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50% of US marriages end in a divorce.
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Divorce is more than
a 50 billion dollar a year industry.
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This is why
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People get married,
they get divorced.
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Since I started in 1949,
when I passed a wedding,
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I'd think to myself,
"That's inventory."
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The statistics are
that more money passes
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through family law court than
all the other courts combined.
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The more you charge, the
more people are willing to pay,
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because they feel that
money equals skill.
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You know, we aren't much
different from any other
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segment of society, in terms of
money calling the shots.
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I've had cases where they've
spent $20 million in fees.
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The real standard is how
much money can we make
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off these people.
That's the standard.
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There's an expression that
people can get as much justice
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as they can afford and
that most people cannot
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afford any justice at all.
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What's wrong with
that? It's a business.
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This is a business. This
is not social services.
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DIVORCE CORP.
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People thought we were crazy,
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getting married after just
three months of dating,
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but she had children
from another marriage
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and I had my son from
a previous marriage
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and we just thought, you know,
this would be a great way
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that we could combine
our families
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and raise all these
children together
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and we were like
the Brady Bunch.
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People called us the
Byron Bunch.
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I just couldn't
have been happier.
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I've got this wonderful
new wife and a new family
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that we're starting together.
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For whatever reason, it
just didn't work out.
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The biggest single reason
for divorce in this country
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is marriage.
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Each year, about 4 million
people get married in the US.
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Although some people
plan for months,
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a basic marriage ceremony can
be completed in ten minutes.
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All that's really required
is proof of age
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and a $50 fee for
a marriage license,
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but getting divorced
is far from easy.
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Litigation lasted
for over a year.
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17 months for a
23 month marriage.
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We were only
married for a year.
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We've been going through our
divorce for a year and a half now.
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I was married
only four months
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and my divorce has lasted now
over six and a half years.
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I'll be close to eight years.
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Eight years.
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Why is divorce so difficult?
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Marriage in the US
was once considered
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a lifetime commitment.
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A divorce was something that
regular folks just didn't do.
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Back then, divorce
was considered dirty,
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both for the people
getting a divorce
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and for the lawyers handling it.
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There could not be a divorce
unless there was fault.
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Fault usually was either
adultery or cruelty,
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which was the word for abuse.
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But the feminist movement
of the 1960s began
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to change the way Americans
viewed women in the home
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and in the workplace.
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Activists considered
marriage a low-paying job,
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a trap that you couldn't escape.
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Because proving fault created
such a barrier to divorce,
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in 1969 then governor of
California, Ronald Reagan,
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responded to increasing
political pressure
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by signing the first
no-fault divorce act.
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The concept quickly spread to
most of the other 49 states.
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The divorce revolution, the
great increase in divorce
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that happened in the
70s, happened in part
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because of no-fault.
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Although no-fault laws made
it easier to file for divorce,
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they didn't make it easier
to complete a divorce.
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Even if your spouse is
in total agreement
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and wants to end things
on a happy note,
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you need the approval
of a family court,
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presided over by a
family court judge.
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But family courts can
be like the wild west,
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because certain rights provided
by the US Constitution
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do not apply in family court.
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The Constitution states that
you're entitled to a trial
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by jury and an attorney
if you can't afford one.
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All kinds of basic
mechanisms that exist
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in the criminal and civil
courts in this country
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don't exist in the
family courts.
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The family courts call
themselves courts of equity,
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not courts of law.
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Although it's not
written anywhere
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in our federal or
state constitutions,
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family courts have given
themselves a pass on juries.
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Juries keep you
keep you honest,
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because they're 12 people who
are going to make a decision,
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based on how they
look at things.
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The judge is a jury of one.
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In a family courtroom, the
judge dominates the preceding.
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In my world, where
there's no jury,
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you're the decision maker.
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I'm more comfortable with that.
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In family court, you
don't have the right
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to an attorney if you
can't afford one.
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Litigants have no
right to counsel.
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The right to an
attorney did not apply.
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and The Constitution of
the United States did not apply.
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One would think in a court
where there is no jury
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and where you're not given
the right to an attorney,
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our government would
simplify the rules
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and make it easy to
represent yourself.
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At a moment's notice,
the judge will recite a civil code,
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a procedure code, or a family
local rule code or whatever.
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You'll ask for a clarification
and the judge won't give you
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the clarification.
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It always comes back as,
"Well, you should know".
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We use terms like
"order to show cause",
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"notice of motion".
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They're not really
user-friendly,
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except for attorneys,
who are familiar with them.
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The court is not
a friendly environment.
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People are there without
an attorney, for a judge,
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they're an irritant, because
they don't know the system,
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they don't know the procedure,
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they don't know how to do this,
they don't know how to do that.
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If you are a
litigant who is acting
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as his or her own attorney
in a family court,
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you can often turn
the judge against you,
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just by means of
the way you behave,
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your lack of familiarity with
etiquette of the courtroom,
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speaking out of turn.
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They don't know
what's going on
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and there's nobody
there to guide them.
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When you ask for help
within the courthouse,
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Oh, I'm sorry,you have to go see
the court facilitator over there
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take a number and if your number
doesn't come up in eight hours,
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well, come back again
and try over again.
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So I called around the law
library in Sacramento,
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"Well, we can't give
you that information."
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Wow! What is this? This is like
top secret, priest-class stuff.
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The rules of the family
courts are documented
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in the family codes
of each state,
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but the size and complexity
of these codes
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is often overwhelming.
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This is a civil code from when
I entered law school in '46
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The family law section in this
whole book is right there.
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That's it and this
is thick paper.
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This is the family code 2011.
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Thin paper, small
print. Look at this.
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So why would our government
make the family court
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so complicated for
the average citizen?
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People often say
a law is so complicated,
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lawyers make law so complicated,
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and Congress makes law
or legislators make law
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so complicated and there
is some truth to that.
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You know, there's the old
saying from Charles Dickens
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that "The business of the law is
to make business for itself".
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The more complicated and
specialized family law is,
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the more you need an attorney.
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The lawyers are the legislators.
They make the laws.
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The more laws and the
more complex they are,
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the more we have to pay them.
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With all this complexity, it
seems like you have no choice
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but to hire a lawyer, but this
isn't some huge legal battle
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between two massive
corporations, this is divorce.
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These lawyers can't
cost that much money.
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The rate was $600 an hour.
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In the Gold Coast, Fairfield
County, it's $650 an hour.
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I'm not saying I'm
worth $700 an hour,
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but that's what I charge.
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My rate is $950 an hour.
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That's for one lawyer.
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They had assistants,
people filing.
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I was being charged for multiple
people working at the firm.
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They said,
"Tell me your hourly rate".
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I add it all together and
I said to the litigants,
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"I want you to know
the cost is $27,000 an hour."
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I said, "After two hours,
we will have spent more
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than most people in this
courthouse make in a year".
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I have to work 25 hours
to pay for one hour
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of an arrogant
attorney's time. 25 to 1.
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It comes down to,
always, money.
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With so much
money on the line,
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why don't couples
force their lawyers
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to finish divorces quickly?
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It actually has to do with the
financial setup of a marriage.
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When you file for divorce, money
from both parties is looked on
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as a shared pool of
cash that's available
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for either side's
attorney to spend.
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The first thing that lawyers
do is find out exactly
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how much money you
and your spouse have.
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You fill out an income
expense declaration, basically,
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just to find out how
much you're worth.
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What your assets are,
what you've encumbered.
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How much you
have in the bank,
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how many cars you have.
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They want an entire picture of
all your financial assets,
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because they want
to size you up.
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Once the lawyers find out
how much each side is worth,
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they tempt their clients
with the prospect
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of getting more money
through fighting.
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It has become about
winning and that's both
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from the economic
perspective and from
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this, sort of, emotional perspective.
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What you have is a tinderbox
and virtually anything
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can ignite that tinderbox
and the lawyers, frankly,
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often are throwing
gasoline on that fire.
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We're going to fight you,
and even if you win,
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you will think you lost.
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What you wind up with is
people feeling antagonized
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by the tactics of the
lawyers on the other side.
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If you and your spouse
hate each other like poison
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and want to get out of the
hellhole you call a marriage,
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you've come to the right place.
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You've got questions,
we have answers.
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I'm Reno Brackman and this
is Brutal Divorce Tactics.
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The system is an adversarial,
polarized system.
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It turns out the court system
is designed to create conflict.
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Many lawyers encourage
their clients
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to be as aggressive as possible,
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tempting them with
winning more money.
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And once someone starts making
accusations towards you
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in court, you have no
choice but to fight back,
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because if you don't,
you could lose it all.
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Your house, your money, your
possessions, your children,
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everything.
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If one side is being
reasonable and the other side
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is being totally unreasonable
and greedy and miserable,
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in thus lies the problem.
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Basically what the court does
is it creates a battleground,
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in which each side hurls
the harshest accusations
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they can come up with,
because they're desperate to win.
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There's nothing secret,
everybody's sexual habits
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and propensities and
dirty little lack of hygiene,
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every detail, their journal
and their photographs of them
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with weird toys strapped
to them come into court.
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If you want to enter the circus
and you put on the outfit
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and you want to be a
great clown and entertain,
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the system will certainly
accommodate you.
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You're getting billed by
the hour and it gets expensive
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and people need to realize that.
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The more acrimonious it is,
the smaller the things
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that the parties are
willing to fight for,
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the more they get to bill.
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Attorneys get
paid by the hour.
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The more accusations they make
towards the other side,
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the more things they
ask you to send them,
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the more papers they
file with the courthouse,
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the more they earn and
the more it costs you.
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One party files something,
you have to respond.
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If you don't respond, you
either lose by default
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or if it's a contempt petition,
you land yourself in jail.
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You're a lawyer, you
write a nasty letter,
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her lawyer has to
write a nasty letter.
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It's just a great system.
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Essentially paper
the other side
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until they can't
take it anymore.
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It's just paperwork after
paperwork after paperwork
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after paperwork.
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And there are no limits.
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When attorneys get started,
they have no incentive to stop
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until you run out of money.
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You have lawyers who
are in it for the money,
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who are greedy, who
will milk a case.
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If your case is
taking years and years,
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then that means some attorney
is just putting in a lot
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of frivolous motions
to delay the case.
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In the 60s, it'd take
a few months, a year.
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Now, cases drag on five,
six, seven, eight years.
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Which is extremely expensive,
as you can imagine.
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The attorneys definitely
don't want to settle the cases,
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because once they do,
their income stream has been cut off.
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And the lawyers have been
granted complete immunity
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in family court.
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A lawyer can say or do anything,
no matter how false or cruel
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and waste tens of thousands
of dollars intentionally
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and maliciously and
they cannot be sued
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for malicious prosecution
or excessive litigation.
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I'm not aware of any case
where a lawyer was sued
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for being overly zealous.
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Did you ever hold
an attorney in contempt?
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No.
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I really didn't have
the heart to do that.
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I would see them privately maybe
when we had lunch afterwards.
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No, because he's doing his job
and however pitiful his case was
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I'm reluctant to
embarrass attorneys.
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With such high rates
and no consequences
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for over-litigating, the money
in the marriage is often spent
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before the divorce
is even finished.
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So how do people
pay for all this?
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When the liquid cash went
out, at that point there,
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he said, "Well, I understand you
have $100,000 line of credit,"
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which I had to go ahead and
use that in order to pay
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for my legal defense.
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A lot of people go into debt
as a result of their divorces.
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Some attorneys automatically
put a lien on your house,
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just to make sure that,
eventually, they get paid.
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We took out a equity line of
credit on my parents' house
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and that's been maxed out now.
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I think it's $250,000.
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What they do is bleed you
until all the money is gone.
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And if that isn't enough, the
court can even order you
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to sell everything you own.
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A judge looks through
here and he says to me,
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"You really messed this up.
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The next time I see
you in my court,
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I'm going to order your land
sold, so you can get attorneys."
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Your home, your valuables
are all going to be sold
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to pay the lawyers
and people like me.
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The court does regularly
liquidate an asset,
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sell the house, to pay that
person to do their job.
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So the court system has
become the marketeer
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and under threat of a
court order of contempt
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have ordered you to comply with
it and then has ordered you
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to pay it and will then
collect it for them,
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as their collection agency.
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The legal system,
like many of the other systems
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in our country,
turns around money
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and money makes a big
difference on everything.
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It's not what we
think of in America,
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but it's the reality
of America.
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You didn't have family law
firms in the old days,
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because the people who ran the
big firms weren't interested
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in doing family law.
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There was no money in it.
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Once houses started
to go up in value
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and more money came into
the family law system,
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some of those big firms did
get interested in family law.
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The cases became much bigger,
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so divorce became
a business-type trial.
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It's not surprising that
the average contested divorce
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in the US costs $50,000.
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In the last 40 years,
the number of divorce
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lawyers has exploded,
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increasing over 2,000%
in California alone
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and this is a nationwide issue.
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No matter what state you live in
you're going to get pulled in.
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We're all part
of this machine
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that makes divorce a business.
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It is a business and I'm
not ashamed to say that.
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This is how I feed my family,
this is how I keep a roof
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over my head, this is how
I put gas in my Rolls Royce.
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And when children
get involved,
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things get even
more complicated.
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The real heart
of family court,
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the real thing that
is the most painful
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and that is the most
damaging is custody fights
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and I really think that courts
need to, for the most part,
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get out of that business.
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I do believe that,
in many cases,
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the system does fail children.
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The family courts
are supposed
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to acknowledge several
Supreme Court decisions
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that both parents have an equal
right to see their children.
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It's a fundamental
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constitutional right
to parenthood
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and the Supreme Court
has said it repeatedly.
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Go back over 100 years.
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Parents have a constitutional
right to raise their children.
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We have to defer to their
judgment, unless we find
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that their judgment
is detrimental.
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But it turns out the family
courts have trumped
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the Supreme Court,
with a doctrine called
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"The Best Interest
of the Child."
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This doctrine is a broad
set of guidelines
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that allows the court
to scrutinize nearly every aspect
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of parenting.
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What does this mean, the
best interest of the child?
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And you ask, you say,
"Can I have some criteria?
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Is it better to study
a lot or have friends?
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Is it better to play
baseball or chess?
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Is it better to watch old movies
on TV or watch the new movies?"
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If there was
a legislative definition
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of what the best interest is,
then of course,
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we could follow that.
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It ends up meaning pretty
much whatever first,
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the trial judge and then a court
of appeal court wants it
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to mean.
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The judge gets to decide
whether the parent's ethics,
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morals, and behavior
fits his or her profile
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for the perfect parent
and ultimately,
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they have the undisputed
power to choose one parent
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over the other or
neither parent at all.
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What I would
consider a good parent,
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another judge might not
consider a good parent.
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They have to decide
who is best for the child,
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and who's a better parent.
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Suppose you're in the 88th
percentile as a parent
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and then the other parent
is in the 93rd percentile,
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then you can, as a judge, say,
"I think the child
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should spend more time,
because that's better."
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Whereas if you have
two parents and one is
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in the third percentile
and the other is
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in the eighth percentile,
the 8th would get it,
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between those two parents.
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But look at that.
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The one who's in the 88th
now doesn't get his child
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and one who's in the
8th does get his child
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because of the purely fortuitous
circumstances of the marriage
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or the union.
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The whole thing is just insane.
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As long as you treat
your family well
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and there's not anything
going on criminally
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and there's not some abuse,
the state doesn't get involved,
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but for some reason, when
you file for divorce,
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a whole bunch of
strangers are starting
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to look up your dress.
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Neglect and abuse, sure.
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The government has a right to be
there, has a duty to be there.
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We're talking about the
situation in family court,
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two fit parents who,
outside of this system,
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would never be challenged,
in terms of their right
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to be with their child.
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You need evaluators,
you need psychologists,
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you need all these people to
tell you what you did wrong.
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I will never understand that.
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Because the concept of the
best interest of the child
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is so nebulous, the court
system created a position
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called a custody evaluator.
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These evaluators advise the
judges to help them determine
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who should get custody
of the children.
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As a parenting evaluator,
you conduct all sorts of tests,
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personality tests, and then
make a recommendation
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who should get primary
custody of the kids.
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Give me a list of
all your friends,
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all the people who
know you, and they go
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and interview each and
every one of them and
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then every time someone
says something good or bad,
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they look into that.
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00:20:16,682 --> 00:20:18,084
Many people are
very defensive
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when they're being
evaluated by a stranger
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to see if they're
a worthwhile parent.
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And who wouldn't be?
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The MMPI, Minnesota Multiphasic
Personality Inventory,
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has test/retest reliability that
50% of the people change
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in less than two weeks.
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It's the most widely used
test in the country,
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00:20:34,734 --> 00:20:37,570
but it is not a reliable test.
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00:20:37,570 --> 00:20:40,072
In showing you a
bunch of inkblots,
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"What's this look like?
What do you see in here?"
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00:20:42,074 --> 00:20:46,695
and then scoring you for
narcissism or defensiveness
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00:20:46,847 --> 00:20:50,140
or paranoia because you
see bats and butterflies
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00:20:50,303 --> 00:20:52,516
and birds is not
based on science.
