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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,357 --> 00:00:11,533 NARRATOR: We're in the midst 2 00:00:11,576 --> 00:00:13,317 of a chronic illness epidemic. 3 00:00:13,361 --> 00:00:17,191 Sicknesses like cancer, heart disease and diabetes 4 00:00:17,234 --> 00:00:18,757 are sweeping the world. 5 00:00:19,889 --> 00:00:21,630 There's a one-in-two chance 6 00:00:21,673 --> 00:00:23,762 you'll end up with a chronic illness. 7 00:00:23,806 --> 00:00:28,941 It's likely you know someone or you are someone who is sick. 8 00:00:28,985 --> 00:00:32,075 Diseases our grandparents have never heard of 9 00:00:32,119 --> 00:00:33,729 are becoming common. 10 00:00:33,772 --> 00:00:35,165 Mental illness. 11 00:00:35,209 --> 00:00:36,732 Autoimmune disease. 12 00:00:36,775 --> 00:00:38,473 Metabolic syndrome. 13 00:00:38,516 --> 00:00:41,215 These are modern sicknesses. 14 00:00:41,258 --> 00:00:45,523 They're not infectious, but they are spreading fast. 15 00:00:54,663 --> 00:00:57,231 I think we've been seeing a stress epidemic in our society 16 00:00:57,274 --> 00:00:58,797 for decades now, 17 00:00:58,841 --> 00:01:00,451 and it seems to be only accelerating 18 00:01:00,495 --> 00:01:02,366 as the pace of modern life is increasing. 19 00:01:04,542 --> 00:01:07,371 It was always obvious to the ancient wisdom traditions 20 00:01:07,415 --> 00:01:09,417 that mind and body were interconnected. 21 00:01:09,460 --> 00:01:12,898 But somewhere along the line we sort of created a dichotomy 22 00:01:12,942 --> 00:01:14,509 as if they were separate. 23 00:01:16,989 --> 00:01:18,730 We came to believe 24 00:01:18,774 --> 00:01:20,689 that everything could be cured 25 00:01:20,732 --> 00:01:23,909 by drugs and surgeries, 26 00:01:23,953 --> 00:01:26,042 whereas, to this day, they can't. 27 00:01:26,086 --> 00:01:30,655 When we talk about much of mind-body phenomena, 28 00:01:30,699 --> 00:01:32,353 we're talking about the non-physical mind 29 00:01:32,396 --> 00:01:33,876 affecting the physical body. 30 00:01:33,919 --> 00:01:35,312 That's not allowed for 31 00:01:35,356 --> 00:01:36,879 in the Western scientific paradigm. 32 00:01:39,621 --> 00:01:42,319 And we now understand these concepts 33 00:01:42,363 --> 00:01:44,974 that were rejected by academic medicine. 34 00:01:47,455 --> 00:01:49,239 So, this is something that actually has 35 00:01:49,283 --> 00:01:51,241 enormous implications. 36 00:01:57,682 --> 00:02:00,816 Modern science has shown us 37 00:02:00,859 --> 00:02:04,298 that the mind has the power to heal. 38 00:02:05,386 --> 00:02:07,388 We should use that capacity. 39 00:02:17,311 --> 00:02:21,141 I was 24 when I got my first break in journalism. 40 00:02:21,184 --> 00:02:23,534 My life became focused on deadlines 41 00:02:23,578 --> 00:02:25,536 and chasing stories 42 00:02:25,580 --> 00:02:28,191 that took me away from my family and friends. 43 00:02:28,235 --> 00:02:31,151 Then everything changed. 44 00:02:31,194 --> 00:02:35,155 I was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease. 45 00:02:35,198 --> 00:02:37,374 One doctor warned I could end up in a wheelchair 46 00:02:37,418 --> 00:02:39,768 or with organ failure. 47 00:02:39,811 --> 00:02:42,814 Over the next six years I spent $30,000 48 00:02:42,858 --> 00:02:45,948 on numerous specialist doctors, constant tests, 49 00:02:45,991 --> 00:02:48,211 drugs and alternative therapies. 50 00:02:48,255 --> 00:02:53,216 I was flat with fatigue and riddled with arthritis. 51 00:02:53,260 --> 00:02:56,045 No-one could tell me why my immune system 52 00:02:56,088 --> 00:02:57,960 was attacking my own body. 53 00:02:58,003 --> 00:03:01,181 But there was one thing I did know. 54 00:03:01,224 --> 00:03:05,097 The more I was stressed, the worse I felt. 55 00:03:05,141 --> 00:03:08,840 I knew there had to be a connection. 56 00:03:08,884 --> 00:03:11,060 On my journey to getting better 57 00:03:11,103 --> 00:03:13,628 I travelled the world to find answers, 58 00:03:13,671 --> 00:03:15,456 meeting some of the leading experts 59 00:03:15,499 --> 00:03:17,371 at the frontier of science, 60 00:03:17,414 --> 00:03:21,375 and tracking down people with remarkable stories of recovery. 61 00:03:21,418 --> 00:03:25,596 This is the film I wanted to see when I got sick. 62 00:03:33,300 --> 00:03:35,084 In the older days 63 00:03:35,127 --> 00:03:37,782 there was no separation of mind and body. 64 00:03:37,826 --> 00:03:39,262 In fact, throughout the world, 65 00:03:39,306 --> 00:03:42,091 many cultures have never separated them - 66 00:03:42,134 --> 00:03:44,093 in the East, for example. 67 00:03:44,136 --> 00:03:50,099 But our scientific approaches 68 00:03:50,142 --> 00:03:52,710 were so awesome 69 00:03:52,754 --> 00:03:57,019 that they overwhelmed any mind-body approaches 70 00:03:57,062 --> 00:03:59,456 or any mind-body potentials. 71 00:03:59,500 --> 00:04:04,026 In Western science, unless you see it, it isn't real. 72 00:04:04,069 --> 00:04:06,246 Unless you can measure it, it isn't real. 73 00:04:06,289 --> 00:04:08,770 And that's what allowed the huge advances 74 00:04:08,813 --> 00:04:10,641 in modern medicine and science - 75 00:04:10,685 --> 00:04:13,122 the ability to do these amazing things 76 00:04:13,165 --> 00:04:15,559 that we can do with cures today. 77 00:04:17,692 --> 00:04:20,695 And we now understand these concepts 78 00:04:20,738 --> 00:04:23,175 that were rejected by academic medicine 79 00:04:23,219 --> 00:04:25,308 because we didn't understand them. 80 00:04:25,352 --> 00:04:28,311 We understand them now in the language of science. 81 00:04:28,355 --> 00:04:31,314 And now where we're at is we can take these principles 82 00:04:31,358 --> 00:04:35,797 and apply them to clinical care, to the next phase, 83 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:39,322 the next new frontier, which is integrative medicine. 84 00:04:39,366 --> 00:04:41,106 The body is always responding 85 00:04:41,150 --> 00:04:43,544 to whatever the mind tells it to do. 86 00:04:43,587 --> 00:04:45,937 So when the mind's tense, the body's tense. 87 00:04:45,981 --> 00:04:47,548 When the mind's happy, the body's happy. 88 00:04:47,591 --> 00:04:50,420 So the body is always responding, 89 00:04:50,464 --> 00:04:52,988 not just in ways in terms of our physical tensions, 90 00:04:53,031 --> 00:04:54,859 like the tensions of the muscles, 91 00:04:54,903 --> 00:04:57,427 but even right down to the very core of our souls, 92 00:04:57,471 --> 00:04:59,734 even what's happening in the level of our DNA. 93 00:04:59,777 --> 00:05:01,301 And what's really been interesting 94 00:05:01,344 --> 00:05:04,608 in the last five, 10 years is really understanding 95 00:05:04,652 --> 00:05:07,568 that it really is a lot of two-way connections. 96 00:05:07,611 --> 00:05:10,135 And there's a lot of molecules that we always have thought of 97 00:05:10,179 --> 00:05:12,529 as just in the body, and we're recognising 98 00:05:12,573 --> 00:05:15,532 that they actually also play roles in the brain, 99 00:05:15,576 --> 00:05:19,101 and that the brain can also influence the body 100 00:05:19,144 --> 00:05:20,929 at even a very cellular level. 101 00:05:20,972 --> 00:05:24,715 All these terms, I think, are approaching the same idea, 102 00:05:24,759 --> 00:05:26,891 that the mind is not separate from the body. 103 00:05:26,935 --> 00:05:29,241 In fact, my belief is that the only way 104 00:05:29,285 --> 00:05:31,940 you can really separate mind and body is verbally - 105 00:05:31,983 --> 00:05:35,160 that they're two aspects of the same underlying reality, 106 00:05:35,204 --> 00:05:37,119 or two poles of the same thing. 107 00:05:42,559 --> 00:05:45,736 Here's what we know about the mind-body connection. 108 00:05:45,780 --> 00:05:47,999 You may be familiar with the idea 109 00:05:48,043 --> 00:05:50,828 that your brain is like a central message centre, 110 00:05:50,872 --> 00:05:54,615 sending and receiving electrical and chemical signals 111 00:05:54,658 --> 00:05:56,443 all over your body. 112 00:05:56,486 --> 00:05:59,359 And now scientists are starting to understand 113 00:05:59,402 --> 00:06:02,405 that the communication between your brain and body 114 00:06:02,449 --> 00:06:05,887 is far more significant than they once realised. 115 00:06:05,930 --> 00:06:08,019 For example, 116 00:06:08,063 --> 00:06:10,761 over 60 neurotransmitter and hormonal receptors 117 00:06:10,805 --> 00:06:13,895 have been found on the surface of immune cells 118 00:06:13,938 --> 00:06:16,376 designed for fighting disease. 119 00:06:16,419 --> 00:06:18,726 Your brain has a direct connection 120 00:06:18,769 --> 00:06:21,511 to your body's first line of defence, 121 00:06:21,555 --> 00:06:24,253 and those cells can talk back. 122 00:06:24,296 --> 00:06:26,429 In another major breakthrough, 123 00:06:26,473 --> 00:06:29,911 scientists have discovered around 80 million neurons 124 00:06:29,954 --> 00:06:31,608 in your gut. 125 00:06:31,652 --> 00:06:33,218 They're calling it the second brain 126 00:06:33,262 --> 00:06:35,351 because while it talks to the brain 127 00:06:35,395 --> 00:06:39,094 it can also act completely independently 128 00:06:39,137 --> 00:06:41,488 and influence behaviour. 129 00:06:41,531 --> 00:06:44,882 So rather than there being a mind in your head, 130 00:06:44,926 --> 00:06:48,669 it's more like your mind is all through your body. 131 00:06:48,712 --> 00:06:50,497 But the easiest way to understand 132 00:06:50,540 --> 00:06:52,542 how your mind affects your health 133 00:06:52,586 --> 00:06:54,675 is by looking at stress. 134 00:06:54,718 --> 00:06:56,807 So if we think that we're... 135 00:06:56,851 --> 00:06:59,549 Imagine ourselves walking through a jungle, 136 00:06:59,593 --> 00:07:02,465 and out comes a tiger, and it's a very hungry tiger. 137 00:07:02,509 --> 00:07:04,685 We activate the fight-or-flight response. 138 00:07:04,728 --> 00:07:07,122 We've got to fight with the tiger or we've got to fly, 139 00:07:07,165 --> 00:07:08,950 get out of danger really fast. 140 00:07:08,993 --> 00:07:10,821 So if we think about this stress 141 00:07:10,865 --> 00:07:13,258 or fight-or-flight response as an activation response, 142 00:07:13,302 --> 00:07:15,478 like a turbo charge of energy, 143 00:07:15,522 --> 00:07:18,438 the body going into a different gear, then it makes sense. 144 00:07:18,481 --> 00:07:20,875 So the heart rate, the blood pressure, 145 00:07:20,918 --> 00:07:22,877 the blood vessels to the muscles open up 146 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,661 to get all of this extra fuel, 147 00:07:24,705 --> 00:07:26,663 sugars and fats are pumping into the bloodstream, 148 00:07:26,707 --> 00:07:29,492 the respiratory drive kicks in in the brain. 149 00:07:29,536 --> 00:07:31,538 We start to sweat to keep ourselves cool 150 00:07:31,581 --> 00:07:33,409 while we're exerting ourselves. 151 00:07:33,453 --> 00:07:35,193 Our blood gets thick and sticky 152 00:07:35,237 --> 00:07:37,021 and will clot faster than normal, 153 00:07:37,065 --> 00:07:39,067 and the body pumps out inflammatory chemicals 154 00:07:39,110 --> 00:07:40,721 to activate our immune cells 155 00:07:40,764 --> 00:07:42,853 and to start mobilising for tissue repair. 156 00:07:42,897 --> 00:07:44,638 The attention centre in the brain 157 00:07:44,681 --> 00:07:46,335 lights up like a Christmas tree. 158 00:07:46,378 --> 00:07:48,250 This is a major physiological, neurological, 159 00:07:48,293 --> 00:07:51,079 immunological, metabolic change in our system. 160 00:07:51,122 --> 00:07:53,168 And it's designed to help us to adapt 161 00:07:53,211 --> 00:07:55,300 to a clearly perceived present-moment threat 162 00:07:55,344 --> 00:07:57,302 in the environment. 163 00:07:57,346 --> 00:07:59,740 And it's the kind of thing that's there to save our life, 164 00:07:59,783 --> 00:08:01,437 not to make us sick. 165 00:08:01,481 --> 00:08:03,831 Unfortunately, 99% of the tigers we're running from 166 00:08:03,874 --> 00:08:06,224 are the ones that are actually in our minds, 167 00:08:06,268 --> 00:08:08,096 not the ones that are really there. 168 00:08:08,139 --> 00:08:10,402 And when we do that over the long term, 169 00:08:10,446 --> 00:08:12,492 it produces an effect that's called allostatic load. 170 00:08:12,535 --> 00:08:14,363 It's a physiological wear and tear 171 00:08:14,406 --> 00:08:16,104 that we place on our system. 172 00:08:16,147 --> 00:08:18,019 It's like getting the car 173 00:08:18,062 --> 00:08:19,977 and just absolutely flogging it like crazy. 174 00:08:20,021 --> 00:08:21,544 And if you asked your mechanic, 175 00:08:21,588 --> 00:08:23,415 are your repair bills going to go up? 176 00:08:23,459 --> 00:08:25,243 He'd say, "If you drive your car like that, 177 00:08:25,287 --> 00:08:26,984 "your repair bills will go up 178 00:08:27,028 --> 00:08:29,073 "and your parts will wear out faster." 179 00:08:29,117 --> 00:08:30,814 It's pretty much like that with our bodies. 180 00:08:40,607 --> 00:08:44,262 My name's Craig Duncan. I'm from Sydney, Australia. 181 00:08:44,306 --> 00:08:47,744 I'm a nonsmoker, nondrinker. 