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- I was one of those
kids, who back in the 80s,
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was always in the video
store, always renting.
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When I wasn't at school,
I was in the video store
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and I never realized in
the 1990s I got my chance
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to be the movie geek who
worked behind the counter.
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I was the guy who people
came to for recommendations.
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Because the 1990s gave
way to the straight to video star.
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Like your Don "The
Dragon' Wilson,
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your Gary Daniels.
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Jean-Claude Van Damme,
well he was a continuation of,
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and for me the
1990s represented,
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the straight to
video side of things,
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a chance to just forget
about everything.
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Just sit back, relax, enjoy,
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take your mind off
your cares of the world
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and rent a movie.
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Meet Wesley.
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- He's such a good boy.
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He's a model student.
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- What's the matter, retard?
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Can't you talk?
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But when it comes to girls.
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- Have you even talked to her?
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He's got a lot to learn.
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- Studies have shown that
guys get much further with girls
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after they talk.
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It's time he got his education.
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- I'm Ms. Xenobia.
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The new biology teacher.
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- Holy mother of God!
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Dr. Alien.
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- It was Dr. Alien that Charles
Band took to Paramount
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and said, "We spent one point
two million making this film."
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I think it actually
cost about 350,000
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but it was, that's what he said
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because they were a huge
studio with huge overhead,
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they were still blown away.
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We can't do anything
of this quality
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for that amount of money.
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So that's what basically
started the deal
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for Full Moon Pictures
with Paramount.
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- Full Moon movies
were like huge to me.
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Those were some of
my favorite movies
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and still are.
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I mean, what set those apart
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is you'd go to the video
store, you'd rent those,
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and it was your first
glimpse into the idea
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of special features
on those VHS movies.
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I mean Subspecies,
Puppet Master,
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all of those, Trancers.
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You'd watch them and
at the end of the VHS
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after the credits, they'd have
behind the scenes footage
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or a mail order catalog
to get like replicas.
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I mean, that blew my mind
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and Full Moon was
always that studio
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that was like off their rocker.
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You had no idea what
you were getting into.
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You know, growing up, I
was really into skateboarding
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and punk rock because I just,
I wasn't one of the cool kids.
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Horror movies and that kind
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of stuff was the
only thing I had.
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I didn't have many friends.
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So, in a lot of ways
Blade, Torch, Jack Death,
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those were my friends.
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I'd go home from school and
I'd hang out with those guys
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every time I put in, you
know, a Full Moon movie.
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- I'd written the first draft
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of the original Puppet
Master for Charlie.
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What happened was they
brought David Schmoeller
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in to direct the film
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and while they were not
gonna go Director's Guild,
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they were willing to
go Writer's Guild,
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which apparently
Schmoeller was a member of.
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So he rewrote the script
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and he did a fairly
major rewrite on it.
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There's still some
similarities to my script,
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including the fact that
there's puppets in it.
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- Charlie, what he wanted
to do with Puppet Master III
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is he wanted a prequel
to the first movie
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and going back to whether it
was gonna be a period piece
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to World War II.
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Of course, the first film
is, starts with a period,
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you know, kind of the
bookends and all that stuff
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with William Hickey
and everything.
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So, I was like, okay.
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So I sat down and
started really thinking
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about this whole thing
as if we did a World War II
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and that's when I came
up with a whole thing
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and David just
embraced it like crazy
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and said, Let's
make this, you know,
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Where Eagles Dare and
Night of the Generals
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and all those great pinewood
Nazi movies of the 1960s.
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David would come
over to my place,
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we'd sit there and we
would watch these films,
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or I'd be, load him
up with cassettes.
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He got completely
totally into it.
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Got in the attitude
and everything else
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but the big stumbling block was
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is I was writing the script,
is we were supposed
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to shoot in Romania
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and it was gonna be one
of the very first ones
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to be done over there.
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There was some
sort of a problem.
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So, suddenly that was
no longer an option
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and we're like going, well
what are we going to do?
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Because of course to do
a World War II film there
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and what have you, is a
whole different bag of beans
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than doing it here and
it was John Schoweiler
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and DeCoteau who got together
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and they were the ones who
not only convinced Charlie
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but made the deal for us to
make the movie at Universal
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which was just sensational.
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So, we all, you know, we
moved into the Universal back lot.
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Had more visitors, probably,
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than any other Full
Moon production
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just 'cause everybody
wanted to go
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'cause we shooting in
Frankenstein village.
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So everybody wanted
to be there and every,
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it was great.
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We had a ball and
of course the film
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has this tremendous look.
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With David and his
collaborationwith Adolfo Bartoli
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because here we have, you know,
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a true studio back
lot and a back lot
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with this history
that related directly
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to the movie we were making.
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So, yeah that was really cool.
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- You said you
could devise a drug
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so it would give a
dead soldier movement.
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But Andre
Toulon didn't need wires.
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To make death move.
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- This is exactly what we
foundin the marionette theater.
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- And this will solve all
your problems, doctor?
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- If I can get to Toulon
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I know we can prolong
the soldiers new life
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but I must get to him.
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- Herr Toulon has
escaped your custody.
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- We are very close
to finding him.
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- Nothing will stop me
from seeking you out
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and making each one
of you to your knees
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for what you have done
and you will cry me mercy.
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Puppet Master III.
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- Completely and totally
and it is the best one.
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No, it's not a fan favorite.
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- No, it is.
- Let's, let's.
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No, I know it is, but
let's really cut chop
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the rest of the heads off.
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Come on, it's the best one.
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- Some years later they
were doing four and five
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and my friend, Mike
Deak, was running a shop
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for Charlie called
Alchemy and Wayne Toth
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came up with the cool idea
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of making this demon puppet.
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It was a like a walk
around Bunraku puppet.
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I thought it was a cool idea.
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Basically, the
operator was concealed
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inside a double layered
cape behind the person.
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There was a linkage so
the puppet was taller
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than a person.
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So there was a linkage
from the operator's head
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to the neck and head
of the character
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I think he had some
medallion on his chest
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that the performer could
actually see out of.
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The arms had rods
coming out of the elbows
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and of course there was
drapey fabric on there
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so you didn't see
the puppeteer's arms.
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There was something
mounting it to the body
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to hold over all weight
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and then the performer's
feet fit behind the thing
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so it could actually walk
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and this thing, of course,
had this impossible anatomy,
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very skeletal looking,
very sinewy things,
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it couldn't possibly
be a guy in a suit.
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- I got involved with Full Moon
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on Puppet Master VI and V.
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When Ricky Meyers tapped
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into the secret of
artificial life.
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- It's the formula.
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He became the master
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of Andre Toulon's puppets.
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The future is yours.
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Guard and protect it
and keep it from evil.
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Now, his newfound power
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will make him a pawn.
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- And you say there are
seven of these puppets
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still at the hotel?
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Between a corporation.
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Now once we're inside,
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what we're looking for
is six string less puppets.
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And a demon from hell.
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Puppet Master 5.
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- It was gonna be one
movie for Paramount
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and then they decided
no, we're gonna,
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it's not gonna be a
theatrical for Paramount.
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We're gonna pare
the budgets down
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and do them kinda split
the script in half
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and do two movies.
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So he got kind of two
movies for the price of none
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and those, because they were
Paramount negative pickups,
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I guess, or they were
under a Paramount deal,
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they got very good distribution,
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video wise, around the world.
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They were a hoot to make
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and it was, the script
had already existed
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for the theatrical movie
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but it had been changed
a lot through the,
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I think there are five credited,
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six counting Charlie, credited
writers on the two movies
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and we all threw our hand in
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and the scripts, both
scripts were incoherent mess.
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So the only way you can
have any fun with them
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is just to go nuts
as much as you could
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within the context
of the production.
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- When Charlie asked
me if I would come back
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and start writing movies again.
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I said look, I really
would want to direct again,
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or direct period, I should say.
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I had been asking him about
this back in the Empire days
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and in fact, I had come up with,
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believe it or not, with an idea
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to remake Not of this Earth
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and this was, of course I
didn't know Jim Wynorski
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was doing it with Traci
Lords and all that stuff.
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So that was kinda happening.
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So that ended that, plus it was,
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you know, owned by
a different company.
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But, when Empire shut
its door and then Full Moon,
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so I was like, okay,
let's try this again.
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Trancers Three happened
for me as a director
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for really only two reasons.
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Albert Band and Tim Thomerson.
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Of course, it was
Charlie's ultimate decisions
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but his dad completely backed
me on directing the movie
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and then Tim just
was, he was amazing.
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He, 'cause he had been in
moviethat I had written already.
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So we knew each other,
we liked each other,
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but boy he just came in there
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like the flaming
sword of Siegfried
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and he was the series.
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A cop from another world.
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- What's the matter?
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You never seen a cop before?
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And a nurse shrunk by aliens.
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- Just the thing to
drive G.I. Joe insane.
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Are teaming
up with a big partner.
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- She's a cop in trouble.
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For some deadly fun and games.
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- Toys that come to
life and kill people
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to help a demon from hell?
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You can go where those toys go.
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You're the perfect size
to help me kick their butts.
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- Let's start up the
entertainment, boys.
253
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And this time.
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This is ass kicking.
255
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- Get away from me.
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They're picking
on someone their own size.
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- Gosh, guys.
258
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This is the best bachelorparty
a guy could ever ask for.
259
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- Pop goes the weasel.
260
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- That was, I think we had
the original Buechler puppets.
261
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I made Baby Oopsy-Daisy
and I made the Jack in the Box.
262
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Baby Oopsy-Daisy I
wasn't terribly happy
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with the way that turned out
264
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but I basically had a
week to make each one
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of these things.
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So there was no stopping
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and then I also made
a new character,
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which was supposed to be
sort of like a G.I. Joe
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action man thing
which was a suit
270
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that was worn by Ted Haines.
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- I really like Dr. Mordrid.
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I think it's just got
some great stuff in it.
273
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Even though we were, again,
working very limited funds.
274
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There was so much
in that worked well.
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I really liked Yvette Nipar,
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I thought she was terrific
277
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and we had obviously
a terrific bad guy
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in Brian Thompson.
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Dr. M. Tom Mordrid
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has stood guard
between our world
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and the dark dimensions.
282
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Now, after centuries of waiting,
283
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evil's ultimate
warrior has arrived.
284
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- Kabal is a demon who
uses mortals to do his bidding.
285
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- What difference does it make
286
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if I want this dying planet?
287
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- A sorcerer is not a god.
288
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- Full Moon movies, you can
tell every single department
289
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put everything into that.
290
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You know?
291
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The art department, special
effects, practical effects.
292
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I mean, Jesus Christ,
what a glorious time
293
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to be alive in the 80s and
90s watching those movies.
294
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- Parting is such sweet sorrow.
295
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- Totally sucks.
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♪ Why do they not believe
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♪ I have not lied
even for this ♪
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♪ Now no one can conceive
299
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♪ The lie becomes
the loving kiss ♪
300
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♪ Sacrifice
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♪ Sacrifice
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♪ Sacrifice
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♪ Sacrifice
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♪ Sacrifice
305
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♪ Pay the price
306
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- I was a huge horror
nerd growing up.
307
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You know, watching things
like Night of the Demons
308
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and Sorority Babes in
the Slimeball Bowl-O-Rama
309
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and like the original
Toxic Avenger.
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I would, you know, just kind
of watch these crazy movies
311
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on the weekend, never in
a million years was I like,
312
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oh I can make these films.
313
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Because in my head these
are Hollywood movies
314
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and you needed to know
Hollywoodpeople to do that, right?
315
00:16:36,857 --> 00:16:38,417
But where I went to
school in Manhattan,
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there were a lot of
actor kids that like would,
317
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you know, Broadway
actors and what not
318
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and they would read this
paper called Backstage
319
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and I was like,
oh let me see that
320
00:16:45,866 --> 00:16:48,317
and there happened to be
an ad for Troma Studios.
321
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They were looking for
extras for their movie
322
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Tromeo and Juliet
323
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and I was like, that's Troma.
324
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Like oh my god.
325
00:16:55,152 --> 00:16:56,532
Surf Nazis Must Die.
326
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Like I have to go
and so I cut school
327
00:16:58,948 --> 00:17:00,226
and I went down to the audition
328
00:17:00,260 --> 00:17:01,710
and I told them
all these stories
329
00:17:01,744 --> 00:17:03,815
about what a great actor I was
330
00:17:03,850 --> 00:17:05,138
and they were like,
what special skills
331
00:17:05,162 --> 00:17:06,335
do you have?
332
00:17:06,370 --> 00:17:08,268
I'm like, man, I'm a
black belt in jiu-jitsu.
333
00:17:08,303 --> 00:17:12,169
I think I was like maybe
a green belt in jiu-jitsu
334
00:17:12,203 --> 00:17:14,240
and I was probably like
a triple black belt
335
00:17:14,274 --> 00:17:17,070
in street fighting but I
certainly didn't have like,
336
00:17:17,105 --> 00:17:19,693
you know, I wasn't Bruce Lee.
337
00:17:20,867 --> 00:17:23,421
But they I think
liked my bullshit
338
00:17:23,456 --> 00:17:25,423
or my excitement for the genre
339
00:17:25,458 --> 00:17:29,255
and James Gunn, it was James
Gunn first movie with Troma
340
00:17:29,289 --> 00:17:31,291
and Lloyd Kaufman were like,
341
00:17:31,326 --> 00:17:33,500
well you know, you're pretty
good, funny or whatever
342
00:17:33,535 --> 00:17:35,019
and they gave me
the part of Peter
343
00:17:35,054 --> 00:17:36,445
the bodyguard to
the Capulet family.
344
00:17:36,469 --> 00:17:38,919
Which I was, like
you don't understand.
345
00:17:38,954 --> 00:17:42,475
Like I would have
walked in the background
346
00:17:42,509 --> 00:17:44,373
of that movie and I
could have been happy
347
00:17:44,408 --> 00:17:45,937
and just kinda of went
on with the rest of my life
348
00:17:45,961 --> 00:17:48,101
but the fact that I had
like a speaking part in it
349
00:17:48,136 --> 00:17:49,551
and I got to fight in it
350
00:17:49,585 --> 00:17:52,036
and you know, have
stunts go wrong, obviously,
351
00:17:52,071 --> 00:17:54,521
because I really
didn't know jiu-jitsu
352
00:17:54,556 --> 00:17:56,351
but it was a dream.
353
00:17:56,385 --> 00:17:59,630
It kinda of, it's the only
reason I'm still in the genre.
354
00:17:59,664 --> 00:18:02,219
- Well, we began Troma in 1974.
355
00:18:02,253 --> 00:18:04,807
So by the 90s, were considered
356
00:18:04,842 --> 00:18:08,811
a major independent
movie studio with movies like
357
00:18:08,846 --> 00:18:12,539
The Toxic Avenger and
I think the 90s for us
358
00:18:12,574 --> 00:18:17,510
was the time that we moved
from the Toxic Avenger
359
00:18:18,683 --> 00:18:20,178
and Class of Nuke Em
High and Troma's War,
360
00:18:20,202 --> 00:18:22,998
we moved into Shakespeare
with Tromeo and Juliet
361
00:18:23,032 --> 00:18:27,623
and we added more
and more genres
362
00:18:27,658 --> 00:18:30,626
to our distinct Troma touch.
363
00:18:30,661 --> 00:18:35,666
Troma movies are not
really genre movies.
364
00:18:36,839 --> 00:18:38,600
If anything they're a
Cuisinart of genres.
365
00:18:38,634 --> 00:18:42,155
They combine horror,
science fiction, comedy, politics,
366
00:18:42,190 --> 00:18:45,848
Shakespeare in the case of
the movie we just finished also,
367
00:18:45,883 --> 00:18:48,541
Shakespeare Shit Storm,
which we just finished shooting.
368
00:18:48,575 --> 00:18:52,269
These are movies
that combine genres
369
00:18:52,303 --> 00:18:55,927
and Troma has kinda
of its own brand,
370
00:18:55,962 --> 00:18:59,034
shall we say, which may be
why we're here for so many years.
371
00:18:59,068 --> 00:19:03,280
- Don't give up the fight for
truly independent cinema!
372
00:19:04,867 --> 00:19:08,975
- By the 90s came along,
the VHS was going away
373
00:19:09,009 --> 00:19:14,014
and so was all the
independent video stores.
374
00:19:14,877 --> 00:19:16,362
Again, I'm a little hazy on it
375
00:19:16,396 --> 00:19:19,330
but it seems that an evil
empire called Blockbuster
376
00:19:19,365 --> 00:19:21,160
put everybody out of business
377
00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:24,680
and they in turn went bankrupt.
378
00:19:25,509 --> 00:19:26,682
♪ What a difference
379
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The two elements that
make us successful
380
00:19:28,788 --> 00:19:31,135
is our movies are
good and they last
381
00:19:31,170 --> 00:19:32,999
and they're still here.
382
00:19:33,033 --> 00:19:35,001
Terror Firmer is literally
a movie that came out
383
00:19:35,035 --> 00:19:37,176
in 1999 that nobody understood
384
00:19:37,210 --> 00:19:39,281
and it is a crazy movie.
385
00:19:40,696 --> 00:19:42,284
Terror Firmer.
386
00:19:42,319 --> 00:19:44,873
- What we got here is
a basic cereal killer.
387
00:19:44,907 --> 00:19:47,807
- You know your killer's
choices of victims
388
00:19:47,841 --> 00:19:49,843
indicates some sort
of personal animosity
389
00:19:49,878 --> 00:19:51,466
against you and your company.
390
00:19:51,500 --> 00:19:54,917
- Family values must be saved!
391
00:19:54,952 --> 00:19:56,125
- Yeah, right.
392
00:19:59,991 --> 00:20:01,061
- Where's the blood?
393
00:20:01,096 --> 00:20:02,798
Where's the blood? God
damn it, where's the blood?
394
00:20:02,822 --> 00:20:03,788
- We're dead.
395
00:20:03,823 --> 00:20:04,617
No!
396
00:20:04,651 --> 00:20:07,033
This is a Troma movie.
397
00:20:07,067 --> 00:20:09,208
- That guy is really dead.
398
00:20:09,242 --> 00:20:11,796
- These movie people
are disgusting.
399
00:20:13,073 --> 00:20:15,248
- Oh, so you're asking
me about Terror Firmer,
400
00:20:15,283 --> 00:20:17,595
my huge big part
in Terror Firmer.
401
00:20:17,630 --> 00:20:21,358
I mean it is like I was the
star of that movie, naturally.
402
00:20:21,392 --> 00:20:25,085
My part consisted, I
think of this, like.
403
00:20:27,156 --> 00:20:27,950
That's it.
404
00:20:27,985 --> 00:20:29,055
That was it.
405
00:20:29,089 --> 00:20:31,057
I think that was it.
I think I came on to the set
406
00:20:31,091 --> 00:20:34,647
to give a really
dumb shocked reaction
407
00:20:34,681 --> 00:20:36,821
to somebody's head
getting like chopped off,
408
00:20:36,856 --> 00:20:38,996
I think, maybe, if I
remember correctly.
409
00:20:39,030 --> 00:20:41,388
I think I was there maybe
amatter of 10 minutes on the set,
410
00:20:41,412 --> 00:20:43,345
if I'm remembering right.
411
00:20:43,380 --> 00:20:45,865
So yes, you're welcome
for Terror Firmer,
412
00:20:45,899 --> 00:20:46,831
it was all me.
413
00:20:46,866 --> 00:20:48,868
Thank you, thank you.
414
00:20:51,871 --> 00:20:52,665
- Yabba dabba do.
415
00:20:52,699 --> 00:20:54,253
- What did I tell ya?
416
00:20:54,287 --> 00:20:55,644
- You know, Jim
and I were friends.
417
00:20:55,668 --> 00:20:57,186
Just he's a fan
418
00:20:57,221 --> 00:21:01,536
and he was friends with Mark
McGee and people like that
419
00:21:01,570 --> 00:21:04,573
and I met him at some
different parties and stuff
420
00:21:04,608 --> 00:21:09,233
but mostly through Bill
Warren and Mark McGee.
421
00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:10,890
Jim and I got to
know each other.
422
00:21:10,924 --> 00:21:13,410
We really weren't
friends but for a few years
423
00:21:13,444 --> 00:21:15,722
and then, you know, we
just started hanging out.
424
00:21:15,757 --> 00:21:17,241
We lived near each other
425
00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:21,866
and eventually we thought of
doing a few projects together.
426
00:21:21,901 --> 00:21:24,731
Which we did and
we've had some fun.
427
00:21:28,597 --> 00:21:31,393
- Dinosaur Island we
decided to co-direct.
428
00:21:31,428 --> 00:21:34,603
Which was wonderful
because were surrounded
429
00:21:34,638 --> 00:21:39,194
by a horde of hot
chicks for two weeks.
430
00:21:39,228 --> 00:21:41,852
Okay and this is
beyond Michelle Bauer,
431
00:21:41,886 --> 00:21:44,199
or Griffin Drew,
and Antonia Dorian,
432
00:21:44,233 --> 00:21:46,270
and Toni Naples, who
was also in that movie.
433
00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:50,654
There were a number of
other, you know, fun girls.
434
00:21:50,688 --> 00:21:53,967
That's where we met
Nikki Fritz for the first time
435
00:21:54,002 --> 00:21:57,833
and we had hired this
girl to do a dance
436
00:21:57,868 --> 00:22:00,629
and she was awful.
437
00:22:00,664 --> 00:22:05,116
We started shooting it and
she just didn't know how to move
438
00:22:05,151 --> 00:22:07,498
and I said, and
Fred was directing.
439
00:22:07,533 --> 00:22:10,294
I said, Fred let's
do this tomorrow.
440
00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:12,848
Call it a night.
441
00:22:12,883 --> 00:22:15,230
I'll get somebody knew
and I had met this Nikki Fritz
442
00:22:15,264 --> 00:22:17,681
who was a stripper from Florida
443
00:22:17,715 --> 00:22:21,926
and she came in the next
day and just nailed it
444
00:22:21,961 --> 00:22:23,928
and I'm so glad we waited.
