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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:34,635 --> 00:00:38,406 MAN: Ladies and gentleman, we are gathered here today 4 00:00:39,707 --> 00:00:45,813 to bereave the loss of something dear to us. 5 00:00:45,846 --> 00:00:52,286 We are here today to say goodbye to a special friend, 6 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,789 to say goodbye to an idea. 7 00:00:55,823 --> 00:00:59,327 Some might say that to be here gathered today 8 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:04,532 to mourn the loss of a car would be going too far. 9 00:01:22,550 --> 00:01:26,887 MARTIN SHEEN: In 1996, electric cars began to appear 10 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,057 on roads all over California. 11 00:01:30,090 --> 00:01:32,293 They were quiet and fast, 12 00:01:32,326 --> 00:01:36,597 produced no exhaust and ran without gasoline. 13 00:01:36,630 --> 00:01:42,170 Ten years later, these futuristic cars were almost entirely gone. 14 00:01:44,272 --> 00:01:45,839 What happened? 15 00:01:45,873 --> 00:01:47,107 Why should we be haunted 16 00:01:47,141 --> 00:01:50,211 by the ghost of the electric car? 17 00:01:53,046 --> 00:01:56,584 This wasn't the first time the electric car was killed. 18 00:01:56,617 --> 00:02:00,921 One hundred years ago, there were more electrics on the road 19 00:02:00,954 --> 00:02:03,056 than there were gas cars. 20 00:02:03,090 --> 00:02:07,094 For many people, electric cars were the car of choice. 21 00:02:07,127 --> 00:02:12,166 They were quiet and smooth and could be charged at home. 22 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:17,171 Gas cars, by comparison, required cranking and produced exhaust. 23 00:02:19,039 --> 00:02:22,710 Well, the reason I'm here, I'm so old I remember electric cars 24 00:02:22,743 --> 00:02:24,945 when they were around in the beginning. 25 00:02:24,978 --> 00:02:28,716 I would have been about six years old on the way to the symphony 26 00:02:28,749 --> 00:02:31,919 in that darling little electric car. 27 00:02:31,952 --> 00:02:36,890 They were very quiet, and it had beveled glass windows. 28 00:02:36,924 --> 00:02:41,395 It was almost like sitting inside of a huge lamp. 29 00:02:43,030 --> 00:02:44,532 What happened? 30 00:02:44,565 --> 00:02:48,669 Why did the gas car win over the electric car? 31 00:02:48,702 --> 00:02:51,739 SHEEN: As the 20th century gathered speed, 32 00:02:51,772 --> 00:02:54,375 the electric car lost momentum. 33 00:02:54,408 --> 00:02:56,544 Automatic starters, cheaper oil 34 00:02:56,577 --> 00:03:01,415 and mass production gave the edge to the gasoline car. 35 00:03:01,449 --> 00:03:04,852 By 1920, the internal combustion engine 36 00:03:04,885 --> 00:03:07,688 had won the race for control of the roads, 37 00:03:07,721 --> 00:03:10,924 and the modern automobile age was born. 38 00:03:19,667 --> 00:03:23,971 Of the hundreds of millions of cars built in the 20th century, 39 00:03:24,004 --> 00:03:26,907 almost none were electric. 40 00:03:26,940 --> 00:03:29,877 They were sleek. They were fast. 41 00:03:29,910 --> 00:03:34,282 And they gave Americans the open road. 42 00:03:34,315 --> 00:03:39,253 But as time went on, their number one flaw became more apparent. 43 00:03:42,122 --> 00:03:43,524 Smog. 44 00:03:53,601 --> 00:03:56,570 JANANNE SHARPLESS: California has the worst air quality in the nation. 45 00:03:56,604 --> 00:04:00,107 And it impacts some of our largest population centers. 46 00:04:00,140 --> 00:04:03,744 Up in my district, we have what is called the black cloud of death 47 00:04:03,777 --> 00:04:05,446 that hangs over the port areas 48 00:04:05,479 --> 00:04:08,115 and the areas surrounding the ports. 49 00:04:08,148 --> 00:04:12,553 We are seeing some tremendously debilitating effects, 50 00:04:12,586 --> 00:04:18,158 asthma rates, cancer rates, uh, lung development in children, 51 00:04:18,191 --> 00:04:21,061 children not being allowed to play outside. 52 00:04:21,094 --> 00:04:23,631 SHEEN: In 1989, a study found 53 00:04:23,664 --> 00:04:28,436 that one out of four 15 to 25 year olds in Los Angeles County 54 00:04:28,469 --> 00:04:32,906 had severe lung lesions and chronic respiratory disease. 55 00:04:32,940 --> 00:04:39,380 In 1990, there were 41 stage-one smog alerts. 56 00:04:39,413 --> 00:04:42,115 No matter what kind of car we drive, 57 00:04:42,149 --> 00:04:43,984 every gallon of gas we burn 58 00:04:44,017 --> 00:04:48,188 adds 19 pounds of carbon dioxide to the air. 59 00:04:48,221 --> 00:04:52,560 The more gas we burn, the more CO2 we create. 60 00:04:52,593 --> 00:04:55,228 If you don't do something with that CO2, 61 00:04:55,262 --> 00:04:56,764 if you don't sequester it, 62 00:04:56,797 --> 00:04:59,433 then it's gonna be going up into the atmosphere, 63 00:04:59,467 --> 00:05:01,602 and CO2 is a global warming gas. 64 00:05:05,506 --> 00:05:06,974 WALLY RIPPEL: I believe the problems 65 00:05:07,007 --> 00:05:09,743 of, uh, global warming will be far greater 66 00:05:09,777 --> 00:05:11,479 than the problems of social security 67 00:05:11,512 --> 00:05:14,582 or even the problems of war on terrorism. 68 00:05:14,615 --> 00:05:18,051 DAVID FREEMAN: We've got the equivalent of a nuclear time bomb 69 00:05:18,085 --> 00:05:20,988 on our hand with global warming. 70 00:05:21,021 --> 00:05:24,191 If lung disease from air pollution is unimportant, 71 00:05:24,224 --> 00:05:26,059 if all those things don't count, 72 00:05:26,093 --> 00:05:28,261 uh, we're gonna be in bad trouble. 73 00:05:28,295 --> 00:05:30,263 ALAN LOWENTHAL: And there's a public health crisis. 74 00:05:30,297 --> 00:05:32,265 But we have to have incentives, 75 00:05:32,299 --> 00:05:33,967 and we have to have alternatives. 76 00:05:34,001 --> 00:05:36,637 SHEEN: Car companies experimented with alternatives 77 00:05:36,670 --> 00:05:38,672 over the years, but none of them ever seemed 78 00:05:38,706 --> 00:05:41,842 to make it out of the proving grounds. 79 00:05:41,875 --> 00:05:44,845 I remember I--I was the chairman of the board 80 00:05:44,878 --> 00:05:46,980 of the Tennessee Valley Authority, 81 00:05:47,014 --> 00:05:51,519 and we were promoting the electric car back in the late '70s. 82 00:05:51,552 --> 00:05:54,922 I had even planned a race 83 00:05:54,955 --> 00:05:58,025 from Gatlinburg, Tennessee to Nashville 84 00:05:58,058 --> 00:06:00,928 between Paul Newman and Robert Redford. 85 00:06:00,961 --> 00:06:03,196 And I had it all lined up, and then I realized 86 00:06:03,230 --> 00:06:05,966 that we'd get a lot of national publicity, 87 00:06:05,999 --> 00:06:09,803 but there were no-- there were no cars in the showrooms. 88 00:06:09,837 --> 00:06:11,805 SHEEN: It would take a different kind of race 89 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,643 to make the electric car the car of the future. 90 00:06:15,676 --> 00:06:17,711 The Sunraycer was a solar-powered vehicle 91 00:06:17,745 --> 00:06:20,514 that was developed here at AeroVironment, 92 00:06:20,548 --> 00:06:23,216 uh, for the purpose of winning a race. 93 00:06:23,250 --> 00:06:25,586 SHEEN: In 1987, GM won 94 00:06:25,619 --> 00:06:28,221 the World Solar Challenge race in Australia 95 00:06:28,255 --> 00:06:31,425 with a one-of-a-kind, solar-powered electric vehicle, 96 00:06:31,459 --> 00:06:33,026 the Sunraycer. 97 00:06:33,060 --> 00:06:37,397 Emboldened by their success, GM's CEO, Roger Smith, 98 00:06:37,431 --> 00:06:40,901 challenged the same design team to build a prototype 99 00:06:40,934 --> 00:06:42,970 for a practical electric car. 100 00:06:43,003 --> 00:06:46,073 RIPPEL: If we were to go full speed ahead with electric cars, 101 00:06:46,106 --> 00:06:47,975 the electronics had to be good enough 102 00:06:48,008 --> 00:06:50,210 in order to warrant that concept, 103 00:06:50,243 --> 00:06:53,146 and that's where the work of Alan Cocconi came in. 104 00:06:53,180 --> 00:06:57,317 MAN: Now, you built the--the prototype for this in--in your garage? 105 00:06:57,350 --> 00:06:59,587 Yes. Well, my garage isn't quite the average garage. 106 00:06:59,620 --> 00:07:01,154 It's actually a pretty good machine shop 107 00:07:01,188 --> 00:07:03,290 and electronics lab. But, yes, I built it there. 108 00:07:03,323 --> 00:07:05,493 It's like a three-channel stereo amplifier. 109 00:07:05,526 --> 00:07:07,427 It provides the right-size sine waves 110 00:07:07,461 --> 00:07:09,196 and right frequency to drive the motor 111 00:07:09,229 --> 00:07:11,765 for all the different driving conditions. 112 00:07:11,799 --> 00:07:14,434 So it's a 100,000-watt stereo amplifier. 113 00:07:14,468 --> 00:07:18,739 SHEEN: Alan's breakthrough power system helped create an electric car 114 00:07:18,772 --> 00:07:22,009 unlike any that had ever been driven before. 115 00:07:25,813 --> 00:07:27,915 They'd kept this car also a secret 116 00:07:27,948 --> 00:07:30,050 and much better than any other Detroit secret, 117 00:07:30,083 --> 00:07:32,452 'cause it was all developed out here in California. 118 00:07:32,486 --> 00:07:35,255 So it--it truly was a surprise when it was introduced 119 00:07:35,288 --> 00:07:37,224 to the Los Angeles Auto Show. 120 00:07:37,257 --> 00:07:40,961 This is going to represent a great step forward for people 121 00:07:40,994 --> 00:07:44,097 in terms of commuting to work, from work, 122 00:07:44,131 --> 00:07:47,100 if you don't have to go more than 120 miles a day. 123 00:07:47,134 --> 00:07:48,669 Other than the jokes that we made 124 00:07:48,702 --> 00:07:51,805 about the wisdom of calling a vehicle the Impact, 125 00:07:51,839 --> 00:07:56,209 um, it was very impressive. It was very high-tech 126 00:07:56,243 --> 00:07:58,111 and it had an interesting premise, 127 00:07:58,145 --> 00:08:02,215 that we've got this sort of Corvette-electric-type car, 128 00:08:02,249 --> 00:08:05,152 two-seater, slick styling and all that, 129 00:08:05,185 --> 00:08:07,087 and that we can make a business out of it. 130 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:08,622 It was interesting. 131 00:08:08,656 --> 00:08:11,358 I--I had worked with the program manager who then called me and said, 132 00:08:11,391 --> 00:08:14,194 "Would you like to be on the electric vehicle program?" 133 00:08:14,227 --> 00:08:16,429 And I said, "That's fine. What do you want me to do?" 134 00:08:16,463 --> 00:08:17,831 And he said very simply, 135 00:08:17,865 --> 00:08:21,034 "Develop demand for electric vehicles worldwide." 136 00:08:21,068 --> 00:08:23,103 And I said, "Do you have any instructions?" 137 00:08:23,136 --> 00:08:25,739 And he took a blank piece of paper and shoved it in front of me and he said, 138 00:08:25,773 --> 00:08:27,641 "No instructions. You go figure it out." 139 00:08:27,675 --> 00:08:30,110 And so at that point I joined the program. 140 00:08:30,143 --> 00:08:34,948 Uh, it got a lot of interest flowing in the industry, 141 00:08:34,982 --> 00:08:37,117 uh, but it did something else. 142 00:08:37,150 --> 00:08:41,789 It caught the attention of the California Air Resources Board. 143 00:08:41,822 --> 00:08:44,291 SHEEN: California's Air Resources Board, 144 00:08:44,324 --> 00:08:46,159 or CARB as it was known, 145 00:08:46,193 --> 00:08:50,831 saw the electric car as an opportunity to solve another problem. 146 00:08:50,864 --> 00:08:53,500 SHARPLESS: Since GM had already announced 147 00:08:53,533 --> 00:08:57,237 that they were going to produce an electric vehicle 148 00:08:57,270 --> 00:09:00,574 before we even adopted the mandate, 149 00:09:00,608 --> 00:09:05,412 the electric vehicle technology became sort of the technology 150 00:09:05,445 --> 00:09:07,180 of greatest promise. 151 00:09:07,214 --> 00:09:10,550 SHEEN: Knowing a modern electric car was now possible, 152 00:09:10,584 --> 00:09:14,521 California regulators took a bold and unprecedented step. 153 00:09:14,554 --> 00:09:17,825 They passed the Zero Emissions Vehicle Mandate. 154 00:09:17,858 --> 00:09:19,627 The mandate was simple. 155 00:09:19,660 --> 00:09:24,264 If automakers wanted to continue to sell cars in California, 156 00:09:24,297 --> 00:09:28,235 some of those cars would have to be vehicles with no exhaust. 157 00:09:28,268 --> 00:09:29,870 GREG HANSSEN: They decided they were gonna ramp it up. 158 00:09:29,903 --> 00:09:31,471 We're going to say 2% in '98, 159 00:09:31,504 --> 00:09:35,442 we're gonna say 5% in 2001 and 10% in 2003. 160 00:09:35,475 --> 00:09:38,812 SHEEN: For the car companies, there were only two options, 161 00:09:38,846 --> 00:09:41,882 comply with the law or fight it. 162 00:09:41,915 --> 00:09:44,618 In the end, they would do both. 163 00:10:01,601 --> 00:10:06,539 WOMAN: The electric car is here. 164 00:10:06,573 --> 00:10:09,042 The EV1 from General Motors. 165 00:10:09,076 --> 00:10:12,245 SHEEN: The Impact prototype became the EV1, 166 00:10:12,279 --> 00:10:15,048 the first modern electric production car 167 00:10:15,082 --> 00:10:18,886 from a major US car company in nearly a century. 168 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:24,524 GM chose its Saturn division to market it in California and Arizona. 169 00:10:24,557 --> 00:10:27,094 CHELSEA SEXTON: I bought my first Saturn at 17 and they said, 170 00:10:27,127 --> 00:10:28,962 "Do you want to come work here?" 171 00:10:28,996 --> 00:10:31,064 So I thought, okay. It would be a good college job. 172 00:10:31,098 --> 00:10:32,966 I'll put myself through college this way. 173 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,768 And turned out I loved the cars more 174 00:10:34,802 --> 00:10:36,670 than I loved-- what I was studying in college, 175 00:10:36,704 --> 00:10:38,138 and three years later they announced 176 00:10:38,171 --> 00:10:41,208 the EV1 program, and I jumped on it. 177 00:10:41,241 --> 00:10:45,578 There were the 13 of us, most of whom were mid-20s, unattached, 178 00:10:45,612 --> 00:10:49,850 single, no kids, willing to do anything for little money. 179 00:10:51,351 --> 00:10:54,254 We all handled a particular geographic region. 180 00:10:54,287 --> 00:10:57,157 Mine started as LA, and--and I worked with everybody 181 00:10:57,190 --> 00:11:00,861 from engineers and students to celebrities. 182 00:11:00,894 --> 00:11:04,464 ALL: * I say! I say! I say Alexandra! * 183 00:11:04,497 --> 00:11:06,099 I have a picture of myself 184 00:11:06,133 --> 00:11:08,869 just hearing the Saturn song and just being so happy. 185 00:11:08,902 --> 00:11:11,171 LOWENTHAL: I had one of those early EV1s, 186 00:11:11,204 --> 00:11:13,306 and I used it here in the capital. 187 00:11:13,340 --> 00:11:15,408 I loved the car. 188 00:11:15,442 --> 00:11:18,411 COLETTE DIVINE: It's sort of like everything Americans want in a car. 189 00:11:18,445 --> 00:11:21,514 They're cool, they're fast, they're sexy. 190 00:11:21,548 --> 00:11:23,784 I mean, I got in the car and I felt like... 191 00:11:27,620 --> 00:11:29,122 It was fairly reasonably priced. 192 00:11:29,156 --> 00:11:32,159 It was between $250 and $500 a month. 193 00:11:32,192 --> 00:11:33,861 I haven't tried accelerating too much, 194 00:11:33,894 --> 00:11:35,462 because there're too many cops around. 195 00:11:35,495 --> 00:11:38,531 I'm afraid I'll get a ticket. I'll be too excited. 196 00:11:38,565 --> 00:11:40,333 TOM HANKS: Believe it or not, that sucker goes. 197 00:11:40,367 --> 00:11:44,071 It will take you down the PCH so fast you could get a ticket. 198 00:11:48,909 --> 00:11:52,379 I did kind of feel like Batman, you know, that sort of, like... 199 00:11:52,412 --> 00:11:55,448 And the way it takes off out of the cave. 200 00:11:55,482 --> 00:11:58,018 You know, I have this gate that opens and it goes... 201 00:11:58,051 --> 00:11:59,119 (TIRES SQUEALING) 202 00:11:59,152 --> 00:12:00,387 KAREN THOMAS: You get inside, 203 00:12:00,420 --> 00:12:02,355 and the console is really near you 204 00:12:02,389 --> 00:12:05,358 and the lighting is beautiful. 205 00:12:05,392 --> 00:12:07,227 It was quiet. 206 00:12:07,260 --> 00:12:08,796 (WHOOSHING) 207 00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:16,336 The car was so fast it looked like it would outrun its own shadow. 208 00:12:17,670 --> 00:12:19,506 Oh, it's an awesome car to drive. 209 00:12:21,775 --> 00:12:24,744 It was the--the crest of a wave that we thought was coming in. 210 00:12:24,778 --> 00:12:27,414 It was the new thing that was going to, you know, 211 00:12:27,447 --> 00:12:29,316 change the way everybody travels. 212 00:12:29,349 --> 00:12:31,785 SHEEN: Other car companies began to comply, 213 00:12:31,819 --> 00:12:34,421 often with conversions of gas cars, 214 00:12:34,454 --> 00:12:38,125 but with many of the same advantages of the EV1. 