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NARRATOR:
We're in the midst
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of a chronic illness epidemic.
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Sicknesses like cancer,
heart disease and diabetes
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are sweeping the world.
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There's a one-in-two chance
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you'll end up with
a chronic illness.
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It's likely you know someone or
you are someone who is sick.
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Diseases our grandparents
have never heard of
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are becoming common.
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Mental illness.
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Autoimmune disease.
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Metabolic syndrome.
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These are modern sicknesses.
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They're not infectious,
but they are spreading fast.
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I think we've been seeing a
stress epidemic in our society
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for decades now,
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and it seems to be
only accelerating
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as the pace of modern life
is increasing.
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It was always obvious
to the ancient wisdom traditions
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that mind and body
were interconnected.
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But somewhere along the line
we sort of created a dichotomy
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as if they were separate.
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We came to believe
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that everything could be cured
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by drugs and surgeries,
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whereas, to this day,
they can't.
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When we talk about much of
mind-body phenomena,
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we're talking about
the non-physical mind
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affecting the physical body.
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That's not allowed for
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in the Western
scientific paradigm.
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And we now understand
these concepts
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that were rejected
by academic medicine.
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So, this is something
that actually has
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enormous implications.
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Modern science has shown us
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that the mind has the power
to heal.
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We should use that capacity.
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I was 24 when I got my first
break in journalism.
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My life became focused
on deadlines
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and chasing stories
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that took me away from
my family and friends.
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Then everything changed.
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I was diagnosed with
an autoimmune disease.
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One doctor warned
I could end up in a wheelchair
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or with organ failure.
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Over the next six years
I spent $30,000
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on numerous specialist doctors,
constant tests,
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drugs and alternative
therapies.
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I was flat with fatigue
and riddled with arthritis.
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No-one could tell me
why my immune system
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was attacking my own body.
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But there was one thing
I did know.
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The more I was stressed,
the worse I felt.
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I knew there had to be
a connection.
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On my journey
to getting better
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I travelled the world
to find answers,
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meeting some of
the leading experts
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at the frontier of science,
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and tracking down people
with remarkable stories of
recovery.
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This is the film I wanted
to see when I got sick.
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In the older days
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there was no separation
of mind and body.
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In fact, throughout the world,
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many cultures
have never separated them -
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in the East, for example.
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But our scientific approaches
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were so awesome
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that they overwhelmed
any mind-body approaches
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or any mind-body potentials.
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In Western science, unless
you see it, it isn't real.
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Unless you can measure it,
it isn't real.
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And that's what allowed
the huge advances
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in modern medicine and science -
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the ability to do
these amazing things
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that we can do with cures today.
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And we now understand
these concepts
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that were rejected
by academic medicine
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because we didn't
understand them.
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We understand them now
in the language of science.
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And now where we're at
is we can take these principles
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and apply them to clinical care,
to the next phase,
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the next new frontier,
which is integrative medicine.
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The body is always responding
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to whatever the mind
tells it to do.
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So when the mind's tense,
the body's tense.
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When the mind's happy,
the body's happy.
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So the body
is always responding,
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not just in ways in terms of
our physical tensions,
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like the tensions
of the muscles,
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but even right down to
the very core of our souls,
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even what's happening
in the level of our DNA.
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And what's really
been interesting
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in the last five, 10 years
is really understanding
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that it really is
a lot of two-way connections.
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And there's a lot of molecules
that we always have thought of
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as just in the body,
and we're recognising
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that they actually also
play roles in the brain,
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and that the brain
can also influence the body
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at even a very cellular level.
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All these terms, I think,
are approaching the same idea,
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that the mind is not separate
from the body.
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In fact, my belief
is that the only way
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you can really separate
mind and body is verbally -
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that they're two aspects of
the same underlying reality,
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or two poles of the same thing.
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Here's what we know about the
mind-body connection.
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You may be familiar
with the idea
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that your brain is like
a central message centre,
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sending and receiving
electrical and chemical
signals
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all over your body.
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And now scientists
are starting to understand
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that the communication
between your brain and body
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is far more significant
than they once realised.
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For example,
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over 60 neurotransmitter
and hormonal receptors
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have been found on the surface
of immune cells
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designed for fighting disease.
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Your brain
has a direct connection
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to your body's first line
of defence,
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and those cells can talk back.
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In another major breakthrough,
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scientists have discovered
around 80 million neurons
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in your gut.
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They're calling it
the second brain
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because while it talks
to the brain
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it can also act
completely independently
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and influence behaviour.
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So rather than there being
a mind in your head,
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it's more like your mind
is all through your body.
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But the easiest way
to understand
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how your mind affects
your health
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is by looking at stress.
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So if we think that we're...
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Imagine ourselves walking
through a jungle,
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and out comes a tiger,
and it's a very hungry tiger.
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We activate
the fight-or-flight response.
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We've got to fight with
the tiger or we've got to fly,
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get out of danger really fast.
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So if we think about
this stress
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or fight-or-flight response
as an activation response,
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like a turbo charge of energy,
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the body going into a different
gear, then it makes sense.
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So the heart rate,
the blood pressure,
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the blood vessels to the muscles
open up
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to get all of this extra fuel,
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sugars and fats are pumping
into the bloodstream,
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the respiratory drive
kicks in in the brain.
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We start to sweat to keep
ourselves cool
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while we're exerting ourselves.
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Our blood gets thick and sticky
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and will clot faster
than normal,
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and the body pumps out
inflammatory chemicals
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to activate our immune cells
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and to start mobilising
for tissue repair.
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The attention centre
in the brain
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lights up like a Christmas tree.
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This is a major physiological,
neurological,
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immunological,
metabolic change in our system.
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And it's designed to help us
to adapt
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to a clearly perceived
present-moment threat
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in the environment.
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And it's the kind of thing
that's there to save our life,
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not to make us sick.
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Unfortunately, 99% of the tigers
we're running from
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are the ones that are actually
in our minds,
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not the ones
that are really there.
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And when we do that over
the long term,
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it produces an effect that's
called allostatic load.
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It's a physiological
wear and tear
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that we place on our system.
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It's like getting the car
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and just absolutely
flogging it like crazy.
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And if you asked your mechanic,
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are your repair bills
going to go up?
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He'd say, "If you drive
your car like that,
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"your repair bills will go up
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"and your parts
will wear out faster."
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It's pretty much like that
with our bodies.
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My name's Craig Duncan.
I'm from Sydney, Australia.
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I'm a nonsmoker, nondrinker.
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I'm active and exercise
most days of the week,
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and have for a long period
of time.
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I'm a vegetarian as well.
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I was working for a professional
soccer team,
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in charge of the sports science.
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I was under enormous stress,
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and I had been for
a long, long time.
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A lot of it's self-imposed -
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just rushing around
at a million miles an hour.
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I was frustrated and unhappy
in what I was doing,
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and that was difficult.
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I was struggling to sleep,
or sleep well.
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And I just...
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Even though I might be
healthy on the outside,
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exercising and that,
it all became too much.
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I was at the gym
and I was lifting weights,
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and at the time I didn't know
anything had really gone amiss.
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It wasn't till that afternoon
that I went for a run
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and got chest pain.
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And again, didn't think
too much of it.
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But in the next couple of days
I continued to try and run,
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and the chest pain
got more and more,
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and pain down my arm
and in the jaw -
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the classical
heart attack symptoms.
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And that's when I realised
that I had a real problem.
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When I went into emergency,
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even though the emergency ward
was packed,
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they took me straight in.
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And when they did some tests,
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it was obvious that I'd had
a heart attack.
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I had a spontaneous coronary
artery dissection,
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and when I looked up
the literature,
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there had only been
150 cases reported,
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and most people die.
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And that's...that's frightening.
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I had no risk factors.
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My cholesterol was normal and
my blood pressure was normal.
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I'd recently had an ECG.
That was OK.
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Never had chest pain.
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Didn't have any family history
of heart disease.
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But yeah,
I was under a lot of stress,
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and I think that contributed.
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There's no doubt about that.
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If I let my stress and my
emotions get out of control
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and am not in control
of my life,
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there's no doubt
it could happen again.
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And I really am not ready
to not be here.
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CRAIG HASSED: If you help a
person to manage stress better
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then you significantly
reduce the risk
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of a person having further
cardiac events
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in the progression
of heart disease.
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These are all
reversible effects
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if we learn how to recognise
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the inappropriate activation
of that response
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and learn to switch it off
when it's not actually required.
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Then these effects
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will start to reverse themselves
right through the body,
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and interestingly
in the brain as well.
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HERBERT BENSON: And I think
the major breakthrough
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was recognising
that the body has a capacity
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opposite to the stress response.
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That's what we've called
the relaxation response.
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We did an experiment
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in which we took people
who meditated,
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and we found there were dramatic
physiologic changes.
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And the essence
of those changes
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are a decreased metabolism
in the body,
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a quieting of the body.
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There's decreased heart rate,
decreased rate of breathing,
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slower brain waves.
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So here was a reaction
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exactly opposite
to the stress response.
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This now was science.
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Here was something
measurable, predictable
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and reproducible.
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CRAIG DUNCAN: If you do not
have your mind
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in some sort of balance
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it doesn't matter
how healthy your body is.
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I really had to use
breathing techniques
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and different forms of
meditation that have helped me
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to just stay calm.
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That's it.
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But I suppose
the overriding thing
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that's helped me to stay healthy
and to decrease the stress,
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I have to pray regularly.
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If I'm praying, for me,
it brings a calmness.
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It centres me.
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HERBERT BENSON:
The two basic features
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of evoking
the relaxation response
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are repetition
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and the disregard of other
thoughts when they come to mind.
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And what those two things do
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is break the train
of everyday thinking.
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And often that everyday thinking
is what's stressful.
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It's not a real sabre-tooth
tiger in front of you.
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It's your fear
of losing your job,
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it's your fear of illness
or what have you.
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Then we return to
the literatures of the world
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to see whether these two steps
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that are breaking the train
of everyday thinking
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had been described before.
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And every single culture
of humankind
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that had a history
had these two steps.
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There's a commonality.
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So if a person argues,
"My technique, my religion,
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"is better for bringing
this forth than another,"
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it's foolish, because
it's a bodily response.
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Just as there are scores of
techniques that are stressful -
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same fight-or-flight response -
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so there are scores
of approaches
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that evoke
the relaxation response.
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One way scientists teach people
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to evoke
the relaxation response
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is to train people to meditate
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by focusing their attention
on just one thing.
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With practice
they become inwardly aware
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and focused on
the present moment.
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And now, with the development
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of modern brain imaging
technology,
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researchers are starting
to understand
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the biological mechanisms
underpinning the practice.
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While to an outsider
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it looks like a person
meditating isn't doing much,
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it turns out there's a lot
happening in their brain.
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The really wonderful thing
about MRI
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is that it lets us look
at the human brain
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in a way
that we couldn't before.
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Most of the work that we've done
centres on how meditation
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can change the actual structure
of the brain.
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So the research shows that
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a part of the brain called
the amygdala gets turned down.
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And the amygdala is important
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for the fight-or-flight
response.
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So when you see
something scary,
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for instance, if you're walking
in the woods
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and you suddenly see a snake
out of the corner of your eye,
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your amygdala's going to alert
you and say,
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"Oh!" and make you jump.
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And that part of the brain
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seems to get quieter
as you meditate.
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And so this is consistent with
a sense of decreased arousal
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and greater feelings of peace.
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Brain imaging technology
is relatively new
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in the context
of scientific discovery,
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and it's early days
for mind-body research.
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But Dr Sara Lazar's Harvard
study on meditating people
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has interesting parallels with
studies recently done on mice
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at the National Centre
for Biological Sciences.
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Researchers took normal mice
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and stressed them out
for two hours a day.
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When they measured their brains
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they found the amygdala
got bigger.
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After 10 days,
they left the mice alone,
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but two weeks later
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they observed they were still
acting anxiously.
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They measured
their brains again,
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and although their stressors
had been removed,
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they found the mice's amygdala
were still large.
