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Have you ever had to fire that one in a
situation?
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Oh yeah, yeah. Somebody threw a tricycle
through my front window in a
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confrontation with one of my kids.
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I went out there with this and I shot
the car. By the time I got done walking
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back to the house, the SWAT team had me
surrounded.
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And I went to jail.
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I went to jail.
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I was in the north side of Milwaukee,
Wisconsin.
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An area afflicted by sky -high levels of
gun violence.
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Stop! Get in!
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The past few years have seen a surge in
homicides here.
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The chance of this is our city can be
heard as police try to block off.
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And a mounting distrust of the police.
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Man, look, I'm going to tell you right
now how I feel about the police.
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The police, that's how I feel about it.
I was here to find out what was behind
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the killing.
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And what hope there was for one of
America's most desperate communities.
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This is not part of God's plan.
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God does not deal in death. God deals in
life.
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I was
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with the police.
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in pursuit of a car full of suspected
armed robbers.
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The
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pursuit
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had ended in a crash.
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Officers were attempting to control the
scene.
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Is he okay?
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What happened to him?
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He was probably part of the car crash.
They're in the car that fled. Yeah, he's
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injured, so we've got to get medical in
here. So he got hurt in the car crash?
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Yeah, this red one here was taken in an
armed robbery. Did he try to run?
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That was the car that was playing when
they were on the radio.
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How would you gauge the mood around here
right now?
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It felt quite tense. When we rolled up,
it felt a little bit tense.
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Yeah, that's because all the police are
here.
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We have individuals in handcuffs, and
given the mood of late, they're not too
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happy about that.
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It felt like the police were slightly
outnumbered for a moment.
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Yeah, I mean, initially, probably.
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But, you know, we don't have any control
of the scene yet. It's still fresh.
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Now you can see we have tape up now. We
have kind of control of the immediate
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area. When we first get here, none of
this is up. Everyone's just right on top
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of you.
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These few square miles in the north of
Milwaukee.
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are among America's worst for violent
crime.
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You hear them shooting out here?
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Yeah, I know. You guys are always
chilling out here.
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The rate of incarceration here is one of
the nation's highest.
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Stop! Police!
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He's got a gun! He's got a gun!
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Don't fucking move your arm! Don't
fucking move your arm! He's still
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ahead. Go ahead.
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Guns are pervasive.
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You guys got IDs on you? Yeah.
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All right, I'm going to have you step
out of the car real quick, and I'll
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explain why we're stopping you, okay? No
guns anywhere, right? Do you have any
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guns anywhere?
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Okay, step out of the car. Keep your
hands up for me, man.
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For police, it is not always friendly
terrain.
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Did you hear the shot fired out here
about an hour ago? No, nothing?
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I'm working inside.
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Nothing's happening?
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Hello.
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Oh, you're doing a documentary?
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Yeah, you know there's a lot of gun
crime, and there are a lot of homicides
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for a city its size?
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Yeah, I heard a lot on the news.
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Yeah, what's that all about?
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Honestly, I don't know. I guess the
police, they fail to protect our
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That's what it's about.
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That's why we wear our Black Lives
Matter shirt, because we do matter.
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They don't care how our neighborhood
looks.
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But I think they're here now because
they're trying to reduce the crime.
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I mean...
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think that's true. Well, yeah, ma 'am.
Here's the thing. We got a report of a
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shooting over here. Do you know what
happened? I don't think they're trying
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reduce the crime. I think they're trying
to escalate the crime.
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Why would they do that?
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I don't know, baby. There go one right
there. Ask him.
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Y 'all have a good day.
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Well, she said that I'm looking for
cases involved in this shooting, so.
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We haven't found any yet, but we should
be able to find out eventually where
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this happened.
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What's happening?
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We're a little vulnerable standing out
here.
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Really? I do, yeah. Someone take a pot
shot from over there, over there.
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Wouldn't surprise me.
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So where are we going now?
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Got homicide.
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Shooting 2525 North Hubbard Street.
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Car, six people in a van shot a man in
the face.
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Gunshot wound to the head.
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PNB, which means pulseless, not
breathing.
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We've got a body on the street. We don't
have any eyewitnesses yet. You know his
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name? Yeah, he had a picture ID in his
pocket.
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Antonio Ewing is what's on his ID. How
old?
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Born in 85.
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Born in 85, so that would make him 31.
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Yes, sir. Do you have a description of a
shooter?
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Nothing. We have nobody that's claiming
they saw anything yet.
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We've got a couple people that heard
gunshots.
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That's all I have to go on.
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What are the plausible scenarios in a
case like this?
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One would be a robbery.
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Another would be some kind of a drug
deal gone bad.
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Unfortunately, that's very common.
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Third is just some type of grudge. A lot
of our homicides are...
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because of things said or done on social
media.
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Families get very emotional many times
with this disorder, and they can get
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violent. That's why I'm keeping you here
for now.
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Having the body here is also a thing.
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We need the body here for evidentiary
reasons, but yet it'll come time where
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just have to move the body to help with
the tensions in the neighborhood.
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That's my cousin.
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It's my cousin, family, real blood
family.
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Do you know anything about what happened
to you? I don't know, but I know it's
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my family.
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And then everybody else is thinking it's
just addiction down here.
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It's bad.
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I'm ready to leave Milwaukee.
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I'm ready to pack my stuff and go.
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That's his mother. That's my auntie.
That's the mother of the victim?
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Yes.
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And they won't let us go back over there
and see him until the coroner come and
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do whatever they got to do.
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I don't know what happened. I was at
home in the bed.
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My daughter -in -law came and woke me up
and told me that Tony was dead.
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You know, I don't know. I don't know
what happened.
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Milwaukee's homicide rate spiked
unexpectedly two years ago for reasons
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remain obscure.
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Some blame new laws making it easier to
carry a gun.
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Like other Rust Belt cities, Milwaukee
is plagued by unemployment, poor schools
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and rampant crime.
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By some measures, it is the most
segregated place in America.
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Relations between police and the
community had become even more fraught
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usual.
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Two weeks earlier, an officer had shot
and killed 23 -year -old Seville Smith
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circumstances that were still disputed.
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Tensions boil over on the streets of
Milwaukee Saturday night.
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Two nights of unrest had followed.
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A chaotic scene near Sherman and Hour as
a gas station goes up in flames.
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We're not supposed to do anything at
all. We're just supposed to sit there
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take it.
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Man, enough is enough, man. The man in
this video was Seville's brother, Sadan.
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I'd arranged to meet him at a shrine to
Seville, close to where the shooting had
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taken place.
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Louie, you Sadan?
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Yeah. Louie, how you doing? I'm good.
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Tell me about what we've got here. Is
this a T -shirt with Seville on it? This
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is one of the T -shirts with my little
brother on it. Say, Rez, bro, we got you
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five ever.
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People come every day and put their own
stuff on here.
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We both was named after cars. We always
been close together.
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Named after cars? Yeah, Cadillacs. My
name's Sudan, his name's Seville. We
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named after cars.
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What was the story? What happened to
Seville?
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Basically, he was in a car that was
perceived to be suspicious by the
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which was their reason for stopping the
car.
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He allegedly got out the car and ran.
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And the news said he allegedly pointed a
gun.
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Pulled a gun?
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Yeah. But in the autopsy report, it
shows he was shot in the back of his
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fleeing.
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And he was also shot under his armpit,
meaning his arms was up.
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Given the narrative you described, why
do you think Seville wouldn't have
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dropped the gun?
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Why did he run is the other question. In
that situation?
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Being in situations where you hear what
the police do to black men in the
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community and carrying a gun and having
one, the way he thought was fear.
