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MAN: Ladies and gentleman,
we are gathered here today
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to bereave the loss
of something dear to us.
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We are here today to say
goodbye to a special friend,
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to say goodbye to an idea.
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Some might say that
to be here gathered today
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to mourn the loss of a car
would be going too far.
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MARTIN SHEEN: In 1996,
electric cars began to appear
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on roads all over California.
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They were quiet and fast,
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produced no exhaust
and ran without gasoline.
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Ten years later,
these futuristic cars
were almost entirely gone.
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What happened?
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Why should we be haunted
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by the ghost
of the electric car?
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This wasn't the first time
the electric car was killed.
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One hundred years ago,
there were more
electrics on the road
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than there were gas cars.
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For many people, electric cars
were the car of choice.
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They were quiet and smooth
and could be charged at home.
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Gas cars, by comparison,
required cranking
and produced exhaust.
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Well, the reason I'm here,
I'm so old I remember
electric cars
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when they were around
in the beginning.
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I would have been
about six years old
on the way to the symphony
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in that darling
little electric car.
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They were very quiet,
and it had beveled
glass windows.
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It was almost like
sitting inside of a huge lamp.
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What happened?
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Why did the gas car win
over the electric car?
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SHEEN: As the 20th century
gathered speed,
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the electric car
lost momentum.
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Automatic starters,
cheaper oil
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and mass production
gave the edge
to the gasoline car.
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By 1920,
the internal combustion engine
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had won the race
for control of the roads,
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and the modern automobile age
was born.
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Of the hundreds
of millions of cars
built in the 20th century,
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almost none were electric.
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They were sleek.
They were fast.
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And they gave Americans
the open road.
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But as time went on,
their number one flaw
became more apparent.
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Smog.
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JANANNE SHARPLESS:
California has the worst
air quality in the nation.
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And it impacts
some of our largest
population centers.
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Up in my district,
we have what is called
the black cloud of death
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that hangs over
the port areas
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and the areas
surrounding the ports.
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We are seeing
some tremendously
debilitating effects,
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asthma rates, cancer rates,
uh, lung development
in children,
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children not being
allowed to play outside.
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SHEEN: In 1989, a study found
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that one out of four
15 to 25 year olds
in Los Angeles County
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had severe lung lesions
and chronic respiratory
disease.
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In 1990, there were 41
stage-one smog alerts.
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No matter what
kind of car we drive,
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every gallon of gas we burn
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adds 19 pounds
of carbon dioxide to the air.
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The more gas we burn,
the more CO2 we create.
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If you don't do something
with that CO2,
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if you don't sequester it,
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then it's gonna be going up
into the atmosphere,
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and CO2 is a global
warming gas.
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WALLY RIPPEL:
I believe the problems
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of, uh, global warming
will be far greater
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than the problems
of social security
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or even the problems
of war on terrorism.
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DAVID FREEMAN:
We've got the equivalent
of a nuclear time bomb
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on our hand
with global warming.
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If lung disease
from air pollution
is unimportant,
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if all those things
don't count,
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uh, we're gonna be
in bad trouble.
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ALAN LOWENTHAL: And there's
a public health crisis.
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But we have
to have incentives,
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and we have
to have alternatives.
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SHEEN: Car companies
experimented with alternatives
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over the years,
but none of them ever seemed
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to make it out
of the proving grounds.
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I remember I--I was
the chairman of the board
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of the Tennessee
Valley Authority,
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and we were promoting
the electric car back
in the late '70s.
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I had even planned a race
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from Gatlinburg,
Tennessee to Nashville
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between Paul Newman
and Robert Redford.
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And I had it all lined up,
and then I realized
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that we'd get a lot
of national publicity,
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but there were no--
there were no cars
in the showrooms.
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SHEEN: It would take
a different kind of race
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to make the electric car
the car of the future.
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The Sunraycer was
a solar-powered vehicle
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that was developed here
at AeroVironment,
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uh, for the purpose
of winning a race.
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SHEEN: In 1987, GM won
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the World Solar Challenge race
in Australia
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with a one-of-a-kind,
solar-powered
electric vehicle,
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the Sunraycer.
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Emboldened by their success,
GM's CEO, Roger Smith,
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challenged
the same design team
to build a prototype
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for a practical electric car.
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RIPPEL: If we were to go
full speed ahead
with electric cars,
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the electronics
had to be good enough
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in order to warrant
that concept,
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and that's where the work
of Alan Cocconi came in.
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MAN: Now,
you built the--the prototype
for this in--in your garage?
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Yes. Well, my garage
isn't quite the average
garage.
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It's actually a pretty good
machine shop
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and electronics lab.
But, yes, I built it there.
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It's like a three-channel
stereo amplifier.
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It provides the right-size
sine waves
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and right frequency
to drive the motor
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for all the different
driving conditions.
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So it's a 100,000-watt
stereo amplifier.
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SHEEN: Alan's breakthrough
power system helped
create an electric car
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unlike any that had
ever been driven before.
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They'd kept this car
also a secret
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and much better than any
other Detroit secret,
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'cause it was all developed
out here in California.
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So it--it truly was a surprise
when it was introduced
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to the Los Angeles Auto Show.
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This is going to represent
a great step forward
for people
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in terms of commuting to work,
from work,
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if you don't have to go
more than 120 miles a day.
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Other than the jokes
that we made
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about the wisdom of calling
a vehicle the Impact,
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um, it was very impressive.
It was very high-tech
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and it had
an interesting premise,
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that we've got this sort
of Corvette-electric-type car,
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two-seater, slick styling
and all that,
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and that we can make
a business out of it.
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It was interesting.
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I--I had worked
with the program manager
who then called me and said,
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"Would you like to be on
the electric vehicle program?"
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And I said, "That's fine.
What do you want me to do?"
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And he said very simply,
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"Develop demand for
electric vehicles worldwide."
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And I said, "Do you
have any instructions?"
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And he took a blank
piece of paper and shoved it
in front of me and he said,
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"No instructions.
You go figure it out."
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And so at that point
I joined the program.
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Uh, it got a lot of interest
flowing in the industry,
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uh, but it did something else.
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It caught the attention
of the California
Air Resources Board.
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SHEEN: California's
Air Resources Board,
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or CARB as it was known,
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saw the electric car
as an opportunity to
solve another problem.
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SHARPLESS: Since GM
had already announced
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that they were
going to produce
an electric vehicle
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before we even
adopted the mandate,
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the electric vehicle
technology became
sort of the technology
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of greatest promise.
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SHEEN: Knowing a modern
electric car was now possible,
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California regulators
took a bold
and unprecedented step.
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They passed the Zero Emissions
Vehicle Mandate.
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The mandate was simple.
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If automakers
wanted to continue
to sell cars in California,
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some of those cars
would have to be
vehicles with no exhaust.
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GREG HANSSEN: They decided
they were gonna ramp it up.
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We're going to say
2% in '98,
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we're gonna say
5% in 2001
and 10% in 2003.
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SHEEN: For the car companies,
there were only two options,
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comply with the law
or fight it.
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In the end,
they would do both.
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WOMAN:
The electric car is here.
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The EV1 from General Motors.
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SHEEN: The Impact prototype
became the EV1,
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the first modern
electric production car
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from a major US car company
in nearly a century.
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GM chose its Saturn division
to market it in California
and Arizona.
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CHELSEA SEXTON: I bought
my first Saturn at 17
and they said,
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"Do you want to
come work here?"
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So I thought, okay.
It would be a good
college job.
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I'll put myself
through college
this way.
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And turned out
I loved the cars more
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than I loved-- what I was
studying in college,
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and three years later
they announced
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the EV1 program,
and I jumped on it.
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There were the 13 of us,
most of whom were mid-20s,
unattached,
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single, no kids, willing to
do anything for little money.
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We all handled
a particular
geographic region.
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Mine started as LA,
and--and I worked
with everybody
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from engineers and students
to celebrities.
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ALL: * I say! I say!
I say Alexandra! *
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I have a picture of myself
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just hearing the Saturn song
and just being so happy.
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LOWENTHAL: I had
one of those early EV1s,
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and I used it here
in the capital.
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I loved the car.
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COLETTE DIVINE: It's sort
of like everything
Americans want in a car.
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They're cool,
they're fast, they're sexy.
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I mean,
I got in the car
and I felt like...
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It was fairly
reasonably priced.
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It was between
$250 and $500 a month.
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I haven't tried
accelerating too much,
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because there're
too many cops around.
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I'm afraid I'll get a ticket.
I'll be too excited.
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TOM HANKS: Believe it or not,
that sucker goes.
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It will take you
down the PCH so fast
you could get a ticket.
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I did kind of feel
like Batman, you know,
that sort of, like...
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And the way it takes off
out of the cave.
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You know, I have this gate
that opens and it goes...
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(TIRES SQUEALING)
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KAREN THOMAS: You get inside,
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and the console
is really near you
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and the lighting
is beautiful.
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It was quiet.
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(WHOOSHING)
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The car was so fast
it looked like it would
outrun its own shadow.
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Oh, it's an awesome car
to drive.
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It was the--the crest
of a wave that we thought
was coming in.
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It was the new thing
that was going to,
you know,
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change the way
everybody travels.
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SHEEN: Other car companies
began to comply,
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often with conversions
of gas cars,
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but with many of the same
advantages of the EV1.
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ALEXANDRA PAUL:
I'm not mechanical at all,
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and I love dealing
with my electric car
'cause it's so easy.
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I plug it in at night,
and when I need
to drive it, I unplug
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and drive it away.
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They're for people
who love the environment.
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I say, they're just
for people who love cars.
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They're for people
who have to go somewhere.
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HANKS: Well, this is amazing.
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What you do is with
this electric car, Dave,
you put the key in
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and you turn it.
DAVID LETTERMAN: Wow.
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And then there's
this thing on the floor
called the pedal. A pedal.
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The exciting thing about this
is the cost of operating
the car
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is the same as
if you were driving
a typical gasoline car.
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But the gasoline only costs
60 cents a gallon.
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Going to the gas station
is a hassle,
believe it or not.
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Plugging a car in is not.
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The battery,
which you charge at home,
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it, uh, gets about, between
70 and 80 miles per charge,
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which for me is more
than all the driving
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that I need to do
in the course of a day.
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HANSSEN: People started
seeing the cars on the road
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and getting
a better understanding
of what they could do.
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Friends and neighbors
and relatives started saying,
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"Hey, that's a neat idea."
You know,
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"I should get one of those."
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And we started seeing
the momentum building
for this
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and the waiting lists
being created for these cars.
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Cut two.
Cut two.
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I go online to look
for other Toyota RAV4s,
and I see Toyota RAV4 EV.
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And I said,
"What's that?" Click.
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Wow, my whole world
opened up.
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It's this electric vehicle.
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It goes, you know,
100 miles to a charge,
blah, blah, blah, blah...
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I was just like,
"I didn't know this existed.
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"I--I didn't know
this was a possibility.
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"How come I don't
know about this?
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"W-W-Well,
have you seen this on TV?"
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When I first tried to
buy the Honda EV Plus,
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I drove in it and I said,
"Hey, this is a great car."
I said, "I'll take it."
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Uh, the--the person who was
trying to sell it to us
was dumbfounded.
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He didn't know what to do.
He'd never--never leased
one before.
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Didn't know how to do it,
and it took me six weeks
of negotiations
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before I was able to
get the car from their hands.
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T-There's nothing
like driving a car
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when you realize
as you're sitting in traffic,
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there's no pollution
coming out of your tailpipe.
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There's, you're just sitting
there with batteries on.
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LETTERMAN: By driving
an electric car,
what are you sparing us from?
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I'm saving America, Dave,
that's what I'm doing.
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(LETTERMAN CHUCKLING)
I am saving America,
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(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
uh, by driving
an electric car.
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SHEEN: Not everyone was sure
that electric cars would
save America.
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Even as GM rolled out
its first batch of EV1s,
there were skeptics.
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Consumer acceptance
and understanding
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has been a key issue
in all this.
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Um, and what we discovered
is that people
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are very cautious
about the electric car.
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I would consider it,
but I--I don't know.
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I haven't done
enough research,
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and I don't know
if they're, like,
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gonna be strong and big
and dependable.
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I have to know
where I can go to,
like, recharge it,
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or how to, what I got
to do for the battery.
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RAMI KHOURY: People don't
want a mini tiny car
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that has 15-inch wheels
on there.
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How is he gonna fix that up
and go around town
and parade it?
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SHEEN: While some consumers
expressed skepticism about
electric cars,
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California was pressured
to drop the mandate.
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A group called
Californians Against
Utility Company Abuse
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fought a small
utility surcharge
to build charging stations.
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They would go to local
city council meetings
and say,
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"You don't want to put in
an electric vehicle
charging station there.
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"That's a waste
of--of taxpayer money."
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They had this
list of supporters.
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You know,
companies like Trader Joe's
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and others which
you'd say like,
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"Why would they support
something like this?"
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So the EV drivers
actually got together
and started writing letters
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to some of these people
that were listed
on their website
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as being supporters and said,
"Do you realize
what you're supporting here?"
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And they-- and they got
all these names removed
from the list.
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SHEEN: Further investigation
revealed that these groups
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were consumer organizations
in name only,
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funded almost exclusively
by the oil industry.
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Oil companies also paid
for editorials in national
publications.
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They even argued
that the environmental
benefits of EVs were dubious.
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With electric vehicles,
we're gonna have to shift
our energy away from oil,
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and if we shift it
to coal,
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there are some
environmental problems
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that are just
very disconcerting.
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BILL REINERT: Right now
in the United States,
we're 55% coal.
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If you run the numbers
with standard coal
power plants,
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you don't end up with
a better environmental
performance,
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you end up
with a longer tailpipe.
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Well, there've been
numerous studies conducted
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by the California
Energy Commission
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that clearly show
that electric drive is
substantially more efficient
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and substantially
less polluting
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even if you
get your electricity
from coal-fired plants.
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SHEEN: But the arguments
against electrics
did not stop there.
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They even made
the ridiculous argument
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that there was
an environmental
justice issue involved,
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because they said only
rich people could buy
electric cars.
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Well, the air doesn't
know a boundary
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between Brentwood
and South LA.
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SHEEN: Car companies
began to argue that
the mandate was too strict.
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W-We had to help
with the regulations.
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The regulatory people knew
nothing about this stuff,
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and we began
to get the eerie feeling
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that we were
going over a cliff.
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It wasn't going
to be possible.
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California was faced
with the prospect of,
"What do you do
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"if the car companies
don't comply?"
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And so rather than, you know,
do brinksmanship
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about what would happen
if they didn't comply
and stick with it,
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they started negotiating,
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um, you know, certain
flexibility in the mandate.
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SHEEN: California compromised
with the automakers,
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adopting a memorandum
of agreement.
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One of the agreements
with the state
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was that the automakers
would build
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and market electric vehicles
in accordance with demand.
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SHEEN: If they didn't
want to build more of them,
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the car companies would
have to make the case
that there was no demand.
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The person will go unnamed,
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but we were having, uh,
lunch in the executive
dining room
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at the GM Tech Center one day.
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And just the two of us,
and he leans over to me
and he says,
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"Dabels,
you know something?
You're my worst enemy."
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And I said, "Why is that?"
And he said,
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"Well, I'm out there
lobbying to show
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"that there's no demand
for electric vehicles,
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"and you're out there
proving me wrong."
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We would sit down
with Hal Riney
or with executives
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from GM and make,
you know...
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"How far? How fast? How much?
These are the three questions
we're getting.
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"Please put it
in the advertising.
It's not rocket science."
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And they would go back
and do the exact opposite.
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You know,
we never saw a TV ad
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with an electric car
scampering up
the side of a hill
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with a good-looking man
or woman draped around it.
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That's the way
they sell cars.
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WOMAN: How does it go
without gas and air?
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How does it go without
sparks and explosions?
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How does it go without
gears or transmissions?
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How does it go,
you ask yourself?
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And then you will ask,
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how did we go
so long without it?
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The electric car.
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It isn't coming,
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it's here.
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SHEEN: What was the objective
of these advertisements?
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Was it to entice consumers
or to scare them away?
368
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Our goal at GM was to make
the full-functioning
battery electric vehicle
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a commercially viable
business opportunity
for General Motors.
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SHEEN: GM's spokesman,
Dave Barthmuss,
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has worked for GM
for nearly 10 years.
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We spent in excess
of one billion dollars
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to drive this market,
to build the market.
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That means
award-winning advertising,
developing the vehicle,
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developing the recharging
infrastructure.
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And in a four-year time frame,
from roughly 1996 to 2000,
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we were able to lease
800 EV1s.
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So we started
this waiting list
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in order to prove demand
to GM,
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but no matter how many people
we got on that list,
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it was never considered
enough demand.
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Everything was anecdotal
to GM.
