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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,390 --> 00:00:11,290 Things were moving fast. How is Jerry Jacobson doing this? That was the 2 00:00:11,290 --> 00:00:12,290 question mark. 3 00:00:13,190 --> 00:00:18,090 What we had to vet out is who was helping Jerry. Uncle Jerry was getting 4 00:00:18,090 --> 00:00:22,070 tickets and selling them to my brother, and then my brother would sell them to 5 00:00:22,070 --> 00:00:26,210 other people. He took this little small operation and made it huge. 6 00:00:26,940 --> 00:00:32,180 Before my husband was working the Monopoly fraud game, we had my son, 7 00:00:32,180 --> 00:00:36,200 Limbo. Even though I adored my husband, I found out he had a mistress on the 8 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:37,980 side. I was just so mad. 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,900 So I called Uncle Jerry, and he says, you married the wrong guy. 10 00:00:42,260 --> 00:00:43,600 He asked me to marry him. 11 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,180 The next day, Jerry's in the passenger seat. I'm driving. 12 00:00:48,380 --> 00:00:51,320 Frankie's crying. We took him out of his car seat, let him down. 13 00:00:51,580 --> 00:00:54,160 And a little teardrop came down my face. 14 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,560 I thought, I'm never going to get out of this. 15 00:01:14,540 --> 00:01:21,200 I don't know how to describe 16 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:22,360 Jerry Jacobson. 17 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,100 Jerry had a way about him. 18 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,160 You're either going to love him or you're going to hate him. There's no in 19 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:31,160 -between. 20 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:38,540 He could snap in a millisecond, and you don't even know why he snapped. 21 00:01:39,940 --> 00:01:42,480 My kids did not get along with him. 22 00:01:42,940 --> 00:01:46,620 He laid hands on him more times than I knew about. 23 00:01:49,060 --> 00:01:51,180 Jerry Jacobson was actually my stepfather. 24 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,760 Short views and a pretty bad temper. 25 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,800 The most vivid memory I have, we were in the basement. 26 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,860 I can't remember what the issue was. 27 00:02:04,060 --> 00:02:06,280 It seemed insignificant to me at the time. 28 00:02:06,900 --> 00:02:09,520 And Jerry just kind of lost it. 29 00:02:10,500 --> 00:02:15,320 He picked my brother up by the head and was, like, bouncing his head off the 30 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:20,620 wall. And I was in the room just kind of more scared and hoping it didn't turn 31 00:02:20,620 --> 00:02:22,600 towards me because I didn't understand it at the time. 32 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:29,720 I stepped in between them, and I told Michael, my oldest one, to run out the 33 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:30,720 front door. 34 00:02:31,740 --> 00:02:35,620 And I remember yelling out the front window, just run, Michael, run. 35 00:02:36,220 --> 00:02:39,140 And Michael was like nine at the time. 36 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,040 That was the reason we split up. 37 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,760 We didn't communicate after we split up. 38 00:02:48,020 --> 00:02:52,340 I was still a cop, but he would show up on my police calls. 39 00:02:53,050 --> 00:02:55,750 All of a sudden, I looked around, and there he is. 40 00:02:57,350 --> 00:03:00,330 Nobody knew how he knew where my police calls were. 41 00:03:01,130 --> 00:03:02,450 He was just there. 42 00:03:07,350 --> 00:03:09,430 He made people afraid of him. 43 00:03:11,290 --> 00:03:15,930 He had a .45, because that's what we carried in Hollywood, and was trading 44 00:03:15,930 --> 00:03:21,230 parts, and he told me this himself, because he was going to shoot me and 45 00:03:21,230 --> 00:03:22,390 put his gun back together. 46 00:03:22,940 --> 00:03:27,260 So that if they ran ballistics on it, it wouldn't show that the bullet came from 47 00:03:27,260 --> 00:03:28,260 that gun. 48 00:03:30,580 --> 00:03:32,380 He's a bad man, okay? 49 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,640 And I knew what he had my husband do. 50 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:42,800 My husband pointed a shotgun at somebody's head by the order of Jerome 51 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,480 Jacobson to collect some money. And that's not the first time. 52 00:03:47,780 --> 00:03:51,020 He is not some sweet little old man sick. 53 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,320 He's a freaking gangster. 54 00:03:57,380 --> 00:04:01,220 Gangster. And I'm not afraid if he's got a bullet with my name on it. 55 00:04:01,660 --> 00:04:02,840 We've all got to go sometime. 56 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:14,780 There was a rumor going around that it could have been a possible hit to get my 57 00:04:14,780 --> 00:04:15,880 brother out of the situation. 58 00:04:16,220 --> 00:04:17,220 Could it have been? 59 00:04:17,260 --> 00:04:18,260 I don't know. 60 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,180 I was crushed against the wall, covered in blood. 61 00:05:19,540 --> 00:05:23,820 I remember looking this way, and there was a policeman and a fireman right 62 00:05:23,820 --> 00:05:24,820 there. 63 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,580 And I said, give me Frankie, my son. 64 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:37,160 Jerry had just taken Frankie out of the car seat so he could lay down to take a 65 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,700 nap because he was getting cranky. 66 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,880 And they said, Mrs. Colombo, stay still. We've got to cut you out of the jaws of 67 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,520 life. I said, that's my son. 68 00:05:50,380 --> 00:05:55,540 And as soon as they cut me out and took me out, the pain just went all through 69 00:05:55,540 --> 00:05:57,560 my body, and I just screamed. 70 00:05:59,060 --> 00:06:04,880 And I could look over, and I saw my son sucking a lollipop, so I knew he was 71 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:05,880 okay. 72 00:06:09,100 --> 00:06:14,120 Jerry actually crawled out of the car with no blood on him. 73 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:18,360 The telephone rings. 74 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,900 Oh, hey, Jerry, how are you? Oh, I'm okay. 75 00:06:21,100 --> 00:06:24,900 We got into an accident. We're all being airlifted to the hospital. 76 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,620 I said, are you sure you're all right? He said, yeah, I'm fine. 77 00:06:27,900 --> 00:06:29,400 Like, nothing at all was wrong. 78 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:32,360 I got the call at work. 79 00:06:32,820 --> 00:06:36,820 and raced up there to the hospital. He was in ICU, and they had him hooked up 80 00:06:36,820 --> 00:06:37,820 all these machines. 81 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,680 Robin had, I think, five to six stitches on top of her head. 82 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:43,899 She had cut her head. 83 00:06:43,900 --> 00:06:47,580 Frankie's arm was broken, and he had, I think, a bump on his nose. Yeah, and 84 00:06:47,580 --> 00:06:48,199 that was it. 85 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,760 Most of the force of the truck hit the passenger door. 86 00:06:51,100 --> 00:06:56,440 But they seemed like he was going to be okay, which was kind of odd because he's 87 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:57,440 in ICU. 88 00:06:59,530 --> 00:07:03,530 My brother said that he had, I think it was $15 ,000 or $20 ,000 in the glove 89 00:07:03,530 --> 00:07:09,570 box, and then a couple of hundred thousand dollars in a suitcase in 90 00:07:09,570 --> 00:07:12,630 and dad's home in Jacksonville, and told me to take care of this one, take care 91 00:07:12,630 --> 00:07:17,310 of that one. So we went to the junkyard, and there was nothing in there. 92 00:07:17,710 --> 00:07:18,710 Everything was gone. 93 00:07:19,310 --> 00:07:23,810 And the money in the house disappeared. 94 00:07:24,910 --> 00:07:26,630 Everyone claims that it was never there. 95 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,400 Jerry would not tell me that he had money at the house if he didn't have 96 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:31,159 at the house. 97 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,360 So then I took it upon myself to go to his house. 