445
00:22:24,964 --> 00:22:27,518
A house abandoned.
446
00:22:27,553 --> 00:22:28,692
- We're gonna turn this
447
00:22:28,726 --> 00:22:30,418
into the best sorority
house in school.
448
00:22:31,591 --> 00:22:33,731
That holds a secret.
449
00:22:33,766 --> 00:22:35,492
- A Ouija board.
450
00:22:35,526 --> 00:22:37,356
Let's shake up the spirit world.
451
00:22:37,390 --> 00:22:38,840
- There were sets left over
452
00:22:38,874 --> 00:22:41,429
from Slumber Party
Massacre Three
453
00:22:41,463 --> 00:22:42,706
and they were trashed.
454
00:22:42,740 --> 00:22:45,950
They had blood all over
and paint spilled on em
455
00:22:45,985 --> 00:22:49,195
and all the furniture
had been removed
456
00:22:50,092 --> 00:22:53,268
and I called Julie Corman
457
00:22:53,302 --> 00:22:55,108
and said, you know I
could shoot a horror movie
458
00:22:55,132 --> 00:22:58,480
here in about six days,
if you gave me the money
459
00:22:58,515 --> 00:23:00,724
and she said, "Well
those sets are trashed."
460
00:23:00,758 --> 00:23:03,623
And I said, I'll make it work
461
00:23:03,658 --> 00:23:05,418
and so I came up with the idea
462
00:23:05,453 --> 00:23:08,387
that five girls are
moving into a house
463
00:23:08,421 --> 00:23:10,527
that has been trashed
464
00:23:10,561 --> 00:23:12,114
and the villain is Hokstedter
465
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:15,048
which by, you know, coincidence
466
00:23:15,083 --> 00:23:16,912
was the name of my
Directory of Photography
467
00:23:16,947 --> 00:23:18,604
for the last couple of movies
468
00:23:18,638 --> 00:23:21,814
and it was Clive Hokstedter
469
00:23:21,848 --> 00:23:26,439
and I needed somebody to
play the other villain
470
00:23:26,474 --> 00:23:30,547
and the other villain was
played by Orville Ketchum,
471
00:23:30,581 --> 00:23:32,445
who really wasn't
a villain at all.
472
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,103
That name popped into my head
473
00:23:35,137 --> 00:23:38,244
as I was writing the script.
474
00:23:38,278 --> 00:23:40,419
I had to write the
script in like four days
475
00:23:41,592 --> 00:23:44,699
just to get, make sure
it got read and approved
476
00:23:44,733 --> 00:23:46,770
before everybody
left for Europe.
477
00:23:46,804 --> 00:23:48,875
Rodger and his wife
were just taking off.
478
00:23:48,910 --> 00:23:50,946
So I had to write
it in four days
479
00:23:50,981 --> 00:23:53,086
and I was sitting
there at New Horizons,
480
00:23:53,121 --> 00:23:56,538
in one of the spare
rooms, typing away
481
00:23:56,573 --> 00:23:58,609
and that name just
came into my head.
482
00:23:58,644 --> 00:24:00,784
A few days after they
approved they script,
483
00:24:00,818 --> 00:24:03,131
I was casting, and
he just walked in.
484
00:24:03,165 --> 00:24:06,341
He was the only
guy who walked in
485
00:24:06,375 --> 00:24:09,344
and when he came in I
said, that's my guy.
486
00:24:09,378 --> 00:24:11,484
That's Orville Ketchum, okay,
487
00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:14,453
and he sat down and
he read the script
488
00:24:14,487 --> 00:24:17,421
and he turned on
Orville Ketchum.
489
00:24:18,353 --> 00:24:19,837
He just did it.
490
00:24:19,872 --> 00:24:24,221
Right there in
the casting office
491
00:24:24,255 --> 00:24:26,223
and it was wonderful.
492
00:24:26,257 --> 00:24:27,707
I said, this the guy.
493
00:24:27,742 --> 00:24:31,400
This is a sign from God
that I should make this movie.
494
00:24:35,646 --> 00:24:37,476
- We were reinventing
something there.
495
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:42,204
We were doing a parody
ofsomething that was very popular
496
00:24:42,239 --> 00:24:46,623
at the time and in Jim
inventing that character
497
00:24:47,865 --> 00:24:50,005
destroyed all the
other movies before it,
498
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,180
in my opinion, because
I just love Orville.
499
00:24:52,214 --> 00:24:54,320
Orville Ketchum is
my favorite character
500
00:24:54,354 --> 00:24:56,391
of all the Jim Wynorski films
501
00:24:56,425 --> 00:24:59,152
and working with Peter
Spellos on those things
502
00:24:59,187 --> 00:25:00,568
was amazing, too.
503
00:25:00,602 --> 00:25:01,914
A madman has sealed
504
00:25:01,948 --> 00:25:03,881
off a Los Angeles high rise
505
00:25:04,744 --> 00:25:06,712
trapping the occupants inside.
506
00:25:09,266 --> 00:25:10,266
- Who's there?
507
00:25:12,338 --> 00:25:14,098
- Hey, the phones dead.
508
00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:18,206
Now, five young
women are joining forces
509
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,725
and fighting for their lives.
510
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:22,797
- Look, it's three against one,
511
00:25:22,831 --> 00:25:24,350
the odds are in our favor.
512
00:25:24,384 --> 00:25:26,076
- Maybe I can
increase those odds.
513
00:25:28,216 --> 00:25:29,907
- I love that character
514
00:25:29,942 --> 00:25:33,393
and when Rodger Corman
said make another one,
515
00:25:34,602 --> 00:25:36,396
which was Hard to Die,
516
00:25:36,431 --> 00:25:37,822
because he had just
finished this thing
517
00:25:37,846 --> 00:25:39,814
called Corporate Assets
518
00:25:39,848 --> 00:25:42,713
and it's a movie that
everybody's forgotten, everybody.
519
00:25:42,748 --> 00:25:46,614
I don't think it's even
available on DVD or VHS
520
00:25:46,648 --> 00:25:51,204
and he had all these
office building pieces
521
00:25:51,239 --> 00:25:54,138
and I just said I'm gonna
do hard, you know Die Hard
522
00:25:54,173 --> 00:25:58,108
with chicks in a, in
a great, on great sets
523
00:25:58,142 --> 00:25:59,040
and we did.
524
00:25:59,074 --> 00:26:00,800
We had a great time doing that.
525
00:26:00,835 --> 00:26:02,319
Deborah Dutch was
in that one, too.
526
00:26:02,353 --> 00:26:05,633
- We were working in theoriginal
Rodger Corman studios,
527
00:26:05,667 --> 00:26:07,531
Santa Rosa Avenue of Venice
528
00:26:07,566 --> 00:26:11,984
and the turn around,
sometimes, was barely eight hours
529
00:26:12,018 --> 00:26:13,882
but he always made
sure it was eight hours
530
00:26:13,917 --> 00:26:17,092
but driving from West
Hollywood to Venice
531
00:26:17,127 --> 00:26:18,680
and then staying real late.
532
00:26:18,715 --> 00:26:22,132
So the hours, you
know, kind of grueling
533
00:26:22,166 --> 00:26:24,548
because we have a
budget, you know,
534
00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:29,588
in low budget movie making
of maybe two weeks top,
535
00:26:30,727 --> 00:26:32,142
if you have that,
usually 10 days
536
00:26:32,176 --> 00:26:35,283
and I had a lead
role, co-star role.
537
00:26:35,317 --> 00:26:39,011
So it just was boom
boom boom boom boom.
538
00:26:39,045 --> 00:26:42,739
So as long as you
showed up early
539
00:26:42,773 --> 00:26:46,328
before your call time to make
sure you were completely
540
00:26:46,363 --> 00:26:50,091
set ready, camera
ready, knew your lines,
541
00:26:50,125 --> 00:26:54,543
hit your marks, and weren't
a problem, Jim loved you.
542
00:26:54,578 --> 00:26:59,272
We had squibs on us because
I get killed by a machine gun
543
00:26:59,307 --> 00:27:02,310
and we were in the warehouse
544
00:27:02,344 --> 00:27:04,346
where the guns are
545
00:27:04,381 --> 00:27:08,350
and Jim goes, and it's
towards the end of the movie,
546
00:27:08,385 --> 00:27:10,905
so we had to stay on budget
547
00:27:10,939 --> 00:27:14,218
and with the special
effects of squibs back then,
548
00:27:14,253 --> 00:27:15,461
you know, this was a big deal,
549
00:27:15,495 --> 00:27:17,290
'cause blood would
splatter allover
550
00:27:17,325 --> 00:27:18,602
and everything like that.
551
00:27:18,637 --> 00:27:20,224
So you can't mess up.
552
00:27:20,259 --> 00:27:21,570
You just can't do it.
553
00:27:21,605 --> 00:27:24,677
So, Jim goes, "Okay Debbie,
554
00:27:24,712 --> 00:27:26,517
there's gonna be one
shot there, one shot there,
555
00:27:26,541 --> 00:27:28,336
one shot there" with the AK47,
556
00:27:28,370 --> 00:27:31,028
"One shot there, one shotthere,
one shot there, one shot,
557
00:27:31,063 --> 00:27:34,031
and while the shots
there, it hits you in the chest
558
00:27:34,066 --> 00:27:35,067
and you fall back."
559
00:27:35,101 --> 00:27:36,171
And I said, okay.
560
00:27:36,206 --> 00:27:37,897
He says, "Okay, camera rolling."
561
00:27:37,932 --> 00:27:41,176
Boom, boom, boom,
boom and I went
562
00:27:41,211 --> 00:27:42,315
and I made a mistake.
563
00:27:42,350 --> 00:27:44,041
I did not do it on time
564
00:27:44,076 --> 00:27:45,042
and he's like, "Cut, cut, cut.
565
00:27:45,077 --> 00:27:46,561
No, Debbie.
566
00:27:46,595 --> 00:27:50,082
When the AK47", it's a six
shot or something like that,
567
00:27:50,116 --> 00:27:51,808
"That's when you do it."
568
00:27:51,842 --> 00:27:53,395
I said, okay, okay I got it.
569
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:54,776
So I'm sitting there, you know,
570
00:27:54,811 --> 00:27:56,916
making sure I got
this, with a squib
571
00:27:56,951 --> 00:27:59,022
because they're
gonna explode it.
572
00:27:59,056 --> 00:28:00,333
The bloods gonna go.
573
00:28:00,368 --> 00:28:01,749
So, you go boom boom.
574
00:28:01,783 --> 00:28:03,785
I messed up the second time.
575
00:28:03,820 --> 00:28:05,925
The third time I just
said, I said like,
576
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,170
oh no, this is it, third
one, it's gonna be it.
577
00:28:09,204 --> 00:28:10,827
So boom boom boom boom boom.
578
00:28:10,861 --> 00:28:13,381
I went bam, fall
back on my back,
579
00:28:13,415 --> 00:28:17,005
my feet go straight up in
the air, I scream of course,
580
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,077
and Jim goes, "Cut"
581
00:28:20,112 --> 00:28:21,769
and the whole place cracked up.
582
00:28:21,803 --> 00:28:24,150
When you see that scene,
I literally bounce,
583
00:28:24,185 --> 00:28:27,498
my feet go straight up in
the air and then I go dead.
584
00:28:27,533 --> 00:28:30,847
- What would happen is that
he kind of threw me in there
585
00:28:30,881 --> 00:28:34,747
and, you know, actors are
alwayslooking to pay their rent.
586
00:28:34,782 --> 00:28:36,680
So he would call and
he'd go, "Are you free,
587
00:28:36,715 --> 00:28:38,106
do you want to come
down, and you know,
588
00:28:38,130 --> 00:28:39,683
so you can make a
little bit of money?"
589
00:28:39,718 --> 00:28:44,170
and he'd always have these
weird things for me to do.
590
00:28:44,205 --> 00:28:46,966
I just remember, I think
it was Monique and I,
591
00:28:47,001 --> 00:28:48,243
Monique Gabrielle and I.
592
00:28:48,278 --> 00:28:50,314
- Cut, cut, cut, cut.
593
00:28:50,349 --> 00:28:51,660
For Christ sake, cut.
594
00:28:51,695 --> 00:28:53,017
- What's the matter
with that, Mel?
595
00:28:53,041 --> 00:28:54,605
- Yeah, I thought we
had a real moment there.
596
00:28:54,629 --> 00:28:55,423
- Me, too.
597
00:28:55,457 --> 00:28:56,735
- Look at your feet.
598
00:28:56,769 --> 00:29:00,221
How many times I have told
youto go to bed with your shoes on?
599
00:29:00,255 --> 00:29:02,602
- Well, nobody goes to
bed with spiked heels on.
600
00:29:02,637 --> 00:29:03,776
That's ridiculous.
601
00:29:03,811 --> 00:29:05,985
- Yeah, well some people
think they're sexy,
602
00:29:06,020 --> 00:29:07,055
- It's stupid.
603
00:29:07,090 --> 00:29:08,401
- I agree.
604
00:29:08,436 --> 00:29:09,965
- I've never been to bed with
a girl who keeps her shoes on.
605
00:29:09,989 --> 00:29:11,404
- Yeah and lay you odds
606
00:29:11,439 --> 00:29:13,797
you've never been to bed with
two women at the same time, either.
607
00:29:13,821 --> 00:29:15,557
Neither have the slobs
that rent these movies.
608
00:29:15,581 --> 00:29:16,996
That's why we're making em.
609
00:29:17,031 --> 00:29:19,688
- You know, any movie
with that many machine guns
610
00:29:19,723 --> 00:29:21,794
and that much real pyro
611
00:29:21,829 --> 00:29:26,074
and you can see the
wires coming from Peters.
612
00:29:26,109 --> 00:29:28,628
You know, they had him
wired up with so many squibs
613
00:29:28,663 --> 00:29:30,320
and so many, it was
just, I loved it.
614
00:29:30,354 --> 00:29:32,322
I loved working on
those kind of films.
615
00:29:33,702 --> 00:29:35,128
They broke into the mall
616
00:29:35,152 --> 00:29:38,017
for the wildest all
night party of their lives.
617
00:29:40,433 --> 00:29:41,607
- They're dead meat.
618
00:29:42,850 --> 00:29:44,334
But you're never alone
619
00:29:45,714 --> 00:29:47,544
in the Chopping Mall.
620
00:29:47,578 --> 00:29:50,961
- I met him because he
called me in for a meeting
621
00:29:50,996 --> 00:29:53,515
for, it was called
Robot at the time,
622
00:29:53,550 --> 00:29:54,862
then it was called Killbot
623
00:29:54,896 --> 00:29:57,899
and you all know it
as Chopping Mall.
624
00:29:59,798 --> 00:30:02,007
Much to our chagrin at the time.
625
00:30:02,041 --> 00:30:03,180
However, little did I know
626
00:30:03,215 --> 00:30:04,837
I'd be sitting here in 2019
627
00:30:04,872 --> 00:30:06,114
talking about Chopping Mall.
628
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:07,598
So, thank you.
629
00:30:09,117 --> 00:30:11,810
I went in and auditioned and
I was doing The Zero Boys
630
00:30:11,844 --> 00:30:13,018
which it was a night shoot,
631
00:30:13,052 --> 00:30:14,985
so we would break at
the crack of dawn.
632
00:30:15,020 --> 00:30:16,953
We did it at Jason's cabin.
633
00:30:16,987 --> 00:30:19,127
So it was kind of a far
drive and everything else
634
00:30:19,162 --> 00:30:21,612
and so I went pretty
much right from the set.
635
00:30:21,647 --> 00:30:22,751
I was exhausted.
636
00:30:22,786 --> 00:30:24,512
So I was super relaxed.
637
00:30:24,546 --> 00:30:26,317
And he thought, okay
this girls gonna be great
638
00:30:26,341 --> 00:30:27,687
to work with because she's got,
639
00:30:27,722 --> 00:30:29,413
hasn't got a nerve in her body
640
00:30:29,448 --> 00:30:31,450
and there's nothing
I can do that's going
641
00:30:31,484 --> 00:30:34,384
to upset her, probably
is what he thought,
642
00:30:34,418 --> 00:30:36,524
and then I had to read for Julie
643
00:30:36,558 --> 00:30:37,732
and I kind of got nervous.
644
00:30:37,766 --> 00:30:39,216
He said, "What's
the matter with you?
645
00:30:39,251 --> 00:30:40,217
You were so relaxed before."
646
00:30:40,252 --> 00:30:42,668
And I said, well
I was tired then
647
00:30:42,702 --> 00:30:45,498
and now I'm auditing
for the Cormans
648
00:30:45,533 --> 00:30:46,914
but you know, I calmed down
649
00:30:46,948 --> 00:30:48,950
and fortunately for
me I got the part
650
00:30:48,985 --> 00:30:51,919
and then from there
on, like I said,
651
00:30:51,953 --> 00:30:54,438
I will reiterate,
you're always happy
652
00:30:54,473 --> 00:30:57,096
to go in and do something for a day or so
653
00:30:57,131 --> 00:31:00,030
because you're always, you know.
654
00:31:00,065 --> 00:31:02,584
It's a freelance
type of gig, acting.
655
00:31:02,619 --> 00:31:05,104
So I was very grateful that,
656
00:31:06,450 --> 00:31:08,487
to anybody that continues to, calls you up
657
00:31:08,521 --> 00:31:11,248
and says do you want to
come and do something,
658
00:31:11,283 --> 00:31:13,078
because it means that,
659
00:31:13,112 --> 00:31:15,977
you know it's that no
like and trust factor
660
00:31:17,185 --> 00:31:20,361
and that's a lot of this
business is all about.
661
00:31:20,395 --> 00:31:22,328
One day I got a
call from Andy Lane
662
00:31:22,363 --> 00:31:25,676
and he said, "Do you want
to be in Servants of Twilight?"
663
00:31:25,711 --> 00:31:28,127
And I looked at
it, and I thought,
664
00:31:28,162 --> 00:31:30,923
this is a great part because
in the book everyone,
665
00:31:30,958 --> 00:31:32,442
I don't know if it
reads in the movie
666
00:31:32,476 --> 00:31:34,927
'cause I don't, I haven't
seen it in a long time
667
00:31:34,962 --> 00:31:39,828
but in the book it reads
like she could be the person,
668
00:31:39,863 --> 00:31:42,141
she could be the
leak in that office
669
00:31:42,176 --> 00:31:44,005
and I thought, that's very,
670
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,834
that's great, I'd love to.
671
00:31:45,869 --> 00:31:48,458
And so, and I didn't really,
672
00:31:48,492 --> 00:31:51,047
at the time I don't think I was
aware of Bruce Greenwood
673
00:31:51,081 --> 00:31:53,049
but I was afterwards, you know,
674
00:31:53,083 --> 00:31:55,396
and I thought, wow,
thank you, Andy.
675
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:56,880
Servants of Twilight.
676
00:32:00,504 --> 00:32:02,023
- Hello?
677
00:32:02,058 --> 00:32:03,956
Joey Scavello?
678
00:32:03,991 --> 00:32:05,233
- Grandma?
679
00:32:05,268 --> 00:32:08,029
I told you
couldn't hide from me.
680
00:32:08,064 --> 00:32:11,688
I can see you wherever you go.
681
00:32:11,722 --> 00:32:14,242
I'm going to bring
judgment down on you
682
00:32:14,277 --> 00:32:16,382
and cut your vile
little heart out.
683
00:32:18,005 --> 00:32:20,283
- It was so looked down upon.
684
00:32:20,317 --> 00:32:21,801
I remember in the 90s you'd say,
685
00:32:21,836 --> 00:32:22,975
well that's direct to video,
686
00:32:23,010 --> 00:32:25,115
like it was bad thing.
687
00:32:25,150 --> 00:32:27,014
- Well, it was just one
of those old dark house
688
00:32:27,048 --> 00:32:29,326
kind of movies, with a
bunch of girls running around.
689
00:32:29,361 --> 00:32:30,614
I liked working with Dick Miller
690
00:32:30,638 --> 00:32:32,467
and I liked having
Arte Johnson in there
691
00:32:32,502 --> 00:32:33,997
and David Carradine
was friend of mine.
692
00:32:34,021 --> 00:32:38,335
So, you know, it was
pretty entertaining.
693
00:32:38,370 --> 00:32:39,371
Bob Quarry, you know,
694
00:32:39,405 --> 00:32:40,855
who played Count Yorga, Vampire,
695
00:32:40,889 --> 00:32:42,753
he came in and did
some of the voiceovers
696
00:32:42,788 --> 00:32:45,825
for the creature and
then I did some of them
697
00:32:45,860 --> 00:32:47,206
and it was fun.
698
00:32:47,241 --> 00:32:48,897
I mean it was a
quick, quick movie
699
00:32:48,932 --> 00:32:50,082
but it was one of those films
700
00:32:50,106 --> 00:32:51,970
where you were putting
up your own money
701
00:32:52,004 --> 00:32:53,316
and there was no one to tell you
702
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:54,834
that you couldn't do something.
703
00:32:54,869 --> 00:32:57,596
So just about anything
we wanted to do would fly.
704
00:32:59,011 --> 00:33:02,325
Every step
forward is a step backward.
705
00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:04,775
- I've come to destroy you.
706
00:33:06,812 --> 00:33:07,986
And every room
707
00:33:09,056 --> 00:33:10,540
is a room with a view.
708
00:33:10,574 --> 00:33:12,162
- Doing the animation plates
709
00:33:12,197 --> 00:33:15,579
is something that I had
some experience with already
710
00:33:15,614 --> 00:33:19,721
and we worked with a company
called Streamline in New York
711
00:33:19,756 --> 00:33:22,793
and we did it with an
aerial image of photography
712
00:33:22,828 --> 00:33:24,899
and we were doing a lot
of rotoscoping anyway
713
00:33:24,933 --> 00:33:28,454
with Bret Mixon for movies
like Beverly Hill's Vamp
714
00:33:28,489 --> 00:33:29,559
and stuff like that.