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We have heard about
these l-l-long waiting lists,
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and frankly we did have
a list of roughly 4,000 people
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that raised their hands
and said, you know,
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"I would be interested
in getting a new EV1
and being an EV1 leasee."
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We contacted
each of those folks
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and we whittled
that list down,
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and when we actually
got down to a point
where we were able
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to have somebody
sign on the dotted line,
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that list from 4,000 people
shrunk to about 50.
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CHELSEA: Only recently
did they finally admit
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that there actually
was a waiting list
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and tried to explain
in the way of,
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"By the time we explained
all the limitations
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"of the car to them,
only 50 would sign up."
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Well, if you sincerely
want to market a product,
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you don't start out
by describing
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the limitations
of the product.
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SHEEN: Tom Everhart
is president emeritus
at Caltech.
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He served on GM's
board of directors
for 13 years.
402
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I do not think
General Motors tried hard
403
00:21:40,367 --> 00:21:44,371
to get the electric cars
out rapidly.
404
00:21:44,404 --> 00:21:46,272
Now whether the CEO
of General Motors
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understood that, I don't know.
406
00:21:48,140 --> 00:21:51,177
We had to ask permission
of whoever we wanted
to give a car to,
407
00:21:51,210 --> 00:21:53,946
and then, by the end,
when we were low on cars,
408
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we had to write
case statements.
409
00:21:55,848 --> 00:21:58,184
And we tried to put the cars
in hands of celebrities,
410
00:21:58,217 --> 00:22:02,121
because they were, number one,
the only ones that stood
a chance of getting the car.
411
00:22:02,154 --> 00:22:05,425
The third grade
science teacher
didn't stand a chance.
412
00:22:05,458 --> 00:22:07,460
I had to write a resume
for Mel Gibson
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00:22:07,494 --> 00:22:09,061
and what he'd done
and accomplished
414
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because the people
I was talking to
didn't believe
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that he warranted a car.
416
00:22:12,432 --> 00:22:14,834
I was wondering, "Why do
I have to fill this out?"
you know.
417
00:22:14,867 --> 00:22:17,003
You had to tell them where
your birthmarks were,
you know.
418
00:22:17,036 --> 00:22:19,205
I mean, it was everything,
you know.
419
00:22:19,238 --> 00:22:23,175
"Have you recently
had a proctoscope, uh,
inserted into your..."
420
00:22:23,209 --> 00:22:24,711
"Well, no."
421
00:22:24,744 --> 00:22:28,114
Uh, you know, you had to--
you had to get really specific
422
00:22:28,147 --> 00:22:29,749
about a whole bunch of things.
423
00:22:29,782 --> 00:22:33,586
Consumers wanted it,
but they regarded it
as a limited vehicle,
424
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and they expected to pay
a limited price for it.
425
00:22:36,188 --> 00:22:40,560
And there's nothing irrational
about the consumer that said
that to us.
426
00:22:40,593 --> 00:22:43,062
That's a perfectly
reasonable statement.
427
00:22:43,095 --> 00:22:46,766
"You're giving me
a vehicle that does less,
I wanna pay less."
428
00:22:47,834 --> 00:22:49,268
Okay.
429
00:22:49,301 --> 00:22:52,138
But unfortunately
I couldn't make it for less.
430
00:22:52,171 --> 00:22:53,573
They argued things like money,
431
00:22:53,606 --> 00:22:54,941
and they're too
expensive to build,
432
00:22:54,974 --> 00:22:57,043
and yet they're
building four a day.
433
00:22:57,076 --> 00:23:00,813
I mean, they were
very hand-built cars
with specialized components.
434
00:23:00,847 --> 00:23:02,381
And had they
mass-marketed them,
435
00:23:02,415 --> 00:23:04,784
they, of course,
would have come down.
436
00:23:04,817 --> 00:23:08,120
SHEEN: As car companies
made the case
there was no demand,
437
00:23:08,154 --> 00:23:11,891
electric vehicle advocates
thought
they had a sympathetic ear
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00:23:11,924 --> 00:23:16,128
with the appointment
of environmental scientist,
Dr. Alan Lloyd,
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as chairman
of the California
Air Resources Board.
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00:23:19,532 --> 00:23:22,569
First time
I presided over that,
441
00:23:22,602 --> 00:23:26,839
I felt that the car companies
weren't making significant
effort to it,
442
00:23:26,873 --> 00:23:29,108
so I felt that,
"Well, flog them harder,
443
00:23:29,141 --> 00:23:31,544
"flog them often.
They need to do better."
444
00:23:31,578 --> 00:23:37,083
For the regulation,
we felt, needed to be
changed drastically.
445
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And there was
some movement that way,
but--but it didn't go away.
446
00:23:40,653 --> 00:23:43,956
SHEEN: While the car companies
fought the mandate
in Sacramento,
447
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:47,960
GM quietly closed
its EV1 assembly line
448
00:23:47,994 --> 00:23:50,162
and began laying off
its sales force.
449
00:23:50,196 --> 00:23:52,765
CHELSEA: All of a sudden
we were not only taken off
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the project but taken out
of the company.
451
00:23:54,634 --> 00:23:56,836
They started with
the ones with the most...
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The biggest waiting lists
and the most customers,
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and, you know,
the primary areas
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00:24:00,206 --> 00:24:02,341
were the ones
they dismantled first.
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And so at the end
of 2001, you know,
that was it
456
00:24:05,144 --> 00:24:07,013
in terms of my employment
with General Motors.
457
00:24:07,046 --> 00:24:09,849
Studying General Motors'
practices over the years,
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00:24:09,882 --> 00:24:11,918
and I don't speak
for the engineers
and scientists
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00:24:11,951 --> 00:24:13,419
who would really
have liked to have done
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00:24:13,452 --> 00:24:16,322
a better job with
motor-vehicle technology,
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00:24:16,355 --> 00:24:17,957
but the executives
at the top,
462
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:19,559
their motto seemed
to have been,
463
00:24:19,592 --> 00:24:21,528
"Going backwards
into the future."
464
00:24:21,561 --> 00:24:25,031
And that's what they've been
doing for decades.
465
00:24:25,064 --> 00:24:27,166
SHEEN: As a veteran
consumer advocate,
466
00:24:27,199 --> 00:24:29,736
Ralph Nader used
grassroots campaigns
467
00:24:29,769 --> 00:24:32,605
to make cars safer
and more fuel-efficient.
468
00:24:32,639 --> 00:24:34,206
He's familiar
with the tactics used
469
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,376
by the auto industry
to resist change.
470
00:24:37,409 --> 00:24:39,045
RALPH NADER: There're all
kinds of ways
471
00:24:39,078 --> 00:24:41,113
that they can bring
politicians to their knees.
472
00:24:41,147 --> 00:24:44,150
Once the auto companies
get a long lee time,
473
00:24:44,183 --> 00:24:46,819
then they go to work
eroding, eroding,
474
00:24:46,853 --> 00:24:49,722
and then when the deadline
is approaching,
they say we can't do it,
475
00:24:49,756 --> 00:24:52,124
and there are gonna
be terrible consequences.
476
00:24:52,158 --> 00:24:55,194
SHEEN: Automakers took
the fight to a new level.
477
00:24:55,227 --> 00:24:59,699
They sued California's
Air Resources Board.
478
00:24:59,732 --> 00:25:03,435
GM lead the lawsuit,
soon joined by Chrysler
479
00:25:03,469 --> 00:25:06,105
and several auto dealerships.
480
00:25:06,138 --> 00:25:09,208
As California withered
under the pressure,
481
00:25:09,241 --> 00:25:12,211
the carmakers found
a powerful new ally,
482
00:25:13,379 --> 00:25:16,048
the federal government.
483
00:25:16,082 --> 00:25:18,150
Shortly after
joining the suit,
484
00:25:18,184 --> 00:25:20,753
the Bush administration
made another announcement.
485
00:25:20,787 --> 00:25:25,057
Tonight I'm proposing
$1.2 billion
in research funding
486
00:25:25,091 --> 00:25:27,093
so that America
can lead the world
487
00:25:27,126 --> 00:25:31,598
in developing clean
hydrogen-powered automobiles.
488
00:25:31,631 --> 00:25:33,933
(CLAPPING)
489
00:25:33,966 --> 00:25:37,403
SHEEN: The federal government
joined the car
and oil industries
490
00:25:37,436 --> 00:25:41,107
to embrace a new clean
car of the future.
491
00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:44,376
With more than a billion
federal dollars up for grabs,
492
00:25:44,410 --> 00:25:49,015
over the next few years
the campaign for hydrogen
fuel cell vehicles
493
00:25:49,048 --> 00:25:51,283
began to sway California.
494
00:25:51,317 --> 00:25:54,420
MAN ON TV: Hello there
and welcome to the California
Fuel Cell Partnership
495
00:25:54,453 --> 00:25:56,989
where we're fueling
the future in a new
496
00:25:57,023 --> 00:25:59,425
and environmentally
friendly way.
497
00:25:59,458 --> 00:26:02,394
Automakers, energy
and technology providers,
498
00:26:02,428 --> 00:26:04,230
along with government agencies
499
00:26:04,263 --> 00:26:06,298
are voluntarily
working together
500
00:26:06,332 --> 00:26:10,202
to commercialize the fuel cell
for cars and buses.
501
00:26:10,236 --> 00:26:11,804
Soon you may see
some of these cars
502
00:26:11,838 --> 00:26:13,940
cruising through
your very own neighborhood.
503
00:26:13,973 --> 00:26:16,843
ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER:
We wanna just dream about
the hydrogen fueling stations.
504
00:26:16,876 --> 00:26:20,713
We wanna just dream
about the hydrogen cars.
We will build it.
505
00:26:20,747 --> 00:26:25,084
The hydrogen Hummer
is not a production vehicle,
it's a concept vehicle.
506
00:26:25,117 --> 00:26:28,821
It's a way for
Governor Schwarzenegger
to have a property
507
00:26:28,855 --> 00:26:31,257
at various events
that he goes to
when he unveils
508
00:26:31,290 --> 00:26:35,161
a new hydrogen
refueling station.
At LAX, for example.
509
00:26:35,194 --> 00:26:37,429
SCHWARZENEGGER: I am going
to encourage the building
510
00:26:37,463 --> 00:26:38,765
of a hydrogen highway
511
00:26:38,798 --> 00:26:41,300
to take us
to the environmental future.
512
00:26:41,333 --> 00:26:43,569
SHEEN: While hydrogen
fuel cells offered
513
00:26:43,602 --> 00:26:46,839
an exciting alternative
sometime in the future,
514
00:26:46,873 --> 00:26:49,909
what would happen
to the technology of today?
515
00:26:49,942 --> 00:26:52,945
What would happen
to the electric car?
516
00:26:52,979 --> 00:26:55,414
It all came down
to a decisive meeting
517
00:26:55,447 --> 00:26:58,317
at California's
Air Resources Board.
518
00:26:58,350 --> 00:27:01,020
Citizens and industry
alike testified
519
00:27:01,053 --> 00:27:04,991
as CARB prepared
to vote on the fate
of the electric car.
520
00:27:05,024 --> 00:27:08,094
I'd also like to thank
all the other stakeholders,
521
00:27:08,127 --> 00:27:11,297
particularly also
the auto industry
522
00:27:11,330 --> 00:27:14,466
who is going to also
have a major impact here.
523
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:18,270
I like the fact that hydrogen
might be in a position
524
00:27:18,304 --> 00:27:22,108
to, uh, displace, uh,
the petroleum, uh, products.
525
00:27:22,141 --> 00:27:25,377
DORENE D'ADAMO: I share
your optimism on fuel cells,
just not to the extent.
526
00:27:25,411 --> 00:27:28,781
I think it's
a bait-and-switch,
um, uh, strategy.
527
00:27:28,815 --> 00:27:30,282
I hope I'm wrong.
528
00:27:30,316 --> 00:27:33,385
I'm concerned that
we've picked numbers
529
00:27:33,419 --> 00:27:36,522
that are based
entirely on fuel cells.
530
00:27:36,555 --> 00:27:38,424
What if fuel cells don't work?
531
00:27:41,427 --> 00:27:43,262
It seems that most
of the recent changes
532
00:27:43,295 --> 00:27:44,731
to the mandate
have been designed
533
00:27:44,764 --> 00:27:46,532
to ease the burden
on the automakers.
534
00:27:46,565 --> 00:27:49,368
You're part of
the environmental
protection agency,
535
00:27:49,401 --> 00:27:51,871
not the corporate
profit protection agency.
536
00:27:51,904 --> 00:27:55,341
I think that we've
been a contributor
to this marketplace, too...
537
00:27:55,374 --> 00:27:56,976
ALAN LLOYD:
I agree, I agree, I agree.
538
00:27:57,009 --> 00:27:59,111
But, remember,
there are many of you.
539
00:27:59,145 --> 00:28:02,314
We're not giving more time
to the auto manufacturers.
540
00:28:02,348 --> 00:28:06,853
Lou Browning, I think,
had--had the, uh, job
to present the EPRI report,
541
00:28:06,886 --> 00:28:08,620
and he'd been
promised 10 minutes.
542
00:28:08,654 --> 00:28:10,256
Uh, one of the things
we've found...
543
00:28:10,289 --> 00:28:12,224
Dr. Browning, I would
appreciate if you could
544
00:28:12,258 --> 00:28:13,893
summarize this
in three minutes.
545
00:28:13,926 --> 00:28:15,762
Okay, I thought I had 10
but...
546
00:28:15,795 --> 00:28:20,132
Alan Lloyd cut him off,
whereas he had given
the automakers,
547
00:28:20,166 --> 00:28:22,568
uh, sort of unlimited
time earlier in the day.
548
00:28:22,601 --> 00:28:24,503
And the improvements
we need in fuel cells
549
00:28:24,536 --> 00:28:27,373
are to get, uh,
mainly to get the cost down.
550
00:28:27,406 --> 00:28:30,076
In addition, we've recently
certified and introduced
551
00:28:30,109 --> 00:28:32,444
the Honda FCX
fuel cell vehicle.
552
00:28:32,478 --> 00:28:35,014
Largely, this work
is being pushed forward
553
00:28:35,047 --> 00:28:37,016
through the California
Fuel Cell Partnership,
554
00:28:37,049 --> 00:28:39,952
which has been very valuable
in pulling together
the diverse interests.
555
00:28:39,986 --> 00:28:44,456
Any new information
on batteries that--that
sort of didn't-- didn't mesh
556
00:28:44,490 --> 00:28:47,093
with the overall conclusions
was really just shut out
557
00:28:47,126 --> 00:28:49,261
very fast by Alan Lloyd.
558
00:28:49,295 --> 00:28:53,465
Let's get it clear.
I'm not trying to show any--
any bias or anything here.
559
00:28:53,499 --> 00:28:56,368
And there were 80 people
who came to speak
for electric cars
560
00:28:56,402 --> 00:28:58,971
and only two
industry representatives
561
00:28:59,005 --> 00:29:01,440
on the side, uh,
to kill the mandate.
562
00:29:01,473 --> 00:29:06,078
We have four people
out of 78
563
00:29:06,112 --> 00:29:08,514
who are supporting
this proposal.
564
00:29:08,547 --> 00:29:10,316
How did we end up with this?
565
00:29:10,349 --> 00:29:12,819
This is a tough,
tough program.
566
00:29:12,852 --> 00:29:15,087
It's a revolutionary program.
567
00:29:15,121 --> 00:29:17,389
It pushes
the automakers hard.
568
00:29:17,423 --> 00:29:19,625
And they don't like it,
and they push back hard.
569
00:29:19,658 --> 00:29:23,262
As you deliberate today
on the fate of this program,
570
00:29:23,295 --> 00:29:27,433
I urge you to summon
all of your political courage
571
00:29:27,466 --> 00:29:29,501
to make the hard choices
that you know
572
00:29:29,535 --> 00:29:31,470
you need to make
on this program.
573
00:29:31,503 --> 00:29:33,840
Because when it comes
to protecting the health
574
00:29:33,873 --> 00:29:35,374
of the people of California,
575
00:29:35,407 --> 00:29:38,878
there are simply no more
easy choices to make.
576
00:29:59,498 --> 00:30:02,101
I saw this as losing
this wonderful opportunity,
577
00:30:02,134 --> 00:30:03,635
that we had really
invested a great deal
578
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:07,273
in the infrastructure,
in the technology.
579
00:30:07,306 --> 00:30:08,875
It was like the rug
was pulled out.
580
00:30:08,908 --> 00:30:13,279
They gave it away.
And to me that's just sad.
581
00:30:13,312 --> 00:30:17,349
It's a sad commentary
on the way our society
582
00:30:17,383 --> 00:30:20,686
and our system in--in
the United States works.