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It's unethical.
It is unconscionably unethical.
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The custody evaluators,
for the most part,
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are a bunch of morons making
money off the backs
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of people who don't even quite
understand the system.
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00:21:02,928 --> 00:21:04,497
Do you know what
the qualifications
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of being a custody
evaluator are?
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Can I name them?
Probably not.
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I can tell you it took my
attending a two day seminar
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that one could basically
sleep through.
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As a parenting evaluator,
you don't have to be good
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at understanding
the human condition
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or knowing who would
be a better parent.
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What you have to be good at is
writing reports and testifying
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and being able to convince
a judge that you know
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what you're talking about.
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In the old days, you could
get those evaluations
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for anywhere from
$2,500 to $5,000,
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more typically
$5,000 to $7,500.
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Now, I'm seeing
them $35,000, $60,000.
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They're very expensive.
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You end up getting a bill
for $50,000 to $100,000
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for the evaluation that,
until you filed for divorce,
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none of this was an issue.
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Evaluators are frequently
hired by one parent
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or the other,
so the evaluator's purpose is
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to achieve the parent's goal,
the goal of the parent
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who hired him or her.
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Whatever expert you get
to say about how bad mom is
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at parenting her child,
the other side can
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get another expert to say
mom is a great parent.
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And that's where the rub comes,
because the fact
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that it has no merit.
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It's known within the industry
that certain firms
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have certain custody evaluators
in their back pocket
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and I can confirm that
that's what happens.
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So, it really shows you
so often what matters
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is not the relationship between
the children and both parents,
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but money.
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Deborah Singer had
an experience with one
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of those evaluators.
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My case was
very, very simple.
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I had been taking care of my
daughter since she was born,
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alone since she was nine
months old, financially,
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providing in every, every way.
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In Ms. Singer's case, there
was a particular bank account
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that had liquid funds.
488
00:23:05,951 --> 00:23:08,187
Once the court sees the
financial picture, it says,
489
00:23:08,187 --> 00:23:10,389
"Now I know I've got
money to work with."
490
00:23:10,389 --> 00:23:11,590
She said that in court.
491
00:23:11,647 --> 00:23:14,117
On the transcript,
sure. On the record.
492
00:23:15,494 --> 00:23:16,829
Commissioner Gretchen
Taylor said,
493
00:23:16,829 --> 00:23:19,832
"There is going to be
a custody evaluation
494
00:23:19,832 --> 00:23:23,369
and you're either going
to pick Dr. Susie Dupay
495
00:23:23,369 --> 00:23:25,004
or Dr. Joseph Kenan.
496
00:23:25,004 --> 00:23:28,007
No other custody evaluator
was acceptable for the judge,
497
00:23:28,007 --> 00:23:31,043
so they chose Dr. Joseph Kenan.
498
00:23:31,043 --> 00:23:33,779
He pulled up
in an Aston Martin,
499
00:23:33,779 --> 00:23:35,948
he was dressed very, very well.
500
00:23:35,948 --> 00:23:37,516
He didn't even know my name.
501
00:23:37,516 --> 00:23:38,984
He didn't know my
ex-husband's name,
502
00:23:38,984 --> 00:23:40,319
he didn't know anything
about the case,
503
00:23:40,319 --> 00:23:41,954
which was very shocking.
504
00:23:41,954 --> 00:23:44,290
I sat down with him and he put
a microphone in front of me
505
00:23:44,290 --> 00:23:48,090
and said, "Tell me about birth
until you were 10 years old."
506
00:23:48,761 --> 00:23:52,439
So I start talking. He was
sweating, he was anxious.
507
00:23:52,965 --> 00:23:54,733
I felt very uncomfortable.
508
00:23:54,733 --> 00:23:56,669
I could tell that
there was something
509
00:23:56,669 --> 00:23:58,337
that just wasn't
settling right.
510
00:23:58,337 --> 00:24:01,907
My instinct was that there
was something terribly wrong.
511
00:24:01,907 --> 00:24:04,285
When it was over, she
gave Dr. Kenan a check
512
00:24:04,460 --> 00:24:08,178
for his agreed upon
fee, $7,500.
513
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,178
He rushed directly to
her bank to cash the check.
514
00:24:11,183 --> 00:24:14,486
I got a call from the manager
at the bank, who I know,
515
00:24:14,486 --> 00:24:16,375
and said,
"There is a man downstairs
516
00:24:16,543 --> 00:24:16,889
trying to cash a check
517
00:24:16,889 --> 00:24:21,028
for $7,500", and I thought,
"Why would this doctor
518
00:24:21,166 --> 00:24:23,413
not just deposit my
check into his account?"
519
00:24:23,595 --> 00:24:26,065
Within a couple of
days type of thing,
520
00:24:26,065 --> 00:24:28,233
I received a phone
call from him.
521
00:24:28,233 --> 00:24:32,037
He was asserting to me
that for another 25 or 35
522
00:24:32,037 --> 00:24:34,907
he'd be able to give
us what we wanted.
523
00:24:34,907 --> 00:24:39,237
I said, "25?" and he
said, "Yeah, $25,000".
524
00:24:39,912 --> 00:24:43,782
And, of course, then I realized
I'm dealing with a major problem.
525
00:24:44,184 --> 00:24:48,017
Right this moment,
as the wheels turn, you think about,
526
00:24:48,150 --> 00:24:51,941
"Am I going to accuse
the judge's appointed
527
00:24:53,462 --> 00:24:57,754
licensed psychiatrist of
attempting to commit extortion?"
528
00:24:58,063 --> 00:25:02,503
We spin out of control,
it bodes poorly against my client,
529
00:25:02,601 --> 00:25:04,837
and all hell breaks loose.
530
00:25:04,837 --> 00:25:06,243
I didn't know what to do.
531
00:25:07,306 --> 00:25:08,974
I get a call out of
the blue from somebody
532
00:25:08,974 --> 00:25:10,809
who wanted to have
lunch with me.
533
00:25:10,809 --> 00:25:13,779
Coming back from lunch,
we bump into Dr. Kenan
534
00:25:13,779 --> 00:25:15,447
on the street.
535
00:25:15,447 --> 00:25:18,517
My friend looks over and
sees him and I looked at him
536
00:25:18,517 --> 00:25:21,920
and I said, "Do you know him?"
and he said, literally,
537
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,556
"Do I know him?
Hold on a second.
538
00:25:24,556 --> 00:25:26,358
I'll show you his Facebook."
539
00:25:26,358 --> 00:25:31,430
Instead of Joe Kenan, he
calls himself Joe Kegan.
540
00:25:38,723 --> 00:25:42,327
There was one after
another of shocking photos
541
00:25:42,723 --> 00:25:46,996
of sex, porn stars, cocaine.
542
00:25:48,896 --> 00:25:50,340
It took them
ten years for me.
543
00:25:50,382 --> 00:25:56,333
It goes to the degree of
how well I hid things.
544
00:25:59,444 --> 00:26:01,728
One specific photograph,
it was a picture
545
00:26:01,862 --> 00:26:03,692
of Dr. Kenan and his
two other friends.
546
00:26:03,829 --> 00:26:06,031
It was a flier for a
party and it said,
547
00:26:06,031 --> 00:26:08,935
"The Dysfunctional Family,"
and at the bottom of it,
548
00:26:09,091 --> 00:26:13,528
it said, "Bareback anal sex with
strangers following the event."
549
00:26:14,692 --> 00:26:17,883
And I'm thinking, "This is
the guy that's going to tell me
550
00:26:18,031 --> 00:26:19,424
"whether or not
I'm a good mother?"
551
00:26:19,912 --> 00:26:23,845
If I had one photo, one photo
like that on my Facebook,
552
00:26:24,216 --> 00:26:27,352
Dr. Kenan would have taken
my child away from me.
553
00:26:27,352 --> 00:26:28,253
She would have been gone.
554
00:26:28,253 --> 00:26:30,456
Probably any
evaluator, actually.
555
00:26:30,456 --> 00:26:32,124
Do whatever you want
in your private life,
556
00:26:32,124 --> 00:26:35,327
but you do not get to determine
what's best for my child.
557
00:26:39,016 --> 00:26:40,016
When the story hit the press,
558
00:26:40,332 --> 00:26:42,334
Dennis Braun received phone
calls from other parents
559
00:26:42,334 --> 00:26:45,404
that had been evaluated
by Dr. Kenan.
560
00:26:45,404 --> 00:26:48,874
Out of the hundred or
so phone calls that I received,
561
00:26:48,874 --> 00:26:52,167
women were literally
crying on the phone to me
562
00:26:52,361 --> 00:26:56,878
about the injustice they felt
had been perpetrated upon them
563
00:26:57,037 --> 00:27:01,507
by Dr. Kenan and I kind of
found it somewhat disingenuous
564
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,510
that the court would say
that they had not heard
565
00:27:03,693 --> 00:27:06,753
that Dr. Kenan was one of
the questionable evaluators.
566
00:27:08,313 --> 00:27:11,196
Turns out the court system is
well aware of issues like this.
567
00:27:11,196 --> 00:27:14,366
In 2010, California's auditor
was ordered to examine
568
00:27:14,366 --> 00:27:15,734
the family courts.
569
00:27:15,734 --> 00:27:17,836
The audit discovered that
the courts were forcing parents
570
00:27:17,836 --> 00:27:20,139
to pay thousands of
dollars to unlicensed
571
00:27:20,139 --> 00:27:22,582
and unqualified evaluators.
572
00:27:25,389 --> 00:27:27,410
I'm an ex-cop, all right?
573
00:27:27,553 --> 00:27:28,830
I know what it is to
drive a police car,
574
00:27:28,988 --> 00:27:30,276
I know what it is to
sit in the back of one.
575
00:27:30,282 --> 00:27:33,861
I'm not easily hustled and when
I see these custody evaluators,
576
00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:35,199
they sicken me.
577
00:27:35,254 --> 00:27:38,657
There has been no outreach
whatsoever about this
578
00:27:38,657 --> 00:27:42,561
from the court system and
Dr. Kenan is free to continue
579
00:27:42,561 --> 00:27:45,898
to do custody evaluations
if lawyers contact him,
580
00:27:45,898 --> 00:27:47,847
which I fully believe they are.
581
00:27:49,346 --> 00:27:51,094
It seems the courts are
trying to protect themselves
582
00:27:51,266 --> 00:27:53,659
from getting exposed,
no matter what the cost.
583
00:28:00,646 --> 00:28:03,515
Dan Brewington and his
wife had two daughters,
584
00:28:03,515 --> 00:28:05,817
When Dan's wife filed
for divorce, they decided
585
00:28:05,817 --> 00:28:08,887
to split their time
with the children 50/50,
586
00:28:08,887 --> 00:28:11,623
but their divorce dragged
on for over two years.
587
00:28:11,623 --> 00:28:12,955
After going through
two lawyers
588
00:28:13,281 --> 00:28:14,927
and nearly running
out of money,
589
00:28:14,927 --> 00:28:16,995
Dan decided to
represent himself
590
00:28:16,995 --> 00:28:19,932
with a little informal
advice from Bob Kelly.
591
00:28:19,932 --> 00:28:23,235
Close to three years
ago, he would stop in
592
00:28:23,235 --> 00:28:27,620
and ask me general questions
or if I could provide him
593
00:28:27,794 --> 00:28:29,404
with information.
594
00:28:29,571 --> 00:28:33,525
In Dan's case, he had equal
parenting time with his wife.
595
00:28:33,740 --> 00:28:36,748
There was no problem,
no allegations of abuse,
596
00:28:36,748 --> 00:28:39,952
no allegations of harm
to the children
597
00:28:39,952 --> 00:28:42,016
in any way, shape, or form.
598
00:28:51,630 --> 00:28:53,565
This is where
they were born.
599
00:28:53,565 --> 00:28:56,969
They did diapers, bottles,
potty training, everything
600
00:28:56,969 --> 00:28:58,971
and nothing went wrong.
601
00:28:58,971 --> 00:29:02,074
There was no drugs,
no alcohol, anything like that.
602
00:29:02,074 --> 00:29:05,077
And so for two and a half years,
there were no complaints,
603
00:29:05,077 --> 00:29:10,386
no child custody investigations,
no anybody trying
604
00:29:10,568 --> 00:29:12,532
to change the visitation
arrangements.
605
00:29:14,286 --> 00:29:17,122
But Dan went through
a custody evaluation.
606
00:29:17,122 --> 00:29:21,453
The custody evaluation
report was 29 pages.
607
00:29:22,521 --> 00:29:25,697
One of the tests that Dan had taken,
he had nine categories.
608
00:29:25,697 --> 00:29:29,301
In eight categories,
he scored average or above.
609
00:29:29,301 --> 00:29:33,171
And when Dan asked why none of
the good stuff was ever mentioned,
610
00:29:33,171 --> 00:29:36,608
he said that he was only
paid to find the bad stuff.
611
00:29:36,608 --> 00:29:39,544
They accused of him of
being possibly paranoid
612
00:29:39,544 --> 00:29:43,148
and paranoid people
sometimes strike out.
613
00:29:43,148 --> 00:29:46,184
Dan felt that he was being
railroaded by the evaluator,
614
00:29:46,184 --> 00:29:47,886
so he started a blog
site to express
615
00:29:47,886 --> 00:29:50,188
what he felt was an injustice.
616
00:29:50,188 --> 00:29:53,325
Dan soon found examples where
the evaluator may have acted
617
00:29:53,325 --> 00:29:55,994
in biased or inconsistent ways.
618
00:29:55,994 --> 00:29:57,796
For example, Dan's
evaluator recommended
619
00:29:57,796 --> 00:30:01,366
that a mother who had had
sex with a 15 year old boy
620
00:30:01,366 --> 00:30:03,757
and who served alcohol
to minors in her home
621
00:30:04,233 --> 00:30:07,570
be granted more custody than
was recommended for Dan.
622
00:30:08,238 --> 00:30:11,506
Dan Brewington was
the individual who got in,
623
00:30:11,977 --> 00:30:14,379
started digging,
made a determination
624
00:30:14,379 --> 00:30:17,849
that this psychologist
who was being appointed
625
00:30:17,849 --> 00:30:23,201
by judges in Indiana was not
licensed to practice psychology
626
00:30:23,955 --> 00:30:28,378
in Indiana, so once Dan
Brewington got that ball rolling
627
00:30:28,694 --> 00:30:29,995
he was a marked man.
628
00:30:29,995 --> 00:30:32,364
The judge takes
a look at the situation,
629
00:30:32,364 --> 00:30:33,765
what's the first recourse?
630
00:30:33,765 --> 00:30:37,502
He wants to avoid the publicity,
"Take down your blog".
631
00:30:38,072 --> 00:30:39,287
There was
a preliminary hearing,
632
00:30:39,461 --> 00:30:41,499
in which the judged warned
that Dan needed to take down
633
00:30:41,644 --> 00:30:44,047
his blog site if he wanted
to see his little girls.
634
00:30:45,210 --> 00:30:48,213
Just saying that
is threatening.
635
00:30:48,213 --> 00:30:50,082
You know,
I can't make you take it down,
636
00:30:50,082 --> 00:30:51,616
because it's your
First Amendment right,
637
00:30:51,616 --> 00:30:55,120
and, so he's saying you either
can have First Amendment rights
638
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,988
or you have your children,
but unlike most people,
639
00:30:56,988 --> 00:30:58,957
you can't have both.
640
00:30:58,957 --> 00:31:02,248
For that judge to say,
"You won't get to see your children
641
00:31:03,026 --> 00:31:06,154
if you don't take that blog
down," is absolutely
642
00:31:06,473 --> 00:31:08,467
in violation of
the First Amendment.
643
00:31:08,467 --> 00:31:10,335
Dan felt that his
First Amendment right
644
00:31:10,396 --> 00:31:11,809
to the freedom of
speech enabled him
645
00:31:11,966 --> 00:31:14,888
to continue publishing his blog,
so he didn't remove it.
646
00:31:15,173 --> 00:31:17,476
As a consequence,
two and a half months later,
647
00:31:17,476 --> 00:31:21,103
the judge completely rescinded
Dan's right to see his girls.
648
00:31:21,613 --> 00:31:25,050
No visitation whatsoever.
649
00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:27,285
Even convicted felons
are granted visitation
650
00:31:27,285 --> 00:31:28,954
of their children.
651
00:31:28,954 --> 00:31:31,857
I believe that he did that
to be malicious and vindictive,
652
00:31:31,857 --> 00:31:33,091
to take the girls away.
653
00:31:33,327 --> 00:31:36,821
I've had clients who
have either had alcohol,
654
00:31:36,962 --> 00:31:38,730
drug problems, or whatever.
655
00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:44,052
They've all received visitation,
even if it's supervised.
656
00:31:44,669 --> 00:31:47,305
They went out the
front door and I said,
657
00:31:47,305 --> 00:31:50,095
"Goodbye my darlings.
