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- [Man] Yes, sir.
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- Just pull down here.
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- [Cullen] West Virginia
was in the midst
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of the largest drinking water
crisis in recent US history.
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National news had been
covering the chaos,
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but no one knew why
this had happened.
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- President Obama approved
a disaster declaration
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for West Virginia.
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Nine counties are dealing
with a chemical spill
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that contaminated
the water supply.
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- Roughly 300,000
people in West Virginia
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have been without tap water.
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- [Reporter] The rush for
water was immediate.
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After that sold out, so
did juice, soft drinks,
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anything liquid, leaving
customers scrambling for ice.
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- [Reporter] What
are you gonna do
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about showering or
cleaning or bathing?
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- Well, honey, you
gonna melt this down.
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That's what you gonna do.
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Like you did back
in them old days.
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Put 'em in a little tub.
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Put 'em in there, and
just take a, you know,
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like a birdbath.
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- [Reporter] 700 people
in the Charleston area
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have called poison
control centers.
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- The smell was so strong
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that we had to actually
cover our faces up.
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- I think there should be
a thorough investigation
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of what happened and why
this incident happened
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at Freedom Industries.
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[computer keys click]
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- I'd say if they knew more
about the chemical itself,
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that's probably what's
got so many people
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scared to death now.
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Nobody knows that much about it.
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The water company people, you'd
think they coulda figured
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out what's safe, what's not
safe, before they fired them
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intakes up and polluted
every water line
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throughout the valley.
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Yeah, you're coming up on it.
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It's got a hole
rusted through it.
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See, they've got all this
containment boom in here.
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That's probably where it was
breaking outta the wall.
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You'd think these people
woulda cared more
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and do more visual inspections
to prevent something
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like this from ever happening.
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They knew the water company
was just down the road.
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It'll probably take 'em months,
but they'll cut all them
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tanks up and haul it to scrap,
make one big field out of it.
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As long as it's settin' there,
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the people is gonna remember it.
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And that's the main thing.
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They want it all to go away.
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- We've had the daughter
to the hospital.
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She had a severe rash, and
her neck started to swell,
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and it doubled in size.
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Is this your first
trip to Charleston?
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- I haven't been to
Charleston before,
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but I used to come to West
Virginia when I was a kid.
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We had family here, my uncle.
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He passed away when I was 10.
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I haven't been back here since,
but I remember loving it.
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He taught me how to
shoot a bow and arrow,
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and played in streams.
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It was kind of a novelty,
being from California.
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We don't get a lot of water.
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I still can't believe
you guys lived so close
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to Freedom Industries.
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You mind if we go up there?
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- Sure, we can go, if you like.
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- [Cullen] Oh, there you
go, there's the smell.
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- Yeah, you smell
that now, do ya?
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- [Cullen] Whoa.
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- This is a detergent for coal.
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The chemical that leaked out.
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But you know, this is really
just a drop in the bucket
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because we live in
chemical valley.
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You know, have you
heard that term yet?
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- What?
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Oh shit, I totally forgot.
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It seemed that within
the chemical valley,
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Freedom Industries was a
relatively small company.
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Their primary
business was buying,
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selling, and mixing chemicals.
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They hadn't talked
to any reporters
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since their last press
conference the.
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- Our intent is to be totally...
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- [Reporter] Stay in
front of the microphone.
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- Oh, okay.
- Look at us.
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- Okay.
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- [Reporter] Are there
no systems in place
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to alert you of a leak at your
facility other than a smell?
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- At this moment in time,
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I think that's all we have time
for, so thanks for coming.
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Thanks for your time.
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- Woah, woah, woah.
- We have more questions.
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Hey, hey, hey.
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- [Cullen] It was a PR disaster,
and it had a pronounced
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effect on the people
I spoke to in town.
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So, if this was a
whodunit mystery...
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- There's no whodunit.
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Freedom Industries did it.
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They are the sole culprit.
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- [Cullen] So if this happens
again in the future,
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we would say that that other
company was the sole culprit?
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- Most certainly.
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Who are you gonna blame?
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- It's just unconscionable that
Freedom Industry could not
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have known about the leak,
did not report the leak,
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and did not know how much
the leak had happened.
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It's unconscionable to me.
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My outrage and everybody
else's outrage should be that.
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- [Cullen] The water company
and state officials
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waited more than six hours
before informing the public.
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But ultimately, they
had little choice.
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The smell demanded
an explanation.
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- [Attorney] Regarding the
Freedom Industry site,
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we will not be
making any comments.
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Nor will it be permitting
access to the site.
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- [Cullen] It didn't
require an engineer to see
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that the tanks and walls
were falling apart.
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But why was an
industrial facility
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even allowed to get this bad?
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Was the story of Freedom
Industries just a distraction?
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- We have enough
regulations on the books,
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and what the administration
oughta be doing
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is actually doing their jobs.
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Why wasn't this plant
inspected since 1991?
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I am entirely confident that
there are ample regulations
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already on the books
to protect the health
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and safety of the
American people.
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Somebody ought to be
held accountable here.
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- Well, a lot has
been made over,
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well, DEP, you haven't
been to the site since '92
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or maybe you've only been
two times in the 2000s.
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And right, wrong, or
indifferent, simply visiting
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those sites would not have
prevented this problem.
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- [Cullen] The DEP, or
Department of Environmental.
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Protection, regulates all of
the industry in the state.
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They're essentially the
environmental policemen.
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Randy Huffman, he's
in charge of it,
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and he plays a major
role in this story.
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Let's say, in the
instance of Freedom,
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you had gone and
inspected the tanks.
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What would that have revealed?
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- We would've probably walked
the site, looked for the
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obvious, evidence of material
leaking from the tanks,
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visible holes in the
secondary containment.
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- [Cullen] But there
were visible holes.
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- I, I, I,
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it's unfortunate, you
know, assigning, trying,
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the blame is on Freedom.
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The blame is on the
company for having tanks
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that were not up to
any kind of standard.
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I mean, [laughs] I'm reluctant
to say this on camera.
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I joked to somebody about
this the other day.
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It takes cigarettes 30
or 40 years to kill ya.
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I can't imagine that, you
know, a couple days of MCHM,
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well, but, that's not even,
I just say that in jest
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because it's not
fair for me to say.
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I'm not a health professional.
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- Hey, this is Dr. Gupta
from the Health Department.
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So, there is very
limited information
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on this chemical to begin with.
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We're seeing people
are suffering on the
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I don't have a lot to
offer them right now.
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They have faith in me,
and that's the reason
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they are calling me.
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You sent me an email
about somebody calling
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about their 97-year-old
grandmother?
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- [Cullen] Dr. Gupta runs the
local health department.
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He also turns out
to be the other
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major player in this story.
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For some reason, he
was the only official
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who seemed concerned
that this chemical
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might have negative
health effects.
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- I'm not keeping any
registry at this point,
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and the reason for that is that
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we're not getting a lot of
support from a lot of people.
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Resistance from
people who don't want
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to know what's going on.
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Obviously, the folks at
state and federal level
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are so strongly convinced
that there are going
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to be no long term
impacts of this.
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I have not yet
found the evidence
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on which they've based their,
such strong convictions upon.
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[wind whistles]
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[computer keys click]
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- [Reporter] Spell your name
for me and your correct title.
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- Laura Jordan,
L-A-U-R-A J-O-R-D-A-N.
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External Affairs Manager for
West Virginia American Water.
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- [Reporter] Is the water safe?
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- Yes.
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The water is safe to drink.
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- I want to issue a challenge
to all the experts
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and officials that are
testing our water
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and tellin' us it's safe.
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Whatever they're tellin'
us to do with the water,
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you do it first, and
I'll be happy to follow.
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- It still smells like licorice.
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I just poured this this morning
straight from the tap.
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- [Cullen] Even though the
water still had an odor,
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officials were saying it was
saying it was safe for use.
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- I want help for my daughter
that's sick from this.
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- [Cullen] This was
thanks to a determination
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that had been made by the CDC
or Centers for Disease Control
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who said that one part of
MCHM per one millions parts
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of water or one PPM
was okay to drink.
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This is the equivalent of
squeezing one drop of MCHM
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into a 10 gallon fish tank.
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But here's what's strange.
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Only a few days later,
they issued a statement
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advising pregnant women
to find an alternate
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drinking water source due to a
limited availability of data.
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- I'm not saying
the water's safe.
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They're saying the water's safe.
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The water company's
saying the water is safe.
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The CDC is saying
the water is safe.
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When people shower or use
the water other ways,
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they're having self-reported
associations with rashes,
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eye irritations, asthma attacks.
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We should be more
forthright and say,
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we cannot tell you if this is
not related to the chemical,
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but we're sure gonna find out.
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- [Cullen] With its
15 million customers,
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American Water is the biggest
private water company
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in the United States.
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And their Charleston operation
services the largest area
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on the East Coast, more
than 2,500 square miles.
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And water here is some of the
most expensive in the country.
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But looking around, neither
of these facts made any sense
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because water was everywhere.
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Why were people paying
so much money to pump
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water halfway across the
state from a single source?
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- [Woman] Get out of that water.
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I ain't tellin' you no more.
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- I've been drinkin' it since
they lifted the do not use,
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but nobody else in
the household will.
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We're supposed to trust
these people to provide us
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with clean, safe drinking water.
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Then we got a creek right
here that just had 108
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gallons of slurry go down it.
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I'm all for coal.
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I'm 100% for coal,
100% against Obama.
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I guess in a lot of ways I'm
just fed up with things
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happenin' around here, but I
can't go nowhere 'cause I don't
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know how to do anything
other than mine coal.
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[dogs bark]
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- You used to never
have a problem.
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Then they put mines up here,
mines up here and stuff,
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and all that sludge and
whatever they use.
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- Slurry.
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- Even into the aquifer
it's dripping,
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and then for years they
said, oh it smells funny.
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But it's okay to drink it.
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Half the people in this trailer
park died from cancer.
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That's why they changed
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all these.
- And the well ain't no good.
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To city water.
- To city water and the next
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thing you know,
well, we're gettin'
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contaminated freakin' water.
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[light instrumental music]
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- Even your clothes
will look like that.
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[light instrumental music]
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- This is what come
out of the spigot.
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[water runs]
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- I guess the water started
back with the coal mines,
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which was about a mile
down the road here,
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which my grandfather worked in.
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And my dad worked in it,
and I worked in it.
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The mines has done good
up until just recently.
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You start lookin' back
at some of the things
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that's happenin' to you
or to other people,
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and the sickness
that's goin' on.
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When I wake up in the morning,
I think if I'm still living.
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I think it's a great day.
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[water runs]
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[kids yell]
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- [Cullen] Besides coal, the
other big industry here
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is chemical, and it was still
unclear if the industry
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at large had played a
role in this crisis.
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[door knocks]
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- You guys want some water?
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Chemical alley is about a
25 mile stretch of the.
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Kanawha River that
has tons of chemical
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manufacturing facilities on it.
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For your all's knowledge, people
see cameras, and they think
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they kind of like, job security.
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So some people are friendly
and welcoming of it,
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but a lot of people aren't
because it gets bad publicity.
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The plant's gonna shut
down, and they're not
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gonna be able to
feed their kids.
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That's where the
coal-fired power plant is
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that they have for
that facility.
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This is where they dump
all the toxic stuff,
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and actually for a long
time they didn't know
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what Union Carbide dumped.
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And I know this because
I worked there.
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When I was 16-years-old,
there was an explosion
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at the Methomyl-Larvin
unit in Institute.
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I tried to like tape up the
windows and doors of my house
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like they told us to do in
school, and by that time
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I was already exposed,
so that incident
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kind of just changed my life.
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Okay.
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[computer keys click]
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- [Reporter] We are
learning new information
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about the second substance
found in the West Virginia
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chemical spill,
the chemical PPH.
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- I know that many of you
here would like an update
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on the new material that
was found yesterday.
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Part of my team here from DEP.
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- Governor, thank you for...
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- On the day of the spill,
when we asked the question,
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what's in the tank, the
question that we asked
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should have revealed
this as well.
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- [Cullen] By this, Randy means
that what actually spilled
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was a mixture of
chemicals, and 5.6% of it
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was this other
chemical called PPH.
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Imagine that this
beverage is what spilled,
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and they didn't find
the lemon juice.
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Both state and federal
regulators were doing testing.
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How had this gone undetected?
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- Mike might be able to
answer the test results.
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- I just haven't seen the
most recent test results.
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- [Cullen] So did
Freedom Industries
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have any records about PPH?
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- Well, they had their in
document that what they were
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shipping in and shipping out,
but it was pretty rough.
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They also had three
tanks of this material,
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and they were shipping
in between tanks.
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- [Cullen] Why did the DEP allow
them to operate like this?
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So is your background in
environmental science
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or anything like that?
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- I came out of college with
a mining engineering degree.
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There were no jobs in the
mining industry at the time.
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This was the mid '80s.
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I came to work for what was
the Department of Energy
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at the time in state
government as a last resort.
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We could regulate CO2 out of
existence in this country,
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and it's not going to have any
measurable impact globally.
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[light instrumental music]
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- [Cullen] Looking through
the archives, Randy Huffman,
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he had the kind of report card
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that you hide from your parents.
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Loosening regulations, turning
a blind eye to thousands
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of miles of dirty streams,
granting pollution waivers.
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The DEP had even gone so far
as to sue their federal
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counterpart, the Environmental
Protection Agency when the
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federal agency tried to
enforce the clean water act.
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"This is 100% victory.
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"We won," said Randy Huffman.
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For a while, it was reported
that the DEP simply
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didn't review the waster
water pollution reports
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of companies around the state.
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These added up to over
25,000 violations
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of the Clean Water Act.
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"For whatever reason, we
weren't getting it done,."
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Huffman said, "It was a
glitch, and they got"
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"off track with it."
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25,000.
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- I believe in the
production of coal,
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it's value to our country,
and I will continue
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to do everything that I
can to fight the EPA
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and its misguided attempts
to cripple this industry.
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[audience applauds]
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- [Cullen] After reviewing
some of the past.
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State of the State addresses
given by the governor,
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it seems that fighting
environmental regulation,
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well, that was something
that brought Democrats
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and Republicans together.
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And this is how the
states Democratic.
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US Senator won his seat.
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- I'm Joe Manchin.
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I sued EPA, and I'll take dead
aim at the Cap and Trade Bill
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because it's bad
for West Virginia.
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- [Cullen] It seemed that the
EPA's proposed emissions
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program was also bad
for his coal business,
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a business that had
earned him millions.
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Now, at that time, he was
the state's governor,
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and here's what Joe
Manchin did right
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at the beginning of his term.
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- The first official new sign
of West Virginia's progress
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started going up
today, which shows
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the true beauty
of West Virginia.
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[audience applauds]
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- [Cullen] It's a little hard
to read, but he actually
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changed the slogan of the
state to Open for Business.
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So I asked a retired
employee from the DEP
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if this translated into
weaker enforcement.
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- Yes, Joe Manchin, in
my opinion, did initiate
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a more lax environmental
enforcement atmosphere
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while he was in office and even
it seems even until today.
403
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- [Cullen] Joe Manchin had
appointed Randy Huffman
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nearly 10 years ago, and it
seemed he was still doing
405
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the exact job that
he'd been hired to do.
406
00:21:07,834 --> 00:21:10,012
- They tell us all it's the flu.
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It's not the water at all.
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It's somethin' else, and
they send us home like this.
409
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And then you know, we go
home and sit there and cry.
410
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And it's wrong how
they're doin' us.
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- It's not the hospital's
job to make sure they ask
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questions every time
somebody comes with a rash.