583
00:30:20,719 --> 00:30:22,889
When GM introduced
the EV1,
584
00:30:22,922 --> 00:30:24,523
California was setting
the toughest
585
00:30:24,556 --> 00:30:26,926
auto pollution standards
in the nation.
586
00:30:26,959 --> 00:30:29,461
10% of all cars
sold here this year
587
00:30:29,495 --> 00:30:31,730
were to be zero-emission
vehicles.
588
00:30:31,763 --> 00:30:33,933
But California
dropped those standards
589
00:30:33,966 --> 00:30:35,902
after being sued
by automakers.
590
00:30:35,935 --> 00:30:39,671
A lot of the vehicles,
the Honda vehicles,
the General Motors vehicles,
591
00:30:39,705 --> 00:30:43,109
were all leased
and nobody had
the option to buy.
592
00:30:43,142 --> 00:30:46,078
So the automakers
took advantage of that
593
00:30:46,112 --> 00:30:48,047
and pulled all the cars
off the road.
594
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,649
They weren't willing
to let people take the cars
595
00:30:50,682 --> 00:30:53,519
and actually drive them
and keep driving them
like normal cars.
596
00:30:53,552 --> 00:30:56,688
I'll tell you when I noticed
that GM was losing interest
597
00:30:56,722 --> 00:31:01,293
was when I wanted
to re-lease my car
and they wouldn't let me.
598
00:31:01,327 --> 00:31:05,064
I've never had a product
I've had to beg and fight
599
00:31:05,097 --> 00:31:08,734
and--and, uh, cajole
600
00:31:08,767 --> 00:31:11,437
and persist so much to get.
601
00:31:11,470 --> 00:31:15,074
And then I had to try
and beg and--and fight
602
00:31:15,107 --> 00:31:17,743
and find any way
possible to try and keep.
603
00:31:17,776 --> 00:31:21,047
Well, they did not give you...
They didn't give
you an option to buy.
604
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,082
They said, "Thank you
for leasing the car.
605
00:31:23,115 --> 00:31:24,583
"Bye-bye." That's it.
606
00:31:24,616 --> 00:31:26,085
"Turn it in by such
and such a day
607
00:31:26,118 --> 00:31:27,686
"or you're gonna
be held liable."
608
00:31:27,719 --> 00:31:31,223
CHELSEA: GM had very quietly
gone about taking cars back
609
00:31:31,257 --> 00:31:33,192
without anybody
saying very much
610
00:31:33,225 --> 00:31:34,726
other than some
of the drivers
611
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,996
that complained about having
their cars taken away,
612
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:38,965
but never in a big
organized fashion.
613
00:31:38,998 --> 00:31:40,933
They had no choice
but to turn them in
614
00:31:40,967 --> 00:31:45,537
or, you know,
face the legal consequences
of basically stealing a car.
615
00:31:45,571 --> 00:31:47,206
To my knowledge
all the cars were turned in
616
00:31:47,239 --> 00:31:49,308
because people had
too much to lose.
617
00:31:49,341 --> 00:31:53,645
To this day,
the automakers have fought
anyone actually understanding
618
00:31:53,679 --> 00:31:56,648
how much demand there was
and how much demand
that there is.
619
00:31:56,682 --> 00:31:59,285
And so we decided
we were going to fight them
620
00:31:59,318 --> 00:32:02,989
in whatever way we could,
and we became organizers.
621
00:32:03,022 --> 00:32:07,593
SHEEN: Across California,
drivers held protests
to save electric cars.
622
00:32:07,626 --> 00:32:10,562
"...turned my head
around about electric cars.
623
00:32:10,596 --> 00:32:13,966
"And it broke me
of my addiction to oil."
624
00:32:36,855 --> 00:32:38,490
(BAGPIPE PLAYING)
625
00:32:39,925 --> 00:32:41,593
SHEEN:
Unable to change policy,
626
00:32:41,627 --> 00:32:45,998
activists staged a funeral
to raise public awareness.
627
00:32:46,032 --> 00:32:50,236
It was the same month
as the first
stage-one smog alert
628
00:32:50,269 --> 00:32:53,605
in Southern California
in five years.
629
00:32:53,639 --> 00:32:56,142
I was an EV1 driver,
still am,
630
00:32:56,175 --> 00:32:59,045
from 1998 until December
of this year
631
00:32:59,078 --> 00:33:00,912
when GM will have
to pry it out
632
00:33:00,946 --> 00:33:03,449
of my charger's
dead cold hands.
633
00:33:03,482 --> 00:33:04,550
(CROWD LAUGHING)
634
00:33:04,583 --> 00:33:06,252
What the detractors
and the critics
635
00:33:06,285 --> 00:33:10,256
of electric vehicles have been
saying for years is true.
636
00:33:10,289 --> 00:33:12,991
The electric vehicle
is not for everybody.
637
00:33:13,025 --> 00:33:18,064
Given the limited range,
it can only meet the needs
of 90% of the population.
638
00:33:18,097 --> 00:33:19,531
(CLAPPING)
639
00:33:22,701 --> 00:33:24,803
People used to ask me,
"Why do you do what you do?"
640
00:33:24,836 --> 00:33:28,006
And I, especially
after I had my son,
told them,
641
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,209
"I figure if I do
my job well enough,
642
00:33:30,242 --> 00:33:31,877
"my son will never know a time
643
00:33:31,910 --> 00:33:34,046
"before there were
electric cars on the road."
644
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,217
And he rode in an EV1
on the way over here,
and he said,
645
00:33:38,250 --> 00:33:41,287
"I wish we could keep
the EV1 for a long time."
646
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,655
And all I could say was,
"Me, too."
647
00:33:52,598 --> 00:33:54,600
SHEEN: By the summer of 2004,
648
00:33:54,633 --> 00:33:57,269
there was only
a single EV1 left
649
00:33:57,303 --> 00:33:59,638
in private hands
in southern California.
650
00:33:59,671 --> 00:34:03,175
PETER HORTON: Today is D-day.
Today is the end.
651
00:34:03,209 --> 00:34:04,476
GM did do it right.
652
00:34:04,510 --> 00:34:06,678
They did create a great,
great car.
653
00:34:06,712 --> 00:34:11,117
It's well-engineered,
it's well-designed
and it's enjoyable to drive.
654
00:34:11,150 --> 00:34:17,356
I've never seen a company
be so cannibalistic about
its own product before.
655
00:34:17,389 --> 00:34:20,459
It's-- It's such
an odd experience.
656
00:34:36,342 --> 00:34:38,310
MAN:
What makes that car go?
657
00:34:38,344 --> 00:34:40,379
You press this button.
658
00:34:40,412 --> 00:34:42,648
GIRL:
Press that right there.
659
00:34:42,681 --> 00:34:45,717
HORTON: It's an electric car
like Daddy's was.
660
00:34:47,453 --> 00:34:49,621
Hey, you got here
just in time.
661
00:34:49,655 --> 00:34:52,391
I know. I see that.
662
00:34:52,424 --> 00:34:53,825
So sad.
663
00:34:55,794 --> 00:34:59,665
This is the EV specialist
I was talking about
who gave me her car.
664
00:34:59,698 --> 00:35:01,167
It's completely sad.
Heartbroken.
665
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,801
Are you kidding me?
666
00:35:02,834 --> 00:35:05,504
They're my babies,
every one of them.
667
00:35:12,878 --> 00:35:16,382
A lot of-- a lot of human
potential just drove off.
668
00:35:17,316 --> 00:35:18,750
The fight continues.
669
00:35:18,784 --> 00:35:20,152
CHELSEA: It does.
670
00:35:31,029 --> 00:35:33,499
SHEEN: With no more
electric cars on the road,
671
00:35:33,532 --> 00:35:38,670
General Motors
now had possession
of their entire EV1 fleet.
672
00:35:38,704 --> 00:35:40,672
Why did they want them back?
673
00:35:40,706 --> 00:35:42,974
What were they going
to do with these cars?
674
00:35:43,008 --> 00:35:47,313
We had discovered
78 EV1s parked
in the back parking lot
675
00:35:47,346 --> 00:35:50,949
of a facility that
GM owns in Burbank.
676
00:35:50,982 --> 00:35:54,720
But taking off the cars
that were on the road
that were running fine,
677
00:35:54,753 --> 00:35:56,722
just let those people
drive those cars
678
00:35:56,755 --> 00:35:58,890
until they can't
drive them anymore.
679
00:36:04,196 --> 00:36:05,497
MAN: Where're you guys from?
680
00:36:05,531 --> 00:36:07,666
SCOTT:
We're from the EV1 Club,
681
00:36:07,699 --> 00:36:10,602
and we want to come
and take a--a look
at our cars.
682
00:36:10,636 --> 00:36:12,638
I know they're being
mothballed here.
683
00:36:12,671 --> 00:36:14,340
Yeah, I have no authorization
for you guys
684
00:36:14,373 --> 00:36:16,107
to come back there
and look at the cars.
685
00:36:16,141 --> 00:36:17,175
Can we just go and like...
686
00:36:17,209 --> 00:36:18,910
No.
687
00:36:18,944 --> 00:36:21,847
SHEEN: There were no clues
as to where the cars
were going
688
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,851
until a rumor surfaced
on the Internet.
689
00:36:25,884 --> 00:36:29,421
We had the understanding,
uh, through back-channels
690
00:36:29,455 --> 00:36:31,990
that these vehicles
were about to be taken
691
00:36:32,023 --> 00:36:33,759
to the Arizona
proving grounds.
692
00:36:33,792 --> 00:36:37,162
SHEEN: Many EV1s
had apparently been
trucked out of state
693
00:36:37,195 --> 00:36:41,300
to GM's vast proving grounds
in Mesa, Arizona.
694
00:36:41,333 --> 00:36:44,936
MAN: ...so large and it has
the track denoted...
695
00:36:44,970 --> 00:36:47,339
The location was off-limits
to the public,
696
00:36:47,373 --> 00:36:51,277
and there was
no way of knowing
where the EV1s might be.
697
00:36:58,484 --> 00:37:00,986
CHRIS PAINE ON RADIO:
We're flying over GM.
698
00:37:03,154 --> 00:37:05,223
No where around.
699
00:37:08,093 --> 00:37:09,861
There they are.
700
00:37:10,929 --> 00:37:12,298
Wow.
701
00:37:16,067 --> 00:37:17,903
Well, we flew over
General Motors,
702
00:37:17,936 --> 00:37:21,873
and looking down we could see
right next to the race track
703
00:37:21,907 --> 00:37:25,076
where the EV1
was first tested, we saw,
704
00:37:25,110 --> 00:37:27,946
I don't know,
maybe 50 EV1s crushed
705
00:37:27,979 --> 00:37:30,316
and put on top
of semi-flatbeds
706
00:37:30,349 --> 00:37:33,184
right next
to the yellow crusher.
707
00:37:33,218 --> 00:37:35,787
General Motors is almost
finished off, I think.
708
00:37:35,821 --> 00:37:41,226
I don't imagine there's
very many EV1s left that
haven't been--been crushed up.
709
00:37:41,259 --> 00:37:42,994
It's pretty sad.
710
00:37:48,767 --> 00:37:51,970
DAVE BARTHMUSS: There's
one of four things that
will happen with the EV1s.
711
00:37:52,003 --> 00:37:54,773
They'll go to
colleges and universities
and engineering schools.
712
00:37:54,806 --> 00:37:57,909
They'll go to museums
and other displays
across the country.
713
00:37:57,943 --> 00:38:01,480
Other EV1 vehicles
are being driven
by our engineers.
714
00:38:01,513 --> 00:38:02,981
And the other option
for the EV1s
715
00:38:03,014 --> 00:38:05,150
at the end of their life
is recycling.
716
00:38:05,183 --> 00:38:08,654
But know that every one,
every part of the EV1
is going to be recycled,
717
00:38:08,687 --> 00:38:10,556
dismantled through
a third party and then reused.
718
00:38:10,589 --> 00:38:11,890
Everything is going
to be recycled.
719
00:38:11,923 --> 00:38:13,625
We're not just
going to crush it
720
00:38:13,659 --> 00:38:15,761
and send it off
to a landfill.
721
00:38:21,733 --> 00:38:24,670
When I saw the picture
of the pile of crushed cars,
722
00:38:24,703 --> 00:38:29,808
it--it hurt and I, you know,
I thought it was, uh,
pretty spiteful.
723
00:38:29,841 --> 00:38:34,646
To see, on the,
you know, on the computer,
on the I-Internet,
724
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,384
the--the crushed
EV1s that GM did...
725
00:38:38,417 --> 00:38:40,218
It was-- it was wrong.
It was wrong.
726
00:38:40,251 --> 00:38:41,620
Tragic. That was tragic.
727
00:38:41,653 --> 00:38:46,525
But more wrong
is the reasons for it.
728
00:38:46,558 --> 00:38:50,061
All of a sudden
we were sort of left at odds.
You know, "What do we do now?"
729
00:38:50,095 --> 00:38:52,030
And at the time that
most of this was going on,
730
00:38:52,063 --> 00:38:56,568
no one had any idea
that every automaker
was going to jump ship.
731
00:38:56,602 --> 00:38:59,538
SHEEN: More Internet tips
revealed that the EV1s
732
00:38:59,571 --> 00:39:03,041
were not the only
electric vehicles
in jeopardy.
733
00:39:03,074 --> 00:39:05,911
A number of Ford Th!nks
and Ranger electric trucks
734
00:39:05,944 --> 00:39:08,113
were discovered
in Palm Springs
735
00:39:08,146 --> 00:39:10,816
and rumored to be
set for destruction.
736
00:39:12,017 --> 00:39:14,085
In Los Angeles,
activists spotted
737
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:16,855
a truck-load of Toyota
RAV4 EVs.
738
00:39:16,888 --> 00:39:20,926
Fearing the destination
was a crushing facility,
they chased it.
739
00:39:20,959 --> 00:39:23,762
The next morning,
the truck turned back.
740
00:39:23,795 --> 00:39:26,765
LINDA NICHOLES:
That guy was going
as fast as he possibly could
741
00:39:26,798 --> 00:39:28,434
in a big transport like that,
742
00:39:28,467 --> 00:39:30,602
trying to lose us,
it was clear.
743
00:39:30,636 --> 00:39:32,103
But wasn't able
to do it and, of course,
744
00:39:32,137 --> 00:39:34,706
that did change
Toyota's plans.
745
00:39:34,740 --> 00:39:38,844
It was so inconsistent,
they didn't know
what the hell to do.
746
00:39:40,378 --> 00:39:42,113
Then he goes
to the end of the pier,
747
00:39:42,147 --> 00:39:44,816
and these two big
security guards come out,
748
00:39:44,850 --> 00:39:46,918
they open this locked gate,
749
00:39:46,952 --> 00:39:52,057
truck goes inside and--
and then the security guards
come out and surveil us.
750
00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:55,126
Somehow we ended up
at--at this godforsaken place.
751
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:56,962
Which has everything.
752
00:39:56,995 --> 00:39:59,831
It has spewing smoke
into the harbor that
kids have to breathe.
753
00:39:59,865 --> 00:40:03,602
It has an oil well
and it has Toyota,
which is supposed to be
754
00:40:03,635 --> 00:40:07,639
the greenest car company,
but which is simultaneously
crushing
755
00:40:07,673 --> 00:40:11,843
and hiding the fact
that they're crushing
clean RAV4 EVs,
756
00:40:11,877 --> 00:40:15,046
instead of selling them
to willing customers.
757
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,483
SHEEN: No one had seen
Honda's electric cars
758
00:40:17,516 --> 00:40:20,085
since they were taken
from customers.
759
00:40:20,118 --> 00:40:25,056
Then, an episode of
California's Green
aired on PBS.
760
00:40:25,090 --> 00:40:28,860
So we're gonna be able
to see cars shredded today.
761
00:40:28,894 --> 00:40:30,095
Absolutely.
762
00:40:30,128 --> 00:40:32,631
Which is not something
most of us get to see.
763
00:40:32,664 --> 00:40:34,800
We shred the cars,
about a car a minute,
764
00:40:34,833 --> 00:40:36,935
1,000 cars a day
on a good day.
765
00:40:36,968 --> 00:40:39,070
And what's interesting,
the first thing
766
00:40:39,104 --> 00:40:41,239
we noticed when
we drove up here,
767
00:40:41,272 --> 00:40:44,142
you're gonna be shredding
some new cars here, too.
768
00:40:44,175 --> 00:40:46,044
These look like
perfectly good cars.
769
00:40:46,077 --> 00:40:48,079
Why are you
shredding them up?
770
00:40:48,113 --> 00:40:50,015
Uh, little bit
of a mystery really
771
00:40:50,048 --> 00:40:51,717
since I've been here
the last eight years.
772
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:54,119
They bring us these cars
from the dealerships
773
00:40:54,152 --> 00:40:56,054
and say that
they're test cars.