I'll see you tomorrow
658
00:31:50,379 --> 00:31:51,609
and we'll plan
the birthday cake",
659
00:31:52,605 --> 00:31:54,571
and I've never seen them since.
660
00:31:56,606 --> 00:31:59,622
And evaluators are just one
of the many types of experts
661
00:31:59,745 --> 00:32:01,249
that a judge can
assign to your case.
662
00:32:01,930 --> 00:32:03,887
In fact, if evaluators
aren't enough,
663
00:32:04,281 --> 00:32:07,415
the court can even appoint
lawyers to represent children.
664
00:32:11,496 --> 00:32:14,065
This is our
leopard gecko, Star.
665
00:32:14,065 --> 00:32:16,365
I got custody of him.
666
00:32:19,009 --> 00:32:22,332
I actually got this sign
right after I got divorced.
667
00:32:23,074 --> 00:32:24,976
I laugh a lot.
668
00:32:24,976 --> 00:32:28,146
The sign in the kitchen
makes me think
669
00:32:28,146 --> 00:32:30,949
of my oldest daughter.
670
00:32:30,949 --> 00:32:34,419
The divorce process in 2004,
we sat down together,
671
00:32:34,419 --> 00:32:37,989
we came up with our own
agreement that was fairly simple
672
00:32:37,989 --> 00:32:40,225
and we wrote our
own custody schedule,
673
00:32:40,225 --> 00:32:43,128
which was a 50/50 custody split.
674
00:32:43,128 --> 00:32:47,032
In November of 2008,
my ex-husband
675
00:32:47,032 --> 00:32:51,185
started violating court orders
and withheld one of our children
676
00:32:51,580 --> 00:32:52,513
from being with me.
677
00:32:55,754 --> 00:32:57,320
Wendy pleaded
with her ex-husband
678
00:32:57,473 --> 00:33:00,293
to maintain the custody
schedule, but he refused,
679
00:33:00,879 --> 00:33:03,894
so she took the matter to
family court to ask for help.
680
00:33:04,082 --> 00:33:08,584
My ex-husband's attorney
asked for a guardian ad litem,
681
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,995
or what's called an amicus
attorney to be appointed
682
00:33:13,174 --> 00:33:13,810
to our case.
683
00:33:14,526 --> 00:33:16,862
Her job was supposed
to be to determine
684
00:33:16,862 --> 00:33:19,498
what's in the best
interest of the children.
685
00:33:19,498 --> 00:33:21,466
Sometimes the courts
will appoint an attorney
686
00:33:21,466 --> 00:33:26,026
to represent the child,
but that is not necessarily
687
00:33:26,143 --> 00:33:27,501
a positive step, either.
688
00:33:27,672 --> 00:33:29,351
She told me in
our first meeting
689
00:33:29,797 --> 00:33:32,284
that she would be giving
custody to my ex-husband.
690
00:33:33,189 --> 00:33:34,714
It was very shocking to me.
691
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,733
I have seen some attorneys who,
because they want
692
00:33:39,051 --> 00:33:40,301
to curry favor with a judge,
693
00:33:40,829 --> 00:33:43,655
so that that judge will
appoint them again,
694
00:33:43,655 --> 00:33:46,758
they tend to provide
a report that leans toward
695
00:33:46,758 --> 00:33:48,829
what they think the
judge wants anyway.
696
00:33:50,028 --> 00:33:51,942
It's not a positive system.
697
00:33:52,531 --> 00:33:56,411
The amicus attorney
sent me a bill for $11,000
698
00:33:57,202 --> 00:33:59,070
and they knew I
didn't have $11,000.
699
00:33:59,070 --> 00:34:02,173
I took my bank
statements to the court
700
00:34:02,173 --> 00:34:06,311
and they knew that I was to
the point where I had nothing left.
701
00:34:06,311 --> 00:34:08,880
Some of these children
can't say, "goo goo, ga ga",
702
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,074
and yet these lawyers are sending
you these outrageous bills
703
00:34:12,281 --> 00:34:13,624
for all these
sessions they had.
704
00:34:14,152 --> 00:34:15,854
We kept getting
the same figure,
705
00:34:15,854 --> 00:34:17,989
where she was billing
the same number of hours
706
00:34:17,989 --> 00:34:21,660
to all these different cases and
she's got dozens and dozens
707
00:34:21,660 --> 00:34:24,296
of cases, couldn't
possibly have performed
708
00:34:24,296 --> 00:34:25,672
this number of hours.
709
00:34:26,175 --> 00:34:27,465
A few of these lawyers
have gotten away
710
00:34:27,465 --> 00:34:30,435
with hundreds of
thousands of dollars
711
00:34:30,435 --> 00:34:33,505
taking kids to movies
and going to have lunch.
712
00:34:33,505 --> 00:34:35,774
Now in the audits of Marin
and Sacramento County,
713
00:34:35,774 --> 00:34:37,909
this was found to be
a highly abusive area,
714
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:41,780
where the minors' counsel's
bills weren't being looked at
715
00:34:41,780 --> 00:34:43,815
and they would just submit them,
they'd pencil whip them,
716
00:34:43,815 --> 00:34:46,017
and write them a check
and the parents ended up
717
00:34:46,017 --> 00:34:49,154
being responsible for a bill
that they couldn't get in
718
00:34:49,154 --> 00:34:50,822
and audit.
719
00:34:50,822 --> 00:34:54,392
I can't dispute any of
the guardian ad litem fees.
720
00:34:54,392 --> 00:34:58,632
I asked to get a statement
at one point of her fees,
721
00:34:58,809 --> 00:35:01,847
so I could understand
how she was billing
722
00:35:02,233 --> 00:35:06,486
and she told me that
the guardian ad litem bills,
723
00:35:06,669 --> 00:35:09,240
she can give to
the children only,
724
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:11,039
because she's their attorney.
725
00:35:11,794 --> 00:35:16,995
Now, my children are under
the age of ten years old.
726
00:35:17,148 --> 00:35:20,051
They would not understand
any of the fees,
727
00:35:20,051 --> 00:35:21,386
but she refused to
give them to me,
728
00:35:21,386 --> 00:35:25,657
so whatever she wrote
down is what I had to pay.
729
00:35:25,657 --> 00:35:29,464
It was actually very clever
on the other attorneys' parts.
730
00:35:29,836 --> 00:35:33,654
I got an ultimatum,
a motion for enforcement,
731
00:35:34,455 --> 00:35:38,058
that said, "Pay this
$11,000 or go to jail."
732
00:35:38,837 --> 00:35:41,794
So, it really got to
the end of the line for me.
733
00:35:44,638 --> 00:35:45,849
With her back
against the wall,
734
00:35:46,211 --> 00:35:49,080
Wendy decided to
do some digging.
735
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,517
We had gone in and we had
obtained some public records
736
00:35:52,517 --> 00:35:55,487
from the Ethics Commission.
737
00:35:56,926 --> 00:36:02,225
I came to find out and it is
reflected in public documents
738
00:36:02,424 --> 00:36:07,432
that the amicus attorney in
our case has relationships
739
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,896
with the judge in our case and
she has worked very closely
740
00:36:12,036 --> 00:36:15,066
with my ex-husband's attorneys
in previous cases
741
00:36:15,534 --> 00:36:19,651
and in fact, my ex-husband's
attorneys represented
742
00:36:19,957 --> 00:36:21,871
the amicus attorney in a case.
743
00:36:23,505 --> 00:36:24,816
Wendy kept digging.
744
00:36:24,816 --> 00:36:28,153
We found that the amicus
attorney in our case
745
00:36:28,153 --> 00:36:31,873
was a large campaign contributor
to the judge in our case
746
00:36:32,290 --> 00:36:34,659
and the attorneys
representing my ex-husband
747
00:36:34,659 --> 00:36:37,395
were also large campaign
contributors to the judge
748
00:36:37,395 --> 00:36:39,631
in our case.
749
00:36:40,521 --> 00:36:42,089
It seems kind of
unbelievable to me
750
00:36:42,268 --> 00:36:47,962
that the judge who's hearing
the case or one of the parties,
751
00:36:48,206 --> 00:36:52,117
their attorneys is a very
large campaign contributor.
752
00:36:52,911 --> 00:36:56,174
Sounds like a conflict of
interest, doesn't it?
753
00:36:58,650 --> 00:37:00,652
And that wasn't all she found.
754
00:37:00,652 --> 00:37:04,022
If you pull the records from
the Texas Ethics Commission,
755
00:37:04,022 --> 00:37:06,337
you'll find oftentimes
that the attorneys
756
00:37:06,488 --> 00:37:08,893
who make the largest
contributions to the judges
757
00:37:08,893 --> 00:37:12,630
tend to win most
of their cases.
758
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:14,899
Because of all this,
Wendy requested a new judge,
759
00:37:14,899 --> 00:37:17,502
in an effort to
get a fair trial.
760
00:37:17,502 --> 00:37:19,637
The courts responded by
asking another judge
761
00:37:19,637 --> 00:37:21,873
to rule on whether there
was a conflict of interest,
762
00:37:21,873 --> 00:37:24,709
regarding the campaign
contributions.
763
00:37:24,709 --> 00:37:28,204
The other judge heard the case
and denied Wendy's request,
764
00:37:28,613 --> 00:37:30,882
but made a very
interesting speech
765
00:37:30,882 --> 00:37:33,952
And the judge said,
"This thing about contributions
766
00:37:33,952 --> 00:37:37,722
"is as uncomfortable for a judge
as any topic you can get on.
767
00:37:37,722 --> 00:37:42,743
"That's because you folks that
are non lawyers don't contribute
768
00:37:42,930 --> 00:37:46,839
"to judicial campaigns and
the only way that a judge can run
769
00:37:46,664 --> 00:37:50,135
"for reelection is to raise
money for all those things
770
00:37:50,135 --> 00:37:52,804
"that cost to get your
name before the public
771
00:37:52,804 --> 00:37:56,124
"and you know who has the most
interest in seeing that done?
772
00:37:57,175 --> 00:37:59,043
"The lawyers".
773
00:37:59,043 --> 00:38:01,579
If we read on, he says
the lawyers only contribute
774
00:38:01,579 --> 00:38:03,081
"to good judges."
775
00:38:03,081 --> 00:38:06,651
So what does it mean to be a good
judge in the eyes of a lawyer?
776
00:38:06,651 --> 00:38:10,822
Perhaps it means seeing
things their way.
777
00:38:10,822 --> 00:38:13,291
Some lawyers even boast that
they can control the outcome
778
00:38:13,291 --> 00:38:15,660
of a case.
779
00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:18,730
They have it now where
$300,000 to $400,000
780
00:38:18,730 --> 00:38:21,099
will guarantee the outcome.
781
00:38:21,099 --> 00:38:23,835
Amazingly, these same
judges are also the ones
782
00:38:23,835 --> 00:38:26,704
who approve the bills of
all the court professionals
783
00:38:26,704 --> 00:38:28,540
who work on your case.
784
00:38:28,540 --> 00:38:30,742
If we talk about who
are the most ferocious,
785
00:38:30,742 --> 00:38:34,500
more feared collectors, often
you hear things like the IRS, right?
786
00:38:35,322 --> 00:38:37,749
On that list, near the top of
the list of the most fearsome
787
00:38:37,749 --> 00:38:39,651
would be the courts.
788
00:38:39,651 --> 00:38:43,021
And the reason is they have
a lot of extralegal tools.
789
00:38:43,021 --> 00:38:45,423
There's very few
businesses in America
790
00:38:45,423 --> 00:38:50,118
where you can sit back and
a judge sends you the business
791
00:38:50,461 --> 00:38:52,830
and a judge collects
your money for you
792
00:38:52,830 --> 00:38:56,968
and that money
gets to you for sure.
793
00:38:56,968 --> 00:39:01,055
And the beauty of this is all
they've got to do is get in good
794
00:39:01,105 --> 00:39:02,907
with the judges.
795
00:39:02,907 --> 00:39:05,543
And campaign contributions are
just one of many incentives
796
00:39:05,543 --> 00:39:07,912
that are used to
influence judges.
797
00:39:07,912 --> 00:39:09,747
They have a family
law section of the
798
00:39:09,747 --> 00:39:10,882
Los Angeles County Bar
799
00:39:10,882 --> 00:39:13,284
that's very active,
that puts on programs.
800
00:39:13,284 --> 00:39:15,820
Some judges will sit on
that executive committee
801
00:39:15,820 --> 00:39:18,923
from time to time,
judges will be in all the programs
802
00:39:18,923 --> 00:39:22,694
that they present. You work
together with them on panels
803
00:39:22,694 --> 00:39:25,296
on presentations, so
there's a lot of contact
804
00:39:25,296 --> 00:39:28,705
and communication and you
see these same lawyers
805
00:39:29,202 --> 00:39:30,342
all the time.
806
00:39:30,668 --> 00:39:32,837
The law firms have
created conferences,
807
00:39:32,837 --> 00:39:35,640
all expense paid trips,
and even awards that they give
808
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,141
to the judges.
809
00:39:37,141 --> 00:39:39,978
And these activities are often
sponsored by the same lawyers
810
00:39:39,978 --> 00:39:42,300
who present cases
to these judges.
811
00:39:43,591 --> 00:39:47,979
I love my lawyers and I'm
very, very happy to say
812
00:39:48,857 --> 00:39:54,397
that I was awarded by
both the plaintiff's bar,
813
00:39:54,616 --> 00:39:57,296
when they had their annual
convention with expenses paid
814
00:39:58,268 --> 00:40:01,766
and I was awarded by
the defense bar.
815
00:40:01,766 --> 00:40:06,369
Boy, their trip was to Spain and
we had two judges along there.
816
00:40:06,904 --> 00:40:11,786
I just was very close with the
vast majority of my lawyers
817
00:40:11,876 --> 00:40:15,833
and it was no
conflict whatsoever.
818
00:40:19,257 --> 00:40:20,618
But these are small potatoes,
819
00:40:20,618 --> 00:40:23,855
compared to the largest
incentives for judges.
820
00:40:23,855 --> 00:40:25,456
When a judge goes
into retirement,
821
00:40:25,456 --> 00:40:27,058
they not only get
a generous pension,
822
00:40:27,058 --> 00:40:29,861
but they also have the option
to continue practicing privately
823
00:40:29,861 --> 00:40:32,297
as a judge or as a lawyer.
824
00:40:32,297 --> 00:40:35,366
Law firms often hire the retired
judges to rule on cases
825
00:40:35,366 --> 00:40:36,834
outside the court.
826
00:40:36,834 --> 00:40:39,082
And the law firms pay
is exponentially higher
827
00:40:39,188 --> 00:40:41,018
than what they were paid
by the government.
828
00:40:41,572 --> 00:40:43,808
So guess which judges get
hired most often to work
829
00:40:43,808 --> 00:40:46,377
for these law firms.
830
00:40:46,377 --> 00:40:48,579
And, of course, some of
the judges, it's interesting,
831
00:40:48,579 --> 00:40:50,948
is that a lot of them
are millionaires, too.
832
00:40:50,948 --> 00:40:51,983
I mean, how about
that for a thought?
833
00:40:51,983 --> 00:40:54,686
You guys ever
thought about that?
834
00:40:54,686 --> 00:40:57,488
Many civil judges nowadays
go into arbitrations
835
00:40:57,488 --> 00:40:59,190
and mediations afterwards.
836
00:40:59,190 --> 00:41:00,892
I'm seeing the same
lawyers that I saw
837
00:41:00,892 --> 00:41:02,727
when I was sitting
on the bench.
838
00:41:02,727 --> 00:41:06,864
What we try to do is
go to retired judges,
839
00:41:06,864 --> 00:41:09,834
pay them their hourly rate
and have them hear our cases.
840
00:41:09,834 --> 00:41:12,770
I charge $500 an hour.
841
00:41:12,770 --> 00:41:15,406
There's some people
who charge $400,
842
00:41:15,406 --> 00:41:17,742
some people who charge $600.
843
00:41:17,742 --> 00:41:19,711
My fee is $500.
844
00:41:19,711 --> 00:41:21,245
And unlike other
public officials,
845
00:41:21,245 --> 00:41:23,648
judges do not have a waiting
period between public
846
00:41:23,648 --> 00:41:25,583
and private practice.
847
00:41:25,583 --> 00:41:27,018
A judge can retire one day,
848
00:41:27,018 --> 00:41:28,753
practice as an attorney
the next day,
849
00:41:28,753 --> 00:41:31,936
and then go back to being
a pro tem judge a day later.
850
00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:35,193
Amazingly, your opposing
attorney could literally
851
00:41:35,193 --> 00:41:37,929
have been serving as
a judge the day before,
852
00:41:37,929 --> 00:41:40,298
having had lunch with the
same judge you're sitting
853
00:41:40,298 --> 00:41:42,433
in front of today.
854
00:41:44,010 --> 00:41:46,179
With all this happening
behind the scenes,
855
00:41:46,318 --> 00:41:50,003
it begs the question: Is anyone
actually getting a fair trial
856
00:41:50,175 --> 00:41:51,424
in family court?
