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As I was trying to find
the identities
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of these victims,
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I became pretty obsessed
with this case.
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The first barrel contained
skeletonized remains
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of an adult female
and a young child.
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The second barrel contained
two young girls.
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They just deserve names.
They should not be nameless.
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I was sitting on my couch
in my living room
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as I'm researching.
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That's when everything clicked.
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There were a few posts
that stood out to me.
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A young woman that had disappeared,
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and there was a family member
looking for her.
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I'm contacting her,
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because I know
that this is them.
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This is them, there's no way
it's not them.
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Everything matches.
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I'm like, "This woman's gonna
think I am a complete loon."
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You know, what can I lose?
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And within seven minutes,
she responds back.
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"You've got my heart pounding."
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And I'm like...
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"Oh my God, oh my God."
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And my hands started, like,
shaking uncontrollably,
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I'm like, "Oh my God,
oh my God, oh my God."
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[Rebekah] My name is
Rebekah Heath,
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and I am a research librarian
during the day.
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And by night, I like to
look into true crime.
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Up until high school,
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I would spend a lot of times
in the library.
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I think my personality,
as it is,
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I'm just inquisitive.
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I just love to dig into things.
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I love to find pieces of furniture
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that someone might think was trash,
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and make it look fancy and new again,
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make somebody want it again.
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I had a very
traumatic childhood.
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I craved a family,
I craved belonging.
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These Jane Doe cases
I researched
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are all nameless victims
who belong somewhere.
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Bear Brook was the first case
that I started looking into.
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The year was about 2010.
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There was a part of me that
really, truly wanted to believe
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that I was...
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like, a kidnapped kid.
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That I truly had a family
that loved me
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and wanted me in their lives,
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and so I started searching,
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"Missing girl, November 1985".
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And that is when the story
popped up.
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November 10th, 1985.
Three days before I was born.
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The first barrel was found
in New Hampshire.
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The first barrel contained
skeletonized remains
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of an adult female
and a young child,
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which they assumed was
likely the mother and daughter.
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The victims had died from
blunt force trauma.
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They had also been dismembered
and placed into the barrels.
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The descriptions of the victims
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just did not match anyone
that was missing.
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So, they did not know
who they were at that point.
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Back in 1985,
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they had done
door-to-door interviews.
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And each person they asked
knew nothing.
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It was just such a mystery.
How did they end up there?
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[Rebekah] 15 years later,
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the second barrel was found on
the same property.
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The second barrel contained
two young girls.
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They were also skeletonized
and wrapped in plastic.
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Now we have four victims.
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They exhumed the two victims
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from the first barrel
found back in 1985,
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and compare the DNA to
the second barrel's victims.
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They found out there was
a maternal match
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between the victims in
the first barrel;
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the adult female and
the oldest child.
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And in the second barrel,
the youngest girl.
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Assuming that they are a mother
and two daughters.
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The third little girl
who was in the second barrel
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had no relation whatsoever
to them.
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They still remained unidentified.
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[Rebekah] What,
you wanna eat?
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Jane Doe cases specifically
do resonate with me.
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Because I do see
a version of myself
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in these Jane Does.
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I was raised in
a religious cult,
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in a home that was not
very loving.
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My environment at home,
it, it was so toxic.
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So many people were just
so miserable.
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I remember, even as a kid,
just wondering, like,
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"What is it like to be loved?"
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Like, "What is it like to...
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be happy?"
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I needed some way out.
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And they're like, "Well,
you need to make a choice.
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It's us or the world."
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I was like, "Well, okay.
I choose the world."
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As I was leaving,
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I remember trembling,
being scared.
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Because I didn't know anyone.
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And there was so many times
I just wonder, like,
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how did I not somehow come in
down the path
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of somebody that was just
so evil
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and could make me disappear,
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and no one would come
looking for me?
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I think that's kinda
really what drives me.
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[Rebekah] I became
pretty obsessed with this case.
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It was hard for me to let it go.
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I started making it my mission
to try and find a little clue
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that could help tie
this case together
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and give these victims
back their names.
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If I am in an obsessive mood,
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there's something that just
won't let me stop.
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I could easily spend at least
six hours
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outside of work a day,
and then weekends.
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As soon as I wake up
'til I go to bed,
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I could just constantly just,
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like, I just gotta,
I gotta keep going.
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It's like, "One step closer.
One step closer."
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I generally search
the Doe Network,
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and I also like to use NamUs,
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which is a website that compiles
unidentified individuals.
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And I just try and put myself
in the perspective
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of a family member
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and see if I can find any people
that are looking for
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their loved ones.
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If I was looking to find
a loved one
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in approximately late '70s,
'80s,
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where would I go?
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So, I started going into
newspaper archives,
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through classified ads.
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People, a lot of times,
would post,
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looking for family members there.
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I also thought about if
they started looking for them,
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like, when the internet started.
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Where would they start looking?
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So, Ancestry has a message board
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where you could look for
missing loved ones.
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I would use keywords to search.
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"Sister", "daughter",
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I just start compiling
potential matches.
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And if I found out that
they are alive,
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then they'd be ruled out.
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[Rebekah] So, on Facebook,
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there was a group
that followed the case.
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So, somebody posted something,
and someone posed a question.
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You know, we might interact
with each other
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in the comment section
of the post.
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People would comment
about the case and say,
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"Why is nobody looking for
them?"
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Like, "Who could, how could
you just let someone go?"
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And to me, it wasn't that
there wasn't anyone looking.
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It was, how do we find
those people
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that are looking for them?
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And that's how I got in touch
with Ronda and Scott.
