12,186 the chemical levels of people's homes, 825 00:40:12,210 --> 00:40:14,680 the water is safe to drink. 826 00:40:16,782 --> 00:40:18,893 - [Cullen] The water no longer had a smell, 827 00:40:18,917 --> 00:40:22,888 and Dr. Whelton made his announcement to an empty room. 828 00:40:24,690 --> 00:40:26,701 [light instrumental music] 829 00:40:26,725 --> 00:40:30,004 It was fall of 20014, and the DEP had finished inspecting 830 00:40:30,028 --> 00:40:32,507 storage tanks across the state. 831 00:40:32,531 --> 00:40:35,577 They found 1,100 were in such bad shape, 832 00:40:35,601 --> 00:40:38,079 they had to be decommissioned. 833 00:40:38,103 --> 00:40:39,103 1,100. 834 00:40:40,806 --> 00:40:43,084 Was it this bad around the country? 835 00:40:43,108 --> 00:40:45,152 Maybe unregulated chemicals had been spilling 836 00:40:45,176 --> 00:40:48,956 with regularity, chemicals that you couldn't smell, 837 00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:52,259 and if that's the case, then Freedom Industries 838 00:40:52,283 --> 00:40:54,653 was just horribly unlucky. 839 00:40:55,754 --> 00:40:56,964 [light instrumental music] 840 00:40:56,988 --> 00:40:59,534 - [Reporter] Four former Freedom officers have been indicted 841 00:40:59,558 --> 00:41:01,202 by a federal grand jury. 842 00:41:01,226 --> 00:41:05,573 It's alleged the defendants violated the Clean Water Act. 843 00:41:05,597 --> 00:41:07,909 - [Reporter] According to the FBI, Southern lied 844 00:41:07,933 --> 00:41:09,243 about his role with the company 845 00:41:09,267 --> 00:41:11,012 prior to being named president. 846 00:41:11,036 --> 00:41:13,715 He now faces 30 years in prison. 847 00:41:13,739 --> 00:41:16,041 [engine revs] 848 00:41:19,845 --> 00:41:20,922 - Dr. Gupta. 849 00:41:20,946 --> 00:41:21,889 - [Dr. Gupta] Hey, how are ya? 850 00:41:21,913 --> 00:41:22,690 - It had been a full year since the crisis. 851 00:41:22,714 --> 00:41:25,627 Congratulations on your new role. 852 00:41:25,651 --> 00:41:26,561 - Thank you very much. 853 00:41:26,585 --> 00:41:28,162 - Dr. Gupta was now in charge of health 854 00:41:28,186 --> 00:41:29,931 for the entire state. 855 00:41:29,955 --> 00:41:32,600 Now, does this mean you're part of state government? 856 00:41:32,624 --> 00:41:35,102 - Yeah [laughs] yes. 857 00:41:35,126 --> 00:41:36,070 - [Cullen] What's that like? 858 00:41:36,094 --> 00:41:40,575 Things seemed good, almost better than good. 859 00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:43,645 That is until I sat him down for his interview. 860 00:41:43,669 --> 00:41:44,746 Something was off. 861 00:41:44,770 --> 00:41:48,816 - Of course, we've had since multiple developments, 862 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,252 positive developments, and I think we've been able 863 00:41:51,276 --> 00:41:54,822 to strengthen a number of things across in the state. 864 00:41:54,846 --> 00:41:58,125 We're working to further strengthen over the next year 865 00:41:58,149 --> 00:42:01,696 or two many more things that we have been even over 866 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:05,891 and above, on top of prior what we've done before. 867 00:42:07,759 --> 00:42:10,872 - [Cullen] Perhaps he couldn't speak freely 868 00:42:10,896 --> 00:42:14,866 because there was a government handler in the room. 869 00:42:32,127 --> 00:42:33,127 Right, right. 870 00:42:33,151 --> 00:42:35,129 You're not completely under the control of... 871 00:42:35,153 --> 00:42:36,297 - There you go. 872 00:42:36,321 --> 00:42:37,231 - The powers that be. 873 00:42:37,255 --> 00:42:38,132 - There you go. 874 00:42:38,156 --> 00:42:39,166 - Andy, I'm sorry. 875 00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:42,994 What exactly are you trying to say about MCHM? 876 00:42:50,736 --> 00:42:52,880 Does that mean that MCHM is twice as toxic 877 00:42:52,904 --> 00:42:55,006 as what Eastman reported? 878 00:43:12,090 --> 00:43:15,894 That throws the whole system into question. 879 00:43:19,865 --> 00:43:22,276 If the science was this wrong with one chemical, 880 00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:25,012 science that's usually confidential, 881 00:43:25,036 --> 00:43:27,281 what were the odds that companies were fabricating 882 00:43:27,305 --> 00:43:30,141 safety data on a far larger scale? 883 00:43:31,142 --> 00:43:34,355 And how are they getting away with it? 884 00:43:34,379 --> 00:43:37,959 - The water doesn't smell like licorice anymore. 885 00:43:37,983 --> 00:43:40,862 And people have resumed their normal lives. 886 00:43:40,886 --> 00:43:43,364 Lobbyists have had a year to really plot and plan. 887 00:43:43,388 --> 00:43:45,900 They were very, very quiet last year, 888 00:43:45,924 --> 00:43:47,769 and that was strategic. 889 00:43:47,793 --> 00:43:50,113 - [Cullen] Perhaps this meant that there was an opportunity 890 00:43:50,137 --> 00:43:52,206 to see who really controls chemical policies 891 00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:54,232 and the safety of water. 892 00:43:55,066 --> 00:43:57,178 So what's up with the tank bill? 893 00:43:57,202 --> 00:43:59,013 - So a year goes by. 894 00:43:59,037 --> 00:44:02,049 Now, people are saying well, maybe we should 895 00:44:02,073 --> 00:44:04,385 go back and revisit it. 896 00:44:04,409 --> 00:44:07,154 It basically undoes all that was done last year, 897 00:44:07,178 --> 00:44:09,724 and it makes any kind of a regulatory framework 898 00:44:09,748 --> 00:44:11,993 for tanks irrelevant and meaningless. 899 00:44:12,017 --> 00:44:13,928 - Who are the groups then that are behind this? 900 00:44:13,952 --> 00:44:17,122 - Nobody wants their name on the bill. 901 00:44:17,989 --> 00:44:21,969 You can almost figure it out when you look 902 00:44:21,993 --> 00:44:25,840 at the legislation and see who benefits most from it. 903 00:44:25,864 --> 00:44:26,908 That tells you a lot. 904 00:44:26,932 --> 00:44:31,102 The bill specifically said just because your oil 905 00:44:32,771 --> 00:44:35,049 and gas related means you're exempt. 906 00:44:35,073 --> 00:44:37,885 There was no other scientific research behind it. 907 00:44:37,909 --> 00:44:40,254 - Do you think that what happened last year 908 00:44:40,278 --> 00:44:41,923 changed you at all? 909 00:44:41,947 --> 00:44:42,924 - Yeah, I think so. 910 00:44:42,948 --> 00:44:46,794 It changed not just me, maybe it was just me. 911 00:44:46,818 --> 00:44:48,462 Maybe my perspective is what's changed, 912 00:44:48,486 --> 00:44:53,000 but it got some people at the table, citizen activists. 913 00:44:53,024 --> 00:44:56,470 Their idea is not to change this philosophical change 914 00:44:56,494 --> 00:44:59,073 in the world, but it's about dealing with practical 915 00:44:59,097 --> 00:45:02,977 issues such as keeping your water clean. 916 00:45:03,001 --> 00:45:03,811 Yes, sir. 917 00:45:03,835 --> 00:45:04,812 Yes, sir. 918 00:45:04,836 --> 00:45:06,047 1:15, I'll see you up there. 919 00:45:06,071 --> 00:45:10,117 You guys just missed the governor walking out. 920 00:45:10,141 --> 00:45:12,987 - Do you mind taking a camera with you? 921 00:45:13,011 --> 00:45:14,989 Then you just hit this on the side. 922 00:45:15,013 --> 00:45:16,523 - And it videos. 923 00:45:16,547 --> 00:45:19,894 - [Cullen] There had been a massive train derailment. 924 00:45:19,918 --> 00:45:22,997 At least 18 tankers had spilled oil into the river. 925 00:45:23,021 --> 00:45:27,192 It seemed like a bad time to try to undo last year's bill. 926 00:45:29,094 --> 00:45:31,906 So my understanding is that there is an effort to remove 927 00:45:31,930 --> 00:45:35,142 at least 99% of all the tanks from needing to be inspected. 928 00:45:35,166 --> 00:45:38,212 - There's such a huge influx of so many lobbyist groups 929 00:45:38,236 --> 00:45:40,915 behind individual members. 930 00:45:40,939 --> 00:45:44,919 Until I learn more about it, I can't speak to what the bill 931 00:45:44,943 --> 00:45:48,022 completely will do, but it doesn't look good. 932 00:45:48,046 --> 00:45:49,566 - [Cullen] The lobbyists hovered around 933 00:45:49,590 --> 00:45:51,959 the center of the capitol. 