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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,450 --> 00:00:06,470 West Midlands Police. 2 00:00:07,530 --> 00:00:10,230 There's a young lad in school uniform. 3 00:00:11,730 --> 00:00:16,810 I would say he's about 12 and he has been stabbed in the stomach. 4 00:00:18,270 --> 00:00:20,650 Is he breathing in and out normally? 5 00:00:21,270 --> 00:00:22,470 Very laboured. 6 00:00:24,470 --> 00:00:27,310 I have confirmed that we've got the police on route. 7 00:00:27,790 --> 00:00:32,910 Come on, open your eyes. I'm here. Open your eyes. Oh, well done. 8 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,220 All right, just stay with us. 9 00:01:23,370 --> 00:01:24,750 Mike 2, 6, 8, they're stabbing. 10 00:01:25,510 --> 00:01:26,510 Rambo here also. 11 00:01:30,590 --> 00:01:36,230 Officers from West Midlands Police are responding to a serious incident after a 12 00:01:36,230 --> 00:01:40,750 young boy is found stabbed on his way home from school in South Birmingham. 13 00:01:42,590 --> 00:01:43,590 Come on, buddy. 14 00:01:44,780 --> 00:01:48,660 He was found conscious, sitting in and out of consciousness. And then he's gone 15 00:01:48,660 --> 00:01:49,660 into arrest. 16 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,480 Did you see what happened at all? 17 00:01:52,500 --> 00:01:54,460 He went to my school. I've told my mum. 18 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,020 If we can check for a pulse in two sites. 19 00:01:58,780 --> 00:02:01,260 I've got a pulse. I've got a pulse. I've got a pulse. 20 00:02:01,860 --> 00:02:04,280 Let's just make a note that that's 1622. 21 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,340 Pulse is detected. Okay, it's a weak central pulse. 22 00:02:13,820 --> 00:02:15,060 Ready, steady, lift. 23 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:17,400 Come on, Leo. 24 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:18,900 You can do it, mate. 25 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:26,500 The boy, named by a witness at the scene, is Leo Ross, aged 12 years old. 26 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,200 He's taken to hospital for emergency surgery. 27 00:02:42,220 --> 00:02:47,160 Crime scene investigator Drew Birtle immediately begins securing forensic 28 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,940 evidence at the scene, which may help identify the attacker. 29 00:02:52,660 --> 00:02:56,000 So we've got the site where Amber was treated, the young lad. 30 00:02:57,380 --> 00:03:03,720 There's no suggestion that over a wide area, I think that the assault is 31 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,660 confined to this area here. 32 00:03:09,580 --> 00:03:10,960 Working in forensics. 33 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,020 You often see distressing and horrific things. 34 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:22,900 But when you find out this is a little kid that's been stabbed, it's 35 00:03:22,900 --> 00:03:26,220 difficult to comprehend that something like that could happen. 36 00:03:33,220 --> 00:03:38,360 The priority for Drew is to quickly establish how the attack has taken 37 00:03:40,140 --> 00:03:43,400 We've got main pathway stretching from one end of the park to the other. 38 00:03:44,380 --> 00:03:50,200 We've got secondary footpath that dog walkers, kids, cyclists will use. 39 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,180 We've also got marshland over there. We've got a stream there. 40 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:56,840 It's a massive area. 41 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,260 And we know, obviously, that suspects fled, but we don't know in which 42 00:04:01,260 --> 00:04:02,260 direction. 43 00:04:03,260 --> 00:04:06,040 So we've got to cordon the whole park off. 44 00:04:07,580 --> 00:04:09,080 No one to go through scene. 45 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,000 No one coming through scene. 46 00:04:12,180 --> 00:04:14,520 So if we zip it from these trees. 47 00:04:17,060 --> 00:04:24,020 Whilst officers secure access to the four kilometre park, the spot where Leo 48 00:04:24,020 --> 00:04:26,260 was found is protected from the elements. 49 00:04:27,460 --> 00:04:29,840 Probably best to be on the safe side and cover it. 50 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,940 We know that young lads received stab wounds. 51 00:04:38,090 --> 00:04:42,050 We don't know with what at the minute. We're assuming knife, but I wouldn't 52 00:04:42,050 --> 00:04:45,670 out broken bottle, screwdriver, could be anything. 53 00:04:46,270 --> 00:04:51,350 But we don't know, was there a theft of any kind? Has there been a fight? 54 00:04:54,710 --> 00:04:57,150 I think it's absolutely horrific. 55 00:05:01,710 --> 00:05:06,410 Leo's school clothing is recovered and the crime scene is guarded overnight. 56 00:05:16,159 --> 00:05:19,660 Tributes have been paid to the 12 -year -old boy who was stabbed to death in 57 00:05:19,660 --> 00:05:20,660 Birmingham yesterday. 58 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,820 Leo Ross was stabbed in the stomach and found near Scribers Lane in Hall Green. 59 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,860 He died in hospital after being taken there in an air ambulance. 60 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:34,960 OK, morning, everyone. 61 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,820 This is Op Ultimo, which is the murder of Leo Ross. 62 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,620 Following the death of the young boy in hospital, West Midlands Police launch a 63 00:05:43,620 --> 00:05:44,620 murder inquiry. 64 00:05:45,070 --> 00:05:48,310 Leo was stabbed around half three yesterday afternoon. 65 00:05:49,210 --> 00:05:52,030 Led by Detective Inspector Joe Davenport. 66 00:05:53,230 --> 00:05:55,650 That exact spot there is where he was found. 67 00:05:57,170 --> 00:05:59,330 One of the first witnesses to give an account. 68 00:05:59,590 --> 00:06:03,330 She states she's seen a person in the undergrowth and has gone over to help. 69 00:06:03,330 --> 00:06:06,670 has noticed that he was pale, had a wound to his stomach, with blood across 70 00:06:06,670 --> 00:06:07,670 stomach. 71 00:06:07,970 --> 00:06:10,850 But no one actually saw what happened and there were no obvious suspects. 72 00:06:12,050 --> 00:06:13,510 This case is... 73 00:06:13,950 --> 00:06:15,990 Shocking because of the age of the victim. 74 00:06:17,330 --> 00:06:19,890 Leo is only a 12 -year -old boy. He's in school uniform. 75 00:06:21,090 --> 00:06:26,370 So for someone to quite clearly deliberately stab a 12 -year -old boy 76 00:06:26,370 --> 00:06:29,390 me that this person is incredibly dangerous and needs to be found as soon 77 00:06:29,390 --> 00:06:30,390 possible. 78 00:06:31,110 --> 00:06:34,650 Hypothesis at the moment, then, the victim has been stabbed by an unknown 79 00:06:34,650 --> 00:06:38,170 as part of a robbery or the victim has been stabbed by an unknown person for 80 00:06:38,170 --> 00:06:39,170 unknown reasons. 81 00:06:39,550 --> 00:06:41,010 At the moment, I have no... 82 00:06:41,490 --> 00:06:44,230 clear motive or reason as to why anyone would do this to him. 83 00:06:45,810 --> 00:06:47,750 Youth knife crime is a problem. 84 00:06:48,170 --> 00:06:50,130 Young people stabbing other young people. 85 00:06:50,490 --> 00:06:51,970 So is it gang -related? 86 00:06:52,450 --> 00:06:54,590 Has he been targeted as part of a robbery? 87 00:06:54,870 --> 00:06:56,710 Could be a number of different scenarios. 88 00:06:58,410 --> 00:07:02,530 So our main line of inquiry today then, search the murder scene to secure and 89 00:07:02,530 --> 00:07:03,650 preserve evidence of the offence. 90 00:07:04,690 --> 00:07:07,670 And we need to find the murder weapon as soon as possible. 91 00:07:22,250 --> 00:07:25,590 A lot of water in there. It's like a bog marsh and all sorts of... Yeah. It's 92 00:07:25,590 --> 00:07:27,090 the perfect place to do something like this. 93 00:07:27,350 --> 00:07:28,350 Yeah. 94 00:07:28,930 --> 00:07:34,350 Drew is joined by Joe at the crime scene to help coordinate a forensic search of 95 00:07:34,350 --> 00:07:35,350 the area. 96 00:07:36,810 --> 00:07:41,570 The incident happened on the inner cordon up there. It's unclear which way 97 00:07:41,570 --> 00:07:44,470 offender had left the scene or come into the scene. 98 00:07:44,710 --> 00:07:50,610 The biggest issue we've got is an outstanding murder weapon in a massive 99 00:07:51,310 --> 00:07:52,650 We've so much overgrowth. 100 00:07:54,870 --> 00:07:59,530 We could be stood five metres from the murder weapon and we're never going to 101 00:07:59,530 --> 00:08:00,530 know. 102 00:08:03,050 --> 00:08:08,470 Police drone operators begin mapping the complex terrain to identify routes the 103 00:08:08,470 --> 00:08:09,490 offender could have taken. 