715
00:33:29,593 --> 00:33:30,801
So we knew we had
716
00:33:30,836 --> 00:33:33,770
to have a Mitchell Twin
Pin registered camera
717
00:33:33,804 --> 00:33:36,531
'cause every frame had
to be locked in position
718
00:33:36,566 --> 00:33:39,845
or they'd be gate weave andthat
would throw off everything.
719
00:33:39,879 --> 00:33:41,226
So we did storyboards.
720
00:33:41,260 --> 00:33:42,882
So where we knew we
wanted the monster
721
00:33:42,917 --> 00:33:44,367
to come up and look over a chair
722
00:33:44,401 --> 00:33:46,679
and we would shoot,
you know, the chair
723
00:33:46,714 --> 00:33:48,095
and then, sort of this stuff,
724
00:33:48,129 --> 00:33:49,682
is like where the girl fell down
725
00:33:49,717 --> 00:33:53,652
and then we had to pull
her top off with fishing line.
726
00:33:53,686 --> 00:33:56,103
We pulled the little
wire so it would pop off
727
00:33:56,137 --> 00:33:58,760
and then, and then Bret
would rotoscope it.
728
00:33:58,795 --> 00:34:01,556
He would do a cartoon
animation paper cell,
729
00:34:01,591 --> 00:34:02,833
which drew the girl.
730
00:34:02,868 --> 00:34:05,560
So that then when her
hand would come up,
731
00:34:05,595 --> 00:34:08,149
her hand would pass in
front of the creature
732
00:34:08,184 --> 00:34:11,497
which was actually an
animationcell on top of the footage.
733
00:34:11,532 --> 00:34:14,155
So they would roto out
the shape of her hand
734
00:34:14,190 --> 00:34:15,708
as it passed in front of them.
735
00:34:15,743 --> 00:34:16,916
So it was pretty complicated
736
00:34:16,951 --> 00:34:18,297
and these were
hand painted cells.
737
00:34:18,332 --> 00:34:21,128
You know, there were
thousands and thousands of them
738
00:34:21,162 --> 00:34:23,923
and then would project
the film one frame
739
00:34:23,958 --> 00:34:26,064
at a time onto the
aerial image lens
740
00:34:26,098 --> 00:34:28,307
and hang the animation
cell in front
741
00:34:28,342 --> 00:34:30,068
and then re-photograph it.
742
00:34:30,102 --> 00:34:32,070
So it would then
combine the two things.
743
00:34:32,104 --> 00:34:34,002
It was pretty
complicated for a movie
744
00:34:34,037 --> 00:34:37,420
with $140,000 budget and 35mm,
745
00:34:37,454 --> 00:34:39,732
Screen Actors Guild, and
some of the actors picked
746
00:34:39,767 --> 00:34:41,493
up $20,000 for their parts.
747
00:34:41,527 --> 00:34:43,529
So it was quite a feat
748
00:34:43,564 --> 00:34:45,393
for the amount of
money we spent.
749
00:34:45,428 --> 00:34:49,087
- Fred is a very
efficient filmmaker.
750
00:34:49,121 --> 00:34:52,331
He doesn't give a lot
of personal direction
751
00:34:52,366 --> 00:34:55,886
and unless you would have
like a heart attack on set,
752
00:34:55,921 --> 00:34:59,407
you got one take because
they were shooting on 35mm.
753
00:35:00,615 --> 00:35:03,239
Victoria is
a very frightened woman.
754
00:35:03,273 --> 00:35:06,380
- I'm having dreams.
755
00:35:06,414 --> 00:35:09,348
Dreams that won't let me sleep.
756
00:35:09,383 --> 00:35:10,729
Nightmares.
757
00:35:10,763 --> 00:35:14,698
Most of the time I'm
being buried alive.
758
00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:20,532
- One of my favorite
movies was Haunting Fear
759
00:35:20,566 --> 00:35:24,812
in the probably around
1991, I think it was.
760
00:35:24,846 --> 00:35:27,677
It was the biggest
part I had to date
761
00:35:27,711 --> 00:35:29,230
and when Fred
handed me a script,
762
00:35:29,265 --> 00:35:31,267
I thought it was for the
role of the secretary
763
00:35:31,301 --> 00:35:33,545
but he's like, no I want
you to play the lead.
764
00:35:33,579 --> 00:35:35,374
So I worked with
Jan Michael Vincent,
765
00:35:35,409 --> 00:35:37,687
and Karen Black,
and Robert Quarry.
766
00:35:37,721 --> 00:35:40,655
I was in practically every scene
767
00:35:40,690 --> 00:35:42,692
and it was one of the
first movies where
768
00:35:42,726 --> 00:35:46,144
I go from being a victim
to kind of being a villain
769
00:35:46,178 --> 00:35:49,008
and I didn't die in the end.
770
00:35:49,043 --> 00:35:51,321
That was something
unique and different.
771
00:35:51,356 --> 00:35:53,323
I am very very
fond of that movie.
772
00:35:53,358 --> 00:35:56,015
I wish it would come out on DVD
773
00:35:56,050 --> 00:35:58,121
because it never has.
774
00:35:58,156 --> 00:35:59,536
- Haunting Fear was a movie
775
00:35:59,571 --> 00:36:03,575
that was made in the samehouse
as Evil Toons, same sets.
776
00:36:03,609 --> 00:36:06,267
You see them go into thecellar
where Dick Miller's dead
777
00:36:06,302 --> 00:36:08,994
and you find Dick Miller dead.
778
00:36:09,028 --> 00:36:12,135
That's the same cellar where
the guys body was buried
779
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:16,691
in Spirits and I don't know
why we made that film
780
00:36:16,726 --> 00:36:18,210
but when we did,
we went and watched
781
00:36:18,245 --> 00:36:21,213
Legend of Hell House and
The Haunting and The Evil,
782
00:36:21,248 --> 00:36:22,559
we watched all these things,
783
00:36:22,594 --> 00:36:25,113
and somebody wanted
to make this.
784
00:36:25,148 --> 00:36:29,325
So we did and it
obviously it seemed perfect
785
00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:32,569
for her to be a
psychic in there.
786
00:36:32,604 --> 00:36:34,571
Well, you know,
we've always tired
787
00:36:34,606 --> 00:36:38,506
at Retro Media, to
produce original content
788
00:36:38,541 --> 00:36:41,751
and I've over the years,
I've invested, of course,
789
00:36:41,785 --> 00:36:44,029
and financed other
people's films.
790
00:36:45,893 --> 00:36:48,723
A fairy tale born from a legend.
791
00:36:48,758 --> 00:36:51,174
A truth more terrifying
than the tale.
792
00:36:52,313 --> 00:36:54,142
- Say a prayer for
Daddy tonight, okay?
793
00:36:54,177 --> 00:36:56,352
Only one man had the courage
794
00:36:56,386 --> 00:36:58,733
to stand against the
forces of darkness.
795
00:36:59,976 --> 00:37:04,981
- In 1994 Fred had a
scream queen contest
796
00:37:05,844 --> 00:37:07,052
with the Phil Donahue Show.
797
00:37:07,086 --> 00:37:09,848
He and some celebrity
guests were on board
798
00:37:09,882 --> 00:37:13,817
and they had people
auditioningto be a scream queen
799
00:37:13,852 --> 00:37:17,027
and whoever did the best
audition got the part
800
00:37:17,062 --> 00:37:19,823
and would come down in
February to meet with us
801
00:37:19,858 --> 00:37:22,343
in Orlando to make the film.
802
00:37:23,655 --> 00:37:27,452
So, he had a concept
and a storyline
803
00:37:27,486 --> 00:37:30,420
that he worked out
and he sent that to us
804
00:37:30,455 --> 00:37:32,905
and we started hurriedly
writing the script.
805
00:37:32,940 --> 00:37:37,393
Because this was
now October of 1994
806
00:37:37,427 --> 00:37:39,360
and he wanted it in video stores
807
00:37:39,395 --> 00:37:42,087
in time for Halloween 1995.
808
00:37:42,121 --> 00:37:46,609
In those days, it was still a
four to six month turn around
809
00:37:46,643 --> 00:37:48,231
after you finished the film just
810
00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:50,820
to get all the
promotional stuff ready.
811
00:37:50,854 --> 00:37:53,029
To get the deals set
up and everything else,
812
00:37:53,063 --> 00:37:54,582
get the release scheduled.
813
00:37:54,617 --> 00:37:58,034
So we were literally
on a time clock
814
00:37:58,068 --> 00:38:02,935
and our first weekend
we had the actress
815
00:38:04,385 --> 00:38:08,562
that won the contest came
down and we did her scene,
816
00:38:08,596 --> 00:38:10,840
she gets to get killed in
the opening of the film.
817
00:38:10,874 --> 00:38:14,499
She's with three
teenagers that inadvertently
818
00:38:14,533 --> 00:38:18,296
resurrect Jack-O and they
get killed for their troubles
819
00:38:18,330 --> 00:38:23,059
and we shot all of that
on the first weekend.
820
00:38:23,093 --> 00:38:25,095
There was a crew from
the Donahue show there
821
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:27,857
and they shot background
footage for a documentary
822
00:38:27,891 --> 00:38:32,827
and then when the show
aired a few months later
823
00:38:32,862 --> 00:38:35,899
they had that material
as well as the contest
824
00:38:35,934 --> 00:38:36,831
and so forth.
825
00:38:36,866 --> 00:38:38,592
But that's how Jack-O started.
826
00:38:38,626 --> 00:38:40,387
It was the Phil Donahue show.
827
00:38:40,421 --> 00:38:42,837
We're doing a movie that's
supposed to take place
828
00:38:42,872 --> 00:38:47,290
at Halloween in a sort
of Midwestern suburb
829
00:38:47,325 --> 00:38:49,361
and we're in Florida
and we're shooting
830
00:38:49,396 --> 00:38:50,880
in February, March, and April.
831
00:38:50,914 --> 00:38:53,400
What do you need if you're
doing a Halloween film?
832
00:38:54,435 --> 00:38:55,816
Pumpkins.
833
00:38:55,850 --> 00:38:58,784
Okay, so we're going
around in November,
834
00:38:58,819 --> 00:39:02,201
we're going after Halloween
and after Thanksgiving.
835
00:39:02,236 --> 00:39:03,720
We're bugging
everybody, you know,
836
00:39:03,755 --> 00:39:05,481
can we take your pumpkins?
837
00:39:05,515 --> 00:39:06,930
Everybody's like yeah, take 'em.
838
00:39:06,965 --> 00:39:08,863
And I'm storing
them in my garage,
839
00:39:08,898 --> 00:39:11,418
which is also the
neighborhood we filmed in.
840
00:39:11,452 --> 00:39:15,767
My house was at 1764
WaterbeachCourt Apopka, Florida.
841
00:39:15,801 --> 00:39:17,872
We shot all around my house,
842
00:39:17,907 --> 00:39:19,391
all around the neighborhood.
843
00:39:19,426 --> 00:39:21,945
Infuriated the neighbors
when we shot night scenes
844
00:39:21,980 --> 00:39:23,602
because we're
keeping everybody up
845
00:39:23,637 --> 00:39:27,537
but I'm keeping all of these
pumpkins in my garage
846
00:39:27,572 --> 00:39:31,403
and I was warned that
pumpkins rot from the inside
847
00:39:31,438 --> 00:39:35,407
and if they get to that point
where'll they seem solid
848
00:39:35,442 --> 00:39:37,409
but if you just bump it lightly
849
00:39:37,444 --> 00:39:39,238
the whole things gonna collapse
850
00:39:39,273 --> 00:39:41,862
and the smell is horrific.
851
00:39:41,896 --> 00:39:43,829
So we're taking
all these pumpkins
852
00:39:43,864 --> 00:39:45,279
and we're shellacking them
853
00:39:45,313 --> 00:39:47,902
so that hopefully
they'll keep for two,
854
00:39:47,937 --> 00:39:50,008
three, four months while
we shoot that film.
855
00:39:50,042 --> 00:39:51,975
So that was tough.
856
00:39:53,149 --> 00:39:56,739
The shoot itself
went reasonably well.
857
00:39:58,568 --> 00:40:01,744
It was just, it was just
a logistical nightmare.
858
00:40:01,778 --> 00:40:03,711
We had a sequence,
859
00:40:04,712 --> 00:40:06,921
we did it one entire day
860
00:40:06,956 --> 00:40:08,613
we lost all of the
footage because
861
00:40:08,647 --> 00:40:10,028
an inexperienced camera loader
862
00:40:10,062 --> 00:40:11,823
had loaded the
magazines backwards.
863
00:40:11,857 --> 00:40:13,652
So we had to re shoot that.
864
00:40:13,687 --> 00:40:15,758
We had a bunch of pick
up days that we had to do
865
00:40:15,792 --> 00:40:19,555
because it, when
I turned in my cut
866
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:21,522
it was just missing some
elements that it needed.
867
00:40:21,557 --> 00:40:25,008
So it took a lot more
pickups to get it finished
868
00:40:25,043 --> 00:40:27,425
and get it to where it was.
869
00:40:27,459 --> 00:40:28,840
- In the movie, Jack-O,
870
00:40:28,874 --> 00:40:31,843
I think I only appear on
the television screen.
871
00:40:31,877 --> 00:40:33,845
They're watching a movie.
872
00:40:33,879 --> 00:40:35,191
What they're watching,
873
00:40:35,225 --> 00:40:38,781
Fred and I shot in
Salem, Massachusetts.
874
00:40:38,815 --> 00:40:43,441
I had bought this costume
that looked like it was colonial.
875
00:40:43,475 --> 00:40:45,995
He brought his Bolex
camera on the plane
876
00:40:46,029 --> 00:40:49,101
and we shot in graveyards
and in old buildings
877
00:40:49,136 --> 00:40:50,551
in and around Salem.
878
00:40:50,586 --> 00:40:54,072
Because he was planning to
make a movie called The Coven
879
00:40:54,106 --> 00:40:58,559
and have it be like a
girlschool that is into witchcraft.
880
00:40:58,594 --> 00:41:01,493
Well, I don't think
he ever made the movie
881
00:41:01,528 --> 00:41:03,840
but we shot all this
experimental footage
882
00:41:03,875 --> 00:41:07,879
and so he ended up putting
it on the screen in Jack-O.
883
00:41:07,913 --> 00:41:10,122
- My son's character in
the film is a horror fan
884
00:41:10,157 --> 00:41:14,264
and he's constantly in frontof
the TV watching horror films
885
00:41:15,714 --> 00:41:18,476
and so one of the films
he's watching is The Coven
886
00:41:18,510 --> 00:41:19,925
with Brinke Stevens
887
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,964
and Brinke kindly also
did some dialogue looping
888
00:41:23,998 --> 00:41:26,967
so that it seemed like more of
a movie that he was watching
889
00:41:27,001 --> 00:41:29,003
where a character is talking.
890
00:41:29,038 --> 00:41:31,868
Evil has a new number.
891
00:41:33,491 --> 00:41:35,493
- Welcome to my hell.
892
00:41:35,527 --> 00:41:38,116
And the
devil has found a new way
893
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:40,290
to reach out and kill someone.
894
00:41:43,466 --> 00:41:45,054
976-Evil II.
895
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,334
- I was going out with
Monique Gabrielle at the time
896
00:41:50,438 --> 00:41:52,820
and she said, "You
can't find a spot for me
897
00:41:52,855 --> 00:41:54,891
in 976-Evil II?"
898
00:41:54,926 --> 00:41:56,755
I said, well you
know the producers
899
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:58,067
want this certain type.
900
00:41:58,101 --> 00:42:01,622
She said, "You can't
find a spot for me?"
901
00:42:01,657 --> 00:42:03,244
So I went to the producers
902
00:42:03,279 --> 00:42:07,663
and I said, please let
her play the lawyer
903
00:42:08,767 --> 00:42:10,735
who gets killed in the car
904
00:42:10,769 --> 00:42:12,288
and they said, okay,
905
00:42:12,322 --> 00:42:15,878
and if you watch that movie,
906
00:42:15,912 --> 00:42:18,846
that car is not in front
of a process screen.
907
00:42:18,881 --> 00:42:22,919
It's out there getting
hit by other cars.
908
00:42:22,954 --> 00:42:27,268
So she did her little
dialogue scene with the villain
909
00:42:27,303 --> 00:42:29,132
and then the next few nights
910
00:42:29,167 --> 00:42:32,550
she was out doing this car scene
911
00:42:32,584 --> 00:42:35,207
and this car scene
was, as you know,
912
00:42:35,242 --> 00:42:40,247
it was full of bangs and
booms and zips and zangs
913
00:42:40,972 --> 00:42:42,145
and everything else.
914
00:42:42,180 --> 00:42:44,078
She came home the first
night and she said,
915
00:42:44,113 --> 00:42:47,012
"I hate you, I hate you,
I hate you, I hate you."
916
00:42:47,047 --> 00:42:49,705
Her whole body was not contorted
917
00:42:49,739 --> 00:42:52,121
but it was like,
and not bruised,
918
00:42:52,155 --> 00:42:56,643
but had been banged
around in these cars all night
919
00:42:56,677 --> 00:42:59,128
'cause they were hitting
the cars back and forth
920
00:42:59,162 --> 00:43:00,543
back and forth.
921
00:43:00,578 --> 00:43:01,993
Now, that sequence
was so popular
922
00:43:02,027 --> 00:43:04,374
that I used it again
in Ghoulie's Four.
923
00:43:10,518 --> 00:43:14,695
- I'll go back in time to
the actual physical things
924
00:43:14,730 --> 00:43:18,009
that used to happen
when I got a score.
925
00:43:18,043 --> 00:43:19,217
I'd get a phone call.
926
00:43:19,251 --> 00:43:21,253
I have another score
for you, Chuck.
927
00:43:21,288 --> 00:43:23,704
Okay, when's the
work print ready?
928
00:43:23,739 --> 00:43:25,430
It will be ready Tuesday.
929
00:43:25,464 --> 00:43:27,777
Okay, fine.
930
00:43:27,812 --> 00:43:30,435
It would come over
as a VHS tape,
931
00:43:30,469 --> 00:43:32,506
or a three quarter inch tape,
932
00:43:32,540 --> 00:43:33,921
and I would take a look at it
933
00:43:33,956 --> 00:43:35,889
and then the director
would come over,
934
00:43:35,923 --> 00:43:37,753
we would sit down
and look at it,
935
00:43:37,787 --> 00:43:39,306
I would take notes.
936
00:43:39,340 --> 00:43:41,964
The notes, down through
as I've done a lot of scores,
937
00:43:41,998 --> 00:43:44,345
the notes got lesser and
lesser through scores.
938
00:43:44,380 --> 00:43:46,624
It was like, we don't even
use a notepad anymore,
939
00:43:46,658 --> 00:43:47,797
at least Jim and I don't.
940
00:43:47,832 --> 00:43:50,041
Jim and I don't even
spot the movie anymore.
941
00:43:50,075 --> 00:43:53,113
He just hands it to me or
he finishes it and I start it.
942
00:43:53,147 --> 00:43:56,461
I've done almost all
my films in order.
943
00:43:56,495 --> 00:43:58,636
You start at the beginning,
you do a main title,
944
00:43:58,670 --> 00:44:03,641
you use your themes from
the main title throughout the film
945
00:44:03,675 --> 00:44:06,126
and then you end the
movie with either a song
946
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,679
that someone else supplies
947
00:44:07,714 --> 00:44:12,063
or you do a version of the
opening title for the end.
948
00:44:12,097 --> 00:44:14,790
Now, sometimes Jim
asked me not to do that.
949
00:44:14,824 --> 00:44:16,895
Like with, it was
a Tower of Terror
950
00:44:16,930 --> 00:44:18,932
or Sorority House Massacre.
951
00:44:18,966 --> 00:44:21,037
One of them he said, "Do
a spaghetti western."
952
00:44:21,072 --> 00:44:23,281
Of course that's, whenever
Jim gets bored with a score,
953
00:44:23,315 --> 00:44:25,179
he says, "Do a
spaghetti western."
954
00:44:25,214 --> 00:44:27,457
And I would always do
a spaghetti western
955
00:44:27,492 --> 00:44:29,183
because I love them, too.
956
00:44:29,218 --> 00:44:31,530
So I would always love
it when Jim would say,
957
00:44:31,565 --> 00:44:33,256
"Make this a spaghetti western."
958
00:44:33,291 --> 00:44:34,982
So that was the
process back then.
959
00:44:35,017 --> 00:44:38,814
Come in, cassette,
look at the cassette.
960
00:44:38,848 --> 00:44:43,128
The cassette gets synchronized
via time code with the box
961
00:44:43,163 --> 00:44:48,168
and each time you
started the movie
962
00:44:49,031 --> 00:44:50,722
to write a piece of music,
963
00:44:50,757 --> 00:44:52,724
you had like a five
second pre roll
964
00:44:52,759 --> 00:44:55,693
'cause you had to wait
for it all to sync up
965
00:44:55,727 --> 00:44:57,177
and then once it's all sync up,
966
00:44:57,211 --> 00:44:58,834
you can play it against picture
967
00:44:58,868 --> 00:45:00,732
and you had a few
seconds to do that
968
00:45:00,767 --> 00:45:02,917
and then you go back and you'd
start that whole process again.
969
00:45:02,941 --> 00:45:04,840
I like working on set.
970
00:45:04,874 --> 00:45:06,911
I like making the
pictures happen.
971
00:45:06,945 --> 00:45:08,775
I love the process
of making movies
972
00:45:08,809 --> 00:45:10,329
but there's nothing
better than sitting
973
00:45:10,362 --> 00:45:13,158
three in the morning in your
underwear smoking a joint
974
00:45:13,193 --> 00:45:14,401
scoring a film.
975
00:45:14,435 --> 00:45:17,507
- Ghoulies IV was
an interesting film
976
00:45:17,542 --> 00:45:22,547
because I had just thought
about the Ghoulies franchise
977
00:45:23,686 --> 00:45:26,171
and suddenly Paul
Hertzberg, at Cinetel,
978
00:45:26,206 --> 00:45:28,173
said, you now, "They
want another Ghoulies.