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They're too busy for that.
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Their job's not surveillance.
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We need a program that will
actually encourage people
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to come in, describe
their symptoms.
417
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,638
That needs to be followed
over several years.
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That's the way you
prove connections,
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the chemical and other things.
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Two weeks ago.
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It should have been done.
422
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- You know, I'm not
interested in writing tickets
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or assessing fines.
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I don't need to collect money
from people just because.
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Give the benefit of the
doubt to organizations,
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and assume people aren't
out there trying to break
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the law, but they
would like to comply.
428
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And give 'em a shot at it.
429
00:22:04,791 --> 00:22:07,636
- Do you though, that
like that ideology lets
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companies like Freedom
through the cracks?
431
00:22:11,631 --> 00:22:12,775
- No, I don't.
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- Maybe you can correct this.
433
00:22:13,983 --> 00:22:17,713
In the five years before
2008, something like 25,000
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violations of the Clean
Water Act occurred,
435
00:22:19,906 --> 00:22:22,150
but you know, fines
were never issued.
436
00:22:22,174 --> 00:22:25,378
- Ah, yeah, 35,000
is not that many.
437
00:22:27,514 --> 00:22:28,957
So I'll say that.
438
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This is a whole lot more
complicated than something
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that you can just put in a sound
bite and say, here's 35,000
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violations for which there
never was a penalty.
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[computer keys click]
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- [Cullen] Nearly three
weeks had gone by,
443
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and yet for some reason, the
water still had a smell.
444
00:22:56,843 --> 00:22:58,754
So people didn't trust it.
445
00:22:58,778 --> 00:23:01,524
And they also didn't trust the
state or federal officials
446
00:23:01,548 --> 00:23:04,893
who were saying that the
water was safe to drink.
447
00:23:04,917 --> 00:23:05,894
- It's three weeks.
448
00:23:05,918 --> 00:23:07,118
We haven't been told anything.
449
00:23:07,142 --> 00:23:09,432
- You're trying to force feed
us underneath the table.
450
00:23:09,456 --> 00:23:10,833
- Is this water safe for him?
451
00:23:10,857 --> 00:23:13,569
- Purging is not working.
452
00:23:13,593 --> 00:23:16,439
- [Cullen] American Water
didn't even bother to show up.
453
00:23:16,463 --> 00:23:20,108
There was only one official
there to take all of the heat.
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- What kind of inspection?
455
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,712
How often do you do it?
456
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Do you do it every month,
every year, once a week.
457
00:23:27,173 --> 00:23:29,013
- [Cullen] It was hard
to tell if Randy Huffman
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was playing dumb or he
really didn't know anything.
459
00:23:31,611 --> 00:23:33,489
- I'm not aware of any
full spectrum testing
460
00:23:33,513 --> 00:23:34,957
that's been done.
461
00:23:34,981 --> 00:23:36,625
I wouldn't make any
judgments on that at all.
462
00:23:36,649 --> 00:23:37,860
No evidence that we've seen.
463
00:23:37,884 --> 00:23:38,927
I'm just not aware of 'em.
464
00:23:38,951 --> 00:23:41,630
I'm sure it'll reveal
something we didn't know.
465
00:23:41,654 --> 00:23:43,799
I apologize, but I'm not
familiar with the protocols
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00:23:43,823 --> 00:23:48,170
at all that the water company
used to do their sampling.
467
00:23:48,194 --> 00:23:49,638
- [Man] I have a question.
468
00:23:49,662 --> 00:23:51,422
- Freedom's been ordered
to remove the tanks.
469
00:23:51,446 --> 00:23:54,209
No, there will not be another
tank farm on that site.
470
00:23:54,233 --> 00:23:57,746
- [Man] Nobody else is gonna be there.
[audience applauds]
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00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:59,682
- We need to understand
the basics of this.
472
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We are the first human
beings this chemical
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00:24:01,874 --> 00:24:03,919
has ever been experimented on.
474
00:24:03,943 --> 00:24:06,722
It's tested on rats and some
of the other lab animals.
475
00:24:06,746 --> 00:24:09,892
I vehemently disagree with
any official anywhere
476
00:24:09,916 --> 00:24:12,661
who's saying well, this is
flu, or this is something else
477
00:24:12,685 --> 00:24:16,532
'cause it's not.
[audience applauds]
478
00:24:16,556 --> 00:24:18,196
- Don't let anyone
around you convince you
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00:24:18,220 --> 00:24:20,202
that you don't see and
you aren't experiencing
480
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what you're experiencing.
481
00:24:22,294 --> 00:24:26,642
Dr. Gupta has really stepped
up, and I have yet in 22 years
482
00:24:26,666 --> 00:24:30,837
of work seen a health official
do that, so thank you.
483
00:24:32,171 --> 00:24:33,891
- We're working closely
with the legislature
484
00:24:33,915 --> 00:24:35,850
on some specific rules.
485
00:24:36,909 --> 00:24:38,153
- Here's the thing.
486
00:24:38,177 --> 00:24:41,881
Regulation without
enforcement is pointless.
487
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[audience applauds]
488
00:24:45,852 --> 00:24:46,729
- It was brutal.
489
00:24:46,753 --> 00:24:49,989
It might have been
the worst experience
490
00:24:51,691 --> 00:24:53,602
that I've had in this job.
491
00:24:53,626 --> 00:24:55,671
The police escorted me to
my truck 'cause they were
492
00:24:55,695 --> 00:24:58,641
concerned [laughs]
for my safety.
493
00:24:58,665 --> 00:25:00,142
I wasn't, but they were.
494
00:25:00,166 --> 00:25:02,077
I think they just
wanted somethin' to do.
495
00:25:02,101 --> 00:25:04,713
- [Cullen] While Randy and his
agency may be responsible
496
00:25:04,737 --> 00:25:07,015
for a lot of problems
in the state,
497
00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:09,918
as it turns out, the
inspection of above ground
498
00:25:09,942 --> 00:25:12,721
storage tanks
wasn't one of them.
499
00:25:12,745 --> 00:25:15,323
- I could send inspectors
to that site every day.
500
00:25:15,347 --> 00:25:17,307
I'm not gonna know that
that hole is gettin' ready
501
00:25:17,331 --> 00:25:20,729
to rust the rest of the way
through and leak the material.
502
00:25:20,753 --> 00:25:22,831
What we need to
prevent this problem
503
00:25:22,855 --> 00:25:24,800
is something that we don't have.
504
00:25:24,824 --> 00:25:27,970
Some kind of policy
decision by Congress
505
00:25:27,994 --> 00:25:31,640
or by our state legislatures
at some point was made.
506
00:25:31,664 --> 00:25:32,641
- [Cullen] One thing
was for sure.
507
00:25:32,665 --> 00:25:35,043
The politicians didn't
want any of this blame
508
00:25:35,067 --> 00:25:36,812
coming back to them.
509
00:25:36,836 --> 00:25:39,181
I've heard there's a lot
of political corruption
510
00:25:39,205 --> 00:25:41,750
and that lobbyists wield
a lot of influence here.
511
00:25:41,774 --> 00:25:44,119
- That would be more so
in Washington than here.
512
00:25:44,143 --> 00:25:46,789
The idea of regulation as
in ensuring the safety
513
00:25:46,813 --> 00:25:50,893
of storage tanks, we always
assumed that that was in place.
514
00:25:50,917 --> 00:25:53,061
That's the type of
regulation everyone wants.
515
00:25:53,085 --> 00:25:55,263
- [Cullen] But when it
came to making this law,
516
00:25:55,287 --> 00:25:58,667
Chris also had a little
extra motivation.
517
00:25:58,691 --> 00:26:00,736
- I mean, I've been
drinking all day.
518
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,041
I had just gotten out of the
shower right before our date.
519
00:26:03,065 --> 00:26:05,741
I thought about the baby
and what was gonna happen.
520
00:26:05,765 --> 00:26:09,778
He used to take 45 minute showers.
[laughs]
521
00:26:09,802 --> 00:26:11,322
- [Chris] I used to get clean.
[laughs]
522
00:26:11,346 --> 00:26:13,949
- I don't feel comfortable
with my biggest organ
523
00:26:13,973 --> 00:26:17,152
being exposed to somethin'
that they know nothing about.
524
00:26:17,176 --> 00:26:21,347
I don't feel comfortable with
my daughter's or my husband's.
525
00:26:23,415 --> 00:26:25,628
- [Cullen] Across the
state, there was a contest
526
00:26:25,652 --> 00:26:28,263
to determine the best
drinking water in the world.
527
00:26:28,287 --> 00:26:31,199
I wanted to see how this
water that had been declared
528
00:26:31,223 --> 00:26:35,270
safe for use stacked up
against the competition.
529
00:26:35,294 --> 00:26:37,706
- This isn't Charleston water?
530
00:26:37,730 --> 00:26:38,707
- You tell me.
531
00:26:38,731 --> 00:26:40,876
- It's really incredible.
532
00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:44,146
I mean, it's like a big
bottle of licorice.
533
00:26:44,170 --> 00:26:46,982
On odor I would score
it as low as I could.
534
00:26:47,006 --> 00:26:51,186
The people who test this say
it's acceptable to drink?
535
00:26:51,210 --> 00:26:52,921
Is that right?
- That's what they say.
536
00:26:52,945 --> 00:26:57,125
- Let me smell it again
because that's atrocious.
537
00:26:57,149 --> 00:26:58,149
Oh.
538
00:26:59,185 --> 00:27:01,864
- I would love to give you our
Beverly Hills 90H20 water,
539
00:27:01,888 --> 00:27:04,399
the first sommelier crafted
water in the world.
540
00:27:04,423 --> 00:27:05,734
- Is this crafted by you?
541
00:27:05,758 --> 00:27:06,735
- Yes.
542
00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:08,039
- I tried to get
it entered here,
543
00:27:08,063 --> 00:27:09,204
but they wouldn't accept it.
544
00:27:09,228 --> 00:27:10,773
- Too bad.
545
00:27:10,797 --> 00:27:12,975
The first, oh, my
grandmother always said,
546
00:27:12,999 --> 00:27:16,912
and she survived two world
wars, when water has an odor,
547
00:27:16,936 --> 00:27:18,847
don't drink it.
548
00:27:18,871 --> 00:27:20,348
This has.
549
00:27:20,372 --> 00:27:23,285
- I will tell you this is the
best trade I've ever made.
550
00:27:23,309 --> 00:27:24,853
- Yeah, I think so, too, yeah.
[laughs]
551
00:27:24,877 --> 00:27:25,921
I think so, too.
552
00:27:25,945 --> 00:27:29,091
And I will trade this with a trash can.
[laughs]
553
00:27:29,115 --> 00:27:31,927
[computer keys click]
554
00:27:31,951 --> 00:27:33,195
- [Joe] Everyone's upset
about their water bill.
555
00:27:33,219 --> 00:27:34,196
You know that, right?
556
00:27:34,220 --> 00:27:35,130
- [Jeff] I know they are.
557
00:27:35,154 --> 00:27:35,964
- [Joe] Can you at
least give us a break?
558
00:27:35,988 --> 00:27:38,366
- You can smell
MCHM in water below
559
00:27:38,390 --> 00:27:41,003
the protective health limit.
560
00:27:41,027 --> 00:27:42,404
As a water company...
561
00:27:42,428 --> 00:27:43,405
- How are you sleeping?
562
00:27:43,429 --> 00:27:44,472
- I'm sleepin' great.
563
00:27:44,496 --> 00:27:47,109
- Give the people in this
valley some confidence.
564
00:27:47,133 --> 00:27:49,111
- We have to follow
what's given to us
565
00:27:49,135 --> 00:27:51,046
as health-based guidance.
566
00:27:51,070 --> 00:27:54,116
It is a fear-based issue
because people can smell it.
567
00:27:54,140 --> 00:27:56,018
- I'm understanding that
not one of you up here
568
00:27:56,042 --> 00:27:58,486
are willing to say
unequivocally, it's safe,
569
00:27:58,510 --> 00:28:00,388
and I would assume
that you would have
570
00:28:00,412 --> 00:28:04,092
to have zero parts per
billion, trillion, no nothing.
571
00:28:04,116 --> 00:28:06,829
- We monitor for 100
contaminants at various times
572
00:28:06,853 --> 00:28:09,464
throughout the year, and if
anyone thinks that every
573
00:28:09,488 --> 00:28:12,267
water treatment system has
absolutely zero of all
574
00:28:12,291 --> 00:28:15,771
of these chemicals or
compounds, they're mistaken.
575
00:28:15,795 --> 00:28:17,806
There are limits set.
576
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:19,842
[flag whips]
577
00:28:19,866 --> 00:28:21,509
[light instrumental music]
578
00:28:21,533 --> 00:28:24,512
- Water utilities simply
don't have the information
579
00:28:24,536 --> 00:28:27,750
on how to remove 50,000
chemicals in the water.
580
00:28:27,774 --> 00:28:28,683
- Right.
581
00:28:28,707 --> 00:28:30,418
- So the Environmental
Protection Action
582
00:28:30,442 --> 00:28:31,286
sets those standards.
583
00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:33,255
There's little
information available.
584
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:36,258
That's just surprising to me,
which is why we got involved.
585
00:28:36,282 --> 00:28:39,762
I'm not here to convince
you the water is safe.
586
00:28:39,786 --> 00:28:41,396
I'm here to figure out if it is.
587
00:28:41,420 --> 00:28:43,365
- [Cullen] Dr. Andy
Whelton had just arrived
588
00:28:43,389 --> 00:28:45,133
with a team of students.
589
00:28:45,157 --> 00:28:47,502
He's an independent scientist
and a water protection
590
00:28:47,526 --> 00:28:50,773
strategist who used to
work in the military.
591
00:28:50,797 --> 00:28:52,841
- There's simply not a
lot of data associated
592
00:28:52,865 --> 00:28:57,145
with what chemicals are in
waterways and water sources.
593
00:28:57,169 --> 00:29:00,783
- [Cullen] In fact, the EPA
only requires water companies
594
00:29:00,807 --> 00:29:04,510
to test for 76 chemicals,
and since MCHM wasn't
595
00:29:05,411 --> 00:29:09,557
on this list, it was legal
for it to be in the water.
596
00:29:09,581 --> 00:29:13,328
But MCHM has an
extremely rare quality.
597
00:29:13,352 --> 00:29:16,865
You can smell it in
parts per billion.
598
00:29:16,889 --> 00:29:18,867
It's like putting
one drop of MCHM
599
00:29:18,891 --> 00:29:22,170
into a 10,000 gallon fish tank.
600
00:29:22,194 --> 00:29:24,439
- In the drinking water
industry, we're looking
601
00:29:24,463 --> 00:29:26,875
for that one device that
can tell us everything.
602
00:29:26,899 --> 00:29:29,544
Because it doesn't
exist, we have to rely
603
00:29:29,568 --> 00:29:32,080
on multiple devices to
tell us a little bit
604
00:29:32,104 --> 00:29:35,283
of information about the
water that we're looking at.
605
00:29:35,307 --> 00:29:37,319
- [Cullen] But aren't
there more than 80,000
606
00:29:37,343 --> 00:29:38,954
chemicals used in commerce?
607
00:29:38,978 --> 00:29:40,188
- Right, and because they...
608
00:29:40,212 --> 00:29:42,572
- [Cullen] So you're saying
there's no way to test for them?
609
00:29:42,596 --> 00:29:45,360
- There is no tri-quarter
to determine which of the
610
00:29:45,384 --> 00:29:47,229
80,000 chemicals is present.