182 00:08:47,788 --> 00:08:50,965 I'm active and exercise most days of the week, 183 00:08:51,008 --> 00:08:53,010 and have for a long period of time. 184 00:08:53,054 --> 00:08:55,752 I'm a vegetarian as well. 185 00:08:58,625 --> 00:09:01,366 I was working for a professional soccer team, 186 00:09:01,410 --> 00:09:03,368 in charge of the sports science. 187 00:09:04,456 --> 00:09:06,241 I was under enormous stress, 188 00:09:06,284 --> 00:09:09,157 and I had been for a long, long time. 189 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:10,985 A lot of it's self-imposed - 190 00:09:11,028 --> 00:09:15,032 just rushing around at a million miles an hour. 191 00:09:15,076 --> 00:09:19,646 I was frustrated and unhappy in what I was doing, 192 00:09:19,689 --> 00:09:21,517 and that was difficult. 193 00:09:21,561 --> 00:09:25,260 I was struggling to sleep, or sleep well. 194 00:09:25,303 --> 00:09:28,611 And I just... 195 00:09:28,655 --> 00:09:31,092 Even though I might be healthy on the outside, 196 00:09:31,135 --> 00:09:35,313 exercising and that, it all became too much. 197 00:09:41,450 --> 00:09:45,933 I was at the gym and I was lifting weights, 198 00:09:45,976 --> 00:09:48,675 and at the time I didn't know anything had really gone amiss. 199 00:09:55,116 --> 00:09:58,423 It wasn't till that afternoon that I went for a run 200 00:09:58,467 --> 00:10:00,208 and got chest pain. 201 00:10:00,251 --> 00:10:02,689 And again, didn't think too much of it. 202 00:10:02,732 --> 00:10:07,345 But in the next couple of days I continued to try and run, 203 00:10:07,389 --> 00:10:08,999 and the chest pain got more and more, 204 00:10:09,043 --> 00:10:11,262 and pain down my arm and in the jaw - 205 00:10:11,306 --> 00:10:13,656 the classical heart attack symptoms. 206 00:10:13,700 --> 00:10:17,573 And that's when I realised that I had a real problem. 207 00:10:22,012 --> 00:10:23,927 When I went into emergency, 208 00:10:23,971 --> 00:10:26,234 even though the emergency ward was packed, 209 00:10:26,277 --> 00:10:28,062 they took me straight in. 210 00:10:28,105 --> 00:10:29,890 And when they did some tests, 211 00:10:29,933 --> 00:10:32,632 it was obvious that I'd had a heart attack. 212 00:10:32,675 --> 00:10:35,722 I had a spontaneous coronary artery dissection, 213 00:10:35,765 --> 00:10:38,420 and when I looked up the literature, 214 00:10:38,463 --> 00:10:41,075 there had only been 150 cases reported, 215 00:10:41,118 --> 00:10:43,077 and most people die. 216 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,906 And that's...that's frightening. 217 00:10:47,037 --> 00:10:48,996 I had no risk factors. 218 00:10:49,039 --> 00:10:51,389 My cholesterol was normal and my blood pressure was normal. 219 00:10:51,433 --> 00:10:54,175 I'd recently had an ECG. That was OK. 220 00:10:54,218 --> 00:10:56,003 Never had chest pain. 221 00:10:56,046 --> 00:10:58,222 Didn't have any family history of heart disease. 222 00:10:58,266 --> 00:11:02,487 But yeah, I was under a lot of stress, 223 00:11:02,531 --> 00:11:04,402 and I think that contributed. 224 00:11:04,446 --> 00:11:06,187 There's no doubt about that. 225 00:11:06,230 --> 00:11:08,972 If I let my stress and my emotions get out of control 226 00:11:09,016 --> 00:11:11,758 and am not in control of my life, 227 00:11:11,801 --> 00:11:14,325 there's no doubt it could happen again. 228 00:11:14,369 --> 00:11:18,765 And I really am not ready to not be here. 229 00:11:23,465 --> 00:11:27,730 CRAIG HASSED: If you help a person to manage stress better 230 00:11:27,774 --> 00:11:30,080 then you significantly reduce the risk 231 00:11:30,124 --> 00:11:32,779 of a person having further cardiac events 232 00:11:32,822 --> 00:11:34,955 in the progression of heart disease. 233 00:11:34,998 --> 00:11:36,608 These are all reversible effects 234 00:11:36,652 --> 00:11:38,610 if we learn how to recognise 235 00:11:38,654 --> 00:11:40,612 the inappropriate activation of that response 236 00:11:40,656 --> 00:11:43,615 and learn to switch it off when it's not actually required. 237 00:11:43,659 --> 00:11:45,617 Then these effects 238 00:11:45,661 --> 00:11:48,403 will start to reverse themselves right through the body, 239 00:11:48,446 --> 00:11:50,492 and interestingly in the brain as well. 240 00:11:55,018 --> 00:11:57,847 HERBERT BENSON: And I think the major breakthrough 241 00:11:57,891 --> 00:12:03,113 was recognising that the body has a capacity 242 00:12:03,157 --> 00:12:05,768 opposite to the stress response. 243 00:12:05,812 --> 00:12:09,554 That's what we've called the relaxation response. 244 00:12:12,209 --> 00:12:13,820 We did an experiment 245 00:12:13,863 --> 00:12:16,823 in which we took people who meditated, 246 00:12:16,866 --> 00:12:21,088 and we found there were dramatic physiologic changes. 247 00:12:21,131 --> 00:12:23,960 And the essence of those changes 248 00:12:24,004 --> 00:12:27,572 are a decreased metabolism in the body, 249 00:12:27,616 --> 00:12:29,313 a quieting of the body. 250 00:12:29,357 --> 00:12:32,577 There's decreased heart rate, decreased rate of breathing, 251 00:12:32,621 --> 00:12:34,275 slower brain waves. 252 00:12:34,318 --> 00:12:37,060 So here was a reaction 253 00:12:37,104 --> 00:12:42,762 exactly opposite to the stress response. 254 00:12:42,805 --> 00:12:44,372 This now was science. 255 00:12:44,415 --> 00:12:48,811 Here was something measurable, predictable 256 00:12:48,855 --> 00:12:50,334 and reproducible. 257 00:12:55,426 --> 00:12:58,603 CRAIG DUNCAN: If you do not have your mind 258 00:12:58,647 --> 00:13:00,431 in some sort of balance 259 00:13:00,475 --> 00:13:02,825 it doesn't matter how healthy your body is. 260 00:13:05,262 --> 00:13:08,526 I really had to use breathing techniques 261 00:13:08,570 --> 00:13:12,400 and different forms of meditation that have helped me 262 00:13:12,443 --> 00:13:14,750 to just stay calm. 263 00:13:14,794 --> 00:13:16,186 That's it. 264 00:13:16,230 --> 00:13:18,058 But I suppose the overriding thing 265 00:13:18,101 --> 00:13:22,018 that's helped me to stay healthy and to decrease the stress, 266 00:13:22,062 --> 00:13:24,629 I have to pray regularly. 267 00:13:27,676 --> 00:13:31,245 If I'm praying, for me, it brings a calmness. 268 00:13:31,288 --> 00:13:34,204 It centres me. 269 00:13:34,248 --> 00:13:36,903 HERBERT BENSON: The two basic features 270 00:13:36,946 --> 00:13:39,862 of evoking the relaxation response 271 00:13:39,906 --> 00:13:42,082 are repetition 272 00:13:42,125 --> 00:13:45,259 and the disregard of other thoughts when they come to mind. 273 00:13:45,302 --> 00:13:47,435 And what those two things do 274 00:13:47,478 --> 00:13:50,003 is break the train of everyday thinking. 275 00:13:50,046 --> 00:13:54,572 And often that everyday thinking is what's stressful. 276 00:13:54,616 --> 00:13:58,402 It's not a real sabre-tooth tiger in front of you. 277 00:13:58,446 --> 00:14:00,187 It's your fear of losing your job, 278 00:14:00,230 --> 00:14:02,929 it's your fear of illness or what have you. 279 00:14:06,410 --> 00:14:11,024 Then we return to the literatures of the world 280 00:14:11,067 --> 00:14:13,287 to see whether these two steps 281 00:14:13,330 --> 00:14:15,898 that are breaking the train of everyday thinking 282 00:14:15,942 --> 00:14:18,596 had been described before. 283 00:14:20,381 --> 00:14:24,951 And every single culture of humankind 284 00:14:24,994 --> 00:14:27,954 that had a history had these two steps. 285 00:14:27,997 --> 00:14:30,739 There's a commonality. 286 00:14:30,782 --> 00:14:35,265 So if a person argues, "My technique, my religion, 287 00:14:35,309 --> 00:14:39,313 "is better for bringing this forth than another," 288 00:14:39,356 --> 00:14:43,447 it's foolish, because it's a bodily response. 289 00:14:51,020 --> 00:14:55,764 Just as there are scores of techniques that are stressful - 290 00:14:55,807 --> 00:14:58,245 same fight-or-flight response - 291 00:14:58,288 --> 00:15:00,900 so there are scores of approaches 292 00:15:00,943 --> 00:15:03,032 that evoke the relaxation response. 293 00:15:19,048 --> 00:15:21,050 One way scientists teach people 294 00:15:21,094 --> 00:15:23,096 to evoke the relaxation response 295 00:15:23,139 --> 00:15:25,750 is to train people to meditate 296 00:15:25,794 --> 00:15:29,319 by focusing their attention on just one thing. 297 00:15:29,363 --> 00:15:31,713 With practice they become inwardly aware 298 00:15:31,756 --> 00:15:34,237 and focused on the present moment. 299 00:15:34,281 --> 00:15:36,805 And now, with the development 300 00:15:36,848 --> 00:15:39,068 of modern brain imaging technology, 301 00:15:39,112 --> 00:15:41,070 researchers are starting to understand 302 00:15:41,114 --> 00:15:45,031 the biological mechanisms underpinning the practice. 303 00:15:45,074 --> 00:15:46,858 While to an outsider 304 00:15:46,902 --> 00:15:50,123 it looks like a person meditating isn't doing much, 305 00:15:50,166 --> 00:15:54,214 it turns out there's a lot happening in their brain. 306 00:15:56,433 --> 00:15:59,175 The really wonderful thing about MRI 307 00:15:59,219 --> 00:16:01,656 is that it lets us look at the human brain 308 00:16:01,699 --> 00:16:03,875 in a way that we couldn't before. 309 00:16:03,919 --> 00:16:07,357 Most of the work that we've done centres on how meditation 310 00:16:07,401 --> 00:16:10,360 can change the actual structure of the brain. 311 00:16:10,404 --> 00:16:12,275 So the research shows that 312 00:16:12,319 --> 00:16:15,365 a part of the brain called the amygdala gets turned down. 313 00:16:15,409 --> 00:16:17,019 And the amygdala is important 314 00:16:17,063 --> 00:16:18,673 for the fight-or-flight response. 315 00:16:18,716 --> 00:16:22,938 So when you see something scary, 316 00:16:22,982 --> 00:16:24,635 for instance, if you're walking in the woods 317 00:16:24,679 --> 00:16:27,464 and you suddenly see a snake out of the corner of your eye, 318 00:16:27,508 --> 00:16:29,466 your amygdala's going to alert you and say, 319 00:16:29,510 --> 00:16:31,251 "Oh!" and make you jump. 320 00:16:31,294 --> 00:16:33,166 And that part of the brain 321 00:16:33,209 --> 00:16:35,429 seems to get quieter as you meditate. 322 00:16:35,472 --> 00:16:38,649 And so this is consistent with a sense of decreased arousal 323 00:16:38,693 --> 00:16:40,651 and greater feelings of peace. 324 00:16:42,349 --> 00:16:45,047 Brain imaging technology is relatively new 325 00:16:45,091 --> 00:16:47,876 in the context of scientific discovery, 326 00:16:47,919 --> 00:16:50,313 and it's early days for mind-body research. 327 00:16:50,357 --> 00:16:54,491 But Dr Sara Lazar's Harvard study on meditating people 328 00:16:54,535 --> 00:16:57,842 has interesting parallels with studies recently done on mice 329 00:16:57,886 --> 00:17:00,889 at the National Centre for Biological Sciences. 330 00:17:00,932 --> 00:17:03,109 Researchers took normal mice 331 00:17:03,152 --> 00:17:05,459 and stressed them out for two hours a day. 332 00:17:05,502 --> 00:17:07,330 When they measured their brains 333 00:17:07,374 --> 00:17:09,463 they found the amygdala got bigger. 334 00:17:09,506 --> 00:17:12,292 After 10 days, they left the mice alone, 335 00:17:12,335 --> 00:17:14,076 but two weeks later 336 00:17:14,120 --> 00:17:16,731 they observed they were still acting anxiously. 337 00:17:16,774 --> 00:17:18,994 They measured their brains again, 338 00:17:19,038 --> 00:17:21,083 and although their stressors had been removed, 339 00:17:21,127 --> 00:17:25,609 they found the mice's amygdala were still large. 340 00:17:28,134 --> 00:17:30,005 This is the opposite of what we're seeing 341 00:17:30,049 --> 00:17:31,572 with people who meditate. 342 00:17:31,615 --> 00:17:34,096 Their life is exactly the same as it's always been. 343 00:17:34,140 --> 00:17:36,403 So they still have a stressful job, 344 00:17:36,446 --> 00:17:38,883 all the difficult people in life are still being difficult, 345 00:17:38,927 --> 00:17:41,103 but their amygdala has gotten smaller 346 00:17:41,147 --> 00:17:43,105 and they're reporting less stress. 347 00:17:43,149 --> 00:17:44,889 So it shows in both cases 348 00:17:44,933 --> 00:17:47,066 that it's not so much the environment 349 00:17:47,109 --> 00:17:48,980 but your reaction to the environment, 350 00:17:49,024 --> 00:17:51,200 and how you're relating to the events 351 00:17:51,244 --> 00:17:53,115 and the people in your life. 352 00:17:53,159 --> 00:17:55,465 And so it's not about changing your life, 353 00:17:55,509 --> 00:17:57,641 it's about changing your relationship to your life. 354 00:18:11,046 --> 00:18:12,569 My name is Jason Wachob. 355 00:18:12,613 --> 00:18:14,745 I live here in Brooklyn, New York. 356 00:18:16,225 --> 00:18:18,009 My back pain probably started 357 00:18:18,053 --> 00:18:19,794 in 1996, 358 00:18:19,837 --> 00:18:22,797 when I was playing basketball at Columbia. 359 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:27,236 After I paid off the mountain of college debt that I accrued, 360 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,891 I got into start-ups. 361 00:18:29,934 --> 00:18:33,024 I love being an entrepreneur and I love start-ups, 362 00:18:33,068 --> 00:18:35,201 but there's also the pressure 363 00:18:35,244 --> 00:18:37,725 that you're constantly trying to grow, 364 00:18:37,768 --> 00:18:39,727 and you're never growing fast enough. 365 00:18:39,770 --> 00:18:42,121 And you're trying to raise capital 366 00:18:42,164 --> 00:18:44,166 and you're trying to make money and you have investors 367 00:18:44,210 --> 00:18:45,907 and you're trying to pick up business. 