979
00:45:28,208 --> 00:45:29,105
Would you like to do it?"
980
00:45:29,140 --> 00:45:30,451
I said, yes but I don't want
981
00:45:30,486 --> 00:45:33,316
to do it with those
little models.
982
00:45:33,351 --> 00:45:38,356
I want to do it with two
little people in costume
983
00:45:39,426 --> 00:45:42,947
and but I do want Peter Liapis
984
00:45:44,017 --> 00:45:46,536
who was in the first one
985
00:45:46,571 --> 00:45:49,608
so that my mine is a
direct sequel to number one.
986
00:45:49,643 --> 00:45:51,472
'Cause I liked number one
987
00:45:51,507 --> 00:45:55,856
and if I had Peter, I could
do a sequel, a true sequel
988
00:45:55,891 --> 00:46:00,896
and so we got Peter
and Stacie Randall
989
00:46:01,793 --> 00:46:03,381
who played the villainess.
990
00:46:03,415 --> 00:46:05,486
It was a lot of fun to make.
991
00:46:05,521 --> 00:46:07,834
They let me do odd stuff.
992
00:46:07,868 --> 00:46:10,284
A lot of stuff
that normal people,
993
00:46:10,319 --> 00:46:13,080
producers wouldn't
let anybody do
994
00:46:13,115 --> 00:46:15,058
but they said ago ahead
and do it, it's a comedy.
995
00:46:15,082 --> 00:46:17,188
So I did it and it
was a lot of fun.
996
00:46:17,222 --> 00:46:19,052
In the time of the witches
997
00:46:19,086 --> 00:46:20,708
in a place of evil.
998
00:46:20,743 --> 00:46:22,434
Morella Lock was put to death.
999
00:46:22,469 --> 00:46:24,298
Now, she's come back.
1000
00:46:24,333 --> 00:46:25,852
- Call me mad if you will
1001
00:46:25,886 --> 00:46:30,339
but my wife has returned
to take possession
1002
00:46:30,373 --> 00:46:32,065
of my daughter.
1003
00:46:33,998 --> 00:46:35,344
Morella.
1004
00:46:35,378 --> 00:46:36,562
Edgar Allen Poe's
1005
00:46:36,586 --> 00:46:38,830
The Haunting of Morella.
1006
00:46:38,865 --> 00:46:41,799
- When I was in
Haunting of Morella
1007
00:46:42,938 --> 00:46:45,733
you know, I had
just done Playboy.
1008
00:46:45,768 --> 00:46:50,083
So I had come from
New York on Broadway,
1009
00:46:50,117 --> 00:46:51,809
I was like a little actress.
1010
00:46:51,843 --> 00:46:53,949
I'm not gonna take my top off.
1011
00:46:53,983 --> 00:46:56,434
I'm not, you know, I'm
not gonna show my boobs.
1012
00:46:56,468 --> 00:46:58,850
You know for anything,
I'm a real actress.
1013
00:46:58,885 --> 00:47:00,403
I don't want my,
1014
00:47:00,438 --> 00:47:02,371
and I bumped into,
1015
00:47:02,405 --> 00:47:04,683
well Jim actually
and I had socially,
1016
00:47:05,995 --> 00:47:07,963
you know knew each other
1017
00:47:09,378 --> 00:47:10,931
and he said, "Well Debbie,
1018
00:47:10,966 --> 00:47:13,106
you know I'd love to
use you in my films."
1019
00:47:13,140 --> 00:47:15,729
He said, "But let me
know when you're ready
1020
00:47:15,763 --> 00:47:17,179
to pop your top."
1021
00:47:18,111 --> 00:47:19,906
I said, pop my top?
1022
00:47:21,390 --> 00:47:25,877
Okay, Jim I don't want
to get involved with all that
1023
00:47:25,912 --> 00:47:27,983
and so then I got into Playboy
1024
00:47:28,017 --> 00:47:29,432
and so I called up, Jim.
1025
00:47:29,467 --> 00:47:31,849
I said, Jim, I'm
ready to pop my top.
1026
00:47:31,883 --> 00:47:36,854
- Oh I loved working
on Evil Spirits.
1027
00:47:37,993 --> 00:47:40,961
It was amazing working
with Karen Black.
1028
00:47:40,996 --> 00:47:44,723
She is a very very
special person.
1029
00:47:44,758 --> 00:47:46,933
I saw is even though
she's gone now
1030
00:47:46,967 --> 00:47:49,142
because she still is just,
1031
00:47:49,176 --> 00:47:54,181
her energy, she, there's
something very spiritual about her
1032
00:47:55,355 --> 00:47:58,910
and I don't know
what her thing is.
1033
00:47:58,945 --> 00:48:02,776
Like if she was really
into very spiritual or not
1034
00:48:02,810 --> 00:48:06,987
but she had this
beautiful aura about her
1035
00:48:07,022 --> 00:48:11,198
and she was so gracious
and she was so kind to me
1036
00:48:11,233 --> 00:48:15,996
and it's a spoiler alert
1037
00:48:16,031 --> 00:48:18,516
but I do play her daughter.
1038
00:48:18,550 --> 00:48:22,313
So she was very loving
and motherly on that set
1039
00:48:22,347 --> 00:48:27,352
and I play a mute who ends
up doing some bad things.
1040
00:48:28,388 --> 00:48:30,045
Scientists have theorized
1041
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:34,256
that it is possible to camouflage
atoms within themselves
1042
00:48:34,290 --> 00:48:36,396
to achieve invisibility.
1043
00:48:36,430 --> 00:48:39,847
- Feast your eyes on a miracle.
1044
00:48:39,882 --> 00:48:44,059
These theories
have now become realities.
1045
00:48:45,198 --> 00:48:46,889
- Yeah, yeah!
1046
00:48:46,924 --> 00:48:50,582
Everybody thinks
Keven Dornwinkle is strange.
1047
00:48:51,445 --> 00:48:52,653
His mother thought so.
1048
00:48:52,688 --> 00:48:54,621
- You're grounded for a year.
1049
00:48:54,655 --> 00:48:55,622
So do his students.
1050
00:48:55,656 --> 00:48:57,141
- Is this guy for real?
1051
00:48:57,175 --> 00:49:00,316
- I'd be willing to
do anything for an A.
1052
00:49:00,351 --> 00:49:02,974
- Even his colleagues
think he's wacky.
1053
00:49:03,009 --> 00:49:05,045
- And they laughed at me, at me!
1054
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,013
But ask Kevin Dornwinkle
1055
00:49:07,047 --> 00:49:08,911
what he thinks is weird.
1056
00:49:08,946 --> 00:49:13,951
- With this injection
begins my erection.
1057
00:49:30,691 --> 00:49:32,038
Tis I.
1058
00:49:32,072 --> 00:49:34,488
Your friendly neighborhood
invisible maniac.
1059
00:49:41,495 --> 00:49:42,679
The Invisible Maniac.
1060
00:49:42,703 --> 00:49:44,498
- One of my all-time
favorite films,
1061
00:49:44,533 --> 00:49:48,502
from back in the 80s, 90s era
1062
00:49:48,537 --> 00:49:50,780
was The Invisible Maniac.
1063
00:49:50,815 --> 00:49:55,406
Okay, directed by Riff
Coogan AKA Adam Rifkin
1064
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:56,924
or vice a versa.
1065
00:49:58,340 --> 00:50:00,480
Now he is known as Adam Rifkin.
1066
00:50:00,514 --> 00:50:05,519
So I remember I was
waiting to go into my audition
1067
00:50:06,451 --> 00:50:10,524
at this nice office building
1068
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:15,322
and I was again,
playing a teenager
1069
00:50:15,357 --> 00:50:19,671
even though I think I
was maybe like almost 30,
1070
00:50:19,706 --> 00:50:21,604
if not 30 already.
1071
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:25,815
So I just for some
reason, and it had nothing
1072
00:50:25,850 --> 00:50:28,611
to do with anything, I
was sitting there reading
1073
00:50:28,646 --> 00:50:31,097
my sides to audition
1074
00:50:31,131 --> 00:50:35,032
and I just decided,
eh, I'll put my glasses
1075
00:50:35,066 --> 00:50:36,274
on for this one.
1076
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:37,769
You know, just to do
something different.
1077
00:50:37,793 --> 00:50:41,555
So because I was reading for,
1078
00:50:41,590 --> 00:50:43,178
at least I'm not sure,
1079
00:50:43,212 --> 00:50:45,007
I'm not sure if I
was actually reading
1080
00:50:45,042 --> 00:50:47,941
for the character that
I was cast as, as Betty,
1081
00:50:47,975 --> 00:50:49,874
or if I was reading
for another part
1082
00:50:49,908 --> 00:50:51,082
I can't remember that.
1083
00:50:51,117 --> 00:50:53,257
So I had my glasses on,
1084
00:50:53,291 --> 00:50:55,224
I did the audition
with my glasses on
1085
00:50:55,259 --> 00:51:00,057
and then I really wasn't
expecting to get cast.
1086
00:51:00,091 --> 00:51:03,612
So just because I thought,
1087
00:51:03,646 --> 00:51:06,615
oh you know, there's a
million people auditioning
1088
00:51:06,649 --> 00:51:08,099
for this thing.
1089
00:51:08,134 --> 00:51:11,068
But lo and behold, they
called me up and said,
1090
00:51:11,102 --> 00:51:13,932
we would like you for
the role of Betty, the nerd.
1091
00:51:13,967 --> 00:51:17,764
And I was like, yay
the glasses was a good,
1092
00:51:17,798 --> 00:51:19,662
you know, a good choice.
1093
00:51:19,697 --> 00:51:21,423
So that was really fun.
1094
00:51:21,457 --> 00:51:22,457
I enjoyed that one.
1095
00:51:23,528 --> 00:51:24,771
- Riff Coogan.
1096
00:51:24,805 --> 00:51:26,162
First of all, that's
a phony name, okay.
1097
00:51:26,186 --> 00:51:27,843
His real name is Adam Rifkin
1098
00:51:27,877 --> 00:51:31,329
and when I met him,
I mean were both sort
1099
00:51:31,364 --> 00:51:33,573
of territorial about the movie.
1100
00:51:33,607 --> 00:51:35,161
You know, I felt
like it was mine
1101
00:51:35,195 --> 00:51:36,679
because I was making a sequel
1102
00:51:36,714 --> 00:51:39,303
and of course he was
going to put his imprint on it
1103
00:51:39,337 --> 00:51:42,444
and we really worked
well together.
1104
00:51:42,478 --> 00:51:46,068
I mean we were really,
you're so busy doing the thing
1105
00:51:46,103 --> 00:51:47,977
that you don't really have
time for a lot of discussion.
1106
00:51:48,001 --> 00:51:49,175
You know.
1107
00:51:49,209 --> 00:51:51,142
He would say, "I'm
gonna do this."
1108
00:51:51,177 --> 00:51:52,568
I'd be like, fine
that looks good to me.
1109
00:51:52,592 --> 00:51:54,180
You know, so we weren't,
1110
00:51:55,319 --> 00:51:57,148
there was never any
conflict at all.
1111
00:51:57,183 --> 00:51:59,323
Larry and
Bryan thought they planned
1112
00:51:59,357 --> 00:52:00,910
the perfect bachelor party.
1113
00:52:00,945 --> 00:52:03,189
They took care of the booze.
1114
00:52:03,223 --> 00:52:05,467
They took care of the boss.
1115
00:52:05,501 --> 00:52:06,709
- Yes.
1116
00:52:06,744 --> 00:52:08,101
They took care of the girls.
1117
00:52:08,125 --> 00:52:09,505
- Women, women.
1118
00:52:09,540 --> 00:52:11,197
Women, women.
1119
00:52:11,231 --> 00:52:13,682
Women, women, women, women!
1120
00:52:13,716 --> 00:52:15,925
They took
care of the entertainment.
1121
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,410
- We're here to party.
1122
00:52:17,444 --> 00:52:19,422
They even took
care of the nightwatchmen.
1123
00:52:19,446 --> 00:52:22,622
The only thing they
didn't take care of was him.
1124
00:52:22,656 --> 00:52:26,557
- You boys wouldn't be
planning anything illegal?
1125
00:52:26,591 --> 00:52:29,249
Now they've
got an uninvited guest.
1126
00:52:29,284 --> 00:52:30,802
They're just having some fun.
1127
00:52:30,837 --> 00:52:32,114
- Fun, fun?
1128
00:52:32,149 --> 00:52:34,599
Until someone loses an eye.
1129
00:52:34,634 --> 00:52:37,740
- Very wildly creative,
wildly creative
1130
00:52:37,775 --> 00:52:39,570
and it shows as you
watch the film now,
1131
00:52:39,604 --> 00:52:41,503
you see how he's
Dutching his angles,
1132
00:52:41,537 --> 00:52:42,745
and he's moving the camera
1133
00:52:42,780 --> 00:52:46,232
and there's a lot of
inventive camera work
1134
00:52:46,266 --> 00:52:50,374
by Adam Kane who is a
great cinematographer,
1135
00:52:50,408 --> 00:52:51,858
was the shooter on that.
1136
00:52:51,892 --> 00:52:55,620
So our thing was always I
would come up to him and say,
1137
00:52:55,655 --> 00:52:56,828
is it spooky?
1138
00:52:56,863 --> 00:52:59,141
And he would go,
"It's very spooky."
1139
00:52:59,176 --> 00:53:01,247
And so then we would
shoot the scene.
1140
00:53:01,281 --> 00:53:03,421
Psycho Cop II.
1141
00:53:03,456 --> 00:53:07,943
- You know, I'm beginning
to suspect foreplay.
1142
00:53:07,977 --> 00:53:09,600
- It's not what it looks like.
1143
00:53:09,634 --> 00:53:11,326
- You're drunk and disorderly.
1144
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:12,879
- Well hello there, officer.
1145
00:53:15,744 --> 00:53:16,848
- You're under arrest.
1146
00:53:18,954 --> 00:53:21,439
You have the right
to remain dead.
1147
00:53:22,578 --> 00:53:23,831
- There's something
really wrong.
1148
00:53:23,855 --> 00:53:26,410
- Anything you say can
and will be considered
1149
00:53:26,444 --> 00:53:29,413
extremely strange
because you're dead.
1150
00:53:32,001 --> 00:53:33,658
You have the right
to an attorney.
1151
00:53:35,177 --> 00:53:36,592
- Why aren't they dressed?
1152
00:53:36,627 --> 00:53:38,121
- They're dressed, they're
just dressed scantily.
1153
00:53:38,145 --> 00:53:41,459
- So maybe I should just
let you go with a warning.
1154
00:53:43,461 --> 00:53:45,636
- Let's get the
hell out of here.
1155
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:47,776
- Everything okay up here?
1156
00:53:49,260 --> 00:53:52,436
Suspect is blonde and
considered extremely stupid.
1157
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:53,954
You understand these rights?
1158
00:53:55,577 --> 00:53:56,888
Miles David Dougal
1159
00:53:56,923 --> 00:53:58,614
as the hapless yuppie nerd.
1160
00:54:01,272 --> 00:54:04,102
Roderick Darin as the
life of the party.
1161
00:54:04,137 --> 00:54:07,416
1993 Penthouse Pet of
the year, Julie Strain,
1162
00:54:07,451 --> 00:54:10,557
as the bombshell in
bikini leather chaps.
1163
00:54:10,592 --> 00:54:14,216
Barbara Alexander as ace
accountant Sharon Wells,
1164
00:54:14,251 --> 00:54:18,289
and Bobby Ray Shafer as
mister law enforcement himself.
1165
00:54:18,324 --> 00:54:20,222
- Police officer Joe Vickers.
1166
00:54:20,257 --> 00:54:24,916
- Adam recruited all
of these local alcohol,
1167
00:54:24,951 --> 00:54:29,680
you know drunks, I mean
street people to be in the movie
1168
00:54:29,714 --> 00:54:33,891
and so we were filming
the clubbing scene
1169
00:54:33,925 --> 00:54:35,720
and there was one guy.
1170
00:54:35,755 --> 00:54:37,204
I could smell him.
1171
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,174
You know he smelled like
alcohol and vomit and thrash
1172
00:54:41,208 --> 00:54:43,763
and he's not
pulling the punches.
1173
00:54:43,797 --> 00:54:47,732
He's just wailing away with
his plastic whiffle ball bat.
1174
00:54:47,767 --> 00:54:49,389
I mean, really really
hitting me hard.
1175
00:54:49,424 --> 00:54:50,504
You know, finally
I grabbed the bat,
1176
00:54:50,528 --> 00:54:52,289
I'm like, Adam, who is this?
1177
00:54:52,323 --> 00:54:55,844
And he goes, "He
looks great, Bobby."
1178
00:54:55,878 --> 00:54:58,536
So I was like, get him
the hell out of here.
1179
00:54:58,571 --> 00:55:00,400
He doesn't know what he's doing.
1180
00:55:00,435 --> 00:55:01,677
He's hitting me.
1181
00:55:01,712 --> 00:55:04,162
So we had to film it again.
1182
00:55:04,197 --> 00:55:06,751
I don't know why that
footage didn't work
1183
00:55:08,201 --> 00:55:10,006
but then later we shot
it outside of a strip club
1184
00:55:10,030 --> 00:55:13,413
in the valley and you know
it's a pretty famous scene
1185
00:55:13,448 --> 00:55:15,242
because of the
Rodney King parallel.
1186
00:55:15,277 --> 00:55:17,244
That was what
happening right then
1187
00:55:17,279 --> 00:55:22,008
and really Adam Rifkin
does his cameo there
1188
00:55:22,042 --> 00:55:24,700
where he shows up as the
neighbor with the video camera
1189
00:55:24,735 --> 00:55:26,806
and realizes, it's
gold, it's gold,
1190
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,395
and starts filming
the beat down, right.
1191
00:55:29,429 --> 00:55:33,157
So I think that scene
was really constructed
1192
00:55:33,191 --> 00:55:36,471
and re shot again so Adam
could get his cameo in there.
1193
00:55:36,505 --> 00:55:38,335
But I can't be sure about that.
1194
00:55:38,369 --> 00:55:42,097
- So back at that time my
shop was in North Hollywood
1195
00:55:42,131 --> 00:55:45,411
on Lankershim Boulevard
and that area was kind of right
1196
00:55:45,445 --> 00:55:49,380
in the center of the
makeup effects area.
1197
00:55:50,588 --> 00:55:51,762
Right across the street,
1198
00:55:51,796 --> 00:55:53,076
like literally
across the street,
1199
00:55:53,108 --> 00:55:54,696
was Don Post Studios.
1200
00:55:56,111 --> 00:56:00,529
Maybe a mile down the
road was Makeup Effects Lab
1201
00:56:01,358 --> 00:56:02,738
and John Buechler.
1202
00:56:04,844 --> 00:56:06,328
Who else was around there?
1203
00:56:08,986 --> 00:56:11,091
Rick Baker's shop
wasn't too far away.
1204
00:56:11,126 --> 00:56:14,232
There was a lot of stuff
going on right in that area
1205
00:56:14,267 --> 00:56:16,856
and right next
door to me was the,
1206
00:56:18,029 --> 00:56:20,411
a studio that they used,
a stage that they used
1207
00:56:20,446 --> 00:56:22,413
to film IMAX stuff on.
1208
00:56:22,448 --> 00:56:24,346
So I met a lot of guys.
1209
00:56:24,381 --> 00:56:25,830
It was mostly
cameramen and stuff.
1210
00:56:25,865 --> 00:56:30,041
They used it for setting uptheir
cameras and testing things
1211
00:56:30,076 --> 00:56:34,218
and I met a cameraman
who was getting ready
1212
00:56:34,252 --> 00:56:35,426
to do this movie.
1213
00:56:35,461 --> 00:56:38,049
He was going to kinda
produce the effects.
1214
00:56:39,465 --> 00:56:42,122
All the effects for this
movie called Dolly Dearest
1215
00:56:42,157 --> 00:56:43,824
and we were working on
some different puppets
1216
00:56:43,848 --> 00:56:46,403
for a TV show called
Monsters and a few other things
1217
00:56:46,437 --> 00:56:48,612
and he'd come over and
take a look at we were doing
1218
00:56:48,646 --> 00:56:52,547
and he asked me if I'd
be interested in doing that.
1219
00:56:52,581 --> 00:56:53,927
Which of course, I was.
1220
00:56:53,962 --> 00:56:56,516
That was, Chuckie was
a real big thing then.
1221
00:56:56,551 --> 00:56:58,829
I think maybe one
or two had come out
1222
00:56:58,863 --> 00:57:02,039
and so this was gonna be
kinda like Chuckie's girlfriend.
1223
00:57:02,073 --> 00:57:04,731
Lower budget version but
still sounded like it
1224
00:57:04,766 --> 00:57:05,870
was gonna be a lot of fun.
1225
00:57:05,905 --> 00:57:07,779
- This is the doll your
daddy's gonna make in Mexico
1226
00:57:07,803 --> 00:57:10,427
and this is factory
we're gonna make her
1227
00:57:10,461 --> 00:57:11,842
and sew her little dresses.
1228
00:57:11,876 --> 00:57:13,050
Isn't she beautiful?
1229
00:57:13,084 --> 00:57:14,707
May I have one, Daddy?
1230
00:57:14,741 --> 00:57:16,640
From the moment they met.
1231
00:57:16,674 --> 00:57:18,331
- I'm gonna love her so much.
1232
00:57:18,365 --> 00:57:21,127
It was a fairy tale come true.
1233
00:57:21,161 --> 00:57:22,887
- Good night, Dolly.
1234
00:57:22,922 --> 00:57:24,820
Sweet dreams, Dolly.
1235
00:57:24,855 --> 00:57:27,478
But this is
where the fairy tale ends
1236
00:57:28,790 --> 00:57:30,067
and the nightmare begins.
1237
00:57:32,414 --> 00:57:33,414
- Dolly?