104 00:08:11,570 --> 00:08:14,950 The river pathway also leads to nearby houses. 105 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,260 We're doing the investigation into the incident that happened in the park. We 106 00:08:22,260 --> 00:08:25,020 were wondering if your CCTV cameras were working. 107 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:26,700 No, I'm going to go this way. 108 00:08:28,620 --> 00:08:30,040 Go on, get in your position. 109 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,419 Six search teams move in to comb the vast area. 110 00:08:36,980 --> 00:08:37,980 Good to go, yeah? 111 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,580 The murder weapon is vital. 112 00:08:43,380 --> 00:08:46,800 It has the potential to link the suspect and the victim. 113 00:08:47,630 --> 00:08:49,450 But it's a massively challenging scene. 114 00:08:50,490 --> 00:08:56,190 It's got not just water, but flowing water, which could wash away DNA. 115 00:09:02,610 --> 00:09:09,310 Time is essential. 116 00:09:09,650 --> 00:09:14,190 The longer it's outstanding, if it's exposed to the elements, can reduce the 117 00:09:14,190 --> 00:09:15,810 forensic evidence that's recovered. 118 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:25,340 a knife that on its own may not be small but hidden in the park and becomes 119 00:09:25,340 --> 00:09:26,340 a needle in a haystack. 120 00:09:40,750 --> 00:09:45,690 Leo Ross's many friends left flowers and messages near to the park where he was 121 00:09:45,690 --> 00:09:47,710 fatally stabbed after school yesterday. 122 00:09:48,530 --> 00:09:53,650 A family member described him as the most beautiful, kind child, funny, sweet 123 00:09:53,650 --> 00:09:55,930 and without an aggressive bone in his body. 124 00:09:58,810 --> 00:10:01,310 The community impact of this offence is massive. 125 00:10:02,330 --> 00:10:07,030 As 12 -year -olds being stabbed in these circumstances I think puts fear in 126 00:10:07,030 --> 00:10:08,030 everyone's heart. 127 00:10:08,910 --> 00:10:10,890 Everyone thinks this could have been my child. 128 00:10:11,890 --> 00:10:12,890 Tragic, really. 129 00:10:15,270 --> 00:10:16,270 Yeah, 130 00:10:16,810 --> 00:10:17,810 it's awful. 131 00:10:20,270 --> 00:10:25,850 Leo has had his whole life taken from him, so we will stop at nothing to 132 00:10:25,850 --> 00:10:28,090 identify who carried out Leo's murder. 133 00:10:39,500 --> 00:10:45,140 We've got over 200 CCTV locations with many, many hours of CCTV footage at each 134 00:10:45,140 --> 00:10:46,140 of those locations. 135 00:10:46,460 --> 00:10:53,120 As footage starts coming in, CCTV analyst Andy MacDonald is tasked with 136 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,500 through it to pinpoint Leo's last known movement. 137 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,300 We want to find Leo because we want to ascertain if there's any other 138 00:11:01,300 --> 00:11:04,620 interaction during his route which may... 139 00:11:05,070 --> 00:11:11,090 have been a precursor that that led to to what happened unfortunately a lot of 140 00:11:11,090 --> 00:11:15,690 the school kids were wearing the same uniform yeah the same backpack even the 141 00:11:15,690 --> 00:11:22,330 same coat so we've just got this new ai software which allows us to review 142 00:11:22,330 --> 00:11:28,550 vast quantities of cctv footage in very short times and review the findings 143 00:11:28,550 --> 00:11:33,350 using advanced facial recognition 144 00:11:34,170 --> 00:11:39,290 Andy can scour hundreds of hours of footage across multiple cameras in just 145 00:11:39,290 --> 00:11:40,290 few minutes. 146 00:11:40,970 --> 00:11:47,750 For me, it's a game changer and it's got a function where you can upload imagery 147 00:11:47,750 --> 00:11:52,950 of individuals and ask the system to look for that person. 148 00:11:54,230 --> 00:11:56,570 So that's the image of Leo. 149 00:11:58,150 --> 00:12:02,310 So I'm now going to click on that clip. 150 00:12:05,339 --> 00:12:08,960 And it's brought back this sighting of this individual. 151 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:16,580 And then he momentarily looks back at the camera and it's picked up somebody 152 00:12:16,580 --> 00:12:18,960 that I believe is Leo. 153 00:12:23,580 --> 00:12:24,580 Well, that's unbelievable. 154 00:12:24,740 --> 00:12:29,060 With his hood up, it's hard to recognise him. It's really quite impressive. 155 00:12:29,300 --> 00:12:33,280 If I had to view that footage, it would take me two days, three days to view. 156 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:40,200 and i may or may not have found something of relevance it's helped us to 157 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:44,840 identify leo leaving school where he sort of does a course turn towards the 158 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:51,600 camera so that is a split second where only part of his face is visible and the 159 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:56,580 ai picked it up as being leo it gives me a clear direction of travel a really 160 00:12:56,580 --> 00:13:01,920 useful tool to help me focus my search from that momentary 161 00:13:02,780 --> 00:13:04,520 look back towards the camera. 162 00:13:05,540 --> 00:13:09,760 That's now given me a time for when Leo leaves the school. 163 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,960 Andy is now able to trace the young boy's journey towards the park. 164 00:13:21,620 --> 00:13:25,940 So he's walked down Ravens Hill Road, crossed the road. 165 00:13:31,550 --> 00:13:37,850 Along Priory Road, turning right into Scribers Lane, and then 166 00:13:37,850 --> 00:13:40,770 he goes into where the offence occurred. 167 00:13:42,670 --> 00:13:45,590 So that's our last sighting at 1510. 168 00:13:47,010 --> 00:13:52,090 The CCTV shows that he wasn't with anyone and he doesn't appear to have had 169 00:13:52,090 --> 00:13:54,870 conversation or disagreement with anyone on the way to the park. 170 00:13:55,510 --> 00:13:58,490 But there's no CCTV within the park itself. 171 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:00,800 I don't know what happened. 172 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:10,300 The post -mortem examination was able to reveal a stab wound to the front of the 173 00:14:10,300 --> 00:14:16,600 abdomen. Drew has received details of Leo's post -mortem, which may offer 174 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,740 as to how the attack unfolded. 175 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,840 It passed through skin muscle and entered the abdominal cavity. 176 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,660 It then terminated at the spine. 177 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:35,540 Once an artery's been cut in such a severe manner, it's very 178 00:14:35,540 --> 00:14:37,320 difficult to come back from that. 179 00:14:38,020 --> 00:14:42,200 The features of the stab wound are in keeping with the use of a single -edged 180 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,060 cutting implement such as a knife. 181 00:14:44,460 --> 00:14:46,960 No obvious serrated features were noted. 182 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:53,080 We're looking at a smooth -bladed, medium -length knife with the wound 183 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,940 around about 8cm deep. 184 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,800 It's going to be a kitchen knife. 185 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,380 No defensive type injuries were noted. 186 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:06,500 Normally when we see defensive wounds, they'll be on the hands, on the 187 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,440 if they raise their arms to protect themselves. 188 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,140 So it could mean that Leo didn't even know the attack was coming. 189 00:15:24,220 --> 00:15:26,920 Armed with a description of the likely murder weapon. 190 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:32,660 50 officers have now been deployed to focus the search across one kilometre of 191 00:15:32,660 --> 00:15:33,660 parkland. 192 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,300 Coordinated by Senior Search Officer Brian Statham. 193 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:50,220 It can appear overwhelming to start with, but what I do is I will break the 194 00:15:50,220 --> 00:15:53,240 area into smaller sections, what we call sectorising. 