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[birds chirping]
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[man coughing]
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-[fire whooshes, crackles]
-[girl] Daddy!
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[man choking]
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[choking and coughing
intensifies]
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[man] My babies.
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-Mom? Mom!
-[man] My babies, help!
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[girl] Mommy, come here.
There's a fire!
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There's a fire in there!
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Call the fire department!
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[phone dialing]
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[woman] Yes. Hello,
I'd like to report fire.
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Yes, it's 1213 West 11th Street.
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Uh, yeah.
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It's my-- It's my neighbor's.
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Yes, there is...
There's babies in there.
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I don't know.
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-[smashing]
-[gasps]
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There's been an explosion.
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Oh, my God.
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[sobbing]
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[man] Please, God.
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-Please, let them be all right.-[sirens blaring]
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Please, please, God.
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I'm sorry.
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[man sobbing]
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[tools clanking, cutting]
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[sobbing]
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-[footsteps crunching]
-[beads jangle]
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[man 1] It didn't start in here.
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[camera clicks]
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[man 2] What a sick puppy.
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Well, lookie here.
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He didn't take no chances.
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Check this out.
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[man 2] Crazed glass.
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[camera clicks]
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Kids' room.
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[man 1] Piece of shit waited
'till they were asleep.
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So, he pours the accelerant
here.
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-And it flashes over.-It goes straight out the door.
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-Right along that baseboard.
-Yup.
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Onto the porch.
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Son of a bitch.
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We'll nail him.
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[phone ringing]
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Thank you for coming down,
folks.
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-I know how hard this must be.
-[phone continues ringing]
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This is Mr. Fogg, Mr. Vasquez.They're investigating the fire.
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[Fogg] Our condolences.
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Y'all find out anything?
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We're still trying to find
our way.
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Think you might be able to helpus figure out a couple things.
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Of course.
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It's Stacy, right?
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Now, you weren't in the house
at the time of the fire.
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That's right.
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She works nights sometimes,
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stopped on the way home
from work.
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Whereabouts was it you stopped,darling?
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I stopped at the Salvation Armyto get the babies some presents.
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-At 9:00 in the morning?
-Well, Christmas is coming
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-and we're broke, so...
-Of course.
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How about the day before?
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Anything unusual happen?
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No, sir.
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[rock music playing]
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[children crying, screaming]
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Hey, there.
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How are my precious ladies?
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Ooh, why are you crying?
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They've been crying all fuckingmorning.
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You girls are lucky.
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If your mama wasn't so pretty,
you three wouldn't be here.
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Oh, you fucking stink.
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What, do you think you can
just stay out all night
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and then come home
and sweet-talk me?
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Honey, I had a couple o' drinks.
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I already got one DUI,
so I stopped at Mikey's.
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[kids continue screaming]
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-What?
-Nothing.
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Have at it.
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So, that night,
you went to work?
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Yeah, I work nights.
We need the money.
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And you stayed at home
with the kids?
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-You do that a lot?
-That's right.
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I guess I'm one of them
stay-at-home dads
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everybody's talking about.
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There's another dinner in the
oven if you're hungry.
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Who is it this time, Todd?
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Who was who?
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I already told you
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-where I was last night.
-You ain't told me shit.
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You think I'm stupid?
What the fuck is this?
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Baby, you're the one that said
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you don't wanna have
no more children.
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Then what's it doing in your
wallet, you bastard?
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I don't know.
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-I thought maybe surprise sex---You're such a fucking liar.
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I could smell the bitch on youwhen you walked in this morning.
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-I'm not lying to you, honey.
-Mm-hmm. You ain't worth shit
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-for a husband.
-Bitch!
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I'm here every goddamn day
taking care of these kids.
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Oh, yeah? And why's that?
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Why are you here every goddamn
day taking care of these kids?
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Because you don't have
a fucking job, that's why.
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Because you are a fucking loser.
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Better shut the fuck up
that shit right now--
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Or what?
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-I swear to God, woman.
-You hit me again? Go on.
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Oh, yeah, that's right. You
can't hit me.
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Because if you do,
then I can't go to work,
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and I can't make you money
to go out drinking and fucking
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whatever the fuck else you do.
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So, Stacy went to work that
night and you just, uh,
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stayed in bed?
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[bottles clinking]
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Yes, sir.
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Had a few beers, maybe?
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No.
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[Fogg] Reckon your kids
sleep pretty sound?
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[Cameron Todd Willingham]
Usually.
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And then that night?
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It was morning.
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I was asleep, so I thought I
was dreaming at first.
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-[girl] Daddy!
-But then I realized
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I could hear Amber screaming,
"Daddy! Daddy!"
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[Amber] Daddy!
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Everything was full of smoke.
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I couldn't see nothing
but black.
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It smelled like it did
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when the microwave
blowed up last month.
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-Fires, lights popping.
-[Amber] Daddy!
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Girls!
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So, I made it to their room
and...
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[Todd grunting, gasping]
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I had to kick through
the child-proof thing.
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-[grunting]
-[smashing, crackling]
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I never felt anything
so hot in my life.
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[coughing]
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I thought I'd found Amber,
but she was gone.
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Amber.
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Girls.
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Amber!
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Girls!
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I couldn't take the heat, so...
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I had to get outside, catch my
breath.
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-[crackling]
-[spluttering, choking]
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That's when I hollered out
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for my neighbor
to call emergency.
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Can you think of why anyone
would wanna hurt your family?
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No, sir.
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We had three
of the prettiest babies
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anybody could've asked for.
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Off and on, we'd fight
and break up for a while,
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but it was always the babies
that brought us back together.
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Neither of us could've lived
without them kids.
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Sometimes, I wish Amber
had never woke me up.
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You know, Todd,
you've been in trouble before.
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-Yes, sir.
-A couple of those times
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when we asked you what happened,
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you didn't exactly tell the
truth, isn't that so?
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No, sir.
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But you're telling the truth
now?
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Yes, sir.
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Just as Jesus, the Lamb of God,was taken too soon,
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so too were these three
innocents,
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taken back to the bosom
of the Lord.
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How else are we to understand
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the loss of Amber, Karmen,
and Kameron.
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Do you wanna stop somewhere
and maybe get...
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-something to eat?
-Cameron Todd Willingham,
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I don't wanna hear your voice.
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And maybe never again.
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-I'm hurting, too, baby--
-Did you hear a word I said?
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Oh, if you're gonna start
demonizing me,
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-speak to me like--
-I'll speak to you
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-however I please.
-You will not either.
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Baby, if we're ever gonna get
through this,
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-we gotta work together on--
-Stop the car.
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Stop the car,
let me out of the car.
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-Why? Why, what's the matter--
-Stop the car!
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-I won't stop the car--
-Stop the fucking car, Todd!
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-Tell me why.
-Let me out of the car!
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Stop the fucking car, Todd!
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-[tires screeching]
-Let me out of the car!
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-Stop the fucking car!
-[car horns blaring]
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Those were my babies!
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Those were my babies
and you didn't save them!
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They were my babies!
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My babies, Todd!
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[police sirens wailing]
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[police officer] Driver!
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Exit the vehicle, put your handsup where I can see them.
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Do it now!
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Turn around, face away from me.
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Interlace your hands
behind your head.
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Do not look back.
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Cameron Todd Willingham...
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you're under arrest for murder.
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-Murder?
-[officer] You come with me.
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-Who did I kill?
-Come on.
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We'll talk about it
at the station.
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[Marty] Let's go, Todd.
You know the way.
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I only just buried them, Marty.
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This is some fucked up bullshit.
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Stand right there.
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Let's go.
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You're a real piece of shit,
you know that?
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Your own kids?
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-Jesus, man.
-I didn't do it, Marty.
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Fuck you!
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Hey, fuck you!
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[cellmate] Man, would you get
the fuck down from there?
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This ain't no fucking zoo!
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Jesus fucking Christ.
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You want a banana?
That'll make you calm down?
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They ain't gonna throw you no
fucking peanuts,
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you know that, right?
[chuckles]
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Who're you talking to, boy?
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I was just talking
to that mullet,
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you know,
she's real cute.
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She gave me a little wink,
you know.
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-This yours?
-Hey.
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Yours?
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Get up.
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Look, I'm good, man.I was just fucking around.
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You ain't gotta take shit
so personal.
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You smell like you wanna be leftalone.
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If you plead guilty,
you might live.
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I'm not confessing
to something I didn't do.
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I'll say any goddamn thing
you like,
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but I will not say
I killed my own kids.
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With the evidence they got,
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-they're gonna--
-I'm going to take the stand
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and I'm gonna talk to the judgeabout it.
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Idiot, they will tear you up
on the stand.
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Oh, they better.
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00:14:04,539 --> 00:14:05,627
Boy, you're about as
dumb as you look--
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What the fuck is wrong
with you, huh?
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Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
Todd, calm down.
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Oh, listen to him!
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They wanna kill me? Good.
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They better start
digging my grave now,
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because I'll die before I say
I killed my own kids.
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Boy, I am the only thing betweenyou and the needle right now.
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No way in hell
I'm putting you on that stand.
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[radio presenter] Good morning, Texas. This is KZYZ.
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The phone lines are burning up. Let's hear from you.
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[woman] I never liked him.
I always thought there was
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something kind of
off about him,
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00:14:37,833 --> 00:14:39,182
and it doesn't surprise me
a little bit.
255
00:14:39,226 --> 00:14:40,880
[man] They should fry him.
256
00:14:40,923 --> 00:14:42,098
-He needs to burn in hell.
-[woman 2] What kind of daddy
257
00:14:42,142 --> 00:14:43,578
would kill his own babies
like that?
258
00:14:43,621 --> 00:14:44,622
[woman 3] Things like this
don't happen here.
259
00:14:44,666 --> 00:14:45,623
[man 2]
Hey, I'll shoot him myself.
260
00:14:45,667 --> 00:14:46,886
Boy took three innocent lives.
261
00:14:46,929 --> 00:14:48,278
The only thing I regret is,
262
00:14:48,322 --> 00:14:50,280
we can't kill him
three times over.
263
00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:52,065
[Mr. Jackson]
Members of the jury,
264
00:14:52,108 --> 00:14:54,023
I'd like you to take a look
265
00:14:54,067 --> 00:14:57,418
at the sweet faces
of these beautiful babies...
266
00:14:58,114 --> 00:15:00,638
Karmen and Kameron,
barely a year old
267
00:15:01,117 --> 00:15:03,598
and already brimming with life.
268
00:15:04,468 --> 00:15:08,124
Little Amber, eagerly waiting
for Santa's visit
269
00:15:08,429 --> 00:15:10,083
in only two days.
270
00:15:11,867 --> 00:15:15,262
Now, I want you to imagine
these little angels...
271
00:15:15,305 --> 00:15:17,786
-[jury gasps]
-...burning in their beds.
272
00:15:19,005 --> 00:15:20,876
This was no arson.
273
00:15:22,486 --> 00:15:23,705
This was murder.
274
00:15:25,098 --> 00:15:28,449
Well, I barely poked my head
out the door when...
275
00:15:30,146 --> 00:15:33,584
he just stood there with
a strange look in his eyes--
276
00:15:33,628 --> 00:15:35,804
-That's total bullshit.
-[whispers] Shut up.
277
00:15:36,587 --> 00:15:39,460
To the best of your knowledge,
did Todd Willingham
278
00:15:39,503 --> 00:15:42,898
ever make an attempt
to get back in that house?
279
00:15:44,378 --> 00:15:46,467
He was too worried about that
car of his.
280
00:15:47,555 --> 00:15:50,471
He didn't try to save those kidstill the cops showed up.
281
00:15:51,385 --> 00:15:54,475
And it was like he was...
putting on a show.
282
00:15:55,519 --> 00:15:58,696
Fire talks to you,
it does not lie.
283
00:15:58,740 --> 00:16:00,785
Then what did that fire
tell you?
284
00:16:00,829 --> 00:16:04,006
That it was deliberately set
by human hands.
285
00:16:06,182 --> 00:16:07,488
[Mr. Jackson]
Can you be more specific?
286
00:16:08,968 --> 00:16:11,100
Someone poured gasoline
through those children's room,
287
00:16:11,144 --> 00:16:14,364
even under their bed
in the shape of a pentagram,
288
00:16:14,408 --> 00:16:15,844
the symbol of the devil.
289
00:16:17,150 --> 00:16:18,890
He kept pouring down the hallwayto the front door,
290
00:16:19,195 --> 00:16:21,937
creating a fire barrier,
preventing any escape.
291
00:16:24,853 --> 00:16:27,160
That fire was hotter
than the hinges of hell.
292
00:16:27,856 --> 00:16:30,206
We found evidenceof what we call crazed glass,
293
00:16:30,250 --> 00:16:32,861
another indication it was goosed
by liquid additive.
294
00:16:33,253 --> 00:16:36,691
Worst of all, the refrigeratorwas moved to block the backdoor.
295
00:16:37,387 --> 00:16:39,259
Someone made that house
into a death trap.
296
00:16:39,694 --> 00:16:43,828
Inspector Vasquez, how manyarson cases have you worked on?
297
00:16:43,872 --> 00:16:45,874
I reckon more than 1,200 fires.
298
00:16:45,917 --> 00:16:47,441
And to the best
of your knowledge,
299
00:16:48,050 --> 00:16:49,704
have you ever been
mistaken?
300
00:16:50,139 --> 00:16:52,968
Sir, fire does not destroy
evidence, it creates it.
301
00:16:53,273 --> 00:16:55,884
If I've ever been wrong,
it's never been pointed out.
302
00:16:57,886 --> 00:16:59,105
Mr. Horton?
303
00:16:59,801 --> 00:17:00,932
No questions, Your Honor.
304
00:17:03,761 --> 00:17:07,896
Mr. Webb, you shared a cell
with Todd Willingham
305
00:17:07,939 --> 00:17:11,030
at the Navarro County Jail,
is that correct?
306
00:17:11,552 --> 00:17:12,553
Yes, sir.
307
00:17:12,901 --> 00:17:15,773
And what did he tell you
at that time?
308
00:17:17,906 --> 00:17:18,776
Well, he...
309
00:17:19,603 --> 00:17:20,909
He said that...
310
00:17:21,953 --> 00:17:26,088
he came home
and that one of his children
311
00:17:26,132 --> 00:17:29,091
was hurt or even dead
or whatever.
312
00:17:29,135 --> 00:17:31,746
-What?
-And then so, he started--
313
00:17:31,789 --> 00:17:35,097
He decided that he was gonnacover it up by starting a fire.
314
00:17:35,141 --> 00:17:36,490
Hell no.
315
00:17:37,317 --> 00:17:40,494
Did he tell you who it was
that injured that child?
316
00:17:41,408 --> 00:17:42,974
He did. He said it was his wife.
317
00:17:43,453 --> 00:17:44,454
-What?
-Yeah.
318
00:17:44,498 --> 00:17:46,282
He said she was crying,
yeah,
319
00:17:46,326 --> 00:17:48,197
and carrying on
with such emotion.
320
00:17:48,241 --> 00:17:52,201
He just decided to take some
paper and wad it up,
321
00:17:52,245 --> 00:17:55,204
and then he burnt it in a way
that made it look like
322
00:17:55,248 --> 00:17:57,119
them children was playing
with it and such.
323
00:17:57,163 --> 00:18:00,818
And did Willingham ever threatenyou about telling anybody
324
00:18:00,862 --> 00:18:02,864
-what he had told you?
-Yeah.
325
00:18:03,821 --> 00:18:05,910
He pointed his finger at me
and did like this.
326
00:18:05,954 --> 00:18:07,086
I'll kill you.
327
00:18:08,522 --> 00:18:09,784
-Thank you, Mr. Webb.
-Y'all need to start speaking
328
00:18:09,827 --> 00:18:11,264
some fucking truth around here!
329
00:18:11,307 --> 00:18:12,743
-Calm down. You just sit down.
-I am!
330
00:18:12,787 --> 00:18:13,831
No, no, this is corrupt.
331
00:18:13,875 --> 00:18:15,137
Don't believe that shit.
332
00:18:15,181 --> 00:18:16,486
That shit never happened, Judge.
333
00:18:16,530 --> 00:18:17,748
Control your client.
334
00:18:17,792 --> 00:18:19,010
-Counselor.-[Todd] That shit didn't happen.
335
00:18:19,054 --> 00:18:21,926
-Counselor.
-You took an oath, didn't you?
336
00:18:21,970 --> 00:18:23,667
Start speaking some
fucking truth then, boy.
337
00:18:23,711 --> 00:18:26,409
-This is my courtroom, sir.
-[gavel bangs]
338
00:18:26,453 --> 00:18:28,890
[judge] Mr. Jackson,
call your next witness.
339
00:18:29,412 --> 00:18:33,024
[Mr. Jackson] Mr. Evans,
you have firsthand knowledge
340
00:18:33,068 --> 00:18:36,854
of Todd Willingham's historyof violent behavior, don't you?
341
00:18:36,898 --> 00:18:37,986
Yes, sir.
342
00:18:38,029 --> 00:18:39,161
Would you explain to us
343
00:18:39,205 --> 00:18:40,815
what transpired
between the two of you?
344
00:18:41,337 --> 00:18:44,819
I mean, maybe me and Stacy
was flirting a little,
345
00:18:45,211 --> 00:18:46,386
but it ain't mean nothing.
346
00:18:47,952 --> 00:18:51,347
Hell, Stacy, she's like that,
and Todd sort of liked it.
347
00:18:51,739 --> 00:18:54,307
Wasn't no reason
to beat the crap outta me.
348
00:18:54,655 --> 00:18:55,830
Sorry, Your Honor.
349
00:18:57,005 --> 00:18:58,659
Beat me half to death.
350
00:18:59,703 --> 00:19:01,879
[Mr. Jackson] But Mr. Willingham's propensity
351
00:19:01,923 --> 00:19:04,882
for violence also found its way
into his home.
352
00:19:05,187 --> 00:19:07,494
Busted lip, black eyes...
353
00:19:09,017 --> 00:19:10,497
bruises all over her legs.
354
00:19:12,673 --> 00:19:15,458
Oh, and a red mark on her
stomach where he kicked her.
355
00:19:15,502 --> 00:19:17,068
[Mr. Jackson] Now, Mrs. King...
356
00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,289
did she say what she believed
357
00:19:20,333 --> 00:19:23,466
the cause of those beatings
to be?
358
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:24,511
Yes, sir.
359
00:19:25,512 --> 00:19:26,861
Stacy was pregnant
360
00:19:26,904 --> 00:19:28,819
and Todd wanted to make her
have a miscarriage.
361
00:19:28,863 --> 00:19:30,865
[gasps and groans]
362
00:19:39,439 --> 00:19:42,050
Is Cathy King's testimony
correct?
363
00:19:43,269 --> 00:19:45,314
-No, sir.
-So, Todd didn't beat you up
364
00:19:45,358 --> 00:19:47,186
when he found out
you were pregnant
365
00:19:47,229 --> 00:19:48,448
and tried to force you
to abort?
366
00:19:48,883 --> 00:19:49,927
No, sir.
367
00:19:50,580 --> 00:19:51,886
He even came with me
to the doctor
368
00:19:51,929 --> 00:19:53,322
when I was pregnant
with them twins.
369
00:19:53,366 --> 00:19:55,194
He was excited
it might be a boy.
370
00:19:56,107 --> 00:19:59,937
So, the testimony we've heard
about the beatings,
371
00:19:59,981 --> 00:20:00,895
the obscenities?
372
00:20:02,113 --> 00:20:03,506
I'm not saying Todd and I
didn't fight,
373
00:20:03,550 --> 00:20:05,204
but I gave him just as many
bruises as he gave me.
374
00:20:05,247 --> 00:20:06,466
[chuckling]
375
00:20:08,598 --> 00:20:10,252
Is it true that the police
376
00:20:10,296 --> 00:20:13,255
were called to your home
to control a situation
377
00:20:13,299 --> 00:20:16,345
where Todd Willingham was
intoxicated
378
00:20:16,389 --> 00:20:21,481
and calling you a, quote,
"Whore, bitch, and slut?"
379
00:20:23,091 --> 00:20:25,224
Yeah. We was always arguing,
it didn't mean nothing.
380
00:20:25,267 --> 00:20:26,312
People argue.
381
00:20:27,182 --> 00:20:29,750
Despite the many occasions
382
00:20:30,098 --> 00:20:32,753
that he behaved
in such a violent manner,
383
00:20:32,796 --> 00:20:34,581
how can you be so sure
384
00:20:35,016 --> 00:20:36,539
that he didn't commit this
crime?
385
00:20:36,583 --> 00:20:38,802
Because he loved those babies.