774
00:40:56,087 --> 00:40:58,890
And they've been brought over
to test various emissions,
775
00:40:58,924 --> 00:41:00,992
and the insurance companies
won't reinsure them.
776
00:41:01,026 --> 00:41:03,028
So, they have to watch them
destroyed here.
777
00:41:03,061 --> 00:41:05,196
HUELL HOWSER: Boy,
that seems like a shame.
778
00:41:05,230 --> 00:41:07,633
I'd like to drive off
in one of these things.
779
00:41:07,666 --> 00:41:09,367
(ROARING)
780
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:14,039
Ladies and gentlemen,
that's the sound
of a crushed automobile
781
00:41:14,072 --> 00:41:17,509
being shredded
into a million pieces.
782
00:41:31,156 --> 00:41:34,125
There's no precedent
for a car company rounding up
783
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:36,094
every one of a particular
kind of car,
784
00:41:36,127 --> 00:41:39,565
and crushing them
as if they're afraid
one might get away.
785
00:41:39,598 --> 00:41:41,332
I think they
wanted to be sure
786
00:41:41,366 --> 00:41:44,135
that none of them
were driving around
in the streets anymore,
787
00:41:44,169 --> 00:41:48,473
to remind people that
there is such a thing
as an electric car.
788
00:41:48,506 --> 00:41:50,676
CHELSEA: People keep making
all these analogies about,
789
00:41:50,709 --> 00:41:54,312
you know, crushing the EV
is a betrayal of the American
dream.
790
00:41:54,345 --> 00:41:56,682
It's not a dream.
I mean, it's here and now.
791
00:41:56,715 --> 00:41:59,117
It may be a betrayal
of my dream,
792
00:41:59,150 --> 00:42:02,187
but it's a betrayal
of the American reality.
793
00:42:02,220 --> 00:42:05,691
SHEEN: After the discovery
of the crushed EV1s
in Arizona,
794
00:42:05,724 --> 00:42:08,093
electric car drivers
took action.
795
00:42:08,126 --> 00:42:11,129
They vowed to keep watch
over the remaining EV1s
796
00:42:11,162 --> 00:42:14,633
being stored at the GM
facility in Burbank.
797
00:42:14,666 --> 00:42:17,703
There are about 70 cars
left in California.
798
00:42:17,736 --> 00:42:19,971
They're in the parking lot
behind me,
799
00:42:20,005 --> 00:42:22,941
and they have plans
to crush those, as well.
800
00:42:22,974 --> 00:42:26,077
And we need
to make a call-out action
801
00:42:26,111 --> 00:42:29,247
on General Motors
to give them back.
802
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,282
You know, we ended up
rallying enough troops
803
00:42:31,316 --> 00:42:34,452
in terms of interests
and organizations
to join our coalitions,
804
00:42:34,485 --> 00:42:36,321
and then simply didn't leave,
805
00:42:36,354 --> 00:42:39,157
and stayed, you know,
24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
806
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:44,529
It's 6:00 a.m., and
I've been here for an hour,
part of the vigil.
807
00:42:44,562 --> 00:42:49,500
We're making sure
that GM doesn't sneak out
their cars in the back lot.
808
00:42:49,534 --> 00:42:52,771
The first two weeks
we were pretty much ignored.
809
00:42:52,804 --> 00:42:54,272
It was, like, monsoon rains,
810
00:42:54,305 --> 00:42:56,742
and it was kind of depressing
to be out there,
811
00:42:56,775 --> 00:42:59,277
but at the same time,
there was such
a sense of mission.
812
00:42:59,310 --> 00:43:02,413
I was here this morning
from about 5:45 a.m.,
813
00:43:02,447 --> 00:43:06,785
and, you know,
it's pretty--
it's pretty quiet.
814
00:43:06,818 --> 00:43:10,555
Finally, on day 15,
we did this announcement
of this offer.
815
00:43:10,588 --> 00:43:14,993
SHEEN: As the EV activists
recorded the VIN numbers
of the cars in storage,
816
00:43:15,026 --> 00:43:19,597
Chelsea led
a last-ditch effort
to buy the cars from GM.
817
00:43:19,631 --> 00:43:23,301
CHELSEA: "Okay, General Motors
contends that no one wants
these EV1s here.
818
00:43:23,334 --> 00:43:24,936
"Would anybody be
willing to buy them
819
00:43:24,970 --> 00:43:26,437
"for the residual
price of the lease?"
820
00:43:26,471 --> 00:43:30,208
And within 48 hours,
over 80 people had signed up.
821
00:43:30,241 --> 00:43:32,243
There were only
78 cars in that lot,
822
00:43:32,277 --> 00:43:33,979
and already
we had a waiting list
823
00:43:34,012 --> 00:43:35,480
for a car
that wasn't available.
824
00:43:35,513 --> 00:43:37,816
You know, it was a tremendous
deja vu moment.
825
00:43:37,849 --> 00:43:41,586
So, at this point,
we thought it would
be appropriate
826
00:43:41,619 --> 00:43:45,490
to come full circle
and join me
in holding this check
827
00:43:45,523 --> 00:43:49,394
offering $1.9 million
to General Motors
828
00:43:49,427 --> 00:43:51,429
to put these cars
back on the road.
829
00:43:51,462 --> 00:43:53,364
(CROWD CHEERING)
830
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,838
SHEEN: Despite the offer,
GM did not respond.
831
00:43:59,871 --> 00:44:04,710
The fate of the last 78 EV1s
remained in doubt.
832
00:44:04,743 --> 00:44:07,846
A small group
of activists would
continue their vigil,
833
00:44:07,879 --> 00:44:11,049
to keep the dream of
the electric car alive.
834
00:44:13,518 --> 00:44:15,721
Who controls the future?
835
00:44:17,856 --> 00:44:19,691
Uh, whoever has
the biggest club.
836
00:44:19,725 --> 00:44:23,361
It's, um, in more ways
than one.
837
00:44:23,394 --> 00:44:25,430
One they can bash you in
and one they can belong to.
838
00:44:25,463 --> 00:44:26,664
(ALL CHATTERING)
839
00:44:26,698 --> 00:44:30,335
Gentlemen! Gentlemen!
840
00:44:30,368 --> 00:44:34,172
I know you're all
worried and I agree.
841
00:44:34,205 --> 00:44:36,441
There's plenty
to be worried about.
842
00:44:36,474 --> 00:44:39,310
Like this solar power plant
843
00:44:39,344 --> 00:44:43,248
already operational
outside Los Angeles.
844
00:44:43,281 --> 00:44:45,050
Photovoltaic cells,
845
00:44:45,083 --> 00:44:48,987
they convert sunlight
directly into electricity.
846
00:44:49,020 --> 00:44:53,524
Fluorescents,
lasts 10 times as long
as a conventional light bulb,
847
00:44:53,558 --> 00:44:55,560
uses only a quarter
of the power.
848
00:44:55,593 --> 00:45:00,431
Super windows,
insulate as well as
10 sheets of glass.
849
00:45:00,465 --> 00:45:04,770
An electric car,
partially powered
by solar panels.
850
00:45:05,771 --> 00:45:08,774
But the truth is, gentlemen,
851
00:45:08,807 --> 00:45:13,044
I'm not worried about
any of these things.
852
00:45:13,078 --> 00:45:18,149
Because no one's ever
going to know about them.
853
00:45:18,183 --> 00:45:20,418
So, there's all these
conspiracy theories
out there
854
00:45:20,451 --> 00:45:22,453
about, "Who killed
the electric car?"
855
00:45:22,487 --> 00:45:24,923
So really, "Who killed
the electric car?"
856
00:45:24,956 --> 00:45:27,759
Well, unfortunately,
I can't summarize
that in one sentence.
857
00:45:27,793 --> 00:45:30,028
What killed
the electric vehicle,
858
00:45:30,061 --> 00:45:32,163
very simply, I think,
is lack of corporate wisdom.
859
00:45:32,197 --> 00:45:35,033
Uh, in my opinion,
it's-- it's big oil that
killed the electric car.
860
00:45:35,066 --> 00:45:38,403
Alan Lloyd killed
the electric car program.
I was there when he did it.
861
00:45:38,436 --> 00:45:41,406
The California
Air Resources Board
killed the electric car,
862
00:45:41,439 --> 00:45:45,110
under huge pressure
from the auto companies.
863
00:45:45,143 --> 00:45:47,312
They were an accessory
to the murder,
864
00:45:47,345 --> 00:45:50,248
but the murder was committed
by the General Motors company.
865
00:45:50,281 --> 00:45:52,483
I don't believe
that for a minute.
866
00:45:52,517 --> 00:45:56,654
GM would sell you a car
that ran on pig shit
867
00:45:56,687 --> 00:45:59,090
if it-- if it sold.
868
00:46:04,562 --> 00:46:09,167
SHEEN: Carmakers argued that
there was not enough demand
for the electric car.
869
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,403
Claiming to have spent
millions of dollars
on advertising,
870
00:46:12,437 --> 00:46:14,705
they said buyers
weren't interested.
871
00:46:14,739 --> 00:46:18,176
But did consumers even know
that the car existed?
872
00:46:18,209 --> 00:46:21,379
MAN: Did you ever
see this car advertised
or hear anything about it?
873
00:46:21,412 --> 00:46:23,314
Never. That's what
I'm trying to say.
874
00:46:23,348 --> 00:46:25,316
It's totally under
the scope of the radar.
875
00:46:25,350 --> 00:46:27,418
I don't know
who drives an EV1, actually.
876
00:46:27,452 --> 00:46:28,686
MAN:
You don't know anybody?
877
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:29,988
Anybody.
878
00:46:30,021 --> 00:46:31,389
Maybe Fernando.
I know Fernando...
879
00:46:31,422 --> 00:46:33,624
Fernando,
did you ever drive an EV1?
880
00:46:33,658 --> 00:46:34,725
FERNANDO: I've heard of them.
881
00:46:34,759 --> 00:46:36,427
He's-- He's heard of them.
882
00:46:36,461 --> 00:46:38,529
So, they're not making
those cars in California
anymore?
883
00:46:38,563 --> 00:46:40,398
No. They're not
making them anywhere.
884
00:46:40,431 --> 00:46:42,767
That's really too bad.
We need those cars.
885
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,504
So, why are they
getting rid of it?
886
00:46:46,537 --> 00:46:49,440
MAN: Well,
they, uh, said that there
was no demand for the car.
887
00:46:49,474 --> 00:46:52,577
Are they insane?
That's a no-brainer.
Of course there's a demand.
888
00:46:52,610 --> 00:46:56,147
Save gas, save people,
save air, save oxygen,
save the world.
889
00:46:56,181 --> 00:46:57,983
All sounds good to me.
890
00:47:00,351 --> 00:47:03,121
JOHN WALLACE:
We've been selling
vehicles for a century,
891
00:47:03,154 --> 00:47:04,655
and you,
as you might imagine,
892
00:47:04,689 --> 00:47:06,691
we've sort of figured out
what people wanted.
893
00:47:06,724 --> 00:47:09,794
If you ask them, they say,
"Well, I want 300-mile range.
894
00:47:09,827 --> 00:47:13,398
"I wanna be able to go
85 or 90 miles an hour.
895
00:47:13,431 --> 00:47:17,068
"And I wanna
carry four passengers
and have a big trunk."
896
00:47:17,102 --> 00:47:19,670
Which is basically
what we were already selling.
897
00:47:19,704 --> 00:47:21,572
DIVINE: I've said this
time and time again.
898
00:47:21,606 --> 00:47:24,242
People will buy anything
you convince them to buy.
899
00:47:24,275 --> 00:47:30,415
They feed people enough,
and they--they believe
that's the diet.
900
00:47:30,448 --> 00:47:32,817
Consumers, they couldn't see
the difference
901
00:47:32,850 --> 00:47:34,986
between an electric car
and a car they were
already driving.
902
00:47:35,020 --> 00:47:37,722
You know, because
they don't-- they don't
read environmental impact.
903
00:47:37,755 --> 00:47:40,825
You know, they don't
read political instability
caused by oil production
904
00:47:40,858 --> 00:47:42,527
in the Middle East.
905
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,731
All they read is,
"Does this car work,
and how much does it cost?"
906
00:47:46,764 --> 00:47:49,500
DAN NEIL: What really killed
EVs was American consumers
907
00:47:49,534 --> 00:47:53,638
because they did
not accept this idea,
uh, did not embrace it,
908
00:47:53,671 --> 00:47:57,442
uh, that, uh, vehicles
could have these
limited ranges
909
00:47:57,475 --> 00:48:00,378
and still be functional,
useful, practical.
910
00:48:06,184 --> 00:48:10,055
SHEEN: Did the electric car
die because of battery
technology?
911
00:48:10,088 --> 00:48:12,657
Did EVs really not
have enough range?
912
00:48:12,690 --> 00:48:16,061
And did car companies use
the best batteries available?
913
00:48:16,094 --> 00:48:20,298
BILL WYLAM: The battery
technology at that time
was lead acid batteries
914
00:48:20,331 --> 00:48:23,134
and allowed the car
to go 60 miles.
915
00:48:23,168 --> 00:48:24,936
If you started out
on a trip knowing
916
00:48:24,970 --> 00:48:27,605
that you were gonna
go dead in 60 miles,
917
00:48:27,638 --> 00:48:30,608
you'd be nervous
about making the trip.
918
00:48:30,641 --> 00:48:33,844
SCOTT: People think
that they need a car
that will go 300 miles
919
00:48:33,878 --> 00:48:37,582
and be able to charge it up
or refuel it in five minutes.
920
00:48:37,615 --> 00:48:40,285
For virtually,
you know, 90-95%
921
00:48:40,318 --> 00:48:42,587
of your driving,
you really don't need that.
922
00:48:42,620 --> 00:48:45,556
You need
a vehicle that will go
at least 60 miles or so,
923
00:48:45,590 --> 00:48:48,626
and that way your--your
daily commute is covered.
924
00:48:48,659 --> 00:48:50,928
SHEEN: For those who
wanted greater range
925
00:48:50,962 --> 00:48:53,164
from an EV,
100 miles or more,
926
00:48:53,198 --> 00:48:55,300
a better battery
already existed.
927
00:48:55,333 --> 00:48:58,703
Developed by
a well-known inventor
working in Troy, Michigan,
928
00:48:58,736 --> 00:49:01,839
about 30 miles from
General Motors Headquarters.
929
00:49:01,872 --> 00:49:03,674
I'm Stan and...
930
00:49:03,708 --> 00:49:06,277
And Iris Ovshinsky.
931
00:49:06,311 --> 00:49:07,545
I think you shouldn't
do it that way.
932
00:49:07,578 --> 00:49:09,280
You should say
you're Stan Ovshinsky,
933
00:49:09,314 --> 00:49:10,548
and then I'll say
I'm Iris Ovshinsky.
934
00:49:10,581 --> 00:49:12,417
Don't do it that way.
It sounds funny.
935
00:49:12,450 --> 00:49:14,685
SHEEN: With over 200
patents to his name,
936
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,688
Stan Ovshinsky had
pioneered a new battery
937
00:49:17,722 --> 00:49:20,591
and GM purchased
controlling share
of his company.
938
00:49:20,625 --> 00:49:25,396
We were chosen
over 60 different,
uh, big companies,
939
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:27,065
like Westinghouse and others,
940
00:49:27,098 --> 00:49:31,536
who wanted to, uh,
win the race to make
the batteries
941
00:49:31,569 --> 00:49:35,606
that would be used
in pure electric cars.
942
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,210
And we were chosen
because we had a battery.
943
00:49:39,244 --> 00:49:43,581
And, uh, to us,
putting it into a car
944
00:49:43,614 --> 00:49:46,717
was not the most
gigantic thing.
945
00:49:46,751 --> 00:49:48,453
What were we supposed to do?
946
00:49:48,486 --> 00:49:50,855
But you did sort of expect
champagne and roses.
947
00:49:50,888 --> 00:49:52,690
I expected
champagne and roses.
948
00:49:52,723 --> 00:49:55,093
When I said that
we're going to put in
949
00:49:55,126 --> 00:49:57,362
a paragraph
into the newspaper
950
00:49:57,395 --> 00:49:59,330
that said we had
achieved this,
951
00:49:59,364 --> 00:50:03,368
I really expected
congratulations to flow in.
952
00:50:03,401 --> 00:50:05,403
And then I knew that
something was different
953
00:50:05,436 --> 00:50:07,405
when the opposite happened.
954
00:50:07,438 --> 00:50:09,607
SHEEN: Ovshinsky was
censured for publicizing
955
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,377
his battery advances
without permission
956
00:50:12,410 --> 00:50:17,348
and asked not to run
advertising in national
publications.
957
00:50:17,382 --> 00:50:20,285
The EV1 debuted
with a weaker battery.