195 00:15:54,250 --> 00:15:57,590 and we won't move on to other areas until each sector is done. 196 00:15:58,590 --> 00:16:01,030 You've got to be switched on to find it. 197 00:16:01,370 --> 00:16:04,850 You've got to realise why you're doing it. You're looking for something that 198 00:16:04,850 --> 00:16:07,390 could potentially prosecute someone for a horrendous crime. 199 00:16:07,610 --> 00:16:10,850 If your child was involved, you'd want that for your children. 200 00:16:13,870 --> 00:16:16,870 In terms of the water search, that's all being searched. 201 00:16:17,130 --> 00:16:18,950 Are you just wading into it, are you? Is it that deep? 202 00:16:19,170 --> 00:16:21,650 The problem with liquid is it's really, really thick. 203 00:16:22,540 --> 00:16:29,120 Because if you have a dive team... A specialist dive team moved in to conduct 204 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:33,300 fingertip search of the river, starting nearest to the crime scene. 205 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:47,520 Hiding something in such a vast 206 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,620 area is very easy for an offender to do. 207 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,920 But you've got to remember, they will probably be in a state of panic. 208 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,260 So they won't think. Like a normal person, they'll want to get rid of it as 209 00:16:58,260 --> 00:17:00,380 quickly as possible and they will make mistakes. 210 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:02,460 And that's when we will find it. 211 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:13,319 So this is a bit of officer body cam footage. 212 00:17:14,819 --> 00:17:17,260 This is where they have actually found Leo then? 213 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:19,280 Yeah. 214 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:27,119 Joe and DC James Noble review body cam from first responders to see who else 215 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,100 in the park at the time of the stabbing. 216 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,500 This is horrendous, isn't it? 217 00:17:32,940 --> 00:17:33,940 Yeah. 218 00:17:35,940 --> 00:17:40,400 Leo was discovered quite soon after he was stabbed, which means that people 219 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:41,660 weren't far away when this took place. 220 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:46,300 There's a window of time where we can identify all of the different people who 221 00:17:46,300 --> 00:17:47,300 were there. 222 00:17:48,140 --> 00:17:49,220 We've got two lads. 223 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,820 who are about his sort of age, need to understand who are they to him, how does 224 00:17:53,820 --> 00:17:57,040 he know them, and has there been any issues between them previously? 225 00:18:01,740 --> 00:18:05,740 So this lad just said he's the one who found him? 226 00:18:06,020 --> 00:18:07,420 Yeah, this kid on the bike. 227 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:16,460 So he's somehow raised the alarm with other members of the public, hasn't he? 228 00:18:18,350 --> 00:18:22,150 So just to confirm, you've been riding along here around three -ish. 229 00:18:22,690 --> 00:18:25,870 Was it three bang on or was it after three? Because it's now near to four. 230 00:18:26,250 --> 00:18:29,930 Can't really remember, but I didn't touch him because that could put me in 231 00:18:29,930 --> 00:18:30,930 case. 232 00:18:31,950 --> 00:18:33,910 What did he say? It could put me in the case? 233 00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:36,610 Yeah, I haven't touched him because that could put me in your case. 234 00:18:36,930 --> 00:18:39,590 It's not the first thing you'd think when you've come across someone who's 235 00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:40,590 stabbed. 236 00:18:42,190 --> 00:18:45,230 The young boy looks really, really shocked, doesn't he? Mm. 237 00:18:45,910 --> 00:18:47,390 But you contrast that with... 238 00:18:47,690 --> 00:18:48,750 the older lad on the bike. 239 00:18:49,930 --> 00:18:51,710 The lad on the bike stands out to me. 240 00:18:51,910 --> 00:18:55,890 Some people have engaged in CPR, some people are phoning 999 for the ambulance 241 00:18:55,890 --> 00:19:01,290 service, whereas the lad on the bike appears to be sitting back, watching 242 00:19:01,290 --> 00:19:02,269 taking place. 243 00:19:02,270 --> 00:19:03,270 Stop a sec, lad. 244 00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:04,690 Stop a sec before me. 245 00:19:05,010 --> 00:19:06,150 You've just come through here. 246 00:19:06,430 --> 00:19:07,810 I asked him for my lad to go, he said, yeah. 247 00:19:08,430 --> 00:19:09,550 He wants to get off, doesn't he? 248 00:19:10,030 --> 00:19:12,670 And also then trying to get away from the scene as quickly as he can. 249 00:19:13,010 --> 00:19:16,090 He drove past here, apparently, and seen him on the floor stop. 250 00:19:24,220 --> 00:19:25,480 He's dressed in all black. 251 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:27,880 He's wearing gloves. 252 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,320 And he said he's 14. 253 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,000 Why isn't he at school himself? 254 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,660 We need to know a lot more about him. 255 00:19:35,660 --> 00:19:39,060 Before leaving the scene, the teenager gave his details. 256 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:48,180 The detectives check the police national computer to see whether he is known to 257 00:19:48,180 --> 00:19:49,180 police. 258 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:56,700 It looks like in January last year, he's attempted to assault police officers at 259 00:19:56,700 --> 00:20:00,140 the school that he attended at the time. Obviously, it looks like since then 260 00:20:00,140 --> 00:20:01,140 he's been expelled. 261 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:07,320 It says that he's assaulted some kind of family therapist who he's working with 262 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,820 in the park, so in the exact same location. 263 00:20:11,139 --> 00:20:13,000 He's the standout person, isn't he, at the moment? 264 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:14,240 Yeah. 265 00:20:14,660 --> 00:20:19,360 For me, based on the information that we've got, his propensity for violence, 266 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,440 the other history of assault, in the exact same location, and the absence of 267 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,740 other clear suspect at this moment, the old lad on the bike, for me, has to be a 268 00:20:27,740 --> 00:20:28,880 suspect and he has to be arrested. 269 00:20:31,340 --> 00:20:34,780 Joe orders the immediate arrest of the 14 -year -old. 270 00:20:39,060 --> 00:20:40,240 Hello, the police. 271 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:41,640 Where is he? 272 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,000 Whereabouts is he, mate? 273 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:44,640 Come here. 274 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:46,800 Put your hands out. You're more than due at rest. 275 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:49,860 Dad, turn my PlayStation on. 276 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:56,960 I'm going to pat you down on the ear, mate. 277 00:20:58,820 --> 00:21:05,480 You've been arrested. 278 00:21:06,380 --> 00:21:07,660 Big offence, mate, that is. 279 00:21:08,170 --> 00:21:09,890 And your reaction to that is a smile. 280 00:21:12,330 --> 00:21:13,570 Someone's died, haven't they? 281 00:21:13,910 --> 00:21:18,390 Stop moving him. 282 00:21:19,710 --> 00:21:21,190 Stick your finger up where you want. 283 00:21:21,690 --> 00:21:22,710 You're mature, are you? 284 00:21:30,010 --> 00:21:34,430 Specialist officers conduct a search of the teenager's home, looking for any 285 00:21:34,430 --> 00:21:35,490 items of interest. 286 00:21:37,870 --> 00:21:42,110 What I really need is that key piece of forensic evidence which ties him to the 287 00:21:42,110 --> 00:21:43,110 offence. 288 00:21:44,570 --> 00:21:48,430 Clothing and footwear are going to be your best opportunity for a forensic 289 00:21:48,530 --> 00:21:55,250 but also the murder weapon, finding the suspect's phone, any electronic devices, 290 00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:58,330 whether that be a laptop or any other games console. 291 00:22:00,330 --> 00:22:04,550 Was he communicating with the victim or other people discussing the offence? 