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Mic check, one, two, three. 3 00:00:54,846 --> 00:00:58,725 Well, today, they, um, they're here doing a revival... 4 00:00:59,684 --> 00:01:01,478 and everybody's just joyful. 5 00:01:05,023 --> 00:01:08,443 We're gonna have fun and food and everything. 6 00:01:08,526 --> 00:01:12,864 Everything's gonna be a good day at Easterling Prison. 7 00:01:23,833 --> 00:01:26,544 It's a day that you really don't get in prison... 8 00:01:27,879 --> 00:01:32,550 because there's not a lot of hope inside an institution. 9 00:01:33,301 --> 00:01:34,469 And it has to be brought in. 10 00:01:37,722 --> 00:01:39,390 I want to pray for Alabama. 11 00:01:39,474 --> 00:01:41,559 - I want to pray for our system. - Yeah. 12 00:01:41,643 --> 00:01:43,186 Amen. 13 00:01:43,269 --> 00:01:44,979 - Yes, sir. - Amen. 14 00:01:45,063 --> 00:01:46,981 And we walked through them hoods, man. 15 00:01:47,065 --> 00:01:48,483 And we made a difference. 16 00:01:49,692 --> 00:01:52,153 - I am my brother's keeper. - I am my brother's keeper. 17 00:01:52,237 --> 00:01:55,573 - I am my brother's keeper. - I am my brother's keeper. 18 00:01:55,657 --> 00:01:58,076 It's not a coincidence that y'all came in here today. 19 00:01:59,285 --> 00:02:00,703 Why do you say that? 20 00:02:01,830 --> 00:02:04,415 Because they don't show you the meat that we get. 21 00:02:04,499 --> 00:02:05,834 It's not nothing like this. 22 00:02:07,710 --> 00:02:10,213 They should let y'all go inside the dorms. 23 00:02:10,296 --> 00:02:11,923 You think it's hot out here? 24 00:02:12,006 --> 00:02:14,926 Right now just imagine sleeping in a tin building 25 00:02:15,009 --> 00:02:17,262 with 120-some other people. 26 00:02:19,597 --> 00:02:21,724 This ain't fit for human society. 27 00:02:24,185 --> 00:02:26,271 Hey, what's going on with that camera? 28 00:02:26,354 --> 00:02:27,939 Y'all see him? 29 00:02:29,232 --> 00:02:30,859 Heat only bring animosity. 30 00:02:31,401 --> 00:02:33,611 So you just imagine what we go through in there. 31 00:02:35,488 --> 00:02:36,823 Come on inside the dorms, man. 32 00:02:36,906 --> 00:02:38,074 Show the dorms. 33 00:02:39,492 --> 00:02:41,452 We in lockdown 24/7, man. 34 00:02:41,744 --> 00:02:44,664 We locked down in the hot air. Let us go. 35 00:02:45,874 --> 00:02:48,501 Hot, hot, hot. We can't go outside, man. 36 00:02:56,676 --> 00:02:58,553 A lot of things that are going on in here 37 00:02:58,845 --> 00:03:01,181 people in society don't really know about. 38 00:03:02,557 --> 00:03:04,058 They beat me so bad 39 00:03:04,142 --> 00:03:05,143 I literally 40 00:03:05,768 --> 00:03:07,312 defecated on myself. 41 00:03:08,479 --> 00:03:10,773 Last Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and Monday, 42 00:03:10,857 --> 00:03:13,651 there was a stabbing every day that have not been reported. 43 00:03:14,694 --> 00:03:15,987 Swept under the rug. 44 00:03:17,488 --> 00:03:19,365 There's something being covered up. 45 00:03:19,449 --> 00:03:20,533 Who's covering it up? 46 00:03:20,617 --> 00:03:22,035 The Department of Corrections. 47 00:03:24,996 --> 00:03:26,539 I ain't scared to talk to nobody. 48 00:03:27,457 --> 00:03:28,791 But when you come in here with these cameras 49 00:03:28,875 --> 00:03:30,335 and put these folks up here, 50 00:03:30,418 --> 00:03:32,170 they want us to sound like 'good old boys.' 51 00:03:32,378 --> 00:03:34,130 But I ain't trying to hear that shit. 52 00:03:34,547 --> 00:03:35,673 That's why everybody's going up there, 53 00:03:35,757 --> 00:03:36,841 going to eat, and coming back in. 54 00:03:36,925 --> 00:03:38,801 Why they won't let us out? 55 00:03:41,679 --> 00:03:43,181 We're finished. We're finished. We're finished. 56 00:03:43,264 --> 00:03:44,307 What are we finished with? 57 00:03:44,390 --> 00:03:45,433 Filming. Filming. 58 00:03:45,808 --> 00:03:46,893 Why? 59 00:03:48,269 --> 00:03:50,855 We gonna lock it down. We gonna lock them out. 60 00:03:50,939 --> 00:03:52,357 There's no officer with you all. 61 00:03:52,857 --> 00:03:55,109 This is a prison. And you're walking up by yourself, 62 00:03:55,193 --> 00:03:57,153 talking to the inmates by yourself up there. 63 00:03:58,071 --> 00:03:59,822 We're finished, we're finished. I mean, 64 00:04:00,031 --> 00:04:01,324 our filming is over. 65 00:04:43,408 --> 00:04:44,492 Raoul? 66 00:04:46,786 --> 00:04:49,163 - Hey. - Hey, how are you? 67 00:04:49,247 --> 00:04:50,540 I'm good. How are you? 68 00:04:50,623 --> 00:04:52,166 I'm okay. 69 00:04:52,250 --> 00:04:54,877 Do you mind if I record our conversation? 70 00:04:54,961 --> 00:04:57,422 No, I don't mind you recording, I don't mind at all. 71 00:04:57,922 --> 00:05:01,092 They'll warn me before officers get close to me. 72 00:05:01,467 --> 00:05:03,094 I'll know they're on the floor. 73 00:05:03,886 --> 00:05:05,263 I'm gonna be careful. 74 00:05:08,391 --> 00:05:09,642 They tell us all the time, 75 00:05:09,726 --> 00:05:10,977 you know, I'm in prison 76 00:05:11,060 --> 00:05:13,104 and it's because I did something wrong. 77 00:05:13,771 --> 00:05:16,024 And I agree with that, you know. 78 00:05:16,941 --> 00:05:20,278 I shouldn't have did some of the things that I did. 79 00:05:20,361 --> 00:05:22,280 But the end result is that 80 00:05:22,613 --> 00:05:24,699 whatever going on is not working. 81 00:05:25,366 --> 00:05:26,367 It need to stop. 82 00:05:29,579 --> 00:05:31,205 This is where we live at. 83 00:05:31,622 --> 00:05:33,124 Showing y'all how it is. 84 00:05:34,292 --> 00:05:35,293 Water... 85 00:05:36,210 --> 00:05:37,211 flood... 86 00:05:39,339 --> 00:05:41,674 It's pitiful, how we live. 87 00:05:45,136 --> 00:05:49,891 It take about two football fields to get to Robert Earl. 88 00:05:51,184 --> 00:05:53,102 He's in solitary right now. 89 00:05:54,729 --> 00:05:57,690 They try and cut him from all communication with people. 90 00:05:58,483 --> 00:06:00,568 They move him from lockup to lockup. 91 00:06:02,153 --> 00:06:03,154 But guess what? 92 00:06:03,237 --> 00:06:05,907 That's probably the best reason to talk to him 93 00:06:06,449 --> 00:06:08,701 is because they don't want y'all to. 94 00:06:10,578 --> 00:06:11,579 Hey, Robert Earl. 95 00:06:13,581 --> 00:06:14,582 Hey. 96 00:06:14,791 --> 00:06:16,376 We need help down here. 97 00:06:17,001 --> 00:06:19,462 Everybody's life is in danger. 98 00:06:30,932 --> 00:06:32,141 How's it going? 99 00:06:32,809 --> 00:06:34,852 - Good. - Ah. 100 00:06:36,479 --> 00:06:38,272 Thanks for talking with us. 101 00:06:38,773 --> 00:06:40,858 Sure, sure. I'm glad to. 102 00:06:41,442 --> 00:06:44,654 You know, I made a vow to myself years ago, 103 00:06:44,737 --> 00:06:47,865 that I would never harm another brother 104 00:06:47,949 --> 00:06:50,535 and allow anyone to harm a brother around me. 105 00:06:50,910 --> 00:06:51,953 So, you know, 106 00:06:52,453 --> 00:06:55,331 it makes no sense to me to be quiet, to sit down, 107 00:06:55,581 --> 00:06:59,460 and just accept things as if they were okay 108 00:06:59,544 --> 00:07:01,045 because they're not okay. 109 00:07:05,049 --> 00:07:07,385 Bibb County Correctional Facility. 110 00:07:08,636 --> 00:07:10,638 Look at this guy living under a table. 111 00:07:13,558 --> 00:07:15,893 There go another guy on the floor, sleeping. 112 00:07:18,187 --> 00:07:20,189 The Alabama Department of Corrections -- 113 00:07:20,356 --> 00:07:21,649 - - the ADOC -- 114 00:07:22,483 --> 00:07:24,277 they don't want the public to see 115 00:07:26,237 --> 00:07:27,822 the conditions in here. 116 00:07:34,912 --> 00:07:36,247 They don't want you to see 117 00:07:36,456 --> 00:07:38,583 the slave labor that's going on inside. 118 00:07:39,667 --> 00:07:41,043 How long you been here? 119 00:07:41,127 --> 00:07:42,211 - How long you been here? - Thirty. 120 00:07:42,295 --> 00:07:43,546 30 years, man. 121 00:07:44,046 --> 00:07:45,715 I been working every day. 122 00:07:45,798 --> 00:07:46,924 How much they been paying you? 123 00:07:47,008 --> 00:07:48,092 - How much they been paying you? - Nothing. 