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It was 7am and I was on a
run and I got a call from my
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mom and she said,
you got to turn on the TV.
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There are planes flying into buildings.
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It's complete chaos.
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All I can remember was just looking
at the TV set in complete shock.
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We couldn't figure out
in the beginning what
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was happening, whether or not it was an
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actual terrorist attack,
whether it was an accident.
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But as more planes
were flying into buildings,
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crashing into the Pentagon, it became
clear that the US was under attack.
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So we're going to
see what we can do.
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We're going to do our best.
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This is only a few weeks after both
of us retired after 20 years of service.
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But still in our hearts,
we're firefighters.
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Now nothing like this had ever happened on
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American soil and the scale
was absolutely unprecedented.
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And so you've got this sense of
fear and confusion and vulnerability.
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You know, not only in New
York, but all over the country.
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Every American was
scared for their own safety
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at that point, because
it wasn't clear whether
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or not there were going to be more
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planes flying into buildings,
whether or not there
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was going to be some
use of biological weapons.
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The terrorists did exactly
what they wanted to
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do and that was to create terror.
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And you've got to remember
those attacks happened
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right in the heart of
the financial district
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of New York, which some people regard
as basically the capital of the world.
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And that world changed in an
instant when those planes hit.
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Another plane come in and all you hear
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was this rumbling, people was crying,
people was jumping out the window.
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They was waving, like trying to like
say, help me, like you see their arms.
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And then you saw the man jump down
and he just, everybody was jumping.
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It was crazy.
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I remember one of my family members
said that she could see a man and a
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woman holding hands,
jumping out of the building.
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She could even see his tie.
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It's terrible.
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Unbelievable.
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I didn't think something
like this could happen,
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especially in New York.
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I'm sorry for all the people
that lost their lives there today.
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It's very sad.
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Makes you wonder what
our intelligence community is
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doing, you know, to have
something like this happen.
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How can this happen?
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What do you think
it'll do for the psyche of
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New Yorkers and the
psyche of America too?
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I think it's more important the psyche of
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America than the psyche of New
York, because this is world-reaching.
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It's not just the city,
it's around the world.
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It's going to, I don't think anything
will ever be the same again.
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Americans have many questions tonight.
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Americans are asking,
who attacked our country?
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An atrocity which America insists
tonight will soon be avenged.
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The evidence we have gathered all points to
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a collection of loosely affiliated
terrorist organizations known as al-Qaeda.
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Bush agreed that the US needed to invade
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Afghanistan, that there
was no doubt about this.
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But what was also put on
the table was to invade Iraq.
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So this is what the neocons do.
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They look at 9-11 and they go,
great, we can use this as an opportunity
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to get what we want done.
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The United States of
America will not permit
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the world's most dangerous
regimes to threaten us
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with the world's most destructive weapons.
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It turns out we were all wrong,
probably, in my judgment.
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And that is most disturbing.
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You know, why were you
manipulating intelligence?
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Why were you exaggerating the threat?
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Is this part of a broader strategy
to reshape the Middle East?
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Did you lie about
WMDs to get your way?
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And I think they adopted a lot of
information that was at the time viewed as
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very weak and they viewed it as fat.
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The terrorists know that the outcome in the
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war on terror will depend
on the outcome in Iraq.
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And so to protect our citizens,
the free world must succeed in Iraq.
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The public are going to trust what their
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governments tell them, and
their governments have also
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got to create this atmosphere
of suspicion around Saddam.
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You would have to be, let's face facts,
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pretty confident to have said in the build
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-up to the Iraq war, Saddam
definitely does not have WMDs.
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The jury was still out.
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But the problem is that the US and
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the British were saying,
he's definitely got them.
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There were no weapons
of mass destruction, that
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these were all lies, that these were all
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mistruths that were peddled by the
neocons in the Bush administration.
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Get ready to read
these words the fast way.
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Get ready.
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- May.
- Yes, May.
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- Get ready.
- Cape.
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Yes, Cape.
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- Get ready.
- Cane.
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Yes, Cane.
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- Get ready.
- Pain.
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Yes, Pain.
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Boys and girls, you're going
to read these words again.
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So at the very moment of the attacks,
the American President George W.
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Bush was in Florida, in Sarasota, and he
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was at this little elementary
school listening to
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the kids, you know, do some
sort of reading or performance.
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Okay, get ready to read the words
on this page without making a mistake.
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Everybody tell me what
this part of the word says.
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Rob.
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Yes, Rob.
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When Bush was reading
to these young children
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this book, he was
actually being filmed, and
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it was able to catch his reaction to
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finding out that America
was under attack, and
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he looked completely
in shock and devastated.
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Bush's kind of response is
kind of, it's almost a bit surreal.
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It's a bit strange.
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He just sits there very
calmly, just listening
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to the kids, and then he's told about
the second hit on the second tower.
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Please ensure all cell phones
and pages are off at this time.
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Thank you.
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Ladies and gentlemen, this is
a difficult moment for America.
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Today, we've had a national tragedy.
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Two airplanes have crashed
into the World Trade Center
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in an apparent terrorist
attack on our country.
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One of its most famous
landmarks destroyed, thousands
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dead, and America is under siege.
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At the time of the attack, Dick Cheney
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is the American Vice President,
and he's in the White House.
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Now, he moves very, very quickly to the
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secure underground bunker
beneath the White House, and
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he is watching as the situation escalates.
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The issue was that for an hour, from
9.30am to 10.30am, Cheney was not
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able to really communicate with anybody.
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He went into one of these deep bunkers
that had been built during the Cold War
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that had been equipped with all kinds of
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technology, and he was essentially
on his own to make decisions.
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Many people felt that he
actually massively overstepped
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the mark, giving an order for fighter jets
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to shoot down any hijacked airliners.
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I have spoken to the Vice President, and
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to conduct a full-scale
investigation, to hunt
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down and to find those
folks who committed this act.
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Cheney had said that he had spoken to
Bush and that he had gotten his approval
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but there is no official record of this.
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So a lot of people feel that Cheney
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is massively exceeding
his brief as Vice President.
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The President is not
incapacitated, so there's no
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reason why Cheney has to
assume the role of President.
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They're trying to save your
life, that's what they thought.
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I don't need no shade,
I don't need no shade.
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You can't help nobody right now.
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Terrorism against our
nation will not stand.
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May God bless the victims,
their families and America.
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Thank you very much.
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So the neocons, that is
short for neoconservatives,
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and they regard themselves as a new
form of right-wing politician, if you like.
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And their key policies is that they're very
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hawkish, they're very
pro-fighting wars overseas, and
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they like intervening in
other countries' business.