292 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:13,180 Although they find no mobile phone or potential murder weapon, the suspect's 293 00:22:13,180 --> 00:22:17,820 clothing and PlayStation are seized and will be sent to the major crime lab. 294 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,920 Oh, by the way, the clothes I was wearing earlier have changed. 295 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,400 So we're not going to get anything off those clothes. Okay. 296 00:22:34,780 --> 00:22:37,820 Even in the ones in my room, you ain't going to get nothing off them because 297 00:22:37,820 --> 00:22:38,820 they ain't done nothing. 298 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:46,480 What's he been arrested for? 299 00:22:46,540 --> 00:22:48,600 He was arrested for murder. 300 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,960 When getting arrested for the murder, he started smiling. 301 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,020 He stated, you won't get nothing off these clothes. 302 00:23:07,540 --> 00:23:11,440 He's been smirking and making comments to officers who've arrested him. 303 00:23:12,460 --> 00:23:16,400 It may be that he finds it amusing because he knows that he hasn't done 304 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,340 anything, or it may be that actually he's goading the police and he's getting 305 00:23:20,340 --> 00:23:21,380 some kind of kick out of this. 306 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:34,420 Swabs are taken from the teenager to obtain his DNA and the clothes he's 307 00:23:34,420 --> 00:23:35,420 are seized. 308 00:23:37,580 --> 00:23:41,920 A suspect in custody is considered a crime scene. 309 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:47,240 They can hold forensic evidence that can link them to a victim of crime. 310 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:53,880 If the victim has grabbed suspect clothing and there was a cellular 311 00:23:53,980 --> 00:23:56,840 that touched DNA can stick with him for some time. 312 00:24:16,490 --> 00:24:20,170 At the moment, we don't know what weapon was used, and that is still 313 00:24:20,170 --> 00:24:21,170 outstanding. 314 00:24:21,410 --> 00:24:26,790 With a limited time to hold a juvenile in custody without charge, Drew and Joe 315 00:24:26,790 --> 00:24:28,470 run through the forensic priorities. 316 00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:34,350 From the inquiries we've conducted so far, it doesn't look like Leo and the 317 00:24:34,350 --> 00:24:35,510 suspect knew each other. 318 00:24:35,810 --> 00:24:39,870 No communication with phones, no electronic communication, nothing like 319 00:24:40,190 --> 00:24:44,450 So we haven't recovered a phone from the suspect, and according to family, he 320 00:24:44,450 --> 00:24:45,450 doesn't have one. 321 00:24:46,060 --> 00:24:47,060 Leo's phone is outstanding. 322 00:24:47,300 --> 00:24:51,160 We do know he has one, but it hasn't been recovered yet. 323 00:24:51,780 --> 00:24:57,820 In the body -worn video, he's wearing dark clothing and he's arrested in dark 324 00:24:57,820 --> 00:25:01,180 clothing as well. So there's a possibility it's the same clothing. 325 00:25:01,380 --> 00:25:03,160 And it's a screening job for blood on the clothing. 326 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:08,720 I think any link that can be, particularly blood between the two 327 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,140 we've got to look at first and foremost, don't we? Yeah. 328 00:25:13,300 --> 00:25:14,300 I'm really... 329 00:25:14,380 --> 00:25:19,380 struggling at the moment to find any link between the suspect and the victim. 330 00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:26,100 The maximum amount of time I have is 96 hours to gain enough evidence to get a 331 00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:30,720 charging decision from the PPS, which when you consider the area which needs 332 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:35,360 be searched and how long forensic testing takes, it puts me under a lot of 333 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:36,360 pressure. 334 00:25:49,710 --> 00:25:54,690 The suspect's jacket has been fast -tracked for inspection by forensic 335 00:25:54,690 --> 00:25:55,690 Bo Mitchell. 336 00:25:57,430 --> 00:26:02,310 So I'm just searching to see if there's any staining that looks like it could be 337 00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:03,310 blood. 338 00:26:03,650 --> 00:26:07,530 We're hoping to potentially find victim's blood on here. 339 00:26:10,010 --> 00:26:14,330 This jacket is a particularly hard item to search, just as... 340 00:26:14,620 --> 00:26:19,380 It's very dark, especially when searching for blood. In the seams, the 341 00:26:19,380 --> 00:26:20,380 is black as well. 342 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,580 Any staining may be sort of hiding in between the seams. 343 00:26:28,820 --> 00:26:33,460 We know that our victim has received a single stab wound. 344 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:41,660 And you don't always get the blood loss from the victim that you might do from 345 00:26:41,660 --> 00:26:42,660 an extended attack. 346 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,760 I can see a stain that looks like it could be blood. 347 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:58,980 So I'm just grabbing a filter paper and test this red -brown stain to see if it 348 00:26:58,980 --> 00:26:59,980 could be blood. 349 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:14,740 Bo uses a chemical mixture to check for haemoglobin found in blood. 350 00:27:15,630 --> 00:27:18,310 If there's no pink reaction, then I know that it's negative. 351 00:27:27,090 --> 00:27:30,670 And there's no pink reaction, so it's not blood. 352 00:27:39,150 --> 00:27:44,910 It's disappointing that the jacket hasn't produced any forensic results. 353 00:27:46,510 --> 00:27:51,970 A check of the teenager's shoes, worn at the time of his arrest, also reveals 354 00:27:51,970 --> 00:27:52,990 nothing of note. 355 00:27:53,810 --> 00:28:00,530 We still have a lot of work to do, so we need to look at further evidence 356 00:28:00,530 --> 00:28:07,430 to prove or disprove that our suspect was responsible for 357 00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:08,430 the murder of Leo. 358 00:28:09,970 --> 00:28:14,630 Whilst officers question Leo's school friends for any connection between the 359 00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:17,910 boys... The 14 -year -old is brought in for interview. 360 00:28:21,090 --> 00:28:23,270 So you can rest on suspicion for murder. 361 00:28:23,710 --> 00:28:25,530 I'll just read out the statement. 362 00:28:26,290 --> 00:28:29,490 I wish to say I'm 14 years of age. 363 00:28:29,890 --> 00:28:35,150 I'm diagnosed with ADHD, ODD, anxiety and attachment disorder. 364 00:28:36,210 --> 00:28:38,310 I'm also on the autism spectrum. 365 00:28:38,530 --> 00:28:42,130 I was diagnosed with the above conditions around the age of six. 366 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,200 I'm also under the care of numerous mental health services. 367 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,040 I would answer no comment or remain silent due to my condition. 368 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,080 Interviewing a juvenile does increase the complexities and the challenges of 369 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:02,040 this case. He's a 14 -year -old child himself, but he still got to account as 370 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:02,919 why he was there. 371 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,580 Does he know Leo? Have they got any history together? 372 00:29:09,460 --> 00:29:14,800 The person that died, with a young boy by the name of Leo Ross. 373 00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:20,800 Had you had any issues with them? 374 00:29:23,740 --> 00:29:30,280 Were you in the path that is off Priory Lane and Scribers Lane on the afternoon 375 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,440 of the 21st of January between, say, three and four in the afternoon? 376 00:29:36,540 --> 00:29:38,820 Were you carrying a knife? 377 00:29:41,550 --> 00:29:44,390 Was it a case that you've seen Noah being attacked, but it wasn't you? 378 00:29:47,130 --> 00:29:49,710 This is the body -worn video. 