98 00:07:35,620 --> 00:07:39,800 He made a little detour. I made a little detour without anyone knowing, and I 99 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:46,560 made some things disappear because I knew things were getting really 100 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:47,560 ugly. 101 00:07:48,420 --> 00:07:50,860 I got a couple of items out of his freezer. 102 00:07:51,340 --> 00:07:53,140 He had about four or five tickets. 103 00:07:54,710 --> 00:07:59,910 Not sure if Robin knew they were in there or not, but I didn't want Robin to 104 00:07:59,910 --> 00:08:01,070 have access to those tickets. 105 00:08:01,490 --> 00:08:05,530 I was not sure if the accident was an accident, was it a setup. 106 00:08:05,810 --> 00:08:06,810 We didn't know. 107 00:08:10,310 --> 00:08:11,550 It could have been a hit. 108 00:08:13,650 --> 00:08:15,410 I really believe that. 109 00:08:15,730 --> 00:08:17,190 I don't have any proof of that. 110 00:08:18,490 --> 00:08:20,150 But I'm thinking something went wrong. 111 00:08:20,570 --> 00:08:23,250 And I was feeling that, and I got that impression. 112 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:30,700 because Jerry was getting a little on edge because the pressure was on him 113 00:08:30,700 --> 00:08:31,700 from someone. 114 00:08:32,380 --> 00:08:33,380 You know what I mean? 115 00:08:33,659 --> 00:08:35,840 Something was different. 116 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:45,160 Being a big guy, when they put him a knife to you, they didn't realize he had 117 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,900 internal damage, so they were treating him for his broken leg, and they didn't 118 00:08:48,900 --> 00:08:50,360 catch the internal damage that he had. 119 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,220 And by the time they caught it, they realized his lung had collapsed, his 120 00:08:57,220 --> 00:08:58,220 were broken. 121 00:08:58,340 --> 00:09:03,800 Up to that time, it was joking, it was lighthearted. He did not seem like he 122 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:04,719 in shock. 123 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,920 Even to this day, I'm just astonished, astonished that the man was actively 124 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:10,920 dying. 125 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,720 He was in and out of consciousness. 126 00:09:15,980 --> 00:09:17,980 He had a ventilator, so he wasn't able to talk. 127 00:09:18,340 --> 00:09:19,860 They had him on all these different machines. 128 00:09:20,410 --> 00:09:25,570 Robin literally came a couple of times to visit, and that was pretty much it. 129 00:09:25,790 --> 00:09:30,030 The only thing Robin was always worried about was, I got to get to the house, I 130 00:09:30,030 --> 00:09:31,030 got to get to the house. 131 00:09:31,230 --> 00:09:36,370 My sister -in -law didn't give a rat's ass about my brother while he was in the 132 00:09:36,370 --> 00:09:37,370 hospital. 133 00:09:42,410 --> 00:09:46,590 One of the reasons why Robin didn't come around, though, also, there was a 134 00:09:46,590 --> 00:09:47,590 fight. 135 00:09:48,350 --> 00:09:49,350 Jerry's mother. 136 00:09:50,420 --> 00:09:53,980 Basically, you know, you did this on purpose. You did this. And her swearing 137 00:09:53,980 --> 00:09:56,800 and down, I didn't do it on purpose. I didn't set this up. I didn't do this. 138 00:09:57,140 --> 00:10:02,600 If it was, in fact, and if there was any proof that she was involved with 139 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,820 that... She wouldn't be here right now. I can guarantee you she wouldn't be here 140 00:10:05,820 --> 00:10:06,820 right now. I will guarantee you. 141 00:10:09,900 --> 00:10:16,880 The last few days, it was me, my brother, my mom and dad, and the last 142 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,900 that he said, he mouthed them. 143 00:10:19,420 --> 00:10:22,560 To my mom, happy Mother's Day, because it was Mother's Day. 144 00:10:25,660 --> 00:10:30,700 And once that happened, his body just started shutting down little by little. 145 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,080 There was nothing that no one could do. 146 00:10:32,860 --> 00:10:39,740 And the last couple of hours, everyone was in the waiting room, but I was like, 147 00:10:39,820 --> 00:10:43,880 I'm not going to leave my brother aside and leave him in the room by himself. 148 00:10:44,460 --> 00:10:48,560 So I stood there, I sat next to him, I kept talking to him. 149 00:10:48,890 --> 00:10:49,890 Kept talking to him. 150 00:10:50,170 --> 00:10:55,950 Till this day, I mean, I don't know if he heard me or not, but I held his hand 151 00:10:55,950 --> 00:11:02,590 and I stayed there until the last monitor 152 00:11:02,590 --> 00:11:03,590 went down. 153 00:11:04,470 --> 00:11:10,590 And till this day, I don't regret it because he didn't die by himself. 154 00:11:11,230 --> 00:11:13,650 I made sure that I was there. I'm sorry. 155 00:11:24,449 --> 00:11:25,449 Usually I don't cry. 156 00:11:25,910 --> 00:11:29,990 I couldn't let him sit there by himself. 157 00:11:30,270 --> 00:11:33,270 I couldn't do it. So I stayed there with him. 158 00:11:33,950 --> 00:11:36,870 Hardest thing I've ever done in my life. But the best thing I've ever done in my 159 00:11:36,870 --> 00:11:37,870 life. 160 00:11:41,670 --> 00:11:44,470 He always wanted his son, Francesco, to... 161 00:11:44,970 --> 00:11:49,310 be in karate and this and that and all that kind of stuff. And I promised him I 162 00:11:49,310 --> 00:11:52,470 was going to help take care of him. I said, I'm going to look over your son. 163 00:11:52,470 --> 00:11:54,930 going to make sure he grows up to be a good kid. 164 00:11:55,250 --> 00:12:00,670 And I promised him that he'd be okay. I said, you know, it's okay. 165 00:12:01,170 --> 00:12:02,810 I'll take care of him. I'll watch over him. 166 00:12:03,690 --> 00:12:07,830 If he was hearing me, I just wanted him to know that the one thing that he 167 00:12:07,830 --> 00:12:09,670 really cared about was his son. 168 00:12:13,030 --> 00:12:14,030 And that was it. 169 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,440 I just wanted to make sure that he knew. 170 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:31,280 His heart stopped. 171 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,880 Because he didn't react to the medication. 172 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:39,120 Were you there? 173 00:12:39,660 --> 00:12:46,310 No, I wasn't actually at the hospital because I was... I really 174 00:12:46,310 --> 00:12:47,630 didn't think he was going to die. 175 00:12:48,110 --> 00:12:49,370 You don't think it. 176 00:12:50,490 --> 00:12:52,250 It was early in the morning. 177 00:12:52,750 --> 00:12:54,330 My mother got the call. 178 00:12:55,050 --> 00:12:58,230 And she told me. And I just lost it. 179 00:13:00,190 --> 00:13:01,190 Yeah. 180 00:13:03,330 --> 00:13:04,890 It was so horrific. 181 00:13:10,850 --> 00:13:12,050 And that was that. 182 00:13:12,590 --> 00:13:19,330 So I had the guilt of driving, the guilt of losing my husband, and my son losing 183 00:13:19,330 --> 00:13:20,330 his father. 184 00:13:22,050 --> 00:13:24,010 It was just too much to bear. 185 00:13:30,470 --> 00:13:37,090 My name is Francesco Gennaro Colombo, named after 186 00:13:37,090 --> 00:13:38,490 Gennaro Colombo. 187 00:13:43,590 --> 00:13:46,550 Everybody's kind of talking about him now, you know, because in the 90s, he's 188 00:13:46,550 --> 00:13:49,390 one of the guys who ran the McDonald's Monopoly scam. 189 00:13:50,710 --> 00:13:52,930 So I'm his son. 190 00:13:53,610 --> 00:13:54,610 Give daddy a punch. 191 00:13:54,730 --> 00:13:55,750 Give daddy a karate kick. 192 00:13:57,030 --> 00:13:58,030 Yeah! Ow! 193 00:13:58,390 --> 00:13:59,390 That's not good. 194 00:14:00,130 --> 00:14:02,790 We got in the accident three days before my birthday. I was two. 195 00:14:02,990 --> 00:14:07,750 I was in the back seat. And one thing that's always stood out for me is my mom 196 00:14:07,750 --> 00:14:09,930 said that my dad took me out of the car seat. 197 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,120 Sure enough, minutes later, we got in the accident, and that car seat was 198 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,780 crushed. So if they wouldn't have done that, then I wouldn't be here right now. 199 00:14:17,940 --> 00:14:21,840 My grandma, my nonna, she showed me a picture of the accident. 200 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:27,080 I believe I was like 9 or 10, and that traumatized me. It's not something that 201 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:31,900 kid should see, especially the car that their dad was in, and that's why he's 202 00:14:31,900 --> 00:14:32,900 not here anymore. 203 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:48,600 Uh -oh. 204 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,000 My whole life I've always known that there was something empty. You know, 205 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,000 was always something missing. 