1238
00:57:35,003 --> 00:57:37,557
- There were makeup
effects, creature effects,
1239
00:57:37,592 --> 00:57:39,811
puppet effects, we had a
whole bunch of different things,
1240
00:57:39,835 --> 00:57:41,630
working in that movie.
1241
00:57:44,530 --> 00:57:45,565
We actually shot,
1242
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,705
and I kinda
unofficially got to be
1243
00:57:47,740 --> 00:57:50,190
do some second unit directing
1244
00:57:50,225 --> 00:57:52,641
because of the puppets
and how we had to shoot it
1245
00:57:52,676 --> 00:57:54,505
and one thing that
was really fun
1246
00:57:54,540 --> 00:57:56,265
is they called me up,
1247
00:57:56,300 --> 00:57:58,854
we were already in the
process of building the dolls.
1248
00:57:58,889 --> 00:58:00,097
We built several dolls.
1249
00:58:00,131 --> 00:58:02,720
We had a full one
hero puppet doll
1250
00:58:02,755 --> 00:58:06,966
that had a rig that so
puppeteers could ride with her
1251
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,519
so she could walk.
1252
00:58:08,554 --> 00:58:10,556
She had a radio controlled head.
1253
00:58:11,695 --> 00:58:13,524
Articulated arms,
legs, the whole deal,
1254
00:58:13,559 --> 00:58:15,871
and that was our
main hero puppet.
1255
00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:20,220
Then we had several, you
know we had a multitude
1256
00:58:20,255 --> 00:58:21,670
of other puppets
1257
00:58:21,705 --> 00:58:24,224
because she starts at as a
really like pretty, nice doll,
1258
00:58:24,259 --> 00:58:26,503
that any little girl
would like to have
1259
00:58:26,537 --> 00:58:28,953
and then morphs into
this evil creature.
1260
00:58:28,988 --> 00:58:31,300
So, we had pretty doll,
1261
00:58:31,335 --> 00:58:33,130
we had like the
normal looking dolls
1262
00:58:33,164 --> 00:58:35,339
that eyes could turn
and heads could turn
1263
00:58:35,373 --> 00:58:36,547
and do little things
1264
00:58:36,582 --> 00:58:39,895
and insert hands
for grabbing things
1265
00:58:39,930 --> 00:58:42,208
and you know a whole
1266
00:58:42,242 --> 00:58:43,520
bunch of stuff like that.
1267
00:58:46,212 --> 00:58:48,455
So and a lot of
that stuff we did
1268
00:58:48,490 --> 00:58:50,009
we shot in second unit.
1269
00:58:50,043 --> 00:58:51,286
So I got a call saying,
1270
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:52,435
hey you know we got our stage
1271
00:58:52,459 --> 00:58:53,944
where we're gonna be filming
1272
00:58:53,978 --> 00:58:57,085
and I said, okay where is it?
1273
00:58:57,119 --> 00:58:58,051
And they gave me the address
1274
00:58:58,086 --> 00:58:59,328
and it was on Lankershim,
1275
00:58:59,363 --> 00:59:01,158
and I went, oh that
numbers really close
1276
00:59:01,192 --> 00:59:03,332
and I looked, literally
looked out the window
1277
00:59:03,367 --> 00:59:06,197
and they were across
the street from us.
1278
00:59:06,232 --> 00:59:07,450
So it couldn't have
been any better.
1279
00:59:07,474 --> 00:59:09,753
That was just kind of
random happenstance.
1280
00:59:09,787 --> 00:59:13,653
So we just, we could
literally walk across the street
1281
00:59:13,688 --> 00:59:16,069
and take stuff back
and forth from the shop
1282
00:59:16,104 --> 00:59:17,968
and it was really convenient
1283
00:59:19,107 --> 00:59:23,111
and we shot a lot of
the insert stuff there.
1284
00:59:23,145 --> 00:59:24,906
We shot a lot of
stuff in the location.
1285
00:59:24,940 --> 00:59:27,909
There was a house in
Covina, I believe it was,
1286
00:59:27,943 --> 00:59:28,943
that we shot at
1287
00:59:31,464 --> 00:59:35,192
but a lot of the stuff
where it was gonna
1288
00:59:35,226 --> 00:59:39,368
be more intricate and
we had some sets built
1289
00:59:39,403 --> 00:59:40,956
in this soundstage
across the street.
1290
00:59:40,991 --> 00:59:45,512
It was really a warehouse,
converted into a soundstage
1291
00:59:45,547 --> 00:59:47,929
and we shot quite a lot of stuff
1292
00:59:47,963 --> 00:59:50,759
and then at the end of the movie
1293
00:59:50,794 --> 00:59:52,692
I mean after we wrapped,
1294
00:59:52,727 --> 00:59:54,901
while we were getting into post,
1295
00:59:54,936 --> 00:59:59,285
the guys that hired me,
who were the producers
1296
00:59:59,319 --> 01:00:03,082
of the effects,
got into, I guess
1297
01:00:04,255 --> 01:00:08,743
a bit of an issue
about additional funds
1298
01:00:08,777 --> 01:00:10,814
and they thought
they did more work
1299
01:00:10,848 --> 01:00:12,056
than they got paid for
1300
01:00:12,091 --> 01:00:14,680
and it kinda got all
into a legal thing
1301
01:00:14,714 --> 01:00:17,165
and a lot of the
stuff that we filmed
1302
01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:19,029
ultimately didn't
make it into the movie
1303
01:00:19,063 --> 01:00:21,272
because it was tied up
into this legal thing
1304
01:00:22,998 --> 01:00:24,759
and which never got,
I don't know whatever
1305
01:00:24,793 --> 01:00:26,184
happened with it, to
be honest with you
1306
01:00:26,208 --> 01:00:29,626
but it certainly,
it wasn't resolved
1307
01:00:29,660 --> 01:00:31,558
before they had
released the movie.
1308
01:00:31,593 --> 01:00:33,112
So there was quite
a bit of stuff
1309
01:00:33,146 --> 01:00:35,942
that never even made
it into the film,
1310
01:00:35,977 --> 01:00:37,875
which was pretty sad for us.
1311
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:39,428
We did all that work
1312
01:00:39,463 --> 01:00:41,603
but it was a lot of fun.
1313
01:00:41,638 --> 01:00:44,537
Denise Crosby was in the film.
1314
01:00:44,571 --> 01:00:49,576
Sam Bottoms who was her husband
1315
01:00:50,612 --> 01:00:52,821
and Rip Torn who was this,
1316
01:00:52,856 --> 01:00:55,859
kinda, he was an archeologist.
1317
01:00:55,893 --> 01:00:59,725
He was the guy that
released the demon soul
1318
01:00:59,759 --> 01:01:01,209
that inhabited the doll.
1319
01:01:20,538 --> 01:01:21,538
- No, no!
1320
01:01:24,508 --> 01:01:26,165
- It's time to play.
1321
01:01:29,375 --> 01:01:31,480
- Play with this, bitch.
1322
01:01:34,449 --> 01:01:36,727
Dolly Dearest.
1323
01:01:36,762 --> 01:01:38,695
- Yeah, you know it's
been like 30 years
1324
01:01:39,765 --> 01:01:42,457
since I did Dolly Dearest
1325
01:01:42,491 --> 01:01:45,046
and I just constantly feel like,
1326
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:46,357
you know, that she's around.
1327
01:01:46,392 --> 01:01:48,394
She's lurking
around all the time.
1328
01:01:48,428 --> 01:01:51,915
It's weird, weird feeling.
1329
01:01:51,949 --> 01:01:53,571
Huh?
1330
01:01:53,606 --> 01:01:55,263
She's behind me now, isn't she?
1331
01:01:55,297 --> 01:01:56,713
I bet you she's...
1332
01:01:58,991 --> 01:01:59,923
Here we go.
1333
01:01:59,957 --> 01:02:01,269
In this small town.
1334
01:02:01,303 --> 01:02:02,546
Check this guy out.
1335
01:02:02,580 --> 01:02:04,065
On this quiet street.
1336
01:02:04,099 --> 01:02:06,308
- Now, we can talk
to him one on one.
1337
01:02:06,343 --> 01:02:07,896
An unspeakable evil
1338
01:02:07,931 --> 01:02:09,346
is stalking the net.
1339
01:02:09,380 --> 01:02:11,210
- What kind of name
is Captain Howdy?
1340
01:02:11,244 --> 01:02:16,180
- Strangeland was a cool
and fun project to work on.
1341
01:02:17,664 --> 01:02:21,358
I had been, I actually was
in a Twisted Sister video
1342
01:02:22,773 --> 01:02:25,396
several years earlier called
Be Cruel to your School.
1343
01:02:25,431 --> 01:02:26,984
So when I got called in,
1344
01:02:27,019 --> 01:02:29,607
I don't think I knew it
was a Dee Snider film.
1345
01:02:30,885 --> 01:02:32,541
I don't remember knowing that
1346
01:02:32,576 --> 01:02:34,198
but coming in and seeing Dee
1347
01:02:34,233 --> 01:02:37,201
and I think he remembered
me from Be Cruel to your School
1348
01:02:37,236 --> 01:02:41,965
and so we had a good
rapport already, right off the bat.
1349
01:02:44,484 --> 01:02:47,591
I really liked the concept
of what he was doing.
1350
01:02:47,625 --> 01:02:48,799
It was pretty new at the time
1351
01:02:48,834 --> 01:02:50,801
because the internet
was kind of new
1352
01:02:51,940 --> 01:02:55,564
and that kind of
messaging and stuff,
1353
01:02:55,599 --> 01:02:57,946
which is now, everybody
does on their phone,
1354
01:02:57,981 --> 01:02:59,120
that was kind of new.
1355
01:02:59,154 --> 01:03:01,950
So it was a pretty
cool, innovative concept
1356
01:03:01,985 --> 01:03:06,127
and it was a, to do those
kind of prosthetics on him
1357
01:03:06,161 --> 01:03:09,820
to make all those piercings
and tattoos and everything
1358
01:03:09,855 --> 01:03:12,754
was challenging
because it had to,
1359
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:16,033
it was very thin and had
to look real on his skin
1360
01:03:16,068 --> 01:03:18,656
and then a really cool effect
we got to sew peoples mouth.
1361
01:03:18,691 --> 01:03:20,037
I got to work with
Robert Englund.
1362
01:03:20,072 --> 01:03:22,039
I had worked with him
a few times before
1363
01:03:22,074 --> 01:03:23,489
but I think that
was the first time
1364
01:03:23,523 --> 01:03:25,249
I actually applied
makeup to him.
1365
01:03:25,284 --> 01:03:27,355
So that was fun, I got
to sew his mouth shut
1366
01:03:27,389 --> 01:03:31,324
and overall it was
a really fun film
1367
01:03:31,359 --> 01:03:32,532
and Dee's a really cool guy.
1368
01:03:32,567 --> 01:03:34,983
I've stayed friends
with him since.
1369
01:03:35,018 --> 01:03:38,124
Would love to see a
sequel one of these days.
1370
01:03:40,057 --> 01:03:43,336
- Pain is a uniquely
personal experience.
1371
01:03:43,371 --> 01:03:45,752
- Oh god, please don't
let this be happening.
1372
01:03:45,787 --> 01:03:47,067
My badges are forever.
1373
01:03:47,099 --> 01:03:48,755
- My badge represents the law.
1374
01:03:55,383 --> 01:03:57,316
- I'll kill him.
1375
01:03:57,350 --> 01:03:58,351
- Trust me.
1376
01:03:59,905 --> 01:04:01,044
That's better.
1377
01:04:01,078 --> 01:04:02,331
- You always remember
your first film.
1378
01:04:02,355 --> 01:04:04,495
I'd done, before the
film, in high school
1379
01:04:04,530 --> 01:04:07,395
I'd done two shot
on video, you know,
1380
01:04:07,429 --> 01:04:09,949
straight to video,
never released,
1381
01:04:09,984 --> 01:04:11,192
until actually now.
1382
01:04:11,226 --> 01:04:12,894
The Vinegar Syndrome
released Murder Winter
1383
01:04:12,918 --> 01:04:16,024
which I did as a
senior in the 80s.
1384
01:04:16,059 --> 01:04:17,992
But it was my first
professional film.
1385
01:04:18,026 --> 01:04:20,684
In a way it was very easy
because I actually had a crew
1386
01:04:20,718 --> 01:04:22,110
and a cast that wanted
to make the film
1387
01:04:22,134 --> 01:04:23,756
versus just friends
fooling around
1388
01:04:23,790 --> 01:04:25,931
and I was doing everything
on those little movies
1389
01:04:25,965 --> 01:04:28,485
so I finally had
support on the film.
1390
01:04:29,866 --> 01:04:31,705
I was, I think, the
youngest person on the set
1391
01:04:31,729 --> 01:04:34,008
and the lead actor, who I
went to high school with,
1392
01:04:34,042 --> 01:04:35,709
Craig Peck, we were both
like 20 at the time.
1393
01:04:35,733 --> 01:04:36,942
Everybody else was older.
1394
01:04:38,288 --> 01:04:40,083
But I planned it out.
1395
01:04:40,117 --> 01:04:41,739
I did a shot list,
I was prepared
1396
01:04:41,774 --> 01:04:44,121
and everybody, you
know, understood
1397
01:04:44,156 --> 01:04:45,364
that I knew what I was doing
1398
01:04:45,398 --> 01:04:47,090
'cause my father was
producing the film
1399
01:04:47,124 --> 01:04:49,644
but they could see that
I was making the movie
1400
01:04:49,678 --> 01:04:52,267
and I had a very strong vision
on what the film should be.
1401
01:04:52,302 --> 01:04:53,337
- This place is great.
1402
01:04:53,372 --> 01:04:55,961
- Where's the bedrooms?
1403
01:04:55,995 --> 01:04:57,248
- Why don't I take a nice stroll
1404
01:04:57,272 --> 01:04:58,801
down that dirt path into
the woods late tonight,
1405
01:04:58,825 --> 01:05:00,275
all by myself?
1406
01:05:00,310 --> 01:05:01,908
Oh, I think I stepped
on something.
1407
01:05:01,932 --> 01:05:03,599
- And afterwards I can go
skinny dipping in the pond.
1408
01:05:03,623 --> 01:05:04,866
- I don't see anything.
1409
01:05:04,901 --> 01:05:05,936
It was probably nothing.
1410
01:05:05,971 --> 01:05:07,213
- There is something out there.
1411
01:05:07,248 --> 01:05:08,456
Don't forget, I've rented out
1412
01:05:08,490 --> 01:05:10,354
every single horror
film on videotape.
1413
01:05:10,389 --> 01:05:11,942
- He's driving me crazy.
1414
01:05:11,977 --> 01:05:13,944
There's no need to worry.
1415
01:05:13,979 --> 01:05:15,128
- What are we
talking about here?
1416
01:05:15,152 --> 01:05:17,051
Those things pop
out of your stomach
1417
01:05:17,085 --> 01:05:18,190
when you least expect it?
1418
01:05:18,224 --> 01:05:19,122
- Yes, that's it.
1419
01:05:19,156 --> 01:05:20,364
You've seen some movies, too.
1420
01:05:20,399 --> 01:05:21,721
There is no need to fear.
1421
01:05:21,745 --> 01:05:24,541
- There's nothing out there.
1422
01:05:24,575 --> 01:05:26,174
That's where
the rest of the chicken was.
1423
01:05:26,198 --> 01:05:27,544
- Yeah, no more dinner for me.
1424
01:05:27,578 --> 01:05:28,786
- That's insane.
1425
01:05:28,821 --> 01:05:30,178
There's nothing out there.
1426
01:05:32,342 --> 01:05:33,342
- Did you hear something?
1427
01:05:37,312 --> 01:05:38,658
Now, I know I heard something.
1428
01:05:38,693 --> 01:05:39,842
- In the opening of the movie
1429
01:05:39,866 --> 01:05:43,215
there's a stunt where the girl,
1430
01:05:43,249 --> 01:05:44,941
there's a scene
in the video store
1431
01:05:44,975 --> 01:05:48,979
which, that was actually added, that was
not in the original version of the script.
1432
01:05:49,014 --> 01:05:49,946
The video store opening.
1433
01:05:49,980 --> 01:05:52,431
I had seen Lethal Weapon Two
1434
01:05:52,465 --> 01:05:54,364
and I loved the fact
that they began the film
1435
01:05:54,398 --> 01:05:55,572
in the middle of a car chase
1436
01:05:55,606 --> 01:05:56,790
and I thought it
would be really fun
1437
01:05:56,814 --> 01:05:58,344
to start the film in
the middle of something.
1438
01:05:58,368 --> 01:05:59,817
So we start in the video store
1439
01:05:59,852 --> 01:06:01,036
and we found a real video store
1440
01:06:01,060 --> 01:06:03,200
and we shot in Pacific
Palisades, New York
1441
01:06:03,235 --> 01:06:04,719
and there was a real store
1442
01:06:04,753 --> 01:06:05,962
that the guy let us use
1443
01:06:05,996 --> 01:06:07,560
and those were all the
video boxes in there
1444
01:06:07,584 --> 01:06:09,068
and I though it be
great to have kind
1445
01:06:09,103 --> 01:06:10,908
of this nightmare sequence
where she's being stalked
1446
01:06:10,932 --> 01:06:13,383
by somebody, something and
all the video boxes are there
1447
01:06:13,417 --> 01:06:15,109
and don't show the titles,
1448
01:06:15,143 --> 01:06:16,465
so everyone who's
a fan can be like,
1449
01:06:16,489 --> 01:06:18,260
I know that movie, that movie,
you recognize all the titles
1450
01:06:18,284 --> 01:06:19,596
and then she wakes up in her car
1451
01:06:19,630 --> 01:06:21,701
and then drives off the
road with a big stunt
1452
01:06:21,736 --> 01:06:22,782
and then gets attacked
by the creature.
1453
01:06:22,806 --> 01:06:24,394
So it had like a double opening.
1454
01:06:25,222 --> 01:06:26,361
The car jump,
1455
01:06:26,396 --> 01:06:28,122
we had a stunt
driver who did that.
1456
01:06:28,156 --> 01:06:29,340
We built the ramp
and everything.
1457
01:06:29,364 --> 01:06:30,710
It was like a park, I think,
1458
01:06:30,745 --> 01:06:33,955
and there was a
bet about how far
1459
01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:35,543
the car was gonna go
1460
01:06:35,577 --> 01:06:38,580
and of course the
winner was the driver
1461
01:06:38,615 --> 01:06:40,272
who wound up hitting the ramp
1462
01:06:40,306 --> 01:06:42,308
going like 45 miles
an hour versus 30
1463
01:06:42,343 --> 01:06:43,896
and landed on the camera.
1464
01:06:43,930 --> 01:06:44,977
Pulled the plug just before
1465
01:06:45,001 --> 01:06:46,599
but you can see the
shot of it coming in.
1466
01:06:46,623 --> 01:06:48,290
So that was like, oh that
was an expensive little stunt
1467
01:06:48,314 --> 01:06:49,729
but looks great on the film.
1468
01:06:49,764 --> 01:06:52,249
This is one of the original,
1469
01:06:52,284 --> 01:06:54,434
I think they only did two
or three of these creatures.
1470
01:06:54,458 --> 01:06:56,529
We destroyed most of
them in the movie.
1471
01:06:56,564 --> 01:06:58,048
One had a little animatronics,
1472
01:06:59,118 --> 01:07:02,259
so it breathed a
little bit and the eyes
1473
01:07:02,294 --> 01:07:03,812
kind of blinked a little bit.
1474
01:07:04,986 --> 01:07:07,851
But this was pretty much
our creature that we,
1475
01:07:07,885 --> 01:07:12,580
in the movie, in the finale
of the film, especially,
1476
01:07:12,614 --> 01:07:14,754
when it's roaming
through the house,
1477
01:07:15,859 --> 01:07:17,930
we put it on a
remote control truck
1478
01:07:17,964 --> 01:07:20,208
and drove it around with
the camera on the Steadicam
1479
01:07:20,243 --> 01:07:22,003
following it from
in front and behind
1480
01:07:22,038 --> 01:07:24,212
and that's how we got it
moving through the floors.
1481
01:07:24,247 --> 01:07:26,190
There was a little bit of
puppeteering work being done
1482
01:07:26,214 --> 01:07:28,251
with the creature
for some of that,
1483
01:07:28,285 --> 01:07:30,839
when it's kind of doing
this and moving around.
1484
01:07:30,874 --> 01:07:33,739
But the tentacles, green slime,
1485
01:07:33,773 --> 01:07:37,018
and yeah this was all
created by Scott Hart
1486
01:07:37,053 --> 01:07:38,951
of Imageffects Studio back in 89
1487
01:07:40,297 --> 01:07:44,094
and it's made a few
appearance on tape
1488
01:07:44,129 --> 01:07:46,614
but hasn't been seen too often
1489
01:07:46,648 --> 01:07:48,202
and it's amazing that
it still holds up
1490
01:07:48,236 --> 01:07:49,479
as well as it does.
1491
01:07:49,513 --> 01:07:51,595
There was a longer tail. I
do have the tail end of the part
1492
01:07:51,619 --> 01:07:53,873
but the tail did eventually
fall off 'cause it's, you know.
1493
01:07:53,897 --> 01:07:56,313
But this was kind of one
of our stunt creatures
1494
01:07:56,348 --> 01:07:58,177
that was sort of
salvaged in the movie
1495
01:07:58,212 --> 01:08:01,353
'cause we burnt one up
in the stove at the end.
1496
01:08:02,319 --> 01:08:03,700
They took a lot of abuse.
1497
01:08:07,290 --> 01:08:09,188
- It's as if his brain
has been sucked dry.
1498
01:08:12,985 --> 01:08:14,090
- I say we set a trap.
1499
01:08:17,714 --> 01:08:19,474
The lights, hit it
with your lights.
1500
01:08:27,724 --> 01:08:29,105
The Killer Eye.
1501
01:08:30,244 --> 01:08:32,418
- David DeCoteau I
had known for awhile.