611
00:29:47,253 --> 00:29:49,564
Because there was an
odor, that was exactly
612
00:29:49,588 --> 00:29:51,499
how it was detected.
613
00:29:51,523 --> 00:29:55,170
- [Cullen] So imagine, without
the smell, the chemical
614
00:29:55,194 --> 00:29:57,439
would have gone unnoticed.
615
00:29:57,463 --> 00:30:00,976
People would have drank
MCHM without knowing.
616
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,846
- [Man] Just insist on
leaving your complaint
617
00:30:03,870 --> 00:30:05,948
and your intent not to pay.
618
00:30:05,972 --> 00:30:08,012
- [Cullen] The CDC would
never have had to determine
619
00:30:08,036 --> 00:30:11,519
that one part per
million was safe.
620
00:30:11,543 --> 00:30:13,488
- A lot of things just
didn't make sense.
621
00:30:13,512 --> 00:30:17,259
How did the CDC come up
with the screening levels?
622
00:30:17,283 --> 00:30:19,261
- [Governor] We all
have the same question.
623
00:30:19,285 --> 00:30:21,363
Is my water really safe?
624
00:30:21,387 --> 00:30:25,557
I value and trust the opinions
of the CDC and the EPA.
625
00:30:26,425 --> 00:30:29,404
- Thank you very much, Governor.
626
00:30:29,428 --> 00:30:30,873
Is your water safe?
627
00:30:30,897 --> 00:30:34,910
What I can say is that
you can use your water
628
00:30:34,934 --> 00:30:36,611
however you like.
629
00:30:36,635 --> 00:30:39,547
- We had expected them to come
in, and ease people's fears.
630
00:30:39,571 --> 00:30:41,917
Instead, they just threw a
little gasoline on the fire.
631
00:30:41,941 --> 00:30:46,254
- There are no studies on
humans for this substance.
632
00:30:46,278 --> 00:30:47,918
- After the water use
ban has been lifted,
633
00:30:47,942 --> 00:30:49,982
if we're still smelling the
water in the way we are,
634
00:30:50,006 --> 00:30:52,394
there is some amount
of chemical somewhere.
635
00:30:52,418 --> 00:30:54,062
- The CDC has set a
screening level.
636
00:30:54,086 --> 00:30:57,132
Doesn't mean there is
potentially zero in there.
637
00:30:57,156 --> 00:30:58,533
- You know, they gave us
a one part per million.
638
00:30:58,557 --> 00:31:00,077
Then they came to
town and wouldn't say
639
00:31:00,101 --> 00:31:01,569
that it was safe to drink.
640
00:31:01,593 --> 00:31:05,007
The Centers for Disease
Control everybody relies on.
641
00:31:05,031 --> 00:31:09,011
And at that point, everybody
was sort of dumbfounded.
642
00:31:09,035 --> 00:31:11,079
- [Cullen] So for some
reason the most important
643
00:31:11,103 --> 00:31:14,249
health agency in the entire
world was no longer willing
644
00:31:14,273 --> 00:31:16,118
to use the word, safe.
645
00:31:16,142 --> 00:31:19,021
- In refusing to declare the
water safe, I think we're
646
00:31:19,045 --> 00:31:21,423
setting ourselves up in
the future for something
647
00:31:21,447 --> 00:31:23,983
that we may not be proud of.
648
00:31:25,351 --> 00:31:29,531
[light instrumental music]
649
00:31:29,555 --> 00:31:31,466
- This is an
independent project.
650
00:31:31,490 --> 00:31:33,650
We're pleased to have you,
and we appreciate your help.
651
00:31:33,674 --> 00:31:35,270
Dr. Whelton.
652
00:31:35,294 --> 00:31:39,241
- As far as the testing
phase, we go out tomorrow.
653
00:31:39,265 --> 00:31:42,044
- [Cullen] Dr. Whelton went
from working on his own dime
654
00:31:42,068 --> 00:31:44,947
to working for the governor.
655
00:31:44,971 --> 00:31:48,975
It was now his job to do
what the CDC could not.
656
00:31:53,379 --> 00:31:56,949
[light instrumental music]
657
00:31:59,318 --> 00:32:02,664
Eastman Chemical, they
make about nine billion
658
00:32:02,688 --> 00:32:04,666
dollars every year.
659
00:32:04,690 --> 00:32:07,535
They're the original
creator of MCHM,
660
00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:11,606
which means they're required
to create a Safety Data Sheet.
661
00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:13,741
Tells you all these
symptoms it affects.
662
00:32:13,765 --> 00:32:15,543
It's the only information
that's available
663
00:32:15,567 --> 00:32:18,313
to the public and to
emergency responders.
664
00:32:18,337 --> 00:32:20,715
- The people in my world,
that's what we rely on.
665
00:32:20,739 --> 00:32:22,450
We go out on a truck
wreck or something,
666
00:32:22,474 --> 00:32:25,420
and there's a tank leaking, we
gotta look at a data sheet.
667
00:32:25,444 --> 00:32:26,554
That's all we have.
668
00:32:26,578 --> 00:32:29,391
- [Cullen] But if you look
at a data sheet for MCHM,
669
00:32:29,415 --> 00:32:32,995
nearly every field reads
no data available
670
00:32:33,019 --> 00:32:36,598
including most important
symptoms and effects.
671
00:32:36,622 --> 00:32:40,602
However, there was one
useful piece of information,
672
00:32:40,626 --> 00:32:44,997
the average amount of MCHM
it takes to kill a rat.
673
00:32:46,165 --> 00:32:48,343
- Any time you talk about
what levels are safe
674
00:32:48,367 --> 00:32:52,014
for people to expose
to, that's a big deal.
675
00:32:52,038 --> 00:32:55,017
- [Cullen] But how the CDC
determined what amount
676
00:32:55,041 --> 00:32:56,618
was acceptable is
kind of shocking.
677
00:32:56,642 --> 00:32:58,553
[light instrumental music]
678
00:32:58,577 --> 00:33:02,457
Without knowing if MCHM causes
cancer or reproductive harm
679
00:33:02,481 --> 00:33:04,726
the CDC decided what
amount was safe
680
00:33:04,750 --> 00:33:08,696
from this piece of information,
how much Eastman Chemical
681
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,057
says it takes to kill a rat.
682
00:33:12,591 --> 00:33:15,203
This would explain why the
CDC told pregnant women
683
00:33:15,227 --> 00:33:17,672
not to drink the water.
684
00:33:17,696 --> 00:33:21,667
It seemed that they didn't know
what the effects might be.
685
00:33:37,749 --> 00:33:40,195
- These are studies that
are done in secrecy.
686
00:33:40,219 --> 00:33:42,564
They're not available
to the public
687
00:33:42,588 --> 00:33:43,831
or the regulators to review.
688
00:33:43,855 --> 00:33:46,834
- Companies have had trade
secrets for as long
689
00:33:46,858 --> 00:33:50,605
as they've been in business
so that the competition
690
00:33:50,629 --> 00:33:53,808
wouldn't have access
to their information.
691
00:33:53,832 --> 00:33:54,776
- [Cullen] But you
don't have to look far
692
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:55,877
to find an example.
693
00:33:55,901 --> 00:33:59,647
According to the Safety Data
Sheet of PPH, the second
694
00:33:59,671 --> 00:34:03,618
chemical on the spill, it's
identity was withheld as a trade
695
00:34:03,642 --> 00:34:07,089
secret, but this is
actually the norm.
696
00:34:07,113 --> 00:34:08,790
There's a government
accountability report
697
00:34:08,814 --> 00:34:12,694
that revealed 95% of
new chemicals contain
698
00:34:12,718 --> 00:34:16,531
some information claimed
as confidential.
699
00:34:16,555 --> 00:34:17,555
95%.
700
00:34:18,490 --> 00:34:23,371
But MCHM was no longer
confidential because Eastman.
701
00:34:23,395 --> 00:34:26,232
Chemical had released
the studies.
702
00:34:27,266 --> 00:34:30,145
At least one thing stood out.
703
00:34:30,169 --> 00:34:32,747
There was a note from
a lead researcher.
704
00:34:32,771 --> 00:34:35,717
It said that their
first study of MCHM
705
00:34:35,741 --> 00:34:40,288
had bad rats, so the results
were of limited value.
706
00:34:40,312 --> 00:34:44,792
And the rats had exhibited
something called hematuria.
707
00:34:44,816 --> 00:34:48,154
It turns out the rats
were peeing blood.
708
00:34:49,421 --> 00:34:53,592
Was it normal to blame
undesirable results on the rats?
709
00:35:05,471 --> 00:35:07,306
What what do you mean?
710
00:35:12,844 --> 00:35:14,456
So you're a lawyer.
711
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:15,823
Who are you suing?
712
00:35:15,847 --> 00:35:16,848
- Everybody.
713
00:35:17,916 --> 00:35:20,562
The clinical finding
in the lab notes
714
00:35:20,586 --> 00:35:22,864
that was never put in any report
715
00:35:22,888 --> 00:35:26,158
was not that there
was just hematuria
716
00:35:27,226 --> 00:35:31,239
but that in some of the rats,
the blood was actually
717
00:35:31,263 --> 00:35:33,775
green that was in the urine.
718
00:35:33,799 --> 00:35:35,843
- Where was this study
because I didn't see it?
719
00:35:35,867 --> 00:35:38,780
- Well, you couldn't find
that by looking at the study.
720
00:35:38,804 --> 00:35:42,217
You'd have to sue Eastman
and get into the discovery
721
00:35:42,241 --> 00:35:45,344
process and then get
their lab notes.
722
00:35:46,478 --> 00:35:49,857
[light instrumental music]
723
00:35:49,881 --> 00:35:52,760
[water splashes]
724
00:35:52,784 --> 00:35:54,264
- [Cullen] Are you
looking for a spot?
725
00:35:54,288 --> 00:35:55,330
- Yeah, let's go.
726
00:35:55,354 --> 00:35:57,499
Hold onto your everything here.
727
00:35:57,523 --> 00:35:59,567
[engine revs]
728
00:35:59,591 --> 00:36:03,738
[light instrumental music]
729
00:36:03,762 --> 00:36:04,972
Here you go.
730
00:36:04,996 --> 00:36:06,374
People joke with
me all the time.
731
00:36:06,398 --> 00:36:08,210
They know that I fish,
and they'll say, oh,
732
00:36:08,234 --> 00:36:11,313
you catch any three-eyed
fish out there?
733
00:36:11,337 --> 00:36:13,981
Oh, you catch some deformed
ones every once in a while,
734
00:36:14,005 --> 00:36:15,205
but fish are just like people.
735
00:36:15,229 --> 00:36:17,419
- [Cullen] Any time I'm in
this area, there's always
736
00:36:17,443 --> 00:36:18,720
that like sweet smell.
737
00:36:18,744 --> 00:36:19,721
Can you smell it?
738
00:36:19,745 --> 00:36:20,522
- Yeah.
739
00:36:20,546 --> 00:36:23,258
I forget what they
make down there.
740
00:36:23,282 --> 00:36:24,592
- [Cullen] But they're
permitted to dump a certain
741
00:36:24,616 --> 00:36:25,860
amount in here, right?
742
00:36:25,884 --> 00:36:26,661
That's how it works?
743
00:36:26,685 --> 00:36:28,230
- Yeah, they're
permitted to dump
744
00:36:28,254 --> 00:36:29,614
a certain amount
of certain things.
745
00:36:29,638 --> 00:36:31,533
You know, I don't know.
746
00:36:31,557 --> 00:36:34,769
No, they test their outfalls.
747
00:36:34,793 --> 00:36:37,772
They test what's in the
outfalls, and then they report
748
00:36:37,796 --> 00:36:39,965
that to us once a quarter.
749
00:36:42,378 --> 00:36:43,378
That's a good question.
750
00:36:43,402 --> 00:36:46,013
How do I know if they're
tellin' the truth?
751
00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:48,950
We've never, ever had
that kind of problem
752
00:36:48,974 --> 00:36:50,985
'cause they typically
will contract that out
753
00:36:51,009 --> 00:36:54,356
to a third party to come
in and do the sampling,
754
00:36:54,380 --> 00:36:56,715
and then prepare the report.
755
00:36:58,484 --> 00:37:00,819
We'll look at their reports.
756
00:37:02,821 --> 00:37:05,300
- [Cullen] Later that night,
I went to the EPA's website
757
00:37:05,324 --> 00:37:07,602
to see how many
facilities his agency
758
00:37:07,626 --> 00:37:09,737
had actually inspected.
759
00:37:09,761 --> 00:37:14,409
Only 11, less than any other
state, but while I was here
760
00:37:14,433 --> 00:37:17,712
I saw something
that surprised me.
761
00:37:17,736 --> 00:37:21,549
There were huge numbers of
violations in every state.
762
00:37:21,573 --> 00:37:23,985
The national average for
facilities dumping more
763
00:37:24,009 --> 00:37:27,689
than they're
supposed to was 38%.
764
00:37:27,713 --> 00:37:30,992
West Virginia was actually
below the national average.
765
00:37:31,016 --> 00:37:35,530
The Clean Water Act
requires a fine of not less
766
00:37:35,554 --> 00:37:39,391
than 2,500 dollars or
more than 25,000 dollars
767
00:37:40,058 --> 00:37:44,472
per day of violation, so
how much are companies
768
00:37:44,496 --> 00:37:46,798
actually being fined in total?
769
00:37:47,933 --> 00:37:50,745
Here's the average total
fine in West Virginia.
770
00:37:50,769 --> 00:37:53,047
California was the highest.
771
00:37:53,071 --> 00:37:57,319
But in many states, the
fine wasn't even above
772
00:37:57,343 --> 00:38:01,589
the required daily minimum
of 2,500 dollars.
773
00:38:01,613 --> 00:38:05,893
In Illinois, the fine is
less than a parking ticket.
774
00:38:05,917 --> 00:38:08,530
It made sense why weak
enforcement might be happening
775
00:38:08,554 --> 00:38:11,098
in West Virginia, but
I couldn't understand
776
00:38:11,122 --> 00:38:15,603
why it seemed to be
happening everywhere else.
777
00:38:15,627 --> 00:38:18,606
- It's not a giant, but it's fish.
[laughs]
778
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:20,742
[light instrumental music]
779
00:38:20,766 --> 00:38:21,976
[computer keys click]
780
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,320
- [Cullen] It was the last day
of the legislative calendar,
781
00:38:24,344 --> 00:38:26,155
and they were holding a
vote on what was now
782
00:38:26,179 --> 00:38:28,750
colloquially known
as the tank bill.
783
00:38:28,774 --> 00:38:30,885
If it passed, it would
be the strongest piece
784
00:38:30,909 --> 00:38:33,755
of environmental legislation
the state had seen
785
00:38:33,779 --> 00:38:34,922
in a generation.
786
00:38:34,946 --> 00:38:36,791
[light instrumental music]
787
00:38:36,815 --> 00:38:38,695
- Environmental pollution's
really not a problem
788
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,929
when it doesn't affect you,
but what happens if it does?
789
00:38:41,953 --> 00:38:43,898
- This sounds like a
real fiimby issue.
790
00:38:43,922 --> 00:38:44,966
- What's fiimby?
791
00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:47,101
- [beeps] it's in my back yard.
[audience laughs]
792
00:38:47,125 --> 00:38:50,705
- Concerned citizens comin'
to the capitol to voice
793
00:38:50,729 --> 00:38:53,608
their opinion on the water
situation in Charleston.
794
00:38:53,632 --> 00:38:56,944
Well, I was told [laughs]
I wasn't allowed to sit
795
00:38:56,968 --> 00:38:58,813
on the floor, so
I'm gonna sit up
796
00:38:58,837 --> 00:39:00,114
in the gallery with the people.