206 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,060 And I always felt that that was my dad. 207 00:14:56,980 --> 00:15:01,360 And then the moment that she came into my life, it was instantly filled. 208 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,400 Since I didn't know him, I felt like he didn't know me. 209 00:15:07,340 --> 00:15:11,520 But now that I have a kid, I understand that, you know, so much has happened in 210 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:12,520 this first year. 211 00:15:17,420 --> 00:15:21,200 I'm sitting there playing with her, and every day I think about my dad. 212 00:15:22,540 --> 00:15:25,900 I promised my brother that I was going to help take care of his son, Francesco. 213 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:31,740 But there was a lot of things back then that happened. There was a fight over 214 00:15:31,740 --> 00:15:36,780 custody of Francesco. My family, they didn't want us to be any part of 215 00:15:36,780 --> 00:15:38,200 Francesco's life whatsoever. 216 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,260 We were both devastated. 217 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:45,440 Last I heard, he had a baby and so forth and so on. I wish him the best. If 218 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,100 anything else comes out of this, I want him to know that we desperately did try 219 00:15:49,100 --> 00:15:50,140 to be part of his life. 220 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:58,260 My dad, honestly, I don't have physical memories of him, but I have a lot of 221 00:15:58,260 --> 00:15:59,700 memories from seeing home videos. 222 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:01,380 Hi, I'm Frankie. 223 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:04,480 Oh, 224 00:16:05,580 --> 00:16:07,340 say, Frankie, I don't feel good. Be sad. 225 00:16:11,380 --> 00:16:12,400 That's who I remember. 226 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,780 You know, I don't see this mobster guy who did all these things. 227 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,040 I just see my dad. 228 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,360 Before I knew it, he was gone. 229 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,160 I just didn't even know what to think anymore. 230 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,700 I mean, I wasn't thinking about the money. I was just thinking... 231 00:16:37,230 --> 00:16:40,730 Oh, my God, what am I going to do? What am I going to do? 232 00:16:42,290 --> 00:16:44,790 I don't have anyone to talk to. I don't have anyone to go to. 233 00:16:45,290 --> 00:16:46,290 It's just me. 234 00:16:48,410 --> 00:16:54,290 After my brother passed away, a week and a half afterwards, everything was gone 235 00:16:54,290 --> 00:16:55,290 in his house. 236 00:16:55,670 --> 00:16:58,050 All of the antiques, all of the furniture. 237 00:16:58,290 --> 00:17:02,630 He had Mickey Mantle cards, Babe Ruth cards. He had so many things in that 238 00:17:02,630 --> 00:17:03,630 house. 239 00:17:04,130 --> 00:17:05,130 Everything disappeared. 240 00:17:08,170 --> 00:17:11,930 And Robin claimed that, oh, we got robbed while we were in the hospital. 241 00:17:12,210 --> 00:17:13,210 Really? 242 00:17:14,550 --> 00:17:21,550 I think Robin, as well as friends of hers, stole everything 243 00:17:21,550 --> 00:17:25,810 from my brother. All his jewelry, gone. All his furniture, gone. 244 00:17:26,089 --> 00:17:27,450 There was nothing. They robbed the blind. 245 00:17:36,430 --> 00:17:37,430 They heard. 246 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:42,440 Your house with Jerry got robbed, and everything got cleaned out. 247 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,740 Yeah. Did that happen? Yeah, yeah. 248 00:17:45,060 --> 00:17:46,060 Your house got cleaned out? Yeah. 249 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:52,000 I had, there was a bunch of, like, we had a casino, and 250 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,160 they got all our slot machines. 251 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,100 And this happened, like, right after his death? 252 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:01,080 Yeah. 253 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,000 Who, like, did this? I don't know. I don't know. I didn't care. 254 00:18:07,370 --> 00:18:12,990 When you lose, you don't think about, you don't give a shit. I didn't give a 255 00:18:12,990 --> 00:18:15,930 shit about that stuff at all. 256 00:18:18,550 --> 00:18:22,910 He wasn't messing with the most favored kind of people, you know. 257 00:18:25,010 --> 00:18:28,890 I don't know. 258 00:18:30,510 --> 00:18:32,410 I don't know. 259 00:18:36,490 --> 00:18:40,430 My grandparents did point blame at my mom, and that's not cool. She lost her 260 00:18:40,430 --> 00:18:43,190 husband. You know, she lost her soulmate. 261 00:18:43,470 --> 00:18:48,070 I 100 % don't believe that was something that she did on purpose. That's not at 262 00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:49,070 all. 263 00:18:49,670 --> 00:18:54,090 Robin had lived the lavish lifestyle. When she was married to Jerry, she had 264 00:18:54,090 --> 00:18:56,390 money, she had the car, she had the big house, she had everything. 265 00:18:57,270 --> 00:19:03,030 Once Jerry passed away, that money, that cash cow, you may call it, is gone. 266 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:08,260 So now at this point, Robin's hungry for that money. So she literally would do 267 00:19:08,260 --> 00:19:13,820 anything at all to have the money. It's in the wheel of justice, but it's in the 268 00:19:13,820 --> 00:19:15,760 wheel to see who it lands on this week. 269 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,240 Looks like we're going to come up on Ms. 270 00:19:24,540 --> 00:19:26,380 Colombo. She's been on the wheel a couple of weeks. 271 00:19:26,740 --> 00:19:29,700 Okay, Robin Colombo is wanted for... 272 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:31,280 Grand Theft Auto. 273 00:19:31,500 --> 00:19:34,760 If you know where she is or any of the suspects on the wheel, please call Crime 274 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,120 Stoppers. That number is 866 -845 -TIPS. 275 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,400 Officer Hartley, thank you. Always a pleasure. 276 00:19:43,460 --> 00:19:47,680 So she started doing check fraud. She would get checks that were unworthy and 277 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,600 money to back them, and she would write them out and cash them, and she got 278 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:52,600 caught for that. 279 00:19:53,930 --> 00:19:57,630 I remember Francesco actually explaining this as young as he was about how he 280 00:19:57,630 --> 00:20:02,190 would go into a store and his mom would tell him to pick up a $200, $300 281 00:20:02,190 --> 00:20:07,110 pocketbook and just carry it out because the security wouldn't stop a child. Or 282 00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:10,610 if they did, it was, oh, put that down, Francesco, that's not yours. Yeah, 283 00:20:10,610 --> 00:20:11,529 that's not yours. 284 00:20:11,530 --> 00:20:13,930 She was training him at a very young age because he needed that money. 285 00:20:16,270 --> 00:20:17,370 I went to prison. 286 00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:20,330 I was trying to keep up the lifestyle. 287 00:20:21,379 --> 00:20:26,060 Uncle Jerry never even contacted me after Jerry, my husband, died. 288 00:20:26,780 --> 00:20:27,780 Nope. 289 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:29,400 I don't, yeah. 290 00:20:32,060 --> 00:20:35,380 I mean, I'll admit the first couple of days I had tickets in my hand. I'm like, 291 00:20:35,460 --> 00:20:40,100 whoa, should I take over his business now? 292 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:45,640 You know, because I could have easily, I could have easily went to Uncle Jerry 293 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,840 and said, hey, you know, let's continue this. 294 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:49,840 I could have easily kept it going. 295 00:20:51,670 --> 00:20:55,210 But I didn't because I didn't want to look over my shoulder. 296 00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:58,850 I thought it had stopped when my brother passed away. 297 00:20:59,250 --> 00:21:02,010 So I wasn't going to use them. I wasn't going to give them to anybody. I wasn't 298 00:21:02,010 --> 00:21:06,470 going to try to tell them what have you. I just destroyed them, hoping that it 299 00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:07,470 was never going to be found out. 300 00:21:08,030 --> 00:21:09,030 That was my goal. 301 00:21:10,170 --> 00:21:13,470 Like I've always said my whole life, if you can get away with something over and 302 00:21:13,470 --> 00:21:16,210 over and over, you only got to be caught once. 303 00:21:17,250 --> 00:21:19,130 You get caught once, you're done. 304 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,480 At this point, Operation Final Answer was moving fast. 305 00:21:33,020 --> 00:21:34,420 Everything was on the table. 