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If you were around back in the 90s,
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you heard it everywhere.
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The game Monopoly is back at McDonald's,
bigger and better than ever. This year,
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there's more prizes than ever.
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McDonald ran the Monopoly game.
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For years.
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Hey, collect the right game pieces and
win two million dollars.
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But no one knew the truth about the game
being played.
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No one.
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People everywhere are winning me.
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The McDonald's prizes could be cars,
boats, $100 ,000, up to the million
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dollars.
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But from 1989 to 2001, there were almost
no
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legitimate winners of the high -value
game pieces in the McDonald's Monopoly
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game.
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I mean, how crazy bullshit is that?
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It's me.
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Jacksonville FBI had a little bit of a
reputation of being a sleepy hollow
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retirement office.
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There was a slower attitude there, very
undersized, a fraction of a
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Miami or an Atlanta or something like
that spread very thin.
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At the time, in 2001, I supervised a
squad of approximately 12 agents charged
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with investigating white -collar crime,
bank fraud, health care fraud, public
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corruption.
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Even before I got there, I kept hearing
about this legendary guy, Rick Dent, mid
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-career senior agent, and his partner,
Doug Matthews, a newly assigned agent to
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the division.
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I'm Special Agent Matthews. When you
pull Jacksonville as an officer going
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know what I heard was, good luck with
that.
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For big cases, man, you're like duct
taping stuff together just because you
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to make it happen.
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That's the type of division you were in.
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I was lucky to link up with Rick Dent
early on and have him as the old guard,
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you know, my training agent.
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He's a mathematician and has about as
much personality as this piece of wood
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right here.
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Very matter of fact. And so he and I
were kind of opposites there.
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You know, I'm always looking for another
fun ride, right?
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If you guys get to Rick Dent, I'm
telling you, he's going to be yes.
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No.
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Don't recall.
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The priority for the FBI at that
particular juncture was health care
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We're working a one - to three -year
type case.
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That's a long time.
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Sometimes I have that ADD thing, the
shinier object or whatever.
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So I see this note in the corner part of
his desk, and all I saw was McDonald's
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Monopoly fraud with a question mark. And
I go, what is that?
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Because I'm bored to death with this
health care garbage, right?
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It's important, but...
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I was ready to move on. I go, is this
the McDonald's Monopoly game?
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He was like, yeah.
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Eventually I was going to get around to
it.
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So what he told me was that there was an
individual who had called in and had
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this story that the Monopoly game was
fixed.
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That was pretty much it.
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I go, give me that damn thing. I'm going
to go check this out.
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I'm seeing the fun meter with that.
Like, that's got to be more fun than
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shit that I'm looking at.
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Dad thought it was just some BS story.
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So, yeah, here, run with this for a
little bit, young man.
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I contacted the source of this call, and
the source gave me
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three names that were previous million
-dollar winners.
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and said, I know this is fixed because
these people are related. They're on the
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family tree somehow with all different
names.
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And the person who's controlling this is
this nebulous name of Uncle Jerry.
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So I come back, like I'm excited, right?
I got the biggest case ever, right? And
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I said, look.
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All million -dollar winners.
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We need to be on this. Screw that health
care. I think I probably said that.
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Screw that health care shit we're
working, right, or something like that.
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Rick, I don't know if that was it, or I
know you would never agree with that.
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But like any senior agent goes, and this
happens even in today's bureau, the new
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young guy goes out and finds a nice
piece of gold. The old agent goes, give
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that back and let me look at this. And
that's about how it was.
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Truth be told, I was a little skeptical.
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You know, fast food, promotional game
fraud was not making any list of
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priorities anywhere.
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I don't think anybody had really even
seen anything like this before.
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So there's always a risk that I turn
these guys loose on this and turns out
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not true and that I've expended
resources.
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But, you know, I think we all realized
if this is true, this is, you know, this
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is big.
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What Rick did was immediately get in
touch.
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with the U .S. Attorney's Office and
Mark Devereaux, because if you don't
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an interest from a prosecutor, you're
wasting your time.
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Devereaux was the go -to guy that
prosecuted all of our white -collar
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If there's a chance this thing can be
indicted and prosecuted, even if it's a
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difficult case, he's going to be the guy
to do it, because he's the guy behind
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the wheel.
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That part of the cell, to get that
prosecutor on, that was a big deal.
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I don't even know if Devereaux knew what
Monopoly game was. I have no idea.
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You know, I think he was a Burger King
guy. I don't know.
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My name's Mark Devereaux, assistant U
.S. attorney for almost 30 years.
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In this case, it was, you know, I don't
know if this is real or I don't know if
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it's just somebody trying to get family
members somehow interviewed and get them
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in trouble.
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But lo and behold, when we received a
list of all
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the winners, we were able to show to
different databases that these
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were related.
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They had family connections.
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In the local Jacksonville area, in my
world, you don't believe in coincidences
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very much, and the chance of having
numerous family members and relatives
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win the game was just astronomical.
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Basically, you've got less of a chance
than you do of getting struck by
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lightning in Florida.
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At that point in time, we knew there was
a problem. How big was that problem?
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We had no idea.
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The information that we were compiling
is that their contest had been infected
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years before we became aware.
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I mean, we're talking, you know,
altogether, potentially hundreds of
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dollars of these prizes. Well, how much
of that is fraud?
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Once Devereux said, yeah.
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I'm interested in this. He's on for
everything, all the strategy sessions.
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Some prosecutors, you see that space,
you know.
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Devereaux, you got no space.
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Right all up in there with you.
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So we start with where could there be
the opportunity to steal the game piece?
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We weren't sure if there was somebody
inside with McDonald's. where that
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was, how many, and how far that went.
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How many suspects do we have? We have to
figure out who makes the cups, who
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makes the fry box, who makes these game
pieces that you would pull off. How many
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people are in this chain?
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There's all kinds of possibilities.
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This could be the driver, the delivery
people, people in the factory, or even
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somebody in corporate at McDonald's.
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We didn't close out anyone.