386
00:20:40,282 --> 00:20:41,501
And he loves me.
387
00:20:41,936 --> 00:20:43,242
Mrs. Willingham,
388
00:20:44,460 --> 00:20:48,072
are you telling us
that all of these witnesses
389
00:20:48,116 --> 00:20:52,251
who have testified to your
husband's violent abuse of you
390
00:20:52,990 --> 00:20:54,296
are just lying?
391
00:20:57,125 --> 00:20:58,126
I don't know.
392
00:20:58,474 --> 00:21:00,955
Do you have any idea why
they would lie?
393
00:21:03,218 --> 00:21:04,263
No.
394
00:21:06,047 --> 00:21:09,790
Now, you were raised
by your grandmother.
395
00:21:12,183 --> 00:21:15,274
Your mother was a victimof family violence, wasn't she?
396
00:21:23,369 --> 00:21:24,283
Mm-hmm.
397
00:21:25,371 --> 00:21:26,285
Can you tell us
what happened to her?
398
00:21:26,546 --> 00:21:27,590
[defense] Objection.
399
00:21:27,634 --> 00:21:29,810
-Irrelevant, Your Honor.
-Overruled.
400
00:21:29,853 --> 00:21:31,812
The witness will
answer the question.
401
00:21:32,465 --> 00:21:33,727
Mrs. Willingham?
402
00:21:35,816 --> 00:21:36,860
[mumbles] She was...
403
00:21:38,645 --> 00:21:40,473
[Mr. Jackson] I'm sorry.
Can you speak up, please?
404
00:21:46,348 --> 00:21:47,175
She was killed.
405
00:21:47,871 --> 00:21:49,003
By your father?
406
00:21:53,660 --> 00:21:54,574
Yes.
407
00:22:01,058 --> 00:22:02,364
No further questions.
408
00:22:03,626 --> 00:22:05,672
You don't understand,
Todd is not like that.
409
00:22:06,194 --> 00:22:08,675
Todd would never do anything
to hurt those babies.
410
00:22:08,718 --> 00:22:10,633
He loved those babies
with all his heart.
411
00:22:10,677 --> 00:22:12,983
He treated those babies
better than anybody else did.
412
00:22:13,027 --> 00:22:15,334
He would feed them
and change their diapers,
413
00:22:15,377 --> 00:22:18,467
and he potty-trained them,
and you are not listening.
414
00:22:18,511 --> 00:22:20,339
-The witness will step down.
-Everybody in here
415
00:22:20,382 --> 00:22:22,471
making up lies, no one's payingattention to the fact,
416
00:22:22,515 --> 00:22:24,343
no one's telling the fucking
truth!
417
00:22:24,386 --> 00:22:26,345
-The witness is excused.
-No one accepts the truth
418
00:22:26,388 --> 00:22:27,911
or listening to anything
we're saying.
419
00:22:27,955 --> 00:22:29,522
-[judge] Young lady--
-When do we get a chance
420
00:22:29,565 --> 00:22:30,436
to say the truth?
421
00:22:32,002 --> 00:22:33,221
-[judge] You will step down.
-I'm sorry, Todd. I'm sorry.
422
00:22:33,569 --> 00:22:34,396
[crying]
423
00:22:37,443 --> 00:22:39,662
Mr. Horton,
call your next witness.
424
00:22:39,706 --> 00:22:42,578
-Your Honor, the defense rests.-Are we all clear
425
00:22:42,622 --> 00:22:44,275
-on what was just said then?
-Todd.
426
00:22:44,319 --> 00:22:45,494
[Todd] Now, hold on a minute.
427
00:22:45,538 --> 00:22:47,017
Before they started
digging up her past,
428
00:22:47,061 --> 00:22:48,932
-y'all were clear on that.
-[indistinct arguing]
429
00:22:48,976 --> 00:22:51,500
This is the worst kind of crimethere is.
430
00:22:51,544 --> 00:22:53,546
And there's been people
called up to this stand
431
00:22:53,589 --> 00:22:56,505
to lie about me, people who
just don't like me anyway.
432
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:58,681
I just wanna make sure
I get a fair trial, Judge.
433
00:22:58,725 --> 00:23:00,509
I wash my hands of this,
Your Honor.
434
00:23:00,553 --> 00:23:02,381
Ain't that how this shit works?
435
00:23:02,424 --> 00:23:04,861
Now, I've sat here and stayed
quiet while y'all paint
436
00:23:04,905 --> 00:23:06,428
the worst possible
picture of me.
437
00:23:06,733 --> 00:23:08,561
Ain't I got a right to respond,Judge?
438
00:23:08,604 --> 00:23:10,040
Well done, son. Well done.
439
00:23:10,084 --> 00:23:11,520
-Sit down. Sit down.
-Where are my friends?
440
00:23:11,564 --> 00:23:13,435
-[judge] Mr. Jackson....
-[Todd] Where are my family?
441
00:23:13,479 --> 00:23:15,872
-...call your next witness.
-People who can vouch for me.
442
00:23:15,916 --> 00:23:17,352
Sir, you need to calm down, sir.
443
00:23:17,396 --> 00:23:21,138
The jury will disregard
what they just saw and heard.
444
00:23:21,182 --> 00:23:23,837
Mr. Jackson,
proceed with your summation.
445
00:23:32,454 --> 00:23:36,763
"Whosoever shall harm
one of my children,
446
00:23:37,981 --> 00:23:42,377
it is better for a millstone tobe hung around his neck
447
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,815
and for him to be cast
into the sea."
448
00:23:48,296 --> 00:23:49,602
Members of the jury,
449
00:23:50,646 --> 00:23:54,433
I ask that the words
of Mark 9:42
450
00:23:54,476 --> 00:23:57,131
remind you
of your responsibility...
451
00:23:58,219 --> 00:24:00,003
as they remind me of mine.
452
00:24:01,091 --> 00:24:03,050
[Mr. Jackson]
Two days before Christmas,
453
00:24:04,007 --> 00:24:06,488
Willingham committed the
ultimate crime.
454
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,188
Can there be a more
righteous case
455
00:24:11,667 --> 00:24:14,540
for the imposition
of the ultimate penalty?
456
00:24:17,238 --> 00:24:20,459
Now, whether capital punishment,
457
00:24:20,502 --> 00:24:23,200
in this case, will deter others,I don't know,
458
00:24:23,244 --> 00:24:28,031
but I do know it will deter
Cameron Todd Willingham.
459
00:24:28,336 --> 00:24:29,990
And that is what
the State of Texas
460
00:24:30,033 --> 00:24:32,079
is asking you to do today.
461
00:24:33,036 --> 00:24:34,821
Willingham wrote his own
death sentence
462
00:24:34,864 --> 00:24:36,518
when he killed those children.
463
00:24:39,042 --> 00:24:42,742
It is your duty to carry it out.
464
00:24:55,406 --> 00:24:56,538
Sit down, boy.
465
00:24:57,670 --> 00:24:59,193
Only been 40 minutes.
466
00:25:00,237 --> 00:25:02,196
Liberation could take days.
467
00:25:07,027 --> 00:25:08,507
Jury is coming in.
468
00:25:14,034 --> 00:25:16,471
[judge] Has the jury panel
reached a verdict?
469
00:25:18,038 --> 00:25:18,908
Yes, sir.
470
00:25:20,127 --> 00:25:20,562
[judge] Would you pass it
to the bailiff?
471
00:25:32,792 --> 00:25:34,402
Will the defendant rise?
472
00:25:41,583 --> 00:25:44,368
By your verdict in this case,
you, the jury,
473
00:25:44,412 --> 00:25:48,503
have found the defendant,
Cameron Todd Willingham,
474
00:25:49,156 --> 00:25:51,898
guilty of the offense of
capital murder,
475
00:25:51,941 --> 00:25:54,422
as charged in the indictment.
476
00:25:57,077 --> 00:25:59,340
Cameron Todd Willingham,
477
00:25:59,993 --> 00:26:02,256
by order of the State of Texas,
478
00:26:03,605 --> 00:26:06,347
-you are sentenced to death.
-[gavel thuds]
479
00:26:09,742 --> 00:26:13,093
This is Tower 4. I got eyes on
our boy on the dog run.
480
00:26:18,272 --> 00:26:19,795
[man 1]
Hey, hey, what's up, homie?
481
00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:22,624
[men jeering]
482
00:26:32,373 --> 00:26:35,376
-[man 2] Fuck you, get inside-[man 3] All right, baby killer.
483
00:26:46,953 --> 00:26:49,869
[indistinct chatter]
484
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,959
Now, this here is general
population.
485
00:26:53,002 --> 00:26:54,613
Get yourself a good hard look
486
00:26:54,656 --> 00:26:56,745
because you ain't never
gonna see a crowd again, boy.
487
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:58,138
[man] Hey, baby killer.
488
00:26:58,486 --> 00:27:01,445
Like killing babies?
Little bitch. You--
489
00:27:01,489 --> 00:27:02,577
Back up!
490
00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:04,666
[man] Oh, you're a sweet one.
491
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:06,407
You're gonna get yours,
baby killer.
492
00:27:11,673 --> 00:27:12,892
[officer] That's it, all right.
493
00:27:13,501 --> 00:27:15,721
The long walk to
the death chamber.
494
00:27:17,244 --> 00:27:19,681
The condemned, that's you,
baby killer,
495
00:27:20,247 --> 00:27:21,814
can have his family there,
496
00:27:22,162 --> 00:27:23,642
at least what's left of them
in your case.
497
00:27:23,685 --> 00:27:25,382
Ha-ha. [chuckles]
498
00:27:25,426 --> 00:27:27,036
You're gonna see it again,
I promise.
499
00:27:27,384 --> 00:27:30,518
-[door buzzer sounds]
-Welcome to death row.
500
00:27:30,779 --> 00:27:32,651
Yeah, I know you're listening,
baby killer.
501
00:27:32,999 --> 00:27:34,914
You wanna know what's coming,
you all do.
502
00:27:35,828 --> 00:27:37,003
It could be days.
503
00:27:37,568 --> 00:27:39,309
Shit, it could be years,
but somehow you guys
504
00:27:39,353 --> 00:27:40,963
-are always so surprised.
-[inmate] Your move.
505
00:27:41,007 --> 00:27:43,226
[officer] It happens
just after your last meal.
506
00:27:43,270 --> 00:27:44,793
You can order any damn thing
you want.
507
00:27:44,837 --> 00:27:46,752
I've seen one poor guy
ask for candy.
508
00:27:47,361 --> 00:27:50,320
[chuckles] What about you,baby killer? What's your poison?
509
00:27:50,364 --> 00:27:53,497
Oh, poison! Injection.
510
00:27:53,541 --> 00:27:55,369
You get it? Get your ass
in there.
511
00:27:57,066 --> 00:27:58,546
-Unhook him.
-[officer 2] Let's go.
512
00:27:59,068 --> 00:28:01,244
First, we strap your ass
to that table,
513
00:28:01,723 --> 00:28:04,160
and then one of us
puts in the IV.
514
00:28:04,204 --> 00:28:05,684
Of course,
we don't always get it right.
515
00:28:05,727 --> 00:28:06,815
Sometimes the fella lays there
516
00:28:06,859 --> 00:28:08,991
just screaming in agony
for hours,
517
00:28:09,035 --> 00:28:10,558
begging to be put out of
his misery.
518
00:28:10,601 --> 00:28:11,646
What if I'm innocent?
519
00:28:11,907 --> 00:28:13,648
[chuckles]
520
00:28:13,996 --> 00:28:15,302
Nobody ever done it,
baby killer.
521
00:28:15,650 --> 00:28:17,870
No, it was their best friend
who done it, or...
522
00:28:19,088 --> 00:28:20,742
he didn't know the gun was
loaded, or...
523
00:28:21,482 --> 00:28:22,962
he was just trying to scare 'em.
524
00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:26,356
But, damn, you,
you just stood there
525
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,010
and watched them babies burn.
526
00:28:28,054 --> 00:28:29,751
Now, that's cold.
527
00:28:35,235 --> 00:28:37,150
That's what I'm gonna do
for you, baby killer.
528
00:28:38,020 --> 00:28:39,239
I'm gonna stay there and watch.
529
00:28:40,631 --> 00:28:42,764
And when they pump that shit
inside of you...
530
00:28:44,897 --> 00:28:47,595
you are gonna burn
from the inside out.
531
00:28:47,987 --> 00:28:48,988
A-107.
532
00:29:02,436 --> 00:29:04,830
[door buzzer sounds]
533
00:29:08,921 --> 00:29:09,835
[man through vent] Hey!
534
00:29:10,139 --> 00:29:11,924
You that Willingham fella?
535
00:29:14,535 --> 00:29:17,146
You the boy that
burned them babies?
536
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:19,540
[man cackling]
537
00:29:20,323 --> 00:29:23,283
Hey, we got something special
for you.
538
00:29:29,637 --> 00:29:32,683
-[buzzer]
-[indistinct chatter]
539
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:34,511
Up through there.
540
00:29:36,513 --> 00:29:38,385
[man] Hey, it's the baby killer.
541
00:29:39,734 --> 00:29:42,084
-What's up, bitch?
-[laughing]
542
00:29:42,128 --> 00:29:43,390
Stop, face the wall.
543
00:29:44,957 --> 00:29:46,785
You get one shower every two
days, that's it.
544
00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:52,181
[grunting, groaning]
545
00:29:52,660 --> 00:29:54,618
We got a fight
in the shower block.
546
00:29:54,662 --> 00:29:58,797
-[alarm sounds]
-[all grunting]
547
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,756
-[man] Hey, come here, boy.
-[man 2] Get him.
548
00:30:03,497 --> 00:30:05,499
[indistinct shouting]
549
00:30:06,674 --> 00:30:09,111
[alarm continues]
550
00:30:09,155 --> 00:30:10,504
Don't you fucking move.
551
00:30:10,547 --> 00:30:11,853
You got him?
Are we good?
552
00:30:15,683 --> 00:30:17,816
[officer 1] Let's see how
you like some alone time, boy.
553
00:30:19,208 --> 00:30:20,557
Son of a bitch can bleed.
554
00:30:20,906 --> 00:30:22,559
[officer 2]
Ain't too pretty anymore.
555
00:30:24,518 --> 00:30:27,086
-Make him your bitch.
-[grunts]
556
00:30:28,435 --> 00:30:29,566
Pick his ass up.
557
00:30:30,698 --> 00:30:32,918
-Piece of shit.
-Come on, get up.
558
00:30:34,093 --> 00:30:36,008
"I'm sorry, boss", say it.
559
00:30:37,009 --> 00:30:37,923
Say it.
560
00:30:38,358 --> 00:30:40,708
[grunts, chokes]
561
00:30:41,230 --> 00:30:44,190
[gasping, coughing]
562
00:30:47,541 --> 00:30:48,803
"I'm sorry, boss."
563
00:30:51,371 --> 00:30:52,198
Say it.
564
00:30:53,634 --> 00:30:55,375
[wheezing]
565
00:31:08,388 --> 00:31:09,389
[door slams]
566
00:31:11,043 --> 00:31:15,395
[groaning, sighing]
567
00:31:42,465 --> 00:31:43,684
[cries]
568
00:31:45,947 --> 00:31:47,427
What the fuck for?
569
00:31:59,656 --> 00:32:00,962
[baby cooing]
570
00:32:01,615 --> 00:32:04,270
[shouting]
571
00:32:04,966 --> 00:32:08,535
Y'all are treating me worse
than a damn animal!
572
00:32:09,014 --> 00:32:11,668
I wouldn't even treat my dog
like this.
573
00:32:13,105 --> 00:32:14,497
[Stacy] Get the fuck out of here, Todd.
574
00:32:14,541 --> 00:32:15,846
Go back to the bar and find
575
00:32:15,890 --> 00:32:16,804
some girl to suck on your dick.
576
00:32:16,847 --> 00:32:18,110
Get the fuck out of here.
577
00:32:18,545 --> 00:32:20,286
Get the fuck out of here, Todd.
578
00:32:20,634 --> 00:32:22,766
[Todd] Who are you
cheating on me with, bitch?
579
00:32:22,810 --> 00:32:25,030
Everybody in the fucking town.
[grunts]
580
00:32:25,334 --> 00:32:27,162
-What's his name?
-The fuck up.
581
00:32:27,206 --> 00:32:28,685
You fucking whore.
582
00:32:28,729 --> 00:32:30,296
Come on, Todd, that's enough.
583
00:32:31,340 --> 00:32:34,126
Come on, baby. I love you
so much, you know that.
584
00:32:35,997 --> 00:32:37,825
See, you're not so bad.
585
00:32:38,347 --> 00:32:40,828
-Come on, baby, it's okay.
-Don't you move.
586
00:32:49,663 --> 00:32:52,492
Come over here, baby.
Come on.
587
00:32:54,189 --> 00:32:56,322
[Todd]
We both fucked up and...
588
00:32:57,149 --> 00:32:58,672
you fucked up too.
589
00:33:02,328 --> 00:33:03,590
[Amber] Daddy!
590
00:33:08,334 --> 00:33:10,162
Daddy!
591
00:33:13,339 --> 00:33:16,864
-[fire whooshing]
-[shouting]
592
00:33:19,171 --> 00:33:21,260
Help! Help me!
593
00:33:38,190 --> 00:33:40,018
Y'all, take me out of here.
594
00:33:44,631 --> 00:33:47,547
[sobs] I promise
I won't do anything bad again.
595
00:33:50,550 --> 00:33:52,073
I promise I'll be good.
596
00:34:30,242 --> 00:34:33,375
Mr. Daniels, may I have a pen
and paper?
597
00:34:33,419 --> 00:34:34,463
Say please.
598
00:34:35,290 --> 00:34:37,118
May I have a pen and paper,
please?
599
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,776
May I have a pen and paper,
please, sir?
600
00:35:02,187 --> 00:35:06,539
Dear Stacy, I don't understand
why you won't come visit me.
601
00:35:07,235 --> 00:35:09,977
I've had a lot of time to think about our life together.
602
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,198
"It already feels like
so long ago."
603
00:35:13,894 --> 00:35:15,765
Him again.
What's he want now?
604
00:35:15,809 --> 00:35:16,853
Grandma, lay off.
605
00:35:19,552 --> 00:35:20,466
[clears throat]
606
00:35:21,728 --> 00:35:23,556
"I have not been good.
607
00:35:24,209 --> 00:35:26,994
I suppose I'm paying for that
now.
608
00:35:28,691 --> 00:35:29,692
But why sh...
609
00:35:31,041 --> 00:35:33,566
Why should I be punishedfor a thing I did not do?
610
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:38,179
You know I would never hurt
those babies."
611
00:35:38,223 --> 00:35:39,876
You tell him to leave you be.
612
00:35:40,529 --> 00:35:43,271
He was a wicked child
that became a wicked man.
613
00:35:43,315 --> 00:35:45,055
And if you'd figured that out
a little sooner,
614
00:35:45,099 --> 00:35:46,796
I might still be a grandmother.
615
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,494
If he killed anybody,
it would have been me.
616
00:35:50,104 --> 00:35:51,149
You know what,
617
00:35:52,541 --> 00:35:53,890
I'm gonna write a letter
to Governor Anne Richards
618
00:35:53,934 --> 00:35:54,978
and tell her how much he loved
his little girls.
619
00:35:55,022 --> 00:35:57,111
Well, that's just great, Stacy.
620
00:35:57,894 --> 00:35:59,505
I'm gonna go write a letter
to Santa.
621
00:36:13,214 --> 00:36:14,911
That's my favorite, Stacy.
622
00:36:15,434 --> 00:36:17,262
Oh, yeah? What a surprise.
623
00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:21,875
Who was that?
624
00:36:23,355 --> 00:36:25,879
You just look real nice
this time of day.
625
00:36:26,706 --> 00:36:27,924
Thank you, Todd.
626
00:36:29,361 --> 00:36:30,536
Wrote you a song.
627
00:36:31,276 --> 00:36:32,581
Oh, yeah?
How does it go?
628
00:36:32,625 --> 00:36:35,454
-Wanna hear it? [clears throat]-Sure, why not?
629
00:36:37,934 --> 00:36:39,458
โช Don't go to work
630
00:36:40,546 --> 00:36:42,069
โช Don't put on your shirt
631
00:36:43,940 --> 00:36:46,595
โช Leave it alone
That little skirt โช
632
00:36:48,249 --> 00:36:49,772
โช Come back to bed
633
00:36:50,817 --> 00:36:52,210
โช Give a little head
634
00:36:54,734 --> 00:36:57,737
โช We can spend our whole life
Rolling in the dirt โช
635
00:36:59,739 --> 00:37:01,871
-Do you like it?
-I like some parts of it.