306 00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:39,600 It's kind of like a factory. I mean, everybody's working, everybody's 307 00:21:39,740 --> 00:21:40,740 they're reviewing tapes. 308 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,760 I mean, it's a whole elaborate team effort process. 309 00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:50,680 In order to do this scam, Jerry Jacobson needed what we refer to as middlemen. 310 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:56,140 One of the early middlemen was Jerry Colombo, who passed away, died in a car 311 00:21:56,140 --> 00:21:57,140 accident. 312 00:21:57,910 --> 00:21:59,250 Okay, now what? 313 00:22:00,750 --> 00:22:06,490 The one thing that was still out there was really how mechanically is Jerry 314 00:22:06,490 --> 00:22:07,990 Jacobson doing this? 315 00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:12,710 And that was, you know, kind of this nagging question mark. 316 00:22:13,170 --> 00:22:17,370 We were just building the puzzle from all the pieces, and there were so many 317 00:22:17,370 --> 00:22:19,130 different pieces that we were putting together. 318 00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:25,190 We were working a lot with the Atlanta division who had a surveillance team. 319 00:22:25,630 --> 00:22:30,090 Kind of like in the movies, guys parked in cars or following with binoculars and 320 00:22:30,090 --> 00:22:35,610 cameras, painting the picture of this guy, his background, and who he was. 321 00:22:36,190 --> 00:22:38,710 Undercover tapes and the video were coming in. 322 00:22:39,150 --> 00:22:42,510 Conversations on the wiretap were coming in. A lot of moving parts. 323 00:22:43,290 --> 00:22:44,630 Jerry was paranoid. 324 00:22:45,030 --> 00:22:49,110 He's been talking about his phone being tapped ever since we were in Florida. 325 00:22:49,310 --> 00:22:54,520 He would always say, Don't say that. Our phones might be tapped. Somebody might 326 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:59,420 be listening. You never know who's going to hear you. And one day, we were just 327 00:22:59,420 --> 00:23:00,920 chit -chatting, and I said something. 328 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,600 I didn't think it was a big deal. And he said, watch out. Don't say it like 329 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:10,280 that. So in a few minutes, I finally said, hey, Jerry, when did you tell Leo 330 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:11,280 go kill the president? 331 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:13,880 And he hung up on me. 332 00:23:16,060 --> 00:23:20,240 I'm thinking to myself, why do you think somebody would find you so? 333 00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:23,850 Interesting that they wouldn't want to tap your phone. 334 00:23:26,650 --> 00:23:30,190 Jerry Jacobs was controlling all the pieces at that point, so he needed to 335 00:23:30,190 --> 00:23:32,190 replace Columbo as quickly as possible. 336 00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:37,970 Identification of sources that he could use of recruiters became his full -time 337 00:23:37,970 --> 00:23:42,990 job. One of the middlemen, A .J. Glum, came on the radar screen fairly early 338 00:23:42,990 --> 00:23:45,030 after Columbo died. 339 00:23:45,690 --> 00:23:51,230 glum had a number of telephonic conversations with jerry jacobson and we 340 00:23:51,230 --> 00:23:52,830 you know follow where the evidence leads you 341 00:23:52,830 --> 00:24:03,710 my 342 00:24:03,710 --> 00:24:10,670 name is andrew glom i go by aj one day a 343 00:24:10,670 --> 00:24:14,290 friend of mine called me up and he said i have something you might be interested 344 00:24:14,290 --> 00:24:19,800 in write down this number, and go to a phone booth and call me. I said, oh, no, 345 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,020 no. I had enough of that in my life. 346 00:24:24,260 --> 00:24:27,140 Come on, I just got off probation a couple years ago. 347 00:24:27,420 --> 00:24:32,720 I had just finished up a drug sentence, and I didn't want anything to happen. 348 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,700 And how did you get into selling drugs? 349 00:24:36,460 --> 00:24:39,560 Actually, that's like one of the best parts of the whole story. 350 00:24:43,340 --> 00:24:49,020 First time I ever did any kind of drugs was with Harold Robbins, the writer, and 351 00:24:49,020 --> 00:24:50,300 we were in Monte Carlo. 352 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,580 And he had a bunch of girls with him, and so we're talking, and I says, in 353 00:24:57,580 --> 00:25:03,360 books, whenever they were having sex, they always did amyl nitrate before they 354 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:04,400 had an orgasm. 355 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,060 So I says, Harold, is she having amyl nitrate? 356 00:25:11,610 --> 00:25:14,210 He said, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you want some? I said, yeah. 357 00:25:15,250 --> 00:25:16,530 I didn't know what I was doing. 358 00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:17,870 So I'm sitting there. 359 00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:19,910 This girl says, let's dance. 360 00:25:20,250 --> 00:25:21,250 So I get up. 361 00:25:23,470 --> 00:25:24,550 I said, oh, my God. 362 00:25:24,750 --> 00:25:26,330 Oh, my God. Oh, my God. 363 00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:30,210 Everybody said, what's wrong? What's wrong? I said, I don't know. 364 00:25:30,450 --> 00:25:34,410 So I called my friend. I said, Steve, get me out of here. Get me out of here. 365 00:25:35,230 --> 00:25:37,830 So that was my first thing with drugs. 366 00:25:38,570 --> 00:25:40,550 So how I got into selling them. 367 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:46,160 I had a cousin, and he says, can you get me some Quaaludes? 368 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,100 I said, let me ask one of my buddies. 369 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,700 I said, Steve, can you get Quaaludes? He said, yeah, how many do you want? 370 00:25:53,500 --> 00:25:56,860 I said, I don't know. I said, how much are they? He said, well, how much do you 371 00:25:56,860 --> 00:25:59,140 want to make? I said, how much is there to make? 372 00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:01,280 So that's how I got into drugs. 373 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:09,680 Then in 1982, I had sent some drugs out to a friend of mine, a 374 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:10,680 customer of mine. 375 00:26:11,449 --> 00:26:17,410 They were selling to somebody who was on the hook to the DEA, 376 00:26:17,410 --> 00:26:20,850 and they followed him to the airport. 377 00:26:23,710 --> 00:26:25,330 Next thing you know, boom! 378 00:26:26,750 --> 00:26:28,390 DEA comes out of everywhere. 379 00:26:29,870 --> 00:26:33,970 So I got 12 years for six ounces of cocaine. 380 00:26:35,670 --> 00:26:38,770 I was supposed to report to Montgomery, Alabama. 381 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,140 And they gave me like 30 days or 60 days to report. 382 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,840 And I just didn't report. 383 00:26:46,060 --> 00:26:48,640 I waited until like almost the last day. 384 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:54,300 And then I took off for Europe for 16 months. 385 00:26:54,660 --> 00:26:56,060 I was a fugitive. 386 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,060 You're always worried looking over your shoulder every time you see two guys 387 00:27:03,060 --> 00:27:04,220 with suits on. 388 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:05,880 You think it's over. 389 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,780 It's like this could be your last day. 390 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:15,660 before you go to jail so just live it to the fullest it's like a movie you're 391 00:27:15,660 --> 00:27:21,940 living a movie but then i bought a ferrari in germany 392 00:27:21,940 --> 00:27:27,500 and i shipped it to long beach anyway i got arrested in a donut shop 393 00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:29,860 in san diego 394 00:27:38,570 --> 00:27:44,350 When I got out of prison, my friend, Don Hart, called me and said that he had 395 00:27:44,350 --> 00:27:47,970 something that I might be interested in, this Monopoly game. 396 00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:53,270 I was very skeptical, and I told him, I said, you know, Don, I said, I just got 397 00:27:53,270 --> 00:27:54,270 off of parole. 