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The neocons believed in a much
more aggressive foreign policy.
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They believed that the U.S. needed to
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not just contain communism but actually
spread democracy around the world.
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In particular, they were
focused on the Middle East.
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Neocons tended to see the world in very
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black and white thinking,
in evil versus good,
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in sort of binary style of thinking.
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And so you've got figures like Dick
Cheney, who's the American Vice President.
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You've got the Defense
Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld.
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Actually, the most fervent
neocon was Deputy Secretary
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of Defense Paul Wolfowitz.
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He had written a paper in 1992 outlining
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a new American foreign policy that would be
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much more aggressive in
the Middle East in particular.
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He did not like the fact that the elder
Bush had left Saddam Hussein in power
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after the Gulf War.
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Now, you know, these individuals have
massive amounts of influence over Bush.
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They make him look like
a kind of puppet president.
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Bush may have a fairly good steer on
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domestic policy, i.e. stuff
within the United States.
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But when it comes to foreign policy, it's
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these guys who look like they're in charge.
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Make no mistake, the
United States will hunt
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down and punish those
responsible for these cowardly acts.
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In many ways, the 9-11 attack was
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a kind of gift to the
neoconservatives because
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this sort of provides an excuse for them
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to push their agenda
for Middle East reform.
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I mean, they've long
wanted to topple Saddam
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Hussein, who is the dictator in Iraq.
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Up until this point, Iraq was not an
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ally of the US, certainly, but
there wasn't any reason to invade.
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On the very day of the attack, on
9-11 itself, Donald Rumsfeld says to one
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of his aides, you know,
let's go and hit Iraq as well.
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Let's not just, you know,
concentrate on Bin Laden.
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Let's concentrate on Saddam Hussein.
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Donald Rumsfeld tells an aide, we need to
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look for connections of how
Iraq was involved in 9-11.
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You know, we can kill
as many birds as we like.
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You know, the world's
sympathy is going to be with us.
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And Rumsfeld very quickly
capitalizes on the situation.
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This was an unprovoked
attack on absolutely innocent
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people and thousands and thousands of them.
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There is no justification for it.
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It's a product of insanity.
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It's the insanity of terrorism.
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And we have to do something about it.
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We have to do something about it as
a nation and we have to do something
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about it as a city in
the way we react to it.
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Do you feel you're sending
a message to the terrorists?
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We are sending a message to the terrorists.
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The message is a simple one.
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You're not going to stop us.
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We promoted 186 people from
the fire department yesterday.
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Today the stock exchange opens.
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Before you know it, while we're still in
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sorrow, you're going to see
the buildings start rising again.
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I'm going to fix you, I'll
confiscate the camera.
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There was documentation of accounts
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with millions of dollars and
highly confidential documents.
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It looks as if you wouldn't think anything
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like this could have happened
unless there was an agreement.
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Oh, fantastic.
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I want you all to know
that America today, America
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today is on bended knee in prayer for
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the people whose lives were lost here for
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the workers who work here,
for the families who mourn.
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This nation stands with the good people of
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New York City and New
Jersey and Connecticut
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as we mourn the loss of
thousands of our citizens.
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So four days after 9-11 on September
15th, Bush and his team were meeting to
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discuss their response.
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Bush agreed that the U.S. needed to
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invade Afghanistan, that
there was no doubt about this.
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But what was also put on
the table was to invade Iraq.
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At this point, Bush didn't shut it down,
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essentially said that he was open
to discussing it more in the future.
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Good afternoon.
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On my orders, the
United States military has
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begun strikes against
Al-Qaeda terrorist training camps
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and military installations of the
Taliban regime in Afghanistan.
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On October the 7th,
2001, you have President
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Bush formally announcing
the start of what is
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known as Operation Enduring Freedom.
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Typically, the Americans give
these operations really literal names.
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And that marks the U.S.'s
military intervention in Afghanistan.
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That is a direct response to 9-11.
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Today, we focus on Afghanistan,
but the battle is broader.
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Every nation has a choice to make.
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In this conflict, there
is no neutral ground.
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If any government sponsors
the outlaws and killers
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of innocents, they have become
outlaws and murderers themselves.
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Bush is saying, listen, you know,
we're not just targeting the terrorists.
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We're also going to target the
regime that is supporting them.
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And we're going to go in and we're
going to turn things upside down.
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We are going to
get rid of that regime.
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And we're going to put in a new
government, basically, of our own making.
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In other American wars,
enemy commanders have come
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to doubt the wisdom of taking on the
strength and power of this nation and the
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resolve of her people.
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The Americans know that
the Taliban are providing
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safe haven for Bin Laden, who had
organized the 9-11 attacks, and lots of his
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followers.
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I expect that somewhere in a cave in
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Afghanistan, there's a
terrorist leader who is at
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this moment considering
precisely the same thing.
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Osama bin Laden was the
founder and leader of al-Qaeda.
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And that's this very
sort of loosely arranged
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militant Islamist group, which
were responsible for planning
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and executing the 9-11 attacks,
and also many, many other attacks.
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They were able to help the Taliban to
control 90% of Afghanistan as they were
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taking over the vast
majority of the country.
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Because he wants to
basically establish a kind
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of global Islamic regime,
or a caliphate, as it's known.
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And he sees the United States as the
primary enemy, the primary obstacle.
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I don't blame anybody
other than Osama bin Laden.
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He has brought nothing but
death and terror wherever he goes.
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Now he's bringing it to
the people of Afghanistan.
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Beautiful as they look from up here, the
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snow-capped peaks of Afghanistan
present a problem for US forces.
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Because this environment
is almost certainly hiding the
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world's most wanted man.
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Down there somewhere is Osama bin Laden.
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America's decided on its enemy.
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The wanted posters are out for Afghan-based
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Osama bin Laden, and the people
here back military action to get him.
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But I can assure the American
people, I am determined.
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I'm not going to be distracted.
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I will keep my focus to make sure
that not only are these brought to justice,
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but anybody who's been
associated will be brought to justice.
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Those who harbour terrorists
will be brought to justice.
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This crusade, this war
on terrorism, is going
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to take a while.
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And the American people must be patient.
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The US-led coalition that goes into
Afghanistan is tremendously successful.
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Within three months of the US invasion of
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Afghanistan, the Taliban had collapsed.
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They have kicked the Taliban out.
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They've installed Karzai
as the Afghan leader.
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And they've done this through
airstrikes, a massive ground assault.
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It is basically a tremendously
successful operation.
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The Taliban was forced
to leave the country.