797
00:39:00,138 --> 00:39:03,518
- 59 days since our
water was poisoned.
798
00:39:03,542 --> 00:39:06,921
This is the exclamation
point on the end
799
00:39:06,945 --> 00:39:11,593
of our success in dealing with
the water crisis this year.
800
00:39:11,617 --> 00:39:12,860
- The question now is
on passage of the bill.
801
00:39:12,884 --> 00:39:13,928
All those in favor
will vote green.
802
00:39:13,952 --> 00:39:15,232
All those opposed will vote red.
803
00:39:15,256 --> 00:39:16,130
Prepare the machine.
804
00:39:16,154 --> 00:39:17,131
[dings]
805
00:39:17,155 --> 00:39:20,959
[light instrumental music]
806
00:39:25,431 --> 00:39:26,951
- [Cullen] Near the
stroke of midnight,
807
00:39:26,975 --> 00:39:29,577
the tank bill
passed unanimously.
808
00:39:29,601 --> 00:39:31,045
[audience applauds]
809
00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:34,782
Incredibly, West Virginia had
just become the first state
810
00:39:34,806 --> 00:39:37,151
to enact this type of a law.
811
00:39:37,175 --> 00:39:39,020
[audience applauds]
812
00:39:39,044 --> 00:39:40,364
- [Chris] It was
down to the wire,
813
00:39:40,388 --> 00:39:41,956
but the process isn't done.
814
00:39:41,980 --> 00:39:44,025
It is for this
legislative session,
815
00:39:44,049 --> 00:39:45,693
but there's next year as well.
816
00:39:45,717 --> 00:39:47,829
- It now goes from
words to actual work
817
00:39:47,853 --> 00:39:50,898
that my department has to do.
818
00:39:50,922 --> 00:39:52,402
So there are a lot
of tanks out there,
819
00:39:52,426 --> 00:39:56,764
and there's a lot of stuff in
this bill that has to be done.
820
00:39:57,228 --> 00:39:58,440
No.
821
00:39:58,464 --> 00:40:01,633
[computer keys click]
822
00:40:05,070 --> 00:40:08,883
- Before I have
questions, but today,
823
00:40:08,907 --> 00:40:10,427
based on the evidence,
the information,
824
00:40:10,451 --> 00:40:12,186
the chemical levels
of people's homes,
825
00:40:12,210 --> 00:40:14,680
the water is safe to drink.
826
00:40:16,782 --> 00:40:18,893
- [Cullen] The water
no longer had a smell,
827
00:40:18,917 --> 00:40:22,888
and Dr. Whelton made his
announcement to an empty room.
828
00:40:24,690 --> 00:40:26,701
[light instrumental music]
829
00:40:26,725 --> 00:40:30,004
It was fall of 20014, and the
DEP had finished inspecting
830
00:40:30,028 --> 00:40:32,507
storage tanks across the state.
831
00:40:32,531 --> 00:40:35,577
They found 1,100 were
in such bad shape,
832
00:40:35,601 --> 00:40:38,079
they had to be decommissioned.
833
00:40:38,103 --> 00:40:39,103
1,100.
834
00:40:40,806 --> 00:40:43,084
Was it this bad
around the country?
835
00:40:43,108 --> 00:40:45,152
Maybe unregulated chemicals
had been spilling
836
00:40:45,176 --> 00:40:48,956
with regularity, chemicals
that you couldn't smell,
837
00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:52,259
and if that's the case,
then Freedom Industries
838
00:40:52,283 --> 00:40:54,653
was just horribly unlucky.
839
00:40:55,754 --> 00:40:56,964
[light instrumental music]
840
00:40:56,988 --> 00:40:59,534
- [Reporter] Four former Freedom
officers have been indicted
841
00:40:59,558 --> 00:41:01,202
by a federal grand jury.
842
00:41:01,226 --> 00:41:05,573
It's alleged the defendants
violated the Clean Water Act.
843
00:41:05,597 --> 00:41:07,909
- [Reporter] According to
the FBI, Southern lied
844
00:41:07,933 --> 00:41:09,243
about his role with the company
845
00:41:09,267 --> 00:41:11,012
prior to being named president.
846
00:41:11,036 --> 00:41:13,715
He now faces 30 years in prison.
847
00:41:13,739 --> 00:41:16,041
[engine revs]
848
00:41:19,845 --> 00:41:20,922
- Dr. Gupta.
849
00:41:20,946 --> 00:41:21,889
- [Dr. Gupta] Hey, how are ya?
850
00:41:21,913 --> 00:41:22,690
- It had been a full
year since the crisis.
851
00:41:22,714 --> 00:41:25,627
Congratulations
on your new role.
852
00:41:25,651 --> 00:41:26,561
- Thank you very much.
853
00:41:26,585 --> 00:41:28,162
- Dr. Gupta was now
in charge of health
854
00:41:28,186 --> 00:41:29,931
for the entire state.
855
00:41:29,955 --> 00:41:32,600
Now, does this mean you're
part of state government?
856
00:41:32,624 --> 00:41:35,102
- Yeah [laughs] yes.
857
00:41:35,126 --> 00:41:36,070
- [Cullen] What's that like?
858
00:41:36,094 --> 00:41:40,575
Things seemed good,
almost better than good.
859
00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:43,645
That is until I sat him
down for his interview.
860
00:41:43,669 --> 00:41:44,746
Something was off.
861
00:41:44,770 --> 00:41:48,816
- Of course, we've had since
multiple developments,
862
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,252
positive developments, and
I think we've been able
863
00:41:51,276 --> 00:41:54,822
to strengthen a number of
things across in the state.
864
00:41:54,846 --> 00:41:58,125
We're working to further
strengthen over the next year
865
00:41:58,149 --> 00:42:01,696
or two many more things
that we have been even over
866
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:05,891
and above, on top of prior
what we've done before.
867
00:42:07,759 --> 00:42:10,872
- [Cullen] Perhaps he
couldn't speak freely
868
00:42:10,896 --> 00:42:14,866
because there was a government
handler in the room.
869
00:42:32,127 --> 00:42:33,127
Right, right.
870
00:42:33,151 --> 00:42:35,129
You're not completely
under the control of...
871
00:42:35,153 --> 00:42:36,297
- There you go.
872
00:42:36,321 --> 00:42:37,231
- The powers that be.
873
00:42:37,255 --> 00:42:38,132
- There you go.
874
00:42:38,156 --> 00:42:39,166
- Andy, I'm sorry.
875
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:42,994
What exactly are you
trying to say about MCHM?
876
00:42:50,736 --> 00:42:52,880
Does that mean that
MCHM is twice as toxic
877
00:42:52,904 --> 00:42:55,006
as what Eastman reported?
878
00:43:12,090 --> 00:43:15,894
That throws the whole
system into question.
879
00:43:19,865 --> 00:43:22,276
If the science was this
wrong with one chemical,
880
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:25,012
science that's usually
confidential,
881
00:43:25,036 --> 00:43:27,281
what were the odds that
companies were fabricating
882
00:43:27,305 --> 00:43:30,141
safety data on a
far larger scale?
883
00:43:31,142 --> 00:43:34,355
And how are they
getting away with it?
884
00:43:34,379 --> 00:43:37,959
- The water doesn't smell
like licorice anymore.
885
00:43:37,983 --> 00:43:40,862
And people have resumed
their normal lives.
886
00:43:40,886 --> 00:43:43,364
Lobbyists have had a year
to really plot and plan.
887
00:43:43,388 --> 00:43:45,900
They were very, very
quiet last year,
888
00:43:45,924 --> 00:43:47,769
and that was strategic.
889
00:43:47,793 --> 00:43:50,113
- [Cullen] Perhaps this meant
that there was an opportunity
890
00:43:50,137 --> 00:43:52,206
to see who really controls
chemical policies
891
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:54,232
and the safety of water.
892
00:43:55,066 --> 00:43:57,178
So what's up with the tank bill?
893
00:43:57,202 --> 00:43:59,013
- So a year goes by.
894
00:43:59,037 --> 00:44:02,049
Now, people are saying
well, maybe we should
895
00:44:02,073 --> 00:44:04,385
go back and revisit it.
896
00:44:04,409 --> 00:44:07,154
It basically undoes all
that was done last year,
897
00:44:07,178 --> 00:44:09,724
and it makes any kind of
a regulatory framework
898
00:44:09,748 --> 00:44:11,993
for tanks irrelevant
and meaningless.
899
00:44:12,017 --> 00:44:13,928
- Who are the groups then
that are behind this?
900
00:44:13,952 --> 00:44:17,122
- Nobody wants their
name on the bill.
901
00:44:17,989 --> 00:44:21,969
You can almost figure
it out when you look
902
00:44:21,993 --> 00:44:25,840
at the legislation and see
who benefits most from it.
903
00:44:25,864 --> 00:44:26,908
That tells you a lot.
904
00:44:26,932 --> 00:44:31,102
The bill specifically said
just because your oil
905
00:44:32,771 --> 00:44:35,049
and gas related means
you're exempt.
906
00:44:35,073 --> 00:44:37,885
There was no other scientific
research behind it.
907
00:44:37,909 --> 00:44:40,254
- Do you think that
what happened last year
908
00:44:40,278 --> 00:44:41,923
changed you at all?
909
00:44:41,947 --> 00:44:42,924
- Yeah, I think so.
910
00:44:42,948 --> 00:44:46,794
It changed not just me,
maybe it was just me.
911
00:44:46,818 --> 00:44:48,462
Maybe my perspective
is what's changed,
912
00:44:48,486 --> 00:44:53,000
but it got some people at the
table, citizen activists.
913
00:44:53,024 --> 00:44:56,470
Their idea is not to change
this philosophical change
914
00:44:56,494 --> 00:44:59,073
in the world, but it's about
dealing with practical
915
00:44:59,097 --> 00:45:02,977
issues such as keeping
your water clean.
916
00:45:03,001 --> 00:45:03,811
Yes, sir.
917
00:45:03,835 --> 00:45:04,812
Yes, sir.
918
00:45:04,836 --> 00:45:06,047
1:15, I'll see you up there.
919
00:45:06,071 --> 00:45:10,117
You guys just missed the
governor walking out.
920
00:45:10,141 --> 00:45:12,987
- Do you mind taking
a camera with you?
921
00:45:13,011 --> 00:45:14,989
Then you just hit
this on the side.
922
00:45:15,013 --> 00:45:16,523
- And it videos.
923
00:45:16,547 --> 00:45:19,894
- [Cullen] There had been a
massive train derailment.
924
00:45:19,918 --> 00:45:22,997
At least 18 tankers had
spilled oil into the river.
925
00:45:23,021 --> 00:45:27,192
It seemed like a bad time to
try to undo last year's bill.
926
00:45:29,094 --> 00:45:31,906
So my understanding is that
there is an effort to remove
927
00:45:31,930 --> 00:45:35,142
at least 99% of all the tanks
from needing to be inspected.
928
00:45:35,166 --> 00:45:38,212
- There's such a huge influx
of so many lobbyist groups
929
00:45:38,236 --> 00:45:40,915
behind individual members.
930
00:45:40,939 --> 00:45:44,919
Until I learn more about it, I
can't speak to what the bill
931
00:45:44,943 --> 00:45:48,022
completely will do, but
it doesn't look good.
932
00:45:48,046 --> 00:45:49,566
- [Cullen] The lobbyists
hovered around
933
00:45:49,590 --> 00:45:51,959
the center of the capitol.
934
00:45:54,319 --> 00:45:56,898
Are you guys oil and gas,
or are you something else?
935
00:45:56,922 --> 00:45:57,899
- I'm city.
936
00:45:57,923 --> 00:45:59,163
- You are filming us right now.
937
00:45:59,187 --> 00:45:59,801
Hi.
938
00:45:59,825 --> 00:46:01,803
You can cut it
please, thank you.
939
00:46:01,827 --> 00:46:06,007
- I represent a series of
businesses, oil and gas,
940
00:46:06,031 --> 00:46:08,900
manufacturing, larger employers.
941
00:46:10,035 --> 00:46:11,715
- [Cullen] So were you
involved in drafting
942
00:46:11,739 --> 00:46:12,980
the legislation at all?
943
00:46:13,004 --> 00:46:13,981
- No.
944
00:46:14,005 --> 00:46:15,165
- [Cullen] Who would that be?
945
00:46:15,189 --> 00:46:17,358
- That's a great question.
946
00:46:21,546 --> 00:46:24,425
And I have not seen
her here today.
947
00:46:24,449 --> 00:46:26,409
- [Cullen] Even the Democratic
Senator who created
948
00:46:26,433 --> 00:46:29,931
the original tank bill was now
supporting the gutting of it.
949
00:46:29,955 --> 00:46:32,099
I read through the piece of
legislation that there's
950
00:46:32,123 --> 00:46:34,068
no third party inspection.
951
00:46:34,092 --> 00:46:35,169
There's no anything.
952
00:46:35,193 --> 00:46:37,153
- You assume that everybody
are telling the truth,
953
00:46:37,177 --> 00:46:39,406
but every once in a while,
the IRS will audit you.
954
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:43,878
- If I cheat on my
taxes, 300,000 people.
955
00:46:43,902 --> 00:46:47,281
- So this was a bill that was
introduced by industry folks.
956
00:46:47,305 --> 00:46:48,785
- [Cullen] Speaking
of industry folks,
957
00:46:48,809 --> 00:46:51,085
what did Rebecca
Randolph send you?
958
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:52,086
- Oh, I don't know.
959
00:46:52,110 --> 00:46:53,087
You can have it.
960
00:46:53,111 --> 00:46:55,556
- 100 years of the West
Virginia Manufacturer's,
961
00:46:55,580 --> 00:46:57,124
oh, Swiss chocolates.
962
00:46:57,148 --> 00:46:58,259
- [John] Oh, that's nice.
963
00:46:58,283 --> 00:47:00,363
- Aren't they the most
powerful of all the lobbyists?
964
00:47:00,387 --> 00:47:03,230
- Private Coal Association
also has a lot of say.
965
00:47:03,254 --> 00:47:05,299
- Any way you need to contact
her, it's right here.
966
00:47:05,323 --> 00:47:07,869
Maybe I'll keep this one.
967
00:47:07,893 --> 00:47:11,172
The derailment had forced
American Water to shut down
968
00:47:11,196 --> 00:47:13,531
one of its treatment plants.
969
00:47:15,066 --> 00:47:17,011
It refused all of my
interview requests,
970
00:47:17,035 --> 00:47:19,080
so it was a rare
opportunity to find out
971
00:47:19,104 --> 00:47:22,016
their stance on these changes.
972
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,160
- I think that any attempts
right now to try to weaken
973
00:47:24,184 --> 00:47:27,354
water protections, especially
with events like this
974
00:47:27,378 --> 00:47:30,124
and last year's event being
so fresh in people's mind,
975
00:47:30,148 --> 00:47:34,152
I can't imagine anyone
being on board with that.
976
00:47:35,153 --> 00:47:37,353
- [Cullen] The Manufacturers'
Association is a coalition
977
00:47:37,377 --> 00:47:41,302
of businesses who lobby for
their shared interests.
978
00:47:41,326 --> 00:47:45,496
It includes chemical companies
like DuPont, Dow, and Bayer.
979
00:47:46,431 --> 00:47:50,644
But there was one name on
this list I didn't expect.
980
00:47:50,668 --> 00:47:54,015
It seemed that the water
company was putting their
981
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:58,019
bottom line before the safety
of their only product.