124 00:07:49,051 --> 00:07:51,471 30 years, working every day for free. 125 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,307 They cover up all 126 00:07:54,765 --> 00:07:56,434 the drug addiction. 127 00:07:57,602 --> 00:07:59,812 Man needs help, for real for real. 128 00:08:00,354 --> 00:08:01,689 Addiction is real. 129 00:08:02,899 --> 00:08:06,277 And the atrocities and the corruption. 130 00:08:07,028 --> 00:08:08,029 Look at this. 131 00:08:09,071 --> 00:08:10,072 The riot team, 132 00:08:10,698 --> 00:08:11,824 they just beat some folks. 133 00:08:13,159 --> 00:08:14,160 See that? 134 00:08:14,994 --> 00:08:16,245 Man, that man bloody. 135 00:08:16,787 --> 00:08:17,955 Damn, man. 136 00:08:19,749 --> 00:08:22,126 When you hear "Department of Corrections," 137 00:08:22,210 --> 00:08:25,463 you think about an institution where people 138 00:08:25,546 --> 00:08:26,881 are going to classes, 139 00:08:26,964 --> 00:08:28,966 people are getting treatment, 140 00:08:29,050 --> 00:08:32,011 people are doing things towards correction. 141 00:08:32,094 --> 00:08:33,804 But that's nothing close 142 00:08:33,888 --> 00:08:38,017 to what's going on behind the walls of the ADOC. 143 00:08:39,227 --> 00:08:41,187 We don't know if he dead or not. 144 00:08:43,189 --> 00:08:45,066 We have record numbers of people 145 00:08:45,149 --> 00:08:46,692 leaving out of here in body bags. 146 00:08:48,361 --> 00:08:49,987 Coroner came and got him. 147 00:08:51,447 --> 00:08:53,783 We're at a humanitarian crisis level. 148 00:09:07,171 --> 00:09:09,715 There's a man dead on that bed. 149 00:09:09,924 --> 00:09:11,175 He is not alive. 150 00:09:12,677 --> 00:09:16,222 As long as the ADOC has control of the narrative 151 00:09:16,305 --> 00:09:18,891 then society will never understand or believe 152 00:09:18,975 --> 00:09:20,977 what's really going on on the inside. 153 00:09:25,356 --> 00:09:29,735 And me and Melvin, we've lived this for the last 20 years. 154 00:09:32,530 --> 00:09:33,948 Okay. 155 00:09:34,031 --> 00:09:36,659 - Melvin? - Can you hear me? 156 00:09:37,243 --> 00:09:38,244 Yeah. 157 00:09:45,585 --> 00:09:46,752 Hold on a minute. 158 00:09:46,836 --> 00:09:48,796 - Police in here. - Oh. Okay. 159 00:09:59,473 --> 00:10:01,100 It's okay, they're gone now. 160 00:10:01,601 --> 00:10:03,728 Would a regular phone call be better? 161 00:10:04,437 --> 00:10:08,691 No, because it does not allow us to just be ourselves. 162 00:10:08,774 --> 00:10:11,277 You know, when we present our stories, 163 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,864 we want to present our whole self, not just our voice. 164 00:10:19,994 --> 00:10:23,164 We're in these walled-off secret societies. 165 00:10:25,708 --> 00:10:28,085 These are state institutions. 166 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:34,050 But it's one of the only state institutions 167 00:10:34,133 --> 00:10:38,179 that the public or the media has no access to. 168 00:10:39,388 --> 00:10:42,600 How can a journalist go into a war zone, 169 00:10:42,683 --> 00:10:46,354 but can't go into a prison in the United States of America? 170 00:10:55,613 --> 00:10:57,281 Like, I can witness a murder-- 171 00:10:57,365 --> 00:10:59,533 we could be all sitting here and witness a murder-- 172 00:10:59,617 --> 00:11:02,578 and the media can't even come on the state property. 173 00:11:03,704 --> 00:11:06,165 Head warden leaving 174 00:11:06,707 --> 00:11:09,168 after this bad stabbing just occurred. 175 00:11:10,336 --> 00:11:11,504 Uh oh. 176 00:11:12,421 --> 00:11:14,256 There goes another code. 177 00:11:16,384 --> 00:11:18,928 Because the media can't come into the prisons, 178 00:11:19,136 --> 00:11:21,681 more and more people are taking videos... 179 00:11:21,889 --> 00:11:24,141 and if we don't have these cell phones, 180 00:11:24,225 --> 00:11:26,936 we don't have a way to capture these incidents. 181 00:11:33,025 --> 00:11:34,902 The public is already conditioned 182 00:11:34,985 --> 00:11:37,697 not to believe a person who is incarcerated. 183 00:11:37,780 --> 00:11:39,990 I'm in prison. I'm supposed to lie. 184 00:11:40,074 --> 00:11:43,160 I'm supposed to make up excuses. I'm supposed to exaggerate. 185 00:11:45,204 --> 00:11:48,708 That's why the administration hate the recording. 186 00:11:51,669 --> 00:11:53,212 They seen a dude with a phone 187 00:11:54,296 --> 00:11:57,258 and the lieutenant called a code. 188 00:11:58,426 --> 00:12:01,303 Even though these officers are bringing these phones in, 189 00:12:01,387 --> 00:12:04,223 selling them, you know, black market in prison... 190 00:12:04,598 --> 00:12:06,100 they are still illegal. 191 00:12:07,226 --> 00:12:10,271 Contraband continues to be a deadly problem 192 00:12:10,354 --> 00:12:12,606 that plagues Alabama's prisons. 193 00:12:12,690 --> 00:12:14,734 We're talking about cell phones. 194 00:12:15,693 --> 00:12:17,737 They focus more on the phones... 195 00:12:17,945 --> 00:12:21,407 instead of the incident that was recorded with the phone. 196 00:12:22,658 --> 00:12:24,869 It is a fight every day. 197 00:12:24,952 --> 00:12:27,538 And we continue to struggle with it. 198 00:12:27,621 --> 00:12:30,583 But there's a lot of work still to be done to defeat cell phones 199 00:12:30,666 --> 00:12:31,876 inside the prison system. 200 00:12:33,544 --> 00:12:35,546 They have been trying over the years 201 00:12:36,464 --> 00:12:38,466 to block the reception and signal. 202 00:12:39,675 --> 00:12:41,177 So we know that 203 00:12:41,594 --> 00:12:44,430 having access to phones can end any day. 204 00:12:45,681 --> 00:12:47,057 And we have been taking 205 00:12:47,141 --> 00:12:48,684 life-and-death risks 206 00:12:48,768 --> 00:12:50,394 to get this information out -- 207 00:12:51,812 --> 00:12:53,522 while we still can. 208 00:12:57,568 --> 00:12:58,569 In Alabama, 209 00:12:59,528 --> 00:13:00,863 they're denying reality. 210 00:13:01,989 --> 00:13:04,617 All these dead bodies, all these people that got killed. 211 00:13:05,242 --> 00:13:07,703 I mean, they're just denying reality. 212 00:13:08,621 --> 00:13:11,457 The reality is, Alabama doesn't have an incarceration problem. 213 00:13:11,540 --> 00:13:13,876 We have a criminal and a crime problem. 214 00:13:15,878 --> 00:13:18,714 It's a continuous cycle of violence, 215 00:13:18,798 --> 00:13:20,841 a lack of accountability. 216 00:13:20,925 --> 00:13:23,803 And without us being able to inform society 217 00:13:23,886 --> 00:13:25,554 about what's happening, 218 00:13:25,638 --> 00:13:27,932 these incidents are not even reported. 219 00:14:03,342 --> 00:14:05,344 We're looking for Steven Davis. 220 00:14:05,928 --> 00:14:07,680 We think he's in the ICU. 221 00:14:08,264 --> 00:14:09,890 Go up to the ninth floor. 222 00:14:30,119 --> 00:14:31,370 It's a body bag. 223 00:14:31,453 --> 00:14:33,122 - It's a what? - It's a body bag. 224 00:14:33,998 --> 00:14:35,207 That person is not... 225 00:14:35,749 --> 00:14:36,959 Not alive. 226 00:14:37,668 --> 00:14:39,003 If you could... 227 00:14:39,086 --> 00:14:40,880 If you could go out to the wait room, 228 00:14:40,963 --> 00:14:42,548 or I can help you by calling, 229 00:14:42,631 --> 00:14:45,342 but I'd prefer you not stand in front of the room. 230 00:14:45,426 --> 00:14:47,261 - Okay, sure. - Thanks. 231 00:14:48,345 --> 00:14:50,097 We should find his family. 232 00:15:11,827 --> 00:15:13,913 I sat and held his hand all night. 233 00:15:16,790 --> 00:15:18,667 Even though you couldn't tell it was him. 234 00:15:24,632 --> 00:15:26,842 I feel like I'm in a dream, you know? 235 00:15:27,176 --> 00:15:28,552 I know. 236 00:15:29,762 --> 00:15:30,846 We're here for you. 237 00:15:32,222 --> 00:15:33,223 Don't... 238 00:15:34,391 --> 00:15:36,852 He didn't deserve this. 239 00:15:40,981 --> 00:15:43,192 You've got to take care of yourself. 240 00:15:43,275 --> 00:15:45,110 You're gonna wind up in the hospital. 