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So if I'm fearing something, my first
thing is to get away from that.
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But now the police out here, as y 'all
can see, they don't like me.
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But this is how they come after we come.
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They come like that. They profile the
trees. They do that to cause
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You know what I mean? When they see me
out here especially, you know what I
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mean? They want me to stop doing this.
That's my brother. I ain't never going
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stop. The officer who shot and killed
DeVille was himself African -American.
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Yeah. Now, you could argue that it
suggests that maybe it wasn't at least a
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racist act. No. No, no, no, no, no.
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We don't turn it into what it's not. You
feel me? At the end of the day, it's
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not a race war. You see them police
right here right now?
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It's them against us.
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It's not a white on black.
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It's a blue on black.
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Are they not concerned?
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Because there's been a track record of
civic unrest, right?
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There's been incidents and uprisings.
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I think their concern is to de -escalate
anything before it happens.
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Listen, if these cameras wasn't here
right now, if y 'all want to go duck off
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y 'all cars and see how it really is, me
and him right now, we can be standing
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here, not making no noises. We can be
talking to each other. They will pull up
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and tell us, keep our feet moving, we
loitering. It was reported that...
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In the 24 hours leading up to Seville's
death, right, there was something like
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five or six fatal shootings, right, five
fatal shootings in that 24 -hour
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period, which says that there's this
deeper situation to do with out -of
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-control homicide.
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in the African -American community.
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This is a state where there's a lot of
trash that needs to be cleaned up in the
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first place.
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There was a war on drugs going on here
since 2006, you know what I mean? And
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there's guns in it. And they're giving
us the right to carry the guns without
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cleaning up the drugs.
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Do you both have guns?
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I have Smith & Wesson. Both my guns are
Smith & Wesson. I have a 9mm and I have
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a .380. Those are handguns? Yeah,
handguns. Man, you can get your hands on
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gun here.
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You've got the right to buy them.
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What have you got, Sudan?
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You're not going to say.
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I can't say what I know.
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Why can't you say?
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Because my mama took my guns.
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Your mama did? Yeah.
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Why did she take your guns? Because she
found out what happened to my brother
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and she knows who I am.
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With police viewed with suspicion, many
on the north side prefer to find their
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own solutions to crime.
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Hi, Shaunda. How are you doing? All
right, all right.
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One is community activist Shaunda Payne.
That's the hood shape.
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Shaunda grew up in the Vice Lords gang,
had a baby at 13 and committed murder at
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15, before turning her life around and
founding Unity in the Community, an anti
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-violence group.
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She was now raising her children on one
of the most lawless blocks in Milwaukee.
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So what happened last night?
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Not sure. Just a lot of shooting, a lot
of blood and people running and
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screaming and hollering.
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Was anyone killed?
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No one killed, but definitely people
injured.
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The last week, we had a newborn baby,
five -day -old baby come.
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And that's when the house, my house, got
shot with the bullet and all that.
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A lot of the rest of these houses right
here had to kind of fall to the floor
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with the baby in my hands and then
prepare my weapons and also secure my
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ones at the same time. It's sad that you
have to do that.
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It's sad, but it's kind of like what's
going on. I can babysit, shoot a gun,
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cook at the same damn time.
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This is where I make more babies if we
want them.
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Because we live where we live, I kind of
sleep on the ready.
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She's always right here next to my bed.
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What is that? It's a Mossberg. It's a 12
-gauge Mossberg.
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She's the one I trust in anything
because this is what the police use.
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This goes normally in my bra. I just do
like this.
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Nobody even knows I have it.
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And then when I'm in the bathtub, I take
this one.
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I'm just going to point that that way.
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Oh, yeah.
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All of them are on safety. All of them
are. Yeah. I got too many kids.
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But this is what I do when I'm in the
bathtub.
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I lay it back here because I lay it
right here.
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And I take a towel and I just do like
that. I throw it over it.
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And if my kids want to come in the
bathroom, they don't see it.
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Around here, you definitely got to have
several places where you are able to run
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and you're able to have shelter.
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And you keep them all loaded.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Always. Always. You never want to ever
have something that is not
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ready to go.
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That's how you die.
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That's how you die.
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Shaunda had fostered and raised more
than 20 children.
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One was 16 -year -old Kyrie.
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Do you feel that you're in a sort of at
-risk situation with peers of yours?
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People your age who you know or you're
aware of who are doing lawless stuff,
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running around with guns?
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I don't really worry about it because
it's not me, you know?
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Like, it's not really surprising or
shocking anymore to me.
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Oh, he has a gun. He's 15.
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For a lot of parents at home right now,
when the kids get to be comparatively
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bigger than the mother, because there's
almost always no father at home.
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What do you think somebody that's 5 '4",
187 pounds, compared to a 200 -pound
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6 '1", male is supposed to do with a
child that is defying you?
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You tell me.
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He'll tell you what I had to do a couple
weeks ago when he told me what he
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wasn't going to do. I took a skillet,
and I took a knife, and I hit his ass
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right in the head. And I told him, now,
do you feel you want to do what I said
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now? He's like, oh, shit, I think I get
it.
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Did you feel that was reasonable? How
did you feel about that?
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Not at the moment I didn't feel it was
reasonable, but afterwards, I get it.
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I mean... Look how many of them dying
out here.
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Every night.
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Look how many dying.
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She's doing something right because I
ain't out there.
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Exactly.
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I'm not installing cars. I got my own
car. You don't do drugs?
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I don't do drugs.
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You know, you obviously have weapons for
self -protection. Exactly. You said
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your children do.
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Oh, yeah. He know how to handle every
single thing in this house. But he
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have a weapon now.
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No, he's 16.
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So when would he be, you know... 18.
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Then he gets one? Oh, he has... I mean,
18, he can have his own. And he has
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known since the age of 7 years old how
to move with every single weapon.
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Automatic weapons. Tell my automatic
weapons.
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He knows how to load them. He knows how
to un...
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He knows how to break them down. He
knows every single thing.
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Fuck.
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They so fucking disrespectful.
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Why would you shoot at all these fucking
people, man?
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That's the shit I'm talking about.
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They don't give a fuck. They shoot and
drive off.
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What if somebody fucking get hit?
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That's the shit I'm talking about.
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The light shines in the darkness, and
the darkness cannot overcome it.
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We gather here to remember and to grieve
for the death of
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Tonio.
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I was at a vigil for Antonio Ewing, the
young man whose homicide scene I'd been
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at on my first night in Milwaukee.
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It doesn't take much to retaliate.
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It doesn't take much to return evil for
evil.
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Anybody can be a conqueror, but we are
called to be more.
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Because we know that the only thing
violence brings is more violence.
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The only thing that death brings is more
death.
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So let's not pretend that this was
Tonio's time.
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It was too early.
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Tony O!
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Did you hear that?
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Did you hear that?
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Oh, man.
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This is for you, Tony O.
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Wherever you at, this is for you. I know
you've been here. I know you feel.
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This is for you.
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It's a homecoming. It's not going away.
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It's a homecoming.
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You have been reborn.
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Donald, can I grab you for just a
minute? How are you doing? I'm Louis.
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Louis, how you doing? Tony O, that's my
stepson.
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Okay? He's 30 -year -old.
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Young man. Young man. He worked with me.
I'd get him a job. He worked with me.
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And I looked out for him. He stayed with
me.
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Stayed with me and his mother.
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He never bothered nobody. Never started
nothing with nobody.
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You know, but he's just hanging out with
the wrong crowd.
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He was harmless.
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And somebody came out here and they
killed my cousin.
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These streets is vicious.