934 00:45:54,319 --> 00:45:56,898 Are you guys oil and gas, or are you something else? 935 00:45:56,922 --> 00:45:57,899 - I'm city. 936 00:45:57,923 --> 00:45:59,163 - You are filming us right now. 937 00:45:59,187 --> 00:45:59,801 Hi. 938 00:45:59,825 --> 00:46:01,803 You can cut it please, thank you. 939 00:46:01,827 --> 00:46:06,007 - I represent a series of businesses, oil and gas, 940 00:46:06,031 --> 00:46:08,900 manufacturing, larger employers. 941 00:46:10,035 --> 00:46:11,715 - [Cullen] So were you involved in drafting 942 00:46:11,739 --> 00:46:12,980 the legislation at all? 943 00:46:13,004 --> 00:46:13,981 - No. 944 00:46:14,005 --> 00:46:15,165 - [Cullen] Who would that be? 945 00:46:15,189 --> 00:46:17,358 - That's a great question. 946 00:46:21,546 --> 00:46:24,425 And I have not seen her here today. 947 00:46:24,449 --> 00:46:26,409 - [Cullen] Even the Democratic Senator who created 948 00:46:26,433 --> 00:46:29,931 the original tank bill was now supporting the gutting of it. 949 00:46:29,955 --> 00:46:32,099 I read through the piece of legislation that there's 950 00:46:32,123 --> 00:46:34,068 no third party inspection. 951 00:46:34,092 --> 00:46:35,169 There's no anything. 952 00:46:35,193 --> 00:46:37,153 - You assume that everybody are telling the truth, 953 00:46:37,177 --> 00:46:39,406 but every once in a while, the IRS will audit you. 954 00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:43,878 - If I cheat on my taxes, 300,000 people. 955 00:46:43,902 --> 00:46:47,281 - So this was a bill that was introduced by industry folks. 956 00:46:47,305 --> 00:46:48,785 - [Cullen] Speaking of industry folks, 957 00:46:48,809 --> 00:46:51,085 what did Rebecca Randolph send you? 958 00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:52,086 - Oh, I don't know. 959 00:46:52,110 --> 00:46:53,087 You can have it. 960 00:46:53,111 --> 00:46:55,556 - 100 years of the West Virginia Manufacturer's, 961 00:46:55,580 --> 00:46:57,124 oh, Swiss chocolates. 962 00:46:57,148 --> 00:46:58,259 - [John] Oh, that's nice. 963 00:46:58,283 --> 00:47:00,363 - Aren't they the most powerful of all the lobbyists? 964 00:47:00,387 --> 00:47:03,230 - Private Coal Association also has a lot of say. 965 00:47:03,254 --> 00:47:05,299 - Any way you need to contact her, it's right here. 966 00:47:05,323 --> 00:47:07,869 Maybe I'll keep this one. 967 00:47:07,893 --> 00:47:11,172 The derailment had forced American Water to shut down 968 00:47:11,196 --> 00:47:13,531 one of its treatment plants. 969 00:47:15,066 --> 00:47:17,011 It refused all of my interview requests, 970 00:47:17,035 --> 00:47:19,080 so it was a rare opportunity to find out 971 00:47:19,104 --> 00:47:22,016 their stance on these changes. 972 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,160 - I think that any attempts right now to try to weaken 973 00:47:24,184 --> 00:47:27,354 water protections, especially with events like this 974 00:47:27,378 --> 00:47:30,124 and last year's event being so fresh in people's mind, 975 00:47:30,148 --> 00:47:34,152 I can't imagine anyone being on board with that. 976 00:47:35,153 --> 00:47:37,353 - [Cullen] The Manufacturers' Association is a coalition 977 00:47:37,377 --> 00:47:41,302 of businesses who lobby for their shared interests. 978 00:47:41,326 --> 00:47:45,496 It includes chemical companies like DuPont, Dow, and Bayer. 979 00:47:46,431 --> 00:47:50,644 But there was one name on this list I didn't expect. 980 00:47:50,668 --> 00:47:54,015 It seemed that the water company was putting their 981 00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:58,019 bottom line before the safety of their only product. 982 00:47:58,043 --> 00:48:01,446 [light instrumental music] 983 00:48:04,059 --> 00:48:05,059 You have a new job. 984 00:48:05,083 --> 00:48:06,763 You have nine other people working for you, 985 00:48:06,787 --> 00:48:09,130 and the stakes are really high, so in you're 986 00:48:09,154 --> 00:48:11,098 in a very different political environment. 987 00:48:11,122 --> 00:48:14,068 But why not try and protect this regulation? 988 00:48:14,092 --> 00:48:17,671 - There's plenty of folks out there that can do that. 989 00:48:17,695 --> 00:48:20,174 I cannot afford to do it. 990 00:48:20,198 --> 00:48:21,708 Here's my responsibility and my role, 991 00:48:21,732 --> 00:48:24,078 and I intend to fully do that. 992 00:48:24,102 --> 00:48:27,514 It's very important that we keep scientific evidence 993 00:48:27,538 --> 00:48:30,617 in front and center of every policy-making 994 00:48:30,641 --> 00:48:33,620 and not go in reverse because that's exactly 995 00:48:33,644 --> 00:48:38,016 what some of the times the other side is trying to do. 996 00:48:49,127 --> 00:48:51,438 - We've got a lab just had to shut down because they had 997 00:48:51,462 --> 00:48:55,166 a lab person admit to fabricating results, 998 00:48:57,168 --> 00:48:59,981 fabricating the same analytical data you're talking about 999 00:49:00,005 --> 00:49:02,016 that they're supposed to self report. 1000 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,085 They were doing tests for a lot of coal companies 1001 00:49:04,109 --> 00:49:05,186 and other folks. 1002 00:49:05,210 --> 00:49:08,155 I don't know who the ones were for 1003 00:49:08,179 --> 00:49:10,091 that they actually fabricated. 1004 00:49:10,115 --> 00:49:12,259 I don't know the specifics on that. 1005 00:49:12,283 --> 00:49:14,243 But the bottom line it doesn't matter is it brings 1006 00:49:14,267 --> 00:49:18,438 into question the integrity of the whole operation. 1007 00:49:20,091 --> 00:49:22,036 - So you gonna run for governor in two years. 1008 00:49:22,060 --> 00:49:25,206 - I'm gonna run from the capitol, not to the capitol. 1009 00:49:25,230 --> 00:49:27,108 - [Cullen] I was trying to find 1010 00:49:27,132 --> 00:49:28,709 Rebecca Randolph obviously today. 1011 00:49:28,733 --> 00:49:29,543 She wasn't in. 1012 00:49:29,567 --> 00:49:30,511 Do you think she'll be in tomorrow? 1013 00:49:30,535 --> 00:49:33,314 - [Randy] There's a bill up at two o'clock. 1014 00:49:33,338 --> 00:49:34,315 - [Cullen] Like a stakeholder's meeting? 1015 00:49:34,339 --> 00:49:37,618 - [Randy] Yeah, I know she'll be here for that. 1016 00:49:37,642 --> 00:49:39,402 - So right behind me in the corner over there 1017 00:49:39,426 --> 00:49:41,022 a stakeholders meeting is going on. 1018 00:49:41,046 --> 00:49:43,090 And I don't know who all's involved in this, 1019 00:49:43,114 --> 00:49:45,792 but we've been told that Rebecca from the Manufacturer's. 1020 00:49:45,816 --> 00:49:48,095 Association is there along with anyone 1021 00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:51,165 who is considered a stakeholder to the state. 1022 00:49:51,189 --> 00:49:54,559 [light instrumental music] 1023 00:49:57,528 --> 00:49:59,406 I'm just gonna go in. 1024 00:49:59,430 --> 00:50:03,201 [light instrumental music] 1025 00:50:06,688 --> 00:50:10,534 - So it's similar to the language on page 18, 1026 00:50:10,558 --> 00:50:12,503 but a little bit different. 1027 00:50:12,527 --> 00:50:13,471 - [Cullen] I couldn't believe it. 1028 00:50:13,495 --> 00:50:16,540 Every major lobbying group was in that room 1029 00:50:16,564 --> 00:50:20,010 rewriting the tank bill in front of me. 1030 00:50:20,034 --> 00:50:22,746 - I mean, I hear everyone on how they're already 1031 00:50:22,770 --> 00:50:24,715 regulated and maybe that's good enough. 1032 00:50:24,739 --> 00:50:27,250 What else could have been done to minimize the risk 1033 00:50:27,274 --> 00:50:29,987 in the Freedom thing and to me, it goes back 1034 00:50:30,011 --> 00:50:32,923 to certification and inspection process. 1035 00:50:32,947 --> 00:50:34,124 - What's wrong? 1036 00:50:34,148 --> 00:50:36,560 I mean, where do you guys see the issue 1037 00:50:36,584 --> 00:50:37,561 with what we're already covering though? 1038 00:50:37,585 --> 00:50:39,505 - Had that been going on for some period of time, 1039 00:50:39,529 --> 00:50:43,200 years, that leak would've never happened. 1040 00:50:43,224 --> 00:50:44,784 - [Cullen] Randy seemed to be putting up 1041 00:50:44,808 --> 00:50:46,677 a pretty good fight. 1042 00:50:52,534 --> 00:50:54,144 - The more hazardous or dangerous it is, 1043 00:50:54,168 --> 00:50:56,547 then it needs to be included in level one. 1044 00:50:56,571 --> 00:50:58,281 - We don't think that's workable for us. 1045 00:50:58,305 --> 00:51:00,250 - We're already covered under 1046 00:51:00,274 --> 00:51:02,986 adequate stringent regulations. 