241 00:15:47,821 --> 00:15:50,366 He's telling me, "Mama, I'm gonna get out of here. 242 00:15:50,449 --> 00:15:52,451 I'm going to get out. I'm going to get out." 243 00:15:52,534 --> 00:15:54,328 Hey, Stevie. 244 00:15:57,998 --> 00:16:00,250 Who's gonna call me and bug me? 245 00:16:01,085 --> 00:16:03,337 I always said, he's in prison and he called more than 246 00:16:03,420 --> 00:16:04,630 the other kids. 247 00:16:12,846 --> 00:16:14,640 Well, when I got the phone call, 248 00:16:14,723 --> 00:16:18,102 I didn't know what really happened. 249 00:16:18,978 --> 00:16:21,230 And the first thing that went through my mind is, 250 00:16:21,313 --> 00:16:24,191 Steven done got stabbed, he done got beat up. 251 00:16:26,068 --> 00:16:27,653 That's the only two things it really can be. 252 00:16:27,736 --> 00:16:30,197 I mean, you're in jail. You're in prison. 253 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:31,615 You walk back in the ICU, 254 00:16:31,699 --> 00:16:34,660 and they had him in the very, very back of the ICU, 255 00:16:35,577 --> 00:16:39,832 in a different part that had a room 256 00:16:39,915 --> 00:16:41,917 so the security guards, you know, could monitor 257 00:16:42,001 --> 00:16:43,502 who come in, come out. 258 00:16:44,712 --> 00:16:48,549 That one guard asked me, "Do you know what happened?" 259 00:16:48,632 --> 00:16:51,343 I said no. I said, "Do you know anything?" 260 00:16:51,427 --> 00:16:54,138 "Nope." He knew something. 261 00:16:54,221 --> 00:16:56,765 I could tell, he was a liar. He knew something. 262 00:16:58,559 --> 00:17:00,060 People could come in, 263 00:17:00,144 --> 00:17:01,645 but only two at a time, and we were not 264 00:17:01,729 --> 00:17:03,939 to bring any phones or anything like that. 265 00:17:04,148 --> 00:17:06,567 That proves right there, they were hiding something. 266 00:17:06,650 --> 00:17:08,652 Oh yeah. When we seen him, 267 00:17:08,736 --> 00:17:10,404 we knew what they were hiding. 268 00:17:11,071 --> 00:17:12,114 Him. 269 00:17:13,032 --> 00:17:17,703 They didn't want a picture of him to be out there. 270 00:17:19,371 --> 00:17:21,165 Why did you take a photo? 271 00:17:22,624 --> 00:17:25,419 Because I didn't know if we'd get the body or not. 272 00:17:25,502 --> 00:17:27,588 You're talking about me taking a photo in ICU 273 00:17:27,671 --> 00:17:29,882 when you wasn't supposed to have your phones in there? 274 00:17:29,965 --> 00:17:32,718 But I took it in there when the cops were out back sleeping? 275 00:17:34,887 --> 00:17:36,847 Because I didn't know if we'd get the body back. 276 00:17:36,930 --> 00:17:40,559 I didn't know how the rules and stuff was, you know, with... 277 00:17:40,642 --> 00:17:43,520 'Cause Steven was the state's responsibility. He was incarcerated. 278 00:17:43,604 --> 00:17:46,648 I didn't know if we'd get the body and have a proper funeral. 279 00:17:46,732 --> 00:17:49,276 So I wanted to take a photo for evidence. 280 00:17:54,031 --> 00:17:56,200 Every last breath, I'll never get that picture 281 00:17:56,283 --> 00:17:58,243 out of my face of my son. 282 00:17:59,078 --> 00:18:01,205 As many pictures as I hang... 283 00:18:03,624 --> 00:18:05,167 of him being happy, 284 00:18:07,169 --> 00:18:08,879 laughing and stuff... 285 00:18:12,007 --> 00:18:18,263 that picture of what they done to him overrides all the good. 286 00:18:30,734 --> 00:18:33,403 I would just like to know, how. 287 00:18:34,738 --> 00:18:37,116 I would like to know, why. 288 00:18:46,667 --> 00:18:48,877 - Hello? - Hey. 289 00:18:48,961 --> 00:18:51,964 No, I ain't got Birmingham news. What? 290 00:18:52,047 --> 00:18:53,882 They said that Little Steven, 291 00:18:53,966 --> 00:18:56,093 they opened his cell and he rushed out, 292 00:18:56,176 --> 00:18:57,803 attacked the guards. 293 00:18:57,886 --> 00:19:00,180 Really? They had to subdue him 294 00:19:00,264 --> 00:19:01,807 and beat him to death? 295 00:19:01,890 --> 00:19:03,267 Somebody pull it up. 296 00:19:04,309 --> 00:19:06,228 Inmate dead after trying to attack 297 00:19:06,311 --> 00:19:08,605 a corrections officer with shivs. 298 00:19:08,689 --> 00:19:11,483 Steven Davis died after attacking corrections officers 299 00:19:11,567 --> 00:19:13,986 at the William Donaldson Correctional Facility. 300 00:19:14,069 --> 00:19:16,280 Investigators say they tried several times 301 00:19:16,363 --> 00:19:18,198 to get him to put his weapons down 302 00:19:18,282 --> 00:19:20,701 before resorting to deadly force. 303 00:19:25,038 --> 00:19:27,332 Why are you finding this out on the news 304 00:19:27,416 --> 00:19:28,750 after everyone else? 305 00:19:29,543 --> 00:19:31,044 Because I called the warden, 306 00:19:31,128 --> 00:19:33,172 and she has not called me back. 307 00:19:34,506 --> 00:19:37,467 They thought it was better for the news to know than you? 308 00:19:37,801 --> 00:19:41,180 They're disconnecting theirself, I guess, from it, by saying that-- 309 00:19:41,263 --> 00:19:42,973 They can't just do it that easy. 310 00:19:43,056 --> 00:19:45,142 They can do what they want. Y'all don't understand. 311 00:19:45,225 --> 00:19:47,477 They can actually do what they want. 312 00:19:48,979 --> 00:19:50,439 I'm so sorry. 313 00:20:02,326 --> 00:20:04,077 Hello? I'm sorry. 314 00:20:04,161 --> 00:20:07,289 I'm on oxygen, so I had to take a minute there. 315 00:20:07,372 --> 00:20:10,042 Okay. Well, I understand. 316 00:20:10,125 --> 00:20:11,835 Who's this? 317 00:20:11,919 --> 00:20:14,004 Don't, you know, I'm just... 318 00:20:14,087 --> 00:20:16,298 I know you're grieving and mourning, and I... 319 00:20:16,381 --> 00:20:17,716 but I just... 320 00:20:17,799 --> 00:20:19,509 I wanted to tell you that 321 00:20:19,593 --> 00:20:22,471 your son was beaten to death by an officer. 322 00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:24,973 That was a murder. 323 00:20:25,474 --> 00:20:27,392 You know, they sweep stuff underneath the rug 324 00:20:27,476 --> 00:20:29,228 all the time about this. 325 00:20:29,811 --> 00:20:32,439 I called the warden this afternoon. 326 00:20:32,522 --> 00:20:34,900 An hour later, there was a statement on the news 327 00:20:34,983 --> 00:20:36,401 that he rushed out of his cell 328 00:20:36,485 --> 00:20:38,862 with two homemade weapons and attacked them. 329 00:20:38,946 --> 00:20:40,322 A plastic knife. 330 00:20:41,114 --> 00:20:43,242 They always come up with something to justify 331 00:20:43,325 --> 00:20:46,245 the excess brutality and use of force. 332 00:20:46,328 --> 00:20:48,121 - Right. - You can't beat a man to death. 333 00:20:48,205 --> 00:20:50,082 Those guys have pepper spray. 334 00:20:50,165 --> 00:20:51,708 And if somebody rushed at you, 335 00:20:51,792 --> 00:20:53,377 then you could have sprayed that person. 336 00:20:54,127 --> 00:20:56,672 Yeah, they broke every bone in his face. 337 00:20:56,755 --> 00:20:58,715 I'm not going to say that everybody in there 338 00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:00,550 is a Sunday school choirboy, 339 00:21:00,634 --> 00:21:02,511 but the very fact in all of it is, 340 00:21:02,594 --> 00:21:05,931 is nobody deserves to be beaten to death. 341 00:21:07,057 --> 00:21:09,768 You got to get an attorney to look into this thing. 342 00:21:09,851 --> 00:21:12,437 I appreciate you so much. Thank you. 343 00:21:26,785 --> 00:21:27,786 Hello? 344 00:21:27,869 --> 00:21:28,954 Can you hear me now? 345 00:21:29,037 --> 00:21:30,163 Can you hear me? 346 00:21:30,247 --> 00:21:31,248 Hold on. 347 00:21:44,261 --> 00:21:47,848 If you hear me say, 'I hear some keys,' you gotta mute your phone. 348 00:21:48,515 --> 00:21:49,683 Okay. Alright. 349 00:21:49,766 --> 00:21:50,851 Okay. 350 00:21:50,934 --> 00:21:52,144 So um... 351 00:21:52,686 --> 00:21:56,565 the media is reporting what the prison system says. 352 00:21:57,441 --> 00:21:59,818 They're saying that he came out of the cell, 353 00:21:59,901 --> 00:22:01,403 he had two knives 354 00:22:01,862 --> 00:22:04,781 and the officers felt threatened so they used the 355 00:22:04,865 --> 00:22:07,659 force that they deemed necessary to disarm him. 356 00:22:09,161 --> 00:22:11,455 But are they even asking, 357 00:22:11,997 --> 00:22:15,167 'How many other people in the living area saw what happened?' 