215 00:12:42,762 --> 00:12:44,697 ALEXANDRA PAUL: I'm not mechanical at all, 216 00:12:44,731 --> 00:12:48,035 and I love dealing with my electric car 'cause it's so easy. 217 00:12:48,068 --> 00:12:53,807 I plug it in at night, and when I need to drive it, I unplug 218 00:12:53,841 --> 00:12:55,308 and drive it away. 219 00:12:55,342 --> 00:12:57,110 They're for people who love the environment. 220 00:12:57,144 --> 00:12:59,179 I say, they're just for people who love cars. 221 00:12:59,212 --> 00:13:00,814 They're for people who have to go somewhere. 222 00:13:00,848 --> 00:13:02,482 HANKS: Well, this is amazing. 223 00:13:02,515 --> 00:13:04,451 What you do is with this electric car, Dave, you put the key in 224 00:13:04,484 --> 00:13:06,453 and you turn it. DAVID LETTERMAN: Wow. 225 00:13:06,486 --> 00:13:09,489 And then there's this thing on the floor called the pedal. A pedal. 226 00:13:09,522 --> 00:13:12,659 The exciting thing about this is the cost of operating the car 227 00:13:12,692 --> 00:13:16,429 is the same as if you were driving a typical gasoline car. 228 00:13:16,463 --> 00:13:19,332 But the gasoline only costs 60 cents a gallon. 229 00:13:19,366 --> 00:13:21,969 Going to the gas station is a hassle, believe it or not. 230 00:13:22,002 --> 00:13:23,403 Plugging a car in is not. 231 00:13:23,436 --> 00:13:25,438 The battery, which you charge at home, 232 00:13:25,472 --> 00:13:28,341 it, uh, gets about, between 70 and 80 miles per charge, 233 00:13:28,375 --> 00:13:30,277 which for me is more than all the driving 234 00:13:30,310 --> 00:13:33,180 that I need to do in the course of a day. 235 00:13:33,213 --> 00:13:35,748 HANSSEN: People started seeing the cars on the road 236 00:13:35,782 --> 00:13:38,318 and getting a better understanding of what they could do. 237 00:13:38,351 --> 00:13:40,120 Friends and neighbors and relatives started saying, 238 00:13:40,153 --> 00:13:41,855 "Hey, that's a neat idea." You know, 239 00:13:41,889 --> 00:13:43,523 "I should get one of those." 240 00:13:43,556 --> 00:13:46,193 And we started seeing the momentum building for this 241 00:13:46,226 --> 00:13:49,529 and the waiting lists being created for these cars. 242 00:13:49,562 --> 00:13:51,464 Cut two. Cut two. 243 00:13:51,498 --> 00:13:57,437 I go online to look for other Toyota RAV4s, and I see Toyota RAV4 EV. 244 00:13:57,470 --> 00:13:59,839 And I said, "What's that?" Click. 245 00:13:59,873 --> 00:14:01,942 Wow, my whole world opened up. 246 00:14:01,975 --> 00:14:03,643 It's this electric vehicle. 247 00:14:03,676 --> 00:14:06,579 It goes, you know, 100 miles to a charge, blah, blah, blah, blah... 248 00:14:06,613 --> 00:14:08,882 I was just like, "I didn't know this existed. 249 00:14:08,916 --> 00:14:11,018 "I--I didn't know this was a possibility. 250 00:14:11,051 --> 00:14:12,585 "How come I don't know about this? 251 00:14:12,619 --> 00:14:14,387 "W-W-Well, have you seen this on TV?" 252 00:14:14,421 --> 00:14:16,556 When I first tried to buy the Honda EV Plus, 253 00:14:16,589 --> 00:14:20,260 I drove in it and I said, "Hey, this is a great car." I said, "I'll take it." 254 00:14:20,293 --> 00:14:24,231 Uh, the--the person who was trying to sell it to us was dumbfounded. 255 00:14:24,264 --> 00:14:27,234 He didn't know what to do. He'd never--never leased one before. 256 00:14:27,267 --> 00:14:30,703 Didn't know how to do it, and it took me six weeks of negotiations 257 00:14:30,737 --> 00:14:33,373 before I was able to get the car from their hands. 258 00:14:33,406 --> 00:14:35,208 T-There's nothing like driving a car 259 00:14:35,242 --> 00:14:37,477 when you realize as you're sitting in traffic, 260 00:14:37,510 --> 00:14:39,446 there's no pollution coming out of your tailpipe. 261 00:14:39,479 --> 00:14:42,482 There's, you're just sitting there with batteries on. 262 00:14:42,515 --> 00:14:45,953 LETTERMAN: By driving an electric car, what are you sparing us from? 263 00:14:45,986 --> 00:14:47,654 I'm saving America, Dave, that's what I'm doing. 264 00:14:47,687 --> 00:14:49,522 (LETTERMAN CHUCKLING) I am saving America, 265 00:14:49,556 --> 00:14:52,225 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) uh, by driving an electric car. 266 00:14:52,259 --> 00:14:56,396 SHEEN: Not everyone was sure that electric cars would save America. 267 00:14:56,429 --> 00:15:01,901 Even as GM rolled out its first batch of EV1s, there were skeptics. 268 00:15:01,935 --> 00:15:03,803 Consumer acceptance and understanding 269 00:15:03,836 --> 00:15:06,006 has been a key issue in all this. 270 00:15:06,039 --> 00:15:08,841 Um, and what we discovered is that people 271 00:15:08,875 --> 00:15:11,444 are very cautious about the electric car. 272 00:15:11,478 --> 00:15:12,779 I would consider it, but I--I don't know. 273 00:15:12,812 --> 00:15:14,114 I haven't done enough research, 274 00:15:14,147 --> 00:15:15,682 and I don't know if they're, like, 275 00:15:15,715 --> 00:15:18,918 gonna be strong and big and dependable. 276 00:15:18,952 --> 00:15:21,188 I have to know where I can go to, like, recharge it, 277 00:15:21,221 --> 00:15:23,490 or how to, what I got to do for the battery. 278 00:15:23,523 --> 00:15:25,892 RAMI KHOURY: People don't want a mini tiny car 279 00:15:25,925 --> 00:15:29,362 that has 15-inch wheels on there. 280 00:15:29,396 --> 00:15:32,966 How is he gonna fix that up and go around town and parade it? 281 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:37,504 SHEEN: While some consumers expressed skepticism about electric cars, 282 00:15:37,537 --> 00:15:40,140 California was pressured to drop the mandate. 283 00:15:40,173 --> 00:15:44,177 A group called Californians Against Utility Company Abuse 284 00:15:44,211 --> 00:15:48,015 fought a small utility surcharge to build charging stations. 285 00:15:48,048 --> 00:15:50,783 They would go to local city council meetings and say, 286 00:15:50,817 --> 00:15:53,553 "You don't want to put in an electric vehicle charging station there. 287 00:15:53,586 --> 00:15:56,189 "That's a waste of--of taxpayer money." 288 00:15:56,223 --> 00:15:58,158 They had this list of supporters. 289 00:15:58,191 --> 00:15:59,426 You know, companies like Trader Joe's 290 00:15:59,459 --> 00:16:00,727 and others which you'd say like, 291 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,695 "Why would they support something like this?" 292 00:16:02,729 --> 00:16:05,232 So the EV drivers actually got together and started writing letters 293 00:16:05,265 --> 00:16:07,467 to some of these people that were listed on their website 294 00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:10,903 as being supporters and said, "Do you realize what you're supporting here?" 295 00:16:10,937 --> 00:16:13,973 And they-- and they got all these names removed from the list. 296 00:16:14,007 --> 00:16:16,743 SHEEN: Further investigation revealed that these groups 297 00:16:16,776 --> 00:16:19,912 were consumer organizations in name only, 298 00:16:19,946 --> 00:16:23,983 funded almost exclusively by the oil industry. 299 00:16:26,286 --> 00:16:30,590 Oil companies also paid for editorials in national publications. 300 00:16:30,623 --> 00:16:36,429 They even argued that the environmental benefits of EVs were dubious. 301 00:16:36,463 --> 00:16:41,934 With electric vehicles, we're gonna have to shift our energy away from oil, 302 00:16:41,968 --> 00:16:43,403 and if we shift it to coal, 303 00:16:43,436 --> 00:16:44,971 there are some environmental problems 304 00:16:45,004 --> 00:16:48,208 that are just very disconcerting. 305 00:16:48,241 --> 00:16:51,178 BILL REINERT: Right now in the United States, we're 55% coal. 306 00:16:51,211 --> 00:16:53,746 If you run the numbers with standard coal power plants, 307 00:16:53,780 --> 00:16:56,483 you don't end up with a better environmental performance, 308 00:16:56,516 --> 00:16:57,850 you end up with a longer tailpipe. 309 00:16:57,884 --> 00:17:00,187 Well, there've been numerous studies conducted 310 00:17:00,220 --> 00:17:02,222 by the California Energy Commission 311 00:17:02,255 --> 00:17:07,060 that clearly show that electric drive is substantially more efficient 312 00:17:07,094 --> 00:17:08,961 and substantially less polluting 313 00:17:08,995 --> 00:17:12,099 even if you get your electricity from coal-fired plants. 314 00:17:12,132 --> 00:17:16,569 SHEEN: But the arguments against electrics did not stop there. 315 00:17:16,603 --> 00:17:19,005 They even made the ridiculous argument 316 00:17:19,038 --> 00:17:22,142 that there was an environmental justice issue involved, 317 00:17:22,175 --> 00:17:26,613 because they said only rich people could buy electric cars. 318 00:17:26,646 --> 00:17:29,516 Well, the air doesn't know a boundary 319 00:17:29,549 --> 00:17:31,884 between Brentwood and South LA. 320 00:17:31,918 --> 00:17:36,089 SHEEN: Car companies began to argue that the mandate was too strict. 321 00:17:36,123 --> 00:17:38,391 W-We had to help with the regulations. 322 00:17:38,425 --> 00:17:40,727 The regulatory people knew nothing about this stuff, 323 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,564 and we began to get the eerie feeling 324 00:17:44,597 --> 00:17:48,468 that we were going over a cliff. 325 00:17:48,501 --> 00:17:50,870 It wasn't going to be possible. 326 00:17:50,903 --> 00:17:54,807 California was faced with the prospect of, "What do you do 327 00:17:54,841 --> 00:17:57,744 "if the car companies don't comply?" 328 00:17:57,777 --> 00:18:01,548 And so rather than, you know, do brinksmanship 329 00:18:01,581 --> 00:18:04,984 about what would happen if they didn't comply and stick with it, 330 00:18:05,017 --> 00:18:06,786 they started negotiating, 331 00:18:06,819 --> 00:18:12,759 um, you know, certain flexibility in the mandate. 332 00:18:12,792 --> 00:18:15,628 SHEEN: California compromised with the automakers, 333 00:18:15,662 --> 00:18:19,332 adopting a memorandum of agreement. 334 00:18:19,366 --> 00:18:21,701 One of the agreements with the state 335 00:18:21,734 --> 00:18:23,470 was that the automakers would build 336 00:18:23,503 --> 00:18:26,439 and market electric vehicles in accordance with demand. 337 00:18:26,473 --> 00:18:28,441 SHEEN: If they didn't want to build more of them, 338 00:18:28,475 --> 00:18:33,079 the car companies would have to make the case that there was no demand. 339 00:18:33,112 --> 00:18:34,647 The person will go unnamed, 340 00:18:34,681 --> 00:18:37,517 but we were having, uh, lunch in the executive dining room 341 00:18:37,550 --> 00:18:39,719 at the GM Tech Center one day. 342 00:18:39,752 --> 00:18:42,755 And just the two of us, and he leans over to me and he says, 343 00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:46,526 "Dabels, you know something? You're my worst enemy." 344 00:18:46,559 --> 00:18:48,861 And I said, "Why is that?" And he said, 345 00:18:48,895 --> 00:18:51,331 "Well, I'm out there lobbying to show 346 00:18:51,364 --> 00:18:53,433 "that there's no demand for electric vehicles, 347 00:18:53,466 --> 00:18:55,768 "and you're out there proving me wrong." 348 00:18:55,802 --> 00:18:58,471 We would sit down with Hal Riney or with executives 349 00:18:58,505 --> 00:19:00,407 from GM and make, you know... 350 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,842 "How far? How fast? How much? These are the three questions we're getting. 351 00:19:02,875 --> 00:19:05,478 "Please put it in the advertising. It's not rocket science." 352 00:19:05,512 --> 00:19:07,747 And they would go back and do the exact opposite. 353 00:19:07,780 --> 00:19:10,783 You know, we never saw a TV ad 354 00:19:10,817 --> 00:19:13,853 with an electric car scampering up the side of a hill 355 00:19:13,886 --> 00:19:16,723 with a good-looking man or woman draped around it. 356 00:19:16,756 --> 00:19:18,891 That's the way they sell cars. 357 00:19:26,833 --> 00:19:30,737 WOMAN: How does it go without gas and air? 358 00:19:30,770 --> 00:19:35,007 How does it go without sparks and explosions? 359 00:19:35,041 --> 00:19:39,779 How does it go without gears or transmissions? 360 00:19:39,812 --> 00:19:43,216 How does it go, you ask yourself? 361 00:19:45,117 --> 00:19:48,288 And then you will ask, 362 00:19:48,321 --> 00:19:52,058 how did we go so long without it? 363 00:19:52,091 --> 00:19:54,060 The electric car. 364 00:19:54,093 --> 00:19:55,762 It isn't coming, 365 00:19:57,163 --> 00:19:58,798 it's here. 366 00:20:03,936 --> 00:20:06,906 SHEEN: What was the objective of these advertisements? 367 00:20:06,939 --> 00:20:11,110 Was it to entice consumers or to scare them away? 368 00:20:11,143 --> 00:20:15,047 Our goal at GM was to make the full-functioning battery electric vehicle 369 00:20:15,081 --> 00:20:18,418 a commercially viable business opportunity for General Motors. 370 00:20:18,451 --> 00:20:20,720 SHEEN: GM's spokesman, Dave Barthmuss, 371 00:20:20,753 --> 00:20:23,590 has worked for GM for nearly 10 years. 372 00:20:23,623 --> 00:20:25,792 We spent in excess of one billion dollars 373 00:20:25,825 --> 00:20:27,894 to drive this market, to build the market. 374 00:20:27,927 --> 00:20:31,331 That means award-winning advertising, developing the vehicle, 375 00:20:31,364 --> 00:20:34,100 developing the recharging infrastructure. 376 00:20:34,133 --> 00:20:38,170 And in a four-year time frame, from roughly 1996 to 2000, 377 00:20:38,204 --> 00:20:40,640 we were able to lease 800 EV1s. 378 00:20:40,673 --> 00:20:41,874 So we started this waiting list 379 00:20:41,908 --> 00:20:43,676 in order to prove demand to GM, 380 00:20:43,710 --> 00:20:46,846 but no matter how many people we got on that list, 381 00:20:46,879 --> 00:20:48,481 it was never considered enough demand. 382 00:20:48,515 --> 00:20:50,517 Everything was anecdotal to GM. 383 00:20:50,550 --> 00:20:52,719 We have heard about these l-l-long waiting lists, 384 00:20:52,752 --> 00:20:55,755 and frankly we did have a list of roughly 4,000 people 385 00:20:55,788 --> 00:20:57,690 that raised their hands and said, you know, 386 00:20:57,724 --> 00:21:00,560 "I would be interested in getting a new EV1 and being an EV1 leasee." 387 00:21:00,593 --> 00:21:01,928 We contacted each of those folks 388 00:21:01,961 --> 00:21:03,830 and we whittled that list down, 389 00:21:03,863 --> 00:21:06,433 and when we actually got down to a point where we were able 390 00:21:06,466 --> 00:21:07,967 to have somebody sign on the dotted line, 391 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,505 that list from 4,000 people shrunk to about 50. 392 00:21:12,539 --> 00:21:15,375 CHELSEA: Only recently did they finally admit 393 00:21:15,408 --> 00:21:17,043 that there actually was a waiting list 394 00:21:17,076 --> 00:21:19,011 and tried to explain in the way of, 395 00:21:19,045 --> 00:21:21,414 "By the time we explained all the limitations 396 00:21:21,448 --> 00:21:23,182 "of the car to them, only 50 would sign up." 397 00:21:23,215 --> 00:21:25,785 Well, if you sincerely want to market a product, 398 00:21:25,818 --> 00:21:27,454 you don't start out by describing 399 00:21:27,487 --> 00:21:29,389 the limitations of the product. 400 00:21:29,422 --> 00:21:32,892 SHEEN: Tom Everhart is president emeritus at Caltech. 401 00:21:32,925 --> 00:21:36,929 He served on GM's board of directors for 13 years. 402 00:21:36,963 --> 00:21:40,333 I do not think General Motors tried hard 403 00:21:40,367 --> 00:21:44,371 to get the electric cars out rapidly. 404 00:21:44,404 --> 00:21:46,272 Now whether the CEO of General Motors 405 00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:48,107 understood that, I don't know. 406 00:21:48,140 --> 00:21:51,177 We had to ask permission of whoever we wanted to give a car to, 407 00:21:51,210 --> 00:21:53,946 and then, by the end, when we were low on cars, 408 00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:55,815 we had to write case statements. 409 00:21:55,848 --> 00:21:58,184 And we tried to put the cars in hands of celebrities, 410 00:21:58,217 --> 00:22:02,121 because they were, number one, the only ones that stood a chance of getting the car. 411 00:22:02,154 --> 00:22:05,425 The third grade science teacher didn't stand a chance. 412 00:22:05,458 --> 00:22:07,460 I had to write a resume for Mel Gibson 413 00:22:07,494 --> 00:22:09,061 and what he'd done and accomplished 414 00:22:09,095 --> 00:22:10,997 because the people I was talking to didn't believe 415 00:22:11,030 --> 00:22:12,399 that he warranted a car. 416 00:22:12,432 --> 00:22:14,834 I was wondering, "Why do I have to fill this out?" you know. 417 00:22:14,867 --> 00:22:17,003 You had to tell them where your birthmarks were, you know. 418 00:22:17,036 --> 00:22:19,205 I mean, it was everything, you know. 419 00:22:19,238 --> 00:22:23,175 "Have you recently had a proctoscope, uh, inserted into your..." 420 00:22:23,209 --> 00:22:24,711 "Well, no." 421 00:22:24,744 --> 00:22:28,114 Uh, you know, you had to-- you had to get really specific 422 00:22:28,147 --> 00:22:29,749 about a whole bunch of things. 