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This is the opposite
of what we're seeing
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with people who meditate.
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Their life is exactly the same
as it's always been.
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So they still have
a stressful job,
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all the difficult people in life
are still being difficult,
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but their amygdala
has gotten smaller
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and they're reporting
less stress.
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So it shows in both cases
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that it's not so much
the environment
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but your reaction
to the environment,
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and how you're relating
to the events
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and the people in your life.
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And so it's not about
changing your life,
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it's about changing your
relationship to your life.
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My name is Jason Wachob.
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I live here in Brooklyn,
New York.
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My back pain probably started
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in 1996,
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when I was playing basketball
at Columbia.
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After I paid off the mountain of
college debt that I accrued,
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I got into start-ups.
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I love being an entrepreneur
and I love start-ups,
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but there's also the pressure
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that you're constantly
trying to grow,
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and you're never growing
fast enough.
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And you're trying
to raise capital
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and you're trying to make money
and you have investors
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and you're trying to
pick up business.
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And it's a frenetic pace,
and that can be stressful.
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I think I internalise stress.
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At least, that's what
my wife says.
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So I'm not a yeller
or a screamer.
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People think I'm very
even-keeled,
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which I think I am,
but I think I internalise it.
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I think most...a lot of people
internalise stress,
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and stress manifests itself.
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And I think one of the ways
it manifested itself for me,
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at this time of my life,
was through my back.
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I would wake up without pain,
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and as soon as I got out of the
bed, within five or ten minutes,
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I would have shooting pain.
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I could not walk
more than a block
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without keeling over in pain.
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It started to wear me down,
I think.
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And then you're stressed
about the pain,
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so it's kind of a vicious cycle
that you catch yourself in.
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I went to see two different
doctors, specialists,
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and both of them told me
I needed back surgery.
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However,
the second doctor said,
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"You may want to practise yoga.
That may help."
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He said...
It was like an afterthought.
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So as a last-ditch effort,
I started to practise yoga.
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The work that I do
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revolves around the clinic that
I started 34 years ago now
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called the Mindfulness-Based
Stress Reduction Clinic,
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or MBSR.
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I was having lunch with a bunch
of dermatologists,
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and they were talking about
some of their patients
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giving up on their treatments
in the dermatology clinic,
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particularly patients
with the skin disease psoriasis.
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And the treatment for it
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was a course of ultraviolet
light therapy.
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We did a small randomised trial
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that compared people just
getting the light treatment
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with people meditating
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while they were getting
the light treatment
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and it turned out the
meditators' skin cleared
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at about four times the rate
of the non-meditators.
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And I didn't believe it.
It was such a powerful finding.
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So we replicated it
and tried to make
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a little bit more
rigorous study design,
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and lo and behold, again
the meditators were healing
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four times as fast
as the non-meditators.
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And it is a beautiful example
of the mind-body connection,
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because you're doing something
with your mind
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and something is happening
in the skin.
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So it just doesn't get
any better than that.
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I think yoga is the perfect
blend of mental and physical
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if you're doing it right.
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You're moving, and you're really
paying attention to your breath.
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And for me that's just magical
because yoga turns into
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meditation in motion,
essentially.
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I basically twice a day,
every day,
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for about 15 or 20 minutes
in the morning and the evening
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I would do these four or five
poses religiously every day.
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Like, I would just find a spot,
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and maybe do a third time
or a fourth time,
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do what I needed to do.
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And it just started to work.
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After a week
I started to feel better,
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and after three or four weeks
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I could literally start to feel
my spine sort of move
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and work itself out.
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And then I started to
take classes,
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and, you know, there's a great
instructor here, Tara Stiles,
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who I started to go
to her class,
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and she helped me, like,
take it to another level.
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And the back pain's gone
and it hasn't come back.
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Through practising with them,
everything went away,
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and to me it's just...
it's just magical.
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Like, I am sold on yoga
and its healing power.
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JON KABAT-ZINN: I mean, that's
one of the beauties of yoga.
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You get down on the floor
and start working with your body
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in a kind of a way,
systematically,
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over a period of time,
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and it's, like,
you feel so good.
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It's like
you didn't even realise.
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And it's not like callisthenics
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and it's not like, you know,
intense aerobic activity,
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although it could be.
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But there's just this sense of,
again, integration,
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that you are at one
with your body,
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and isn't it amazing
what it actually does?
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So a question
I frequently get is,
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"Well, you know, meditation or
yoga, it's about attention.
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"But what about other activities
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"that require
a lot of attention?"
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So, for instance,
like rock climbing
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or playing
a musical instrument.
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When we look at brain activity
during meditation,
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we find that many parts
of the brain
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actually get turned off
during meditation.
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Some areas are more active,
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but mostly there's a lot of
turning off.
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The focus is really inward.
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So when you're running,
people are wearing headphones,
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you know, or they zone out.
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Whereas with the yoga
and the meditation
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you're really paying attention
very closely
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to what's going on inside,
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and you really get
really in tune
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with your body
and with your mind.
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You really notice things
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that you didn't even notice
were there before.
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The deep structure
of these meditative -
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and I would include yogic -
practices,
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they've been around
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for thousands and thousands
of years.
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It's not the next fad.
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If they have value, they've had
value for a very long time.
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That's why they've survived.
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And they really have to do with
how we live our lives.
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So it's not like, "Oh, something
else should come along
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"that will make this
irrelevant."
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This is about as relevant
as you can get,
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as long as the breath is moving
in and out of your body.
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I think it's vital
that people understand
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the power
of the mind-body reaction.
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And it's best understood by most
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by recognising
you have within yourself
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a capacity that's opposite
to the stress response.
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And to the extent that stress
is causing any disorder,
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be it the brain, the body,
the liver, what have you,
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to that extent, by reversing
stress's activity
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through the relaxation response,
you can treat that.
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Does that mean you give up drugs
or surgeries?
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Of course not.
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But you've got to bring this in
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to that same level
of respectability,
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because now
we're scientifically proven.
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When you think about
your emotions,
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you may notice you don't
feel them in your brain.
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You feel them in your body.
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Your face may flush.
Your heart may race.
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Your stomach may flutter.
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These feelings are a result of
chemicals and hormones
released
506
00:26:11,918 --> 00:26:15,269
when your brain is in a certain
emotional state.
507
00:26:15,312 --> 00:26:18,968
And now some researchers are
starting to link these states
508
00:26:19,012 --> 00:26:20,883
to health outcomes.
509
00:26:20,927 --> 00:26:22,537
We know happy people
510
00:26:22,581 --> 00:26:24,539
live up to 10 years longer
511
00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:26,193
than unhappy people.
512
00:26:26,236 --> 00:26:27,673
If you're optimistic,
513
00:26:27,716 --> 00:26:29,326
You have about half the risk
514
00:26:29,370 --> 00:26:30,806
of getting heart disease
515
00:26:30,850 --> 00:26:33,026
than if you're
more pessimistic.
516
00:26:33,069 --> 00:26:35,681
In one landmark study
of 2,000 middle-aged men
517
00:26:35,724 --> 00:26:39,336
who worked at the Western
Electric Company in the 1950s,
518
00:26:39,380 --> 00:26:41,164
those who had been
emotionally depressed
519
00:26:41,208 --> 00:26:42,992
at the start of the study
520
00:26:43,036 --> 00:26:46,126
were twice as likely
to have died from cancer
521
00:26:46,169 --> 00:26:48,084
20 years later.
522
00:26:48,128 --> 00:26:51,087
While you might be thinking
this is explained
523
00:26:51,131 --> 00:26:53,220
by happier people
being more inclined
524
00:26:53,263 --> 00:26:55,178
to make healthier life choices,
525
00:26:55,222 --> 00:26:58,878
this research made allowances
for smoking habits,
526
00:26:58,921 --> 00:27:02,316
alcohol intake,
weight and cholesterol.
527
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,318
Even age, job status
528
00:27:04,361 --> 00:27:06,581
and family history of cancer
529
00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:08,365
were factored into the results.
530
00:27:08,409 --> 00:27:10,585
Findings like this
531
00:27:10,629 --> 00:27:13,196
are demonstrated
in thousands of studies
532
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,112
published in peer-reviewed
academic journals.
533
00:27:20,029 --> 00:27:22,423
My name's Ann Salerno.
534
00:27:22,466 --> 00:27:25,165
I'm a paediatric nephrologist,
which is a physician
535
00:27:25,208 --> 00:27:27,558
who takes care of children
with kidney disease,
536
00:27:27,602 --> 00:27:31,475
and I live in Hopkinton,
Massachusetts.
537
00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:36,872
I was married at 33 years old,
and about a year later
538
00:27:36,916 --> 00:27:40,484
we actively started trying
to have children.
539
00:27:40,528 --> 00:27:42,356
And after a year of trying,
540
00:27:42,399 --> 00:27:46,403
really felt like there
was some barrier
541
00:27:46,447 --> 00:27:50,625
and that we should look into
going to a fertility specialist.
542
00:27:52,148 --> 00:27:54,063
All my testing was normal.
543
00:27:54,107 --> 00:27:56,370
All the signals were happening
at the right time,
544
00:27:56,413 --> 00:27:59,286
and still nothing happened.
545
00:27:59,329 --> 00:28:01,767
About a year into my journey,
546
00:28:01,810 --> 00:28:05,901
one of our chickens was killed
by a coyote in the backyard,
547
00:28:05,945 --> 00:28:09,339
and the other four chickens
stopped laying eggs.
548
00:28:09,383 --> 00:28:13,169
It was really
just a wake-up call that...
549
00:28:13,213 --> 00:28:17,173
Look at this simple animal model
of a chicken,
550
00:28:17,217 --> 00:28:22,352
and how them feeling that there
was danger and feeling stressed
551
00:28:22,396 --> 00:28:26,574
had affected their fertility
and their ability to ovulate.
552
00:28:28,445 --> 00:28:32,232
The doctors that I had been to
had not really attended to
553
00:28:32,275 --> 00:28:36,453
how this infertility treatment
and journey
554
00:28:36,497 --> 00:28:39,630
had been affecting me
emotionally.
555
00:28:39,674 --> 00:28:41,415
I didn't realise
it was happening,
556
00:28:41,458 --> 00:28:43,504
but I started feeling more
and more depressed.
557
00:28:53,122 --> 00:28:54,776
WOMAN:
Women with infertility
558
00:28:54,820 --> 00:28:56,735
become very depressed
and very anxious.
559
00:28:56,778 --> 00:28:58,824
And we actually
published a paper
560
00:28:58,867 --> 00:29:01,000
that showed that women
with infertility
561
00:29:01,043 --> 00:29:03,742
were twice as depressed as
women who were fertile.
562
00:29:03,785 --> 00:29:07,049
So depression is really common
in the infertile population.
563
00:29:07,093 --> 00:29:09,182
You know, you throw away
the birth control,
564
00:29:09,225 --> 00:29:11,358
you try for a few months,
you don't get pregnant,
565
00:29:11,401 --> 00:29:13,360
you start to get anxious
and depressed about it.
566
00:29:13,403 --> 00:29:14,970
So even if the physical problem
567
00:29:15,014 --> 00:29:16,842
that caused the infertility
at the beginning
568
00:29:16,885 --> 00:29:18,626
goes away or gets treated,
569
00:29:18,669 --> 00:29:21,760
the angst about not getting
pregnant can then kick in
570
00:29:21,803 --> 00:29:23,892
and independently contribute
to the infertility.
571
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,203
CRAIG HASSED: Emotions have
a profound effect on the body,
572
00:29:30,246 --> 00:29:31,900
for better or for worse.
573
00:29:31,944 --> 00:29:34,511
We shouldn't be one-dimensional
about emotion,
574
00:29:34,555 --> 00:29:36,731
thinking there's only one
positive emotion,
575
00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:38,777
and that's smiling and laughing,
576
00:29:38,820 --> 00:29:41,823
and if we're doing anything
else, like feeling sad,
577
00:29:41,867 --> 00:29:43,694
then that's a negative emotion.