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00:20:34,990 --> 00:20:39,530
I wondered if Antonio's life might help
me understand what was behind the gun
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violence in Milwaukee.
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00:20:41,890 --> 00:20:42,869
Hi, Karen.
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How are you? Donald asked me back to the
house he shared with Antonio's mother,
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Karen. Right now, I don't know what I'm
feeling.
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No. You know, he's always spaced out.
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And I really haven't kicked him yet. I
feel he hasn't lost someone so close,
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son.
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This sounds tremendous.
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But it's crazy.
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00:21:10,030 --> 00:21:12,950
And to tell you the truth, I just had
some more bad news.
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What bad news did you just have?
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My niece.
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My friend just got killed.
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A niece of yours or a friend of yours?
Yes, a niece of mine.
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How old?
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Young, young.
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My nieces, all of them young.
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All of them young. In Milwaukee?
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Yes, right here in Milwaukee.
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00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,020
Today? There's so much happening in
Milwaukee.
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00:21:35,340 --> 00:21:36,860
We're not talking about Chicago.
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00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,380
We're talking about Milwaukee.
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00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:45,760
But a lot of people come from Chicago up
here to do... Dollars.
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00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:48,580
Let me talk.
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Crime on crime.
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00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,600
You know what? We need to... No,
serious. We need to stop this. No,
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00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:58,840
No.
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Seriously.
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00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,140
Oh, Donald, Donald.
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I don't even want to talk. I'm, you
know, I'm already messed up in the head
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right now.
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Well, we all are. But, like I said.
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This is
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Tony on Isabella.
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This is her.
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Yeah.
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There you go right there, when he was in
school.
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Is Tonyo in the middle, standing up with
the cap?
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00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,440
No, this is Tonyo. Oh, that's Tonyo on
the left.
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He was a rapper too, so, and he good.
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00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,680
He rapped under the name Blizz Montana?
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00:22:45,020 --> 00:22:47,260
Yes. And that's Tonyo there.
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00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,140
It's his daughter right here, she look
just like him.
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00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,360
May I ask about Tonyo's father, his dad?
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He's incarcerated.
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00:22:58,810 --> 00:22:59,649
He's incarcerated.
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He's in jail.
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He's in prison.
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00:23:01,970 --> 00:23:05,310
Yeah. Was the dad able to be a dad to
Antonio?
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00:23:05,550 --> 00:23:07,830
Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Yes, yes, yes.
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00:23:08,030 --> 00:23:14,070
He wasn't locked up when Antonio... He
was an asshole, but he was my... He did
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00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:15,490
for his kids, yeah.
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00:23:17,650 --> 00:23:22,030
Outside on the porch, the conversation
continued with Donald and two of
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Antonio's cousins, Trish and Lawanda.
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00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,900
How many children does Antonio have?
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He has four children. Four children.
Yes. How many mothers?
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Four. Three.
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00:23:34,260 --> 00:23:35,260
Four. Four.
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00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,540
Antonio has four children with four
different women.
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00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,680
That's four fatherless children.
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00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,280
Absolutely. We're two days in now.
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00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,680
Do you know if they're making headway
with the case?
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00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,900
Have they made progress in terms of
finding the culprit?
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00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,560
We haven't heard nothing. We haven't
heard a word yet. But the detective did
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tell us what Antonio had on him when he
died.
401
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,660
They did say he had some money, he had
keys, he had a title to his car.
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00:24:06,380 --> 00:24:09,400
That's all he had on him. No drugs, no
nothing.
403
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,560
I'm hurt right now. My heart is, I don't
know where it's going right now.
404
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,200
I don't know who done it.
405
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,320
I don't know why they done it.
406
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:22,800
But the police can find out, the
authorities can find out, and then let
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00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:23,800
something.
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00:24:24,260 --> 00:24:25,440
Let us know something.
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00:24:46,410 --> 00:24:49,890
There had been another homicide on
Milwaukee's north side.
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One of the side effects of the high rate
of armed robberies and murders in
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Milwaukee is that there are also many
killings that are legal and justified as
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self -defense.
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00:25:01,610 --> 00:25:03,810
This showed signs of being one of them.
414
00:25:04,650 --> 00:25:05,650
You're the captain.
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00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:09,030
Captain Boston Smith. I am, sir.
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00:25:09,230 --> 00:25:10,270
Yes, nice to meet you.
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00:25:10,690 --> 00:25:13,050
Do you have a picture of what happened
yet?
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00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:19,220
Basically, two individuals came into the
home, shots were exchanged, and the
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person that left the seat does not
reside in the residence.
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00:25:23,580 --> 00:25:26,040
Two individuals came in the home who
didn't live there?
421
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:32,820
Correct. It's what I'm... Shots were
exchanged between the two individuals
422
00:25:32,820 --> 00:25:34,880
persons at the house?
423
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,340
Correct. That's the information, the
prelim information.
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So what is happening right now?
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00:25:42,670 --> 00:25:47,150
We have some individuals that have come
from our sensitive crimes unit, and
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00:25:47,150 --> 00:25:52,490
they're conducting their individual
interviews of possible witnesses who may
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00:25:52,490 --> 00:25:57,390
have heard or seen something or who was
in the house at that time. So many times
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00:25:57,390 --> 00:26:02,090
they will take them from the house, and
they will sit them in the car so that
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00:26:02,090 --> 00:26:06,310
they can interview them alone without
being heard.
430
00:26:06,650 --> 00:26:07,870
Are you getting good cooperation?
431
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:10,590
From the individuals in the house? Mm
-hmm.
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00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,940
At first we was not. Why not?
433
00:26:14,140 --> 00:26:18,260
This is an area that we kind of struggle
with when it comes to the police.
434
00:26:18,580 --> 00:26:21,360
A lot of times they don't like to tell
the police anything.
435
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,860
They don't trust us.
436
00:26:23,060 --> 00:26:28,960
There's a perception that if they
cooperate with the inquiry, they are
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00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,840
snitching. They have a saying out here
on the street that snitches get
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Five feet, eight inches east.
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2 feet 4 inches south.
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00:26:42,670 --> 00:26:48,130
In charge of the scene was a 24 -year
veteran of Milwaukee PD, Gus
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Having cleared the house, he and his
team were gathering evidence, and he'd
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00:26:54,050 --> 00:26:55,050
allowed me inside.
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00:26:56,150 --> 00:26:58,910
You'll see a gunshot wound there.
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00:26:59,710 --> 00:27:00,710
There's one in the neck.
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00:27:01,630 --> 00:27:04,410
Okay, looks like they tried to put some
pressure on the neck there.
446
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:06,930
That's potentially ballistic damage.
447
00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:09,820
That's likely ballistic damage as well.
448
00:27:10,740 --> 00:27:14,600
This is a nickel story I've got so far,
and it's from the man of the house. He's
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00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:15,840
a gentleman named A .C.
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00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:23,040
Crockett. He says to me that he was at
the neighbor's residence, comes back, he
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00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:29,360
sees his son, Craig Crockett, on the
front porch talking to a couple of
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00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:33,800
young men, and he doesn't know what the
conversation is, but he shares with us
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00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,720
that his son does tattooing.
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00:27:36,629 --> 00:27:40,990
In the house here, these may be
customers or presumed customers, I don't
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00:27:41,970 --> 00:27:47,650
AC goes upstairs to check on another son
of his, and he hears gunshots going
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00:27:47,650 --> 00:27:53,590
off. He comes downstairs to discover
this guy laid out on the floor here, and
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00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:55,630
his son injured.
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00:27:56,090 --> 00:27:58,370
And then his son says, they tried to rob
me.