1047 00:51:03,010 --> 00:51:05,288 - That's not gonna work, guys. 1048 00:51:05,312 --> 00:51:06,323 I'm just tellin' y'all. 1049 00:51:06,347 --> 00:51:07,190 We'll go back to a groundwork for an exemption 1050 00:51:07,214 --> 00:51:09,593 to coal mining operation and individual. 1051 00:51:09,617 --> 00:51:11,417 - [Lobbyist] I think we've done all the damage 1052 00:51:11,441 --> 00:51:12,418 we can do today. 1053 00:51:12,442 --> 00:51:13,296 [laughs] 1054 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:14,480 - [Cullen] There you have it. 1055 00:51:14,504 --> 00:51:18,268 That's a how a law is weakened beyond recognition. 1056 00:51:18,292 --> 00:51:21,238 But where had these changes come from in the first place? 1057 00:51:21,262 --> 00:51:22,840 Rebecca? 1058 00:51:22,864 --> 00:51:24,241 Hi, Cullen Hoback. 1059 00:51:24,265 --> 00:51:25,175 - Oh, hi. 1060 00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:26,759 - I've been trying to get a hold of you. 1061 00:51:26,783 --> 00:51:28,943 Were you relevant in terms of crafting the bill itself? 1062 00:51:28,967 --> 00:51:31,087 - I mean, we had some input. 1063 00:51:31,806 --> 00:51:33,884 Candidly what I'm gonna tell you on camera, 1064 00:51:33,908 --> 00:51:36,787 I mean, is that our folks will be the first ones 1065 00:51:36,811 --> 00:51:38,822 to get in line to do what's necessary 1066 00:51:38,846 --> 00:51:42,192 when considering protection of the resource 1067 00:51:42,216 --> 00:51:43,827 that we're trying to protect. 1068 00:51:43,851 --> 00:51:45,563 - Are you going to work to change the bill 1069 00:51:45,587 --> 00:51:47,547 from its current form to make it so it covers more 1070 00:51:47,571 --> 00:51:49,332 of the tanks that are out there? 1071 00:51:49,356 --> 00:51:52,803 'Cause like right now it just literally undoes last year. 1072 00:51:52,827 --> 00:51:56,640 - I don't, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that. 1073 00:51:56,664 --> 00:51:58,733 [laughs] 1074 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,025 - [Cullen] It was once again the last day of session, 1075 00:52:15,049 --> 00:52:17,828 and they were about to vote on changing the tank bill. 1076 00:52:17,852 --> 00:52:19,854 [dings] 1077 00:52:22,189 --> 00:52:25,368 The bill had been undone with little fanfare. 1078 00:52:25,392 --> 00:52:29,807 Another Freedom Industries was primed to happen again. 1079 00:52:29,831 --> 00:52:31,041 Senator Hall? 1080 00:52:31,065 --> 00:52:32,042 - Yes. 1081 00:52:32,066 --> 00:52:34,645 - [Cullen] Are you the lead sponsor on SB423? 1082 00:52:34,669 --> 00:52:35,646 - Yes, I was. 1083 00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:38,816 - Did you write the bill, or... 1084 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:39,817 - No, I didn't write. 1085 00:52:39,841 --> 00:52:41,081 I mean, the attorneys wrote it. 1086 00:52:41,105 --> 00:52:44,021 - [Cullen] Whose attorneys wrote it? 1087 00:52:44,045 --> 00:52:45,405 - Well, shoot, I mean, it was done, 1088 00:52:45,429 --> 00:52:48,025 I can't even tell ya. 1089 00:52:48,049 --> 00:52:51,294 The Manufacturer's Association, I don't know. 1090 00:52:51,318 --> 00:52:52,362 I don't know who did it. 1091 00:52:52,386 --> 00:52:54,331 - But surely someone came to you with the bill, 1092 00:52:54,355 --> 00:52:58,936 and they said, would you be the lead sponsor on this? 1093 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,304 - People from the Manufacturer's Association did. 1094 00:53:01,328 --> 00:53:04,107 What's your interest in knowing who gave me the bill? 1095 00:53:04,131 --> 00:53:06,877 - Well, I've just been following the water crisis 1096 00:53:06,901 --> 00:53:07,945 from the beginning. 1097 00:53:07,969 --> 00:53:08,946 - Okay. 1098 00:53:08,970 --> 00:53:09,913 - And so because the bill... 1099 00:53:09,937 --> 00:53:11,617 - Well, let me tell you what I tell people. 1100 00:53:11,641 --> 00:53:13,150 Somebody else got a speeding ticket, 1101 00:53:13,174 --> 00:53:14,652 and everybody else got a fine. 1102 00:53:14,676 --> 00:53:16,353 That's the way I view it. 1103 00:53:16,377 --> 00:53:17,855 That's it. 1104 00:53:17,879 --> 00:53:21,091 You know, it just gave an opportunity 1105 00:53:21,115 --> 00:53:24,027 for people to come in and just cause all sorts 1106 00:53:24,051 --> 00:53:27,698 of regulatory problems for us that weren't necessary. 1107 00:53:27,722 --> 00:53:30,300 So I'm happy 473 passed. 1108 00:53:30,324 --> 00:53:32,803 I'm glad my name is on the top. 1109 00:53:32,827 --> 00:53:33,871 - It's not a bad bill. 1110 00:53:33,895 --> 00:53:35,338 It's a good bill. 1111 00:53:35,362 --> 00:53:36,339 - [Cullen] The guy didn't even know the number 1112 00:53:36,363 --> 00:53:37,841 of his own bill. 1113 00:53:37,865 --> 00:53:39,366 It's 423, not 473. 1114 00:53:41,235 --> 00:53:43,681 Maybe it's because he didn't write the bill. 1115 00:53:43,705 --> 00:53:46,416 It was the Manufacturer's Association. 1116 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,219 Maybe he should be fist-bumping them. 1117 00:53:49,243 --> 00:53:53,456 Industry wasn't just undermining laws that protect water. 1118 00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,694 They were literally writing them. 1119 00:53:56,718 --> 00:54:00,187 Just how far did this kind of control reach? 1120 00:54:02,724 --> 00:54:06,928 - [Andy] Did you see what hit the news the other day, right? 1121 00:54:19,006 --> 00:54:21,852 - Well, I mean, I know I was bathing in it 1122 00:54:21,876 --> 00:54:24,345 for those two and a half months. 1123 00:54:31,819 --> 00:54:32,920 - [Chris] Hi. 1124 00:54:34,288 --> 00:54:35,465 - [Mrs. Walters] Come here. 1125 00:54:35,489 --> 00:54:36,633 Let's get a snack. 1126 00:54:36,657 --> 00:54:38,817 - [Cullen] Did you look at the stuff that the National. 1127 00:54:38,841 --> 00:54:40,103 Toxicology Program released? 1128 00:54:40,127 --> 00:54:41,805 - I didn't. 1129 00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:44,174 - [Cullen] Well, one thing they ended up saying about MCHM 1130 00:54:44,198 --> 00:54:47,434 is that it could cause reproductive harm. 1131 00:54:48,502 --> 00:54:50,814 - His muscle development was a little off, but... 1132 00:54:50,838 --> 00:54:52,518 - [Cullen] The symptoms associate with that 1133 00:54:52,542 --> 00:54:53,884 are developmental. 1134 00:54:53,908 --> 00:54:57,087 - Yeah, that's crazy actually. 1135 00:54:57,111 --> 00:54:58,255 That's weird. 1136 00:54:58,279 --> 00:55:02,416 But he's fine now, but he was about six months behind 1137 00:55:04,118 --> 00:55:07,288 in muscle development for a while, so. 1138 00:55:08,222 --> 00:55:10,000 - You know, we were worried, and we of course 1139 00:55:10,024 --> 00:55:12,402 had that in the back of our mind that, 1140 00:55:12,426 --> 00:55:13,971 there was no medical monitoring. 1141 00:55:13,995 --> 00:55:15,555 There was no doctor visits that happened 1142 00:55:15,579 --> 00:55:18,475 every single year to check in or anything like that 1143 00:55:18,499 --> 00:55:21,102 to show, I guess, a conclusion. 1144 00:55:30,011 --> 00:55:31,488 - [Cullen] On your data? 1145 00:55:31,512 --> 00:55:35,216 The study proving MCHM was twice as toxic? 1146 00:55:54,235 --> 00:55:55,478 [light instrumental music] 1147 00:55:55,502 --> 00:55:57,347 But why would the CDC go out of their way 1148 00:55:57,371 --> 00:56:00,007 to hide the truth about MCHM? 1149 00:56:00,908 --> 00:56:02,443 It didn't make sense. 1150 00:56:05,312 --> 00:56:08,883 [light instrumental music] 1151 00:56:17,491 --> 00:56:20,127 [water runs] 1152 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,447 January of 2016, it's when the international spotlight 1153 00:56:30,471 --> 00:56:32,449 turned towards the lead contamination 1154 00:56:32,473 --> 00:56:35,986 in the drinking water of Flint, Michigan. 1155 00:56:36,010 --> 00:56:39,422 - It used to be cars were made in Flint, 1156 00:56:39,446 --> 00:56:43,293 and you couldn't drink the water in Mexico. 1157 00:56:43,317 --> 00:56:46,087 Now, the cars are made in Mexico, 1158 00:56:47,288 --> 00:56:50,524 and you can't drink the water in Flint. 