423 00:22:29,782 --> 00:22:33,586 Consumers wanted it, but they regarded it as a limited vehicle, 424 00:22:33,620 --> 00:22:36,155 and they expected to pay a limited price for it. 425 00:22:36,188 --> 00:22:40,560 And there's nothing irrational about the consumer that said that to us. 426 00:22:40,593 --> 00:22:43,062 That's a perfectly reasonable statement. 427 00:22:43,095 --> 00:22:46,766 "You're giving me a vehicle that does less, I wanna pay less." 428 00:22:47,834 --> 00:22:49,268 Okay. 429 00:22:49,301 --> 00:22:52,138 But unfortunately I couldn't make it for less. 430 00:22:52,171 --> 00:22:53,573 They argued things like money, 431 00:22:53,606 --> 00:22:54,941 and they're too expensive to build, 432 00:22:54,974 --> 00:22:57,043 and yet they're building four a day. 433 00:22:57,076 --> 00:23:00,813 I mean, they were very hand-built cars with specialized components. 434 00:23:00,847 --> 00:23:02,381 And had they mass-marketed them, 435 00:23:02,415 --> 00:23:04,784 they, of course, would have come down. 436 00:23:04,817 --> 00:23:08,120 SHEEN: As car companies made the case there was no demand, 437 00:23:08,154 --> 00:23:11,891 electric vehicle advocates thought they had a sympathetic ear 438 00:23:11,924 --> 00:23:16,128 with the appointment of environmental scientist, Dr. Alan Lloyd, 439 00:23:16,162 --> 00:23:19,499 as chairman of the California Air Resources Board. 440 00:23:19,532 --> 00:23:22,569 First time I presided over that, 441 00:23:22,602 --> 00:23:26,839 I felt that the car companies weren't making significant effort to it, 442 00:23:26,873 --> 00:23:29,108 so I felt that, "Well, flog them harder, 443 00:23:29,141 --> 00:23:31,544 "flog them often. They need to do better." 444 00:23:31,578 --> 00:23:37,083 For the regulation, we felt, needed to be changed drastically. 445 00:23:37,116 --> 00:23:40,620 And there was some movement that way, but--but it didn't go away. 446 00:23:40,653 --> 00:23:43,956 SHEEN: While the car companies fought the mandate in Sacramento, 447 00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:47,960 GM quietly closed its EV1 assembly line 448 00:23:47,994 --> 00:23:50,162 and began laying off its sales force. 449 00:23:50,196 --> 00:23:52,765 CHELSEA: All of a sudden we were not only taken off 450 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:54,601 the project but taken out of the company. 451 00:23:54,634 --> 00:23:56,836 They started with the ones with the most... 452 00:23:56,869 --> 00:23:58,871 The biggest waiting lists and the most customers, 453 00:23:58,905 --> 00:24:00,172 and, you know, the primary areas 454 00:24:00,206 --> 00:24:02,341 were the ones they dismantled first. 455 00:24:02,374 --> 00:24:05,111 And so at the end of 2001, you know, that was it 456 00:24:05,144 --> 00:24:07,013 in terms of my employment with General Motors. 457 00:24:07,046 --> 00:24:09,849 Studying General Motors' practices over the years, 458 00:24:09,882 --> 00:24:11,918 and I don't speak for the engineers and scientists 459 00:24:11,951 --> 00:24:13,419 who would really have liked to have done 460 00:24:13,452 --> 00:24:16,322 a better job with motor-vehicle technology, 461 00:24:16,355 --> 00:24:17,957 but the executives at the top, 462 00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:19,559 their motto seemed to have been, 463 00:24:19,592 --> 00:24:21,528 "Going backwards into the future." 464 00:24:21,561 --> 00:24:25,031 And that's what they've been doing for decades. 465 00:24:25,064 --> 00:24:27,166 SHEEN: As a veteran consumer advocate, 466 00:24:27,199 --> 00:24:29,736 Ralph Nader used grassroots campaigns 467 00:24:29,769 --> 00:24:32,605 to make cars safer and more fuel-efficient. 468 00:24:32,639 --> 00:24:34,206 He's familiar with the tactics used 469 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,376 by the auto industry to resist change. 470 00:24:37,409 --> 00:24:39,045 RALPH NADER: There're all kinds of ways 471 00:24:39,078 --> 00:24:41,113 that they can bring politicians to their knees. 472 00:24:41,147 --> 00:24:44,150 Once the auto companies get a long lee time, 473 00:24:44,183 --> 00:24:46,819 then they go to work eroding, eroding, 474 00:24:46,853 --> 00:24:49,722 and then when the deadline is approaching, they say we can't do it, 475 00:24:49,756 --> 00:24:52,124 and there are gonna be terrible consequences. 476 00:24:52,158 --> 00:24:55,194 SHEEN: Automakers took the fight to a new level. 477 00:24:55,227 --> 00:24:59,699 They sued California's Air Resources Board. 478 00:24:59,732 --> 00:25:03,435 GM lead the lawsuit, soon joined by Chrysler 479 00:25:03,469 --> 00:25:06,105 and several auto dealerships. 480 00:25:06,138 --> 00:25:09,208 As California withered under the pressure, 481 00:25:09,241 --> 00:25:12,211 the carmakers found a powerful new ally, 482 00:25:13,379 --> 00:25:16,048 the federal government. 483 00:25:16,082 --> 00:25:18,150 Shortly after joining the suit, 484 00:25:18,184 --> 00:25:20,753 the Bush administration made another announcement. 485 00:25:20,787 --> 00:25:25,057 Tonight I'm proposing $1.2 billion in research funding 486 00:25:25,091 --> 00:25:27,093 so that America can lead the world 487 00:25:27,126 --> 00:25:31,598 in developing clean hydrogen-powered automobiles. 488 00:25:31,631 --> 00:25:33,933 (CLAPPING) 489 00:25:33,966 --> 00:25:37,403 SHEEN: The federal government joined the car and oil industries 490 00:25:37,436 --> 00:25:41,107 to embrace a new clean car of the future. 491 00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:44,376 With more than a billion federal dollars up for grabs, 492 00:25:44,410 --> 00:25:49,015 over the next few years the campaign for hydrogen fuel cell vehicles 493 00:25:49,048 --> 00:25:51,283 began to sway California. 494 00:25:51,317 --> 00:25:54,420 MAN ON TV: Hello there and welcome to the California Fuel Cell Partnership 495 00:25:54,453 --> 00:25:56,989 where we're fueling the future in a new 496 00:25:57,023 --> 00:25:59,425 and environmentally friendly way. 497 00:25:59,458 --> 00:26:02,394 Automakers, energy and technology providers, 498 00:26:02,428 --> 00:26:04,230 along with government agencies 499 00:26:04,263 --> 00:26:06,298 are voluntarily working together 500 00:26:06,332 --> 00:26:10,202 to commercialize the fuel cell for cars and buses. 501 00:26:10,236 --> 00:26:11,804 Soon you may see some of these cars 502 00:26:11,838 --> 00:26:13,940 cruising through your very own neighborhood. 503 00:26:13,973 --> 00:26:16,843 ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER: We wanna just dream about the hydrogen fueling stations. 504 00:26:16,876 --> 00:26:20,713 We wanna just dream about the hydrogen cars. We will build it. 505 00:26:20,747 --> 00:26:25,084 The hydrogen Hummer is not a production vehicle, it's a concept vehicle. 506 00:26:25,117 --> 00:26:28,821 It's a way for Governor Schwarzenegger to have a property 507 00:26:28,855 --> 00:26:31,257 at various events that he goes to when he unveils 508 00:26:31,290 --> 00:26:35,161 a new hydrogen refueling station. At LAX, for example. 509 00:26:35,194 --> 00:26:37,429 SCHWARZENEGGER: I am going to encourage the building 510 00:26:37,463 --> 00:26:38,765 of a hydrogen highway 511 00:26:38,798 --> 00:26:41,300 to take us to the environmental future. 512 00:26:41,333 --> 00:26:43,569 SHEEN: While hydrogen fuel cells offered 513 00:26:43,602 --> 00:26:46,839 an exciting alternative sometime in the future, 514 00:26:46,873 --> 00:26:49,909 what would happen to the technology of today? 515 00:26:49,942 --> 00:26:52,945 What would happen to the electric car? 516 00:26:52,979 --> 00:26:55,414 It all came down to a decisive meeting 517 00:26:55,447 --> 00:26:58,317 at California's Air Resources Board. 518 00:26:58,350 --> 00:27:01,020 Citizens and industry alike testified 519 00:27:01,053 --> 00:27:04,991 as CARB prepared to vote on the fate of the electric car. 520 00:27:05,024 --> 00:27:08,094 I'd also like to thank all the other stakeholders, 521 00:27:08,127 --> 00:27:11,297 particularly also the auto industry 522 00:27:11,330 --> 00:27:14,466 who is going to also have a major impact here. 523 00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:18,270 I like the fact that hydrogen might be in a position 524 00:27:18,304 --> 00:27:22,108 to, uh, displace, uh, the petroleum, uh, products. 525 00:27:22,141 --> 00:27:25,377 DORENE D'ADAMO: I share your optimism on fuel cells, just not to the extent. 526 00:27:25,411 --> 00:27:28,781 I think it's a bait-and-switch, um, uh, strategy. 527 00:27:28,815 --> 00:27:30,282 I hope I'm wrong. 528 00:27:30,316 --> 00:27:33,385 I'm concerned that we've picked numbers 529 00:27:33,419 --> 00:27:36,522 that are based entirely on fuel cells. 530 00:27:36,555 --> 00:27:38,424 What if fuel cells don't work? 531 00:27:41,427 --> 00:27:43,262 It seems that most of the recent changes 532 00:27:43,295 --> 00:27:44,731 to the mandate have been designed 533 00:27:44,764 --> 00:27:46,532 to ease the burden on the automakers. 534 00:27:46,565 --> 00:27:49,368 You're part of the environmental protection agency, 535 00:27:49,401 --> 00:27:51,871 not the corporate profit protection agency. 536 00:27:51,904 --> 00:27:55,341 I think that we've been a contributor to this marketplace, too... 537 00:27:55,374 --> 00:27:56,976 ALAN LLOYD: I agree, I agree, I agree. 538 00:27:57,009 --> 00:27:59,111 But, remember, there are many of you. 539 00:27:59,145 --> 00:28:02,314 We're not giving more time to the auto manufacturers. 540 00:28:02,348 --> 00:28:06,853 Lou Browning, I think, had--had the, uh, job to present the EPRI report, 541 00:28:06,886 --> 00:28:08,620 and he'd been promised 10 minutes. 542 00:28:08,654 --> 00:28:10,256 Uh, one of the things we've found... 543 00:28:10,289 --> 00:28:12,224 Dr. Browning, I would appreciate if you could 544 00:28:12,258 --> 00:28:13,893 summarize this in three minutes. 545 00:28:13,926 --> 00:28:15,762 Okay, I thought I had 10 but... 546 00:28:15,795 --> 00:28:20,132 Alan Lloyd cut him off, whereas he had given the automakers, 547 00:28:20,166 --> 00:28:22,568 uh, sort of unlimited time earlier in the day. 548 00:28:22,601 --> 00:28:24,503 And the improvements we need in fuel cells 549 00:28:24,536 --> 00:28:27,373 are to get, uh, mainly to get the cost down. 550 00:28:27,406 --> 00:28:30,076 In addition, we've recently certified and introduced 551 00:28:30,109 --> 00:28:32,444 the Honda FCX fuel cell vehicle. 552 00:28:32,478 --> 00:28:35,014 Largely, this work is being pushed forward 553 00:28:35,047 --> 00:28:37,016 through the California Fuel Cell Partnership, 554 00:28:37,049 --> 00:28:39,952 which has been very valuable in pulling together the diverse interests. 555 00:28:39,986 --> 00:28:44,456 Any new information on batteries that--that sort of didn't-- didn't mesh 556 00:28:44,490 --> 00:28:47,093 with the overall conclusions was really just shut out 557 00:28:47,126 --> 00:28:49,261 very fast by Alan Lloyd. 558 00:28:49,295 --> 00:28:53,465 Let's get it clear. I'm not trying to show any-- any bias or anything here. 559 00:28:53,499 --> 00:28:56,368 And there were 80 people who came to speak for electric cars 560 00:28:56,402 --> 00:28:58,971 and only two industry representatives 561 00:28:59,005 --> 00:29:01,440 on the side, uh, to kill the mandate. 562 00:29:01,473 --> 00:29:06,078 We have four people out of 78 563 00:29:06,112 --> 00:29:08,514 who are supporting this proposal. 564 00:29:08,547 --> 00:29:10,316 How did we end up with this? 565 00:29:10,349 --> 00:29:12,819 This is a tough, tough program. 566 00:29:12,852 --> 00:29:15,087 It's a revolutionary program. 567 00:29:15,121 --> 00:29:17,389 It pushes the automakers hard. 568 00:29:17,423 --> 00:29:19,625 And they don't like it, and they push back hard. 569 00:29:19,658 --> 00:29:23,262 As you deliberate today on the fate of this program, 570 00:29:23,295 --> 00:29:27,433 I urge you to summon all of your political courage 571 00:29:27,466 --> 00:29:29,501 to make the hard choices that you know 572 00:29:29,535 --> 00:29:31,470 you need to make on this program. 573 00:29:31,503 --> 00:29:33,840 Because when it comes to protecting the health 574 00:29:33,873 --> 00:29:35,374 of the people of California, 575 00:29:35,407 --> 00:29:38,878 there are simply no more easy choices to make. 576 00:29:59,498 --> 00:30:02,101 I saw this as losing this wonderful opportunity, 577 00:30:02,134 --> 00:30:03,635 that we had really invested a great deal 578 00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:07,273 in the infrastructure, in the technology. 579 00:30:07,306 --> 00:30:08,875 It was like the rug was pulled out. 580 00:30:08,908 --> 00:30:13,279 They gave it away. And to me that's just sad. 581 00:30:13,312 --> 00:30:17,349 It's a sad commentary on the way our society 582 00:30:17,383 --> 00:30:20,686 and our system in--in the United States works. 583 00:30:20,719 --> 00:30:22,889 When GM introduced the EV1, 584 00:30:22,922 --> 00:30:24,523 California was setting the toughest 585 00:30:24,556 --> 00:30:26,926 auto pollution standards in the nation. 586 00:30:26,959 --> 00:30:29,461 10% of all cars sold here this year 587 00:30:29,495 --> 00:30:31,730 were to be zero-emission vehicles. 588 00:30:31,763 --> 00:30:33,933 But California dropped those standards 589 00:30:33,966 --> 00:30:35,902 after being sued by automakers. 590 00:30:35,935 --> 00:30:39,671 A lot of the vehicles, the Honda vehicles, the General Motors vehicles, 591 00:30:39,705 --> 00:30:43,109 were all leased and nobody had the option to buy. 592 00:30:43,142 --> 00:30:46,078 So the automakers took advantage of that 593 00:30:46,112 --> 00:30:48,047 and pulled all the cars off the road. 594 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,649 They weren't willing to let people take the cars 595 00:30:50,682 --> 00:30:53,519 and actually drive them and keep driving them like normal cars. 596 00:30:53,552 --> 00:30:56,688 I'll tell you when I noticed that GM was losing interest 597 00:30:56,722 --> 00:31:01,293 was when I wanted to re-lease my car and they wouldn't let me. 598 00:31:01,327 --> 00:31:05,064 I've never had a product I've had to beg and fight 599 00:31:05,097 --> 00:31:08,734 and--and, uh, cajole 600 00:31:08,767 --> 00:31:11,437 and persist so much to get. 601 00:31:11,470 --> 00:31:15,074 And then I had to try and beg and--and fight 602 00:31:15,107 --> 00:31:17,743 and find any way possible to try and keep. 603 00:31:17,776 --> 00:31:21,047 Well, they did not give you... They didn't give you an option to buy. 604 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,082 They said, "Thank you for leasing the car. 605 00:31:23,115 --> 00:31:24,583 "Bye-bye." That's it. 606 00:31:24,616 --> 00:31:26,085 "Turn it in by such and such a day 607 00:31:26,118 --> 00:31:27,686 "or you're gonna be held liable." 608 00:31:27,719 --> 00:31:31,223 CHELSEA: GM had very quietly gone about taking cars back 609 00:31:31,257 --> 00:31:33,192 without anybody saying very much 610 00:31:33,225 --> 00:31:34,726 other than some of the drivers 611 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,996 that complained about having their cars taken away, 612 00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:38,965 but never in a big organized fashion. 613 00:31:38,998 --> 00:31:40,933 They had no choice but to turn them in 614 00:31:40,967 --> 00:31:45,537 or, you know, face the legal consequences of basically stealing a car. 615 00:31:45,571 --> 00:31:47,206 To my knowledge all the cars were turned in 616 00:31:47,239 --> 00:31:49,308 because people had too much to lose. 617 00:31:49,341 --> 00:31:53,645 To this day, the automakers have fought anyone actually understanding 618 00:31:53,679 --> 00:31:56,648 how much demand there was and how much demand that there is. 619 00:31:56,682 --> 00:31:59,285 And so we decided we were going to fight them 620 00:31:59,318 --> 00:32:02,989 in whatever way we could, and we became organizers. 621 00:32:03,022 --> 00:32:07,593 SHEEN: Across California, drivers held protests to save electric cars. 622 00:32:07,626 --> 00:32:10,562 "...turned my head around about electric cars. 623 00:32:10,596 --> 00:32:13,966 "And it broke me of my addiction to oil." 624 00:32:36,855 --> 00:32:38,490 (BAGPIPE PLAYING) 625 00:32:39,925 --> 00:32:41,593 SHEEN: Unable to change policy, 626 00:32:41,627 --> 00:32:45,998 activists staged a funeral to raise public awareness. 627 00:32:46,032 --> 00:32:50,236 It was the same month as the first stage-one smog alert 628 00:32:50,269 --> 00:32:53,605 in Southern California in five years. 