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[Ronda] I grew up in
southern New Hampshire,
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about 45 minutes from Allenstown.
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In 2011, I came to this case,
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and it said a woman and
three little girls
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were found out here in a barrel
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in the woods in Allenstown.
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That really bothered me,
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that not only had
someone killed them,
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but that somebody had actually
robbed them
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of their names, as well,
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and that they'd gone unidentified.
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Why wasn't there a huge outcry
in New Hampshire,
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in New England
about their disappearance?
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And so, I decided, "Oh,
I think I wanna go down
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and see the area
where they were found."
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I asked my siblings if
any of them would go with me.
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[Scott] Early on in the case,
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that was kinda hard for me
to understand, you know,
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how can a...?
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What we thought was a mother
and her three kids go missing,
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and no one seems to be
looking for the suspect?
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I wanted to lay eyes on
the property
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where they were found,
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just to kinda get some own
answers for myself.
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[Rebekah] It felt like a puzzle,
and you got all of these pieces.
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Just put 'em together.
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Like, how...?
I don't know.
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It just seemed like such
a solvable case.
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I feel like they are me.
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They just deserve names.
They should not be nameless.
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They need someone to fight
for them, and...
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I'm, I'm willing to do that.
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[Rebekah] I am on my way to
meet up with Ronda and Scott.
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It's been about three years
since we last got together.
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I think one main purpose was
that in these Facebook groups,
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we truly cared about
the victims.
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And if we could all come together
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and find some answers,
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that's really what mattered
the most.
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[Scott] Interesting meeting Rebekah.
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She really does know herself,
she's--know the case,
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and she's a great researcher.
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Both Ronda and I grew up
ten miles outside of Manchester.
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- New Hampshire.
- Yep, yep.
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But we moved out of the area
two years ago,
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so I probably haven't been back
for two years.
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I think it was last fall was the
last time I went up to the park
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and to the property.
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Follow up on loose ends.
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It's like a never-ending project
for Scott and I.
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I had been doing a lot of
adoption searches for people.
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I like research,
I'm kind of a history buff.
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In 2011, my kids grew up
and left home,
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and I think it was a little bit
of an empty nest moment
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where I just wanted to find
something to research
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that was a little bit different
than I'd been doing for years.
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And I came to this case,
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and there was four victims
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put in barrels out here in
the woods.
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I couldn't believe
that could be true.
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[Rebekah] It was
an extensive amount of work
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that Scott and Ronda put into
trying to identify
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who the perpetrator was
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and how he was connected
to the case.
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They had the same push and drive
that I did.
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My mission was to try and find
the identities of these victims.
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Ronda and Scott had been just
trying to go headfirst
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and find a suspect for
the murders.
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[Scott] Right in this area here
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is where the first barrel was
found in 1985.
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[Ronda] It was found by
a couple hunters,
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brothers who were out here.
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And at that time,
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you could look over into
the mobile home park,
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and you could see
the various mobile homes.
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You could see the path where
people walked their dogs.
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And we figured that the,
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everybody in the neighborhood
had been spoken to.
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You know, questions had been asked.
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[Ronda] Many, many,
many people told us
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they waited for the police
to come and ask questions,
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and nobody ever did.
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Very shortly after
they were found,
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the investigation was taken out
of the hands of the local police
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and turned over to New Hampshire
State Police.
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And in a lot of people's minds,
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that's where the investigation
fell apart.
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[Ronda] So, finally,
we just said,
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"Alright, we're just a brother
and sister,
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we grew up in New Hampshire.
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And, you know, we believe
this case can be solved.
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We know it can,
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and we just need to ask the
right questions to find out."
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Two things became very apparent.
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Nobody knew
the little girls were found,
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almost nobody in
the mobile home park.
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And you could just throw,
you know,
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a rock over there, practically.
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And the second thing was
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that we needed to focus on
this property
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and the men who lived here.
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Because why would you risk
coming down here?
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Down a private driveway,
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in sight of a mobile home park,
dumping bodies?
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Likely, who placed them here
was familiar with the property.
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[Ronda] We heard
all kinds of stories.
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Like, there was a family with
kids, they moved away.
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We'd be like, "Who were they?"
And they didn't even know.
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So then we began thinking,
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"Well, maybe they could've
lived here."
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One theory being that
whoever did this
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was what they call
a family annihilator.
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You know, an individual who just
exploded one day,
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killed his family,
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took off for parts unknown.
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Maybe a family in
the mobile home park
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befriended the girls,
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if they had stayed on
the property.
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[music]
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[Scott] One of
the biggest things we did
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was to recreate
the trailer park.
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Try to identify all
the residents that lived there
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and contact them.
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[Ronda] Out of the ten families
that lived there in 1985
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that also were there in 2000,
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only one family knew that
the little girls had been found.
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And clearly, they didn't talk to
their neighbors about it.
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None of the other families.
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I mean, we felt like we're
having to prove,
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you know, pull out
the composites and show them.
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I know at some point,
people began wondering if
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there was a serial killer
that was loose.
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[Scott] To go after the suspect
every weekend, every evening,
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we're traveling all over
New England talking to people.
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It was all-consuming.
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Like, I always kept coming back
to one thing.
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They're somebody.
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They belonged to somebody,
and somebody is missing them.
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They had families,
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and I'd like to see justice
served for them.
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[Ronda] I mean, took quite
a while just going door to door.
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You know, we'd come back
over and over again sometimes.
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Or people just refused to speak
to us.
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So, we just said, you know,
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"We realize us showing up at
your door
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on a Saturday morning is awkward,
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but so are dead little girls."
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And we just wouldn't take no
for an answer.