1159 00:56:51,959 --> 00:56:54,171 - [Mom] It makes you feel bad as a parent to know 1160 00:56:54,195 --> 00:56:57,975 that you've been poisoning your child all this time. 1161 00:56:57,999 --> 00:56:59,476 Why are you worrying? 1162 00:56:59,500 --> 00:57:00,500 - Because. 1163 00:57:01,202 --> 00:57:02,412 - Can you tell them why? 1164 00:57:02,436 --> 00:57:06,283 - I'm afraid it's not gonna be fixed. 1165 00:57:06,307 --> 00:57:08,588 - We're gonna have problems with kids in special education 1166 00:57:08,612 --> 00:57:12,055 services, cognition, behavioral problems, focusing. 1167 00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:13,656 - [Cullen] It was a shot in the dark, 1168 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,993 but maybe this contamination held the key 1169 00:57:16,017 --> 00:57:18,561 to opening up this story. 1170 00:57:18,585 --> 00:57:21,264 - A lot of people in Flint have lead pipe like this 1171 00:57:21,288 --> 00:57:23,934 going from the water main that runs down the street 1172 00:57:23,958 --> 00:57:25,435 into their homes. [audience applauds] 1173 00:57:25,459 --> 00:57:26,899 Scientists from Virginia Tech came up 1174 00:57:26,923 --> 00:57:28,305 to test the water in Flint. 1175 00:57:28,329 --> 00:57:30,941 - The corrosive water actually ate up every 1176 00:57:30,965 --> 00:57:33,076 metallic pipe in the system. 1177 00:57:33,100 --> 00:57:34,477 - [Rachel Maddow] Government officials it turns out, 1178 00:57:34,501 --> 00:57:35,512 did know about the lead. 1179 00:57:35,536 --> 00:57:38,515 - We are fully cooperating with investigations 1180 00:57:38,539 --> 00:57:41,151 and will hold those individuals accountable. 1181 00:57:41,175 --> 00:57:44,554 - [Cullen] Unlike MCHM, lead doesn't have an odor. 1182 00:57:44,578 --> 00:57:47,690 This had enabled officials to cover this up 1183 00:57:47,714 --> 00:57:49,516 for over two years. 1184 00:57:56,257 --> 00:57:58,201 But I had a hard time that officials 1185 00:57:58,225 --> 00:58:00,437 would knowingly poison 8,000 kids 1186 00:58:00,461 --> 00:58:03,273 just to save a few bucks on water. 1187 00:58:03,297 --> 00:58:05,432 [wind hums] 1188 00:58:08,702 --> 00:58:12,482 - The parts per billion in her house was over 13,000. 1189 00:58:12,506 --> 00:58:14,151 13,000. 1190 00:58:14,175 --> 00:58:15,685 I've never seen a level that high. 1191 00:58:15,709 --> 00:58:19,522 And the state removed her house from the sampling protocol. 1192 00:58:19,546 --> 00:58:21,524 Like, where are the red flags that were going off 1193 00:58:21,548 --> 00:58:22,492 in people's brains? 1194 00:58:22,516 --> 00:58:25,162 - [Cullen] Dr. Mona Hanna-Attisha is one of 1195 00:58:25,186 --> 00:58:28,598 two main people that brought this contamination to light. 1196 00:58:28,622 --> 00:58:30,500 She looked at the blood results of more than 1197 00:58:30,524 --> 00:58:31,668 1,700 children from Flint. 1198 00:58:31,692 --> 00:58:34,371 - So we were attacked. 1199 00:58:34,395 --> 00:58:37,340 The state said I was causing near hysteria. 1200 00:58:37,364 --> 00:58:39,642 That their numbers were not consistent with our numbers. 1201 00:58:39,666 --> 00:58:41,578 When the state tells you you're wrong, it's hard 1202 00:58:41,602 --> 00:58:42,512 not to second-guess yourself. 1203 00:58:42,536 --> 00:58:44,547 They have a team of 50 epidemiologists. 1204 00:58:44,571 --> 00:58:46,183 You're supposed to sample from homes 1205 00:58:46,207 --> 00:58:47,350 that have lead plumbing. 1206 00:58:47,374 --> 00:58:49,534 They sampled from homes that didn't have lead plumbing, 1207 00:58:49,558 --> 00:58:51,554 so there was a lot of kind of manipulations 1208 00:58:51,578 --> 00:58:55,525 of how the water lead levels were being done. 1209 00:58:55,549 --> 00:58:59,129 So it continued the almost two years of denial, denial. 1210 00:58:59,153 --> 00:59:00,597 There's a problem. 1211 00:59:00,621 --> 00:59:02,465 - [Cullen] I was reminded of the CDC refusing. 1212 00:59:02,489 --> 00:59:04,534 Dr. Whelton's results. 1213 00:59:04,558 --> 00:59:09,006 Why were these agencies covering up the facts? 1214 00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:11,141 What's strange is that it didn't even seem like 1215 00:59:11,165 --> 00:59:12,742 the politicians were in on it. 1216 00:59:12,766 --> 00:59:16,513 Here's the governor of Michigan testifying before Congress. 1217 00:59:16,537 --> 00:59:18,648 - We'd go back to the experts over and over again. 1218 00:59:18,672 --> 00:59:21,218 We were told the water was safe. 1219 00:59:21,242 --> 00:59:22,585 That was wrong. 1220 00:59:22,609 --> 00:59:24,421 It wasn't just one department. 1221 00:59:24,445 --> 00:59:26,285 As it continued on, we got information not only 1222 00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:28,558 from the DEQ but the Department of Health 1223 00:59:28,582 --> 00:59:30,102 and Human Services that they didn't see 1224 00:59:30,126 --> 00:59:31,761 elevated levels in blood. 1225 00:59:31,785 --> 00:59:33,745 - [Cullen] These departments that he's describing, 1226 00:59:33,769 --> 00:59:36,066 they're analogs to the ones that Randy Huffman 1227 00:59:36,090 --> 00:59:37,634 and Dr. Gupta run. 1228 00:59:37,658 --> 00:59:39,536 - Here's my briefing from the night before, 1229 00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,504 and it's information from both those departments 1230 00:59:41,528 --> 00:59:43,640 dismissing people. 1231 00:59:43,664 --> 00:59:46,543 I get so mad that I never should have believed them. 1232 00:59:46,567 --> 00:59:48,511 So we had cases where it took outside experts. 1233 00:59:48,535 --> 00:59:49,535 That's tragic. 1234 00:59:50,637 --> 00:59:51,714 - So this is scary. 1235 00:59:51,738 --> 00:59:55,585 You've got reproductive toxins, some cancer hazards. 1236 00:59:55,609 --> 00:59:57,320 - [Cullen] Well, at least they're labeled. 1237 00:59:57,344 --> 00:59:58,188 - Yeah. 1238 00:59:58,212 --> 01:00:01,415 DC prepared me and my team for Flint. 1239 01:00:03,484 --> 01:00:06,596 - [Cullen] Dr. Marc Edwards, outside expert 1240 01:00:06,620 --> 01:00:08,365 in Flint, number two. 1241 01:00:08,389 --> 01:00:10,467 It turns out this wasn't even the first time 1242 01:00:10,491 --> 01:00:13,503 he had gone toe to toe with federal agencies 1243 01:00:13,527 --> 01:00:15,338 over lead in drinking water. 1244 01:00:15,362 --> 01:00:18,741 - I had fought a 12 year battle in Washington DC 1245 01:00:18,765 --> 01:00:22,812 exposing government science agency corruption. 1246 01:00:22,836 --> 01:00:25,715 The Center for Disease Control, the USEPA, 1247 01:00:25,739 --> 01:00:27,817 the environmental policemen we pay to protect us 1248 01:00:27,841 --> 01:00:31,088 were actually the environmental criminals. 1249 01:00:31,112 --> 01:00:33,256 I mean, I know longer trust the CDC. 1250 01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:34,191 Why? 1251 01:00:34,215 --> 01:00:37,227 Because the upper levels of CDC is proving 1252 01:00:37,251 --> 01:00:40,097 themselves untrustworthy to me. 1253 01:00:40,121 --> 01:00:44,134 The amount of harm in Washington DC is 30 times worse 1254 01:00:44,158 --> 01:00:46,236 than what happened in Flint, Michigan. 1255 01:00:46,260 --> 01:00:48,571 They poisoned thousands of children, 1256 01:00:48,595 --> 01:00:52,109 covered it up for about seven years. 1257 01:00:52,133 --> 01:00:55,545 I had to betray some of my best friends, people I went 1258 01:00:55,569 --> 01:00:58,615 to graduate school with, who were working with the EPA 1259 01:00:58,639 --> 01:01:01,584 and creating fabricated reports. 1260 01:01:01,608 --> 01:01:03,853 - Who is creating that culture? 1261 01:01:03,877 --> 01:01:05,488 Is it lobbyists? 1262 01:01:05,512 --> 01:01:07,032 Is it the politicians who appoint them? 1263 01:01:07,056 --> 01:01:11,627 - Well, how could the Catholic church do what it did? 1264 01:01:12,653 --> 01:01:15,398 Make it in your interest to engage in unethical behavior 1265 01:01:15,422 --> 01:01:17,834 to cover up problems, and if you can get away with it, 1266 01:01:17,858 --> 01:01:19,493 you will do that. 1267 01:01:20,412 --> 01:01:22,172 Ultimately, there was a Congressional hearing 1268 01:01:22,196 --> 01:01:24,441 where they were chastised publicly, 1269 01:01:24,465 --> 01:01:26,543 but no one was ever held accountable. 