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West Midlands Police.
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There's a young lad in school uniform.
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I would say he's about 12 and he has
been stabbed in the stomach.
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Is he breathing in and out normally?
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Very laboured.
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I have confirmed that we've got the
police on route.
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Come on, open your eyes. I'm here. Open
your eyes. Oh, well done.
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All right, just stay with us.
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Mike 2, 6, 8, they're stabbing.
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Rambo here also.
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Officers from West Midlands Police are
responding to a serious incident after a
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young boy is found stabbed on his way
home from school in South Birmingham.
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Come on, buddy.
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He was found conscious, sitting in and
out of consciousness. And then he's gone
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into arrest.
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Did you see what happened at all?
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He went to my school. I've told my mum.
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If we can check for a pulse in two
sites.
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I've got a pulse. I've got a pulse. I've
got a pulse.
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Let's just make a note that that's 1622.
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Pulse is detected. Okay, it's a weak
central pulse.
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Ready, steady, lift.
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Come on, Leo.
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You can do it, mate.
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The boy, named by a witness at the
scene, is Leo Ross, aged 12 years old.
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He's taken to hospital for emergency
surgery.
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Crime scene investigator Drew Birtle
immediately begins securing forensic
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evidence at the scene, which may help
identify the attacker.
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So we've got the site where Amber was
treated, the young lad.
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There's no suggestion that over a wide
area, I think that the assault is
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confined to this area here.
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Working in forensics.
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You often see distressing and horrific
things.
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But when you find out this is a little
kid that's been stabbed, it's
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difficult to comprehend that something
like that could happen.
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The priority for Drew is to quickly
establish how the attack has taken
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We've got main pathway stretching from
one end of the park to the other.
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We've got secondary footpath that dog
walkers, kids, cyclists will use.
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We've also got marshland over there.
We've got a stream there.
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It's a massive area.
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And we know, obviously, that suspects
fled, but we don't know in which
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direction.
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So we've got to cordon the whole park
off.
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No one to go through scene.
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No one coming through scene.
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So if we zip it from these trees.
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Whilst officers secure access to the
four kilometre park, the spot where Leo
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was found is protected from the
elements.
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Probably best to be on the safe side and
cover it.
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We know that young lads received stab
wounds.
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We don't know with what at the minute.
We're assuming knife, but I wouldn't
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out broken bottle, screwdriver, could be
anything.
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But we don't know, was there a theft of
any kind? Has there been a fight?
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I think it's absolutely horrific.
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Leo's school clothing is recovered and
the crime scene is guarded overnight.
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Tributes have been paid to the 12 -year
-old boy who was stabbed to death in
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Birmingham yesterday.
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Leo Ross was stabbed in the stomach and
found near Scribers Lane in Hall Green.
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He died in hospital after being taken
there in an air ambulance.
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OK, morning, everyone.
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This is Op Ultimo, which is the murder
of Leo Ross.
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Following the death of the young boy in
hospital, West Midlands Police launch a
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murder inquiry.
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Leo was stabbed around half three
yesterday afternoon.
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Led by Detective Inspector Joe
Davenport.
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That exact spot there is where he was
found.
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One of the first witnesses to give an
account.
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She states she's seen a person in the
undergrowth and has gone over to help.
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has noticed that he was pale, had a
wound to his stomach, with blood across
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stomach.
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But no one actually saw what happened
and there were no obvious suspects.
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This case is...
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Shocking because of the age of the
victim.
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Leo is only a 12 -year -old boy. He's in
school uniform.
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So for someone to quite clearly
deliberately stab a 12 -year -old boy
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me that this person is incredibly
dangerous and needs to be found as soon
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possible.
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Hypothesis at the moment, then, the
victim has been stabbed by an unknown
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as part of a robbery or the victim has
been stabbed by an unknown person for
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unknown reasons.
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At the moment, I have no...
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clear motive or reason as to why anyone
would do this to him.
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Youth knife crime is a problem.
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Young people stabbing other young
people.
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So is it gang -related?
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Has he been targeted as part of a
robbery?
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Could be a number of different
scenarios.
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So our main line of inquiry today then,
search the murder scene to secure and
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preserve evidence of the offence.
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And we need to find the murder weapon as
soon as possible.
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A lot of water in there. It's like a bog
marsh and all sorts of... Yeah. It's
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the perfect place to do something like
this.
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Yeah.
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Drew is joined by Joe at the crime scene
to help coordinate a forensic search of
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the area.
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The incident happened on the inner
cordon up there. It's unclear which way
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offender had left the scene or come into
the scene.
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The biggest issue we've got is an
outstanding murder weapon in a massive
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We've so much overgrowth.
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We could be stood five metres from the
murder weapon and we're never going to
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know.
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Police drone operators begin mapping the
complex terrain to identify routes the
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offender could have taken.
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The river pathway also leads to nearby
houses.
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We're doing the investigation into the
incident that happened in the park. We
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were wondering if your CCTV cameras were
working.
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No, I'm going to go this way.
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Go on, get in your position.
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Six search teams move in to comb the
vast area.
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Good to go, yeah?
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The murder weapon is vital.
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It has the potential to link the suspect
and the victim.
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But it's a massively challenging scene.
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It's got not just water, but flowing
water, which could wash away DNA.
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Time is essential.
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The longer it's outstanding, if it's
exposed to the elements, can reduce the
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forensic evidence that's recovered.
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a knife that on its own may not be small
but hidden in the park and becomes
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a needle in a haystack.
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Leo Ross's many friends left flowers and
messages near to the park where he was
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fatally stabbed after school yesterday.