629 00:32:53,639 --> 00:32:56,142 I was an EV1 driver, still am, 630 00:32:56,175 --> 00:32:59,045 from 1998 until December of this year 631 00:32:59,078 --> 00:33:00,912 when GM will have to pry it out 632 00:33:00,946 --> 00:33:03,449 of my charger's dead cold hands. 633 00:33:03,482 --> 00:33:04,550 (CROWD LAUGHING) 634 00:33:04,583 --> 00:33:06,252 What the detractors and the critics 635 00:33:06,285 --> 00:33:10,256 of electric vehicles have been saying for years is true. 636 00:33:10,289 --> 00:33:12,991 The electric vehicle is not for everybody. 637 00:33:13,025 --> 00:33:18,064 Given the limited range, it can only meet the needs of 90% of the population. 638 00:33:18,097 --> 00:33:19,531 (CLAPPING) 639 00:33:22,701 --> 00:33:24,803 People used to ask me, "Why do you do what you do?" 640 00:33:24,836 --> 00:33:28,006 And I, especially after I had my son, told them, 641 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,209 "I figure if I do my job well enough, 642 00:33:30,242 --> 00:33:31,877 "my son will never know a time 643 00:33:31,910 --> 00:33:34,046 "before there were electric cars on the road." 644 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,217 And he rode in an EV1 on the way over here, and he said, 645 00:33:38,250 --> 00:33:41,287 "I wish we could keep the EV1 for a long time." 646 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,655 And all I could say was, "Me, too." 647 00:33:52,598 --> 00:33:54,600 SHEEN: By the summer of 2004, 648 00:33:54,633 --> 00:33:57,269 there was only a single EV1 left 649 00:33:57,303 --> 00:33:59,638 in private hands in southern California. 650 00:33:59,671 --> 00:34:03,175 PETER HORTON: Today is D-day. Today is the end. 651 00:34:03,209 --> 00:34:04,476 GM did do it right. 652 00:34:04,510 --> 00:34:06,678 They did create a great, great car. 653 00:34:06,712 --> 00:34:11,117 It's well-engineered, it's well-designed and it's enjoyable to drive. 654 00:34:11,150 --> 00:34:17,356 I've never seen a company be so cannibalistic about its own product before. 655 00:34:17,389 --> 00:34:20,459 It's-- It's such an odd experience. 656 00:34:36,342 --> 00:34:38,310 MAN: What makes that car go? 657 00:34:38,344 --> 00:34:40,379 You press this button. 658 00:34:40,412 --> 00:34:42,648 GIRL: Press that right there. 659 00:34:42,681 --> 00:34:45,717 HORTON: It's an electric car like Daddy's was. 660 00:34:47,453 --> 00:34:49,621 Hey, you got here just in time. 661 00:34:49,655 --> 00:34:52,391 I know. I see that. 662 00:34:52,424 --> 00:34:53,825 So sad. 663 00:34:55,794 --> 00:34:59,665 This is the EV specialist I was talking about who gave me her car. 664 00:34:59,698 --> 00:35:01,167 It's completely sad. Heartbroken. 665 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,801 Are you kidding me? 666 00:35:02,834 --> 00:35:05,504 They're my babies, every one of them. 667 00:35:12,878 --> 00:35:16,382 A lot of-- a lot of human potential just drove off. 668 00:35:17,316 --> 00:35:18,750 The fight continues. 669 00:35:18,784 --> 00:35:20,152 CHELSEA: It does. 670 00:35:31,029 --> 00:35:33,499 SHEEN: With no more electric cars on the road, 671 00:35:33,532 --> 00:35:38,670 General Motors now had possession of their entire EV1 fleet. 672 00:35:38,704 --> 00:35:40,672 Why did they want them back? 673 00:35:40,706 --> 00:35:42,974 What were they going to do with these cars? 674 00:35:43,008 --> 00:35:47,313 We had discovered 78 EV1s parked in the back parking lot 675 00:35:47,346 --> 00:35:50,949 of a facility that GM owns in Burbank. 676 00:35:50,982 --> 00:35:54,720 But taking off the cars that were on the road that were running fine, 677 00:35:54,753 --> 00:35:56,722 just let those people drive those cars 678 00:35:56,755 --> 00:35:58,890 until they can't drive them anymore. 679 00:36:04,196 --> 00:36:05,497 MAN: Where're you guys from? 680 00:36:05,531 --> 00:36:07,666 SCOTT: We're from the EV1 Club, 681 00:36:07,699 --> 00:36:10,602 and we want to come and take a--a look at our cars. 682 00:36:10,636 --> 00:36:12,638 I know they're being mothballed here. 683 00:36:12,671 --> 00:36:14,340 Yeah, I have no authorization for you guys 684 00:36:14,373 --> 00:36:16,107 to come back there and look at the cars. 685 00:36:16,141 --> 00:36:17,175 Can we just go and like... 686 00:36:17,209 --> 00:36:18,910 No. 687 00:36:18,944 --> 00:36:21,847 SHEEN: There were no clues as to where the cars were going 688 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,851 until a rumor surfaced on the Internet. 689 00:36:25,884 --> 00:36:29,421 We had the understanding, uh, through back-channels 690 00:36:29,455 --> 00:36:31,990 that these vehicles were about to be taken 691 00:36:32,023 --> 00:36:33,759 to the Arizona proving grounds. 692 00:36:33,792 --> 00:36:37,162 SHEEN: Many EV1s had apparently been trucked out of state 693 00:36:37,195 --> 00:36:41,300 to GM's vast proving grounds in Mesa, Arizona. 694 00:36:41,333 --> 00:36:44,936 MAN: ...so large and it has the track denoted... 695 00:36:44,970 --> 00:36:47,339 The location was off-limits to the public, 696 00:36:47,373 --> 00:36:51,277 and there was no way of knowing where the EV1s might be. 697 00:36:58,484 --> 00:37:00,986 CHRIS PAINE ON RADIO: We're flying over GM. 698 00:37:03,154 --> 00:37:05,223 No where around. 699 00:37:08,093 --> 00:37:09,861 There they are. 700 00:37:10,929 --> 00:37:12,298 Wow. 701 00:37:16,067 --> 00:37:17,903 Well, we flew over General Motors, 702 00:37:17,936 --> 00:37:21,873 and looking down we could see right next to the race track 703 00:37:21,907 --> 00:37:25,076 where the EV1 was first tested, we saw, 704 00:37:25,110 --> 00:37:27,946 I don't know, maybe 50 EV1s crushed 705 00:37:27,979 --> 00:37:30,316 and put on top of semi-flatbeds 706 00:37:30,349 --> 00:37:33,184 right next to the yellow crusher. 707 00:37:33,218 --> 00:37:35,787 General Motors is almost finished off, I think. 708 00:37:35,821 --> 00:37:41,226 I don't imagine there's very many EV1s left that haven't been--been crushed up. 709 00:37:41,259 --> 00:37:42,994 It's pretty sad. 710 00:37:48,767 --> 00:37:51,970 DAVE BARTHMUSS: There's one of four things that will happen with the EV1s. 711 00:37:52,003 --> 00:37:54,773 They'll go to colleges and universities and engineering schools. 712 00:37:54,806 --> 00:37:57,909 They'll go to museums and other displays across the country. 713 00:37:57,943 --> 00:38:01,480 Other EV1 vehicles are being driven by our engineers. 714 00:38:01,513 --> 00:38:02,981 And the other option for the EV1s 715 00:38:03,014 --> 00:38:05,150 at the end of their life is recycling. 716 00:38:05,183 --> 00:38:08,654 But know that every one, every part of the EV1 is going to be recycled, 717 00:38:08,687 --> 00:38:10,556 dismantled through a third party and then reused. 718 00:38:10,589 --> 00:38:11,890 Everything is going to be recycled. 719 00:38:11,923 --> 00:38:13,625 We're not just going to crush it 720 00:38:13,659 --> 00:38:15,761 and send it off to a landfill. 721 00:38:21,733 --> 00:38:24,670 When I saw the picture of the pile of crushed cars, 722 00:38:24,703 --> 00:38:29,808 it--it hurt and I, you know, I thought it was, uh, pretty spiteful. 723 00:38:29,841 --> 00:38:34,646 To see, on the, you know, on the computer, on the I-Internet, 724 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,384 the--the crushed EV1s that GM did... 725 00:38:38,417 --> 00:38:40,218 It was-- it was wrong. It was wrong. 726 00:38:40,251 --> 00:38:41,620 Tragic. That was tragic. 727 00:38:41,653 --> 00:38:46,525 But more wrong is the reasons for it. 728 00:38:46,558 --> 00:38:50,061 All of a sudden we were sort of left at odds. You know, "What do we do now?" 729 00:38:50,095 --> 00:38:52,030 And at the time that most of this was going on, 730 00:38:52,063 --> 00:38:56,568 no one had any idea that every automaker was going to jump ship. 731 00:38:56,602 --> 00:38:59,538 SHEEN: More Internet tips revealed that the EV1s 732 00:38:59,571 --> 00:39:03,041 were not the only electric vehicles in jeopardy. 733 00:39:03,074 --> 00:39:05,911 A number of Ford Th!nks and Ranger electric trucks 734 00:39:05,944 --> 00:39:08,113 were discovered in Palm Springs 735 00:39:08,146 --> 00:39:10,816 and rumored to be set for destruction. 736 00:39:12,017 --> 00:39:14,085 In Los Angeles, activists spotted 737 00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:16,855 a truck-load of Toyota RAV4 EVs. 738 00:39:16,888 --> 00:39:20,926 Fearing the destination was a crushing facility, they chased it. 739 00:39:20,959 --> 00:39:23,762 The next morning, the truck turned back. 740 00:39:23,795 --> 00:39:26,765 LINDA NICHOLES: That guy was going as fast as he possibly could 741 00:39:26,798 --> 00:39:28,434 in a big transport like that, 742 00:39:28,467 --> 00:39:30,602 trying to lose us, it was clear. 743 00:39:30,636 --> 00:39:32,103 But wasn't able to do it and, of course, 744 00:39:32,137 --> 00:39:34,706 that did change Toyota's plans. 745 00:39:34,740 --> 00:39:38,844 It was so inconsistent, they didn't know what the hell to do. 746 00:39:40,378 --> 00:39:42,113 Then he goes to the end of the pier, 747 00:39:42,147 --> 00:39:44,816 and these two big security guards come out, 748 00:39:44,850 --> 00:39:46,918 they open this locked gate, 749 00:39:46,952 --> 00:39:52,057 truck goes inside and-- and then the security guards come out and surveil us. 750 00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:55,126 Somehow we ended up at--at this godforsaken place. 751 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:56,962 Which has everything. 752 00:39:56,995 --> 00:39:59,831 It has spewing smoke into the harbor that kids have to breathe. 753 00:39:59,865 --> 00:40:03,602 It has an oil well and it has Toyota, which is supposed to be 754 00:40:03,635 --> 00:40:07,639 the greenest car company, but which is simultaneously crushing 755 00:40:07,673 --> 00:40:11,843 and hiding the fact that they're crushing clean RAV4 EVs, 756 00:40:11,877 --> 00:40:15,046 instead of selling them to willing customers. 757 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,483 SHEEN: No one had seen Honda's electric cars 758 00:40:17,516 --> 00:40:20,085 since they were taken from customers. 759 00:40:20,118 --> 00:40:25,056 Then, an episode of California's Green aired on PBS. 760 00:40:25,090 --> 00:40:28,860 So we're gonna be able to see cars shredded today. 761 00:40:28,894 --> 00:40:30,095 Absolutely. 762 00:40:30,128 --> 00:40:32,631 Which is not something most of us get to see. 763 00:40:32,664 --> 00:40:34,800 We shred the cars, about a car a minute, 764 00:40:34,833 --> 00:40:36,935 1,000 cars a day on a good day. 765 00:40:36,968 --> 00:40:39,070 And what's interesting, the first thing 766 00:40:39,104 --> 00:40:41,239 we noticed when we drove up here, 767 00:40:41,272 --> 00:40:44,142 you're gonna be shredding some new cars here, too. 768 00:40:44,175 --> 00:40:46,044 These look like perfectly good cars. 769 00:40:46,077 --> 00:40:48,079 Why are you shredding them up? 770 00:40:48,113 --> 00:40:50,015 Uh, little bit of a mystery really 771 00:40:50,048 --> 00:40:51,717 since I've been here the last eight years. 772 00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:54,119 They bring us these cars from the dealerships 773 00:40:54,152 --> 00:40:56,054 and say that they're test cars. 774 00:40:56,087 --> 00:40:58,890 And they've been brought over to test various emissions, 775 00:40:58,924 --> 00:41:00,992 and the insurance companies won't reinsure them. 776 00:41:01,026 --> 00:41:03,028 So, they have to watch them destroyed here. 777 00:41:03,061 --> 00:41:05,196 HUELL HOWSER: Boy, that seems like a shame. 778 00:41:05,230 --> 00:41:07,633 I'd like to drive off in one of these things. 779 00:41:07,666 --> 00:41:09,367 (ROARING) 780 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:14,039 Ladies and gentlemen, that's the sound of a crushed automobile 781 00:41:14,072 --> 00:41:17,509 being shredded into a million pieces. 782 00:41:31,156 --> 00:41:34,125 There's no precedent for a car company rounding up 783 00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:36,094 every one of a particular kind of car, 784 00:41:36,127 --> 00:41:39,565 and crushing them as if they're afraid one might get away. 785 00:41:39,598 --> 00:41:41,332 I think they wanted to be sure 786 00:41:41,366 --> 00:41:44,135 that none of them were driving around in the streets anymore, 787 00:41:44,169 --> 00:41:48,473 to remind people that there is such a thing as an electric car. 788 00:41:48,506 --> 00:41:50,676 CHELSEA: People keep making all these analogies about, 789 00:41:50,709 --> 00:41:54,312 you know, crushing the EV is a betrayal of the American dream. 790 00:41:54,345 --> 00:41:56,682 It's not a dream. I mean, it's here and now. 791 00:41:56,715 --> 00:41:59,117 It may be a betrayal of my dream, 792 00:41:59,150 --> 00:42:02,187 but it's a betrayal of the American reality. 793 00:42:02,220 --> 00:42:05,691 SHEEN: After the discovery of the crushed EV1s in Arizona, 794 00:42:05,724 --> 00:42:08,093 electric car drivers took action. 795 00:42:08,126 --> 00:42:11,129 They vowed to keep watch over the remaining EV1s 796 00:42:11,162 --> 00:42:14,633 being stored at the GM facility in Burbank. 797 00:42:14,666 --> 00:42:17,703 There are about 70 cars left in California. 798 00:42:17,736 --> 00:42:19,971 They're in the parking lot behind me, 799 00:42:20,005 --> 00:42:22,941 and they have plans to crush those, as well. 800 00:42:22,974 --> 00:42:26,077 And we need to make a call-out action 801 00:42:26,111 --> 00:42:29,247 on General Motors to give them back. 802 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,282 You know, we ended up rallying enough troops 803 00:42:31,316 --> 00:42:34,452 in terms of interests and organizations to join our coalitions, 804 00:42:34,485 --> 00:42:36,321 and then simply didn't leave, 805 00:42:36,354 --> 00:42:39,157 and stayed, you know, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. 806 00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:44,529 It's 6:00 a.m., and I've been here for an hour, part of the vigil. 807 00:42:44,562 --> 00:42:49,500 We're making sure that GM doesn't sneak out their cars in the back lot. 808 00:42:49,534 --> 00:42:52,771 The first two weeks we were pretty much ignored. 809 00:42:52,804 --> 00:42:54,272 It was, like, monsoon rains, 810 00:42:54,305 --> 00:42:56,742 and it was kind of depressing to be out there, 811 00:42:56,775 --> 00:42:59,277 but at the same time, there was such a sense of mission. 812 00:42:59,310 --> 00:43:02,413 I was here this morning from about 5:45 a.m., 813 00:43:02,447 --> 00:43:06,785 and, you know, it's pretty-- it's pretty quiet. 814 00:43:06,818 --> 00:43:10,555 Finally, on day 15, we did this announcement of this offer. 815 00:43:10,588 --> 00:43:14,993 SHEEN: As the EV activists recorded the VIN numbers of the cars in storage, 816 00:43:15,026 --> 00:43:19,597 Chelsea led a last-ditch effort to buy the cars from GM. 817 00:43:19,631 --> 00:43:23,301 CHELSEA: "Okay, General Motors contends that no one wants these EV1s here. 818 00:43:23,334 --> 00:43:24,936 "Would anybody be willing to buy them 819 00:43:24,970 --> 00:43:26,437 "for the residual price of the lease?" 820 00:43:26,471 --> 00:43:30,208 And within 48 hours, over 80 people had signed up. 821 00:43:30,241 --> 00:43:32,243 There were only 78 cars in that lot, 822 00:43:32,277 --> 00:43:33,979 and already we had a waiting list 823 00:43:34,012 --> 00:43:35,480 for a car that wasn't available. 824 00:43:35,513 --> 00:43:37,816 You know, it was a tremendous deja vu moment. 825 00:43:37,849 --> 00:43:41,586 So, at this point, we thought it would be appropriate 826 00:43:41,619 --> 00:43:45,490 to come full circle and join me in holding this check 827 00:43:45,523 --> 00:43:49,394 offering $1.9 million to General Motors 828 00:43:49,427 --> 00:43:51,429 to put these cars back on the road. 829 00:43:51,462 --> 00:43:53,364 (CROWD CHEERING) 830 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,838 SHEEN: Despite the offer, GM did not respond. 831 00:43:59,871 --> 00:44:04,710 The fate of the last 78 EV1s remained in doubt. 832 00:44:04,743 --> 00:44:07,846 A small group of activists would continue their vigil, 833 00:44:07,879 --> 00:44:11,049 to keep the dream of the electric car alive. 834 00:44:13,518 --> 00:44:15,721 Who controls the future? 835 00:44:17,856 --> 00:44:19,691 Uh, whoever has the biggest club. 836 00:44:19,725 --> 00:44:23,361 It's, um, in more ways than one. 837 00:44:23,394 --> 00:44:25,430 One they can bash you in and one they can belong to. 838 00:44:25,463 --> 00:44:26,664 (ALL CHATTERING) 839 00:44:26,698 --> 00:44:30,335 Gentlemen! Gentlemen! 840 00:44:30,368 --> 00:44:34,172 I know you're all worried and I agree. 