1270 01:01:26,567 --> 01:01:28,527 - [Cullen] It seemed history was repeating itself. 1271 01:01:28,551 --> 01:01:31,314 Here's the head of the EPA at the Congressional 1272 01:01:31,338 --> 01:01:33,316 hearing about Flint. 1273 01:01:33,340 --> 01:01:36,819 - [Mr. Chaffetz] Has anybody been fired? 1274 01:01:36,843 --> 01:01:38,555 That's a question. 1275 01:01:38,579 --> 01:01:39,556 - No, sir. 1276 01:01:39,580 --> 01:01:42,392 - Has anybody been dismissed? 1277 01:01:42,416 --> 01:01:43,393 - No, sir. 1278 01:01:43,417 --> 01:01:46,429 - EPA covered this up every step of the way. 1279 01:01:46,453 --> 01:01:51,168 They will protect their reputation above all else. 1280 01:01:51,192 --> 01:01:53,170 - Oversight was our responsibility. 1281 01:01:53,194 --> 01:01:55,772 We took that seriously, and we conducted it. 1282 01:01:55,796 --> 01:01:57,640 Does that mean I don't have regrets? 1283 01:01:57,664 --> 01:01:59,942 - One heroic employee there, he wrote a memo 1284 01:01:59,966 --> 01:02:03,346 that said EPA should exert emergency powers. 1285 01:02:03,370 --> 01:02:05,748 - [Cullen] But in response, he was told that they weren't 1286 01:02:05,772 --> 01:02:08,485 sure Flint was the kind of community they wanted 1287 01:02:08,509 --> 01:02:10,653 to go out on a limb for. 1288 01:02:10,677 --> 01:02:14,957 And so this EPA official was ignored over and over again. 1289 01:02:14,981 --> 01:02:17,727 He was so fed up that after 27 years of working 1290 01:02:17,751 --> 01:02:20,563 for the EPA, he had this to say. 1291 01:02:20,587 --> 01:02:22,587 "People trying to do the right thing are constantly 1292 01:02:22,611 --> 01:02:25,602 "being subjected to intense scrutiny as if we were 1293 01:02:25,626 --> 01:02:27,570 "doing something wrong." 1294 01:02:27,594 --> 01:02:30,207 "It's all of this, don't find anything bad crap" 1295 01:02:30,231 --> 01:02:33,543 "at EPA that's the reason I desperately want to leave." 1296 01:02:33,567 --> 01:02:35,436 "EPA is a cesspool." 1297 01:02:36,837 --> 01:02:39,516 This would explain why in the months after Flint 1298 01:02:39,540 --> 01:02:42,619 when other communities tested their water systems, 1299 01:02:42,643 --> 01:02:46,323 it turned out that Flint was just the tip of the iceberg. 1300 01:02:46,347 --> 01:02:48,458 - Pittsburghers are likely drinking water laced 1301 01:02:48,482 --> 01:02:49,626 with toxic lead. 1302 01:02:49,650 --> 01:02:51,850 - Chicago parks shut off hundreds of drinking fountains. 1303 01:02:51,874 --> 01:02:53,630 - [Reporter] The water in Garfield, Texas. 1304 01:02:53,654 --> 01:02:55,398 - 10% of Portland homes. 1305 01:02:55,422 --> 01:02:58,235 - All drinking fountains at Ohio's most important 1306 01:02:58,259 --> 01:02:59,769 and historic building. 1307 01:02:59,793 --> 01:03:01,604 - [Cullen] According to an investigation 1308 01:03:01,628 --> 01:03:04,274 conducted by Reuters, nearly 3,000 areas 1309 01:03:04,298 --> 01:03:08,469 had lead poisoning rates far higher than in Flint. 1310 01:03:11,672 --> 01:03:13,616 - And then you ask the question, well, if they're 1311 01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,819 doing that for lead in water, what else are they hiding? 1312 01:03:16,843 --> 01:03:19,656 - How can we trust any of the science 1313 01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,025 that's coming out of the EPA, if this is the culture there? 1314 01:03:23,049 --> 01:03:24,261 - That's the reality. 1315 01:03:24,285 --> 01:03:25,295 You cannot. 1316 01:03:25,319 --> 01:03:27,497 - [Cullen] It seemed that the EPA and CDC were 1317 01:03:27,521 --> 01:03:31,701 too busy protecting their own reputations to be trusted. 1318 01:03:31,725 --> 01:03:35,896 If Dr. Edwards was right, it's what I'd been missing. 1319 01:03:40,834 --> 01:03:43,680 - The fact is most whistle blowers regret it. 1320 01:03:43,704 --> 01:03:46,583 I was at the top of the game at EPA. 1321 01:03:46,607 --> 01:03:49,519 In my case, the EPA funded the University of Georgia 1322 01:03:49,543 --> 01:03:52,522 to publish 20 years of fake data to counteract 1323 01:03:52,546 --> 01:03:55,816 research I published at UGA documenting 1324 01:03:56,850 --> 01:03:58,828 adverse health affects. 1325 01:03:58,852 --> 01:04:03,566 - How are you sure the data was being falsified, made up? 1326 01:04:03,590 --> 01:04:06,769 - The scientists admitting under oath the data were faked 1327 01:04:06,793 --> 01:04:09,472 and that they believed people were getting sick. 1328 01:04:09,496 --> 01:04:13,667 In one case, a federal judge ruled the data were fabricated. 1329 01:04:14,501 --> 01:04:18,672 The CDC is doing exactly the same thing that EPA is doing. 1330 01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,420 The most astounding part of that is that even 1331 01:04:23,444 --> 01:04:27,624 when the CDC and EPA admit their data are fake 1332 01:04:27,648 --> 01:04:30,360 and they're caught, they still will not remove it 1333 01:04:30,384 --> 01:04:31,928 from the scientific literature. 1334 01:04:31,952 --> 01:04:35,832 Political appointees go through the revolving door 1335 01:04:35,856 --> 01:04:37,767 between government and industry. 1336 01:04:37,791 --> 01:04:40,770 They're washing each other's hands. 1337 01:04:40,794 --> 01:04:43,706 - [Cullen] Who runs independent tests outside 1338 01:04:43,730 --> 01:04:46,443 of these agencies to ensure the drinking water is safe? 1339 01:04:46,467 --> 01:04:47,644 - That's the scary thing. 1340 01:04:47,668 --> 01:04:48,835 Almost no one. 1341 01:04:52,038 --> 01:04:54,238 - [Dr. Whelton] There are other chemicals going into the 1342 01:04:54,262 --> 01:04:57,654 water that are not being tested, not being reported. 1343 01:04:57,678 --> 01:04:59,598 - [Cullen] And there is a method for figuring out 1344 01:04:59,622 --> 01:05:00,599 what those chemicals are. 1345 01:05:00,623 --> 01:05:03,626 - It's wicked expensive to do chemical testing. 1346 01:05:03,650 --> 01:05:04,594 If you're looking to find something, 1347 01:05:04,618 --> 01:05:06,896 you need to know what you're looking for. 1348 01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:08,698 And that's a huge undertaking. 1349 01:05:08,722 --> 01:05:12,325 [light instrumental music] 1350 01:05:14,695 --> 01:05:16,335 - [Cullen] The plan was to test near major 1351 01:05:16,359 --> 01:05:17,907 industrial sites in the river. 1352 01:05:17,931 --> 01:05:20,677 If we found any chemicals at a high concentration, 1353 01:05:20,701 --> 01:05:24,046 we would test for that same chemical in taps downstream. 1354 01:05:24,070 --> 01:05:26,716 It was impossible to test for everything, 1355 01:05:26,740 --> 01:05:30,987 so we picked chemicals that were the most likely suspects. 1356 01:05:31,011 --> 01:05:34,648 [light electronic music] 1357 01:05:50,697 --> 01:05:52,097 So have you been drinking the water? 1358 01:05:52,121 --> 01:05:55,645 - I haven't since the whole thing started. 1359 01:05:55,669 --> 01:05:58,681 You know, you have one bout with rare cancer, 1360 01:05:58,705 --> 01:06:01,050 and you're real careful after that. 1361 01:06:01,074 --> 01:06:04,687 I have a son in law who works for DuPont. 1362 01:06:04,711 --> 01:06:07,614 Yeah, we're right down from it now. 1363 01:06:08,526 --> 01:06:09,806 - [Cullen] Yeah, I'm real curious 1364 01:06:09,830 --> 01:06:11,594 what they're puttin' in the water. 1365 01:06:11,618 --> 01:06:12,829 - I am, too. 1366 01:06:12,853 --> 01:06:13,853 I am, too. 1367 01:06:14,888 --> 01:06:18,659 [light instrumental music] 1368 01:06:27,734 --> 01:06:28,745 - [Cullen] All right. 1369 01:06:28,769 --> 01:06:29,546 What's that, Rick? 1370 01:06:29,570 --> 01:06:30,480 There's a boat coming towards us? 1371 01:06:30,504 --> 01:06:32,214 - [Rick] We can fill these up on the way. 1372 01:06:32,238 --> 01:06:33,716 - All right, let's get out of here. 1373 01:06:33,740 --> 01:06:36,643 [boat engine revs] 1374 01:06:38,945 --> 01:06:41,658 Two months later, the scientist that I'd been 1375 01:06:41,682 --> 01:06:45,227 working with at USGS or United States Geological Survey 1376 01:06:45,251 --> 01:06:47,930 sent me an email with the results. 1377 01:06:47,954 --> 01:06:50,491 His response was surprising. 