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A family member described him as the
most beautiful, kind child, funny, sweet
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and without an aggressive bone in his
body.
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The community impact of this offence is
massive.
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As 12 -year -olds being stabbed in these
circumstances I think puts fear in
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everyone's heart.
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Everyone thinks this could have been my
child.
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Tragic, really.
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Yeah,
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it's awful.
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Leo has had his whole life taken from
him, so we will stop at nothing to
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identify who carried out Leo's murder.
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We've got over 200 CCTV locations with
many, many hours of CCTV footage at each
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of those locations.
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As footage starts coming in, CCTV
analyst Andy MacDonald is tasked with
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through it to pinpoint Leo's last known
movement.
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We want to find Leo because we want to
ascertain if there's any other
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interaction during his route which
may...
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have been a precursor that that led to
to what happened unfortunately a lot of
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the school kids were wearing the same
uniform yeah the same backpack even the
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same coat so we've just got this new ai
software which allows us to review
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vast quantities of cctv footage in very
short times and review the findings
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using advanced facial recognition
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Andy can scour hundreds of hours of
footage across multiple cameras in just
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few minutes.
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For me, it's a game changer and it's got
a function where you can upload imagery
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of individuals and ask the system to
look for that person.
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So that's the image of Leo.
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So I'm now going to click on that clip.
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And it's brought back this sighting of
this individual.
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And then he momentarily looks back at
the camera and it's picked up somebody
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that I believe is Leo.
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Well, that's unbelievable.
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With his hood up, it's hard to recognise
him. It's really quite impressive.
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If I had to view that footage, it would
take me two days, three days to view.
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and i may or may not have found
something of relevance it's helped us to
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identify leo leaving school where he
sort of does a course turn towards the
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camera so that is a split second where
only part of his face is visible and the
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ai picked it up as being leo it gives me
a clear direction of travel a really
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useful tool to help me focus my search
from that momentary
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look back towards the camera.
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That's now given me a time for when Leo
leaves the school.
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Andy is now able to trace the young
boy's journey towards the park.
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So he's walked down Ravens Hill Road,
crossed the road.
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Along Priory Road, turning right into
Scribers Lane, and then
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he goes into where the offence occurred.
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So that's our last sighting at 1510.
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The CCTV shows that he wasn't with
anyone and he doesn't appear to have had
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conversation or disagreement with anyone
on the way to the park.
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But there's no CCTV within the park
itself.
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I don't know what happened.
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The post -mortem examination was able to
reveal a stab wound to the front of the
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abdomen. Drew has received details of
Leo's post -mortem, which may offer
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as to how the attack unfolded.
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It passed through skin muscle and
entered the abdominal cavity.
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It then terminated at the spine.
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Once an artery's been cut in such a
severe manner, it's very
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difficult to come back from that.
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The features of the stab wound are in
keeping with the use of a single -edged
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cutting implement such as a knife.
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No obvious serrated features were noted.
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We're looking at a smooth -bladed,
medium -length knife with the wound
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around about 8cm deep.
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It's going to be a kitchen knife.
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No defensive type injuries were noted.
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Normally when we see defensive wounds,
they'll be on the hands, on the
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if they raise their arms to protect
themselves.
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So it could mean that Leo didn't even
know the attack was coming.
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Armed with a description of the likely
murder weapon.
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50 officers have now been deployed to
focus the search across one kilometre of
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parkland.
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Coordinated by Senior Search Officer
Brian Statham.
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It can appear overwhelming to start
with, but what I do is I will break the
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area into smaller sections, what we call
sectorising.
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and we won't move on to other areas
until each sector is done.
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You've got to be switched on to find it.
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You've got to realise why you're doing
it. You're looking for something that
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could potentially prosecute someone for
a horrendous crime.
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If your child was involved, you'd want
that for your children.
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In terms of the water search, that's all
being searched.
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Are you just wading into it, are you? Is
it that deep?
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The problem with liquid is it's really,
really thick.
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Because if you have a dive team... A
specialist dive team moved in to conduct
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fingertip search of the river, starting
nearest to the crime scene.
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Hiding something in such a vast
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area is very easy for an offender to do.
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But you've got to remember, they will
probably be in a state of panic.
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So they won't think. Like a normal
person, they'll want to get rid of it as
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quickly as possible and they will make
mistakes.
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And that's when we will find it.
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So this is a bit of officer body cam
footage.
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This is where they have actually found
Leo then?
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Yeah.
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Joe and DC James Noble review body cam
from first responders to see who else
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in the park at the time of the stabbing.
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This is horrendous, isn't it?
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Yeah.
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Leo was discovered quite soon after he
was stabbed, which means that people
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weren't far away when this took place.
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There's a window of time where we can
identify all of the different people who
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were there.
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We've got two lads.
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who are about his sort of age, need to
understand who are they to him, how does
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he know them, and has there been any
issues between them previously?
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So this lad just said he's the one who
found him?
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Yeah, this kid on the bike.
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So he's somehow raised the alarm with
other members of the public, hasn't he?
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So just to confirm, you've been riding
along here around three -ish.
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Was it three bang on or was it after
three? Because it's now near to four.
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Can't really remember, but I didn't
touch him because that could put me in
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case.
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What did he say? It could put me in the
case?
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Yeah, I haven't touched him because that
could put me in your case.
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It's not the first thing you'd think
when you've come across someone who's
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stabbed.
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The young boy looks really, really
shocked, doesn't he? Mm.
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But you contrast that with...
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the older lad on the bike.