958
00:50:20,318 --> 00:50:23,354
It would be another two years
before Ovshinsky's batteries
959
00:50:23,388 --> 00:50:26,291
were installed in the EV1.
960
00:50:26,324 --> 00:50:30,228
The first version
of the EV1 had defective
Delco batteries in them,
961
00:50:30,261 --> 00:50:31,629
and they kept failing.
962
00:50:31,662 --> 00:50:33,964
So, that was GM's failure
on those batteries.
963
00:50:33,998 --> 00:50:35,233
Once they put
good batteries in,
964
00:50:35,266 --> 00:50:37,102
they didn't
have any problems.
965
00:50:37,135 --> 00:50:40,405
SHEEN: Ultimately,
GM sold its share
in Ovshinsky's company
966
00:50:40,438 --> 00:50:42,407
to an unlikely buyer.
967
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,909
DOUG KORTHOF: Then when
the nickel metal hydride
batteries were improved,
968
00:50:44,942 --> 00:50:47,878
so that they're now
lasting longer than
the life of the car
969
00:50:47,912 --> 00:50:50,215
and cheaper than an engine,
970
00:50:50,248 --> 00:50:55,886
Chevron Texaco stepped in
and purchased control
from General Motors
971
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,223
of Ovshinsky technology.
972
00:50:58,256 --> 00:51:02,059
The oil companies
do not feel threatened
by battery technology
973
00:51:02,093 --> 00:51:04,429
because they effectively
crushed it.
974
00:51:04,462 --> 00:51:06,697
The electric car's kind of
an interesting case study.
975
00:51:06,731 --> 00:51:09,434
I mean, it--it--it was
such an abysmal failure
976
00:51:09,467 --> 00:51:12,637
that I think there
are a lot of people involved
in the initial decision-making
977
00:51:12,670 --> 00:51:16,141
trying to, pointing fingers
at--at whose responsibility
it is.
978
00:51:26,351 --> 00:51:29,154
MAN ON TV: To Basra
and all Iraq comes good news
979
00:51:29,187 --> 00:51:30,988
with the opening
of a new oil field.
980
00:51:31,021 --> 00:51:35,526
The pipeline
runs across the desert
to the Persian Gulf at Faw.
981
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:40,498
There, tankers load up
with the precious fuel
the world needs so badly.
982
00:51:40,531 --> 00:51:45,170
Yes, it's a big day for Iraq,
and there's a feast
to celebrate.
983
00:51:45,203 --> 00:51:48,839
Sheep stuffed with rice
and a host of other
good things.
984
00:51:48,873 --> 00:51:50,675
But that's only
the first of the good things
985
00:51:50,708 --> 00:51:55,012
that will come to Iraq,
thanks to oil.
986
00:51:55,045 --> 00:51:58,849
SHEEN: Oil companies
have rarely shied away
from global issues.
987
00:51:58,883 --> 00:52:02,520
But why did
they lobby so hard
to build public opposition
988
00:52:02,553 --> 00:52:04,622
to the electric car
in California?
989
00:52:04,655 --> 00:52:08,726
I find it difficult
to rationalize why, um,
990
00:52:08,759 --> 00:52:11,696
the oil industry
got so intimately
involved in this.
991
00:52:11,729 --> 00:52:14,332
Other than maybe
they saw it as a threat
992
00:52:14,365 --> 00:52:16,901
to, uh, what I would call
a monopoly they had
993
00:52:16,934 --> 00:52:19,870
on--on providing
the transportation fuel.
994
00:52:19,904 --> 00:52:21,906
There's no question
that people who, uh,
995
00:52:21,939 --> 00:52:23,474
control the marketplace today,
the oil companies,
996
00:52:23,508 --> 00:52:26,043
have a strong incentive
997
00:52:26,076 --> 00:52:28,713
to discourage alternatives,
998
00:52:28,746 --> 00:52:31,882
uh, except the alternatives
that they themselves control.
999
00:52:31,916 --> 00:52:35,520
And, you know,
just as General Motors
1000
00:52:35,553 --> 00:52:40,291
40, 50 years ago bought up
the trolley systems
and shut them down,
1001
00:52:40,325 --> 00:52:42,927
uh, the oil companies
have opposed
1002
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,896
the creation of an electric
infrastructure.
1003
00:52:47,798 --> 00:52:49,200
I--I differ strongly
with that.
1004
00:52:49,234 --> 00:52:51,101
We--We did not k-kill
the electric car.
1005
00:52:51,135 --> 00:52:52,937
The petroleum industry did not
kill the electric car.
1006
00:52:52,970 --> 00:52:56,307
What killed the electric car
was antiquated technology.
1007
00:52:56,341 --> 00:52:59,977
It's a good example,
and it's something
that we should not repeat,
1008
00:53:00,010 --> 00:53:02,280
an example that
we need to avoid.
1009
00:53:05,250 --> 00:53:07,585
RIPPEL: There's still
roughly a trillion barrels
1010
00:53:07,618 --> 00:53:09,820
worth of oil
in the Earth's crust.
1011
00:53:09,854 --> 00:53:11,922
And if you figure
that the average price
1012
00:53:11,956 --> 00:53:14,825
of that subsequent oil
will be $100 a barrel,
1013
00:53:14,859 --> 00:53:20,531
that's $100 trillion worth
of business yet to be done.
1014
00:53:20,565 --> 00:53:24,935
However, at some point,
when an alternative
is good enough,
1015
00:53:24,969 --> 00:53:26,904
people will snap over,
1016
00:53:26,937 --> 00:53:30,007
uh, and that's what
the oil companies
fear the most.
1017
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,311
KORTHOF: We use
280 million gallons of
gasoline a week in California.
1018
00:53:33,344 --> 00:53:35,413
Right now,
the price is $2.20.
1019
00:53:35,446 --> 00:53:38,449
Well, a year ago,
it was-- it was $1.20.
1020
00:53:38,483 --> 00:53:40,217
Okay, there's a dollar
more a gallon.
1021
00:53:40,251 --> 00:53:44,489
Somebody's making
$280 million more
a week this year.
1022
00:53:44,522 --> 00:53:48,158
It's the same gas,
the same pipeline,
the same refineries.
1023
00:53:48,192 --> 00:53:50,261
The profits are outstanding.
1024
00:53:58,936 --> 00:54:00,871
RIPPEL: What the oil companies
feared
1025
00:54:00,905 --> 00:54:04,208
is that electric vehicles
would--would become successful
1026
00:54:04,241 --> 00:54:05,676
six years from now.
1027
00:54:05,710 --> 00:54:07,978
What the automobile
companies feared
1028
00:54:08,012 --> 00:54:10,281
was that they'd
be losing money
on electric vehicles
1029
00:54:10,315 --> 00:54:11,716
in the next six months.
1030
00:54:17,555 --> 00:54:19,857
SHEEN: Even as car companies
made electric cars,
1031
00:54:19,890 --> 00:54:22,226
they fought them
at every step.
1032
00:54:22,259 --> 00:54:23,828
What was their motive?
1033
00:54:23,861 --> 00:54:27,231
Why were they so determined
to take them off the road?
1034
00:54:27,264 --> 00:54:29,199
I mean,
I think in the beginning,
1035
00:54:29,233 --> 00:54:31,636
General Motors didn't believe
the car was gonna catch on.
1036
00:54:31,669 --> 00:54:34,539
I don't think they thought
they'd ever have to worry
about something
1037
00:54:34,572 --> 00:54:36,541
like a conspiracy
to keep it from happening.
1038
00:54:36,574 --> 00:54:38,208
They hated the mandate.
1039
00:54:38,242 --> 00:54:41,145
They hated it so much
that they ended up
not even really wanting
1040
00:54:41,178 --> 00:54:42,780
to be in the business
of EVs.
1041
00:54:42,813 --> 00:54:47,518
What I frankly detected
was a huge resentment
about being told
1042
00:54:47,552 --> 00:54:49,754
what type of motor vehicle
had to be made.
1043
00:54:49,787 --> 00:54:54,759
And it became
a fight of principle
rather than one of trying
1044
00:54:54,792 --> 00:54:57,995
to actually technologically
solve the problem.
1045
00:54:58,028 --> 00:55:02,433
I do know that,
uh, I was surprised
at some of the stances
1046
00:55:02,467 --> 00:55:05,336
they took in Sacramento
in arguing.
1047
00:55:07,838 --> 00:55:09,407
End of comment.
1048
00:55:11,041 --> 00:55:14,044
SHEEN: In a confidential
1995 memo,
1049
00:55:14,078 --> 00:55:17,748
the American Automobile
Manufacturers Association
1050
00:55:17,782 --> 00:55:21,419
sought to hire a PR firm
to manage a so-called
1051
00:55:21,452 --> 00:55:24,522
"grassroots and
educational campaign"
1052
00:55:24,555 --> 00:55:27,592
to create a climate
to repeal the mandate.
1053
00:55:27,625 --> 00:55:29,694
The challenge,
according to the document,
1054
00:55:29,727 --> 00:55:33,964
was "greater
consumer acceptance
of electric vehicles."
1055
00:55:33,998 --> 00:55:36,634
Why would
the car companies campaign
1056
00:55:36,667 --> 00:55:39,069
so hard against
their own creation?
1057
00:55:39,103 --> 00:55:43,374
I made the case
at the General Motors Board
1058
00:55:43,408 --> 00:55:47,945
that the reason for the EV1
was to give General Motors
1059
00:55:47,978 --> 00:55:52,783
a very big head start
in how you transform
electricity
1060
00:55:52,817 --> 00:55:55,386
into the drive power
for the car.
1061
00:55:55,420 --> 00:55:59,156
And we give them two,
three years lead,
1062
00:55:59,189 --> 00:56:00,958
and in my judgment it did.
1063
00:56:00,991 --> 00:56:04,795
But my frustration was
they did not capitalize
on the lead.
1064
00:56:04,829 --> 00:56:08,065
And the reason, which
was discussed at the Board,
1065
00:56:08,098 --> 00:56:12,970
was that there was not
a profit seen to be coming out
1066
00:56:13,003 --> 00:56:15,473
of either electric cars
or hybrids.
1067
00:56:15,506 --> 00:56:20,310
They could not understand
how Toyota could possibly
make a profit
1068
00:56:20,344 --> 00:56:22,447
out of the Prius,
for example.
1069
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,615
They were gonna
lose their shirt.
1070
00:56:24,649 --> 00:56:26,784
And as evidence have shown,
1071
00:56:26,817 --> 00:56:29,954
I don't think Toyota
is losing their shirt.
1072
00:56:29,987 --> 00:56:33,090
SHEEN: If loss of revenue
worried car companies,
1073
00:56:33,123 --> 00:56:36,861
then the electric car posed
another problem altogether.
1074
00:56:36,894 --> 00:56:39,196
It had no internal
combustion engine,
1075
00:56:39,229 --> 00:56:42,332
the cornerstone
of the auto industry.
1076
00:56:42,366 --> 00:56:46,070
These parts
represent a large part
of a dealership's income
1077
00:56:46,103 --> 00:56:48,973
through the, uh,
the replacement
and the maintenance.
1078
00:56:49,006 --> 00:56:50,975
CHELSEA: Essentially,
this group of parts
1079
00:56:51,008 --> 00:56:53,110
is a visual representation
of the profits
1080
00:56:53,143 --> 00:56:56,681
that the auto industry
doesn't make
when they sell an EV1
1081
00:56:56,714 --> 00:56:58,048
or an EV in general.
1082
00:56:58,082 --> 00:57:00,250
I can actually
identify a lot of these
1083
00:57:00,284 --> 00:57:02,386
that didn't get used
on the EV1 program.
1084
00:57:02,419 --> 00:57:04,622
You know, oil filters
you need four times a year.
1085
00:57:04,655 --> 00:57:06,090
That was probably
the most prominent thing,
1086
00:57:06,123 --> 00:57:08,926
along with the several
quarts of oil every time.
1087
00:57:08,959 --> 00:57:11,629
I didn't enjoy working on
an internal combustion engine,
1088
00:57:11,662 --> 00:57:13,363
just due to the fact
you got so dirty.
1089
00:57:13,397 --> 00:57:18,035
And working on the EV1,
I'd basically go home
looking like this.
1090
00:57:18,068 --> 00:57:21,906
Uh, servicing the EV1
was, uh, pretty simple.
1091
00:57:21,939 --> 00:57:25,275
It came in about
every 5,000 miles.
We'd put it in the air,
1092
00:57:25,309 --> 00:57:26,877
we'd, uh, rotate the tires,
1093
00:57:26,911 --> 00:57:31,982
add washer fluid to it
and send it back out
on the street.
1094
00:57:32,016 --> 00:57:36,120
It's amazing.
Look how dirty I've gotten
just in handling this stuff.
1095
00:57:36,153 --> 00:57:37,655
It's kind of sad.
1096
00:57:37,688 --> 00:57:39,657
CHELSEA: In order to sincerely
market a clean car,
1097
00:57:39,690 --> 00:57:42,893
you have to suggest that
your core product is dirty
1098
00:57:42,927 --> 00:57:45,062
and that it uses oil
and that it uses gas
1099
00:57:45,095 --> 00:57:47,665
and that it increases
our dependence
on foreign oil.
1100
00:57:47,698 --> 00:57:49,333
And here's this product
that doesn't.
1101
00:57:49,366 --> 00:57:52,803
It looks very schizophrenic,
but I think when it started,
it...
1102
00:57:52,837 --> 00:57:55,039
W-We can show the people
in California
1103
00:57:55,072 --> 00:57:59,209
we can meet the zero-emission
requirements.
1104
00:57:59,243 --> 00:58:02,146
And later on say,
"Do we want to show them
that we can meet it?"
1105
00:58:02,179 --> 00:58:04,214
That means all
of our other cars...
1106
00:58:04,248 --> 00:58:07,084
But the more it caught on,
the more that
there was this dichotomy
1107
00:58:07,117 --> 00:58:13,290
between clean and efficient
and nonpolluting
versus a Suburban.
1108
00:58:13,323 --> 00:58:15,526
SHEEN: Car companies
had convinced themselves
1109
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:19,329
that they could not
make money in the short term
with the electric car.
1110
00:58:19,363 --> 00:58:24,234
In order to do that,
they would need
an entirely different vehicle.
1111
00:58:24,268 --> 00:58:27,304
TOM EVERHEART: General Motors
made a commitment
to the Hummer
1112
00:58:27,337 --> 00:58:30,875
because they could see
the Hummer
would make them money.
1113
00:58:33,878 --> 00:58:36,714
When the SUVs first came out,
people were like,
"I can't drive that."
1114
00:58:36,747 --> 00:58:38,916
"What? That big old thing?"
Especially ladies.
"That's a tank!"
1115
00:58:38,949 --> 00:58:41,218
"I can't see out of that."
"I'm gonna murder
somebody in that."
1116
00:58:41,251 --> 00:58:44,188
"That's too big."
"That's too big for me."
1117
00:58:44,221 --> 00:58:47,224
But they convinced people.
"This is safer."
"You need this car."
1118
00:58:47,257 --> 00:58:49,159
"You need a big car."
"This is a safer car."
1119
00:58:49,193 --> 00:58:51,061
"You need this
for your family."
"Bigger, safer."
1120
00:58:51,095 --> 00:58:57,201
The idea of a, uh,
of a penny-pinching EV1
that was super green,
1121
00:58:57,234 --> 00:58:58,703
you know, that didn't
get a lot of attraction.
1122
00:58:58,736 --> 00:59:02,239
Whereas the idea
of a gigantic, uh, SUV
1123
00:59:02,272 --> 00:59:03,808
that would, you know,
crush your neighbor,
1124
00:59:03,841 --> 00:59:05,375
that did get
a lot of attraction.
1125
00:59:05,409 --> 00:59:09,880
Basically, that tells us
what the '90s was about.
1126
00:59:09,914 --> 00:59:15,285
LESLEY STAHL:
What began as a $25,000
tax break grew to $100,000
1127
00:59:15,319 --> 00:59:20,157
when Congress passed
the President's economic
stimulus package last spring.
1128
00:59:20,190 --> 00:59:23,060
We think small businesses
need to have support
at this time
1129
00:59:23,093 --> 00:59:25,329
to keep them afloat,
to keep the economy
moving ahead.
1130
00:59:25,362 --> 00:59:28,198
But there's an encouragement
for the small business person,
1131
00:59:28,232 --> 00:59:30,067
not just to stay afloat,
but to go buy
1132
00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:31,902
the biggest gas guzzler
there is.
1133
00:59:31,936 --> 00:59:34,772
The 6,000-pound car,
the biggest.
1134
00:59:34,805 --> 00:59:36,573
Does that make sense?
1135
00:59:36,607 --> 00:59:40,144
I--I don't think
we can-- we can dictate
what vehicles people buy.