841 00:44:34,205 --> 00:44:36,441 There's plenty to be worried about. 842 00:44:36,474 --> 00:44:39,310 Like this solar power plant 843 00:44:39,344 --> 00:44:43,248 already operational outside Los Angeles. 844 00:44:43,281 --> 00:44:45,050 Photovoltaic cells, 845 00:44:45,083 --> 00:44:48,987 they convert sunlight directly into electricity. 846 00:44:49,020 --> 00:44:53,524 Fluorescents, lasts 10 times as long as a conventional light bulb, 847 00:44:53,558 --> 00:44:55,560 uses only a quarter of the power. 848 00:44:55,593 --> 00:45:00,431 Super windows, insulate as well as 10 sheets of glass. 849 00:45:00,465 --> 00:45:04,770 An electric car, partially powered by solar panels. 850 00:45:05,771 --> 00:45:08,774 But the truth is, gentlemen, 851 00:45:08,807 --> 00:45:13,044 I'm not worried about any of these things. 852 00:45:13,078 --> 00:45:18,149 Because no one's ever going to know about them. 853 00:45:18,183 --> 00:45:20,418 So, there's all these conspiracy theories out there 854 00:45:20,451 --> 00:45:22,453 about, "Who killed the electric car?" 855 00:45:22,487 --> 00:45:24,923 So really, "Who killed the electric car?" 856 00:45:24,956 --> 00:45:27,759 Well, unfortunately, I can't summarize that in one sentence. 857 00:45:27,793 --> 00:45:30,028 What killed the electric vehicle, 858 00:45:30,061 --> 00:45:32,163 very simply, I think, is lack of corporate wisdom. 859 00:45:32,197 --> 00:45:35,033 Uh, in my opinion, it's-- it's big oil that killed the electric car. 860 00:45:35,066 --> 00:45:38,403 Alan Lloyd killed the electric car program. I was there when he did it. 861 00:45:38,436 --> 00:45:41,406 The California Air Resources Board killed the electric car, 862 00:45:41,439 --> 00:45:45,110 under huge pressure from the auto companies. 863 00:45:45,143 --> 00:45:47,312 They were an accessory to the murder, 864 00:45:47,345 --> 00:45:50,248 but the murder was committed by the General Motors company. 865 00:45:50,281 --> 00:45:52,483 I don't believe that for a minute. 866 00:45:52,517 --> 00:45:56,654 GM would sell you a car that ran on pig shit 867 00:45:56,687 --> 00:45:59,090 if it-- if it sold. 868 00:46:04,562 --> 00:46:09,167 SHEEN: Carmakers argued that there was not enough demand for the electric car. 869 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,403 Claiming to have spent millions of dollars on advertising, 870 00:46:12,437 --> 00:46:14,705 they said buyers weren't interested. 871 00:46:14,739 --> 00:46:18,176 But did consumers even know that the car existed? 872 00:46:18,209 --> 00:46:21,379 MAN: Did you ever see this car advertised or hear anything about it? 873 00:46:21,412 --> 00:46:23,314 Never. That's what I'm trying to say. 874 00:46:23,348 --> 00:46:25,316 It's totally under the scope of the radar. 875 00:46:25,350 --> 00:46:27,418 I don't know who drives an EV1, actually. 876 00:46:27,452 --> 00:46:28,686 MAN: You don't know anybody? 877 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:29,988 Anybody. 878 00:46:30,021 --> 00:46:31,389 Maybe Fernando. I know Fernando... 879 00:46:31,422 --> 00:46:33,624 Fernando, did you ever drive an EV1? 880 00:46:33,658 --> 00:46:34,725 FERNANDO: I've heard of them. 881 00:46:34,759 --> 00:46:36,427 He's-- He's heard of them. 882 00:46:36,461 --> 00:46:38,529 So, they're not making those cars in California anymore? 883 00:46:38,563 --> 00:46:40,398 No. They're not making them anywhere. 884 00:46:40,431 --> 00:46:42,767 That's really too bad. We need those cars. 885 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,504 So, why are they getting rid of it? 886 00:46:46,537 --> 00:46:49,440 MAN: Well, they, uh, said that there was no demand for the car. 887 00:46:49,474 --> 00:46:52,577 Are they insane? That's a no-brainer. Of course there's a demand. 888 00:46:52,610 --> 00:46:56,147 Save gas, save people, save air, save oxygen, save the world. 889 00:46:56,181 --> 00:46:57,983 All sounds good to me. 890 00:47:00,351 --> 00:47:03,121 JOHN WALLACE: We've been selling vehicles for a century, 891 00:47:03,154 --> 00:47:04,655 and you, as you might imagine, 892 00:47:04,689 --> 00:47:06,691 we've sort of figured out what people wanted. 893 00:47:06,724 --> 00:47:09,794 If you ask them, they say, "Well, I want 300-mile range. 894 00:47:09,827 --> 00:47:13,398 "I wanna be able to go 85 or 90 miles an hour. 895 00:47:13,431 --> 00:47:17,068 "And I wanna carry four passengers and have a big trunk." 896 00:47:17,102 --> 00:47:19,670 Which is basically what we were already selling. 897 00:47:19,704 --> 00:47:21,572 DIVINE: I've said this time and time again. 898 00:47:21,606 --> 00:47:24,242 People will buy anything you convince them to buy. 899 00:47:24,275 --> 00:47:30,415 They feed people enough, and they--they believe that's the diet. 900 00:47:30,448 --> 00:47:32,817 Consumers, they couldn't see the difference 901 00:47:32,850 --> 00:47:34,986 between an electric car and a car they were already driving. 902 00:47:35,020 --> 00:47:37,722 You know, because they don't-- they don't read environmental impact. 903 00:47:37,755 --> 00:47:40,825 You know, they don't read political instability caused by oil production 904 00:47:40,858 --> 00:47:42,527 in the Middle East. 905 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,731 All they read is, "Does this car work, and how much does it cost?" 906 00:47:46,764 --> 00:47:49,500 DAN NEIL: What really killed EVs was American consumers 907 00:47:49,534 --> 00:47:53,638 because they did not accept this idea, uh, did not embrace it, 908 00:47:53,671 --> 00:47:57,442 uh, that, uh, vehicles could have these limited ranges 909 00:47:57,475 --> 00:48:00,378 and still be functional, useful, practical. 910 00:48:06,184 --> 00:48:10,055 SHEEN: Did the electric car die because of battery technology? 911 00:48:10,088 --> 00:48:12,657 Did EVs really not have enough range? 912 00:48:12,690 --> 00:48:16,061 And did car companies use the best batteries available? 913 00:48:16,094 --> 00:48:20,298 BILL WYLAM: The battery technology at that time was lead acid batteries 914 00:48:20,331 --> 00:48:23,134 and allowed the car to go 60 miles. 915 00:48:23,168 --> 00:48:24,936 If you started out on a trip knowing 916 00:48:24,970 --> 00:48:27,605 that you were gonna go dead in 60 miles, 917 00:48:27,638 --> 00:48:30,608 you'd be nervous about making the trip. 918 00:48:30,641 --> 00:48:33,844 SCOTT: People think that they need a car that will go 300 miles 919 00:48:33,878 --> 00:48:37,582 and be able to charge it up or refuel it in five minutes. 920 00:48:37,615 --> 00:48:40,285 For virtually, you know, 90-95% 921 00:48:40,318 --> 00:48:42,587 of your driving, you really don't need that. 922 00:48:42,620 --> 00:48:45,556 You need a vehicle that will go at least 60 miles or so, 923 00:48:45,590 --> 00:48:48,626 and that way your--your daily commute is covered. 924 00:48:48,659 --> 00:48:50,928 SHEEN: For those who wanted greater range 925 00:48:50,962 --> 00:48:53,164 from an EV, 100 miles or more, 926 00:48:53,198 --> 00:48:55,300 a better battery already existed. 927 00:48:55,333 --> 00:48:58,703 Developed by a well-known inventor working in Troy, Michigan, 928 00:48:58,736 --> 00:49:01,839 about 30 miles from General Motors Headquarters. 929 00:49:01,872 --> 00:49:03,674 I'm Stan and... 930 00:49:03,708 --> 00:49:06,277 And Iris Ovshinsky. 931 00:49:06,311 --> 00:49:07,545 I think you shouldn't do it that way. 932 00:49:07,578 --> 00:49:09,280 You should say you're Stan Ovshinsky, 933 00:49:09,314 --> 00:49:10,548 and then I'll say I'm Iris Ovshinsky. 934 00:49:10,581 --> 00:49:12,417 Don't do it that way. It sounds funny. 935 00:49:12,450 --> 00:49:14,685 SHEEN: With over 200 patents to his name, 936 00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,688 Stan Ovshinsky had pioneered a new battery 937 00:49:17,722 --> 00:49:20,591 and GM purchased controlling share of his company. 938 00:49:20,625 --> 00:49:25,396 We were chosen over 60 different, uh, big companies, 939 00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:27,065 like Westinghouse and others, 940 00:49:27,098 --> 00:49:31,536 who wanted to, uh, win the race to make the batteries 941 00:49:31,569 --> 00:49:35,606 that would be used in pure electric cars. 942 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,210 And we were chosen because we had a battery. 943 00:49:39,244 --> 00:49:43,581 And, uh, to us, putting it into a car 944 00:49:43,614 --> 00:49:46,717 was not the most gigantic thing. 945 00:49:46,751 --> 00:49:48,453 What were we supposed to do? 946 00:49:48,486 --> 00:49:50,855 But you did sort of expect champagne and roses. 947 00:49:50,888 --> 00:49:52,690 I expected champagne and roses. 948 00:49:52,723 --> 00:49:55,093 When I said that we're going to put in 949 00:49:55,126 --> 00:49:57,362 a paragraph into the newspaper 950 00:49:57,395 --> 00:49:59,330 that said we had achieved this, 951 00:49:59,364 --> 00:50:03,368 I really expected congratulations to flow in. 952 00:50:03,401 --> 00:50:05,403 And then I knew that something was different 953 00:50:05,436 --> 00:50:07,405 when the opposite happened. 954 00:50:07,438 --> 00:50:09,607 SHEEN: Ovshinsky was censured for publicizing 955 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,377 his battery advances without permission 956 00:50:12,410 --> 00:50:17,348 and asked not to run advertising in national publications. 957 00:50:17,382 --> 00:50:20,285 The EV1 debuted with a weaker battery. 958 00:50:20,318 --> 00:50:23,354 It would be another two years before Ovshinsky's batteries 959 00:50:23,388 --> 00:50:26,291 were installed in the EV1. 960 00:50:26,324 --> 00:50:30,228 The first version of the EV1 had defective Delco batteries in them, 961 00:50:30,261 --> 00:50:31,629 and they kept failing. 962 00:50:31,662 --> 00:50:33,964 So, that was GM's failure on those batteries. 963 00:50:33,998 --> 00:50:35,233 Once they put good batteries in, 964 00:50:35,266 --> 00:50:37,102 they didn't have any problems. 965 00:50:37,135 --> 00:50:40,405 SHEEN: Ultimately, GM sold its share in Ovshinsky's company 966 00:50:40,438 --> 00:50:42,407 to an unlikely buyer. 967 00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,909 DOUG KORTHOF: Then when the nickel metal hydride batteries were improved, 968 00:50:44,942 --> 00:50:47,878 so that they're now lasting longer than the life of the car 969 00:50:47,912 --> 00:50:50,215 and cheaper than an engine, 970 00:50:50,248 --> 00:50:55,886 Chevron Texaco stepped in and purchased control from General Motors 971 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,223 of Ovshinsky technology. 972 00:50:58,256 --> 00:51:02,059 The oil companies do not feel threatened by battery technology 973 00:51:02,093 --> 00:51:04,429 because they effectively crushed it. 974 00:51:04,462 --> 00:51:06,697 The electric car's kind of an interesting case study. 975 00:51:06,731 --> 00:51:09,434 I mean, it--it--it was such an abysmal failure 976 00:51:09,467 --> 00:51:12,637 that I think there are a lot of people involved in the initial decision-making 977 00:51:12,670 --> 00:51:16,141 trying to, pointing fingers at--at whose responsibility it is. 978 00:51:26,351 --> 00:51:29,154 MAN ON TV: To Basra and all Iraq comes good news 979 00:51:29,187 --> 00:51:30,988 with the opening of a new oil field. 980 00:51:31,021 --> 00:51:35,526 The pipeline runs across the desert to the Persian Gulf at Faw. 981 00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:40,498 There, tankers load up with the precious fuel the world needs so badly. 982 00:51:40,531 --> 00:51:45,170 Yes, it's a big day for Iraq, and there's a feast to celebrate. 983 00:51:45,203 --> 00:51:48,839 Sheep stuffed with rice and a host of other good things. 984 00:51:48,873 --> 00:51:50,675 But that's only the first of the good things 985 00:51:50,708 --> 00:51:55,012 that will come to Iraq, thanks to oil. 986 00:51:55,045 --> 00:51:58,849 SHEEN: Oil companies have rarely shied away from global issues. 987 00:51:58,883 --> 00:52:02,520 But why did they lobby so hard to build public opposition 988 00:52:02,553 --> 00:52:04,622 to the electric car in California? 989 00:52:04,655 --> 00:52:08,726 I find it difficult to rationalize why, um, 990 00:52:08,759 --> 00:52:11,696 the oil industry got so intimately involved in this. 991 00:52:11,729 --> 00:52:14,332 Other than maybe they saw it as a threat 992 00:52:14,365 --> 00:52:16,901 to, uh, what I would call a monopoly they had 993 00:52:16,934 --> 00:52:19,870 on--on providing the transportation fuel. 994 00:52:19,904 --> 00:52:21,906 There's no question that people who, uh, 995 00:52:21,939 --> 00:52:23,474 control the marketplace today, the oil companies, 996 00:52:23,508 --> 00:52:26,043 have a strong incentive 997 00:52:26,076 --> 00:52:28,713 to discourage alternatives, 998 00:52:28,746 --> 00:52:31,882 uh, except the alternatives that they themselves control. 999 00:52:31,916 --> 00:52:35,520 And, you know, just as General Motors 1000 00:52:35,553 --> 00:52:40,291 40, 50 years ago bought up the trolley systems and shut them down, 1001 00:52:40,325 --> 00:52:42,927 uh, the oil companies have opposed 1002 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,896 the creation of an electric infrastructure. 1003 00:52:47,798 --> 00:52:49,200 I--I differ strongly with that. 1004 00:52:49,234 --> 00:52:51,101 We--We did not k-kill the electric car. 1005 00:52:51,135 --> 00:52:52,937 The petroleum industry did not kill the electric car. 1006 00:52:52,970 --> 00:52:56,307 What killed the electric car was antiquated technology. 1007 00:52:56,341 --> 00:52:59,977 It's a good example, and it's something that we should not repeat, 1008 00:53:00,010 --> 00:53:02,280 an example that we need to avoid. 1009 00:53:05,250 --> 00:53:07,585 RIPPEL: There's still roughly a trillion barrels 1010 00:53:07,618 --> 00:53:09,820 worth of oil in the Earth's crust. 1011 00:53:09,854 --> 00:53:11,922 And if you figure that the average price 1012 00:53:11,956 --> 00:53:14,825 of that subsequent oil will be $100 a barrel, 1013 00:53:14,859 --> 00:53:20,531 that's $100 trillion worth of business yet to be done. 1014 00:53:20,565 --> 00:53:24,935 However, at some point, when an alternative is good enough, 1015 00:53:24,969 --> 00:53:26,904 people will snap over, 1016 00:53:26,937 --> 00:53:30,007 uh, and that's what the oil companies fear the most. 1017 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,311 KORTHOF: We use 280 million gallons of gasoline a week in California. 1018 00:53:33,344 --> 00:53:35,413 Right now, the price is $2.20. 1019 00:53:35,446 --> 00:53:38,449 Well, a year ago, it was-- it was $1.20. 1020 00:53:38,483 --> 00:53:40,217 Okay, there's a dollar more a gallon. 1021 00:53:40,251 --> 00:53:44,489 Somebody's making $280 million more a week this year. 1022 00:53:44,522 --> 00:53:48,158 It's the same gas, the same pipeline, the same refineries. 1023 00:53:48,192 --> 00:53:50,261 The profits are outstanding. 1024 00:53:58,936 --> 00:54:00,871 RIPPEL: What the oil companies feared 1025 00:54:00,905 --> 00:54:04,208 is that electric vehicles would--would become successful 1026 00:54:04,241 --> 00:54:05,676 six years from now. 1027 00:54:05,710 --> 00:54:07,978 What the automobile companies feared 1028 00:54:08,012 --> 00:54:10,281 was that they'd be losing money on electric vehicles 1029 00:54:10,315 --> 00:54:11,716 in the next six months. 1030 00:54:17,555 --> 00:54:19,857 SHEEN: Even as car companies made electric cars, 1031 00:54:19,890 --> 00:54:22,226 they fought them at every step. 1032 00:54:22,259 --> 00:54:23,828 What was their motive? 1033 00:54:23,861 --> 00:54:27,231 Why were they so determined to take them off the road? 1034 00:54:27,264 --> 00:54:29,199 I mean, I think in the beginning, 1035 00:54:29,233 --> 00:54:31,636 General Motors didn't believe the car was gonna catch on. 1036 00:54:31,669 --> 00:54:34,539 I don't think they thought they'd ever have to worry about something 1037 00:54:34,572 --> 00:54:36,541 like a conspiracy to keep it from happening. 1038 00:54:36,574 --> 00:54:38,208 They hated the mandate. 1039 00:54:38,242 --> 00:54:41,145 They hated it so much that they ended up not even really wanting 1040 00:54:41,178 --> 00:54:42,780 to be in the business of EVs. 1041 00:54:42,813 --> 00:54:47,518 What I frankly detected was a huge resentment about being told 1042 00:54:47,552 --> 00:54:49,754 what type of motor vehicle had to be made. 1043 00:54:49,787 --> 00:54:54,759 And it became a fight of principle rather than one of trying 1044 00:54:54,792 --> 00:54:57,995 to actually technologically solve the problem. 1045 00:54:58,028 --> 00:55:02,433 I do know that, uh, I was surprised at some of the stances 1046 00:55:02,467 --> 00:55:05,336 they took in Sacramento in arguing. 1047 00:55:07,838 --> 00:55:09,407 End of comment. 