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[music]
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[music]
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[GPS] Use the right two lanes
to keep right to Elm Street.
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Downtown[indistinct]
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[Rebekah] Ronda and Scott
had a blog going
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a couple of years before
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I started proactively searching
for answers.
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But in the beginning,
I, I mean, I was alone.
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I had nobody at all.
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My research process,
it's just kind of, like,
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scattered all over the place.
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I'm dyslexic, and for
the longest time,
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I couldn't do normal things
that everyone else could
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the same way that
everyone else could.
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And I couldn't learn
the same way,
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and it used to frustrate me
so much.
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But it really, truly taught me
to think outside the box.
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There was one specific post
that was posted on Ancestry,
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and it was from 1999.
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It was family members looking
for Sarah McWaters,
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a child born in 1977,
in California.
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She was missing with her mother, Marlyse.
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Sarah had a half-sister,
Marie Vaughn,
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who was also missing.
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So, as I'm looking into it,
the dates are all lining up.
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The equation already
is lining up,
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of the victims found
in the barrels.
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There's two girls,
and there's an adult female.
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But the more I looked into
that case,
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I really couldn't find
enough information
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to confirm or to rule it out.
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All I can think of is, like,
"How can I find who you are?
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Where else can I look?
What angle am I not looking at?"
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There's gotta be someone
out there that's looking.
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There just absolutely has to be.
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We wanted to find out who lived
in the mobile home park.
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We got aerial photos from
the late '70s.
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And we just started piecing
together who lived where.
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Then I made a Facebook page
and a blog.
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I had come across the blog before.
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'Cause I know it referenced
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the list of names of people that
lived there.
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[Scott] And during this time,
we were having
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some conversations with
the property owner.
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And I think Ronda asked him,
you know,
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"Well, do you have any idea
who could've done this?"
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And he says, "Well,
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I have somebody that
I wondered about,
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but I don't wanna say anything
bad about him."
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That sends us down...
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Three years after having
many conversations with him,
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where he said he didn't know anything.
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He's the guy that would know everything.
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[Ronda] Yeah, yeah.
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[Scott] Ronda was on the phone
with him,
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and she was asking about
a particular group of people.
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And he got frustrated and said,
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"No, you're barking up
the wrong tree.
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The person you wanna look at
is Bobby.
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Bobby Evans."
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And we said, "Why?"
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And he said, "Well,
he was a strange guy,
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and he dumped trash on
my property."
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And that's when you pretty much
moved into
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the Manchester Library.
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[Scott] So, we'd look up
everything we could find
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you know, about a Bob Evans.
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[Ronda] We heard he was
an electrician,
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so, then we began to ask people,
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"Do you recall an electrician
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being in the area named
Bob Evans?
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What was your interest,
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you know, what was your
interaction with him?"
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And we did find people who
knew him.
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This clearing area over here is
where the Bear Brook Store was.
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Bob Evans was an electrician,
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so he helped work on the store,
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in the cooling and refrigeration
part of it.
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One family's recollection is
that he was living with a family
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here on the property
in a pop-up camper.
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And it was around Christmastime,
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and the family felt bad that
there were kids here,
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and they sent over some of
their adult children
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with food for the family.
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What we don't know is whether
these little girls
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were the victims.
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They're sure it was Evans,
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00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:26,190
because they knew him,
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they worked with him
at the Waumbec Mill.
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So, we know that he was on
this property
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for some time, anyway.
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We just try to collect stories
in case there was any clue,
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but we could never find him.
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You know, so after six months of
looking into it ourselves,
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you know, we turned it over to
the New Hampshire State Police.
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[Scott] They probably
just thought,
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"Oh, it's another name that
Ronda and Scott are giving us."
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That name didn't mean anything
to anyone.
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It kinda went cold for us.
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But it, it was always,
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it, that name was always in
the back of our head.
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[music]
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[Jeff] My name is Jeff Strelzin,
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I'm a senior assistant
attorney general
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with the New Hampshire
Attorney General's Office.
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[Rebekah] There was gonna be
a press release,
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'cause, you know, there was
a big break in the case.
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At my desk at work, I'm like,
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00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,209
"Okay, I'm gonna need to see
this press release."
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So I get, like, my phone and
my headphones, I'm listening in.
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I'm like, "Okay,
what's the break?
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00:21:26,146 --> 00:21:27,458
What's the break,
what's the break?"
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[Jeff] We believe we have
our killer
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of the Allenstown victims.
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We're confident that Bob Evans
is the person
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who killed the four victims
in Allenstown.
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[Ronda] New Hampshire
State Police said that
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the name Bob Evans first came up
in 2014, in our research.
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It was pretty exciting.
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[Rebekah] At that time,
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00:21:48,755 --> 00:21:52,863
I didn't know Ronda and Scott
had researched Bob Evans.
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He had a beard and, like,
a plaid shirt,
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and these piercing blue eyes.
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It really kinda came as a shock.
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He had many other victims
besides just the victims
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that were in the barrels.
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When New Hampshire State Police
had confirmed Bob Evans
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as the Bear Brook Killer,
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he had already been incarcerated
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00:22:16,852 --> 00:22:19,821
for an unrelated murder
in California.
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They uncovered that he had also
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kidnapped a baby girl
from New Hampshire in 1981,
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and he had abandoned her
in California.
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Even though this baby girl was
not one of the victims
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in the Bear Brook barrels,
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she had disappeared not too far
from Allenstown,
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where Bear Brook State Park
is located.
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Once they had the connection of
this perpetrator, Bob Evans,
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in the area of
the Bear Brook murders,
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police tried testing the DNA
of this perpetrator, Bob Evans,
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00:23:00,689 --> 00:23:04,486
against the DNA of the victims
found in the barrels.