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The lad on the bike stands out to me.
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Some people have engaged in CPR, some
people are phoning 999 for the ambulance
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service, whereas the lad on the bike
appears to be sitting back, watching
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taking place.
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Stop a sec, lad.
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Stop a sec before me.
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You've just come through here.
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I asked him for my lad to go, he said,
yeah.
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He wants to get off, doesn't he?
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And also then trying to get away from
the scene as quickly as he can.
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He drove past here, apparently, and seen
him on the floor stop.
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He's dressed in all black.
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He's wearing gloves.
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And he said he's 14.
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Why isn't he at school himself?
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We need to know a lot more about him.
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Before leaving the scene, the teenager
gave his details.
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The detectives check the police national
computer to see whether he is known to
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police.
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It looks like in January last year, he's
attempted to assault police officers at
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the school that he attended at the time.
Obviously, it looks like since then
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he's been expelled.
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It says that he's assaulted some kind of
family therapist who he's working with
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in the park, so in the exact same
location.
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He's the standout person, isn't he, at
the moment?
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Yeah.
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For me, based on the information that
we've got, his propensity for violence,
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the other history of assault, in the
exact same location, and the absence of
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other clear suspect at this moment, the
old lad on the bike, for me, has to be a
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suspect and he has to be arrested.
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Joe orders the immediate arrest of the
14 -year -old.
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Hello, the police.
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Where is he?
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Whereabouts is he, mate?
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Come here.
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Put your hands out. You're more than due
at rest.
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Dad, turn my PlayStation on.
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I'm going to pat you down on the ear,
mate.
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You've been arrested.
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Big offence, mate, that is.
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And your reaction to that is a smile.
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Someone's died, haven't they?
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Stop moving him.
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Stick your finger up where you want.
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You're mature, are you?
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Specialist officers conduct a search of
the teenager's home, looking for any
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items of interest.
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What I really need is that key piece of
forensic evidence which ties him to the
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offence.
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Clothing and footwear are going to be
your best opportunity for a forensic
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but also the murder weapon, finding the
suspect's phone, any electronic devices,
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whether that be a laptop or any other
games console.
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Was he communicating with the victim or
other people discussing the offence?
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Although they find no mobile phone or
potential murder weapon, the suspect's
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clothing and PlayStation are seized and
will be sent to the major crime lab.
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Oh, by the way, the clothes I was
wearing earlier have changed.
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So we're not going to get anything off
those clothes. Okay.
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Even in the ones in my room, you ain't
going to get nothing off them because
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they ain't done nothing.
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What's he been arrested for?
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He was arrested for murder.
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When getting arrested for the murder, he
started smiling.
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He stated, you won't get nothing off
these clothes.
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He's been smirking and making comments
to officers who've arrested him.
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It may be that he finds it amusing
because he knows that he hasn't done
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anything, or it may be that actually
he's goading the police and he's getting
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some kind of kick out of this.
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Swabs are taken from the teenager to
obtain his DNA and the clothes he's
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are seized.
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A suspect in custody is considered a
crime scene.
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They can hold forensic evidence that can
link them to a victim of crime.
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If the victim has grabbed suspect
clothing and there was a cellular
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that touched DNA can stick with him for
some time.
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At the moment, we don't know what weapon
was used, and that is still
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outstanding.
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With a limited time to hold a juvenile
in custody without charge, Drew and Joe
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run through the forensic priorities.
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From the inquiries we've conducted so
far, it doesn't look like Leo and the
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suspect knew each other.
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No communication with phones, no
electronic communication, nothing like
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So we haven't recovered a phone from the
suspect, and according to family, he
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doesn't have one.
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Leo's phone is outstanding.
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We do know he has one, but it hasn't
been recovered yet.
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In the body -worn video, he's wearing
dark clothing and he's arrested in dark
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clothing as well. So there's a
possibility it's the same clothing.
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And it's a screening job for blood on
the clothing.
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I think any link that can be,
particularly blood between the two
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we've got to look at first and foremost,
don't we? Yeah.
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I'm really...
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struggling at the moment to find any
link between the suspect and the victim.
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The maximum amount of time I have is 96
hours to gain enough evidence to get a
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charging decision from the PPS, which
when you consider the area which needs
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be searched and how long forensic
testing takes, it puts me under a lot of
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pressure.
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The suspect's jacket has been fast
-tracked for inspection by forensic
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Bo Mitchell.
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So I'm just searching to see if there's
any staining that looks like it could be
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blood.
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We're hoping to potentially find
victim's blood on here.
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This jacket is a particularly hard item
to search, just as...
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It's very dark, especially when
searching for blood. In the seams, the
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is black as well.
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Any staining may be sort of hiding in
between the seams.
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We know that our victim has received a
single stab wound.
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And you don't always get the blood loss
from the victim that you might do from
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an extended attack.
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I can see a stain that looks like it
could be blood.
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So I'm just grabbing a filter paper and
test this red -brown stain to see if it
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could be blood.
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Bo uses a chemical mixture to check for
haemoglobin found in blood.
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If there's no pink reaction, then I know
that it's negative.
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And there's no pink reaction, so it's
not blood.
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It's disappointing that the jacket
hasn't produced any forensic results.
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A check of the teenager's shoes, worn at
the time of his arrest, also reveals
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nothing of note.
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We still have a lot of work to do, so we
need to look at further evidence
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to prove or disprove that our suspect
was responsible for
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the murder of Leo.
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Whilst officers question Leo's school
friends for any connection between the
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boys... The 14 -year -old is brought in
for interview.