636
00:37:01,915 --> 00:37:04,265
-Which parts of it do you like?-Take a wild guess.
637
00:37:04,918 --> 00:37:06,224
Rolling in the dirt?
638
00:37:07,007 --> 00:37:08,226
Before that.
639
00:37:08,835 --> 00:37:10,097
Part where you're nice
and sweet--
640
00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:11,446
What are you doing, Todd?
641
00:37:12,491 --> 00:37:13,883
Come on,you're just trying to show off.
642
00:37:13,927 --> 00:37:15,276
One more time, come on.
643
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,017
-I gotta go.
-Come on.
644
00:37:20,412 --> 00:37:22,196
You're like a 12-year-old boy.
645
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:33,207
[Stacy] I give in.
646
00:37:38,430 --> 00:37:39,518
[Todd] Dear Stacy,
647
00:37:41,128 --> 00:37:42,869
I don't understand why you
won't answer my letters.
648
00:37:44,087 --> 00:37:45,959
I know you can never get over
what happened,
649
00:37:46,002 --> 00:37:47,830
but I lost everything, too.
650
00:37:48,483 --> 00:37:52,618
Not just the kids
and you and our home,
651
00:37:52,966 --> 00:37:54,968
but pretty soon now, my life.
652
00:37:58,798 --> 00:38:01,148
-[officer] All right, walk.
-They have given the needle
653
00:38:01,191 --> 00:38:04,151
to at least one of us every
month since I've been here.
654
00:38:04,717 --> 00:38:06,022
[inmate 1]
God bless you, brother.
655
00:38:06,066 --> 00:38:07,285
[inmate 2] Hang in there, bro.
656
00:38:08,634 --> 00:38:09,852
[inmate 3]
We'll be praying for you.
657
00:38:12,028 --> 00:38:13,334
[inmate 4] Be strong.
658
00:38:13,378 --> 00:38:17,033
[rhythmic banging]
659
00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:19,993
[Todd] I'd like to believe
660
00:38:21,342 --> 00:38:22,169
that even in a terrible place
like this
661
00:38:22,212 --> 00:38:23,170
there may be some good.
662
00:38:24,476 --> 00:38:26,478
But all I see is cruelty
and suffering.
663
00:38:26,826 --> 00:38:28,871
Everybody pretty much hates it
the same.
664
00:38:30,395 --> 00:38:33,572
[man] ...And we will be raised
in pairs.
665
00:38:33,833 --> 00:38:36,314
And death will be swallowed
in victory.
666
00:38:36,879 --> 00:38:39,186
-[officer] Come here.
-[man] Where's your victory?
667
00:38:39,404 --> 00:38:42,494
Death, where is--
will you let me fucking walk?
668
00:38:42,711 --> 00:38:44,800
-Will you let me fucking walk?
-Chill the fuck out.
669
00:38:44,844 --> 00:38:46,106
[man] Let me walk
like a fucking man.
670
00:38:47,412 --> 00:38:48,674
Stand tall, bro.
671
00:38:48,717 --> 00:38:51,372
[man sobbing] Oh, God! Oh, God!
672
00:38:51,416 --> 00:38:53,548
Let me fucking walk,
you bastard!
673
00:38:54,201 --> 00:38:58,031
Hey, baby killer! Baby killer!
674
00:39:00,425 --> 00:39:01,687
Hey, white boy.
675
00:39:04,254 --> 00:39:05,821
Yo, asshole!
676
00:39:05,865 --> 00:39:07,693
What's your problem, man?
I'm talking to you.
677
00:39:07,736 --> 00:39:09,390
You think I'm stupid
or something, boy?
678
00:39:09,434 --> 00:39:10,348
Boy?
679
00:39:11,523 --> 00:39:13,046
-Come again?
-If I say anything to you,
680
00:39:13,089 --> 00:39:14,917
you're gonna start saying
I confess some shit,
681
00:39:14,961 --> 00:39:16,919
get a reduced sentence,
fuck that!
682
00:39:16,963 --> 00:39:18,617
Hey, listen good, sugar.
683
00:39:20,053 --> 00:39:24,100
They get you here,
they got you good.
684
00:39:25,624 --> 00:39:27,365
Confession make you feel better?
685
00:39:27,930 --> 00:39:29,062
Huh, sweet thing?
686
00:39:30,455 --> 00:39:31,412
All right.
687
00:39:33,545 --> 00:39:35,242
I knocked over a jewelry store.
688
00:39:36,896 --> 00:39:38,245
Kind of hit a leak.
689
00:39:38,811 --> 00:39:41,117
Oh, God. He reached under
the counter for a piece
690
00:39:41,161 --> 00:39:43,729
and I shot him in the head.
691
00:39:46,906 --> 00:39:47,950
I was high.
692
00:39:49,735 --> 00:39:53,173
And I am guilty, but murder one,
693
00:39:53,869 --> 00:39:56,568
shit, that is manslaughter
at the most.
694
00:39:57,264 --> 00:39:58,483
But this is Texas.
695
00:40:00,093 --> 00:40:03,009
[laughs] You know why they callit capital punishment? Huh?
696
00:40:03,705 --> 00:40:06,229
Hey, you ain't got no capital,
you get punished.
697
00:40:06,273 --> 00:40:08,014
-That's right.
-[inmate] Shit.
698
00:40:08,536 --> 00:40:10,277
Now, don't tell me
that ain't your story too,
699
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,280
because I know that sorry ass,state-appointed lawyer of yours.
700
00:40:13,323 --> 00:40:14,281
Huh?
701
00:40:15,674 --> 00:40:16,849
[inmate] Plumbersain't no different from lawyers.
702
00:40:16,892 --> 00:40:18,328
There's good ones
and there's bad ones.
703
00:40:18,372 --> 00:40:21,636
But you know what, poor folks
always get the bad ones.
704
00:40:22,332 --> 00:40:23,812
Just like my granddaddy
always said,
705
00:40:23,856 --> 00:40:26,554
everybody gets the same
amount of ice,
706
00:40:26,598 --> 00:40:28,774
except rich folks get it
in the summer.
707
00:40:29,035 --> 00:40:32,299
Of course, you could try to
become a cause cรฉlรจbre
708
00:40:32,342 --> 00:40:33,300
or some such shit.
709
00:40:33,561 --> 00:40:35,911
Might even be worth some
publicity.
710
00:40:35,955 --> 00:40:38,566
You can get you one of them
fancy pants, white shoe boys
711
00:40:38,610 --> 00:40:39,785
willing to do it for free.
712
00:40:39,828 --> 00:40:40,699
By the end,
713
00:40:42,222 --> 00:40:43,049
who knows if you got enough timeleft to make a difference.
714
00:40:43,092 --> 00:40:44,746
-Hold up.
-[inmate] What?
715
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:47,270
You saying I can get me
a new lawyer with no money?
716
00:40:47,314 --> 00:40:50,273
Yeah, boy.Now, you just write up a letter
717
00:40:50,317 --> 00:40:54,277
about your situation and send it
to the Texas Equal Justice
718
00:40:54,321 --> 00:40:56,758
and that should do it.
That's initiative.
719
00:40:56,802 --> 00:41:01,110
I-N-I-T-I-A-T-I-V to the E.
720
00:41:01,154 --> 00:41:03,461
T-I-V to the E.
721
00:41:05,419 --> 00:41:07,290
So, you say your previous
counsel,
722
00:41:07,334 --> 00:41:10,206
failed to capitalize
on numerous opportunities
723
00:41:10,250 --> 00:41:12,165
to reach the prosecutions'
witnesses?
724
00:41:12,861 --> 00:41:15,342
Or to present any viable
alternative
725
00:41:15,908 --> 00:41:17,997
to their theories of your
culpability?
726
00:41:20,565 --> 00:41:21,870
He did a shit sorry job.
727
00:41:22,654 --> 00:41:23,655
Sold you down the river.
728
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:27,354
This is your trial transcript.
729
00:41:27,876 --> 00:41:31,576
And just a few books,
might be helpful.
730
00:41:32,359 --> 00:41:33,360
Homework.
731
00:41:34,622 --> 00:41:36,319
I'm preparing
a writ of habeas corpus,
732
00:41:36,363 --> 00:41:38,017
also known as "The great writ."
733
00:41:38,931 --> 00:41:40,541
We're allowed to present
new evidence,
734
00:41:40,585 --> 00:41:42,369
if we can find some, that is.
735
00:41:43,065 --> 00:41:46,895
Do you have any, you know,
resources to help us?
736
00:41:47,374 --> 00:41:49,637
Someone who'll pay
for a private investigator?
737
00:41:49,681 --> 00:41:52,074
Your wife or family?
738
00:41:52,118 --> 00:41:53,946
-No, sir.
-All right.
739
00:41:54,816 --> 00:41:56,209
Well, we'll figure somethingout.
740
00:41:57,863 --> 00:41:59,560
We need to find something
in your trial
741
00:41:59,604 --> 00:42:00,909
that demonstrates negligence.
742
00:42:01,388 --> 00:42:03,259
That's harder to do
once you've been convicted.
743
00:42:03,912 --> 00:42:05,479
I need you to go through
the transcript
744
00:42:06,001 --> 00:42:07,481
and find anything questionable.
745
00:42:07,786 --> 00:42:09,048
Okay, can you do that?
746
00:42:10,528 --> 00:42:12,878
I think I'll squeeze it
into my very hectic schedule.
747
00:42:14,706 --> 00:42:17,535
This writ could be your last
chance.
748
00:42:18,231 --> 00:42:19,537
And a slim one at that.
749
00:42:26,587 --> 00:42:30,548
Hey, Metallica. I can
practically hear you reading.
750
00:42:31,157 --> 00:42:33,768
Give that a rest,let me beat you at Crazy Eights.
751
00:42:33,812 --> 00:42:35,422
This is making my head hurt.
752
00:42:35,465 --> 00:42:36,858
They make it that way
on purpose.
753
00:42:36,902 --> 00:42:38,207
Keep out dummies
like us.
754
00:42:38,251 --> 00:42:40,079
There's some crazy ass words
in here, bro.
755
00:42:40,601 --> 00:42:43,865
-Contemptuous, colloquially.
-[laughs] Spell that shit
756
00:42:43,909 --> 00:42:45,475
-without looking.
-Analogous.
757
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:47,652
-Did I even say it right?
-[chuckles]
758
00:42:48,087 --> 00:42:49,741
-Meticulous.
-Uh-huh.
759
00:42:49,784 --> 00:42:50,916
Interwoven.
760
00:42:52,134 --> 00:42:52,961
Now, I'm gonna drop
some knowledge for you.
761
00:42:54,180 --> 00:42:56,661
That first appeal,
it might not go nowhere.
762
00:42:57,096 --> 00:42:58,140
They ain't gonna overturn
763
00:42:58,184 --> 00:42:59,620
their hunting buddy's
conviction.
764
00:42:59,664 --> 00:43:01,796
You might have a chance
with the Fifth Circuit.
765
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,581
What about this Supreme Court
shit?
766
00:43:03,624 --> 00:43:05,887
You kidding? If it leans
any more to the right
767
00:43:05,931 --> 00:43:06,932
it'll tip over.
768
00:43:08,063 --> 00:43:09,064
These books
keep talking about justice
769
00:43:09,108 --> 00:43:10,196
like it's something real.
770
00:43:11,676 --> 00:43:12,154
[inmate] Man, there ain't
no justice in the system.
771
00:43:13,416 --> 00:43:14,983
And there ain't none in this
life, either.
772
00:43:17,116 --> 00:43:19,118
You know, why was I born black?
773
00:43:20,162 --> 00:43:21,033
Hmm?
774
00:43:21,729 --> 00:43:23,035
Yeah, black as hell.
775
00:43:23,644 --> 00:43:25,777
And why was y'all born poor
and stupid?
776
00:43:25,994 --> 00:43:27,648
Can't I be born poor and smart?
777
00:43:27,692 --> 00:43:29,563
[inmate] No, man,
it's a lie, bro.
778
00:43:30,695 --> 00:43:32,479
What if somebody
really is innocent?
779
00:43:32,522 --> 00:43:33,959
It ain't got nothing to do
with it.
780
00:43:35,787 --> 00:43:37,963
Death penalty's good politics.
781
00:43:39,181 --> 00:43:40,922
As a matter of fact,
in an election year,
782
00:43:40,966 --> 00:43:42,794
they always kill
twice as many of us.
783
00:43:43,316 --> 00:43:44,796
That's politics for your ass.
784
00:43:44,839 --> 00:43:46,406
-For real?
-Yeah.
785
00:43:46,449 --> 00:43:49,844
Your candy ass politicians feellike real men killing folks.
786
00:43:49,888 --> 00:43:51,237
Take your hand, bro.
787
00:44:00,333 --> 00:44:02,857
-[all inmates banging]
-Right on, brother.
788
00:44:03,336 --> 00:44:07,470
[indistinct shouting]
789
00:44:07,514 --> 00:44:08,689
[man] Stay strong!
790
00:44:08,733 --> 00:44:10,038
[commentator on radio]
Second and five,
791
00:44:10,082 --> 00:44:11,997
ball on the 38th.
Hand off to Smith...
792
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,216
-Go!
-Come on, baby. Come on.
793
00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:15,653
-Go!
-Yeah, do it!
794
00:44:15,696 --> 00:44:17,959
-Run! Run, boy!
-Go right there.
795
00:44:18,003 --> 00:44:20,222
-Run, boy!
-That's gone, right there!
796
00:44:20,266 --> 00:44:21,267
Yeah!
797
00:44:23,573 --> 00:44:26,359
[commentator] Dallas Cowboys,
touchdown!
798
00:44:26,402 --> 00:44:28,883
And the Cowboys take the lead
for the first time.
799
00:44:28,927 --> 00:44:31,059
Woo! Heck yeah!
800
00:44:31,103 --> 00:44:32,800
They don't know about
that Southern ground, baby.
801
00:44:32,844 --> 00:44:35,803
-Come on, let's go!
-I got you.
802
00:44:35,847 --> 00:44:37,022
How about them boys?
803
00:44:43,202 --> 00:44:45,726
Hey.
Thanks for covering my shift.
804
00:44:46,031 --> 00:44:47,815
-Yeah, you owe me, bitch.
-Oh, man.
805
00:44:47,859 --> 00:44:50,078
You would've skinned my ass
alive on this Becky party.
806
00:44:50,122 --> 00:44:52,690
We had a clown, a cake,
the whole nine fucking yards.
807
00:44:52,733 --> 00:44:54,735
I was serving ice cream
to little princesses.
808
00:44:54,779 --> 00:44:57,259
-It was pretty good.
-Get out of there, Willingham.
809
00:44:57,303 --> 00:44:59,174
-Yeah, boss.
-Hurry up.
810
00:44:59,218 --> 00:45:00,436
Hurrying up, boss.
811
00:45:01,307 --> 00:45:02,787
I'm in a real hurry.
812
00:45:04,136 --> 00:45:05,877
Real hurry to go do nothing.
813
00:45:07,574 --> 00:45:09,576
You fucking listening to me,
baby burner?
814
00:45:10,446 --> 00:45:12,405
-What? No--
-Huh?
815
00:45:13,232 --> 00:45:14,755
Yes, boss, I was.
816
00:45:14,799 --> 00:45:17,279
-You fucking pervert.-Take it easy, he's on my watch.
817
00:45:17,323 --> 00:45:19,934
I don't give a shit. I don'twant his sicko ears on my kids.
818
00:45:19,978 --> 00:45:22,894
Look at me, why you so fucking
interested in my life, huh?
819
00:45:24,417 --> 00:45:25,723
Come on, man.
Let's go.
820
00:45:32,164 --> 00:45:34,427
Sunday was
my daughter's birthday, too.
821
00:45:42,435 --> 00:45:44,089
I woulda killed
the motherfucker.
822
00:45:45,133 --> 00:45:47,396
What are they gonna do,
put you on death row?
823
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,137
He's just a screw, Ponch.
824
00:45:50,138 --> 00:45:51,923
Probably got picked on
at school.
825
00:45:54,012 --> 00:45:55,448
Says he's got a daughter.
826
00:45:59,278 --> 00:46:00,279
Ponch.
827
00:46:02,107 --> 00:46:03,108
Ponchai.
828
00:46:08,287 --> 00:46:09,462
What's up, Ponch?
829
00:46:13,379 --> 00:46:14,467
I...
830
00:46:16,991 --> 00:46:18,340
I got my date today.
831
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,387
They're moving me
to the observation cell.
832
00:46:22,867 --> 00:46:24,738
Scared I'm gonna kill myself.
833
00:46:25,695 --> 00:46:26,958
Shit, Ponch.
834
00:46:29,830 --> 00:46:31,005
It is what it is.
835
00:46:34,748 --> 00:46:36,663
Shit, I'm thinking...
836
00:46:37,359 --> 00:46:38,317
uh...
837
00:46:39,884 --> 00:46:41,799
two orders of onion rings to gowith my chicken fried steak.
838
00:46:43,409 --> 00:46:45,324
Smothered in Texas pea.
839
00:46:46,368 --> 00:46:48,631
One of them, you know,
strawberry milkshakes.
840
00:46:48,675 --> 00:46:51,591
Shit. I'm gon' throw up all overthe damn place.
841
00:47:13,047 --> 00:47:15,397
Lord, give me the courage
to take my...
842
00:47:22,448 --> 00:47:26,669
No, no, no, let go off me.
Get off me, get off me!
843
00:47:26,713 --> 00:47:28,019
Come on!
844
00:47:28,062 --> 00:47:30,848
It's not my time yet, man!
It's not my time!
845
00:47:31,065 --> 00:47:33,720
No! No!
846
00:47:33,763 --> 00:47:34,852
Not yet!
847
00:47:34,895 --> 00:47:36,549
Let's go, brother.
Let's go, brother.
848
00:47:36,592 --> 00:47:39,030
-I can't do it. No, man.
-Yes, you can, Ponch. You can.
849
00:47:39,073 --> 00:47:40,553
-No, I can't.
-Yes, you can, brother.
850
00:47:40,596 --> 00:47:41,684
Stand tall now, brother.
851
00:47:41,728 --> 00:47:43,208
-No!
-Let's go, Ponch.
852
00:47:43,251 --> 00:47:45,427
They don't get this work.
That's two for you, baby.
853
00:47:45,471 --> 00:47:47,342
-[man] Hey, it's Ponchai!
-[Todd] Ponchai James.
854
00:47:47,386 --> 00:47:49,692
-[man] It's all you, brother!
-Ponchai Ja...
855
00:47:49,736 --> 00:47:51,346
[man 2] Ponchai James!
856
00:47:51,390 --> 00:47:52,434
[man 3] He's the man!
857
00:47:52,478 --> 00:47:53,696
Let's go, Ponch.
858
00:47:53,740 --> 00:47:55,176
-Let's go, brother.
-[man] Ponchai James.
859
00:47:55,220 --> 00:47:56,351
-All right.
-[man] Go, baby.
860
00:47:56,395 --> 00:47:58,527
Ponchai James.
861
00:47:58,571 --> 00:48:00,616
Oh, they gonna remember you,
Ponch.
862
00:48:00,660 --> 00:48:01,966
[man] Ponch!
863
00:48:30,081 --> 00:48:32,431
[country music plays
on car radio]
864
00:48:32,822 --> 00:48:35,956
โช I've been around the block
A time or two โช
865
00:48:36,783 --> 00:48:39,917
โช Done almost everything
A boy can do โช
866
00:48:40,613 --> 00:48:43,616
โช I've done some living
Yeah, I've had fun โช
867
00:48:43,964 --> 00:48:48,142
โช But there is one thing
That I haven't done โช
868
00:48:50,014 --> 00:48:54,018
โช I want to know how
Forever feels... โช
869
00:48:59,632 --> 00:49:00,633
Hey.
870
00:49:01,851 --> 00:49:03,114
You need some help?
871
00:49:05,507 --> 00:49:06,944
So, are you from around here?
872
00:49:11,035 --> 00:49:12,514
Why'd you stop back there?
873
00:49:14,516 --> 00:49:16,475
Oh, I didn't think you were
dangerous.
874
00:49:17,171 --> 00:49:19,217
Figured I could take you
one on one.
875
00:49:22,002 --> 00:49:23,177
You weren't scared?
876
00:49:23,830 --> 00:49:26,137
-What?
-You weren't scared?
877
00:49:27,007 --> 00:49:28,748
Of you? Why?
878
00:49:29,140 --> 00:49:30,141
Why not?
879
00:49:32,665 --> 00:49:34,493
I guess I just didn't think
about it.
880
00:49:35,668 --> 00:49:37,104
[waitress] Thank you so much.