358 00:22:16,168 --> 00:22:18,670 I want to see what the inmates say. 359 00:22:21,340 --> 00:22:24,801 That day, I had went to a service out in the chapel. 360 00:22:26,053 --> 00:22:28,847 And the dudes were saying that the officers 361 00:22:28,930 --> 00:22:30,599 had whupped somebody. 362 00:22:30,682 --> 00:22:32,225 Later on, 363 00:22:32,309 --> 00:22:34,936 everybody go to hearing that this guy's dead. 364 00:22:35,645 --> 00:22:38,357 You know, but a lot of them are really scared 365 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:39,858 to really say something. 366 00:22:39,941 --> 00:22:41,234 I mean, you know... 367 00:22:42,361 --> 00:22:44,821 to watch them kill somebody? 368 00:22:54,373 --> 00:22:57,000 After the incident, about three hours later, 369 00:22:57,084 --> 00:22:58,835 I & I [Investigative Unit] came up there 370 00:22:58,919 --> 00:23:00,587 and started putting down 371 00:23:00,670 --> 00:23:02,714 numbers, yellow numbers, 372 00:23:02,798 --> 00:23:04,174 like a crime scene, 373 00:23:04,883 --> 00:23:07,552 next to some spots of blood on the floor 374 00:23:07,636 --> 00:23:09,554 and took pictures. 375 00:23:09,638 --> 00:23:12,808 By that time, the crime scene is already compromised. 376 00:23:13,183 --> 00:23:16,770 The officers had inmates come in and clean the floor up 377 00:23:16,853 --> 00:23:19,189 before I & I got there. 378 00:23:19,523 --> 00:23:21,733 Then they called the whole dorm out one at a time 379 00:23:21,817 --> 00:23:23,860 and asked us, 'Who all seen something?' 380 00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:29,032 They were really trying to offer us things like transfers 381 00:23:29,282 --> 00:23:31,701 if we didn't see anything. 382 00:23:32,285 --> 00:23:34,663 And they actually said those words? 383 00:23:34,746 --> 00:23:38,250 They said, 'Well, you know if you didn't see anything, 384 00:23:38,667 --> 00:23:40,752 transfer would be nice on your part...' 385 00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:42,671 Things like that. 386 00:23:43,004 --> 00:23:44,381 'If you do this, 387 00:23:44,464 --> 00:23:45,715 we can do this.' 388 00:23:47,634 --> 00:23:48,885 Hold on one minute. 389 00:23:50,178 --> 00:23:51,721 It's just crazy to me. 390 00:23:52,222 --> 00:23:54,057 How can we even trust them 391 00:23:54,474 --> 00:23:56,143 if we know you will kill one of us 392 00:23:56,226 --> 00:23:57,394 and then cover it up? 393 00:23:58,228 --> 00:24:00,147 It's still wrong for that man's mama 394 00:24:00,230 --> 00:24:02,274 not to know what happened to him. 395 00:24:02,858 --> 00:24:04,025 And they lying? 396 00:24:04,276 --> 00:24:05,527 That's just not right. 397 00:24:05,986 --> 00:24:07,112 It's not, you know, 398 00:24:07,195 --> 00:24:08,738 I'm sorry for being emotional. 399 00:24:09,156 --> 00:24:11,032 In here, we can't show this. 400 00:24:11,116 --> 00:24:12,367 I'm sorry. 401 00:24:12,451 --> 00:24:13,743 Amen. 402 00:24:32,220 --> 00:24:35,265 It's clear that a bunch of crimes 403 00:24:35,348 --> 00:24:37,851 are being committed and covered up 404 00:24:37,934 --> 00:24:40,604 by the Alabama Department of Corrections. 405 00:24:43,398 --> 00:24:46,860 When you're dealing with all these inequalities, 406 00:24:46,943 --> 00:24:50,071 it's easy to get caught up in the vindictiveness, 407 00:24:50,155 --> 00:24:51,406 the vengefulness, 408 00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:54,743 and lose sight of who you truly are. 409 00:24:56,453 --> 00:24:58,288 Hold on one second. 410 00:25:03,543 --> 00:25:05,086 Sometimes it be like this. 411 00:25:08,798 --> 00:25:11,843 In here, I strive to stay sane. 412 00:25:14,137 --> 00:25:17,766 Can you see them? My reading material. 413 00:25:18,517 --> 00:25:20,644 'The Critique of European Thought.' 414 00:25:21,186 --> 00:25:22,896 That's the one I'm reading now. 415 00:25:24,022 --> 00:25:26,525 'Metu Neter' -- that's my spirituality. 416 00:25:27,442 --> 00:25:29,861 'Mumia,' a jailhouse lawyer. 417 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,822 And my 'Investing 101.' 418 00:25:34,115 --> 00:25:36,952 Just something to keep my mind occupied. 419 00:25:39,621 --> 00:25:41,373 You know I've been in 30 years. 420 00:25:46,086 --> 00:25:48,296 I came to prison young. 421 00:25:50,507 --> 00:25:53,885 I was hustling in the streets being a crack dealer. 422 00:25:55,387 --> 00:25:57,806 And somebody who's high on crack cocaine 423 00:25:58,181 --> 00:25:59,558 was driving reckless. 424 00:26:01,685 --> 00:26:04,563 He had already almost ran over two people 425 00:26:05,647 --> 00:26:07,857 and I'm directly in the trajectory 426 00:26:08,858 --> 00:26:10,485 of his oncoming car. 427 00:26:12,445 --> 00:26:13,905 As a last resort 428 00:26:14,906 --> 00:26:16,616 I shot the gun I had. 429 00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:19,786 It was self-defense. 430 00:26:20,829 --> 00:26:24,082 But, tragically, he lost his life. 431 00:26:27,502 --> 00:26:29,671 I was sentenced to life without parole. 432 00:26:32,257 --> 00:26:35,176 I turned 21 in lockup. 433 00:26:36,595 --> 00:26:38,346 I was petrified. 434 00:26:40,140 --> 00:26:42,017 I was really just trying 435 00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:43,810 to fit in, 436 00:26:44,853 --> 00:26:46,479 trying not to get killed, 437 00:26:47,772 --> 00:26:50,317 trying to get money for my family. 438 00:26:52,402 --> 00:26:55,697 And other inmates realized that -- 'You can get some drugs?' 439 00:26:56,698 --> 00:26:58,742 So I was like, 'Yeah, I can get plenty of drugs, 440 00:26:58,825 --> 00:27:00,035 what you talkin' about?' 441 00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:04,247 So I participated in that in prison. 442 00:27:05,957 --> 00:27:07,334 You know, I was able to 443 00:27:07,417 --> 00:27:10,128 send my daughter's mother money to help her out. 444 00:27:12,047 --> 00:27:14,382 I was able to pay for my daughter's 445 00:27:14,466 --> 00:27:16,676 birthday party at Chuck E. Cheese... 446 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:19,721 But, 447 00:27:20,639 --> 00:27:21,640 I was lost. 448 00:27:23,558 --> 00:27:27,562 My fortune was that an organized, structured way 449 00:27:27,812 --> 00:27:29,981 to learn about life 450 00:27:30,065 --> 00:27:31,483 was presented to me. 451 00:27:32,317 --> 00:27:33,860 Halifax County. 452 00:27:38,073 --> 00:27:42,327 Halifax County was a self-help program 453 00:27:42,410 --> 00:27:45,705 that was created by inmates, for inmates. 454 00:27:46,623 --> 00:27:48,667 These were incarcerated men 455 00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:52,837 who were students of the law and teaching the law. 456 00:27:52,921 --> 00:27:56,508 They were part of a legacy of jailhouse lawyers. 457 00:27:56,591 --> 00:27:58,718 You know, there was a lot of brothers amongst us 458 00:27:58,802 --> 00:28:01,721 who had lived throughout the '60s and '70s 459 00:28:01,805 --> 00:28:05,850 and had been imprisoned for their activism in that era. 460 00:28:05,934 --> 00:28:07,435 And, you know, we didn't know 461 00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:11,022 that you were sleeping next to a guy who was at Selma 462 00:28:11,106 --> 00:28:12,315 on Bloody Sunday. 463 00:28:18,488 --> 00:28:20,115 Training up under those men, 464 00:28:20,907 --> 00:28:23,535 you know, people say it's a law class, 465 00:28:24,327 --> 00:28:26,913 it was so much more than a law class. 466 00:28:26,996 --> 00:28:30,959 It was like a rites of passage of coming into manhood. 467 00:28:31,042 --> 00:28:33,044 From boys to men. 468 00:28:33,128 --> 00:28:35,964 A lot of us didn't even know how to balance a checkbook. 