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So you can rest on suspicion for murder.
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I'll just read out the statement.
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I wish to say I'm 14 years of age.
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I'm diagnosed with ADHD, ODD, anxiety
and attachment disorder.
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I'm also on the autism spectrum.
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I was diagnosed with the above
conditions around the age of six.
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I'm also under the care of numerous
mental health services.
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I would answer no comment or remain
silent due to my condition.
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Interviewing a juvenile does increase
the complexities and the challenges of
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this case. He's a 14 -year -old child
himself, but he still got to account as
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why he was there.
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Does he know Leo? Have they got any
history together?
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The person that died, with a young boy
by the name of Leo Ross.
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Had you had any issues with them?
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Were you in the path that is off Priory
Lane and Scribers Lane on the afternoon
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of the 21st of January between, say,
three and four in the afternoon?
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Were you carrying a knife?
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Was it a case that you've seen Noah
being attacked, but it wasn't you?
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This is the body -worn video.
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What did you mean by
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that?
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Why wouldn't you want to touch him to
help him?
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So at this moment in time, I've only got
circumstantial evidence. I know the
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suspect was in the park and I know he
was acting unusually. He hasn't provided
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an account in interview, but there could
be numerous different explanations as
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to why that is.
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It could be that actually he knows
something, but he didn't commit the
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and he's covering for someone else or he
may be in fear of the person who
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actually stabbed Leo.
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I need that key piece of information,
that key forensic link.
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which tells me that the suspect is
connected to the offence and it's more
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just his strange behaviour and the fact
that he fell to account as to why he was
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there.
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Morning, everyone.
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We still need to establish any
connection between the suspect and the
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The current belief and assumption is
that the suspect doesn't have a mobile
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phone and doesn't have a handset and
doesn't have a mobile phone number, etc.
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With no phone retrieved from either boy,
Joe is still searching for anything
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that may connect them.
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We have the suspect's PlayStation.
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In terms of the PlayStation, it's just
for any possibility of communication
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between them or if they knew each other
online.
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00:31:24,740 --> 00:31:28,480
It's a long shot, but I imagine it's
quite hard because they're quite
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aren't they?
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The suspect's PlayStation is sent to
digital forensics officer, Bernie
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to access.
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00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,400
Certain people do actually communicate
quite a lot through consoles,
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particularly as consoles start to gain
the capability to have more and more
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information on them.
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With this particular device, we've got a
Bluetooth dongle in the front of it.
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00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,180
It could be used to connect a mouse or
keyboard that's wireless.
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00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:13,020
The presence of a dongle for a keyboard
suggests the teenager may have used the
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game's console for messaging.
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00:32:16,380 --> 00:32:22,540
Modern consoles are different to when I
was a kid. When I was a kid, you'd put
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the cartridge in, you'd turn it on and
you'd play the game.
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But now, they're quite sophisticated.
You have communication capabilities,
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voice, video and text, and that
information can be retrieved.
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So that can be a very useful piece of
forensic evidence.
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00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:50,540
Well, that's quite rare that you get a
password at this stage.
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Unless, you know, they are quite
sensitive of their privacy.
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The suspect has password protected the
entire device.
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This PlayStation has far more encryption
than most devices.
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So it does get you thinking.
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You know, what is the reason for these
extra layers of security?
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It might mean that they are trying to
obfuscate criminal activity or evidence
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that would potentially implicate them in
an offence.
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00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,680
OK, let's see how this goes.
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All
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right.
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Let's try...
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00:33:42,570 --> 00:33:45,590
Yeah, sometimes it can take a little
while.
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00:33:49,870 --> 00:33:54,670
After three attempts, Bernie risks being
locked out of the machine permanently
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if he continues.
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00:33:56,850 --> 00:34:00,350
Four -digit PIN, I've tried his date of
birth, that's not worked.
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I've not got any other information
really to get any further password and I
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00:34:04,530 --> 00:34:05,730
don't know how many attempts I've got.
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This password was put on before they
were arrested and if it's released.
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Before we get access to it, that may
then allow him to delete any evidence
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the device.
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00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,860
So it's very time -sensitive.
440
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,260
There is a PlayStation that's been
seized from your home address.
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00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,020
All I'm asking here is, if you're
willing to, disclose the password or PIN
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unlock the device.
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00:34:32,620 --> 00:34:33,760
No, it goes in it.
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00:34:45,290 --> 00:34:49,409
We looked at it there, and on the tip,
it was almost like a discolouration.
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00:34:49,610 --> 00:34:51,389
It was almost like brown or red.
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00:34:52,850 --> 00:34:57,530
The team searching the crime scene have
made a discovery close to the park's
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perimeter.
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00:35:03,170 --> 00:35:06,990
It looks like a black -handled kitchen
knife.
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00:35:08,050 --> 00:35:10,850
Difficult to see if there's any marks.
I'll just photograph it there.
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00:35:15,380 --> 00:35:18,020
Photographs of the knife are sent for
Drew to inspect.
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00:35:21,860 --> 00:35:26,560
Black -handled knife with approximately
13 centimetre blade.
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The knife isn't in the best state.
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00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:35,080
A bit of twig and foliage has fallen
over it. That could be due to it being
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thrown and these arms have just been
flicked on top of it.
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00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,680
The end of the knife has got the sharp
tip missing.
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which could suggest it's been damaged
while being used.
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00:35:49,420 --> 00:35:54,400
You sometimes see that when you hit a
pelvis or another large bone and just
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end of the blade snaps off.