982
00:47:58,043 --> 00:48:01,446
[light instrumental music]
983
00:48:04,059 --> 00:48:05,059
You have a new job.
984
00:48:05,083 --> 00:48:06,763
You have nine other
people working for you,
985
00:48:06,787 --> 00:48:09,130
and the stakes are really
high, so in you're
986
00:48:09,154 --> 00:48:11,098
in a very different
political environment.
987
00:48:11,122 --> 00:48:14,068
But why not try and
protect this regulation?
988
00:48:14,092 --> 00:48:17,671
- There's plenty of folks
out there that can do that.
989
00:48:17,695 --> 00:48:20,174
I cannot afford to do it.
990
00:48:20,198 --> 00:48:21,708
Here's my responsibility
and my role,
991
00:48:21,732 --> 00:48:24,078
and I intend to fully do that.
992
00:48:24,102 --> 00:48:27,514
It's very important that we
keep scientific evidence
993
00:48:27,538 --> 00:48:30,617
in front and center of
every policy-making
994
00:48:30,641 --> 00:48:33,620
and not go in reverse
because that's exactly
995
00:48:33,644 --> 00:48:38,016
what some of the times the
other side is trying to do.
996
00:48:49,127 --> 00:48:51,438
- We've got a lab just had to
shut down because they had
997
00:48:51,462 --> 00:48:55,166
a lab person admit to
fabricating results,
998
00:48:57,168 --> 00:48:59,981
fabricating the same analytical
data you're talking about
999
00:49:00,005 --> 00:49:02,016
that they're supposed
to self report.
1000
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,085
They were doing tests for
a lot of coal companies
1001
00:49:04,109 --> 00:49:05,186
and other folks.
1002
00:49:05,210 --> 00:49:08,155
I don't know who
the ones were for
1003
00:49:08,179 --> 00:49:10,091
that they actually fabricated.
1004
00:49:10,115 --> 00:49:12,259
I don't know the
specifics on that.
1005
00:49:12,283 --> 00:49:14,243
But the bottom line it
doesn't matter is it brings
1006
00:49:14,267 --> 00:49:18,438
into question the integrity
of the whole operation.
1007
00:49:20,091 --> 00:49:22,036
- So you gonna run for
governor in two years.
1008
00:49:22,060 --> 00:49:25,206
- I'm gonna run from the
capitol, not to the capitol.
1009
00:49:25,230 --> 00:49:27,108
- [Cullen] I was trying to find
1010
00:49:27,132 --> 00:49:28,709
Rebecca Randolph
obviously today.
1011
00:49:28,733 --> 00:49:29,543
She wasn't in.
1012
00:49:29,567 --> 00:49:30,511
Do you think she'll
be in tomorrow?
1013
00:49:30,535 --> 00:49:33,314
- [Randy] There's a
bill up at two o'clock.
1014
00:49:33,338 --> 00:49:34,315
- [Cullen] Like a
stakeholder's meeting?
1015
00:49:34,339 --> 00:49:37,618
- [Randy] Yeah, I know
she'll be here for that.
1016
00:49:37,642 --> 00:49:39,402
- So right behind me in
the corner over there
1017
00:49:39,426 --> 00:49:41,022
a stakeholders
meeting is going on.
1018
00:49:41,046 --> 00:49:43,090
And I don't know who
all's involved in this,
1019
00:49:43,114 --> 00:49:45,792
but we've been told that Rebecca
from the Manufacturer's.
1020
00:49:45,816 --> 00:49:48,095
Association is there
along with anyone
1021
00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:51,165
who is considered a
stakeholder to the state.
1022
00:49:51,189 --> 00:49:54,559
[light instrumental music]
1023
00:49:57,528 --> 00:49:59,406
I'm just gonna go in.
1024
00:49:59,430 --> 00:50:03,201
[light instrumental music]
1025
00:50:06,688 --> 00:50:10,534
- So it's similar to the
language on page 18,
1026
00:50:10,558 --> 00:50:12,503
but a little bit different.
1027
00:50:12,527 --> 00:50:13,471
- [Cullen] I
couldn't believe it.
1028
00:50:13,495 --> 00:50:16,540
Every major lobbying
group was in that room
1029
00:50:16,564 --> 00:50:20,010
rewriting the tank
bill in front of me.
1030
00:50:20,034 --> 00:50:22,746
- I mean, I hear everyone
on how they're already
1031
00:50:22,770 --> 00:50:24,715
regulated and maybe
that's good enough.
1032
00:50:24,739 --> 00:50:27,250
What else could have been
done to minimize the risk
1033
00:50:27,274 --> 00:50:29,987
in the Freedom thing and
to me, it goes back
1034
00:50:30,011 --> 00:50:32,923
to certification and
inspection process.
1035
00:50:32,947 --> 00:50:34,124
- What's wrong?
1036
00:50:34,148 --> 00:50:36,560
I mean, where do you
guys see the issue
1037
00:50:36,584 --> 00:50:37,561
with what we're already
covering though?
1038
00:50:37,585 --> 00:50:39,505
- Had that been going on
for some period of time,
1039
00:50:39,529 --> 00:50:43,200
years, that leak
would've never happened.
1040
00:50:43,224 --> 00:50:44,784
- [Cullen] Randy seemed
to be putting up
1041
00:50:44,808 --> 00:50:46,677
a pretty good fight.
1042
00:50:52,534 --> 00:50:54,144
- The more hazardous
or dangerous it is,
1043
00:50:54,168 --> 00:50:56,547
then it needs to be
included in level one.
1044
00:50:56,571 --> 00:50:58,281
- We don't think that's
workable for us.
1045
00:50:58,305 --> 00:51:00,250
- We're already covered under
1046
00:51:00,274 --> 00:51:02,986
adequate stringent regulations.
1047
00:51:03,010 --> 00:51:05,288
- That's not gonna work, guys.
1048
00:51:05,312 --> 00:51:06,323
I'm just tellin' y'all.
1049
00:51:06,347 --> 00:51:07,190
We'll go back to a
groundwork for an exemption
1050
00:51:07,214 --> 00:51:09,593
to coal mining operation
and individual.
1051
00:51:09,617 --> 00:51:11,417
- [Lobbyist] I think we've
done all the damage
1052
00:51:11,441 --> 00:51:12,418
we can do today.
1053
00:51:12,442 --> 00:51:13,296
[laughs]
1054
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:14,480
- [Cullen] There you have it.
1055
00:51:14,504 --> 00:51:18,268
That's a how a law is
weakened beyond recognition.
1056
00:51:18,292 --> 00:51:21,238
But where had these changes
come from in the first place?
1057
00:51:21,262 --> 00:51:22,840
Rebecca?
1058
00:51:22,864 --> 00:51:24,241
Hi, Cullen Hoback.
1059
00:51:24,265 --> 00:51:25,175
- Oh, hi.
1060
00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:26,759
- I've been trying to
get a hold of you.
1061
00:51:26,783 --> 00:51:28,943
Were you relevant in terms
of crafting the bill itself?
1062
00:51:28,967 --> 00:51:31,087
- I mean, we had some input.
1063
00:51:31,806 --> 00:51:33,884
Candidly what I'm gonna
tell you on camera,
1064
00:51:33,908 --> 00:51:36,787
I mean, is that our folks
will be the first ones
1065
00:51:36,811 --> 00:51:38,822
to get in line to
do what's necessary
1066
00:51:38,846 --> 00:51:42,192
when considering
protection of the resource
1067
00:51:42,216 --> 00:51:43,827
that we're trying to protect.
1068
00:51:43,851 --> 00:51:45,563
- Are you going to work
to change the bill
1069
00:51:45,587 --> 00:51:47,547
from its current form to
make it so it covers more
1070
00:51:47,571 --> 00:51:49,332
of the tanks that are out there?
1071
00:51:49,356 --> 00:51:52,803
'Cause like right now it just
literally undoes last year.
1072
00:51:52,827 --> 00:51:56,640
- I don't, I think we'll have
to agree to disagree on that.
1073
00:51:56,664 --> 00:51:58,733
[laughs]
1074
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,025
- [Cullen] It was once again
the last day of session,
1075
00:52:15,049 --> 00:52:17,828
and they were about to vote
on changing the tank bill.
1076
00:52:17,852 --> 00:52:19,854
[dings]
1077
00:52:22,189 --> 00:52:25,368
The bill had been undone
with little fanfare.
1078
00:52:25,392 --> 00:52:29,807
Another Freedom Industries
was primed to happen again.
1079
00:52:29,831 --> 00:52:31,041
Senator Hall?
1080
00:52:31,065 --> 00:52:32,042
- Yes.
1081
00:52:32,066 --> 00:52:34,645
- [Cullen] Are you the
lead sponsor on SB423?
1082
00:52:34,669 --> 00:52:35,646
- Yes, I was.
1083
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:38,816
- Did you write the bill, or...
1084
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:39,817
- No, I didn't write.
1085
00:52:39,841 --> 00:52:41,081
I mean, the attorneys wrote it.
1086
00:52:41,105 --> 00:52:44,021
- [Cullen] Whose
attorneys wrote it?
1087
00:52:44,045 --> 00:52:45,405
- Well, shoot, I
mean, it was done,
1088
00:52:45,429 --> 00:52:48,025
I can't even tell ya.
1089
00:52:48,049 --> 00:52:51,294
The Manufacturer's
Association, I don't know.
1090
00:52:51,318 --> 00:52:52,362
I don't know who did it.
1091
00:52:52,386 --> 00:52:54,331
- But surely someone came
to you with the bill,
1092
00:52:54,355 --> 00:52:58,936
and they said, would you be
the lead sponsor on this?
1093
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,304
- People from the
Manufacturer's Association did.
1094
00:53:01,328 --> 00:53:04,107
What's your interest in
knowing who gave me the bill?
1095
00:53:04,131 --> 00:53:06,877
- Well, I've just been
following the water crisis
1096
00:53:06,901 --> 00:53:07,945
from the beginning.
1097
00:53:07,969 --> 00:53:08,946
- Okay.
1098
00:53:08,970 --> 00:53:09,913
- And so because the bill...
1099
00:53:09,937 --> 00:53:11,617
- Well, let me tell you
what I tell people.
1100
00:53:11,641 --> 00:53:13,150
Somebody else got a
speeding ticket,
1101
00:53:13,174 --> 00:53:14,652
and everybody else got a fine.
1102
00:53:14,676 --> 00:53:16,353
That's the way I view it.
1103
00:53:16,377 --> 00:53:17,855
That's it.
1104
00:53:17,879 --> 00:53:21,091
You know, it just
gave an opportunity
1105
00:53:21,115 --> 00:53:24,027
for people to come in and
just cause all sorts
1106
00:53:24,051 --> 00:53:27,698
of regulatory problems for
us that weren't necessary.
1107
00:53:27,722 --> 00:53:30,300
So I'm happy 473 passed.
1108
00:53:30,324 --> 00:53:32,803
I'm glad my name is on the top.
1109
00:53:32,827 --> 00:53:33,871
- It's not a bad bill.
1110
00:53:33,895 --> 00:53:35,338
It's a good bill.
1111
00:53:35,362 --> 00:53:36,339
- [Cullen] The guy didn't
even know the number
1112
00:53:36,363 --> 00:53:37,841
of his own bill.
1113
00:53:37,865 --> 00:53:39,366
It's 423, not 473.
1114
00:53:41,235 --> 00:53:43,681
Maybe it's because he
didn't write the bill.
1115
00:53:43,705 --> 00:53:46,416
It was the Manufacturer's
Association.
1116
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,219
Maybe he should be
fist-bumping them.
1117
00:53:49,243 --> 00:53:53,456
Industry wasn't just undermining
laws that protect water.
1118
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,694
They were literally
writing them.
1119
00:53:56,718 --> 00:54:00,187
Just how far did this
kind of control reach?
1120
00:54:02,724 --> 00:54:06,928
- [Andy] Did you see what hit
the news the other day, right?
1121
00:54:19,006 --> 00:54:21,852
- Well, I mean, I know
I was bathing in it
1122
00:54:21,876 --> 00:54:24,345
for those two and a half months.
1123
00:54:31,819 --> 00:54:32,920
- [Chris] Hi.
1124
00:54:34,288 --> 00:54:35,465
- [Mrs. Walters] Come here.
1125
00:54:35,489 --> 00:54:36,633
Let's get a snack.
1126
00:54:36,657 --> 00:54:38,817
- [Cullen] Did you look at
the stuff that the National.
1127
00:54:38,841 --> 00:54:40,103
Toxicology Program released?
1128
00:54:40,127 --> 00:54:41,805
- I didn't.
1129
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:44,174
- [Cullen] Well, one thing they
ended up saying about MCHM
1130
00:54:44,198 --> 00:54:47,434
is that it could cause
reproductive harm.
1131
00:54:48,502 --> 00:54:50,814
- His muscle development
was a little off, but...
1132
00:54:50,838 --> 00:54:52,518
- [Cullen] The symptoms
associate with that
1133
00:54:52,542 --> 00:54:53,884
are developmental.
1134
00:54:53,908 --> 00:54:57,087
- Yeah, that's crazy actually.
1135
00:54:57,111 --> 00:54:58,255
That's weird.
1136
00:54:58,279 --> 00:55:02,416
But he's fine now, but he
was about six months behind
1137
00:55:04,118 --> 00:55:07,288
in muscle development
for a while, so.
1138
00:55:08,222 --> 00:55:10,000
- You know, we were
worried, and we of course
1139
00:55:10,024 --> 00:55:12,402
had that in the back
of our mind that,
1140
00:55:12,426 --> 00:55:13,971
there was no medical monitoring.
1141
00:55:13,995 --> 00:55:15,555
There was no doctor
visits that happened
1142
00:55:15,579 --> 00:55:18,475
every single year to check
in or anything like that
1143
00:55:18,499 --> 00:55:21,102
to show, I guess, a conclusion.
1144
00:55:30,011 --> 00:55:31,488
- [Cullen] On your data?
1145
00:55:31,512 --> 00:55:35,216
The study proving MCHM
was twice as toxic?
1146
00:55:54,235 --> 00:55:55,478
[light instrumental music]
1147
00:55:55,502 --> 00:55:57,347
But why would the CDC
go out of their way
1148
00:55:57,371 --> 00:56:00,007
to hide the truth about MCHM?
1149
00:56:00,908 --> 00:56:02,443
It didn't make sense.
1150
00:56:05,312 --> 00:56:08,883
[light instrumental music]
1151
00:56:17,491 --> 00:56:20,127
[water runs]
1152
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,447
January of 2016, it's when
the international spotlight
1153
00:56:30,471 --> 00:56:32,449
turned towards the
lead contamination
1154
00:56:32,473 --> 00:56:35,986
in the drinking water
of Flint, Michigan.
1155
00:56:36,010 --> 00:56:39,422
- It used to be cars
were made in Flint,
1156
00:56:39,446 --> 00:56:43,293
and you couldn't drink
the water in Mexico.
1157
00:56:43,317 --> 00:56:46,087
Now, the cars are
made in Mexico,
1158
00:56:47,288 --> 00:56:50,524
and you can't drink
the water in Flint.
1159
00:56:51,959 --> 00:56:54,171
- [Mom] It makes you feel
bad as a parent to know
1160
00:56:54,195 --> 00:56:57,975
that you've been poisoning
your child all this time.
1161
00:56:57,999 --> 00:56:59,476
Why are you worrying?
1162
00:56:59,500 --> 00:57:00,500
- Because.
1163
00:57:01,202 --> 00:57:02,412
- Can you tell them why?
1164
00:57:02,436 --> 00:57:06,283
- I'm afraid it's
not gonna be fixed.