469 00:28:36,047 --> 00:28:37,757 We didn't know how to buy groceries. 470 00:28:38,341 --> 00:28:41,553 Some of us didn't even have social skills, etiquette. 471 00:28:43,179 --> 00:28:44,514 We just was blessed 472 00:28:44,597 --> 00:28:46,975 to be surrounded by some older brothers 473 00:28:47,058 --> 00:28:49,728 who wanted to prepare us to be Black men 474 00:28:49,811 --> 00:28:52,021 who could defend themselves intellectually, 475 00:28:52,105 --> 00:28:53,565 and not just physically. 476 00:28:55,608 --> 00:28:57,318 You are given seven days 477 00:28:57,402 --> 00:28:59,946 to learn the Constitutional amendments, 478 00:29:00,029 --> 00:29:01,781 and recite them. 479 00:29:01,865 --> 00:29:06,327 That's your introduction to being a part of Halifax County. 480 00:29:06,411 --> 00:29:09,456 We had to learn the Alabama Rules of Criminal Procedure, 481 00:29:09,539 --> 00:29:11,458 the Alabama Rules of Appellate Procedure, 482 00:29:11,541 --> 00:29:13,334 the Alabama Rules of Evidence. 483 00:29:15,378 --> 00:29:17,338 This is how I met Robert Earl. 484 00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:21,342 This is how we became friends, 485 00:29:21,426 --> 00:29:23,178 this is how we became brothers. 486 00:29:25,221 --> 00:29:27,599 Halifax County brought a spark of hope, 487 00:29:27,682 --> 00:29:29,184 a spark of life. 488 00:29:29,267 --> 00:29:32,771 We all we got, but we all we need. 489 00:29:37,275 --> 00:29:39,235 I'm inside the law library. 490 00:29:43,156 --> 00:29:44,949 Through our knowledge of the law 491 00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:47,827 we were able to see more clearly 492 00:29:48,661 --> 00:29:51,247 things going on around us that were not right. 493 00:29:52,957 --> 00:29:55,126 You know, what happened with Steven's death? 494 00:29:55,210 --> 00:29:56,669 This ain't nothing new, 495 00:29:56,753 --> 00:29:59,339 that they're using excessive violence against us, 496 00:29:59,422 --> 00:30:01,508 you know, excessive force. 497 00:30:01,591 --> 00:30:05,845 As they saw us filing grievances and filing lawsuits 498 00:30:05,929 --> 00:30:07,639 when our rights were violated, 499 00:30:07,722 --> 00:30:10,058 then it became, "Oh, the library's closed today. 500 00:30:10,141 --> 00:30:12,101 Y'all can't go in there today." 501 00:30:12,185 --> 00:30:15,772 I mean, the Department of Corrections was opposed 502 00:30:15,855 --> 00:30:19,275 to Halifax County in every way possible. 503 00:30:20,860 --> 00:30:24,531 There came a point where we had enough and we had to do more. 504 00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:29,494 We had to take our cases to the court of public opinion. 505 00:30:35,458 --> 00:30:37,085 Free Alabama Movement, 506 00:30:37,168 --> 00:30:39,420 inside Alabama's Department of Corrections. 507 00:30:40,338 --> 00:30:42,131 This is the movement, y'all. 508 00:30:42,215 --> 00:30:44,008 The movement is official. 509 00:30:44,092 --> 00:30:47,679 We are addressing the issues of mass incarceration. 510 00:30:49,764 --> 00:30:51,474 I could never have created 511 00:30:51,558 --> 00:30:52,934 Free Alabama Movement 512 00:30:53,017 --> 00:30:54,602 without Kinetik. 513 00:30:54,686 --> 00:30:55,770 It took both of us. 514 00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:58,898 The combination of both of us 515 00:30:58,982 --> 00:31:01,901 is like a perfect algorithm. 516 00:31:01,985 --> 00:31:04,237 The same thing you can say in two sentences, 517 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,990 Melvin can turn into a five-page report. 518 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,786 Very thorough, very analytical. 519 00:31:12,912 --> 00:31:16,332 Kinetik, he's the guy that you need 520 00:31:16,416 --> 00:31:19,836 to deal with the prison environment. 521 00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:21,296 In a sense. 522 00:31:21,379 --> 00:31:24,173 My background is dealing with street dudes, 523 00:31:24,924 --> 00:31:26,843 so I began organizing. 524 00:31:27,886 --> 00:31:29,971 And I told the brothers, I said, 'Hey, 525 00:31:30,138 --> 00:31:33,057 they love to see us divided and fighting one another. 526 00:31:33,892 --> 00:31:37,353 And their biggest fear is to see us come together on one accord.' 527 00:31:38,771 --> 00:31:40,565 We have to come together and make a stand 528 00:31:40,648 --> 00:31:42,567 that our life is worth something. 529 00:31:43,776 --> 00:31:46,905 Our labor is what funds this system. 530 00:31:48,323 --> 00:31:50,283 We gotta take our power back. 531 00:31:53,828 --> 00:31:56,497 And it wasn't just me and Kinetik. 532 00:31:57,415 --> 00:31:59,542 Guys throughout the prison were posting... 533 00:32:01,461 --> 00:32:03,671 And we started organizing our family members. 534 00:32:05,048 --> 00:32:06,716 They were all at the state capitol 535 00:32:07,467 --> 00:32:08,885 or at the Governor's Mansion. 536 00:32:09,761 --> 00:32:11,846 They couldn't get us out of the news. 537 00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:13,348 A movement is growing 538 00:32:13,431 --> 00:32:15,975 from inside prison walls here in Alabama. 539 00:32:17,435 --> 00:32:18,645 We were working to 540 00:32:19,270 --> 00:32:21,189 make sure that the Department of Justice 541 00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:24,525 was aware of our ongoing situation. 542 00:32:25,818 --> 00:32:29,405 You know, we were a force against the administration. 543 00:32:31,282 --> 00:32:32,784 So what did they do? 544 00:32:33,952 --> 00:32:35,078 They attacked us for it. 545 00:32:35,912 --> 00:32:37,497 Cuff up. 546 00:32:37,580 --> 00:32:38,831 Cuff up! 547 00:32:44,295 --> 00:32:46,089 Y'all can see the 548 00:32:46,172 --> 00:32:49,175 damage to my head on both sides. 549 00:32:49,550 --> 00:32:52,178 That's where they were pounding on my head at. 550 00:32:53,221 --> 00:32:54,722 Because we were encouraging 551 00:32:54,806 --> 00:32:57,058 people to demand their human rights... 552 00:32:57,433 --> 00:33:00,019 they charged me and Melvin with 553 00:33:00,103 --> 00:33:01,813 the disruption of 554 00:33:01,896 --> 00:33:03,481 orderly operations, 555 00:33:03,815 --> 00:33:05,692 which is a security threat. 556 00:33:10,822 --> 00:33:14,784 And then they put Melvin in my file as my enemy. 557 00:33:16,619 --> 00:33:19,330 We can't be around each other in the same institution. 558 00:33:20,665 --> 00:33:22,792 One of us had to be transferred. 559 00:33:25,962 --> 00:33:29,924 We did about five years each in solitary confinement. 560 00:33:31,134 --> 00:33:34,470 Because we had the thought to be free, 561 00:33:34,554 --> 00:33:36,639 they punished us for it. 562 00:33:38,141 --> 00:33:41,561 ADOC tried to hold us incommunicado. 563 00:33:42,478 --> 00:33:44,105 But it was too late. 564 00:33:44,188 --> 00:33:46,315 We got through to the federal government. 565 00:33:49,569 --> 00:33:52,113 Right now, the U.S. Justice Department is launching 566 00:33:52,196 --> 00:33:55,616 an investigation into conditions within Alabama's prison system. 567 00:33:58,619 --> 00:34:02,582 In 2016, when the Department of Justice decided 568 00:34:03,082 --> 00:34:05,710 to actually conduct an official investigation, 569 00:34:06,878 --> 00:34:09,380 this was the breaking of the shell. 570 00:34:11,382 --> 00:34:13,468 When they showed up in the prison system, 571 00:34:13,551 --> 00:34:16,429 we didn't look at them like knights in shining armor. 572 00:34:16,512 --> 00:34:20,475 We was looking at them like, "Okay, what y'all gonna do?" 573 00:34:21,934 --> 00:34:23,186 At this point, 574 00:34:23,436 --> 00:34:25,772 everyone has a boatload of information 575 00:34:26,439 --> 00:34:28,524 because of what we've been able to put out there. 576 00:34:30,276 --> 00:34:32,987 We know that the DOJ has the power 577 00:34:33,237 --> 00:34:36,074 to step in and take control of the prisons. 