857
00:41:56,948 --> 00:42:00,608
I haven't seen my boys,
except through Skype,
858
00:42:01,319 --> 00:42:03,321
for over four years now.
859
00:42:03,321 --> 00:42:07,449
I found out that my judge used
to work in the same law firm
860
00:42:07,692 --> 00:42:09,927
as my ex's attorney.
861
00:42:09,927 --> 00:42:15,384
They were friends and associates
and my ex's attorney
862
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,429
had been giving campaign
contributions to my judge.
863
00:42:20,671 --> 00:42:23,007
The judge didn't let
me speak in court,
864
00:42:23,007 --> 00:42:24,976
wouldn't let me tell my story.
865
00:42:24,976 --> 00:42:28,211
He was hostile in court,
so I went to the press.
866
00:42:28,980 --> 00:42:30,748
I-Team reporter
Ernie Freeman reports
867
00:42:30,748 --> 00:42:33,885
on how a mother's
desperate cries for help
868
00:42:33,885 --> 00:42:36,387
are not being heard.
869
00:42:36,387 --> 00:42:40,944
Shortly thereafter, both boys
were taken away from me.
870
00:42:41,592 --> 00:42:44,295
No contact with them whatsoever.
871
00:42:44,295 --> 00:42:49,040
My judge was retaliating
against me for me being vocal.
872
00:42:49,634 --> 00:42:52,003
It's not like I abused my kids.
873
00:42:52,003 --> 00:42:55,006
There was nothing like that
that would substantiate
874
00:42:55,006 --> 00:42:58,576
such a harsh ruling as
to completely cut me
875
00:42:58,576 --> 00:43:00,606
out of my kids' lives.
876
00:43:03,959 --> 00:43:07,623
I kept filing new papers
to try and get some kind
877
00:43:07,753 --> 00:43:10,021
of contact with my boys.
878
00:43:10,021 --> 00:43:13,024
Eventually the judge
put a court order on me
879
00:43:13,024 --> 00:43:16,594
that said that I was not
allowed to file anything,
880
00:43:16,594 --> 00:43:20,661
not only in his court, but
in the entire court system.
881
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:28,886
At that point, I felt
desperate and hopeless.
882
00:43:29,006 --> 00:43:31,375
I want to see my boys.
883
00:43:31,375 --> 00:43:34,946
Time was going by and
I still didn't have
884
00:43:34,946 --> 00:43:36,714
any contact with them.
885
00:43:37,191 --> 00:43:40,163
So, that's when I
decided to file a paper.
886
00:43:42,372 --> 00:43:44,337
That filing landed me in jail.
887
00:43:46,073 --> 00:43:51,210
They didn't give me a lawyer,
no jury, just the one biased judge.
888
00:43:51,295 --> 00:43:54,432
I've gone to jail
now three times,
889
00:43:54,432 --> 00:43:59,804
not because I committed a crime
not because I stole anything,
890
00:43:59,971 --> 00:44:03,052
but because I want
to see my children.
891
00:44:04,409 --> 00:44:08,020
I think it's quite fair to
question the amount of money
892
00:44:08,174 --> 00:44:10,400
that's changing hands in
the family court system
893
00:44:10,527 --> 00:44:13,913
and how that affects
the decisions that officials
894
00:44:14,098 --> 00:44:15,135
in the system make.
895
00:44:15,486 --> 00:44:18,189
As I always tell my grandchildren,
follow the money
896
00:44:18,189 --> 00:44:24,695
and you'll figure out why people
are hurt and who is helped.
897
00:44:43,518 --> 00:44:45,616
Who exactly is
watching the courts?
898
00:44:46,241 --> 00:44:49,150
Custody mediator Emily Gallup
tried to answer that question.
899
00:44:50,354 --> 00:44:53,024
I went to Stanford
right out of high school
900
00:44:53,024 --> 00:44:57,698
and my first class was Psych 1
and I knew immediately
901
00:44:57,865 --> 00:44:59,864
I wanted to know absolutely
everything I could
902
00:44:59,864 --> 00:45:01,332
about psychology.
903
00:45:01,332 --> 00:45:04,001
The mediator can make a
recommendation to the judge
904
00:45:04,001 --> 00:45:06,704
to what the custody
plan should be.
905
00:45:06,704 --> 00:45:08,839
It's easy to
just rubber stamp
906
00:45:08,839 --> 00:45:11,008
whatever the mediator
tells you to do.
907
00:45:11,008 --> 00:45:13,644
And for the most part,
that is exactly what happens.
908
00:45:13,644 --> 00:45:16,847
Something like 90 or 95% of
the cases get the rubber stamp,
909
00:45:16,847 --> 00:45:20,384
but there was this
one hour guideline.
910
00:45:20,384 --> 00:45:23,020
Within one hour, I was
supposed to review the file,
911
00:45:23,020 --> 00:45:26,960
meet with parents, write a
recommendation to the court.
912
00:45:27,805 --> 00:45:28,982
They call it the ER model.
913
00:45:29,150 --> 00:45:29,354
They say,
914
00:45:29,468 --> 00:45:32,835
"Well, you know,
people come in, they get service
915
00:45:32,987 --> 00:45:34,266
for their most immediate problem,
916
00:45:34,392 --> 00:45:34,899
they're sent on their way,
917
00:45:34,899 --> 00:45:37,268
and if they need to come back,
they can come back later".
918
00:45:37,917 --> 00:45:39,537
The only way you can do that
919
00:45:39,537 --> 00:45:42,039
is if you cut some very
important corners
920
00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:44,642
and you play quick and dirty.
921
00:45:44,642 --> 00:45:50,093
I called the AOC, thinking
that the AOC was the police
922
00:45:50,238 --> 00:45:51,349
for all the courts
in California,
923
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:54,151
that they monitor compliance.
924
00:45:54,151 --> 00:45:56,857
So I called them
from this cramped,
925
00:45:57,009 --> 00:45:59,490
little victim witness waiting
room across the hall.
926
00:45:59,490 --> 00:46:02,660
I literally was in the dark
with the door locked,
927
00:46:02,660 --> 00:46:04,629
calling them for help, saying,
928
00:46:04,629 --> 00:46:07,398
"I have tried everything
I can think of here
929
00:46:07,398 --> 00:46:10,468
"and domestic violence
victims are being forced
930
00:46:10,468 --> 00:46:13,004
"into mediation with
their perpetrators,
931
00:46:13,004 --> 00:46:14,605
"files are not
being reviewed."
932
00:46:14,605 --> 00:46:16,741
You know, I went through my list
of all my concerns and they said,
933
00:46:16,741 --> 00:46:19,944
"Wow, that sounds terrible,
but there's nothing we can do.
934
00:46:19,944 --> 00:46:22,346
"I'm sorry.
We don't like to get
935
00:46:22,346 --> 00:46:25,783
involved in these
interdepartmental disputes".
936
00:46:25,783 --> 00:46:28,741
Okay, so who is
watching the court?
937
00:46:30,142 --> 00:46:32,741
I've come to the unfortunate
conclusion that no one
938
00:46:33,151 --> 00:46:34,941
is holding them accountable
for their actions.
939
00:46:36,027 --> 00:46:39,497
They've done a lot of
damage to this community.
940
00:46:39,497 --> 00:46:42,600
Andm at the time, I thought,
"Well, yeah.
941
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,535
"Half the people who've been
through here don't like us,
942
00:46:44,535 --> 00:46:46,971
"because they didn't
get what they wanted."
943
00:46:46,971 --> 00:46:50,408
And I realize now that's
not the problem.
944
00:46:50,408 --> 00:46:52,810
The problem is you were
disrespecting people
945
00:46:52,810 --> 00:46:55,579
and they knew it.
946
00:47:04,388 --> 00:47:06,390
While the ER model
has not been effective
947
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:09,346
at lowering court dockets,
it has been very effective
948
00:47:09,502 --> 00:47:11,696
at creating a revolving door
that brings litigants back
949
00:47:11,696 --> 00:47:14,999
over and over and over again.
950
00:47:14,999 --> 00:47:18,269
The great structure
is take the litigants,
951
00:47:18,269 --> 00:47:21,105
who are in trouble and
desperate enough to pay money
952
00:47:21,105 --> 00:47:23,607
and get them to pay
money to the lawyers,
953
00:47:23,607 --> 00:47:25,710
who are the friends of
the judges and the judges
954
00:47:25,710 --> 00:47:30,647
are ex-lawyers, so it's all
this interlocking situation.
955
00:47:30,815 --> 00:47:32,483
You get money
based on numbers
956
00:47:32,483 --> 00:47:34,251
and if there's more
people and more
957
00:47:34,251 --> 00:47:37,021
and more people coming in,
then you can ask
958
00:47:37,021 --> 00:47:39,223
for more funding.
959
00:47:39,912 --> 00:47:41,727
If you, kind of,
handle the situation,
960
00:47:42,055 --> 00:47:44,261
there's less people
that have to come back.
961
00:47:44,804 --> 00:47:45,817
It's a great
repeat business.
962
00:47:46,145 --> 00:47:48,956
Yes. The revolving
door of services.
963
00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:51,335
The courts are
state-sponsored.
964
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,034
The more divorce
disputes they have,
965
00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:55,101
the more funding they
get from the state.
966
00:47:55,895 --> 00:47:57,663
Professionals who benefit
from the system
967
00:47:57,970 --> 00:48:00,442
continually lobby for
more and more money.
968
00:48:00,824 --> 00:48:02,346
We can only hope
that the priorities
969
00:48:02,346 --> 00:48:07,385
of the legislative and
executive branches will be
970
00:48:07,539 --> 00:48:09,152
to pour money into our courts.
971
00:48:09,663 --> 00:48:12,395
More funding for more
judges and commissioners
972
00:48:12,545 --> 00:48:13,557
for the courts.
973
00:48:13,557 --> 00:48:14,925
Funding should be
substantially increased
974
00:48:14,925 --> 00:48:17,428
over the good years
that we have.
975
00:48:17,428 --> 00:48:20,297
But, hopefully we will
get the money we need.
976
00:48:21,110 --> 00:48:22,642
And they often get their way.
977
00:48:24,822 --> 00:48:27,279
The Judicial Council is
the policy-making body
978
00:48:27,471 --> 00:48:29,240
of California state courts.
979
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:31,985
Chief Financial Officer
Steven Nash outlined
980
00:48:32,124 --> 00:48:34,213
what funding
the branch can expect.
981
00:48:34,389 --> 00:48:38,447
This budget is such a
relief, not that it's great,
982
00:48:38,603 --> 00:48:40,484
but it is such a relief.
983
00:48:40,484 --> 00:48:42,686
The more funding the
courts get from the state,
984
00:48:42,686 --> 00:48:45,391
the larger they get and the more
business they can handle
985
00:48:45,543 --> 00:48:47,109
from the law firms.
986
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,216
Ulf Carlson has
experienced first-hand
987
00:49:12,216 --> 00:49:14,051
just how much damage
the collusion
988
00:49:14,051 --> 00:49:16,954
between lawyers and
judges can cause.
989
00:49:16,954 --> 00:49:18,622
At the beginning
of the divorce,
990
00:49:18,622 --> 00:49:21,492
I had talked to some
of the biggest law firms
991
00:49:21,492 --> 00:49:24,361
here in Sacramento and
their first question was
992
00:49:24,361 --> 00:49:27,798
who is the judge and who
is the opposing attorney.
993
00:49:27,798 --> 00:49:30,556
And I was told by numerous firms
994
00:49:30,848 --> 00:49:30,634
that they had a very serious
concern about that relationship.
995
00:49:34,471 --> 00:49:36,373
The attorney
representing Ulf's wife
996
00:49:36,373 --> 00:49:38,375
had a close relationship
with the judge
997
00:49:38,375 --> 00:49:40,778
and now even serves as
both an attorney and a judge
998
00:49:40,778 --> 00:49:42,546
in the same courthouse.
999
00:49:42,546 --> 00:49:45,916
Not surprisingly, Ulf's judge
seemed biased against him
1000
00:49:45,916 --> 00:49:47,284
during his trial.
1001
00:49:47,284 --> 00:49:49,486
Right during cross
examination,
1002
00:49:49,486 --> 00:49:52,323
the judge just got up and
left and he never returned
1003
00:49:52,323 --> 00:49:53,924
to the courtroom.
1004
00:49:53,924 --> 00:49:56,660
My attorney, I think it
was a couple days later,
1005
00:49:56,660 --> 00:50:02,803
she gets called in by
his clerk and basically,
1006
00:50:03,057 --> 00:50:04,735
is informed that
the trial's over with.
1007
00:50:04,735 --> 00:50:07,204
And the interesting thing is
he actually ruled against me
1008
00:50:07,204 --> 00:50:11,043
on every single issue,
not 99%, but 100%.
1009
00:50:11,108 --> 00:50:13,177
I mean,
he nailed me on everything.
1010
00:50:13,177 --> 00:50:15,145
He ordered both properties
sold, that I were
1011
00:50:15,145 --> 00:50:18,449
to pay my ex's all of
her attorney fees.
1012
00:50:18,449 --> 00:50:21,752
So, I was left with no other
choice than to file an appeal.
1013
00:50:21,752 --> 00:50:23,621
Filing an appeal
is what someone does
1014
00:50:23,621 --> 00:50:26,390
if they're trying to
reverse a judge's decision.
1015
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:28,893
Unfortunately, the appeals
court can only change a decision
1016
00:50:28,893 --> 00:50:32,096
or order a retrial if the
family court judge didn't apply
1017
00:50:32,096 --> 00:50:34,331
the family code correctly.
1018
00:50:34,331 --> 00:50:36,500
Aside from that, appeals
courts don't have the power
1019
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:39,703
to change a judge's ruling,
even if the judge's decisions
1020
00:50:39,703 --> 00:50:43,293
were biased, one-sided,
or cruel.
1021
00:50:44,141 --> 00:50:47,244
Two days after I
had filed my appeal,
1022
00:50:47,244 --> 00:50:49,713
McBrian found out about
it and has admitted
1023
00:50:49,713 --> 00:50:51,715
that he picked up
the phone and called his buddy,
1024
00:50:51,715 --> 00:50:53,617
who just happened to
be Chief of Legal
1025
00:50:53,617 --> 00:50:55,619
at the Department of
General Services,
1026
00:50:55,619 --> 00:51:00,330
where I worked for 18 years and
I had an impeccable work history
1027
00:51:00,827 --> 00:51:03,526
and I was just escorted out
of the building and fired.
1028
00:51:04,395 --> 00:51:06,563
It became clear to Ulf that
the judge was retaliating
1029
00:51:06,563 --> 00:51:08,732
against him for
filing an appeal,
1030
00:51:08,732 --> 00:51:11,663
so Ulf submitted a complaint
to the Judicial Council.
1031
00:51:12,083 --> 00:51:13,637
This is where people
can report unethical
1032
00:51:13,637 --> 00:51:16,273
or incompetent judges,
but the judicial council
1033
00:51:16,273 --> 00:51:18,242
is made up of
judges and lawyers
1034
00:51:18,242 --> 00:51:21,745
and they rarely remove
a judge from office.
1035
00:51:21,745 --> 00:51:23,847
In fact, that year, there
were over 1,000 complaints
1036
00:51:23,847 --> 00:51:27,028
filed against judges in
the state of California alone.
1037
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,521
Of those 1,000 complaints,
none of the judges were fined,
1038
00:51:30,521 --> 00:51:32,022
one of the judges
were put in jail,
1039
00:51:32,022 --> 00:51:35,726
and none of the judges
were removed from office.
1040
00:51:35,726 --> 00:51:37,604
Even thought
the judicial council found
1041
00:51:37,759 --> 00:51:39,697
that Ulf's judge engaged
in willful misconduct
1042
00:51:39,697 --> 00:51:43,087
and contacted Ulf's employer
they didn't fire him.
1043
00:51:43,413 --> 00:51:46,442
And even the appeals court and
the judicial council acknowledged
1044
00:51:46,577 --> 00:51:48,739
that the judge was in
the wrong, Ulf's divorce
1045
00:51:48,739 --> 00:51:51,642
still caused him to
go completely broke.
1046
00:51:52,024 --> 00:51:54,378
This mistake has
cost me hundreds of
1047
00:51:54,378 --> 00:51:55,646
thousands of dollars.
1048
00:51:55,646 --> 00:51:58,449
I've not been reimbursed
any of that money.
1049
00:51:58,449 --> 00:52:01,452
It's not fun, at the age
of 51, to start over.
1050
00:52:01,452 --> 00:52:03,687
All my other friends are talking about,
you know, getting ready
1051
00:52:03,687 --> 00:52:09,860
for retirement at 55 or so and
here I have to begin again, so...
1052
00:52:12,963 --> 00:52:15,733
Unfortunately, Ulf had no
choice but to move back in
1053
00:52:15,733 --> 00:52:18,369
with his parents, who
live in Scandinavia.
1054
00:52:18,369 --> 00:52:19,737
It's another part of the world,
1055
00:52:19,737 --> 00:52:21,438
where divorce is done
much differently.