578
00:29:43,738 --> 00:29:45,522
We do have, like a piano,
if you like...
579
00:29:45,566 --> 00:29:47,307
We've got a whole lot
of octaves.
580
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:49,700
We've got a whole range
of emotions.
581
00:29:49,744 --> 00:29:51,615
And so there might be times
582
00:29:51,659 --> 00:29:53,704
when it's quite appropriate
to feel sad,
583
00:29:53,748 --> 00:29:55,315
and if we express that sadness
584
00:29:55,358 --> 00:29:57,143
in a way that we feel
comfortable with
585
00:29:57,186 --> 00:29:58,840
then that's not
a negative emotion,
586
00:29:58,884 --> 00:30:00,494
that's a natural human emotion.
587
00:30:00,537 --> 00:30:03,453
It's really when the emotions,
what's on the inside,
588
00:30:03,497 --> 00:30:05,760
gets out of step
with what's on the outside,
589
00:30:05,804 --> 00:30:07,414
and then we start to
wrestle with emotions,
590
00:30:07,457 --> 00:30:09,851
we start to wallow in emotions.
591
00:30:09,895 --> 00:30:13,159
We get caught up in negativity,
caught up in self-criticism,
592
00:30:13,202 --> 00:30:14,856
caught up in anger,
593
00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:18,773
so that it lasts and lasts
way after its use-by date.
594
00:30:18,817 --> 00:30:21,820
And that has a long-term and
cumulative effect on the body
595
00:30:21,863 --> 00:30:23,517
that's not particularly healthy.
596
00:30:25,214 --> 00:30:27,695
MAN: It's a sobering thought,
but it's true.
597
00:30:27,738 --> 00:30:29,262
Depressed people don't
live as long.
598
00:30:29,305 --> 00:30:30,872
That's true with
heart disease as well.
599
00:30:30,916 --> 00:30:32,569
If you're depressed
and you have heart disease,
600
00:30:32,613 --> 00:30:34,136
you're not going to live as long
601
00:30:34,180 --> 00:30:36,573
as if you're not depressed
and have heart disease.
602
00:30:36,617 --> 00:30:38,837
So it's a major risk factor
603
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,752
with the major medical illnesses
that kill us.
604
00:30:44,016 --> 00:30:45,582
People who are depressed
feel hopeless,
605
00:30:45,626 --> 00:30:47,584
helpless and worthless,
606
00:30:47,628 --> 00:30:50,196
they may not exercise as well,
they don't sleep as well.
607
00:30:50,239 --> 00:30:53,721
CRAIG HASSED: So the mind has
its direct effects on the body
608
00:30:53,764 --> 00:30:56,463
by what we think -
that mind-body relationship -
609
00:30:56,506 --> 00:30:58,117
but we also should consider
610
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,511
how the mind affects our health
via indirect means.
611
00:31:01,555 --> 00:31:04,036
So that is, the mind decides
what we eat,
612
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:06,777
whether we exercise,
how we live.
613
00:31:06,821 --> 00:31:10,738
And so the state of the mind has
profound effects on the body,
614
00:31:10,781 --> 00:31:13,654
both in the short term
and the long term.
615
00:31:13,697 --> 00:31:15,482
DAVID SPIEGEL: And depression
is something
616
00:31:15,525 --> 00:31:17,136
we can do something about.
617
00:31:17,179 --> 00:31:19,616
So it's a predictor
of cancer outcome
618
00:31:19,660 --> 00:31:21,836
that we can have an effect on,
619
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,534
and potentially affect
disease outcome as well.
620
00:31:24,578 --> 00:31:26,014
We published an article
621
00:31:26,058 --> 00:31:27,886
in the 'Journal
of Clinical Oncology'
622
00:31:27,929 --> 00:31:30,062
showing that the course
of depression
623
00:31:30,105 --> 00:31:32,455
over a period of a year
for women with breast cancer
624
00:31:32,499 --> 00:31:34,066
predicts survival time.
625
00:31:34,109 --> 00:31:36,633
So the women whose depression
was getting better
626
00:31:36,677 --> 00:31:38,244
lived substantially longer
627
00:31:38,287 --> 00:31:40,942
than the ones whose depression
was getting worse.
628
00:31:40,986 --> 00:31:42,596
And it wasn't just two months
629
00:31:42,639 --> 00:31:44,293
after we studied their
depression,
630
00:31:44,337 --> 00:31:46,643
it was seven years later.
631
00:31:46,687 --> 00:31:48,950
And this prediction
was independent
632
00:31:48,994 --> 00:31:51,039
of all the standard
risk factors -
633
00:31:51,083 --> 00:31:55,174
oestrogen receptor status,
progesterone receptor status,
634
00:31:55,217 --> 00:31:57,959
time from initial diagnosis
to relapse,
635
00:31:58,003 --> 00:32:00,701
all of which are powerful
predictors of outcome.
636
00:32:00,744 --> 00:32:02,833
This depression prediction
was independent of that.
637
00:32:04,357 --> 00:32:06,141
Study after study has shown
638
00:32:06,185 --> 00:32:08,100
that people who are lonely
and depressed and isolated
639
00:32:08,143 --> 00:32:09,884
and three to ten times
more likely
640
00:32:09,928 --> 00:32:11,886
to get sick and die prematurely
641
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:14,106
than those who have a sense of
love and connection and support.
642
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:17,196
And I don't know any single
factor in medicine -
643
00:32:17,239 --> 00:32:19,676
not smoking, not cholesterol,
not blood pressure -
644
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,854
that affects our lives
and our survival to that degree.
645
00:32:23,898 --> 00:32:25,856
ALICE DOMAR: If you look at
the data
646
00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:27,641
that I've clocked in
in my career
647
00:32:27,684 --> 00:32:30,035
on the impact of the mind-body
program on fertility rates
648
00:32:30,078 --> 00:32:31,732
in infertility patients,
649
00:32:31,775 --> 00:32:33,995
and the fact the program costs
a few hundred dollars
650
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:35,954
and pretty much doubles
pregnancy rates,
651
00:32:35,997 --> 00:32:38,869
yes, if you had a pill
that did that,
652
00:32:38,913 --> 00:32:41,046
every infertility patient
in the country would take it.
653
00:32:42,830 --> 00:32:45,050
ANN SALERNO: I learned about
654
00:32:45,093 --> 00:32:47,574
Ali Domar's mind-body program
for infertility,
655
00:32:47,617 --> 00:32:50,881
and it sounded like
exactly what I needed.
656
00:32:53,014 --> 00:32:54,929
Just going to the first meeting
657
00:32:54,973 --> 00:32:57,627
and seeing all these women
in the room
658
00:32:57,671 --> 00:33:01,283
that looked like
they were normal,
659
00:33:01,327 --> 00:33:03,372
and just looking around the room
and saying, like,
660
00:33:03,416 --> 00:33:05,418
"I'm not alone. I'm not a freak.
661
00:33:05,461 --> 00:33:07,463
"I'm just, you know,
662
00:33:07,507 --> 00:33:12,033
"another woman that has a
struggle like the rest of them."
663
00:33:12,077 --> 00:33:15,906
And that was just
extremely powerful
664
00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:18,039
in terms of just turning
my mood around
665
00:33:18,083 --> 00:33:23,653
and helping me to feel more
optimistic about my life
666
00:33:23,697 --> 00:33:25,916
regardless of whether
I got pregnant or not.
667
00:33:35,448 --> 00:33:38,451
After a period of using
the mind-body techniques
668
00:33:38,494 --> 00:33:40,322
that I had learned,
669
00:33:40,366 --> 00:33:44,283
I felt that I would proceed to
the IVF treatment.
670
00:33:44,326 --> 00:33:49,157
We ended up getting
just one embryo,
671
00:33:49,201 --> 00:33:54,119
and that embryo took
on the first try.
672
00:33:54,162 --> 00:33:56,860
And I did conceive,
I got pregnant,
673
00:33:56,904 --> 00:34:00,603
and ultimately delivered
my first child,
674
00:34:00,647 --> 00:34:04,520
my baby boy, Luke,
who's now almost two years old.
675
00:34:11,527 --> 00:34:13,355
ALICE DOMAR: Most of my research
676
00:34:13,399 --> 00:34:15,923
is actually looking at the
impact of the mind-body program
677
00:34:15,966 --> 00:34:17,620
on infertility patients.
678
00:34:17,664 --> 00:34:20,275
And we found the women
who did the mind-body program,
679
00:34:20,319 --> 00:34:22,712
in addition to having
680
00:34:22,756 --> 00:34:25,585
much fewer physical
or psychological symptoms,
681
00:34:25,628 --> 00:34:28,196
had a 55% take-home baby rate
682
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:31,373
compared to a 20% take-home baby
rate in the control group.
683
00:34:31,417 --> 00:34:33,375
So 55%, 20%.
684
00:34:35,638 --> 00:34:38,424
The research shows that
if a woman feels stressed
685
00:34:38,467 --> 00:34:40,817
she continues to meet
the demands of her family,
686
00:34:40,861 --> 00:34:44,299
her home and her job,
and she lets go of her friends,
687
00:34:44,343 --> 00:34:46,562
which is the thing you need
the most when you're stressed.
688
00:34:48,608 --> 00:34:50,566
And I think there's
an expression
689
00:34:50,610 --> 00:34:53,482
that a crisis shared
is half the burden.
690
00:34:53,526 --> 00:34:56,137
And so I think that's why social
support is so important.
691
00:34:58,966 --> 00:35:00,663
In the 1960s
692
00:35:00,707 --> 00:35:02,622
a US town called Roseto
693
00:35:02,665 --> 00:35:05,103
was an anomaly in America.
694
00:35:05,146 --> 00:35:08,367
No-one under 55 had died
of a heart attack
695
00:35:08,410 --> 00:35:11,283
or showed any signs
of heart disease.
696
00:35:11,326 --> 00:35:14,068
The local death rate
for men over 65
697
00:35:14,112 --> 00:35:16,810
was half the national average.
698
00:35:16,853 --> 00:35:19,160
A team of researchers
led by Dr Stewart Wolf
699
00:35:19,204 --> 00:35:21,945
considered whether this
was because of their diet,
700
00:35:21,989 --> 00:35:24,948
location, family history
or exercise habits,
701
00:35:24,992 --> 00:35:26,950
but on the surface
702
00:35:26,994 --> 00:35:29,518
nothing was different
from the rest of America.
703
00:35:29,562 --> 00:35:32,608
In fact, the town was made up
of Italian immigrants
704
00:35:32,652 --> 00:35:34,871
who worked in quarries
and factories,
705
00:35:34,915 --> 00:35:37,135
smoked unfiltered cigars
706
00:35:37,178 --> 00:35:40,921
and had dinner tables
laden with rich Italian food.
707
00:35:40,964 --> 00:35:45,926
Rosetans of the 1960s still
held onto their old-world
ways.
708
00:35:45,969 --> 00:35:48,581
It was normal to find
three generations
709
00:35:48,624 --> 00:35:50,757
under the same roof.
710
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,585
80% of men in the town
711
00:35:52,628 --> 00:35:55,109
were members of at least
one community group.
712
00:35:55,153 --> 00:35:57,285
They would gather in each
other's kitchens,
713
00:35:57,329 --> 00:35:59,592
play cards and simply talk.
714
00:35:59,635 --> 00:36:01,202
The conclusion?
715
00:36:01,246 --> 00:36:05,075
Rosetans were nourished
by each other.
716
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:07,034
Over the next decade
717
00:36:07,077 --> 00:36:09,210
the multi-generational homes
broke up.
718
00:36:09,254 --> 00:36:12,735
And by 1971,
when opulent houses,
719
00:36:12,779 --> 00:36:15,608
expensive cars
and swimming pools appeared,
720
00:36:15,651 --> 00:36:20,569
the first person under the age
of 55 died of a heart attack.