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And they found a home in Pakistan.
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The problem is, how
do you stay in power?
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How can you keep this country stable?
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And as the Americans are going
to find out, that is very difficult.
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We've never let up on
Osama bin Laden from day one.
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We've actively and
aggressively pursued him.
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We've captured and killed
thousands of al-Qaeda,
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various places around the world,
and especially in Afghanistan.
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We'll continue to very
aggressively pursue him.
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And I'm confident,
eventually, we'll get him.
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The advantage seems to be his.
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But before this year is out, the
Americans have vowed to find him.
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The US defense secretary
said special forces were
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hunting Osama bin Laden,
despite obvious difficulties.
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It's not a bottle that you can cork.
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It's a large country
with a lot of borders.
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One has to be realistic.
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I think we'll find him, either
there or in some other country.
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But you don't know where
he is, and you can't find him.
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We have not found him, but
we can find him, and we will.
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And he and those who he leads will
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be held accountable for
what happened last Tuesday.
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He's on the run, if
he's running at all.
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So we don't know whether he's in
a cave with the door shut, or a cave
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with the door open.
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We just don't know.
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There's all kinds of reports
and all kinds of speculation.
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But one thing we know is that he's
not in charge of Afghanistan anymore.
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On the 28th of December 2001, you've got
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President Bush giving a
speech at his Texas ranch.
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And he's standing next
to General Tommy Franks,
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who is the commander of US Central
Command for the whole Afghan invasion.
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It's basically a speech
all about the frustration
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the Americans are feeling that Osama
bin Laden has not yet been captured.
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And he alluded to the fact that while he
hoped that the year would be peaceful,
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he was realistic and he
didn't think that it would be.
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And so while I hope that 2002
is a year of peace, I'm realistic.
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But then he goes into the ranch with
Franks, and it's there that Bush then says
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to Franks, OK, we're going to turn
our attention somewhere else now.
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We're going to look
at going in to Iraq.
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In November of 2001,
Secretary of Defense Donald
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Rumsfeld was informing
General Tommy Franks that he
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needed to start the
planning for the war in Iraq.
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This took place during the Afghan
war and without the public knowledge.
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I think those who
would anticipate that it's
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sort of in quickly and out quickly in
Afghanistan would not be pleased.
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Although the US have been focusing on the
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war in Afghanistan, you
have got the neoconservatives,
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men like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz.
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They've been pushing for
military action in Iraq for years.
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The neocons wanted to
invade Iraq because they
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wanted to completely
transform the Middle East into
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a sea of liberal democracies that were
more pliant to the US administration.
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Their desire to invade
Iraq is very controversial.
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But if you were going to defend them,
they would say, look, we want to have
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a democratic, stable Middle East.
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We don't want these
dictators like Saddam Hussein
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helping to run the show over there.
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We want to get rid of these guys.
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You know, we want to have
a world which is democratic.
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It has equal rights for
women and so on and so forth.
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So this is what they would say.
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But in order to achieve that, they've got
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to come up with some pretty remarkable
excuses as to why they really want to go
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and invade Iraq as well as Afghanistan.
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Now, the issue, of course, was that the
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regimes in the Middle
East were fairly authoritarian
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and there wasn't really
any movement domestically.
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There wasn't any bottom-up
movement to change that.
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So they did the best that they could
to try to pinpoint Iraq being involved in
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the planning of 9-11, even though
there wasn't really any evidence of that.
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Now, Afghanistan is sheltering terrorists.
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It's a completely legitimate
place for the Americans
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and their allies to go
and wage some war.
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Iraq is not sheltering terrorists.
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So what do the neocons do?
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What's the excuse they come up with?
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What they say is Saddam Hussein has
weapons of mass destruction or WMDs.
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Our enemies are innovative and resourceful.
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And so were we.
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They never stop thinking about new ways to
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harm our country and our
people, and neither do we.
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So in January of 2002, Bush gave a
State of the Union address that is often
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known as his access of evil speech.
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Our second goal is to prevent regimes that
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sponsor terror from threatening
America or our friends
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and allies with weapons
of mass destruction.
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And it's during that
speech where he introduces
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this whole concept of the access of evil.
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Now, those are three countries.
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Iraq, Iran, and North Korea.
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And the whole purpose of the speech is
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to highlight the perceived
global threat by those nations.
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The Iraqi regime has
plotted to develop anthrax
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and nerve gas and nuclear
weapons for over a decade.
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It was in this speech that he starts
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using the words weapons
of mass destruction and
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starts to warn the
American public that Iraq
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is pursuing WMDs, and that Iraq poses
an enormous threat to U.S. security.
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That they're destabilizing the
world, and they've got to be dealt with.
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And so that speech is setting
the stage for an invasion of Iraq.
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The United States of
America will not permit
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the world's most dangerous
regimes to threaten us
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with the world's most destructive weapons.
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We have now no choice.
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So we will act.
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And our determination in acting is total.
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We will not let up or rest until
our objectives are met in full.
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At the time, the British government is led
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by Prime Minister Tony Blair, and
he is a real key ally of George Bush's.
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And he is fully supportive of Bush's stance
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on Iraq, even though there was very
widespread public opposition in the UK.
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So Prime Minister Tony Blair of the UK
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was really in lockstep with the Bush
administration about invading Iraq.
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He never really wavered
in his support, while
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other European allies
were far more critical and
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wanted more information,
wanted more proof, and were
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really hesitant to support
any kind of invasion of Iraq.
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What this latest terrorist outrage
shows us is that this is a war.
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Its main battleground is Iraq.
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We have got to make sure we defeat
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these terrorists, the former
Saddam people in Iraq,
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and we must do that because that is
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an essential part of
defeating this fanaticism and
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extremism that is killing innocent
people all over our world today.
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So what the government in the UK
is trying to do is to say, Saddam is
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a direct threat to British lives.
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And this is a way of trying to justify
an invasion and trying to justify why
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the British support Bush.
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Here's why Iraq is important in this.
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Because in the end, their case, which is
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based on dividing
people, the Arab world and
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the Western world, the Muslim world and the
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Christian world and other
religions, their case is
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that we are in Iraq to suppress Muslims,
steal their oil, to spoil the country.
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Now, we know, you know,
that all those things are lies.
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So there was a memo that was leaked
by the British that showed that the US
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was actually planning
to invade Iraq well before,
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and that they were using and cherry-picking
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facts in ways that
could justify an invasion.
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The joint press conference showed
their shared mission to eradicate evil.
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But if President Bush has the power in
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this relationship, Mr Blair showed
himself to be its most powerful advocate.
