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Things were moving fast. How is Jerry
Jacobson doing this? That was the
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question mark.
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What we had to vet out is who was
helping Jerry. Uncle Jerry was getting
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tickets and selling them to my brother,
and then my brother would sell them to
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other people. He took this little small
operation and made it huge.
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Before my husband was working the
Monopoly fraud game, we had my son,
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Limbo. Even though I adored my husband,
I found out he had a mistress on the
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side. I was just so mad.
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So I called Uncle Jerry, and he says,
you married the wrong guy.
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He asked me to marry him.
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The next day, Jerry's in the passenger
seat. I'm driving.
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Frankie's crying. We took him out of his
car seat, let him down.
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And a little teardrop came down my face.
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I thought, I'm never going to get out of
this.
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I don't know how to describe
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Jerry Jacobson.
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Jerry had a way about him.
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You're either going to love him or
you're going to hate him. There's no in
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-between.
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He could snap in a millisecond, and you
don't even know why he snapped.
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My kids did not get along with him.
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He laid hands on him more times than I
knew about.
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Jerry Jacobson was actually my
stepfather.
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Short views and a pretty bad temper.
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The most vivid memory I have, we were in
the basement.
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I can't remember what the issue was.
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It seemed insignificant to me at the
time.
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And Jerry just kind of lost it.
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He picked my brother up by the head and
was, like, bouncing his head off the
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wall. And I was in the room just kind of
more scared and hoping it didn't turn
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towards me because I didn't understand
it at the time.
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I stepped in between them, and I told
Michael, my oldest one, to run out the
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front door.
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And I remember yelling out the front
window, just run, Michael, run.
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And Michael was like nine at the time.
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That was the reason we split up.
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We didn't communicate after we split up.
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I was still a cop, but he would show up
on my police calls.
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All of a sudden, I looked around, and
there he is.
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Nobody knew how he knew where my police
calls were.
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He was just there.
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He made people afraid of him.
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He had a .45, because that's what we
carried in Hollywood, and was trading
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parts, and he told me this himself,
because he was going to shoot me and
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put his gun back together.
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So that if they ran ballistics on it, it
wouldn't show that the bullet came from
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that gun.
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He's a bad man, okay?
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And I knew what he had my husband do.
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My husband pointed a shotgun at
somebody's head by the order of Jerome
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Jacobson to collect some money. And
that's not the first time.
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He is not some sweet little old man
sick.
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He's a freaking gangster.
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Gangster. And I'm not afraid if he's got
a bullet with my name on it.
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We've all got to go sometime.
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There was a rumor going around that it
could have been a possible hit to get my
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brother out of the situation.
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Could it have been?
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I don't know.
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I was crushed against the wall, covered
in blood.
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I remember looking this way, and there
was a policeman and a fireman right
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there.
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And I said, give me Frankie, my son.
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Jerry had just taken Frankie out of the
car seat so he could lay down to take a
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nap because he was getting cranky.
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And they said, Mrs. Colombo, stay still.
We've got to cut you out of the jaws of
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life. I said, that's my son.
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And as soon as they cut me out and took
me out, the pain just went all through
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my body, and I just screamed.
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And I could look over, and I saw my son
sucking a lollipop, so I knew he was
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okay.
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Jerry actually crawled out of the car
with no blood on him.
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The telephone rings.
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Oh, hey, Jerry, how are you? Oh, I'm
okay.
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We got into an accident. We're all being
airlifted to the hospital.
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I said, are you sure you're all right?
He said, yeah, I'm fine.
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Like, nothing at all was wrong.
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I got the call at work.
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and raced up there to the hospital. He
was in ICU, and they had him hooked up
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all these machines.
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Robin had, I think, five to six stitches
on top of her head.
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She had cut her head.
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Frankie's arm was broken, and he had, I
think, a bump on his nose. Yeah, and
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that was it.
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Most of the force of the truck hit the
passenger door.
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But they seemed like he was going to be
okay, which was kind of odd because he's
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in ICU.
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My brother said that he had, I think it
was $15 ,000 or $20 ,000 in the glove
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box, and then a couple of hundred
thousand dollars in a suitcase in
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and dad's home in Jacksonville, and told
me to take care of this one, take care
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of that one. So we went to the junkyard,
and there was nothing in there.
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Everything was gone.
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And the money in the house disappeared.
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Everyone claims that it was never there.
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Jerry would not tell me that he had
money at the house if he didn't have
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at the house.
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So then I took it upon myself to go to
his house.
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He made a little detour. I made a little
detour without anyone knowing, and I
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made some things disappear because I
knew things were getting really
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ugly.
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I got a couple of items out of his
freezer.
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He had about four or five tickets.
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Not sure if Robin knew they were in
there or not, but I didn't want Robin to
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have access to those tickets.
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I was not sure if the accident was an
accident, was it a setup.
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We didn't know.
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It could have been a hit.
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I really believe that.
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I don't have any proof of that.
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But I'm thinking something went wrong.
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And I was feeling that, and I got that
impression.
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because Jerry was getting a little on
edge because the pressure was on him
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from someone.
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You know what I mean?
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Something was different.
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Being a big guy, when they put him a
knife to you, they didn't realize he had
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internal damage, so they were treating
him for his broken leg, and they didn't
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catch the internal damage that he had.
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And by the time they caught it, they
realized his lung had collapsed, his
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were broken.
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Up to that time, it was joking, it was
lighthearted. He did not seem like he
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in shock.
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Even to this day, I'm just astonished,
astonished that the man was actively
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dying.
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He was in and out of consciousness.
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He had a ventilator, so he wasn't able
to talk.
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They had him on all these different
machines.
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Robin literally came a couple of times
to visit, and that was pretty much it.
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The only thing Robin was always worried
about was, I got to get to the house, I
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got to get to the house.
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My sister -in -law didn't give a rat's
ass about my brother while he was in the
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hospital.
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One of the reasons why Robin didn't come
around, though, also, there was a
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fight.