1048 00:55:11,041 --> 00:55:14,044 SHEEN: In a confidential 1995 memo, 1049 00:55:14,078 --> 00:55:17,748 the American Automobile Manufacturers Association 1050 00:55:17,782 --> 00:55:21,419 sought to hire a PR firm to manage a so-called 1051 00:55:21,452 --> 00:55:24,522 "grassroots and educational campaign" 1052 00:55:24,555 --> 00:55:27,592 to create a climate to repeal the mandate. 1053 00:55:27,625 --> 00:55:29,694 The challenge, according to the document, 1054 00:55:29,727 --> 00:55:33,964 was "greater consumer acceptance of electric vehicles." 1055 00:55:33,998 --> 00:55:36,634 Why would the car companies campaign 1056 00:55:36,667 --> 00:55:39,069 so hard against their own creation? 1057 00:55:39,103 --> 00:55:43,374 I made the case at the General Motors Board 1058 00:55:43,408 --> 00:55:47,945 that the reason for the EV1 was to give General Motors 1059 00:55:47,978 --> 00:55:52,783 a very big head start in how you transform electricity 1060 00:55:52,817 --> 00:55:55,386 into the drive power for the car. 1061 00:55:55,420 --> 00:55:59,156 And we give them two, three years lead, 1062 00:55:59,189 --> 00:56:00,958 and in my judgment it did. 1063 00:56:00,991 --> 00:56:04,795 But my frustration was they did not capitalize on the lead. 1064 00:56:04,829 --> 00:56:08,065 And the reason, which was discussed at the Board, 1065 00:56:08,098 --> 00:56:12,970 was that there was not a profit seen to be coming out 1066 00:56:13,003 --> 00:56:15,473 of either electric cars or hybrids. 1067 00:56:15,506 --> 00:56:20,310 They could not understand how Toyota could possibly make a profit 1068 00:56:20,344 --> 00:56:22,447 out of the Prius, for example. 1069 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,615 They were gonna lose their shirt. 1070 00:56:24,649 --> 00:56:26,784 And as evidence have shown, 1071 00:56:26,817 --> 00:56:29,954 I don't think Toyota is losing their shirt. 1072 00:56:29,987 --> 00:56:33,090 SHEEN: If loss of revenue worried car companies, 1073 00:56:33,123 --> 00:56:36,861 then the electric car posed another problem altogether. 1074 00:56:36,894 --> 00:56:39,196 It had no internal combustion engine, 1075 00:56:39,229 --> 00:56:42,332 the cornerstone of the auto industry. 1076 00:56:42,366 --> 00:56:46,070 These parts represent a large part of a dealership's income 1077 00:56:46,103 --> 00:56:48,973 through the, uh, the replacement and the maintenance. 1078 00:56:49,006 --> 00:56:50,975 CHELSEA: Essentially, this group of parts 1079 00:56:51,008 --> 00:56:53,110 is a visual representation of the profits 1080 00:56:53,143 --> 00:56:56,681 that the auto industry doesn't make when they sell an EV1 1081 00:56:56,714 --> 00:56:58,048 or an EV in general. 1082 00:56:58,082 --> 00:57:00,250 I can actually identify a lot of these 1083 00:57:00,284 --> 00:57:02,386 that didn't get used on the EV1 program. 1084 00:57:02,419 --> 00:57:04,622 You know, oil filters you need four times a year. 1085 00:57:04,655 --> 00:57:06,090 That was probably the most prominent thing, 1086 00:57:06,123 --> 00:57:08,926 along with the several quarts of oil every time. 1087 00:57:08,959 --> 00:57:11,629 I didn't enjoy working on an internal combustion engine, 1088 00:57:11,662 --> 00:57:13,363 just due to the fact you got so dirty. 1089 00:57:13,397 --> 00:57:18,035 And working on the EV1, I'd basically go home looking like this. 1090 00:57:18,068 --> 00:57:21,906 Uh, servicing the EV1 was, uh, pretty simple. 1091 00:57:21,939 --> 00:57:25,275 It came in about every 5,000 miles. We'd put it in the air, 1092 00:57:25,309 --> 00:57:26,877 we'd, uh, rotate the tires, 1093 00:57:26,911 --> 00:57:31,982 add washer fluid to it and send it back out on the street. 1094 00:57:32,016 --> 00:57:36,120 It's amazing. Look how dirty I've gotten just in handling this stuff. 1095 00:57:36,153 --> 00:57:37,655 It's kind of sad. 1096 00:57:37,688 --> 00:57:39,657 CHELSEA: In order to sincerely market a clean car, 1097 00:57:39,690 --> 00:57:42,893 you have to suggest that your core product is dirty 1098 00:57:42,927 --> 00:57:45,062 and that it uses oil and that it uses gas 1099 00:57:45,095 --> 00:57:47,665 and that it increases our dependence on foreign oil. 1100 00:57:47,698 --> 00:57:49,333 And here's this product that doesn't. 1101 00:57:49,366 --> 00:57:52,803 It looks very schizophrenic, but I think when it started, it... 1102 00:57:52,837 --> 00:57:55,039 W-We can show the people in California 1103 00:57:55,072 --> 00:57:59,209 we can meet the zero-emission requirements. 1104 00:57:59,243 --> 00:58:02,146 And later on say, "Do we want to show them that we can meet it?" 1105 00:58:02,179 --> 00:58:04,214 That means all of our other cars... 1106 00:58:04,248 --> 00:58:07,084 But the more it caught on, the more that there was this dichotomy 1107 00:58:07,117 --> 00:58:13,290 between clean and efficient and nonpolluting versus a Suburban. 1108 00:58:13,323 --> 00:58:15,526 SHEEN: Car companies had convinced themselves 1109 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:19,329 that they could not make money in the short term with the electric car. 1110 00:58:19,363 --> 00:58:24,234 In order to do that, they would need an entirely different vehicle. 1111 00:58:24,268 --> 00:58:27,304 TOM EVERHEART: General Motors made a commitment to the Hummer 1112 00:58:27,337 --> 00:58:30,875 because they could see the Hummer would make them money. 1113 00:58:33,878 --> 00:58:36,714 When the SUVs first came out, people were like, "I can't drive that." 1114 00:58:36,747 --> 00:58:38,916 "What? That big old thing?" Especially ladies. "That's a tank!" 1115 00:58:38,949 --> 00:58:41,218 "I can't see out of that." "I'm gonna murder somebody in that." 1116 00:58:41,251 --> 00:58:44,188 "That's too big." "That's too big for me." 1117 00:58:44,221 --> 00:58:47,224 But they convinced people. "This is safer." "You need this car." 1118 00:58:47,257 --> 00:58:49,159 "You need a big car." "This is a safer car." 1119 00:58:49,193 --> 00:58:51,061 "You need this for your family." "Bigger, safer." 1120 00:58:51,095 --> 00:58:57,201 The idea of a, uh, of a penny-pinching EV1 that was super green, 1121 00:58:57,234 --> 00:58:58,703 you know, that didn't get a lot of attraction. 1122 00:58:58,736 --> 00:59:02,239 Whereas the idea of a gigantic, uh, SUV 1123 00:59:02,272 --> 00:59:03,808 that would, you know, crush your neighbor, 1124 00:59:03,841 --> 00:59:05,375 that did get a lot of attraction. 1125 00:59:05,409 --> 00:59:09,880 Basically, that tells us what the '90s was about. 1126 00:59:09,914 --> 00:59:15,285 LESLEY STAHL: What began as a $25,000 tax break grew to $100,000 1127 00:59:15,319 --> 00:59:20,157 when Congress passed the President's economic stimulus package last spring. 1128 00:59:20,190 --> 00:59:23,060 We think small businesses need to have support at this time 1129 00:59:23,093 --> 00:59:25,329 to keep them afloat, to keep the economy moving ahead. 1130 00:59:25,362 --> 00:59:28,198 But there's an encouragement for the small business person, 1131 00:59:28,232 --> 00:59:30,067 not just to stay afloat, but to go buy 1132 00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:31,902 the biggest gas guzzler there is. 1133 00:59:31,936 --> 00:59:34,772 The 6,000-pound car, the biggest. 1134 00:59:34,805 --> 00:59:36,573 Does that make sense? 1135 00:59:36,607 --> 00:59:40,144 I--I don't think we can-- we can dictate what vehicles people buy. 1136 00:59:40,177 --> 00:59:42,179 I think the goal here is... This is encouraging them. 1137 00:59:42,212 --> 00:59:44,849 I mean, you can almost buy the whole car for the tax break. 1138 00:59:44,882 --> 00:59:47,284 Well, I-- I'm not gonna concede that 1139 00:59:47,317 --> 00:59:49,754 that would be the way these would be used or that... 1140 00:59:49,787 --> 00:59:51,822 Well, there's some evidence that is how they're being used. 1141 00:59:51,856 --> 00:59:54,358 Well, I don't know. We'll have to wait and see what--what happens. 1142 00:59:56,961 --> 01:00:01,565 * My Maserati does 185 1143 01:00:01,598 --> 01:00:04,001 * I lost my license 1144 01:00:04,034 --> 01:00:06,336 * Now I don't drive 1145 01:00:06,370 --> 01:00:10,908 * Lucky I'm sane after all I've been through 1146 01:00:10,941 --> 01:00:14,244 * I'm cool 1147 01:00:14,278 --> 01:00:16,513 * He's cool 1148 01:00:16,546 --> 01:00:20,885 * I can't complain but sometimes I still do 1149 01:00:20,918 --> 01:00:25,690 * Life's been good to me so far * 1150 01:00:33,297 --> 01:00:37,267 I don't want to see Hummers driven off the market by the government. 1151 01:00:37,301 --> 01:00:41,872 I--I want to see everything given a--a level, equal chance. 1152 01:00:41,906 --> 01:00:43,874 The thing that bothers me is that--that, 1153 01:00:43,908 --> 01:00:45,976 in fact, it's not a level, equal chance. 1154 01:00:46,010 --> 01:00:48,679 We're using our military to ensure the flow of oil. 1155 01:00:48,713 --> 01:00:52,950 We-- We're using tax dollars to support the car companies in different ways, 1156 01:00:52,983 --> 01:00:55,853 and we're not using our--our t-tax money 1157 01:00:55,886 --> 01:00:57,722 to do the things that we really need to do 1158 01:00:57,755 --> 01:00:59,690 to prepare for the future. 1159 01:01:05,329 --> 01:01:10,400 SHEEN: Federal policy has always had tremendous power to shape the future. 1160 01:01:10,434 --> 01:01:13,938 As it gave enormous incentives to buy SUVs, 1161 01:01:13,971 --> 01:01:19,109 the federal government also sued California to stop the electric car. 1162 01:01:19,143 --> 01:01:24,581 Some pointed to the influence of the oil and auto industries. 1163 01:01:24,614 --> 01:01:27,451 FREEMAN: They control things in Washington, 1164 01:01:27,484 --> 01:01:29,519 they and the automobile industry. 1165 01:01:29,553 --> 01:01:31,521 Now they've got Andy Card, 1166 01:01:31,555 --> 01:01:35,459 their former lobbyist right there as Chief of Staff in the White House. 1167 01:01:35,492 --> 01:01:38,495 And I guess they don't have to pay lobbyists anymore. 1168 01:01:38,528 --> 01:01:40,731 Uh, so, they're saving a little money there. 1169 01:01:40,765 --> 01:01:42,666 SHEEN: Andrew Card was Chief of Staff 1170 01:01:42,699 --> 01:01:46,771 when the Bush administration joined the suit against California. 1171 01:01:46,804 --> 01:01:49,439 Card had also been president and CEO 1172 01:01:49,473 --> 01:01:53,077 of the American Automobile Manufacturers Association 1173 01:01:53,110 --> 01:01:57,748 during its campaign to kill California's electric car mandate. 1174 01:01:57,782 --> 01:02:02,252 Industries began to see if we don't kill this cancer in California, 1175 01:02:02,286 --> 01:02:04,388 it's going to spread to the rest of the country. 1176 01:02:04,421 --> 01:02:08,859 And I think it became a strategy, um, on the part of many companies 1177 01:02:08,893 --> 01:02:11,195 to--to make it a national issue. 1178 01:02:11,228 --> 01:02:13,864 I was even told once by a very prominent congressman, 1179 01:02:13,898 --> 01:02:15,732 who I shall not mention by name, 1180 01:02:15,766 --> 01:02:18,202 that, "I can understand and tolerate 1181 01:02:18,235 --> 01:02:20,437 "uh, what you're doing in California, 1182 01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:24,474 "but if you ever try to spread your California program 1183 01:02:24,508 --> 01:02:29,246 "to the rest of my country, I'm going to have to do battle with you." 1184 01:02:29,279 --> 01:02:32,449 Sometimes I listen to the energy debate, 1185 01:02:32,482 --> 01:02:35,185 and I think I'm watching an old movie, 1186 01:02:35,219 --> 01:02:37,587 uh, that was made back in the '70s. 1187 01:02:37,621 --> 01:02:44,494 Because the discussion is exactly the same as it was 30 years ago. 1188 01:02:44,528 --> 01:02:47,998 JOSEPH ROMM: Our average vehicle, average car on the road, 1189 01:02:48,032 --> 01:02:50,567 is less efficient than it was 20 years ago. 1190 01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,170 And this is just a complete abdication of leadership. 1191 01:02:53,203 --> 01:02:55,405 Political leadership, really. 1192 01:02:55,439 --> 01:02:58,909 Uh, because it's impossible to get fuel economy standards 1193 01:02:58,943 --> 01:03:00,811 passed through the US Congress. 1194 01:03:02,512 --> 01:03:05,782 SHEEN: After the OPEC oil embargo in the 1970s, 1195 01:03:05,816 --> 01:03:09,586 the US government created Corporate Average Fuel Economy, 1196 01:03:09,619 --> 01:03:14,859 or CAFE standards, to improve fuel economy in American vehicles. 1197 01:03:14,892 --> 01:03:17,361 As a result, in less than 10 years 1198 01:03:17,394 --> 01:03:21,498 fuel economy increased by more than 50%. 1199 01:03:21,531 --> 01:03:23,868 Unfortunately, two decades later 1200 01:03:23,901 --> 01:03:26,003 there has been virtually no change. 1201 01:03:26,036 --> 01:03:28,272 Jimmy Carter was the last president 1202 01:03:28,305 --> 01:03:32,910 that really made, uh, energy, uh, a high priority. 1203 01:03:32,943 --> 01:03:35,379 And he devoted his first 90 days in office 1204 01:03:35,412 --> 01:03:37,915 to putting together an energy plan. 1205 01:03:37,948 --> 01:03:40,084 Uh, I was there as part of it. 1206 01:03:40,117 --> 01:03:44,021 And no president since then has put that kind of effort into it. 1207 01:03:44,054 --> 01:03:46,356 I am tonight setting a clear goal 1208 01:03:46,390 --> 01:03:50,060 for the energy policy of the United States. 1209 01:03:50,094 --> 01:03:54,198 Beginning this moment, this nation will never use 1210 01:03:54,231 --> 01:03:59,937 more foreign oil than we did in 1977. Never. 1211 01:04:08,478 --> 01:04:12,316 FREEMAN: There was just a radical change when Ronald Reagan came in 1212 01:04:12,349 --> 01:04:17,487 and took down the solar panels off the White House roof that Jimmy had put up 1213 01:04:17,521 --> 01:04:20,424 and essentially declared war on the sun. 1214 01:04:20,457 --> 01:04:25,062 I put a freeze on pending regulations and set up a task force 1215 01:04:25,095 --> 01:04:27,797 under Vice President Bush to review regulations 1216 01:04:27,831 --> 01:04:30,700 with an eye toward getting rid of as many as possible. 1217 01:04:30,734 --> 01:04:35,005 I have decontrolled oil which should result in more domestic production 1218 01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:37,007 and less dependence on foreign oil. 1219 01:04:37,041 --> 01:04:40,810 When Reagan came in, he was not a supporter of fuel economy, 1220 01:04:40,844 --> 01:04:43,413 of conservation, of renewables. 1221 01:04:43,447 --> 01:04:47,351 And in the mid 1980s, he basically stopped any improvements 1222 01:04:47,384 --> 01:04:49,686 in fuel economy standard for cars. 1223 01:04:49,719 --> 01:04:52,990 And then in 1985, the price of oil collapsed. 1224 01:04:53,023 --> 01:04:55,492 I would not lay all of the blame 1225 01:04:55,525 --> 01:04:57,494 at Ronald Reagan's feet, by any means. 1226 01:04:57,527 --> 01:05:02,199 Um, I think he had his share of responsibility, but so did the Saudis 1227 01:05:02,232 --> 01:05:06,236 who made the very calculating decision 1228 01:05:06,270 --> 01:05:09,173 to drop the price of oil dramatically, 1229 01:05:09,206 --> 01:05:13,343 principally, to ensure that none of these alternative fuels 1230 01:05:13,377 --> 01:05:17,014 and--and energy-saving measures 1231 01:05:17,047 --> 01:05:20,985 really produced the desired results. 1232 01:05:21,018 --> 01:05:25,689 So they kept the junkie hooked up, in other words. 1233 01:05:25,722 --> 01:05:31,661 And as a result, we are today still addicted to oil. 1234 01:05:33,330 --> 01:05:35,865 When Clinton came in, and I worked for Clinton, 1235 01:05:35,899 --> 01:05:37,534 we were definitely quite interested 1236 01:05:37,567 --> 01:05:40,404 in trying to, uh, come up with alternatives 1237 01:05:40,437 --> 01:05:42,506 and--and improve the fuel economy, the fleet. 1238 01:05:42,539 --> 01:05:45,509 Politically, it was still very unattractive. 1239 01:05:45,542 --> 01:05:48,012 The automobile lobby was quite powerful then, 1240 01:05:48,045 --> 01:05:49,746 so the administration kind of made 1241 01:05:49,779 --> 01:05:51,748 a bargain with the automobile companies, 1242 01:05:51,781 --> 01:05:54,484 this partnership for a new generation of vehicles 1243 01:05:54,518 --> 01:05:56,553 where we would develop hybrid vehicles, 1244 01:05:56,586 --> 01:05:59,956 a combination of a gasoline engine and an electric drive train. 1245 01:05:59,990 --> 01:06:04,128 In return, we wouldn't really pursue fuel economy standards. 1246 01:06:04,161 --> 01:06:06,363 I never met a five-year-old kid like this in my life. 1247 01:06:06,396 --> 01:06:07,731 When I shook hands with him, he said, 1248 01:06:07,764 --> 01:06:09,933 "I'm glad to meet you, Mr. President. 