721
00:36:20,613 --> 00:36:22,354
By the 1980s
722
00:36:22,397 --> 00:36:25,008
the rate of fatal heart attacks
in Roseto
723
00:36:25,052 --> 00:36:27,794
was the same
as the rest of the country.
724
00:36:30,188 --> 00:36:32,059
DEAN ORNISH: Many people
don't have an extended family
725
00:36:32,102 --> 00:36:33,756
that they see regularly.
726
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,715
They don't have two or three
generations of people
727
00:36:35,758 --> 00:36:37,499
who live in
the neighbourhood together.
728
00:36:37,543 --> 00:36:39,936
They don't have a church or
synagogue they go to regularly,
729
00:36:39,980 --> 00:36:41,938
a job they've been at
for many years.
730
00:36:41,982 --> 00:36:44,332
We all know that these things
affect the quality of our lives,
731
00:36:44,376 --> 00:36:46,769
but they actually affect
our survival
732
00:36:46,813 --> 00:36:49,076
and to a much larger degree
than we had once realised.
733
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:51,034
And so what we've learned
734
00:36:51,078 --> 00:36:53,559
is that it's not enough
to focus on the behaviour,
735
00:36:53,602 --> 00:36:55,735
it's not enough
just to give people information,
736
00:36:55,778 --> 00:36:57,954
we have to work at
this deeper level.
737
00:36:57,998 --> 00:37:00,218
The number one most commonly
prescribed prescription drugs
738
00:37:00,261 --> 00:37:02,785
in the US
and probably most of the world
739
00:37:02,829 --> 00:37:04,613
have been antidepressants
for the last 10 years,
740
00:37:04,657 --> 00:37:06,702
because there are a lot of
depressed people out there.
741
00:37:09,139 --> 00:37:11,577
Now, a sceptic might say,
"Oh, come on, give me a break.
742
00:37:11,620 --> 00:37:14,362
"You mean sitting around
talking about my feelings will
743
00:37:14,406 --> 00:37:16,712
"somehow help me live longer
if I've got cancer? Please."
744
00:37:16,756 --> 00:37:19,106
It's so easy to make fun
of these ideas,
745
00:37:19,149 --> 00:37:21,369
how we're just so touchy-feely,
you know.
746
00:37:21,413 --> 00:37:23,066
But we are
touchy-feely creatures,
747
00:37:23,110 --> 00:37:24,677
we are creatures of community.
748
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:26,679
That's how we've survived
as a species,
749
00:37:26,722 --> 00:37:29,072
is by learning how to care
and love and nurture each other.
750
00:37:29,116 --> 00:37:31,161
And we ignore those ideas
at our own peril.
751
00:37:33,773 --> 00:37:35,514
ANN: I just felt a contentment
752
00:37:35,557 --> 00:37:37,907
that I had never felt before
in my life.
753
00:37:37,951 --> 00:37:41,781
It was a feeling like
if I never accomplished anything
754
00:37:41,824 --> 00:37:44,740
or never did anything special
for the rest of my life,
755
00:37:44,784 --> 00:37:46,655
that it was OK.
756
00:37:49,441 --> 00:37:53,314
And...um, about five months ago
757
00:37:53,358 --> 00:37:56,709
I found out that I was
naturally pregnant,
758
00:37:56,752 --> 00:37:59,973
which was very much a surprise,
759
00:38:00,016 --> 00:38:02,105
and that, uh, you know,
it happened
760
00:38:02,149 --> 00:38:03,803
the way it was, you know...
761
00:38:03,846 --> 00:38:05,587
..I always thought
it was supposed to happen.
762
00:38:05,631 --> 00:38:09,678
But I think a lot of that
has to do with, you know...
763
00:38:09,722 --> 00:38:13,813
..sort of that you no longer
have that inner stress,
764
00:38:13,856 --> 00:38:15,684
that inner angst.
765
00:38:15,728 --> 00:38:18,165
It's definitely another miracle
in our lives.
766
00:38:20,994 --> 00:38:23,257
I think that as a physician
767
00:38:23,301 --> 00:38:27,000
I never was taught to appreciate
768
00:38:27,043 --> 00:38:31,396
sort of, um, how a patient
is coping with an illness
769
00:38:31,439 --> 00:38:33,136
or coping with an ailment
770
00:38:33,180 --> 00:38:36,052
and how that interplays
with their therapy
771
00:38:36,096 --> 00:38:39,229
or their success
in their therapy.
772
00:38:39,273 --> 00:38:41,580
It just wasn't even mentioned.
773
00:38:51,503 --> 00:38:53,461
There are now
774
00:38:53,505 --> 00:38:56,116
more than 10,000
peer-reviewed academic papers
775
00:38:56,159 --> 00:38:59,249
looking at the science
of mind-body medicine,
776
00:38:59,293 --> 00:39:02,035
with more research
being published daily,
777
00:39:02,078 --> 00:39:04,907
and with it comes
the molecular underpinnings
778
00:39:04,951 --> 00:39:07,083
of emotions and disease
779
00:39:07,127 --> 00:39:09,347
proving a mind-body connection.
780
00:39:09,390 --> 00:39:12,262
And yet in most conventional
medical centres
781
00:39:12,306 --> 00:39:15,614
the mind is not a component
in a treatment plan.
782
00:39:15,657 --> 00:39:19,139
Millions of people are being
turned away from doctors'
rooms
783
00:39:19,182 --> 00:39:22,534
with potentially curable
chronic illnesses.
784
00:39:28,844 --> 00:39:30,498
Hi. My name's Scott.
785
00:39:30,542 --> 00:39:33,327
I was diagnosed with melanoma
in 2000.
786
00:39:34,937 --> 00:39:36,374
I think, looking back,
787
00:39:36,417 --> 00:39:38,724
I was a bit of a worrying
sort of person -
788
00:39:38,767 --> 00:39:40,856
not so much worried about myself
789
00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:44,512
or where I'm gonna be
in 10 years...
790
00:39:44,556 --> 00:39:47,341
..but I think I just worried
about stuff.
791
00:39:47,385 --> 00:39:50,475
You know, a bit of
a perfectionist by nature and...
792
00:39:50,518 --> 00:39:53,782
I don't know,
I just probably obsessed a bit
793
00:39:53,826 --> 00:39:57,830
about my life, and how this
worked and how that worked
794
00:39:57,873 --> 00:39:59,832
and whether that was
a good way to do things
795
00:39:59,875 --> 00:40:01,268
and things like that.
796
00:40:02,661 --> 00:40:04,576
My doctor never gave me
a prognosis.
797
00:40:05,707 --> 00:40:07,317
But I did ask him.
798
00:40:07,361 --> 00:40:10,103
You know, I said,
"How unwell am I?"
799
00:40:10,146 --> 00:40:13,628
And... I think I said,
"How serious is this?"
800
00:40:13,672 --> 00:40:16,805
And my doctor said, "It doesn't
get any more serious."
801
00:40:16,849 --> 00:40:20,156
My doctor was happy
to call me a terminal patient.
802
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,637
You know, I was unwell.
803
00:40:22,681 --> 00:40:24,900
I had stage IV melanoma,
804
00:40:24,944 --> 00:40:28,121
and people with stage IV
melanoma didn't get better.
805
00:40:30,515 --> 00:40:32,473
And my doctor said,
806
00:40:32,517 --> 00:40:34,432
"Well, look, you can have
chemotherapy if you like,
807
00:40:34,475 --> 00:40:37,260
"but it's only got
a 5-10% success rate."
808
00:40:37,304 --> 00:40:39,262
He said, "But that's all
I've got for you."
809
00:40:39,306 --> 00:40:43,005
They offered me chemotherapy
as a palliative treatment
810
00:40:43,049 --> 00:40:45,181
and that's all they had for me.
811
00:40:49,664 --> 00:40:52,928
I never looked to myself.
812
00:40:52,972 --> 00:40:56,541
You know, I just...looked
to the medical system
813
00:40:56,584 --> 00:40:58,586
and whacked a drip in my arm
814
00:40:58,630 --> 00:41:00,893
and sat there and said,
"She'll be right, mate."
815
00:41:00,936 --> 00:41:03,025
Like, that's the mentality
that I had.
816
00:41:03,069 --> 00:41:06,289
But I wasn't right,
because it kept coming back.
817
00:41:06,333 --> 00:41:09,858
I think there's an art
in how you approach a patient.
818
00:41:09,902 --> 00:41:13,993
The words that a doctor uses
have great power.
819
00:41:14,036 --> 00:41:16,952
I've written also about
what I call 'medical hexing',
820
00:41:16,996 --> 00:41:18,519
which is the negative side
of this,
821
00:41:18,563 --> 00:41:21,087
that many patients have been
822
00:41:21,130 --> 00:41:24,525
told by doctors
in one way or another
823
00:41:24,569 --> 00:41:26,048
that they're not gonna
get better.
824
00:41:29,269 --> 00:41:32,838
Often, doctors haven't,
you know, meant to do that,
825
00:41:32,881 --> 00:41:36,842
and they may even be unconscious
of the things that they've said,
826
00:41:36,885 --> 00:41:40,541
but I think this is an area
that needs correction,
827
00:41:40,585 --> 00:41:43,675
that doctors need to be aware
of how powerful their words are
828
00:41:43,718 --> 00:41:46,547
and to use them, you know,
to promote healing
829
00:41:46,591 --> 00:41:49,332
rather than hinder it.
830
00:41:49,376 --> 00:41:51,073
DAVID SPIEGEL:
Medicine used to be a trade.
831
00:41:51,117 --> 00:41:53,641
It used to be that you would
apprentice yourself to a doctor
832
00:41:53,685 --> 00:41:56,557
and roam around with -
mostly then - him, not her
833
00:41:56,601 --> 00:41:58,559
and learn the craft.
834
00:41:58,603 --> 00:42:00,343
At the beginning
of the last century
835
00:42:00,387 --> 00:42:02,128
there was a report called
the Flexner Report
836
00:42:02,171 --> 00:42:04,130
in the United States
837
00:42:04,173 --> 00:42:06,306
that said, you know,
medicine should be a science,
838
00:42:06,349 --> 00:42:08,308
and so people started
839
00:42:08,351 --> 00:42:11,572
going to formal medical schools
after university.
840
00:42:11,616 --> 00:42:14,749
But, I think, in an odd way,
841
00:42:14,793 --> 00:42:16,708
we solved one problem
and created another
842
00:42:16,751 --> 00:42:19,232
because
the old general practitioners,
843
00:42:19,275 --> 00:42:22,583
they understood the importance
of emotional support
844
00:42:22,627 --> 00:42:27,501
as well as whatever medication
or surgery you gave.
845
00:42:27,545 --> 00:42:30,460
So the oldest adage of medicine
is that our job is
846
00:42:30,504 --> 00:42:33,420
to cure rarely, relieve
suffering, and comfort always,
847
00:42:33,463 --> 00:42:37,555
and in the Flexner era
we rewrote that job description
848
00:42:37,598 --> 00:42:39,600
to be that our job was
to cure always,
849
00:42:39,644 --> 00:42:41,297
relieve suffering
if you had the time,
850
00:42:41,341 --> 00:42:44,387
and let someone else
do the comforting.
851
00:42:44,431 --> 00:42:47,826
MAN: We've started to look at
the doctor-patient interaction
852
00:42:47,869 --> 00:42:49,436
and then, even more broadly,
853
00:42:49,479 --> 00:42:52,570
this ritual or theatre, even,
of healing.
854
00:42:52,613 --> 00:42:55,573
What is it that we do
when we prescribe a medicine,
855
00:42:55,616 --> 00:42:59,054
or see a patient about a surgery
or even conduct surgery?
856
00:42:59,098 --> 00:43:01,230
What is in that environment
857
00:43:01,274 --> 00:43:05,495
and how does it affect
a patient's brain?