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The knife will be fast -tracked to check
for any fingerprints or DNA belonging
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to either the suspect or the victim.
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00:36:04,740 --> 00:36:05,740
There we go.
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00:36:11,210 --> 00:36:15,950
On the screen, we have all the cameras
that I've uploaded in relation to this
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operation.
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00:36:18,070 --> 00:36:24,690
Andy has now gathered a total of 5 ,000
hours of CCTV from 200 separate
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cameras around the park.
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This is a mixture of motion detection,
ring doorbell -type cameras, as well as
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full downloads from a number of
locations.
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What we'll hopefully be able to do is
demonstrate that if the suspect goes
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that he doesn't leave.
470
00:36:42,650 --> 00:36:48,010
He begins to look for anyone matching
the suspect's description on the day of
471
00:36:48,010 --> 00:36:49,010
the murder.
472
00:36:50,350 --> 00:36:56,870
So the suspect in relation to this case
was on a mountain bike and was in all
473
00:36:56,870 --> 00:37:02,230
dark clothing with a hooded top so we
can put a two -wheeled bike.
474
00:37:03,610 --> 00:37:08,130
The AI will then review the CCTV footage
that's been uploaded
475
00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:14,040
identify what it thinks is a potential
person on a bike.
476
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,460
Clicking on any of these icons enables
me to review the original footage,
477
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,020
whether I think that is a person of note
or is potentially the suspect.
478
00:37:24,220 --> 00:37:28,600
So that person has similar features in
terms of dark clothing.
479
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:32,700
But that's not my suspect.
480
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:36,800
Maybe even this one, let's have a look
at that one as well.
481
00:37:37,220 --> 00:37:38,740
It's got that look of him anyway.
482
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,400
No, it's not.
483
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,600
I don't think the bike is right for that
one. No.
484
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:52,700
Yeah,
485
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,000
that's him.
486
00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:59,400
Suspect.
487
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:00,800
Amazing.
488
00:38:01,260 --> 00:38:06,460
Having identified the suspect, Andy can
now track his movements in real time.
489
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,980
So this is the entrance to the area
where the offence occurred.
490
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:17,260
And it's now showing anybody that
crosses that line which is into where
491
00:38:17,260 --> 00:38:20,120
offence occurred and looking for persons
on bikes.
492
00:38:22,140 --> 00:38:25,460
And I've got a sighting here of my
suspect.
493
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:32,400
Now I know that the suspect goes into
where the offence occurred at about ten
494
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,400
three.
495
00:38:37,390 --> 00:38:41,910
And then we can see on that CCTV
footage, he doesn't come out then until
496
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:42,910
gone full.
497
00:38:43,470 --> 00:38:49,830
The CCTV shows the suspect enter the
park 20 minutes before Leo and
498
00:38:49,830 --> 00:38:53,190
only leave after police have arrived.
499
00:38:55,410 --> 00:38:59,110
But there's still no forensic proof that
he's the killer.
500
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:06,980
Visual search for blood conducted.
501
00:39:07,460 --> 00:39:14,440
Handle's been preserved for fingerprints
and cellular DNA taken from the sharp
502
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,440
edge of the blade.
503
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:21,180
At forensic headquarters, Drew receives
the completed results for the knife
504
00:39:21,180 --> 00:39:22,280
found in the park.
505
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:24,960
Light source negative.
506
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:26,800
Laser's negative.
507
00:39:27,020 --> 00:39:28,020
UV.
508
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,180
No ridge detail.
509
00:39:32,980 --> 00:39:34,440
Everything's come back negative.
510
00:39:35,630 --> 00:39:36,810
I don't think that's the weapon.
511
00:39:41,310 --> 00:39:43,350
No, I think we've still got an
outstanding knife.
512
00:39:47,770 --> 00:39:51,150
The result on the knife is
disappointing.
513
00:39:51,790 --> 00:39:56,070
We have minimal forensic results at this
point.
514
00:39:56,610 --> 00:40:01,810
There's no spin you can put on it, so we
still need to find that connection
515
00:40:01,810 --> 00:40:03,530
between suspect and victim.
516
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,300
Okay, so we've managed to get the
password for this device.
517
00:40:14,740 --> 00:40:19,620
After being approached by police, the
suspect's family has agreed to hand over
518
00:40:19,620 --> 00:40:21,520
the PIN code for his games console.
519
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:30,220
With this particular device, it's got a
lot of cloud -based data, so we're going
520
00:40:30,220 --> 00:40:34,620
to connect it to the internet to access
PlayStation servers and get the messages
521
00:40:34,620 --> 00:40:35,620
from there.
522
00:40:37,820 --> 00:40:40,660
What I'm going to have to do now is what
we call an account takeover.
523
00:40:42,220 --> 00:40:46,540
With a PlayStation, all of the data will
be stored on PlayStation servers.
524
00:40:47,540 --> 00:40:51,700
That sends what we call crowd -based
information, which means I can't just
525
00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:56,200
download the content. We have to look at
it live, and we have to look at it
526
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:57,200
quickly.
527
00:40:58,460 --> 00:41:01,980
I'm actually online right now. I don't
want anyone to become aware of my
528
00:41:01,980 --> 00:41:02,980
presence on the device.
529
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:08,340
So the first thing I'm going to do as
quick as I can is appear offline before
530
00:41:08,340 --> 00:41:12,360
somebody decides to lock me out or
delete any messages.
531
00:41:14,540 --> 00:41:18,360
I can already see the thousands of
messages on here.
532
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,940
Bernie starts filtering all messaging
over a six -month period prior to the
533
00:41:24,940 --> 00:41:25,940
murder.