398 00:27:54,450 --> 00:27:57,730 And I said, I don't think I want to know anything about it. 399 00:27:58,450 --> 00:28:03,650 And then probably two or three days later, I said, you know, let's meet and 400 00:28:03,650 --> 00:28:04,650 we'll talk about it. 401 00:28:09,010 --> 00:28:13,010 Don was one of my best friends for, oh, gee, it's 40 -some years. 402 00:28:13,690 --> 00:28:16,050 Very wealthy. He was very well respected. 403 00:28:17,070 --> 00:28:20,910 And he had a friend that had access to tickets. 404 00:28:21,150 --> 00:28:26,110 I said, why would the guy give you, of all people in the world, a ticket like 405 00:28:26,110 --> 00:28:29,610 this? He said, because he knows I'm not going to screw him out of anything. 406 00:28:29,890 --> 00:28:31,950 And it made sense. I said, yeah, you're right. 407 00:28:32,550 --> 00:28:37,230 He said, you know, they need winners. He says, I have one, a ticket. 408 00:28:37,850 --> 00:28:42,790 that you can cash in for a million dollars and we'll share it. If somebody 409 00:28:42,790 --> 00:28:46,310 offers you a million dollars, you're going to take it. 410 00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:51,810 Unless you've got to kill somebody, then you might not be interested. 411 00:28:52,170 --> 00:28:57,770 But I started thinking about it. I said, nah, I better not do this myself. 412 00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:59,910 I don't want to go back to prison. 413 00:29:01,430 --> 00:29:03,870 So I had a friend in San Diego. 414 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,660 Got a plane and I flew to San Diego the next day. And then I ran it by him, told 415 00:29:10,660 --> 00:29:12,200 him how it worked and everything. 416 00:29:12,660 --> 00:29:14,940 And we were going to split it three ways. 417 00:29:15,540 --> 00:29:19,500 Me, Don Hart and Stanley, who I was given the ticket to. 418 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:25,040 And I remember he told me the manager said, oh, you know, the last time 419 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,300 won, they gave the ticket to St. Jude. 420 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,520 Stanley said, what's not happening this time? 421 00:29:34,990 --> 00:29:37,210 It's not going to anybody except me. 422 00:29:37,810 --> 00:29:44,090 And so that was it. So he mailed it in. And then after that, I made several 423 00:29:44,090 --> 00:29:46,570 trips out to California to get the money from him. 424 00:29:47,530 --> 00:29:50,850 After Stanley was Richard Sokolski, I believe. 425 00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:55,350 Victor Marchitello was the third person I gave a ticket to. 426 00:29:55,910 --> 00:29:58,850 I met him in prison in West Virginia. 427 00:29:59,330 --> 00:30:02,350 The next was Stan Warwick in Chicago. 428 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:04,320 In 1999, 429 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:11,940 Stan was a heart transplant recipient, and the city's newscaster 430 00:30:11,940 --> 00:30:17,360 said, there's a guy with a heart transplant eating McDonald's. 431 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,200 Free food. 432 00:30:20,420 --> 00:30:22,820 We get free food. And another free sandwich. 433 00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:29,200 There you go. I'm too nervous. I don't think I met Jerry 434 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,820 until... 435 00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:34,070 Probably halfway through all these people. 436 00:30:34,890 --> 00:30:38,450 It must have been in 99 at Don's party. 437 00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:41,210 What was your first impression of meeting him? 438 00:30:41,450 --> 00:30:43,270 Nothing. I didn't think nothing of it. 439 00:30:43,650 --> 00:30:45,150 Sort of nondescript. 440 00:30:46,970 --> 00:30:49,450 Then eventually, Don didn't want to be involved. 441 00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:51,710 He says, I don't want no money. I don't want anything. 442 00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:52,990 I'm out of this. 443 00:30:53,890 --> 00:30:57,270 It was just me and Jerry trying to get other people involved. 444 00:30:58,690 --> 00:30:59,930 But I never... 445 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,240 I can honestly say I never had a close relationship with him. 446 00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:11,860 It turned out Andrew Glum was a large recruiter, had provided quite 447 00:31:11,860 --> 00:31:14,480 a few, had enriched himself. 448 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:21,500 And Uncle Jerry, he had kind of a wide net there of individuals who were 449 00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:23,400 to participate in this fraud scheme. 450 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,160 So when we're on the phones, we need to be on the recruiters. And that's where 451 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,680 we were focusing our investigation. 452 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,500 Back then, everybody got a bill every month with all the long -distance calls 453 00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:40,980 that you made. And I remember looking at the toll records. 454 00:31:41,180 --> 00:31:44,680 On one part of the ledger is all your winners and their phone numbers. Then on 455 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,840 the other end of the ledger, Jerry Jacobson. And of the hundreds of calls 456 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,420 each made, there would be, wow, they're both calling a common number. Look at 457 00:31:53,420 --> 00:31:58,080 that. We have this winner has called A .J. Glum. So has Jerry Jacobson. 458 00:31:58,510 --> 00:32:02,330 but that yeah that's how we started finding other middlemen so then you 459 00:32:02,330 --> 00:32:04,370 looking at dwight baker 460 00:32:04,370 --> 00:32:21,370 george 461 00:32:21,370 --> 00:32:25,510 subdivision developed it 87 88. 462 00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:31,650 they're all Half a million, about $450 ,000 and up. I owned all this property 463 00:32:31,650 --> 00:32:34,890 the left at one time. I was going to put a little golf course in here. 464 00:32:36,530 --> 00:32:38,690 I'm Dwight Baker, developer. 465 00:32:39,010 --> 00:32:43,110 I got a real estate broker's license and builder's license and developed quite a 466 00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:47,710 number of projects, probably over 1 ,400 at different acres in South Carolina. 467 00:32:52,170 --> 00:32:58,050 I met Jerry when I sold Jerry a piece of property in a subdivision and ended up 468 00:32:58,050 --> 00:32:59,290 building him a house in the dock. 469 00:32:59,750 --> 00:33:02,350 Then I sold him a couple of lots in another subdivision. 470 00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:08,570 Right below that sign there are the two lots that Jacobson owned right here. 471 00:33:09,450 --> 00:33:11,530 I think it's this property here. 472 00:33:13,810 --> 00:33:16,250 I don't know if there's houses on them now or not. 473 00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:20,110 My family. 474 00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:25,800 They're probably not going to be happy with me sitting here and telling this 475 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:26,800 story. 476 00:33:28,140 --> 00:33:31,480 We were all LDS, which was Latter -day Saint family. 477 00:33:32,940 --> 00:33:35,720 And I had a high profile in the community. 478 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,060 You try to live a good life, you try to do what's right. 479 00:33:40,580 --> 00:33:43,740 Probably one of my biggest regrets being involved in this McDonald's thing. 480 00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:46,620 Yeah, I shouldn't have been involved in it. 481 00:33:50,390 --> 00:33:51,390 Yep. 482 00:33:52,970 --> 00:33:59,290 At that time, I was so successful that one day I jumped on a motor grader 483 00:33:59,290 --> 00:34:03,050 and had an accident. 484 00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:08,409 I was backing up the hill when it stalled out. 485 00:34:11,830 --> 00:34:13,790 And I went into the big pile of rock. 486 00:34:18,350 --> 00:34:19,850 Put me in the hospital 10 days. 487 00:34:20,530 --> 00:34:24,250 And that's when Jerry first let me know what he did. 488 00:34:25,150 --> 00:34:27,250 And it was quite interesting. 489 00:34:32,090 --> 00:34:38,690 He called me while I was recuperating from the accident and asked me 490 00:34:38,690 --> 00:34:41,710 if I wanted to ride up the mountain. I said, you'll have to pull up to the door 491 00:34:41,710 --> 00:34:43,130 because I've got to walk her. 492 00:34:43,530 --> 00:34:46,130 He said, okay. So he pulls up to the back door. 493 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,260 and we go riding up the mountain. 