578 00:34:36,866 --> 00:34:40,745 Our hope is that the government, the United States government 579 00:34:40,828 --> 00:34:43,539 will come down here and hold Alabama accountable. 580 00:35:06,104 --> 00:35:08,064 At the tone, please record your message. 581 00:35:08,147 --> 00:35:09,148 When you-- 582 00:35:11,192 --> 00:35:14,278 The frustration's just overwhelming. 583 00:35:15,154 --> 00:35:17,198 It's just been walls. 584 00:35:18,783 --> 00:35:21,661 I called the Department of Corrections. 585 00:35:21,744 --> 00:35:23,037 They don't answer. 586 00:35:23,121 --> 00:35:24,997 So I keep calling. 587 00:35:25,081 --> 00:35:27,667 I called I & I, got disconnected. 588 00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:29,252 Or hung up on, probably. 589 00:35:30,503 --> 00:35:32,922 They're the ones who are supposed to be investigating 590 00:35:33,005 --> 00:35:34,882 what happened with Stevie. 591 00:35:34,966 --> 00:35:38,219 But then I realized how it was all put together. 592 00:35:38,302 --> 00:35:41,597 I & I, Department of Corrections, 593 00:35:41,681 --> 00:35:42,765 they're all within... 594 00:35:42,849 --> 00:35:44,475 they're within the same building. 595 00:35:46,435 --> 00:35:48,187 I mean, they're all together. 596 00:35:49,272 --> 00:35:52,775 You've got to have someone totally independent investigating. 597 00:35:53,901 --> 00:35:57,947 I mean, it's corrupt. That's all you can say. 598 00:36:07,540 --> 00:36:11,002 Sandy came to me after her son Steven was killed. 599 00:36:11,919 --> 00:36:13,963 What she wanted most of all 600 00:36:14,046 --> 00:36:17,216 was for the folks that killed her son 601 00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:19,135 to be held criminally responsible, 602 00:36:19,218 --> 00:36:21,220 which is what happens when you murder people. 603 00:36:22,430 --> 00:36:25,641 The DOC hasn't shared the information with Sandy. 604 00:36:25,725 --> 00:36:27,310 It's a black box. 605 00:36:28,186 --> 00:36:31,105 So I've set up lawyer calls with inmates 606 00:36:31,189 --> 00:36:32,899 so they can speak freely 607 00:36:32,982 --> 00:36:34,692 about what happened. 608 00:36:38,070 --> 00:36:39,071 Hello? 609 00:36:39,155 --> 00:36:41,073 Hello. My name is Hank Sherrod. 610 00:36:41,157 --> 00:36:45,703 I represent the mother of Steven Davis. 611 00:36:46,162 --> 00:36:47,955 I'd rather not get into that, sir. 612 00:36:49,123 --> 00:36:51,334 I didn't see anything, because the cell I was in, 613 00:36:51,417 --> 00:36:52,793 I couldn't see that, sir. 614 00:36:52,877 --> 00:36:54,086 Right, but-- 615 00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:55,963 That's why I said I would rather not even... 616 00:36:58,007 --> 00:36:59,467 Is there-- Is a-- 617 00:37:00,551 --> 00:37:01,844 Are you by yourself? 618 00:37:03,304 --> 00:37:05,514 No sir, uh, uh, I got an officer standing right here. 619 00:37:05,598 --> 00:37:07,141 So this is supposed to be an attorney call-- 620 00:37:07,225 --> 00:37:09,518 I can end this call at anytime? 621 00:37:09,727 --> 00:37:11,687 There wasn't supposed to be an officer in there. 622 00:37:14,815 --> 00:37:16,776 Can I end this call at any time? 623 00:37:16,859 --> 00:37:19,028 Nobody can make you talk to me... 624 00:37:20,363 --> 00:37:21,530 Okay. 625 00:37:27,578 --> 00:37:29,205 Let me ask you this. 626 00:37:33,876 --> 00:37:35,670 I don't really want to speak on it. 627 00:37:36,212 --> 00:37:38,464 I really don't want to do no talking for real about 628 00:37:38,547 --> 00:37:40,383 nothing going on up here. 629 00:37:41,092 --> 00:37:43,052 If this motherfucker beat a motherfucker to death 630 00:37:43,135 --> 00:37:45,263 then how would you feel about testifying against him? 631 00:37:45,346 --> 00:37:47,640 You don't feel like your life would be in danger? 632 00:37:48,641 --> 00:37:50,893 Excuse me, there's an officer peeping in here. 633 00:37:51,477 --> 00:37:52,520 They cracking the door. 634 00:37:54,105 --> 00:37:56,941 Listen, I came to prison in 1985 635 00:37:57,650 --> 00:37:59,151 and I know what these folks will do. 636 00:38:01,195 --> 00:38:03,406 I can totally understand why somebody 637 00:38:03,489 --> 00:38:04,615 wouldn't want to get involved. 638 00:38:04,699 --> 00:38:08,619 I mean, there's no benefit to them. 639 00:38:09,620 --> 00:38:11,455 But hopefully somebody will speak. 640 00:38:13,749 --> 00:38:16,127 The only reason I'm coming forward with this is because 641 00:38:17,336 --> 00:38:19,130 I feel like it will happen to me. 642 00:38:20,548 --> 00:38:22,675 They didn't have to beat him. They didn't have to kill him. 643 00:38:25,094 --> 00:38:26,762 You know, what had happened, 644 00:38:27,388 --> 00:38:29,223 this inmate was telling people 645 00:38:29,307 --> 00:38:31,350 that Steven was, uh, gay, and... 646 00:38:32,435 --> 00:38:34,895 Steven had the right to protect himself, right? 647 00:38:36,022 --> 00:38:38,149 God dang every inmate here now 648 00:38:38,232 --> 00:38:39,692 got to have a weapon on him. 649 00:38:41,110 --> 00:38:43,279 When the officer told him to get down on the floor 650 00:38:43,362 --> 00:38:44,613 he got down on the floor. 651 00:38:46,115 --> 00:38:49,035 He laid his weapon about 15 feet away from him. 652 00:38:50,369 --> 00:38:52,913 He did the exact thing he's supposed to have did. 653 00:38:54,957 --> 00:38:57,752 Are you comfortable saying who killed him? 654 00:38:59,420 --> 00:39:02,089 Three officers was involved in the death, but 655 00:39:02,506 --> 00:39:04,800 Officer Gadson was the one that killed him. 656 00:39:06,010 --> 00:39:08,179 Hit him with his metal stick in the head, 657 00:39:09,555 --> 00:39:11,390 picked him up, throwed him down. 658 00:39:13,059 --> 00:39:15,895 He stomped the dude with his size 15 boot. 659 00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:19,774 Stomped the guy's head on the floor 660 00:39:19,857 --> 00:39:22,193 and the guy's head bounced like a basketball. 661 00:39:24,362 --> 00:39:26,197 Everybody was gathered around looking 662 00:39:26,572 --> 00:39:29,950 while the officers unmercifully beat that guy to death. 663 00:39:33,621 --> 00:39:34,872 That's crazy. 664 00:39:36,582 --> 00:39:38,751 I'm hoping his people get justice. 665 00:39:40,127 --> 00:39:41,545 Thank you so much. 666 00:39:42,046 --> 00:39:43,381 Okay, thanks a lot. 667 00:39:43,464 --> 00:39:44,465 Take care. 668 00:39:44,548 --> 00:39:45,549 Yes, sir. 669 00:39:45,633 --> 00:39:46,634 Bye-bye. 670 00:39:59,730 --> 00:40:01,357 He seems credible to me. 671 00:40:03,150 --> 00:40:05,194 Um... He seemed to really care. 672 00:40:05,277 --> 00:40:10,783 I mean, I didn't hear anything that set off any alarm bells, 673 00:40:10,866 --> 00:40:13,160 you know, regarding what happened. 674 00:40:14,203 --> 00:40:15,955 Now, if there are seven or eight people 675 00:40:16,038 --> 00:40:17,915 who pretty much say the same thing, 676 00:40:18,499 --> 00:40:19,875 I think it's the Department of Corrections 677 00:40:19,959 --> 00:40:21,502 that's going to have to answer some questions 678 00:40:21,585 --> 00:40:26,382 from Sandy Ray about what happened to Steven Davis. 679 00:40:27,925 --> 00:40:30,761 The officers tell the man to put the knife down. 680 00:40:31,220 --> 00:40:33,973 He throwed the knife on the floor and laid on the floor. 681 00:40:35,015 --> 00:40:37,393 Then you had inmates screaming, saying, 682 00:40:37,476 --> 00:40:39,562 'What y'all gonna do, y'all gonna kill him?' 683 00:40:40,396 --> 00:40:43,149 So Big G [Gadson] said, 'Fuck it, I'll kill him.' 684 00:40:44,233 --> 00:40:45,818 Big G [Gadson] came in and started 685 00:40:45,901 --> 00:40:47,403 picking him up and dropping him. 686 00:40:48,028 --> 00:40:50,114 Saying, 'Stay down, quit resisting.' 687 00:40:50,698 --> 00:40:52,575 There wasn't no resistance at all from him. 688 00:40:53,742 --> 00:40:56,829 It's messed with me real bad, you know, mentally. 689 00:40:57,496 --> 00:41:00,249 If it happened to him, it could have happened to any of us. 690 00:41:08,549 --> 00:41:11,677 In prison, shit rolls downhill. 