1136
00:59:40,177 --> 00:59:42,179
I think the goal here is...
This is encouraging them.
1137
00:59:42,212 --> 00:59:44,849
I mean, you can almost
buy the whole car
for the tax break.
1138
00:59:44,882 --> 00:59:47,284
Well, I-- I'm not
gonna concede that
1139
00:59:47,317 --> 00:59:49,754
that would be the way
these would be used
or that...
1140
00:59:49,787 --> 00:59:51,822
Well,
there's some evidence that
is how they're being used.
1141
00:59:51,856 --> 00:59:54,358
Well, I don't know.
We'll have to wait
and see what--what happens.
1142
00:59:56,961 --> 01:00:01,565
* My Maserati does 185
1143
01:00:01,598 --> 01:00:04,001
* I lost my license
1144
01:00:04,034 --> 01:00:06,336
* Now I don't drive
1145
01:00:06,370 --> 01:00:10,908
* Lucky I'm sane
after all I've been through
1146
01:00:10,941 --> 01:00:14,244
* I'm cool
1147
01:00:14,278 --> 01:00:16,513
* He's cool
1148
01:00:16,546 --> 01:00:20,885
* I can't complain
but sometimes I still do
1149
01:00:20,918 --> 01:00:25,690
* Life's been good to me
so far *
1150
01:00:33,297 --> 01:00:37,267
I don't want to see Hummers
driven off the market
by the government.
1151
01:00:37,301 --> 01:00:41,872
I--I want to see
everything given
a--a level, equal chance.
1152
01:00:41,906 --> 01:00:43,874
The thing that
bothers me is that--that,
1153
01:00:43,908 --> 01:00:45,976
in fact, it's not a level,
equal chance.
1154
01:00:46,010 --> 01:00:48,679
We're using our military
to ensure the flow of oil.
1155
01:00:48,713 --> 01:00:52,950
We-- We're using tax dollars
to support the car companies
in different ways,
1156
01:00:52,983 --> 01:00:55,853
and we're not using
our--our t-tax money
1157
01:00:55,886 --> 01:00:57,722
to do the things
that we really need to do
1158
01:00:57,755 --> 01:00:59,690
to prepare for the future.
1159
01:01:05,329 --> 01:01:10,400
SHEEN: Federal policy
has always had tremendous
power to shape the future.
1160
01:01:10,434 --> 01:01:13,938
As it gave enormous incentives
to buy SUVs,
1161
01:01:13,971 --> 01:01:19,109
the federal government
also sued California
to stop the electric car.
1162
01:01:19,143 --> 01:01:24,581
Some pointed
to the influence of
the oil and auto industries.
1163
01:01:24,614 --> 01:01:27,451
FREEMAN: They control
things in Washington,
1164
01:01:27,484 --> 01:01:29,519
they and the automobile
industry.
1165
01:01:29,553 --> 01:01:31,521
Now they've got Andy Card,
1166
01:01:31,555 --> 01:01:35,459
their former lobbyist
right there as Chief of Staff
in the White House.
1167
01:01:35,492 --> 01:01:38,495
And I guess they don't
have to pay lobbyists
anymore.
1168
01:01:38,528 --> 01:01:40,731
Uh, so, they're saving
a little money there.
1169
01:01:40,765 --> 01:01:42,666
SHEEN: Andrew Card
was Chief of Staff
1170
01:01:42,699 --> 01:01:46,771
when the Bush
administration joined
the suit against California.
1171
01:01:46,804 --> 01:01:49,439
Card had also been
president and CEO
1172
01:01:49,473 --> 01:01:53,077
of the American Automobile
Manufacturers Association
1173
01:01:53,110 --> 01:01:57,748
during its campaign
to kill California's
electric car mandate.
1174
01:01:57,782 --> 01:02:02,252
Industries began to see
if we don't kill this cancer
in California,
1175
01:02:02,286 --> 01:02:04,388
it's going to spread
to the rest of the country.
1176
01:02:04,421 --> 01:02:08,859
And I think it became
a strategy, um, on the part
of many companies
1177
01:02:08,893 --> 01:02:11,195
to--to make it
a national issue.
1178
01:02:11,228 --> 01:02:13,864
I was even told once
by a very prominent
congressman,
1179
01:02:13,898 --> 01:02:15,732
who I shall not
mention by name,
1180
01:02:15,766 --> 01:02:18,202
that, "I can understand
and tolerate
1181
01:02:18,235 --> 01:02:20,437
"uh, what you're doing
in California,
1182
01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:24,474
"but if you ever try to spread
your California program
1183
01:02:24,508 --> 01:02:29,246
"to the rest of my country,
I'm going to have to do
battle with you."
1184
01:02:29,279 --> 01:02:32,449
Sometimes I listen
to the energy debate,
1185
01:02:32,482 --> 01:02:35,185
and I think I'm watching
an old movie,
1186
01:02:35,219 --> 01:02:37,587
uh, that was made
back in the '70s.
1187
01:02:37,621 --> 01:02:44,494
Because the discussion
is exactly the same
as it was 30 years ago.
1188
01:02:44,528 --> 01:02:47,998
JOSEPH ROMM:
Our average vehicle,
average car on the road,
1189
01:02:48,032 --> 01:02:50,567
is less efficient
than it was 20 years ago.
1190
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,170
And this is just a complete
abdication of leadership.
1191
01:02:53,203 --> 01:02:55,405
Political leadership, really.
1192
01:02:55,439 --> 01:02:58,909
Uh, because it's impossible
to get fuel economy standards
1193
01:02:58,943 --> 01:03:00,811
passed through
the US Congress.
1194
01:03:02,512 --> 01:03:05,782
SHEEN: After the OPEC
oil embargo in the 1970s,
1195
01:03:05,816 --> 01:03:09,586
the US government created
Corporate Average
Fuel Economy,
1196
01:03:09,619 --> 01:03:14,859
or CAFE standards,
to improve fuel economy
in American vehicles.
1197
01:03:14,892 --> 01:03:17,361
As a result,
in less than 10 years
1198
01:03:17,394 --> 01:03:21,498
fuel economy increased
by more than 50%.
1199
01:03:21,531 --> 01:03:23,868
Unfortunately,
two decades later
1200
01:03:23,901 --> 01:03:26,003
there has been
virtually no change.
1201
01:03:26,036 --> 01:03:28,272
Jimmy Carter
was the last president
1202
01:03:28,305 --> 01:03:32,910
that really made, uh,
energy, uh, a high priority.
1203
01:03:32,943 --> 01:03:35,379
And he devoted
his first 90 days in office
1204
01:03:35,412 --> 01:03:37,915
to putting together
an energy plan.
1205
01:03:37,948 --> 01:03:40,084
Uh, I was there
as part of it.
1206
01:03:40,117 --> 01:03:44,021
And no president
since then has put
that kind of effort into it.
1207
01:03:44,054 --> 01:03:46,356
I am tonight
setting a clear goal
1208
01:03:46,390 --> 01:03:50,060
for the energy policy
of the United States.
1209
01:03:50,094 --> 01:03:54,198
Beginning this moment,
this nation will never use
1210
01:03:54,231 --> 01:03:59,937
more foreign oil
than we did in 1977.
Never.
1211
01:04:08,478 --> 01:04:12,316
FREEMAN: There was
just a radical change
when Ronald Reagan came in
1212
01:04:12,349 --> 01:04:17,487
and took down the solar panels
off the White House roof
that Jimmy had put up
1213
01:04:17,521 --> 01:04:20,424
and essentially declared
war on the sun.
1214
01:04:20,457 --> 01:04:25,062
I put a freeze
on pending regulations
and set up a task force
1215
01:04:25,095 --> 01:04:27,797
under Vice President Bush
to review regulations
1216
01:04:27,831 --> 01:04:30,700
with an eye toward
getting rid of as
many as possible.
1217
01:04:30,734 --> 01:04:35,005
I have decontrolled oil
which should result
in more domestic production
1218
01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:37,007
and less dependence
on foreign oil.
1219
01:04:37,041 --> 01:04:40,810
When Reagan came in,
he was not a supporter
of fuel economy,
1220
01:04:40,844 --> 01:04:43,413
of conservation,
of renewables.
1221
01:04:43,447 --> 01:04:47,351
And in the mid 1980s,
he basically stopped
any improvements
1222
01:04:47,384 --> 01:04:49,686
in fuel economy standard
for cars.
1223
01:04:49,719 --> 01:04:52,990
And then in 1985,
the price of oil collapsed.
1224
01:04:53,023 --> 01:04:55,492
I would not lay
all of the blame
1225
01:04:55,525 --> 01:04:57,494
at Ronald Reagan's feet,
by any means.
1226
01:04:57,527 --> 01:05:02,199
Um, I think he had his
share of responsibility,
but so did the Saudis
1227
01:05:02,232 --> 01:05:06,236
who made the very
calculating decision
1228
01:05:06,270 --> 01:05:09,173
to drop the price
of oil dramatically,
1229
01:05:09,206 --> 01:05:13,343
principally,
to ensure that none
of these alternative fuels
1230
01:05:13,377 --> 01:05:17,014
and--and energy-saving
measures
1231
01:05:17,047 --> 01:05:20,985
really produced
the desired results.
1232
01:05:21,018 --> 01:05:25,689
So they kept
the junkie hooked up,
in other words.
1233
01:05:25,722 --> 01:05:31,661
And as a result,
we are today
still addicted to oil.
1234
01:05:33,330 --> 01:05:35,865
When Clinton came in,
and I worked for Clinton,
1235
01:05:35,899 --> 01:05:37,534
we were definitely
quite interested
1236
01:05:37,567 --> 01:05:40,404
in trying to, uh,
come up with alternatives
1237
01:05:40,437 --> 01:05:42,506
and--and improve
the fuel economy, the fleet.
1238
01:05:42,539 --> 01:05:45,509
Politically, it was
still very unattractive.
1239
01:05:45,542 --> 01:05:48,012
The automobile lobby
was quite powerful then,
1240
01:05:48,045 --> 01:05:49,746
so the administration
kind of made
1241
01:05:49,779 --> 01:05:51,748
a bargain
with the automobile companies,
1242
01:05:51,781 --> 01:05:54,484
this partnership for a new
generation of vehicles
1243
01:05:54,518 --> 01:05:56,553
where we would
develop hybrid vehicles,
1244
01:05:56,586 --> 01:05:59,956
a combination
of a gasoline engine
and an electric drive train.
1245
01:05:59,990 --> 01:06:04,128
In return,
we wouldn't really pursue
fuel economy standards.
1246
01:06:04,161 --> 01:06:06,363
I never met
a five-year-old kid
like this in my life.
1247
01:06:06,396 --> 01:06:07,731
When I shook hands
with him, he said,
1248
01:06:07,764 --> 01:06:09,933
"I'm glad to meet you,
Mr. President.
1249
01:06:09,966 --> 01:06:14,704
"I want you to make a car
that runs on electricity
and doesn't pollute the air."
1250
01:06:14,738 --> 01:06:16,706
I was so impressed,
I went to get Al Gore,
1251
01:06:16,740 --> 01:06:18,708
and I introduced him
to this five-year-old boy.
1252
01:06:18,742 --> 01:06:21,111
And he said,
"Hello, Mr. Vice President.
1253
01:06:21,145 --> 01:06:23,480
"I intend to spend
my life working on this."
1254
01:06:23,513 --> 01:06:26,716
And he said,
"I am going to help you
develop an electric car
1255
01:06:26,750 --> 01:06:28,518
"that has no pollution."
1256
01:06:28,552 --> 01:06:31,655
And he, Al Gore says,
"That means we're
gonna be partners."
1257
01:06:31,688 --> 01:06:33,357
He said, "Yes, I guess so.
1258
01:06:33,390 --> 01:06:36,493
"But you don't understand.
I'm going to spend
my whole life on this."
1259
01:06:36,526 --> 01:06:38,128
(CROWD LAUGHING)
1260
01:06:40,497 --> 01:06:45,169
For 8-9 years, we've spent
about a billion dollars
of the taxpayers' money
1261
01:06:45,202 --> 01:06:47,571
to develop hybrid vehicles.
1262
01:06:47,604 --> 01:06:50,574
And ironically,
the US car companies
1263
01:06:50,607 --> 01:06:52,676
didn't put any hybrids
on the road.
1264
01:06:52,709 --> 01:06:55,412
And in fact,
the minute George Bush
got elected President,
1265
01:06:55,445 --> 01:06:58,048
the US car companies
walked away from hybrids.
1266
01:06:58,082 --> 01:07:00,450
But, and this is the irony,
1267
01:07:00,484 --> 01:07:03,753
the US program
got the Japanese very nervous.
1268
01:07:03,787 --> 01:07:08,358
So Toyota and Honda,
in response,
developed hybrids,
1269
01:07:08,392 --> 01:07:11,161
'cause they didn't wanna
be beaten by the US.
1270
01:07:16,733 --> 01:07:20,870
Now, they lure
people into thinking
they're doing something
1271
01:07:20,904 --> 01:07:22,706
by their sweet talk,
1272
01:07:22,739 --> 01:07:26,610
but I remember
way back yonder,
they used to have this joke.
1273
01:07:26,643 --> 01:07:28,512
And it's not a joke, anymore.
1274
01:07:28,545 --> 01:07:30,247
We're giving
the environmentalists
the music,
1275
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,182
and the industry the action.
1276
01:07:32,216 --> 01:07:35,385
The second step
toward making America
less dependent on foreign oil
1277
01:07:35,419 --> 01:07:38,322
is to produce and refine
more crude oil here at home
1278
01:07:38,355 --> 01:07:42,392
in environmentally
sensitive ways.
1279
01:07:42,426 --> 01:07:44,728
By far the most promising
site for oil in America
1280
01:07:44,761 --> 01:07:48,298
is the Arctic National
Wildlife Refuge in Alaska.
1281
01:07:53,503 --> 01:07:57,841
SHEEN: While it is predicted
that the Arctic National
Wildlife Refuge
1282
01:07:57,874 --> 01:08:00,544
could supply America
with slightly more
1283
01:08:00,577 --> 01:08:02,646
than one year's
supply of oil,
1284
01:08:02,679 --> 01:08:07,451
simply raising
fuel economy standards
to 40 miles per gallon
1285
01:08:07,484 --> 01:08:11,721
could save the same amount
of fuel within 15 years.
1286
01:08:19,596 --> 01:08:25,502
FREEMAN: The oil industry
and the automobile companies
are resistant to change.
1287
01:08:25,535 --> 01:08:27,771
The American people
need to be reminded
1288
01:08:27,804 --> 01:08:30,507
that it took a law
to get seatbelts
in the cars.
1289
01:08:30,540 --> 01:08:32,809
It took a law to get
airbags in the cars.
1290
01:08:32,842 --> 01:08:35,212
It took a law
to get the mileage up
1291
01:08:35,245 --> 01:08:37,181
from 12 to 20 miles
per gallon.
1292
01:08:37,214 --> 01:08:41,084
It took a law to get
catalytic converters
to control the pollution.
1293
01:08:41,117 --> 01:08:45,755
And I think clean cars
are too important to be left
to the automobile industry.
1294
01:08:52,562 --> 01:08:57,634
SHEEN: The California mandate
forced automakers to make
electric cars.
1295
01:08:57,667 --> 01:09:01,771
When California changed it,
the cars vanished.
1296
01:09:01,805 --> 01:09:06,075
Why did California retreat
from the bold law it created?
1297
01:09:06,109 --> 01:09:09,746
Uh, having visited all
the car companies,
they were saying,
1298
01:09:09,779 --> 01:09:13,617
"Well, look, we can't produce
these increasing numbers
1299
01:09:13,650 --> 01:09:15,652
"of the battery
electric vehicles."
1300
01:09:15,685 --> 01:09:18,322
And I became
convinced that...
1301
01:09:18,355 --> 01:09:21,725
What are we
supposed to do here?
Is our job to clean the air?
1302
01:09:21,758 --> 01:09:24,761
Or is it to force
a certain number
1303
01:09:24,794 --> 01:09:27,797
of a type of technology
on the road?
1304
01:09:27,831 --> 01:09:32,236
ALEC BROOKS: Alan Lloyd, uh,
failed in his leadership
to--to really steer
1305
01:09:32,269 --> 01:09:35,905
the Zero Emission
Vehicle Mandate toward
a--a successful outcome.
1306
01:09:35,939 --> 01:09:37,641
Oh, I know Alec very well.
WOMAN: And, you know...
1307
01:09:37,674 --> 01:09:40,009
I know Alec very well.
And we had some...
1308
01:09:40,043 --> 01:09:43,747
We had some, uh, heartfelt,
uh, m-memos going back
and forth.
1309
01:09:43,780 --> 01:09:47,617
And it pained me,
because I have
the utmost respect for Alec.