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So there reached a point where there was
a ton of questions, but it was, I mean,
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very difficult to pursue that further
without putting some action to it. There
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wasn't a lot of like, let me just, you
know, at the time, get on the Internet
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and do something. There wasn't a lot of
that.
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We clearly.
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I had to start somewhere, but without
compromising the case.
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So we needed a source of information on
the inside.
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There was a big decision to be made, and
that was, do we contact McDonald's?
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Because we just ran into a dead end.
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I would sit back going, don't let them
know. I don't want them involved yet.
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too soon.
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But that's me.
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And that was just one little tiny voice,
and I mean tiny when I say that.
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Of course there's a possibility that
somebody in McDonald's is involved or
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about this and is looking the other way,
but that was a risk we were ultimately
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willing to take.
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We didn't want to alert too many people
at McDonald's,
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We contacted their head of global
security, Rob Palm, and told him that it
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probably be best for you to come to
Jacksonville.
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Didn't tell him why.
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Just told him, you have to come and see
us.
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That this was need -to -know only.
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Do not tell anybody you're coming to see
the FBI.
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To keep it quiet.
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McDonald sent three people.
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And I personally picked them up here in
Jacksonville.
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We drove over to the FBI office in the
morning.
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Mostly it was just, welcome to
Jacksonville, this and that.
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Didn't even explain to them what we had.
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We got to the FBI office.
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Took them up to the conference room.
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You know, you're evaluating their body
language or whether they're twitching.
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Are they genuine? Are they legitimate?
Or is there something else going on
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At that point, we did not know if
McDonald's was involved.
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Every organization can have a bad apple.
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This part of the investigation was
extremely boring to me.
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Like, I don't want anything to do with
this.
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Call me when it's over, Rick, right?
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Which was sort of my MO a lot of times.
It's way too slow for me.
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But I was, no, you've got to be here for
that.
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And so I think I showed up. I might have
had a gold suit on.
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I had it in the closet, and I thought,
this is a great opportunity. This is
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a golden fry suit, right?
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Man, when I wore that in there, Mark
Devereaux, if he could have ripped it
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with his hands, he would. He goes, are
you kidding me? But I had a white shirt
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on, right? So I thought I was safe.
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I wasn't.
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Doug has quite a wardrobe.
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And there he is sitting there. And lo
and behold, he looks like he's a manager
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of a McDonald's.
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They thought it was cool.
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I'm kidding.
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So when you're there in that meeting,
very tense.
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I went up to a whiteboard and started
putting names down.
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And I asked, do you recognize the names?
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No, sir.
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All these people are winners on your
promotional games.
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And then I started drawing lines of...
family connections and relationships.
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Devereux's putting it right on the
whiteboard there. What did you know
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know this.
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Brothers, sisters, cousins, mother,
daughter, that type thing.
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This person is married to this person's
daughter.
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And the names, the last names were all
different.
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And I remember it was literally jaws on
the table.
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They just could not believe it.
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Even though we...
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had it look like our corporate victim
here of McDonald's, are they truly a
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victim? I mean, there's always that.
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And so there was more information there
that I would have probably put out
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there. Certainly enough for them to be,
wow, we have an issue.
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Everybody agreed that we needed to keep
this circle of individuals that had this
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knowledge to the absolute minimum.
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You know, Debra was doing most of the
talking, as he usually does, and it just
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seemed like this meeting just took
forever.
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I don't even know if I was hungry. I
might have been hungry twice in that
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meeting.
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Proving this case historically, which is
what we traditionally did in white
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collar cases, where you rely on
paperwork, you rely on witness
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rely on bank statements, was going to be
very difficult.
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I mean...
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almost monumental.
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So we would, in this case, have to think
outside the box.
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And then we find out that they were on
the cusp of running another game.
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It was kind of a perfect fit because we
were looking to doing something
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proactively to essentially catch people
in the act.
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We told them the only way to identify
this criminal enterprise
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was to have them run a game.
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knowing that there is fraud somewhere
involved in this.
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We have this. We're going forward. We
want your help. If the answer is no,
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nothing happens.
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My name is Rob Holm, Director of Global
Security for McDonald's.
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Our brand is throughout the world.
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37 ,000 restaurants in 120 countries.
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So it's a big responsibility.
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When I first learned about our Monopoly
game being compromised, I was shocked.
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I was utterly shocked.
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How in the world could this have
happened?
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More importantly, was anybody from
McDonald's a part of this?
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The FBI wanted to run the promotion
knowing that it was rigged.
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I was hesitant to do that.
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Obviously concerned that if this game is
rigged, customers are not even going to
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get a chance to win the million dollars.
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I think we were naive to think that they
would agree right then and there and
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we'd be off to, you know.
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off and running these promotions were of
everything mcdonald's one of the bright
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spots you know i remember the mad cow
and at that time mcdonald's was you know
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struggling with some image things
concern over britain's so -called mad
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disease spread late today to mcdonald's
restaurants first mad cow now this
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mcdonald's and you mcdonald's and you
sharing The
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most important thing for McDonald's is
their brand name. They're a family
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restaurant that can be trusted.
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Their golden arches are part of America.
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They have to
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protect that.
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And so if it's on the 6 o 'clock news
and the national news.
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that McDonald's games are a fraud. They
could suffer irreparable damage to their
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good name.
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I wasn't in their meetings, but I would
bet dollars to donuts that there were a
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few people that said, we can't do this,
shut it off, and nobody ever finds out
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about this.
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They wanted this big meeting.
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And so we went out there to Illinois at
their headquarters. They got, like,
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great coffee.
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Inside, when you walk in their place and
you're waiting on them.
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I mean, anyway, I know that's a side.
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At that time, we weren't sure which way
they were going to go. That was a heck
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of a decision.
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There were so many what ifs.
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What if it's somebody within our own
company, a traitor? We've got a problem.
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They needed to find that out.
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Because if they had just shut down, it
may have continued.
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Look how many people have been playing
that thing, and they're going to find
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we didn't help burn this down?
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McDonald's knew they had a ticking bomb.
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Making that call was something that we
took seriously.
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Our worry all along was that this could
be leaked out publicly.