379 00:29:52,670 --> 00:29:59,650 What did you mean by 380 00:29:59,650 --> 00:30:00,650 that? 381 00:30:03,270 --> 00:30:05,750 Why wouldn't you want to touch him to help him? 382 00:30:10,510 --> 00:30:14,770 So at this moment in time, I've only got circumstantial evidence. I know the 383 00:30:14,770 --> 00:30:18,730 suspect was in the park and I know he was acting unusually. He hasn't provided 384 00:30:18,730 --> 00:30:22,410 an account in interview, but there could be numerous different explanations as 385 00:30:22,410 --> 00:30:23,249 to why that is. 386 00:30:23,250 --> 00:30:28,070 It could be that actually he knows something, but he didn't commit the 387 00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:31,790 and he's covering for someone else or he may be in fear of the person who 388 00:30:31,790 --> 00:30:33,110 actually stabbed Leo. 389 00:30:33,730 --> 00:30:37,670 I need that key piece of information, that key forensic link. 390 00:30:38,949 --> 00:30:42,910 which tells me that the suspect is connected to the offence and it's more 391 00:30:42,910 --> 00:30:46,370 just his strange behaviour and the fact that he fell to account as to why he was 392 00:30:46,370 --> 00:30:47,370 there. 393 00:30:52,350 --> 00:30:53,350 Morning, everyone. 394 00:30:55,090 --> 00:30:58,510 We still need to establish any connection between the suspect and the 395 00:31:00,230 --> 00:31:04,370 The current belief and assumption is that the suspect doesn't have a mobile 396 00:31:04,370 --> 00:31:07,130 phone and doesn't have a handset and doesn't have a mobile phone number, etc. 397 00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:12,400 With no phone retrieved from either boy, Joe is still searching for anything 398 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:13,560 that may connect them. 399 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,780 We have the suspect's PlayStation. 400 00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:21,180 In terms of the PlayStation, it's just for any possibility of communication 401 00:31:21,180 --> 00:31:24,400 between them or if they knew each other online. 402 00:31:24,740 --> 00:31:28,480 It's a long shot, but I imagine it's quite hard because they're quite 403 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:29,600 aren't they? 404 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:44,960 The suspect's PlayStation is sent to digital forensics officer, Bernie 405 00:31:45,100 --> 00:31:46,100 to access. 406 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,400 Certain people do actually communicate quite a lot through consoles, 407 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,160 particularly as consoles start to gain the capability to have more and more 408 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,160 information on them. 409 00:31:57,740 --> 00:32:03,020 With this particular device, we've got a Bluetooth dongle in the front of it. 410 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,180 It could be used to connect a mouse or keyboard that's wireless. 411 00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:13,020 The presence of a dongle for a keyboard suggests the teenager may have used the 412 00:32:13,020 --> 00:32:14,540 game's console for messaging. 413 00:32:16,380 --> 00:32:22,540 Modern consoles are different to when I was a kid. When I was a kid, you'd put 414 00:32:22,540 --> 00:32:24,640 the cartridge in, you'd turn it on and you'd play the game. 415 00:32:24,940 --> 00:32:30,040 But now, they're quite sophisticated. You have communication capabilities, 416 00:32:30,540 --> 00:32:36,960 voice, video and text, and that information can be retrieved. 417 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,940 So that can be a very useful piece of forensic evidence. 418 00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:50,540 Well, that's quite rare that you get a password at this stage. 419 00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:54,520 Unless, you know, they are quite sensitive of their privacy. 420 00:32:55,020 --> 00:32:58,660 The suspect has password protected the entire device. 421 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,780 This PlayStation has far more encryption than most devices. 422 00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:07,680 So it does get you thinking. 423 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,400 You know, what is the reason for these extra layers of security? 424 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:18,100 It might mean that they are trying to obfuscate criminal activity or evidence 425 00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:20,740 that would potentially implicate them in an offence. 426 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,680 OK, let's see how this goes. 427 00:33:26,580 --> 00:33:27,140 All 428 00:33:27,140 --> 00:33:34,380 right. 429 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:36,940 Let's try... 430 00:33:42,570 --> 00:33:45,590 Yeah, sometimes it can take a little while. 431 00:33:49,870 --> 00:33:54,670 After three attempts, Bernie risks being locked out of the machine permanently 432 00:33:54,670 --> 00:33:55,810 if he continues. 433 00:33:56,850 --> 00:34:00,350 Four -digit PIN, I've tried his date of birth, that's not worked. 434 00:34:00,590 --> 00:34:04,530 I've not got any other information really to get any further password and I 435 00:34:04,530 --> 00:34:05,730 don't know how many attempts I've got. 436 00:34:07,330 --> 00:34:11,949 This password was put on before they were arrested and if it's released. 437 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,560 Before we get access to it, that may then allow him to delete any evidence 438 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:17,359 the device. 439 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,860 So it's very time -sensitive. 440 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,260 There is a PlayStation that's been seized from your home address. 441 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,020 All I'm asking here is, if you're willing to, disclose the password or PIN 442 00:34:30,020 --> 00:34:31,020 unlock the device. 443 00:34:32,620 --> 00:34:33,760 No, it goes in it. 444 00:34:45,290 --> 00:34:49,409 We looked at it there, and on the tip, it was almost like a discolouration. 445 00:34:49,610 --> 00:34:51,389 It was almost like brown or red. 446 00:34:52,850 --> 00:34:57,530 The team searching the crime scene have made a discovery close to the park's 447 00:34:57,530 --> 00:34:58,530 perimeter. 448 00:35:03,170 --> 00:35:06,990 It looks like a black -handled kitchen knife. 449 00:35:08,050 --> 00:35:10,850 Difficult to see if there's any marks. I'll just photograph it there. 450 00:35:15,380 --> 00:35:18,020 Photographs of the knife are sent for Drew to inspect. 451 00:35:21,860 --> 00:35:26,560 Black -handled knife with approximately 13 centimetre blade. 452 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,200 The knife isn't in the best state. 453 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:35,080 A bit of twig and foliage has fallen over it. That could be due to it being 454 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,120 thrown and these arms have just been flicked on top of it. 455 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,680 The end of the knife has got the sharp tip missing. 456 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,980 which could suggest it's been damaged while being used. 457 00:35:49,420 --> 00:35:54,400 You sometimes see that when you hit a pelvis or another large bone and just 458 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,500 end of the blade snaps off. 459 00:35:57,020 --> 00:36:01,840 The knife will be fast -tracked to check for any fingerprints or DNA belonging 460 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,300 to either the suspect or the victim. 461 00:36:04,740 --> 00:36:05,740 There we go. 462 00:36:11,210 --> 00:36:15,950 On the screen, we have all the cameras that I've uploaded in relation to this 463 00:36:15,950 --> 00:36:16,950 operation. 464 00:36:18,070 --> 00:36:24,690 Andy has now gathered a total of 5 ,000 hours of CCTV from 200 separate 465 00:36:24,690 --> 00:36:26,210 cameras around the park. 466 00:36:27,490 --> 00:36:33,370 This is a mixture of motion detection, ring doorbell -type cameras, as well as 467 00:36:33,370 --> 00:36:35,130 full downloads from a number of locations. 468 00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:40,470 What we'll hopefully be able to do is demonstrate that if the suspect goes 469 00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:42,070 that he doesn't leave. 470 00:36:42,650 --> 00:36:48,010 He begins to look for anyone matching the suspect's description on the day of 471 00:36:48,010 --> 00:36:49,010 the murder. 472 00:36:50,350 --> 00:36:56,870 So the suspect in relation to this case was on a mountain bike and was in all 473 00:36:56,870 --> 00:37:02,230 dark clothing with a hooded top so we can put a two -wheeled bike. 474 00:37:03,610 --> 00:37:08,130 The AI will then review the CCTV footage that's been uploaded 475 00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:14,040 identify what it thinks is a potential person on a bike. 476 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,460 Clicking on any of these icons enables me to review the original footage, 477 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,020 whether I think that is a person of note or is potentially the suspect. 