1502
01:08:32,453 --> 01:08:33,902
Very nice guy, really friendly,
1503
01:08:33,937 --> 01:08:35,466
gave me a lot of advice
on certain things,
1504
01:08:35,490 --> 01:08:37,285
when I was shooting
some of these quickie,
1505
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:38,907
six day erotic movies.
1506
01:08:38,942 --> 01:08:41,393
'Cause he's the master of speed.
1507
01:08:41,427 --> 01:08:43,498
It's amazing what he can do.
1508
01:08:43,533 --> 01:08:45,155
Nobody can do what Dave does.
1509
01:08:45,190 --> 01:08:48,193
So he was gonna do this
movie called The Killer Eye
1510
01:08:48,227 --> 01:08:49,918
which was written
by Benjamin Carr,
1511
01:08:49,953 --> 01:08:52,749
AKA, you know who
he is probably.
1512
01:08:54,371 --> 01:08:56,408
DeCoteau really didn't
want to do the movie
1513
01:08:56,442 --> 01:08:57,892
and he didn't like the script.
1514
01:08:57,926 --> 01:08:59,307
So what he wanted to do
1515
01:08:59,342 --> 01:09:01,344
was bring me in to do
a rewrite on the script
1516
01:09:01,378 --> 01:09:02,838
and then hopefully
convince Charlie Band
1517
01:09:02,862 --> 01:09:04,416
to let me direct the film.
1518
01:09:04,450 --> 01:09:08,109
So I read the script
and I was actually
1519
01:09:08,144 --> 01:09:09,362
the only one who didn't hate it.
1520
01:09:09,386 --> 01:09:12,424
I was like, okay it's
about a giant eyeball
1521
01:09:12,458 --> 01:09:14,184
that's trying to
have sex with women.
1522
01:09:14,219 --> 01:09:16,635
That's different, you know,
1523
01:09:16,669 --> 01:09:19,189
so I thought it could
be a lot of fun.
1524
01:09:19,224 --> 01:09:22,330
So I wrote an ambitious
little script.
1525
01:09:22,365 --> 01:09:24,021
As I said, if I had directed it,
1526
01:09:24,056 --> 01:09:26,586
the only thing that would have made it
like even perfect was if it was a musical.
1527
01:09:26,610 --> 01:09:28,381
Was about a singing, killer
eyeball would have been,
1528
01:09:28,405 --> 01:09:33,410
I said it should be like
Tremors meets Re-animator,
1529
01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:35,412
or whatever it is.
1530
01:09:35,447 --> 01:09:37,010
I mean that was what the
vibe should have been.
1531
01:09:37,034 --> 01:09:40,037
So I wrote the script,
DeCoteau thought it was great
1532
01:09:40,072 --> 01:09:43,627
but he couldn't convince
Charlieto let me direct the film
1533
01:09:43,662 --> 01:09:45,077
at the point.
1534
01:09:45,111 --> 01:09:47,493
So he brought in
Matthew Jason Walsh
1535
01:09:47,528 --> 01:09:51,359
to do a toned down
version of my script
1536
01:09:51,394 --> 01:09:54,535
and make it doable that
he could shoot in four days
1537
01:09:54,569 --> 01:09:56,813
and that's what he wound
up shooting on the film there.
1538
01:10:02,094 --> 01:10:04,959
- Bolted doors and
windows barred.
1539
01:10:07,617 --> 01:10:10,792
Guard dogs prowling in the yard.
1540
01:10:13,933 --> 01:10:15,970
Won't protect you in your bed.
1541
01:10:18,628 --> 01:10:21,872
Nothing will from Pumpkinhead.
1542
01:10:21,907 --> 01:10:24,047
- And in Pumpkinhead
II when I was hired
1543
01:10:24,081 --> 01:10:28,741
to do it was not necessarily
a direct to video movie
1544
01:10:28,776 --> 01:10:30,743
even though that
was the ultimate,
1545
01:10:30,778 --> 01:10:33,781
probably the ultimate
probable destination
1546
01:10:33,815 --> 01:10:37,233
but I remember they were
talking when I first,
1547
01:10:37,267 --> 01:10:40,374
the first letter they
sent me with the script
1548
01:10:40,408 --> 01:10:45,171
with like oh, MGM, who
had some involvement
1549
01:10:45,206 --> 01:10:48,347
in the first movie, might
want to put this out theatrically
1550
01:10:48,382 --> 01:10:50,280
so we're hoping for
a theatrical release
1551
01:10:50,315 --> 01:10:52,351
but the production
situations were such
1552
01:10:52,386 --> 01:10:55,837
that it pretty much
damned the movie
1553
01:10:55,872 --> 01:10:59,427
to direct to video no
matter how, how it turned out
1554
01:11:00,325 --> 01:11:01,602
and that's one of the things
1555
01:11:01,636 --> 01:11:03,673
with direct to video
in the 80s and 90s,
1556
01:11:03,707 --> 01:11:05,778
there certainly was
a budgetary component
1557
01:11:05,813 --> 01:11:08,022
primarily to it.
1558
01:11:08,056 --> 01:11:09,920
There were some
bigger budget movies
1559
01:11:09,955 --> 01:11:11,439
that went direct to video
1560
01:11:11,474 --> 01:11:13,372
but those were certainly
deemed failures
1561
01:11:13,407 --> 01:11:17,756
but in the under a
million dollar range movies
1562
01:11:18,929 --> 01:11:20,690
they were almost
all, genre movies,
1563
01:11:20,724 --> 01:11:22,933
they were almost invariably
going direct to video.
1564
01:11:22,968 --> 01:11:27,455
So Pumpkinhead II ended
up direct to video in America.
1565
01:11:27,490 --> 01:11:31,528
Night of the Scarecrow, a
movie I did fairly soon after,
1566
01:11:32,702 --> 01:11:36,084
that was, it was a
very strange project
1567
01:11:36,119 --> 01:11:38,673
because it wasn't, it
was right at that cusp,
1568
01:11:38,708 --> 01:11:41,745
it was right pre
Scream where horror
1569
01:11:41,780 --> 01:11:43,126
had really hit a low.
1570
01:11:44,472 --> 01:11:49,477
Certainly theatrically
and it was designed to,
1571
01:11:50,616 --> 01:11:51,997
originally the
script was written
1572
01:11:52,031 --> 01:11:55,345
to be a knockoff of
TheNightmare on Elm Street series,
1573
01:11:55,380 --> 01:11:57,485
so the scarecrow was
making wisecracks
1574
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,038
all through it and really being
1575
01:11:59,073 --> 01:12:01,731
kinda a surrogate
Freddy Krueger figure
1576
01:12:01,765 --> 01:12:05,113
and would be able to conjure up
1577
01:12:05,148 --> 01:12:09,635
anything and
everything in his power
1578
01:12:09,670 --> 01:12:11,361
and was written
to be like a five
1579
01:12:11,396 --> 01:12:12,638
or six million dollar movie
1580
01:12:12,673 --> 01:12:15,641
and when Steve White
and Barry Bernardi
1581
01:12:15,676 --> 01:12:17,816
two experienced television,
1582
01:12:17,850 --> 01:12:19,300
primarily at that
time, television
1583
01:12:19,335 --> 01:12:21,889
or direct to video producers,
1584
01:12:23,062 --> 01:12:24,409
got ahold of the project
1585
01:12:24,443 --> 01:12:27,998
they bought it in turn
around from Corsair Pictures,
1586
01:12:28,033 --> 01:12:31,554
which was a short lived
theatrical company
1587
01:12:31,588 --> 01:12:33,763
run by Frank Perry,
a very good director
1588
01:12:33,797 --> 01:12:34,798
who did The Swimmer,
1589
01:12:36,006 --> 01:12:38,215
they made a few movie,
Shock to the System,
1590
01:12:38,250 --> 01:12:41,011
a few others, that didn't
do anything theatrically
1591
01:12:41,046 --> 01:12:42,323
and then kind of folded
1592
01:12:42,358 --> 01:12:45,499
and then Barry and
Steve bought the script.
1593
01:12:45,533 --> 01:12:48,398
So, I guess they had
attempts to get it made
1594
01:12:48,433 --> 01:12:49,882
and they finally
decided, you know,
1595
01:12:49,917 --> 01:12:51,470
we'll make it at a
much lower budget
1596
01:12:51,505 --> 01:12:53,403
than originally intended
1597
01:12:53,438 --> 01:12:56,958
and they got Republic
Pictures involved
1598
01:12:56,993 --> 01:12:58,788
to help fiance it.
1599
01:13:00,272 --> 01:13:01,238
- It was an accident,
1600
01:13:01,273 --> 01:13:03,862
what the hell else could it be?
1601
01:13:05,070 --> 01:13:07,313
- What if it wasn't an accident?
1602
01:13:08,418 --> 01:13:10,085
- Geeze, you look like
you just saw a ghost.
1603
01:13:10,109 --> 01:13:12,018
- It's like they're protecting
some nasty little secret
1604
01:13:12,042 --> 01:13:13,319
but nobody knows what it is.
1605
01:13:13,354 --> 01:13:15,977
This is hysteria
running out of control.
1606
01:13:16,012 --> 01:13:18,428
- Two, maybe three
murders in the last two nights,
1607
01:13:18,463 --> 01:13:20,499
it's not being done
by a man at all.
1608
01:13:21,431 --> 01:13:22,431
- Hey!
1609
01:13:23,675 --> 01:13:26,091
- If we don't guard him
they're all gonna be dead.
1610
01:13:26,125 --> 01:13:27,851
- He has come back.
1611
01:13:31,234 --> 01:13:32,511
- Dad?
1612
01:13:32,546 --> 01:13:35,549
- He will become human again.
1613
01:13:36,446 --> 01:13:37,792
- Dad?
1614
01:13:37,827 --> 01:13:40,346
- No one can stop his power.
1615
01:13:47,526 --> 01:13:49,217
- Republic Pictures
was owned by Spelling
1616
01:13:49,252 --> 01:13:51,703
and it was kind of
this weird entity
1617
01:13:51,737 --> 01:13:53,601
where they had done some direct
1618
01:13:53,636 --> 01:13:57,329
to video Amityville
horror movies, sequels,
1619
01:13:57,363 --> 01:14:00,470
and kind of like
reviving the brand
1620
01:14:00,505 --> 01:14:01,782
'cause Republic was a very,
1621
01:14:01,816 --> 01:14:04,750
in the 40s, you know,
30s and 40s and 50s
1622
01:14:04,785 --> 01:14:09,721
a well known studio
that did primarily
1623
01:14:11,654 --> 01:14:14,864
kinda cinema fodder
for the masses.
1624
01:14:14,898 --> 01:14:17,280
Out of the darkness of our past.
1625
01:14:18,488 --> 01:14:20,939
Out of the visions
of our childhood.
1626
01:14:22,596 --> 01:14:27,186
Comes the one fear we
thought we left behind.
1627
01:14:27,221 --> 01:14:31,225
The one nightmare we
hoped had gone away.
1628
01:14:31,259 --> 01:14:34,366
But the evil we once invited in
1629
01:14:36,057 --> 01:14:38,474
has found its way back home.
1630
01:14:39,923 --> 01:14:43,444
The Amityville Horror
has a new address.
1631
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:44,480
- No!
1632
01:14:47,862 --> 01:14:49,105
- It's payback time.
1633
01:14:49,139 --> 01:14:50,934
- I think there's a
scene in that movie
1634
01:14:51,625 --> 01:14:55,870
where someone gets
stung on their butt
1635
01:14:55,905 --> 01:14:58,701
by a wasp or something like that
1636
01:14:58,735 --> 01:15:01,427
and it was a girl in the film
1637
01:15:01,462 --> 01:15:04,534
but they made a mold of
my butt for it
1638
01:15:04,569 --> 01:15:06,916
for the closeup shot
of the thing being done
1639
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:08,780
and uh.
1640
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:11,679
I remember that very well.
1641
01:15:11,714 --> 01:15:13,381
Someone made a mold of
my butt in the phone booth
1642
01:15:13,405 --> 01:15:16,166
and alginate real quick like,
1643
01:15:16,201 --> 01:15:20,032
and I think there's a
giant rat in that movie, too.
1644
01:15:21,206 --> 01:15:23,691
We made a giant rat tail
out of hot pour vinyl
1645
01:15:23,726 --> 01:15:24,968
and it was attached to a chain,
1646
01:15:25,003 --> 01:15:26,452
which is basically
the same material
1647
01:15:26,487 --> 01:15:27,902
that dildoes are made out of.
1648
01:15:27,937 --> 01:15:30,008
But the movie's
pretty inventive.
1649
01:15:30,042 --> 01:15:32,735
It has a lot of really
cool creative ways
1650
01:15:32,769 --> 01:15:36,428
that they came up with to
make the haunting new and fresh
1651
01:15:36,462 --> 01:15:39,569
and I think there's
even like a father,
1652
01:15:39,604 --> 01:15:42,814
like a corpse of a father
that keeps coming back
1653
01:15:42,848 --> 01:15:46,680
and he decays like more
and more throughout the film
1654
01:15:46,714 --> 01:15:48,716
that my boss at the time,
1655
01:15:48,751 --> 01:15:50,718
had built all these
different foam prosthetics
1656
01:15:50,753 --> 01:15:53,376
to show the degradation
of his cadaver
1657
01:15:53,410 --> 01:15:54,410
throughout the film.
1658
01:15:55,343 --> 01:15:56,241
One cold night,
1659
01:15:56,275 --> 01:15:59,037
science and evil collide.
1660
01:16:02,937 --> 01:16:04,076
- Oh yeah.
1661
01:16:15,847 --> 01:16:18,608
Now, a
serial killer is on the loose.
1662
01:16:18,643 --> 01:16:21,507
- We haven't tested
the acid on an amoeba
1663
01:16:21,542 --> 01:16:23,268
let alone a human cell.
1664
01:16:23,302 --> 01:16:25,097
This is a disaster.
1665
01:16:25,132 --> 01:16:26,730
Look, I just
something that doesn't belong
1666
01:16:26,754 --> 01:16:29,032
in this world and it's out
there killing my friends.
1667
01:16:29,067 --> 01:16:30,240
Now tell me what it is.
1668
01:16:31,345 --> 01:16:32,760
- Jack Frost.
1669
01:16:32,795 --> 01:16:34,866
- Screaming Mad
George had been hired
1670
01:16:34,900 --> 01:16:37,800
to do all the makeup effects
and the snowman costumes
1671
01:16:37,834 --> 01:16:41,217
for that film, which
was a low budget film,
1672
01:16:41,251 --> 01:16:46,222
and his foam
fabricator, I heard,
1673
01:16:46,256 --> 01:16:48,189
he refused to make a snowman.
1674
01:16:48,224 --> 01:16:49,674
He didn't want to
make a snowman.
1675
01:16:49,708 --> 01:16:51,192
That's what I heard.
1676
01:16:51,227 --> 01:16:53,712
I don't think the guy just
quit for no good reason.
1677
01:16:53,747 --> 01:16:56,404
His good reason was, I don't
want to make a snowman.
1678
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:59,615
So Mike Deak called
me and he said,
1679
01:16:59,649 --> 01:17:02,445
"Hey, man, can you
help us out on this?"
1680
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:03,860
and I said, sure.
1681
01:17:03,895 --> 01:17:08,900
You know, so we made at
least two complete full suits.
1682
01:17:09,659 --> 01:17:10,833
We made upper bodies.
1683
01:17:10,867 --> 01:17:12,420
I think we made puppet heads,
1684
01:17:12,455 --> 01:17:16,770
including ones with
big icicle fangs on it.
1685
01:17:16,804 --> 01:17:20,325
We made a thing for the
end where it was supposed
1686
01:17:20,359 --> 01:17:23,121
to be melting but melted
back into a human face
1687
01:17:23,155 --> 01:17:26,469
so it was, and for some
reason they didn't use that.
1688
01:17:26,503 --> 01:17:28,126
I thought it looked
kind of cool.
1689
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:31,819
But you know, arms and
gags and so forth like that.
1690
01:17:31,854 --> 01:17:33,649
I never went, I went up,
1691
01:17:33,683 --> 01:17:35,374
I think I went to the
Lincoln Heights Jail
1692
01:17:35,409 --> 01:17:39,689
or one of the places they
were shooting the prison scenes
1693
01:17:39,724 --> 01:17:44,694
but I never went up to Big Bear,
1694
01:17:45,591 --> 01:17:46,731
wherever they were shooting
1695
01:17:46,765 --> 01:17:48,629
and apparently
they were shooting
1696
01:17:48,664 --> 01:17:53,669
in the most snowless
winter of California history,
1697
01:17:55,118 --> 01:17:56,879
at least recent
California history.
1698
01:17:56,913 --> 01:17:58,397
So if you look, you know,
1699
01:17:58,432 --> 01:18:01,400
there's little patches of
snow which are actually,
1700
01:18:02,816 --> 01:18:05,370
cotton ground cover things
that they would move around
1701
01:18:05,404 --> 01:18:06,647
from shot to shot.
1702
01:18:06,682 --> 01:18:09,167
So, I love the fact
that there's almost
1703
01:18:09,201 --> 01:18:11,825
a completely snowless,
ice free parking lot
1704
01:18:11,859 --> 01:18:13,309
and this is where they're having
1705
01:18:13,343 --> 01:18:15,967
their snowman
building contest, so.
1706
01:18:16,001 --> 01:18:20,074
But anyway, it was an
absolutely silly film
1707
01:18:20,109 --> 01:18:23,353
and it was made for a
great first Total Fabrication
1708
01:18:23,388 --> 01:18:26,943
Christmas card, because we
had a snowman for god sake
1709
01:18:28,669 --> 01:18:30,740
and also it was also because,
1710
01:18:32,638 --> 01:18:35,745
I remember had
just gotten DirecTV
1711
01:18:35,780 --> 01:18:39,369
and apparently their
listings constantly confused
1712
01:18:39,404 --> 01:18:42,787
the Michael Keaton
family film by the same title
1713
01:18:42,821 --> 01:18:44,961
with this and I
would switch it on.
1714
01:18:44,996 --> 01:18:49,069
I said, no that's
not the G-rated film.
1715
01:18:49,103 --> 01:18:51,796
Some parents are probably
gonna be a bit upset by this.
1716
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:54,937
It's Christmas
time again in Snowmonton
1717
01:18:54,971 --> 01:18:56,973
and they want to get
away from it away.
1718
01:18:57,008 --> 01:19:00,390
- It was exactly a year
ago that it happened.
1719
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,160
- And that's why we should be
somewhere else for Christmas.
1720
01:19:06,603 --> 01:19:07,822
- Another beauteous
day in heaven, eh?
1721
01:19:07,846 --> 01:19:09,572
- Welcome to The Tropicana.
1722
01:19:09,606 --> 01:19:11,539
Your last resort
in whole paradise.
1723
01:19:11,574 --> 01:19:13,783
- This is a job for Captain Fun!
1724
01:19:15,302 --> 01:19:16,648
♪ Jingle bells jingle bells
1725
01:19:16,682 --> 01:19:18,995
But there's trouble in paradise.
1726
01:19:19,030 --> 01:19:20,445
- Everybody's dead!
1727
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,378
- Oh no, not the scary dude.
1728
01:19:22,412 --> 01:19:24,380
- Scary dude's already here.
1729
01:19:24,414 --> 01:19:25,622
- Let's see, Jack Frost 2
1730
01:19:25,657 --> 01:19:28,833
I worked on set for
a couple of days.
1731
01:19:28,867 --> 01:19:31,007
It was shot here in
the San Fernando Valley
1732
01:19:31,042 --> 01:19:33,803
in the middle of summer
and the whole thing
1733
01:19:33,838 --> 01:19:35,425
takes place in the winter
1734
01:19:35,460 --> 01:19:39,636
and it was shot at a,
like a ranch up in,
1735
01:19:41,121 --> 01:19:42,605
I want to say Nordhoff,
1736
01:19:44,331 --> 01:19:45,815
Northridge, Northridge maybe?
1737
01:19:45,850 --> 01:19:49,646
And uh, the entire, all the,
1738
01:19:49,681 --> 01:19:51,959
most people don't know
but all the snow in that movie
1739
01:19:51,994 --> 01:19:55,411
was soap and they
had these machines
1740
01:19:55,445 --> 01:19:57,965
that they would make
like all this sudsy soap
1741
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,830
allover the place and it was
shot in the middle of summer.
1742
01:20:00,865 --> 01:20:02,004
So it was hot.
1743
01:20:02,038 --> 01:20:03,626
There was soap
allover the ground
1744
01:20:03,660 --> 01:20:04,914
and everybody was walking around
1745
01:20:04,938 --> 01:20:07,250
and literally like the
soap was like moldy,
1746
01:20:07,285 --> 01:20:09,874
it was moldy after a week or so
1747
01:20:09,908 --> 01:20:12,669
on the ground with the heat
and the water and the moist
1748
01:20:12,704 --> 01:20:15,845
and you know, but it
was pretty inventive.
1749
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:16,891
It looked amazing on camera.
1750
01:20:16,915 --> 01:20:19,159
You would have never known that.
1751
01:20:19,193 --> 01:20:22,887
I just remember coming
in for some of the kills,
1752
01:20:22,921 --> 01:20:27,029
helping my boss, at the
time, build this giant icicle
1753
01:20:27,063 --> 01:20:29,755
that like impales a
lover, two lovers,
1754
01:20:29,790 --> 01:20:30,687
or something like that
1755
01:20:30,722 --> 01:20:33,414
and puppeteering some of the,
1756
01:20:33,449 --> 01:20:35,451
I think there will killer
snowballs, I think.