368 00:18:45,950 --> 00:18:49,780 And it's a frenetic pace, and that can be stressful. 369 00:18:52,218 --> 00:18:53,871 I think I internalise stress. 370 00:18:53,915 --> 00:18:56,961 At least, that's what my wife says. 371 00:18:57,005 --> 00:18:59,138 So I'm not a yeller or a screamer. 372 00:18:59,181 --> 00:19:01,749 People think I'm very even-keeled, 373 00:19:01,792 --> 00:19:04,404 which I think I am, but I think I internalise it. 374 00:19:04,447 --> 00:19:06,362 I think most...a lot of people internalise stress, 375 00:19:06,406 --> 00:19:08,103 and stress manifests itself. 376 00:19:08,147 --> 00:19:11,193 And I think one of the ways it manifested itself for me, 377 00:19:11,237 --> 00:19:14,022 at this time of my life, was through my back. 378 00:19:22,291 --> 00:19:24,467 I would wake up without pain, 379 00:19:24,511 --> 00:19:27,601 and as soon as I got out of the bed, within five or ten minutes, 380 00:19:27,644 --> 00:19:29,211 I would have shooting pain. 381 00:19:29,255 --> 00:19:32,823 I could not walk more than a block 382 00:19:32,867 --> 00:19:35,043 without keeling over in pain. 383 00:19:36,479 --> 00:19:39,090 It started to wear me down, I think. 384 00:19:39,134 --> 00:19:42,964 And then you're stressed about the pain, 385 00:19:43,007 --> 00:19:46,402 so it's kind of a vicious cycle that you catch yourself in. 386 00:19:48,274 --> 00:19:52,191 I went to see two different doctors, specialists, 387 00:19:52,234 --> 00:19:55,194 and both of them told me I needed back surgery. 388 00:19:57,413 --> 00:19:59,676 However, the second doctor said, 389 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,244 "You may want to practise yoga. That may help." 390 00:20:02,288 --> 00:20:03,985 He said... It was like an afterthought. 391 00:20:04,028 --> 00:20:08,816 So as a last-ditch effort, I started to practise yoga. 392 00:20:15,170 --> 00:20:16,954 The work that I do 393 00:20:16,998 --> 00:20:22,395 revolves around the clinic that I started 34 years ago now 394 00:20:22,438 --> 00:20:25,398 called the Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction Clinic, 395 00:20:25,441 --> 00:20:26,921 or MBSR. 396 00:20:29,228 --> 00:20:32,405 I was having lunch with a bunch of dermatologists, 397 00:20:32,448 --> 00:20:34,972 and they were talking about some of their patients 398 00:20:35,016 --> 00:20:37,975 giving up on their treatments in the dermatology clinic, 399 00:20:38,019 --> 00:20:40,761 particularly patients with the skin disease psoriasis. 400 00:20:40,804 --> 00:20:42,763 And the treatment for it 401 00:20:42,806 --> 00:20:46,593 was a course of ultraviolet light therapy. 402 00:20:49,726 --> 00:20:51,989 We did a small randomised trial 403 00:20:52,033 --> 00:20:54,253 that compared people just getting the light treatment 404 00:20:54,296 --> 00:20:55,906 with people meditating 405 00:20:55,950 --> 00:20:57,908 while they were getting the light treatment 406 00:20:57,952 --> 00:20:59,519 and it turned out the meditators' skin cleared 407 00:20:59,562 --> 00:21:02,783 at about four times the rate of the non-meditators. 408 00:21:02,826 --> 00:21:06,613 And I didn't believe it. It was such a powerful finding. 409 00:21:06,656 --> 00:21:10,356 So we replicated it and tried to make 410 00:21:10,399 --> 00:21:13,707 a little bit more rigorous study design, 411 00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:18,233 and lo and behold, again the meditators were healing 412 00:21:18,277 --> 00:21:21,062 four times as fast as the non-meditators. 413 00:21:23,847 --> 00:21:27,373 And it is a beautiful example of the mind-body connection, 414 00:21:27,416 --> 00:21:30,767 because you're doing something with your mind 415 00:21:30,811 --> 00:21:33,944 and something is happening in the skin. 416 00:21:33,988 --> 00:21:35,903 So it just doesn't get any better than that. 417 00:21:42,083 --> 00:21:46,087 I think yoga is the perfect blend of mental and physical 418 00:21:46,130 --> 00:21:48,089 if you're doing it right. 419 00:21:48,132 --> 00:21:53,790 You're moving, and you're really paying attention to your breath. 420 00:21:53,834 --> 00:21:58,317 And for me that's just magical because yoga turns into 421 00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:01,015 meditation in motion, essentially. 422 00:22:07,151 --> 00:22:09,719 I basically twice a day, every day, 423 00:22:09,763 --> 00:22:14,333 for about 15 or 20 minutes in the morning and the evening 424 00:22:14,376 --> 00:22:17,901 I would do these four or five poses religiously every day. 425 00:22:17,945 --> 00:22:19,599 Like, I would just find a spot, 426 00:22:19,642 --> 00:22:21,862 and maybe do a third time or a fourth time, 427 00:22:21,905 --> 00:22:23,559 do what I needed to do. 428 00:22:23,603 --> 00:22:25,866 And it just started to work. 429 00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:28,303 After a week I started to feel better, 430 00:22:28,347 --> 00:22:30,174 and after three or four weeks 431 00:22:30,218 --> 00:22:33,134 I could literally start to feel my spine sort of move 432 00:22:33,177 --> 00:22:34,918 and work itself out. 433 00:22:43,753 --> 00:22:47,061 And then I started to take classes, 434 00:22:47,104 --> 00:22:50,717 and, you know, there's a great instructor here, Tara Stiles, 435 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,545 who I started to go to her class, 436 00:22:52,588 --> 00:22:54,808 and she helped me, like, take it to another level. 437 00:22:54,851 --> 00:22:58,812 And the back pain's gone and it hasn't come back. 438 00:23:00,901 --> 00:23:05,079 Through practising with them, everything went away, 439 00:23:05,122 --> 00:23:08,125 and to me it's just... it's just magical. 440 00:23:08,169 --> 00:23:11,433 Like, I am sold on yoga and its healing power. 441 00:23:13,435 --> 00:23:15,872 JON KABAT-ZINN: I mean, that's one of the beauties of yoga. 442 00:23:15,916 --> 00:23:18,309 You get down on the floor and start working with your body 443 00:23:18,353 --> 00:23:20,442 in a kind of a way, systematically, 444 00:23:20,486 --> 00:23:23,445 over a period of time, 445 00:23:23,489 --> 00:23:25,882 and it's, like, you feel so good. 446 00:23:25,926 --> 00:23:27,667 It's like you didn't even realise. 447 00:23:27,710 --> 00:23:29,364 And it's not like callisthenics 448 00:23:29,408 --> 00:23:32,498 and it's not like, you know, intense aerobic activity, 449 00:23:32,541 --> 00:23:34,108 although it could be. 450 00:23:34,151 --> 00:23:36,806 But there's just this sense of, again, integration, 451 00:23:36,850 --> 00:23:38,939 that you are at one with your body, 452 00:23:38,982 --> 00:23:42,856 and isn't it amazing what it actually does? 453 00:23:42,899 --> 00:23:45,119 So a question I frequently get is, 454 00:23:45,162 --> 00:23:48,862 "Well, you know, meditation or yoga, it's about attention. 455 00:23:48,905 --> 00:23:50,864 "But what about other activities 456 00:23:50,907 --> 00:23:52,822 "that require a lot of attention?" 457 00:23:52,866 --> 00:23:54,781 So, for instance, like rock climbing 458 00:23:54,824 --> 00:23:56,696 or playing a musical instrument. 459 00:23:58,437 --> 00:24:00,700 When we look at brain activity during meditation, 460 00:24:00,743 --> 00:24:03,616 we find that many parts of the brain 461 00:24:03,659 --> 00:24:05,487 actually get turned off during meditation. 462 00:24:05,531 --> 00:24:07,097 Some areas are more active, 463 00:24:07,141 --> 00:24:08,925 but mostly there's a lot of turning off. 464 00:24:08,969 --> 00:24:11,580 The focus is really inward. 465 00:24:11,624 --> 00:24:14,322 So when you're running, people are wearing headphones, 466 00:24:14,365 --> 00:24:16,759 you know, or they zone out. 467 00:24:16,803 --> 00:24:18,979 Whereas with the yoga and the meditation 468 00:24:19,022 --> 00:24:20,720 you're really paying attention very closely 469 00:24:20,763 --> 00:24:22,461 to what's going on inside, 470 00:24:22,504 --> 00:24:24,288 and you really get really in tune 471 00:24:24,332 --> 00:24:26,073 with your body and with your mind. 472 00:24:26,116 --> 00:24:27,640 You really notice things 473 00:24:27,683 --> 00:24:29,380 that you didn't even notice were there before. 474 00:24:29,424 --> 00:24:31,644 The deep structure of these meditative - 475 00:24:31,687 --> 00:24:34,211 and I would include yogic - practices, 476 00:24:34,255 --> 00:24:35,778 they've been around 477 00:24:35,822 --> 00:24:37,606 for thousands and thousands of years. 478 00:24:37,650 --> 00:24:39,608 It's not the next fad. 479 00:24:39,652 --> 00:24:42,089 If they have value, they've had value for a very long time. 480 00:24:42,132 --> 00:24:43,873 That's why they've survived. 481 00:24:43,917 --> 00:24:47,486 And they really have to do with how we live our lives. 482 00:24:47,529 --> 00:24:50,576 So it's not like, "Oh, something else should come along 483 00:24:50,619 --> 00:24:53,404 "that will make this irrelevant." 484 00:24:53,448 --> 00:24:56,016 This is about as relevant as you can get, 485 00:24:56,059 --> 00:24:59,106 as long as the breath is moving in and out of your body. 486 00:24:59,149 --> 00:25:03,284 I think it's vital that people understand 487 00:25:03,327 --> 00:25:07,549 the power of the mind-body reaction. 488 00:25:07,593 --> 00:25:10,509 And it's best understood by most 489 00:25:10,552 --> 00:25:13,816 by recognising you have within yourself 490 00:25:13,860 --> 00:25:18,342 a capacity that's opposite to the stress response. 491 00:25:18,386 --> 00:25:23,609 And to the extent that stress is causing any disorder, 492 00:25:23,652 --> 00:25:27,656 be it the brain, the body, the liver, what have you, 493 00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:32,182 to that extent, by reversing stress's activity 494 00:25:32,226 --> 00:25:35,534 through the relaxation response, you can treat that. 495 00:25:35,577 --> 00:25:38,101 Does that mean you give up drugs or surgeries? 496 00:25:38,145 --> 00:25:39,712 Of course not. 497 00:25:39,755 --> 00:25:42,192 But you've got to bring this in 498 00:25:42,236 --> 00:25:44,281 to that same level of respectability, 499 00:25:44,325 --> 00:25:47,110 because now we're scientifically proven. 500 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,946 When you think about your emotions, 501 00:25:56,990 --> 00:25:59,906 you may notice you don't feel them in your brain. 502 00:25:59,949 --> 00:26:02,473 You feel them in your body. 503 00:26:02,517 --> 00:26:06,086 Your face may flush. Your heart may race. 504 00:26:06,129 --> 00:26:08,131 Your stomach may flutter. 505 00:26:08,175 --> 00:26:11,874 These feelings are a result of chemicals and hormones released 506 00:26:11,918 --> 00:26:15,269 when your brain is in a certain emotional state. 507 00:26:15,312 --> 00:26:18,968 And now some researchers are starting to link these states 508 00:26:19,012 --> 00:26:20,883 to health outcomes. 509 00:26:20,927 --> 00:26:22,537 We know happy people 510 00:26:22,581 --> 00:26:24,539 live up to 10 years longer 511 00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:26,193 than unhappy people. 512 00:26:26,236 --> 00:26:27,673 If you're optimistic, 513 00:26:27,716 --> 00:26:29,326 You have about half the risk 514 00:26:29,370 --> 00:26:30,806 of getting heart disease 515 00:26:30,850 --> 00:26:33,026 than if you're more pessimistic. 516 00:26:33,069 --> 00:26:35,681 In one landmark study of 2,000 middle-aged men 517 00:26:35,724 --> 00:26:39,336 who worked at the Western Electric Company in the 1950s, 518 00:26:39,380 --> 00:26:41,164 those who had been emotionally depressed 519 00:26:41,208 --> 00:26:42,992 at the start of the study 520 00:26:43,036 --> 00:26:46,126 were twice as likely to have died from cancer 521 00:26:46,169 --> 00:26:48,084 20 years later. 522 00:26:48,128 --> 00:26:51,087 While you might be thinking this is explained 523 00:26:51,131 --> 00:26:53,220 by happier people being more inclined 524 00:26:53,263 --> 00:26:55,178 to make healthier life choices, 525 00:26:55,222 --> 00:26:58,878 this research made allowances for smoking habits, 526 00:26:58,921 --> 00:27:02,316 alcohol intake, weight and cholesterol. 527 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,318 Even age, job status 528 00:27:04,361 --> 00:27:06,581 and family history of cancer 529 00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:08,365 were factored into the results. 530 00:27:08,409 --> 00:27:10,585 Findings like this 531 00:27:10,629 --> 00:27:13,196 are demonstrated in thousands of studies 532 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,112 published in peer-reviewed academic journals. 533 00:27:20,029 --> 00:27:22,423 My name's Ann Salerno. 534 00:27:22,466 --> 00:27:25,165 I'm a paediatric nephrologist, which is a physician 535 00:27:25,208 --> 00:27:27,558 who takes care of children with kidney disease, 536 00:27:27,602 --> 00:27:31,475 and I live in Hopkinton, Massachusetts. 537 00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:36,872 I was married at 33 years old, and about a year later 538 00:27:36,916 --> 00:27:40,484 we actively started trying to have children. 539 00:27:40,528 --> 00:27:42,356 And after a year of trying, 540 00:27:42,399 --> 00:27:46,403 really felt like there was some barrier 541 00:27:46,447 --> 00:27:50,625 and that we should look into going to a fertility specialist. 