1249 01:06:09,966 --> 01:06:14,704 "I want you to make a car that runs on electricity and doesn't pollute the air." 1250 01:06:14,738 --> 01:06:16,706 I was so impressed, I went to get Al Gore, 1251 01:06:16,740 --> 01:06:18,708 and I introduced him to this five-year-old boy. 1252 01:06:18,742 --> 01:06:21,111 And he said, "Hello, Mr. Vice President. 1253 01:06:21,145 --> 01:06:23,480 "I intend to spend my life working on this." 1254 01:06:23,513 --> 01:06:26,716 And he said, "I am going to help you develop an electric car 1255 01:06:26,750 --> 01:06:28,518 "that has no pollution." 1256 01:06:28,552 --> 01:06:31,655 And he, Al Gore says, "That means we're gonna be partners." 1257 01:06:31,688 --> 01:06:33,357 He said, "Yes, I guess so. 1258 01:06:33,390 --> 01:06:36,493 "But you don't understand. I'm going to spend my whole life on this." 1259 01:06:36,526 --> 01:06:38,128 (CROWD LAUGHING) 1260 01:06:40,497 --> 01:06:45,169 For 8-9 years, we've spent about a billion dollars of the taxpayers' money 1261 01:06:45,202 --> 01:06:47,571 to develop hybrid vehicles. 1262 01:06:47,604 --> 01:06:50,574 And ironically, the US car companies 1263 01:06:50,607 --> 01:06:52,676 didn't put any hybrids on the road. 1264 01:06:52,709 --> 01:06:55,412 And in fact, the minute George Bush got elected President, 1265 01:06:55,445 --> 01:06:58,048 the US car companies walked away from hybrids. 1266 01:06:58,082 --> 01:07:00,450 But, and this is the irony, 1267 01:07:00,484 --> 01:07:03,753 the US program got the Japanese very nervous. 1268 01:07:03,787 --> 01:07:08,358 So Toyota and Honda, in response, developed hybrids, 1269 01:07:08,392 --> 01:07:11,161 'cause they didn't wanna be beaten by the US. 1270 01:07:16,733 --> 01:07:20,870 Now, they lure people into thinking they're doing something 1271 01:07:20,904 --> 01:07:22,706 by their sweet talk, 1272 01:07:22,739 --> 01:07:26,610 but I remember way back yonder, they used to have this joke. 1273 01:07:26,643 --> 01:07:28,512 And it's not a joke, anymore. 1274 01:07:28,545 --> 01:07:30,247 We're giving the environmentalists the music, 1275 01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,182 and the industry the action. 1276 01:07:32,216 --> 01:07:35,385 The second step toward making America less dependent on foreign oil 1277 01:07:35,419 --> 01:07:38,322 is to produce and refine more crude oil here at home 1278 01:07:38,355 --> 01:07:42,392 in environmentally sensitive ways. 1279 01:07:42,426 --> 01:07:44,728 By far the most promising site for oil in America 1280 01:07:44,761 --> 01:07:48,298 is the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska. 1281 01:07:53,503 --> 01:07:57,841 SHEEN: While it is predicted that the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge 1282 01:07:57,874 --> 01:08:00,544 could supply America with slightly more 1283 01:08:00,577 --> 01:08:02,646 than one year's supply of oil, 1284 01:08:02,679 --> 01:08:07,451 simply raising fuel economy standards to 40 miles per gallon 1285 01:08:07,484 --> 01:08:11,721 could save the same amount of fuel within 15 years. 1286 01:08:19,596 --> 01:08:25,502 FREEMAN: The oil industry and the automobile companies are resistant to change. 1287 01:08:25,535 --> 01:08:27,771 The American people need to be reminded 1288 01:08:27,804 --> 01:08:30,507 that it took a law to get seatbelts in the cars. 1289 01:08:30,540 --> 01:08:32,809 It took a law to get airbags in the cars. 1290 01:08:32,842 --> 01:08:35,212 It took a law to get the mileage up 1291 01:08:35,245 --> 01:08:37,181 from 12 to 20 miles per gallon. 1292 01:08:37,214 --> 01:08:41,084 It took a law to get catalytic converters to control the pollution. 1293 01:08:41,117 --> 01:08:45,755 And I think clean cars are too important to be left to the automobile industry. 1294 01:08:52,562 --> 01:08:57,634 SHEEN: The California mandate forced automakers to make electric cars. 1295 01:08:57,667 --> 01:09:01,771 When California changed it, the cars vanished. 1296 01:09:01,805 --> 01:09:06,075 Why did California retreat from the bold law it created? 1297 01:09:06,109 --> 01:09:09,746 Uh, having visited all the car companies, they were saying, 1298 01:09:09,779 --> 01:09:13,617 "Well, look, we can't produce these increasing numbers 1299 01:09:13,650 --> 01:09:15,652 "of the battery electric vehicles." 1300 01:09:15,685 --> 01:09:18,322 And I became convinced that... 1301 01:09:18,355 --> 01:09:21,725 What are we supposed to do here? Is our job to clean the air? 1302 01:09:21,758 --> 01:09:24,761 Or is it to force a certain number 1303 01:09:24,794 --> 01:09:27,797 of a type of technology on the road? 1304 01:09:27,831 --> 01:09:32,236 ALEC BROOKS: Alan Lloyd, uh, failed in his leadership to--to really steer 1305 01:09:32,269 --> 01:09:35,905 the Zero Emission Vehicle Mandate toward a--a successful outcome. 1306 01:09:35,939 --> 01:09:37,641 Oh, I know Alec very well. WOMAN: And, you know... 1307 01:09:37,674 --> 01:09:40,009 I know Alec very well. And we had some... 1308 01:09:40,043 --> 01:09:43,747 We had some, uh, heartfelt, uh, m-memos going back and forth. 1309 01:09:43,780 --> 01:09:47,617 And it pained me, because I have the utmost respect for Alec. 1310 01:09:47,651 --> 01:09:52,088 And it really pained me to be--be, uh, accused 1311 01:09:52,121 --> 01:09:55,492 of, uh, basically abandoning, uh, the battery electrics. 1312 01:09:55,525 --> 01:09:59,496 SHEEN: In addition to his role as Chairman of the Air Resources Board, 1313 01:09:59,529 --> 01:10:01,598 Alan Lloyd had another position. 1314 01:10:01,631 --> 01:10:06,135 Just four months before the meeting that killed the electric car, 1315 01:10:06,169 --> 01:10:08,037 Lloyd accepted the chairmanship 1316 01:10:08,071 --> 01:10:11,675 of the California Fuel Cell Partnership. 1317 01:10:11,708 --> 01:10:14,110 LLOYD: I've been involved with hydrogen since the early '90s. 1318 01:10:14,143 --> 01:10:18,948 When I became chair of ARB 10 years later, I knew a lot about hydrogen. 1319 01:10:18,982 --> 01:10:22,852 So for me, I'm very much fact, technology-driven. 1320 01:10:22,886 --> 01:10:25,322 And so maybe you could say that's an asset 1321 01:10:25,355 --> 01:10:26,823 or a handicap in terms of hydrogen, 1322 01:10:26,856 --> 01:10:29,826 because I--I--I knew what--what--what could be done. 1323 01:10:38,234 --> 01:10:41,004 Excuse me here while I watch my little baby get off here. 1324 01:10:41,037 --> 01:10:43,507 SHEEN: Carmakers convinced California 1325 01:10:43,540 --> 01:10:45,709 that the facts supported the development 1326 01:10:45,742 --> 01:10:48,678 of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. 1327 01:10:48,712 --> 01:10:51,581 Were they a better option than electric cars? 1328 01:10:51,615 --> 01:10:55,985 Toyota's National Manager of Advanced Technologies, Bill Reinert, 1329 01:10:56,019 --> 01:11:00,924 took their prototype hydrogen fuel cell SUV on a press tour. 1330 01:11:00,957 --> 01:11:03,827 One of our customers really didn't like this car 1331 01:11:03,860 --> 01:11:06,162 anywhere near as much as his EV1. 1332 01:11:06,195 --> 01:11:11,200 And the reason was not because it had anything b-bad about the car, 1333 01:11:11,234 --> 01:11:12,702 the reason was because his EV1, 1334 01:11:12,736 --> 01:11:15,104 he could charge it at home, charge it at work, 1335 01:11:15,138 --> 01:11:17,974 and even though it provided limited range, 1336 01:11:18,007 --> 01:11:21,645 uh, he didn't have to worry about getting his car charged up. 1337 01:11:21,678 --> 01:11:23,747 With this car, with the limited access 1338 01:11:23,780 --> 01:11:25,415 to a hydrogen filling station, 1339 01:11:25,449 --> 01:11:27,150 he said he'd spend his whole day planning 1340 01:11:27,183 --> 01:11:29,486 on how to get hydrogen in the car and how to get back. 1341 01:11:29,519 --> 01:11:31,054 It's really humbling. It's-- It's... 1342 01:11:31,087 --> 01:11:33,557 The--The more you know, the more you r-realize 1343 01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:37,527 you really don't know what the issues are gonna be going forward. 1344 01:11:37,561 --> 01:11:39,195 The number one worst question is, 1345 01:11:39,228 --> 01:11:42,532 "When can... When will that be on the market?" 1346 01:11:42,566 --> 01:11:44,067 When will that be on the market? 1347 01:11:44,100 --> 01:11:46,202 That-- That's the worst question. 1348 01:11:46,235 --> 01:11:49,506 Consumers are probably going to want to know how long it would be 1349 01:11:49,539 --> 01:11:51,074 for this to be mass-produced. 1350 01:11:51,107 --> 01:11:52,742 REINERT: That's quite a ways off. 1351 01:11:52,776 --> 01:11:54,177 We've got some real technical issues 1352 01:11:54,210 --> 01:11:55,945 we've got to solve with hydrogen storage, 1353 01:11:55,979 --> 01:11:57,947 with durability, with cost reduction. 1354 01:11:57,981 --> 01:12:00,517 Is it a practical solution at this point? 1355 01:12:00,550 --> 01:12:02,352 The cars have a limited range, 1356 01:12:02,386 --> 01:12:04,888 the durability of the cars isn't very good 1357 01:12:04,921 --> 01:12:06,923 and the, uh... Let me see, what else? 1358 01:12:06,956 --> 01:12:08,892 Oh, they don't do well in cold weather. 1359 01:12:08,925 --> 01:12:10,994 Other than that, they're great. 1360 01:12:11,027 --> 01:12:12,962 Have you ever been to a dog race? 1361 01:12:12,996 --> 01:12:15,865 You know there's the mechanical rabbit that's out in front, 1362 01:12:15,899 --> 01:12:18,001 and the dogs never quite reach it. 1363 01:12:18,034 --> 01:12:22,439 Well, the fuel cell is the equivalent of that mechanical rabbit. 1364 01:12:22,472 --> 01:12:23,840 We're going for it. 1365 01:12:23,873 --> 01:12:26,309 For the last 15 years they've been telling us 1366 01:12:26,342 --> 01:12:30,113 the fuel cells are 10 to 15 years off. 1367 01:12:30,146 --> 01:12:33,983 RIPPEL: You're an oil company. Your business is to be selling a fuel. 1368 01:12:34,017 --> 01:12:36,720 They think that it's a long time off, 30 years, 1369 01:12:36,753 --> 01:12:38,388 uh, and they want to have a product to sell. 1370 01:12:38,422 --> 01:12:40,557 So from that point, they're protecting themselves, 1371 01:12:40,590 --> 01:12:44,394 but the other side is they're protecting the status quo. 1372 01:12:44,428 --> 01:12:46,730 We see in Scientific American 1373 01:12:46,763 --> 01:12:50,767 a--a double-page ad by General Motors and Shell, both, 1374 01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,302 touting both the fuel cell that General Motors is doing 1375 01:12:53,336 --> 01:12:56,640 and also Shell as a potential supplier of hydrogen. 1376 01:12:59,576 --> 01:13:04,347 If hydrogen can do a better job as an energy carrier than electricity, 1377 01:13:04,380 --> 01:13:08,918 then, by gosh, it should be the-- the carrier of choice. 1378 01:13:08,952 --> 01:13:11,120 The problem is, it's not even close. 1379 01:13:11,154 --> 01:13:14,023 How far will this car ride on that amount of fuel? 1380 01:13:14,057 --> 01:13:19,195 Uh, it gets approximately about, uh, maybe, about 100-125 miles. 1381 01:13:19,228 --> 01:13:21,865 Good. Interesting. 1382 01:13:21,898 --> 01:13:26,102 SHEEN: A fuel cell car powered by hydrogen, made with electricity, 1383 01:13:26,135 --> 01:13:29,005 uses three to four times more energy 1384 01:13:29,038 --> 01:13:32,041 than a car powered by batteries. 1385 01:13:32,075 --> 01:13:34,844 This is the beginning of some fantastic technology, 1386 01:13:34,878 --> 01:13:37,213 and, uh, thanks for having us out here. 1387 01:13:37,246 --> 01:13:39,716 We're gonna look at some other vehicles in a minute, 1388 01:13:39,749 --> 01:13:43,953 but, uh, you know hydrogen is the wave of the future. 1389 01:13:43,987 --> 01:13:47,323 ROMM: Today, there's a lot of enthusiasm for hydrogen cars. 1390 01:13:47,356 --> 01:13:50,560 But, you know, I wrote a whole book, The Hype About Hydrogen. 1391 01:13:50,594 --> 01:13:52,829 I think it's pretty clear that hydrogen 1392 01:13:52,862 --> 01:13:55,632 is a much tougher alternative fuel 1393 01:13:55,665 --> 01:13:58,267 than any other alternative fuel we've ever pursued. 1394 01:13:58,301 --> 01:14:00,303 So, these are the five miracles that you need 1395 01:14:00,336 --> 01:14:02,572 for a successful hydrogen car in the marketplace. 1396 01:14:02,606 --> 01:14:06,309 First, your average hydrogen car costs a million dollars. 1397 01:14:06,342 --> 01:14:08,111 That's gotta drop. 1398 01:14:08,144 --> 01:14:11,948 Second, uh, no known material to humankind 1399 01:14:11,981 --> 01:14:13,517 can store enough hydrogen onboard the car 1400 01:14:13,550 --> 01:14:15,218 to give you the range people want. 1401 01:14:15,251 --> 01:14:19,856 Miracle number three is the fuel is wildly expensive. 1402 01:14:19,889 --> 01:14:22,025 Even hydrogen from dirty fossil fuels 1403 01:14:22,058 --> 01:14:24,928 is 2 or 3 times more expensive than gasoline. 1404 01:14:24,961 --> 01:14:28,698 Fourth, you have to have the fueling infrastructure. 1405 01:14:28,732 --> 01:14:31,034 You know, we have 180,000 gas stations. 1406 01:14:31,067 --> 01:14:32,636 Someone's gonna have to build at least 1407 01:14:32,669 --> 01:14:34,771 10,000 or 20,000 hydrogen fueling stations 1408 01:14:34,804 --> 01:14:37,106 before anybody is gonna be very interested. 1409 01:14:37,140 --> 01:14:39,743 And miracle five is you have to hope and pray 1410 01:14:39,776 --> 01:14:43,513 that the competitors in the marketplace don't get any better, 1411 01:14:43,547 --> 01:14:47,250 because right now, uh, the best car in the marketplace 1412 01:14:47,283 --> 01:14:49,519 just got a lot better, the hybrid vehicle. 1413 01:14:49,553 --> 01:14:52,221 Still runs on gasoline, you can fuel it everywhere, 1414 01:14:52,255 --> 01:14:54,390 it has twice the range of a regular car. 1415 01:14:54,423 --> 01:14:57,561 SHEEN: Current hybrid vehicles depend on gasoline, 1416 01:14:57,594 --> 01:15:01,531 but use an electric motor to increase their fuel economy. 1417 01:15:01,565 --> 01:15:06,202 ROMM: And if battery technology keeps getting steadily better, 1418 01:15:06,235 --> 01:15:10,807 then the best hybrid and then plug-in hybrid in the year 2020 1419 01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:15,879 will be vastly superior to the best hydrogen car. 1420 01:15:15,912 --> 01:15:17,280 You guys have filmed me long enough 1421 01:15:17,313 --> 01:15:19,348 to know that, you know, I like to hear myself talk, 1422 01:15:19,382 --> 01:15:22,552 number one, and number two, that I'm not gonna dance around the issue. 1423 01:15:22,586 --> 01:15:26,255 And--And-- this could be a long ways out into the future. 1424 01:15:28,792 --> 01:15:31,427 Toyota says, "Fuel cell cars, 30 years away." Okay. 1425 01:15:31,460 --> 01:15:34,898 Then I get the calls from the DOE and the State of California 1426 01:15:34,931 --> 01:15:36,232 and, "What in the hell you doing?" 1427 01:15:36,265 --> 01:15:38,401 And all the other fuel cell manufacturers, 1428 01:15:38,434 --> 01:15:42,405 "You know we're trying to make a living here and you're saying this." 1429 01:15:42,438 --> 01:15:44,608 Oh, it's awful. 1430 01:15:44,641 --> 01:15:47,644 Just because a lot of people want it to work, it's no guarantee. 1431 01:15:47,677 --> 01:15:50,780 That's Disneyland, you know. Wishing makes it come true. 1432 01:15:50,814 --> 01:15:53,216 So, um, I don't work in Disneyland. 1433 01:15:53,249 --> 01:15:55,752 I work in the real world where wishing doesn't make it come true, 1434 01:15:55,785 --> 01:16:00,123 and you really gotta work hard to make it come true. Hopefully we do. 1435 01:16:06,996 --> 01:16:09,265 SHEEN: On the 27th day of their vigil, 1436 01:16:09,298 --> 01:16:12,335 activists finally heard from GM. 1437 01:16:21,344 --> 01:16:23,279 Paul Scott calls, "Are you guys busy? 1438 01:16:23,312 --> 01:16:25,581 "They're-- They're-- They-re calling in the cars right now. 1439 01:16:25,615 --> 01:16:28,251 "GM is loading the cars on trucks right now!" 1440 01:16:28,284 --> 01:16:29,585 We're like, "What? What? 1441 01:16:29,619 --> 01:16:30,820 "Well, yeah, we'll drop everything 1442 01:16:30,854 --> 01:16:32,722 "and run on down there right now." 1443 01:16:32,756 --> 01:16:34,590 A media blast is going on out there. 1444 01:16:34,624 --> 01:16:36,292 Okay. 1445 01:16:37,426 --> 01:16:39,729 Both are closed. 1446 01:16:39,763 --> 01:16:41,330 They loaded them up, you know, 1447 01:16:41,364 --> 01:16:44,668 tires screeching and panels cracking against each other 1448 01:16:44,701 --> 01:16:47,070 as they shoved them onto the trucks. 1449 01:16:51,574 --> 01:16:53,843 FREEMAN: We're up against most of the money in the world. 1450 01:16:53,877 --> 01:16:57,380 We're up against the oil industry, the automobile industry. 