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Jerry's mother.
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Basically, you know, you did this on
purpose. You did this. And her swearing
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and down, I didn't do it on purpose. I
didn't set this up. I didn't do this.
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If it was, in fact, and if there was any
proof that she was involved with
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that... She wouldn't be here right now.
I can guarantee you she wouldn't be here
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right now. I will guarantee you.
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The last few days, it was me, my
brother, my mom and dad, and the last
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that he said, he mouthed them.
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To my mom, happy Mother's Day, because
it was Mother's Day.
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And once that happened, his body just
started shutting down little by little.
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There was nothing that no one could do.
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And the last couple of hours, everyone
was in the waiting room, but I was like,
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I'm not going to leave my brother aside
and leave him in the room by himself.
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So I stood there, I sat next to him, I
kept talking to him.
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Kept talking to him.
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Till this day, I mean, I don't know if
he heard me or not, but I held his hand
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and I stayed there until the last
monitor
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went down.
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And till this day, I don't regret it
because he didn't die by himself.
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I made sure that I was there. I'm sorry.
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Usually I don't cry.
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I couldn't let him sit there by himself.
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I couldn't do it. So I stayed there with
him.
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Hardest thing I've ever done in my life.
But the best thing I've ever done in my
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life.
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He always wanted his son, Francesco,
to...
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be in karate and this and that and all
that kind of stuff. And I promised him I
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was going to help take care of him. I
said, I'm going to look over your son.
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going to make sure he grows up to be a
good kid.
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And I promised him that he'd be okay. I
said, you know, it's okay.
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I'll take care of him. I'll watch over
him.
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If he was hearing me, I just wanted him
to know that the one thing that he
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really cared about was his son.
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And that was it.
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I just wanted to make sure that he knew.
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His heart stopped.
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Because he didn't react to the
medication.
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Were you there?
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No, I wasn't actually at the hospital
because I was... I really
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didn't think he was going to die.
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You don't think it.
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It was early in the morning.
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My mother got the call.
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And she told me. And I just lost it.
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Yeah.
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It was so horrific.
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And that was that.
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So I had the guilt of driving, the guilt
of losing my husband, and my son losing
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his father.
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It was just too much to bear.
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My name is Francesco Gennaro Colombo,
named after
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Gennaro Colombo.
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Everybody's kind of talking about him
now, you know, because in the 90s, he's
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one of the guys who ran the McDonald's
Monopoly scam.
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So I'm his son.
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Give daddy a punch.
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Give daddy a karate kick.
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Yeah! Ow!
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That's not good.
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We got in the accident three days before
my birthday. I was two.
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I was in the back seat. And one thing
that's always stood out for me is my mom
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said that my dad took me out of the car
seat.
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Sure enough, minutes later, we got in
the accident, and that car seat was
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crushed. So if they wouldn't have done
that, then I wouldn't be here right now.
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My grandma, my nonna, she showed me a
picture of the accident.
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I believe I was like 9 or 10, and that
traumatized me. It's not something that
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kid should see, especially the car that
their dad was in, and that's why he's
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not here anymore.
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Uh -oh.
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My whole life I've always known that
there was something empty. You know,
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was always something missing.
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And I always felt that that was my dad.
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And then the moment that she came into
my life, it was instantly filled.
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Since I didn't know him, I felt like he
didn't know me.
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But now that I have a kid, I understand
that, you know, so much has happened in
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this first year.
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I'm sitting there playing with her, and
every day I think about my dad.
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I promised my brother that I was going
to help take care of his son, Francesco.
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But there was a lot of things back then
that happened. There was a fight over
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custody of Francesco. My family, they
didn't want us to be any part of
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Francesco's life whatsoever.
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We were both devastated.
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Last I heard, he had a baby and so forth
and so on. I wish him the best. If
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anything else comes out of this, I want
him to know that we desperately did try
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to be part of his life.
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My dad, honestly, I don't have physical
memories of him, but I have a lot of
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memories from seeing home videos.
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Hi, I'm Frankie.
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Oh,
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say, Frankie, I don't feel good. Be sad.
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That's who I remember.
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You know, I don't see this mobster guy
who did all these things.
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I just see my dad.
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Before I knew it, he was gone.
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I just didn't even know what to think
anymore.
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I mean, I wasn't thinking about the
money. I was just thinking...
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Oh, my God, what am I going to do? What
am I going to do?
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I don't have anyone to talk to. I don't
have anyone to go to.
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It's just me.
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After my brother passed away, a week and
a half afterwards, everything was gone
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in his house.
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All of the antiques, all of the
furniture.
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He had Mickey Mantle cards, Babe Ruth
cards. He had so many things in that
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house.
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Everything disappeared.
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And Robin claimed that, oh, we got
robbed while we were in the hospital.
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Really?
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I think Robin, as well as friends of
hers, stole everything
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from my brother. All his jewelry, gone.
All his furniture, gone.
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There was nothing. They robbed the
blind.
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They heard.
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Your house with Jerry got robbed, and
everything got cleaned out.
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Yeah. Did that happen? Yeah, yeah.
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Your house got cleaned out? Yeah.
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I had, there was a bunch of, like, we
had a casino, and
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they got all our slot machines.
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And this happened, like, right after his
death?
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Yeah.
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Who, like, did this? I don't know. I
don't know. I didn't care.
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When you lose, you don't think about,
you don't give a shit. I didn't give a
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shit about that stuff at all.
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He wasn't messing with the most favored
kind of people, you know.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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My grandparents did point blame at my
mom, and that's not cool. She lost her
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husband. You know, she lost her
soulmate.
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I 100 % don't believe that was something
that she did on purpose. That's not at
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all.
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Robin had lived the lavish lifestyle.
When she was married to Jerry, she had
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money, she had the car, she had the big
house, she had everything.
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Once Jerry passed away, that money, that
cash cow, you may call it, is gone.