881
00:49:37,148 --> 00:49:38,540
Oh, thank you.
882
00:49:38,584 --> 00:49:40,064
Can't you stay a moment more?
883
00:49:41,021 --> 00:49:43,502
You might be just the kind
of person we're looking for.
884
00:49:44,503 --> 00:49:47,506
Oh, you're scared now?
885
00:49:48,942 --> 00:49:52,859
Well, I'm a little weirded out,to tell you the truth.
886
00:49:53,773 --> 00:49:55,731
-What you want from me?
-Your address.
887
00:49:56,471 --> 00:49:58,821
-What for?
-I wanna send you something.
888
00:49:58,865 --> 00:50:00,519
Oh, you don't need to
send me anything.
889
00:50:00,562 --> 00:50:02,347
Well, I wanna return the favor.
890
00:50:02,782 --> 00:50:05,002
I think you and I were intendedto meet.
891
00:50:06,220 --> 00:50:09,006
So, was she, like,
a crazy person or--
892
00:50:09,049 --> 00:50:10,920
Why did she want
your address?
893
00:50:11,312 --> 00:50:15,403
Well, she said somebody might
wanna write me a letter.
894
00:50:15,708 --> 00:50:17,362
-Who?
-A prisoner.
895
00:50:18,754 --> 00:50:20,495
-What?
-Nothing.
896
00:50:20,539 --> 00:50:23,020
-[Elizabeth] What?
-Just classic Liz.
897
00:50:23,063 --> 00:50:25,761
-Oh, here we go.
-The abandoned kittens,
898
00:50:26,066 --> 00:50:28,155
the homeless family
at the truck stop.
899
00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:29,504
[Elizabeth] Oh, my God.
[chuckles]
900
00:50:29,548 --> 00:50:31,376
The starving African kids
on TV.
901
00:50:31,419 --> 00:50:34,379
-Okay. Gullible, bleeding heart.-Oh, I'm not saying that.
902
00:50:34,422 --> 00:50:35,858
You called me St. Liz
for a decade.
903
00:50:35,902 --> 00:50:37,730
Well, that's not what I think.
904
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:41,560
We're well past lying, George,
aren't we?
905
00:50:43,562 --> 00:50:46,521
So, yesterday, I got a letter.
906
00:50:46,565 --> 00:50:49,263
-Hey, Mom.
-Hey, girl, how was school?
907
00:50:50,569 --> 00:50:51,918
Earth to Julie.
908
00:50:52,745 --> 00:50:55,052
-Sorry?
-Never mind.
909
00:50:55,095 --> 00:50:56,575
-Love you.
-Love you, too.
910
00:50:58,229 --> 00:51:04,061
And it said, "Dear Ms. Gilbert, I got your address from TCADP.
911
00:51:04,104 --> 00:51:07,760
I was told that you might be
willing to correspond
912
00:51:08,369 --> 00:51:10,415
with someone such as myself."
913
00:51:10,458 --> 00:51:12,765
What is that, the TAD,
whatever?
914
00:51:12,808 --> 00:51:13,940
[Elizabeth] TCADP.
915
00:51:15,246 --> 00:51:16,986
Texas Coalition
to Abolish the Death Penalty.
916
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:18,249
How'd you get involved in that?
917
00:51:18,292 --> 00:51:20,686
The lady who asked
for my address.
918
00:51:21,382 --> 00:51:23,645
-You don't listen to me.
-No, I was listening.
919
00:51:23,689 --> 00:51:25,386
-What did he do?
-Never mind.
920
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:27,606
Oh, come on, Liz
Come on.
921
00:51:27,649 --> 00:51:29,042
Why is he on death row?
922
00:51:29,434 --> 00:51:30,609
He...
923
00:51:32,001 --> 00:51:34,221
He burned down his house
with his kids inside.
924
00:51:34,265 --> 00:51:36,093
-That's charming.
-[scoffs]
925
00:51:36,658 --> 00:51:39,270
-All right. Here.
-[coughing]
926
00:51:45,145 --> 00:51:47,626
So, why exactly
are you doing this?
927
00:51:47,669 --> 00:51:49,236
I didn't say I was doing it.
928
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:50,803
But you're thinking about it.
929
00:51:51,151 --> 00:51:55,242
Well, can't I just not know?
I don't know.
930
00:51:55,286 --> 00:51:58,550
Isn't looking after one person
with a death sentence enough?
931
00:52:02,293 --> 00:52:04,208
-[sighs]
-I'm sorry.
932
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:10,562
So, are you and the kids okay?
Money and everything.
933
00:52:11,606 --> 00:52:13,042
-Yeah.
-Well, if you need anything,
934
00:52:13,086 --> 00:52:15,349
-just...
-Your check comes on time.
935
00:52:16,872 --> 00:52:18,526
And we talked all that out.
936
00:52:20,746 --> 00:52:22,704
-[sighs]
-I failed you, Liz.
937
00:52:23,836 --> 00:52:25,316
And yet, you're here for me.
938
00:52:26,534 --> 00:52:28,406
If thing's were the other way
around,
939
00:52:29,058 --> 00:52:30,582
would I be there for you?
940
00:52:32,845 --> 00:52:34,760
Do we get off that sow
or just admit the truth?
941
00:52:38,851 --> 00:52:39,852
How are you...
942
00:52:41,332 --> 00:52:42,202
really?
943
00:52:49,514 --> 00:52:51,516
-Mama, you forgot the milk.
-[sighs]
944
00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:53,648
-I'm going to the market later.-Okay.
945
00:52:53,692 --> 00:52:55,998
-Mom, what are reading there?
-Letter from a guy in jail
946
00:52:56,042 --> 00:52:57,130
-who kills babies.
-Julie.
947
00:52:58,610 --> 00:52:59,872
What, are you writing
a play about him or something?
948
00:52:59,915 --> 00:53:02,483
No, sweetie, there's a man
who is in prison--
949
00:53:02,527 --> 00:53:04,572
-He wants Mama to visit him.
-Seriously?
950
00:53:05,269 --> 00:53:07,749
A lot of people visit inmates,
and I'm not saying that I'm--
951
00:53:07,793 --> 00:53:09,882
You know they're gonna poison
him to death, right?
952
00:53:09,925 --> 00:53:12,014
-He deserves it.
-You got somewhere to be,
953
00:53:12,058 --> 00:53:13,842
like, school, and maybe
clean your mess up?
954
00:53:13,886 --> 00:53:15,322
Mama, I know
what the death penalty is--
955
00:53:15,366 --> 00:53:16,932
I can't believe you're actuallythinking about
956
00:53:16,976 --> 00:53:17,977
visiting a murderer.
957
00:53:18,020 --> 00:53:19,108
-I didn't say--
-That is so gross.
958
00:53:19,152 --> 00:53:20,109
I didn't say he was innocent.
959
00:53:21,546 --> 00:53:22,590
-Okay, then what are you saying?-He's a human being.
960
00:53:23,809 --> 00:53:25,419
Okay, I'm late.
Dave's gonna drop me.
961
00:53:25,463 --> 00:53:26,986
So, are you seeing your dad,
later?
962
00:53:27,421 --> 00:53:28,596
No, the Gremlins will be there.
963
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,729
Well, they are your
brother and sister.
964
00:53:32,252 --> 00:53:33,210
What?
965
00:53:33,732 --> 00:53:34,950
Fine. I'll go.
966
00:53:35,429 --> 00:53:36,778
All right.
Am I getting you later?
967
00:53:36,822 --> 00:53:38,258
[Julie] No,
Dave's gonna drive me.
968
00:53:38,302 --> 00:53:39,868
Well, will you call me,
please, miss?
969
00:53:39,912 --> 00:53:41,174
Mom, I got soccer practice
till 6:00
970
00:53:41,218 --> 00:53:42,741
-and I'm taking the bus.
-Okay, well I thought
971
00:53:42,784 --> 00:53:43,959
-I was getting you.
-[Andrew] Bye.
972
00:53:44,003 --> 00:53:45,178
What about oatmeal?
973
00:53:48,921 --> 00:53:51,445
[Todd] Death row inmates
aren't allowed to associate
974
00:53:51,489 --> 00:53:53,099
with the general population.
975
00:53:54,056 --> 00:53:56,755
We have no contact at all
with the outside.
976
00:53:56,798 --> 00:53:59,236
No one in the whole world knows I exist.
977
00:53:59,758 --> 00:54:02,239
I feel like I'm slowly being
erased.
978
00:54:04,284 --> 00:54:05,633
Please excuse my writing,
979
00:54:06,678 --> 00:54:08,680
I'm learning to express myself better.
980
00:54:09,898 --> 00:54:11,900
I've added your name
to my visitor's list
981
00:54:11,944 --> 00:54:13,424
in case you
decide to come.
982
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,949
Meantime, I hope your
life turns forever forward.
983
00:54:17,645 --> 00:54:19,604
Yours, Cameron Todd Willingham.
984
00:54:33,792 --> 00:54:35,707
[indistinct chatter]
985
00:54:35,968 --> 00:54:37,883
[scanner buzzing]
986
00:54:40,189 --> 00:54:42,975
Hello, sir, I'm here to see
Cameron Todd Willingham.
987
00:54:49,851 --> 00:54:50,983
Come, miss.
988
00:55:15,268 --> 00:55:17,183
Thank you for coming,
Mrs. Gilbert.
989
00:55:17,879 --> 00:55:19,054
It's really nice to meet you.
990
00:55:19,098 --> 00:55:21,013
Oh, nice to meet you too,
Cameron.
991
00:55:21,405 --> 00:55:22,710
Folks call me Todd.
992
00:55:23,494 --> 00:55:25,322
Oh, yeah? Todd.
993
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:28,020
I really appreciate you
coming all this way.
994
00:55:29,891 --> 00:55:31,850
-You're in Houston, right?
-Yeah.
995
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:35,157
-How was the drive?
-Oh, it was fine.
996
00:55:35,201 --> 00:55:39,510
Well, some traffic, you know,
Houston Freeway has become...
997
00:55:41,555 --> 00:55:42,687
crazy.
998
00:55:44,689 --> 00:55:48,127
You know, you're my first
visitor in a long time.
999
00:55:48,736 --> 00:55:49,737
Am I?
1000
00:55:51,086 --> 00:55:52,218
Well, good.
1001
00:55:53,088 --> 00:55:55,874
I guess. And why is that?
1002
00:55:58,093 --> 00:56:02,446
-I...
-I mean, your wife comes?
1003
00:56:03,229 --> 00:56:05,187
No, Stacy and me
ain't together no more.
1004
00:56:05,231 --> 00:56:06,232
Oh...
1005
00:56:07,015 --> 00:56:09,104
I guess I understand,
it's just...
1006
00:56:11,890 --> 00:56:13,370
I miss her, is all.
1007
00:56:14,980 --> 00:56:16,068
Sorry.
1008
00:56:17,591 --> 00:56:19,071
How about your folks?
1009
00:56:19,985 --> 00:56:21,421
They're in Oklahoma, ma'am.
1010
00:56:22,727 --> 00:56:24,163
It's 200 miles each way.
1011
00:56:26,426 --> 00:56:27,732
And my folks is old.
1012
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:29,777
And my mom's ailing, so...
1013
00:56:31,953 --> 00:56:33,259
They come when they can.
1014
00:56:35,479 --> 00:56:38,133
Well, how about you tell me
about...
1015
00:56:39,483 --> 00:56:42,268
your life here,
what it's like or...
1016
00:56:42,311 --> 00:56:45,314
-Not much to tell, really.
-Mm, right.
1017
00:56:47,099 --> 00:56:49,754
Any comforts or, I don't know?
1018
00:56:50,494 --> 00:56:51,582
In jail?
1019
00:56:52,626 --> 00:56:53,758
No, ma'am.
1020
00:56:56,804 --> 00:57:00,373
I'm sorry, Todd.
I don't know-- I don't know...
1021
00:57:01,113 --> 00:57:03,332
what to ask or how to...
1022
00:57:04,943 --> 00:57:10,078
If I-- If I--
If I make it harder to talk.
1023
00:57:10,122 --> 00:57:15,127
No, ma'am. How about you?Tell me about the outside world.
1024
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,609
Maybe I can get out
of this place for a while.
1025
00:57:19,218 --> 00:57:22,439
Oh, all right, sure.
1026
00:57:22,482 --> 00:57:25,746
But maybe you call me Elizabeth,because when you say ma'am,
1027
00:57:25,790 --> 00:57:28,053
it makes me feel like
you're talking to my mama.
1028
00:57:30,969 --> 00:57:32,492
-Elizabeth.
-Okay.
1029
00:57:32,971 --> 00:57:36,540
Well, um... let's see.
1030
00:57:37,671 --> 00:57:40,718
-You married?
-Me? Divorced, actually.
1031
00:57:41,196 --> 00:57:42,633
-Kids?
-Two.
1032
00:57:43,808 --> 00:57:45,331
Andrew and Julie.
1033
00:57:45,853 --> 00:57:47,464
-Boy and a girl.
-Yeah.
1034
00:57:47,507 --> 00:57:49,988
-That's nice.
-Yeah, yeah.
1035
00:57:52,425 --> 00:57:55,341
My big girl, Amber,
she'd be 11 by now.
1036
00:57:58,562 --> 00:58:00,825
And Karmen and Kameron,
they'd be nine.
1037
00:58:01,565 --> 00:58:02,740
They was twins.
1038
00:58:04,263 --> 00:58:06,352
Twins? Oof!
1039
00:58:06,874 --> 00:58:09,137
-That's something, huh?
-Yes, ma'am.
1040
00:58:09,181 --> 00:58:10,182
Elizabeth.
1041
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,968
Oh, you ever tried
diapering two at once?
1042
00:58:14,012 --> 00:58:15,187
-No.
-Oo-ee.
1043
00:58:15,883 --> 00:58:17,885
Stacy used to say it was like
trying to
1044
00:58:17,929 --> 00:58:19,887
grab a hold of two little
greased piggies
1045
00:58:19,931 --> 00:58:21,410
at the state fair.
1046
00:58:31,029 --> 00:58:33,727
Oh, they was the most beautifulbabies in the whole world.
1047
00:58:39,472 --> 00:58:42,910
They're all different,
but cut from the same cloth.
1048
00:58:44,912 --> 00:58:46,914
Now, Kameron, she was smart.
1049
00:58:46,958 --> 00:58:49,482
She had, like,
a routine that she stuck to.
1050
00:58:50,439 --> 00:58:52,833
And if anybody disturbed it,
and she didn't like it,
1051
00:58:52,877 --> 00:58:54,835
she would let the whole of Texasknow about it.
1052
00:58:54,879 --> 00:58:57,403
Karmen, she was--
She was more like me.
1053
00:58:57,969 --> 00:59:00,275
And Amber, she was a great
big sister.
1054
00:59:00,319 --> 00:59:03,714
She went from redecorating
her sister's room to...
1055
00:59:04,932 --> 00:59:07,413
turning around to me one time,and saying, "Daddy,
1056
00:59:07,761 --> 00:59:11,069
I love the new babies, but whenare they going home now?"
1057
00:59:11,112 --> 00:59:12,244
[Elizabeth chuckles]
1058
00:59:22,907 --> 00:59:25,039
Gosh, I tell you
I wanna hear about the world
1059
00:59:25,083 --> 00:59:26,737
and I end up doing
all the talking.
1060
00:59:27,085 --> 00:59:28,434
Oh, that's fine.
1061
00:59:29,827 --> 00:59:32,264
Well, I'm sorry.I guess, it's just been a while.
1062
00:59:33,308 --> 00:59:34,788
How long has it been?
1063
00:59:35,484 --> 00:59:38,749
-Eight years.
-Hey.
1064
00:59:41,273 --> 00:59:43,318
We're pretty much
at the end of the line now.
1065
00:59:46,191 --> 00:59:47,496
You scared, Todd?
1066
00:59:48,323 --> 00:59:50,674
I did not kill my own children,Elizabeth.
1067
00:59:52,371 --> 00:59:53,372
I swear.
1068
00:59:54,765 --> 00:59:57,115
I love them more
than I love life itself.
1069
00:59:57,550 --> 00:59:59,465
-[door rattles]
-[officer] Time's up.
1070
01:00:20,138 --> 01:00:23,750
It was weird.
He was gentle and soft spoken.
1071
01:00:23,794 --> 01:00:25,926
Oh, that's because he wants to
get in your pants.
1072
01:00:25,970 --> 01:00:27,754
-You know that's true.
-That's rude.
1073
01:00:27,798 --> 01:00:30,496
And he was a devil worshiper
to boot!
1074
01:00:30,539 --> 01:00:31,628
No!
1075
01:00:31,671 --> 01:00:34,326
-No.-No, I heard it right on the TV.
1076
01:00:34,761 --> 01:00:38,722
He burned up those babiesas a sacrifice to Satan himself.
1077
01:00:39,070 --> 01:00:41,159
[Elizabeth] Seriously? Girls,
you're getting out of control.
1078
01:00:41,202 --> 01:00:43,291
If anybody were to come near
my babies,
1079
01:00:43,335 --> 01:00:45,990
I got a .38 Colt by my bedside
with their name on it.
1080
01:00:46,033 --> 01:00:48,296
The idea of you
with your loaded .38
1081
01:00:48,340 --> 01:00:50,211
makes me wanna move out
of the neighborhood.
1082
01:00:50,255 --> 01:00:51,952
[chuckling, indistinct chatter]
1083
01:00:51,996 --> 01:00:53,258
Let's get started.
1084
01:00:54,825 --> 01:00:56,391
Are you gonna use some of this
for your new play, as if...
1085
01:00:56,435 --> 01:00:58,698
-Oh, I don't know.
-Fascinating.
1086
01:00:58,742 --> 01:01:02,484
Liz, wha-- What if somebodywas trying to hurt your babies?
1087
01:01:02,528 --> 01:01:03,703
I'd do anything.
1088
01:01:03,747 --> 01:01:05,357
-See?
-That's not the point.
1089
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,968
-Of course, it is.
-It's still taking a life.
1090
01:01:08,012 --> 01:01:09,927
A monster
who don't deserve to live.
1091
01:01:10,188 --> 01:01:11,798
It's just revenge.
1092
01:01:11,842 --> 01:01:15,193
I mean, are we still there?
Isn't that a primitive idea?
1093
01:01:15,541 --> 01:01:18,413
No. It's called restitution.
1094
01:01:18,457 --> 01:01:20,024
Let the punishment
fit the crime.
1095
01:01:20,372 --> 01:01:22,679
Okay, well, you better kill
your ex-husband.
1096
01:01:22,722 --> 01:01:24,289
Oh, wouldn't that be great?
1097
01:01:26,204 --> 01:01:29,598
Liz, don't become one of those
sad women we hear about,
1098
01:01:29,642 --> 01:01:32,689
-who falls in love with--
-Me?
1099
01:01:32,732 --> 01:01:33,733
I'm just saying.
1100
01:01:35,213 --> 01:01:37,781
Thank you so much for
your interest in my love life.
1101
01:01:38,042 --> 01:01:40,392
But don't worry,even someone as desperate as me
1102
01:01:40,435 --> 01:01:42,873
knows that a death row romance
doesn't have a future.
1103
01:01:42,916 --> 01:01:45,919
[chuckling, chattering]
1104
01:01:47,747 --> 01:01:48,705
Hey.
1105
01:02:02,066 --> 01:02:03,154
Dad died.
1106
01:02:10,683 --> 01:02:14,165
[crickets chirping]
1107
01:02:22,434 --> 01:02:23,609
[Todd] Dear Elizabeth,
1108
01:02:25,132 --> 01:02:26,481
I didn't get a chance to
express my deep gratitude
1109
01:02:26,525 --> 01:02:27,526
for your visit.
1110
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:30,355
It lifted my spirits for days.
1111
01:02:35,795 --> 01:02:36,665
Sir?
1112
01:02:49,940 --> 01:02:51,506
I used to be full of hate.
1113
01:02:51,898 --> 01:02:54,292
Hate for the judge,
hate for the jury.
1114
01:02:54,553 --> 01:02:56,076
Hate for everyone
who mistreated
1115
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:57,512
me and wanted me dead.
1116
01:02:58,687 --> 01:03:00,254
I guess after all this time,
1117
01:03:00,298 --> 01:03:02,561
the hate just kinda
burned out of me.
1118
01:03:03,388 --> 01:03:06,478
I've been working hard
on my case and...
1119
01:03:06,826 --> 01:03:08,088
it's funny,
1120
01:03:08,132 --> 01:03:10,438
I'm no longer the same dumb
24-year-old
1121
01:03:10,482 --> 01:03:12,179
who lost his place
in the world...