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00:27:59,210 --> 00:28:02,570
And he says, I'm shot, I've got to take
myself to the hospital, which he does.
460
00:28:03,090 --> 00:28:04,790
Do we know anything about this guy?
461
00:28:05,180 --> 00:28:07,120
We believe he's Anthony Trice.
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00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:09,620
He was born on Christmas Day in 1993.
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00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:16,980
The co -actor with him fled on foot, but
AC thinks he might have been hit as
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00:28:16,980 --> 00:28:21,820
well. The other thing I noticed was the
trajectory of the holes in the floor
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over here.
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00:28:23,140 --> 00:28:26,020
They're relatively dramatic down.
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What does that tell us?
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It tells us somebody stood over this
guy.
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00:28:34,090 --> 00:28:35,370
Started hitting him like that.
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00:28:36,690 --> 00:28:42,350
It would be okay to fire enough rounds
to stop the threat, but not to fire
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00:28:42,350 --> 00:28:43,350
directly down?
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00:28:43,450 --> 00:28:46,270
If the threat is over... You have to
stop.
473
00:28:47,270 --> 00:28:50,210
Yeah, so there's more to this story.
474
00:28:51,910 --> 00:28:56,230
How confident are you of solving the
case?
475
00:28:56,610 --> 00:28:57,610
I have no idea.
476
00:28:58,010 --> 00:28:59,150
I don't.
477
00:28:59,870 --> 00:29:03,490
What we know, I think I know who shot
him. It's going to be Craig, right?
478
00:29:03,930 --> 00:29:06,990
I mean, his own dad is telling us that
that's who shot this guy, right?
479
00:29:07,710 --> 00:29:11,570
What are the circumstances surrounding
how Craig came about shooting him?
480
00:29:11,770 --> 00:29:15,990
I don't know for sure. I'm not sure I'm
ever going to know the whole story,
481
00:29:16,210 --> 00:29:17,210
right?
482
00:29:19,730 --> 00:29:24,610
Whether Anthony Trice had been an armed
robber and the killing justified for now
483
00:29:24,610 --> 00:29:25,990
remained an open question.
484
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:30,050
But I was struck by the self
-perpetuating nature of the violence.
485
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,100
crime leading to people arming
themselves against crime.
486
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:43,120
Meanwhile, the accomplice of the
suspected robber remained at large and,
487
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,320
probably, armed.
488
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,260
I'd been learning more about Antonio
Ewing, the man murdered on my first
489
00:29:55,260 --> 00:29:57,040
in Milwaukee, whose family I'd met.
490
00:29:58,670 --> 00:30:01,790
He'd done two years in prison for
dealing cocaine and heroin.
491
00:30:02,450 --> 00:30:05,110
But it was also said he'd been trying to
change his life.
492
00:30:06,770 --> 00:30:10,530
He'd been about to release a CD under
his rap name for Liz Montana.
493
00:30:19,030 --> 00:30:21,450
I'd arranged to meet a handful of his
friends.
494
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:23,430
They too were musicians.
495
00:30:24,220 --> 00:30:26,660
Are you from Milwaukee as well? Yeah,
I'm from here, man.
496
00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:30,280
Do you have a sense of what's behind the
violence here in Milwaukee?
497
00:30:32,380 --> 00:30:38,760
Man, it's the sense of hopelessness, you
know, in the atmosphere. It's like it's
498
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,260
not a lot of jobs here, like half of the
African -American.
499
00:30:44,159 --> 00:30:48,760
Men are locked up. Okay, you're a music
producer, right? So you're not leading
500
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,960
the kind of the outlaw, the sort of thug
lifestyle, correct?
501
00:30:52,780 --> 00:30:56,380
But do you feel you need to have a
weapon to be safe?
502
00:30:57,180 --> 00:30:58,580
Yeah, I got one right now.
503
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,620
Really? Yeah, I got... Right here, right
now? Right now, yeah.
504
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:04,880
Where?
505
00:31:04,940 --> 00:31:09,320
It's right over there. It's a nice
little... Show it. It's a nice little,
506
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,480
know... Be careful with it.
507
00:31:11,020 --> 00:31:12,360
No, I know how to handle it.
508
00:31:12,620 --> 00:31:13,620
It's legal, though.
509
00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:14,960
That's legal. Legal.
510
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,840
What is that? All my weapons are legal.
It's an AR -15.
511
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,380
Yeah, that's what we ride around with,
man.
512
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:21,959
For real?
513
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,460
And we're not starting no trouble.
514
00:31:23,860 --> 00:31:26,840
We don't, you know, this is all for self
-defense purposes.
515
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,280
You just went from being like a very
plausible high -end music producer to
516
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,560
looking almost like a paramilitary
guerrilla.
517
00:31:35,020 --> 00:31:37,680
Yeah. Which was a weird transformation.
518
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,340
I mean, you know, you got to have
something if you're in Milwaukee, man.
519
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:49,240
We'll be right here right now. Y 'all
wouldn't have been right here.
520
00:31:49,740 --> 00:31:55,700
Even talking to him. If Blizzard had a
gun, he'd still be with us right now.
521
00:31:55,900 --> 00:31:58,400
And he usually got the gun on him every
day.
522
00:31:58,740 --> 00:32:01,860
Because then he would have shot the guy
who tried to kill him. Well, who killed
523
00:32:01,860 --> 00:32:04,300
him. Or the guy would have thought twice
about doing it.
524
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,280
He wouldn't even have did it.
525
00:32:06,540 --> 00:32:09,980
If I would have seen him approach Blizz,
I would have told Blizz. Same thing
526
00:32:09,980 --> 00:32:12,900
happened to y 'all. Y 'all came on the
block. You know what I'm saying?
527
00:32:13,140 --> 00:32:14,140
You would have said, don't leave.
528
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,220
Meaning, leave where? Leave my porch.
529
00:32:16,959 --> 00:32:18,720
So he stepped off your porch?
530
00:32:18,940 --> 00:32:22,480
Yeah, he stepped off my porch. He walked
around the corner. He got shot twice in
531
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:23,620
the head and once in the chest.
532
00:32:24,740 --> 00:32:25,800
Do you know who did it?
533
00:32:26,220 --> 00:32:29,740
We don't know who did it. We don't know
who did it. We don't know who did it.
534
00:32:29,740 --> 00:32:30,399
For real?
535
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,160
Yeah. Would you tell me if you knew?
536
00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:35,540
Probably not.
537
00:32:35,740 --> 00:32:37,340
Probably not. Probably not, to be
honest.
538
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:38,920
Yeah.
539
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:44,120
You said Blizz used to hang on your
porch quite a bit. So you got to know
540
00:32:44,430 --> 00:32:46,330
Well? I knew him very, very, very well.
541
00:32:46,530 --> 00:32:47,610
What was he like?
542
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:48,990
He was quiet.
543
00:32:49,390 --> 00:32:55,550
Blizz was probably... The way he looked,
he looked like a
544
00:32:55,550 --> 00:32:59,270
grimy person. You know, if a person was
to just glance at him, he looks like
545
00:32:59,270 --> 00:33:03,590
he'll rob people. You know, but Blizz
had a kindness heart.
546
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:07,490
Yeah, you said grimy, right? Yeah.
People thought he had a, I don't take
547
00:33:07,490 --> 00:33:09,190
the wrong way, but a slightly mean face.
548
00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:12,920
Yeah, that's what I meant, his features.
He looked like he was out here on the
549
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,700
streets and he was, you know, doing this
and that. He was nothing like that. But
550
00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:19,380
he had some convictions, though, didn't
he? Yeah, he had some convictions. For
551
00:33:19,380 --> 00:33:20,380
dealing, I think?