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So now at this point, Robin's hungry for
that money. So she literally would do
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anything at all to have the money. It's
in the wheel of justice, but it's in the
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wheel to see who it lands on this week.
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Looks like we're going to come up on Ms.
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Colombo. She's been on the wheel a
couple of weeks.
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Okay, Robin Colombo is wanted for...
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Grand Theft Auto.
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If you know where she is or any of the
suspects on the wheel, please call Crime
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Stoppers. That number is 866 -845 -TIPS.
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Officer Hartley, thank you. Always a
pleasure.
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So she started doing check fraud. She
would get checks that were unworthy and
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money to back them, and she would write
them out and cash them, and she got
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caught for that.
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I remember Francesco actually explaining
this as young as he was about how he
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would go into a store and his mom would
tell him to pick up a $200, $300
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pocketbook and just carry it out because
the security wouldn't stop a child. Or
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if they did, it was, oh, put that down,
Francesco, that's not yours. Yeah,
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that's not yours.
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She was training him at a very young age
because he needed that money.
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I went to prison.
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I was trying to keep up the lifestyle.
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Uncle Jerry never even contacted me
after Jerry, my husband, died.
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Nope.
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I don't, yeah.
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I mean, I'll admit the first couple of
days I had tickets in my hand. I'm like,
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whoa, should I take over his business
now?
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You know, because I could have easily, I
could have easily went to Uncle Jerry
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and said, hey, you know, let's continue
this.
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I could have easily kept it going.
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But I didn't because I didn't want to
look over my shoulder.
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I thought it had stopped when my brother
passed away.
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So I wasn't going to use them. I wasn't
going to give them to anybody. I wasn't
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going to try to tell them what have you.
I just destroyed them, hoping that it
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was never going to be found out.
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That was my goal.
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Like I've always said my whole life, if
you can get away with something over and
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over and over, you only got to be caught
once.
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You get caught once, you're done.
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At this point, Operation Final Answer
was moving fast.
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Everything was on the table.
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It's kind of like a factory. I mean,
everybody's working, everybody's
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they're reviewing tapes.
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I mean, it's a whole elaborate team
effort process.
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In order to do this scam, Jerry Jacobson
needed what we refer to as middlemen.
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One of the early middlemen was Jerry
Colombo, who passed away, died in a car
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accident.
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Okay, now what?
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The one thing that was still out there
was really how mechanically is Jerry
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Jacobson doing this?
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And that was, you know, kind of this
nagging question mark.
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We were just building the puzzle from
all the pieces, and there were so many
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different pieces that we were putting
together.
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We were working a lot with the Atlanta
division who had a surveillance team.
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Kind of like in the movies, guys parked
in cars or following with binoculars and
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cameras, painting the picture of this
guy, his background, and who he was.
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Undercover tapes and the video were
coming in.
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Conversations on the wiretap were coming
in. A lot of moving parts.
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Jerry was paranoid.
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He's been talking about his phone being
tapped ever since we were in Florida.
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He would always say, Don't say that. Our
phones might be tapped. Somebody might
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be listening. You never know who's going
to hear you. And one day, we were just
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chit -chatting, and I said something.
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I didn't think it was a big deal. And he
said, watch out. Don't say it like
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that. So in a few minutes, I finally
said, hey, Jerry, when did you tell Leo
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go kill the president?
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And he hung up on me.
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I'm thinking to myself, why do you think
somebody would find you so?
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Interesting that they wouldn't want to
tap your phone.
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Jerry Jacobs was controlling all the
pieces at that point, so he needed to
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replace Columbo as quickly as possible.
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Identification of sources that he could
use of recruiters became his full -time
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job. One of the middlemen, A .J. Glum,
came on the radar screen fairly early
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after Columbo died.
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glum had a number of telephonic
conversations with jerry jacobson and we
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you know follow where the evidence leads
you
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my
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name is andrew glom i go by aj one day a
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friend of mine called me up and he said
i have something you might be interested
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in write down this number, and go to a
phone booth and call me. I said, oh, no,
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no. I had enough of that in my life.
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Come on, I just got off probation a
couple years ago.
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I had just finished up a drug sentence,
and I didn't want anything to happen.
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And how did you get into selling drugs?
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Actually, that's like one of the best
parts of the whole story.
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First time I ever did any kind of drugs
was with Harold Robbins, the writer, and
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we were in Monte Carlo.
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And he had a bunch of girls with him,
and so we're talking, and I says, in
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books, whenever they were having sex,
they always did amyl nitrate before they
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had an orgasm.
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So I says, Harold, is she having amyl
nitrate?
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He said, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you want
some? I said, yeah.
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I didn't know what I was doing.
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So I'm sitting there.
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This girl says, let's dance.
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So I get up.
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I said, oh, my God.
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Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
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Everybody said, what's wrong? What's
wrong? I said, I don't know.
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So I called my friend. I said, Steve,
get me out of here. Get me out of here.
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So that was my first thing with drugs.
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So how I got into selling them.
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I had a cousin, and he says, can you get
me some Quaaludes?
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I said, let me ask one of my buddies.
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I said, Steve, can you get Quaaludes? He
said, yeah, how many do you want?
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I said, I don't know. I said, how much
are they? He said, well, how much do you
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want to make? I said, how much is there
to make?
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So that's how I got into drugs.
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Then in 1982, I had sent some drugs out
to a friend of mine, a
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customer of mine.
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They were selling to somebody who was on
the hook to the DEA,
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and they followed him to the airport.
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Next thing you know, boom!
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DEA comes out of everywhere.
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So I got 12 years for six ounces of
cocaine.
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I was supposed to report to Montgomery,
Alabama.
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And they gave me like 30 days or 60 days
to report.
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And I just didn't report.
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I waited until like almost the last day.
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And then I took off for Europe for 16
months.
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I was a fugitive.
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You're always worried looking over your
shoulder every time you see two guys
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with suits on.
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You think it's over.
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It's like this could be your last day.