1757
01:20:35,485 --> 01:20:37,902
Little like gremlin like
killer snowball puppets
1758
01:20:37,936 --> 01:20:41,664
and helping the stunt
performer get into the costume
1759
01:20:41,698 --> 01:20:43,942
for the main killer snowman
1760
01:20:43,977 --> 01:20:48,878
and I do remember that
they had a giant carrot nose
1761
01:20:50,052 --> 01:20:52,226
that they used to drop
on a miniature ship,
1762
01:20:52,261 --> 01:20:54,332
a miniature boat at
the end of the movie,
1763
01:20:54,366 --> 01:20:55,792
like he was melted,
right, he was snow
1764
01:20:55,816 --> 01:20:58,267
and then a giant carrot
smashes the boat.
1765
01:20:58,301 --> 01:21:00,441
So there was some pretty
and innovative things
1766
01:21:00,476 --> 01:21:01,477
they did for that film.
1767
01:21:01,511 --> 01:21:03,513
The wrong night.
1768
01:21:03,548 --> 01:21:04,825
- What the hell was that?
1769
01:21:04,860 --> 01:21:06,378
The wrong road.
1770
01:21:06,413 --> 01:21:08,794
- That son of a bitch
siphoned our tank.
1771
01:21:08,829 --> 01:21:10,762
One wrong turn.
1772
01:21:10,796 --> 01:21:12,533
- Guys, maybe we should
go back up to the road.
1773
01:21:12,557 --> 01:21:15,663
That way if a car comes
then they can call for help.
1774
01:21:15,698 --> 01:21:17,838
- Yeah, right
before they kill us.
1775
01:21:17,873 --> 01:21:20,703
And four
teenagers are about to learn
1776
01:21:20,737 --> 01:21:23,602
that when you tell
too many scary stories
1777
01:21:23,637 --> 01:21:25,846
you just might end up in one.
1778
01:21:28,711 --> 01:21:31,093
I see you!
1779
01:21:31,127 --> 01:21:32,266
- Mom, Mom, Mom!
1780
01:21:32,301 --> 01:21:33,267
There's a man under my bed!
1781
01:21:33,302 --> 01:21:34,924
♪ Alive today
1782
01:21:34,959 --> 01:21:39,411
♪ If I don't get no shelter
1783
01:21:39,446 --> 01:21:42,587
♪ Oh yeah I'm gonna fade away
1784
01:21:42,621 --> 01:21:43,864
- No!
1785
01:21:43,899 --> 01:21:46,384
♪ Oh children
1786
01:21:47,764 --> 01:21:49,801
- Get away from me!
1787
01:21:49,835 --> 01:21:51,251
♪ He's just a shot away
1788
01:21:51,285 --> 01:21:54,081
- If they stop me,
you lock your doors
1789
01:21:54,116 --> 01:21:55,565
and wait for sun up.
1790
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,568
♪ He's just a shot away
1791
01:21:58,603 --> 01:22:00,053
- How bizarre was that?
1792
01:22:00,087 --> 01:22:01,640
Campfire Tales.
1793
01:22:01,675 --> 01:22:04,057
- Lets see, I was brought
in on Campfire Tales
1794
01:22:04,091 --> 01:22:07,301
by my special effects
peer, Mark Villalobos
1795
01:22:07,336 --> 01:22:09,165
a that the time, and he's like,
1796
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:10,718
"Joe, come on with me to set.
1797
01:22:10,753 --> 01:22:13,687
We're gonna do this, we're
gonna do this bloody scene,
1798
01:22:13,721 --> 01:22:16,483
bloody sequence" and
I came in for one day
1799
01:22:16,517 --> 01:22:19,900
and it was a scene in
a cabin, I believe,
1800
01:22:19,935 --> 01:22:24,560
that is completely destroyed.
1801
01:22:24,594 --> 01:22:27,080
It looked like a massacre
had been taken place inside
1802
01:22:27,114 --> 01:22:30,876
and at the time, the
set was custom built
1803
01:22:30,911 --> 01:22:33,707
by the art department
and it was shot on location
1804
01:22:33,741 --> 01:22:36,261
but I believe the
set was built inside
1805
01:22:36,296 --> 01:22:38,919
of another room on location.
1806
01:22:38,954 --> 01:22:41,335
So someone had come in
and literally put a wall
1807
01:22:41,370 --> 01:22:43,786
over another wall and
walls over these walls
1808
01:22:43,820 --> 01:22:45,833
and brought in furniture
to make it look like a cabin
1809
01:22:45,857 --> 01:22:47,031
and what not.
1810
01:22:47,065 --> 01:22:48,387
I don't know if the
pieces were rented
1811
01:22:48,411 --> 01:22:51,000
or they were built by hand
1812
01:22:51,035 --> 01:22:52,760
but there was this iron stove
1813
01:22:52,795 --> 01:22:54,359
and there was all
kinds of stuff in there
1814
01:22:54,383 --> 01:22:56,557
and the director was like,
1815
01:22:56,592 --> 01:22:59,353
"Okay this scene, I want
to be the bloodiest,
1816
01:22:59,388 --> 01:23:00,941
bloodiest scene ever."
1817
01:23:00,976 --> 01:23:02,805
He's like, put some
blood on the wall.
1818
01:23:02,839 --> 01:23:04,876
So we looked over
at the art director,
1819
01:23:04,910 --> 01:23:06,129
who had built this beautiful set
1820
01:23:06,153 --> 01:23:07,751
and we're like, we're
gonna put some blood
1821
01:23:07,775 --> 01:23:09,018
over here on the wall
1822
01:23:09,053 --> 01:23:10,882
and she's like, "Okay
but we have to clean it,
1823
01:23:10,916 --> 01:23:12,125
we have to keep it clean,
1824
01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:14,092
I mean I have to shoot
it clean tomorrow."
1825
01:23:14,127 --> 01:23:16,139
And I'm like, okay so we go
put some blood on the wall
1826
01:23:16,163 --> 01:23:16,992
and the director's like,
1827
01:23:17,026 --> 01:23:17,923
"No, no, no.
1828
01:23:17,958 --> 01:23:19,132
I need more blood than that.
1829
01:23:19,166 --> 01:23:20,374
I need some blood over here
1830
01:23:20,409 --> 01:23:21,997
and then I need
blood over there."
1831
01:23:22,031 --> 01:23:23,412
So, we literally went,
1832
01:23:23,446 --> 01:23:25,034
I remember we went
back to the car
1833
01:23:25,069 --> 01:23:28,210
to get like another
two gallons of blood
1834
01:23:28,244 --> 01:23:29,428
and we emptied it on the walls
1835
01:23:29,452 --> 01:23:30,636
and the director came
back and he goes,
1836
01:23:30,660 --> 01:23:33,249
"I still see blank spots.
1837
01:23:33,284 --> 01:23:36,218
I need it to be blood
all over the walls."
1838
01:23:36,252 --> 01:23:37,840
And I looked over
at the art director
1839
01:23:37,874 --> 01:23:38,875
and she just like,
1840
01:23:40,049 --> 01:23:43,604
like in the nicest
possible voice,
1841
01:23:43,639 --> 01:23:48,540
all she said was, "But it
has to be clean for tomorrow."
1842
01:23:48,575 --> 01:23:50,542
And we went in and
filled in the rest of the wall
1843
01:23:50,577 --> 01:23:51,681
and I have a picture.
1844
01:23:51,716 --> 01:23:53,166
It's like my memory from that,
1845
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:56,376
just a picture we destroyed
this beautiful set with blood.
1846
01:23:56,410 --> 01:23:58,067
I have no, I didn't
go back the next day.
1847
01:23:58,102 --> 01:24:00,656
I don't know how they
were able to clean that up
1848
01:24:00,690 --> 01:24:03,348
or what happened or
how they shot that.
1849
01:24:03,383 --> 01:24:04,867
So.
1850
01:24:10,735 --> 01:24:14,014
Welcome to Hall House.
1851
01:24:14,049 --> 01:24:16,189
- According to the
legend, it's not haunted.
1852
01:24:18,846 --> 01:24:20,365
It's possessed.
1853
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:21,711
A gateway to hell.
1854
01:24:21,746 --> 01:24:23,437
Where this Halloween,
1855
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:27,545
Angela's planning
one hell of a party.
1856
01:24:28,477 --> 01:24:29,685
- Come.
1857
01:24:29,719 --> 01:24:31,411
A night filled with tricks
1858
01:24:32,860 --> 01:24:35,000
and deadly treats.
1859
01:25:06,825 --> 01:25:08,655
Night of the Demons 3.
1860
01:25:09,725 --> 01:25:11,116
- I remember there
was like a giant long
1861
01:25:11,140 --> 01:25:12,428
like serpent tongue
that comes out
1862
01:25:12,452 --> 01:25:13,970
of Angela's mouth at one point
1863
01:25:14,005 --> 01:25:16,697
and goes through the back
of someone's head, I believe.
1864
01:25:18,182 --> 01:25:20,667
The front part of it
is an actual prosthetic
1865
01:25:20,701 --> 01:25:22,289
that the actress
wore in her mouth
1866
01:25:22,324 --> 01:25:23,566
but then the actual tongue,
1867
01:25:23,601 --> 01:25:26,190
the long big tongue was
fabricated out of foam
1868
01:25:26,224 --> 01:25:28,053
and I put it on
the end of a pole
1869
01:25:28,088 --> 01:25:29,745
so it could be shoved
out the fake out
1870
01:25:29,779 --> 01:25:31,136
and through the back
of the guy's head.
1871
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,058
- I do remember when I wrote it
1872
01:25:33,093 --> 01:25:37,062
and then talking to
the director by phone,
1873
01:25:37,097 --> 01:25:38,754
who had not seen the first two,
1874
01:25:38,788 --> 01:25:41,446
and I could tell he had
no feel for the material,
1875
01:25:41,481 --> 01:25:43,103
he hadn't seen the first two.
1876
01:25:43,138 --> 01:25:45,416
He was gonna take this script,
1877
01:25:45,450 --> 01:25:47,521
which was a Night of
the Demons script,
1878
01:25:47,556 --> 01:25:50,214
which I went back and
read Joe's first two scripts,
1879
01:25:50,248 --> 01:25:53,872
Night of the Demons one
and copied the feeling
1880
01:25:53,907 --> 01:25:55,943
and the dialog and
the characters.
1881
01:25:55,978 --> 01:25:57,393
So it was like a
high school romp
1882
01:25:57,428 --> 01:26:00,189
with a lot of blood
and gore and nudity
1883
01:26:00,224 --> 01:26:04,055
and this guy was trying
to make The Exorcist
1884
01:26:04,089 --> 01:26:05,539
and it's like.
1885
01:26:05,574 --> 01:26:08,991
Some secrets
should never be learned.
1886
01:26:10,165 --> 01:26:13,823
Some borders should
never be crossed.
1887
01:26:14,755 --> 01:26:16,136
Some games.
1888
01:26:16,171 --> 01:26:17,310
- Are you here?
1889
01:26:17,344 --> 01:26:18,744
Should never be played.
1890
01:26:19,657 --> 01:26:21,383
Witchboard 2.
1891
01:26:21,417 --> 01:26:22,901
- What happened was
Republic Pictures
1892
01:26:22,936 --> 01:26:25,214
picked up to the rights
to the original Witchboard
1893
01:26:25,249 --> 01:26:27,768
and Night of the Demons
for video distribution
1894
01:26:27,803 --> 01:26:29,770
and they were both
such big hits for them
1895
01:26:29,805 --> 01:26:32,946
that they commissioned
that some company
1896
01:26:32,980 --> 01:26:36,225
to make two sequels
to Witchboard
1897
01:26:36,260 --> 01:26:38,296
and two sequels to
Night of the Demons.
1898
01:26:38,331 --> 01:26:40,402
So this was the first
time they didn't have
1899
01:26:40,436 --> 01:26:42,197
to go out and raise
the money themselves,
1900
01:26:42,231 --> 01:26:44,164
Republic gave them the money
1901
01:26:44,199 --> 01:26:48,720
and basically they
became producers for hire.
1902
01:26:48,755 --> 01:26:51,792
So they made two
Witchboard sequels
1903
01:26:51,827 --> 01:26:53,622
and two Night of
the Demon sequels
1904
01:26:53,656 --> 01:26:56,176
and Witchboard 2 was the first.
1905
01:26:56,211 --> 01:26:58,247
So they did come out
in some theaters,
1906
01:26:58,282 --> 01:27:00,836
like in very niche markets
1907
01:27:00,870 --> 01:27:03,494
but it never had
the wide release
1908
01:27:03,528 --> 01:27:05,772
that the original Witchboard
had had, obviously.
1909
01:27:05,806 --> 01:27:08,050
Limited to my hometown, I think.
1910
01:27:08,084 --> 01:27:10,570
No, that's the one
place it didn't play.
1911
01:27:39,115 --> 01:27:40,565
The guys who made Witchboard
1912
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:41,818
and Night of the
Demons got hired.
1913
01:27:41,842 --> 01:27:43,465
Now that they were
producers for hire,
1914
01:27:43,499 --> 01:27:45,097
they were getting hired
by other companies.
1915
01:27:45,121 --> 01:27:49,091
Trimark, because of their
success with Leprechaun,
1916
01:27:49,125 --> 01:27:51,438
wanted to do a Pinocchio film
1917
01:27:51,473 --> 01:27:53,820
and they had found a script
1918
01:27:53,854 --> 01:27:55,580
and they were gonna make it
1919
01:27:55,615 --> 01:27:58,928
and they were gonna make
it for like 1.5 million
1920
01:27:59,791 --> 01:28:01,044
but the guy who wrote the script
1921
01:28:01,068 --> 01:28:03,416
was a first time
writer slash director
1922
01:28:03,450 --> 01:28:06,211
and he was convinced
this thing was
1923
01:28:06,246 --> 01:28:08,075
the next Gone with the Wind
1924
01:28:08,110 --> 01:28:10,146
and he wouldn't agree to do it
1925
01:28:10,181 --> 01:28:13,046
if the budget was less
than three million.
1926
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,980
So I think it was
called Bad Pinocchio.
1927
01:28:16,014 --> 01:28:18,016
I don't remember
who the writer was,
1928
01:28:18,051 --> 01:28:22,573
I read it and, not a fan.
1929
01:28:22,607 --> 01:28:24,091
It was pretty silly
1930
01:28:24,126 --> 01:28:26,370
but I wasn't a big fan of
the Leprechaun films either.
1931
01:28:26,404 --> 01:28:29,683
I know that's sacrilege
to all you Leprechaun fans
1932
01:28:29,718 --> 01:28:32,341
out there and my brother did
do the score for two of them
1933
01:28:32,376 --> 01:28:36,518
but I'm not a big fan
of the Leprechaun films
1934
01:28:36,552 --> 01:28:39,348
and Trimark had asked me,
1935
01:28:39,383 --> 01:28:41,419
tried to get me to do part
two and then part three
1936
01:28:41,454 --> 01:28:42,731
and I turned them down.
1937
01:28:42,765 --> 01:28:44,457
So I think this was their way.
1938
01:28:45,354 --> 01:28:46,838
So when that fell through.
1939
01:28:46,873 --> 01:28:49,807
When the Bad Pinocchio
fell through,
1940
01:28:49,841 --> 01:28:51,809
these guys at Paragon were kind
1941
01:28:51,843 --> 01:28:53,638
of gonna be out of work now.
1942
01:28:53,673 --> 01:28:57,539
So they really quickly
said to Mark Amin,
1943
01:28:57,573 --> 01:28:59,206
"Well you know, this guy
doesn't own the rights
1944
01:28:59,230 --> 01:29:02,060
to Pinocchio, we
can't do his script
1945
01:29:02,095 --> 01:29:04,787
but we can still do a
killer Pinocchio film"
1946
01:29:04,822 --> 01:29:06,962
and Mark said,
"yeah but who would"
1947
01:29:06,996 --> 01:29:08,515
and they said, "what
if we get Kevin?"
1948
01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:10,655
and he was like,
"You'll never get Kevin
1949
01:29:10,690 --> 01:29:13,348
'cause he keeps turning
down the Leprechaun films."
1950
01:29:14,728 --> 01:29:18,491
So they came to me and I
said I would agree to do it
1951
01:29:18,525 --> 01:29:20,355
if it could be more like magic
1952
01:29:20,389 --> 01:29:22,598
and less like Child's Play.
1953
01:29:22,633 --> 01:29:24,704
'Cause I really didn't
want to do a Child's Play.
1954
01:29:24,738 --> 01:29:26,533
I'm not a big fan
of the big puppets.
1955
01:29:26,568 --> 01:29:27,672
As a matter of fact,
1956
01:29:27,707 --> 01:29:28,960
I would never had written
and directed Pinocchio
1957
01:29:28,984 --> 01:29:30,744
as a spec ever.
1958
01:29:30,779 --> 01:29:32,643
It was because it
was a work for hire.
1959
01:29:32,677 --> 01:29:35,784
But I said, I would
beinterested if I could do it more
1960
01:29:35,818 --> 01:29:37,061
it's a psychological thriller
1961
01:29:37,095 --> 01:29:38,752
and at the end you
don't really know
1962
01:29:38,787 --> 01:29:41,341
and they were like, oh,
they weren't crazy about that
1963
01:29:41,376 --> 01:29:42,791
and I said, Here's
what we'll do.
1964
01:29:42,825 --> 01:29:44,724
In the final scene she
gets hit in the head
1965
01:29:44,758 --> 01:29:46,864
and she sees the Pinocchio doll attack her
1966
01:29:46,898 --> 01:29:49,556
but then at the end, she
say well she had been hit
1967
01:29:49,591 --> 01:29:51,558
in the head, maybe
she imagined it
1968
01:29:51,593 --> 01:29:53,457
and it was really her
daughter attacking her.
1969
01:29:53,491 --> 01:29:56,460
That way, you still get
the attacking Pinocchio
1970
01:29:56,494 --> 01:30:00,878
for your trailer, but I still
get my ambiguous ending
1971
01:30:00,912 --> 01:30:02,914
and they wanted a killer puppet.
1972
01:30:02,949 --> 01:30:05,261
So that was the
compromise we made.
1973
01:30:05,296 --> 01:30:06,539
- I'm back.
1974
01:30:06,573 --> 01:30:09,058
- I barely remember
working in Leprechaun 2
1975
01:30:09,093 --> 01:30:12,096
and you know what, I've seen
Warwick Davis a few times,
1976
01:30:12,130 --> 01:30:13,615
and first of all,
1977
01:30:13,649 --> 01:30:17,722
it's wonderful, Ron
knew him from Willow
1978
01:30:17,757 --> 01:30:20,449
but the fact that he got
this horror franchise
1979
01:30:20,484 --> 01:30:25,281
as a little person,
limited casting options,
1980
01:30:25,316 --> 01:30:26,455
he cashed in.
1981
01:30:26,490 --> 01:30:31,046
That whole character
was a complete re shoot,
1982
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:33,531
that character didn't
exist in the first draft
1983
01:30:33,566 --> 01:30:37,397
of the script and I actually
auditioned for the movie
1984
01:30:37,432 --> 01:30:39,813
and didn't get a role.
1985
01:30:39,848 --> 01:30:41,263
The director, Tony Randel,
1986
01:30:41,297 --> 01:30:43,645
I never really
talked to him about,
1987
01:30:43,679 --> 01:30:45,267
but I never got the call
1988
01:30:45,301 --> 01:30:46,820
and Dad worked on it
1989
01:30:46,855 --> 01:30:51,238
and then I got a call from Tony
1990
01:30:51,273 --> 01:30:53,033
saying that they just
felt like they needed
1991
01:30:53,068 --> 01:30:55,484
some more horror, some more,
1992
01:30:55,519 --> 01:30:57,417
you know, what they needed.
1993
01:30:57,452 --> 01:30:59,488
It was too much standing
around and talking
1994
01:30:59,523 --> 01:31:01,801
and they invented my character,
1995
01:31:01,835 --> 01:31:04,597
which is hard for me to imagine
1996
01:31:04,631 --> 01:31:07,634
because it's such a central
character in the story,
1997
01:31:07,669 --> 01:31:09,705
but the idea is you
never really saw the ticks,
1998
01:31:09,740 --> 01:31:12,570
how they got steroid-ed up,
1999
01:31:12,605 --> 01:31:14,365
you know and so you meet me
2000
01:31:14,399 --> 01:31:15,746
and we shot all night
2001
01:31:15,780 --> 01:31:20,716
and it had to been 32
degrees out in Malibu,
2002
01:31:22,615 --> 01:31:24,133
'cause we were out
in Malibu canyon
2003
01:31:24,168 --> 01:31:26,998
and it was sure nice
to have that makeup on,
2004
01:31:27,033 --> 01:31:29,518
'cause it makes you a lot warmer
2005
01:31:29,553 --> 01:31:32,521
and I remember I'm infested,
2006
01:31:32,556 --> 01:31:35,179
because finally it was
kind of so late at night
2007
01:31:35,213 --> 01:31:37,457
and it was so crazy
that when it was time
2008
01:31:37,492 --> 01:31:39,286
to really go for it.
2009
01:31:39,321 --> 01:31:40,425
I'm infected!
2010
01:31:41,634 --> 01:31:44,015
Silent Night Deadly
Night Part Four was,
2011
01:31:44,050 --> 01:31:46,293
I thought was a really
good experience.
2012
01:31:46,328 --> 01:31:49,089
Brian Yuzna was an
old friend of mine
2013
01:31:49,124 --> 01:31:52,921
and we had worked together
partially in a few things
2014
01:31:52,955 --> 01:31:56,441
but he directs and he
was the guy that did
2015
01:31:56,476 --> 01:31:59,652
the Bride of Re-Animator,
the Re-Animator movies,
2016
01:31:59,686 --> 01:32:01,170
he produced them.
2017
01:32:01,205 --> 01:32:04,208
He was making this Silent
Night Deadly Night Part Four,
2018
01:32:04,242 --> 01:32:06,659
and it had nothing
to do with Christmas,
2019
01:32:06,693 --> 01:32:09,489
it had nothing to do with
Silent Night Deadly Night
2020
01:32:09,524 --> 01:32:11,491
Part Three, Brian didn't care
2021
01:32:11,526 --> 01:32:15,184
and there was a guy named
Screaming Mad George,
2022
01:32:15,219 --> 01:32:16,496
who did the special effects,
2023
01:32:16,531 --> 01:32:18,084
they were just a lot of gooey,
2024
01:32:18,118 --> 01:32:19,672
kind of slimy creatures
2025
01:32:19,706 --> 01:32:24,711
and I played, I
played a homeless guy
2026
01:32:26,092 --> 01:32:28,059
that was sort of the
henchman of these witches.