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It will not be a war against Iraq.
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It will be a war to liberate Iraq.
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What we see now is this kind of process
of fear-mongering the public to make
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them support the idea
of a war against Iraq.
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The choice is not ours,
it is Saddam Hussein's.
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If he will not disarm voluntarily,
we will do it for him by force, and his
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regime will join the Taliban
in the dustbin of history.
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So the Bush administration
engaged in a great
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deal of fear-mongering to shape the view
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of the American public that Iraq was
acquiring weapons of mass destruction.
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This started with Vice
President Dick Cheney going
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on television in August
of 2002 and basically
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lying to the American
public that Saddam Hussein
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had acquired weapons of mass destruction.
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Simply stated, there is
no doubt that Saddam
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Hussein now has weapons
of mass destruction.
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There is no doubt that he is amassing
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them to use them against our friends,
against our allies, and against us.
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Even Condoleezza Rice
and others in the Bush
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administration, you know, using
imagery of mushroom clouds
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to say that, you know, there could be
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a nuclear attack, and everyone
knows what a mushroom cloud signifies.
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And then in February of 2003, Secretary of
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State Colin Powell famously
spoke in front of the United Nations.
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I remember him actually
bringing these cylinders that
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supposedly were evidence
that Iraq had a nuclear
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program, that this was ample
evidence that they posed a huge threat.
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Indeed, the facts and
Iraq's behavior show that
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Saddam Hussein and his
regime are concealing their
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efforts to produce more
weapons of mass destruction.
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The world's got to kind of
believe the Secretary of State.
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Why wouldn't you believe him?
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He's a kind of decorated
general, a very authoritative figure.
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And unless we act, we are confronting
an even more frightening future.
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Saddam Hussein is a
homicidal dictator who is
478
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,160
addicted to weapons of mass destruction.
479
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,040
You would hear the words weapons of mass
480
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,120
destruction, WMDs,
repeatedly used in the media.
481
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,720
The words weapons of mass destruction was a
482
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,360
key phrase to trigger Americans to be more
483
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,680
worried about Iraq than
they might normally be.
484
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,240
The government was going on and on and
485
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,120
on about them, saying this is the
primary justification for invading Iraq.
486
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,440
You know, Saddam has got these WMDs.
487
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:22,760
They could threaten the US.
488
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:23,936
They could threaten its allies.
489
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:30,720
We cannot wait for the final proof, the
smoking gun that could come in the form
490
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:31,920
of a mushroom cloud.
491
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,880
The world is going to be a lot,
lot safer if we get rid of Saddam,
492
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,240
because in doing so, we'll also get rid
493
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,600
of the threat posed by his supposed WMDs.
494
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,000
It is clear, however,
that if left unchecked,
495
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,800
Saddam Hussein will
continue to increase his capacity
496
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,920
to wage biological and
chemical warfare and will
497
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,680
keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.
498
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,520
You've got this constant
harping on that post
499
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,640
9-11, the world's completely changed.
500
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:06,960
It's much more dangerous.
501
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,760
And in order to protect US lives,
what we've got to do is go into the
502
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,640
Middle East, go in hard, take down these
503
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:20,080
regimes and install new
democratic cosy allies.
504
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,320
As dawn broke over the Arabian Sea, the
505
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,880
carrier Abraham Lincoln
was being replenished.
506
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,800
Helicopters winching aboard
supplies of bombs and ammunition,
507
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,720
food and fuel for a conflict
many on board believe is coming.
508
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,560
Which is why below deck,
President Bush's speech
509
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,920
was being followed intently by sailors
too young to have yet experienced war.
510
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,400
The terrorists know that the outcome in the
511
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,680
war on terror will depend
on the outcome in Iraq.
512
00:31:53,880 --> 00:32:00,480
And so to protect our citizens,
the free world must succeed in Iraq.
513
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,360
Saddam, you know,
he's an evil, nasty dictator.
514
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:19,816
You know, he has people executed.
515
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:20,840
He has people tortured.
516
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,960
Those that worked with
Saddam said that he's
517
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,456
either going to make you a
millionaire or he's going to kill you.
518
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,720
There was just really no
middle ground with him.
519
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,880
He uses chemical weapons.
520
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,520
He wages war on his neighbour, Iran.
521
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,240
He either provided you with all kinds
of goods and luxury and co-opted you or
522
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,840
the next day he could chop your
body up, put it in a body bag and
523
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,800
deliver it to your wife.
524
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:51,640
He intimidates his population,
surveillance, secret police, you name it.
525
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,000
He famously held a series of trials where
526
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,600
he announced all of the traitors in the
527
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:03,640
room and then forced those that
were remaining to execute these traitors.
528
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,040
He is a classic dictator.
529
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,600
And he tended to want to surround himself
530
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:20,000
with those without expertise,
without bravery, without experience,
531
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,160
rather than surround
himself with people who he
532
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,720
viewed could threaten
his own political survival.
533
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:32,360
But he's also thinking, I don't just
want to be kind of head of Iraq, I
534
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,200
want to be head leader
of the whole Arab world.
535
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,200
I mean, he is nothing if
not completely ambitious.
536
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,160
And so this is why he
starts the Iran-Iraq war.
537
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,320
It goes on for eight years and ultimately
538
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,440
results in stalemate with hundreds
of thousands of deaths on both sides.
539
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,880
And this is why he invades Kuwait in
1990, which is why he becomes the kind
540
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,880
of public enemy number one for so many
541
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,280
in the United States, because
Kuwait is a friendly country.
542
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,280
And Saddam is wanting to take
Kuwait because he wants its oil.
543
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,120
He's literally just trying
to steal another country.
544
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:12,760
Saddam Hussein and his sons
must leave Iraq within 48 hours.
545
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,480
In March 2003, Bush
issues this public ultimatum
546
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,480
to Saddam Hussein,
right, you leave Iraq within
547
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,000
48 hours, two days, or we
are gonna go in with our forces.
548
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,600
You are gonna face military action.
549
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,760
Their refusal to do so will result in
550
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,120
military conflict commenced
at a time of our choosing.
551
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:39,080
The Americans are firm,
uncompromising, and they're not
552
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,760
gonna wait for more UN sanctions.
553
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,000
They're gonna go it alone.
554
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,560
They don't care about the UN anymore.
555
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,680
Seven days after the phone call,
parliament supported military action.
556
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,560
And the following day on March the 19th,
557
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,200
the Iraq war started.
558
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,200
You've got the US, you've got the UK,
559
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,096
you've got a whole coalition of allies, and
560
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,000
their goal is simply to remove
Saddam Hussein from power.