1451 01:16:57,413 --> 01:17:02,652 It's David versus Goliath in a very big way, 1452 01:17:02,686 --> 01:17:06,389 but if there are enough David's in the world, we can win. 1453 01:17:06,422 --> 01:17:11,394 * Forever 1454 01:17:14,397 --> 01:17:16,332 GM, shame on you! 1455 01:17:17,433 --> 01:17:19,302 (SHOUTING) 1456 01:17:19,335 --> 01:17:23,873 General Motors is sneaking the EV1s out of here, 1457 01:17:23,907 --> 01:17:25,274 destroying them, 1458 01:17:25,308 --> 01:17:27,677 doing the work of the oil companies. 1459 01:17:28,812 --> 01:17:30,313 And what we're gonna ask you guys 1460 01:17:30,346 --> 01:17:32,115 is just to give us maybe, just to the grass here. 1461 01:17:32,148 --> 01:17:34,250 If you could just get out of the driveway for us, 1462 01:17:34,283 --> 01:17:37,787 so that we don't have to put any hands on anybody. Thank you. 1463 01:18:01,711 --> 01:18:03,747 Don't crush the EV1. 1464 01:18:18,962 --> 01:18:22,065 SHEEN: On March 15th, 2005, 1465 01:18:22,098 --> 01:18:25,134 the last EV1s in the Burbank lot 1466 01:18:25,168 --> 01:18:27,804 were taken away and destroyed. 1467 01:19:34,971 --> 01:19:36,572 All right, well, come on in. Cool. 1468 01:19:36,605 --> 01:19:39,442 We'll go down to the vault, and I'll show you the car. 1469 01:19:39,475 --> 01:19:40,509 (EXCLAIMING) 1470 01:19:40,543 --> 01:19:42,578 I miss this little car. 1471 01:19:42,611 --> 01:19:44,881 Yeah. We love having it. 1472 01:19:44,914 --> 01:19:46,415 We have a number of electric vehicles 1473 01:19:46,449 --> 01:19:48,084 in the collection and hybrids, 1474 01:19:48,117 --> 01:19:51,554 but we're especially happy about this. 1475 01:19:51,587 --> 01:19:54,590 This is the special one. 1476 01:19:54,623 --> 01:19:55,925 There she is. 1477 01:19:55,959 --> 01:19:57,526 My baby! 1478 01:20:02,631 --> 01:20:03,833 Number 99. 1479 01:20:03,867 --> 01:20:05,568 (KENDALL CHUCKLING) 1480 01:20:05,601 --> 01:20:06,836 You might recognize this car. 1481 01:20:06,870 --> 01:20:08,471 I do. It was Chris' car. 1482 01:20:08,504 --> 01:20:09,805 Sure was. 1483 01:20:11,574 --> 01:20:13,209 Please, have a seat. 1484 01:20:13,242 --> 01:20:15,611 There's only one challenge. It doesn't start up. 1485 01:20:15,644 --> 01:20:17,313 (LAUGHING) 1486 01:20:17,346 --> 01:20:20,383 Well, you know that, um, General Motors disabled them. 1487 01:20:20,416 --> 01:20:22,518 I know. We wish they didn't, but they had to. 1488 01:20:22,551 --> 01:20:24,854 So, we understand that. We're just happy to have it. 1489 01:20:24,888 --> 01:20:26,389 Yeah. 1490 01:20:26,422 --> 01:20:28,424 It is such an important part of automotive history. 1491 01:20:28,457 --> 01:20:30,493 It is. Except... To have it manufactured 1492 01:20:30,526 --> 01:20:33,096 by General Motors... Participate in this program. It's wonderful. 1493 01:20:33,129 --> 01:20:36,565 The thing is it shouldn't be a part of automotive history. 1494 01:20:53,016 --> 01:20:56,920 Ever since 1939, they would dangle this electric car. 1495 01:20:56,953 --> 01:20:58,587 They'd have a few models out there. 1496 01:20:58,621 --> 01:21:00,890 They'd say there's something in another few years. 1497 01:21:00,924 --> 01:21:03,659 And it never came because they never intended it to come. 1498 01:21:03,692 --> 01:21:06,996 They make too much money with their technological stagnation 1499 01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:08,998 in the internal combustion engine. 1500 01:21:12,568 --> 01:21:15,571 If something becomes scarce, then there's economic pressures 1501 01:21:15,604 --> 01:21:17,240 to find alternatives. 1502 01:21:17,273 --> 01:21:20,143 And as along as no alternatives exist 1503 01:21:20,176 --> 01:21:23,913 the scarce item can become increasingly profitable. 1504 01:21:27,583 --> 01:21:30,019 These are the same batteries that are used in your laptop computer. 1505 01:21:30,053 --> 01:21:32,488 We have 6,800 cells. 1506 01:21:32,521 --> 01:21:35,458 And it can go 300 miles on one charge, 1507 01:21:35,491 --> 01:21:37,626 running about 70 miles an hour. 1508 01:21:37,660 --> 01:21:41,397 Now it's zero to 60 in 3.6 seconds. 1509 01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:43,132 So, it's a really amazing performance 1510 01:21:43,166 --> 01:21:44,633 for any car, not just an electric car. 1511 01:21:44,667 --> 01:21:46,402 Those same batteries could be put in the EV1 1512 01:21:46,435 --> 01:21:49,405 and make it a 300-mile range car very easily. 1513 01:21:49,438 --> 01:21:52,908 So, it's such a shame seeing these cars destroyed when you can upgrade them. 1514 01:21:55,544 --> 01:21:58,247 I know what I did and why I did it. 1515 01:21:58,281 --> 01:22:01,617 And if I had to do the same thing again based on the data, 1516 01:22:01,650 --> 01:22:03,086 and I've seen what's happened to date, 1517 01:22:03,119 --> 01:22:05,421 I would do exactly the same thing. 1518 01:22:08,224 --> 01:22:10,593 For most Americans, when you talk about a sensible energy policy, 1519 01:22:10,626 --> 01:22:14,030 what most people hear is, "You're gonna make me drive a small car, 1520 01:22:14,063 --> 01:22:15,664 "you're gonna make me keep my house cold, 1521 01:22:15,698 --> 01:22:19,368 "and essentially you're gonna make me live like a European." 1522 01:22:22,738 --> 01:22:24,640 It's a lack of leadership. 1523 01:22:24,673 --> 01:22:28,577 It's a lack of being able to take on the oil industry 1524 01:22:28,611 --> 01:22:33,116 and the automobile industry and recognize that they are not Uncle Sam. 1525 01:22:33,149 --> 01:22:35,384 Uncle Sam has to be Uncle Sam, 1526 01:22:35,418 --> 01:22:38,521 and Uncle Sam is acting like they're General Motors. 1527 01:22:41,690 --> 01:22:44,460 They are squandering huge amounts of money 1528 01:22:44,493 --> 01:22:48,164 on hydrogen cars, which by any reasonable estimate 1529 01:22:48,197 --> 01:22:50,599 are not going to be selling in the consumer market 1530 01:22:50,633 --> 01:22:52,835 for two decades at the earliest. 1531 01:22:52,868 --> 01:22:55,838 And I think it will go down as one of the biggest blunders 1532 01:22:55,871 --> 01:22:58,741 in the history of the automotive industry. 1533 01:23:02,745 --> 01:23:06,415 Have you never heard that expression, "Death by a million cuts"? 1534 01:23:06,449 --> 01:23:09,718 Little tiny cuts, eventually someone will bleed to death. 1535 01:23:12,621 --> 01:23:14,790 SHEEN: The fight over electric cars was, 1536 01:23:14,823 --> 01:23:17,626 quite simply, a fight about the future. 1537 01:23:18,827 --> 01:23:20,596 Goliath won this round, 1538 01:23:20,629 --> 01:23:23,866 but now Goliath has new problems. 1539 01:23:23,899 --> 01:23:26,535 Oil prices have soared. 1540 01:23:26,569 --> 01:23:30,573 America is further entangled in the Middle East, 1541 01:23:30,606 --> 01:23:34,477 and global warning is an increasingly serious threat. 1542 01:23:34,510 --> 01:23:37,146 What can we do to reshape the future? 1543 01:23:37,180 --> 01:23:42,585 STANFORD OVSHINSKY: This city is replete with famous names that are no longer here. 1544 01:23:42,618 --> 01:23:46,389 Why? Because they couldn't adapt to change. 1545 01:23:46,422 --> 01:23:48,691 We all have to adapt to change. 1546 01:23:48,724 --> 01:23:52,295 Don't debate about who's to blame or what to blame. 1547 01:23:52,328 --> 01:23:54,230 Let's build new industries. 1548 01:23:54,263 --> 01:23:56,465 Let's make America strong again. 1549 01:23:56,499 --> 01:24:01,003 SHEEN: Chelsea continues her work with a new group called Plug In America, 1550 01:24:01,036 --> 01:24:03,739 working with citizens across the political spectrum 1551 01:24:03,772 --> 01:24:06,942 to promote an independent energy future. 1552 01:24:06,975 --> 01:24:10,012 You know, I met Jim Woolsey at an event, and as it turns out 1553 01:24:10,045 --> 01:24:12,748 he was already a bit of a fan of stuff that we were doing, 1554 01:24:12,781 --> 01:24:14,850 and he's come to work with Plug In America. 1555 01:24:14,883 --> 01:24:16,619 That's one example of the types 1556 01:24:16,652 --> 01:24:18,654 of relationships that have to exist 1557 01:24:18,687 --> 01:24:20,823 in order to further what we all want. 1558 01:24:20,856 --> 01:24:26,429 I've served in four, uh, administrations in the presidential appointments, 1559 01:24:26,462 --> 01:24:29,498 all in different aspects of national security. 1560 01:24:29,532 --> 01:24:32,401 And the fact that two thirds of the world's proven reserves of oil 1561 01:24:32,435 --> 01:24:35,871 are in the Middle East, and we're so dependent on that part of the world, 1562 01:24:35,904 --> 01:24:39,074 is a very big national security question. 1563 01:24:39,108 --> 01:24:40,676 Well, behind me there are two things. 1564 01:24:40,709 --> 01:24:44,647 One is a Prius hybrid gasoline-electric, uh, Toyota 1565 01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:46,782 and an electrical substation. 1566 01:24:46,815 --> 01:24:48,917 Today they don't have much to do with one another, 1567 01:24:48,951 --> 01:24:51,154 but there's a chance that they might be able 1568 01:24:51,187 --> 01:24:53,922 to have something to do with one another in a positive way. 1569 01:24:53,956 --> 01:24:59,428 And that's where I think the plug-in hybrid is the natural next step, 1570 01:24:59,462 --> 01:25:01,997 and that is available to us today. 1571 01:25:02,030 --> 01:25:04,533 HANSSEN: This is a plug-in hybrid Prius, 1572 01:25:04,567 --> 01:25:08,871 which is a modification to a normal Toyota Prius 1573 01:25:08,904 --> 01:25:10,973 that allows you to travel... 1574 01:25:11,006 --> 01:25:15,378 Which gives you up to 150, 180 miles per gallon 1575 01:25:15,411 --> 01:25:17,813 for the first 50 to 60 miles of the day. 1576 01:25:17,846 --> 01:25:21,417 We don't need an expensive charging infrastructure to use this car. 1577 01:25:21,450 --> 01:25:23,752 You can just plug it in anywhere in your garage. 1578 01:25:23,786 --> 01:25:26,789 So we make the environmentalists happy because it's cleaner. 1579 01:25:26,822 --> 01:25:30,159 We make the, uh, neo-conservatives happy 1580 01:25:30,193 --> 01:25:32,127 because it uses less gasoline. 1581 01:25:32,161 --> 01:25:34,697 Well, everyone's happy because it uses less gasoline. 1582 01:25:34,730 --> 01:25:36,732 SHEEN: Plugging in could go a long way 1583 01:25:36,765 --> 01:25:40,068 to reducing our dependence on oil. 1584 01:25:40,102 --> 01:25:43,472 And generating that electricity with the wind and the sun 1585 01:25:43,506 --> 01:25:46,842 would create even less pollution. 1586 01:25:46,875 --> 01:25:49,578 With his battery technology in most hybrid cars, 1587 01:25:49,612 --> 01:25:55,284 Ovshinsky has also built one of the largest thin-film solar factories in the world. 1588 01:25:55,318 --> 01:25:58,221 This is just an ordinary steel roof. 1589 01:25:59,555 --> 01:26:01,790 And this is with the adhesive. 1590 01:26:01,824 --> 01:26:05,194 You just put the shingles down, nail them down. 1591 01:26:05,228 --> 01:26:10,333 You're in there. You've run your wires down. Everything is plug and play. 1592 01:26:10,366 --> 01:26:14,537 Anybody who wants to make a revolution shouldn't grab a gun. 1593 01:26:14,570 --> 01:26:17,873 Just go and start working like we do 1594 01:26:17,906 --> 01:26:21,444 to change the world by using science and technology. 1595 01:26:23,346 --> 01:26:25,214 I am so optimistic about the future. 1596 01:26:25,248 --> 01:26:29,051 I mean, even given everything that we've seen, and all of the EV wars, 1597 01:26:29,084 --> 01:26:31,186 I remain an optimist. 1598 01:26:31,220 --> 01:26:33,889 NEIL: One of the things that makes America work 1599 01:26:33,922 --> 01:26:38,627 is this rampant grassroots agitation 1600 01:26:38,661 --> 01:26:41,364 for things that are new. 1601 01:26:41,397 --> 01:26:45,234 When you get a coalition of that size and that surprising character, 1602 01:26:45,268 --> 01:26:46,869 you get politicians' attention. 1603 01:26:46,902 --> 01:26:49,104 And here we have a serious problem, 1604 01:26:49,137 --> 01:26:51,206 America is addicted to oil. 1605 01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:54,843 And I call all this a potential coalition between the tree huggers, 1606 01:26:54,877 --> 01:26:56,779 the do-gooders, the sodbusters, 1607 01:26:56,812 --> 01:26:59,782 the cheap hawks and the evangelicals. 1608 01:26:59,815 --> 01:27:02,251 That's a pretty good size coalition. 1609 01:27:02,285 --> 01:27:04,487 We are about to enter into a world 1610 01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:08,624 that's truly renewable and completely clean, 1611 01:27:08,657 --> 01:27:11,360 if we just have the willpower to implement it. 1612 01:27:11,394 --> 01:27:13,696 Well, you don't have to wait for major auto companies to do it. 1613 01:27:13,729 --> 01:27:15,898 You can do it yourself, like what I'm doing here. 1614 01:27:15,931 --> 01:27:18,834 Old cars, new cars, doesn't really matter. I can convert anything. 1615 01:27:18,867 --> 01:27:20,503 You haven't seen anything yet. 1616 01:27:20,536 --> 01:27:22,204 The future is going to be very bright in this area, 1617 01:27:22,237 --> 01:27:24,673 and the forces are all pushing in that direction, 1618 01:27:24,707 --> 01:27:27,976 both the economic and technological forces. 1619 01:27:28,010 --> 01:27:29,978 So, you know, once people see these things, 1620 01:27:30,012 --> 01:27:32,515 they say, "Wow, I want to do this." 1621 01:27:32,548 --> 01:27:35,150 And so the word is getting out. 1622 01:27:35,183 --> 01:27:38,354 STANFORD: That gives us hope. 1623 01:27:38,387 --> 01:27:40,723 Hope that we can end up our lives 1624 01:27:40,756 --> 01:27:43,392 having achieved what we set out to do. 1625 01:27:43,426 --> 01:27:44,993 And we have. 1626 01:27:45,027 --> 01:27:47,463 And you still have so many more years you want to do things. 1627 01:27:47,496 --> 01:27:48,897 I wouldn't have enough time. 1628 01:27:48,931 --> 01:27:52,034 I've-- I am shooting without dice right now so... 1629 01:27:52,067 --> 01:27:55,938 * Who knows what tomorrow will bring? 1630 01:27:55,971 --> 01:27:59,942 * Maybe sunshine and maybe rain 1631 01:27:59,975 --> 01:28:03,746 * But as for me, I'll wait and see 1632 01:28:03,779 --> 01:28:07,483 * And maybe it'll bring my love to me 1633 01:28:07,516 --> 01:28:11,286 * Who knows, who knows 1634 01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:14,990 * Who knows any better than I 1635 01:28:15,023 --> 01:28:19,127 * That it's she who's keeping me alive 1636 01:28:19,161 --> 01:28:23,098 * Keeping the little girl as my goal 1637 01:28:23,131 --> 01:28:27,436 * Makes my life worth living, you know 1638 01:28:27,470 --> 01:28:30,973 * Another day, another day 1639 01:28:31,006 --> 01:28:35,778 * Just another day I wanna live 1640 01:28:35,811 --> 01:28:39,848 * To share the love that only she can give 1641 01:28:39,882 --> 01:28:43,952 * And if she don't come on home 1642 01:28:43,986 --> 01:28:48,391 * I pray the Lord will help me carry on 1643 01:28:48,424 --> 01:28:51,760 * Another day, another day 1644 01:28:51,794 --> 01:28:56,331 * Just another day Oh, Lord 1645 01:29:13,482 --> 01:29:17,052 * Another day, another day 1646 01:29:17,085 --> 01:29:21,724 * Just another day I wanna live 1647 01:29:21,757 --> 01:29:25,994 * To share the love that only she can give 1648 01:29:26,028 --> 01:29:30,098 * And if she don't come on home 1649 01:29:30,132 --> 01:29:34,570 * I pray the Lord will help me carry on 1650 01:29:34,603 --> 01:29:38,340 * Another day, another day 1651 01:29:38,373 --> 01:29:43,111 * Just another day Oh, Lord 1652 01:29:43,145 --> 01:29:47,182 * For who knows what tomorrow will bring 1653 01:29:47,215 --> 01:29:51,386 * Maybe sunshine and maybe rain 1654 01:29:51,420 --> 01:29:54,322 * But as for me, I'll wait and see * 1655 01:29:54,356 --> 01:29:59,828 * Realize 1656 01:30:01,263 --> 01:30:06,702 * The greatest love 1657 01:30:09,304 --> 01:30:14,643 * We are 1658 01:30:16,111 --> 01:30:21,784 * The only ones 1659 01:30:24,186 --> 01:30:27,289 * We are 1660 01:30:27,322 --> 01:30:30,025 * So young 1661 01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:35,531 * Nothing 1662 01:30:35,564 --> 01:30:41,069 * To fear 1663 01:30:41,103 --> 01:30:44,439 * This 1664 01:30:44,473 --> 01:30:51,614 * Is forevermore 1665 01:30:55,718 --> 01:31:02,390 * Realize 1666 01:31:02,424 --> 01:31:08,096 * The greatest love 1667 01:31:10,499 --> 01:31:13,569 * We are 1668 01:31:13,602 --> 01:31:16,739 * So young 1669 01:31:19,174 --> 01:31:25,814 * Nothing to fear 1670 01:31:27,382 --> 01:31:30,586 * Don't look down 1671 01:31:30,619 --> 01:31:32,621 * Do what you feel 1672 01:31:32,655 --> 01:31:35,991 * Feel how you move 1673 01:31:36,024 --> 01:31:39,227 * Don't look back 1674 01:31:39,261 --> 01:31:44,800 * We are alone 1675 01:31:57,479 --> 01:32:01,984 (WOMAN CONTINUES SINGING) 1676 01:32:15,063 --> 01:32:20,102 * We are so young 134421

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