2027
01:32:28,094 --> 01:32:31,131
I went and got a 12-pack
and was drinking it.
2028
01:32:31,166 --> 01:32:32,408
I was playing a homeless guy.
2029
01:32:32,443 --> 01:32:34,859
I could afford to
have a little buzz
2030
01:32:34,894 --> 01:32:36,930
and I remember the
production manager
2031
01:32:36,965 --> 01:32:39,795
took away my 12-pack
after I had three or four
2032
01:32:39,830 --> 01:32:41,763
and that really pissed me off
2033
01:32:41,797 --> 01:32:43,592
and I went and bought
another 12-pack
2034
01:32:43,627 --> 01:32:44,835
the first break I had.
2035
01:32:44,869 --> 01:32:46,457
A bizarre event.
2036
01:32:46,491 --> 01:32:47,941
- This would make a great story.
2037
01:32:47,976 --> 01:32:51,807
For her, it was
the chance of a lifetime.
2038
01:32:51,842 --> 01:32:55,155
- I work for the LA Eye,
I'm an investigative reporter.
2039
01:32:55,190 --> 01:32:57,237
There's got to be some logical
explanation for the burning.
2040
01:32:57,261 --> 01:32:59,435
But some questions.
2041
01:32:59,470 --> 01:33:01,472
- Get away from
me, leave me alone.
2042
01:33:01,506 --> 01:33:03,578
Are better left unanswered.
2043
01:33:03,612 --> 01:33:06,373
- What happened,
are you all right?
2044
01:33:06,408 --> 01:33:07,651
The woman who jumped.
2045
01:33:07,685 --> 01:33:09,066
- She was my daughter.
2046
01:33:09,100 --> 01:33:11,516
But now you've come
to take her place.
2047
01:33:11,551 --> 01:33:13,104
- Make your fear real.
2048
01:33:13,139 --> 01:33:14,139
Get it out.
2049
01:33:15,348 --> 01:33:18,213
It's the night
you've been waiting for.
2050
01:33:18,247 --> 01:33:19,283
- Please help.
2051
01:33:19,317 --> 01:33:20,525
- Kill the man.
2052
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:22,597
Became a whole woman.
2053
01:33:24,081 --> 01:33:25,748
The night
you've been screaming for.
2054
01:33:25,772 --> 01:33:27,256
- It's the final step.
2055
01:33:27,291 --> 01:33:30,087
Silent Night Deadly Night 4.
2056
01:33:30,121 --> 01:33:31,536
Initiation.
2057
01:33:31,571 --> 01:33:32,399
- Clint was great.
2058
01:33:32,434 --> 01:33:33,918
He's really a good actor
2059
01:33:33,953 --> 01:33:37,059
and very easy going on the set.
2060
01:33:37,094 --> 01:33:40,787
So when the first Silent Night
Deadly Night movie came out
2061
01:33:41,719 --> 01:33:44,066
Santa Claus was the killer.
2062
01:33:44,101 --> 01:33:46,034
That's not right.
2063
01:33:46,068 --> 01:33:47,932
There are lines
that you don't cross
2064
01:33:47,967 --> 01:33:49,140
and that's one of them.
2065
01:33:49,175 --> 01:33:50,625
You don't make Santa
Clause a killer
2066
01:33:50,659 --> 01:33:54,663
and I vowed, you know,
all of like 29 years old,
2067
01:33:54,698 --> 01:33:57,562
well I'm never gonna do
a Santa Claus killer movie,
2068
01:33:57,597 --> 01:33:58,633
'cause that's not okay.
2069
01:33:58,667 --> 01:34:00,082
That is not okay.
2070
01:34:00,117 --> 01:34:01,394
You can't cross that line.
2071
01:34:01,428 --> 01:34:04,984
So, fast forward, you
know, a year later,
2072
01:34:05,018 --> 01:34:06,399
two, three years later.
2073
01:34:06,433 --> 01:34:07,745
I'm going in on this audition
2074
01:34:07,780 --> 01:34:10,472
and I've already done
a couple horror films
2075
01:34:11,853 --> 01:34:16,512
and I go in for this
movie called The Initiation.
2076
01:34:16,547 --> 01:34:19,584
Now very often, you
don't get to see the script,
2077
01:34:19,619 --> 01:34:21,345
you just get like three scenes.
2078
01:34:21,379 --> 01:34:24,175
So I do my scenes,
they call me back,
2079
01:34:24,210 --> 01:34:26,833
it goes well, I'm feeling great.
2080
01:34:26,868 --> 01:34:29,422
Go back again, get the part.
2081
01:34:29,456 --> 01:34:31,700
I'm meeting a buddy,
I'm on my way home,
2082
01:34:31,735 --> 01:34:33,460
my buddy's gonna
meet me at my house,
2083
01:34:33,495 --> 01:34:34,990
we're gonna head to a
party or something afterwards.
2084
01:34:35,014 --> 01:34:36,429
He's in the driveway.
2085
01:34:36,463 --> 01:34:39,294
He's like, "Hey,
Tommy how'd it go?
2086
01:34:39,328 --> 01:34:41,020
I go, I got the part.
2087
01:34:41,054 --> 01:34:42,238
He goes, "What was that again?"
2088
01:34:42,262 --> 01:34:44,264
I go, it's a movie
called The Initiation.
2089
01:34:44,299 --> 01:34:46,439
He's like, "Oh, right.
2090
01:34:46,473 --> 01:34:47,958
Silent Night Deadly
Night Part Four."
2091
01:34:47,992 --> 01:34:49,614
I go, no, no.
2092
01:34:49,649 --> 01:34:51,478
It's called The Initiation.
2093
01:34:51,513 --> 01:34:55,034
He's like, "No, Silent Night
Deadly Night Part Four,
2094
01:34:55,068 --> 01:34:56,000
The Initiation.
2095
01:34:56,035 --> 01:34:57,450
I'm like, no!
2096
01:34:57,484 --> 01:34:59,728
I said I would never do one.
2097
01:34:59,763 --> 01:35:01,592
When I read the script finally,
2098
01:35:01,626 --> 01:35:04,422
when they finally gave
me a script to read,
2099
01:35:04,457 --> 01:35:09,324
like the first page,
I am, my character
2100
01:35:09,358 --> 01:35:13,949
is having sex with this
woman up against the wall
2101
01:35:13,984 --> 01:35:16,331
in a seedy hotel
shot from behind
2102
01:35:16,365 --> 01:35:20,576
and I'm like, oh, oh.
2103
01:35:20,611 --> 01:35:22,440
Okay, wow.
2104
01:35:23,614 --> 01:35:27,549
My butt is gonna be
on film for eternity.
2105
01:35:28,999 --> 01:35:31,553
I'm gonna have the best
looking butt in the business
2106
01:35:31,587 --> 01:35:34,901
and so for the next, you
know, whatever it was.
2107
01:35:34,936 --> 01:35:36,420
I was already in
pretty good shape
2108
01:35:36,454 --> 01:35:39,630
but for the next few
weeks I'm just like,
2109
01:35:39,664 --> 01:35:42,322
doing butt exercises,
doing butt exercises
2110
01:35:42,357 --> 01:35:43,945
'cause my butts
gonna look awesome.
2111
01:35:43,979 --> 01:35:47,500
See the movie, they
didn't use that part.
2112
01:35:47,534 --> 01:35:49,053
I'm like, come on!
2113
01:35:49,088 --> 01:35:50,641
My butt looked great
2114
01:35:50,675 --> 01:35:52,781
and I didn't even
realize back that
2115
01:35:52,816 --> 01:35:57,372
that it had such a like
Hitchcockian thing about it
2116
01:35:57,406 --> 01:35:58,994
and it is really cool
2117
01:35:59,029 --> 01:36:03,136
and I found myself just
riveted just watching
2118
01:36:03,171 --> 01:36:05,035
Neith and what so goes through
2119
01:36:05,069 --> 01:36:07,589
and what's going on in her mind.
2120
01:36:07,623 --> 01:36:09,487
She always had stuff going on.
2121
01:36:09,522 --> 01:36:11,082
I mean there's not
like a lot of moments
2122
01:36:11,110 --> 01:36:14,389
on the screen where you
don't see the wheels just turning.
2123
01:36:14,423 --> 01:36:17,668
- There are no bad days
here at Wishing Well.
2124
01:36:17,702 --> 01:36:19,463
Only happy days.
2125
01:36:21,361 --> 01:36:22,707
- Open wide, Gregory.
2126
01:36:22,742 --> 01:36:24,330
It is a happy day,
2127
01:36:24,364 --> 01:36:27,643
now he's out, rehabilitated
with a brand new job.
2128
01:36:27,678 --> 01:36:29,059
- Here you go.
2129
01:36:29,093 --> 01:36:32,821
- I'd like to buy a
gallon of your hard pack.
2130
01:36:32,856 --> 01:36:36,100
- Next.
2131
01:36:36,135 --> 01:36:38,102
You didn't say please.
2132
01:36:38,137 --> 01:36:40,242
- Did you see little
Rodger Smith today?
2133
01:36:40,277 --> 01:36:41,692
- He was that park, why?
2134
01:36:42,762 --> 01:36:44,212
- We got a missing kid.
2135
01:36:44,246 --> 01:36:46,524
His ice cream
has a secret ingredient.
2136
01:36:46,559 --> 01:36:47,950
- What the hell is
that ice cream dork
2137
01:36:47,974 --> 01:36:49,631
doing out this late?
2138
01:36:49,665 --> 01:36:51,253
- What's your favorite flavor?
2139
01:36:51,288 --> 01:36:52,496
- Wow.
2140
01:36:52,530 --> 01:36:54,463
- Oh, he's so kind to
the little children.
2141
01:36:54,498 --> 01:36:56,017
- I brought you
something special.
2142
01:36:56,051 --> 01:36:58,364
- Oh, sounds yummy.
2143
01:37:00,021 --> 01:37:01,481
I know that you told me
beforeon the phone you didn't believe
2144
01:37:01,505 --> 01:37:02,678
I actually watched.
2145
01:37:02,713 --> 01:37:04,139
Is that your internal
attitude on it?
2146
01:37:04,163 --> 01:37:04,957
- Well, yeah.
2147
01:37:04,991 --> 01:37:06,924
I would have $50,
2148
01:37:06,959 --> 01:37:09,789
a $50 bounty, a prize,
2149
01:37:09,824 --> 01:37:11,860
if anybody can prove
to me that they just
2150
01:37:11,895 --> 01:37:13,355
would sit and watch it
just straight through,
2151
01:37:13,379 --> 01:37:16,831
like waste two hours of
their life watching the movie.
2152
01:37:16,865 --> 01:37:18,315
I'll give you $50.
2153
01:37:19,730 --> 01:37:22,077
I've never really had
anybody step up and do it.
2154
01:37:22,112 --> 01:37:24,355
They've talked about and
they say they've seen it
2155
01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:26,875
but to actually say,
no I'm gonna watch it
2156
01:37:26,910 --> 01:37:29,705
and you know I'll put it
on tape that I'm watching it,
2157
01:37:29,740 --> 01:37:30,810
you get $50.
2158
01:37:30,845 --> 01:37:32,225
I had a blast making it
2159
01:37:32,260 --> 01:37:35,332
and Norman and I are
really close friends,
2160
01:37:35,366 --> 01:37:36,540
the fellow that directed it
2161
01:37:36,574 --> 01:37:38,714
and it was an important part,
2162
01:37:38,749 --> 01:37:40,647
an important time in my life
2163
01:37:40,682 --> 01:37:42,580
and getting to play the lead
2164
01:37:42,615 --> 01:37:45,135
was something that, you know,
2165
01:37:45,169 --> 01:37:46,895
actors that's what
we strive for.
2166
01:37:46,930 --> 01:37:51,382
I mean all actors dream
of being the matinee idol,
2167
01:37:51,417 --> 01:37:53,074
and I wasn't gonna
be the matinee idol
2168
01:37:53,108 --> 01:37:54,903
but I, you know,
I want my sirloin.
2169
01:38:11,126 --> 01:38:13,888
Dr. Allen
Feinstone is back in business.
2170
01:38:13,922 --> 01:38:15,613
Just a small country practice.
2171
01:38:15,648 --> 01:38:17,374
Doing what he does best.
2172
01:38:17,408 --> 01:38:18,754
- Want to open wide?
2173
01:38:18,789 --> 01:38:20,318
He's practicing
under a new name.
2174
01:38:20,342 --> 01:38:22,758
- Jamie Devers,
Dr. Lawrence Caine.
2175
01:38:22,793 --> 01:38:23,967
- Hi.
2176
01:38:24,001 --> 01:38:25,692
- Larry's just moved
here to Paradise.
2177
01:38:25,727 --> 01:38:26,946
- I think I'm
gonna like it here.
2178
01:38:26,970 --> 01:38:28,154
And he's given his patience.
2179
01:38:28,178 --> 01:38:29,455
- Smile.
2180
01:38:29,489 --> 01:38:31,146
The care they deserve.
2181
01:38:31,181 --> 01:38:34,839
- I got a feeling he's gonna
be real good for this town.
2182
01:38:34,874 --> 01:38:36,151
- Whats wrong?
2183
01:38:36,186 --> 01:38:37,290
- A little toothache.
2184
01:38:37,325 --> 01:38:38,705
- May I look at it?
2185
01:38:38,740 --> 01:38:39,879
- Is it gonna hurt.
2186
01:38:39,914 --> 01:38:40,915
- Shouldn't.
2187
01:38:40,949 --> 01:38:42,502
- Dentist 2 is one of those ones
2188
01:38:42,537 --> 01:38:45,057
I'm really proud I got
that notch in my gun belt.
2189
01:38:45,091 --> 01:38:48,129
Corbin Bernsen,
Brian Yuzna again
2190
01:38:48,163 --> 01:38:50,372
and the wonderful
thing about working
2191
01:38:50,407 --> 01:38:51,580
for Brian back in the day
2192
01:38:51,615 --> 01:38:54,963
is, of course, you
get a little neurotic
2193
01:38:54,998 --> 01:38:56,447
when nobody gives you any notes.
2194
01:38:56,482 --> 01:38:57,690
It's like, how was I?
2195
01:38:57,724 --> 01:38:58,898
Did it work?
2196
01:38:58,933 --> 01:39:01,556
Does the scene work,
too intense or whatever?
2197
01:39:01,590 --> 01:39:03,351
And Brian, very early on said,
2198
01:39:03,385 --> 01:39:06,216
"You know, I'm not an actor.
2199
01:39:06,250 --> 01:39:07,503
You're a lot better
actor than I am.
2200
01:39:07,527 --> 01:39:09,322
I'm gonna leave the
acting choices to you
2201
01:39:09,357 --> 01:39:11,946
and let me just do
the, handle the shots."
2202
01:39:11,980 --> 01:39:15,328
So, by the time
we did Dentist 2,
2203
01:39:15,363 --> 01:39:17,330
I mean listen, Corbin
and I just were chewing
2204
01:39:17,365 --> 01:39:20,747
on the scenery, we
had fun, we staged it.
2205
01:39:20,782 --> 01:39:22,128
The fake needle in the ear
2206
01:39:24,096 --> 01:39:26,581
and I still, if I
had a product really,
2207
01:39:26,615 --> 01:39:27,892
it would be on it.
2208
01:39:27,927 --> 01:39:30,585
It, 'cause I just feel like
2209
01:39:30,619 --> 01:39:32,138
that that's one of those ones,
2210
01:39:33,726 --> 01:39:36,832
yeah, listen, look at the
way Corbin was playing it
2211
01:39:36,867 --> 01:39:38,973
and the way, you
know Mr. Toothache
2212
01:39:39,007 --> 01:39:40,491
was my character's name
2213
01:39:40,526 --> 01:39:43,701
and that insert shot
of the pus was just
2214
01:39:43,736 --> 01:39:47,912
so ridiculously grotesquely bad, it's good.
2215
01:39:47,947 --> 01:39:52,952
It just summarizes that
movie, that era, that time.
2216
01:39:53,677 --> 01:39:55,161
- 90s horror is great
2217
01:39:55,196 --> 01:39:57,139
and a lot of that came from
the direct to video movies.
2218
01:39:57,163 --> 01:39:58,440
I mean, Dr. Giggles.
2219
01:39:58,475 --> 01:40:02,272
- Return of the Living
Dead III, Mindy Clarke.
2220
01:40:03,480 --> 01:40:04,480
- Let's proceed.
2221
01:40:05,654 --> 01:40:07,035
- Don't worry,
they can't see us.
2222
01:40:07,070 --> 01:40:10,521
Beyond the laws of nature.
2223
01:40:10,556 --> 01:40:11,453
- We've got something.
2224
01:40:11,488 --> 01:40:13,559
- They came back to life.
2225
01:40:13,593 --> 01:40:15,733
Beyond the limits of love.
2226
01:40:18,909 --> 01:40:20,083
- Julie.
2227
01:40:20,117 --> 01:40:22,464
Beyond the silence of death.
2228
01:40:24,225 --> 01:40:25,916
She has returned
2229
01:40:25,950 --> 01:40:28,953
to take you on a joy
ride through hell.
2230
01:40:34,097 --> 01:40:36,099
- She's dead, isn't she?
2231
01:40:42,726 --> 01:40:46,005
- If she attacks him,
he becomes like her.
2232
01:40:47,317 --> 01:40:48,317
- No!
2233
01:40:50,492 --> 01:40:54,151
- She was the most bad ass cool,
2234
01:40:54,186 --> 01:40:57,396
like she kind of
reminded me of a bit
2235
01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:59,294
of a Angela in
Night of the Demons,
2236
01:40:59,329 --> 01:41:01,917
Amelia Kinkade, kind
of just cool and sexy
2237
01:41:01,952 --> 01:41:03,367
and badass and then its like,
2238
01:41:03,402 --> 01:41:05,507
when she had to start
shoving glass into her face
2239
01:41:05,542 --> 01:41:06,819
and needles into her fingers,
2240
01:41:06,853 --> 01:41:08,234
you're like holy shit!
2241
01:41:08,269 --> 01:41:10,857
This chick is crazy
and she's cool
2242
01:41:10,892 --> 01:41:12,307
and she's still sexy.
2243
01:41:12,342 --> 01:41:15,138
I think kind of with
like the death of DVD
2244
01:41:15,172 --> 01:41:16,691
and like video store movies
2245
01:41:16,725 --> 01:41:19,659
may have been like the
death of the scream queen.
2246
01:41:20,867 --> 01:41:24,112
Just because like the
genres much bigger now
2247
01:41:24,147 --> 01:41:26,735
but you don't have that thing.
2248
01:41:26,770 --> 01:41:27,988
Like you're not going to Netflix
2249
01:41:28,012 --> 01:41:31,119
just to search for a
Tiffany movie anymore,
2250
01:41:31,154 --> 01:41:32,534
or so and so.
2251
01:41:32,569 --> 01:41:34,857
Like where you used to go to
Blockbuster and you'd like go, oh
2252
01:41:34,881 --> 01:41:36,307
oh my god, look at
this, she's in this one
2253
01:41:36,331 --> 01:41:37,791
and she's in this one
and she's in this one
2254
01:41:37,815 --> 01:41:39,196
and like those were the things
2255
01:41:39,231 --> 01:41:41,716
that you had much
smaller pool to chose from.
2256
01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:44,443
So obviously people like
me you get elevated more.
2257
01:41:44,477 --> 01:41:47,031
Now there's like billions
of movies on Netflix
2258
01:41:47,066 --> 01:41:48,481
and billions of movies on Hulu
2259
01:41:48,516 --> 01:41:50,287
and it's like you don't haveenough
time to watch everything
2260
01:41:50,311 --> 01:41:55,316
so I don't know if the term
really still exists as much.
2261
01:41:56,524 --> 01:41:58,457
- All those years when
I was making the films
2262
01:41:58,491 --> 01:41:59,527
in the 80s and 90s.
2263
01:41:59,561 --> 01:42:04,083
I had no idea the, the breadth,
2264
01:42:05,188 --> 01:42:06,396
I don't know the word,
2265
01:42:06,430 --> 01:42:10,331
of where these films
were going of the people
2266
01:42:10,365 --> 01:42:11,608
seeing the films.
2267
01:42:11,642 --> 01:42:14,921
I had no idea that these
films were being seen
2268
01:42:14,956 --> 01:42:17,821
across the country and
there was all these people
2269
01:42:17,855 --> 01:42:19,892
who love these films.
2270
01:42:19,926 --> 01:42:22,032
- I have to tell
my fans, thank you
2271
01:42:22,066 --> 01:42:24,172
thank you for everything
for all these years
2272
01:42:24,207 --> 01:42:26,381
of honoring me as a scream queen
2273
01:42:26,416 --> 01:42:28,901
and watching me as
a horror actress,
2274
01:42:28,935 --> 01:42:30,868
I couldn't have
done it without you.
2275
01:42:30,903 --> 01:42:34,355
- I love talking to you
guys on social media
2276
01:42:34,389 --> 01:42:35,608
and I look forward to seeing you
2277
01:42:35,632 --> 01:42:37,530
at the conventions
and stuff like that
2278
01:42:38,635 --> 01:42:40,671
and I wouldn't do anything,
2279
01:42:40,706 --> 01:42:42,604
couldn't be able to do anything
2280
01:42:42,639 --> 01:42:44,054
that I love to do without you.
2281
01:42:44,088 --> 01:42:46,574
So thank you very
much, I love you.
2282
01:42:46,608 --> 01:42:48,023
- That was my childhood
2283
01:42:48,058 --> 01:42:50,543
and that was some of the
best years of my life,
2284
01:42:50,578 --> 01:42:52,890
discovering all those movies.
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