1122
01:03:14,747 --> 01:03:16,836
and have achieved more learning within these walls
1123
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:18,359
than I ever did in school.
1124
01:03:21,972 --> 01:03:24,409
I can remember every word
of our conversation.
1125
01:03:25,366 --> 01:03:27,804
You're the kind of person I never had the chance to meet.
1126
01:03:28,239 --> 01:03:29,327
An artist,
1127
01:03:30,850 --> 01:03:32,983
filled with intellectual ideas, and worldly wisdom.
1128
01:03:34,027 --> 01:03:37,335
"For me, it was more than
a connection to a world.
1129
01:03:37,378 --> 01:03:38,945
It brought my heart to laugh,
1130
01:03:38,989 --> 01:03:42,383
and created an omni-potent glowaround my being."
1131
01:03:43,384 --> 01:03:45,125
Sounds like he's prepping
for the SATs.
1132
01:03:45,169 --> 01:03:47,562
Mm-hmm. Well, first of all,
it's omnipotent.
1133
01:03:48,041 --> 01:03:51,088
And secondly, maybe he's just
trying to improve himself.
1134
01:03:52,045 --> 01:03:55,005
I mean, there's other people weknow who might wanna, like,
1135
01:03:55,353 --> 01:03:58,051
-study for the SATs.
-I'm studying!
1136
01:04:02,403 --> 01:04:03,752
You wanna visit him again?
1137
01:04:04,753 --> 01:04:07,191
Is this like a... a thing?
1138
01:04:08,714 --> 01:04:09,715
I might.
1139
01:04:10,542 --> 01:04:11,412
Why?
1140
01:04:13,762 --> 01:04:15,025
I don't know, honey.
1141
01:04:18,376 --> 01:04:21,814
You know, when you just wanna
do something...
1142
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:26,601
help...
1143
01:04:28,212 --> 01:04:29,953
somebody who's feeling...
1144
01:04:31,737 --> 01:04:33,304
so much, you know?
1145
01:04:35,828 --> 01:04:39,005
I don't know what I'm saying.
Am I making any sense?
1146
01:04:39,049 --> 01:04:40,050
Honestly...
1147
01:04:41,399 --> 01:04:42,400
not really.
1148
01:05:07,860 --> 01:05:09,949
I cannot believe you came back.
1149
01:05:09,993 --> 01:05:11,081
I sure did.
1150
01:05:12,082 --> 01:05:13,257
Look at you.
1151
01:05:13,997 --> 01:05:14,998
So pretty.
1152
01:05:15,259 --> 01:05:16,956
You don't have to say that,
Todd.
1153
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:18,131
Are you kidding me?
1154
01:05:19,785 --> 01:05:21,308
Look at your hair, your eyes,your dress, everything's just...
1155
01:05:21,352 --> 01:05:23,658
mm-mm, singin' to me.
1156
01:05:24,007 --> 01:05:25,008
Okay.
1157
01:05:26,052 --> 01:05:28,533
Stand up for me.
Just give me a twirl.
1158
01:05:28,837 --> 01:05:30,883
-What?
-Come on, now. Just once.
1159
01:05:32,145 --> 01:05:33,277
Now, come on.
1160
01:05:33,625 --> 01:05:34,626
No.
1161
01:05:37,150 --> 01:05:38,195
How you been?
1162
01:05:39,022 --> 01:05:41,850
Liz, last time you came,
1163
01:05:41,894 --> 01:05:43,635
I was the one
who did all the talking.
1164
01:05:43,983 --> 01:05:46,072
How are the kids?
Julie and Andrew, right?
1165
01:05:46,116 --> 01:05:47,117
Yeah.
1166
01:05:48,031 --> 01:05:49,119
They're okay.
1167
01:05:49,815 --> 01:05:51,425
Hmm. I told you their ages?
1168
01:05:51,469 --> 01:05:52,513
No.
1169
01:05:52,557 --> 01:05:54,646
-Um, Julie is 17.
-Uh-oh.
1170
01:05:54,689 --> 01:05:55,690
Super smart.
1171
01:05:55,995 --> 01:05:58,215
She's a great kid, but...
1172
01:05:58,824 --> 01:06:00,782
she's a pain in my butt
sometimes.
1173
01:06:00,826 --> 01:06:03,220
-[chuckles]
-Oh, my Lord.
1174
01:06:03,655 --> 01:06:06,005
Well, you wouldn't wanna know mewhen I was 17.
1175
01:06:06,049 --> 01:06:08,660
-Believe me. Uh-uh.
-Oh, no kidding?
1176
01:06:10,140 --> 01:06:12,794
-And Andrew?
-Best freckles known to man.
1177
01:06:12,838 --> 01:06:14,883
-Is he breaking hearts?
-On the cusp.
1178
01:06:14,927 --> 01:06:16,146
They get to see their daddy
much?
1179
01:06:19,540 --> 01:06:20,541
What's wrong?
1180
01:06:21,847 --> 01:06:23,675
Their dad died
a couple of weeks ago.
1181
01:06:24,328 --> 01:06:25,503
Oh, I'm sorry.
1182
01:06:26,765 --> 01:06:28,767
I'm sorry to hear
about your loss.
1183
01:06:30,247 --> 01:06:33,032
I guess, we both know what it isto lose something now.
1184
01:06:38,429 --> 01:06:40,909
I wrote a poem about my babies.It's pretty bad.
1185
01:06:41,214 --> 01:06:42,476
You wanna hear it?
1186
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:43,608
Sure, of course.
1187
01:06:47,351 --> 01:06:48,352
It's bad.
1188
01:06:50,789 --> 01:06:53,705
"I know their beauty flows
deep within.
1189
01:06:54,836 --> 01:06:57,361
And all that's broken
their love will mend.
1190
01:06:58,231 --> 01:07:00,625
This beauty of theirs
is so unique.
1191
01:07:01,495 --> 01:07:04,281
It's much more valuable
than priceless antiques."
1192
01:07:05,586 --> 01:07:06,587
Nice.
1193
01:07:07,806 --> 01:07:10,896
-Fucking terrible, huh?
-[laughs]
1194
01:07:11,244 --> 01:07:14,073
It's terrible. [laughs]
1195
01:07:16,815 --> 01:07:19,339
[man over PA] All sections,
call count, five minutes,
1196
01:07:19,383 --> 01:07:20,906
clear your ranks,
clear the cages.
1197
01:07:20,949 --> 01:07:21,950
[buzzer sounds]
1198
01:07:25,563 --> 01:07:27,217
You're a Cowboys fan, right?
1199
01:07:28,087 --> 01:07:29,045
Yeah.
1200
01:07:30,350 --> 01:07:32,222
You think Aikman and Irving
have still got it?
1201
01:07:32,744 --> 01:07:34,920
You almost done?It's fucking freezing out here.
1202
01:07:35,529 --> 01:07:37,401
Figured out why
you're always pissed.
1203
01:07:37,966 --> 01:07:39,185
Yeah, why's that?
1204
01:07:39,229 --> 01:07:41,622
Because you're a prisoner here,too, like me.
1205
01:07:41,666 --> 01:07:43,276
You ain't bottom of the pile.
1206
01:07:43,929 --> 01:07:45,670
You ain't top of the pile,
neither.
1207
01:07:46,366 --> 01:07:47,628
You're just kinda
middle of the pile.
1208
01:07:47,672 --> 01:07:50,457
-[laughs]
-Now, in order to feel like
1209
01:07:50,501 --> 01:07:51,893
you're going somewhere
in the world,
1210
01:07:51,937 --> 01:07:53,939
you got to stand on
the likes of me.
1211
01:07:55,854 --> 01:07:57,203
But don't really get you
anywhere,
1212
01:07:57,247 --> 01:07:58,639
you just kinda stay
in the middle.
1213
01:07:58,683 --> 01:07:59,771
Yeah?
1214
01:07:59,814 --> 01:08:01,294
You my fucking therapist now?
1215
01:08:04,036 --> 01:08:06,256
I just got a lot of time
on my hands is all.
1216
01:08:09,998 --> 01:08:12,827
You ever read
Man's Search for Meaning?
1217
01:08:14,612 --> 01:08:15,830
I was absent that day.
1218
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:17,832
It's by Viktor E. Frankl.
1219
01:08:20,139 --> 01:08:22,446
-Okay.-Yeah, the guy basically says...
1220
01:08:23,142 --> 01:08:25,492
"To live is to suffer.
1221
01:08:27,451 --> 01:08:30,149
And to survive, you got to findmeaning in the suffering."
1222
01:08:33,500 --> 01:08:35,154
I made a promise to my daughter.
1223
01:08:37,025 --> 01:08:38,636
She visits me sometimes.
1224
01:08:41,987 --> 01:08:43,467
You got a daughter too, right?
1225
01:08:46,644 --> 01:08:47,819
What's her name again?
1226
01:08:48,994 --> 01:08:49,995
Becky.
1227
01:08:50,996 --> 01:08:52,128
Let's go inside.
1228
01:08:57,307 --> 01:08:58,656
No need to cuff your bitch ass.
1229
01:08:58,699 --> 01:09:00,440
Are you sure?I'm feeling dangerous, brother.
1230
01:09:00,484 --> 01:09:02,486
-Yeah, you ain't got shit.
-[Todd laughs]
1231
01:09:04,096 --> 01:09:05,228
[Todd] How you been?
1232
01:09:07,882 --> 01:09:08,883
Yeah?
1233
01:09:11,321 --> 01:09:12,670
Been doing much?
1234
01:09:17,196 --> 01:09:18,328
This is you.
1235
01:09:20,895 --> 01:09:22,854
Don't really look like you,
though, huh?
1236
01:09:25,248 --> 01:09:27,075
I might have to give her
a haircut.
1237
01:09:28,338 --> 01:09:29,687
Are you seeing your sisters?
1238
01:09:30,688 --> 01:09:31,689
They good?
1239
01:09:33,386 --> 01:09:34,692
Are you mad at me?
1240
01:09:37,260 --> 01:09:38,522
Are you mad at me?
1241
01:09:43,527 --> 01:09:44,615
You still see them?
1242
01:09:45,790 --> 01:09:47,444
Yeah, you taking care of them?
1243
01:09:48,271 --> 01:09:49,272
Yeah?
1244
01:09:51,056 --> 01:09:52,710
You gonna tell them
you saw Daddy?
1245
01:09:54,233 --> 01:09:55,713
You gonna tell them I'm sorry?
1246
01:10:02,937 --> 01:10:04,939
You know I didn't do it,
don't you?
1247
01:10:14,645 --> 01:10:16,037
[Elizabeth] Well, Todd,
1248
01:10:16,081 --> 01:10:18,388
you want to hear
about my life, so here goes.
1249
01:10:19,084 --> 01:10:20,868
You probably didn't want this
much detail,
1250
01:10:20,912 --> 01:10:23,262
but you did say
you wanted to know everything.
1251
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:26,961
Mornings are tough.
1252
01:10:27,658 --> 01:10:28,659
Morning.
1253
01:10:30,095 --> 01:10:30,835
Teenagers think
they can stay up all night.
1254
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:32,619
Then they seemed
1255
01:10:32,663 --> 01:10:33,968
surprised when they have
to wake up for school.
1256
01:10:36,971 --> 01:10:38,799
I probably coddle
them too much,
1257
01:10:38,843 --> 01:10:41,106
but that's my
right as a mother.
1258
01:10:42,803 --> 01:10:44,240
Well, it's just me now.
1259
01:10:44,631 --> 01:10:46,764
I guess I want them to know
I'm there for them.
1260
01:10:48,679 --> 01:10:52,378
Hey, hey, didn't you need me
to sign
1261
01:10:52,422 --> 01:10:54,467
that signature page
for you?
1262
01:10:54,772 --> 01:10:55,860
But I tell you...
1263
01:10:56,469 --> 01:10:58,558
sometimes that hour between
1264
01:10:58,602 --> 01:11:00,604
6:00 and 7:00 in the morning
1265
01:11:00,995 --> 01:11:02,606
feels about five minutes long.
1266
01:11:02,954 --> 01:11:05,304
-Lunch. Is that enough, though?-Yeah.
1267
01:11:05,348 --> 01:11:07,306
-Give me a hug.
-Bye, Mama. Love you.
1268
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:08,394
Love you.
1269
01:11:08,438 --> 01:11:09,961
-Love you.
-Bye, now. Eat today.
1270
01:11:10,004 --> 01:11:13,443
Most days I try to write.
Recently, not so much.
1271
01:11:20,014 --> 01:11:21,886
As good as my life is...
1272
01:11:22,669 --> 01:11:24,323
I can't help think
of all the plans I had
1273
01:11:24,367 --> 01:11:25,672
that never happened.
1274
01:11:27,848 --> 01:11:30,851
I know that sounds spoiled
to someone in your situation.
1275
01:11:31,330 --> 01:11:33,811
But you said
you want the truth.
1276
01:11:35,029 --> 01:11:37,641
[Todd] Dear Elizabeth,
I cannot thank you enough
1277
01:11:37,684 --> 01:11:40,252
for sharing your thoughts
and feelings with me.
1278
01:11:40,861 --> 01:11:42,602
I never really looked deeply
into myself
1279
01:11:42,646 --> 01:11:43,995
before we started writing...
1280
01:11:44,038 --> 01:11:45,301
[Elizabeth] Dear Todd,
I got your drawing.
1281
01:11:46,084 --> 01:11:47,607
That is so beautiful.
1282
01:11:47,651 --> 01:11:49,174
[Todd] You say you wanna know
what my life is like.
1283
01:11:49,217 --> 01:11:53,091
Well, try staying in your
kitchen for an entire day.
1284
01:11:53,874 --> 01:11:55,789
Then think about
what it'd be like
1285
01:11:55,833 --> 01:11:57,530
to be there
for the rest of your life.
1286
01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:01,969
Regular prisoners talk
about doing time,
1287
01:12:02,013 --> 01:12:04,276
but on the row,
there is no time.
1288
01:12:06,017 --> 01:12:08,672
The clock stopped moving
the minute we were sentenced.
1289
01:12:23,948 --> 01:12:25,558
People say
we should all live life
1290
01:12:25,602 --> 01:12:27,865
like it could be taken away
at any moment.
1291
01:12:29,693 --> 01:12:32,043
Death catches most people
unawares.
1292
01:12:32,435 --> 01:12:34,393
You're asleep, or your body
shuts down,
1293
01:12:34,437 --> 01:12:35,829
or an accident happens,
1294
01:12:35,873 --> 01:12:38,745
but to live every moment,
waiting,
1295
01:12:38,789 --> 01:12:41,879
knowing that they could decide
to kill you at any moment...
1296
01:12:43,402 --> 01:12:45,273
can't help picturing
the dents on the door
1297
01:12:45,317 --> 01:12:47,798
where others have kicked
and fought as they went in.
1298
01:12:59,810 --> 01:13:01,377
[man] Are you sure you want this one?
1299
01:13:01,420 --> 01:13:03,944
It's kind of a snooze, and jury
was only out for an hour.
1300
01:13:03,988 --> 01:13:05,032
I got some better ones.
1301
01:13:05,076 --> 01:13:06,556
-Just this one, please.
-All right.
1302
01:13:06,599 --> 01:13:09,080
-Thanks, sir.
-You're welcome. Next.
1303
01:13:09,907 --> 01:13:10,777
[woman] Hey.
1304
01:13:15,913 --> 01:13:17,393
He wanted to get in so bad,
1305
01:13:17,436 --> 01:13:19,743
he broke the windows
with a tire iron,
1306
01:13:20,091 --> 01:13:22,572
but the fire just blew that
glass back at him.
1307
01:13:24,487 --> 01:13:26,140
I've never seen a man
cry so hard.
1308
01:13:30,449 --> 01:13:33,104
He didn't try to save those
kids until the cops showed up.
1309
01:13:33,365 --> 01:13:36,412
And it was like
he was putting on a show.
1310
01:13:38,849 --> 01:13:41,155
Don't surprise me,
he started that fire.
1311
01:13:42,809 --> 01:13:44,855
[Mr. Jackson]
This so-called art
1312
01:13:45,116 --> 01:13:47,684
hung above
Todd Willingham's bed.
1313
01:13:47,945 --> 01:13:50,338
Dr. Grigson,
what can you tell us about it?
1314
01:13:51,339 --> 01:13:54,647
In my experience, such images
of death and violence
1315
01:13:54,691 --> 01:13:57,781
are often associated
with cultive type activities.
1316
01:13:58,129 --> 01:14:00,740
It is my conclusion
that Todd Willingham
1317
01:14:00,784 --> 01:14:04,222
is a severe sociopath
with violent tendencies.
1318
01:14:05,049 --> 01:14:07,181
[Mr. Jackson] Is it true
that the police were called
1319
01:14:07,225 --> 01:14:09,575
to your home
to control a situation
1320
01:14:09,619 --> 01:14:12,273
where Todd Willingham was
intoxicated,
1321
01:14:12,317 --> 01:14:16,190
and calling you a
"whore, bitch, and slut"?
1322
01:14:16,539 --> 01:14:19,106
Todd would do never do anythingto hurt those babies.
1323
01:14:19,150 --> 01:14:21,108
He loved those babies
with all his heart.
1324
01:14:21,152 --> 01:14:23,023
He treated those babies
better than anybody else did.
1325
01:14:23,371 --> 01:14:24,372
Mr. Horton?
1326
01:14:24,721 --> 01:14:26,157
No questions, Your Honor.
1327
01:14:36,428 --> 01:14:38,952
Thank you for seeing me,
Mr. Horton.
1328
01:14:38,996 --> 01:14:40,780
Well, you can thank my girl,
Ronda.
1329
01:14:40,824 --> 01:14:42,521
-Yeah?
-She told me I had to see you,
1330
01:14:42,565 --> 01:14:44,131
so you would stop pestering her.
1331
01:14:44,175 --> 01:14:46,525
Oh, well, I just wanted to get
your thoughts
1332
01:14:46,569 --> 01:14:47,961
on Todd Willingham.
1333
01:14:48,005 --> 01:14:49,528
So, you knew him before?
1334
01:14:50,181 --> 01:14:51,182
Oh, yeah.
1335
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:54,272
I guess everybody in town
knew him, huh?
1336
01:14:54,707 --> 01:14:56,535
Cross the street to stay out
of the way is more like it.
1337
01:14:57,014 --> 01:14:58,494
Nothing but trouble, that boy.
1338
01:14:59,277 --> 01:15:00,496
Tell you a little story.
1339
01:15:01,845 --> 01:15:03,847
Night after
Todd's children died,
1340
01:15:04,891 --> 01:15:07,024
the whole town had a gathering
to raise money
1341
01:15:07,372 --> 01:15:08,286
for their funeral.
1342
01:15:09,592 --> 01:15:11,028
He acted like
he'd just won the lottery.
1343
01:15:11,071 --> 01:15:13,334
-[cheering]
-Drinking, playing darts.
1344
01:15:13,378 --> 01:15:15,032
Playing and whooping it up.
1345
01:15:15,075 --> 01:15:17,556
And just because someone acts
inappropriately
1346
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,080
doesn't mean they're a murderer,though, right?
1347
01:15:21,604 --> 01:15:22,561
You're right.
1348
01:15:24,215 --> 01:15:27,044
What's inappropriate
is taking his part.
1349
01:15:27,914 --> 01:15:29,873
Now, you seem like an educated
woman.
1350
01:15:29,916 --> 01:15:34,268
He had the motive, he had themeans, the science backed it up.
1351
01:15:34,921 --> 01:15:37,141
What makes you so cock-sure
he's innocent?
1352
01:15:38,577 --> 01:15:40,927
Honestly, I don't know
if he's innocent or not.
1353
01:15:41,406 --> 01:15:43,582
The question is,
did he get a fair trial?
1354
01:15:43,626 --> 01:15:44,888
Let me guess.
1355
01:15:44,931 --> 01:15:46,324
You've seen Todd
and he charmed you.
1356
01:15:47,194 --> 01:15:49,545
He was quite the ladies' man
back in Corsicana.
1357
01:15:49,588 --> 01:15:51,068
I wouldn't know anything
about that.
1358
01:15:51,938 --> 01:15:54,245
But what I do know,
is that you failed
1359
01:15:54,288 --> 01:15:56,726
to challenge witnesses
that changed their story.
1360
01:15:56,769 --> 01:15:58,771
You failed to reach out
to Todd's friends.
1361
01:15:58,815 --> 01:16:01,731
You failed to find
a single scientific expert.
1362
01:16:02,296 --> 01:16:05,386
I am sorry, sir, but...
it seems like you barely tried
1363
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:07,388
to create reasonable doubt
in the jury's minds.
1364
01:16:07,432 --> 01:16:08,738
Where did you get your law
degree, missy?