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So it was not an easy decision, but
ultimately we owed it to our customers
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the right thing, which is to run the
game one more time.
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We absolutely knew that if we didn't get
this right, we're not getting another
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opportunity. It's not like, don't worry,
we'll run this again next month. We
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knew that at best we had this one shot
to move our investigation.
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From that point, it was literally
McDonald's. Tell us how this program
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But McDonald's makes French fries and
hamburgers and milkshakes and apple
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They don't make marketing. They
outsourced it. They hired a marketing
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Diamond Marketing.
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Simon Marketing actually produced and
came up with the Happy Meal toys back in
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the 80s. Your kids will love McDonald's
Happy Meal. It's food and fun in a box.
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The Happy Meal is going to increase your
business, but it's for the children.
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I've got a Happy Meal. They wanted a
promotion for the adult.
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I'm Richard White. I started at Simon
Marketing in 1981.
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The game Monopoly has come to life at
McDonald's. The Monopoly game, we
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that game, and it was running once a
year. A $2 million grand prize.
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Play Monopoly.
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It was a ridiculous amount of increase
in McDonald's business, like 40 % when
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ran the game. People loved collecting.
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The Monopoly promotion is much like the
Monopoly game you would have at home.
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Customers try to match game pieces, like
a boardwalk.
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and Park Place.
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They had their cards, and it'd be full,
but they'd be missing the piece, the
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piece, the piece, the piece, the piece,
because those were the winning pieces.
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There was low -value pieces that you
could win, food items, beverages, and
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some of the high -value pieces, homes,
vehicles, and the million dollars.
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So they were after that million -dollar
winner. People like chance games.
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Any game we did for McDonald's always
increased their business. We actually
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Scrabble one year. Got to where they
started doing it twice a year.
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How are we going to get our sales back
up?
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Let's run Monopoly again.
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There were very specific rules for how
you could obtain the game piece.
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One of the ways was that you could just
walk in and ask for free to get a game
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piece. because otherwise it was
gambling.
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How else can you get the game piece?
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You could go in and buy a food product,
and you could get the game piece out of
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some of the magazines.
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Nowhere in the game rules does it say, I
can get a game piece from Uncle Jerry.
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With a significant case, an undercover
operation, or something that involves a
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lot of people, you could give it a name.
So we had a contest to come up with a
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name among the squad.
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Some of the names, Operation Unhappy
Meal, Ball and Arches.
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I think there were a few playing on the
Hamburglar, something about stale fries.
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I don't think we sent that one up to
headquarters for approval. I think
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more rational minds prevailed.
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The new promotional game was called Who
Wants to Be a Millionaire? to match up
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with the TV show. If you remember the TV
show, they asked, is that your final
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answer? Final answer? Final answer. So
that ultimately became the name of this
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operation.
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Game time. Kickoff has started. We're in
the game.
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At the time, I was always looking for an
undercover angle, even though I was
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being told, you don't want that, you
don't want that. You know, I was always
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asking, what about this one, what about
this one? Go get the bad guy, right? I
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wanted to burn down the criminal
enterprise.
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Maybe it's the accountant in him or this
Walter Mitty complex, but this was the
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opportunity to, you know, be an
undercover agent, even before we...
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could articulate the need to do any kind
of undercover, that there was always
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this, you know, somehow, someway we've
got to do an undercover in this thing.
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Every single meeting, I'm the one over
there going, undercover investigation,
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undercover investigation.
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I didn't think anybody was listening. As
a matter of fact, I think a couple of
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them started out with Matthews. I don't
want to hear anything about an
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undercover investigation.
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Just sit over there and listen.
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Rick always coined that I was the...
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George Costanza, because Seinfeld was
big back then.
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All right!
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That's it for me!
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You're good, everybody!
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I'd come in, I'd say, undercover, and
I'm gone. I was out.
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You could kind of let him run with
things a little bit and then bring him
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to reality.
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Okay, yeah, that's great, Doug. By the
way, I still need that FD -302, you
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promised me. So why don't you go get
that done, and then we'll talk about
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undercover work.
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So we get the call from McDonald's that
this guy, Michael Hoover, a winner, had
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claimed the latest prize.
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So we had the advantage of knowing this
person's name and were able to do a
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little bit of preliminary background.
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I think he worked as a pit boss at a
casino.
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So I guess he would have been familiar
with gambling and sweepstakes and
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whatnot.
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Rick wanted to try to do the wiretap.
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It's called a Title III investigation.
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The wiretap investigation got up, and
you're sitting, you're not doing
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and that's a boring situation for me. I
don't know how many poems I can write on
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a piece of paper to get through it.
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So I said, look, what do you think about
this? When you win, part of your
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signing up as a winner is to say, hey,
I'm okay with using my face in the big
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check or whatever it is for future
promotions.
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So I saw that as an opportunity. Let's
use that as a platform for us.
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I said, I think this is a great
opportunity for an undercover
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where we do this TV commercial of the
winners, like Publishers Clearinghouse,
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jumping up, telling us how they won
these and what they did with it, that
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of thing, so we can do that with Hoover.
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You know, we're the production company.
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That's how this could roll.
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He's like, Matthew, who's going to do
this? Are you going to do it? Because
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not doing it. And I said, yeah, I'm
going to do it. He goes, well, you don't
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know anything about that.
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And I said, I'm going to be the director
because they don't do shit.
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And then I'm going to get McDonald's to
give me their public relations. That's
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all I said.
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And Rick goes, wait a minute.
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If we're going to do anything, we're
going to need SAC authority.
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I'm Tom Kinnear. I was the special agent
in charge of the Jacksonville office of
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the FBI.
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In each office, you have the SAC for the
office. That's the special agent in
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charge. And then you have squads.
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Most of the contact is usually with the
squad supervisor.
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But this was a particular case that I
had a lot of hands -on with Chris and
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everybody that worked on that case.
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Doug was almost brand new at the time,
and he'd been given a badge, a gun, and
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some credentials, and now he's got a
Superman cape, right?
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Away he goes.