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00:23:04,866 --> 00:23:09,457
The DNA test showed Bob Evans as
the biological father
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of the middle child.
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We believe that Bob Evans'
killing finally
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came to an end in California
in 2002,
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with his last victim,
Eusoon Jun.
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He certainly fits the profile
of a serial killer.
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[Man] Miss Jun had been
murdered, dismembered,
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and was buried in the basement
of her residence.
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Which I find so shocking.
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Bob Evans was caught and
put in prison in California
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for his last murder
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17 years after the first
Bear Brook victims were found.
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[Jeff] Evans was eventually
charged with murder.
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He plead guilty in 2003.
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And in 2010,
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he died in prison
of natural causes.
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[Rebekah] By the time
New Hampshire State Police
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determined that Evans was
the Bear Brook killer,
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he had been deceased for
six years.
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DNA saved from his autopsy confirmed
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he was father
of one of the victims.
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00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:13,659
What stuck with me the most
from the press release
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was that the victim,
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the little girl that no one
seemed to be related to,
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00:24:19,665 --> 00:24:21,805
was Bob Evans' daughter.
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00:24:25,084 --> 00:24:28,432
For some reason, I envisioned
her with, like, little pigtails,
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00:24:28,812 --> 00:24:31,918
holding her dad's hand and
walking through the woods.
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She was, like, three years old.
491
00:24:34,196 --> 00:24:36,716
Just like such a tiny little
innocent baby.
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00:24:36,820 --> 00:24:38,753
Like, what the hell?
493
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She had no idea that when...
494
00:24:41,894 --> 00:24:44,931
she was in a car ride with him,
drivin' up here,
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00:24:45,035 --> 00:24:46,968
that that was gonna be
the last location
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she ever visited.
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00:24:48,590 --> 00:24:55,390
[music]
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[Rebekah] Now we have a suspect named,
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and the victims are still unidentified.
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When, in general,
you have the victims identified,
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00:25:04,468 --> 00:25:06,505
and then that's how you find
the suspect.
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00:25:06,608 --> 00:25:08,645
It was the opposite
in this case.
503
00:25:11,302 --> 00:25:13,304
This just opened
a whole plethora
504
00:25:13,408 --> 00:25:14,892
of opportunities.
505
00:25:17,308 --> 00:25:18,689
And with this information,
506
00:25:18,793 --> 00:25:20,726
I can start tracking
his locations,
507
00:25:21,071 --> 00:25:24,315
searching for the identities
of the victims.
508
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,249
And at that point,
509
00:25:27,353 --> 00:25:30,252
I assumed that the adult female
with her two children
510
00:25:30,356 --> 00:25:32,082
could've been living in
the same property
511
00:25:32,185 --> 00:25:36,086
with Bob Evans
and Evans' daughter.
512
00:25:39,123 --> 00:25:42,506
So, they don't really know a lot
about Bob Evans' locations.
513
00:25:43,058 --> 00:25:46,061
Knew he had one specific address
that links to him.
514
00:25:48,201 --> 00:25:49,789
It's the known address.
515
00:25:49,893 --> 00:25:51,550
No one else is listed with him.
516
00:25:51,653 --> 00:25:53,862
Although he claimed to have
a wife
517
00:25:53,966 --> 00:25:56,175
that resided at that residence,
as well.
518
00:25:56,278 --> 00:26:05,494
[music]
519
00:26:05,598 --> 00:26:07,704
925, right in the back.
520
00:26:08,946 --> 00:26:10,845
The girls would've lived there, too.
521
00:26:11,155 --> 00:26:13,813
The neighbors that used to live
there within those years
522
00:26:13,917 --> 00:26:17,368
did not recognize
his photo at all.
523
00:26:17,472 --> 00:26:20,924
I would imagine someone would
remember three little girls.
524
00:26:21,027 --> 00:26:32,936
[music]
525
00:26:37,975 --> 00:26:41,116
[Rebekah] Ronda, Scott,
and I came here
526
00:26:41,358 --> 00:26:43,912
to visit Bob Evans' office.
527
00:26:44,395 --> 00:26:47,778
He was hired to work here to...
528
00:26:48,365 --> 00:26:52,749
manage the team that essentially
broke the factory down.
529
00:26:53,508 --> 00:26:59,479
They would fill oil drums
or barrels and dump 'em.
530
00:26:59,928 --> 00:27:01,585
And one of the places
that they would dump them
531
00:27:01,689 --> 00:27:04,623
was at Bear Brook State Park,
532
00:27:04,726 --> 00:27:06,314
where the barrels were found.
533
00:27:09,213 --> 00:27:14,149
Logically, they were here
at some point in this town.
534
00:27:14,563 --> 00:27:16,082
So, when I come here,
535
00:27:16,186 --> 00:27:20,328
it's hard not to feel like
you're reliving the moment
536
00:27:20,431 --> 00:27:22,019
when the girls were here.
537
00:27:26,023 --> 00:27:28,819
Unfortunately, even contacting
538
00:27:28,923 --> 00:27:31,408
neighbors in
the surrounding areas,
539
00:27:31,926 --> 00:27:34,722
employees that worked at
Waumbec when he worked there,
540
00:27:34,825 --> 00:27:37,138
nobody seems to know anything
about his life.
541
00:27:38,484 --> 00:27:41,004
When working at Waumbec Mills,
542
00:27:41,107 --> 00:27:44,697
there was one room that
he left locked all the time,
543
00:27:44,801 --> 00:27:46,975
that wouldn't allow anyone
to go into.