561
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:12,960
And you've got this intense
562
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,880
aerial bombardment of key targets.
563
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,600
And that is known as shock and awe.
564
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,200
And actually, you know,
it really is shock and awe.
565
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,520
They are absolutely decimating
all these military targets,
566
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,120
all these governmental targets
in Baghdad and elsewhere.
567
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,360
So the Iraq war was a
disaster for Saddam Hussein.
568
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,040
He had completely
neglected his army because he
569
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,160
had coup-proofed the regime
and created these parallel militaries.
570
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,440
These parallel militaries,
in turn, were smuggling their
571
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,720
weapons and sending
them off to Saudi Arabia.
572
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,680
I mean, you know, the Iraqis
don't put up any defense.
573
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,560
And frankly, why would
they really bother when
574
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,680
you've got the mightiest
nations in the world
575
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,400
turning up on your doorstep
and just kicking your door down?
576
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:58,896
There's nothing you can really do about it.
577
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,920
Hussein would surround
himself by really those who
578
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,920
were just completely incompetent,
who were sycophantic, who
579
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,560
were often using in their
communication about how
580
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,160
the military was performing
sort of this flowery
581
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:17,200
language that they were performing
so well with the spirit of a warrior.
582
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,680
And for Saddam, that was what mattered more
583
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,560
than actual genuine military strategy.
584
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:30,680
Then the ground invasion starts and
basically Baghdad falls within three weeks.
585
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,880
Together, coalition forces
are advancing day by day
586
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,600
in steady progress against the enemy.
587
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:49,080
Slowly but surely, the
grip of terror around
588
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,600
the throats of the Iraqi people is being
589
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:57,880
loosened and Saddam Hussein will
be removed no matter how long it takes.
590
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,840
The U.S. military was able to quickly
overwhelm the demoralized Iraqi forces.
591
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,640
At the same time, Saddam
Hussein's spokesman, Tariq
592
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:10,200
Aziz, was claiming
that the battle was going
593
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,640
well, that Iraqis were
doing better than ever.
594
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:20,000
But by April of 2003, Saddam
Hussein's statue was toppled.
595
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,960
Into the very heart of Baghdad, U.S.
596
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,320
tanks and troops finally arrive,
spelling the end for the Iraqi regime.
597
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,200
The stars and stripes have come to town.
598
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,280
Saddam Hussein's reign of terror is over.
599
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,600
So nearly three weeks after this war
began, U.S. forces are now coming into the
600
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,040
center of Baghdad.
601
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,360
This is what regime change looks like.
602
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,320
What's it like being in
the middle of Baghdad?
603
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:48,880
It's kind of crazy.
604
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:51,400
Pretty good warm welcome from everybody.
605
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:52,840
Good luck.
606
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:53,920
- Stay safe.
- Thank you.
607
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,640
The president's rule is no more.
608
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,680
Years of repression and brutality
have been brought to a close.
609
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,160
Will you bring his statue down?
610
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,080
At first, they tried to knock it
down using a sledgehammer.
611
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,360
The Americans brought in a tank
recovery vehicle to finish the job.
612
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:21,000
Then, the moment of
history, the moment Saddam's
613
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,360
regime could finally
be said to be at an end.
614
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,560
Baghdad falls quickly.
615
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,400
Saddam Hussein's statue has toppled.
616
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,080
This is the beginning of
years and years of chaos.
617
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,520
And what's more, where is Saddam?
618
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,120
It's on May the 1st, 2003, that you
619
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:27,120
have President Bush delivering his now
notorious mission accomplished speech.
620
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,160
And he's on board this
massive aircraft carrier,
621
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:40,160
the Abraham Lincoln,
and Baghdad has fallen.
622
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,760
And behind him is this huge banner
that goes, mission accomplished.
623
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,920
Now, he actually didn't
use the words mission
624
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:56,080
accomplished, but that was what
a banner behind him was showing.
625
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,840
And during this speech, he claimed that all
626
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,960
combat operations in Iraq were complete.
627
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,720
Major combat operations in Iraq have ended.
628
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:11,200
In the battle of Iraq, the United
States and our allies have prevailed.
629
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:13,680
The war's been won.
630
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:14,920
We've done it in three weeks.
631
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,280
Job done.
632
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:17,600
We're in charge.
633
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,040
The world is safe.
634
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:20,000
We've won.
635
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:25,800
Because of you, the tyrant
has fallen and Iraq is free.
636
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:36,320
But of course, you know, this is
massively arrogant or hubristic.
637
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,000
You know, that banner becomes this kind of
638
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,080
symbol of irony and miscommunication.
639
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,720
Because he wanted a big photo op, he
640
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,840
was wearing a military bomber
jacket and he was on an aircraft carrier.
641
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,920
And he wanted to use this as a
642
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,560
sign that his administration
had been incredibly successful
643
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,760
in its conflict with Iraq.
644
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,880
While these are powerful images for his re
645
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,560
-election campaign next
year, Mr. Bush knows that
646
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,960
declaring victory would
be somewhat premature.
647
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,600
After all, Saddam
Hussein still has not been
648
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,200
captured and the weapons of mass
destruction still have not been found.
649
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,040
Mission accomplished
speech was one of his regrets.
650
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,960
Because the mission has
not been accomplished.
651
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,040
In fact, it's barely even been started.
652
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,440
It was ironic.
653
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,720
The war in Iraq was nowhere near over.
654
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,776
In fact, there would be years and years
655
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,400
and billions and billions
of money spent and
656
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,360
many troops would die in the aftermath.
657
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,600
We have got years of
bloodshed ahead of us.
658
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:57,936
One of the first things the Americans are
659
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,040
doing after they're now in control of Iraq
660
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,976
or they think they're in control of
Iraq is to go out looking for weapons of
661
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,760
mass destruction because
obviously that's the reason why
662
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,680
everybody's gone in and invaded it.
663
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:13,400
But by the time that Bush came to
power, Iraq was really a shell of its
664
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,320
former self and they really didn't have the
665
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:21,600
financial strength to build
or the technological ability
666
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,720
to really build an
effective nuclear program.
667
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,960
And they start turning
up every petal, every
668
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,000
stone going to every
factory and what do they find?
669
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:30,680
Nothing.
670
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,040
There are no weapons
of mass destruction in Iraq.
671
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:39,080
This is a huge, major embarrassment
for the US and our allies.
672
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,760
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is
about to come before the commission
673
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,880
and is certain to be questioned about the
Bush administration's alleged
674
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,720
fixation with attacking a country
with no Al-Qaeda connection, Iraq.