534
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,080
From the context of this conversation,
it looks like potentially...
535
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,160
This is his girlfriend.
536
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,680
Young people tend to live far more of
their lives online.
537
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:48,700
I can see that there's lots of normal,
ordinary teenage communication.
538
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:53,760
You know, inviting people to play
various games, group chats with 20
539
00:41:54,220 --> 00:41:59,260
And it's my job to determine what's
normal and what's relevant to the
540
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:02,920
So there's one here.
541
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:04,980
Sort of a vague threat.
542
00:42:05,820 --> 00:42:08,600
He's referring to someone being stabbed.
543
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:14,300
He says it was one of his friends. He's
going to find the person that did it and
544
00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:16,900
do the same to him, stab him.
545
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,580
Any kind of messages like that that have
references to violence are obviously
546
00:42:24,580 --> 00:42:25,580
going to be relevant.
547
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:31,260
They obviously don't prove the offence
on their own, but we're kind of trying
548
00:42:31,260 --> 00:42:32,260
build a picture.
549
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,160
of the suspect's character as well to
prove the offence.
550
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:41,440
Bernie spots a conversation with the
same friend, dating back months before
551
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,440
was stabbed.
552
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,780
So I can also see that he said, I'm
going to go to prison because I'm going
553
00:42:47,780 --> 00:42:50,880
kill my therapist, because he's
annoying.
554
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,900
He then goes on to share some
understanding of what the sentences are
555
00:42:57,900 --> 00:43:00,860
murder in the UK, as if he has...
556
00:43:01,270 --> 00:43:02,290
Looked into it before.
557
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:07,650
She said she's not going to let him kill
his therapist.
558
00:43:15,150 --> 00:43:17,990
She then mentioned that he's going out
to kill someone now.
559
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,460
Looking through this message, it can be
hard to decipher what is this general
560
00:43:32,460 --> 00:43:33,460
teenage bravado.
561
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,560
Is that him trying to build himself up
as this tough character?
562
00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:43,700
Or is that him actually going out,
trying to find someone to stab?
563
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,600
But there's nothing here that indicates
specifically towards Leo.
564
00:43:51,580 --> 00:43:53,200
And that's really the missing piece.
565
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,740
Sir, can you come and have a look at
this, please?
566
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:08,020
Intelligence officer Derek Dolan has
been looking into a spate of violent
567
00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:12,020
assaults in the same park, which may be
relevant to the investigation.
568
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,480
We've got the offences from Leo on the
21st, and then we've got three other
569
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,400
offences within the three -day period
before Leo, and they all involve the use
570
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,100
of a bike. It's a black bike.
571
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,840
So the first offence, which is two days
before Leo's murder. This one here is
572
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:29,840
Leo's murder?
573
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,800
By the way, yeah. And the one just below
it is the... So how far is that then?
574
00:44:34,340 --> 00:44:35,920
It's approximately 50 metres.
575
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:39,360
82 -year -old female, and she's been
pushed from behind.
576
00:44:40,700 --> 00:44:44,160
She's fallen into the river. The
offender has hit her multiple times.
577
00:44:44,420 --> 00:44:45,600
She's got a broken nose.
578
00:44:46,380 --> 00:44:48,400
She's got swelling and bruising to the
face.
579
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,020
The next offence was the following day.
There was a female walking on her own.
580
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,300
The male has knocked her down from
behind.
581
00:44:59,220 --> 00:45:03,120
Third offence. Again, a lone female, 69
years of age.
582
00:45:03,340 --> 00:45:05,400
He pushed her and she screamed.
583
00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:08,780
She said that he turned around and he
smiled at her.
584
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,020
This was only about half an hour before
Leo's murder.
585
00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:17,500
It's just really strange, isn't it, the
way in which these offences have taken
586
00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:21,880
place. From behind, like an unprovoked
attack to vulnerable people on their
587
00:45:22,340 --> 00:45:24,000
And what was the...
588
00:45:24,410 --> 00:45:26,330
Description for each of them?
589
00:45:26,890 --> 00:45:28,270
For each of these offences.
590
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:33,570
Description is a white male, mid -teens,
black clothing on, on a pushbike.
591
00:45:34,330 --> 00:45:38,710
So no robbery, no kind of argument or
dispute beforehand?
592
00:45:38,930 --> 00:45:41,110
That's right, yeah. No motive or
anything like that.
593
00:45:41,890 --> 00:45:45,090
It's almost like he's going out hunting,
looking for people to attack.
594
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:54,340
We've got footage for the 21st. We've
pretty much got footage for the 19th and
595
00:45:54,340 --> 00:45:55,340
the 20th as well.
596
00:45:56,020 --> 00:46:02,300
The new evidence prompts Andy to expand
his CCTV search to include the dates the
597
00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:05,920
teenager is suspected of carrying out
the assaults in the park.
598
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:11,380
So this is the fire team coming in to
try to get the first victim pulled out
599
00:46:11,380 --> 00:46:12,380
the water.
600
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,960
A young kid has come, has ran down here
and ran away.
601
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:27,080
We've also then got him coming back to
sort of observe the emergency services
602
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,160
vehicles. Right.
603
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,280
So down here is the emergency services.
604
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:37,100
So he's at the top of the road having a
good look and he stays there for a
605
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:40,540
little bit of time and then winds off
again. Yeah. And he keeps coming back.
606
00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:43,400
So, and then he's coming back. Very
contradictory behaviour, isn't it? Yeah.
607
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:44,400
demonstrates.