1165
00:57:06,307 --> 00:57:08,588
- We're gonna have problems
with kids in special education
1166
00:57:08,612 --> 00:57:12,055
services, cognition,
behavioral problems, focusing.
1167
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:13,656
- [Cullen] It was a
shot in the dark,
1168
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,993
but maybe this
contamination held the key
1169
00:57:16,017 --> 00:57:18,561
to opening up this story.
1170
00:57:18,585 --> 00:57:21,264
- A lot of people in Flint
have lead pipe like this
1171
00:57:21,288 --> 00:57:23,934
going from the water main
that runs down the street
1172
00:57:23,958 --> 00:57:25,435
into their homes.
[audience applauds]
1173
00:57:25,459 --> 00:57:26,899
Scientists from
Virginia Tech came up
1174
00:57:26,923 --> 00:57:28,305
to test the water in Flint.
1175
00:57:28,329 --> 00:57:30,941
- The corrosive water
actually ate up every
1176
00:57:30,965 --> 00:57:33,076
metallic pipe in the system.
1177
00:57:33,100 --> 00:57:34,477
- [Rachel Maddow] Government
officials it turns out,
1178
00:57:34,501 --> 00:57:35,512
did know about the lead.
1179
00:57:35,536 --> 00:57:38,515
- We are fully cooperating
with investigations
1180
00:57:38,539 --> 00:57:41,151
and will hold those
individuals accountable.
1181
00:57:41,175 --> 00:57:44,554
- [Cullen] Unlike MCHM,
lead doesn't have an odor.
1182
00:57:44,578 --> 00:57:47,690
This had enabled officials
to cover this up
1183
00:57:47,714 --> 00:57:49,516
for over two years.
1184
00:57:56,257 --> 00:57:58,201
But I had a hard
time that officials
1185
00:57:58,225 --> 00:58:00,437
would knowingly
poison 8,000 kids
1186
00:58:00,461 --> 00:58:03,273
just to save a few
bucks on water.
1187
00:58:03,297 --> 00:58:05,432
[wind hums]
1188
00:58:08,702 --> 00:58:12,482
- The parts per billion in
her house was over 13,000.
1189
00:58:12,506 --> 00:58:14,151
13,000.
1190
00:58:14,175 --> 00:58:15,685
I've never seen a
level that high.
1191
00:58:15,709 --> 00:58:19,522
And the state removed her house
from the sampling protocol.
1192
00:58:19,546 --> 00:58:21,524
Like, where are the red
flags that were going off
1193
00:58:21,548 --> 00:58:22,492
in people's brains?
1194
00:58:22,516 --> 00:58:25,162
- [Cullen] Dr. Mona
Hanna-Attisha is one of
1195
00:58:25,186 --> 00:58:28,598
two main people that brought
this contamination to light.
1196
00:58:28,622 --> 00:58:30,500
She looked at the blood
results of more than
1197
00:58:30,524 --> 00:58:31,668
1,700 children from Flint.
1198
00:58:31,692 --> 00:58:34,371
- So we were attacked.
1199
00:58:34,395 --> 00:58:37,340
The state said I was
causing near hysteria.
1200
00:58:37,364 --> 00:58:39,642
That their numbers were not
consistent with our numbers.
1201
00:58:39,666 --> 00:58:41,578
When the state tells you
you're wrong, it's hard
1202
00:58:41,602 --> 00:58:42,512
not to second-guess yourself.
1203
00:58:42,536 --> 00:58:44,547
They have a team of
50 epidemiologists.
1204
00:58:44,571 --> 00:58:46,183
You're supposed to
sample from homes
1205
00:58:46,207 --> 00:58:47,350
that have lead plumbing.
1206
00:58:47,374 --> 00:58:49,534
They sampled from homes that
didn't have lead plumbing,
1207
00:58:49,558 --> 00:58:51,554
so there was a lot of
kind of manipulations
1208
00:58:51,578 --> 00:58:55,525
of how the water lead
levels were being done.
1209
00:58:55,549 --> 00:58:59,129
So it continued the almost
two years of denial, denial.
1210
00:58:59,153 --> 00:59:00,597
There's a problem.
1211
00:59:00,621 --> 00:59:02,465
- [Cullen] I was reminded
of the CDC refusing.
1212
00:59:02,489 --> 00:59:04,534
Dr. Whelton's results.
1213
00:59:04,558 --> 00:59:09,006
Why were these agencies
covering up the facts?
1214
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:11,141
What's strange is that
it didn't even seem like
1215
00:59:11,165 --> 00:59:12,742
the politicians were in on it.
1216
00:59:12,766 --> 00:59:16,513
Here's the governor of Michigan
testifying before Congress.
1217
00:59:16,537 --> 00:59:18,648
- We'd go back to the experts
over and over again.
1218
00:59:18,672 --> 00:59:21,218
We were told the water was safe.
1219
00:59:21,242 --> 00:59:22,585
That was wrong.
1220
00:59:22,609 --> 00:59:24,421
It wasn't just one department.
1221
00:59:24,445 --> 00:59:26,285
As it continued on, we
got information not only
1222
00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:28,558
from the DEQ but the
Department of Health
1223
00:59:28,582 --> 00:59:30,102
and Human Services
that they didn't see
1224
00:59:30,126 --> 00:59:31,761
elevated levels in blood.
1225
00:59:31,785 --> 00:59:33,745
- [Cullen] These departments
that he's describing,
1226
00:59:33,769 --> 00:59:36,066
they're analogs to the
ones that Randy Huffman
1227
00:59:36,090 --> 00:59:37,634
and Dr. Gupta run.
1228
00:59:37,658 --> 00:59:39,536
- Here's my briefing
from the night before,
1229
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,504
and it's information from
both those departments
1230
00:59:41,528 --> 00:59:43,640
dismissing people.
1231
00:59:43,664 --> 00:59:46,543
I get so mad that I never
should have believed them.
1232
00:59:46,567 --> 00:59:48,511
So we had cases where it
took outside experts.
1233
00:59:48,535 --> 00:59:49,535
That's tragic.
1234
00:59:50,637 --> 00:59:51,714
- So this is scary.
1235
00:59:51,738 --> 00:59:55,585
You've got reproductive
toxins, some cancer hazards.
1236
00:59:55,609 --> 00:59:57,320
- [Cullen] Well, at
least they're labeled.
1237
00:59:57,344 --> 00:59:58,188
- Yeah.
1238
00:59:58,212 --> 01:00:01,415
DC prepared me and
my team for Flint.
1239
01:00:03,484 --> 01:00:06,596
- [Cullen] Dr. Marc
Edwards, outside expert
1240
01:00:06,620 --> 01:00:08,365
in Flint, number two.
1241
01:00:08,389 --> 01:00:10,467
It turns out this wasn't
even the first time
1242
01:00:10,491 --> 01:00:13,503
he had gone toe to toe
with federal agencies
1243
01:00:13,527 --> 01:00:15,338
over lead in drinking water.
1244
01:00:15,362 --> 01:00:18,741
- I had fought a 12 year
battle in Washington DC
1245
01:00:18,765 --> 01:00:22,812
exposing government science
agency corruption.
1246
01:00:22,836 --> 01:00:25,715
The Center for Disease
Control, the USEPA,
1247
01:00:25,739 --> 01:00:27,817
the environmental policemen
we pay to protect us
1248
01:00:27,841 --> 01:00:31,088
were actually the
environmental criminals.
1249
01:00:31,112 --> 01:00:33,256
I mean, I know longer
trust the CDC.
1250
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:34,191
Why?
1251
01:00:34,215 --> 01:00:37,227
Because the upper levels
of CDC is proving
1252
01:00:37,251 --> 01:00:40,097
themselves untrustworthy to me.
1253
01:00:40,121 --> 01:00:44,134
The amount of harm in
Washington DC is 30 times worse
1254
01:00:44,158 --> 01:00:46,236
than what happened
in Flint, Michigan.
1255
01:00:46,260 --> 01:00:48,571
They poisoned thousands
of children,
1256
01:00:48,595 --> 01:00:52,109
covered it up for
about seven years.
1257
01:00:52,133 --> 01:00:55,545
I had to betray some of my
best friends, people I went
1258
01:00:55,569 --> 01:00:58,615
to graduate school with, who
were working with the EPA
1259
01:00:58,639 --> 01:01:01,584
and creating fabricated reports.
1260
01:01:01,608 --> 01:01:03,853
- Who is creating that culture?
1261
01:01:03,877 --> 01:01:05,488
Is it lobbyists?
1262
01:01:05,512 --> 01:01:07,032
Is it the politicians
who appoint them?
1263
01:01:07,056 --> 01:01:11,627
- Well, how could the Catholic
church do what it did?
1264
01:01:12,653 --> 01:01:15,398
Make it in your interest to
engage in unethical behavior
1265
01:01:15,422 --> 01:01:17,834
to cover up problems, and if
you can get away with it,
1266
01:01:17,858 --> 01:01:19,493
you will do that.
1267
01:01:20,412 --> 01:01:22,172
Ultimately, there was a
Congressional hearing
1268
01:01:22,196 --> 01:01:24,441
where they were
chastised publicly,
1269
01:01:24,465 --> 01:01:26,543
but no one was ever
held accountable.
1270
01:01:26,567 --> 01:01:28,527
- [Cullen] It seemed history
was repeating itself.
1271
01:01:28,551 --> 01:01:31,314
Here's the head of the
EPA at the Congressional
1272
01:01:31,338 --> 01:01:33,316
hearing about Flint.
1273
01:01:33,340 --> 01:01:36,819
- [Mr. Chaffetz] Has
anybody been fired?
1274
01:01:36,843 --> 01:01:38,555
That's a question.
1275
01:01:38,579 --> 01:01:39,556
- No, sir.
1276
01:01:39,580 --> 01:01:42,392
- Has anybody been dismissed?
1277
01:01:42,416 --> 01:01:43,393
- No, sir.
1278
01:01:43,417 --> 01:01:46,429
- EPA covered this up
every step of the way.
1279
01:01:46,453 --> 01:01:51,168
They will protect their
reputation above all else.
1280
01:01:51,192 --> 01:01:53,170
- Oversight was our
responsibility.
1281
01:01:53,194 --> 01:01:55,772
We took that seriously,
and we conducted it.
1282
01:01:55,796 --> 01:01:57,640
Does that mean I
don't have regrets?
1283
01:01:57,664 --> 01:01:59,942
- One heroic employee
there, he wrote a memo
1284
01:01:59,966 --> 01:02:03,346
that said EPA should
exert emergency powers.
1285
01:02:03,370 --> 01:02:05,748
- [Cullen] But in response,
he was told that they weren't
1286
01:02:05,772 --> 01:02:08,485
sure Flint was the kind
of community they wanted
1287
01:02:08,509 --> 01:02:10,653
to go out on a limb for.
1288
01:02:10,677 --> 01:02:14,957
And so this EPA official was
ignored over and over again.
1289
01:02:14,981 --> 01:02:17,727
He was so fed up that
after 27 years of working
1290
01:02:17,751 --> 01:02:20,563
for the EPA, he had this to say.
1291
01:02:20,587 --> 01:02:22,587
"People trying to do the
right thing are constantly
1292
01:02:22,611 --> 01:02:25,602
"being subjected to intense
scrutiny as if we were
1293
01:02:25,626 --> 01:02:27,570
"doing something wrong."
1294
01:02:27,594 --> 01:02:30,207
"It's all of this, don't
find anything bad crap"
1295
01:02:30,231 --> 01:02:33,543
"at EPA that's the reason I
desperately want to leave."
1296
01:02:33,567 --> 01:02:35,436
"EPA is a cesspool."
1297
01:02:36,837 --> 01:02:39,516
This would explain why in
the months after Flint
1298
01:02:39,540 --> 01:02:42,619
when other communities
tested their water systems,
1299
01:02:42,643 --> 01:02:46,323
it turned out that Flint was
just the tip of the iceberg.
1300
01:02:46,347 --> 01:02:48,458
- Pittsburghers are likely
drinking water laced
1301
01:02:48,482 --> 01:02:49,626
with toxic lead.
1302
01:02:49,650 --> 01:02:51,850
- Chicago parks shut off
hundreds of drinking fountains.
1303
01:02:51,874 --> 01:02:53,630
- [Reporter] The water
in Garfield, Texas.
1304
01:02:53,654 --> 01:02:55,398
- 10% of Portland homes.
1305
01:02:55,422 --> 01:02:58,235
- All drinking fountains
at Ohio's most important
1306
01:02:58,259 --> 01:02:59,769
and historic building.
1307
01:02:59,793 --> 01:03:01,604
- [Cullen] According
to an investigation
1308
01:03:01,628 --> 01:03:04,274
conducted by Reuters,
nearly 3,000 areas
1309
01:03:04,298 --> 01:03:08,469
had lead poisoning rates
far higher than in Flint.
1310
01:03:11,672 --> 01:03:13,616
- And then you ask the
question, well, if they're
1311
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,819
doing that for lead in water,
what else are they hiding?
1312
01:03:16,843 --> 01:03:19,656
- How can we trust
any of the science
1313
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,025
that's coming out of the EPA,
if this is the culture there?
1314
01:03:23,049 --> 01:03:24,261
- That's the reality.
1315
01:03:24,285 --> 01:03:25,295
You cannot.
1316
01:03:25,319 --> 01:03:27,497
- [Cullen] It seemed that
the EPA and CDC were
1317
01:03:27,521 --> 01:03:31,701
too busy protecting their own
reputations to be trusted.
1318
01:03:31,725 --> 01:03:35,896
If Dr. Edwards was right,
it's what I'd been missing.
1319
01:03:40,834 --> 01:03:43,680
- The fact is most whistle
blowers regret it.
1320
01:03:43,704 --> 01:03:46,583
I was at the top of
the game at EPA.
1321
01:03:46,607 --> 01:03:49,519
In my case, the EPA funded
the University of Georgia
1322
01:03:49,543 --> 01:03:52,522
to publish 20 years of
fake data to counteract
1323
01:03:52,546 --> 01:03:55,816
research I published
at UGA documenting
1324
01:03:56,850 --> 01:03:58,828
adverse health affects.
1325
01:03:58,852 --> 01:04:03,566
- How are you sure the data
was being falsified, made up?
1326
01:04:03,590 --> 01:04:06,769
- The scientists admitting
under oath the data were faked
1327
01:04:06,793 --> 01:04:09,472
and that they believed
people were getting sick.
1328
01:04:09,496 --> 01:04:13,667
In one case, a federal judge
ruled the data were fabricated.
1329
01:04:14,501 --> 01:04:18,672
The CDC is doing exactly the
same thing that EPA is doing.
1330
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,420
The most astounding part
of that is that even
1331
01:04:23,444 --> 01:04:27,624
when the CDC and EPA admit
their data are fake
1332
01:04:27,648 --> 01:04:30,360
and they're caught, they
still will not remove it
1333
01:04:30,384 --> 01:04:31,928
from the scientific literature.
1334
01:04:31,952 --> 01:04:35,832
Political appointees go
through the revolving door
1335
01:04:35,856 --> 01:04:37,767
between government and industry.
1336
01:04:37,791 --> 01:04:40,770
They're washing
each other's hands.
1337
01:04:40,794 --> 01:04:43,706
- [Cullen] Who runs
independent tests outside
1338
01:04:43,730 --> 01:04:46,443
of these agencies to ensure
the drinking water is safe?
1339
01:04:46,467 --> 01:04:47,644
- That's the scary thing.
1340
01:04:47,668 --> 01:04:48,835
Almost no one.