552
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,920
Yeah, you know, but everybody don't deal
for the same purpose. He probably was
553
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:31,640
dealing to try to feed his family. He
had four kids by four baby mamas. Right.
554
00:33:32,020 --> 00:33:34,480
So he, I mean, he must have...
555
00:33:35,210 --> 00:33:40,310
Had a little bit of appeal to the
ladies. He was about this big.
556
00:33:40,590 --> 00:33:41,670
A ladies' man.
557
00:33:42,050 --> 00:33:43,050
Ladies' man.
558
00:33:43,410 --> 00:33:44,410
Ladies' man.
559
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:46,450
Four babies by four women.
560
00:33:46,690 --> 00:33:50,030
On the one hand, that's like someone
who's got away with the ladies. On the
561
00:33:50,030 --> 00:33:53,570
other hand, you could say, well, he was
having difficulty maintaining stable
562
00:33:53,570 --> 00:33:54,570
relationships.
563
00:33:55,159 --> 00:34:01,260
Yeah. He never really paid attention
about his, no, he never had no female
564
00:34:01,260 --> 00:34:05,960
problems. He controlled all that. You
know, he had four baby mamas, but he had
565
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,600
hold of all four of his baby mamas.
566
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,880
You know, he never spoke to us about his
problems, you know, any of that. He
567
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,739
always kept his personal business to
himself.
568
00:34:14,540 --> 00:34:18,480
You know, so that was just, I don't
know.
569
00:34:18,699 --> 00:34:20,920
You know what I'm saying? That shit was
just crazy.
570
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,639
I left not much clearer about the causes
of Antonio's killing.
571
00:34:31,739 --> 00:34:36,420
It would have been tempting to see it as
related to his drug dealing, but I'd
572
00:34:36,420 --> 00:34:41,420
also been told that more death came from
petty arguments over almost any kind of
573
00:34:41,420 --> 00:34:48,340
issue, often fuelled by social media,
and underlying it all a readiness to
574
00:34:48,340 --> 00:34:50,159
use guns to deal with conflict.
575
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:54,760
What are you drinking?
576
00:34:55,310 --> 00:34:58,130
Have you got any?
577
00:34:59,470 --> 00:35:00,610
I'd like a little one.
578
00:35:01,630 --> 00:35:04,610
Looking for some answers. I was back
with Shaunda.
579
00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:07,250
And it ain't no gunshots or nothing. We
could chill.
580
00:35:08,190 --> 00:35:09,190
Cheers.
581
00:35:10,970 --> 00:35:15,790
How have you been doing?
582
00:35:16,830 --> 00:35:17,830
Up, down.
583
00:35:18,170 --> 00:35:20,470
Has it been quiet on your corner?
584
00:35:20,930 --> 00:35:24,290
Oh, hell no. This zip code here is just
kind of the...
585
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:29,920
Mecca for a lot of shooting and
violence.
586
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,280
Do you feel you've got an insight into
what it is that makes someone shoot and
587
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:36,280
kill someone else?
588
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:45,600
In a way, but things are a tad bit
different, you know, these
589
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:52,440
days. Then it was more gang -related,
more turf, more, you know, survival.
590
00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:55,520
Almost like a mafia type of thing.
591
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:01,520
Yeah, it was pretty much, you know, if
that section had something you needed or
592
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,380
you wanted, I mean, that's what you did.
You just, you fought for it, you
593
00:36:05,380 --> 00:36:11,280
battled for it. Whereas now, what is it
now? It can be because, I mean, somebody
594
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,840
may have rear -ended somebody in a
simple car accident. Somebody gets out,
595
00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:19,800
you hit my damn car, and like, okay,
well, let's just pal, pal, pal.
596
00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:24,970
you know the guns come out you know in
war which is pretty much what this shit
597
00:36:24,970 --> 00:36:30,930
has become is rules of engagement and
those rules have kind of kind of been
598
00:36:30,930 --> 00:36:37,030
tossed out the door you know kind of
like you know they it's no boundary what
599
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:41,870
the issue do you think is it is it is it
guns is it poverty is it values is it
600
00:36:41,870 --> 00:36:48,730
the values the morals the social
injustices everybody's always
601
00:36:48,730 --> 00:36:51,380
worried about This is mine, mine, mine,
mine, mine.
602
00:36:52,460 --> 00:36:57,000
And that shit is just, it has to stop.
You have to start worrying about the
603
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,520
house next to you. You have to start
worrying about your neighbor. Start
604
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,980
worrying about, you know, are they okay?
Not just if you okay.
605
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,460
And the police, do you see them as a big
part of the problem?
606
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,560
Not a big part of the problem, but they
definitely not a fucking part of the
607
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:12,560
solution either.
608
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,020
Majority of them are worried about the
wrong shit.
609
00:37:17,439 --> 00:37:22,280
everybody pretty much is a criminal
until they strip you of all your
610
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,400
tear your car apart and everything. Oh,
you're not.
611
00:37:24,620 --> 00:37:25,620
Sorry.
612
00:37:27,260 --> 00:37:28,260
Oh,
613
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,000
don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do
that. Don't do that. Do not fucking do
614
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,240
that. He started filming them. They were
about to shoot his ass.
615
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:37,960
Oh, fuck.
616
00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:43,400
Well, that car is turning around. It's
time to motherfucking move. Grab my shit
617
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,960
because these motherfuckers are going to
start playing.
618
00:37:45,980 --> 00:37:48,220
I would suggest y 'all get to moving
with me. Why?
619
00:37:49,380 --> 00:37:52,760
Because you can already tell that van
that just left the corner of people that
620
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,640
were right there just stopped, you know
what I'm saying?
621
00:37:56,020 --> 00:37:59,540
And they little move, and I think
they're about to circle around.
622
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,840
And I'm going to sit next to the weapons
of mass destruction because
623
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,880
motherfuckers are really finna get to
playing.
624
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,078
Here we go.
625
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,940
2834 North 28th Street. One round.
626
00:38:26,220 --> 00:38:27,220
In the alley.
627
00:38:28,060 --> 00:38:31,320
I was back on patrol with the police in
District 5.
628
00:38:31,660 --> 00:38:32,618
Hey, what's your name?
629
00:38:32,620 --> 00:38:34,340
Malik. Malik? Where do you stay at?
630
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:39,120
Williams. Be careful, Malik. All right.
Yeah, be careful out here, all right?
631
00:38:39,220 --> 00:38:40,620
Was he getting gas or not?
632
00:38:40,940 --> 00:38:41,940
Obviously not.
633
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,040
What was he doing then?
634
00:38:43,180 --> 00:38:45,820
Well, that's a great question.
635
00:38:46,340 --> 00:38:49,420
I was beginning to understand the
frustration of the community.
636
00:38:51,210 --> 00:38:55,110
They'd come to realize that on the north
side, anyone who was black and male
637
00:38:55,110 --> 00:38:56,690
could be seen as a suspect.
638
00:38:58,390 --> 00:39:01,190
All three? Those two. They keep looking
back.
639
00:39:01,410 --> 00:39:02,970
That's the third time one of them was
back.
640
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:08,250
These men turned out to be on their way
home from catering jobs.
641
00:39:08,830 --> 00:39:10,830
What's the story? Were you on the bike?
642
00:39:11,210 --> 00:39:14,990
Yes, sir. We just were minding our
business. We're going back to this place
643
00:39:14,990 --> 00:39:16,430
we just got pulled over.
644
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:18,090
Have you been stopped before?
645
00:39:18,570 --> 00:39:19,328
Oh, yeah.
646
00:39:19,330 --> 00:39:20,330
For what?