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So the next day, I think I was called,
and they said, hey, you need to come up
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here. When you hear your name, Matthews,
to the SAC's office, never good.
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Never, ever good. And everybody knows,
it's like the walk of shame to the
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elevators or whatever.
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Oh, shit, Matthews. I hope you still
have a paycheck.
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Because they all know it's bad.
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And so I come in, and it's SAC, Kinnear,
CDC, the Chief Division Counsel, Rick
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Dent, Graham, in this room about this
size. It's small.
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And they all, like, turn and look at me,
and I'm like, and I go, I'm sorry.
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That's all I said.
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And Rick goes,
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you know, I think this might work.
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He's going to do it.
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And that right then is probably, if I
was ever, like, concerned about, I don't
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know, man, this might get somewhere. You
know, whenever you be careful what you
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ask for thing. Maybe that was the moment
for me. But it quickly passed, and I
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was back in.
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We didn't have a lot of undercover
agents in Jacksonville.
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You know, you could call headquarters
and say, hey, you know, we need an
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undercover agent down here.
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Well, he's not available for three
weeks.
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And so we just kind of rolled the dice
and said, you know what, Doug is a
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bit of an actor anyway, so I guess
that's when my hair turned white.
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No.
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Being an undercover agent, it's not just
something you raise your hand and
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decide to do. You know, there's a
stringent process of school, testing,
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these things that... didn't exactly mesh
with Doug's concept of being
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undercover. You know, he wanted to get
right up there on stage.
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He was not a certified undercover.
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But for a specific case, you can get
what they call SAC authority to do
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undercover work, and that's what Doug
Matthews did just for that specific
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My name's Janet Pellicciotti, and I was
a special agent for the FBI in the
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Jacksonville Division.
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I was our undercover coordinator also,
and I tried to get him to become an
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undercover agent because he was a
natural.
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Undercover was like acting, only it's
real. You know, you sit there and
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a real threat and somebody could harm
you.
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They could really harm you.
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The Jacksonville Division, if you talk
to Agent Pellicciotti, is a small
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division that didn't do a lot of this.
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This is basically like your one shot to
go undercover.
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Right, so I got to do all the fun and
not have to go through all the bullshit.
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Yeah, just make it happen. That's what
it was.
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Hey, Matthew, just make it happen. I'm
thinking to myself, one, my God, really?
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And then two is weak.
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He wanted to be thrown into the lion's
den, and he wouldn't have gotten it if
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the SAC did not feel he could handle
himself.
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So they got some undercovers, you know,
to act as a film crew.
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My name is Jan Garvin, and I was
videographer.
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When I answered his call, he said,
you're going to love this.
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Not, hey, Jan, how's it going?
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You're going to love this.
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And after he explained what it was, it
was like, okay, we can do this.
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And yeah, I'm going to love it.
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We needed to put together what appears
to be a legitimate production company, a
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video person, an audio person, a
director, and an interviewer.
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I'd go, yeah, I need one just to act
like they're the lighting person or
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whatever. Nobody needs to see that
you're Bureau, right? So give me
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that's not stupid.
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Because, you know, we don't know Jack,
right? In my mind, I just thought, you
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know, just get on the stage and
everything will be fine. He'll just roll
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through.
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With any production company and any good
undercover operation, you need a good
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name. And in this case, we came up with
Shamrock Productions,
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which is good, but I always liked the
Bible because you're just lucky.
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That was good.
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We thought about having everybody in
this undercover operation be...
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FBI personnel that legitimately tried to
make that happen. It just, the way that
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this scenario had to run, you needed
somebody inside McDonald's with that
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background that would be hard to fake.
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My name's Amy Murray.
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I've been with McDonald's for 22 years.
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The FBI investigation happened 17 years
ago, and it's been years since I've
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talked to anyone. So, in fact, I don't
really tell the story that much because,
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you know, how do you drop into
conversation that you're part of an FBI
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investigation?
454
00:34:11,070 --> 00:34:13,790
Back in 2001, I was in the
communications department.
455
00:34:14,830 --> 00:34:18,949
I had only been working on Monopoly and
games for about six months.
456
00:34:20,969 --> 00:34:26,050
My boss's boss called me into his office
and he was like, Amy, the FBI has
457
00:34:26,050 --> 00:34:27,050
contacted us.
458
00:34:27,130 --> 00:34:33,770
They've told us that the game pieces are
being stolen and that the entire game
459
00:34:33,770 --> 00:34:36,429
may be compromised by a criminal ring.
460
00:34:37,070 --> 00:34:40,330
And if you can imagine, I was completely
shocked.
461
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:44,530
You know, I felt sick to my stomach.
462
00:34:45,429 --> 00:34:48,190
To break that trust was just
devastating.
463
00:34:49,290 --> 00:34:50,810
How could this possibly happen?
464
00:34:51,110 --> 00:34:55,350
I started thinking back to all the
answers that I've heard from Monopoly
465
00:34:55,350 --> 00:34:59,190
in the past, and it did seem like they
were almost scripted.
466
00:35:00,130 --> 00:35:04,330
Hindsight's 20 -20, and I started to
realize that it did seem like there was
467
00:35:04,330 --> 00:35:05,330
pattern.
468
00:35:05,490 --> 00:35:10,210
You know, I used that word pattern, and
I think that was when the FBI really
469
00:35:10,210 --> 00:35:15,590
said it would be great to talk to Amy
directly since she has so much contact
470
00:35:15,590 --> 00:35:16,590
with the winners.
471
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,720
For a civilian to participate in an
undercover operation doesn't happen much
472
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:29,420
all, for obvious reasons, right? If
something happens, you want people who
473
00:35:29,420 --> 00:35:32,520
professionals that are used to being in
situations like that?
474
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,820
I was a little concerned because I
wanted to make sure that her safety and
475
00:35:36,820 --> 00:35:42,520
security was first and foremost. They
said, Rob, don't worry, she will be
476
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:49,520
We really didn't know how far we would
have to go to help the FBI get evidence.
477
00:35:49,780 --> 00:35:56,660
And yes, there were nerves involved, and
I was nervous, but I was all in.