542 00:27:52,148 --> 00:27:54,063 All my testing was normal. 543 00:27:54,107 --> 00:27:56,370 All the signals were happening at the right time, 544 00:27:56,413 --> 00:27:59,286 and still nothing happened. 545 00:27:59,329 --> 00:28:01,767 About a year into my journey, 546 00:28:01,810 --> 00:28:05,901 one of our chickens was killed by a coyote in the backyard, 547 00:28:05,945 --> 00:28:09,339 and the other four chickens stopped laying eggs. 548 00:28:09,383 --> 00:28:13,169 It was really just a wake-up call that... 549 00:28:13,213 --> 00:28:17,173 Look at this simple animal model of a chicken, 550 00:28:17,217 --> 00:28:22,352 and how them feeling that there was danger and feeling stressed 551 00:28:22,396 --> 00:28:26,574 had affected their fertility and their ability to ovulate. 552 00:28:28,445 --> 00:28:32,232 The doctors that I had been to had not really attended to 553 00:28:32,275 --> 00:28:36,453 how this infertility treatment and journey 554 00:28:36,497 --> 00:28:39,630 had been affecting me emotionally. 555 00:28:39,674 --> 00:28:41,415 I didn't realise it was happening, 556 00:28:41,458 --> 00:28:43,504 but I started feeling more and more depressed. 557 00:28:53,122 --> 00:28:54,776 WOMAN: Women with infertility 558 00:28:54,820 --> 00:28:56,735 become very depressed and very anxious. 559 00:28:56,778 --> 00:28:58,824 And we actually published a paper 560 00:28:58,867 --> 00:29:01,000 that showed that women with infertility 561 00:29:01,043 --> 00:29:03,742 were twice as depressed as women who were fertile. 562 00:29:03,785 --> 00:29:07,049 So depression is really common in the infertile population. 563 00:29:07,093 --> 00:29:09,182 You know, you throw away the birth control, 564 00:29:09,225 --> 00:29:11,358 you try for a few months, you don't get pregnant, 565 00:29:11,401 --> 00:29:13,360 you start to get anxious and depressed about it. 566 00:29:13,403 --> 00:29:14,970 So even if the physical problem 567 00:29:15,014 --> 00:29:16,842 that caused the infertility at the beginning 568 00:29:16,885 --> 00:29:18,626 goes away or gets treated, 569 00:29:18,669 --> 00:29:21,760 the angst about not getting pregnant can then kick in 570 00:29:21,803 --> 00:29:23,892 and independently contribute to the infertility. 571 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,203 CRAIG HASSED: Emotions have a profound effect on the body, 572 00:29:30,246 --> 00:29:31,900 for better or for worse. 573 00:29:31,944 --> 00:29:34,511 We shouldn't be one-dimensional about emotion, 574 00:29:34,555 --> 00:29:36,731 thinking there's only one positive emotion, 575 00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:38,777 and that's smiling and laughing, 576 00:29:38,820 --> 00:29:41,823 and if we're doing anything else, like feeling sad, 577 00:29:41,867 --> 00:29:43,694 then that's a negative emotion. 578 00:29:43,738 --> 00:29:45,522 We do have, like a piano, if you like... 579 00:29:45,566 --> 00:29:47,307 We've got a whole lot of octaves. 580 00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:49,700 We've got a whole range of emotions. 581 00:29:49,744 --> 00:29:51,615 And so there might be times 582 00:29:51,659 --> 00:29:53,704 when it's quite appropriate to feel sad, 583 00:29:53,748 --> 00:29:55,315 and if we express that sadness 584 00:29:55,358 --> 00:29:57,143 in a way that we feel comfortable with 585 00:29:57,186 --> 00:29:58,840 then that's not a negative emotion, 586 00:29:58,884 --> 00:30:00,494 that's a natural human emotion. 587 00:30:00,537 --> 00:30:03,453 It's really when the emotions, what's on the inside, 588 00:30:03,497 --> 00:30:05,760 gets out of step with what's on the outside, 589 00:30:05,804 --> 00:30:07,414 and then we start to wrestle with emotions, 590 00:30:07,457 --> 00:30:09,851 we start to wallow in emotions. 591 00:30:09,895 --> 00:30:13,159 We get caught up in negativity, caught up in self-criticism, 592 00:30:13,202 --> 00:30:14,856 caught up in anger, 593 00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:18,773 so that it lasts and lasts way after its use-by date. 594 00:30:18,817 --> 00:30:21,820 And that has a long-term and cumulative effect on the body 595 00:30:21,863 --> 00:30:23,517 that's not particularly healthy. 596 00:30:25,214 --> 00:30:27,695 MAN: It's a sobering thought, but it's true. 597 00:30:27,738 --> 00:30:29,262 Depressed people don't live as long. 598 00:30:29,305 --> 00:30:30,872 That's true with heart disease as well. 599 00:30:30,916 --> 00:30:32,569 If you're depressed and you have heart disease, 600 00:30:32,613 --> 00:30:34,136 you're not going to live as long 601 00:30:34,180 --> 00:30:36,573 as if you're not depressed and have heart disease. 602 00:30:36,617 --> 00:30:38,837 So it's a major risk factor 603 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,752 with the major medical illnesses that kill us. 604 00:30:44,016 --> 00:30:45,582 People who are depressed feel hopeless, 605 00:30:45,626 --> 00:30:47,584 helpless and worthless, 606 00:30:47,628 --> 00:30:50,196 they may not exercise as well, they don't sleep as well. 607 00:30:50,239 --> 00:30:53,721 CRAIG HASSED: So the mind has its direct effects on the body 608 00:30:53,764 --> 00:30:56,463 by what we think - that mind-body relationship - 609 00:30:56,506 --> 00:30:58,117 but we also should consider 610 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,511 how the mind affects our health via indirect means. 611 00:31:01,555 --> 00:31:04,036 So that is, the mind decides what we eat, 612 00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:06,777 whether we exercise, how we live. 613 00:31:06,821 --> 00:31:10,738 And so the state of the mind has profound effects on the body, 614 00:31:10,781 --> 00:31:13,654 both in the short term and the long term. 615 00:31:13,697 --> 00:31:15,482 DAVID SPIEGEL: And depression is something 616 00:31:15,525 --> 00:31:17,136 we can do something about. 617 00:31:17,179 --> 00:31:19,616 So it's a predictor of cancer outcome 618 00:31:19,660 --> 00:31:21,836 that we can have an effect on, 619 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,534 and potentially affect disease outcome as well. 620 00:31:24,578 --> 00:31:26,014 We published an article 621 00:31:26,058 --> 00:31:27,886 in the 'Journal of Clinical Oncology' 622 00:31:27,929 --> 00:31:30,062 showing that the course of depression 623 00:31:30,105 --> 00:31:32,455 over a period of a year for women with breast cancer 624 00:31:32,499 --> 00:31:34,066 predicts survival time. 625 00:31:34,109 --> 00:31:36,633 So the women whose depression was getting better 626 00:31:36,677 --> 00:31:38,244 lived substantially longer 627 00:31:38,287 --> 00:31:40,942 than the ones whose depression was getting worse. 628 00:31:40,986 --> 00:31:42,596 And it wasn't just two months 629 00:31:42,639 --> 00:31:44,293 after we studied their depression, 630 00:31:44,337 --> 00:31:46,643 it was seven years later. 631 00:31:46,687 --> 00:31:48,950 And this prediction was independent 632 00:31:48,994 --> 00:31:51,039 of all the standard risk factors - 633 00:31:51,083 --> 00:31:55,174 oestrogen receptor status, progesterone receptor status, 634 00:31:55,217 --> 00:31:57,959 time from initial diagnosis to relapse, 635 00:31:58,003 --> 00:32:00,701 all of which are powerful predictors of outcome. 636 00:32:00,744 --> 00:32:02,833 This depression prediction was independent of that. 637 00:32:04,357 --> 00:32:06,141 Study after study has shown 638 00:32:06,185 --> 00:32:08,100 that people who are lonely and depressed and isolated 639 00:32:08,143 --> 00:32:09,884 and three to ten times more likely 640 00:32:09,928 --> 00:32:11,886 to get sick and die prematurely 641 00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:14,106 than those who have a sense of love and connection and support. 642 00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:17,196 And I don't know any single factor in medicine - 643 00:32:17,239 --> 00:32:19,676 not smoking, not cholesterol, not blood pressure - 644 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,854 that affects our lives and our survival to that degree. 645 00:32:23,898 --> 00:32:25,856 ALICE DOMAR: If you look at the data 646 00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:27,641 that I've clocked in in my career 647 00:32:27,684 --> 00:32:30,035 on the impact of the mind-body program on fertility rates 648 00:32:30,078 --> 00:32:31,732 in infertility patients, 649 00:32:31,775 --> 00:32:33,995 and the fact the program costs a few hundred dollars 650 00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:35,954 and pretty much doubles pregnancy rates, 651 00:32:35,997 --> 00:32:38,869 yes, if you had a pill that did that, 652 00:32:38,913 --> 00:32:41,046 every infertility patient in the country would take it. 653 00:32:42,830 --> 00:32:45,050 ANN SALERNO: I learned about 654 00:32:45,093 --> 00:32:47,574 Ali Domar's mind-body program for infertility, 655 00:32:47,617 --> 00:32:50,881 and it sounded like exactly what I needed. 656 00:32:53,014 --> 00:32:54,929 Just going to the first meeting 657 00:32:54,973 --> 00:32:57,627 and seeing all these women in the room 658 00:32:57,671 --> 00:33:01,283 that looked like they were normal, 659 00:33:01,327 --> 00:33:03,372 and just looking around the room and saying, like, 660 00:33:03,416 --> 00:33:05,418 "I'm not alone. I'm not a freak. 661 00:33:05,461 --> 00:33:07,463 "I'm just, you know, 662 00:33:07,507 --> 00:33:12,033 "another woman that has a struggle like the rest of them." 663 00:33:12,077 --> 00:33:15,906 And that was just extremely powerful 664 00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:18,039 in terms of just turning my mood around 665 00:33:18,083 --> 00:33:23,653 and helping me to feel more optimistic about my life 666 00:33:23,697 --> 00:33:25,916 regardless of whether I got pregnant or not. 667 00:33:35,448 --> 00:33:38,451 After a period of using the mind-body techniques 668 00:33:38,494 --> 00:33:40,322 that I had learned, 669 00:33:40,366 --> 00:33:44,283 I felt that I would proceed to the IVF treatment. 670 00:33:44,326 --> 00:33:49,157 We ended up getting just one embryo, 671 00:33:49,201 --> 00:33:54,119 and that embryo took on the first try. 672 00:33:54,162 --> 00:33:56,860 And I did conceive, I got pregnant, 673 00:33:56,904 --> 00:34:00,603 and ultimately delivered my first child, 674 00:34:00,647 --> 00:34:04,520 my baby boy, Luke, who's now almost two years old. 675 00:34:11,527 --> 00:34:13,355 ALICE DOMAR: Most of my research 676 00:34:13,399 --> 00:34:15,923 is actually looking at the impact of the mind-body program 677 00:34:15,966 --> 00:34:17,620 on infertility patients. 678 00:34:17,664 --> 00:34:20,275 And we found the women who did the mind-body program, 679 00:34:20,319 --> 00:34:22,712 in addition to having 680 00:34:22,756 --> 00:34:25,585 much fewer physical or psychological symptoms, 681 00:34:25,628 --> 00:34:28,196 had a 55% take-home baby rate 682 00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:31,373 compared to a 20% take-home baby rate in the control group. 683 00:34:31,417 --> 00:34:33,375 So 55%, 20%. 684 00:34:35,638 --> 00:34:38,424 The research shows that if a woman feels stressed 685 00:34:38,467 --> 00:34:40,817 she continues to meet the demands of her family, 686 00:34:40,861 --> 00:34:44,299 her home and her job, and she lets go of her friends, 687 00:34:44,343 --> 00:34:46,562 which is the thing you need the most when you're stressed. 688 00:34:48,608 --> 00:34:50,566 And I think there's an expression 689 00:34:50,610 --> 00:34:53,482 that a crisis shared is half the burden. 690 00:34:53,526 --> 00:34:56,137 And so I think that's why social support is so important. 691 00:34:58,966 --> 00:35:00,663 In the 1960s 692 00:35:00,707 --> 00:35:02,622 a US town called Roseto 693 00:35:02,665 --> 00:35:05,103 was an anomaly in America. 694 00:35:05,146 --> 00:35:08,367 No-one under 55 had died of a heart attack 695 00:35:08,410 --> 00:35:11,283 or showed any signs of heart disease. 696 00:35:11,326 --> 00:35:14,068 The local death rate for men over 65 697 00:35:14,112 --> 00:35:16,810 was half the national average. 698 00:35:16,853 --> 00:35:19,160 A team of researchers led by Dr Stewart Wolf 699 00:35:19,204 --> 00:35:21,945 considered whether this was because of their diet, 700 00:35:21,989 --> 00:35:24,948 location, family history or exercise habits, 701 00:35:24,992 --> 00:35:26,950 but on the surface 702 00:35:26,994 --> 00:35:29,518 nothing was different from the rest of America. 703 00:35:29,562 --> 00:35:32,608 In fact, the town was made up of Italian immigrants 704 00:35:32,652 --> 00:35:34,871 who worked in quarries and factories, 705 00:35:34,915 --> 00:35:37,135 smoked unfiltered cigars 706 00:35:37,178 --> 00:35:40,921 and had dinner tables laden with rich Italian food. 707 00:35:40,964 --> 00:35:45,926 Rosetans of the 1960s still held onto their old-world ways. 708 00:35:45,969 --> 00:35:48,581 It was normal to find three generations 709 00:35:48,624 --> 00:35:50,757 under the same roof. 710 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,585 80% of men in the town 711 00:35:52,628 --> 00:35:55,109 were members of at least one community group. 