1056
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:30,714
Scandinavia is home
to Ikea, the Nobel Prize,
1057
00:52:30,714 --> 00:52:33,083
and the world's largest
shipping company.
1058
00:52:33,083 --> 00:52:35,552
Like the US, Scandinavian
countries are advanced,
1059
00:52:35,552 --> 00:52:37,588
democratic, and free.
1060
00:52:38,304 --> 00:52:41,058
Its citizens are amongst
the wealthiest and happiest.
1061
00:52:42,168 --> 00:52:44,436
Their children score as well
or better than US children
1062
00:52:44,491 --> 00:52:46,430
on standardized tests and
their unemployment rates
1063
00:52:46,430 --> 00:52:49,099
are relatively low.
1064
00:52:49,099 --> 00:52:51,568
Interestingly, Scandinavia
has a similar divorce rate
1065
00:52:51,568 --> 00:52:54,705
to the United States,
but they do not use family courts
1066
00:52:54,705 --> 00:52:57,141
or lawyers to get divorced.
1067
00:52:58,008 --> 00:53:02,081
I went to see a priest,
I went to see a psychiatrist,
1068
00:53:03,138 --> 00:53:07,122
I talked to my husband with
a psychiatrist, with a priest,
1069
00:53:08,752 --> 00:53:14,851
I talked to friends, I never,
ever thought that I need
1070
00:53:14,973 --> 00:53:15,834
to see an attorney.
1071
00:53:16,221 --> 00:53:20,343
I've never heard of anyone
went for a legal debate
1072
00:53:20,496 --> 00:53:22,066
about the divorce,
never heard of it.
1073
00:53:22,066 --> 00:53:26,070
You just get a paper in
your mailbox and you fill it in
1074
00:53:26,070 --> 00:53:28,605
and you send it back and
then you have six months
1075
00:53:28,605 --> 00:53:31,909
to think about it, you have
time to change your mind
1076
00:53:31,909 --> 00:53:34,278
in six months and
then it's done.
1077
00:53:34,278 --> 00:53:36,246
How much did
your divorce cost?
1078
00:53:36,246 --> 00:53:38,837
Nothing.
Not a single krona.
1079
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,228
Maybe five kronur for
the stamp on the envelope.
1080
00:53:46,623 --> 00:53:49,142
So, why is divorce so much
easier in Scandinavia
1081
00:53:49,252 --> 00:53:50,350
than in the US?
1082
00:53:50,566 --> 00:53:52,963
It's because Scandinavians
view husbands and wives
1083
00:53:52,963 --> 00:53:54,598
as complete equals.
1084
00:53:54,598 --> 00:53:57,734
The rules in Iceland
are based on the equality
1085
00:53:57,734 --> 00:54:00,871
of men and women, but the one
who has lower income,
1086
00:54:00,871 --> 00:54:04,775
you know, he has the same
possibilities as others
1087
00:54:04,775 --> 00:54:08,679
and he needs to get used to,
you know, changes in his life.
1088
00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:12,049
Women in Iceland are
very much economically
1089
00:54:12,049 --> 00:54:13,319
very independent.
1090
00:54:13,465 --> 00:54:16,453
They don't look at the
marriage or the divorce
1091
00:54:16,453 --> 00:54:19,056
as a way to get support.
1092
00:54:19,056 --> 00:54:22,826
Of course, the assets
are divided into two parts.
1093
00:54:22,826 --> 00:54:26,730
So, the couple has equal
rights to the assets,
1094
00:54:26,730 --> 00:54:28,899
but when we are talking
about the future
1095
00:54:28,899 --> 00:54:32,603
and the future income,
they go their separate ways.
1096
00:54:32,603 --> 00:54:34,738
By contrast,
family courts in the US
1097
00:54:34,738 --> 00:54:37,307
do not treat marriage
partners equally.
1098
00:54:37,307 --> 00:54:40,010
While the US has attempted
to make its laws gender neutral,
1099
00:54:40,010 --> 00:54:42,679
family courts still
promote the 1950s view
1100
00:54:42,679 --> 00:54:43,947
that marriage is
a lifetime partnership
1101
00:54:43,947 --> 00:54:46,817
between a provider spouse
and a dependent spouse
1102
00:54:46,817 --> 00:54:50,011
and that a dependent spouse will
need monthly support payments
1103
00:54:50,136 --> 00:54:52,103
to survive after the marriage.
1104
00:54:52,654 --> 00:54:53,824
All of that was
based on a model
1105
00:54:53,824 --> 00:54:55,692
of a woman stays home and
takes care of the children
1106
00:54:55,692 --> 00:54:59,962
and the man is the primary
and sole breadwinner.
1107
00:55:00,409 --> 00:55:01,509
But over the past 60 years,
1108
00:55:01,623 --> 00:55:03,834
more women have attained
financial independence
1109
00:55:03,834 --> 00:55:06,003
and there are more women
working than men today.
1110
00:55:06,003 --> 00:55:09,473
In 80% of American marriages,
both spouses are employed
1111
00:55:09,473 --> 00:55:12,442
and the income gap has
become much smaller.
1112
00:55:12,442 --> 00:55:14,745
It is going to be
less and less relevant,
1113
00:55:14,745 --> 00:55:18,183
as time goes on, because women
are less and less likely
1114
00:55:18,246 --> 00:55:21,026
to be solely housewives.
1115
00:55:21,482 --> 00:55:23,273
You would think that
the amount of dependent support
1116
00:55:23,441 --> 00:55:25,656
being ordered by the courts
each year would be diminishing,
1117
00:55:25,656 --> 00:55:29,146
but the size of these support
payments has gone up 30%
1118
00:55:29,324 --> 00:55:30,827
in the past 20 years,
1119
00:55:30,827 --> 00:55:34,131
swelling to well over 44
billion dollars per year.
1120
00:55:34,131 --> 00:55:38,285
All this is happening, despite
a 20% drop in the divorce rate.
1121
00:55:38,567 --> 00:55:39,670
So, what's going on here?
1122
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:41,879
For some reason,
the family courts have strayed
1123
00:55:42,037 --> 00:55:44,030
from the original intent
of the support laws.
1124
00:55:44,817 --> 00:55:46,310
They have invented a new math.
1125
00:55:46,310 --> 00:55:48,378
The printed tables that
originally helped courts
1126
00:55:48,378 --> 00:55:51,481
and family law attorneys deal
with support guidelines
1127
00:55:51,481 --> 00:55:52,660
were very limited.
1128
00:55:53,085 --> 00:55:55,786
So, in 1985, family law
attorney Steven Adams
1129
00:55:55,786 --> 00:55:59,556
and I made it actually
compute on IBM PCs.
1130
00:55:59,556 --> 00:56:01,792
It would take me weeks
or months to do this
1131
00:56:01,792 --> 00:56:05,229
if I tried it with
a pencil and paper.
1132
00:56:05,602 --> 00:56:10,931
So, here's an example of
what makes it so complex.
1133
00:56:12,180 --> 00:56:14,605
You have to take certain
guideline deductions,
1134
00:56:14,605 --> 00:56:17,274
like health insurance,
required union dues.
1135
00:56:17,274 --> 00:56:20,711
The bonus reports and
overtime reports, legal fees,
1136
00:56:20,711 --> 00:56:24,147
and charitable
contribution, reassigning
1137
00:56:24,147 --> 00:56:26,483
the dependent exemption,
the hardship deduction, mortgages
1138
00:56:36,727 --> 00:56:39,329
Total support is $4,836.
1139
00:56:39,329 --> 00:56:42,599
I've just taken
a simple example.
1140
00:56:43,381 --> 00:56:45,249
That's the end of my script.
1141
00:56:45,602 --> 00:56:47,738
Let's take a look
behind the curtain.
1142
00:56:47,738 --> 00:56:49,539
There are two types
of support payments.
1143
00:56:49,539 --> 00:56:50,974
The first kind is alimony.
1144
00:56:51,755 --> 00:56:53,343
Alimony is supposed
to balance the income
1145
00:56:53,343 --> 00:56:56,913
between spouses after marriage,
even if there were no children,
1146
00:56:57,846 --> 00:57:00,050
but many states have laws
that make alimony last longer
1147
00:57:00,050 --> 00:57:02,786
than the marriage,
sometimes even for life.
1148
00:57:02,786 --> 00:57:05,140
Massachusetts was
one of those states.
1149
00:57:05,884 --> 00:57:08,423
Steve Hitner was a victim
of a particularly onerous
1150
00:57:08,428 --> 00:57:11,520
alimony arrangement and started
the group Mass Alimony Reform
1151
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:13,930
to try to change things.
1152
00:57:13,930 --> 00:57:15,799
We have people who are
married for short term marriages
1153
00:57:15,799 --> 00:57:19,169
of four or five years, who are
paying 25 years worth of alimony.
1154
00:57:19,618 --> 00:57:22,938
And then women came to me
who actually pay alimony to men
1155
00:57:23,173 --> 00:57:24,341
who didn't want to work.
1156
00:57:24,341 --> 00:57:26,343
So now you have a situation
where you divorce someone
1157
00:57:26,343 --> 00:57:28,779
because they refuse to work
or weren't very responsible
1158
00:57:28,779 --> 00:57:31,715
with your finances and you
end up having to take care
1159
00:57:31,715 --> 00:57:33,650
of them for the rest of
their lives at the lifestyle
1160
00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:35,052
of the marriage.
1161
00:57:35,052 --> 00:57:36,653
Would you have married me
if you knew this was going
1162
00:57:36,653 --> 00:57:37,654
to happen?
1163
00:57:37,654 --> 00:57:39,118
No. I wouldn't
have married him.
1164
00:57:39,344 --> 00:57:42,737
I mean, I really love him,
but the judge told me I have
1165
00:57:42,886 --> 00:57:46,163
to work two jobs in order
to keep him out of jail.
1166
00:57:46,163 --> 00:57:48,632
Your responsibility,
based on the law,
1167
00:57:48,632 --> 00:57:50,767
is to maintain your
ex-spouse to the lifestyle
1168
00:57:50,767 --> 00:57:52,569
of the marriage.
1169
00:57:52,569 --> 00:57:54,404
So, you're essentially
working two jobs
1170
00:57:54,404 --> 00:57:55,839
and your spouse is
working two jobs
1171
00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:59,309
to support someone who is
going to Italy twice a year.
1172
00:57:59,585 --> 00:58:01,311
More divorced women
are paying alimony
1173
00:58:01,311 --> 00:58:02,979
to their ex-husbands.
1174
00:58:02,979 --> 00:58:05,215
He basically came to
me in a session and said,
1175
00:58:05,215 --> 00:58:07,918
"I'm asking for money
and you need to keep me
1176
00:58:07,918 --> 00:58:10,654
"in the life that
I'm accustomed to."
1177
00:58:10,654 --> 00:58:12,322
So when he said
the life he's accustomed to,
1178
00:58:12,322 --> 00:58:13,523
what did he mean?
1179
00:58:13,523 --> 00:58:15,659
He went to trips in Europe,
paid for his veneers,
1180
00:58:15,659 --> 00:58:18,161
paid for personal
trainers, et cetera,
1181
00:58:18,161 --> 00:58:22,099
and he wanted to be kept
in that lifestyle still.
1182
00:58:22,099 --> 00:58:24,420
The modern day family
courts not only focus
1183
00:58:24,529 --> 00:58:26,803
on what's needed for survival,
but also what's needed
1184
00:58:26,803 --> 00:58:29,072
for pleasure and excess.
1185
00:58:29,072 --> 00:58:31,708
Steve was ultimately
successful at lobbying the state
1186
00:58:31,708 --> 00:58:34,032
of Massachusetts to change
their alimony laws,
1187
00:58:34,469 --> 00:58:36,450
but the changes do
not occur automatically.
1188
00:58:37,042 --> 00:58:38,815
If you want to change
your actual ruling,
1189
00:58:38,815 --> 00:58:40,784
you still have to go
back to family court
1190
00:58:40,784 --> 00:58:43,053
to get your alimony
arrangement renegotiated.
1191
00:58:43,053 --> 00:58:45,870
And that means having to open
up your divorce case again,
1192
00:58:46,011 --> 00:58:49,367
creating even more business
for the family court system.
1193
00:58:50,394 --> 00:58:53,263
In Scandinavia, things are
handled much differently.
1194
00:58:53,667 --> 00:58:56,426
The question of
alimony is only
1195
00:58:56,554 --> 00:59:02,085
to fulfill this legal obligation
of supporting the spouse
1196
00:59:02,105 --> 00:59:05,416
until the marriage
has come to an end.
1197
00:59:05,981 --> 00:59:09,889
And it's only for the period until
the divorce is fully through
1198
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,116
for this period of six
months or twelve months.
1199
00:59:13,581 --> 00:59:15,886
By limiting alimony until
the divorce is finished
1200
00:59:15,886 --> 00:59:18,255
and to no more than
$1,000 per month,
1201
00:59:18,255 --> 00:59:21,162
the Scandinavian laws have
removed any incentive
1202
00:59:21,308 --> 00:59:23,311
for pursuing a lengthy
battle in court.
1203
00:59:23,933 --> 00:59:26,062
And if a Scandinavian couple
wishes to adopt a traditional,
1204
00:59:26,062 --> 00:59:28,799
provider/dependent relationship,
they can always agree
1205
00:59:28,799 --> 00:59:31,368
prior to the marriage,
to extend support payments
1206
00:59:31,368 --> 00:59:33,503
for a longer time.
1207
00:59:35,505 --> 00:59:38,341
Another type of dependent
support is child support.
1208
00:59:38,341 --> 00:59:41,144
But calculating child support
is even more confrontational,
1209
00:59:41,872 --> 00:59:44,047
because it's based not only
on the difference in income,
1210
00:59:44,047 --> 00:59:46,883
but also on who gets
the most time with the kids.
1211
00:59:47,575 --> 00:59:49,386
Are you going to have
your kids 86% of the time,
1212
00:59:49,386 --> 00:59:52,489
like in a sole custody
situation, or only
1213
00:59:52,489 --> 00:59:54,003
50% of the time,
1214
00:59:54,272 --> 00:59:55,910
as in a shared
custody situation.
1215
00:59:55,934 --> 00:59:58,884
There's a lot of money at stake
for both the higher earner
1216
00:59:58,895 --> 00:59:59,931
and the lesser earner.
1217
01:00:00,497 --> 01:00:06,732
Now, at this point, we have 0%
with dad and 100% with mom.
1218
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:12,024
So now, watch what happens
overall as I increase time share.
1219
01:00:12,542 --> 01:00:15,045
It turns out the more time
you spend with your children,
1220
01:00:15,045 --> 01:00:17,347
the more child support you get.
1221
01:00:17,347 --> 01:00:19,549
The family court system
has actually created
1222
01:00:19,549 --> 01:00:22,419
a financial incentive for
people to fight court battles
1223
01:00:22,419 --> 01:00:24,234
over their own children.
1224
01:00:24,688 --> 01:00:26,389
It probably
quadrupled the amount
1225
01:00:26,389 --> 01:00:29,926
of contested custody
matters that we have.
1226
01:00:29,926 --> 01:00:31,995
The kids are the pawns.
1227
01:00:31,995 --> 01:00:33,715
I use the term
"little bags of money"
1228
01:00:34,675 --> 01:00:38,392
when there is a contested
case over physical custody
1229
01:00:38,535 --> 01:00:39,645
of the children.
1230
01:00:39,970 --> 01:00:42,272
People go and do battle
1231
01:00:42,272 --> 01:00:44,541
because they have these
remarkable incentives.
1232
01:00:44,541 --> 01:00:46,510
Interestingly,
child support is not based
1233
01:00:46,510 --> 01:00:48,712
on what you spend or
need for your children,
1234
01:00:48,712 --> 01:00:50,626
but on how much you make.
1235
01:00:51,343 --> 01:00:55,272
About a third of your gross
income, up to $250,000,
1236
01:00:55,550 --> 01:00:57,967
that's got to go over
here for child support.
1237
01:00:59,286 --> 01:01:02,394
But that's calculated before
taxes, so it actually ends up
1238
01:01:02,537 --> 01:01:05,312
being more like 50% to 60%
of your take home pay.
1239
01:01:05,328 --> 01:01:08,184
I absolutely have
payor spouses,
1240
01:01:08,342 --> 01:01:09,623
whether they be
the husband or the wife,
1241
01:01:09,623 --> 01:01:12,168
come in all the time and say,
"This is completely unfair.
1242
01:01:12,168 --> 01:01:13,770
"I'm dividing everything I
have and giving half of it
1243
01:01:13,770 --> 01:01:17,500
to my spouse and I'm still going
to keep working just as hard
1244
01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:20,789
"as I've been working
to continue to support my spouse
1245
01:01:20,894 --> 01:01:21,755
"and my children.
1246
01:01:21,931 --> 01:01:24,044
"How am I supposed to go
on and have a new life?"
1247
01:01:24,363 --> 01:01:27,059
And the recipient parent
doesn't have to spend the money
1248
01:01:27,226 --> 01:01:28,207
on the children.