478
00:35:56,780 --> 00:35:59,520
You know, I wanted to make it right as
fast as possible.
479
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,820
So I would be talking to the FBI
sometimes every day, sometimes twice a
480
00:36:04,940 --> 00:36:08,660
People were intrigued, like, what's this
special project? I just couldn't talk
481
00:36:08,660 --> 00:36:13,880
about this, not to my family, not to my
closest friends, not even to coworkers.
482
00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:20,940
We told a couple people in McDonald's
and then our team. Because we still
483
00:36:20,940 --> 00:36:25,000
know, you've got to remember, like this
investigation, we still didn't know if
484
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,960
anybody was infected through corporate,
right, or who.
485
00:36:29,260 --> 00:36:35,860
So we set up a time for Shamrock
Productions to go up and visit Mr.
486
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,080
Hoover.
487
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:44,300
He had already been in contact with Amy,
and he was very amenable to us coming
488
00:36:44,300 --> 00:36:47,860
by to film this commercial that we were
putting together.
489
00:36:48,180 --> 00:36:53,480
I'll never forget showing up at an
airport in a white van pulled up with
490
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:54,480
the FBI agents.
491
00:36:54,500 --> 00:36:58,340
And, you know, they're like, you know,
hi, Amy. And I was introduced to all of
492
00:36:58,340 --> 00:37:01,280
them. You know, I really had to talk to
Doug about this is what a producer would
493
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,000
do. This is what the cameraman would do.
And I was just playing myself.
494
00:37:07,210 --> 00:37:10,730
So the first time we're going out there,
I think I had like a golf shirt on. I
495
00:37:10,730 --> 00:37:13,870
looked like maybe I'd played nine holes
or something like that.
496
00:37:14,410 --> 00:37:17,370
That's what Amy told me, what a director
looks like. Looks like somebody that's
497
00:37:17,370 --> 00:37:18,550
just come off the golf course.
498
00:37:19,790 --> 00:37:21,350
So I'm excited, right?
499
00:37:21,570 --> 00:37:23,930
But I have a lot of apprehension as
well.
500
00:37:24,850 --> 00:37:29,950
It's the first one. You want it to be
seamless, and you don't know what to
501
00:37:29,950 --> 00:37:30,950
expect.
502
00:37:31,050 --> 00:37:35,310
As an agent, you want to carry a gun and
wear a bulletproof vest.
503
00:37:35,870 --> 00:37:39,230
But in a situation like this, an
undercover operation, that may be too
504
00:37:39,230 --> 00:37:43,610
risk. You can wear an ankle holster and
then you sit down in a chair and
505
00:37:43,610 --> 00:37:44,610
somebody sees it.
506
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:50,450
You had that little extra antenna going
up to make sure you don't say anything
507
00:37:50,450 --> 00:37:55,470
or do anything that would trigger the
suspect to look at you crossways and go,
508
00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:56,550
hmm.
509
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,500
I had butterflies in my stomach. I was
nervous about not wrecking the
510
00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:06,300
investigation. You know, I really wanted
to make sure I did a good job, that I
511
00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:07,660
wasn't causing any suspicion.
512
00:38:08,380 --> 00:38:13,000
It's an adrenaline that happens through
your system. You know, you feel fully
513
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,100
awake and alive.
514
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,240
She was very nervous. And I'm like, you
talk to these people all the time,
515
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,800
right? Well, yeah, but not like this.
And I go, it's not like this. You don't
516
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:24,800
know anything about.
517
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,620
Our investigation, they don't either, so
forget about that.
518
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,720
He's laughing. Like, how am I supposed
to forget about that, right?
519
00:38:31,020 --> 00:38:33,840
And I said, you've got to forget about
that and just do what you normally do.
520
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,460
We're very close to the exit. We know
where it is. Just stay as close as you
521
00:38:40,460 --> 00:38:41,760
because I don't know what to expect.
522
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,480
Any civilian that you bring in, you're
going to tell them we have a team.
523
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:47,980
There's always a team outside.
524
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,740
If anything happens, they'll be there
immediately.
525
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,960
to make sure you're safe and secure.
526
00:38:57,180 --> 00:39:01,920
We have distress calls, things like
that. So if the undercover agent says a
527
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,200
certain word, you know, I feel like a
terrible flu is coming on, something's
528
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,660
really gone wrong, we've got a problem.
529
00:39:08,820 --> 00:39:10,680
And so they went to his home.
530
00:39:12,380 --> 00:39:13,480
They came in.
531
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:20,420
And so you have the FBI agents,
unbeknownst to Mr. Hoover, with the
532
00:39:20,420 --> 00:39:21,420
their shoulder.
533
00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:26,380
If we were set up to record, Pretty much
anything, we would hit the record
534
00:39:26,380 --> 00:39:28,580
button. You never know what you're going
to capture.
535
00:39:29,580 --> 00:39:31,620
Always gold when they don't know it.
536
00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:34,980
The greatest thing in the world about
all this is what?
537
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,140
We had a camera rolling.
538
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,640
Take that to your local bank to cash
there.
539
00:39:45,340 --> 00:39:48,020
What was that? You think you can take
that to your local bank to cash?
540
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:49,240
I got it.
541
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:57,770
Amy, she, you know, worked her
McDonald's magic, and she had all this
542
00:39:57,770 --> 00:40:00,950
popper stuff and a big check.
543
00:40:01,250 --> 00:40:05,010
We never know whenever we get a call
from Amy sort of where we're going to.
544
00:40:05,010 --> 00:40:07,550
always good to find out where she always
takes us to a different area.
545
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:09,230
Good surprise.
546
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:11,830
That's definitely child -proof.
547
00:40:12,510 --> 00:40:13,930
I mean, it's a big check.
548
00:40:14,190 --> 00:40:16,450
I think it was taller than her,
actually.
549
00:40:18,170 --> 00:40:20,130
Everything had to seem very natural.
550
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,060
It had to seem like we had done this a
million times.