712 00:35:55,153 --> 00:35:57,285 They would gather in each other's kitchens, 713 00:35:57,329 --> 00:35:59,592 play cards and simply talk. 714 00:35:59,635 --> 00:36:01,202 The conclusion? 715 00:36:01,246 --> 00:36:05,075 Rosetans were nourished by each other. 716 00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:07,034 Over the next decade 717 00:36:07,077 --> 00:36:09,210 the multi-generational homes broke up. 718 00:36:09,254 --> 00:36:12,735 And by 1971, when opulent houses, 719 00:36:12,779 --> 00:36:15,608 expensive cars and swimming pools appeared, 720 00:36:15,651 --> 00:36:20,569 the first person under the age of 55 died of a heart attack. 721 00:36:20,613 --> 00:36:22,354 By the 1980s 722 00:36:22,397 --> 00:36:25,008 the rate of fatal heart attacks in Roseto 723 00:36:25,052 --> 00:36:27,794 was the same as the rest of the country. 724 00:36:30,188 --> 00:36:32,059 DEAN ORNISH: Many people don't have an extended family 725 00:36:32,102 --> 00:36:33,756 that they see regularly. 726 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,715 They don't have two or three generations of people 727 00:36:35,758 --> 00:36:37,499 who live in the neighbourhood together. 728 00:36:37,543 --> 00:36:39,936 They don't have a church or synagogue they go to regularly, 729 00:36:39,980 --> 00:36:41,938 a job they've been at for many years. 730 00:36:41,982 --> 00:36:44,332 We all know that these things affect the quality of our lives, 731 00:36:44,376 --> 00:36:46,769 but they actually affect our survival 732 00:36:46,813 --> 00:36:49,076 and to a much larger degree than we had once realised. 733 00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:51,034 And so what we've learned 734 00:36:51,078 --> 00:36:53,559 is that it's not enough to focus on the behaviour, 735 00:36:53,602 --> 00:36:55,735 it's not enough just to give people information, 736 00:36:55,778 --> 00:36:57,954 we have to work at this deeper level. 737 00:36:57,998 --> 00:37:00,218 The number one most commonly prescribed prescription drugs 738 00:37:00,261 --> 00:37:02,785 in the US and probably most of the world 739 00:37:02,829 --> 00:37:04,613 have been antidepressants for the last 10 years, 740 00:37:04,657 --> 00:37:06,702 because there are a lot of depressed people out there. 741 00:37:09,139 --> 00:37:11,577 Now, a sceptic might say, "Oh, come on, give me a break. 742 00:37:11,620 --> 00:37:14,362 "You mean sitting around talking about my feelings will 743 00:37:14,406 --> 00:37:16,712 "somehow help me live longer if I've got cancer? Please." 744 00:37:16,756 --> 00:37:19,106 It's so easy to make fun of these ideas, 745 00:37:19,149 --> 00:37:21,369 how we're just so touchy-feely, you know. 746 00:37:21,413 --> 00:37:23,066 But we are touchy-feely creatures, 747 00:37:23,110 --> 00:37:24,677 we are creatures of community. 748 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:26,679 That's how we've survived as a species, 749 00:37:26,722 --> 00:37:29,072 is by learning how to care and love and nurture each other. 750 00:37:29,116 --> 00:37:31,161 And we ignore those ideas at our own peril. 751 00:37:33,773 --> 00:37:35,514 ANN: I just felt a contentment 752 00:37:35,557 --> 00:37:37,907 that I had never felt before in my life. 753 00:37:37,951 --> 00:37:41,781 It was a feeling like if I never accomplished anything 754 00:37:41,824 --> 00:37:44,740 or never did anything special for the rest of my life, 755 00:37:44,784 --> 00:37:46,655 that it was OK. 756 00:37:49,441 --> 00:37:53,314 And...um, about five months ago 757 00:37:53,358 --> 00:37:56,709 I found out that I was naturally pregnant, 758 00:37:56,752 --> 00:37:59,973 which was very much a surprise, 759 00:38:00,016 --> 00:38:02,105 and that, uh, you know, it happened 760 00:38:02,149 --> 00:38:03,803 the way it was, you know... 761 00:38:03,846 --> 00:38:05,587 ..I always thought it was supposed to happen. 762 00:38:05,631 --> 00:38:09,678 But I think a lot of that has to do with, you know... 763 00:38:09,722 --> 00:38:13,813 ..sort of that you no longer have that inner stress, 764 00:38:13,856 --> 00:38:15,684 that inner angst. 765 00:38:15,728 --> 00:38:18,165 It's definitely another miracle in our lives. 766 00:38:20,994 --> 00:38:23,257 I think that as a physician 767 00:38:23,301 --> 00:38:27,000 I never was taught to appreciate 768 00:38:27,043 --> 00:38:31,396 sort of, um, how a patient is coping with an illness 769 00:38:31,439 --> 00:38:33,136 or coping with an ailment 770 00:38:33,180 --> 00:38:36,052 and how that interplays with their therapy 771 00:38:36,096 --> 00:38:39,229 or their success in their therapy. 772 00:38:39,273 --> 00:38:41,580 It just wasn't even mentioned. 773 00:38:51,503 --> 00:38:53,461 There are now 774 00:38:53,505 --> 00:38:56,116 more than 10,000 peer-reviewed academic papers 775 00:38:56,159 --> 00:38:59,249 looking at the science of mind-body medicine, 776 00:38:59,293 --> 00:39:02,035 with more research being published daily, 777 00:39:02,078 --> 00:39:04,907 and with it comes the molecular underpinnings 778 00:39:04,951 --> 00:39:07,083 of emotions and disease 779 00:39:07,127 --> 00:39:09,347 proving a mind-body connection. 780 00:39:09,390 --> 00:39:12,262 And yet in most conventional medical centres 781 00:39:12,306 --> 00:39:15,614 the mind is not a component in a treatment plan. 782 00:39:15,657 --> 00:39:19,139 Millions of people are being turned away from doctors' rooms 783 00:39:19,182 --> 00:39:22,534 with potentially curable chronic illnesses. 784 00:39:28,844 --> 00:39:30,498 Hi. My name's Scott. 785 00:39:30,542 --> 00:39:33,327 I was diagnosed with melanoma in 2000. 786 00:39:34,937 --> 00:39:36,374 I think, looking back, 787 00:39:36,417 --> 00:39:38,724 I was a bit of a worrying sort of person - 788 00:39:38,767 --> 00:39:40,856 not so much worried about myself 789 00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:44,512 or where I'm gonna be in 10 years... 790 00:39:44,556 --> 00:39:47,341 ..but I think I just worried about stuff. 791 00:39:47,385 --> 00:39:50,475 You know, a bit of a perfectionist by nature and... 792 00:39:50,518 --> 00:39:53,782 I don't know, I just probably obsessed a bit 793 00:39:53,826 --> 00:39:57,830 about my life, and how this worked and how that worked 794 00:39:57,873 --> 00:39:59,832 and whether that was a good way to do things 795 00:39:59,875 --> 00:40:01,268 and things like that. 796 00:40:02,661 --> 00:40:04,576 My doctor never gave me a prognosis. 797 00:40:05,707 --> 00:40:07,317 But I did ask him. 798 00:40:07,361 --> 00:40:10,103 You know, I said, "How unwell am I?" 799 00:40:10,146 --> 00:40:13,628 And... I think I said, "How serious is this?" 800 00:40:13,672 --> 00:40:16,805 And my doctor said, "It doesn't get any more serious." 801 00:40:16,849 --> 00:40:20,156 My doctor was happy to call me a terminal patient. 802 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,637 You know, I was unwell. 803 00:40:22,681 --> 00:40:24,900 I had stage IV melanoma, 804 00:40:24,944 --> 00:40:28,121 and people with stage IV melanoma didn't get better. 805 00:40:30,515 --> 00:40:32,473 And my doctor said, 806 00:40:32,517 --> 00:40:34,432 "Well, look, you can have chemotherapy if you like, 807 00:40:34,475 --> 00:40:37,260 "but it's only got a 5-10% success rate." 808 00:40:37,304 --> 00:40:39,262 He said, "But that's all I've got for you." 809 00:40:39,306 --> 00:40:43,005 They offered me chemotherapy as a palliative treatment 810 00:40:43,049 --> 00:40:45,181 and that's all they had for me. 811 00:40:49,664 --> 00:40:52,928 I never looked to myself. 812 00:40:52,972 --> 00:40:56,541 You know, I just...looked to the medical system 813 00:40:56,584 --> 00:40:58,586 and whacked a drip in my arm 814 00:40:58,630 --> 00:41:00,893 and sat there and said, "She'll be right, mate." 815 00:41:00,936 --> 00:41:03,025 Like, that's the mentality that I had. 816 00:41:03,069 --> 00:41:06,289 But I wasn't right, because it kept coming back. 817 00:41:06,333 --> 00:41:09,858 I think there's an art in how you approach a patient. 818 00:41:09,902 --> 00:41:13,993 The words that a doctor uses have great power. 819 00:41:14,036 --> 00:41:16,952 I've written also about what I call 'medical hexing', 820 00:41:16,996 --> 00:41:18,519 which is the negative side of this, 821 00:41:18,563 --> 00:41:21,087 that many patients have been 822 00:41:21,130 --> 00:41:24,525 told by doctors in one way or another 823 00:41:24,569 --> 00:41:26,048 that they're not gonna get better. 824 00:41:29,269 --> 00:41:32,838 Often, doctors haven't, you know, meant to do that, 825 00:41:32,881 --> 00:41:36,842 and they may even be unconscious of the things that they've said, 826 00:41:36,885 --> 00:41:40,541 but I think this is an area that needs correction, 827 00:41:40,585 --> 00:41:43,675 that doctors need to be aware of how powerful their words are 828 00:41:43,718 --> 00:41:46,547 and to use them, you know, to promote healing 829 00:41:46,591 --> 00:41:49,332 rather than hinder it. 830 00:41:49,376 --> 00:41:51,073 DAVID SPIEGEL: Medicine used to be a trade. 831 00:41:51,117 --> 00:41:53,641 It used to be that you would apprentice yourself to a doctor 832 00:41:53,685 --> 00:41:56,557 and roam around with - mostly then - him, not her 833 00:41:56,601 --> 00:41:58,559 and learn the craft. 834 00:41:58,603 --> 00:42:00,343 At the beginning of the last century 835 00:42:00,387 --> 00:42:02,128 there was a report called the Flexner Report 836 00:42:02,171 --> 00:42:04,130 in the United States 837 00:42:04,173 --> 00:42:06,306 that said, you know, medicine should be a science, 838 00:42:06,349 --> 00:42:08,308 and so people started 839 00:42:08,351 --> 00:42:11,572 going to formal medical schools after university. 840 00:42:11,616 --> 00:42:14,749 But, I think, in an odd way, 841 00:42:14,793 --> 00:42:16,708 we solved one problem and created another 842 00:42:16,751 --> 00:42:19,232 because the old general practitioners, 843 00:42:19,275 --> 00:42:22,583 they understood the importance of emotional support 844 00:42:22,627 --> 00:42:27,501 as well as whatever medication or surgery you gave. 845 00:42:27,545 --> 00:42:30,460 So the oldest adage of medicine is that our job is 846 00:42:30,504 --> 00:42:33,420 to cure rarely, relieve suffering, and comfort always, 847 00:42:33,463 --> 00:42:37,555 and in the Flexner era we rewrote that job description 848 00:42:37,598 --> 00:42:39,600 to be that our job was to cure always, 849 00:42:39,644 --> 00:42:41,297 relieve suffering if you had the time, 850 00:42:41,341 --> 00:42:44,387 and let someone else do the comforting. 851 00:42:44,431 --> 00:42:47,826 MAN: We've started to look at the doctor-patient interaction 852 00:42:47,869 --> 00:42:49,436 and then, even more broadly, 853 00:42:49,479 --> 00:42:52,570 this ritual or theatre, even, of healing. 854 00:42:52,613 --> 00:42:55,573 What is it that we do when we prescribe a medicine, 855 00:42:55,616 --> 00:42:59,054 or see a patient about a surgery or even conduct surgery? 856 00:42:59,098 --> 00:43:01,230 What is in that environment 857 00:43:01,274 --> 00:43:05,495 and how does it affect a patient's brain? 858 00:43:05,539 --> 00:43:07,715 There's a couple of trials which have been done 859 00:43:07,759 --> 00:43:10,718 by a colleague of mine in Italy, Professor Benedetti, 860 00:43:10,762 --> 00:43:12,502 in the early 2000s, 861 00:43:12,546 --> 00:43:13,982 and they were able to look at 862 00:43:14,026 --> 00:43:16,811 post-operative pain with the drug morphine, 863 00:43:16,855 --> 00:43:18,465 and were able to show 864 00:43:18,508 --> 00:43:21,250 that morphine was almost half as effective 865 00:43:21,294 --> 00:43:23,296 when you didn't know you'd received it. 866 00:43:23,339 --> 00:43:26,081 In other words, the effect of a drug 867 00:43:26,125 --> 00:43:29,998 is a combination of the pharmacology of the drug 868 00:43:30,042 --> 00:43:31,957 and the effect of your brain 869 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,263 knowing that you're having the drug 870 00:43:34,307 --> 00:43:38,485 and the therapeutic ritual of the drug administration. 871 00:43:38,528 --> 00:43:40,705 That component is the placebo effect, 872 00:43:40,748 --> 00:43:43,316 and that's what we're studying. 873 00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:45,405 ESTHER STERNBERG: What we're really talking about here 874 00:43:45,448 --> 00:43:49,061 is what has been almost misnamed 'the placebo effect' - 875 00:43:49,104 --> 00:43:51,759 the brain's own healing mechanism. 876 00:43:51,803 --> 00:43:53,369 And the reason it's misnamed 877 00:43:53,413 --> 00:43:55,937 is it's usually the placebo effect... 878 00:43:55,981 --> 00:43:58,070 The word 'placebo' is usually preceded 879 00:43:58,113 --> 00:44:00,202 by a four-letter word - 'just'. 880 00:44:00,246 --> 00:44:02,074 "Oh, it's 'just' the placebo effect'." 881 00:44:02,117 --> 00:44:03,815 Well, it's not 'just' the placebo effect. 882 00:44:03,858 --> 00:44:06,426 It's a very powerful effect that contributes 883 00:44:06,469 --> 00:44:10,560 about 30% to 50% of the effect of any biological cure. 884 00:44:10,604 --> 00:44:15,174 Belief is critical because belief has the ability 885 00:44:15,217 --> 00:44:20,005 to trigger part of the overall healing response, if you like. 886 00:44:20,048 --> 00:44:23,965 In simple terms, belief is part of why we get better. 