494 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:57,240 He said that he was representing McDonald's in the distribution of the 495 00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:58,240 pieces. 496 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,300 He knew I was going through a tough time, so he offered me a game piece if I 497 00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:04,300 $100 ,000. 498 00:35:04,980 --> 00:35:10,700 I didn't have $100 ,000, so he said, listen, if you want one, it's $100 ,000. 499 00:35:10,940 --> 00:35:12,240 That's the only way you're going to get one. 500 00:35:12,730 --> 00:35:16,670 He said, I have the responsibility of distributing. They tell me where to go. 501 00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:18,550 if you want a game piece, this is how it's done. 502 00:35:19,770 --> 00:35:21,930 This is the subdivision that we were in. 503 00:35:22,270 --> 00:35:24,170 Traded game pieces, gave him money. 504 00:35:24,410 --> 00:35:26,170 This is a secluded place. 505 00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:27,630 Yeah. 506 00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:29,650 This is a secluded place. 507 00:35:31,110 --> 00:35:34,830 I knew he was selling the game pieces. And maybe he was doing something that 508 00:35:34,830 --> 00:35:35,529 would yield. 509 00:35:35,530 --> 00:35:38,250 And I asked him, I said, Jerry, what happens if... 510 00:35:38,779 --> 00:35:41,840 McDonald's finds out about it. He said, they're not going to do anything about 511 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:42,779 it. I said, why is that? 512 00:35:42,780 --> 00:35:47,940 He said, because these game pieces increased their sales by 7 % out of 26 513 00:35:47,940 --> 00:35:48,940 stores. 514 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,840 Factoring in a million -dollar game piece on that kind of money, $89 515 00:35:53,980 --> 00:35:58,560 $100 million, they didn't care. If somebody got it, they didn't care if it 516 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,660 in the trash. They didn't care about it. It was factored in. 517 00:36:01,020 --> 00:36:02,060 That was his story. 518 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:03,320 I bought it. 519 00:36:05,509 --> 00:36:09,670 I did not believe that there was anything here other than we were 520 00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:16,390 game. I don't know if it was the oxycontin from the accident, but I took 521 00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:18,850 on it because I didn't know if I was ever going to walk again or let him work 522 00:36:18,850 --> 00:36:19,850 again. 523 00:36:20,450 --> 00:36:24,610 I said, you know, I don't have $100 ,000, but I might know somebody that 524 00:36:25,590 --> 00:36:29,950 Breakfast, lunch, or dinner, there's always a line. A Big Mac combo, please. 525 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,340 serving over 13 million McDonald's customers each year in the U .S., 526 00:36:36,340 --> 00:36:37,340 that globally. 527 00:36:37,620 --> 00:36:40,720 So you can imagine how rare it is to see this. 528 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,120 George Chandler of Walhalla just won a million dollars in the hatch match and 529 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,480 win game right here in West Union. 530 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,240 And Chandler was all smiles. 531 00:36:52,540 --> 00:36:58,980 We bought our breakfast, and I got my hash browns, coffee, whatever, and 532 00:36:58,980 --> 00:36:59,980 it off. 533 00:37:00,190 --> 00:37:01,330 There it was. 534 00:37:04,090 --> 00:37:10,510 Oh, beautiful for spacious skies, for 535 00:37:10,510 --> 00:37:17,150 amber waves of grain, for purple mountain 536 00:37:17,150 --> 00:37:24,110 majesties. Come on over here, girls. Across the fruited 537 00:37:24,110 --> 00:37:28,630 plain, America, come on. 538 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,940 God shed his grace on thee. 539 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,180 Just like that. 540 00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:38,880 See, they like it. 541 00:37:39,740 --> 00:37:42,700 From sea to shining sea. 542 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,220 We should have brought some more feed, shouldn't we, girls? 543 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,440 I'm a pretty lucky guy. 544 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,860 It's not within my personal capacity to have achieved a lot of things I've been 545 00:37:55,860 --> 00:37:56,860 able to do in life. 546 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,180 I don't know, you know, they say God looks after... 547 00:38:01,750 --> 00:38:06,250 Fools and children, I don't know which category I fall into, but it's one of 548 00:38:06,250 --> 00:38:07,250 them. 549 00:38:10,670 --> 00:38:12,290 All right, where do we go from here? 550 00:38:15,970 --> 00:38:17,150 I'm George Chandler. 551 00:38:17,710 --> 00:38:20,110 I grew up in abject poverty. 552 00:38:20,650 --> 00:38:26,070 I was raised Mormon, one of eight kids, and we grew up here in rural Oconee 553 00:38:26,070 --> 00:38:30,010 County, South Carolina, and we were poor. I didn't have running water until 554 00:38:30,010 --> 00:38:31,010 1986. 555 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,660 So, I mean, we're not talking about ancient history here. We're talking 556 00:38:34,660 --> 00:38:40,300 1986. Most people running water at that point in time. We were still using a 557 00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:41,500 well. What do you think? 558 00:38:41,780 --> 00:38:46,160 Dwight was very successful. He had a family. He had five kids. 559 00:38:46,380 --> 00:38:52,220 I became friends with his son. When I was about 12, I left home. 560 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:57,340 Dwight Baker was a foster father to me for a time. 561 00:38:58,660 --> 00:39:03,060 Well, George and I, I mean, originally we went to church together, families. 562 00:39:03,420 --> 00:39:08,300 So we took him in. We became foster parents with George, and he grew up with 563 00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:13,860 kids. You know, being in such a big family and being poor especially, why 564 00:39:13,860 --> 00:39:16,560 I not want to move in with Dwight? 565 00:39:19,140 --> 00:39:24,760 You know, he drove a BMW and, you know, had those successful characteristics 566 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,820 that I wanted. 567 00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:31,630 George has always been highly special. 568 00:39:31,930 --> 00:39:38,570 I mean, he wanted to just absorb knowledge, absorb anything you could 569 00:39:38,590 --> 00:39:41,670 He knew if he was going to get out, he needed to work hard. 570 00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:46,890 When I was 15 years old, I quit school. 571 00:39:47,330 --> 00:39:52,510 I'd grown a mustache to make me look older and told some local employers that 572 00:39:52,510 --> 00:39:54,610 was 18, and I immediately went to work. 573 00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:57,870 I worked 16 hours a day instead of 8. 574 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,880 That proved to work for me and became an entrepreneur and got in a lot of 575 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:02,638 different things. 576 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,920 Communications company, septic system installers, security company, medical 577 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,340 alarm monitoring, industrial programming, residential rentals, 578 00:40:10,340 --> 00:40:13,020 rentals. I told him I wanted to be a millionaire by the time I was 25. 579 00:40:16,860 --> 00:40:21,840 So when Dwight came to me with the ticket, he knew that I was in a position 580 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:27,040 I had some cash to work with. I mean, this is a million -dollar... 581 00:40:27,290 --> 00:40:33,270 winning ticket, and he's got it in a Ziploc sandwich bag that's not even 582 00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:40,150 And he lays it down on my desk, and I take it out, look at it. I mean, it just 583 00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:43,910 says $1 million winner. Call 1 -800 -whatever. 584 00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:49,790 I said, George, a friend of mine got this $1 million game piece from 585 00:40:49,790 --> 00:40:53,890 and I said, he's going through a divorce. I said, he offered to sell it 586 00:40:58,010 --> 00:41:04,590 Because he's going through a divorce, and he doesn't think the ticket should 587 00:41:04,590 --> 00:41:09,730 considered marital property with Dwight's friend. I didn't know this guy 588 00:41:09,730 --> 00:41:11,430 Adam. You know, never met him. 589 00:41:11,850 --> 00:41:17,730 But I had already gone through a very bitter divorce myself, so I felt like it 590 00:41:17,730 --> 00:41:18,850 was a legitimate concern. 