608
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:45,440
100%, yeah.
609
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:52,980
He's clearly got some kind of obsession
or interest in relation to
610
00:46:52,980 --> 00:46:53,980
what's occurring.
611
00:46:55,320 --> 00:47:00,480
The behaviour of the suspect hanging
around after the alarm is raised and all
612
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:05,000
the emergency services start to come in
points out to me that he's perhaps
613
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:10,440
enjoying seeing the sort of chaos that
he's created, which just demonstrates
614
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,440
dangerous he is.
615
00:47:12,490 --> 00:47:15,910
The new evidence is put to the 14 -year
-old in interview.
616
00:47:17,310 --> 00:47:20,970
We've talked about the murder, but
there's another incident that took place
617
00:47:20,970 --> 00:47:23,630
where a lady's being pushed over in the
park.
618
00:47:24,270 --> 00:47:25,790
Do you know that person?
619
00:47:27,330 --> 00:47:28,330
No, no.
620
00:47:28,750 --> 00:47:33,350
She's ended up with two to three
centimetre gashes on the right side of
621
00:47:33,350 --> 00:47:35,450
head, suspected fractured hip.
622
00:47:36,530 --> 00:47:39,390
Are you responsible for causing those
injuries to her?
623
00:47:39,970 --> 00:47:41,670
Have you pushed them? No comment.
624
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:43,620
Have you kicked her? No comment.
625
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,220
So on the 19th of January, the lady was
knocked into the water within the nature
626
00:47:49,220 --> 00:47:53,100
reserve, and the person hitting her said
to her, I tried to drown you, and now
627
00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:54,460
I'm going to try and kill you instead.
628
00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:56,300
Did you hit her?
629
00:47:57,100 --> 00:47:58,100
No comment.
630
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,780
There doesn't appear to be any motive,
and that makes the investigation harder.
631
00:48:06,820 --> 00:48:08,480
And I'm running out of time.
632
00:48:10,180 --> 00:48:15,460
The threshold... will be higher to
charge a teenager for a murder obviously
633
00:48:15,460 --> 00:48:20,180
we're going to deprive that child
liberty so we need to be really
634
00:48:20,180 --> 00:48:23,660
the evidence that we have and the cps
need to be really confident that we have
635
00:48:23,660 --> 00:48:26,340
the right person before they take such
an extreme measure
636
00:48:26,340 --> 00:48:33,300
i'll show you the actual footage
637
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:38,260
which is on this computer let me see if
we can get this to work
638
00:48:39,820 --> 00:48:45,200
Andy alerts Joe to footage he's
discovered on a park camera recently
639
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,520
to target fly -tipping.
640
00:48:47,780 --> 00:48:54,440
Now, when he goes through at 15, 16,
he's riding at a very slow pace, shall
641
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:55,440
say.
642
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:04,840
His next sighting of him, at 15, 28, he
comes flying
643
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:05,840
round here.
644
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,180
He's at speed and he's having to put his
foot down.
645
00:49:09,690 --> 00:49:15,570
to prevent himself possibly from
skidding out or falling off because he
646
00:49:15,570 --> 00:49:17,350
around here at a real weight. OK, yeah.
647
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:24,570
The camera briefly captured the 14 -year
-old at 3 .28pm, 11 minutes
648
00:49:24,570 --> 00:49:28,170
before Leo's stabbing was reported to
emergency services.
649
00:49:28,650 --> 00:49:32,930
So it's certainly possible that he's now
committed the offence and this is when
650
00:49:32,930 --> 00:49:34,010
he's disposing of the knife.
651
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,400
Using the new footage, the search team
are able to narrow down a route the
652
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,960
teenager may have taken to dump a weapon
after committing the offence.
653
00:49:45,860 --> 00:49:51,660
If we get you down this pathway, then
I'd like this bit concentrated on in
654
00:49:51,660 --> 00:49:54,440
he's thrown it over the water.
655
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,700
So if he was in a rush, it'd be a hasty
throw, I think.
656
00:49:59,140 --> 00:50:04,120
He's been out of sight for a couple of
minutes, so for me, that narrows down.
657
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:07,940
a time frame of where he could be
because you've got a factor in the
658
00:50:07,940 --> 00:50:11,380
you've got to get somewhere you've got
to hide something and then he's got to
659
00:50:11,380 --> 00:50:18,280
cycle back brian orders the search of an
area near a bridge where the suspect is
660
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:24,980
likely to have ridden past it's a bit
foggy in some places be very careful
661
00:50:46,250 --> 00:50:48,230
Sarge, I think we've got a knife there.
662
00:51:00,730 --> 00:51:02,310
Yeah, it's like a kitchen knife.
663
00:51:02,850 --> 00:51:06,550
It's based in another island, literally
to the right, and it's probably like 20
664
00:51:06,550 --> 00:51:08,410
metres there, and it's literally on the
bank.
665
00:51:09,390 --> 00:51:10,390
How much is the blade?
666
00:51:15,530 --> 00:51:20,450
The recovery of the knife moves the
investigation forward a massive amount.
667
00:51:21,230 --> 00:51:25,230
It's got the appearance of it being
freshly discarded there.
668
00:51:25,770 --> 00:51:28,590
So where that grass pit is there, over
this other side, it's in there.
669
00:51:30,290 --> 00:51:33,410
But it was outside, it wasn't located
straight away.
670
00:51:33,770 --> 00:51:37,750
So there's a high potential for evidence
to be destroyed.
671
00:51:39,330 --> 00:51:43,710
Only forensic analysis will determine
whether we've got the right weapon.