1249
01:01:28,438 --> 01:01:30,220
They can spend it on
whatever they want.
1250
01:01:30,220 --> 01:01:33,490
In fact, they can spend child
support money on legal fees
1251
01:01:33,490 --> 01:01:37,450
to see the payor parent
for even more child support.
1252
01:01:37,761 --> 01:01:39,496
You don't get to get receipts
1253
01:01:39,496 --> 01:01:42,072
for what the child
support was spent for.
1254
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,213
The parent gets
the money, not the child
1255
01:01:44,373 --> 01:01:46,501
and the parent decides
how much the kid gets.
1256
01:01:47,787 --> 01:01:49,673
All else being equal,
if you had your choice
1257
01:01:49,673 --> 01:01:53,109
between receiving $1,000
of child support or $1,000
1258
01:01:53,109 --> 01:01:57,704
of spousal support, then you'd
prefer to get the child support,
1259
01:01:57,849 --> 01:01:59,950
because you're not
going to pay taxes on it.
1260
01:01:59,950 --> 01:02:02,519
You know, that child
support can quickly become
1261
01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:05,655
more like alimony, it
can become Monopoly money,
1262
01:02:05,655 --> 01:02:06,990
play money, mad money.
1263
01:02:06,990 --> 01:02:08,792
Mr. Kolodony, let
me start with you.
1264
01:02:08,792 --> 01:02:12,062
$320,000 a month
in child support,
1265
01:02:12,062 --> 01:02:14,998
they need $144,000 for travel,
1266
01:02:14,998 --> 01:02:17,434
$14,000 for parties
and playdates,
1267
01:02:17,434 --> 01:02:22,026
$436 a month for
care of Kira's bunny.
1268
01:02:22,105 --> 01:02:23,948
This seems to be
as much or more
1269
01:02:24,087 --> 01:02:27,446
about Lisa Corrigan's
lifestyle than Kira's.
1270
01:02:28,458 --> 01:02:30,246
Family courts justify
granting child support
1271
01:02:30,246 --> 01:02:32,916
at levels higher than what is
needed for basic necessities
1272
01:02:32,916 --> 01:02:35,282
and education by
claiming that children
1273
01:02:35,484 --> 01:02:37,487
in America are entitled.
1274
01:02:37,487 --> 01:02:40,056
Child is entitled
to the lifestyle
1275
01:02:40,056 --> 01:02:42,788
of the non-custodial parent.
1276
01:02:43,612 --> 01:02:46,296
Now, is there research that
supports that it would be bad
1277
01:02:46,296 --> 01:02:49,422
for a child to go from
a high standard of living
1278
01:02:49,570 --> 01:02:51,628
to a lower standard of living?
1279
01:02:51,790 --> 01:02:52,320
There might be.
1280
01:02:52,461 --> 01:02:54,714
I'm not aware of it,
but it just makes sense.
1281
01:02:55,795 --> 01:02:58,202
There's absolutely no
research that indicates
1282
01:02:58,367 --> 01:03:00,262
that a child who spends
part of the time
1283
01:03:00,382 --> 01:03:04,425
in a more affluent environment
and part of the time
1284
01:03:04,562 --> 01:03:07,936
in a less affluent environment
is going to end up any different
1285
01:03:08,095 --> 01:03:10,471
than one who spends
time in equally...
1286
01:03:10,962 --> 01:03:11,988
It doesn't make any sense.
1287
01:03:12,367 --> 01:03:14,190
Most of the time, it's
not an issue of money.
1288
01:03:14,190 --> 01:03:17,007
I don't think the
business of equalizing
1289
01:03:17,166 --> 01:03:18,065
the standard of living
1290
01:03:18,215 --> 01:03:22,605
is a requirement for children
to be happy after divorce.
1291
01:03:23,367 --> 01:03:26,238
And child support, since it's
based on the amount of custody,
1292
01:03:26,382 --> 01:03:28,669
can be re-litigated
at any time.
1293
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:30,674
Custody will
always be something
1294
01:03:30,674 --> 01:03:33,874
that could be modified, so you
could resolve the entire case
1295
01:03:34,016 --> 01:03:35,513
and then two years later,
somebody could come back
1296
01:03:35,664 --> 01:03:37,714
and say, "Custodial
schedule is not working.
1297
01:03:37,714 --> 01:03:38,992
"There needs to be a change."
1298
01:03:39,687 --> 01:03:41,551
And the child support
formula is so complicated
1299
01:03:41,551 --> 01:03:43,987
that it could even be used
to make a low-income parent
1300
01:03:43,987 --> 01:03:46,798
pay money to a wealthy parent.
1301
01:03:46,856 --> 01:03:48,525
This happened in Wendy's case.
1302
01:03:48,977 --> 01:03:50,839
When she went to court
to get help with visitation,
1303
01:03:51,448 --> 01:03:53,496
the judge ordered her
to start paying child support
1304
01:03:53,496 --> 01:03:56,399
to her ex-husband, even though
her ex-husband's income
1305
01:03:56,399 --> 01:03:58,334
was much higher.
1306
01:03:58,334 --> 01:04:02,205
My ex-husband was living
in a $1 million house.
1307
01:04:02,205 --> 01:04:07,235
He had several very expensive
cars and his income
1308
01:04:07,578 --> 01:04:09,650
was about $400,000 a year.
1309
01:04:10,524 --> 01:04:13,049
I produced my pay stubs,
my bank statements,
1310
01:04:13,049 --> 01:04:15,318
my tax returns.
1311
01:04:15,318 --> 01:04:19,022
I begged the court to not
order me to pay child support,
1312
01:04:19,022 --> 01:04:21,624
because of my
financial situation.
1313
01:04:21,624 --> 01:04:25,179
My monthly expenses alone,
out of my income
1314
01:04:25,342 --> 01:04:29,387
of $2,400 per month,
were $3,000 a month,
1315
01:04:29,526 --> 01:04:32,923
so I was already
negative $600 a month.
1316
01:04:33,736 --> 01:04:37,487
I was ordered to pay my
ex-husband $775 per month.
1317
01:04:39,398 --> 01:04:43,100
These people end up racking
up a big child support debt.
1318
01:04:43,220 --> 01:04:45,517
A lot of states have
interest on the debt,
1319
01:04:45,702 --> 01:04:48,606
sometimes that interest
is high as 10% or 12%
1320
01:04:48,922 --> 01:04:50,887
and the person ends up
saddled with a debt
1321
01:04:50,887 --> 01:04:53,214
that they can no longer pay.
1322
01:04:54,473 --> 01:05:00,066
I ended up losing all of my
cash, lost all of my credit,
1323
01:05:00,096 --> 01:05:03,166
and when I had nothing left,
1324
01:05:03,166 --> 01:05:07,647
then my mom spent her
retirement money to help me.
1325
01:05:10,203 --> 01:05:12,072
Wendy didn't see her
daughter for two years
1326
01:05:12,374 --> 01:05:15,600
and ultimately, ended up
losing custody altogether.
1327
01:05:15,777 --> 01:05:17,847
I felt very victimized
by the family court
1328
01:05:17,847 --> 01:05:20,350
and I think that my children
were the biggest victims
1329
01:05:20,350 --> 01:05:22,139
of the family court.
1330
01:05:22,804 --> 01:05:27,214
It's very frustrating and it's
very depressing to have gone
1331
01:05:27,365 --> 01:05:34,557
for help and then to come out
with your family destroyed.
1332
01:05:38,701 --> 01:05:43,034
People are being put in jail
for not having the ability
1333
01:05:43,345 --> 01:05:44,919
to pay their child support.
1334
01:05:45,341 --> 01:05:47,343
Debtor's prisons were
abolished in this country
1335
01:05:47,343 --> 01:05:50,146
about 150 years ago,
but we do have debtor's prisons
1336
01:05:50,146 --> 01:05:51,714
in the United States right now.
1337
01:05:51,714 --> 01:05:56,534
We have people who are in jail,
not because they didn't want
1338
01:05:56,674 --> 01:05:57,534
to pay their child support,
1339
01:05:57,669 --> 01:06:01,178
but because they cannot
pay their child support.
1340
01:06:01,967 --> 01:06:04,494
This doesn't happen
in Scandinavia.
1341
01:06:04,494 --> 01:06:07,797
Custody time and money
are two different things
1342
01:06:07,797 --> 01:06:09,632
that we never mix together.
1343
01:06:09,632 --> 01:06:11,701
The laws are much
more simple here
1344
01:06:11,701 --> 01:06:14,537
and therefore there is less
things going to court,
1345
01:06:14,537 --> 01:06:15,872
less fighting over
custody of the children
1346
01:06:15,872 --> 01:06:19,542
and also less fighting
over each other's money.
1347
01:06:19,542 --> 01:06:23,246
Support of one child,
how much does it cost?
1348
01:06:23,246 --> 01:06:25,858
How much does the child
need or the parent need
1349
01:06:26,025 --> 01:06:26,748
for the child?
1350
01:06:26,883 --> 01:06:30,386
The amount today is
a little less than $150
1351
01:06:30,386 --> 01:06:31,688
or something like that.
1352
01:06:32,189 --> 01:06:34,290
By limiting child support
to a fixed monthly amount
1353
01:06:34,290 --> 01:06:37,277
for basic necessities,
an amount that doesn't change,
1354
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:40,018
no matter who spends more or
less time with the children,
1355
01:06:40,437 --> 01:06:43,703
Scandinavians have eliminated
any incentive to use children
1356
01:06:43,766 --> 01:06:45,612
as financial pawns.
1357
01:06:46,169 --> 01:06:48,271
Most of the time,
it's like half and half.
1358
01:06:48,271 --> 01:06:51,474
You have them one week and
you have them the other.
1359
01:06:51,474 --> 01:06:53,076
I have had many, many cases,
1360
01:06:53,076 --> 01:06:54,920
but very few of them
are custody cases.
1361
01:06:55,740 --> 01:06:56,040
Very few.
1362
01:06:56,141 --> 01:06:56,701
How many?
1363
01:06:57,245 --> 01:06:59,841
Well, I would say two a year,
but I've been a judge
1364
01:07:00,159 --> 01:07:01,637
over 30 years, so...
1365
01:07:02,458 --> 01:07:04,888
Of all the cases where you
need to decide on custody,
1366
01:07:04,888 --> 01:07:07,657
just about two percent
of them go to court.
1367
01:07:08,193 --> 01:07:10,894
Which is a very, very
small percentage.
1368
01:07:10,894 --> 01:07:14,597
You don't get rich taking
care of your own child.
1369
01:07:14,597 --> 01:07:16,897
In Sweden, it doesn't
work that way.
1370
01:07:17,235 --> 01:07:19,404
Is that the way it is
in America? I'm not sure.
1371
01:07:20,646 --> 01:07:22,603
In America, even if
you are not married,
1372
01:07:22,662 --> 01:07:26,009
just having children subjects
you to the family courts.
1373
01:07:26,583 --> 01:07:28,811
If you and your partner
can't resolve a custody issue,
1374
01:07:28,811 --> 01:07:30,947
it might mean paying
for custody evaluators,
1375
01:07:30,947 --> 01:07:34,277
experts, and lawyers,
just like someone who goes
1376
01:07:34,398 --> 01:07:35,407
through a divorce.
1377
01:07:36,404 --> 01:07:38,320
The dependent/provider
spouse relationship
1378
01:07:38,501 --> 01:07:40,640
also extends to legal fees.
1379
01:07:41,447 --> 01:07:44,187
The provider is often forced
to pay the dependent's lawyer.
1380
01:07:44,543 --> 01:07:46,829
This actually incentivizes
the dependent spouse
1381
01:07:46,829 --> 01:07:48,852
to prolong legal battles.
1382
01:07:48,986 --> 01:07:51,000
In fact, it's not uncommon
for the legal fees
1383
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,080
to be higher than the marital
money being fought over.
1384
01:07:54,671 --> 01:08:01,894
$320,000. Michael
Newdow was livid, furious
1385
01:08:02,004 --> 01:08:03,957
that he had to write
a huge check to pay
1386
01:08:04,091 --> 01:08:07,076
for the other side's legal
fees in his child custody case,
1387
01:08:07,394 --> 01:08:10,325
all because he wanted 50/50
custody of his daughter.
1388
01:08:10,516 --> 01:08:11,949
I think these are
outrageous fees.
1389
01:08:12,102 --> 01:08:13,535
If we wouldn't pay these,
these people wouldn't make
1390
01:08:13,691 --> 01:08:14,323
this ridiculous money.
1391
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,093
And he's only been
granted 30% custody.
1392
01:08:17,093 --> 01:08:18,628
I mean, this is nonsense.
1393
01:08:18,628 --> 01:08:20,463
Then, on top of this, I say,
"This can't be constitutional."
1394
01:08:20,463 --> 01:08:23,733
The judge says, "Even if
you win, you have to pay."
1395
01:08:23,733 --> 01:08:26,636
But, in Scandinavia, in the two
percent of custody battles
1396
01:08:26,636 --> 01:08:30,106
that actually go to court,
each side pays their own legal fees.
1397
01:08:30,106 --> 01:08:34,726
Usually in these kind of
cases, either party answer
1398
01:08:34,868 --> 01:08:38,062
by paying the legal
fees of his lawyer.
1399
01:08:38,554 --> 01:08:40,083
So, people in Scandinavia
think twice
1400
01:08:40,083 --> 01:08:41,851
before taking someone to court,
1401
01:08:41,851 --> 01:08:45,521
especially since they can't
win much, but in America,
1402
01:08:45,521 --> 01:08:49,590
all the financial incentives
actually motivate people to lie.
1403
01:08:50,437 --> 01:08:52,382
One of the biggest
problems in family court
1404
01:08:52,555 --> 01:08:54,700
is there are so many
false accusations
1405
01:08:54,855 --> 01:08:59,809
and so few consequences
for those accusations.
1406
01:08:59,985 --> 01:09:03,640
False accusations are
used to gain custody,
1407
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,709
to gain control of property,
gain control of the house,
1408
01:09:07,598 --> 01:09:09,245
to gain control of
the financial assets,
1409
01:09:09,245 --> 01:09:12,615
to gain more alimony,
more child support.
1410
01:09:12,615 --> 01:09:15,385
This stuff goes on all the time,
yet there's very little
1411
01:09:15,385 --> 01:09:19,565
in the way of punishment
for false accusations
1412
01:09:19,716 --> 01:09:20,590
or accountability.
1413
01:09:20,773 --> 01:09:22,825
How could you be
married for 20 years,
1414
01:09:22,825 --> 01:09:25,628
you were a great husband,
she was a great wife.
1415
01:09:25,628 --> 01:09:28,064
Now, we're going through
a divorce, he's a pervert,
1416
01:09:28,064 --> 01:09:30,500
he's a drug dealer, he's doing
all these horrible things,
1417
01:09:30,500 --> 01:09:32,468
she's an alcoholic,
she's a drug dealer,
1418
01:09:32,468 --> 01:09:33,803
and she's sleeping
with everybody.
1419
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:37,473
Did this just happen in
the last week or two?
1420
01:09:37,473 --> 01:09:40,410
I got a lot of those that
happened right at the top
1421
01:09:40,410 --> 01:09:43,546
of divorce action, when both
people were in the house
1422
01:09:43,546 --> 01:09:46,249
and one person wanted
to get the other person
1423
01:09:46,249 --> 01:09:47,917
out of the house.
1424
01:09:47,917 --> 01:09:51,587
It may be that, in fact,
there is no violence,
1425
01:09:51,587 --> 01:09:54,824
but they make it up because
they talked with their friends,
1426
01:09:54,824 --> 01:09:57,160
or they've gone to a lawyer
who said, "Make it up
1427
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:58,695
"and if you really
do a good job,
1428
01:09:58,695 --> 01:10:00,596
"then you can get
him kicked out.
1429
01:10:00,596 --> 01:10:03,518
"Now you're in the house,
you have a big leg up
1430
01:10:03,634 --> 01:10:06,837
in keeping the kids and
maybe keeping possession
1431
01:10:06,998 --> 01:10:07,918
of the house."
1432
01:10:08,105 --> 01:10:11,433
I've counseled women
and a few men at how
1433
01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:13,420
to get the other side
thrown out of the house.
1434
01:10:15,445 --> 01:10:17,580
How hard is that to do?
1435
01:10:17,580 --> 01:10:20,850
If you follow
my instructions, easy.
1436
01:10:21,235 --> 01:10:24,754
Domestic violence, first of all,
is defined so broadly,
1437
01:10:24,754 --> 01:10:28,224
there's so many things that
can count as domestic violence,
1438
01:10:29,089 --> 01:10:35,027
that it's not hard, it's not hard
to be accused of domestic violence.