675
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,240
The Americans and the British kept
saying that Saddam has definitely got WMDs.
676
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,240
Okay, we haven't found them yet but what
677
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,080
are the chances of him not having them?
678
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,880
It was kind of relying on an
enormous amount of trust.
679
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:06,736
The public are going to trust what their
680
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,200
governments tell them and
their governments have also
681
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,320
got to create this atmosphere
of suspicion around Saddam.
682
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,480
US really didn't have
any concrete evidence that
683
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,680
Iraq was pursuing weapons
of mass destruction, that
684
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,360
it was pursuing nuclear weapons or that it
685
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,560
had the technological ability
to make much progress in this.
686
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,840
You would have to be, let's face facts,
687
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,080
pretty confident to have said in the build
688
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:35,880
-up to the Iraq war, Saddam
definitely does not have WMDs.
689
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,280
You know, the jury was still out
but the problem is that the US and the
690
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,760
British were saying
he's definitely got them.
691
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,720
David Kaye, the man America
sent to Iraq to find weapons
692
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,560
of mass destruction,
returns to Capitol Hill today
693
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,800
to deliver the news the
government didn't want to hear.
694
00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:00,840
So in 2004, David Kaye, who was a part
of the Iraq survey group, famously noted
695
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,320
in front of the Senate that the US had
very poor intelligence, that they got it
696
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:06,000
all wrong.
697
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,040
It's clear we've got a problem now.
698
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,000
But the man who searched in vain for
those weapons told ITV News it would be
699
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,440
better to acknowledge a
huge intelligence failure.
700
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:17,320
To be honest, I don't think anyone thought,
701
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,200
I certainly didn't think, it would
take this long to find them.
702
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,200
I mean, this is a crucial moment.
703
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,800
This man knows what he's talking about and
704
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,640
it's now that the world
finally realises that
705
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:31,920
the pretext for war has
effectively been a lie.
706
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,640
It turns out we were all wrong,
probably, in my judgement.
707
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,480
And that is most disturbing.
708
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,840
Have you found any
weapons of mass destruction?
709
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:44,840
I've barely found lunch.
710
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,360
This report comes out in 2004 and that
711
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,800
even confirms that Saddam
had actually destroyed his
712
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:55,440
WMDs in the 1990s and there had
been no active programmes since then.
713
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,360
There were no weapons
of mass destruction, that
714
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,360
these were all lies, that these were all
715
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,440
mistruths that were peddled by the
neocons in the Bush administration.
716
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,760
So as a result, it was very easy
for critics to go, right, well there are
717
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,160
no WMDs, you had a pretty good idea
there weren't any WMDs, so why did you
718
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:14,240
go in?
719
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,160
Why were you manipulating intelligence?
720
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,440
Why were you exaggerating the threat?
721
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,800
Did you go in because you want
American control of the Middle East?
722
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,680
Did you go in because you want oil?
723
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,600
Is this part of a broader strategy
to reshape the Middle East?
724
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,880
Did you lie about WMDs?
725
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,080
To get your way.
726
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:40,280
♪ Weapon of mass destruction
ain't never been found ♪
727
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:46,880
♪ Homeland Security, please
lay your weapons down ♪
728
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:54,080
By 2007, public support for the
war in Iraq had really dwindled.
729
00:45:54,320 --> 00:46:00,440
In fact, a vast majority of Americans
wanted US troops to come home and some 60
730
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,760
% were in agreement that the
war in Iraq was a huge failure.
731
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,000
This is George Bush and the Queen
as you will not see them in London this
732
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,240
week, riding in an open
carriage, surrounded and
733
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,920
protected by anti-war demonstrators.
734
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,360
This was the closest George Bush and his
735
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,160
entourage have come
so far to the protesters
736
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:22,880
who object to his state visit to Britain.
737
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,440
Anti-Bush activists were running
towards the Queen Victoria Memorial.
738
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,600
They hoped their cries would carry to the
739
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,840
apartments where the Bushes are staying.
740
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,600
The government told us
that there were weapons,
741
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:39,480
there were some weapons ready to be
used within 45 minutes and there was such a
742
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,560
threat that we not only had to
invade Iraq, we had to do it then.
743
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,800
Before dusk, there'd been
22 arrests according to
744
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,120
Scotland Yard, none
under anti-terrorism laws.
745
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,640
The Prime Minister, he says, has until the
746
00:46:55,720 --> 00:47:00,400
end of the summer holidays, just seven
weeks, to come up with proof of WMD or
747
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:01,480
he should resign.
748
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,640
The UK and US leaderships wanted to justify
749
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:08,240
military action on the basis of weapons of
750
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,480
mass destruction and
so they talked them up.
751
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,160
Now we hear them talking them
down because they haven't found them.
752
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,600
Information is what
the British public and the
753
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,360
United States public as well as the world
754
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:28,960
need with reference to why we went
into this war and where, if any, are the
755
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,320
weapons of mass destruction.
756
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,160
Well, I think the surprise about this
report is there really are no surprises.
757
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,000
We've taken virtually
another 12 months and about
758
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,840
800 million US dollars to come to the
conclusion where we were last October.
759
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,120
We're here to report to President Bush that
760
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,440
we found his weapons of mass destruction.
761
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:47,600
They weren't in Iraq.
762
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,840
They're located in Britain
and in the United States.
763
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,760
Saddam and his delusional
state had every intent
764
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,120
of recreating weapons of mass destruction.
765
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,840
The physical and social
infrastructure of Iraq had
766
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:03,720
so decayed into a vortex of corruption and
767
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:09,120
utter incapability of reproducing large
amounts of weapons of mass destruction.
768
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,160
So no, there was no imminent threat.
769
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:13,440
The anti-war movement
has taken to the streets.
770
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,560
These neocons like the American
Enterprise Institute believe
771
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,320
in freedom, the freedom to lie, the freedom
772
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,280
to cheat, the freedom to exploit a false
773
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,520
democracy of which our
country is foreign victim.
774
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:35,600
Once again, the Hawks
are back in the ascendancy.
775
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,000
Just a week ago, President Bush sought to
776
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,840
dampen the frenzy of speculation on Iraq.
777
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,160
So on November the 8th, 2006, US Secretary
778
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:47,640
of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, he resigns.
779
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,000
There's been so much criticism
regarding what's been going on in Iraq.
780
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:58,080
This was at a time when public
support for the Iraq war was really low.
781
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,840
There was very low morale.
782
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:04,120
There was very little support
for the neocon policies.