478 00:37:24,220 --> 00:37:28,600 So that person has similar features in terms of dark clothing. 479 00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:32,700 But that's not my suspect. 480 00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:36,800 Maybe even this one, let's have a look at that one as well. 481 00:37:37,220 --> 00:37:38,740 It's got that look of him anyway. 482 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,400 No, it's not. 483 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,600 I don't think the bike is right for that one. No. 484 00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:52,700 Yeah, 485 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,000 that's him. 486 00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:59,400 Suspect. 487 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:00,800 Amazing. 488 00:38:01,260 --> 00:38:06,460 Having identified the suspect, Andy can now track his movements in real time. 489 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,980 So this is the entrance to the area where the offence occurred. 490 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:17,260 And it's now showing anybody that crosses that line which is into where 491 00:38:17,260 --> 00:38:20,120 offence occurred and looking for persons on bikes. 492 00:38:22,140 --> 00:38:25,460 And I've got a sighting here of my suspect. 493 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:32,400 Now I know that the suspect goes into where the offence occurred at about ten 494 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,400 three. 495 00:38:37,390 --> 00:38:41,910 And then we can see on that CCTV footage, he doesn't come out then until 496 00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:42,910 gone full. 497 00:38:43,470 --> 00:38:49,830 The CCTV shows the suspect enter the park 20 minutes before Leo and 498 00:38:49,830 --> 00:38:53,190 only leave after police have arrived. 499 00:38:55,410 --> 00:38:59,110 But there's still no forensic proof that he's the killer. 500 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:06,980 Visual search for blood conducted. 501 00:39:07,460 --> 00:39:14,440 Handle's been preserved for fingerprints and cellular DNA taken from the sharp 502 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,440 edge of the blade. 503 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:21,180 At forensic headquarters, Drew receives the completed results for the knife 504 00:39:21,180 --> 00:39:22,280 found in the park. 505 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:24,960 Light source negative. 506 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:26,800 Laser's negative. 507 00:39:27,020 --> 00:39:28,020 UV. 508 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,180 No ridge detail. 509 00:39:32,980 --> 00:39:34,440 Everything's come back negative. 510 00:39:35,630 --> 00:39:36,810 I don't think that's the weapon. 511 00:39:41,310 --> 00:39:43,350 No, I think we've still got an outstanding knife. 512 00:39:47,770 --> 00:39:51,150 The result on the knife is disappointing. 513 00:39:51,790 --> 00:39:56,070 We have minimal forensic results at this point. 514 00:39:56,610 --> 00:40:01,810 There's no spin you can put on it, so we still need to find that connection 515 00:40:01,810 --> 00:40:03,530 between suspect and victim. 516 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,300 Okay, so we've managed to get the password for this device. 517 00:40:14,740 --> 00:40:19,620 After being approached by police, the suspect's family has agreed to hand over 518 00:40:19,620 --> 00:40:21,520 the PIN code for his games console. 519 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:30,220 With this particular device, it's got a lot of cloud -based data, so we're going 520 00:40:30,220 --> 00:40:34,620 to connect it to the internet to access PlayStation servers and get the messages 521 00:40:34,620 --> 00:40:35,620 from there. 522 00:40:37,820 --> 00:40:40,660 What I'm going to have to do now is what we call an account takeover. 523 00:40:42,220 --> 00:40:46,540 With a PlayStation, all of the data will be stored on PlayStation servers. 524 00:40:47,540 --> 00:40:51,700 That sends what we call crowd -based information, which means I can't just 525 00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:56,200 download the content. We have to look at it live, and we have to look at it 526 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:57,200 quickly. 527 00:40:58,460 --> 00:41:01,980 I'm actually online right now. I don't want anyone to become aware of my 528 00:41:01,980 --> 00:41:02,980 presence on the device. 529 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:08,340 So the first thing I'm going to do as quick as I can is appear offline before 530 00:41:08,340 --> 00:41:12,360 somebody decides to lock me out or delete any messages. 531 00:41:14,540 --> 00:41:18,360 I can already see the thousands of messages on here. 532 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,940 Bernie starts filtering all messaging over a six -month period prior to the 533 00:41:24,940 --> 00:41:25,940 murder. 534 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,080 From the context of this conversation, it looks like potentially... 535 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,160 This is his girlfriend. 536 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,680 Young people tend to live far more of their lives online. 537 00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:48,700 I can see that there's lots of normal, ordinary teenage communication. 538 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:53,760 You know, inviting people to play various games, group chats with 20 539 00:41:54,220 --> 00:41:59,260 And it's my job to determine what's normal and what's relevant to the 540 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:02,920 So there's one here. 541 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:04,980 Sort of a vague threat. 542 00:42:05,820 --> 00:42:08,600 He's referring to someone being stabbed. 543 00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:14,300 He says it was one of his friends. He's going to find the person that did it and 544 00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:16,900 do the same to him, stab him. 545 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,580 Any kind of messages like that that have references to violence are obviously 546 00:42:24,580 --> 00:42:25,580 going to be relevant. 547 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:31,260 They obviously don't prove the offence on their own, but we're kind of trying 548 00:42:31,260 --> 00:42:32,260 build a picture. 549 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,160 of the suspect's character as well to prove the offence. 550 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:41,440 Bernie spots a conversation with the same friend, dating back months before 551 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,440 was stabbed. 552 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,780 So I can also see that he said, I'm going to go to prison because I'm going 553 00:42:47,780 --> 00:42:50,880 kill my therapist, because he's annoying. 554 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,900 He then goes on to share some understanding of what the sentences are 555 00:42:57,900 --> 00:43:00,860 murder in the UK, as if he has... 556 00:43:01,270 --> 00:43:02,290 Looked into it before. 557 00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:07,650 She said she's not going to let him kill his therapist. 558 00:43:15,150 --> 00:43:17,990 She then mentioned that he's going out to kill someone now. 559 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,460 Looking through this message, it can be hard to decipher what is this general 560 00:43:32,460 --> 00:43:33,460 teenage bravado. 561 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,560 Is that him trying to build himself up as this tough character? 562 00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:43,700 Or is that him actually going out, trying to find someone to stab? 563 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,600 But there's nothing here that indicates specifically towards Leo. 564 00:43:51,580 --> 00:43:53,200 And that's really the missing piece. 565 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,740 Sir, can you come and have a look at this, please? 566 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:08,020 Intelligence officer Derek Dolan has been looking into a spate of violent 567 00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:12,020 assaults in the same park, which may be relevant to the investigation. 