691 00:41:12,678 --> 00:41:15,598 The officers oppress us, so we turn around 692 00:41:15,681 --> 00:41:20,102 and oppress someone who we feel like is weaker than us. 693 00:41:22,146 --> 00:41:24,607 So in regards to Steven, you know, 694 00:41:25,691 --> 00:41:27,109 if someone calls you gay, 695 00:41:27,401 --> 00:41:28,569 and you're not gay, 696 00:41:29,612 --> 00:41:31,405 if you don't straighten that up 697 00:41:31,822 --> 00:41:34,742 he may be beat, may be raped, may be tied up. 698 00:41:36,076 --> 00:41:37,453 He probably decided 699 00:41:37,536 --> 00:41:39,413 to try to defend himself and... 700 00:41:39,497 --> 00:41:42,082 officers took this as a license 701 00:41:42,166 --> 00:41:43,584 to beat and kill him. 702 00:41:47,796 --> 00:41:49,381 I spoke to many witnesses. 703 00:41:50,508 --> 00:41:52,134 The gist of what everybody said 704 00:41:52,218 --> 00:41:57,765 is that Steven was wanting to put on a show of aggression. 705 00:41:57,848 --> 00:42:00,893 But when corrections officers told him to stop, 706 00:42:00,976 --> 00:42:04,980 he got on the ground, and then the beating commenced. 707 00:42:05,064 --> 00:42:07,733 That's the gist of what everybody said, 708 00:42:07,816 --> 00:42:10,653 except for Mr. Sales. 709 00:42:14,281 --> 00:42:17,660 Officers told Steven Davis to let go of the weapons, 710 00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:21,622 but the demeanor towards the officers was threatening. 711 00:42:22,373 --> 00:42:23,874 His demeanor? 712 00:42:24,250 --> 00:42:25,251 Yeah. 713 00:42:26,043 --> 00:42:29,213 'Cause the weapons as they were, were tied to his hands. 714 00:42:30,005 --> 00:42:32,758 He couldn't let them go anyway if he wanted to. 715 00:42:32,841 --> 00:42:35,094 They were tied to his hands? 716 00:42:35,886 --> 00:42:36,887 Yes, sir. 717 00:42:36,971 --> 00:42:38,180 With what? 718 00:42:39,139 --> 00:42:40,140 Uh... 719 00:42:42,935 --> 00:42:45,980 like a sheet... like sheet string. 720 00:42:48,941 --> 00:42:51,819 What was Gadson doing during the incident? 721 00:42:52,861 --> 00:42:58,993 He tried to render aid and assistance to his, um, co-worker. 722 00:43:00,035 --> 00:43:01,787 To subdue Steven Davis. 723 00:43:01,870 --> 00:43:04,123 He provided aid and assistance. 724 00:43:04,748 --> 00:43:05,749 Yeah. 725 00:43:05,833 --> 00:43:07,376 What do you mean by that? 726 00:43:08,586 --> 00:43:09,587 Um, 727 00:43:10,170 --> 00:43:12,631 I guess whatever it means, man. 728 00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:15,634 According to their procedures 729 00:43:15,718 --> 00:43:18,304 they dealt with it the way they were supposed to. 730 00:43:20,055 --> 00:43:23,642 Do you know the procedure of when an inmate has a knife? 731 00:43:23,726 --> 00:43:24,727 I don't. 732 00:43:25,269 --> 00:43:28,105 When an inmate has a knife and an officer is involved 733 00:43:28,188 --> 00:43:31,525 the officer is, right then, at that moment, 734 00:43:31,817 --> 00:43:34,695 able to use lethal force with a baton. 735 00:43:34,778 --> 00:43:38,240 And what lethal force is, is strikes to the head. 736 00:43:38,324 --> 00:43:40,409 Where'd you learn about that? 737 00:43:45,873 --> 00:43:46,915 208. 738 00:43:47,958 --> 00:43:52,129 208 is -- administrative regulation number 208 -- 739 00:43:52,212 --> 00:43:55,132 Employee Standard of Conduct and Discipline. 740 00:43:56,675 --> 00:43:57,926 Well, let me ask you this. 741 00:43:58,010 --> 00:44:00,638 Look, we can go around and around about this 742 00:44:00,929 --> 00:44:02,097 in a circle. 743 00:44:03,098 --> 00:44:05,851 I go home in February. 744 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:07,853 Yeah, that's not too far away-- 745 00:44:07,936 --> 00:44:10,814 I don't need the problems that this is bringing. 746 00:44:10,898 --> 00:44:11,982 You understand? 747 00:44:12,066 --> 00:44:14,193 You've got a lot at stake, don't you? 748 00:44:15,194 --> 00:44:18,405 Me speaking with you today can cause me to get harmed. 749 00:44:19,782 --> 00:44:21,659 I & I pulled me out a total of 750 00:44:21,742 --> 00:44:24,078 six times about this situation. 751 00:44:24,578 --> 00:44:27,998 Every time, I put myself on the line. 752 00:44:28,290 --> 00:44:31,752 So you've been pulled out by I & I six times? 753 00:44:32,503 --> 00:44:33,504 Yes. 754 00:44:35,172 --> 00:44:40,135 I told the I & I woman that I was told by Captain [redacted], 755 00:44:40,219 --> 00:44:43,347 whatever I do for his officers, he's gonna do for me. 756 00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:47,142 Meaning, if I sink one of them, they're gonna sink my ass. 757 00:44:49,186 --> 00:44:50,813 I feel for his mama, 758 00:44:51,438 --> 00:44:53,607 but if she expects me 759 00:44:53,691 --> 00:44:55,693 to put my life in jeopardy 760 00:44:55,776 --> 00:44:58,028 to vindicate her son... 761 00:44:58,362 --> 00:45:01,323 then she's sadly mistaken 'cause I'm not going to do it. 762 00:45:02,491 --> 00:45:05,494 Listen, I can't imagine looking at having freedom 763 00:45:05,577 --> 00:45:08,414 and being asked to jeopardize that. 764 00:45:09,832 --> 00:45:12,543 And nobody should be put in a position 765 00:45:12,626 --> 00:45:14,378 where they have to choose between-- 766 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,340 Look, if his mother wants to talk to me I'll tell her when... 767 00:45:20,175 --> 00:45:22,761 So once you get out of prison, 768 00:45:22,845 --> 00:45:25,013 you would talk to Steven's mother? 769 00:45:25,639 --> 00:45:29,143 I will not lie to that woman in her face. 770 00:45:30,102 --> 00:45:33,397 But I can't do nothing for her in prison. 771 00:45:34,857 --> 00:45:36,900 This is their world, bro. 772 00:45:38,318 --> 00:45:40,779 I've heard what you said today, 773 00:45:40,863 --> 00:45:43,031 and I will share with his mother 774 00:45:43,115 --> 00:45:46,285 your willingness to speak to her. 775 00:45:46,368 --> 00:45:48,245 - Alright. - You take care and be safe. 776 00:45:48,328 --> 00:45:49,830 Yeah. 777 00:45:51,832 --> 00:45:52,833 Wow. 778 00:45:57,421 --> 00:46:01,759 So clearly he's being fed the... 779 00:46:02,718 --> 00:46:04,636 the officers' narrative. 780 00:46:06,472 --> 00:46:09,600 They just need one inmate backing up their story 781 00:46:09,683 --> 00:46:11,810 to keep this from ever going to court. 782 00:46:23,822 --> 00:46:25,449 We live in constant fear 783 00:46:25,949 --> 00:46:26,992 not knowing 784 00:46:27,284 --> 00:46:29,536 if the officers are going to shake us down, beat us up, 785 00:46:29,912 --> 00:46:30,954 or kill us... 786 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,081 Officer Gadson, 787 00:46:33,165 --> 00:46:35,834 he's a member of the 'Wrecking Crew,' they're called. 788 00:46:36,502 --> 00:46:38,796 They're like a gang. They really are. 789 00:46:38,879 --> 00:46:41,173 They've broke some of these dudes' arms, 790 00:46:41,256 --> 00:46:43,091 they've stomped their teeth out. 791 00:46:44,635 --> 00:46:46,637 They got a green light to jump on guys 792 00:46:47,179 --> 00:46:50,516 and they got addicted to physical brutality. 793 00:46:55,604 --> 00:46:58,398 I worked at Alabama Department of Corrections 794 00:46:58,482 --> 00:46:59,608 for eight years, 795 00:46:59,691 --> 00:47:01,610 and I feel like no person 796 00:47:01,693 --> 00:47:02,986 should go through the situation 797 00:47:03,070 --> 00:47:04,905 that's going on in the prison right now, 798 00:47:04,988 --> 00:47:06,406 as we speak. 799 00:47:07,241 --> 00:47:11,411 Correctional officers should be the most reliable, trustworthy. 800 00:47:12,746 --> 00:47:14,665 You really want people that will do the right thing 801 00:47:14,748 --> 00:47:16,124 when nobody's watching. 802 00:47:17,626 --> 00:47:19,545 But in Alabama, you don't have that. 803 00:47:21,338 --> 00:47:24,258 Every day I thought I shouldn't be participating in this. 804 00:47:26,176 --> 00:47:28,887 There's just so much stuff happening in there. 