1378 01:06:51,257 --> 01:06:53,736 There was no smoking gun. 1379 01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,205 They found very little of the chemicals that they expected 1380 01:06:56,229 --> 01:06:57,373 to be in the river. 1381 01:06:57,397 --> 01:07:00,677 And we had done our testing near what should have been 1382 01:07:00,701 --> 01:07:02,211 the release points. 1383 01:07:02,235 --> 01:07:04,647 Either we had done something wrong, 1384 01:07:04,671 --> 01:07:05,951 or they really weren't releasing 1385 01:07:05,975 --> 01:07:08,985 all that much into the river. 1386 01:07:09,009 --> 01:07:12,822 However, there was something that I didn't understand. 1387 01:07:12,846 --> 01:07:15,758 In the lab report, there are all of these unidentified 1388 01:07:15,782 --> 01:07:17,484 tiny little peaks. 1389 01:07:18,151 --> 01:07:22,264 What was the big thing that you uncovered? 1390 01:07:22,288 --> 01:07:24,901 - People in towns and cities across America 1391 01:07:24,925 --> 01:07:28,705 were getting sick that lived next to where 1392 01:07:28,729 --> 01:07:32,775 land application of sewage sludge was occurring. 1393 01:07:32,799 --> 01:07:35,745 See, material that settles out at sewage treatment plants 1394 01:07:35,769 --> 01:07:39,749 is mostly human feces mixed with industrial waste, 1395 01:07:39,773 --> 01:07:41,675 and it's free fertilizer. 1396 01:07:42,776 --> 01:07:46,756 Some of it's sold at Home Depot and other outlets. 1397 01:07:46,780 --> 01:07:50,993 Every chemical that could possibly cause harm 1398 01:07:51,017 --> 01:07:53,730 to human health is there. 1399 01:07:53,754 --> 01:07:57,700 So I went about to document these illnesses and deaths 1400 01:07:57,724 --> 01:08:01,070 and found out that they were linked to an EPA policy. 1401 01:08:01,094 --> 01:08:05,642 In the early '70s passed the Clean Water Act. 1402 01:08:05,666 --> 01:08:09,612 That made a very expensive industry to pollute 1403 01:08:09,636 --> 01:08:13,683 our rivers and lakes, so once their lobbyists got involved 1404 01:08:13,707 --> 01:08:17,854 and they got in bed with EPA and vice versa, 1405 01:08:17,878 --> 01:08:21,190 what they wanted was, there's no clean soil act. 1406 01:08:21,214 --> 01:08:25,327 Let's just dump all this on land, not regulate it, 1407 01:08:25,351 --> 01:08:27,296 and make it free for us. 1408 01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:30,132 That's what happened in 1993. 1409 01:08:30,156 --> 01:08:32,902 That was the first Clinton administration. 1410 01:08:32,926 --> 01:08:35,772 The agency was reorganized science-wise, 1411 01:08:35,796 --> 01:08:37,840 so it became very political at that point. 1412 01:08:37,864 --> 01:08:39,341 - So industry is basically flushing 1413 01:08:39,365 --> 01:08:41,811 chemicals down the drain? 1414 01:08:41,835 --> 01:08:43,315 - Now, they don't have to build a pipe 1415 01:08:43,339 --> 01:08:45,815 to the river and pay for it. 1416 01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:48,050 They flush it down the toilet. 1417 01:08:48,074 --> 01:08:50,853 - That would explain why when I tested the river, 1418 01:08:50,877 --> 01:08:53,255 it was cleaner than I expected. 1419 01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:57,994 - Yeah, it's now going everywhere we 1420 01:08:58,018 --> 01:09:02,188 school playgrounds, parks, golf courses, farms, forests. 1421 01:09:04,658 --> 01:09:08,004 It rains, so it runs off into creeks and streams. 1422 01:09:08,028 --> 01:09:09,872 It goes into the rivers and lakes. 1423 01:09:09,896 --> 01:09:14,067 - I have to admit it sounds a little far-fetched to me. 1424 01:09:16,202 --> 01:09:18,047 - Well, you see what happened in Flint. 1425 01:09:18,071 --> 01:09:22,318 The mere fact that scientists cannot publish data 1426 01:09:22,342 --> 01:09:25,254 that shows what the government's doing and what 1427 01:09:25,278 --> 01:09:29,182 universities are doing, that explains all this. 1428 01:09:32,218 --> 01:09:35,231 - How old are the people who died? 1429 01:09:35,255 --> 01:09:38,792 - From small children to elderly people. 1430 01:09:42,696 --> 01:09:44,696 - [Cullen] Looking back at the data from the river, 1431 01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,175 it now made sense. 1432 01:09:46,199 --> 01:09:49,846 All of these little peaks, they represented chemicals. 1433 01:09:49,870 --> 01:09:53,650 Instead of there being huge amounts of just a few chemicals, 1434 01:09:53,674 --> 01:09:57,353 there were small amounts of hundreds, if not thousands. 1435 01:09:57,377 --> 01:10:00,089 And they couldn't be identified because we didn't 1436 01:10:00,113 --> 01:10:02,659 know what to look for. 1437 01:10:02,683 --> 01:10:05,261 Very little research is being done in this field. 1438 01:10:05,285 --> 01:10:08,731 However, there were a number of studies that had looked 1439 01:10:08,755 --> 01:10:12,068 for low levels of drugs appearing in rivers. 1440 01:10:12,092 --> 01:10:16,305 Drugs that people consume and then flush down the drain. 1441 01:10:16,329 --> 01:10:20,701 Antidepressants, steroids, antibiotics, even meth, 1442 01:10:22,836 --> 01:10:26,716 every drug researchers had looked for was in the river 1443 01:10:26,740 --> 01:10:29,819 in the parts per billion range. 1444 01:10:29,843 --> 01:10:32,722 And when they tested fertilizer made from sewage sludge, 1445 01:10:32,746 --> 01:10:35,692 in many cases the drugs were there, too, 1446 01:10:35,716 --> 01:10:38,861 but at exponentially higher levels. 1447 01:10:38,885 --> 01:10:40,897 This research was indisputable. 1448 01:10:40,921 --> 01:10:42,264 It had been replicated by multiple 1449 01:10:42,288 --> 01:10:44,657 agencies across the globe. 1450 01:10:45,325 --> 01:10:47,236 Dr. Lewis was right. 1451 01:10:47,260 --> 01:10:50,106 Clearly these peaks were not all benign. 1452 01:10:50,130 --> 01:10:54,210 If these chemicals were all appearing in river samples, 1453 01:10:54,234 --> 01:10:58,404 then were they getting into our drinking water as well? 1454 01:10:59,950 --> 01:11:00,950 - [Water Tester] Some of your chemicals 1455 01:11:00,974 --> 01:11:02,451 are starting to come off. 1456 01:11:02,475 --> 01:11:04,320 - Each of those peaks is a chemical? 1457 01:11:04,344 --> 01:11:07,757 - This whole area underneath here is probably 1458 01:11:07,781 --> 01:11:11,493 200 different chemicals are coming off right now. 1459 01:11:11,517 --> 01:11:13,495 - This sample was from my own 1460 01:11:13,519 --> 01:11:15,722 tap water in California. 1461 01:11:19,826 --> 01:11:22,171 It turns out that there is a way to identify 1462 01:11:22,195 --> 01:11:24,240 some of the peaks. 1463 01:11:24,264 --> 01:11:26,809 The sample can be run against a huge database of chemicals, 1464 01:11:26,833 --> 01:11:29,736 and sometimes you can find a match. 1465 01:11:31,504 --> 01:11:34,050 So we tested downstream of the chemical valley. 1466 01:11:34,074 --> 01:11:37,820 If we did find a chemical of concern, I believed 1467 01:11:37,844 --> 01:11:41,858 that Dr. Gupta and possibly Randy Huffman would help us 1468 01:11:41,882 --> 01:11:46,528 proving that regulators can put science before politics. 1469 01:11:46,552 --> 01:11:50,356 [light instrumental music] 1470 01:11:56,096 --> 01:11:57,576 Now, there were other chemicals found. 1471 01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,241 This is the one that I thought was 1472 01:11:59,265 --> 01:12:00,545 the most concerning of the bunch. 1473 01:12:00,569 --> 01:12:03,179 It says one, one, two, two tetrachloroethane. 1474 01:12:03,203 --> 01:12:05,782 It has a quality match of 96 that we found 1475 01:12:05,806 --> 01:12:07,249 in four of the five locations. 1476 01:12:07,273 --> 01:12:10,152 It's three to four times more toxic than MCHM. 1477 01:12:10,176 --> 01:12:12,188 California considers it to be a carcinogen. 1478 01:12:12,212 --> 01:12:14,824 A little less than one part per billion. 1479 01:12:14,848 --> 01:12:16,768 But what I'm really trying to understand is like, 1480 01:12:16,792 --> 01:12:18,560 is this a big deal or not? 1481 01:12:18,584 --> 01:12:20,797 - These are small numbers, but they're significant 1482 01:12:20,821 --> 01:12:22,865 numbers to my mind, you know. 1483 01:12:22,889 --> 01:12:24,500 This is coming out of the water plant. 