887 00:44:24,009 --> 00:44:26,141 It's not the complete answer, 888 00:44:26,185 --> 00:44:30,711 but it's one part of any medical treatment, which is important. 889 00:44:30,755 --> 00:44:33,714 And that's both at a patient level - having belief - 890 00:44:33,758 --> 00:44:35,150 and at a doctor level - 891 00:44:35,194 --> 00:44:37,500 realising that belief is important. 892 00:44:37,544 --> 00:44:39,938 And the communication about some of these things 893 00:44:39,981 --> 00:44:42,114 with the patient is important as well. 894 00:44:48,468 --> 00:44:50,426 My name's Ian Gawler. 895 00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:52,733 I started off my working life as a veterinarian, 896 00:44:52,777 --> 00:44:55,301 but after just a couple of years of being in practice 897 00:44:55,344 --> 00:44:58,391 I got a swelling in my right thigh 898 00:44:58,434 --> 00:45:03,135 which turned out to be a very aggressive form of bone cancer. 899 00:45:03,178 --> 00:45:06,616 And so in the beginning of 1975 900 00:45:06,660 --> 00:45:09,489 I had my leg amputated through the hip, 901 00:45:09,532 --> 00:45:11,926 and it got worse 902 00:45:11,970 --> 00:45:15,495 because less than a year later, the cancer reoccurred. 903 00:45:15,538 --> 00:45:18,454 Nobody on record had lived more than six months 904 00:45:18,498 --> 00:45:21,370 with that particular type of secondary cancer, 905 00:45:21,414 --> 00:45:24,634 and most people seemed to die within about three months. 906 00:45:26,549 --> 00:45:29,030 Being a veterinarian, I'd seen 907 00:45:29,074 --> 00:45:33,861 animals healing through their own natural agency, if you like, 908 00:45:33,905 --> 00:45:38,474 and so that set me off on this sort of quest for healing. 909 00:45:38,518 --> 00:45:40,476 And I was very fortunate 910 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,915 because I was around in the early days of mind-body medicine 911 00:45:43,958 --> 00:45:47,440 when meditation was just starting 912 00:45:47,483 --> 00:45:49,050 to be used therapeutically, 913 00:45:49,094 --> 00:45:51,313 where nutrition was starting 914 00:45:51,357 --> 00:45:53,359 to be taken, by some people, seriously 915 00:45:53,402 --> 00:45:55,665 for its therapeutic value, 916 00:45:55,709 --> 00:45:58,538 and that whole role of the mind and emotions and health 917 00:45:58,581 --> 00:46:01,062 was being considered. 918 00:46:01,106 --> 00:46:04,239 As I was putting all this effort into getting well, 919 00:46:04,283 --> 00:46:06,546 I reached a point where I... 920 00:46:06,589 --> 00:46:10,593 ..it was very apparent that my mind was the limiting factor, 921 00:46:10,637 --> 00:46:15,250 because up to that point I'd been doing all these things 922 00:46:15,294 --> 00:46:19,515 that had the possibility of helping me to recover, 923 00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:22,562 but it became apparent at that time 924 00:46:22,605 --> 00:46:27,654 that I had some level of doubt about it. 925 00:46:36,619 --> 00:46:40,188 I was told about this Indian holy man named Sai Baba, 926 00:46:40,232 --> 00:46:43,017 who was revered in India at the time 927 00:46:43,061 --> 00:46:45,846 as a...as a divine incarnation. 928 00:46:45,890 --> 00:46:49,632 I must say, of all the people I met through my healing journey 929 00:46:49,676 --> 00:46:51,896 in terms of presence 930 00:46:51,939 --> 00:46:54,768 and in terms of fulfilling the expectation 931 00:46:54,812 --> 00:46:56,335 of what one would have 932 00:46:56,378 --> 00:46:58,424 of a really extraordinary holy man, 933 00:46:58,467 --> 00:47:00,730 he really fitted the bill. 934 00:47:02,689 --> 00:47:05,953 And he said to me very clearly, very directly, 935 00:47:05,997 --> 00:47:09,000 "You're already healed. Don't worry." 936 00:47:09,043 --> 00:47:11,045 And he'd sort of picked up on the fact 937 00:47:11,089 --> 00:47:12,960 that there was this doubt sort of there. 938 00:47:13,004 --> 00:47:15,006 And with doubt, you hang back a bit. 939 00:47:15,049 --> 00:47:16,834 And although from the outside 940 00:47:16,877 --> 00:47:19,880 I would have looked like I was very committed, very engaged 941 00:47:19,924 --> 00:47:22,013 with this whole healing process, 942 00:47:22,056 --> 00:47:23,492 I know - it was a fact - 943 00:47:23,536 --> 00:47:25,407 that there was this level of doubt there 944 00:47:25,451 --> 00:47:27,757 that was sort of holding things back. 945 00:47:27,801 --> 00:47:29,890 And through the agency of meeting him 946 00:47:29,934 --> 00:47:32,066 and the catalytic effect that he had 947 00:47:32,110 --> 00:47:34,503 and the sort of power of his presence, 948 00:47:34,547 --> 00:47:38,507 which is, like, what made him for me a true healer, 949 00:47:38,551 --> 00:47:41,075 I was able to actually switch that 950 00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:44,252 and I came away from there with conviction. 951 00:47:44,296 --> 00:47:47,777 And it didn't actually change what I was doing, 952 00:47:47,821 --> 00:47:50,780 but it changed how I was doing it 953 00:47:50,824 --> 00:47:54,306 in this quite deep and profound way. 954 00:47:54,349 --> 00:47:56,569 And so everything from then on I thought... 955 00:47:56,612 --> 00:48:01,879 You know, I came away, you know, thinking I'd really get well. 956 00:48:08,146 --> 00:48:11,062 In recent years the scientific line of inquiry 957 00:48:11,105 --> 00:48:14,413 has moved from being not if, but how, 958 00:48:14,456 --> 00:48:16,937 belief effects your health. 959 00:48:16,981 --> 00:48:19,070 And while the study of placebo responses 960 00:48:19,113 --> 00:48:20,941 still has a long way to go 961 00:48:20,985 --> 00:48:23,901 to influence the practices of conventional medicine, 962 00:48:23,944 --> 00:48:25,990 scientists are starting to uncover 963 00:48:26,033 --> 00:48:28,731 a physiological basis for placebo. 964 00:48:28,775 --> 00:48:32,344 Neuroscientists can see placebo treatments 965 00:48:32,387 --> 00:48:35,260 prompt chemical responses in the area of the brain 966 00:48:35,303 --> 00:48:39,481 that modulates things like mood, sleep and pain reception 967 00:48:39,525 --> 00:48:41,919 in a similar way to drugs. 968 00:48:41,962 --> 00:48:45,009 Research on the brains of people with Parkinson's disease 969 00:48:45,052 --> 00:48:48,055 has shown that placebos increase dopamine, 970 00:48:48,099 --> 00:48:50,057 a chemical that affects emotions 971 00:48:50,101 --> 00:48:53,104 and sensations of pleasure and reward. 972 00:48:53,147 --> 00:48:55,976 In a study of patients with irritable bowel syndrome, 973 00:48:56,020 --> 00:48:57,978 people got better 974 00:48:58,022 --> 00:49:00,850 even when they knew pills given to them were fake. 975 00:49:00,894 --> 00:49:02,852 These people were told 976 00:49:02,896 --> 00:49:04,985 their doctors felt the pills would help, 977 00:49:05,029 --> 00:49:06,987 and they did. 978 00:49:07,031 --> 00:49:09,859 This is a really important reminder 979 00:49:09,903 --> 00:49:12,906 that the therapeutic interaction 980 00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:15,778 between the therapist - any healthcare professional - 981 00:49:15,822 --> 00:49:17,606 and the patient, is important, 982 00:49:17,650 --> 00:49:19,478 and I think people have known that for years. 983 00:49:19,521 --> 00:49:22,002 And now we can, through placebo research, 984 00:49:22,046 --> 00:49:23,482 demonstrate that it's important 985 00:49:23,525 --> 00:49:27,181 because there's a clear biological manipulation 986 00:49:27,225 --> 00:49:30,054 or altering of...of symptoms. 987 00:49:30,097 --> 00:49:32,012 I think 'healing response' 988 00:49:32,056 --> 00:49:34,188 is a better term than 'placebo response', 989 00:49:34,232 --> 00:49:39,019 because in most doctors' minds, placebo responses... 990 00:49:39,063 --> 00:49:41,021 People only think of 991 00:49:41,065 --> 00:49:43,023 giving sugar pills and saline injections, 992 00:49:43,067 --> 00:49:46,200 so this is fooling patients, duping them in some way. 993 00:49:46,244 --> 00:49:49,638 And doctors don't like to see themselves as duping patients, 994 00:49:49,682 --> 00:49:52,598 and patients certainly don't want to see themselves as dupes. 995 00:49:52,641 --> 00:49:54,687 So I think to avoid all that 996 00:49:54,730 --> 00:49:56,297 I would tend to talk about these 997 00:49:56,341 --> 00:49:58,734 as mind-mediated healing responses. 998 00:49:58,778 --> 00:50:00,519 Now, it doesn't mean, you know, 999 00:50:00,562 --> 00:50:02,564 "I think I'm gonna get rid of my cancer 1000 00:50:02,608 --> 00:50:05,089 "or my, you know, other major illness 1001 00:50:05,132 --> 00:50:06,699 "and it's just gonna go away," 1002 00:50:06,742 --> 00:50:09,223 but it does mean that the body's response 1003 00:50:09,267 --> 00:50:13,445 to the insult of an infection or a tumour or something else 1004 00:50:13,488 --> 00:50:18,406 may be modulated by central nervous system effects, 1005 00:50:18,450 --> 00:50:21,148 including expectation and placebo. 1006 00:50:21,192 --> 00:50:23,542 There's no way you can ever draw a line and say, 1007 00:50:23,585 --> 00:50:25,935 "On this side are the intrinsic effects of treatment 1008 00:50:25,979 --> 00:50:29,156 "and on this side are the mind-mediated effects." 1009 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,376 And not only is it impossible to do that, 1010 00:50:31,419 --> 00:50:32,942 it's foolish to do that, 1011 00:50:32,986 --> 00:50:35,510 because to me the placebo response 1012 00:50:35,554 --> 00:50:37,034 is the meat of medicine - 1013 00:50:37,077 --> 00:50:38,470 that's what you're trying to make happen. 1014 00:50:42,430 --> 00:50:44,693 IAN GAWLER: It wasn't like I found 1015 00:50:44,737 --> 00:50:46,913 some magic medical thing that fixed me 1016 00:50:46,956 --> 00:50:50,090 or some alternative treatment that fixed me. 1017 00:50:50,134 --> 00:50:53,702 I think if there's a magic bullet involved in my case, 1018 00:50:53,746 --> 00:50:56,749 it was actually that sort of inner capacity for healing 1019 00:50:56,792 --> 00:50:58,751 and activating that. 1020 00:50:58,794 --> 00:51:01,014 After I recovered, 1021 00:51:01,058 --> 00:51:04,452 a lot of people heard about my story 1022 00:51:04,496 --> 00:51:07,325 and wondered what I'd done 1023 00:51:07,368 --> 00:51:09,414 and whether it could be of help to them. 1024 00:51:09,457 --> 00:51:12,895 And really, my story's got less and less significant 1025 00:51:12,939 --> 00:51:14,332 in that sense 1026 00:51:14,375 --> 00:51:16,290 because the real body of the work 1027 00:51:16,334 --> 00:51:18,466 is the testament of all the people 1028 00:51:18,510 --> 00:51:20,773 who've done these things over many years. 1029 00:51:22,557 --> 00:51:25,125 A friend had mentioned the Gawler Foundation to me. 1030 00:51:25,169 --> 00:51:28,476 Straightaway in this program, 1031 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,609 things started to make sense to me. 1032 00:51:30,652 --> 00:51:32,437 You know, like, full light bulb moments. 1033 00:51:34,961 --> 00:51:38,921 You know, I was motivated and I was keen to stay alive. 1034 00:51:38,965 --> 00:51:43,404 I'd just got married. I was...I was 27. 1035 00:51:43,448 --> 00:51:45,493 Like, I didn't want to die. 1036 00:51:46,668 --> 00:51:49,889 And I made a lot of changes. 1037 00:51:54,285 --> 00:51:56,591 IAN GAWLER: And I have no trouble in saying, 1038 00:51:56,635 --> 00:51:59,594 "I don't care what the odds are. You're an individual. 1039 00:51:59,638 --> 00:52:01,683 "You've got a body, you've got emotions, 1040 00:52:01,727 --> 00:52:03,250 "you've got a mind, you've got a spirit. 1041 00:52:03,294 --> 00:52:05,078 "It's possible that you're gonna recover." 1042 00:52:05,122 --> 00:52:07,472 A lot of the people that I've helped 1043 00:52:07,515 --> 00:52:10,083 that have managed to recover 1044 00:52:10,127 --> 00:52:13,260 sort of in spectacular ways against difficult odds 1045 00:52:13,304 --> 00:52:15,610 have found that point of conviction 1046 00:52:15,654 --> 00:52:18,178 at some point in their own healing journey. 1047 00:52:21,050 --> 00:52:24,228 SCOTT: They teach you about the effects of emotions 1048 00:52:24,271 --> 00:52:25,925 on your body, your immune system, 1049 00:52:25,968 --> 00:52:30,234 the importance of meditation, nutrition, 1050 00:52:30,277 --> 00:52:33,280 having some sort of spiritual connection 1051 00:52:33,324 --> 00:52:35,282 to whatever it is you believe in, 1052 00:52:35,326 --> 00:52:37,284 all these things. 1053 00:52:37,328 --> 00:52:39,721 And they're all things that you can do for yourself. 1054 00:52:39,765 --> 00:52:41,984 So some people say that my... 1055 00:52:42,028 --> 00:52:46,032 ..my healing is this miraculous recovery. 1056 00:52:47,207 --> 00:52:49,078 But to me, it was... 1057 00:52:49,122 --> 00:52:52,125 ..it was just hard work and perseverance. 1058 00:52:52,169 --> 00:52:54,214 And belief. 1059 00:52:54,258 --> 00:52:58,218 I believed these things, you know, were good for me. 1060 00:53:01,395 --> 00:53:06,270 The easiest way to sum it up for someone is 1061 00:53:06,313 --> 00:53:08,707 would I have got well 1062 00:53:08,750 --> 00:53:13,059 without all these approaches like meditation 1063 00:53:13,102 --> 00:53:14,887 and, essentially, looking after yourself? 