783
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,080
Blame for poor planning,
mismanagement of the war,
784
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,080
lack of proper planning
for the post-Saddam phase.
785
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,480
Then you've got all the abuses carried out
786
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,520
by Americans on
prisoners at a prison called
787
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,800
Abu Ghraib in which prisoners are tortured.
788
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,560
A suitably somber Mr Bush engaged in what's
789
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,000
become an almost daily act of contrition.
790
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,920
People, there will be a full accounting
791
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,840
for the cruel and disgraceful
abuse of Iraqi detainees.
792
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,680
This isn't looking like, you know, the West
793
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:40,440
being a nice, democratic,
respecter of human rights.
794
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,360
This is just basically a complete cock-up.
795
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,960
The president reeling
from his first full-blown
796
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,520
scandal, though still
determined to stand by his man.
797
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,520
You're doing a superb job.
798
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,360
You are a strong secretary of defense and
799
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,520
our nation owes you a debt of gratitude.
800
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,080
Yet behind the show of
unity, divisions festering.
801
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,080
Dick Cheney pressing
for Rumsfeld to stay, an
802
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,360
aide to Condi Rice
claiming she wouldn't mind
803
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,360
if he went, though she's denied it.
804
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:18,600
I must say that it's been the highest
honor of my life to serve with the
805
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,920
talented men and women of
the Department of Defense.
806
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,840
They will remain in my prayers always.
807
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:27,600
Thank you.
808
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,960
Now, throughout all this
period, back in Afghanistan,
809
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,600
you've got bin Laden still in hiding.
810
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:40,720
The US invaded Afghanistan
with the aim of capturing bin Laden.
811
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,440
And though they were
able to control probably
812
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:49,280
about 90% of Afghanistan by December
of 2001, in a famous battle in Tora Bora,
813
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,440
which was bin Laden's stronghold,
he somehow mysteriously escaped.
814
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,280
And why haven't they found bin Laden?
815
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,440
That was one of the primary reasons for
816
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,120
going into Afghanistan,
was to not only dismantle
817
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,600
the country being used as a safe haven
818
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,760
for terrorists like al-Qaeda, but also
you've got to capture the head guy.
819
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,240
You've got to capture bin Laden.
820
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:10,896
It was definitely a source
of embarrassment for
821
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,960
the Bush administration
that they were never able
822
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,640
to capture bin Laden, given that that was
823
00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:17,936
one of the main objectives
of the invasion of Afghanistan.
824
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,800
Now, you could say that this is a
825
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,680
complete failure of the Bush
administration to find him.
826
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:29,000
But the truth is, it is very, very
difficult trying to find one man in a
827
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:33,240
country like Afghanistan,
which is chaotic, it's mountainous,
828
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:37,720
and besides, bin Laden may
not even be in Afghanistan at all.
829
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,720
I believe the proper use of power by
830
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,400
America will make the
world more peaceful, America
831
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,240
more secure, and as
importantly, people more free.
832
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,040
I call upon all nations to do everything
833
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,280
they can to stop these terrorist killers.
834
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:55,640
Thank you.
835
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:57,720
Now watch this drive.
836
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,080
It's obviously very
easy to be cynical about
837
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,560
why the Americans went into Iraq,
but they weren't the only nation going in.
838
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,800
The British and other nations
also supported the American forces.
839
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,920
The U.S. wanted to go to war with
Iraq because there was all kinds of
840
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,560
business potential deals
to be made, there was
841
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,400
all kinds of lucrative economic
opportunities, and because
842
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,800
Iraq had oil, and it was one of
the big oil producers in the world.
843
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,720
We flew up to the Ramallah oil field
844
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,760
this morning, west of
Bashar, where about 60
845
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,000
% of Iraq's oil is produced.
846
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,120
The army cares about its PR and the
847
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,640
story they wanted
reported was the speed with
848
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:39,840
which this oil field was
secured, with very little damage.
849
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:41,480
They felt that it would be better to
850
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,880
have a more pliant
democratic style leader in
851
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:49,600
power than Saddam Hussein, who
they viewed as a menace to U.S. stability.
852
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,720
I genuinely feel that
the motivation for going
853
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,720
in was a sincere
neoconservative belief that the
854
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,360
way to make the world safer is to
855
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,840
go into these countries,
invade them, and install
856
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,280
democratic, friendly governments.
857
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,280
The neocons were
accused of wanting to rebuild
858
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,280
Iraq because this would
be profitable for them,
859
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,800
profitable for their relationship
with oil companies, and
860
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,440
profitable for the reconstruction
company Halliburton, which Dick
861
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,880
Cheney had been on the board of, but
was no longer officially on the board of
862
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,600
once he became vice president.
863
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,680
The facts are the vice
president's company that
864
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,840
he was CEO of, that did business with
865
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,440
sworn enemies of the
United States, paid millions
866
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,280
of dollars in fines for providing
false financial information.
867
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,520
It's under investigation
for bribing foreign officials.
868
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,800
The same company that got a $7.5
869
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,000
billion no-bid contract.
870
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,040
Halliburton was accused
of overcharging the U.S.
871
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:54,160
for these contracts.
872
00:53:54,400 --> 00:54:01,160
Some $60 billion or so was the amount
that they overcharged the U.S. The rule
873
00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:02,920
is that part of their money is supposed
874
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,320
to be withheld when they're
under investigation, as
875
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,000
they are now, for having
overcharged the American taxpayer.
876
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,920
But they're getting every
dime of their money.
877
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,120
And at the same time, other companies that
878
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,560
were engaged in private
security were earning, I
879
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,120
mean, billions, billions
and billions of dollars.
880
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:25,160
So for the neocons, this was
this one big business venture.
881
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,560
Who could have possibly
envisioned an election in
882
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,120
Iraq at this point in history?
883
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:36,920
Even if we're going to be kind to
the neocons, this is just simply a very,
884
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,720
very flawed way of trying to
conduct international politics.
885
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,776
What we've learned from
Iraq, and what happened
886
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,960
afterwards, is that actually what you do by
887
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:46,920
trying to, you know, get rid of these
888
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,440
dictators is that you end up
destabilizing these countries even more.
889
00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:54,200
And you create an even more deadly and
890
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,760
evil kind of breeding
ground for violence and
891
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:02,080
terrorism and extremism than you did
under even someone like Saddam Hussein.
892
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:03,920
So you're getting rid of a bad guy,
893
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:08,240
but you're replacing him with
hundreds of thousands of bad guys.
894
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,680
To most people, there was really only one
895
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,200
response, which would have
been to invade Afghanistan
896
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:18,920
and to deal with al-Qaeda.