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before you go to jail so just live it to
the fullest it's like a movie you're
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living a movie but then i bought a
ferrari in germany
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and i shipped it to long beach anyway i
got arrested in a donut shop
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in san diego
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When I got out of prison, my friend, Don
Hart, called me and said that he had
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something that I might be interested in,
this Monopoly game.
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I was very skeptical, and I told him, I
said, you know, Don, I said, I just got
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off of parole.
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And I said, I don't think I want to know
anything about it.
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And then probably two or three days
later, I said, you know, let's meet and
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we'll talk about it.
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Don was one of my best friends for, oh,
gee, it's 40 -some years.
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Very wealthy. He was very well
respected.
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And he had a friend that had access to
tickets.
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I said, why would the guy give you, of
all people in the world, a ticket like
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this? He said, because he knows I'm not
going to screw him out of anything.
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And it made sense. I said, yeah, you're
right.
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He said, you know, they need winners. He
says, I have one, a ticket.
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that you can cash in for a million
dollars and we'll share it. If somebody
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offers you a million dollars, you're
going to take it.
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Unless you've got to kill somebody, then
you might not be interested.
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But I started thinking about it. I said,
nah, I better not do this myself.
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I don't want to go back to prison.
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So I had a friend in San Diego.
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Got a plane and I flew to San Diego the
next day. And then I ran it by him, told
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him how it worked and everything.
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And we were going to split it three
ways.
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Me, Don Hart and Stanley, who I was
given the ticket to.
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And I remember he told me the manager
said, oh, you know, the last time
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won, they gave the ticket to St. Jude.
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Stanley said, what's not happening this
time?
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It's not going to anybody except me.
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And so that was it. So he mailed it in.
And then after that, I made several
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trips out to California to get the money
from him.
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After Stanley was Richard Sokolski, I
believe.
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Victor Marchitello was the third person
I gave a ticket to.
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I met him in prison in West Virginia.
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The next was Stan Warwick in Chicago.
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In 1999,
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Stan was a heart transplant recipient,
and the city's newscaster
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said, there's a guy with a heart
transplant eating McDonald's.
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Free food.
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We get free food. And another free
sandwich.
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There you go. I'm too nervous. I don't
think I met Jerry
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until...
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Probably halfway through all these
people.
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It must have been in 99 at Don's party.
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What was your first impression of
meeting him?
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Nothing. I didn't think nothing of it.
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Sort of nondescript.
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Then eventually, Don didn't want to be
involved.
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He says, I don't want no money. I don't
want anything.
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I'm out of this.
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It was just me and Jerry trying to get
other people involved.
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But I never...
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I can honestly say I never had a close
relationship with him.
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It turned out Andrew Glum was a large
recruiter, had provided quite
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a few, had enriched himself.
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And Uncle Jerry, he had kind of a wide
net there of individuals who were
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to participate in this fraud scheme.
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So when we're on the phones, we need to
be on the recruiters. And that's where
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we were focusing our investigation.
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Back then, everybody got a bill every
month with all the long -distance calls
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that you made. And I remember looking at
the toll records.
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On one part of the ledger is all your
winners and their phone numbers. Then on
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the other end of the ledger, Jerry
Jacobson. And of the hundreds of calls
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each made, there would be, wow, they're
both calling a common number. Look at
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that. We have this winner has called A
.J. Glum. So has Jerry Jacobson.
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but that yeah that's how we started
finding other middlemen so then you
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looking at dwight baker
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george
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subdivision developed it 87 88.
462
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:31,650
they're all Half a million, about $450
,000 and up. I owned all this property
463
00:32:31,650 --> 00:32:34,890
the left at one time. I was going to put
a little golf course in here.
464
00:32:36,530 --> 00:32:38,690
I'm Dwight Baker, developer.
465
00:32:39,010 --> 00:32:43,110
I got a real estate broker's license and
builder's license and developed quite a
466
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:47,710
number of projects, probably over 1 ,400
at different acres in South Carolina.
467
00:32:52,170 --> 00:32:58,050
I met Jerry when I sold Jerry a piece of
property in a subdivision and ended up
468
00:32:58,050 --> 00:32:59,290
building him a house in the dock.
469
00:32:59,750 --> 00:33:02,350
Then I sold him a couple of lots in
another subdivision.
470
00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:08,570
Right below that sign there are the two
lots that Jacobson owned right here.
471
00:33:09,450 --> 00:33:11,530
I think it's this property here.
472
00:33:13,810 --> 00:33:16,250
I don't know if there's houses on them
now or not.
473
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:20,110
My family.
474
00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:25,800
They're probably not going to be happy
with me sitting here and telling this
475
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:26,800
story.
476
00:33:28,140 --> 00:33:31,480
We were all LDS, which was Latter -day
Saint family.
477
00:33:32,940 --> 00:33:35,720
And I had a high profile in the
community.
478
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,060
You try to live a good life, you try to
do what's right.
479
00:33:40,580 --> 00:33:43,740
Probably one of my biggest regrets being
involved in this McDonald's thing.
480
00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:46,620
Yeah, I shouldn't have been involved in
it.
481
00:33:50,390 --> 00:33:51,390
Yep.
482
00:33:52,970 --> 00:33:59,290
At that time, I was so successful that
one day I jumped on a motor grader
483
00:33:59,290 --> 00:34:03,050
and had an accident.
484
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:08,409
I was backing up the hill when it
stalled out.
485
00:34:11,830 --> 00:34:13,790
And I went into the big pile of rock.
486
00:34:18,350 --> 00:34:19,850
Put me in the hospital 10 days.
487
00:34:20,530 --> 00:34:24,250
And that's when Jerry first let me know
what he did.
488
00:34:25,150 --> 00:34:27,250
And it was quite interesting.
489
00:34:32,090 --> 00:34:38,690
He called me while I was recuperating
from the accident and asked me
490
00:34:38,690 --> 00:34:41,710
if I wanted to ride up the mountain. I
said, you'll have to pull up to the door
491
00:34:41,710 --> 00:34:43,130
because I've got to walk her.