544
00:27:47,286 --> 00:27:49,115
What was in that room?
545
00:27:49,219 --> 00:27:52,809
Could he have been holding
the barrels there?
546
00:27:53,706 --> 00:27:55,294
I found myself questioning,
547
00:27:55,397 --> 00:27:59,091
"What, what other angle can
you possibly look at?"
548
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,785
Disappointment once again.
549
00:28:04,337 --> 00:28:07,686
These little girls and
their mother
550
00:28:07,996 --> 00:28:10,102
were just nameless.
551
00:28:12,691 --> 00:28:16,453
I don't know, at this point
it just seems like I was...
552
00:28:17,937 --> 00:28:20,699
just hittin' dead end after
dead end after dead end.
553
00:28:21,147 --> 00:28:27,498
[music]
554
00:28:31,054 --> 00:28:36,715
[music]
555
00:28:36,818 --> 00:28:42,410
I have not seen my family in
a number of years.
556
00:28:43,135 --> 00:28:47,035
Once you leave one of these
religious communities
557
00:28:47,139 --> 00:28:48,830
like I was raised in,
558
00:28:49,072 --> 00:28:51,522
you're just ostracized.
559
00:28:52,316 --> 00:28:54,767
Each person told me,
if I leave, "You're gonna die.
560
00:28:54,871 --> 00:28:57,080
You're goin' to Hell.
You're never gonna make it."
561
00:28:57,183 --> 00:29:04,466
[music]
562
00:29:04,570 --> 00:29:07,538
[Rebekah] I guess, if anything,
it made me...
563
00:29:07,642 --> 00:29:11,301
push and dig even further.
564
00:29:13,544 --> 00:29:16,893
I have been looking for
the victims about seven months.
565
00:29:16,996 --> 00:29:19,619
Then, there's an update
in the case.
566
00:29:19,827 --> 00:29:24,210
[music]
567
00:29:24,314 --> 00:29:26,661
The man known in New Hampshire
as Bob Evans,
568
00:29:26,765 --> 00:29:29,940
that man's real name was
Terry Rasmussen.
569
00:29:30,838 --> 00:29:35,359
[Rebekah] Now the suspect who
they believed to be Bob Evans
570
00:29:35,463 --> 00:29:38,052
is actually just an alias.
571
00:29:38,155 --> 00:29:42,470
His true name is
Terry Peter Rasmussen.
572
00:29:43,195 --> 00:29:45,887
[Ronda] Law enforcement used DNA
from his autopsy,
573
00:29:46,474 --> 00:29:47,993
and was able to build
a family tree
574
00:29:48,096 --> 00:29:49,339
and figure out who he was,
575
00:29:49,442 --> 00:29:51,651
and confirmed it with
DNA from his son.
576
00:29:51,893 --> 00:29:53,861
The identification of
Terry Rasmussen
577
00:29:53,964 --> 00:29:56,449
was the first time a killer had
been identified
578
00:29:56,553 --> 00:29:58,382
using genetic genealogy.
579
00:29:58,486 --> 00:30:01,800
[music]
580
00:30:01,903 --> 00:30:03,663
[Rebekah] So now,
with this information,
581
00:30:03,767 --> 00:30:06,045
I know his true identity.
582
00:30:06,494 --> 00:30:09,911
There's so many things attached
to your actual birth name
583
00:30:10,015 --> 00:30:12,051
within public records.
584
00:30:12,327 --> 00:30:15,744
Terry Rasmussen, that's not
a common name.
585
00:30:16,193 --> 00:30:18,955
So, you don't get as many hits
as you do
586
00:30:19,058 --> 00:30:20,957
when you're searching for
"Bob Evans,"
587
00:30:21,060 --> 00:30:22,924
because let me tell you,
that's...
588
00:30:23,166 --> 00:30:25,133
that's an endless search.
589
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,688
So, at least it was narrowed
down quite a bit more.
590
00:30:28,792 --> 00:30:32,313
[music]
591
00:30:32,416 --> 00:30:35,247
[Rebekah] Terry Rasmussen
actually was previously married,
592
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:37,732
and he had four living children.
593
00:30:37,939 --> 00:30:39,734
Which really poses the question,
594
00:30:39,838 --> 00:30:42,599
was he leading two lives?
595
00:30:42,979 --> 00:30:45,222
He's got this
biological daughter
596
00:30:45,326 --> 00:30:50,503
that we've assumed he killed
and placed in a barrel.
597
00:30:51,159 --> 00:30:54,059
I started searching anything
related to Rasmussen
598
00:30:54,162 --> 00:30:57,200
that might lead to the identity
of the victims.
599
00:30:57,303 --> 00:31:02,136
[music]
600
00:31:03,551 --> 00:31:07,348
[music]
601
00:31:07,451 --> 00:31:10,661
[Rebekah] It had been a year
since the press release.
602
00:31:10,938 --> 00:31:13,216
There was a podcast coming out
603
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:16,667
that was going to focus on
the Bear Brook murders.
604
00:31:17,703 --> 00:31:19,636
[Jason] This is Bear Brook.
605
00:31:20,602 --> 00:31:22,363
I'm Jason Moon.
606
00:31:22,466 --> 00:31:26,746
I immediately started listening
to it, trying to just...
607
00:31:27,126 --> 00:31:29,094
grasp at any more
additional information
608
00:31:29,197 --> 00:31:32,614
that perhaps I didn't know
about the case at this point.
609
00:31:33,339 --> 00:31:35,652
This story grabbed the attention
of more people.
610
00:31:35,755 --> 00:31:41,244
It showed the magnitude
that this case really is.