1341
01:04:52,038 --> 01:04:54,238
- [Dr. Whelton] There are other
chemicals going into the
1342
01:04:54,262 --> 01:04:57,654
water that are not being
tested, not being reported.
1343
01:04:57,678 --> 01:04:59,598
- [Cullen] And there is a
method for figuring out
1344
01:04:59,622 --> 01:05:00,599
what those chemicals are.
1345
01:05:00,623 --> 01:05:03,626
- It's wicked expensive
to do chemical testing.
1346
01:05:03,650 --> 01:05:04,594
If you're looking
to find something,
1347
01:05:04,618 --> 01:05:06,896
you need to know what
you're looking for.
1348
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:08,698
And that's a huge undertaking.
1349
01:05:08,722 --> 01:05:12,325
[light instrumental music]
1350
01:05:14,695 --> 01:05:16,335
- [Cullen] The plan was
to test near major
1351
01:05:16,359 --> 01:05:17,907
industrial sites in the river.
1352
01:05:17,931 --> 01:05:20,677
If we found any chemicals
at a high concentration,
1353
01:05:20,701 --> 01:05:24,046
we would test for that same
chemical in taps downstream.
1354
01:05:24,070 --> 01:05:26,716
It was impossible to
test for everything,
1355
01:05:26,740 --> 01:05:30,987
so we picked chemicals that
were the most likely suspects.
1356
01:05:31,011 --> 01:05:34,648
[light electronic music]
1357
01:05:50,697 --> 01:05:52,097
So have you been
drinking the water?
1358
01:05:52,121 --> 01:05:55,645
- I haven't since the
whole thing started.
1359
01:05:55,669 --> 01:05:58,681
You know, you have one
bout with rare cancer,
1360
01:05:58,705 --> 01:06:01,050
and you're real
careful after that.
1361
01:06:01,074 --> 01:06:04,687
I have a son in law
who works for DuPont.
1362
01:06:04,711 --> 01:06:07,614
Yeah, we're right
down from it now.
1363
01:06:08,526 --> 01:06:09,806
- [Cullen] Yeah,
I'm real curious
1364
01:06:09,830 --> 01:06:11,594
what they're puttin'
in the water.
1365
01:06:11,618 --> 01:06:12,829
- I am, too.
1366
01:06:12,853 --> 01:06:13,853
I am, too.
1367
01:06:14,888 --> 01:06:18,659
[light instrumental music]
1368
01:06:27,734 --> 01:06:28,745
- [Cullen] All right.
1369
01:06:28,769 --> 01:06:29,546
What's that, Rick?
1370
01:06:29,570 --> 01:06:30,480
There's a boat
coming towards us?
1371
01:06:30,504 --> 01:06:32,214
- [Rick] We can fill
these up on the way.
1372
01:06:32,238 --> 01:06:33,716
- All right, let's
get out of here.
1373
01:06:33,740 --> 01:06:36,643
[boat engine revs]
1374
01:06:38,945 --> 01:06:41,658
Two months later, the
scientist that I'd been
1375
01:06:41,682 --> 01:06:45,227
working with at USGS or United
States Geological Survey
1376
01:06:45,251 --> 01:06:47,930
sent me an email
with the results.
1377
01:06:47,954 --> 01:06:50,491
His response was surprising.
1378
01:06:51,257 --> 01:06:53,736
There was no smoking gun.
1379
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,205
They found very little of the
chemicals that they expected
1380
01:06:56,229 --> 01:06:57,373
to be in the river.
1381
01:06:57,397 --> 01:07:00,677
And we had done our testing
near what should have been
1382
01:07:00,701 --> 01:07:02,211
the release points.
1383
01:07:02,235 --> 01:07:04,647
Either we had done
something wrong,
1384
01:07:04,671 --> 01:07:05,951
or they really weren't releasing
1385
01:07:05,975 --> 01:07:08,985
all that much into the river.
1386
01:07:09,009 --> 01:07:12,822
However, there was something
that I didn't understand.
1387
01:07:12,846 --> 01:07:15,758
In the lab report, there are
all of these unidentified
1388
01:07:15,782 --> 01:07:17,484
tiny little peaks.
1389
01:07:18,151 --> 01:07:22,264
What was the big thing
that you uncovered?
1390
01:07:22,288 --> 01:07:24,901
- People in towns and
cities across America
1391
01:07:24,925 --> 01:07:28,705
were getting sick that
lived next to where
1392
01:07:28,729 --> 01:07:32,775
land application of sewage
sludge was occurring.
1393
01:07:32,799 --> 01:07:35,745
See, material that settles out
at sewage treatment plants
1394
01:07:35,769 --> 01:07:39,749
is mostly human feces mixed
with industrial waste,
1395
01:07:39,773 --> 01:07:41,675
and it's free fertilizer.
1396
01:07:42,776 --> 01:07:46,756
Some of it's sold at Home
Depot and other outlets.
1397
01:07:46,780 --> 01:07:50,993
Every chemical that could
possibly cause harm
1398
01:07:51,017 --> 01:07:53,730
to human health is there.
1399
01:07:53,754 --> 01:07:57,700
So I went about to document
these illnesses and deaths
1400
01:07:57,724 --> 01:08:01,070
and found out that they were
linked to an EPA policy.
1401
01:08:01,094 --> 01:08:05,642
In the early '70s passed
the Clean Water Act.
1402
01:08:05,666 --> 01:08:09,612
That made a very expensive
industry to pollute
1403
01:08:09,636 --> 01:08:13,683
our rivers and lakes, so once
their lobbyists got involved
1404
01:08:13,707 --> 01:08:17,854
and they got in bed with
EPA and vice versa,
1405
01:08:17,878 --> 01:08:21,190
what they wanted was,
there's no clean soil act.
1406
01:08:21,214 --> 01:08:25,327
Let's just dump all this
on land, not regulate it,
1407
01:08:25,351 --> 01:08:27,296
and make it free for us.
1408
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:30,132
That's what happened in 1993.
1409
01:08:30,156 --> 01:08:32,902
That was the first
Clinton administration.
1410
01:08:32,926 --> 01:08:35,772
The agency was reorganized
science-wise,
1411
01:08:35,796 --> 01:08:37,840
so it became very
political at that point.
1412
01:08:37,864 --> 01:08:39,341
- So industry is
basically flushing
1413
01:08:39,365 --> 01:08:41,811
chemicals down the drain?
1414
01:08:41,835 --> 01:08:43,315
- Now, they don't
have to build a pipe
1415
01:08:43,339 --> 01:08:45,815
to the river and pay for it.
1416
01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:48,050
They flush it down the toilet.
1417
01:08:48,074 --> 01:08:50,853
- That would explain why
when I tested the river,
1418
01:08:50,877 --> 01:08:53,255
it was cleaner than I expected.
1419
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:57,994
- Yeah, it's now
going everywhere we
1420
01:08:58,018 --> 01:09:02,188
school playgrounds, parks,
golf courses, farms, forests.
1421
01:09:04,658 --> 01:09:08,004
It rains, so it runs off
into creeks and streams.
1422
01:09:08,028 --> 01:09:09,872
It goes into the
rivers and lakes.
1423
01:09:09,896 --> 01:09:14,067
- I have to admit it sounds
a little far-fetched to me.
1424
01:09:16,202 --> 01:09:18,047
- Well, you see what
happened in Flint.
1425
01:09:18,071 --> 01:09:22,318
The mere fact that scientists
cannot publish data
1426
01:09:22,342 --> 01:09:25,254
that shows what the
government's doing and what
1427
01:09:25,278 --> 01:09:29,182
universities are doing,
that explains all this.
1428
01:09:32,218 --> 01:09:35,231
- How old are the
people who died?
1429
01:09:35,255 --> 01:09:38,792
- From small children
to elderly people.
1430
01:09:42,696 --> 01:09:44,696
- [Cullen] Looking back at
the data from the river,
1431
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,175
it now made sense.
1432
01:09:46,199 --> 01:09:49,846
All of these little peaks,
they represented chemicals.
1433
01:09:49,870 --> 01:09:53,650
Instead of there being huge
amounts of just a few chemicals,
1434
01:09:53,674 --> 01:09:57,353
there were small amounts of
hundreds, if not thousands.
1435
01:09:57,377 --> 01:10:00,089
And they couldn't be
identified because we didn't
1436
01:10:00,113 --> 01:10:02,659
know what to look for.
1437
01:10:02,683 --> 01:10:05,261
Very little research is
being done in this field.
1438
01:10:05,285 --> 01:10:08,731
However, there were a number
of studies that had looked
1439
01:10:08,755 --> 01:10:12,068
for low levels of drugs
appearing in rivers.
1440
01:10:12,092 --> 01:10:16,305
Drugs that people consume and
then flush down the drain.
1441
01:10:16,329 --> 01:10:20,701
Antidepressants, steroids,
antibiotics, even meth,
1442
01:10:22,836 --> 01:10:26,716
every drug researchers had
looked for was in the river
1443
01:10:26,740 --> 01:10:29,819
in the parts per billion range.
1444
01:10:29,843 --> 01:10:32,722
And when they tested fertilizer
made from sewage sludge,
1445
01:10:32,746 --> 01:10:35,692
in many cases the drugs
were there, too,
1446
01:10:35,716 --> 01:10:38,861
but at exponentially
higher levels.
1447
01:10:38,885 --> 01:10:40,897
This research was indisputable.
1448
01:10:40,921 --> 01:10:42,264
It had been replicated
by multiple
1449
01:10:42,288 --> 01:10:44,657
agencies across the globe.
1450
01:10:45,325 --> 01:10:47,236
Dr. Lewis was right.
1451
01:10:47,260 --> 01:10:50,106
Clearly these peaks
were not all benign.
1452
01:10:50,130 --> 01:10:54,210
If these chemicals were all
appearing in river samples,
1453
01:10:54,234 --> 01:10:58,404
then were they getting into
our drinking water as well?
1454
01:10:59,950 --> 01:11:00,950
- [Water Tester] Some
of your chemicals
1455
01:11:00,974 --> 01:11:02,451
are starting to come off.
1456
01:11:02,475 --> 01:11:04,320
- Each of those peaks
is a chemical?
1457
01:11:04,344 --> 01:11:07,757
- This whole area
underneath here is probably
1458
01:11:07,781 --> 01:11:11,493
200 different chemicals
are coming off right now.
1459
01:11:11,517 --> 01:11:13,495
- This sample was from my own
1460
01:11:13,519 --> 01:11:15,722
tap water in California.
1461
01:11:19,826 --> 01:11:22,171
It turns out that there
is a way to identify
1462
01:11:22,195 --> 01:11:24,240
some of the peaks.
1463
01:11:24,264 --> 01:11:26,809
The sample can be run against
a huge database of chemicals,
1464
01:11:26,833 --> 01:11:29,736
and sometimes you
can find a match.
1465
01:11:31,504 --> 01:11:34,050
So we tested downstream
of the chemical valley.
1466
01:11:34,074 --> 01:11:37,820
If we did find a chemical
of concern, I believed
1467
01:11:37,844 --> 01:11:41,858
that Dr. Gupta and possibly
Randy Huffman would help us
1468
01:11:41,882 --> 01:11:46,528
proving that regulators can
put science before politics.
1469
01:11:46,552 --> 01:11:50,356
[light instrumental music]
1470
01:11:56,096 --> 01:11:57,576
Now, there were other
chemicals found.
1471
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,241
This is the one
that I thought was
1472
01:11:59,265 --> 01:12:00,545
the most concerning
of the bunch.
1473
01:12:00,569 --> 01:12:03,179
It says one, one, two,
two tetrachloroethane.
1474
01:12:03,203 --> 01:12:05,782
It has a quality match
of 96 that we found
1475
01:12:05,806 --> 01:12:07,249
in four of the five locations.
1476
01:12:07,273 --> 01:12:10,152
It's three to four times
more toxic than MCHM.
1477
01:12:10,176 --> 01:12:12,188
California considers
it to be a carcinogen.
1478
01:12:12,212 --> 01:12:14,824
A little less than one
part per billion.
1479
01:12:14,848 --> 01:12:16,768
But what I'm really trying
to understand is like,
1480
01:12:16,792 --> 01:12:18,560
is this a big deal or not?
1481
01:12:18,584 --> 01:12:20,797
- These are small numbers,
but they're significant
1482
01:12:20,821 --> 01:12:22,865
numbers to my mind, you know.
1483
01:12:22,889 --> 01:12:24,500
This is coming out
of the water plant.
1484
01:12:24,524 --> 01:12:28,805
- I didn't realize those
were drinking water samples.
1485
01:12:28,829 --> 01:12:29,738
That's a huge deal.
1486
01:12:29,762 --> 01:12:33,810
So the analytics were
done by USGS labs?
1487
01:12:33,834 --> 01:12:34,811
- [Cullen] Yeah.
1488
01:12:34,835 --> 01:12:36,312
- [Kevin] They do great science.
1489
01:12:36,336 --> 01:12:37,936
- The lead chemist who
did this research,
1490
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,282
he has 130 scientific
papers published.
1491
01:12:40,306 --> 01:12:42,919
He felt very confident that
this chemical was there.
1492
01:12:42,943 --> 01:12:44,583
- One of the guys who
used to work for me,
1493
01:12:44,607 --> 01:12:47,156
he's a PhD chemist, he
seems to think it's real.
1494
01:12:47,180 --> 01:12:49,892
I mean, I expected
to be unconvinced.
1495
01:12:49,916 --> 01:12:50,827
- [Kevin] I did, too.
1496
01:12:50,851 --> 01:12:52,185
- I'm convinced.
1497
01:12:53,887 --> 01:12:54,921
It's real.
1498
01:12:55,588 --> 01:12:57,333
- [Kevin] Have we gone upstream?
1499
01:12:57,357 --> 01:12:59,277
- [Cullen] We didn't find
any high concentrations
1500
01:12:59,301 --> 01:13:00,970
of this in our river testing.
1501
01:13:00,994 --> 01:13:03,372
- [Kevin] But it could
be leaching out of soil.
1502
01:13:03,396 --> 01:13:05,908
It doesn't mean it was dumped.
1503
01:13:05,932 --> 01:13:07,343
- That doesn't mean
it's still not a crisis
1504
01:13:07,367 --> 01:13:09,478
because if it's happened
this time, it's happened
1505
01:13:09,502 --> 01:13:11,613
in the past, and it will
happen again in the future.
1506
01:13:11,637 --> 01:13:14,616
If you had buy-in from state
agencies, tell the public
1507
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,619
about this, that would
be good if they'd play.
1508
01:13:17,643 --> 01:13:19,243
- Yeah, but Jeff
McIntyre's the president
1509
01:13:19,267 --> 01:13:21,623
of West Virginia American Water.
1510
01:13:21,647 --> 01:13:24,560
I think you need
to give it a shot.
1511
01:13:24,584 --> 01:13:26,464
- [Cullen] So I sent an
email to the key players
1512
01:13:26,488 --> 01:13:27,629
in American Water.
1513
01:13:27,653 --> 01:13:29,098
I hadn't heard back.
1514
01:13:29,122 --> 01:13:30,466
It looks like
reception's locked.
1515
01:13:30,490 --> 01:13:31,868
That's weird.
1516
01:13:31,892 --> 01:13:34,336
It's the middle of a work day.
1517
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:35,360
Okay.
1518
01:13:36,429 --> 01:13:39,641
I am here to speak to either
Laura Jordan or Jeff McIntyre
1519
01:13:39,665 --> 01:13:43,836
about some data regarding
a chemical in the water.
1520
01:13:44,905 --> 01:13:46,883
They're behind closed doors.