492
00:34:43,530 --> 00:34:46,130
He said, okay. So he pulls up to the
back door.
493
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,260
and we go riding up the mountain.
494
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:57,240
He said that he was representing
McDonald's in the distribution of the
495
00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:58,240
pieces.
496
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,300
He knew I was going through a tough
time, so he offered me a game piece if I
497
00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:04,300
$100 ,000.
498
00:35:04,980 --> 00:35:10,700
I didn't have $100 ,000, so he said,
listen, if you want one, it's $100 ,000.
499
00:35:10,940 --> 00:35:12,240
That's the only way you're going to get
one.
500
00:35:12,730 --> 00:35:16,670
He said, I have the responsibility of
distributing. They tell me where to go.
501
00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:18,550
if you want a game piece, this is how
it's done.
502
00:35:19,770 --> 00:35:21,930
This is the subdivision that we were in.
503
00:35:22,270 --> 00:35:24,170
Traded game pieces, gave him money.
504
00:35:24,410 --> 00:35:26,170
This is a secluded place.
505
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:27,630
Yeah.
506
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:29,650
This is a secluded place.
507
00:35:31,110 --> 00:35:34,830
I knew he was selling the game pieces.
And maybe he was doing something that
508
00:35:34,830 --> 00:35:35,529
would yield.
509
00:35:35,530 --> 00:35:38,250
And I asked him, I said, Jerry, what
happens if...
510
00:35:38,779 --> 00:35:41,840
McDonald's finds out about it. He said,
they're not going to do anything about
511
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:42,779
it. I said, why is that?
512
00:35:42,780 --> 00:35:47,940
He said, because these game pieces
increased their sales by 7 % out of 26
513
00:35:47,940 --> 00:35:48,940
stores.
514
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,840
Factoring in a million -dollar game
piece on that kind of money, $89
515
00:35:53,980 --> 00:35:58,560
$100 million, they didn't care. If
somebody got it, they didn't care if it
516
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,660
in the trash. They didn't care about it.
It was factored in.
517
00:36:01,020 --> 00:36:02,060
That was his story.
518
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:03,320
I bought it.
519
00:36:05,509 --> 00:36:09,670
I did not believe that there was
anything here other than we were
520
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:16,390
game. I don't know if it was the
oxycontin from the accident, but I took
521
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:18,850
on it because I didn't know if I was
ever going to walk again or let him work
522
00:36:18,850 --> 00:36:19,850
again.
523
00:36:20,450 --> 00:36:24,610
I said, you know, I don't have $100
,000, but I might know somebody that
524
00:36:25,590 --> 00:36:29,950
Breakfast, lunch, or dinner, there's
always a line. A Big Mac combo, please.
525
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,340
serving over 13 million McDonald's
customers each year in the U .S.,
526
00:36:36,340 --> 00:36:37,340
that globally.
527
00:36:37,620 --> 00:36:40,720
So you can imagine how rare it is to see
this.
528
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,120
George Chandler of Walhalla just won a
million dollars in the hatch match and
529
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,480
win game right here in West Union.
530
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,240
And Chandler was all smiles.
531
00:36:52,540 --> 00:36:58,980
We bought our breakfast, and I got my
hash browns, coffee, whatever, and
532
00:36:58,980 --> 00:36:59,980
it off.
533
00:37:00,190 --> 00:37:01,330
There it was.
534
00:37:04,090 --> 00:37:10,510
Oh, beautiful for spacious skies, for
535
00:37:10,510 --> 00:37:17,150
amber waves of grain, for purple
mountain
536
00:37:17,150 --> 00:37:24,110
majesties. Come on over here, girls.
Across the fruited
537
00:37:24,110 --> 00:37:28,630
plain, America, come on.
538
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,940
God shed his grace on thee.
539
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,180
Just like that.
540
00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:38,880
See, they like it.
541
00:37:39,740 --> 00:37:42,700
From sea to shining sea.
542
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,220
We should have brought some more feed,
shouldn't we, girls?
543
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,440
I'm a pretty lucky guy.
544
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,860
It's not within my personal capacity to
have achieved a lot of things I've been
545
00:37:55,860 --> 00:37:56,860
able to do in life.
546
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,180
I don't know, you know, they say God
looks after...
547
00:38:01,750 --> 00:38:06,250
Fools and children, I don't know which
category I fall into, but it's one of
548
00:38:06,250 --> 00:38:07,250
them.
549
00:38:10,670 --> 00:38:12,290
All right, where do we go from here?
550
00:38:15,970 --> 00:38:17,150
I'm George Chandler.
551
00:38:17,710 --> 00:38:20,110
I grew up in abject poverty.
552
00:38:20,650 --> 00:38:26,070
I was raised Mormon, one of eight kids,
and we grew up here in rural Oconee
553
00:38:26,070 --> 00:38:30,010
County, South Carolina, and we were
poor. I didn't have running water until
554
00:38:30,010 --> 00:38:31,010
1986.
555
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,660
So, I mean, we're not talking about
ancient history here. We're talking
556
00:38:34,660 --> 00:38:40,300
1986. Most people running water at that
point in time. We were still using a
557
00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:41,500
well. What do you think?
558
00:38:41,780 --> 00:38:46,160
Dwight was very successful. He had a
family. He had five kids.
559
00:38:46,380 --> 00:38:52,220
I became friends with his son. When I
was about 12, I left home.
560
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:57,340
Dwight Baker was a foster father to me
for a time.
561
00:38:58,660 --> 00:39:03,060
Well, George and I, I mean, originally
we went to church together, families.
562
00:39:03,420 --> 00:39:08,300
So we took him in. We became foster
parents with George, and he grew up with
563
00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:13,860
kids. You know, being in such a big
family and being poor especially, why
564
00:39:13,860 --> 00:39:16,560
I not want to move in with Dwight?