647
00:39:21,020 --> 00:39:22,480
But exactly this reason.
648
00:39:23,340 --> 00:39:24,340
Which is?
649
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:25,740
I fit the description.
650
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,800
It was clear how resentment might build.
651
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,360
You had pulled them over for?
652
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:34,700
The tint.
653
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:36,600
For the tint on the windows. It was too
dark.
654
00:39:36,860 --> 00:39:37,960
What are you filming?
655
00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:39,300
I'm filming you.
656
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:44,180
Why did you pick Milwaukee to come film
for? Because for a city inside, it's got
657
00:39:44,180 --> 00:39:45,360
a high rate of homicide.
658
00:39:46,580 --> 00:39:48,700
They got a high rate of police officers
killing.
659
00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:57,360
For police, the innocent and the guilty
were not always easy to distinguish.
660
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,900
His walking right hand was real stiff.
Yeah, it was real stiff.
661
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:24,320
The way he was walking was a tip -off.
Yeah, his hand was completely still with
662
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:25,320
his other hand moving.
663
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,820
I'm never naive to think that we're
going to stop gun violence.
664
00:40:30,780 --> 00:40:34,120
What we are doing is making a difference
for a lot of the people that have to,
665
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,320
you know, wake up in these residential
houses over on 4th and 5th Street.
666
00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:43,340
You've been in this district about... 20
years? Yeah. Working it? Yep. So you
667
00:40:43,340 --> 00:40:45,100
must have seen people growing up.
668
00:40:45,500 --> 00:40:50,580
I've seen a lot of people. Frequent
flyers? Yes. I've arrested, you know,
669
00:40:50,580 --> 00:40:54,920
with all these guys, I've arrested
people three times, you know, from age,
670
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,500
know, 15 to 18 to 26.
671
00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:02,860
We just had a guy that was killed
yesterday in our district, and I knew
672
00:41:02,860 --> 00:41:06,340
personally because I had dealt with him.
Does it affect you at all, you know, if
673
00:41:06,340 --> 00:41:09,300
someone you've seen around gets killed?
674
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,700
You know, not to sound cold or
heartless, I just deal with so many
675
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:19,500
if I cared about every single one that I
dealt with, I think I would go crazy.
676
00:41:37,700 --> 00:41:42,370
Since being in Milwaukee, I still didn't
feel I got close to those most involved
677
00:41:42,370 --> 00:41:47,270
with the street life, and so I was out
in one of the most crime -prone areas of
678
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:51,210
the North Side, this time with no
community or police protection.
679
00:41:51,890 --> 00:41:55,470
I had a rendezvous with some corner
boys.
680
00:41:55,830 --> 00:41:56,830
How are you doing, guys?
681
00:41:57,690 --> 00:41:58,690
All right?
682
00:41:59,370 --> 00:42:03,030
Louie, what's your name? My name's Kev.
Kev, Louie.
683
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:07,450
Louie, how are you doing? How's
business?
684
00:42:10,810 --> 00:42:15,210
Like so many here, they were recently
bereaved. We just came from a funeral
685
00:42:15,210 --> 00:42:17,390
yesterday. There was a funeral
yesterday.
686
00:42:17,630 --> 00:42:21,770
What was the guy's name? Tall T. Tall T?
Big bro, yeah. So that was my cousin,
687
00:42:21,870 --> 00:42:23,490
too. RIP my cousin, Tall T, man.
688
00:42:23,710 --> 00:42:25,590
Do they know who killed Tall T? No.
689
00:42:26,590 --> 00:42:28,870
I mean, are the police, have they got
someone in custody?
690
00:42:29,110 --> 00:42:30,310
Shit, I don't think so. I don't know.
691
00:42:30,670 --> 00:42:31,670
But do you know?
692
00:42:32,070 --> 00:42:33,150
No, I don't know either.
693
00:42:33,690 --> 00:42:34,690
Do you have an idea?
694
00:42:34,830 --> 00:42:37,970
Are the streets talking?
695
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:42,130
Yeah, they talking, but you know what
I'm saying? We're going to keep that on
696
00:42:42,130 --> 00:42:45,570
the low because we don't want to be on
the documentary. So you're conducting an
697
00:42:45,570 --> 00:42:48,510
investigation? Yeah, we're doing a
street investigation.
698
00:42:49,250 --> 00:42:52,150
We don't want the police to get involved
with this because they're going to try
699
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:53,450
to lock people up and stuff.
700
00:42:53,830 --> 00:42:56,510
We're going to keep that in the street.
Do you consider that you're in a gang
701
00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:57,510
together? Hell no!
702
00:42:57,950 --> 00:43:00,950
It's a brotherhood. It's a family. It's
a family organization.
703
00:43:01,610 --> 00:43:05,110
We are felons, so we can't get a job. So
all we know is to do what we're doing.
704
00:43:05,230 --> 00:43:09,070
You're all, literally all of you are
felons? I am. I am.
705
00:43:09,530 --> 00:43:12,550
You are. What was your name, Kev? Are
you Kev? No, I'm Kev.
706
00:43:12,830 --> 00:43:17,770
What are you a felon on? As a juvenile
felon for two counts of armed robbery
707
00:43:17,770 --> 00:43:21,950
possession of a dangerous weapon by a
child, and as an adult, all minor weed
708
00:43:21,950 --> 00:43:26,650
cases. I just did a year for 0 .5, one
bag of weed. Tell me your papers right
709
00:43:26,650 --> 00:43:27,608
now.
710
00:43:27,609 --> 00:43:29,150
Who's on paper? Are you on paper?
711
00:43:29,470 --> 00:43:31,630
What was the case?
712
00:43:32,410 --> 00:43:33,750
A little pistol case.
713
00:43:34,410 --> 00:43:35,650
A little pistol case.
714
00:43:35,930 --> 00:43:39,690
Yeah, man, you know he had it on him.
Was it a possession of having one when
715
00:43:39,690 --> 00:43:41,650
shouldn't have one type case? Yeah, and
I threw it.
716
00:43:42,070 --> 00:43:44,210
And you threw it. Well, it wasn't my
gun. I ain't throw shit.
717
00:43:44,490 --> 00:43:47,550
Somebody, I don't know who threw the
damn gun. They put it on me. I said,
718
00:43:47,550 --> 00:43:48,328
the fuck?
719
00:43:48,330 --> 00:43:51,010
But I'm fighting the case, though. You
know what I'm saying? It ain't mine.
720
00:43:51,790 --> 00:43:52,810
It wasn't my gun.
721
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:54,130
It wasn't your gun? No.
722
00:43:54,970 --> 00:43:56,470
You didn't throw it? No.
723
00:43:57,380 --> 00:44:00,120
Even though it said they got me on
camera and shit, they lied.
724
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,440
What would you say was stopping you from
leading a kind of 9 -to -5 title?
725
00:44:05,860 --> 00:44:09,300
I'm just stuck in the streets, man. I
like the street life. You do like it? I
726
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:10,300
like the fast money.
727
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,120
Fast cars and shit like that. Big rings.
728
00:44:13,540 --> 00:44:14,540
American dreams.
729
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,560
Did you feel you had much in the way of
positive role models growing up?
730
00:44:19,020 --> 00:44:20,020
No.
731
00:44:20,620 --> 00:44:24,540
Tupac, my role model. My brother's shit.
I ain't got no daddy or nothing.
732
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,000
I just sit on the porch and shit. Just
watch around.
733
00:44:28,220 --> 00:44:31,840
Where's your dad? I never seen my daddy.
I never seen a picture.
734
00:44:32,580 --> 00:44:35,660
Fuck my daddy. Fuck that nigga.