1439
01:10:35,498 --> 01:10:39,635
It's really a travesty,
the way a system, the system
1440
01:10:39,635 --> 01:10:43,706
that was designed to protect
women from domestic abuse,
1441
01:10:43,706 --> 01:10:46,509
to protect children from
abuse, to protect children
1442
01:10:46,509 --> 01:10:49,078
from sexual abuse,
a system that was set up
1443
01:10:49,896 --> 01:10:52,615
with every good intention,
that was set up to protect
1444
01:10:52,615 --> 01:10:56,252
those who needed it,
has been allowed to be subverted
1445
01:10:56,252 --> 01:11:00,199
so that false accusers, really,
are able to gain so much
1446
01:11:00,507 --> 01:11:02,542
by making the false accusation.
1447
01:11:02,792 --> 01:11:05,461
Physical violence and
sexual assault are crimes
1448
01:11:05,461 --> 01:11:06,596
and our justice
system is set up
1449
01:11:06,596 --> 01:11:08,831
to handle criminal
accusations like this,
1450
01:11:08,831 --> 01:11:12,986
but family courts also listen to
and act upon such accusations
1451
01:11:13,002 --> 01:11:15,404
and because false
accusations are so common
1452
01:11:15,404 --> 01:11:18,908
during a divorce, these cases
are typically not turned over
1453
01:11:18,908 --> 01:11:20,476
to criminal court.
1454
01:11:20,476 --> 01:11:22,178
Family court judges
have to distinguish
1455
01:11:22,178 --> 01:11:24,981
between true abuse victims
and those crying wolf
1456
01:11:24,981 --> 01:11:26,682
for financial gain.
1457
01:11:26,682 --> 01:11:29,815
Unfortunately, when
you call the police
1458
01:11:30,110 --> 01:11:33,363
and you tell them about
bruising or whatever,
1459
01:11:33,809 --> 01:11:38,126
their first reaction is not
"Are there any weapons in the house?"
1460
01:11:38,274 --> 01:11:39,389
or "Do you have
medical records?"
1461
01:11:39,563 --> 01:11:40,705
or "Can I see the bruises?"
1462
01:11:41,012 --> 01:11:45,300
Their first reaction is
"Are you involved in a custody case?"
1463
01:11:45,601 --> 01:11:48,838
When you use
the system as a leg up,
1464
01:11:48,838 --> 01:11:50,907
you're damaging all
the women out there
1465
01:11:50,907 --> 01:11:52,842
who are truly getting abused,
1466
01:11:52,842 --> 01:11:54,443
because it taints
the whole system.
1467
01:11:54,443 --> 01:11:57,613
You look at it with a tainted
eye when people are crying wolf
1468
01:11:57,613 --> 01:12:00,819
and there is none there
and judges get it wrong.
1469
01:12:01,384 --> 01:12:02,885
It happens.
1470
01:12:02,885 --> 01:12:04,387
We're beginning tonight
with new details
1471
01:12:04,387 --> 01:12:06,789
about a local mother's
efforts to keep her kids away
1472
01:12:06,789 --> 01:12:09,692
from her husband, because she
believed he was dangerous.
1473
01:12:09,692 --> 01:12:11,928
A judge denied her request.
1474
01:12:11,928 --> 01:12:15,765
Six weeks later, her husband
shot and killed them all.
1475
01:12:15,765 --> 01:12:17,466
When she filed for
divorce on May 29,
1476
01:12:17,466 --> 01:12:20,636
she asked the court for sole
custody of their two children,
1477
01:12:20,636 --> 01:12:22,038
Bailey and Jackson.
1478
01:12:22,038 --> 01:12:24,674
Asked to explain
the immediate danger,
1479
01:12:24,674 --> 01:12:27,076
she wrote, "My husband
threatened to steal them
1480
01:12:27,076 --> 01:12:28,377
"and not return them.
1481
01:12:28,377 --> 01:12:29,779
"He has threatened
to hurt them.
1482
01:12:29,779 --> 01:12:32,815
"He yells at them and makes
them feel nervous and upset."
1483
01:12:32,815 --> 01:12:35,885
On the same page, you can
see the judge's response.
1484
01:12:35,885 --> 01:12:39,755
"Denied. Danger
not established."
1485
01:12:39,755 --> 01:12:42,225
Tragedies like this, perhaps,
would be handled differently
1486
01:12:42,225 --> 01:12:46,229
if judges did not hear so many
fictitious cries for protection
1487
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:48,798
and because of these tragedies,
some judges elect
1488
01:12:48,798 --> 01:12:51,734
to issue restraining orders
whenever an allegation
1489
01:12:51,734 --> 01:12:54,637
of abuse is made,
no matter how credible.
1490
01:12:54,637 --> 01:12:56,994
You hate to be wrong on
a domestic violence charge.
1491
01:12:57,121 --> 01:12:58,820
You err on the side of caution.
1492
01:13:00,109 --> 01:13:02,612
But, this can also have
horrible consequences,
1493
01:13:02,612 --> 01:13:04,947
as Mark Byron found out.
1494
01:13:04,947 --> 01:13:07,650
My competence as a father
has never been questioned
1495
01:13:07,650 --> 01:13:09,285
by my first wife.
1496
01:13:09,285 --> 01:13:11,020
I have a nine year old son.
1497
01:13:11,020 --> 01:13:14,490
His name's Zach and we have
a shared parenting agreement.
1498
01:13:14,490 --> 01:13:16,659
We split the time
with him 50/50, so...
1499
01:13:16,659 --> 01:13:19,061
and she's never made any
allegations of abuse
1500
01:13:19,061 --> 01:13:22,331
or negligence or
anything of that sort.
1501
01:13:22,331 --> 01:13:24,799
Eventually, Mark remarried
and had another son
1502
01:13:24,799 --> 01:13:26,969
with his new wife.
1503
01:13:26,969 --> 01:13:29,839
One thing led to another and
we had a horrible argument
1504
01:13:29,839 --> 01:13:33,109
and she ends up calling
the police on me.
1505
01:13:33,109 --> 01:13:35,378
You know, the police, they made
a call right there on the spot.
1506
01:13:35,378 --> 01:13:37,813
They said, "Look, we're not
going to arrest your husband.
1507
01:13:37,813 --> 01:13:38,848
"Normally, we arrest somebody,
1508
01:13:38,848 --> 01:13:40,616
"but you don't have
a mark on you.
1509
01:13:40,616 --> 01:13:42,084
"Everything seems fine here."
1510
01:13:42,084 --> 01:13:44,120
Even though the police
didn't arrest anyone,
1511
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,656
Mark's wife got a restraining
order from family court
1512
01:13:46,656 --> 01:13:49,125
and also filed
a criminal complaint.
1513
01:13:49,125 --> 01:13:51,560
Mark was kicked out of
his home and not allowed
1514
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:53,296
to see his newborn son.
1515
01:13:53,296 --> 01:13:55,498
You're talking about
a parent being thrown out
1516
01:13:55,498 --> 01:13:59,068
of his or her home,
cut off from his or her children,
1517
01:13:59,068 --> 01:14:02,938
losing God knows how much
in financial assets, right,
1518
01:14:02,938 --> 01:14:05,608
and it's like, it's slightly
more likely that one side's
1519
01:14:05,608 --> 01:14:06,709
"telling the truth
than the other."
1520
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:08,991
Boom, restraining order. Done.
1521
01:14:09,143 --> 01:14:11,280
A lot of times, it's
the attorneys driving this.
1522
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:14,279
The attorney wants to win
and the attorney knows
1523
01:14:14,428 --> 01:14:16,719
that if their client
can claim to be abused
1524
01:14:16,989 --> 01:14:20,089
or make an accusation of abuse,
that puts their client
1525
01:14:20,089 --> 01:14:23,759
in the driver's seat and
they're much more likely to win.
1526
01:14:23,759 --> 01:14:26,862
It took a long time to
get through the court system.
1527
01:14:26,862 --> 01:14:31,485
Everything just takes forever,
but finally I had my day
1528
01:14:31,625 --> 01:14:33,528
in court, in criminal court.
1529
01:14:34,815 --> 01:14:37,239
I was found not guilty and
it was such a relief.
1530
01:14:37,239 --> 01:14:39,208
This was like the weight
of the world was
1531
01:14:39,208 --> 01:14:40,643
lifted off my shoulders,
1532
01:14:40,643 --> 01:14:43,713
but that was a different judge
than the one that was deciding
1533
01:14:43,713 --> 01:14:47,149
on the custody and
visitation in family court.
1534
01:14:47,149 --> 01:14:49,719
Even though the magistrate
overseeing my divorce
1535
01:14:49,719 --> 01:14:52,254
was fully aware of
the fact that I was acquitted
1536
01:14:52,254 --> 01:14:56,335
of domestic violence,
he still made a decision
1537
01:14:56,519 --> 01:14:58,227
to take my son away from me.
1538
01:14:58,227 --> 01:15:01,197
It's been really hard
not getting to see him
1539
01:15:01,197 --> 01:15:02,632
and miss every, you know,
1540
01:15:02,638 --> 01:15:04,792
His birthday was last week
and I didn't get to see him.
1541
01:15:08,082 --> 01:15:10,282
I felt like it was time for me
to tell my side of the story,
1542
01:15:10,441 --> 01:15:11,713
because I've been
quiet for so long.
1543
01:15:11,854 --> 01:15:14,143
People are probably wondering
why I don't get to see my son.
1544
01:15:14,143 --> 01:15:16,479
Mark decided to express
himself privately
1545
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:17,847
to his friends on Facebook,
1546
01:15:17,847 --> 01:15:19,582
believing that his
First Amendment right
1547
01:15:19,582 --> 01:15:21,384
of free speech
would protect him.
1548
01:15:21,384 --> 01:15:23,853
And I simply said, "If you're
an evil, vindictive woman
1549
01:15:23,853 --> 01:15:26,021
"and you want to ruin
your husband's life
1550
01:15:26,021 --> 01:15:29,358
"and take your son's father
away from him completely,
1551
01:15:29,358 --> 01:15:31,660
"all you have to do is
say that you're scared
1552
01:15:31,660 --> 01:15:33,829
"and they'll take him away".
1553
01:15:33,829 --> 01:15:35,765
And I really just meant that
in general, because I've come
1554
01:15:35,765 --> 01:15:39,068
to realize someone
can just simply say,
1555
01:15:39,912 --> 01:15:42,490
whether it's true or not,
just making a claim about somebody
1556
01:15:42,654 --> 01:15:45,584
is enough to destroy a family,
tear everyone apart.
1557
01:15:45,941 --> 01:15:48,711
Within a few days,
I got a letter in the mail
1558
01:15:48,711 --> 01:15:50,179
from the court system.
1559
01:15:50,179 --> 01:15:52,815
I'd had a contempt of court
charge filed against me
1560
01:15:52,815 --> 01:15:55,584
and I explained to
the magistrate that
1561
01:15:55,584 --> 01:15:58,754
this is my private
Facebook wall.
1562
01:15:58,754 --> 01:16:01,257
One of Mark's friends
gave his ex-wife access
1563
01:16:01,257 --> 01:16:04,126
to the Facebook post.
1564
01:16:05,175 --> 01:16:06,919
Mark was found in
contempt of court,
1565
01:16:07,070 --> 01:16:10,065
even though he hadn't made
his comments public.
1566
01:16:10,065 --> 01:16:13,343
He sentenced me
to 60 days in jail,
1567
01:16:14,108 --> 01:16:18,201
or to publish a prewritten
apology on Facebook
1568
01:16:18,424 --> 01:16:20,289
and it read something
to the effect that,
1569
01:16:20,430 --> 01:16:21,524
you know, I apologize
1570
01:16:21,691 --> 01:16:24,180
to my wife, Elizabeth Byron,
for shedding her
1571
01:16:24,180 --> 01:16:26,615
in an unfavorable light
and it also went on
1572
01:16:26,615 --> 01:16:29,318
to make me apologize for
making claims that the courts
1573
01:16:29,318 --> 01:16:31,487
were keeping me
from seeing my child.
1574
01:16:31,487 --> 01:16:34,490
I didn't make it to the full
30 days of apologizing.
1575
01:16:34,551 --> 01:16:35,314
You know what?
1576
01:16:35,436 --> 01:16:37,660
Enough is enough. I'm not
going to do this anymore.
1577
01:16:37,660 --> 01:16:41,363
And when I went before
the judge, Jon Sieve,
1578
01:16:41,363 --> 01:16:44,834
I was fully prepared
to tell him that,
1579
01:16:44,834 --> 01:16:47,269
"No. I'm not going
to apologize anymore."
1580
01:16:47,269 --> 01:16:50,639
Mr Byron, in the
course of history,
1581
01:16:52,314 --> 01:16:57,320
there have been many champions
of the First Amendment.
1582
01:17:01,546 --> 01:17:03,394
You, sir, are not one of them.
1583
01:17:09,842 --> 01:17:13,751
The finding of contempt
will be purged
1584
01:17:13,829 --> 01:17:21,149
as substantial compliance
is hereby recognized.
1585
01:17:22,304 --> 01:17:25,608
I would have liked
to see him incarcerated
1586
01:17:25,608 --> 01:17:28,342
for at least a weekend.
1587
01:17:28,544 --> 01:17:31,418
Now, what I think people need
to know that it doesn't take much
1588
01:17:31,728 --> 01:17:34,450
for a family to get split up.
1589
01:17:34,450 --> 01:17:37,586
Just some simple allegations
that can be really frivolous.
1590
01:17:37,586 --> 01:17:41,357
Many people reached out to me
with like heartfelt condolences
1591
01:17:41,357 --> 01:17:44,426
about, you know, similar
experiences that they had,
1592
01:17:44,426 --> 01:17:46,729
where the court system
had gotten in the middle
1593
01:17:46,729 --> 01:17:48,531
of their family
and torn it apart.
1594
01:17:48,531 --> 01:17:53,482
It definitely opened my eyes
and it made me feel humbled
1595
01:17:53,962 --> 01:17:56,539
to have a chance to at
least let my story get out.
1596
01:17:56,539 --> 01:17:59,280
Maybe in some way,
it could make a difference.
1597
01:18:04,169 --> 01:18:05,491
In Dearborn County, Indiana,
1598
01:18:05,811 --> 01:18:08,250
Dan Brewington encountered
similar hardships.
1599
01:18:08,250 --> 01:18:10,520
After a year of being
separated from his daughters,
1600
01:18:10,853 --> 01:18:13,506
Dan decided to criticize
the judge on his blog.
1601
01:18:14,925 --> 01:18:16,434
Dan said that
the judge had punished
1602
01:18:16,611 --> 01:18:17,928
the three and five
year old girls,
1603
01:18:18,132 --> 01:18:19,910
because their dad had
questioned the ethics
1604
01:18:20,042 --> 01:18:22,511
of the courts and the illegal
actions of their expert,
1605
01:18:22,642 --> 01:18:25,634
Dr. Edward J. Connor
and because the judge
1606
01:18:25,734 --> 01:18:27,803
had denied his
daughters visitation,
1607
01:18:27,803 --> 01:18:29,572
Dan believed
the judge was mentally
1608
01:18:29,572 --> 01:18:32,374
and emotionally abusive
towards his daughters.
1609
01:18:32,374 --> 01:18:35,978
The kids have been
deprived of their father.
1610
01:18:35,978 --> 01:18:40,146
In terms of the psychological
harm on the children,
1611
01:18:40,486 --> 01:18:43,352
these children want
to see their father.
1612
01:18:44,338 --> 01:18:47,385
So, Dan went on to write,
"One of the biggest child abusers
1613
01:18:47,566 --> 01:18:50,298
"is wearing a black robe
and holding the gavel."
1614
01:18:51,112 --> 01:18:52,596
He appealed to friends
and family to send
1615
01:18:52,748 --> 01:18:53,508
letters of support
1616
01:18:53,529 --> 01:18:56,799
to the Indiana Ethics and
Professionalism Committee.
1617
01:18:56,799 --> 01:19:00,102
This one is really
almost laughable,
1618
01:19:00,102 --> 01:19:02,137
because they put
the judge's wife
1619
01:19:02,137 --> 01:19:05,140
on the professionalism
committee, who is supposed
1620
01:19:05,140 --> 01:19:08,077
to supervise
the judges in Indiana.
1621
01:19:08,077 --> 01:19:10,946
Thenm once she receives
a complaint, instead of
1622
01:19:10,946 --> 01:19:12,381
acting on the complaint,
1623
01:19:12,381 --> 01:19:16,257
she has the
individual indicted.
1624
01:19:16,785 --> 01:19:18,787
Dan was arrested
and put in jail
1625
01:19:18,787 --> 01:19:21,824
and bail was set at $600,000,
1626
01:19:21,824 --> 01:19:24,360
an amount he couldn't
possibly afford.
1627
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,162
He was forced to stand
trial in criminal court
1628
01:19:27,162 --> 01:19:29,431
and Bob Kelly was not
allowed to represent Dan,
1629
01:19:29,431 --> 01:19:31,789
because he wasn't
licensed in Indiana.
1630
01:19:32,322 --> 01:19:35,137
And, unfortunately, no other
reputable attorney was willing
1631
01:19:35,137 --> 01:19:37,539
to take a case
against the judge.