551
00:40:23,340 --> 00:40:27,960
We made sure that I always called Doug,
Doug, and not Agent Matthews because it
552
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,140
would have been really bad if suddenly I
was like, Agent Matthews, can you go do
553
00:40:31,140 --> 00:40:38,120
this? Amy was really nervous the whole
time, which was good. It was healthy to
554
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:43,280
be that way. I told her I was too, and I
wasn't lying to her. She's used to
555
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,280
this. I'm not.
556
00:40:44,910 --> 00:40:49,630
Even though I said, oh, I got this,
right? She had no idea that I had never
557
00:40:49,630 --> 00:40:52,650
this before, but I loved it. There's Mr.
Monopoly.
558
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:55,670
All right, all right. He's got to be
sinking in now.
559
00:40:56,010 --> 00:40:58,670
Now for the show, Ronald McDonald, the
official signature.
560
00:41:00,030 --> 00:41:04,310
Doug Matthews could talk to a wall and
get it to respond.
561
00:41:04,650 --> 00:41:08,130
You know, he's got that little bit of a
southern draw and everybody sort of
562
00:41:08,130 --> 00:41:10,830
likes him. He's the, oh, gosh darn, do
you want it?
563
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,300
There was no risk that somebody's going
to think, well, this guy's an FBI agent
564
00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:21,380
and this is an undercover operation. I
mean, nobody, no FBI agent laughs as
565
00:41:21,380 --> 00:41:22,380
as this guy does.
566
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,360
I go, wow, this really looks like
there's had a woman's touch here. I
567
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:33,100
was all this plaid shit, which is
probably why I did it.
568
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:41,220
I said all kinds of stuff. Again, I was
trying to move this out, make everybody
569
00:41:41,220 --> 00:41:44,380
seem real comfortable with uncomfortable
things, which is what I'm good at.
570
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,720
Tell us the story about how you won at
the Monopoly game, everything like that,
571
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:52,658
in your own words.
572
00:41:52,660 --> 00:41:53,660
Okay.
573
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,600
The day started out pretty peaceful. It
was a day off, and I went to the beach
574
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:00,569
for a while.
575
00:42:00,570 --> 00:42:03,490
I ended up actually falling asleep at
the beach.
576
00:42:03,870 --> 00:42:09,530
And when I woke up, the wind had come up
and I was covered with sand, not a lot,
577
00:42:09,550 --> 00:42:10,550
but a little bit of sand.
578
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:14,810
And I picked up my belongings and I
headed down to the water there to kind
579
00:42:14,810 --> 00:42:17,910
wash my legs off with the sand. And I
was a little klutzy.
580
00:42:19,590 --> 00:42:25,530
The People magazine and my towel fell
out of the backpack, fell into the water
581
00:42:25,530 --> 00:42:26,970
and got all wet.
582
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:28,310
I ended up...
583
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,960
throwing those away on the way to the
car.
584
00:42:31,380 --> 00:42:36,860
And then after I was coming home, I
decided to stop and get provisions for
585
00:42:36,860 --> 00:42:42,900
dinner. So I stopped at the McQuaid
supermarket and picked up a few things.
586
00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:45,180
I never got a chance to read the
magazine.
587
00:42:45,660 --> 00:42:48,820
And there it was right there at the
checkout stand, so I bought one.
588
00:42:49,380 --> 00:42:53,360
And when I got home, I was leafing
through it, and we had the McDonald's
589
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,060
Monopoly game.
590
00:42:55,630 --> 00:43:00,090
and it had instant prize winners on it,
or it had the quick pick, whatever you
591
00:43:00,090 --> 00:43:01,250
call them. I don't know what they're
called.
592
00:43:02,990 --> 00:43:06,630
And the first one I peeled off, I
believe, was Pennsylvania Avenue, and
593
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:10,650
second one I peeled off was a million
-dollar instant prize winner. It was
594
00:43:10,690 --> 00:43:11,970
wow, is this for real?
595
00:43:12,370 --> 00:43:18,050
And then I followed the directions and
made the calls and talked to the people.
596
00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:20,500
It was for real.
597
00:43:20,980 --> 00:43:25,440
Amy just used to get in the story. But
for me, I'm putting legs to that. And he
598
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,240
was mentioning some grocery store.
599
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,120
And so I go, which one?
600
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,160
Is it right here? Hey, can you take us
there?
601
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:33,440
He goes, sure.
602
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,980
He's feeding off the energy part.
603
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,580
No, I wasn't about to stop that. That
was great.
604
00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:40,120
It's a field trip, right?
605
00:43:42,140 --> 00:43:43,140
I'm getting calls.
606
00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:44,400
The fuck are you doing?
607
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:45,640
I mean, why? What?
608
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:51,480
This is like, are you, and I go, hey,
Jan, my camera guy, right? Can you get
609
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,140
this? Yeah, I can get it.
610
00:43:56,660 --> 00:44:02,200
Doug struck me as one of the new breed
of agents who thinks outside the box, if
611
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,860
you will, but he was gung -ho from the
get -go.
612
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:13,960
This is where I got the People magazine,
and inside we had the Monopoly game.
613
00:44:14,590 --> 00:44:16,410
with the instant $1 million winner.
614
00:44:16,890 --> 00:44:18,870
And it was great. It was fantastic.
615
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:26,910
He's telling us how he won the prize.
It'll be a kids' magazine type thing,
616
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:30,130
which at the time I didn't even know.
I'm looking at her, I go, really? I
617
00:44:30,130 --> 00:44:31,550
thought you got this off the packages.
618
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:36,810
And Amy's like, did you read any of that
shit I sent you, right? And I go, of
619
00:44:36,810 --> 00:44:39,390
course I did, which I may have glossed
over.
620
00:44:40,050 --> 00:44:42,150
So I go, hey, what'd you do with the
money?
621
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:45,250
Why? Because I wanted to go seize that
stuff, right?
622
00:44:45,570 --> 00:44:50,450
And he's like, I'm buying a boat. And so
I go, what name would you have on the
623
00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:53,570
back of your boat? And he was like,
Ruthless Scoundrel.
624
00:44:54,130 --> 00:44:55,130
One, two, three.