1310
01:09:47,651 --> 01:09:52,088
And it really pained me
to be--be, uh, accused
1311
01:09:52,121 --> 01:09:55,492
of, uh, basically abandoning,
uh, the battery electrics.
1312
01:09:55,525 --> 01:09:59,496
SHEEN: In addition
to his role as Chairman
of the Air Resources Board,
1313
01:09:59,529 --> 01:10:01,598
Alan Lloyd had
another position.
1314
01:10:01,631 --> 01:10:06,135
Just four months
before the meeting
that killed the electric car,
1315
01:10:06,169 --> 01:10:08,037
Lloyd accepted
the chairmanship
1316
01:10:08,071 --> 01:10:11,675
of the California
Fuel Cell Partnership.
1317
01:10:11,708 --> 01:10:14,110
LLOYD: I've been
involved with hydrogen
since the early '90s.
1318
01:10:14,143 --> 01:10:18,948
When I became chair
of ARB 10 years later,
I knew a lot about hydrogen.
1319
01:10:18,982 --> 01:10:22,852
So for me,
I'm very much fact,
technology-driven.
1320
01:10:22,886 --> 01:10:25,322
And so maybe
you could say
that's an asset
1321
01:10:25,355 --> 01:10:26,823
or a handicap
in terms of hydrogen,
1322
01:10:26,856 --> 01:10:29,826
because I--I--I knew
what--what--what
could be done.
1323
01:10:38,234 --> 01:10:41,004
Excuse me here while
I watch my little baby
get off here.
1324
01:10:41,037 --> 01:10:43,507
SHEEN: Carmakers
convinced California
1325
01:10:43,540 --> 01:10:45,709
that the facts
supported the development
1326
01:10:45,742 --> 01:10:48,678
of hydrogen
fuel cell vehicles.
1327
01:10:48,712 --> 01:10:51,581
Were they a better
option than electric cars?
1328
01:10:51,615 --> 01:10:55,985
Toyota's National Manager
of Advanced Technologies,
Bill Reinert,
1329
01:10:56,019 --> 01:11:00,924
took their prototype
hydrogen fuel cell SUV
on a press tour.
1330
01:11:00,957 --> 01:11:03,827
One of our customers
really didn't like this car
1331
01:11:03,860 --> 01:11:06,162
anywhere near
as much as his EV1.
1332
01:11:06,195 --> 01:11:11,200
And the reason was not
because it had anything
b-bad about the car,
1333
01:11:11,234 --> 01:11:12,702
the reason was because
his EV1,
1334
01:11:12,736 --> 01:11:15,104
he could charge it at home,
charge it at work,
1335
01:11:15,138 --> 01:11:17,974
and even though
it provided limited range,
1336
01:11:18,007 --> 01:11:21,645
uh, he didn't have
to worry about getting
his car charged up.
1337
01:11:21,678 --> 01:11:23,747
With this car,
with the limited access
1338
01:11:23,780 --> 01:11:25,415
to a hydrogen
filling station,
1339
01:11:25,449 --> 01:11:27,150
he said he'd spend
his whole day planning
1340
01:11:27,183 --> 01:11:29,486
on how to get
hydrogen in the car
and how to get back.
1341
01:11:29,519 --> 01:11:31,054
It's really humbling.
It's-- It's...
1342
01:11:31,087 --> 01:11:33,557
The--The more you know,
the more you r-realize
1343
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:37,527
you really don't know
what the issues are
gonna be going forward.
1344
01:11:37,561 --> 01:11:39,195
The number one
worst question is,
1345
01:11:39,228 --> 01:11:42,532
"When can...
When will that
be on the market?"
1346
01:11:42,566 --> 01:11:44,067
When will that
be on the market?
1347
01:11:44,100 --> 01:11:46,202
That-- That's the worst
question.
1348
01:11:46,235 --> 01:11:49,506
Consumers are probably
going to want to know
how long it would be
1349
01:11:49,539 --> 01:11:51,074
for this to be mass-produced.
1350
01:11:51,107 --> 01:11:52,742
REINERT: That's quite
a ways off.
1351
01:11:52,776 --> 01:11:54,177
We've got some
real technical issues
1352
01:11:54,210 --> 01:11:55,945
we've got to solve
with hydrogen storage,
1353
01:11:55,979 --> 01:11:57,947
with durability,
with cost reduction.
1354
01:11:57,981 --> 01:12:00,517
Is it a practical
solution at this point?
1355
01:12:00,550 --> 01:12:02,352
The cars have
a limited range,
1356
01:12:02,386 --> 01:12:04,888
the durability
of the cars isn't very good
1357
01:12:04,921 --> 01:12:06,923
and the, uh...
Let me see, what else?
1358
01:12:06,956 --> 01:12:08,892
Oh, they don't do well
in cold weather.
1359
01:12:08,925 --> 01:12:10,994
Other than that,
they're great.
1360
01:12:11,027 --> 01:12:12,962
Have you ever been
to a dog race?
1361
01:12:12,996 --> 01:12:15,865
You know there's
the mechanical rabbit
that's out in front,
1362
01:12:15,899 --> 01:12:18,001
and the dogs
never quite reach it.
1363
01:12:18,034 --> 01:12:22,439
Well, the fuel cell
is the equivalent
of that mechanical rabbit.
1364
01:12:22,472 --> 01:12:23,840
We're going for it.
1365
01:12:23,873 --> 01:12:26,309
For the last 15 years
they've been telling us
1366
01:12:26,342 --> 01:12:30,113
the fuel cells
are 10 to 15 years off.
1367
01:12:30,146 --> 01:12:33,983
RIPPEL: You're an oil company.
Your business is to be selling
a fuel.
1368
01:12:34,017 --> 01:12:36,720
They think that it's
a long time off, 30 years,
1369
01:12:36,753 --> 01:12:38,388
uh, and they want
to have a product
to sell.
1370
01:12:38,422 --> 01:12:40,557
So from that point,
they're protecting themselves,
1371
01:12:40,590 --> 01:12:44,394
but the other side
is they're protecting
the status quo.
1372
01:12:44,428 --> 01:12:46,730
We see in Scientific American
1373
01:12:46,763 --> 01:12:50,767
a--a double-page ad
by General Motors
and Shell, both,
1374
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,302
touting both the fuel cell
that General Motors is doing
1375
01:12:53,336 --> 01:12:56,640
and also Shell as a potential
supplier of hydrogen.
1376
01:12:59,576 --> 01:13:04,347
If hydrogen can do
a better job as an energy
carrier than electricity,
1377
01:13:04,380 --> 01:13:08,918
then, by gosh,
it should be the--
the carrier of choice.
1378
01:13:08,952 --> 01:13:11,120
The problem is,
it's not even close.
1379
01:13:11,154 --> 01:13:14,023
How far will this car ride
on that amount of fuel?
1380
01:13:14,057 --> 01:13:19,195
Uh, it gets approximately
about, uh, maybe, about
100-125 miles.
1381
01:13:19,228 --> 01:13:21,865
Good. Interesting.
1382
01:13:21,898 --> 01:13:26,102
SHEEN: A fuel cell car
powered by hydrogen,
made with electricity,
1383
01:13:26,135 --> 01:13:29,005
uses three to four
times more energy
1384
01:13:29,038 --> 01:13:32,041
than a car
powered by batteries.
1385
01:13:32,075 --> 01:13:34,844
This is the beginning
of some fantastic technology,
1386
01:13:34,878 --> 01:13:37,213
and, uh, thanks
for having us out here.
1387
01:13:37,246 --> 01:13:39,716
We're gonna look at some
other vehicles in a minute,
1388
01:13:39,749 --> 01:13:43,953
but, uh, you know hydrogen
is the wave of the future.
1389
01:13:43,987 --> 01:13:47,323
ROMM: Today, there's a lot of
enthusiasm for hydrogen cars.
1390
01:13:47,356 --> 01:13:50,560
But, you know,
I wrote a whole book,
The Hype About Hydrogen.
1391
01:13:50,594 --> 01:13:52,829
I think it's pretty
clear that hydrogen
1392
01:13:52,862 --> 01:13:55,632
is a much tougher
alternative fuel
1393
01:13:55,665 --> 01:13:58,267
than any other
alternative fuel
we've ever pursued.
1394
01:13:58,301 --> 01:14:00,303
So, these are the five
miracles that you need
1395
01:14:00,336 --> 01:14:02,572
for a successful hydrogen car
in the marketplace.
1396
01:14:02,606 --> 01:14:06,309
First,
your average hydrogen car
costs a million dollars.
1397
01:14:06,342 --> 01:14:08,111
That's gotta drop.
1398
01:14:08,144 --> 01:14:11,948
Second, uh, no known
material to humankind
1399
01:14:11,981 --> 01:14:13,517
can store enough
hydrogen onboard the car
1400
01:14:13,550 --> 01:14:15,218
to give you the range
people want.
1401
01:14:15,251 --> 01:14:19,856
Miracle number three
is the fuel is wildly
expensive.
1402
01:14:19,889 --> 01:14:22,025
Even hydrogen
from dirty fossil fuels
1403
01:14:22,058 --> 01:14:24,928
is 2 or 3 times
more expensive
than gasoline.
1404
01:14:24,961 --> 01:14:28,698
Fourth, you have to have
the fueling infrastructure.
1405
01:14:28,732 --> 01:14:31,034
You know,
we have 180,000 gas stations.
1406
01:14:31,067 --> 01:14:32,636
Someone's gonna
have to build at least
1407
01:14:32,669 --> 01:14:34,771
10,000 or 20,000
hydrogen fueling stations
1408
01:14:34,804 --> 01:14:37,106
before anybody
is gonna be very interested.
1409
01:14:37,140 --> 01:14:39,743
And miracle five
is you have to hope and pray
1410
01:14:39,776 --> 01:14:43,513
that the competitors
in the marketplace
don't get any better,
1411
01:14:43,547 --> 01:14:47,250
because right now,
uh, the best car
in the marketplace
1412
01:14:47,283 --> 01:14:49,519
just got a lot better,
the hybrid vehicle.
1413
01:14:49,553 --> 01:14:52,221
Still runs on gasoline,
you can fuel it everywhere,
1414
01:14:52,255 --> 01:14:54,390
it has twice the range
of a regular car.
1415
01:14:54,423 --> 01:14:57,561
SHEEN: Current hybrid
vehicles depend on gasoline,
1416
01:14:57,594 --> 01:15:01,531
but use an electric motor
to increase their fuel
economy.
1417
01:15:01,565 --> 01:15:06,202
ROMM: And if battery
technology keeps getting
steadily better,
1418
01:15:06,235 --> 01:15:10,807
then the best hybrid
and then plug-in hybrid
in the year 2020
1419
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:15,879
will be vastly superior
to the best hydrogen car.
1420
01:15:15,912 --> 01:15:17,280
You guys have filmed me
long enough
1421
01:15:17,313 --> 01:15:19,348
to know that, you know,
I like to hear myself talk,
1422
01:15:19,382 --> 01:15:22,552
number one, and number two,
that I'm not gonna dance
around the issue.
1423
01:15:22,586 --> 01:15:26,255
And--And-- this could be
a long ways out
into the future.
1424
01:15:28,792 --> 01:15:31,427
Toyota says, "Fuel cell cars,
30 years away." Okay.
1425
01:15:31,460 --> 01:15:34,898
Then I get
the calls from the DOE
and the State of California
1426
01:15:34,931 --> 01:15:36,232
and, "What in the hell
you doing?"
1427
01:15:36,265 --> 01:15:38,401
And all the other
fuel cell manufacturers,
1428
01:15:38,434 --> 01:15:42,405
"You know we're trying
to make a living here
and you're saying this."
1429
01:15:42,438 --> 01:15:44,608
Oh, it's awful.
1430
01:15:44,641 --> 01:15:47,644
Just because a lot of
people want it to work,
it's no guarantee.
1431
01:15:47,677 --> 01:15:50,780
That's Disneyland, you know.
Wishing makes it come true.
1432
01:15:50,814 --> 01:15:53,216
So, um, I don't work
in Disneyland.
1433
01:15:53,249 --> 01:15:55,752
I work in the real world
where wishing
doesn't make it come true,
1434
01:15:55,785 --> 01:16:00,123
and you really gotta work
hard to make it come true.
Hopefully we do.
1435
01:16:06,996 --> 01:16:09,265
SHEEN: On the 27th day
of their vigil,
1436
01:16:09,298 --> 01:16:12,335
activists finally
heard from GM.
1437
01:16:21,344 --> 01:16:23,279
Paul Scott calls,
"Are you guys busy?
1438
01:16:23,312 --> 01:16:25,581
"They're-- They're-- They-re
calling in the cars right now.
1439
01:16:25,615 --> 01:16:28,251
"GM is loading the cars
on trucks right now!"
1440
01:16:28,284 --> 01:16:29,585
We're like, "What? What?
1441
01:16:29,619 --> 01:16:30,820
"Well, yeah,
we'll drop everything
1442
01:16:30,854 --> 01:16:32,722
"and run on down there
right now."
1443
01:16:32,756 --> 01:16:34,590
A media blast is going on
out there.
1444
01:16:34,624 --> 01:16:36,292
Okay.
1445
01:16:37,426 --> 01:16:39,729
Both are closed.
1446
01:16:39,763 --> 01:16:41,330
They loaded them up,
you know,
1447
01:16:41,364 --> 01:16:44,668
tires screeching
and panels cracking
against each other
1448
01:16:44,701 --> 01:16:47,070
as they shoved them
onto the trucks.
1449
01:16:51,574 --> 01:16:53,843
FREEMAN: We're up against most
of the money in the world.
1450
01:16:53,877 --> 01:16:57,380
We're up against
the oil industry,
the automobile industry.
1451
01:16:57,413 --> 01:17:02,652
It's David versus Goliath
in a very big way,
1452
01:17:02,686 --> 01:17:06,389
but if there are enough
David's in the world,
we can win.
1453
01:17:06,422 --> 01:17:11,394
* Forever
1454
01:17:14,397 --> 01:17:16,332
GM, shame on you!
1455
01:17:17,433 --> 01:17:19,302
(SHOUTING)
1456
01:17:19,335 --> 01:17:23,873
General Motors is sneaking
the EV1s out of here,
1457
01:17:23,907 --> 01:17:25,274
destroying them,
1458
01:17:25,308 --> 01:17:27,677
doing the work
of the oil companies.
1459
01:17:28,812 --> 01:17:30,313
And what we're
gonna ask you guys
1460
01:17:30,346 --> 01:17:32,115
is just to give us maybe,
just to the grass here.
1461
01:17:32,148 --> 01:17:34,250
If you could just get out
of the driveway for us,
1462
01:17:34,283 --> 01:17:37,787
so that we don't have to put
any hands on anybody.
Thank you.
1463
01:18:01,711 --> 01:18:03,747
Don't crush the EV1.
1464
01:18:18,962 --> 01:18:22,065
SHEEN: On March 15th, 2005,
1465
01:18:22,098 --> 01:18:25,134
the last EV1s
in the Burbank lot
1466
01:18:25,168 --> 01:18:27,804
were taken away
and destroyed.
1467
01:19:34,971 --> 01:19:36,572
All right, well, come on in.
Cool.
1468
01:19:36,605 --> 01:19:39,442
We'll go down to the vault,
and I'll show you the car.
1469
01:19:39,475 --> 01:19:40,509
(EXCLAIMING)
1470
01:19:40,543 --> 01:19:42,578
I miss this little car.
1471
01:19:42,611 --> 01:19:44,881
Yeah. We love having it.
1472
01:19:44,914 --> 01:19:46,415
We have a number
of electric vehicles
1473
01:19:46,449 --> 01:19:48,084
in the collection
and hybrids,
1474
01:19:48,117 --> 01:19:51,554
but we're especially
happy about this.
1475
01:19:51,587 --> 01:19:54,590
This is the special one.
1476
01:19:54,623 --> 01:19:55,925
There she is.
1477
01:19:55,959 --> 01:19:57,526
My baby!
1478
01:20:02,631 --> 01:20:03,833
Number 99.
1479
01:20:03,867 --> 01:20:05,568
(KENDALL CHUCKLING)
1480
01:20:05,601 --> 01:20:06,836
You might recognize
this car.
1481
01:20:06,870 --> 01:20:08,471
I do. It was Chris' car.
1482
01:20:08,504 --> 01:20:09,805
Sure was.
1483
01:20:11,574 --> 01:20:13,209
Please, have a seat.
1484
01:20:13,242 --> 01:20:15,611
There's only one challenge.
It doesn't start up.
1485
01:20:15,644 --> 01:20:17,313
(LAUGHING)
1486
01:20:17,346 --> 01:20:20,383
Well, you know that, um,
General Motors disabled them.
1487
01:20:20,416 --> 01:20:22,518
I know.
We wish they didn't,
but they had to.