611
00:31:41,623 --> 00:31:44,903
When I was listening to
the third or fourth episode,
612
00:31:45,006 --> 00:31:47,008
that's when everything clicked.
613
00:31:47,112 --> 00:31:49,459
[Jason] The release of
the isotope testing results
614
00:31:49,562 --> 00:31:50,667
was, in some ways,
615
00:31:50,770 --> 00:31:53,325
the final Hail Mary
in the Bear Brook case.
616
00:31:53,428 --> 00:31:55,568
[Rebekah] This specific episode
617
00:31:55,672 --> 00:31:57,916
focused on isotope testing
618
00:31:58,019 --> 00:31:59,952
that was conducted on
the victims.
619
00:32:00,401 --> 00:32:03,093
[Jason] Living things carry
an imprint of their environment,
620
00:32:03,197 --> 00:32:05,095
recorded in isotopes.
621
00:32:05,371 --> 00:32:06,821
It's like your body is coding
622
00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:11,032
everything that you've ingested
over time.
623
00:32:11,136 --> 00:32:13,103
[Jason] Radio isotope testing.
624
00:32:13,207 --> 00:32:15,519
The bones, teeth, and hair
of the victims
625
00:32:15,623 --> 00:32:18,281
can offer one of
the first real clues
626
00:32:18,384 --> 00:32:21,215
about where the Bear Brook
victims came from.
627
00:32:21,594 --> 00:32:23,838
[Rebekah] They did tell with
the adult female
628
00:32:23,942 --> 00:32:25,874
that she was possibly from California
629
00:32:25,978 --> 00:32:27,566
or surrounding states.
630
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:29,395
[Jason] The map for
the related victims
631
00:32:29,499 --> 00:32:31,708
includes parts of
the West Coast.
632
00:32:34,090 --> 00:32:35,815
[Rebekah] As soon as I heard that,
633
00:32:35,919 --> 00:32:38,818
I remembered that
one specific post
634
00:32:38,922 --> 00:32:41,028
on Ancestry message board.
635
00:32:41,994 --> 00:32:44,859
That Ancestry post from 1999
636
00:32:45,135 --> 00:32:48,380
was Sarah McWaters' family
looking for her.
637
00:32:50,037 --> 00:32:52,832
A child born in 1977,
638
00:32:53,178 --> 00:32:56,215
who disappeared in California.
639
00:32:56,491 --> 00:32:59,356
And I'm like,
"Pause the podcast.
640
00:32:59,460 --> 00:33:02,118
Rewind it back and listen to it
over again."
641
00:33:02,221 --> 00:33:04,120
[Jason] Parts of the West Coast.
642
00:33:04,223 --> 00:33:06,260
And as I'm listening, I'm like,
643
00:33:08,538 --> 00:33:10,678
"I don't know.
I really think..."
644
00:33:12,887 --> 00:33:15,441
"I really think that could
be them."
645
00:33:16,132 --> 00:33:19,273
Sarah McWaters could be
one of the victims.
646
00:33:20,377 --> 00:33:23,139
She could've been one of
the two daughters
647
00:33:23,380 --> 00:33:26,970
that were related to
the adult female.
648
00:33:27,522 --> 00:33:31,940
I'm gonna contact that woman
who posted in 1999.
649
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,736
I'm contacting her because
I know that this is them.
650
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,980
This is them.
There's no way it's not them.
651
00:33:37,291 --> 00:33:40,294
Everything matches.
There's, there's just no way.
652
00:33:41,433 --> 00:33:44,332
I'm like, "Alright, how am I
gonna contact her?"
653
00:33:44,574 --> 00:33:46,817
I'm like, "That's probably
a broken email address.
654
00:33:46,921 --> 00:33:48,302
It's from 1999."
655
00:33:49,268 --> 00:33:51,270
"I'm gonna find her on
Facebook."
656
00:33:52,892 --> 00:33:56,137
So, I'm like, lookin' through,
and I find the person's name.
657
00:33:56,379 --> 00:33:59,175
I'm like, "Alright...
Hey...
658
00:34:00,383 --> 00:34:04,766
just wondering, are you the
same person that posted
659
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:08,149
an Ancestry message board post
from 1999,
660
00:34:08,253 --> 00:34:10,496
looking for Sarah McWaters?"
661
00:34:10,876 --> 00:34:13,810
I'm like, "This woman is gonna
think I'm a complete loon."
662
00:34:15,156 --> 00:34:16,882
You know, what can I lose?
663
00:34:17,365 --> 00:34:21,473
And, say, within seven minutes,
she responds back.
664
00:34:23,233 --> 00:34:26,029
"Yeah, it is. It's me.
665
00:34:26,133 --> 00:34:28,307
You've got my heart pounding."
666
00:34:28,411 --> 00:34:31,862
"Oh, okay, I'm just wondering
if I could help you find her."
667
00:34:31,966 --> 00:34:37,178
And she starts just giving me,
like, little tidbits on Marlyse.
668
00:34:37,661 --> 00:34:42,839
Marlyse had two daughters:
Sarah McWaters and Marie Vaughn.
669
00:34:44,427 --> 00:34:47,982
She goes, "Oh, yeah,
and by the way...
670
00:34:48,603 --> 00:34:51,019
We believe that she ran off
with a guy,
671
00:34:51,123 --> 00:34:52,676
and his name was Rasmussen."
672
00:34:52,780 --> 00:34:54,230
And I'm like...
673
00:34:54,885 --> 00:34:56,301
"Oh my God, oh my God."