568 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,480 We've got the offences from Leo on the 21st, and then we've got three other 569 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,400 offences within the three -day period before Leo, and they all involve the use 570 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,100 of a bike. It's a black bike. 571 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,840 So the first offence, which is two days before Leo's murder. This one here is 572 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:29,840 Leo's murder? 573 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,800 By the way, yeah. And the one just below it is the... So how far is that then? 574 00:44:34,340 --> 00:44:35,920 It's approximately 50 metres. 575 00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:39,360 82 -year -old female, and she's been pushed from behind. 576 00:44:40,700 --> 00:44:44,160 She's fallen into the river. The offender has hit her multiple times. 577 00:44:44,420 --> 00:44:45,600 She's got a broken nose. 578 00:44:46,380 --> 00:44:48,400 She's got swelling and bruising to the face. 579 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,020 The next offence was the following day. There was a female walking on her own. 580 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,300 The male has knocked her down from behind. 581 00:44:59,220 --> 00:45:03,120 Third offence. Again, a lone female, 69 years of age. 582 00:45:03,340 --> 00:45:05,400 He pushed her and she screamed. 583 00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:08,780 She said that he turned around and he smiled at her. 584 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,020 This was only about half an hour before Leo's murder. 585 00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:17,500 It's just really strange, isn't it, the way in which these offences have taken 586 00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:21,880 place. From behind, like an unprovoked attack to vulnerable people on their 587 00:45:22,340 --> 00:45:24,000 And what was the... 588 00:45:24,410 --> 00:45:26,330 Description for each of them? 589 00:45:26,890 --> 00:45:28,270 For each of these offences. 590 00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:33,570 Description is a white male, mid -teens, black clothing on, on a pushbike. 591 00:45:34,330 --> 00:45:38,710 So no robbery, no kind of argument or dispute beforehand? 592 00:45:38,930 --> 00:45:41,110 That's right, yeah. No motive or anything like that. 593 00:45:41,890 --> 00:45:45,090 It's almost like he's going out hunting, looking for people to attack. 594 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:54,340 We've got footage for the 21st. We've pretty much got footage for the 19th and 595 00:45:54,340 --> 00:45:55,340 the 20th as well. 596 00:45:56,020 --> 00:46:02,300 The new evidence prompts Andy to expand his CCTV search to include the dates the 597 00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:05,920 teenager is suspected of carrying out the assaults in the park. 598 00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:11,380 So this is the fire team coming in to try to get the first victim pulled out 599 00:46:11,380 --> 00:46:12,380 the water. 600 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,960 A young kid has come, has ran down here and ran away. 601 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:27,080 We've also then got him coming back to sort of observe the emergency services 602 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,160 vehicles. Right. 603 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,280 So down here is the emergency services. 604 00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:37,100 So he's at the top of the road having a good look and he stays there for a 605 00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:40,540 little bit of time and then winds off again. Yeah. And he keeps coming back. 606 00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:43,400 So, and then he's coming back. Very contradictory behaviour, isn't it? Yeah. 607 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:44,400 demonstrates. 608 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:45,440 100%, yeah. 609 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:52,980 He's clearly got some kind of obsession or interest in relation to 610 00:46:52,980 --> 00:46:53,980 what's occurring. 611 00:46:55,320 --> 00:47:00,480 The behaviour of the suspect hanging around after the alarm is raised and all 612 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:05,000 the emergency services start to come in points out to me that he's perhaps 613 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:10,440 enjoying seeing the sort of chaos that he's created, which just demonstrates 614 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,440 dangerous he is. 615 00:47:12,490 --> 00:47:15,910 The new evidence is put to the 14 -year -old in interview. 616 00:47:17,310 --> 00:47:20,970 We've talked about the murder, but there's another incident that took place 617 00:47:20,970 --> 00:47:23,630 where a lady's being pushed over in the park. 618 00:47:24,270 --> 00:47:25,790 Do you know that person? 619 00:47:27,330 --> 00:47:28,330 No, no. 620 00:47:28,750 --> 00:47:33,350 She's ended up with two to three centimetre gashes on the right side of 621 00:47:33,350 --> 00:47:35,450 head, suspected fractured hip. 622 00:47:36,530 --> 00:47:39,390 Are you responsible for causing those injuries to her? 623 00:47:39,970 --> 00:47:41,670 Have you pushed them? No comment. 624 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:43,620 Have you kicked her? No comment. 625 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,220 So on the 19th of January, the lady was knocked into the water within the nature 626 00:47:49,220 --> 00:47:53,100 reserve, and the person hitting her said to her, I tried to drown you, and now 627 00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:54,460 I'm going to try and kill you instead. 628 00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:56,300 Did you hit her? 629 00:47:57,100 --> 00:47:58,100 No comment. 630 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,780 There doesn't appear to be any motive, and that makes the investigation harder. 631 00:48:06,820 --> 00:48:08,480 And I'm running out of time. 632 00:48:10,180 --> 00:48:15,460 The threshold... will be higher to charge a teenager for a murder obviously 633 00:48:15,460 --> 00:48:20,180 we're going to deprive that child liberty so we need to be really 634 00:48:20,180 --> 00:48:23,660 the evidence that we have and the cps need to be really confident that we have 635 00:48:23,660 --> 00:48:26,340 the right person before they take such an extreme measure 636 00:48:26,340 --> 00:48:33,300 i'll show you the actual footage 637 00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:38,260 which is on this computer let me see if we can get this to work 638 00:48:39,820 --> 00:48:45,200 Andy alerts Joe to footage he's discovered on a park camera recently 639 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,520 to target fly -tipping. 640 00:48:47,780 --> 00:48:54,440 Now, when he goes through at 15, 16, he's riding at a very slow pace, shall 641 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:55,440 say. 642 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:04,840 His next sighting of him, at 15, 28, he comes flying 643 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:05,840 round here. 644 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,180 He's at speed and he's having to put his foot down. 645 00:49:09,690 --> 00:49:15,570 to prevent himself possibly from skidding out or falling off because he 646 00:49:15,570 --> 00:49:17,350 around here at a real weight. OK, yeah. 647 00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:24,570 The camera briefly captured the 14 -year -old at 3 .28pm, 11 minutes 648 00:49:24,570 --> 00:49:28,170 before Leo's stabbing was reported to emergency services. 649 00:49:28,650 --> 00:49:32,930 So it's certainly possible that he's now committed the offence and this is when 650 00:49:32,930 --> 00:49:34,010 he's disposing of the knife. 651 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,400 Using the new footage, the search team are able to narrow down a route the 652 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,960 teenager may have taken to dump a weapon after committing the offence. 653 00:49:45,860 --> 00:49:51,660 If we get you down this pathway, then I'd like this bit concentrated on in 654 00:49:51,660 --> 00:49:54,440 he's thrown it over the water. 