1365
01:16:09,173 --> 01:16:10,609
State didn't give me
enough money
1366
01:16:10,653 --> 01:16:12,219
to feed these horses
to defend that boy.
1367
01:16:12,263 --> 01:16:13,873
-But I did the best I could.
-Yeah?
1368
01:16:13,917 --> 01:16:15,962
Yeah. And regardless
of your estimation
1369
01:16:16,006 --> 01:16:17,616
of my professional abilities,
1370
01:16:18,486 --> 01:16:19,749
the fact remains,
1371
01:16:20,837 --> 01:16:23,753
that boy is a monster,
and he will die.
1372
01:16:27,495 --> 01:16:28,975
Worry about the living,
Ms. Gilbert.
1373
01:16:29,323 --> 01:16:31,282
Yeah, well, maybe,
you should do the same.
1374
01:16:33,937 --> 01:16:35,112
We clearly have enough
1375
01:16:35,155 --> 01:16:36,592
to file an appeal
with the Fifth Circuit.
1376
01:16:36,635 --> 01:16:37,897
Now, I'm sorry, sir,
1377
01:16:37,941 --> 01:16:40,117
but this Horton seems like
a complete loser.
1378
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:43,424
I mean, he decidedTodd was guilty from the get-go.
1379
01:16:43,468 --> 01:16:45,252
Yeah, granted Todd's trial
was a horror show,
1380
01:16:45,296 --> 01:16:46,993
but it doesn't mean
he's innocent.
1381
01:16:47,037 --> 01:16:48,952
But, then,
what about his appeal?
1382
01:16:48,995 --> 01:16:52,172
Ms. Gilbert,
I appreciate your zeal.
1383
01:16:52,477 --> 01:16:54,653
I worked this case for six
years, and got nowhere.
1384
01:16:54,697 --> 01:16:57,047
There's so many others that
needed my help who I can help.
1385
01:16:57,351 --> 01:17:00,659
-But, then, what if---They denied him
habeas corpus.
1386
01:17:00,703 --> 01:17:02,748
You're asking the state
to reopen a case
1387
01:17:02,792 --> 01:17:03,967
based on character witnesses,
1388
01:17:04,315 --> 01:17:06,317
when the primary factor
in this conviction
1389
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:07,971
was the arson investigation.
1390
01:17:08,885 --> 01:17:12,149
Now, I have to agree with
the experts here, Ms. Gilbert.
1391
01:17:12,802 --> 01:17:13,890
Fire does not lie.
1392
01:17:15,282 --> 01:17:18,546
Look, you've been kind to him,
and I admire that.
1393
01:17:19,112 --> 01:17:21,506
A personal involvement
can blind you to the truth.
1394
01:17:21,767 --> 01:17:22,855
I've been there.
1395
01:17:24,291 --> 01:17:25,728
Just don't let your emotions
get the better of you.
1396
01:17:26,598 --> 01:17:29,906
My emotions? What?
'Cause I'm a woman?
1397
01:17:30,384 --> 01:17:32,822
[sighs] That's not what I meant.
1398
01:17:32,865 --> 01:17:34,519
Well, then,
why don't you enlighten me?
1399
01:17:36,521 --> 01:17:38,262
Have sympathy for the man
he's become,
1400
01:17:38,697 --> 01:17:40,699
don't forget about
the man he was.
1401
01:17:40,743 --> 01:17:42,875
Great. I'mma go
finish your job for you.
1402
01:17:43,354 --> 01:17:44,442
Hold on a sec.
1403
01:17:47,184 --> 01:17:48,968
Look, I'm sorry.
I don't mean to be rude,
1404
01:17:49,012 --> 01:17:51,057
but it's just, it's been a longroad for me on this one,
1405
01:17:51,101 --> 01:17:52,363
and I got to let it
go at some point.
1406
01:17:52,406 --> 01:17:53,494
But you know what?
1407
01:17:53,538 --> 01:17:54,974
I've been reading this one file.
1408
01:17:55,018 --> 01:17:57,237
This Johnny Webb character,
and his testimony
1409
01:17:57,281 --> 01:17:58,978
seems like a complete lie.
1410
01:17:59,022 --> 01:18:00,850
I mean, is there a way we can
get to him?
1411
01:18:07,726 --> 01:18:10,947
[machine buzzing]
1412
01:18:14,907 --> 01:18:15,908
Hey!
1413
01:18:17,562 --> 01:18:18,563
Hey!
1414
01:18:20,608 --> 01:18:23,046
[machine whirring, stops]
1415
01:18:23,568 --> 01:18:25,048
Hey, how's it going?
1416
01:18:25,396 --> 01:18:27,093
Are you from one of those
church groups?
1417
01:18:27,137 --> 01:18:29,966
No, uh, Judge Powell called you,right?
1418
01:18:30,967 --> 01:18:31,968
Yeah.
1419
01:18:32,403 --> 01:18:33,665
Yeah, I've been...
1420
01:18:34,448 --> 01:18:37,451
talking to some people
about Todd Willingham.
1421
01:18:39,062 --> 01:18:40,063
Sounds familiar.
1422
01:18:40,411 --> 01:18:42,979
Yeah, you, talked to the court
1423
01:18:43,457 --> 01:18:45,764
about how he confessed to you...
1424
01:18:46,678 --> 01:18:49,072
about starting a fire
that killed his daughters.
1425
01:18:51,814 --> 01:18:54,773
Right. Yeah, now I remember.
1426
01:18:55,078 --> 01:18:57,602
It was sad. Real sad.
1427
01:18:58,342 --> 01:19:01,606
Yeah, I've been reading
your testimony, carefully.
1428
01:19:02,302 --> 01:19:04,130
Just wondering how all that
happened.
1429
01:19:04,652 --> 01:19:06,263
It's a long time ago, you know.
1430
01:19:07,133 --> 01:19:09,179
Yeah, I can't remember
last week.
1431
01:19:11,007 --> 01:19:12,095
But it sure would help
1432
01:19:13,009 --> 01:19:15,098
if there's anything
you could tell me.
1433
01:19:15,707 --> 01:19:18,536
Well... Uh...
1434
01:19:19,624 --> 01:19:21,147
I was just sitting in my cell.
1435
01:19:21,887 --> 01:19:25,499
You know? And... And this guy
gets put in with me.
1436
01:19:27,284 --> 01:19:29,808
He's talking for a while and...
1437
01:19:30,678 --> 01:19:32,376
he confessed to me right there.
1438
01:19:33,159 --> 01:19:35,118
-That's about it.
-Just like that?
1439
01:19:38,643 --> 01:19:41,820
You felt like you knew
Todd well, or...
1440
01:19:42,125 --> 01:19:44,649
Like I said,we shared a cell, so, you know.
1441
01:19:47,870 --> 01:19:49,654
Why do you think
he confessed to you?
1442
01:19:52,570 --> 01:19:54,790
I guess he just needed to tell
somebody.
1443
01:19:55,312 --> 01:19:57,793
You know? Sometimes
a stranger's good for that.
1444
01:19:57,836 --> 01:19:59,185
How's that work?
1445
01:20:00,839 --> 01:20:03,711
When you testify
in somebody else's case,
1446
01:20:04,451 --> 01:20:08,151
they, um... give you
a reduced sentence or...
1447
01:20:09,065 --> 01:20:10,327
did things change?
1448
01:20:11,850 --> 01:20:13,199
You're a welder, huh?
1449
01:20:14,157 --> 01:20:16,333
-Guess so.
-My dad, too.
1450
01:20:17,247 --> 01:20:18,378
Is that what you wanted to do?
1451
01:20:21,033 --> 01:20:22,818
Underwater welder, actually.
1452
01:20:22,861 --> 01:20:24,602
-The coolest job.
-[laughs]
1453
01:20:25,733 --> 01:20:27,910
-Is that what you are now?
-I wish.
1454
01:20:29,041 --> 01:20:31,217
I took a course, though,
been studying and shit,
1455
01:20:31,261 --> 01:20:32,828
you know, I took it down in--
1456
01:20:32,871 --> 01:20:33,916
Don't tell me, Houston?
1457
01:20:35,700 --> 01:20:37,876
-Houston. Yeah.
-At The Ocean Corporation?
1458
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,313
Yeah, damn right.
They got everything in there.
1459
01:20:40,357 --> 01:20:42,402
-It's expensive.
-Yeah, you ain't kidding.
1460
01:20:42,707 --> 01:20:45,362
-That's far from here, too.
-Yeah, you know.
1461
01:20:45,623 --> 01:20:47,364
-Drove my truck, though.
-This one?
1462
01:20:47,407 --> 01:20:50,193
-Yeah, yeah, that's my baby.
-Now, that is-- That's sweet.
1463
01:20:50,584 --> 01:20:52,021
Almost got it new, too.
1464
01:20:52,412 --> 01:20:54,327
Why are you asking me about allthis?
1465
01:20:54,371 --> 01:20:55,763
How did you pay for this?
1466
01:20:57,896 --> 01:20:59,767
Oh! I know what I wanted to
ask you.
1467
01:21:00,420 --> 01:21:02,770
Did Jackson,
the district attorney...
1468
01:21:03,946 --> 01:21:06,165
did he promise you
a reduced sentence
1469
01:21:06,209 --> 01:21:07,384
for that little story
you told?
1470
01:21:07,427 --> 01:21:09,777
-I don't know. I--
-Did he do that to you?
1471
01:21:09,821 --> 01:21:10,996
-I don't know.
-Like promise
1472
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:12,258
to take care of you?
1473
01:21:12,302 --> 01:21:13,259
They do that?
1474
01:21:14,521 --> 01:21:15,783
You know, I don't wanna
talk no more, so...
1475
01:21:15,827 --> 01:21:17,916
I'm sorry, Johnny, but...
was that the deal?
1476
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:19,918
Yeah, but I ain't supposed
to talk about this stuff, so--
1477
01:21:19,962 --> 01:21:21,920
Who told you not to talk about
it, the district attorney
1478
01:21:21,964 --> 01:21:24,357
is asking you not to talk,
and they're using you--
1479
01:21:24,401 --> 01:21:25,881
It's time for you to leave,
lady--
1480
01:21:25,924 --> 01:21:27,926
Listen to me, they are gonna
kill an innocent person.
1481
01:21:27,970 --> 01:21:29,536
And then you have to
live with it?
1482
01:21:29,580 --> 01:21:30,842
-I'm done here!
-They're gonna kill
1483
01:21:30,886 --> 01:21:32,539
an innocent man
and you have to live with it?
1484
01:21:32,583 --> 01:21:34,106
You know, I got a gun.
1485
01:21:38,241 --> 01:21:41,722
-All right. We're just talking.-I'm done talking.
1486
01:21:41,766 --> 01:21:43,637
Okay. All right, I'm not a cop.
1487
01:21:46,597 --> 01:21:48,338
-Get the fuck outta here then!
-Okay.
1488
01:21:54,257 --> 01:21:55,345
You could help.
1489
01:21:56,694 --> 01:21:57,782
Please.
1490
01:22:03,266 --> 01:22:04,441
[Todd] He threatened you?
1491
01:22:04,702 --> 01:22:06,617
That stupid motherfucker,
he threatened you?
1492
01:22:06,660 --> 01:22:09,925
Mm-hmm. Listen to me,his story stinks. You know why?
1493
01:22:10,447 --> 01:22:12,188
That guy's a snitch.
1494
01:22:13,232 --> 01:22:15,931
I think the DA paid somebody
to pay him off.
1495
01:22:15,974 --> 01:22:17,671
-He took a bribe?
-Mm-hmm.
1496
01:22:18,150 --> 01:22:19,760
Oh, he's a spineless
piece of shit.
1497
01:22:19,804 --> 01:22:21,806
But do you understand
what that means?
1498
01:22:22,241 --> 01:22:25,810
We got a snitch,
a gas can that was never found
1499
01:22:26,158 --> 01:22:28,247
-and Stacy's testimony.
-Yeah.
1500
01:22:28,291 --> 01:22:29,466
Look at all this evidence.
1501
01:22:30,946 --> 01:22:32,948
Reeve says there's no problem.
We've got plenty to go.
1502
01:22:32,991 --> 01:22:34,645
File an appeal
with the Fifth Circuit.
1503
01:22:34,688 --> 01:22:37,822
Fifth Circuit. I already spent
five of my appeals, Liz.
1504
01:22:38,518 --> 01:22:40,956
-I only got one more left.
-But you got one more left.
1505
01:22:40,999 --> 01:22:42,870
It's gonna go the same way
as all the others.
1506
01:22:42,914 --> 01:22:45,482
Todd, you've got one more.
1507
01:22:53,881 --> 01:22:55,492
Do you think life is fair, Liz?
1508
01:22:58,060 --> 01:22:59,061
Hell no.
1509
01:23:01,585 --> 01:23:03,326
Do you think God
is all right with that?
1510
01:23:03,543 --> 01:23:05,458
I don't think we know what His
plan is.
1511
01:23:05,502 --> 01:23:07,895
I don't even try
to begin to imagine.
1512
01:23:13,945 --> 01:23:14,946
I wanna live.
1513
01:23:16,339 --> 01:23:18,428
That's why we're not gonna giveup for one second.
1514
01:23:19,603 --> 01:23:20,865
Okay?
1515
01:23:23,259 --> 01:23:24,695
So, life isn't fair.
1516
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:28,873
What are we gonna do with that?
1517
01:23:34,705 --> 01:23:38,187
I mean, maybe this, right now...
1518
01:23:40,450 --> 01:23:42,104
is the best we get.
1519
01:23:43,931 --> 01:23:45,716
Us being here for each other.
1520
01:23:47,805 --> 01:23:49,720
Knowing how wrong it all this.
1521
01:23:53,289 --> 01:23:54,768
Maybe this is the God part.
1522
01:23:58,772 --> 01:24:02,907
All of us down here
trying to figure it all out.
1523
01:24:21,926 --> 01:24:23,580
That's beautiful, baby.
1524
01:24:26,583 --> 01:24:27,845
Is this our house?
1525
01:24:31,588 --> 01:24:33,981
Is that Mommy? Is she crying?
1526
01:24:36,114 --> 01:24:37,855
She crying because I was
mean to her?
1527
01:24:42,947 --> 01:24:44,079
Is this Daddy?
1528
01:24:46,690 --> 01:24:48,170
Daddy was bad, huh?
1529
01:24:54,001 --> 01:24:55,438
I'm sorry, baby.
1530
01:24:59,833 --> 01:25:03,576
The doctor who testified that
Todd was a sociopath
1531
01:25:03,620 --> 01:25:05,274
never even met him.
1532
01:25:06,013 --> 01:25:07,363
[Andrew] That seems unfair.
1533
01:25:07,667 --> 01:25:08,842
Exactly.
1534
01:25:10,322 --> 01:25:11,410
Yeah.
1535
01:25:11,454 --> 01:25:13,978
They bring him in
whenever they want
1536
01:25:14,021 --> 01:25:15,675
a guaranteed death penalty.
1537
01:25:16,633 --> 01:25:19,114
His nickname is Dr. Death.
1538
01:25:19,462 --> 01:25:20,985
-Dr. Death?
-He...
1539
01:25:21,333 --> 01:25:22,508
He was expelled
1540
01:25:22,552 --> 01:25:24,771
from the American
Psychiatric Association
1541
01:25:24,815 --> 01:25:28,862
"for making diagnosis
without meeting defendants."
1542
01:25:29,820 --> 01:25:31,343
This is why you read everything.
1543
01:25:33,650 --> 01:25:35,869
I swear I'm gonna cook for you
tomorrow night.
1544
01:25:35,913 --> 01:25:38,002
-That is just pitiful.
-I like cold pizza.
1545
01:25:38,394 --> 01:25:40,526
I do, too, but at least
put it on a plate.
1546
01:25:42,006 --> 01:25:45,705
Hey, you. Juls, did a Dr. Hurstcall when I was out?
1547
01:25:45,749 --> 01:25:47,142
Nope. Bye.
1548
01:25:47,185 --> 01:25:48,839
-Where you headed?
-Studying.
1549
01:25:48,882 --> 01:25:50,101
[Elizabeth] With Dave?
1550
01:25:53,017 --> 01:25:54,584
You mean you actually know
his name?
1551
01:25:57,195 --> 01:25:58,153
What?
1552
01:26:01,199 --> 01:26:02,157
Look...
1553
01:26:03,941 --> 01:26:04,942
What?
1554
01:26:05,856 --> 01:26:07,466
I know how amazing it must be
1555
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:09,512
being pen pals
with a murderer...
1556
01:26:11,122 --> 01:26:12,210
but it's like you think
1557
01:26:12,254 --> 01:26:13,559
you're some kind of hero
or something.
1558
01:26:14,734 --> 01:26:16,214
Do you even know that Andrew
1559
01:26:16,258 --> 01:26:17,650
is crying himself to sleep
at night
1560
01:26:17,694 --> 01:26:19,043
because he misses Daddy?
1561
01:26:21,350 --> 01:26:23,526
You have no idea
what's going on around here.
1562
01:26:26,703 --> 01:26:27,878
I do.
1563
01:26:28,270 --> 01:26:29,227
You don't.
1564
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:31,273
That's just not true.
1565
01:26:36,452 --> 01:26:37,801
I'm sorry.
1566
01:26:41,892 --> 01:26:43,589
I'm sorry, sweet pea.
1567
01:26:46,375 --> 01:26:47,898
[man on radio]
Dallas is now inside the field
1568
01:26:47,941 --> 01:26:49,943
goal range on the Arizona 37,
1569
01:26:49,987 --> 01:26:51,206
second down and eight.
1570
01:26:51,249 --> 01:26:52,859
Cowboys come
out of the shotgun.
1571
01:26:52,903 --> 01:26:54,078
There's a snap.
1572
01:26:54,121 --> 01:26:55,253
Cardinals coming
with the blitz,
1573
01:26:55,297 --> 01:26:56,733
Huntington scrambling left.
1574
01:26:56,776 --> 01:26:58,952
-It's picked off again.
-Come on.
1575
01:26:58,996 --> 01:27:00,563
This time by Adrian Wilson.
1576
01:27:01,085 --> 01:27:03,043
What kind of lame-ass excuse
for a quarterback
1577
01:27:03,087 --> 01:27:05,045
throws three interceptions
in the first quarter?
1578
01:27:05,089 --> 01:27:07,613
[laughs] Hey, Willingham?
Cowboys suck.
1579
01:27:07,657 --> 01:27:09,615
-Hey, shut the fuck up.
-Whoever thought the Cowboys
1580
01:27:09,659 --> 01:27:10,747
wouldn't make the playoffs
1581
01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:12,227
-three years in a goddamn row.
-Yeah.
1582
01:27:12,836 --> 01:27:14,141
It sucks.
1583
01:27:14,185 --> 01:27:15,099
Unbelievable.
1584
01:27:16,492 --> 01:27:17,275
[Elizabeth] Well, first of all,
we are talking
1585
01:27:17,319 --> 01:27:18,450
about a man's life.
1586
01:27:18,494 --> 01:27:19,538
So, now, you're spearheading
an effort
1587
01:27:19,582 --> 01:27:21,061
to prove Todd's innocence?
1588
01:27:21,105 --> 01:27:23,063
Well, I wouldn't say
spearheading,
1589
01:27:23,107 --> 01:27:24,587
but I am helping
his lawyer.
1590
01:27:25,109 --> 01:27:27,285
Todd's trial was
a complete travesty.
1591
01:27:27,329 --> 01:27:28,765
[man on radio]
What a great ball game...
1592
01:27:28,808 --> 01:27:31,811
Hey, Willingham. They're talkingabout you on the radio.
1593
01:27:31,855 --> 01:27:34,205
Hey, Todd,
change the station, man.
1594
01:27:35,772 --> 01:27:37,426
Which frequency are we on?
1595
01:27:37,469 --> 01:27:38,470
It's 1060.
1596
01:27:40,429 --> 01:27:41,865
[Elizabeth]
...knew that I was going to
1597
01:27:42,169 --> 01:27:44,868
supposedly meet
a killer, but...
1598
01:27:45,999 --> 01:27:49,960
I found myself talkingto a vulnerable, sensitive man.
1599
01:27:50,395 --> 01:27:52,136
He was very easy to talk to.
1600
01:27:52,179 --> 01:27:53,833
How do you expect to change
people's minds
1601
01:27:53,877 --> 01:27:56,009
who know of Todd's past,
1602
01:27:56,053 --> 01:27:59,839
that he beat his wife in front
of multiple witnesses but--
1603
01:27:59,883 --> 01:28:01,754
[Elizabeth] I mean, have you
ever been cruel to someone
1604
01:28:01,798 --> 01:28:03,800
in your life?