674
00:34:56,404 --> 00:34:58,579
I my hands started, like,
shaking uncontrollably,
675
00:34:58,682 --> 00:35:00,546
I'm like, "Oh my God,
oh my God, oh my God."
676
00:35:00,650 --> 00:35:01,823
I'm like, trying to type,
I'm like,
677
00:35:01,927 --> 00:35:04,378
"Oh my God, it's really them,
it's really them.
678
00:35:04,481 --> 00:35:05,482
It's them, it's them,
it's them."
679
00:35:08,623 --> 00:35:13,490
[music]
680
00:35:13,594 --> 00:35:16,286
[Rebekah] It was so shocking.
681
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:19,531
I could not believe that I had
found out
682
00:35:19,634 --> 00:35:22,258
the identification
of the victims.
683
00:35:22,534 --> 00:35:25,192
And now I'm trying to
process, like,
684
00:35:25,295 --> 00:35:27,608
"Oh my God, they, they're gonna
be identified.
685
00:35:27,711 --> 00:35:30,128
They're gonna be identified.
It's, it's them."
686
00:35:33,269 --> 00:35:34,718
So, the next day,
687
00:35:34,822 --> 00:35:37,583
I contacted Detective Headley
in California.
688
00:35:37,687 --> 00:35:42,209
I'm like, "I think I have
a credible tip.
689
00:35:42,726 --> 00:35:47,628
There's two girls:
Sarah McWaters and Marie Vaughn.
690
00:35:47,731 --> 00:35:50,734
They were half-sisters missing
with their mother,
691
00:35:50,838 --> 00:35:54,152
Marlyse Honeychurch,
in California."
692
00:35:54,704 --> 00:35:58,190
I'm like, "I'm sure you get this
all the time,
693
00:35:58,501 --> 00:36:00,917
but I really, really, really,
really, really, really believe
694
00:36:01,020 --> 00:36:04,886
that this is the victims of
Bear Brook murders.
695
00:36:05,404 --> 00:36:07,613
Marlyse Honeychurch had
disappeared with
696
00:36:07,717 --> 00:36:09,719
a guy with the last name
Rasmussen."
697
00:36:12,066 --> 00:36:15,587
And they're like, "So, what's
your relation to this case?"
698
00:36:16,622 --> 00:36:17,865
I'm like...
699
00:36:19,315 --> 00:36:23,457
"Just a hobby,
I look into these cases."
700
00:36:23,836 --> 00:36:25,769
And I think he was
a little skeptical at first,
701
00:36:25,873 --> 00:36:29,187
but then slowly warmed up to
the idea that
702
00:36:29,290 --> 00:36:32,949
a member of the public
could offer a tip.
703
00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:37,540
The next day,
704
00:36:37,643 --> 00:36:39,783
Sarah McWaters' family was up
in New Hampshire
705
00:36:39,887 --> 00:36:42,717
getting their DNA test
against the victims'.
706
00:36:44,754 --> 00:36:47,929
After the family members had
their DNA tested,
707
00:36:48,033 --> 00:36:50,069
we waited and waited and waited
708
00:36:50,173 --> 00:36:51,899
for what seemed like forever.
709
00:36:52,002 --> 00:36:54,246
[indistinct], come on. Come.
710
00:36:54,729 --> 00:36:57,594
Marlyse's family had
mixed feelings.
711
00:36:57,732 --> 00:37:01,426
They believed that it likely
was her,
712
00:37:01,736 --> 00:37:04,049
and that it was the children.
713
00:37:04,256 --> 00:37:05,533
But at the same time,
714
00:37:05,637 --> 00:37:08,847
they were still hoping
it wasn't her.
715
00:37:09,192 --> 00:37:11,505
They were hoping that, you know,
she had just moved on
716
00:37:11,608 --> 00:37:14,508
and was living a fulfilled life.
717
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:23,827
[music]
718
00:37:23,931 --> 00:37:25,933
[Ronda] When I heard that she
found the families,
719
00:37:26,036 --> 00:37:28,246
of course, Scott and I were
dying to know,
720
00:37:28,349 --> 00:37:29,661
you know, what she had learned.
721
00:37:29,764 --> 00:37:31,490
But I didn't wanna just be obnoxious.
722
00:37:31,594 --> 00:37:33,147
And, and I knew that maybe
723
00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:35,460
she wouldn't wanna say anything publicly
724
00:37:35,563 --> 00:37:37,013
until she found out more.
725
00:37:37,116 --> 00:37:39,809
So, it was just kind of
a waiting game on our end, too.
726
00:37:43,226 --> 00:37:44,434
[Rebekah] Seven months later,
727
00:37:44,538 --> 00:37:47,195
there was a press release identifying
728
00:37:47,437 --> 00:37:49,267
three of the victims.
729
00:37:49,784 --> 00:37:52,028
[Jeff] After long, hard work
by many people,
730
00:37:53,271 --> 00:37:56,860
we've identified three of
the Allenstown murder victims.
731
00:37:57,344 --> 00:37:58,793
The mother has been identified
732
00:37:58,897 --> 00:38:01,279
as Marlyse Elizabeth Honeychurch.
733
00:38:02,210 --> 00:38:04,247
This is Marlyse's
oldest daughter,
734
00:38:04,351 --> 00:38:06,525
Marie Elizabeth Vaughn.
735
00:38:07,768 --> 00:38:10,736
This is Sarah Lynn McWaters.
736
00:38:11,185 --> 00:38:13,118
The youngest murder victim.