858
00:43:05,539 --> 00:43:07,715
There's a couple of trials
which have been done
859
00:43:07,759 --> 00:43:10,718
by a colleague of mine in Italy,
Professor Benedetti,
860
00:43:10,762 --> 00:43:12,502
in the early 2000s,
861
00:43:12,546 --> 00:43:13,982
and they were able to look at
862
00:43:14,026 --> 00:43:16,811
post-operative pain
with the drug morphine,
863
00:43:16,855 --> 00:43:18,465
and were able to show
864
00:43:18,508 --> 00:43:21,250
that morphine was
almost half as effective
865
00:43:21,294 --> 00:43:23,296
when you didn't know
you'd received it.
866
00:43:23,339 --> 00:43:26,081
In other words,
the effect of a drug
867
00:43:26,125 --> 00:43:29,998
is a combination
of the pharmacology of the drug
868
00:43:30,042 --> 00:43:31,957
and the effect of your brain
869
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,263
knowing
that you're having the drug
870
00:43:34,307 --> 00:43:38,485
and the therapeutic ritual
of the drug administration.
871
00:43:38,528 --> 00:43:40,705
That component
is the placebo effect,
872
00:43:40,748 --> 00:43:43,316
and that's what we're studying.
873
00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:45,405
ESTHER STERNBERG: What we're
really talking about here
874
00:43:45,448 --> 00:43:49,061
is what has been almost misnamed
'the placebo effect' -
875
00:43:49,104 --> 00:43:51,759
the brain's own
healing mechanism.
876
00:43:51,803 --> 00:43:53,369
And the reason it's misnamed
877
00:43:53,413 --> 00:43:55,937
is it's usually
the placebo effect...
878
00:43:55,981 --> 00:43:58,070
The word 'placebo'
is usually preceded
879
00:43:58,113 --> 00:44:00,202
by a four-letter word - 'just'.
880
00:44:00,246 --> 00:44:02,074
"Oh, it's 'just'
the placebo effect'."
881
00:44:02,117 --> 00:44:03,815
Well, it's not 'just'
the placebo effect.
882
00:44:03,858 --> 00:44:06,426
It's a very powerful effect
that contributes
883
00:44:06,469 --> 00:44:10,560
about 30% to 50% of the effect
of any biological cure.
884
00:44:10,604 --> 00:44:15,174
Belief is critical
because belief has the ability
885
00:44:15,217 --> 00:44:20,005
to trigger part of the overall
healing response, if you like.
886
00:44:20,048 --> 00:44:23,965
In simple terms, belief is
part of why we get better.
887
00:44:24,009 --> 00:44:26,141
It's not the complete answer,
888
00:44:26,185 --> 00:44:30,711
but it's one part of any medical
treatment, which is important.
889
00:44:30,755 --> 00:44:33,714
And that's both at a
patient level - having belief -
890
00:44:33,758 --> 00:44:35,150
and at a doctor level -
891
00:44:35,194 --> 00:44:37,500
realising that belief
is important.
892
00:44:37,544 --> 00:44:39,938
And the communication
about some of these things
893
00:44:39,981 --> 00:44:42,114
with the patient
is important as well.
894
00:44:48,468 --> 00:44:50,426
My name's Ian Gawler.
895
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:52,733
I started off my working life
as a veterinarian,
896
00:44:52,777 --> 00:44:55,301
but after just a couple of years
of being in practice
897
00:44:55,344 --> 00:44:58,391
I got a swelling
in my right thigh
898
00:44:58,434 --> 00:45:03,135
which turned out to be a very
aggressive form of bone cancer.
899
00:45:03,178 --> 00:45:06,616
And so in the beginning of 1975
900
00:45:06,660 --> 00:45:09,489
I had my leg amputated
through the hip,
901
00:45:09,532 --> 00:45:11,926
and it got worse
902
00:45:11,970 --> 00:45:15,495
because less than a year later,
the cancer reoccurred.
903
00:45:15,538 --> 00:45:18,454
Nobody on record had lived
more than six months
904
00:45:18,498 --> 00:45:21,370
with that particular type
of secondary cancer,
905
00:45:21,414 --> 00:45:24,634
and most people seemed to die
within about three months.
906
00:45:26,549 --> 00:45:29,030
Being a veterinarian, I'd seen
907
00:45:29,074 --> 00:45:33,861
animals healing through their
own natural agency, if you like,
908
00:45:33,905 --> 00:45:38,474
and so that set me off on
this sort of quest for healing.
909
00:45:38,518 --> 00:45:40,476
And I was very fortunate
910
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,915
because I was around in the
early days of mind-body medicine
911
00:45:43,958 --> 00:45:47,440
when meditation
was just starting
912
00:45:47,483 --> 00:45:49,050
to be used therapeutically,
913
00:45:49,094 --> 00:45:51,313
where nutrition was starting
914
00:45:51,357 --> 00:45:53,359
to be taken,
by some people, seriously
915
00:45:53,402 --> 00:45:55,665
for its therapeutic value,
916
00:45:55,709 --> 00:45:58,538
and that whole role of the mind
and emotions and health
917
00:45:58,581 --> 00:46:01,062
was being considered.
918
00:46:01,106 --> 00:46:04,239
As I was putting all this effort
into getting well,
919
00:46:04,283 --> 00:46:06,546
I reached a point where I...
920
00:46:06,589 --> 00:46:10,593
..it was very apparent that
my mind was the limiting factor,
921
00:46:10,637 --> 00:46:15,250
because up to that point
I'd been doing all these things
922
00:46:15,294 --> 00:46:19,515
that had the possibility
of helping me to recover,
923
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:22,562
but it became apparent
at that time
924
00:46:22,605 --> 00:46:27,654
that I had some level of doubt
about it.
925
00:46:36,619 --> 00:46:40,188
I was told about this
Indian holy man named Sai Baba,
926
00:46:40,232 --> 00:46:43,017
who was revered in India
at the time
927
00:46:43,061 --> 00:46:45,846
as a...as a divine incarnation.
928
00:46:45,890 --> 00:46:49,632
I must say, of all the people
I met through my healing journey
929
00:46:49,676 --> 00:46:51,896
in terms of presence
930
00:46:51,939 --> 00:46:54,768
and in terms of fulfilling
the expectation
931
00:46:54,812 --> 00:46:56,335
of what one would have
932
00:46:56,378 --> 00:46:58,424
of a really extraordinary
holy man,
933
00:46:58,467 --> 00:47:00,730
he really fitted the bill.
934
00:47:02,689 --> 00:47:05,953
And he said to me very clearly,
very directly,
935
00:47:05,997 --> 00:47:09,000
"You're already healed.
Don't worry."
936
00:47:09,043 --> 00:47:11,045
And he'd sort of
picked up on the fact
937
00:47:11,089 --> 00:47:12,960
that there was this doubt
sort of there.
938
00:47:13,004 --> 00:47:15,006
And with doubt,
you hang back a bit.
939
00:47:15,049 --> 00:47:16,834
And although from the outside
940
00:47:16,877 --> 00:47:19,880
I would have looked like I was
very committed, very engaged
941
00:47:19,924 --> 00:47:22,013
with this whole healing process,
942
00:47:22,056 --> 00:47:23,492
I know - it was a fact -
943
00:47:23,536 --> 00:47:25,407
that there was this
level of doubt there
944
00:47:25,451 --> 00:47:27,757
that was sort of
holding things back.
945
00:47:27,801 --> 00:47:29,890
And through the agency
of meeting him
946
00:47:29,934 --> 00:47:32,066
and the catalytic effect
that he had
947
00:47:32,110 --> 00:47:34,503
and the sort of power
of his presence,
948
00:47:34,547 --> 00:47:38,507
which is, like, what made him
for me a true healer,
949
00:47:38,551 --> 00:47:41,075
I was able to actually
switch that
950
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:44,252
and I came away from there
with conviction.
951
00:47:44,296 --> 00:47:47,777
And it didn't actually change
what I was doing,
952
00:47:47,821 --> 00:47:50,780
but it changed
how I was doing it
953
00:47:50,824 --> 00:47:54,306
in this quite deep
and profound way.
954
00:47:54,349 --> 00:47:56,569
And so everything from then on
I thought...
955
00:47:56,612 --> 00:48:01,879
You know, I came away, you know,
thinking I'd really get well.
956
00:48:08,146 --> 00:48:11,062
In recent years
the scientific line of inquiry
957
00:48:11,105 --> 00:48:14,413
has moved from being
not if, but how,
958
00:48:14,456 --> 00:48:16,937
belief effects your health.
959
00:48:16,981 --> 00:48:19,070
And while the study
of placebo responses
960
00:48:19,113 --> 00:48:20,941
still has a long way to go
961
00:48:20,985 --> 00:48:23,901
to influence the practices
of conventional medicine,
962
00:48:23,944 --> 00:48:25,990
scientists are starting
to uncover
963
00:48:26,033 --> 00:48:28,731
a physiological basis
for placebo.
964
00:48:28,775 --> 00:48:32,344
Neuroscientists can see
placebo treatments
965
00:48:32,387 --> 00:48:35,260
prompt chemical responses
in the area of the brain
966
00:48:35,303 --> 00:48:39,481
that modulates things like
mood, sleep and pain reception
967
00:48:39,525 --> 00:48:41,919
in a similar way to drugs.
968
00:48:41,962 --> 00:48:45,009
Research on the brains of
people with Parkinson's
disease
969
00:48:45,052 --> 00:48:48,055
has shown that placebos
increase dopamine,
970
00:48:48,099 --> 00:48:50,057
a chemical
that affects emotions
971
00:48:50,101 --> 00:48:53,104
and sensations of pleasure
and reward.
972
00:48:53,147 --> 00:48:55,976
In a study of patients with
irritable bowel syndrome,
973
00:48:56,020 --> 00:48:57,978
people got better
974
00:48:58,022 --> 00:49:00,850
even when they knew
pills given to them were fake.
975
00:49:00,894 --> 00:49:02,852
These people were told
976
00:49:02,896 --> 00:49:04,985
their doctors felt the pills
would help,
977
00:49:05,029 --> 00:49:06,987
and they did.
978
00:49:07,031 --> 00:49:09,859
This is
a really important reminder
979
00:49:09,903 --> 00:49:12,906
that the therapeutic interaction
980
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:15,778
between the therapist -
any healthcare professional -
981
00:49:15,822 --> 00:49:17,606
and the patient,
is important,
982
00:49:17,650 --> 00:49:19,478
and I think people have
known that for years.
983
00:49:19,521 --> 00:49:22,002
And now we can,
through placebo research,
984
00:49:22,046 --> 00:49:23,482
demonstrate that it's important
985
00:49:23,525 --> 00:49:27,181
because there's a clear
biological manipulation
986
00:49:27,225 --> 00:49:30,054
or altering of...of symptoms.
987
00:49:30,097 --> 00:49:32,012
I think 'healing response'
988
00:49:32,056 --> 00:49:34,188
is a better term
than 'placebo response',
989
00:49:34,232 --> 00:49:39,019
because in most doctors' minds,
placebo responses...
990
00:49:39,063 --> 00:49:41,021
People only think of
991
00:49:41,065 --> 00:49:43,023
giving sugar pills
and saline injections,
992
00:49:43,067 --> 00:49:46,200
so this is fooling patients,
duping them in some way.
993
00:49:46,244 --> 00:49:49,638
And doctors don't like to see
themselves as duping patients,
994
00:49:49,682 --> 00:49:52,598
and patients certainly don't
want to see themselves as dupes.
995
00:49:52,641 --> 00:49:54,687
So I think to avoid all that
996
00:49:54,730 --> 00:49:56,297
I would tend to
talk about these
997
00:49:56,341 --> 00:49:58,734
as mind-mediated
healing responses.
998
00:49:58,778 --> 00:50:00,519
Now, it doesn't mean, you know,
999
00:50:00,562 --> 00:50:02,564
"I think I'm gonna
get rid of my cancer
1000
00:50:02,608 --> 00:50:05,089
"or my, you know,
other major illness
1001
00:50:05,132 --> 00:50:06,699
"and it's just gonna go away,"
1002
00:50:06,742 --> 00:50:09,223
but it does mean
that the body's response
1003
00:50:09,267 --> 00:50:13,445
to the insult of an infection
or a tumour or something else
1004
00:50:13,488 --> 00:50:18,406
may be modulated by
central nervous system effects,
1005
00:50:18,450 --> 00:50:21,148
including expectation
and placebo.