1484 01:12:24,524 --> 01:12:28,805 - I didn't realize those were drinking water samples. 1485 01:12:28,829 --> 01:12:29,738 That's a huge deal. 1486 01:12:29,762 --> 01:12:33,810 So the analytics were done by USGS labs? 1487 01:12:33,834 --> 01:12:34,811 - [Cullen] Yeah. 1488 01:12:34,835 --> 01:12:36,312 - [Kevin] They do great science. 1489 01:12:36,336 --> 01:12:37,936 - The lead chemist who did this research, 1490 01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,282 he has 130 scientific papers published. 1491 01:12:40,306 --> 01:12:42,919 He felt very confident that this chemical was there. 1492 01:12:42,943 --> 01:12:44,583 - One of the guys who used to work for me, 1493 01:12:44,607 --> 01:12:47,156 he's a PhD chemist, he seems to think it's real. 1494 01:12:47,180 --> 01:12:49,892 I mean, I expected to be unconvinced. 1495 01:12:49,916 --> 01:12:50,827 - [Kevin] I did, too. 1496 01:12:50,851 --> 01:12:52,185 - I'm convinced. 1497 01:12:53,887 --> 01:12:54,921 It's real. 1498 01:12:55,588 --> 01:12:57,333 - [Kevin] Have we gone upstream? 1499 01:12:57,357 --> 01:12:59,277 - [Cullen] We didn't find any high concentrations 1500 01:12:59,301 --> 01:13:00,970 of this in our river testing. 1501 01:13:00,994 --> 01:13:03,372 - [Kevin] But it could be leaching out of soil. 1502 01:13:03,396 --> 01:13:05,908 It doesn't mean it was dumped. 1503 01:13:05,932 --> 01:13:07,343 - That doesn't mean it's still not a crisis 1504 01:13:07,367 --> 01:13:09,478 because if it's happened this time, it's happened 1505 01:13:09,502 --> 01:13:11,613 in the past, and it will happen again in the future. 1506 01:13:11,637 --> 01:13:14,616 If you had buy-in from state agencies, tell the public 1507 01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,619 about this, that would be good if they'd play. 1508 01:13:17,643 --> 01:13:19,243 - Yeah, but Jeff McIntyre's the president 1509 01:13:19,267 --> 01:13:21,623 of West Virginia American Water. 1510 01:13:21,647 --> 01:13:24,560 I think you need to give it a shot. 1511 01:13:24,584 --> 01:13:26,464 - [Cullen] So I sent an email to the key players 1512 01:13:26,488 --> 01:13:27,629 in American Water. 1513 01:13:27,653 --> 01:13:29,098 I hadn't heard back. 1514 01:13:29,122 --> 01:13:30,466 It looks like reception's locked. 1515 01:13:30,490 --> 01:13:31,868 That's weird. 1516 01:13:31,892 --> 01:13:34,336 It's the middle of a work day. 1517 01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:35,360 Okay. 1518 01:13:36,429 --> 01:13:39,641 I am here to speak to either Laura Jordan or Jeff McIntyre 1519 01:13:39,665 --> 01:13:43,836 about some data regarding a chemical in the water. 1520 01:13:44,905 --> 01:13:46,883 They're behind closed doors. 1521 01:13:46,907 --> 01:13:49,585 Can you have one of them give me a call back? 1522 01:13:49,609 --> 01:13:51,649 All right, I just need to be able to share this data 1523 01:13:51,673 --> 01:13:53,956 with somebody who can look at it 1524 01:13:53,980 --> 01:13:55,491 and make an informed decision. 1525 01:13:55,515 --> 01:13:59,361 [light instrumental music] 1526 01:13:59,385 --> 01:14:01,197 So these concentrations pretty much match 1527 01:14:01,221 --> 01:14:02,598 what we found in the river. 1528 01:14:02,622 --> 01:14:04,266 - So you found it in taps, too. 1529 01:14:04,290 --> 01:14:05,434 - Yeah, correct. 1530 01:14:05,458 --> 01:14:08,304 We weren't able to pinpoint a source, so I'm thinking 1531 01:14:08,328 --> 01:14:10,006 maybe it's due to rainfall. 1532 01:14:10,030 --> 01:14:12,108 - You didn't sample in the Ohio River. 1533 01:14:12,132 --> 01:14:13,209 - No, I haven't done that yet. 1534 01:14:13,233 --> 01:14:15,273 That would be something that'd be really good to do, 1535 01:14:15,297 --> 01:14:16,678 especially after everything thaws. 1536 01:14:16,702 --> 01:14:17,813 - We just don't know. 1537 01:14:17,837 --> 01:14:20,582 We just gotta do some research and see what we find 1538 01:14:20,606 --> 01:14:23,143 and if we can find anything. 1539 01:14:24,010 --> 01:14:26,622 You have any plans to share this information 1540 01:14:26,646 --> 01:14:30,259 with our state health department, Bureau 1541 01:14:30,283 --> 01:14:34,096 I mean, they regulate drinking water. 1542 01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,365 - Well, I sent Dr. Gupta all of the data. 1543 01:14:36,389 --> 01:14:39,235 He hasn't made time yet, so. 1544 01:14:39,259 --> 01:14:40,259 - Okay. 1545 01:14:42,162 --> 01:14:44,042 - [Cullen] A big event was planned in the shadow 1546 01:14:44,066 --> 01:14:47,537 of the capitol to celebrate safe water. 1547 01:14:49,735 --> 01:14:52,514 Dr. Gupta and the president of West Virginia 1548 01:14:52,538 --> 01:14:56,042 American Water were both keynote speakers. 1549 01:14:57,377 --> 01:15:00,646 - How much information is to be shared? 1550 01:15:06,186 --> 01:15:07,463 When we don't know something, 1551 01:15:07,487 --> 01:15:08,767 I will tell you we don't know it. 1552 01:15:08,791 --> 01:15:10,199 Thank you for having me today. 1553 01:15:10,223 --> 01:15:13,226 [audience applauds] 1554 01:15:19,499 --> 01:15:23,403 - Yeah, but what's the minimum detection limit? 1555 01:15:24,670 --> 01:15:26,582 That's really important. 1556 01:15:26,606 --> 01:15:29,085 All I know with a very high degree of certainty 1557 01:15:29,109 --> 01:15:30,789 is that it was in the water two months ago. 1558 01:15:30,813 --> 01:15:32,721 Like, if you had someone from your department 1559 01:15:32,745 --> 01:15:34,447 go and run tests... 1560 01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,189 I mean, I sent you all the data. 1561 01:15:49,795 --> 01:15:51,373 But if the chemical is in fact there, 1562 01:15:51,397 --> 01:15:55,044 then it's something that requires a degree of speed. 1563 01:15:55,068 --> 01:15:57,279 Do you think that the public should at least 1564 01:15:57,303 --> 01:16:01,050 have the ability to make a decision about this 1565 01:16:01,074 --> 01:16:03,076 from the available data? 1566 01:16:05,778 --> 01:16:08,024 It would only be carefully disseminated information 1567 01:16:08,048 --> 01:16:12,218 that explains exactly what we know and what we don't know. 1568 01:16:20,737 --> 01:16:21,737 Thank you, Dr. Gupta. 1569 01:16:21,761 --> 01:16:24,340 - I do think people have a right to know if any 1570 01:16:24,364 --> 01:16:27,609 substances are going to end up in their drinking water. 1571 01:16:27,633 --> 01:16:31,480 I think people do have a right to know that up front 1572 01:16:31,504 --> 01:16:33,049 whether these substances are classified 1573 01:16:33,073 --> 01:16:36,085 as hazardous or non-hazardous. 1574 01:16:36,109 --> 01:16:37,869 - [Cullen] In the coming days, his department 1575 01:16:37,893 --> 01:16:39,971 would look for any holes they could find in our data 1576 01:16:39,995 --> 01:16:42,791 implying that we had somehow added this chemical 1577 01:16:42,815 --> 01:16:45,251 into the samples ourselves. 1578 01:16:46,219 --> 01:16:48,730 Behind the scenes, officials had already cast so much doubt, 1579 01:16:48,754 --> 01:16:52,434 the local press seemed nervous to run the story. 1580 01:16:52,458 --> 01:16:54,803 It was hard to blame them as it reminded me of something. 1581 01:16:54,827 --> 01:16:56,705 Dr. Edwards had said. 1582 01:16:56,729 --> 01:17:01,477 - You have to fight this on your own because who else 1583 01:17:01,501 --> 01:17:03,236 wants to pay a price? 1584 01:17:04,804 --> 01:17:07,816 - [Cullen] I had exhausted every option except for one. 1585 01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:08,817 Can I hold that for one sec? 1586 01:17:08,841 --> 01:17:09,851 - Yeah. 1587 01:17:09,875 --> 01:17:11,635 - While we wait for those answers to come in, 1588 01:17:11,659 --> 01:17:13,389 I have an announcement to make. 1589 01:17:13,413 --> 01:17:17,226 So four months ago, I went the Kanawha River, 1590 01:17:17,250 --> 01:17:18,660 and I took samples. 1591 01:17:18,684 --> 01:17:20,404 It was an audience full of health department 1592 01:17:20,428 --> 01:17:22,198 and water company employees. 1593 01:17:22,222 --> 01:17:25,267 I hoped that maybe they would respond to facts. 1594 01:17:25,291 --> 01:17:27,269 These tests came back at a range of 1595 01:17:27,293 --> 01:17:30,506 between .5 and .85 parts per billion. 