That make you a murderer?
1605
01:28:04,148 --> 01:28:04,975
No.
1606
01:28:06,237 --> 01:28:09,675
Uh, it was very clear
that witness testimony
1607
01:28:09,719 --> 01:28:11,851
changed from the time
they talked to the police,
1608
01:28:11,895 --> 01:28:13,766
to the time they were
in a courtroom.
1609
01:28:13,810 --> 01:28:15,768
There's new DNA
evidence in this case.
1610
01:28:15,812 --> 01:28:17,683
There may be new fire evidence.
1611
01:28:17,727 --> 01:28:20,425
There are more questions
to answer here.
1612
01:28:20,469 --> 01:28:22,122
[radio presenter] So,
what you're telling me is
1613
01:28:22,166 --> 01:28:24,821
you believe that
Todd is innocent?
1614
01:28:27,519 --> 01:28:28,651
Yes, I am.
1615
01:28:29,739 --> 01:28:30,957
I believe the State of Texas
1616
01:28:31,001 --> 01:28:32,872
is about to kill
an innocent man.
1617
01:28:34,483 --> 01:28:36,354
Would you wanna
kill an innocent man?
1618
01:28:37,355 --> 01:28:39,879
There is more than enough evidence
1619
01:28:39,923 --> 01:28:42,055
for Todd to be
granted an appeal.
1620
01:28:42,099 --> 01:28:43,753
If there's any question...
1621
01:28:45,015 --> 01:28:47,365
-Hey.
-...evidence or any...
1622
01:28:47,409 --> 01:28:48,671
Your date's been set.
1623
01:28:50,020 --> 01:28:51,369
February 17th.
1624
01:29:18,440 --> 01:29:19,702
Now I feel excited.
1625
01:29:21,268 --> 01:29:23,270
I read something on somebody
who's supposed to be, like,
1626
01:29:23,314 --> 01:29:26,361
the world expert on fires.
His name's Hurst.
1627
01:29:26,926 --> 01:29:28,101
I've got a message to him
1628
01:29:28,145 --> 01:29:30,060
and found out
he lives in Austin.
1629
01:29:30,582 --> 01:29:32,541
And I just feel like
that's what we need.
1630
01:29:32,584 --> 01:29:35,108
You know, we need an expert
who can come in
1631
01:29:35,152 --> 01:29:37,763
and challenge this absurdity.
1632
01:29:37,807 --> 01:29:39,548
Liz, I'm not here to be saved.
1633
01:29:40,766 --> 01:29:42,507
-Well, I'm not--
-I'm not a character
1634
01:29:42,551 --> 01:29:45,510
in one of your fucking plays
or a pretend boyfriend,
1635
01:29:45,554 --> 01:29:48,861
or someone here to percolate
some excitement
1636
01:29:48,905 --> 01:29:52,082
in your otherwise boring,
ex-fucking housewife life.
1637
01:29:54,171 --> 01:29:55,738
I am here to die.
1638
01:30:01,831 --> 01:30:05,312
These are my last days, Liz,
not yours.
1639
01:30:06,966 --> 01:30:09,578
And I don't need them filled upwith your false hope.
1640
01:30:11,623 --> 01:30:15,366
Now, I am grateful for all
the faith you've had in me.
1641
01:30:16,976 --> 01:30:18,891
All the work, everything,
1642
01:30:18,935 --> 01:30:21,416
but it don't matter
what truth you find now.
1643
01:30:21,459 --> 01:30:23,026
It ain't gonna make
no difference.
1644
01:30:30,686 --> 01:30:31,687
I lied, Liz.
1645
01:30:34,298 --> 01:30:35,430
I lied to you.
1646
01:30:40,217 --> 01:30:41,348
I lied to everybody.
1647
01:30:47,529 --> 01:30:50,183
I said I went in straightto the girls' room, which I did.
1648
01:30:51,054 --> 01:30:53,926
Crawled over to them,
burning shit falling on me
1649
01:30:53,970 --> 01:30:56,320
and smoke everywhere,
everything was on fire.
1650
01:30:56,842 --> 01:30:58,627
[Todd coughing]
1651
01:30:59,497 --> 01:31:01,281
I tried to get in,
but I couldn't
1652
01:31:01,325 --> 01:31:02,457
'cause it was too hot.
1653
01:31:04,328 --> 01:31:05,372
[Todd] Amber!
1654
01:31:11,901 --> 01:31:13,468
I already knew that they...
1655
01:31:16,079 --> 01:31:17,820
[Todd coughing]
1656
01:31:31,573 --> 01:31:33,183
[sirens wailing]
1657
01:31:54,552 --> 01:31:56,685
[sobbing] I was too afraid to...
1658
01:32:00,297 --> 01:32:03,300
I was too afraid to see my own
kids burning to death.
1659
01:32:12,396 --> 01:32:14,398
I wanted to go back in,
but I couldn't
1660
01:32:14,441 --> 01:32:15,704
'cause I was too afraid.
1661
01:32:20,752 --> 01:32:22,232
So I am guilty.
1662
01:32:29,935 --> 01:32:32,938
Any man who can't save his own
kids don't deserve to live.
1663
01:32:51,304 --> 01:32:52,784
He wants to stop.
1664
01:32:55,744 --> 01:32:59,095
Maybe he's right.Maybe we're just torturing him.
1665
01:33:01,097 --> 01:33:03,534
I mean, what chance have we got
honestly?
1666
01:33:06,668 --> 01:33:09,627
Doesn't matter. How many
think...
1667
01:33:10,802 --> 01:33:12,543
You think this is just about
Todd?
1668
01:33:13,979 --> 01:33:16,329
System doesn't work,
it's broken.
1669
01:33:17,940 --> 01:33:20,333
How many others out there
you think been fucked over?
1670
01:33:26,209 --> 01:33:27,297
[Stacy] Yeah.
1671
01:33:28,515 --> 01:33:30,866
For a while there,
we was crazy in love.
1672
01:33:32,781 --> 01:33:35,827
And then we got marriedafter the twins was born and...
1673
01:33:37,481 --> 01:33:40,702
I thought that meant
he really loved me, but...
1674
01:33:42,573 --> 01:33:44,880
now I think he was just doing itfor them.
1675
01:33:45,184 --> 01:33:47,970
Well, Stacy, if there's anythingyou can remember
1676
01:33:48,013 --> 01:33:49,624
that we could use to save him...
1677
01:33:51,016 --> 01:33:52,191
this is it.
1678
01:33:53,323 --> 01:33:54,629
They're about to kill him.
1679
01:33:58,067 --> 01:33:59,329
I know that, yeah.
1680
01:33:59,590 --> 01:34:01,026
Please help us.
1681
01:34:06,336 --> 01:34:09,208
My brother, he's police.
1682
01:34:12,342 --> 01:34:15,867
He says, Todd gets off,
they're gonna come after me
1683
01:34:15,911 --> 01:34:17,956
and persecute me and Todd's
gonna help them do it.
1684
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:19,871
I don't wanna go to jail
instead of him.
1685
01:34:21,699 --> 01:34:23,005
That's crazy.
1686
01:34:25,355 --> 01:34:26,835
Todd loves you.
1687
01:34:27,749 --> 01:34:31,187
He talks about you all the time.You need to go see him.
1688
01:34:34,016 --> 01:34:35,670
Mm-mm. I can't do that.
1689
01:34:35,887 --> 01:34:40,109
Stacy, he was the father
of your babies.
1690
01:34:41,110 --> 01:34:46,028
And he's changed.
Please, just go see him.
1691
01:34:56,473 --> 01:34:57,866
-Hey, honey.
-Oh, hey, Mom.
1692
01:34:58,214 --> 01:34:59,911
Hey, a doctor left you
a message.
1693
01:34:59,955 --> 01:35:01,565
-Doctor Hu--
-Hurst?
1694
01:35:01,608 --> 01:35:02,740
-Yeah.
-Oh, my God.
1695
01:35:02,784 --> 01:35:04,089
Wait. Mom, is everything okay?
1696
01:35:05,134 --> 01:35:06,831
Yeah, buddy,
not that kind of doctor.
1697
01:35:06,875 --> 01:35:08,180
-All right.
-Have a great day.
1698
01:35:08,224 --> 01:35:09,616
-All right.
-Okay.
1699
01:35:15,884 --> 01:35:16,928
[sighs]
1700
01:35:18,930 --> 01:35:20,062
[Dr. Hurst humming]
1701
01:35:23,805 --> 01:35:26,851
We're so grateful
that you're willing to dive in
1702
01:35:26,895 --> 01:35:28,244
like this. I mean--
1703
01:35:28,287 --> 01:35:30,681
What's your sign?
1704
01:35:32,161 --> 01:35:34,598
-Excuse me?
-Under what sign
1705
01:35:34,641 --> 01:35:36,905
of the zodiac were you born?
1706
01:35:38,297 --> 01:35:40,082
-Aries.
-And your horoscope,
1707
01:35:40,125 --> 01:35:41,170
do you read it?
1708
01:35:42,432 --> 01:35:44,390
-Sometimes, I guess.
-Sometimes it's right
1709
01:35:44,434 --> 01:35:47,437
-and sometimes it's wrong.-Well, all that stuff is just...
1710
01:35:47,829 --> 01:35:51,615
People have always been
fascinated
1711
01:35:52,050 --> 01:35:55,227
by the stars, they chartered
their movements.
1712
01:35:55,271 --> 01:35:59,449
They could tell you
when Mercury was retrograde
1713
01:35:59,492 --> 01:36:02,495
or when Mars was aligned
with Venus.
1714
01:36:03,496 --> 01:36:08,763
They made predictions
based on these observations.
1715
01:36:08,806 --> 01:36:11,853
These people were called
astrologers.
1716
01:36:12,984 --> 01:36:15,770
They were the experts
on the solar system.
1717
01:36:16,292 --> 01:36:18,903
Until the science of astronomy
came along
1718
01:36:18,947 --> 01:36:21,993
and proved their ideas
to be nothing but bullpucky.
1719
01:36:22,298 --> 01:36:27,303
I've studied the report
their experts wrote.
1720
01:36:39,141 --> 01:36:40,142
Follow me.
1721
01:36:42,144 --> 01:36:44,581
-Move your feet.
-Oh!
1722
01:37:06,168 --> 01:37:07,212
What do you see?
1723
01:37:08,257 --> 01:37:09,171
Oh...
1724
01:37:10,302 --> 01:37:12,783
-nothing?
-Exactly. No burn signature.
1725
01:37:13,958 --> 01:37:18,223
And no such thing
as crazed glass either.
1726
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:26,101
The spider pattern happens...
1727
01:37:27,711 --> 01:37:30,409
when it's hit by cold water
from the fire hoses.
1728
01:37:31,410 --> 01:37:33,282
-[glass crackles]
-Ah!
1729
01:37:35,023 --> 01:37:39,941
I spent two days going over
every detail of this case.
1730
01:37:40,376 --> 01:37:42,726
Thing about investigators
is they tend to find
1731
01:37:42,769 --> 01:37:46,077
what they're looking for,
even if it isn't there.
1732
01:37:47,252 --> 01:37:49,733
They'd already decided
Todd was guilty
1733
01:37:49,776 --> 01:37:51,778
before they walked
into that house.
1734
01:37:52,954 --> 01:37:55,173
They were so sure it was arson,
1735
01:37:55,217 --> 01:37:57,741
they didn't even bother to
check the space heater.
1736
01:37:59,569 --> 01:38:01,919
Whoever installed
the electrical wiring
1737
01:38:01,963 --> 01:38:04,269
had never even heard
of a Safety Code.
1738
01:38:06,576 --> 01:38:08,012
-[Todd] Girls?
-[Dr. Hurst] Those flames
1739
01:38:08,056 --> 01:38:09,535
ran up the ceiling
1740
01:38:09,579 --> 01:38:12,538
burning the walls,
before moving their way down.
1741
01:38:12,582 --> 01:38:13,583
[Amber] Daddy!
1742
01:38:15,150 --> 01:38:16,151
[Dr. Hurst] The fire was
what we call a flashover.
1743
01:38:17,630 --> 01:38:19,284
Instant combustion
of everything flammable.
1744
01:38:19,328 --> 01:38:22,070
The V pattern the experts
found...
1745
01:38:22,331 --> 01:38:24,507
also a signature of a
flashover.
1746
01:38:28,685 --> 01:38:30,469
The accelerant on the porch.
1747
01:38:31,340 --> 01:38:33,472
[Dr. Hurst] Charcoal grill
and lighter fluid
1748
01:38:33,516 --> 01:38:35,953
the expert somehow neglected
to mention.
1749
01:38:38,434 --> 01:38:40,915
My babies are burning up!
1750
01:38:41,437 --> 01:38:43,874
And the refrigerator
that blocked the back door?
1751
01:38:45,963 --> 01:38:48,444
Linoleum underneath is
untouched.
1752
01:38:48,487 --> 01:38:50,359
It was always there,
never been moved.
1753
01:38:50,794 --> 01:38:51,882
[sighs]
1754
01:38:53,362 --> 01:38:55,973
My report is based on hundreds
of hours of experiments
1755
01:38:56,017 --> 01:38:57,975
by the most rigorous scientistsin the field,
1756
01:38:58,019 --> 01:38:59,934
these so-called experts
of theirs
1757
01:38:59,977 --> 01:39:01,326
may have seen lots of fires,
1758
01:39:01,370 --> 01:39:03,938
but in the end,
they're just astrologers.
1759
01:39:06,288 --> 01:39:09,421
-Thank you, Mr. Hurst.
-Thank you so much.
1760
01:39:09,465 --> 01:39:11,249
There's also just one more thing
1761
01:39:11,293 --> 01:39:14,470
-that we have to...
-What we owe you.
1762
01:39:14,513 --> 01:39:16,951
I don't believe in astrology,
Ms. Gilbert,
1763
01:39:17,995 --> 01:39:19,692
but I do believe in karma.
1764
01:39:20,171 --> 01:39:23,000
Mine can use all the help it canget. The pleasure's mine.
1765
01:39:25,307 --> 01:39:27,483
Todd, we got Hurst.
Listen to me.
1766
01:39:27,874 --> 01:39:30,965
We got to Hurst.
We got to him.
1767
01:39:31,008 --> 01:39:33,097
He said there's no way
that fire was arson.
1768
01:39:33,141 --> 01:39:34,272
You know what that means?
1769
01:39:34,316 --> 01:39:35,882
If there's no arson,
there's no crime.
1770
01:39:36,187 --> 01:39:38,494
-Can you believe it?
-No, I can't.
1771
01:39:38,537 --> 01:39:40,452
-Oh, my God.
-It's just like
1772
01:39:40,496 --> 01:39:41,932
I've been saying the whole time.
1773
01:39:41,976 --> 01:39:44,065
Well, Reeves is on his way
to Parole Board right now.
1774
01:39:44,500 --> 01:39:46,110
He said there's no way
they won't regard this
1775
01:39:46,154 --> 01:39:47,198
as exculpatory evidence.
1776
01:39:49,592 --> 01:39:52,377
Todd, we have a real chance.
1777
01:39:55,163 --> 01:39:57,078
Oh, I don't know, Liz.
1778
01:39:59,384 --> 01:40:01,430
I'm not fixing to start
hoping again.
1779
01:40:02,387 --> 01:40:03,519
Hope is bad.
1780
01:40:03,867 --> 01:40:05,564
I got 10 days left.
1781
01:40:05,608 --> 01:40:07,740
If I start hoping again,
them 10 days is gonna go by
1782
01:40:07,784 --> 01:40:11,744
-just like that.
-I understand, but I'm hoping.
1783
01:40:19,535 --> 01:40:21,058
You know what I was ruminating
on just now
1784
01:40:21,102 --> 01:40:22,494
while I was waiting
for you?
1785
01:40:22,538 --> 01:40:26,150
-What?-After all them terrible things
1786
01:40:26,194 --> 01:40:28,196
I said to you,I thought you'd given up on me.
1787
01:40:30,894 --> 01:40:31,721
Never.
1788
01:40:47,258 --> 01:40:48,390
Never.
1789
01:40:57,747 --> 01:40:59,879
-Irene?
-Yes?
1790
01:40:59,923 --> 01:41:01,533
I need to get this copy
of Hurst's report
1791
01:41:01,577 --> 01:41:03,709
over to the Board
of Pardons and Paroles.
1792
01:41:03,753 --> 01:41:04,754
All right?
1793
01:41:06,016 --> 01:41:08,062
Second thought, got this.
Thank you. Sorry.
1794
01:41:11,239 --> 01:41:12,805
-Hi, Cindy.
-Hi, Skip.
1795
01:41:12,849 --> 01:41:15,243
I was wondering
if you can get this out ASAP?
1796
01:41:15,286 --> 01:41:17,114
-Sure thing.
-Thanks so much.
1797
01:41:17,158 --> 01:41:18,985
-You have a good one.
-You too.
1798
01:41:26,950 --> 01:41:28,952
[fax machine whirring]
1799
01:41:36,612 --> 01:41:39,658
[woman] This fax just came in
from the Parole Board, sir.
1800
01:41:45,142 --> 01:41:46,839
How can they deny it without
reading it?
1801
01:41:48,058 --> 01:41:49,668
No need-- No, no, no.
1802
01:41:49,712 --> 01:41:51,844
It's a new interpretation
of existing evidence
1803
01:41:51,888 --> 01:41:54,456
using scientific methods
that weren't available then.
1804
01:41:55,239 --> 01:41:57,372
That constitutes new evidence.
1805
01:41:59,287 --> 01:42:01,289
How could they not even meet?
1806
01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:03,856
It-- Hello? Hello?
1807
01:42:08,078 --> 01:42:10,602
Irene, I want a--
I want a draft in appeal
1808
01:42:10,646 --> 01:42:12,517
for a 30-day stay of execution.
1809
01:42:13,039 --> 01:42:15,520
[Irene] You don't have to shout.
There's an intercom, you know.
1810
01:42:20,917 --> 01:42:24,007
And find out how late
the governor's office is open.
1811
01:42:33,234 --> 01:42:34,104
Hi.
1812
01:42:35,236 --> 01:42:36,193
Hi.
1813
01:42:38,195 --> 01:42:39,153
Thanks for coming.
1814
01:42:41,677 --> 01:42:42,852
How you been?
1815
01:42:46,029 --> 01:42:47,335
-Good.
-Good.
1816
01:42:49,032 --> 01:42:50,076
You look good.
1817
01:42:51,252 --> 01:42:52,905
-No, I don't.
-Yeah, you do.
1818
01:42:53,558 --> 01:42:54,864
Them eyes, now.
1819
01:43:00,739 --> 01:43:02,741
You been wanting me to come hereall these years,
1820
01:43:02,785 --> 01:43:04,178
what's on your mind?
1821
01:43:06,745 --> 01:43:09,095
Ms. Gilbert says my only chancenow
1822
01:43:09,139 --> 01:43:10,967
is stay of execution
from the Governor.
1823
01:43:12,273 --> 01:43:13,926
I just need a statement
from you.
1824
01:43:15,450 --> 01:43:16,755
I don't think that
1825
01:43:16,799 --> 01:43:18,496
-I can do that, Todd.
-Why not?
1826
01:43:18,540 --> 01:43:19,715
You know I already wrote
a letter
1827
01:43:19,758 --> 01:43:20,977
to Governor Ann Richards
1828
01:43:21,020 --> 01:43:22,326
trying to defend you,
she didn't respond.
1829
01:43:22,370 --> 01:43:23,588
You just gotta go
to Governor Perry.
1830
01:43:23,632 --> 01:43:24,763
Otherwise,
I don't get my pardon.
1831
01:43:24,807 --> 01:43:26,330
I've been the only one
defending you
1832
01:43:26,374 --> 01:43:28,245
-this whole time.
-What's stopping you now then?
1833
01:43:28,289 --> 01:43:30,204
A lot of things.
Grandma. Do you have any idea
1834
01:43:30,247 --> 01:43:31,683
how many people
don't want me to do that?
1835
01:43:31,727 --> 01:43:32,989
Well, there's only you.
1836
01:43:35,905 --> 01:43:37,689
I just don't think that
I can do that.
1837
01:43:37,733 --> 01:43:39,691
-Why'd you come here then?
-We were married,
1838
01:43:39,735 --> 01:43:41,737
-weren't we? I figured I should.-That ain't the reason.
1839
01:43:41,998 --> 01:43:44,348
I think you feel guilty you
never helped me with my case.
1840
01:43:44,392 --> 01:43:47,133
-Hold on a second.-Where'd all that money go, huh?
1841
01:43:47,438 --> 01:43:48,613
-What?