1006
00:50:21,192 --> 00:50:23,542
There's no way you can ever
draw a line and say,
1007
00:50:23,585 --> 00:50:25,935
"On this side are the
intrinsic effects of treatment
1008
00:50:25,979 --> 00:50:29,156
"and on this side are
the mind-mediated effects."
1009
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,376
And not only is it impossible
to do that,
1010
00:50:31,419 --> 00:50:32,942
it's foolish to do that,
1011
00:50:32,986 --> 00:50:35,510
because to me
the placebo response
1012
00:50:35,554 --> 00:50:37,034
is the meat of medicine -
1013
00:50:37,077 --> 00:50:38,470
that's what you're trying
to make happen.
1014
00:50:42,430 --> 00:50:44,693
IAN GAWLER:
It wasn't like I found
1015
00:50:44,737 --> 00:50:46,913
some magic medical thing
that fixed me
1016
00:50:46,956 --> 00:50:50,090
or some alternative treatment
that fixed me.
1017
00:50:50,134 --> 00:50:53,702
I think if there's a magic
bullet involved in my case,
1018
00:50:53,746 --> 00:50:56,749
it was actually that sort of
inner capacity for healing
1019
00:50:56,792 --> 00:50:58,751
and activating that.
1020
00:50:58,794 --> 00:51:01,014
After I recovered,
1021
00:51:01,058 --> 00:51:04,452
a lot of people
heard about my story
1022
00:51:04,496 --> 00:51:07,325
and wondered what I'd done
1023
00:51:07,368 --> 00:51:09,414
and whether it could
be of help to them.
1024
00:51:09,457 --> 00:51:12,895
And really, my story's got
less and less significant
1025
00:51:12,939 --> 00:51:14,332
in that sense
1026
00:51:14,375 --> 00:51:16,290
because the real body
of the work
1027
00:51:16,334 --> 00:51:18,466
is the testament
of all the people
1028
00:51:18,510 --> 00:51:20,773
who've done these things
over many years.
1029
00:51:22,557 --> 00:51:25,125
A friend had mentioned
the Gawler Foundation to me.
1030
00:51:25,169 --> 00:51:28,476
Straightaway in this program,
1031
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,609
things started to make sense
to me.
1032
00:51:30,652 --> 00:51:32,437
You know, like,
full light bulb moments.
1033
00:51:34,961 --> 00:51:38,921
You know, I was motivated
and I was keen to stay alive.
1034
00:51:38,965 --> 00:51:43,404
I'd just got married.
I was...I was 27.
1035
00:51:43,448 --> 00:51:45,493
Like, I didn't want to die.
1036
00:51:46,668 --> 00:51:49,889
And I made a lot of changes.
1037
00:51:54,285 --> 00:51:56,591
IAN GAWLER: And I have
no trouble in saying,
1038
00:51:56,635 --> 00:51:59,594
"I don't care what the odds are.
You're an individual.
1039
00:51:59,638 --> 00:52:01,683
"You've got a body,
you've got emotions,
1040
00:52:01,727 --> 00:52:03,250
"you've got a mind,
you've got a spirit.
1041
00:52:03,294 --> 00:52:05,078
"It's possible that
you're gonna recover."
1042
00:52:05,122 --> 00:52:07,472
A lot of the people
that I've helped
1043
00:52:07,515 --> 00:52:10,083
that have managed to recover
1044
00:52:10,127 --> 00:52:13,260
sort of in spectacular ways
against difficult odds
1045
00:52:13,304 --> 00:52:15,610
have found
that point of conviction
1046
00:52:15,654 --> 00:52:18,178
at some point
in their own healing journey.
1047
00:52:21,050 --> 00:52:24,228
SCOTT: They teach you about
the effects of emotions
1048
00:52:24,271 --> 00:52:25,925
on your body,
your immune system,
1049
00:52:25,968 --> 00:52:30,234
the importance of meditation,
nutrition,
1050
00:52:30,277 --> 00:52:33,280
having some sort of
spiritual connection
1051
00:52:33,324 --> 00:52:35,282
to whatever it is
you believe in,
1052
00:52:35,326 --> 00:52:37,284
all these things.
1053
00:52:37,328 --> 00:52:39,721
And they're all things
that you can do for yourself.
1054
00:52:39,765 --> 00:52:41,984
So some people say that my...
1055
00:52:42,028 --> 00:52:46,032
..my healing
is this miraculous recovery.
1056
00:52:47,207 --> 00:52:49,078
But to me, it was...
1057
00:52:49,122 --> 00:52:52,125
..it was just hard work
and perseverance.
1058
00:52:52,169 --> 00:52:54,214
And belief.
1059
00:52:54,258 --> 00:52:58,218
I believed these things,
you know, were good for me.
1060
00:53:01,395 --> 00:53:06,270
The easiest way
to sum it up for someone is
1061
00:53:06,313 --> 00:53:08,707
would I have got well
1062
00:53:08,750 --> 00:53:13,059
without all these approaches
like meditation
1063
00:53:13,102 --> 00:53:14,887
and, essentially,
looking after yourself?
1064
00:53:16,062 --> 00:53:17,977
No.
1065
00:53:18,020 --> 00:53:19,631
Would I have got well
1066
00:53:19,674 --> 00:53:23,461
with just that
and no chemical intervention?
1067
00:53:23,504 --> 00:53:25,332
Maybe.
1068
00:53:25,376 --> 00:53:27,204
But if you wanted to
break it down,
1069
00:53:27,247 --> 00:53:31,382
the drugs weren't gonna cure me,
not by themselves.
1070
00:53:31,425 --> 00:53:33,471
I was a terminal patient.
1071
00:53:33,514 --> 00:53:36,517
I had stage IV melanoma.
1072
00:53:36,561 --> 00:53:41,957
And here I am,
cancer-free, 6.5 years later.
1073
00:53:57,625 --> 00:54:00,106
Despite
the overwhelming evidence
1074
00:54:00,149 --> 00:54:02,282
that your mind plays
a major role
1075
00:54:02,326 --> 00:54:05,198
in both determining
your sickness and wellness,
1076
00:54:05,242 --> 00:54:08,941
there remains a major line
of inquiry to explore -
1077
00:54:08,984 --> 00:54:11,683
the role of genetics.
1078
00:54:13,032 --> 00:54:14,990
Genes are stretches of DNA
1079
00:54:15,034 --> 00:54:18,167
that sit in almost every cell
in your body.
1080
00:54:18,211 --> 00:54:19,995
They contain instructions
1081
00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:23,434
for producing proteins that
run every bodily function.
1082
00:54:23,477 --> 00:54:26,611
We inherit half our DNA
from each of our parents.
1083
00:54:26,654 --> 00:54:29,788
And if your parents,
grandparents or other
relatives
1084
00:54:29,831 --> 00:54:32,094
have an illness,
1085
00:54:32,138 --> 00:54:35,228
you have a greater risk
of getting sick too.
1086
00:54:38,275 --> 00:54:40,451
I'm George Jelenik.
1087
00:54:40,494 --> 00:54:45,499
I'm a medical doctor
who is in academic medicine,
1088
00:54:45,543 --> 00:54:48,589
and emergency medicine is the
specialty I've been trained in.
1089
00:54:50,678 --> 00:54:53,986
Mum was diagnosed with MS.
1090
00:54:54,029 --> 00:54:57,642
So MS is multiple sclerosis,
which is...
1091
00:54:57,685 --> 00:54:59,383
..which means that you've got
1092
00:54:59,426 --> 00:55:03,517
multiple lesions,
or little areas of damage,
1093
00:55:03,561 --> 00:55:05,084
through your nervous system.
1094
00:55:05,127 --> 00:55:07,739
Generally it's thought to be
an autoimmune disease,
1095
00:55:07,782 --> 00:55:11,743
so the immune system essentially
attacks your own nervous system.
1096
00:55:13,745 --> 00:55:17,705
And she deteriorated
quite quickly.
1097
00:55:17,749 --> 00:55:20,142
Within perhaps five years
of diagnosis,
1098
00:55:20,186 --> 00:55:22,275
she could no longer walk.
1099
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:24,973
And I remember her
1100
00:55:25,017 --> 00:55:27,367
then coming to my
medical school graduation
1101
00:55:27,411 --> 00:55:29,500
in a wheelchair
1102
00:55:29,543 --> 00:55:32,677
and having to be sort of
lifted up the ramp to get inside
1103
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:35,332
to...to see me graduate
from medicine.
1104
00:55:37,638 --> 00:55:39,858
I'd done three years
of residency as a doctor
1105
00:55:39,901 --> 00:55:43,383
and I thought I would just
take off and see the world
1106
00:55:43,427 --> 00:55:46,299
and go for a few years.
1107
00:55:46,343 --> 00:55:50,259
And in fact
it was at my going-away party
1108
00:55:50,303 --> 00:55:54,089
that I was rung to say that
my mother had been found dead.
1109
00:55:54,133 --> 00:55:56,614
She was intent
1110
00:55:56,657 --> 00:56:02,010
on finishing her life perfectly
rationally and...and reasonably
1111
00:56:02,054 --> 00:56:04,622
because of
what her life had become.
1112
00:56:04,665 --> 00:56:10,497
And so she took an overdose
and was found in the morning.
1113
00:56:13,718 --> 00:56:16,938
There's a very strong
genetic predisposition to MS,
1114
00:56:16,982 --> 00:56:21,290
so if you have a first-degree
relative who had MS,
1115
00:56:21,334 --> 00:56:22,857
like my mother,
1116
00:56:22,901 --> 00:56:25,120
then your chance is
about 20 to 40 times
1117
00:56:25,164 --> 00:56:27,862
the average chance
of the rest of the population.
1118
00:56:27,906 --> 00:56:32,084
And it was 1999, 18 years later,
when I was 45,
1119
00:56:32,127 --> 00:56:34,303
that I first developed
symptoms of MS.
1120
00:56:38,177 --> 00:56:41,006
We used to think that
the genes you were born with
1121
00:56:41,049 --> 00:56:43,138
are what you're stuck with
1122
00:56:43,182 --> 00:56:46,533
and that's it,
that it's set in stone.
1123
00:56:46,577 --> 00:56:48,535
And it turns out
that's not the case.
1124
00:56:48,579 --> 00:56:51,408
You're born with the genes.
The genes aren't gonna change.
1125
00:56:51,451 --> 00:56:55,673
But the way they are expressed
is very profoundly affected
1126
00:56:55,716 --> 00:56:58,719
by the experiences
that you go through.
1127
00:56:58,763 --> 00:57:01,113
So often I hear people say,
"Oh, I've just got bad genes.
1128
00:57:01,156 --> 00:57:02,984
"It's all in my genes.
What can I do?"
1129
00:57:03,028 --> 00:57:04,464
Well, actually you can do a lot.
1130
00:57:06,248 --> 00:57:07,772
For the last 36 years,
1131
00:57:07,815 --> 00:57:09,861
I've directed a series
of research studies
1132
00:57:09,904 --> 00:57:11,732
showing what
a powerful difference
1133
00:57:11,776 --> 00:57:13,517
changes in diet and lifestyle
can make
1134
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,432
not only in preventing disease,
1135
00:57:15,475 --> 00:57:17,346
but actually in treating
and often reversing it.
1136
00:57:17,390 --> 00:57:19,479
We were able to show
for the first time
1137
00:57:19,523 --> 00:57:22,003
that we could slow, stop,
or even reverse
1138
00:57:22,047 --> 00:57:25,485
the progression
of early-stage prostate cancer.
1139
00:57:25,529 --> 00:57:28,053
We looked into some of the
mechanisms to help explain that,
1140
00:57:28,096 --> 00:57:31,186
and we found that over 500 genes
were favourably changed
1141
00:57:31,230 --> 00:57:32,797
in just three months.