1596 01:17:30,530 --> 01:17:32,708 These levels are not considered to be safe 1597 01:17:32,732 --> 01:17:34,810 in eight states in this country. 1598 01:17:34,834 --> 01:17:36,712 This should warrant further investigation 1599 01:17:36,736 --> 01:17:38,314 by your state officials. 1600 01:17:38,338 --> 01:17:39,315 Thank you. 1601 01:17:39,339 --> 01:17:42,818 [audience applauds] 1602 01:17:42,842 --> 01:17:45,221 - So I think it's kind of reprehensible to come up 1603 01:17:45,245 --> 01:17:48,257 and make a statement when you think you're sure, 1604 01:17:48,281 --> 01:17:49,858 but I can tell you I am sure. 1605 01:17:49,882 --> 01:17:52,082 And there is no concern with the Huntington water supply 1606 01:17:52,106 --> 01:17:54,296 relating to that chemical. 1607 01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:57,333 - [Cullen] Imagine if officials had waited two months 1608 01:17:57,357 --> 01:17:59,601 after the original spill. 1609 01:17:59,625 --> 01:18:02,338 They wouldn't have found anything. 1610 01:18:02,362 --> 01:18:05,831 Not to mention that the soil was now frozen. 1611 01:18:07,233 --> 01:18:09,645 To my knowledge, no testing by the regulatory 1612 01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:11,771 agencies was ever done. 1613 01:18:16,542 --> 01:18:18,320 The carcinogen I had brought attention to 1614 01:18:18,344 --> 01:18:20,756 in West Virginia, it was just the one chemical 1615 01:18:20,780 --> 01:18:24,326 that we could detect, and it was unregulated. 1616 01:18:24,350 --> 01:18:26,695 So legally it could be in the water. 1617 01:18:26,719 --> 01:18:28,930 But there were still thousands of chemicals 1618 01:18:28,954 --> 01:18:31,833 that the system couldn't find a match for, 1619 01:18:31,857 --> 01:18:34,460 chemicals you couldn't smell. 1620 01:18:35,461 --> 01:18:37,639 And we don't know if they're harmful or not 1621 01:18:37,663 --> 01:18:40,309 because the studies are all confidential, 1622 01:18:40,333 --> 01:18:44,446 and the science could be fake like it was with MCHM. 1623 01:18:44,470 --> 01:18:46,515 Besides, who's going to look for something 1624 01:18:46,539 --> 01:18:49,685 that they don't want to find? 1625 01:18:49,709 --> 01:18:51,920 - [Dr. Gupta] Changing culture, both industry 1626 01:18:51,944 --> 01:18:53,789 and government is a tough thing. 1627 01:18:53,813 --> 01:18:55,023 It's not easy. 1628 01:18:55,047 --> 01:18:57,459 I mean, I'm absolutely working to change the culture within 1629 01:18:57,483 --> 01:19:00,753 our side of it, and it's not that easy. 1630 01:19:02,755 --> 01:19:04,833 - Why do we want a villain? 1631 01:19:04,857 --> 01:19:08,270 We can exonerate ourselves in our own minds anyway 1632 01:19:08,294 --> 01:19:10,272 if there's a villain. 1633 01:19:10,296 --> 01:19:13,509 That's why it's so easy to be a victim. 1634 01:19:13,533 --> 01:19:16,645 - Science is based completely on trust. 1635 01:19:16,669 --> 01:19:18,947 If scientists and engineers aren't trustworthy, 1636 01:19:18,971 --> 01:19:21,383 the public will turn against us. 1637 01:19:21,407 --> 01:19:23,552 And I think it's already happening. 1638 01:19:23,576 --> 01:19:25,821 And they will turn to other sources of authority 1639 01:19:25,845 --> 01:19:28,781 who are historically less reliable. 1640 01:19:29,815 --> 01:19:32,618 You could enter a new Dark Age. 1641 01:19:35,255 --> 01:19:36,298 [computer keys click] 1642 01:19:36,322 --> 01:19:38,242 - Failed environmental leadership has contributed 1643 01:19:38,266 --> 01:19:40,369 to two of the worst government-created environmental 1644 01:19:40,393 --> 01:19:42,771 disasters in decades, which have undermined 1645 01:19:42,795 --> 01:19:45,006 the American people's faith in the agency. 1646 01:19:45,030 --> 01:19:47,576 This is why I believe Trump nominated attorney general, 1647 01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,040 Pruitt, to serve as the administrator 1648 01:19:49,064 --> 01:19:50,912 of the Environmental Protection Agency. 1649 01:19:50,936 --> 01:19:55,351 - Mr. Pruitt, you have sued the EPA 19 times to stop 1650 01:19:55,375 --> 01:19:58,820 clean air and water protections. 1651 01:19:58,844 --> 01:20:02,291 Do you believe there is any safe level of lead... 1652 01:20:02,315 --> 01:20:04,260 - Senator, that's something I've not reviewed 1653 01:20:04,284 --> 01:20:05,761 nor know about. 1654 01:20:05,785 --> 01:20:08,764 I've not looked at the scientific research on that. 1655 01:20:08,788 --> 01:20:12,368 - [Cullen] In 2017, Scott Pruitt, the new head of the EPA 1656 01:20:12,392 --> 01:20:14,927 began dismantling his own agency. 1657 01:20:15,928 --> 01:20:20,442 - We are going to end the EPA intrusion into your lives. 1658 01:20:20,466 --> 01:20:23,412 - [Cullen] He fired nearly everyone on the independent 1659 01:20:23,436 --> 01:20:25,714 scientific advisory board. 1660 01:20:25,738 --> 01:20:29,818 Then began removing scientific research from public view. 1661 01:20:29,842 --> 01:20:33,455 - This is a wholesale wiping out of historical record. 1662 01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:35,757 The science that's we've developed and the actions 1663 01:20:35,781 --> 01:20:37,726 we've taken and why we took them. 1664 01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:40,762 You can disagree with many of those actions. 1665 01:20:40,786 --> 01:20:44,524 But what you can't do is simply deny history. 1666 01:20:46,959 --> 01:20:50,530 [light instrumental music] 1667 01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:56,440 - [Cullen] It was the culmination of regulators 1668 01:20:56,464 --> 01:21:00,701 behaving unethically, of politicians leveraging science 1669 01:21:02,442 --> 01:21:06,955 for their own benefit, of the public losing trust 1670 01:21:06,979 --> 01:21:10,750 in a broken system, but science isn't broken, 1671 01:21:13,619 --> 01:21:17,333 which means the system can be rebuilt. 1672 01:21:17,357 --> 01:21:21,527 But until that happens, it's probably best you remember 1673 01:21:22,928 --> 01:21:26,942 that we're all downstream of something. 1674 01:21:26,966 --> 01:21:30,603 [light electronic music] 1675 01:21:33,473 --> 01:21:36,008 ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh 1676 01:21:37,477 --> 01:21:40,045 ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh 1677 01:21:40,980 --> 01:21:43,749 ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh 1678 01:21:58,631 --> 01:22:02,735 ♪ Feel our flesh as we misbehave 1679 01:22:05,405 --> 01:22:08,874 ♪ Drifting in the undertone 1680 01:22:10,410 --> 01:22:13,021 ♪ Before you go 1681 01:22:13,045 --> 01:22:15,915 ♪ It's safe now 1682 01:22:17,082 --> 01:22:20,962 ♪ The water's just fine 1683 01:22:20,986 --> 01:22:25,033 ♪ We close our eyes now 1684 01:22:25,057 --> 01:22:28,670 ♪ I'm blind, and you are 1685 01:22:28,694 --> 01:22:30,539 - Sir are you gonna plead guilty? 1686 01:22:30,563 --> 01:22:32,974 ♪ Oh, oh, oh 1687 01:22:32,998 --> 01:22:35,935 ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh 1688 01:22:36,902 --> 01:22:40,540 ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh 1689 01:22:55,821 --> 01:22:59,200 ♪ Your body and breath will now keep me 1690 01:22:59,224 --> 01:23:02,928 ♪ Breathing past midnight 1691 01:23:08,468 --> 01:23:11,146 - You've gotta stop politicizing either side 1692 01:23:11,170 --> 01:23:13,949 and get back to the science. 1693 01:23:13,973 --> 01:23:16,942 [water splashes] 1694 01:23:18,177 --> 01:23:20,889 - That was all right. 1695 01:23:20,913 --> 01:23:23,649 ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh 1696 01:23:24,517 --> 01:23:26,762 - Each of these individuals attempted to bury 1697 01:23:26,786 --> 01:23:30,899 or cover up the Michigan Department of 1698 01:23:30,923 --> 01:23:35,094 and the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services. 1699 01:23:36,629 --> 01:23:38,831 ♪ Oh, oh, oh 1700 01:23:40,065 --> 01:23:42,668 ♪ Oh, oh, oh 1701 01:23:44,169 --> 01:23:46,972 ♪ On the shore 1702 01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,710 ♪ To you I call 1703 01:23:51,911 --> 01:23:54,880 ♪ We cannot fall 1704 01:24:03,989 --> 01:24:09,862 ♪ Hide 'til spring time 1705 01:24:15,735 --> 01:24:17,737 ♪ Sing 135426

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