591 00:41:19,530 --> 00:41:21,090 I mean, he was already separated. 592 00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:24,560 It wasn't like he had this while he was happily married. 593 00:41:25,420 --> 00:41:29,480 Why did you think you'd have to tell a divorce story instead of just telling 594 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:30,480 what Jerry told you? 595 00:41:31,460 --> 00:41:38,260 Well, because I didn't want him to know I was involved in 596 00:41:38,260 --> 00:41:45,200 it, you know, in something that wasn't real, that had a tint 597 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:50,380 of... I knew Jerry was doing something wrong. 598 00:41:51,290 --> 00:41:54,230 Just probably didn't feel like it was the right thing to do for me to be 599 00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:58,250 involved in it, you know. But, yeah, I did it out of expediency maybe. 600 00:41:58,710 --> 00:42:04,570 And I just tried to protect him from the truth of it. 601 00:42:05,090 --> 00:42:08,870 Because, you know, if it did backfire and it wasn't going, you know, wasn't 602 00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:13,210 right, I mean, he didn't need to have any knowledge of anything, you know. I 603 00:42:13,210 --> 00:42:15,050 mean, I took that all on my shoulders. 604 00:42:19,130 --> 00:42:23,390 Basically asked me, you know, would I be interested in buying the ticket from 605 00:42:23,390 --> 00:42:27,270 him and then redeeming it. I mean, everybody was collecting the tickets. 606 00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:30,210 They're buying and selling these tickets on the Internet. 607 00:42:30,430 --> 00:42:35,190 Not million -dollar winners, but certainly prize -winning tickets, and 608 00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:37,290 match up like Boardwalk and Park Place. 609 00:42:37,850 --> 00:42:41,410 I told Goliath, I said, you know, I'd probably do $100 ,000. 610 00:42:42,270 --> 00:42:45,030 You win $50 ,000 a year for 20 years. 611 00:42:45,570 --> 00:42:48,250 Of course, now I had to pay taxes on this money. 612 00:42:48,590 --> 00:42:53,130 So I had to figure that in my mind. But I felt like somewhere along about the 613 00:42:53,130 --> 00:42:57,230 third year, I would start again. So it wasn't a tremendously immediately 614 00:42:57,230 --> 00:43:01,290 beneficial thing. It wasn't like I was just going to get this huge pile of 615 00:43:01,290 --> 00:43:02,290 money. 616 00:43:02,350 --> 00:43:05,610 But it was nonetheless still a good business deal. 617 00:43:06,990 --> 00:43:07,990 So I did it. 618 00:43:11,330 --> 00:43:13,170 We were up on Dwight's phone. 619 00:43:13,710 --> 00:43:17,690 And then we start to figure out, okay, is there anything with this person, 620 00:43:17,810 --> 00:43:22,190 George Chandler? Yeah, there might be something there. Many times we thought, 621 00:43:22,270 --> 00:43:25,670 well, how much bigger can this get? And it would get bigger. How much further 622 00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:27,970 back could it go? And it would go back further. 623 00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:31,450 I had never seen anything like that and still haven't. 624 00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:45,860 What Jerry did with other people, as far as the money goes, I don't know. 625 00:43:52,540 --> 00:43:56,220 Back to my knowledge, all of mine, I believe, were $50 ,000. 626 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,360 I mean, you go down this list. 627 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,360 I had one, two, three, four, eight, nine, ten winners. 628 00:44:03,940 --> 00:44:10,700 Out of giving away $10 million, I made $10 million. $614 629 00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:14,360 ,000. So, how stupid am I? 630 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:23,740 Then we come to Michael Hoover, 631 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,700 August 2001. 632 00:44:29,260 --> 00:44:33,880 Michael Hoover was one of the most generous people you ever met. Just a 633 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:34,959 great friend. 634 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,940 Just real easy going, nothing bothered him. 635 00:44:39,150 --> 00:44:40,390 Sold a lot of drugs. 636 00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:43,790 That's how we became friends. 637 00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:51,650 I used to go out to Vegas back in the 70s, and Mike was a dealer. 638 00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:58,750 I called him. I says, you know, I got something that you might be interested 639 00:44:58,830 --> 00:45:04,590 I picked up the ticket from Jerry in Atlanta, and so I went up there and gave 640 00:45:04,590 --> 00:45:05,590 him the ticket. 641 00:45:08,740 --> 00:45:12,680 He claimed the ticket, and they did the filming with the commercial. 642 00:45:12,940 --> 00:45:14,660 This is where I lost my People magazine. 643 00:45:15,580 --> 00:45:18,700 Glad that after the beach I stopped and picked up another one. 644 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,260 I remember him calling me saying, this production company that did the 645 00:45:22,260 --> 00:45:26,680 commercial, he said, this girl is really hot. I think she really liked me. I 646 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:27,658 said, oh, great. 647 00:45:27,660 --> 00:45:29,560 I didn't think nothing of it. 648 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,260 In the Y room, we're listening to some of those phone calls to Hoover. 649 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,380 And, of course, Gloan was on the other side, I think, going, really? 650 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:40,840 What does she look like? 651 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,460 I think all of the winners thought I really liked them. 652 00:45:44,860 --> 00:45:48,040 You know, that's the kind of person I am. You know, I was interviewing them 653 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,960 a friend, so it was my job to make sure that they felt comfortable. 654 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,700 She was thick to her stomach. That was her reaction. She goes, what? 655 00:45:58,980 --> 00:46:02,580 How could he ever get that vibe? 656 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,080 I guess she wasn't. 657 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,000 I guess I'm a better actress than I thought I was, you know. 658 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:23,400 I've been a lot of places, met a lot of people, even been as far away as North 659 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,600 Carolina one time. 660 00:46:27,180 --> 00:46:29,500 But I've never. 661 00:46:30,250 --> 00:46:35,910 been to a place you know where the people the hospitality the 662 00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:37,630 all that are as good as they are here 663 00:46:37,630 --> 00:46:44,750 you 664 00:46:44,750 --> 00:46:51,270 really find out who your friends are when you're down and i've never had the 665 00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:55,890 opportunity with some of those people to give them the entire story 666 00:47:06,380 --> 00:47:10,000 to tell them exactly why I'm innocent. 667 00:47:12,140 --> 00:47:15,920 This is the McDonald's where it all happened. 668 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:22,320 There was a press conference and a party, and real Ronald McDonald was 669 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,040 It was kind of surreal. 670 00:47:29,710 --> 00:47:32,810 I said, Mom, I want a million dollars. I said, who is it? 671 00:47:33,050 --> 00:47:34,950 He said, Mom, it's real. 672 00:47:35,250 --> 00:47:41,150 I didn't think he was serious. I was like, you're not serious. 673 00:47:41,550 --> 00:47:45,630 As a single father to 8 -year -old Russell, George Chandler says he'll use 674 00:47:45,630 --> 00:47:47,030 winnings to help raise his son. 675 00:47:47,610 --> 00:47:50,950 He'll get $50 ,000 a year for the next 20 years. 676 00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:52,690 It wasn't an immediate thing. 677 00:47:53,830 --> 00:47:58,870 Ultimately... It had done a lot more harm than good. I already run a business 678 00:47:58,870 --> 00:48:04,390 town, and I was surrounded by this notion that I was a millionaire now. I 679 00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:08,010 need to work. I didn't need any new customers. 680 00:48:08,810 --> 00:48:13,930 I mean, I had to put out $100 ,000, my own money, you know, for this thing. 681 00:48:14,990 --> 00:48:18,170 And I had no question whatsoever. 682 00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:23,820 about the authenticity or legitimacy of the ticket or the origination. 