1488
01:20:22,551 --> 01:20:24,854
So, we understand that.
We're just happy to have it.
1489
01:20:24,888 --> 01:20:26,389
Yeah.
1490
01:20:26,422 --> 01:20:28,424
It is such an important part
of automotive history.
1491
01:20:28,457 --> 01:20:30,493
It is. Except...
To have it manufactured
1492
01:20:30,526 --> 01:20:33,096
by General Motors...
Participate in this program.
It's wonderful.
1493
01:20:33,129 --> 01:20:36,565
The thing is it shouldn't
be a part of automotive
history.
1494
01:20:53,016 --> 01:20:56,920
Ever since 1939,
they would dangle
this electric car.
1495
01:20:56,953 --> 01:20:58,587
They'd have a few
models out there.
1496
01:20:58,621 --> 01:21:00,890
They'd say there's something
in another few years.
1497
01:21:00,924 --> 01:21:03,659
And it never came
because they never
intended it to come.
1498
01:21:03,692 --> 01:21:06,996
They make too much money
with their technological
stagnation
1499
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:08,998
in the internal
combustion engine.
1500
01:21:12,568 --> 01:21:15,571
If something becomes scarce,
then there's economic
pressures
1501
01:21:15,604 --> 01:21:17,240
to find alternatives.
1502
01:21:17,273 --> 01:21:20,143
And as along
as no alternatives exist
1503
01:21:20,176 --> 01:21:23,913
the scarce item can become
increasingly profitable.
1504
01:21:27,583 --> 01:21:30,019
These are the same batteries
that are used
in your laptop computer.
1505
01:21:30,053 --> 01:21:32,488
We have 6,800 cells.
1506
01:21:32,521 --> 01:21:35,458
And it can go 300 miles
on one charge,
1507
01:21:35,491 --> 01:21:37,626
running about 70 miles
an hour.
1508
01:21:37,660 --> 01:21:41,397
Now it's zero to 60
in 3.6 seconds.
1509
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:43,132
So, it's a really
amazing performance
1510
01:21:43,166 --> 01:21:44,633
for any car,
not just an electric car.
1511
01:21:44,667 --> 01:21:46,402
Those same batteries could be
put in the EV1
1512
01:21:46,435 --> 01:21:49,405
and make it a 300-mile
range car very easily.
1513
01:21:49,438 --> 01:21:52,908
So, it's such a shame
seeing these cars destroyed
when you can upgrade them.
1514
01:21:55,544 --> 01:21:58,247
I know what I did
and why I did it.
1515
01:21:58,281 --> 01:22:01,617
And if I had to do
the same thing again
based on the data,
1516
01:22:01,650 --> 01:22:03,086
and I've seen
what's happened to date,
1517
01:22:03,119 --> 01:22:05,421
I would do exactly
the same thing.
1518
01:22:08,224 --> 01:22:10,593
For most Americans,
when you talk about
a sensible energy policy,
1519
01:22:10,626 --> 01:22:14,030
what most people hear is,
"You're gonna make me
drive a small car,
1520
01:22:14,063 --> 01:22:15,664
"you're gonna make me
keep my house cold,
1521
01:22:15,698 --> 01:22:19,368
"and essentially
you're gonna make me
live like a European."
1522
01:22:22,738 --> 01:22:24,640
It's a lack of leadership.
1523
01:22:24,673 --> 01:22:28,577
It's a lack of being able
to take on the oil industry
1524
01:22:28,611 --> 01:22:33,116
and the automobile industry
and recognize that
they are not Uncle Sam.
1525
01:22:33,149 --> 01:22:35,384
Uncle Sam has to be Uncle Sam,
1526
01:22:35,418 --> 01:22:38,521
and Uncle Sam is acting
like they're General Motors.
1527
01:22:41,690 --> 01:22:44,460
They are squandering
huge amounts of money
1528
01:22:44,493 --> 01:22:48,164
on hydrogen cars,
which by any
reasonable estimate
1529
01:22:48,197 --> 01:22:50,599
are not going to be selling
in the consumer market
1530
01:22:50,633 --> 01:22:52,835
for two decades
at the earliest.
1531
01:22:52,868 --> 01:22:55,838
And I think
it will go down as
one of the biggest blunders
1532
01:22:55,871 --> 01:22:58,741
in the history
of the automotive industry.
1533
01:23:02,745 --> 01:23:06,415
Have you never
heard that expression,
"Death by a million cuts"?
1534
01:23:06,449 --> 01:23:09,718
Little tiny cuts,
eventually someone
will bleed to death.
1535
01:23:12,621 --> 01:23:14,790
SHEEN: The fight over
electric cars was,
1536
01:23:14,823 --> 01:23:17,626
quite simply,
a fight about the future.
1537
01:23:18,827 --> 01:23:20,596
Goliath won this round,
1538
01:23:20,629 --> 01:23:23,866
but now Goliath
has new problems.
1539
01:23:23,899 --> 01:23:26,535
Oil prices have soared.
1540
01:23:26,569 --> 01:23:30,573
America is further entangled
in the Middle East,
1541
01:23:30,606 --> 01:23:34,477
and global warning
is an increasingly
serious threat.
1542
01:23:34,510 --> 01:23:37,146
What can we do
to reshape the future?
1543
01:23:37,180 --> 01:23:42,585
STANFORD OVSHINSKY: This city
is replete with famous names
that are no longer here.
1544
01:23:42,618 --> 01:23:46,389
Why? Because they couldn't
adapt to change.
1545
01:23:46,422 --> 01:23:48,691
We all have to
adapt to change.
1546
01:23:48,724 --> 01:23:52,295
Don't debate about
who's to blame or
what to blame.
1547
01:23:52,328 --> 01:23:54,230
Let's build new industries.
1548
01:23:54,263 --> 01:23:56,465
Let's make America
strong again.
1549
01:23:56,499 --> 01:24:01,003
SHEEN: Chelsea continues
her work with a new group
called Plug In America,
1550
01:24:01,036 --> 01:24:03,739
working with citizens
across the political spectrum
1551
01:24:03,772 --> 01:24:06,942
to promote an independent
energy future.
1552
01:24:06,975 --> 01:24:10,012
You know, I met Jim Woolsey
at an event,
and as it turns out
1553
01:24:10,045 --> 01:24:12,748
he was already a bit of a fan
of stuff that we were doing,
1554
01:24:12,781 --> 01:24:14,850
and he's come to work
with Plug In America.
1555
01:24:14,883 --> 01:24:16,619
That's one example
of the types
1556
01:24:16,652 --> 01:24:18,654
of relationships
that have to exist
1557
01:24:18,687 --> 01:24:20,823
in order to further
what we all want.
1558
01:24:20,856 --> 01:24:26,429
I've served in four,
uh, administrations in
the presidential appointments,
1559
01:24:26,462 --> 01:24:29,498
all in different
aspects of national security.
1560
01:24:29,532 --> 01:24:32,401
And the fact that
two thirds of the world's
proven reserves of oil
1561
01:24:32,435 --> 01:24:35,871
are in the Middle East,
and we're so dependent
on that part of the world,
1562
01:24:35,904 --> 01:24:39,074
is a very big
national security question.
1563
01:24:39,108 --> 01:24:40,676
Well, behind me
there are two things.
1564
01:24:40,709 --> 01:24:44,647
One is a Prius hybrid
gasoline-electric, uh, Toyota
1565
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:46,782
and an electrical substation.
1566
01:24:46,815 --> 01:24:48,917
Today they don't have much
to do with one another,
1567
01:24:48,951 --> 01:24:51,154
but there's a chance
that they might be able
1568
01:24:51,187 --> 01:24:53,922
to have something
to do with one another
in a positive way.
1569
01:24:53,956 --> 01:24:59,428
And that's where I think
the plug-in hybrid
is the natural next step,
1570
01:24:59,462 --> 01:25:01,997
and that is available
to us today.
1571
01:25:02,030 --> 01:25:04,533
HANSSEN: This is a plug-in
hybrid Prius,
1572
01:25:04,567 --> 01:25:08,871
which is a modification
to a normal Toyota Prius
1573
01:25:08,904 --> 01:25:10,973
that allows you to travel...
1574
01:25:11,006 --> 01:25:15,378
Which gives you up to 150,
180 miles per gallon
1575
01:25:15,411 --> 01:25:17,813
for the first 50
to 60 miles of the day.
1576
01:25:17,846 --> 01:25:21,417
We don't need an expensive
charging infrastructure
to use this car.
1577
01:25:21,450 --> 01:25:23,752
You can just plug it in
anywhere in your garage.
1578
01:25:23,786 --> 01:25:26,789
So we make
the environmentalists happy
because it's cleaner.
1579
01:25:26,822 --> 01:25:30,159
We make the, uh,
neo-conservatives happy
1580
01:25:30,193 --> 01:25:32,127
because it uses
less gasoline.
1581
01:25:32,161 --> 01:25:34,697
Well, everyone's happy
because it uses
less gasoline.
1582
01:25:34,730 --> 01:25:36,732
SHEEN: Plugging in
could go a long way
1583
01:25:36,765 --> 01:25:40,068
to reducing our dependence
on oil.
1584
01:25:40,102 --> 01:25:43,472
And generating
that electricity
with the wind and the sun
1585
01:25:43,506 --> 01:25:46,842
would create
even less pollution.
1586
01:25:46,875 --> 01:25:49,578
With his battery technology
in most hybrid cars,
1587
01:25:49,612 --> 01:25:55,284
Ovshinsky has also built
one of the largest thin-film
solar factories in the world.
1588
01:25:55,318 --> 01:25:58,221
This is just
an ordinary steel roof.
1589
01:25:59,555 --> 01:26:01,790
And this is with the adhesive.
1590
01:26:01,824 --> 01:26:05,194
You just put
the shingles down,
nail them down.
1591
01:26:05,228 --> 01:26:10,333
You're in there.
You've run your wires down.
Everything is plug and play.
1592
01:26:10,366 --> 01:26:14,537
Anybody who wants
to make a revolution
shouldn't grab a gun.
1593
01:26:14,570 --> 01:26:17,873
Just go and start
working like we do
1594
01:26:17,906 --> 01:26:21,444
to change the world
by using science
and technology.
1595
01:26:23,346 --> 01:26:25,214
I am so optimistic
about the future.
1596
01:26:25,248 --> 01:26:29,051
I mean, even given everything
that we've seen,
and all of the EV wars,
1597
01:26:29,084 --> 01:26:31,186
I remain an optimist.
1598
01:26:31,220 --> 01:26:33,889
NEIL: One of the things
that makes America work
1599
01:26:33,922 --> 01:26:38,627
is this rampant
grassroots agitation
1600
01:26:38,661 --> 01:26:41,364
for things that are new.
1601
01:26:41,397 --> 01:26:45,234
When you get
a coalition of that size
and that surprising character,
1602
01:26:45,268 --> 01:26:46,869
you get politicians'
attention.
1603
01:26:46,902 --> 01:26:49,104
And here we have
a serious problem,
1604
01:26:49,137 --> 01:26:51,206
America is addicted to oil.
1605
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:54,843
And I call all this
a potential coalition
between the tree huggers,
1606
01:26:54,877 --> 01:26:56,779
the do-gooders,
the sodbusters,
1607
01:26:56,812 --> 01:26:59,782
the cheap hawks
and the evangelicals.
1608
01:26:59,815 --> 01:27:02,251
That's a pretty
good size coalition.
1609
01:27:02,285 --> 01:27:04,487
We are about
to enter into a world
1610
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:08,624
that's truly renewable
and completely clean,
1611
01:27:08,657 --> 01:27:11,360
if we just have the willpower
to implement it.
1612
01:27:11,394 --> 01:27:13,696
Well, you don't have to wait
for major auto companies
to do it.
1613
01:27:13,729 --> 01:27:15,898
You can do it yourself,
like what I'm doing here.
1614
01:27:15,931 --> 01:27:18,834
Old cars, new cars,
doesn't really matter.
I can convert anything.
1615
01:27:18,867 --> 01:27:20,503
You haven't
seen anything yet.
1616
01:27:20,536 --> 01:27:22,204
The future is going to be
very bright in this area,
1617
01:27:22,237 --> 01:27:24,673
and the forces
are all pushing
in that direction,
1618
01:27:24,707 --> 01:27:27,976
both the economic
and technological forces.
1619
01:27:28,010 --> 01:27:29,978
So, you know,
once people see these things,
1620
01:27:30,012 --> 01:27:32,515
they say,
"Wow, I want to do this."
1621
01:27:32,548 --> 01:27:35,150
And so the word
is getting out.
1622
01:27:35,183 --> 01:27:38,354
STANFORD: That gives us hope.
1623
01:27:38,387 --> 01:27:40,723
Hope that we can
end up our lives
1624
01:27:40,756 --> 01:27:43,392
having achieved
what we set out to do.
1625
01:27:43,426 --> 01:27:44,993
And we have.
1626
01:27:45,027 --> 01:27:47,463
And you still have
so many more years
you want to do things.
1627
01:27:47,496 --> 01:27:48,897
I wouldn't have enough time.
1628
01:27:48,931 --> 01:27:52,034
I've-- I am shooting
without dice right now so...
1629
01:27:52,067 --> 01:27:55,938
* Who knows what tomorrow
will bring?
1630
01:27:55,971 --> 01:27:59,942
* Maybe sunshine
and maybe rain
1631
01:27:59,975 --> 01:28:03,746
* But as for me,
I'll wait and see
1632
01:28:03,779 --> 01:28:07,483
* And maybe it'll bring
my love to me
1633
01:28:07,516 --> 01:28:11,286
* Who knows, who knows
1634
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:14,990
* Who knows any better than I
1635
01:28:15,023 --> 01:28:19,127
* That it's she
who's keeping me alive
1636
01:28:19,161 --> 01:28:23,098
* Keeping the little girl
as my goal
1637
01:28:23,131 --> 01:28:27,436
* Makes my life worth living,
you know
1638
01:28:27,470 --> 01:28:30,973
* Another day, another day
1639
01:28:31,006 --> 01:28:35,778
* Just another day
I wanna live
1640
01:28:35,811 --> 01:28:39,848
* To share the love
that only she can give
1641
01:28:39,882 --> 01:28:43,952
* And if she don't
come on home
1642
01:28:43,986 --> 01:28:48,391
* I pray the Lord
will help me carry on
1643
01:28:48,424 --> 01:28:51,760
* Another day, another day
1644
01:28:51,794 --> 01:28:56,331
* Just another day
Oh, Lord
1645
01:29:13,482 --> 01:29:17,052
* Another day, another day
1646
01:29:17,085 --> 01:29:21,724
* Just another day
I wanna live
1647
01:29:21,757 --> 01:29:25,994
* To share the love
that only she can give
1648
01:29:26,028 --> 01:29:30,098
* And if she don't
come on home
1649
01:29:30,132 --> 01:29:34,570
* I pray the Lord
will help me carry on
1650
01:29:34,603 --> 01:29:38,340
* Another day, another day
1651
01:29:38,373 --> 01:29:43,111
* Just another day
Oh, Lord
1652
01:29:43,145 --> 01:29:47,182
* For who knows
what tomorrow will bring
1653
01:29:47,215 --> 01:29:51,386
* Maybe sunshine
and maybe rain
1654
01:29:51,420 --> 01:29:54,322
* But as for me,
I'll wait and see *
1655
01:29:54,356 --> 01:29:59,828
* Realize
1656
01:30:01,263 --> 01:30:06,702
* The greatest love
1657
01:30:09,304 --> 01:30:14,643
* We are
1658
01:30:16,111 --> 01:30:21,784
* The only ones
1659
01:30:24,186 --> 01:30:27,289
* We are
1660
01:30:27,322 --> 01:30:30,025
* So young
1661
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:35,531
* Nothing
1662
01:30:35,564 --> 01:30:41,069
* To fear
1663
01:30:41,103 --> 01:30:44,439
* This
1664
01:30:44,473 --> 01:30:51,614
* Is forevermore
1665
01:30:55,718 --> 01:31:02,390
* Realize
1666
01:31:02,424 --> 01:31:08,096
* The greatest love
1667
01:31:10,499 --> 01:31:13,569
* We are
1668
01:31:13,602 --> 01:31:16,739
* So young
1669
01:31:19,174 --> 01:31:25,814
* Nothing to fear
1670
01:31:27,382 --> 01:31:30,586
* Don't look down
1671
01:31:30,619 --> 01:31:32,621
* Do what you feel
1672
01:31:32,655 --> 01:31:35,991
* Feel how you move
1673
01:31:36,024 --> 01:31:39,227
* Don't look back
1674
01:31:39,261 --> 01:31:44,800
* We are alone
1675
01:31:57,479 --> 01:32:01,984
(WOMAN CONTINUES SINGING)
1676
01:32:15,063 --> 01:32:20,102
* We are so young
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