-All the insurance money
1842
01:43:48,657 --> 01:43:50,049
I could've used
to get me a lawyer?
1843
01:43:50,093 --> 01:43:51,355
To me trying to survive
1844
01:43:51,399 --> 01:43:52,574
-and rebuild my life.
-To you?
1845
01:43:52,617 --> 01:43:53,618
Making your hair look nice?
1846
01:43:55,185 --> 01:43:57,231
-Them nails look expensive.
-Yeah. That's where it went.
1847
01:43:57,274 --> 01:43:58,710
Making yourself look pretty
around town.
1848
01:43:58,754 --> 01:44:00,625
-Wow.
-While you cut me off.
1849
01:44:00,669 --> 01:44:03,367
-Fucked all kinds of idiots.
-Oh, you should talk.
1850
01:44:03,411 --> 01:44:04,977
Do you have any idea
the stories I have to sit
1851
01:44:05,021 --> 01:44:06,718
and listen to, all the girls
wanna brag about
1852
01:44:06,762 --> 01:44:08,067
fucking a guy
on death row?
1853
01:44:08,111 --> 01:44:09,286
It's all true.
1854
01:44:09,330 --> 01:44:10,896
-It's all true.
-Yeah, I know.
1855
01:44:10,940 --> 01:44:14,291
-They all fuck the baby killer.-Wow. You haven't changed a bit.
1856
01:44:14,335 --> 01:44:16,162
How the fuck would you know?
1857
01:44:17,076 --> 01:44:18,817
How the fuck would you know,
huh?
1858
01:44:18,861 --> 01:44:20,558
Because I know you,
Todd Willingham.
1859
01:44:20,602 --> 01:44:21,994
Twelve years, bitch.
1860
01:44:22,038 --> 01:44:24,083
Twelve years it's taken you
to pluck up the courage
1861
01:44:24,127 --> 01:44:25,041
to come see me.
1862
01:44:25,302 --> 01:44:26,564
Why didn't you
come see me once?
1863
01:44:26,608 --> 01:44:29,088
Because they told me
that you killed my babies!
1864
01:44:29,132 --> 01:44:31,265
[officer] Hey, that's enough.
1865
01:44:42,363 --> 01:44:43,712
But you know I didn't.
1866
01:44:45,322 --> 01:44:48,325
You know I wouldn't hurt them
kids, Stacy. You know.
1867
01:44:50,458 --> 01:44:53,983
I spent 12 years thinking aboutit now. I remember everything.
1868
01:44:54,766 --> 01:44:57,987
I remember everything, Stacy.
And I'm sorry, I apologize
1869
01:44:58,030 --> 01:45:00,946
if I ever hurt you,
but I loved you, Stacy.
1870
01:45:00,990 --> 01:45:02,687
-Todd, please, stop it.
-I loved you.
1871
01:45:02,731 --> 01:45:04,602
Now, we made three beautiful
children.
1872
01:45:04,646 --> 01:45:05,864
-They're gone--
-No, please stop.
1873
01:45:05,908 --> 01:45:07,301
...and I am paying for it now.
1874
01:45:07,344 --> 01:45:09,346
But I'm just asking this one
thing now, please.
1875
01:45:09,390 --> 01:45:10,695
No. [sobbing]
1876
01:45:10,739 --> 01:45:12,175
-I'm begging you.
-Oh, God.
1877
01:45:12,218 --> 01:45:14,482
-Just this one thing, please.
-I'm sorry, I got to go.
1878
01:45:36,678 --> 01:45:37,679
Hey.
1879
01:45:38,419 --> 01:45:39,333
They're...
1880
01:45:41,291 --> 01:45:42,945
They're moving you closer
to the chamber.
1881
01:45:51,910 --> 01:45:55,044
-You're done, fucker.
-Mind the wind, brother.
1882
01:45:56,045 --> 01:45:59,091
[all banging, rattling]
1883
01:45:59,396 --> 01:46:00,702
[inmate 1] Go gently, my friend.
1884
01:46:06,055 --> 01:46:07,535
[inmate 2]
Keep your head up, Todd.
1885
01:46:08,927 --> 01:46:10,973
-[inmate 3] Be strong, brother.-[inmate 4] Be strong.
1886
01:46:11,930 --> 01:46:14,498
Hey, you remember that
Hail Mary?
1887
01:46:14,542 --> 01:46:17,414
Roger Staubach through
in the playoffs
1888
01:46:17,458 --> 01:46:19,373
against the Vikings
in '75?
1889
01:46:19,416 --> 01:46:20,417
Yes, sir.
1890
01:46:22,898 --> 01:46:23,899
Come on.
1891
01:46:27,729 --> 01:46:29,557
Down 14-10...
1892
01:46:31,559 --> 01:46:33,430
24 seconds left.
1893
01:46:34,126 --> 01:46:35,998
He just rears back...
1894
01:46:36,694 --> 01:46:38,392
and lets that baby fly.
1895
01:46:40,916 --> 01:46:45,181
And somehow, it bounces off
the defensive halfback...
1896
01:46:46,922 --> 01:46:50,839
and right into the hand
of Drew Pearson...
1897
01:46:52,580 --> 01:46:54,277
touchdown Cowboys.
1898
01:46:55,191 --> 01:46:56,627
Unbelievable.
1899
01:47:01,284 --> 01:47:02,590
It's what you need, brother.
1900
01:47:04,679 --> 01:47:05,810
A Hail Mary.
1901
01:47:10,772 --> 01:47:12,208
I wish I could throw it for you.
1902
01:47:20,695 --> 01:47:22,348
[Todd] ...thy womb, Jesus.
1903
01:47:23,219 --> 01:47:25,003
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
1904
01:47:26,614 --> 01:47:28,180
pray for us sinners, now...
1905
01:47:29,704 --> 01:47:32,750
and at the hour of our death.
Amen.
1906
01:47:32,794 --> 01:47:35,797
For Todd Willingham scheduled
to be executed
1907
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:36,885
in just five days.
1908
01:47:38,321 --> 01:47:41,019
This marks the end
of a 12-year-old...
1909
01:47:41,063 --> 01:47:44,806
Hey, you got a pen and paper,
or something?
1910
01:47:46,547 --> 01:47:47,635
[barman] Here you go.
1911
01:47:49,027 --> 01:47:49,985
[news reporter on TV]
...Todd Willingham's fate.
1912
01:47:51,377 --> 01:47:53,510
This is a town of good
and simple people.
1913
01:47:55,860 --> 01:47:57,645
[Johnny] To whom it may concern.
1914
01:47:58,559 --> 01:48:01,431
My name is Johnny Webb.
1915
01:48:02,476 --> 01:48:06,044
I was forced to testify against Mr. Willingham by
1916
01:48:06,088 --> 01:48:09,744
the district attorney's office
and other officials.
1917
01:48:10,179 --> 01:48:11,920
I'm given no other choice,
1918
01:48:12,268 --> 01:48:15,271
but to recant my testimony
at this time.
1919
01:48:16,228 --> 01:48:19,710
Mr. Willingham is innocent
of all charges.
1920
01:48:31,026 --> 01:48:33,202
They're gonna take Daddy
away now, honey.
1921
01:48:38,207 --> 01:48:40,296
I don't know.
They just say it's my time.
1922
01:48:47,042 --> 01:48:48,739
I'm gonna miss you too.
1923
01:48:50,611 --> 01:48:52,221
I'm gonna really miss you.
1924
01:48:59,097 --> 01:49:00,969
That day in the fire, if I...
1925
01:49:03,449 --> 01:49:05,060
If I could've just saved you.
1926
01:49:11,327 --> 01:49:12,328
Amber.
1927
01:49:22,164 --> 01:49:23,469
Come on, honey.
1928
01:49:23,513 --> 01:49:24,558
It'll be okay.
1929
01:49:25,254 --> 01:49:27,082
Just let your brother do
all the talking.
1930
01:49:30,607 --> 01:49:32,870
Ms. Kuykendall, what do you haveto share with us?
1931
01:49:32,914 --> 01:49:34,698
Can you tell us what happened?
1932
01:49:34,742 --> 01:49:36,570
Can you tell us
what happened, please?
1933
01:49:36,613 --> 01:49:37,658
What would you like to share?
1934
01:49:39,834 --> 01:49:42,097
Regardless of what's been said
in the past,
1935
01:49:42,619 --> 01:49:44,578
I have here my affidavit.
1936
01:49:46,623 --> 01:49:48,973
It says Todd confessed to herwhen she visited him in prison.
1937
01:49:49,931 --> 01:49:51,585
Texas is doing the right thing
1938
01:49:51,628 --> 01:49:53,282
making that monster pay for
what he did.
1939
01:49:53,325 --> 01:49:55,414
Come on.
That's all we have to say.
1940
01:49:55,458 --> 01:49:58,548
[indistinct clamoring]
1941
01:50:06,643 --> 01:50:10,299
You know her granddaddy took outan insurance policy on the kids?
1942
01:50:12,475 --> 01:50:14,390
Cashed it right after the fire.
1943
01:50:17,480 --> 01:50:18,612
She's terrified.
1944
01:50:20,962 --> 01:50:23,529
They're all running scared
after this Hurst report.
1945
01:50:28,317 --> 01:50:30,406
I asked my mom and dad
not to come.
1946
01:50:31,407 --> 01:50:33,148
It would be too much for them.
1947
01:50:34,671 --> 01:50:35,629
Yeah.
1948
01:50:39,241 --> 01:50:42,374
You know, the report's on
the Governor's desk right now.
1949
01:50:42,418 --> 01:50:43,593
Governor Perry?
1950
01:50:44,986 --> 01:50:45,987
Yeah.
1951
01:51:01,219 --> 01:51:03,004
I'm getting scared now, Liz.
1952
01:51:06,703 --> 01:51:08,009
Not about dying.
1953
01:51:09,271 --> 01:51:12,361
They said it's gonna hurt,
they say it hurts so much.
1954
01:51:22,023 --> 01:51:23,546
You're gonna be there, right?
1955
01:51:27,593 --> 01:51:28,464
Promise.
1956
01:51:30,205 --> 01:51:31,075
Good.
1957
01:51:34,557 --> 01:51:36,298
I don't wanna die alone.
1958
01:51:42,391 --> 01:51:45,568
[Julie] Mama, are you okay?
1959
01:51:50,399 --> 01:51:52,096
They're gonna kill him tomorrow.
1960
01:51:57,580 --> 01:51:58,668
I failed.
1961
01:51:59,625 --> 01:52:00,626
No.
1962
01:52:06,415 --> 01:52:10,071
I let him down.
If I had found Hurst sooner...
1963
01:52:10,767 --> 01:52:13,161
No, Mama.
No, Mama, you didn't.
1964
01:52:14,466 --> 01:52:16,120
You did so much for him.
1965
01:52:18,427 --> 01:52:20,646
I guess I thought
the right thing would win.
1966
01:52:23,258 --> 01:52:25,608
I thought the right thing
would win.
1967
01:52:29,612 --> 01:52:30,526
I'm sorry.
1968
01:52:31,962 --> 01:52:35,487
-I'm so, so sorry.
-No, I'm sorry.
1969
01:52:36,488 --> 01:52:39,622
That you had to learn sucha shitty truth about the world.
1970
01:52:41,798 --> 01:52:42,756
[Julie] No.
1971
01:53:05,343 --> 01:53:08,390
Paul, I am telling youthe Governor has not read this.
1972
01:53:10,218 --> 01:53:12,655
Because it's proof.
1973
01:53:13,569 --> 01:53:16,790
Just please find somebody
who will make him read it.
1974
01:53:17,573 --> 01:53:20,445
-[horn blaring]
-[crashing]
1975
01:53:20,489 --> 01:53:22,665
[glass smashing]
1976
01:53:29,367 --> 01:53:30,934
-[Todd] Yo!
-[Marty] Yeah?
1977
01:53:30,978 --> 01:53:32,022
[Todd] How long?
1978
01:53:32,066 --> 01:53:33,502
[Marty]
Hour and a half maybe.
1979
01:53:34,895 --> 01:53:36,200
Ain't nobody called?
1980
01:53:37,419 --> 01:53:38,681
I'm sorry, brother.
1981
01:53:39,029 --> 01:53:41,118
I'm definitely expecting
a phone call, boss.
1982
01:53:41,162 --> 01:53:43,120
-I know.
-Elizabeth Gilbert,
1983
01:53:43,164 --> 01:53:45,122
you let me know
the second she calls, right?
1984
01:53:45,166 --> 01:53:46,167
I promise.
1985
01:53:53,261 --> 01:53:54,349
You all right?
1986
01:53:57,743 --> 01:53:58,832
Yeah, I know.
1987
01:54:03,010 --> 01:54:04,054
Fuck.
1988
01:54:09,277 --> 01:54:10,887
She's critical, but stable.
1989
01:54:10,931 --> 01:54:12,584
We're confident
she'll pull through.
1990
01:54:13,498 --> 01:54:15,587
Unfortunately,
her neck is broken.
1991
01:54:16,066 --> 01:54:18,242
We're not sure if she'll ever beable to walk again.
1992
01:54:21,202 --> 01:54:23,204
They're taking her into surgerynow.
1993
01:54:56,628 --> 01:54:57,629
[Todd] Shit.
1994
01:55:03,592 --> 01:55:04,593
It's time.
1995
01:55:07,074 --> 01:55:08,466
Come on, now, get up.
1996
01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:12,949
All right. Let's do it.
1997
01:55:18,172 --> 01:55:20,826
[Marty]Are you ready? One, two, three.
1998
01:55:20,870 --> 01:55:22,437
[Todd screaming] No!
1999
01:55:23,699 --> 01:55:24,700
No!
2000
01:55:25,483 --> 01:55:26,484
No!
2001
01:55:27,616 --> 01:55:28,834
No!
2002
01:56:04,218 --> 01:56:05,871
She don't have to be here,
does she?
2003
01:56:05,915 --> 01:56:07,525
-It doesn't matter, brother.
-My ex-wife.
2004
01:56:07,569 --> 01:56:08,570
I can't do that.
2005
01:56:13,662 --> 01:56:15,969
I hope you rot in hell,
you bitch!
2006
01:56:18,406 --> 01:56:20,190
You have any final words, son?
2007
01:56:20,495 --> 01:56:21,670
Yes, sir.
2008
01:56:26,936 --> 01:56:28,720
I am an innocent man.
2009
01:56:30,331 --> 01:56:33,943
Convicted of unspeakably heinouscrime, which I did not commit.
2010
01:56:35,858 --> 01:56:38,339
Twelve yearsI've been wrongly persecuted...
2011
01:56:41,081 --> 01:56:43,561
despite me
maintaining my innocence.
2012
01:56:47,174 --> 01:56:50,003
It is my dying wish
that my body be cremated.
2013
01:56:53,397 --> 01:56:56,879
And then my ashes spread acrossmy daughter's graves. [sniffs]
2014
01:57:03,755 --> 01:57:05,540
From God's dust I came...
2015
01:57:08,064 --> 01:57:11,546
now, to God's dust
I judiciously return.
2016
01:57:16,551 --> 01:57:18,640
Then the earth shall be
my throne.
2017
01:57:23,123 --> 01:57:24,385
All right then, y'all.
2018
01:57:30,130 --> 01:57:31,609
[Todd exhaling heavily]
2019
01:57:41,967 --> 01:57:42,925
[exhaling heavily]
2020
01:57:47,756 --> 01:57:50,759
[breathing nervously]
2021
01:58:02,945 --> 01:58:04,599
[Todd breathing shakily]
2022
01:58:34,063 --> 01:58:36,674
[sniffling]
2023
01:58:41,810 --> 01:58:45,292
[breathing shakily, exhaling]
2024
01:58:55,737 --> 01:58:59,828
[grunting in pain]
2025
01:59:07,488 --> 01:59:10,055
[grunting continues]
2026
01:59:53,055 --> 01:59:54,056
Thank you.
2027
02:00:12,117 --> 02:00:13,249
[Todd] Hey, groovy lady.
2028
02:00:13,815 --> 02:00:15,599
I'm wondering where you are.
2029
02:00:16,905 --> 02:00:18,994
I guess something big
must have come up.
2030
02:00:20,909 --> 02:00:22,911
When you read this,
I'll be gone,
2031
02:00:23,825 --> 02:00:26,393
but I wanted to tell you
about this dream I had.
2032
02:00:26,436 --> 02:00:28,743
[birds chirping]
2033
02:00:28,786 --> 02:00:31,441
Me and my girls are out
for a walk or some such.
2034
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:34,052
-Can you get me one?
-No, not that one.
2035
02:00:34,096 --> 02:00:35,924
I don't want that one.
Get me-- Get me this one.
2036
02:00:36,751 --> 02:00:38,448
-Good.
-I got two.
2037
02:00:38,492 --> 02:00:40,755
It was one of those cool,
fall days.
2038
02:00:41,973 --> 02:00:43,932
Football weather
my daddy used to call it.
2039
02:00:43,975 --> 02:00:44,976
You got that for me?
2040
02:00:46,587 --> 02:00:47,979
[Amber] Today was the last day,yesterday was the last day,
2041
02:00:48,023 --> 02:00:50,243
today we're doing it, this week,next week...
2042
02:00:50,286 --> 02:00:52,419
Funny thing is,
you were there too.
2043
02:00:53,594 --> 02:00:55,422
Out for a walk, I guess.
2044
02:00:58,599 --> 02:01:03,125
[indistinct chatter, laughter]
2045
02:01:24,973 --> 02:01:25,887
Okay.
2046
02:01:35,549 --> 02:01:37,333
[Todd] I suppose there's lots
of reasons
2047
02:01:37,377 --> 02:01:38,639
to feel sorry for myself.
2048
02:01:40,075 --> 02:01:41,859
My greatest regret
is not being allowed
2049
02:01:41,903 --> 02:01:43,513
to be buried beside my girls.
2050
02:01:45,210 --> 02:01:49,345
But thanks to you,
I have tried to make my peace.
2051
02:01:57,179 --> 02:01:59,529
You showed me that love
is always there
2052
02:01:59,573 --> 02:02:01,270
if you just
open yourself to it.
2053
02:02:02,053 --> 02:02:04,882
You helped me to learn to enjoy the simple blessings
2054
02:02:04,926 --> 02:02:05,840
of being alive.
2055
02:02:07,363 --> 02:02:09,539
I only wish I had something
to give you in return.
2056
02:02:10,410 --> 02:02:12,847
Besides my love, always.
2057
02:02:14,239 --> 02:02:16,851
Yours truly, Todd.
2058
02:02:18,679 --> 02:02:20,202
Okay. Let's go.
2059
02:03:12,428 --> 02:03:14,430
[presenter] Governor Perry,
question about Texas.
2060
02:03:15,300 --> 02:03:19,217
Your State has executed
234 death row inmates,
2061
02:03:19,261 --> 02:03:21,568
more than any other governor
in modern times.
2062
02:03:22,090 --> 02:03:24,222
-Have you--
-[cheering and applause]
2063
02:03:24,266 --> 02:03:26,703
Have you struggled
to sleep at night
2064
02:03:26,747 --> 02:03:30,098
with the idea that
any one of those
2065
02:03:30,141 --> 02:03:32,274
might have been innocent?
2066
02:03:32,317 --> 02:03:34,581
No, sir, I've never struggled
with that at all.
2067
02:03:34,842 --> 02:03:39,455
The State of Texas
has a very thoughtful,
2068
02:03:40,195 --> 02:03:42,589
a very clear...
2069
02:03:44,155 --> 02:03:46,810
process in place
of which when someone commits
2070
02:03:46,854 --> 02:03:49,639
the most heinous of crimes
against our citizens,
2071
02:03:50,031 --> 02:03:53,774
they get a fair hearing, they gothrough an appellate process.
2072
02:03:54,209 --> 02:03:56,777
They go up to the Supreme Courtof United States
2073
02:03:56,820 --> 02:03:58,300
if that's required,
2074
02:03:58,343 --> 02:04:02,173
but in the State of Texas,
if you come in to our state,
2075
02:04:02,652 --> 02:04:04,306
and you kill
one of our children,
2076
02:04:04,698 --> 02:04:06,177
you kill a police officer,
2077
02:04:06,221 --> 02:04:08,005
you're involved with
another crime
2078
02:04:08,049 --> 02:04:09,703
and you kill
one of our citizens,
2079
02:04:10,660 --> 02:04:14,925
you will face the ultimate
justice in the State of Texas.
2080
02:04:14,969 --> 02:04:17,101
And that is
you will be executed.
2081
02:04:17,145 --> 02:04:18,799
[presenter]
What do you make of--
2082
02:04:18,842 --> 02:04:24,195
[cheering and applause]
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