655 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,700 So if he was in a rush, it'd be a hasty throw, I think. 656 00:49:59,140 --> 00:50:04,120 He's been out of sight for a couple of minutes, so for me, that narrows down. 657 00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:07,940 a time frame of where he could be because you've got a factor in the 658 00:50:07,940 --> 00:50:11,380 you've got to get somewhere you've got to hide something and then he's got to 659 00:50:11,380 --> 00:50:18,280 cycle back brian orders the search of an area near a bridge where the suspect is 660 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:24,980 likely to have ridden past it's a bit foggy in some places be very careful 661 00:50:46,250 --> 00:50:48,230 Sarge, I think we've got a knife there. 662 00:51:00,730 --> 00:51:02,310 Yeah, it's like a kitchen knife. 663 00:51:02,850 --> 00:51:06,550 It's based in another island, literally to the right, and it's probably like 20 664 00:51:06,550 --> 00:51:08,410 metres there, and it's literally on the bank. 665 00:51:09,390 --> 00:51:10,390 How much is the blade? 666 00:51:15,530 --> 00:51:20,450 The recovery of the knife moves the investigation forward a massive amount. 667 00:51:21,230 --> 00:51:25,230 It's got the appearance of it being freshly discarded there. 668 00:51:25,770 --> 00:51:28,590 So where that grass pit is there, over this other side, it's in there. 669 00:51:30,290 --> 00:51:33,410 But it was outside, it wasn't located straight away. 670 00:51:33,770 --> 00:51:37,750 So there's a high potential for evidence to be destroyed. 671 00:51:39,330 --> 00:51:43,710 Only forensic analysis will determine whether we've got the right weapon. 672 00:52:06,350 --> 00:52:08,450 The first thing that I'll do is search for blood. 673 00:52:10,610 --> 00:52:16,470 We have to look in all of the grooves just to make sure we're not missing any 674 00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:17,470 areas. 675 00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:25,490 With a single stab wound, we will often find that the blood won't just settle on 676 00:52:25,490 --> 00:52:29,870 the blade. With the layers of clothing that Leo was wearing, the potential 677 00:52:29,870 --> 00:52:34,850 of the attack, the blade can often get cleaned from coming into contact with. 678 00:52:35,370 --> 00:52:42,150 the victim's clothing the top of the handle looks red brown 679 00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:46,370 so i'm going to test that first 680 00:52:46,370 --> 00:52:58,390 if 681 00:52:58,390 --> 00:53:01,650 we have blood present we will get a pink reaction 682 00:53:04,330 --> 00:53:05,330 That's negative. 683 00:53:07,550 --> 00:53:13,670 So at this point, I'm happy that the knife is negative for blood, so I can go 684 00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:15,290 ahead and sample for cellular. 685 00:53:17,310 --> 00:53:20,310 The lack of blood doesn't mean the lack of evidence. 686 00:53:22,190 --> 00:53:27,470 It may be that the visible blood has washed off, but there may still be trace 687 00:53:27,470 --> 00:53:30,310 DNA evidence left on the blade and the handle. 688 00:53:33,260 --> 00:53:38,220 So if you think about anything that you physically touch, there is always going 689 00:53:38,220 --> 00:53:39,360 to be a transfer of DNA. 690 00:53:40,820 --> 00:53:45,540 So in this case, obviously we're interested in how the knife will have 691 00:53:45,540 --> 00:53:52,540 handled. And if the individual has handled it without gloves, then 692 00:53:52,540 --> 00:53:58,340 there would be a transfer of any skin on their hands to the handle of the knife. 693 00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,400 Next, the sample is processed to extract DNA. 694 00:54:13,260 --> 00:54:18,120 This will give detectives a full profile they can compare with the suspect in 695 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:19,120 custody. 696 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,080 Hello, Judge Lamport. Are you Judge Drew from FSI? 697 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:33,120 The DNA profiling results have been fast -tracked to Drew. 698 00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:42,840 It's coming back a full profile on the blade and tip of the knife found to Leo 699 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:43,840 Ross. 700 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,920 So it's definitely the knife used then? 701 00:54:49,140 --> 00:54:52,280 Yeah, and the handle is coming back to our suspect. 702 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:53,640 Brilliant. 703 00:54:54,060 --> 00:54:58,600 And it's saying that it's at least a billion times more likely to be DNA 704 00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,040 contribution from our suspect. 705 00:55:02,220 --> 00:55:04,000 I think we've got our weapon there, mate. 706 00:55:04,540 --> 00:55:07,420 Great. That's a brilliant result, isn't it? Definitely, definitely. 707 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:15,020 The knife that was recovered contained DNA of Leo and DNA of the suspect. 708 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,640 It's a massive result for the investigation. 709 00:55:20,500 --> 00:55:23,720 It's a huge relief when you get a forensic hit like this. 710 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,800 It demonstrates that you have identified the right person, but not only that, 711 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,160 that you're now in a strong position to get justice for the victim and for his 712 00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:33,160 family. 713 00:55:45,009 --> 00:55:48,050 OK, I need to read something to you. It's quite important, all right? 714 00:55:48,890 --> 00:55:49,890 Come with me. 715 00:55:52,410 --> 00:55:53,790 You just stand there. 716 00:56:01,570 --> 00:56:04,910 The case was referred to the Crown Prosecution Service for a charging 717 00:56:05,110 --> 00:56:09,310 They've come back with several charges that I've got to read out to you, OK? So 718 00:56:09,310 --> 00:56:13,270 you were charged with the following on the 21st of January at Triffid Mill 719 00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,080 You murdered Leo Ross, contrary to common law. 720 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,640 Do you wish to make any reply? 721 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,660 OK. You'll be escorted back to your cell by these officers. 722 00:56:29,380 --> 00:56:35,080 Along with murder, the teenager is also charged with three counts of grievous 723 00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,740 bodily harm in relation to the other assaults in the park. 724 00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:59,860 When something like this happens, and it's a child murdering a child, it's 725 00:56:59,860 --> 00:57:01,780 difficult to make any sense of it. 726 00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:09,500 Knowing the history of the offender previous to the murder of Leo, I would 727 00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:14,800 there is a very strong chance he would have continued to offend if he wasn't 728 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,440 caught and arrested. 729 00:57:33,460 --> 00:57:36,540 The offender is a 14 -year -old child himself. 730 00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:42,280 It's clear to me that he wasn't of a sound mental state, not just immediately 731 00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,740 before Leo's murder, but probably for quite a few years in his life. 732 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,300 Unfortunately, I think we're seeing it more and more in society where there 733 00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:55,380 doesn't appear to be a motive and it is just down to the person's mental health. 734 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,020 So this is a really tragic case. 735 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,460 The 12 -year -old boy has lost his life. 736 00:58:03,020 --> 00:58:06,360 who did nothing wrong and was completely innocent. 737 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,540 Leo just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. 738 00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,880 Every contact leaves a trace that forensic experts can follow. 739 00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,540 Explore it for yourself with the Open University's new interactive case 740 00:58:31,540 --> 00:58:32,540 simulator. 741 00:58:32,970 --> 00:58:38,690 Scan the QR code on screen or visit connect .open .ac .uk forward slash 742 00:58:38,690 --> 00:58:39,690 RealtySI. 63752

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