1064 00:53:16,062 --> 00:53:17,977 No. 1065 00:53:18,020 --> 00:53:19,631 Would I have got well 1066 00:53:19,674 --> 00:53:23,461 with just that and no chemical intervention? 1067 00:53:23,504 --> 00:53:25,332 Maybe. 1068 00:53:25,376 --> 00:53:27,204 But if you wanted to break it down, 1069 00:53:27,247 --> 00:53:31,382 the drugs weren't gonna cure me, not by themselves. 1070 00:53:31,425 --> 00:53:33,471 I was a terminal patient. 1071 00:53:33,514 --> 00:53:36,517 I had stage IV melanoma. 1072 00:53:36,561 --> 00:53:41,957 And here I am, cancer-free, 6.5 years later. 1073 00:53:57,625 --> 00:54:00,106 Despite the overwhelming evidence 1074 00:54:00,149 --> 00:54:02,282 that your mind plays a major role 1075 00:54:02,326 --> 00:54:05,198 in both determining your sickness and wellness, 1076 00:54:05,242 --> 00:54:08,941 there remains a major line of inquiry to explore - 1077 00:54:08,984 --> 00:54:11,683 the role of genetics. 1078 00:54:13,032 --> 00:54:14,990 Genes are stretches of DNA 1079 00:54:15,034 --> 00:54:18,167 that sit in almost every cell in your body. 1080 00:54:18,211 --> 00:54:19,995 They contain instructions 1081 00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:23,434 for producing proteins that run every bodily function. 1082 00:54:23,477 --> 00:54:26,611 We inherit half our DNA from each of our parents. 1083 00:54:26,654 --> 00:54:29,788 And if your parents, grandparents or other relatives 1084 00:54:29,831 --> 00:54:32,094 have an illness, 1085 00:54:32,138 --> 00:54:35,228 you have a greater risk of getting sick too. 1086 00:54:38,275 --> 00:54:40,451 I'm George Jelenik. 1087 00:54:40,494 --> 00:54:45,499 I'm a medical doctor who is in academic medicine, 1088 00:54:45,543 --> 00:54:48,589 and emergency medicine is the specialty I've been trained in. 1089 00:54:50,678 --> 00:54:53,986 Mum was diagnosed with MS. 1090 00:54:54,029 --> 00:54:57,642 So MS is multiple sclerosis, which is... 1091 00:54:57,685 --> 00:54:59,383 ..which means that you've got 1092 00:54:59,426 --> 00:55:03,517 multiple lesions, or little areas of damage, 1093 00:55:03,561 --> 00:55:05,084 through your nervous system. 1094 00:55:05,127 --> 00:55:07,739 Generally it's thought to be an autoimmune disease, 1095 00:55:07,782 --> 00:55:11,743 so the immune system essentially attacks your own nervous system. 1096 00:55:13,745 --> 00:55:17,705 And she deteriorated quite quickly. 1097 00:55:17,749 --> 00:55:20,142 Within perhaps five years of diagnosis, 1098 00:55:20,186 --> 00:55:22,275 she could no longer walk. 1099 00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:24,973 And I remember her 1100 00:55:25,017 --> 00:55:27,367 then coming to my medical school graduation 1101 00:55:27,411 --> 00:55:29,500 in a wheelchair 1102 00:55:29,543 --> 00:55:32,677 and having to be sort of lifted up the ramp to get inside 1103 00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:35,332 to...to see me graduate from medicine. 1104 00:55:37,638 --> 00:55:39,858 I'd done three years of residency as a doctor 1105 00:55:39,901 --> 00:55:43,383 and I thought I would just take off and see the world 1106 00:55:43,427 --> 00:55:46,299 and go for a few years. 1107 00:55:46,343 --> 00:55:50,259 And in fact it was at my going-away party 1108 00:55:50,303 --> 00:55:54,089 that I was rung to say that my mother had been found dead. 1109 00:55:54,133 --> 00:55:56,614 She was intent 1110 00:55:56,657 --> 00:56:02,010 on finishing her life perfectly rationally and...and reasonably 1111 00:56:02,054 --> 00:56:04,622 because of what her life had become. 1112 00:56:04,665 --> 00:56:10,497 And so she took an overdose and was found in the morning. 1113 00:56:13,718 --> 00:56:16,938 There's a very strong genetic predisposition to MS, 1114 00:56:16,982 --> 00:56:21,290 so if you have a first-degree relative who had MS, 1115 00:56:21,334 --> 00:56:22,857 like my mother, 1116 00:56:22,901 --> 00:56:25,120 then your chance is about 20 to 40 times 1117 00:56:25,164 --> 00:56:27,862 the average chance of the rest of the population. 1118 00:56:27,906 --> 00:56:32,084 And it was 1999, 18 years later, when I was 45, 1119 00:56:32,127 --> 00:56:34,303 that I first developed symptoms of MS. 1120 00:56:38,177 --> 00:56:41,006 We used to think that the genes you were born with 1121 00:56:41,049 --> 00:56:43,138 are what you're stuck with 1122 00:56:43,182 --> 00:56:46,533 and that's it, that it's set in stone. 1123 00:56:46,577 --> 00:56:48,535 And it turns out that's not the case. 1124 00:56:48,579 --> 00:56:51,408 You're born with the genes. The genes aren't gonna change. 1125 00:56:51,451 --> 00:56:55,673 But the way they are expressed is very profoundly affected 1126 00:56:55,716 --> 00:56:58,719 by the experiences that you go through. 1127 00:56:58,763 --> 00:57:01,113 So often I hear people say, "Oh, I've just got bad genes. 1128 00:57:01,156 --> 00:57:02,984 "It's all in my genes. What can I do?" 1129 00:57:03,028 --> 00:57:04,464 Well, actually you can do a lot. 1130 00:57:06,248 --> 00:57:07,772 For the last 36 years, 1131 00:57:07,815 --> 00:57:09,861 I've directed a series of research studies 1132 00:57:09,904 --> 00:57:11,732 showing what a powerful difference 1133 00:57:11,776 --> 00:57:13,517 changes in diet and lifestyle can make 1134 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,432 not only in preventing disease, 1135 00:57:15,475 --> 00:57:17,346 but actually in treating and often reversing it. 1136 00:57:17,390 --> 00:57:19,479 We were able to show for the first time 1137 00:57:19,523 --> 00:57:22,003 that we could slow, stop, or even reverse 1138 00:57:22,047 --> 00:57:25,485 the progression of early-stage prostate cancer. 1139 00:57:25,529 --> 00:57:28,053 We looked into some of the mechanisms to help explain that, 1140 00:57:28,096 --> 00:57:31,186 and we found that over 500 genes were favourably changed 1141 00:57:31,230 --> 00:57:32,797 in just three months. 1142 00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,494 And, in fact, turning on the good genes 1143 00:57:34,538 --> 00:57:36,191 that prevent these conditions 1144 00:57:36,235 --> 00:57:38,803 and turning off particularly the oncogenes 1145 00:57:38,846 --> 00:57:41,109 that promote prostate cancer in men, breast cancer in women, 1146 00:57:41,153 --> 00:57:43,155 colon cancer and so on. 1147 00:57:43,198 --> 00:57:45,592 And I think these findings are giving many people new hope 1148 00:57:45,636 --> 00:57:47,986 and new choices that they didn't have before. 1149 00:57:48,029 --> 00:57:50,379 So the bedrock principle of biology, 1150 00:57:50,423 --> 00:57:52,338 that genes are fixed and unchangeable, 1151 00:57:52,381 --> 00:57:54,949 has now been shaken to the core. 1152 00:57:54,993 --> 00:57:56,951 Through the study of gene expression, 1153 00:57:56,995 --> 00:57:58,953 scientists now know 1154 00:57:58,997 --> 00:58:02,522 that your genes can be switched on and switched off. 1155 00:58:02,566 --> 00:58:05,264 And while for the most part every cell in your body 1156 00:58:05,307 --> 00:58:07,571 contains exactly the same genes, 1157 00:58:07,614 --> 00:58:09,137 and that won't change, 1158 00:58:09,181 --> 00:58:11,749 being exposed to external forces 1159 00:58:11,792 --> 00:58:14,969 can flip the switch one way or another. 1160 00:58:15,013 --> 00:58:18,146 By studying epigenetics, researchers also know 1161 00:58:18,190 --> 00:58:22,237 that gene expression can be passed to the next generation. 1162 00:58:22,281 --> 00:58:24,239 The way your great-grandmother lived 1163 00:58:24,283 --> 00:58:27,112 could be affecting your health. 1164 00:58:27,155 --> 00:58:29,593 And here, at the front line of science, 1165 00:58:29,636 --> 00:58:33,422 there are major implications for mind-body medicine. 1166 00:58:33,466 --> 00:58:36,164 Recently, research on the relaxation response 1167 00:58:36,208 --> 00:58:38,993 was taken to a whole new level. 1168 00:58:39,037 --> 00:58:41,213 Scientists at the Benson Henry Institute 1169 00:58:41,256 --> 00:58:42,823 for Mind Body Medicine 1170 00:58:42,867 --> 00:58:44,564 looked at the genetic expression 1171 00:58:44,608 --> 00:58:46,392 of people who meditated. 1172 00:58:46,435 --> 00:58:48,046 And the results revealed 1173 00:58:48,089 --> 00:58:50,744 that meditation can flip the switch 1174 00:58:50,788 --> 00:58:53,660 on genes affecting disease. 1175 00:58:53,704 --> 00:58:56,228 But it's even, from my point of view, 1176 00:58:56,271 --> 00:58:58,578 more remarkable than that, 1177 00:58:58,622 --> 00:59:03,365 because the first time you evoke the relaxation response, 1178 00:59:03,409 --> 00:59:09,067 these genomic gene expression changes occur. 1179 00:59:09,110 --> 00:59:14,072 Now, what happens, the more times you do it daily, 1180 00:59:14,115 --> 00:59:17,684 the more intense is the response, 1181 00:59:17,728 --> 00:59:19,730 the more anchored it is, 1182 00:59:19,773 --> 00:59:22,341 but it happens the very first time 1183 00:59:22,384 --> 00:59:24,735 when you go through these instructions. 1184 00:59:26,824 --> 00:59:29,261 That's incredible. 1185 00:59:29,304 --> 00:59:32,133 That's absolutely remarkable. 1186 00:59:32,177 --> 00:59:33,787 So what you're saying is 1187 00:59:33,831 --> 00:59:35,615 that within minutes of doing a technique 1188 00:59:35,659 --> 00:59:37,748 that evokes the relaxation response, 1189 00:59:37,791 --> 00:59:41,969 we can change the way our genes are expressed? 1190 00:59:42,013 --> 00:59:44,493 Yes. Yes. And that's... 1191 00:59:44,537 --> 00:59:49,063 Now, there is a very important point here, 1192 00:59:49,107 --> 00:59:54,460 namely, the more you do it, the more intense the response. 1193 00:59:54,503 --> 01:00:00,422 That means the daily practice of these techniques is vital. 1194 01:00:01,728 --> 01:00:03,556 Sure, you can get a benefit, 1195 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,819 but you can get so much more benefit 1196 01:00:05,863 --> 01:00:09,083 if you do it on a daily basis. 1197 01:00:16,787 --> 01:00:18,484 GEORGE JELENIK: To be diagnosed with MS 1198 01:00:18,527 --> 01:00:21,661 was just an enormous... an enormous blow. 1199 01:00:21,705 --> 01:00:25,099 I mean, it's impossible to really adequately convey 1200 01:00:25,143 --> 01:00:27,972 how life-changing that is. 1201 01:00:28,015 --> 01:00:30,801 At a stage when you've got a really young family 1202 01:00:30,844 --> 01:00:35,632 and you've just been appointed to a really important new job, 1203 01:00:35,675 --> 01:00:37,546 and things seem, apparently, 1204 01:00:37,590 --> 01:00:39,418 to be going really well in your life, 1205 01:00:39,461 --> 01:00:41,463 it's like an enormous hand just reaches in 1206 01:00:41,507 --> 01:00:43,422 and takes your life away from you. 1207 01:00:43,465 --> 01:00:45,424 In an instant it's just gone. 1208 01:00:48,557 --> 01:00:51,778 I started thinking, "Why have I gotten sick? 1209 01:00:51,822 --> 01:00:54,172 "Why did I get sick right now? 1210 01:00:54,215 --> 01:00:58,263 "What is this illness doing for me? 1211 01:00:58,306 --> 01:01:02,310 "What does it mean in the context of my life?" 1212 01:01:02,354 --> 01:01:05,966 And so I...I had a path suddenly to explore. 1213 01:01:06,010 --> 01:01:08,926 I'm no stranger to medical research in the job I do, 1214 01:01:08,969 --> 01:01:10,841 so it was relatively easy for me 1215 01:01:10,884 --> 01:01:12,669 to look through the medical literature 1216 01:01:12,712 --> 01:01:15,497 and see what had been written about this illness before. 1217 01:01:15,541 --> 01:01:18,718 And really the literature had so many clues 1218 01:01:18,762 --> 01:01:21,721 about what causes MS and what makes it worse 1219 01:01:21,765 --> 01:01:25,072 that it wasn't that difficult to put that together. 1220 01:01:25,116 --> 01:01:27,422 I think I got sick, in hindsight, 1221 01:01:27,466 --> 01:01:30,556 because everything in my life was really out of whack. 1222 01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:32,079 It was really out of balance. 1223 01:01:32,123 --> 01:01:34,212 And it was the exploration of that path, really, 1224 01:01:34,255 --> 01:01:37,955 that led me to be well and keeps me well. 1225 01:01:42,089 --> 01:01:44,483 For a long time, I wouldn't use the word 'recovery' 1226 01:01:44,526 --> 01:01:46,833 because I thought... 1227 01:01:46,877 --> 01:01:50,228 That doesn't even get discussed in medical circles, 1228 01:01:50,271 --> 01:01:52,752 that it's possible to recover from MS. 1229 01:01:52,796 --> 01:01:55,059 And I thought it was really sticking my neck out 1230 01:01:55,102 --> 01:01:56,582 to say I'd recovered. 1231 01:01:56,625 --> 01:01:58,192 But in fact, from what I've seen 1232 01:01:58,236 --> 01:02:00,064 in my own personal experience now, 1233 01:02:00,107 --> 01:02:01,892 I think it's perfectly reasonable 1234 01:02:01,935 --> 01:02:05,634 to start a conversation about recovery from MS. 1235 01:02:05,678 --> 01:02:07,375 Why not? 1236 01:02:07,419 --> 01:02:08,855 It's just another chronic illness 1237 01:02:08,899 --> 01:02:10,857 like many of the others we see in the West. 1238 01:02:10,901 --> 01:02:12,293 Why couldn't you recover from that? 1239 01:02:18,735 --> 01:02:21,520 If you looked at my life now, 1240 01:02:21,563 --> 01:02:25,611 it is unrecognisable from my previous life. 1241 01:02:25,654 --> 01:02:27,265 I live a pretty healthy lifestyle. 