672
00:52:06,350 --> 00:52:08,450
The first thing that I'll do is search
for blood.
673
00:52:10,610 --> 00:52:16,470
We have to look in all of the grooves
just to make sure we're not missing any
674
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:17,470
areas.
675
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:25,490
With a single stab wound, we will often
find that the blood won't just settle on
676
00:52:25,490 --> 00:52:29,870
the blade. With the layers of clothing
that Leo was wearing, the potential
677
00:52:29,870 --> 00:52:34,850
of the attack, the blade can often get
cleaned from coming into contact with.
678
00:52:35,370 --> 00:52:42,150
the victim's clothing the top of the
handle looks red brown
679
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:46,370
so i'm going to test that first
680
00:52:46,370 --> 00:52:58,390
if
681
00:52:58,390 --> 00:53:01,650
we have blood present we will get a pink
reaction
682
00:53:04,330 --> 00:53:05,330
That's negative.
683
00:53:07,550 --> 00:53:13,670
So at this point, I'm happy that the
knife is negative for blood, so I can go
684
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:15,290
ahead and sample for cellular.
685
00:53:17,310 --> 00:53:20,310
The lack of blood doesn't mean the lack
of evidence.
686
00:53:22,190 --> 00:53:27,470
It may be that the visible blood has
washed off, but there may still be trace
687
00:53:27,470 --> 00:53:30,310
DNA evidence left on the blade and the
handle.
688
00:53:33,260 --> 00:53:38,220
So if you think about anything that you
physically touch, there is always going
689
00:53:38,220 --> 00:53:39,360
to be a transfer of DNA.
690
00:53:40,820 --> 00:53:45,540
So in this case, obviously we're
interested in how the knife will have
691
00:53:45,540 --> 00:53:52,540
handled. And if the individual has
handled it without gloves, then
692
00:53:52,540 --> 00:53:58,340
there would be a transfer of any skin on
their hands to the handle of the knife.
693
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,400
Next, the sample is processed to extract
DNA.
694
00:54:13,260 --> 00:54:18,120
This will give detectives a full profile
they can compare with the suspect in
695
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:19,120
custody.
696
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,080
Hello, Judge Lamport. Are you Judge Drew
from FSI?
697
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:33,120
The DNA profiling results have been fast
-tracked to Drew.
698
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:42,840
It's coming back a full profile on the
blade and tip of the knife found to Leo
699
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:43,840
Ross.
700
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,920
So it's definitely the knife used then?
701
00:54:49,140 --> 00:54:52,280
Yeah, and the handle is coming back to
our suspect.
702
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:53,640
Brilliant.
703
00:54:54,060 --> 00:54:58,600
And it's saying that it's at least a
billion times more likely to be DNA
704
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,040
contribution from our suspect.
705
00:55:02,220 --> 00:55:04,000
I think we've got our weapon there,
mate.
706
00:55:04,540 --> 00:55:07,420
Great. That's a brilliant result, isn't
it? Definitely, definitely.
707
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:15,020
The knife that was recovered contained
DNA of Leo and DNA of the suspect.
708
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,640
It's a massive result for the
investigation.
709
00:55:20,500 --> 00:55:23,720
It's a huge relief when you get a
forensic hit like this.
710
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,800
It demonstrates that you have identified
the right person, but not only that,
711
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,160
that you're now in a strong position to
get justice for the victim and for his
712
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:33,160
family.
713
00:55:45,009 --> 00:55:48,050
OK, I need to read something to you.
It's quite important, all right?
714
00:55:48,890 --> 00:55:49,890
Come with me.
715
00:55:52,410 --> 00:55:53,790
You just stand there.
716
00:56:01,570 --> 00:56:04,910
The case was referred to the Crown
Prosecution Service for a charging
717
00:56:05,110 --> 00:56:09,310
They've come back with several charges
that I've got to read out to you, OK? So
718
00:56:09,310 --> 00:56:13,270
you were charged with the following on
the 21st of January at Triffid Mill
719
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,080
You murdered Leo Ross, contrary to
common law.
720
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,640
Do you wish to make any reply?
721
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,660
OK. You'll be escorted back to your cell
by these officers.
722
00:56:29,380 --> 00:56:35,080
Along with murder, the teenager is also
charged with three counts of grievous
723
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,740
bodily harm in relation to the other
assaults in the park.
724
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:59,860
When something like this happens, and
it's a child murdering a child, it's
725
00:56:59,860 --> 00:57:01,780
difficult to make any sense of it.
726
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:09,500
Knowing the history of the offender
previous to the murder of Leo, I would
727
00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:14,800
there is a very strong chance he would
have continued to offend if he wasn't
728
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,440
caught and arrested.
729
00:57:33,460 --> 00:57:36,540
The offender is a 14 -year -old child
himself.
730
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:42,280
It's clear to me that he wasn't of a
sound mental state, not just immediately
731
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,740
before Leo's murder, but probably for
quite a few years in his life.
732
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,300
Unfortunately, I think we're seeing it
more and more in society where there
733
00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:55,380
doesn't appear to be a motive and it is
just down to the person's mental health.
734
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,020
So this is a really tragic case.
735
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,460
The 12 -year -old boy has lost his life.
736
00:58:03,020 --> 00:58:06,360
who did nothing wrong and was completely
innocent.
737
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,540
Leo just happened to be in the wrong
place at the wrong time.
738
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,880
Every contact leaves a trace that
forensic experts can follow.
739
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,540
Explore it for yourself with the Open
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740
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741
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742
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