625
00:44:55,490 --> 00:44:57,210
Thanks, McDonald's. Hey.
626
00:44:59,990 --> 00:45:05,410
So I'm reenacting that, right? And I go,
so Michael, you were on the beach?
627
00:45:05,930 --> 00:45:09,090
Yes, and it's right here. It's this
beach. And I go, really?
628
00:45:09,550 --> 00:45:10,550
Take us to it.
629
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,440
And I didn't care what that meant to my
camera guy, right? He's like, are you
630
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,540
kidding me? I got the damn beach.
631
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:24,300
There's always somebody that could
respond tactically if needed. But if
632
00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:29,740
something went south, between the time
something went south and the time they
633
00:45:29,740 --> 00:45:36,480
got there, don't do anything
634
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:37,480
stupid.
635
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,620
Doug, you know, he was a professional,
but he also did like to have fun. So he
636
00:45:44,620 --> 00:45:47,280
loved to tease me and kept me on my
toes.
637
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,380
This is what makes my fun meter go.
638
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,140
Amy's back there going, look at these
shoes. And I'm not looking at shit like
639
00:45:53,140 --> 00:45:56,340
that. Take your high heels. Why are you
wearing high heels anyway? And she's
640
00:45:56,340 --> 00:46:01,040
like, are you? You know, she was getting
on to me about, hey, can you plan this
641
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,080
better? But I didn't know.
642
00:46:02,420 --> 00:46:05,380
Can you get enough sound if he tells the
story one more time?
643
00:46:05,740 --> 00:46:06,740
Do you need it?
644
00:46:07,180 --> 00:46:08,380
We can try. Okay.
645
00:46:09,460 --> 00:46:10,860
Anybody noticing you yet?
646
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:12,520
Not really.
647
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:13,560
Good.
648
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:20,300
When Doug's at the house, it was a
controlled environment.
649
00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:23,140
When you're out in the real world,
there's nothing controlled.
650
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,920
You're always a little worried the
operation in the case could be
651
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,740
This is where I lost my People magazine.
652
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,680
I'm glad that after the beach I stopped
and picked up another one because when I
653
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:41,820
did, I found the McDonald's Monopoly
game, $1 million instant prize winner.
654
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,198
That's great.
655
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,200
Okay, good.
656
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:49,860
Obviously, this was Doug's very first
undercover, and so you'd want to try to
657
00:46:49,860 --> 00:46:54,520
keep him under control, keep him
sedated, so to speak.
658
00:46:54,820 --> 00:46:55,940
They don't make it easy.
659
00:46:56,460 --> 00:46:59,460
So I'm like, man, I got plenty. I got
enough.
660
00:46:59,820 --> 00:47:02,640
Can I do a couple of artsy things real
quick?
661
00:47:04,460 --> 00:47:05,460
Hey.
662
00:47:06,620 --> 00:47:09,700
You know, you stand there smiling, you
know, and you're doing all this artsy
663
00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:15,840
stuff. And then some kid ran up and
grabbed a check to run away with it.
664
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,240
Like, I'm going to let this evidence
just walk?
665
00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:21,880
No way. And I'm trucking down the beach.
666
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,600
And it's like, dude, it's not real.
667
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:26,720
It was bad news.
668
00:47:26,980 --> 00:47:30,680
That's not a good problem to have, being
an undercover agent.
669
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,140
And this guy is hammered. Fortunately,
he's running like in the zigzag, so it's
670
00:47:35,140 --> 00:47:36,140
easy to catch.
671
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,860
This kid, he was like full of sand in
his mouth and crap. And I'm like, dude,
672
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,920
what? Do you see? Like, I don't know
what I'm going to do with all this sand.
673
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:51,740
And he's like, man, I just saw like all
those zeros and dot.
674
00:47:53,230 --> 00:47:56,390
I'm just going to go take it. And I
can't even remember where he wandered
675
00:47:56,450 --> 00:47:58,670
but he was out of there. We never saw
him again.
676
00:48:00,790 --> 00:48:04,510
Sometimes on a case, being lucky is
better than being good.
677
00:48:05,150 --> 00:48:10,530
No ASICs, no nothing. And we still
caught that dude because he was hammered
678
00:48:10,530 --> 00:48:11,269
we were not.
679
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:12,790
And we did get the check back.
680
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,100
It worked great.
681
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,140
Amy was phenomenal.
682
00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:29,080
And I'm like, man, undercover is
awesome.
683
00:48:32,740 --> 00:48:36,940
It turned out it really tickled our wire
up.
684
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,900
Michael Hoover would be on the phones,
which was great because then we were
685
00:48:40,900 --> 00:48:44,240
listening to that and recording it. You
know, again, it got him comfortable. It
686
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:45,680
actually worked. You know, all that
works.
687
00:48:50,700 --> 00:48:55,660
At that time, I was here in Jacksonville
in the, what we call, wire room. We
688
00:48:55,660 --> 00:49:01,620
were listening in for what we hoped to
be a telephone call to this Uncle Jerry.
689
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:06,300
And immediately, there's a phone call by
Mr. Hoover to Mr.
690
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:07,940
Glum down in South Florida.
691
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,980
We were up on three or four phones.
692
00:49:12,260 --> 00:49:14,560
One was this guy, Andrew Glum.
693
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:18,880
Andrew Glum was a guy with a checkered
past.
694
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:23,220
He had previously convicted for some
drug charges on the federal side with
695
00:49:23,220 --> 00:49:24,220
DEA.
696
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:28,680
He had been in a drug trafficking thing.
He was a fugitive for a while,
697
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,900
eventually got arrested. He did some
time.
698
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,180
And so Mr.
699
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:35,620
Hoover had called Mr.
700
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,560
Glum. Ring, ring, ring, ring.
701
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,460
Hello? Yeah, Andy. That's Andy Glum.
702
00:49:42,940 --> 00:49:45,500
Andy, they were here. They believed
everything.
703
00:49:45,780 --> 00:49:50,160
Everything I told them about winning the
ticket on that People magazine.
704
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,960
I was telling them I did this and I did
that.