565
00:39:19,140 --> 00:39:24,760
You know, he drove a BMW and, you know,
had those successful characteristics
566
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,820
that I wanted.
567
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:31,630
George has always been highly special.
568
00:39:31,930 --> 00:39:38,570
I mean, he wanted to just absorb
knowledge, absorb anything you could
569
00:39:38,590 --> 00:39:41,670
He knew if he was going to get out, he
needed to work hard.
570
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:46,890
When I was 15 years old, I quit school.
571
00:39:47,330 --> 00:39:52,510
I'd grown a mustache to make me look
older and told some local employers that
572
00:39:52,510 --> 00:39:54,610
was 18, and I immediately went to work.
573
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:57,870
I worked 16 hours a day instead of 8.
574
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,880
That proved to work for me and became an
entrepreneur and got in a lot of
575
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:02,638
different things.
576
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,920
Communications company, septic system
installers, security company, medical
577
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,340
alarm monitoring, industrial
programming, residential rentals,
578
00:40:10,340 --> 00:40:13,020
rentals. I told him I wanted to be a
millionaire by the time I was 25.
579
00:40:16,860 --> 00:40:21,840
So when Dwight came to me with the
ticket, he knew that I was in a position
580
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:27,040
I had some cash to work with. I mean,
this is a million -dollar...
581
00:40:27,290 --> 00:40:33,270
winning ticket, and he's got it in a
Ziploc sandwich bag that's not even
582
00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:40,150
And he lays it down on my desk, and I
take it out, look at it. I mean, it just
583
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:43,910
says $1 million winner. Call 1 -800
-whatever.
584
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:49,790
I said, George, a friend of mine got
this $1 million game piece from
585
00:40:49,790 --> 00:40:53,890
and I said, he's going through a
divorce. I said, he offered to sell it
586
00:40:58,010 --> 00:41:04,590
Because he's going through a divorce,
and he doesn't think the ticket should
587
00:41:04,590 --> 00:41:09,730
considered marital property with
Dwight's friend. I didn't know this guy
588
00:41:09,730 --> 00:41:11,430
Adam. You know, never met him.
589
00:41:11,850 --> 00:41:17,730
But I had already gone through a very
bitter divorce myself, so I felt like it
590
00:41:17,730 --> 00:41:18,850
was a legitimate concern.
591
00:41:19,530 --> 00:41:21,090
I mean, he was already separated.
592
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:24,560
It wasn't like he had this while he was
happily married.
593
00:41:25,420 --> 00:41:29,480
Why did you think you'd have to tell a
divorce story instead of just telling
594
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:30,480
what Jerry told you?
595
00:41:31,460 --> 00:41:38,260
Well, because I didn't want him to know
I was involved in
596
00:41:38,260 --> 00:41:45,200
it, you know, in something that wasn't
real, that had a tint
597
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:50,380
of... I knew Jerry was doing something
wrong.
598
00:41:51,290 --> 00:41:54,230
Just probably didn't feel like it was
the right thing to do for me to be
599
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:58,250
involved in it, you know. But, yeah, I
did it out of expediency maybe.
600
00:41:58,710 --> 00:42:04,570
And I just tried to protect him from the
truth of it.
601
00:42:05,090 --> 00:42:08,870
Because, you know, if it did backfire
and it wasn't going, you know, wasn't
602
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:13,210
right, I mean, he didn't need to have
any knowledge of anything, you know. I
603
00:42:13,210 --> 00:42:15,050
mean, I took that all on my shoulders.
604
00:42:19,130 --> 00:42:23,390
Basically asked me, you know, would I be
interested in buying the ticket from
605
00:42:23,390 --> 00:42:27,270
him and then redeeming it. I mean,
everybody was collecting the tickets.
606
00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:30,210
They're buying and selling these tickets
on the Internet.
607
00:42:30,430 --> 00:42:35,190
Not million -dollar winners, but
certainly prize -winning tickets, and
608
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:37,290
match up like Boardwalk and Park Place.
609
00:42:37,850 --> 00:42:41,410
I told Goliath, I said, you know, I'd
probably do $100 ,000.
610
00:42:42,270 --> 00:42:45,030
You win $50 ,000 a year for 20 years.
611
00:42:45,570 --> 00:42:48,250
Of course, now I had to pay taxes on
this money.
612
00:42:48,590 --> 00:42:53,130
So I had to figure that in my mind. But
I felt like somewhere along about the
613
00:42:53,130 --> 00:42:57,230
third year, I would start again. So it
wasn't a tremendously immediately
614
00:42:57,230 --> 00:43:01,290
beneficial thing. It wasn't like I was
just going to get this huge pile of
615
00:43:01,290 --> 00:43:02,290
money.
616
00:43:02,350 --> 00:43:05,610
But it was nonetheless still a good
business deal.
617
00:43:06,990 --> 00:43:07,990
So I did it.
618
00:43:11,330 --> 00:43:13,170
We were up on Dwight's phone.
619
00:43:13,710 --> 00:43:17,690
And then we start to figure out, okay,
is there anything with this person,
620
00:43:17,810 --> 00:43:22,190
George Chandler? Yeah, there might be
something there. Many times we thought,
621
00:43:22,270 --> 00:43:25,670
well, how much bigger can this get? And
it would get bigger. How much further
622
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:27,970
back could it go? And it would go back
further.
623
00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:31,450
I had never seen anything like that and
still haven't.
624
00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:45,860
What Jerry did with other people, as far
as the money goes, I don't know.
625
00:43:52,540 --> 00:43:56,220
Back to my knowledge, all of mine, I
believe, were $50 ,000.
626
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,360
I mean, you go down this list.
627
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,360
I had one, two, three, four, eight,
nine, ten winners.
628
00:44:03,940 --> 00:44:10,700
Out of giving away $10 million, I made
$10 million. $614
629
00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:14,360
,000. So, how stupid am I?