1521
01:13:46,907 --> 01:13:49,585
Can you have one of them
give me a call back?
1522
01:13:49,609 --> 01:13:51,649
All right, I just need to
be able to share this data
1523
01:13:51,673 --> 01:13:53,956
with somebody who can look at it
1524
01:13:53,980 --> 01:13:55,491
and make an informed decision.
1525
01:13:55,515 --> 01:13:59,361
[light instrumental music]
1526
01:13:59,385 --> 01:14:01,197
So these concentrations
pretty much match
1527
01:14:01,221 --> 01:14:02,598
what we found in the river.
1528
01:14:02,622 --> 01:14:04,266
- So you found it in taps, too.
1529
01:14:04,290 --> 01:14:05,434
- Yeah, correct.
1530
01:14:05,458 --> 01:14:08,304
We weren't able to pinpoint
a source, so I'm thinking
1531
01:14:08,328 --> 01:14:10,006
maybe it's due to rainfall.
1532
01:14:10,030 --> 01:14:12,108
- You didn't sample
in the Ohio River.
1533
01:14:12,132 --> 01:14:13,209
- No, I haven't done that yet.
1534
01:14:13,233 --> 01:14:15,273
That would be something
that'd be really good to do,
1535
01:14:15,297 --> 01:14:16,678
especially after
everything thaws.
1536
01:14:16,702 --> 01:14:17,813
- We just don't know.
1537
01:14:17,837 --> 01:14:20,582
We just gotta do some
research and see what we find
1538
01:14:20,606 --> 01:14:23,143
and if we can find anything.
1539
01:14:24,010 --> 01:14:26,622
You have any plans to
share this information
1540
01:14:26,646 --> 01:14:30,259
with our state health
department, Bureau
1541
01:14:30,283 --> 01:14:34,096
I mean, they regulate
drinking water.
1542
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,365
- Well, I sent Dr.
Gupta all of the data.
1543
01:14:36,389 --> 01:14:39,235
He hasn't made time yet, so.
1544
01:14:39,259 --> 01:14:40,259
- Okay.
1545
01:14:42,162 --> 01:14:44,042
- [Cullen] A big event was
planned in the shadow
1546
01:14:44,066 --> 01:14:47,537
of the capitol to
celebrate safe water.
1547
01:14:49,735 --> 01:14:52,514
Dr. Gupta and the president
of West Virginia
1548
01:14:52,538 --> 01:14:56,042
American Water were
both keynote speakers.
1549
01:14:57,377 --> 01:15:00,646
- How much information
is to be shared?
1550
01:15:06,186 --> 01:15:07,463
When we don't know something,
1551
01:15:07,487 --> 01:15:08,767
I will tell you
we don't know it.
1552
01:15:08,791 --> 01:15:10,199
Thank you for having me today.
1553
01:15:10,223 --> 01:15:13,226
[audience applauds]
1554
01:15:19,499 --> 01:15:23,403
- Yeah, but what's the
minimum detection limit?
1555
01:15:24,670 --> 01:15:26,582
That's really important.
1556
01:15:26,606 --> 01:15:29,085
All I know with a very
high degree of certainty
1557
01:15:29,109 --> 01:15:30,789
is that it was in the
water two months ago.
1558
01:15:30,813 --> 01:15:32,721
Like, if you had someone
from your department
1559
01:15:32,745 --> 01:15:34,447
go and run tests...
1560
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,189
I mean, I sent you all the data.
1561
01:15:49,795 --> 01:15:51,373
But if the chemical
is in fact there,
1562
01:15:51,397 --> 01:15:55,044
then it's something that
requires a degree of speed.
1563
01:15:55,068 --> 01:15:57,279
Do you think that the
public should at least
1564
01:15:57,303 --> 01:16:01,050
have the ability to make
a decision about this
1565
01:16:01,074 --> 01:16:03,076
from the available data?
1566
01:16:05,778 --> 01:16:08,024
It would only be carefully
disseminated information
1567
01:16:08,048 --> 01:16:12,218
that explains exactly what we
know and what we don't know.
1568
01:16:20,737 --> 01:16:21,737
Thank you, Dr. Gupta.
1569
01:16:21,761 --> 01:16:24,340
- I do think people have
a right to know if any
1570
01:16:24,364 --> 01:16:27,609
substances are going to end
up in their drinking water.
1571
01:16:27,633 --> 01:16:31,480
I think people do have a
right to know that up front
1572
01:16:31,504 --> 01:16:33,049
whether these substances
are classified
1573
01:16:33,073 --> 01:16:36,085
as hazardous or non-hazardous.
1574
01:16:36,109 --> 01:16:37,869
- [Cullen] In the coming
days, his department
1575
01:16:37,893 --> 01:16:39,971
would look for any holes
they could find in our data
1576
01:16:39,995 --> 01:16:42,791
implying that we had somehow
added this chemical
1577
01:16:42,815 --> 01:16:45,251
into the samples ourselves.
1578
01:16:46,219 --> 01:16:48,730
Behind the scenes, officials had
already cast so much doubt,
1579
01:16:48,754 --> 01:16:52,434
the local press seemed
nervous to run the story.
1580
01:16:52,458 --> 01:16:54,803
It was hard to blame them as
it reminded me of something.
1581
01:16:54,827 --> 01:16:56,705
Dr. Edwards had said.
1582
01:16:56,729 --> 01:17:01,477
- You have to fight this on
your own because who else
1583
01:17:01,501 --> 01:17:03,236
wants to pay a price?
1584
01:17:04,804 --> 01:17:07,816
- [Cullen] I had exhausted
every option except for one.
1585
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:08,817
Can I hold that for one sec?
1586
01:17:08,841 --> 01:17:09,851
- Yeah.
1587
01:17:09,875 --> 01:17:11,635
- While we wait for those
answers to come in,
1588
01:17:11,659 --> 01:17:13,389
I have an announcement to make.
1589
01:17:13,413 --> 01:17:17,226
So four months ago, I
went the Kanawha River,
1590
01:17:17,250 --> 01:17:18,660
and I took samples.
1591
01:17:18,684 --> 01:17:20,404
It was an audience full
of health department
1592
01:17:20,428 --> 01:17:22,198
and water company employees.
1593
01:17:22,222 --> 01:17:25,267
I hoped that maybe they
would respond to facts.
1594
01:17:25,291 --> 01:17:27,269
These tests came
back at a range of
1595
01:17:27,293 --> 01:17:30,506
between .5 and .85
parts per billion.
1596
01:17:30,530 --> 01:17:32,708
These levels are not
considered to be safe
1597
01:17:32,732 --> 01:17:34,810
in eight states in this country.
1598
01:17:34,834 --> 01:17:36,712
This should warrant
further investigation
1599
01:17:36,736 --> 01:17:38,314
by your state officials.
1600
01:17:38,338 --> 01:17:39,315
Thank you.
1601
01:17:39,339 --> 01:17:42,818
[audience applauds]
1602
01:17:42,842 --> 01:17:45,221
- So I think it's kind of
reprehensible to come up
1603
01:17:45,245 --> 01:17:48,257
and make a statement when
you think you're sure,
1604
01:17:48,281 --> 01:17:49,858
but I can tell you I am sure.
1605
01:17:49,882 --> 01:17:52,082
And there is no concern with
the Huntington water supply
1606
01:17:52,106 --> 01:17:54,296
relating to that chemical.
1607
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:57,333
- [Cullen] Imagine if officials
had waited two months
1608
01:17:57,357 --> 01:17:59,601
after the original spill.
1609
01:17:59,625 --> 01:18:02,338
They wouldn't have
found anything.
1610
01:18:02,362 --> 01:18:05,831
Not to mention that the
soil was now frozen.
1611
01:18:07,233 --> 01:18:09,645
To my knowledge, no
testing by the regulatory
1612
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:11,771
agencies was ever done.
1613
01:18:16,542 --> 01:18:18,320
The carcinogen I had
brought attention to
1614
01:18:18,344 --> 01:18:20,756
in West Virginia, it was
just the one chemical
1615
01:18:20,780 --> 01:18:24,326
that we could detect,
and it was unregulated.
1616
01:18:24,350 --> 01:18:26,695
So legally it could
be in the water.
1617
01:18:26,719 --> 01:18:28,930
But there were still
thousands of chemicals
1618
01:18:28,954 --> 01:18:31,833
that the system couldn't
find a match for,
1619
01:18:31,857 --> 01:18:34,460
chemicals you couldn't smell.
1620
01:18:35,461 --> 01:18:37,639
And we don't know if
they're harmful or not
1621
01:18:37,663 --> 01:18:40,309
because the studies
are all confidential,
1622
01:18:40,333 --> 01:18:44,446
and the science could be
fake like it was with MCHM.
1623
01:18:44,470 --> 01:18:46,515
Besides, who's going
to look for something
1624
01:18:46,539 --> 01:18:49,685
that they don't want to find?
1625
01:18:49,709 --> 01:18:51,920
- [Dr. Gupta] Changing
culture, both industry
1626
01:18:51,944 --> 01:18:53,789
and government is a tough thing.
1627
01:18:53,813 --> 01:18:55,023
It's not easy.
1628
01:18:55,047 --> 01:18:57,459
I mean, I'm absolutely working
to change the culture within
1629
01:18:57,483 --> 01:19:00,753
our side of it, and
it's not that easy.
1630
01:19:02,755 --> 01:19:04,833
- Why do we want a villain?
1631
01:19:04,857 --> 01:19:08,270
We can exonerate ourselves
in our own minds anyway
1632
01:19:08,294 --> 01:19:10,272
if there's a villain.
1633
01:19:10,296 --> 01:19:13,509
That's why it's so
easy to be a victim.
1634
01:19:13,533 --> 01:19:16,645
- Science is based
completely on trust.
1635
01:19:16,669 --> 01:19:18,947
If scientists and engineers
aren't trustworthy,
1636
01:19:18,971 --> 01:19:21,383
the public will turn against us.
1637
01:19:21,407 --> 01:19:23,552
And I think it's
already happening.
1638
01:19:23,576 --> 01:19:25,821
And they will turn to other
sources of authority
1639
01:19:25,845 --> 01:19:28,781
who are historically
less reliable.
1640
01:19:29,815 --> 01:19:32,618
You could enter a new Dark Age.
1641
01:19:35,255 --> 01:19:36,298
[computer keys click]
1642
01:19:36,322 --> 01:19:38,242
- Failed environmental
leadership has contributed
1643
01:19:38,266 --> 01:19:40,369
to two of the worst
government-created environmental
1644
01:19:40,393 --> 01:19:42,771
disasters in decades,
which have undermined
1645
01:19:42,795 --> 01:19:45,006
the American people's
faith in the agency.
1646
01:19:45,030 --> 01:19:47,576
This is why I believe Trump
nominated attorney general,
1647
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,040
Pruitt, to serve as
the administrator
1648
01:19:49,064 --> 01:19:50,912
of the Environmental
Protection Agency.
1649
01:19:50,936 --> 01:19:55,351
- Mr. Pruitt, you have sued
the EPA 19 times to stop
1650
01:19:55,375 --> 01:19:58,820
clean air and water protections.
1651
01:19:58,844 --> 01:20:02,291
Do you believe there is
any safe level of lead...
1652
01:20:02,315 --> 01:20:04,260
- Senator, that's something
I've not reviewed
1653
01:20:04,284 --> 01:20:05,761
nor know about.
1654
01:20:05,785 --> 01:20:08,764
I've not looked at the
scientific research on that.
1655
01:20:08,788 --> 01:20:12,368
- [Cullen] In 2017, Scott
Pruitt, the new head of the EPA
1656
01:20:12,392 --> 01:20:14,927
began dismantling
his own agency.
1657
01:20:15,928 --> 01:20:20,442
- We are going to end the EPA
intrusion into your lives.
1658
01:20:20,466 --> 01:20:23,412
- [Cullen] He fired nearly
everyone on the independent
1659
01:20:23,436 --> 01:20:25,714
scientific advisory board.
1660
01:20:25,738 --> 01:20:29,818
Then began removing scientific
research from public view.
1661
01:20:29,842 --> 01:20:33,455
- This is a wholesale wiping
out of historical record.
1662
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:35,757
The science that's we've
developed and the actions
1663
01:20:35,781 --> 01:20:37,726
we've taken and
why we took them.
1664
01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:40,762
You can disagree with
many of those actions.
1665
01:20:40,786 --> 01:20:44,524
But what you can't do
is simply deny history.
1666
01:20:46,959 --> 01:20:50,530
[light instrumental music]
1667
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:56,440
- [Cullen] It was the
culmination of regulators
1668
01:20:56,464 --> 01:21:00,701
behaving unethically, of
politicians leveraging science
1669
01:21:02,442 --> 01:21:06,955
for their own benefit, of
the public losing trust
1670
01:21:06,979 --> 01:21:10,750
in a broken system, but
science isn't broken,
1671
01:21:13,619 --> 01:21:17,333
which means the system
can be rebuilt.
1672
01:21:17,357 --> 01:21:21,527
But until that happens, it's
probably best you remember
1673
01:21:22,928 --> 01:21:26,942
that we're all
downstream of something.
1674
01:21:26,966 --> 01:21:30,603
[light electronic music]
1675
01:21:33,473 --> 01:21:36,008
♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh
1676
01:21:37,477 --> 01:21:40,045
♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh
1677
01:21:40,980 --> 01:21:43,749
♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh
1678
01:21:58,631 --> 01:22:02,735
♪ Feel our flesh as we misbehave
1679
01:22:05,405 --> 01:22:08,874
♪ Drifting in the undertone
1680
01:22:10,410 --> 01:22:13,021
♪ Before you go
1681
01:22:13,045 --> 01:22:15,915
♪ It's safe now
1682
01:22:17,082 --> 01:22:20,962
♪ The water's just fine
1683
01:22:20,986 --> 01:22:25,033
♪ We close our eyes now
1684
01:22:25,057 --> 01:22:28,670
♪ I'm blind, and you are
1685
01:22:28,694 --> 01:22:30,539
- Sir are you gonna
plead guilty?
1686
01:22:30,563 --> 01:22:32,974
♪ Oh, oh, oh
1687
01:22:32,998 --> 01:22:35,935
♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh
1688
01:22:36,902 --> 01:22:40,540
♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
1689
01:22:55,821 --> 01:22:59,200
♪ Your body and breath
will now keep me
1690
01:22:59,224 --> 01:23:02,928
♪ Breathing past midnight
1691
01:23:08,468 --> 01:23:11,146
- You've gotta stop
politicizing either side
1692
01:23:11,170 --> 01:23:13,949
and get back to the science.
1693
01:23:13,973 --> 01:23:16,942
[water splashes]
1694
01:23:18,177 --> 01:23:20,889
- That was all right.
1695
01:23:20,913 --> 01:23:23,649
♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh
1696
01:23:24,517 --> 01:23:26,762
- Each of these individuals
attempted to bury
1697
01:23:26,786 --> 01:23:30,899
or cover up the
Michigan Department of
1698
01:23:30,923 --> 01:23:35,094
and the Michigan Department
of Health and Human Services.
1699
01:23:36,629 --> 01:23:38,831
♪ Oh, oh, oh
1700
01:23:40,065 --> 01:23:42,668
♪ Oh, oh, oh
1701
01:23:44,169 --> 01:23:46,972
♪ On the shore
1702
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,710
♪ To you I call
1703
01:23:51,911 --> 01:23:54,880
♪ We cannot fall
1704
01:24:03,989 --> 01:24:09,862
♪ Hide 'til spring time
1705
01:24:15,735 --> 01:24:17,737
♪ Sing
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