683 00:48:24,140 --> 00:48:27,360 You know, that never occurred to me. We're talking about Dwight Baker. 684 00:48:28,740 --> 00:48:32,140 I didn't take any cut out of the money, okay? It was all Jerry's. 685 00:48:32,980 --> 00:48:36,480 I told him, I said, George, listen, I said, you just give me a navigator and a 686 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:42,280 laptop and we'll be happy, you know? I didn't want George to think bad of me 687 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,280 actually having a little larceny in my heart, you know? 688 00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:50,720 I didn't want a whole lot. I just wanted a little laptop and a navigator. 689 00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:57,160 Then I went to Ronnie Huey and offered it to him. 690 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,440 That's how my greed kicked in. 691 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:03,820 Ronnie was just a high roller. 692 00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:08,120 And Ronnie was going through the fourth, and he said, I'll take two or three of 693 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,120 those. 694 00:49:13,580 --> 00:49:15,720 That was probably the real... 695 00:49:17,580 --> 00:49:22,420 Where I really stepped over the boundary was when Ronnie said, you know, I'll 696 00:49:22,420 --> 00:49:23,900 take one or two or three of them. 697 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,580 And I knew he could. 698 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,020 And I remember Jerry telling me, he said, you're getting a little greedy, 699 00:49:32,020 --> 00:49:33,020 you? 700 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,740 Each time was a little different. 701 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,920 From Ronnie Huey, I got a lifeline or two. 702 00:49:44,310 --> 00:49:49,510 Jerry, he brought me fries and a drink, and it had the game pieces on it, you 703 00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:52,650 know. And I'd pay him in a brown McDonald's bag. 704 00:49:53,370 --> 00:49:55,910 Cash in the McDonald's bag, money. 705 00:50:01,330 --> 00:50:05,590 Did Jerry at any point ever tell you how he actually got the tickets? 706 00:50:05,870 --> 00:50:06,870 Never asked him. 707 00:50:07,870 --> 00:50:11,790 You know, Jerry used to say all the time, this is going to be the last one. 708 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:13,860 This is going to be the last one. 709 00:50:14,580 --> 00:50:19,900 And then one time he said, there's going to be a $5 million prize that they're 710 00:50:19,900 --> 00:50:20,578 going to give. 711 00:50:20,580 --> 00:50:21,960 You take that one. 712 00:50:23,380 --> 00:50:27,140 And I don't know how we were going to split it, but he said, then that's it. 713 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,080 We'll ride into the sunset and forget it. 714 00:50:30,780 --> 00:50:31,780 You know, so. 715 00:50:34,860 --> 00:50:38,500 Jerry was, he was very private, very secretive. 716 00:50:39,060 --> 00:50:40,780 I mean, he never talked about anything. 717 00:50:41,550 --> 00:50:43,170 Staying with anybody else. 718 00:50:44,930 --> 00:50:46,730 I knew he just found the game pieces. 719 00:50:48,070 --> 00:50:49,730 But I didn't know to what degree. 720 00:50:53,170 --> 00:50:56,930 Jerry told me, he said, listen, there was a half a million dollar game piece 721 00:50:56,930 --> 00:51:02,510 worth of McDonald's. If you won $500 ,000 check cash, you wouldn't have to 722 00:51:02,510 --> 00:51:04,560 50. A few thousand a year. 723 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:11,620 And I wanted it. And so I made arrangements with my wife's sister, 724 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,360 And I said, cash that check and we'll split it. 725 00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:23,300 I thought it would have been a tough sell, you know. But it wasn't. 726 00:51:24,540 --> 00:51:30,420 We created an address for her in Asheville, North Carolina. 727 00:51:30,820 --> 00:51:32,260 She turned into Game Peace. 728 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,140 We didn't talk for a while, but time had lapsed. 729 00:51:36,940 --> 00:51:43,100 There was no reason for her to have not been paid on the game, Peter. 730 00:51:43,820 --> 00:51:48,820 I said, I'm going to go up to Asheville and see what's going on. And I went up 731 00:51:48,820 --> 00:51:55,820 there, and the damn FedEx thing had been opened and fallen on the floor. And I 732 00:51:55,820 --> 00:51:57,040 said, she's got the damn money. 733 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,830 Brenda? decided that she was going to keep all the money, run with the money. 734 00:52:06,810 --> 00:52:11,530 That scared the shit out of me because I knew Jerry wouldn't be very damn happy. 735 00:52:12,830 --> 00:52:17,550 Jerry told me if there was a problem, I'd get a visit from his cousin, Guido. 736 00:52:18,130 --> 00:52:19,830 And I took that pretty serious. 737 00:52:22,910 --> 00:52:25,490 Went to my wife and I said, she's running with the money. 738 00:52:26,530 --> 00:52:30,430 And that's what really hooked her in. That's where she got a problem. 739 00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:32,720 She looked at it at her money. 740 00:52:34,660 --> 00:52:36,200 Did you try to stop her? 741 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:39,480 Yeah. 742 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:50,360 And my wife could not stay off the telephone. 743 00:52:54,280 --> 00:53:00,300 Dwight Baker made a phone call to Brenda Phoenix and for whatever reason didn't 744 00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:06,700 quite, Disconnect the phone, which we were still monitoring, and it was like 745 00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:08,500 having a bug in their car. 746 00:53:09,060 --> 00:53:15,800 So inside the wire room, we're hearing how Brenda Phoenix was running around 747 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,960 Indianapolis airport, and Dwight was looking to bury her somewhere. 748 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,200 They're saying... 749 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,120 You know, he's following her to the airport. 750 00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,960 He says he's going to kill her. There was a lot of concern on that. What are 751 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,980 going to do if they are, in fact, really going to harm her? 752 00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:37,120 We would obviously have to intervene, but that would have serious consequences 753 00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:38,120 for the investigation. 754 00:53:38,660 --> 00:53:41,960 One little slip -up, you know, could shut it down. 755 00:53:46,940 --> 00:53:50,380 To me, Dwight was a man of integrity and character. 756 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,560 It just did not occur to me that he would do something like that. 757 00:53:58,300 --> 00:54:01,300 If you can't be trusted, what do you have? 758 00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:05,100 Okay, George. 759 00:54:08,100 --> 00:54:09,360 Let's have fun, y 'all. 760 00:54:10,140 --> 00:54:11,920 She got Rondo. 761 00:54:36,340 --> 00:54:40,720 Because it's an airport, everything is monitored live. It's a public place, and 762 00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:45,440 we had people on scene there watching the cameras, agents who just can blend 763 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,600 in the crowd at the airport, ready to take action. 764 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,980 You know, in a lot of cases, really bad things happen. 765 00:55:17,780 --> 00:55:18,900 Things go wrong. 766 00:55:19,260 --> 00:55:20,420 They always do. 767 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,820 I didn't have a clue that they were on to this case. 768 00:56:32,300 --> 00:56:33,300 Nothing. 769 00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:38,920 The initial stage was the indictment of the first aid. 770 00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,660 The arrests were scheduled to all go down at the same time. 771 00:56:43,060 --> 00:56:45,680 I'm going to get my guy before anybody else. 772 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,080 I mean, we immobilized quick. 773 00:56:48,780 --> 00:56:52,020 He was behind a fortress. 774 00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,980 Oh, God. I'm going to ram this car through the front gate. 775 00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:57,440 I ran. 776 00:56:57,870 --> 00:56:59,790 And I kicked the door open. 777 00:57:01,250 --> 00:57:06,390 Does anybody ever knew how close this was just to blowing up? 65346

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