630
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:23,740
Then we come to Michael Hoover,
631
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,700
August 2001.
632
00:44:29,260 --> 00:44:33,880
Michael Hoover was one of the most
generous people you ever met. Just a
633
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:34,959
great friend.
634
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,940
Just real easy going, nothing bothered
him.
635
00:44:39,150 --> 00:44:40,390
Sold a lot of drugs.
636
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:43,790
That's how we became friends.
637
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:51,650
I used to go out to Vegas back in the
70s, and Mike was a dealer.
638
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:58,750
I called him. I says, you know, I got
something that you might be interested
639
00:44:58,830 --> 00:45:04,590
I picked up the ticket from Jerry in
Atlanta, and so I went up there and gave
640
00:45:04,590 --> 00:45:05,590
him the ticket.
641
00:45:08,740 --> 00:45:12,680
He claimed the ticket, and they did the
filming with the commercial.
642
00:45:12,940 --> 00:45:14,660
This is where I lost my People magazine.
643
00:45:15,580 --> 00:45:18,700
Glad that after the beach I stopped and
picked up another one.
644
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,260
I remember him calling me saying, this
production company that did the
645
00:45:22,260 --> 00:45:26,680
commercial, he said, this girl is really
hot. I think she really liked me. I
646
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:27,658
said, oh, great.
647
00:45:27,660 --> 00:45:29,560
I didn't think nothing of it.
648
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,260
In the Y room, we're listening to some
of those phone calls to Hoover.
649
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,380
And, of course, Gloan was on the other
side, I think, going, really?
650
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:40,840
What does she look like?
651
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,460
I think all of the winners thought I
really liked them.
652
00:45:44,860 --> 00:45:48,040
You know, that's the kind of person I
am. You know, I was interviewing them
653
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,960
a friend, so it was my job to make sure
that they felt comfortable.
654
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,700
She was thick to her stomach. That was
her reaction. She goes, what?
655
00:45:58,980 --> 00:46:02,580
How could he ever get that vibe?
656
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,080
I guess she wasn't.
657
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,000
I guess I'm a better actress than I
thought I was, you know.
658
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:23,400
I've been a lot of places, met a lot of
people, even been as far away as North
659
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,600
Carolina one time.
660
00:46:27,180 --> 00:46:29,500
But I've never.
661
00:46:30,250 --> 00:46:35,910
been to a place you know where the
people the hospitality the
662
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:37,630
all that are as good as they are here
663
00:46:37,630 --> 00:46:44,750
you
664
00:46:44,750 --> 00:46:51,270
really find out who your friends are
when you're down and i've never had the
665
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:55,890
opportunity with some of those people to
give them the entire story
666
00:47:06,380 --> 00:47:10,000
to tell them exactly why I'm innocent.
667
00:47:12,140 --> 00:47:15,920
This is the McDonald's where it all
happened.
668
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:22,320
There was a press conference and a
party, and real Ronald McDonald was
669
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,040
It was kind of surreal.
670
00:47:29,710 --> 00:47:32,810
I said, Mom, I want a million dollars. I
said, who is it?
671
00:47:33,050 --> 00:47:34,950
He said, Mom, it's real.
672
00:47:35,250 --> 00:47:41,150
I didn't think he was serious. I was
like, you're not serious.
673
00:47:41,550 --> 00:47:45,630
As a single father to 8 -year -old
Russell, George Chandler says he'll use
674
00:47:45,630 --> 00:47:47,030
winnings to help raise his son.
675
00:47:47,610 --> 00:47:50,950
He'll get $50 ,000 a year for the next
20 years.
676
00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:52,690
It wasn't an immediate thing.
677
00:47:53,830 --> 00:47:58,870
Ultimately... It had done a lot more
harm than good. I already run a business
678
00:47:58,870 --> 00:48:04,390
town, and I was surrounded by this
notion that I was a millionaire now. I
679
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:08,010
need to work. I didn't need any new
customers.
680
00:48:08,810 --> 00:48:13,930
I mean, I had to put out $100 ,000, my
own money, you know, for this thing.
681
00:48:14,990 --> 00:48:18,170
And I had no question whatsoever.
682
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:23,820
about the authenticity or legitimacy of
the ticket or the origination.
683
00:48:24,140 --> 00:48:27,360
You know, that never occurred to me.
We're talking about Dwight Baker.
684
00:48:28,740 --> 00:48:32,140
I didn't take any cut out of the money,
okay? It was all Jerry's.
685
00:48:32,980 --> 00:48:36,480
I told him, I said, George, listen, I
said, you just give me a navigator and a
686
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:42,280
laptop and we'll be happy, you know? I
didn't want George to think bad of me
687
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,280
actually having a little larceny in my
heart, you know?
688
00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:50,720
I didn't want a whole lot. I just wanted
a little laptop and a navigator.
689
00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:57,160
Then I went to Ronnie Huey and offered
it to him.
690
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,440
That's how my greed kicked in.
691
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:03,820
Ronnie was just a high roller.
692
00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:08,120
And Ronnie was going through the fourth,
and he said, I'll take two or three of
693
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,120
those.
694
00:49:13,580 --> 00:49:15,720
That was probably the real...
695
00:49:17,580 --> 00:49:22,420
Where I really stepped over the boundary
was when Ronnie said, you know, I'll
696
00:49:22,420 --> 00:49:23,900
take one or two or three of them.
697
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,580
And I knew he could.
698
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,020
And I remember Jerry telling me, he
said, you're getting a little greedy,
699
00:49:32,020 --> 00:49:33,020
you?
700
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,740
Each time was a little different.
701
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,920
From Ronnie Huey, I got a lifeline or
two.
702
00:49:44,310 --> 00:49:49,510
Jerry, he brought me fries and a drink,
and it had the game pieces on it, you
703
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:52,650
know. And I'd pay him in a brown
McDonald's bag.
704
00:49:53,370 --> 00:49:55,910
Cash in the McDonald's bag, money.