737
00:38:13,221 --> 00:38:17,778
[music]
738
00:38:17,881 --> 00:38:19,642
[Scott] You know, you started
to learn a little bit about
739
00:38:19,745 --> 00:38:21,264
these people that you've been
tryin' to identify
740
00:38:21,368 --> 00:38:22,783
for all those years,
741
00:38:22,886 --> 00:38:24,957
and, and now they had faces,
they had names,
742
00:38:25,061 --> 00:38:26,269
they had families, and...
743
00:38:26,373 --> 00:38:27,995
and that's when it...
744
00:38:28,098 --> 00:38:29,790
I think there was a lot of...
745
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:34,312
sadness, at that point.
746
00:38:34,829 --> 00:38:37,004
They had kind of become
our family,
747
00:38:37,453 --> 00:38:39,834
because nobody else was
advocating for them.
748
00:38:39,938 --> 00:38:42,941
And, you know, I kinda took 'em
on as, I guess, as our family,
749
00:38:43,044 --> 00:38:44,977
and I didn't realize that until afterwards.
750
00:38:46,979 --> 00:38:49,430
Unfortunately, there's always
gonna be questions
751
00:38:49,741 --> 00:38:51,259
that we will never get
the answers to,
752
00:38:51,363 --> 00:38:52,847
and I think that's always gonna
haunt us.
753
00:38:52,951 --> 00:38:56,368
I know there was years that
nobody knows where he was,
754
00:38:56,472 --> 00:38:58,681
and most likely,
there are more victims.
755
00:39:01,649 --> 00:39:03,686
Yes, Ronda and I went to
the funeral,
756
00:39:03,789 --> 00:39:08,587
and we got a chance to meet
Marlyse's siblings.
757
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:14,386
[music]
758
00:39:14,490 --> 00:39:17,389
We, as a family, would like to
thank the community.
759
00:39:17,631 --> 00:39:19,667
Although this moment is bittersweet,
760
00:39:19,771 --> 00:39:22,049
they have their names back
on this day.
761
00:39:22,152 --> 00:39:23,361
They can rest in peace.
762
00:39:23,464 --> 00:39:30,816
[music]
763
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,508
[Scott] I believe it's
just a matter of time
764
00:39:32,611 --> 00:39:34,406
before Rasmussen's
biological daughter
765
00:39:34,510 --> 00:39:36,374
is fully identified.
766
00:39:37,098 --> 00:39:38,859
[Ronda] There is also
a picture of a birthday party
767
00:39:38,962 --> 00:39:42,449
that Rasmussen's daughter
may have attended.
768
00:39:42,794 --> 00:39:45,279
If the right person saw
the picture and came forward,
769
00:39:45,383 --> 00:39:48,075
then perhaps she could get identified.
770
00:39:49,939 --> 00:39:52,044
Really, it's an appeal
to the public.
771
00:39:53,218 --> 00:39:55,738
If her composite looks familiar,
772
00:39:55,841 --> 00:39:59,397
or if the circumstances of
her life seem familiar,
773
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,021
it would be really helpful
if the public could submit tips
774
00:40:03,435 --> 00:40:05,161
about who she might be.
775
00:40:05,368 --> 00:40:16,759
[music]
776
00:40:17,932 --> 00:40:29,841
[music]
777
00:40:34,121 --> 00:40:36,710
[Rebekah] The case kinda
solidifies for me
778
00:40:36,813 --> 00:40:39,471
that I truly made
right decisions
779
00:40:39,575 --> 00:40:42,370
when I left the community
I was raised in.
780
00:40:42,474 --> 00:40:47,134
Because I felt that there was,
I was meant to do more in life.
781
00:40:47,824 --> 00:40:53,243
And as I was trying to, to find
the identities of these victims
782
00:40:53,347 --> 00:40:54,935
and these girls,
783
00:40:55,211 --> 00:40:58,525
I truly found my own identity.
784
00:40:59,180 --> 00:41:03,806
And that was something that was
just so unexpected.
785
00:41:04,047 --> 00:41:12,642
[music]
786
00:41:12,746 --> 00:41:14,817
[Rebekah] I am still working
on this case.
787
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,717
The last middle child
is still unidentified,
788
00:41:18,890 --> 00:41:21,755
and I cannot let her go.
789
00:41:21,858 --> 00:41:31,696
[music]
790
00:41:52,648 --> 00:42:01,070
[music]
791
00:42:01,484 --> 00:42:03,831
[Rebekah] She deserves her
own name.
792
00:42:03,935 --> 00:42:06,454
She deserves to have
her own identity,
793
00:42:06,765 --> 00:42:10,458
rather than "the daughter
of a serial killer".
794
00:42:11,011 --> 00:42:15,774
And I will continue that search
until they find out who she is.
795
00:42:15,878 --> 00:42:21,055
[music]
796
00:42:25,197 --> 00:42:37,106
[music]
797
00:42:54,848 --> 00:42:59,093
The officers seen it only
as an accident, and that was it.
798
00:42:59,197 --> 00:43:00,854
On the next episode of
799
00:43:00,957 --> 00:43:03,408
"True Crime Story:
Citizen Detective"...
800
00:43:03,511 --> 00:43:05,479
Woman:
How did he hit his head twice,
801
00:43:05,583 --> 00:43:07,964
falling off the bicycle
one time?
802
00:43:08,068 --> 00:43:10,173
Woman #2:
We had to connect the dots.
803
00:43:10,277 --> 00:43:12,935
Did I do things that put my life
in danger?
804
00:43:13,038 --> 00:43:14,730
Yes.
805
00:43:14,833 --> 00:43:17,215
I needed to know what happened
to my son.
806
00:43:17,318 --> 00:43:21,081
"True Crime Story:
Citizen Detective."
807
00:43:21,184 --> 00:43:24,118
♪
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