735
00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:39,780
What did you just say?
736
00:44:40,299 --> 00:44:44,160
Fuck my pops, bro. Why? Fuck his daddy.
That nigga don't, you know what I'm
737
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,160
saying? I don't know that nigga.
738
00:44:45,380 --> 00:44:49,720
That nigga was never here for a nigga
like me, my nigga. I do this shit on my
739
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:50,720
own, baby.
740
00:44:50,980 --> 00:44:51,980
Fuck that nigga.
741
00:44:53,420 --> 00:44:56,140
Shit, I don't know.
742
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,520
You know what I'm saying? That's how it
is out here with niggas like me. He's my
743
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,160
daddy. My daddy right here.
744
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,580
Basically. You don't see nothing, right?
He's not around anymore.
745
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:06,840
I'm a my daddy.
746
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,040
I'm a my daddy. I'm a my daddy too, man.
I'm a my daddy. And that's fucking up
747
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,500
on a lot of black men because when
you're a black man growing up in the
748
00:45:13,540 --> 00:45:16,880
you need a male. You need your father to
show you what to do and what not to do
749
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,300
out here. And your mother can't teach
you everything.
750
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,180
Your mother can't teach you how to be a
man. What do you see yourself doing in
751
00:45:22,180 --> 00:45:22,919
10 years?
752
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,540
I'm going to be running a rap game in 10
years, hands down.
753
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,280
In 10 years, should I just really hope I
be alive? I'm going to be running a rap
754
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,840
game. Hope I ain't in jail. Hoping I
ain't just finished in a ten -year spin
755
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:32,840
shit in ten years.
756
00:45:33,460 --> 00:45:34,460
Oh, shit.
757
00:45:40,340 --> 00:45:43,660
The Corner Boys struck me as more lost
than lawless.
758
00:45:44,460 --> 00:45:49,740
Victims of their absent fathers and of a
street code of masculinity that set no
759
00:45:49,740 --> 00:45:51,200
store by raising children.
760
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,900
But also of a system of mass
incarceration.
761
00:45:58,620 --> 00:46:03,400
often for non -violent crimes which had
broken up families and blighted lives.
762
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,540
I'd had a call from Detective
Petropolis.
763
00:46:19,020 --> 00:46:23,460
Craig Crockett, the man who'd killed an
alleged home invader, was in custody at
764
00:46:23,460 --> 00:46:25,640
police headquarters and being
questioned.
765
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,540
It had become clear that Crockett was
not a felon and his gun had been legally
766
00:46:31,540 --> 00:46:32,540
owned.
767
00:46:34,940 --> 00:46:40,960
He basically
768
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:47,000
copped to shooting four or five bullets
into a man's back. He's falling.
769
00:46:47,420 --> 00:46:51,600
Sort of either on the floor or falling
towards the floor, right?
770
00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:53,220
Yeah, it's incredible.
771
00:46:53,820 --> 00:46:54,860
Good marksmanship.
772
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,420
Yeah, it would be, wouldn't it? You
think that?
773
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,860
I don't think that's what happened
entirely.
774
00:46:59,900 --> 00:47:02,240
Are you leaning one way or the other at
this point?
775
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:08,140
My sense is that, based on what he's
told us and what we found at the scene,
776
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:12,920
that more than likely the prosecutor's
not going to prosecute him, even if it's
777
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,200
a matter of, did he go a little too far?
778
00:47:16,060 --> 00:47:20,080
What's too far when you're, according to
Craig, protecting your family?
779
00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:23,340
Now, some of those that are burned up
over there?
780
00:47:24,010 --> 00:47:28,370
Those are attempts to destroy evidence,
right? So one of those vehicles up there
781
00:47:28,370 --> 00:47:30,630
was used in the commission of a
homicide.
782
00:47:31,970 --> 00:47:36,750
At the city car lot, I asked Petropoulos
for his thoughts on Milwaukee's gun
783
00:47:36,750 --> 00:47:37,750
crime.
784
00:47:37,850 --> 00:47:41,370
As my personal belief is that people
have to have a sense that if they do
785
00:47:41,370 --> 00:47:44,710
something, there are going to be
consequences.
786
00:47:45,770 --> 00:47:50,930
And I think sometimes if there isn't
that sense, then...
787
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:58,140
then they feel free to do what they
want. Is poverty a part of the equation?
788
00:47:59,780 --> 00:48:06,180
What about being poor drives one to kill
a child?
789
00:48:09,540 --> 00:48:13,980
What is that? There's no rational
reasoning to blame poverty.
790
00:48:15,180 --> 00:48:16,240
I don't see it.
791
00:48:16,660 --> 00:48:17,660
I don't get it.
792
00:48:18,260 --> 00:48:20,220
What about value?
793
00:48:22,220 --> 00:48:24,640
I think that's very much in play here.
794
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:32,360
If you are of a sense that you have
certain
795
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,880
rules that you live by, you generally
aren't going to break them.
796
00:48:36,340 --> 00:48:42,480
Certainly we all have lapses and things,
but if you don't have those strictures,
797
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,960
those rules in your life, then obviously
it opens up all kinds of possibilities
798
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,840
of things that could hurt other people.
799
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,820
I think that's what it comes down to.
800
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:56,400
I think we have a very big problem with
our values.
801
00:48:57,540 --> 00:49:02,560
But you're asking me, and I don't make
decisions on a large scale, just me and
802
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:03,560
my family.
803
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:14,380
Whether the cause was a crisis of values
or some larger failure of the system,
804
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:18,820
the result had been the death of 22
-year -old Anthony Trice.
805
00:49:23,790 --> 00:49:29,530
and for Craig Crockett and his family,
an unspeakable trauma, and a future
806
00:49:29,530 --> 00:49:32,190
living with the very real fear of
reprisals.
807
00:49:35,410 --> 00:49:38,110
Meanwhile, police were looking for
Trice's accomplice.
808
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:42,250
His name was Caron Smith, also 22.
809
00:49:42,890 --> 00:49:45,950
He was said to be driving a black Chevy
Avalanche.
810
00:49:48,130 --> 00:49:52,750
My last night with the police, and
unbelievably, within minutes of coming
811
00:49:52,750 --> 00:49:54,900
shift, There was the sighting of the
car.
812
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:57,900
There it is. The black avalanche.
813
00:49:58,860 --> 00:49:59,860
Holy.
814
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:01,280
The black avalanche.
815
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:08,180
Are you guys going to call? Where?
816
00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:11,700
Where is this? It's up there. It's up
there on the house. Oh, yeah.
817
00:50:15,900 --> 00:50:16,900
Hey.
818
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,160
Hey.
819
00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:21,900
5465.
820
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:28,120
I'd arrived seconds after the pursued
car had crashed into the side of a
821
00:50:33,020 --> 00:50:33,620
An
822
00:50:33,620 --> 00:50:40,960
injured
823
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,600
man was on the scene, and a dazed
-looking woman, Caron Smith's passenger,
824
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,120
was later released without charge.
825
00:50:47,820 --> 00:50:51,500
You need to answer this question real
truthfully. Other than you and him, was
826
00:50:51,500 --> 00:50:52,640
there anybody else in the vehicle?
827
00:50:52,940 --> 00:50:53,940
No, it wasn't.
828
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:55,720
My friend, that's not him.
829
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:57,620
Do you respond to Ashley a little bit?
830
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:59,440
OK, OK.
831
00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:04,500
The injured man turned out to be an
innocent driver of a separate car that
832
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:05,500
been hit.
833
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,700
Caron Smith had fled on foot.
834
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:13,400
The driver has dreads, white T -shirt,
black pants. Unknown where he is.