705
00:50:01,330 --> 00:50:05,590
Did Jerry at any point ever tell you how
he actually got the tickets?
706
00:50:05,870 --> 00:50:06,870
Never asked him.
707
00:50:07,870 --> 00:50:11,790
You know, Jerry used to say all the
time, this is going to be the last one.
708
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:13,860
This is going to be the last one.
709
00:50:14,580 --> 00:50:19,900
And then one time he said, there's going
to be a $5 million prize that they're
710
00:50:19,900 --> 00:50:20,578
going to give.
711
00:50:20,580 --> 00:50:21,960
You take that one.
712
00:50:23,380 --> 00:50:27,140
And I don't know how we were going to
split it, but he said, then that's it.
713
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,080
We'll ride into the sunset and forget
it.
714
00:50:30,780 --> 00:50:31,780
You know, so.
715
00:50:34,860 --> 00:50:38,500
Jerry was, he was very private, very
secretive.
716
00:50:39,060 --> 00:50:40,780
I mean, he never talked about anything.
717
00:50:41,550 --> 00:50:43,170
Staying with anybody else.
718
00:50:44,930 --> 00:50:46,730
I knew he just found the game pieces.
719
00:50:48,070 --> 00:50:49,730
But I didn't know to what degree.
720
00:50:53,170 --> 00:50:56,930
Jerry told me, he said, listen, there
was a half a million dollar game piece
721
00:50:56,930 --> 00:51:02,510
worth of McDonald's. If you won $500
,000 check cash, you wouldn't have to
722
00:51:02,510 --> 00:51:04,560
50. A few thousand a year.
723
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:11,620
And I wanted it. And so I made
arrangements with my wife's sister,
724
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,360
And I said, cash that check and we'll
split it.
725
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:23,300
I thought it would have been a tough
sell, you know. But it wasn't.
726
00:51:24,540 --> 00:51:30,420
We created an address for her in
Asheville, North Carolina.
727
00:51:30,820 --> 00:51:32,260
She turned into Game Peace.
728
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,140
We didn't talk for a while, but time had
lapsed.
729
00:51:36,940 --> 00:51:43,100
There was no reason for her to have not
been paid on the game, Peter.
730
00:51:43,820 --> 00:51:48,820
I said, I'm going to go up to Asheville
and see what's going on. And I went up
731
00:51:48,820 --> 00:51:55,820
there, and the damn FedEx thing had been
opened and fallen on the floor. And I
732
00:51:55,820 --> 00:51:57,040
said, she's got the damn money.
733
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,830
Brenda? decided that she was going to
keep all the money, run with the money.
734
00:52:06,810 --> 00:52:11,530
That scared the shit out of me because I
knew Jerry wouldn't be very damn happy.
735
00:52:12,830 --> 00:52:17,550
Jerry told me if there was a problem,
I'd get a visit from his cousin, Guido.
736
00:52:18,130 --> 00:52:19,830
And I took that pretty serious.
737
00:52:22,910 --> 00:52:25,490
Went to my wife and I said, she's
running with the money.
738
00:52:26,530 --> 00:52:30,430
And that's what really hooked her in.
That's where she got a problem.
739
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:32,720
She looked at it at her money.
740
00:52:34,660 --> 00:52:36,200
Did you try to stop her?
741
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:39,480
Yeah.
742
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:50,360
And my wife could not stay off the
telephone.
743
00:52:54,280 --> 00:53:00,300
Dwight Baker made a phone call to Brenda
Phoenix and for whatever reason didn't
744
00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:06,700
quite, Disconnect the phone, which we
were still monitoring, and it was like
745
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:08,500
having a bug in their car.
746
00:53:09,060 --> 00:53:15,800
So inside the wire room, we're hearing
how Brenda Phoenix was running around
747
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,960
Indianapolis airport, and Dwight was
looking to bury her somewhere.
748
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,200
They're saying...
749
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,120
You know, he's following her to the
airport.
750
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,960
He says he's going to kill her. There
was a lot of concern on that. What are
751
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,980
going to do if they are, in fact, really
going to harm her?
752
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:37,120
We would obviously have to intervene,
but that would have serious consequences
753
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:38,120
for the investigation.
754
00:53:38,660 --> 00:53:41,960
One little slip -up, you know, could
shut it down.
755
00:53:46,940 --> 00:53:50,380
To me, Dwight was a man of integrity and
character.
756
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,560
It just did not occur to me that he
would do something like that.
757
00:53:58,300 --> 00:54:01,300
If you can't be trusted, what do you
have?
758
00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:05,100
Okay, George.
759
00:54:08,100 --> 00:54:09,360
Let's have fun, y 'all.
760
00:54:10,140 --> 00:54:11,920
She got Rondo.
761
00:54:36,340 --> 00:54:40,720
Because it's an airport, everything is
monitored live. It's a public place, and
762
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:45,440
we had people on scene there watching
the cameras, agents who just can blend
763
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,600
in the crowd at the airport, ready to
take action.
764
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,980
You know, in a lot of cases, really bad
things happen.
765
00:55:17,780 --> 00:55:18,900
Things go wrong.
766
00:55:19,260 --> 00:55:20,420
They always do.
767
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,820
I didn't have a clue that they were on
to this case.
768
00:56:32,300 --> 00:56:33,300
Nothing.
769
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:38,920
The initial stage was the indictment of
the first aid.
770
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,660
The arrests were scheduled to all go
down at the same time.
771
00:56:43,060 --> 00:56:45,680
I'm going to get my guy before anybody
else.
772
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,080
I mean, we immobilized quick.
773
00:56:48,780 --> 00:56:52,020
He was behind a fortress.
774
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,980
Oh, God. I'm going to ram this car
through the front gate.
775
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:57,440
I ran.
776
00:56:57,870 --> 00:56:59,790
And I kicked the door open.
777
00:57:01,250 --> 00:57:06,390
Does anybody ever knew how close this
was just to blowing up?
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