705
00:49:53,260 --> 00:49:59,160
And at the very same time, I'm on my
cell phone talking to Doug Matthews and
706
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:00,360
telling him, listen to this.
707
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:07,420
The feeling from him on the phone call
was, man, I got them snowed. You know,
708
00:50:07,420 --> 00:50:09,940
was that. It was that. I mean, it was
perfect.
709
00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:11,860
Exactly what you're after.
710
00:50:12,380 --> 00:50:15,980
He's talking, man, you're not going to
believe it. This director asked about
711
00:50:15,980 --> 00:50:20,480
name of my boat. And I said, Ruthless
Scoundrel. And they're just laughing on
712
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:26,080
the phone how funny that was to them
because they knew they had lied and had
713
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:31,120
stolen this money from McDonald's. In
that call, effectively what he's doing
714
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:35,820
confirming beyond any doubt that, you
know, he didn't win it.
715
00:50:38,830 --> 00:50:42,110
It just doesn't get any better than
that. It's like high five.
716
00:50:42,530 --> 00:50:47,570
That was why you get up on these
wiretaps. So we're hearing how they did
717
00:50:50,970 --> 00:50:56,510
At the time, we didn't know how big this
was. We knew of some, but we didn't
718
00:50:56,510 --> 00:50:57,169
know it all.
719
00:50:57,170 --> 00:51:00,810
It was amazing to me how little we did
know.
720
00:51:16,250 --> 00:51:20,630
The spider web of all, like we had this
Uncle Jerry, everything was very
721
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:21,950
general, nebulous.
722
00:51:22,210 --> 00:51:26,110
We still didn't know, you got to
remember, like we still didn't know who
723
00:51:26,110 --> 00:51:28,990
Jerry person was, if they even was a
Jerry.
724
00:51:29,330 --> 00:51:34,590
So all of the newer agents, we were on
the wiretaps to find out more about the
725
00:51:34,590 --> 00:51:35,590
depth of this scheme.
726
00:51:36,350 --> 00:51:41,190
Back then, I was a new agent, and my
first assignment when I was brought in
727
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:42,750
to work the wire.
728
00:51:44,330 --> 00:51:48,370
The Title III has to be monitored full
-time, 24 -7. You hear the phone call,
729
00:51:48,530 --> 00:51:50,630
you grab your headset, you put it on,
you listen to the call.
730
00:51:52,050 --> 00:51:56,730
We're listening in the Y room, and I'm
hearing the name Uncle Jerry thrown
731
00:51:56,730 --> 00:51:57,730
around on the phone.
732
00:51:58,630 --> 00:52:00,110
Uncle Jerry, Uncle Jerry.
733
00:52:00,630 --> 00:52:02,650
You don't want to make Uncle Jerry
upset.
734
00:52:04,050 --> 00:52:09,490
I do remember clearly feeling like I was
in New York and I was listening to a
735
00:52:09,490 --> 00:52:11,210
mobster talking about running.
736
00:52:11,710 --> 00:52:18,530
mafia empire some mafia don because
that's kind of how this guy came off so
737
00:52:18,530 --> 00:52:21,790
had to find uncle jerry i mean how do
you do that
738
00:52:21,790 --> 00:52:29,150
we
739
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:35,750
did an analysis of phone records from
past winners you look for that common
740
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:42,360
number we knew when they won the prizes
what year And we could probably cord it
741
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,560
off to a month, so I think we backed up
two and went forward two.
742
00:52:48,460 --> 00:52:55,000
And we went and pulled the phone numbers
coming in and going out for this period
743
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,000
of time.
744
00:52:59,100 --> 00:53:03,720
Lo and behold, each of their phone
numbers were calling common numbers.
745
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:08,600
We saw the activity heavy coming in
right before.
746
00:53:09,290 --> 00:53:13,670
The prize was awarded, acclaimed, and
then heavy right after, and then
747
00:53:13,970 --> 00:53:16,790
None of them were related. They didn't
know each other.
748
00:53:17,210 --> 00:53:19,710
All were hitting that number.
749
00:53:26,670 --> 00:53:30,630
All these phone calls include one
person,
750
00:53:32,270 --> 00:53:38,550
Jerome Jacobson, also known as Jerry
Jacobson.
751
00:53:38,890 --> 00:53:42,270
the absolute head of security for Simon
Marketing.
752
00:54:40,300 --> 00:54:44,700
There was a wide net of individuals who
were willing to participate in this
753
00:54:44,700 --> 00:54:45,700
fraud scheme.
754
00:54:46,020 --> 00:54:48,840
It got really big, really fast.
755
00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:51,960
There was one nagging question mark.
756
00:54:53,380 --> 00:54:54,680
Who is Uncle Jerry?
757
00:54:55,940 --> 00:54:59,920
We were racking up incredible evidence
and discovering new people.
758
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:05,320
We found out that there was another
Jerry involved in this. He took this
759
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,600
small operation and made it huge.
760
00:55:08,810 --> 00:55:11,670
As soon as I got that job, things
changed.
761
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:15,830
You're going to ride with us, and you're
going to do what we say, and you're
762
00:55:15,830 --> 00:55:16,830
going to do it right.
763
00:55:16,930 --> 00:55:20,030
I'm not a dumb person, but I did a dumb
thing.
764
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:25,830
No one can stand in front of a mirror
and say they've never done something
765
00:55:25,830 --> 00:55:27,330
they wish they could take back.
766
00:55:28,030 --> 00:55:30,170
Malia McCard's on the table to tell
everything.
767
00:55:31,170 --> 00:55:34,150
We were just building the puzzle from
all the pieces.
768
00:55:35,090 --> 00:55:37,030
We started finding other middlemen.
769
00:55:37,530 --> 00:55:40,810
The money got too big to not take a
bigger piece of that pie.
770
00:55:41,350 --> 00:55:44,130
It could have been a possible hit to get
him out of the situation.
771
00:55:44,590 --> 00:55:46,690
A little teardrop came down my face.
772
00:55:47,090 --> 00:55:49,410
I thought, I'm never going to get out of
this.
67637
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