1632
01:19:37,539 --> 01:19:40,509
And so, the prosecutor, who'd
worked alongside the judge for years,
1633
01:19:40,509 --> 01:19:44,413
convinced a jury to convict
Dan for intimidation of a judge,
1634
01:19:44,413 --> 01:19:47,349
a judge's wife,
and a custody evaluator,
1635
01:19:47,349 --> 01:19:50,686
all because of what
he wrote on the internet.
1636
01:19:50,779 --> 01:19:54,487
And so, Dan was sentenced
to five years in prison.
1637
01:19:55,090 --> 01:19:59,001
All judges have
the same middle name: God.
1638
01:20:01,130 --> 01:20:03,065
We asked if we could
interview Dan in prison,
1639
01:20:03,065 --> 01:20:05,868
but we were repeatedly
turned down by the warden,
1640
01:20:05,868 --> 01:20:07,936
the judicial council,
and the governor.
1641
01:20:07,936 --> 01:20:12,402
Okay, right now, no cameras.
Shut off the cameras, guys.
1642
01:21:01,393 --> 01:21:05,219
The statistics out there for
fatherless homes are atrocious,
1643
01:21:05,661 --> 01:21:08,430
I mean, like 200% more
likely to commit suicide.
1644
01:21:08,430 --> 01:21:09,698
It's crazy.
1645
01:21:09,698 --> 01:21:12,241
Among other things,
go to jail, teen pregnancy,
1646
01:21:12,385 --> 01:21:14,536
lower grades, depression,
drug and alcohol abuse.
1647
01:21:14,536 --> 01:21:18,040
All of them are like 100
plus percent more probable.
1648
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:20,709
Are you trying, when you take
these cases and present them
1649
01:21:20,709 --> 01:21:24,079
to the judge, are you trying
to spin a narrative?
1650
01:21:24,079 --> 01:21:25,647
Always.
1651
01:21:25,647 --> 01:21:28,550
What's truer than the truth?
The answer?
1652
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:32,923
The story, because in
the story, we distill data
1653
01:21:33,172 --> 01:21:34,389
and give it meaning.
1654
01:21:34,389 --> 01:21:37,826
And what's the story that
we family law attorneys
1655
01:21:37,826 --> 01:21:40,763
and mediators hear every day?
1656
01:21:40,763 --> 01:21:44,979
It's the story of
a victim, the victimizer
1657
01:21:45,681 --> 01:21:49,857
and it's very important in
stories to have a rescuer.
1658
01:21:50,093 --> 01:21:51,962
There's always got to
be that third person
1659
01:21:52,151 --> 01:21:53,809
and who is going to
be that rescuer?
1660
01:21:53,809 --> 01:21:56,411
Well, it might be the lawyer,
it might be the judge.
1661
01:21:56,793 --> 01:21:59,296
You have to create a theme
and try and keep it going
1662
01:21:59,461 --> 01:22:02,180
through the case, so that it
sticks in the judge's mind
1663
01:22:02,336 --> 01:22:03,775
when they're making
a final decision.
1664
01:22:03,969 --> 01:22:05,120
I can tell you when
I represent women,
1665
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:07,556
I can make a man look like a
piece of shit in two seconds.
1666
01:22:07,556 --> 01:22:09,591
Get up there, "What's the name
of your daughter's teacher?"
1667
01:22:09,591 --> 01:22:11,994
"What grade is she in?"
"What's the doctor's name?"
1668
01:22:11,994 --> 01:22:13,862
They know none of those.
1669
01:22:13,862 --> 01:22:15,464
Are they good dads? Excellent.
1670
01:22:15,464 --> 01:22:17,232
I can make them look like they
don't care about their kid
1671
01:22:17,232 --> 01:22:19,434
in three seconds, because
that is not a man's strength.
1672
01:22:19,434 --> 01:22:22,571
There have been a number
of studies that show
1673
01:22:22,571 --> 01:22:27,831
that it is a public health
hazard, not just general stress,
1674
01:22:27,994 --> 01:22:32,340
but the number of deaths by
suicide, one-car accident,
1675
01:22:32,830 --> 01:22:36,539
murder, that come out
of the raw turmoil
1676
01:22:36,686 --> 01:22:37,953
of a family law dispute.
1677
01:22:37,953 --> 01:22:40,222
I've seen men
walk out crying,
1678
01:22:40,222 --> 01:22:43,559
I've seen women walk out
crying and what do you do?
1679
01:22:43,559 --> 01:22:44,787
What do you do?
1680
01:22:44,811 --> 01:22:46,408
I mean, it's, it's, it's...
1681
01:22:46,568 --> 01:22:49,143
You can't sit there and not feel
bad for some of these people.
1682
01:22:49,660 --> 01:22:51,642
How much can the body take?
1683
01:22:51,767 --> 01:22:53,135
I'm getting screwed
here and I'm supposed
1684
01:22:53,135 --> 01:22:54,403
to sit here and take it?
1685
01:22:54,403 --> 01:22:56,405
Sir, I'm going to ask
you not to make any comments
1686
01:22:56,405 --> 01:22:58,502
in the middle of my decision.
1687
01:23:03,512 --> 01:23:05,447
Family court results
in more violence
1688
01:23:05,447 --> 01:23:06,715
than any other area of law.
1689
01:23:06,715 --> 01:23:08,550
I haven't done
anything to this court,
1690
01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:10,719
I haven't done
anything to them.
1691
01:23:10,719 --> 01:23:14,323
She will be arrested
for contempt of court.
1692
01:23:14,323 --> 01:23:17,773
They're all witnessing
their entire life crashing
1693
01:23:17,860 --> 01:23:19,261
upon the rocks.
1694
01:23:19,261 --> 01:23:22,768
The court is so ominous.
It's like armageddon.
1695
01:23:23,332 --> 01:23:25,601
People who feel
backed in a corner
1696
01:23:25,601 --> 01:23:29,353
and are backed into a corner,
sometimes strike out.
1697
01:23:30,904 --> 01:23:31,874
All the shootings
you hear about,
1698
01:23:31,874 --> 01:23:33,775
it's always a divorce.
1699
01:23:40,582 --> 01:23:44,186
Anyone who goes to court
and has been through it,
1700
01:23:44,186 --> 01:23:48,926
knows it's far, far more
severe and damaging
1701
01:23:49,263 --> 01:23:52,754
and expensive than they ever
dreamed before they started.
1702
01:23:53,900 --> 01:23:54,763
Divorce isn't easy at all.
1703
01:23:54,763 --> 01:23:58,600
I think death would be
easier than a divorce.
1704
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:01,570
The judges and
the attorneys work together
1705
01:24:01,570 --> 01:24:04,473
and the litigants are
just grist for the mill
1706
01:24:04,473 --> 01:24:07,843
and the people that they
are affecting have to deal
1707
01:24:08,413 --> 01:24:10,683
with the brutality
of their decisions.
1708
01:24:11,349 --> 01:24:13,482
From what I experienced,
they are neither wise enough
1709
01:24:13,482 --> 01:24:15,884
or intelligent enough
to be making decisions
1710
01:24:15,884 --> 01:24:17,518
affecting other people.
1711
01:24:19,067 --> 01:24:23,762
Get over here.
Bend over that bed.
1712
01:24:23,926 --> 01:24:25,127
Dad.
1713
01:24:25,127 --> 01:24:28,263
Bend over that bed.
Bend over the bed.
1714
01:24:29,064 --> 01:24:30,933
Bend over the bed.
1715
01:24:31,453 --> 01:24:34,553
Stop! Stop!
1716
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:37,940
Bend over
the fucking bed, dammit!
1717
01:24:41,610 --> 01:24:43,946
Lay down, I'll
smack your fucking face.
1718
01:24:43,946 --> 01:24:46,582
You want to put some
more computer games on?
1719
01:24:47,549 --> 01:24:48,917
You want some more?
1720
01:24:51,853 --> 01:24:53,422
Fucking computer.
1721
01:24:53,422 --> 01:24:56,425
I told you I didn't want
one in the goddamn house.
1722
01:25:10,468 --> 01:25:13,442
By granting so much power
to a single human being
1723
01:25:13,442 --> 01:25:15,744
without imposing the checks
and balances specified
1724
01:25:15,744 --> 01:25:18,647
in our Constitution, we have
turned the family courts
1725
01:25:18,647 --> 01:25:22,191
into incubators of corruption,
abuse, extortion,
1726
01:25:22,862 --> 01:25:24,532
and for some, even tragedy.
1727
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,924
At a time when we feel
intensely sad, lonely, or rejected,
1728
01:25:28,924 --> 01:25:31,760
the family courts insinuate
themselves into our lives
1729
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:34,630
and profit from the very
conflict and confusion
1730
01:25:34,630 --> 01:25:36,717
that their laws create.
1731
01:25:37,804 --> 01:25:40,950
And they chastise and punish
us if we dare to complain.
1732
01:25:41,837 --> 01:25:43,535
Do you think
the system's broken?
1733
01:25:44,367 --> 01:25:45,707
Oh, do I think
the system's broken?
1734
01:25:45,707 --> 01:25:47,142
Why don't you just go
down to the courthouse
1735
01:25:47,142 --> 01:25:48,831
and sit there for
a couple hours?
1736
01:25:49,511 --> 01:25:51,454
The US family courts
may have been set up
1737
01:25:51,618 --> 01:25:54,964
with the best intentions,
but the outcome is a disaster.
1738
01:25:56,585 --> 01:25:58,420
What Americans spend
on divorce each year
1739
01:25:58,420 --> 01:26:00,889
could fund a healthy lunch
every day for every child
1740
01:26:00,889 --> 01:26:03,859
from grade school through
high school in both North
1741
01:26:03,859 --> 01:26:08,294
and South America and
all of Africa or provide tuition
1742
01:26:08,463 --> 01:26:11,333
for five million college
students or be used
1743
01:26:11,476 --> 01:26:13,748
to develop 50 new
medicines each year.
1744
01:26:15,470 --> 01:26:17,906
US lawyers and judges who
profit from divorce court
1745
01:26:17,906 --> 01:26:19,574
will defend it.
1746
01:26:19,574 --> 01:26:22,444
Family law is a great example
1747
01:26:22,444 --> 01:26:24,327
of what government
can do for people.
1748
01:26:25,309 --> 01:26:27,315
We have the best
system in the world,
1749
01:26:27,315 --> 01:26:30,318
in terms of divorces.
1750
01:26:30,318 --> 01:26:31,887
Methods intended
to lower the cost,
1751
01:26:31,887 --> 01:26:34,890
like mediation outside
the courtroom have been tried,
1752
01:26:35,796 --> 01:26:38,826
but they never caught on,
because the financial incentive
1753
01:26:38,995 --> 01:26:41,239
to fight is just too powerful.
1754
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:44,533
They are going
to spend all their money
1755
01:26:44,533 --> 01:26:48,704
and their emotional resources
and end up far worse.
1756
01:26:48,704 --> 01:26:52,007
They tell the litigants that
you're spending the money
1757
01:26:52,007 --> 01:26:55,677
that you would use for your
children's college education
1758
01:26:55,677 --> 01:26:58,613
for the college education
of your lawyer's children.
1759
01:26:58,613 --> 01:27:00,916
While Scandinavians
are by no means perfect,
1760
01:27:00,916 --> 01:27:03,752
the benefits of their system
go beyond saving parents
1761
01:27:03,752 --> 01:27:06,221
the time and money
of a court battle.
1762
01:27:06,221 --> 01:27:09,658
The less complicated it is,
the better it is for the kid.
1763
01:27:09,658 --> 01:27:12,461
No one is going to tell me
that fighting for money
1764
01:27:12,461 --> 01:27:14,596
that's going to make
the kid more happy.
1765
01:27:14,596 --> 01:27:18,500
All four of us, me and
the man that I live with now,
1766
01:27:18,500 --> 01:27:21,737
my ex-husband, and his
ex-wife are all raising
1767
01:27:21,737 --> 01:27:24,239
these children up together.
1768
01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:27,843
It may be difficult for
the first few years after a divorce,
1769
01:27:27,843 --> 01:27:32,141
but gradually things
heal and people move
1770
01:27:32,282 --> 01:27:33,648
on in other directions
1771
01:27:33,648 --> 01:27:36,284
and then in a few
years everybody meets
1772
01:27:36,284 --> 01:27:37,385
at a birthday party
1773
01:27:37,385 --> 01:27:39,811
for the kids and
things work out.
1774
01:27:40,589 --> 01:27:44,793
Litigation is very poorly
suited for family matters.
1775
01:27:44,793 --> 01:27:48,662
It pits loved ones against each
other and the kids get caught
1776
01:27:48,849 --> 01:27:49,831
in the crossfire.
1777
01:27:49,831 --> 01:27:51,800
I don't know when
you'll read this,
1778
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:55,771
but I love you so much, mommy.
1779
01:27:55,771 --> 01:27:59,604
I just hope you know what an
impact you've made on my life.
1780
01:28:00,673 --> 01:28:04,541
I have no idea what I
would ever do without you.
1781
01:28:05,814 --> 01:28:09,465
Custody is for prisoners,
but not children.
1782
01:28:10,752 --> 01:28:14,723
So far, we've missed
Christmas '09 and Christmas '10.
1783
01:28:14,723 --> 01:28:17,620
And obviously, that takes
a big chunk out of your
1784
01:28:17,737 --> 01:28:20,215
family, your celebrations...
1785
01:28:21,515 --> 01:28:24,915
and we go on, because
that's what you have to do.
1786
01:28:25,901 --> 01:28:29,142
Our daughter Mackenzie had
always been daddy's girl
1787
01:28:31,039 --> 01:28:34,167
and then, you know, it just changed
and then she just started turning
1788
01:28:34,316 --> 01:28:37,272
against me and then,
sure enough, I found out,
1789
01:28:37,586 --> 01:28:41,490
as my ex wrote a letter to
my attorney and just said,
1790
01:28:42,284 --> 01:28:45,353
"I'm just to inform you
that Mackenzie got married
1791
01:28:45,353 --> 01:28:46,788
"at the age of 17".
1792
01:28:46,788 --> 01:28:49,024
And then, I found out on
Facebook a few months ago,
1793
01:28:49,024 --> 01:28:52,700
as my relatives looked
into it, now she's a mom.
1794
01:28:53,662 --> 01:28:55,254
And I'm a grandpa.
1795
01:28:55,730 --> 01:28:56,428
I have a hard time.
1796
01:28:56,583 --> 01:28:58,095
I have to explain this
to my nine year old son,
1797
01:28:58,262 --> 01:29:01,723
like how does he, how can
I make him understand
1798
01:29:02,775 --> 01:29:04,049
why he can't see his brother?
1799
01:29:07,455 --> 01:29:09,460
How do you explain
that to a nine year old?
1800
01:29:10,579 --> 01:29:13,206
These kids,
they just get tortured.
1801
01:29:15,259 --> 01:29:18,253
Something must be done to
change the laws in the US.
1802
01:29:19,244 --> 01:29:20,188
There are things
that you can do
1803
01:29:20,288 --> 01:29:23,592
and you need to fight back and
you need to take any anger
1804
01:29:23,592 --> 01:29:27,432
and hurt and, you know, anxiety
you have and put it into action
1805
01:29:27,729 --> 01:29:29,865
and show up for things like
what we have here today,
1806
01:29:29,865 --> 01:29:32,467
because only if the people
stand up to tyranny
1807
01:29:32,467 --> 01:29:33,400
will things ever change.
1808
01:29:33,558 --> 01:29:35,131
What we have is
judicial tyranny.
1809
01:29:35,503 --> 01:29:37,272
Every day,
what I'm thinking is,
1810
01:29:37,272 --> 01:29:42,745
"What steps do I have to
take to ensure that I reunify
1811
01:29:42,890 --> 01:29:44,112
"with my children?"
1812
01:29:44,112 --> 01:29:47,582
I am willing to fight
this 'til the very end.
1813
01:29:47,582 --> 01:29:51,086
I felt that I owed it
to my kids to keep trying
1814
01:29:51,086 --> 01:29:52,854
to do the right thing.
1815
01:29:52,854 --> 01:29:56,124
Today, it may
be Dan Brewington.
1816
01:29:56,124 --> 01:29:59,527
Tomorrow, it could
be you, it could be me,
1817
01:29:59,527 --> 01:30:02,597
or it could be
anybody out there.
1818
01:30:02,597 --> 01:30:04,466
I think someday
in the future,
1819
01:30:04,466 --> 01:30:06,334
when shared parenting
is the norm,
1820
01:30:06,334 --> 01:30:08,803
when the family court
systems have been reformed,
1821
01:30:08,803 --> 01:30:11,606
I think we're going to
look back on this era
1822
01:30:11,606 --> 01:30:13,975
the way we look back
on the dark ages,
1823
01:30:13,975 --> 01:30:16,675
as a very barbaric era
where people are just going
1824
01:30:16,806 --> 01:30:17,779
to scratch their heads
and they're just going
1825
01:30:17,779 --> 01:30:20,605
to not believe that this
is the way we handled this.
1826
01:30:22,784 --> 01:30:24,741
Maybe we should get
rid of family courts.
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