1142
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,494
And, in fact,
turning on the good genes
1143
00:57:34,538 --> 00:57:36,191
that prevent these conditions
1144
00:57:36,235 --> 00:57:38,803
and turning off
particularly the oncogenes
1145
00:57:38,846 --> 00:57:41,109
that promote prostate cancer
in men, breast cancer in women,
1146
00:57:41,153 --> 00:57:43,155
colon cancer and so on.
1147
00:57:43,198 --> 00:57:45,592
And I think these findings are
giving many people new hope
1148
00:57:45,636 --> 00:57:47,986
and new choices
that they didn't have before.
1149
00:57:48,029 --> 00:57:50,379
So the bedrock principle
of biology,
1150
00:57:50,423 --> 00:57:52,338
that genes are fixed
and unchangeable,
1151
00:57:52,381 --> 00:57:54,949
has now been shaken
to the core.
1152
00:57:54,993 --> 00:57:56,951
Through the study
of gene expression,
1153
00:57:56,995 --> 00:57:58,953
scientists now know
1154
00:57:58,997 --> 00:58:02,522
that your genes can be
switched on and switched off.
1155
00:58:02,566 --> 00:58:05,264
And while for the most part
every cell in your body
1156
00:58:05,307 --> 00:58:07,571
contains exactly
the same genes,
1157
00:58:07,614 --> 00:58:09,137
and that won't change,
1158
00:58:09,181 --> 00:58:11,749
being exposed
to external forces
1159
00:58:11,792 --> 00:58:14,969
can flip the switch
one way or another.
1160
00:58:15,013 --> 00:58:18,146
By studying epigenetics,
researchers also know
1161
00:58:18,190 --> 00:58:22,237
that gene expression can be
passed to the next generation.
1162
00:58:22,281 --> 00:58:24,239
The way
your great-grandmother lived
1163
00:58:24,283 --> 00:58:27,112
could be affecting your health.
1164
00:58:27,155 --> 00:58:29,593
And here,
at the front line of science,
1165
00:58:29,636 --> 00:58:33,422
there are major implications
for mind-body medicine.
1166
00:58:33,466 --> 00:58:36,164
Recently, research
on the relaxation response
1167
00:58:36,208 --> 00:58:38,993
was taken to a whole new level.
1168
00:58:39,037 --> 00:58:41,213
Scientists at
the Benson Henry Institute
1169
00:58:41,256 --> 00:58:42,823
for Mind Body Medicine
1170
00:58:42,867 --> 00:58:44,564
looked at
the genetic expression
1171
00:58:44,608 --> 00:58:46,392
of people who meditated.
1172
00:58:46,435 --> 00:58:48,046
And the results revealed
1173
00:58:48,089 --> 00:58:50,744
that meditation can
flip the switch
1174
00:58:50,788 --> 00:58:53,660
on genes affecting disease.
1175
00:58:53,704 --> 00:58:56,228
But it's even,
from my point of view,
1176
00:58:56,271 --> 00:58:58,578
more remarkable than that,
1177
00:58:58,622 --> 00:59:03,365
because the first time you evoke
the relaxation response,
1178
00:59:03,409 --> 00:59:09,067
these genomic gene expression
changes occur.
1179
00:59:09,110 --> 00:59:14,072
Now, what happens,
the more times you do it daily,
1180
00:59:14,115 --> 00:59:17,684
the more intense
is the response,
1181
00:59:17,728 --> 00:59:19,730
the more anchored it is,
1182
00:59:19,773 --> 00:59:22,341
but it happens
the very first time
1183
00:59:22,384 --> 00:59:24,735
when you go through
these instructions.
1184
00:59:26,824 --> 00:59:29,261
That's incredible.
1185
00:59:29,304 --> 00:59:32,133
That's absolutely remarkable.
1186
00:59:32,177 --> 00:59:33,787
So what you're saying is
1187
00:59:33,831 --> 00:59:35,615
that within minutes
of doing a technique
1188
00:59:35,659 --> 00:59:37,748
that evokes
the relaxation response,
1189
00:59:37,791 --> 00:59:41,969
we can change the way
our genes are expressed?
1190
00:59:42,013 --> 00:59:44,493
Yes. Yes. And that's...
1191
00:59:44,537 --> 00:59:49,063
Now, there is
a very important point here,
1192
00:59:49,107 --> 00:59:54,460
namely, the more you do it,
the more intense the response.
1193
00:59:54,503 --> 01:00:00,422
That means the daily practice
of these techniques is vital.
1194
01:00:01,728 --> 01:00:03,556
Sure, you can get a benefit,
1195
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,819
but you can get
so much more benefit
1196
01:00:05,863 --> 01:00:09,083
if you do it on a daily basis.
1197
01:00:16,787 --> 01:00:18,484
GEORGE JELENIK:
To be diagnosed with MS
1198
01:00:18,527 --> 01:00:21,661
was just an enormous...
an enormous blow.
1199
01:00:21,705 --> 01:00:25,099
I mean, it's impossible
to really adequately convey
1200
01:00:25,143 --> 01:00:27,972
how life-changing that is.
1201
01:00:28,015 --> 01:00:30,801
At a stage when you've got
a really young family
1202
01:00:30,844 --> 01:00:35,632
and you've just been appointed
to a really important new job,
1203
01:00:35,675 --> 01:00:37,546
and things seem, apparently,
1204
01:00:37,590 --> 01:00:39,418
to be going really well
in your life,
1205
01:00:39,461 --> 01:00:41,463
it's like an enormous hand
just reaches in
1206
01:00:41,507 --> 01:00:43,422
and takes your life away
from you.
1207
01:00:43,465 --> 01:00:45,424
In an instant it's just gone.
1208
01:00:48,557 --> 01:00:51,778
I started thinking,
"Why have I gotten sick?
1209
01:00:51,822 --> 01:00:54,172
"Why did I get sick right now?
1210
01:00:54,215 --> 01:00:58,263
"What is this illness
doing for me?
1211
01:00:58,306 --> 01:01:02,310
"What does it mean
in the context of my life?"
1212
01:01:02,354 --> 01:01:05,966
And so I...I had a path
suddenly to explore.
1213
01:01:06,010 --> 01:01:08,926
I'm no stranger to medical
research in the job I do,
1214
01:01:08,969 --> 01:01:10,841
so it was relatively easy for me
1215
01:01:10,884 --> 01:01:12,669
to look through
the medical literature
1216
01:01:12,712 --> 01:01:15,497
and see what had been written
about this illness before.
1217
01:01:15,541 --> 01:01:18,718
And really the literature
had so many clues
1218
01:01:18,762 --> 01:01:21,721
about what causes MS
and what makes it worse
1219
01:01:21,765 --> 01:01:25,072
that it wasn't that difficult
to put that together.
1220
01:01:25,116 --> 01:01:27,422
I think I got sick,
in hindsight,
1221
01:01:27,466 --> 01:01:30,556
because everything in my life
was really out of whack.
1222
01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:32,079
It was really out of balance.
1223
01:01:32,123 --> 01:01:34,212
And it was the exploration
of that path, really,
1224
01:01:34,255 --> 01:01:37,955
that led me to be well
and keeps me well.
1225
01:01:42,089 --> 01:01:44,483
For a long time, I wouldn't use
the word 'recovery'
1226
01:01:44,526 --> 01:01:46,833
because I thought...
1227
01:01:46,877 --> 01:01:50,228
That doesn't even get discussed
in medical circles,
1228
01:01:50,271 --> 01:01:52,752
that it's possible
to recover from MS.
1229
01:01:52,796 --> 01:01:55,059
And I thought it was
really sticking my neck out
1230
01:01:55,102 --> 01:01:56,582
to say I'd recovered.
1231
01:01:56,625 --> 01:01:58,192
But in fact, from what I've seen
1232
01:01:58,236 --> 01:02:00,064
in my own personal experience
now,
1233
01:02:00,107 --> 01:02:01,892
I think
it's perfectly reasonable
1234
01:02:01,935 --> 01:02:05,634
to start a conversation
about recovery from MS.
1235
01:02:05,678 --> 01:02:07,375
Why not?
1236
01:02:07,419 --> 01:02:08,855
It's just
another chronic illness
1237
01:02:08,899 --> 01:02:10,857
like many of the others we see
in the West.
1238
01:02:10,901 --> 01:02:12,293
Why couldn't you recover
from that?
1239
01:02:18,735 --> 01:02:21,520
If you looked at my life now,
1240
01:02:21,563 --> 01:02:25,611
it is unrecognisable
from my previous life.
1241
01:02:25,654 --> 01:02:27,265
I live
a pretty healthy lifestyle.
1242
01:02:27,308 --> 01:02:30,094
So I exercise every day
of the week,
1243
01:02:30,137 --> 01:02:32,792
plus walking to work and back.
1244
01:02:32,836 --> 01:02:34,533
I eat a plant-based
wholefood diet,
1245
01:02:34,576 --> 01:02:39,016
I eat a lot of fish, take
omega-3 supplements, vitamin D.
1246
01:02:42,933 --> 01:02:47,372
I'm perfectly happy to meditate
with my colleagues at work.
1247
01:02:47,415 --> 01:02:48,939
And, interestingly enough,
1248
01:02:48,982 --> 01:02:51,071
the whole organisation
at St Vincent's Hospital
1249
01:02:51,115 --> 01:02:53,030
is starting to embrace
meditation.
1250
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:00,907
When things go wrong,
I seek counselling,
1251
01:03:00,951 --> 01:03:03,780
I keep my diary,
1252
01:03:03,823 --> 01:03:07,435
I've got some really good
friends I can sit and talk to
1253
01:03:07,479 --> 01:03:10,047
and really close family
who really understand me.
1254
01:03:10,090 --> 01:03:13,267
So, all in all,
it's a whole lot easier
1255
01:03:13,311 --> 01:03:15,052
for me to stay
emotionally healthy now
1256
01:03:15,095 --> 01:03:16,923
than it was in other parts
of my life.
1257
01:03:21,101 --> 01:03:24,017
If you looked at the kind
of cards I was dealt,
1258
01:03:24,061 --> 01:03:29,153
then I think the average person
would have said that
1259
01:03:29,196 --> 01:03:34,854
that's a recipe for...
for a disastrous life.
1260
01:03:34,898 --> 01:03:38,815
And yet I don't
remotely feel like
1261
01:03:38,858 --> 01:03:41,861
I'm living the kind of
prescription that was delivered.
1262
01:03:41,905 --> 01:03:45,647
It's real hope that you can
end up perfectly well
1263
01:03:45,691 --> 01:03:48,868
after 10 or 15 years
with this illness.
1264
01:03:48,912 --> 01:03:50,652
I mean, I have.
1265
01:03:50,696 --> 01:03:53,046
Through the story
of George Jelenik,
1266
01:03:53,090 --> 01:03:55,919
a professor
of emergency medicine,
1267
01:03:55,962 --> 01:03:57,572
we have living proof
1268
01:03:57,616 --> 01:03:59,313
that your wellness
is determined
1269
01:03:59,357 --> 01:04:01,489
by far more than your genes,
1270
01:04:01,533 --> 01:04:03,578
that you can apply
the latest science
1271
01:04:03,622 --> 01:04:07,713
to change the way your chronic
illness affects your life.
1272
01:04:07,756 --> 01:04:10,281
But here at the frontier
of mind-body medicine,
1273
01:04:10,324 --> 01:04:12,805
it doesn't stop
at gene expression.
1274
01:04:12,849 --> 01:04:14,807
Thanks to the work
1275
01:04:14,851 --> 01:04:16,678
of a Nobel Prize-winning team
of researchers
1276
01:04:16,722 --> 01:04:18,680
from the University
of California,
1277
01:04:18,724 --> 01:04:20,508
we know that high levels
of stress
1278
01:04:20,552 --> 01:04:23,685
affect the rate your DNA ages.