835
00:51:13,780 --> 00:51:14,780
Fuck!
836
00:51:15,150 --> 00:51:17,750
Well, then he can't have gotten far. He
had to be fucked up too.
837
00:51:18,290 --> 00:51:22,730
All efforts were now focused on finding
him. I doubt he made it far.
838
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:24,270
He's the dog.
839
00:51:26,730 --> 00:51:27,770
Then word came.
840
00:51:28,690 --> 00:51:30,890
Ended up finding him, Sarge. Wonderful
job.
841
00:51:31,310 --> 00:51:37,930
All right, let's get him up. He was
hiding behind these bushes right here on
842
00:51:37,930 --> 00:51:38,930
ground. Oh, my God, amazing.
843
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:41,330
Did he have a weapon on him?
844
00:51:42,090 --> 00:51:43,150
At the scene.
845
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,800
No, they haven't searched the vehicle or
anything yet, preserved evidence and
846
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:47,800
stuff.
847
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,560
What do we conclude about this?
848
00:51:50,180 --> 00:51:51,860
I'm not too philosophical, really.
849
00:51:52,660 --> 00:51:54,780
As long as I get the bad guy, that's all
that matters.
850
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:03,980
As Smith was stretched off, I caught up
with Inspector of Police Stephen
851
00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:04,980
Basting.
852
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,480
Life is a video game for some.
853
00:52:08,300 --> 00:52:10,820
It's linked on the police and it's out
of control driving.
854
00:52:11,450 --> 00:52:13,970
Often the result is what will happen.
855
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:22,230
Nationwide, homicides are trending down
as well as up in specific localities,
856
00:52:22,310 --> 00:52:27,190
right? So why do you think Milwaukee is
bearing such a heavy load?
857
00:52:27,530 --> 00:52:29,530
The lack of quality education, jobs.
858
00:52:31,330 --> 00:52:32,670
Let's start with that.
859
00:52:33,530 --> 00:52:35,830
The idle hands of the devil's workshop.
860
00:52:36,030 --> 00:52:37,390
There's not enough for people to do.
861
00:52:37,810 --> 00:52:39,910
You don't see it changing any time soon?
862
00:52:40,570 --> 00:52:41,670
To be honest with you, I don't.
863
00:52:42,450 --> 00:52:46,630
The community, I don't think it's to
that point where everybody has enough
864
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:49,410
stands up to make long -term changes.
865
00:52:51,710 --> 00:52:55,430
I just, I see it from this level every
night.
866
00:53:11,340 --> 00:53:15,100
I'd come to see the police as being in
an almost impossible position.
867
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:21,460
Working in an area suffering from
decades of neglect, they were lightning
868
00:53:21,460 --> 00:53:24,440
for failings far outside their ability
to fix.
869
00:53:30,420 --> 00:53:35,080
Then, just days before I was due to
leave Milwaukee, there came a bizarre
870
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:36,080
of news.
871
00:53:36,190 --> 00:53:41,150
A Milwaukee police officer now sits on
the other side of the law, trading in a
872
00:53:41,150 --> 00:53:43,410
uniform for a jail suicide vest.
873
00:53:43,710 --> 00:53:48,090
The officer whose shooting of Seville
Smith had sparked days of unrest had
874
00:53:48,090 --> 00:53:52,390
charged with two counts of sexual
assault on men he'd allegedly drugged.
875
00:53:53,090 --> 00:53:57,590
It's extraordinarily disappointing and
grave, and we're treating it as such.
876
00:53:59,330 --> 00:54:03,270
But with regard to the shooting of
Seville, police still hadn't released
877
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:06,290
footage. and there was no word on
whether a case would be brought.
878
00:54:14,990 --> 00:54:20,490
As for Antonio Ewing, a .k .a. Blizz
Montana, the young rapper, drug dealer
879
00:54:20,490 --> 00:54:24,490
father who'd been killed on my first
night, the case had gone quiet,
880
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:29,910
with my time in the north side nearly
up.
881
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,560
I paid a visit to his cousin, Trish, and
her son, TJ.
882
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:36,200
How are you doing?
883
00:54:37,060 --> 00:54:38,520
I'm okay.
884
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:45,080
We have kept in touch with the
detective, and every time it's the same
885
00:54:45,420 --> 00:54:47,040
We don't have anybody yet.
886
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,940
There's no new information, but keep
calling.
887
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:51,500
Do they even have a suspect?
888
00:54:51,740 --> 00:54:56,780
Is there someone they're trying to bring
in, but they can't catch him?
889
00:54:57,260 --> 00:55:02,920
As far as I know, they don't have anyone
that they're trying to bring in.
890
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:09,720
It's been a lot of tips, a lot of phone
calls to the police station, and a lot
891
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:11,760
of things that we're seeing on social
media.
892
00:55:12,460 --> 00:55:17,240
I think people know what they saw, but
people are afraid to step forward, and I
893
00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:18,400
can't fault them for that.
894
00:55:19,300 --> 00:55:24,140
How optimistic are you that they will
solve the murder?
895
00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:27,180
I'm not optimistic at all.
896
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:29,160
Not at all.
897
00:55:29,460 --> 00:55:32,420
I believe that they're going to let
people retaliate.
898
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,200
They'd rather let it be handled in the
streets.
899
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,960
And if someone ends up getting arrested
out the deal, then great.
900
00:55:40,180 --> 00:55:47,180
But otherwise, Antonio being dead, in my
opinion, is just another black man
901
00:55:47,180 --> 00:55:51,100
down. You know, it's black people
killing black people or whatever.
902
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,320
Let them kill each other. You think
that's the attitude?
903
00:55:55,840 --> 00:56:00,480
I do. I think there is a sense that our
people have lost sight of the value of
904
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:07,060
life. Absolutely. And I think that
permeates all different levels of
905
00:56:07,060 --> 00:56:10,860
and the community as well. And the
community, absolutely.
906
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:16,680
Absolutely. I don't think people have a
great deal of respect for life anymore.
907
00:56:22,250 --> 00:56:24,570
What do you remember about Antonio, TJ?
908
00:56:25,070 --> 00:56:26,290
I'm not crying.
909
00:56:27,410 --> 00:56:32,410
He's nice, he cares about me, and I will
always love him.
910
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:55,660
My last night in Milwaukee and another
vigil, this time for a cousin of
911
00:56:55,660 --> 00:56:56,660
Shaunders.
912
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:00,440
Everybody here knows that this was not
deserved.
913
00:57:01,140 --> 00:57:04,440
This is a woman that just had a baby.
This is a woman that ain't out here in
914
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,200
these streets, ain't out here thugging,
ain't out here doing none of that. You
915
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:12,540
already crossed the barriers of being a
coward when you continue to hurt women,
916
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:14,800
continue to hurt children out here.
917
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:19,970
I reflected on how many of those living
and dying here have been set up. to
918
00:57:19,970 --> 00:57:20,970
fail.
919
00:57:21,710 --> 00:57:26,610
Born into an area of underperforming
schools, few jobs, and out of control
920
00:57:26,610 --> 00:57:31,850
crime. Their killings over often trivial
matters could scarcely be more
921
00:57:31,850 --> 00:57:32,850
senseless.
922
00:57:39,330 --> 00:57:46,150
But I'd also seen people, and
923
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:49,190
especially mothers, fighting to break
the cycle.
924
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:54,840
In a fractured community, attempting to
rebuild hope.
925
00:57:58,420 --> 00:58:00,700
Everything's in the same what? Pond.
926
00:58:02,420 --> 00:58:04,780
Yep, all the animals in one pond.
927
00:58:05,700 --> 00:58:07,260
And the end.
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