1242 01:02:27,308 --> 01:02:30,094 So I exercise every day of the week, 1243 01:02:30,137 --> 01:02:32,792 plus walking to work and back. 1244 01:02:32,836 --> 01:02:34,533 I eat a plant-based wholefood diet, 1245 01:02:34,576 --> 01:02:39,016 I eat a lot of fish, take omega-3 supplements, vitamin D. 1246 01:02:42,933 --> 01:02:47,372 I'm perfectly happy to meditate with my colleagues at work. 1247 01:02:47,415 --> 01:02:48,939 And, interestingly enough, 1248 01:02:48,982 --> 01:02:51,071 the whole organisation at St Vincent's Hospital 1249 01:02:51,115 --> 01:02:53,030 is starting to embrace meditation. 1250 01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:00,907 When things go wrong, I seek counselling, 1251 01:03:00,951 --> 01:03:03,780 I keep my diary, 1252 01:03:03,823 --> 01:03:07,435 I've got some really good friends I can sit and talk to 1253 01:03:07,479 --> 01:03:10,047 and really close family who really understand me. 1254 01:03:10,090 --> 01:03:13,267 So, all in all, it's a whole lot easier 1255 01:03:13,311 --> 01:03:15,052 for me to stay emotionally healthy now 1256 01:03:15,095 --> 01:03:16,923 than it was in other parts of my life. 1257 01:03:21,101 --> 01:03:24,017 If you looked at the kind of cards I was dealt, 1258 01:03:24,061 --> 01:03:29,153 then I think the average person would have said that 1259 01:03:29,196 --> 01:03:34,854 that's a recipe for... for a disastrous life. 1260 01:03:34,898 --> 01:03:38,815 And yet I don't remotely feel like 1261 01:03:38,858 --> 01:03:41,861 I'm living the kind of prescription that was delivered. 1262 01:03:41,905 --> 01:03:45,647 It's real hope that you can end up perfectly well 1263 01:03:45,691 --> 01:03:48,868 after 10 or 15 years with this illness. 1264 01:03:48,912 --> 01:03:50,652 I mean, I have. 1265 01:03:50,696 --> 01:03:53,046 Through the story of George Jelenik, 1266 01:03:53,090 --> 01:03:55,919 a professor of emergency medicine, 1267 01:03:55,962 --> 01:03:57,572 we have living proof 1268 01:03:57,616 --> 01:03:59,313 that your wellness is determined 1269 01:03:59,357 --> 01:04:01,489 by far more than your genes, 1270 01:04:01,533 --> 01:04:03,578 that you can apply the latest science 1271 01:04:03,622 --> 01:04:07,713 to change the way your chronic illness affects your life. 1272 01:04:07,756 --> 01:04:10,281 But here at the frontier of mind-body medicine, 1273 01:04:10,324 --> 01:04:12,805 it doesn't stop at gene expression. 1274 01:04:12,849 --> 01:04:14,807 Thanks to the work 1275 01:04:14,851 --> 01:04:16,678 of a Nobel Prize-winning team of researchers 1276 01:04:16,722 --> 01:04:18,680 from the University of California, 1277 01:04:18,724 --> 01:04:20,508 we know that high levels of stress 1278 01:04:20,552 --> 01:04:23,685 affect the rate your DNA ages. 1279 01:04:23,729 --> 01:04:25,687 They found, for example, 1280 01:04:25,731 --> 01:04:28,168 that women with the highest levels of stress in their lives 1281 01:04:28,212 --> 01:04:30,954 had about 10 years of accelerated ageing 1282 01:04:30,997 --> 01:04:33,217 compared to low-stress women. 1283 01:04:33,260 --> 01:04:35,393 They measured this by looking at telomeres. 1284 01:04:35,436 --> 01:04:37,395 These are little caps 1285 01:04:37,438 --> 01:04:39,571 that sit on the ends of your DNA strands, 1286 01:04:39,614 --> 01:04:41,312 like the ends of shoelaces, 1287 01:04:41,355 --> 01:04:43,575 and guard your genetic information. 1288 01:04:43,618 --> 01:04:46,273 As you age, your telomeres get shorter, 1289 01:04:46,317 --> 01:04:49,233 and the shorter your telomeres, the greater the risk 1290 01:04:49,276 --> 01:04:52,105 of illnesses associated with ageing. 1291 01:04:52,149 --> 01:04:54,064 Shortened telomeres have been linked 1292 01:04:54,107 --> 01:04:58,503 to increased risk of cancers, heart disease and dementia. 1293 01:04:58,546 --> 01:05:00,548 But it's not too late. 1294 01:05:00,592 --> 01:05:02,811 A pilot study by Dr Dean Ornish 1295 01:05:02,855 --> 01:05:06,859 has shown that even this is reversible. 1296 01:05:06,903 --> 01:05:09,818 DEAN ORNISH: When people went through our lifestyle program, 1297 01:05:09,862 --> 01:05:11,559 which included stress management, 1298 01:05:11,603 --> 01:05:15,041 exercise, a healthier diet and more love and intimacy, 1299 01:05:15,085 --> 01:05:16,956 their telomeres actually got longer, 1300 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:18,523 so their lives get longer. 1301 01:05:18,566 --> 01:05:21,308 It's still the only intervention, including drugs, 1302 01:05:21,352 --> 01:05:23,528 that's been shown to actually make your telomeres longer. 1303 01:05:23,571 --> 01:05:26,052 And I think these findings are giving many people new hope 1304 01:05:26,096 --> 01:05:28,446 and new choices that they didn't have before. 1305 01:05:28,489 --> 01:05:30,056 CRAIG HASSED: I just think it's fascinating 1306 01:05:30,100 --> 01:05:31,666 to be thinking you're sitting in a chair 1307 01:05:31,710 --> 01:05:33,842 practising a mind-body technique like meditation 1308 01:05:33,886 --> 01:05:35,714 and you're doing genetic engineering at the same time. 1309 01:05:35,757 --> 01:05:37,107 I find that extraordinary. 1310 01:05:39,283 --> 01:05:43,461 So how we feel and how we relate to ourselves in the world 1311 01:05:43,504 --> 01:05:45,028 has an effect on our ageing 1312 01:05:45,071 --> 01:05:46,899 through a whole lot of different mechanisms 1313 01:05:46,943 --> 01:05:48,945 from genetics to physiology, 1314 01:05:48,988 --> 01:05:51,077 for better or for worse, 1315 01:05:51,121 --> 01:05:53,079 and things accelerate ageing 1316 01:05:53,123 --> 01:05:54,820 and there are things that slow it down, 1317 01:05:54,863 --> 01:05:56,604 and it's not surprising. 1318 01:05:56,648 --> 01:05:59,390 Having good emotional health, 1319 01:05:59,433 --> 01:06:02,001 coping well with demands of day-to-day life, 1320 01:06:02,045 --> 01:06:04,090 leading a healthy lifestyle, slow it down, 1321 01:06:04,134 --> 01:06:05,962 and the things that we associate with 1322 01:06:06,005 --> 01:06:07,964 poor mental health and an unhealthy lifestyle 1323 01:06:08,007 --> 01:06:10,096 speed it up. 1324 01:06:10,140 --> 01:06:12,838 It just depends on how fast we want to burn the wick. 1325 01:06:12,881 --> 01:06:14,927 But if there was a patentable product 1326 01:06:14,971 --> 01:06:16,668 that had those kinds of effects 1327 01:06:16,711 --> 01:06:18,148 we'd be all over it. 1328 01:06:18,191 --> 01:06:19,976 We'd be spending billions of dollars on research 1329 01:06:20,019 --> 01:06:22,065 and rolling it out in no time at all. 1330 01:06:22,108 --> 01:06:24,850 It's been nearly 10 years 1331 01:06:24,893 --> 01:06:27,940 since I was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease, 1332 01:06:27,984 --> 01:06:30,987 a 3-year journey to make this film. 1333 01:06:31,030 --> 01:06:33,119 I am not in a wheelchair. 1334 01:06:33,163 --> 01:06:35,208 I am not on medication. 1335 01:06:35,252 --> 01:06:38,124 I now see that when it comes to my health, 1336 01:06:38,168 --> 01:06:40,170 balancing my mind and body 1337 01:06:40,213 --> 01:06:42,824 is as essential as the air I breathe. 1338 01:06:42,868 --> 01:06:46,611 And in a strange way I'm grateful for the illness 1339 01:06:46,654 --> 01:06:49,744 because, like so many other people I've met along the way, 1340 01:06:49,788 --> 01:06:51,964 it wasn't until I got sick 1341 01:06:52,008 --> 01:06:55,924 that I realised I needed to get better. 1342 01:06:55,968 --> 01:06:57,361 DEAN ORNISH: I can't tell you 1343 01:06:57,404 --> 01:06:59,058 how many patients have said things to me 1344 01:06:59,102 --> 01:07:00,494 like, "Having a heart attack 1345 01:07:00,538 --> 01:07:02,322 "was the best thing that ever happened to me," 1346 01:07:02,366 --> 01:07:03,845 or, "Being diagnosed with prostate cancer..." 1347 01:07:03,889 --> 01:07:05,760 You want to go, "What? Are you nuts?" 1348 01:07:05,804 --> 01:07:07,806 And they say, "No, that's what it took to get my attention 1349 01:07:07,849 --> 01:07:09,677 "to begin making these changes in my life 1350 01:07:09,721 --> 01:07:12,245 "that have made it so much more meaningful and beautiful 1351 01:07:12,289 --> 01:07:14,073 "that I might not have ever done it otherwise." 1352 01:07:14,117 --> 01:07:16,075 They're spending more time with their loved ones, 1353 01:07:16,119 --> 01:07:19,078 they're eating and exercising more, so they feel better. 1354 01:07:19,122 --> 01:07:20,906 And so for me that's what... 1355 01:07:20,949 --> 01:07:22,690 I mean, we're all gonna die, so... 1356 01:07:22,734 --> 01:07:25,389 More important than how long we live is how well we live. 1357 01:07:27,130 --> 01:07:29,262 HERBERT BENSON: For health and wellbeing 1358 01:07:29,306 --> 01:07:31,308 and to treat illnesses, 1359 01:07:31,351 --> 01:07:35,312 of course we need drugs, of course we need surgeries, 1360 01:07:35,355 --> 01:07:38,532 but we also need the power of the mind. 1361 01:07:38,576 --> 01:07:42,014 Now we have the evidence-based proof 1362 01:07:42,058 --> 01:07:44,190 that the mind can heal, 1363 01:07:44,234 --> 01:07:47,454 and it should be added appropriately 1364 01:07:47,498 --> 01:07:51,110 to drugs and surgeries. 1365 01:07:51,154 --> 01:07:54,940 DEAN ORNISH: I've spent my whole life professionally documenting 1366 01:07:54,983 --> 01:07:57,682 what a powerful difference these simple changes can make. 1367 01:07:57,725 --> 01:08:00,641 You know, we think it has to be a new laser 1368 01:08:00,685 --> 01:08:02,643 or something really high-tech and expensive - 1369 01:08:02,687 --> 01:08:04,863 a new drug, a new surgical technique. 1370 01:08:04,906 --> 01:08:08,258 We are trying to show that these very simple choices 1371 01:08:08,301 --> 01:08:09,998 that we make in our lives each day 1372 01:08:10,042 --> 01:08:12,131 have a powerful impact on our lives, 1373 01:08:12,175 --> 01:08:15,178 much more and much more quickly than we had once realised, 1374 01:08:15,221 --> 01:08:16,962 for better and for worse. 1375 01:08:18,877 --> 01:08:20,357 JON KABAT-ZINN: Absolutely. 1376 01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,055 We have much more to say over how healthy we'll be 1377 01:08:23,099 --> 01:08:26,102 than our doctors, and how we do that 1378 01:08:26,145 --> 01:08:28,278 whether it's though yoga, whether it's through meditation, 1379 01:08:28,321 --> 01:08:30,149 whether it's through exercise, 1380 01:08:30,193 --> 01:08:32,151 whether it's through changing our diets, 1381 01:08:32,195 --> 01:08:35,154 whether it's through giving more... 1382 01:08:35,198 --> 01:08:37,156 ..airtime to our relationships 1383 01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,158 and appreciating that our relationships 1384 01:08:39,202 --> 01:08:41,900 aren't, like, off to the side someplace. 1385 01:08:41,943 --> 01:08:45,338 They're absolutely critical to how well we will feel. 1386 01:08:47,166 --> 01:08:49,473 DAVID SPIEGEL: I believe in the power of group support. 1387 01:08:49,516 --> 01:08:54,826 I have no doubt at all that it helps people live better. 1388 01:08:54,869 --> 01:08:57,916 And we are not just splendid individuals. 1389 01:08:57,959 --> 01:09:00,440 We define ourselves in part by the people around us 1390 01:09:00,484 --> 01:09:02,312 and how they interact with us. 1391 01:09:02,355 --> 01:09:05,010 And so I have no doubt at all 1392 01:09:05,053 --> 01:09:06,751 that it helps people live better, 1393 01:09:06,794 --> 01:09:08,970 and I think the evidence is accumulating 1394 01:09:09,014 --> 01:09:10,972 that it helps them live longer as well. 1395 01:09:13,888 --> 01:09:16,064 ALICE DOMAR: I know our mind and body are connected. 1396 01:09:16,108 --> 01:09:18,502 I've had thousands of patients get pregnant. 1397 01:09:18,545 --> 01:09:20,199 I know there's a mind-body connection. 1398 01:09:20,243 --> 01:09:22,070 I've seen it, I've done research on it. 1399 01:09:22,114 --> 01:09:23,855 It's a given. 1400 01:09:25,291 --> 01:09:26,771 ANDREW WEIL: I think mind-body medicine 1401 01:09:26,814 --> 01:09:28,207 is central to good medicine. 1402 01:09:28,251 --> 01:09:30,253 In fact, you know, one thing I often say 1403 01:09:30,296 --> 01:09:32,690 is that one day we'll be able to drop the word 'integrative' - 1404 01:09:32,733 --> 01:09:35,649 this will just be good medicine. 1405 01:09:35,693 --> 01:09:39,087 There is no doubt that the mind and the body are connected. 1406 01:09:39,131 --> 01:09:41,873 There is no doubt that the brain and the immune system 1407 01:09:41,916 --> 01:09:44,005 and the rest of the body are connected, 1408 01:09:44,049 --> 01:09:49,054 and that when those connections are intact and in balance 1409 01:09:49,097 --> 01:09:50,534 you have health 1410 01:09:50,577 --> 01:09:52,666 and when they're broken you have disease. 1411 01:09:52,710 --> 01:09:56,540 You can't always overcome your genes. 1412 01:09:56,583 --> 01:09:59,717 You can't always overcome your environment. 1413 01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:01,849 But with help, 1414 01:10:01,893 --> 01:10:05,070 with an experienced practitioner who can help guide you, 1415 01:10:05,113 --> 01:10:08,682 you can find the best formula 1416 01:10:08,726 --> 01:10:14,384 to help your body and your brain to help you heal. 107666

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