897
00:55:19,720 --> 00:55:23,320
But instead, the U.S.
got distracted by Iraq.
898
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,880
And this came at a really critical
time when the U.S. was starting to really
899
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:33,120
gain headway in
Afghanistan, when there was a
900
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,056
chance for stability in
Afghanistan, when there was
901
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:36,440
a lot of troop deployment there.
902
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,800
At this very critical time, the U.S.
903
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:41,080
is diverted.
904
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,440
Its military, both troops
and just attention, is
905
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:49,120
diverted into Iraq, which
then created a hotbed
906
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,920
for terrorism, which had
not even existed before.
907
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:53,040
And this is the problem.
908
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,920
So I think that the
neoconservatives were arrogant.
909
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:57,040
I think they were naive.
910
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,040
I think they genuinely
believed that regime change
911
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,200
was the way to make the world safer.
912
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:03,560
They were wrong.
913
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:10,040
But given the situation in Iraq right
now, achievements will be a hard sell.
914
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:14,000
This week alone, at least 300 people
were killed in attacks by insurgents.
915
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,400
Most recent figures show an average of 87
916
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,160
attacks each day, the
highest number so far.
917
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,320
And then there's the
growing hostage problem.
918
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,600
More than 100 foreigners
have been taken hostage
919
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,160
in the last six months,
and 30 have been killed.
920
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,640
At the moment, at least 26 foreigners are
921
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:31,840
still being held, including a
Briton and two Americans.
922
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,440
So there was a huge
cost of the war on terror.
923
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,840
Financially, it cost $8 trillion.
924
00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:46,880
That is a big number.
925
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,320
And that's including all those
military operations, reconstruction
926
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,560
and aid, and also care
for veterans afterwards.
927
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,200
But it also led to some 4.5
928
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,640
million deaths indirectly, if you
look at all the conflicts that took place.
929
00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:05,680
900,000 people died in the direct
conflicts in Afghanistan and in Iraq.
930
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,080
38 million people were displaced.
931
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,760
You've got huge displacements
of millions of people.
932
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,760
Something like 4 million Iraqis
were displaced in that war alone.
933
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,160
And so this sparks this
kind of global refugee crisis.
934
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,800
And because of poor policies
concerning nation-building
935
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,160
in these countries in
which the Americans and
936
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,080
our allies went into,
what you are fomenting
937
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:35,520
is instability, and an instability
which can be exploited by terrorists.
938
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:41,000
The war on terror was
aiming to eliminate terrorism.
939
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:45,720
But what it really did was help generate
940
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,000
more terrorist groups than
ever before in the Middle East.
941
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,840
An immoral war was thus waged.
942
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,200
And the world is a great deal
less safe place than before.
943
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,360
The invasion of Iraq
instigated the formation of
944
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:05,800
al-Qaeda in Iraq, which was the
most brutal of the al-Qaeda franchise.
945
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,520
And from that would
emerge the Islamic State.
946
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,680
And so as a result, you get, you
947
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,960
know, organizations like
ISIS starting to come to
948
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,280
prominence in places like Iraq.
949
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,880
Which would then be wrecking havoc in not
950
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,320
just Iraq, but also in Syria and
would prolong the Syrian civil war.
951
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:30,000
Because, you know, they have got a
chaotic system which they can feed off.
952
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,840
So the war on terror
is partially successful,
953
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,200
but ultimately, in the long term, it
also creates lots more terrorism.
954
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,040
So if you're trying to
weigh it up, it's very difficult.
955
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,760
You clearly argue, which is now quite a
956
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,760
familiar argument, that the
Bush administration was intent
957
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:56,800
on going after Iraq, regardless of what
the truth was about the 9-11 attacks.
958
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,640
What do you believe was
the right response to 9-11?
959
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:00,840
What should they have done?
960
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:02,480
I would have responded in the same way
961
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:06,440
that it was a highly
devastating criminal attack,
962
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,840
but it's a terrorist attack
at the end of the day.
963
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,840
We have a very good means.
964
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:13,440
We have good intelligence.
965
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:19,040
There was no need to build up and
militarize this planet in response to 9-11
966
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,480
and call it a huge, as Bush did,
967
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,560
what was the words he used?
968
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:28,240
A tremendous battle, monumental
struggle between good and evil.
969
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:28,960
I mean, come on.
970
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,640
The United States chose
a different path with Bush.
971
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,336
It decided that the laws and the treaties
972
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,160
that exist between countries
did not exist for them.
973
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,000
And that we had the right to arrest or
go after anybody who was a terrorist.
974
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,360
But the definition of terrorism
has been extremely clouded.
975
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,760
And as we know, there's
a lot of lawsuits out there.
976
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,200
So the United States essentially
behaved like an outlaw.
977
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:55,720
Weak and insecure
people hardly ever say sorry.
978
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,840
It is large-hearted and
courageous people who
979
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:02,960
are not diminished by
saying, I made a mistake.
980
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:07,040
President Bush and Mr. Blair
would recover considerable
981
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:12,480
credibility and respect if they were
able to say, yes, we made a mistake.
982
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,960
If you ask who won the war on
terror, there's no simple answer.
983
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:17,640
I'm sorry.
984
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,440
I mean, on one level, you could say,
yes, the Americans did get rid of some
985
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:22,400
bad guys.
986
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,680
They did get rid of the regime in
Afghanistan, the Taliban regime.
987
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,960
You know, they did get
rid of Osama bin Laden.
988
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,040
They did really denude
al-Qaeda's capability for
989
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,600
creating more terrorist
plots on United States soil.
990
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,200
Getting rid of Saddam
Hussein, he wasn't a nice guy.
991
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,320
Maybe it was good
that he was got rid of.
992
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,840
But when you start looking
beyond those immediate
993
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,120
kind of wins, you look at Afghanistan now.
994
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,160
It's now ruled by the Taliban.
995
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,120
Hold on. I thought we
got rid of those guys.
996
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:53,840
Iraq feels a bit more stable.
997
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,560
But there were years and years and years
998
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,800
of insurgency and instability
and hundreds of thousands
999
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:03,320
of deaths and displacement
of civilian populations.
1000
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,280
So I think you have to say there
were some short-term victories.
1001
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:13,480
But in the long run, yeah, it's hard to say
that the Americans won the war on terror.
1002
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:17,440
And in fact, it's still being fought
and will be fought for decades.
1003
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:24,400
So who won the war on terror, a war
that lasted decades, cost $8 trillion, saw
1004
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,160
almost 1 million people
die in direct conflict?
1005
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:28,560
No one.
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