1279
01:04:23,729 --> 01:04:25,687
They found, for example,
1280
01:04:25,731 --> 01:04:28,168
that women with the
highest levels of stress
in their lives
1281
01:04:28,212 --> 01:04:30,954
had about 10 years
of accelerated ageing
1282
01:04:30,997 --> 01:04:33,217
compared to low-stress women.
1283
01:04:33,260 --> 01:04:35,393
They measured this
by looking at telomeres.
1284
01:04:35,436 --> 01:04:37,395
These are little caps
1285
01:04:37,438 --> 01:04:39,571
that sit on the ends
of your DNA strands,
1286
01:04:39,614 --> 01:04:41,312
like the ends of shoelaces,
1287
01:04:41,355 --> 01:04:43,575
and guard
your genetic information.
1288
01:04:43,618 --> 01:04:46,273
As you age,
your telomeres get shorter,
1289
01:04:46,317 --> 01:04:49,233
and the shorter your telomeres,
the greater the risk
1290
01:04:49,276 --> 01:04:52,105
of illnesses
associated with ageing.
1291
01:04:52,149 --> 01:04:54,064
Shortened telomeres
have been linked
1292
01:04:54,107 --> 01:04:58,503
to increased risk of cancers,
heart disease and dementia.
1293
01:04:58,546 --> 01:05:00,548
But it's not too late.
1294
01:05:00,592 --> 01:05:02,811
A pilot study by Dr Dean Ornish
1295
01:05:02,855 --> 01:05:06,859
has shown that even this
is reversible.
1296
01:05:06,903 --> 01:05:09,818
DEAN ORNISH: When people went
through our lifestyle program,
1297
01:05:09,862 --> 01:05:11,559
which included
stress management,
1298
01:05:11,603 --> 01:05:15,041
exercise, a healthier diet
and more love and intimacy,
1299
01:05:15,085 --> 01:05:16,956
their telomeres
actually got longer,
1300
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:18,523
so their lives get longer.
1301
01:05:18,566 --> 01:05:21,308
It's still the only
intervention, including drugs,
1302
01:05:21,352 --> 01:05:23,528
that's been shown to actually
make your telomeres longer.
1303
01:05:23,571 --> 01:05:26,052
And I think these findings are
giving many people new hope
1304
01:05:26,096 --> 01:05:28,446
and new choices
that they didn't have before.
1305
01:05:28,489 --> 01:05:30,056
CRAIG HASSED: I just think
it's fascinating
1306
01:05:30,100 --> 01:05:31,666
to be thinking
you're sitting in a chair
1307
01:05:31,710 --> 01:05:33,842
practising a mind-body technique
like meditation
1308
01:05:33,886 --> 01:05:35,714
and you're doing genetic
engineering at the same time.
1309
01:05:35,757 --> 01:05:37,107
I find that extraordinary.
1310
01:05:39,283 --> 01:05:43,461
So how we feel and how we relate
to ourselves in the world
1311
01:05:43,504 --> 01:05:45,028
has an effect on our ageing
1312
01:05:45,071 --> 01:05:46,899
through a whole lot
of different mechanisms
1313
01:05:46,943 --> 01:05:48,945
from genetics to physiology,
1314
01:05:48,988 --> 01:05:51,077
for better or for worse,
1315
01:05:51,121 --> 01:05:53,079
and things accelerate ageing
1316
01:05:53,123 --> 01:05:54,820
and there are things
that slow it down,
1317
01:05:54,863 --> 01:05:56,604
and it's not surprising.
1318
01:05:56,648 --> 01:05:59,390
Having good emotional health,
1319
01:05:59,433 --> 01:06:02,001
coping well with demands
of day-to-day life,
1320
01:06:02,045 --> 01:06:04,090
leading a healthy lifestyle,
slow it down,
1321
01:06:04,134 --> 01:06:05,962
and the things
that we associate with
1322
01:06:06,005 --> 01:06:07,964
poor mental health
and an unhealthy lifestyle
1323
01:06:08,007 --> 01:06:10,096
speed it up.
1324
01:06:10,140 --> 01:06:12,838
It just depends on how fast
we want to burn the wick.
1325
01:06:12,881 --> 01:06:14,927
But if there was
a patentable product
1326
01:06:14,971 --> 01:06:16,668
that had those kinds of effects
1327
01:06:16,711 --> 01:06:18,148
we'd be all over it.
1328
01:06:18,191 --> 01:06:19,976
We'd be spending
billions of dollars on research
1329
01:06:20,019 --> 01:06:22,065
and rolling it out
in no time at all.
1330
01:06:22,108 --> 01:06:24,850
It's been nearly 10 years
1331
01:06:24,893 --> 01:06:27,940
since I was diagnosed
with an autoimmune disease,
1332
01:06:27,984 --> 01:06:30,987
a 3-year journey
to make this film.
1333
01:06:31,030 --> 01:06:33,119
I am not in a wheelchair.
1334
01:06:33,163 --> 01:06:35,208
I am not on medication.
1335
01:06:35,252 --> 01:06:38,124
I now see that
when it comes to my health,
1336
01:06:38,168 --> 01:06:40,170
balancing my mind and body
1337
01:06:40,213 --> 01:06:42,824
is as essential
as the air I breathe.
1338
01:06:42,868 --> 01:06:46,611
And in a strange way
I'm grateful for the illness
1339
01:06:46,654 --> 01:06:49,744
because, like so many other
people I've met along the way,
1340
01:06:49,788 --> 01:06:51,964
it wasn't until I got sick
1341
01:06:52,008 --> 01:06:55,924
that I realised
I needed to get better.
1342
01:06:55,968 --> 01:06:57,361
DEAN ORNISH: I can't tell you
1343
01:06:57,404 --> 01:06:59,058
how many patients
have said things to me
1344
01:06:59,102 --> 01:07:00,494
like, "Having a heart attack
1345
01:07:00,538 --> 01:07:02,322
"was the best thing
that ever happened to me,"
1346
01:07:02,366 --> 01:07:03,845
or, "Being diagnosed
with prostate cancer..."
1347
01:07:03,889 --> 01:07:05,760
You want to go,
"What? Are you nuts?"
1348
01:07:05,804 --> 01:07:07,806
And they say, "No, that's what
it took to get my attention
1349
01:07:07,849 --> 01:07:09,677
"to begin making these changes
in my life
1350
01:07:09,721 --> 01:07:12,245
"that have made it so much more
meaningful and beautiful
1351
01:07:12,289 --> 01:07:14,073
"that I might not have ever
done it otherwise."
1352
01:07:14,117 --> 01:07:16,075
They're spending more time
with their loved ones,
1353
01:07:16,119 --> 01:07:19,078
they're eating and exercising
more, so they feel better.
1354
01:07:19,122 --> 01:07:20,906
And so for me that's what...
1355
01:07:20,949 --> 01:07:22,690
I mean, we're all gonna die,
so...
1356
01:07:22,734 --> 01:07:25,389
More important than how long
we live is how well we live.
1357
01:07:27,130 --> 01:07:29,262
HERBERT BENSON:
For health and wellbeing
1358
01:07:29,306 --> 01:07:31,308
and to treat illnesses,
1359
01:07:31,351 --> 01:07:35,312
of course we need drugs,
of course we need surgeries,
1360
01:07:35,355 --> 01:07:38,532
but we also need
the power of the mind.
1361
01:07:38,576 --> 01:07:42,014
Now we have
the evidence-based proof
1362
01:07:42,058 --> 01:07:44,190
that the mind can heal,
1363
01:07:44,234 --> 01:07:47,454
and it should be added
appropriately
1364
01:07:47,498 --> 01:07:51,110
to drugs and surgeries.
1365
01:07:51,154 --> 01:07:54,940
DEAN ORNISH: I've spent my whole
life professionally documenting
1366
01:07:54,983 --> 01:07:57,682
what a powerful difference
these simple changes can make.
1367
01:07:57,725 --> 01:08:00,641
You know, we think
it has to be a new laser
1368
01:08:00,685 --> 01:08:02,643
or something really high-tech
and expensive -
1369
01:08:02,687 --> 01:08:04,863
a new drug,
a new surgical technique.
1370
01:08:04,906 --> 01:08:08,258
We are trying to show
that these very simple choices
1371
01:08:08,301 --> 01:08:09,998
that we make in our lives
each day
1372
01:08:10,042 --> 01:08:12,131
have a powerful impact
on our lives,
1373
01:08:12,175 --> 01:08:15,178
much more and much more quickly
than we had once realised,
1374
01:08:15,221 --> 01:08:16,962
for better and for worse.
1375
01:08:18,877 --> 01:08:20,357
JON KABAT-ZINN: Absolutely.
1376
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,055
We have much more to say
over how healthy we'll be
1377
01:08:23,099 --> 01:08:26,102
than our doctors,
and how we do that
1378
01:08:26,145 --> 01:08:28,278
whether it's though yoga,
whether it's through meditation,
1379
01:08:28,321 --> 01:08:30,149
whether it's through exercise,
1380
01:08:30,193 --> 01:08:32,151
whether it's through
changing our diets,
1381
01:08:32,195 --> 01:08:35,154
whether it's through
giving more...
1382
01:08:35,198 --> 01:08:37,156
..airtime to our relationships
1383
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,158
and appreciating
that our relationships
1384
01:08:39,202 --> 01:08:41,900
aren't, like, off to the side
someplace.
1385
01:08:41,943 --> 01:08:45,338
They're absolutely critical
to how well we will feel.
1386
01:08:47,166 --> 01:08:49,473
DAVID SPIEGEL: I believe
in the power of group support.
1387
01:08:49,516 --> 01:08:54,826
I have no doubt at all that
it helps people live better.
1388
01:08:54,869 --> 01:08:57,916
And we are not just
splendid individuals.
1389
01:08:57,959 --> 01:09:00,440
We define ourselves in part
by the people around us
1390
01:09:00,484 --> 01:09:02,312
and how they interact with us.
1391
01:09:02,355 --> 01:09:05,010
And so I have no doubt at all
1392
01:09:05,053 --> 01:09:06,751
that it helps people
live better,
1393
01:09:06,794 --> 01:09:08,970
and I think the evidence
is accumulating
1394
01:09:09,014 --> 01:09:10,972
that it helps them live longer
as well.
1395
01:09:13,888 --> 01:09:16,064
ALICE DOMAR: I know our mind
and body are connected.
1396
01:09:16,108 --> 01:09:18,502
I've had thousands of patients
get pregnant.
1397
01:09:18,545 --> 01:09:20,199
I know there's
a mind-body connection.
1398
01:09:20,243 --> 01:09:22,070
I've seen it,
I've done research on it.
1399
01:09:22,114 --> 01:09:23,855
It's a given.
1400
01:09:25,291 --> 01:09:26,771
ANDREW WEIL: I think
mind-body medicine
1401
01:09:26,814 --> 01:09:28,207
is central to good medicine.
1402
01:09:28,251 --> 01:09:30,253
In fact, you know,
one thing I often say
1403
01:09:30,296 --> 01:09:32,690
is that one day we'll be able
to drop the word 'integrative' -
1404
01:09:32,733 --> 01:09:35,649
this will just be good medicine.
1405
01:09:35,693 --> 01:09:39,087
There is no doubt that the mind
and the body are connected.
1406
01:09:39,131 --> 01:09:41,873
There is no doubt that
the brain and the immune system
1407
01:09:41,916 --> 01:09:44,005
and the rest of the body
are connected,
1408
01:09:44,049 --> 01:09:49,054
and that when those connections
are intact and in balance
1409
01:09:49,097 --> 01:09:50,534
you have health
1410
01:09:50,577 --> 01:09:52,666
and when they're broken
you have disease.
1411
01:09:52,710 --> 01:09:56,540
You can't always overcome
your genes.
1412
01:09:56,583 --> 01:09:59,717
You can't always overcome
your environment.
1413
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:01,849
But with help,
1414
01:10:01,893 --> 01:10:05,070
with an experienced practitioner
who can help guide you,
1415
01:10:05,113 --> 01:10:08,682
you can find the best formula
1416
01:10:08,726 --> 01:10:14,384
to help your body and your brain
to help you heal.
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