805 00:47:29,805 --> 00:47:32,224 So now there's a lot of officers leaving. 806 00:47:33,976 --> 00:47:37,729 Sometimes, we have one officer for 200, 300 inmates. 807 00:47:38,856 --> 00:47:42,150 With the low staffing, and the mandatory overtime, 808 00:47:42,234 --> 00:47:45,028 you've got officers that look like zombies. 809 00:47:46,530 --> 00:47:48,448 Look at this man in the cube, asleep. 810 00:47:54,288 --> 00:47:55,539 That's the cube. 811 00:47:55,622 --> 00:47:58,041 Ain't no police in the cube. None. 812 00:47:58,792 --> 00:48:00,586 Ain't no police in the dorm. 813 00:48:01,295 --> 00:48:02,921 Nowhere in the dorm. 814 00:48:04,006 --> 00:48:05,674 How do we get help? 815 00:48:07,384 --> 00:48:10,053 Because they're so desperate for officers, 816 00:48:10,137 --> 00:48:12,681 they just hire anybody that's going to do this job. 817 00:48:13,724 --> 00:48:16,059 So there's a lot of people that seek these jobs. 818 00:48:16,143 --> 00:48:19,187 They're wanting to be controlling and dominating. 819 00:48:21,064 --> 00:48:23,901 They were that kid picked on through school and 820 00:48:23,984 --> 00:48:26,320 they stamp that ol' badge on their shirt 821 00:48:27,571 --> 00:48:28,572 and now, 822 00:48:29,865 --> 00:48:30,991 they're that bully. 823 00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:32,910 They're that bully. 824 00:48:35,203 --> 00:48:36,997 All the officers, they told me straight up, 825 00:48:37,998 --> 00:48:40,459 'Anything these inmates do, you got the green light.' 826 00:48:41,084 --> 00:48:43,086 'They kick on the door, beat their ass.' 827 00:48:46,465 --> 00:48:48,383 'They talk crazy to you, beat their ass.' 828 00:48:51,428 --> 00:48:54,181 'Anything they do out of line, beat their ass.' 829 00:48:55,515 --> 00:48:58,393 And that's what they did. Beat their ass. 830 00:49:07,277 --> 00:49:09,321 This is supposed to be rehabilitation. 831 00:49:09,404 --> 00:49:11,031 What you rehabilitating? 832 00:49:11,698 --> 00:49:15,035 You can't rehabilitate a man by beating the hell out of him. 833 00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:22,084 It's not just a couple of bad apples. 834 00:49:22,167 --> 00:49:23,460 This is a norm. 835 00:49:23,543 --> 00:49:25,295 It goes on in every prison. 836 00:49:28,674 --> 00:49:31,635 There is an extensive history 837 00:49:31,718 --> 00:49:35,555 of pro se lawsuits we filed for decades 838 00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:38,976 against the same officers. 839 00:49:39,059 --> 00:49:40,936 The "pro se" means "for self." 840 00:49:41,019 --> 00:49:42,604 We're filing it ourselves, 841 00:49:42,688 --> 00:49:44,982 without assistance from attorneys. 842 00:49:45,065 --> 00:49:47,651 They're not taking up this litigation. We are. 843 00:49:48,568 --> 00:49:50,821 That's what we were taught at Halifax County. 844 00:49:52,489 --> 00:49:54,574 There is enough paperwork done 845 00:49:54,658 --> 00:49:56,785 for people to understand 846 00:49:56,868 --> 00:49:59,204 just how wide of a scale this is. 847 00:50:02,624 --> 00:50:05,711 All you have to do is go to the federal courts 848 00:50:05,794 --> 00:50:07,504 and look for the pro se litigation. 849 00:50:11,133 --> 00:50:14,428 But because there is no regard for our lives 850 00:50:15,262 --> 00:50:18,098 there is no consequences for their actions. 851 00:50:28,025 --> 00:50:30,110 Twenty lawsuits filed against you. 852 00:50:30,193 --> 00:50:31,737 Pro se lawsuits. 853 00:50:31,820 --> 00:50:34,698 It's like a pattern there. You see that? 854 00:50:34,781 --> 00:50:36,491 I see what they're alleging. 855 00:50:38,910 --> 00:50:40,787 Do you recognize that document? 856 00:50:40,871 --> 00:50:42,164 No, I don't. 857 00:50:42,998 --> 00:50:44,666 Can you read that? 858 00:50:44,750 --> 00:50:47,294 "These officers then used open hands, closed hands, 859 00:50:47,377 --> 00:50:50,756 feet, sticks, and a shield to beat me. 860 00:50:50,839 --> 00:50:52,507 Stomping, kicking, punching, slapping, 861 00:50:52,591 --> 00:50:54,760 and hitting me with a stick, and shield. 862 00:50:54,843 --> 00:50:56,094 I stated several more times 863 00:50:56,178 --> 00:50:57,471 that I was not resisting. 864 00:50:57,554 --> 00:51:00,307 Once again, my pleas were ignored." 865 00:51:00,390 --> 00:51:02,017 That doesn't ring any bells for you? 866 00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:03,727 Doesn't help you recollect anything? 867 00:51:03,810 --> 00:51:05,062 No, it don't. 868 00:51:06,188 --> 00:51:08,732 I ain't finna tell you that I ain't never used force 869 00:51:08,815 --> 00:51:10,108 'cause I'd be lying to you. 870 00:51:10,859 --> 00:51:12,569 I ain't never used excessive force. 871 00:51:13,361 --> 00:51:14,696 You never used excessive force? 872 00:51:14,780 --> 00:51:15,781 No, sir. 873 00:51:17,282 --> 00:51:19,493 Another man was put into a medically induced coma 874 00:51:19,576 --> 00:51:22,746 based on the beating that you and your squad gave him. 875 00:51:22,829 --> 00:51:24,331 You're saying that's necessary force. 876 00:51:24,414 --> 00:51:26,249 You can be placed in a medically induced coma 877 00:51:26,333 --> 00:51:27,959 if they're doing surgery on you. 878 00:51:29,127 --> 00:51:31,129 I'm just ask-- I'm just saying. 879 00:51:32,255 --> 00:51:34,466 "Officer Gadson grabbed me, picked me up, 880 00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:36,343 and slammed me into the concrete floor 881 00:51:36,426 --> 00:51:38,178 while in handcuffs." 882 00:51:39,304 --> 00:51:40,806 That doesn't mean anything to you? 883 00:51:40,889 --> 00:51:42,057 I mean, what... 884 00:51:42,140 --> 00:51:43,683 That's all them alleg-- 885 00:51:43,767 --> 00:51:45,227 It's allegations. I mean... 886 00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,605 So you're a victim of frivolous lawsuits? 887 00:51:51,983 --> 00:51:53,235 Hey. 888 00:51:53,318 --> 00:51:54,778 If that's what you call it. 889 00:51:57,989 --> 00:52:00,617 When an officer has a lawsuit pending on them 890 00:52:01,701 --> 00:52:03,662 a lot of them look at it as if 891 00:52:03,745 --> 00:52:06,540 'Aw man, I got my cherry popped.' You know what I'm saying? 892 00:52:07,582 --> 00:52:11,253 If you wrote your statement and you did your interview with I & I 893 00:52:12,003 --> 00:52:13,505 and they cleared you of it, 894 00:52:13,588 --> 00:52:16,424 once you get to court that's an open and shut case. 895 00:52:20,762 --> 00:52:23,348 Every lawsuit that I've been involved in, 896 00:52:24,391 --> 00:52:26,476 an inmate ain't never won. 897 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,979 But you settled some of those lawsuits, haven't you? 898 00:52:29,062 --> 00:52:31,523 - Who, I have? - Or your attorney on your behalf 899 00:52:31,606 --> 00:52:32,774 has settled those lawsuits. 900 00:52:32,858 --> 00:52:34,776 I don't know which ones they settle. 901 00:52:34,860 --> 00:52:36,778 Have you ever personally had to pay a settlement 902 00:52:36,862 --> 00:52:38,238 because of one of these lawsuits? 903 00:52:38,321 --> 00:52:39,531 I haven't. 904 00:52:40,574 --> 00:52:43,076 The state pays their legal bills. 905 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,121 If they lose, the state pays the settlement. 906 00:52:54,963 --> 00:52:58,341 It's a whole state apparatus that we're litigating against. 907 00:52:58,425 --> 00:53:01,511 It's not just the COs, or the sergeants, 908 00:53:01,595 --> 00:53:02,846 or the lieutenants. 909 00:53:02,929 --> 00:53:04,973 It's the captains, it's the wardens, 910 00:53:05,056 --> 00:53:06,308 the Commissioner's office, 911 00:53:06,391 --> 00:53:08,185 and the Attorney General's Office. 912 00:53:08,268 --> 00:53:10,145 Understanding that the state 913 00:53:10,228 --> 00:53:12,564 is settling one lawsuit after another. 914 00:53:12,647 --> 00:53:14,274 Beating someone, beating someone, 915 00:53:14,357 --> 00:53:15,525 beating someone. 916 00:53:15,609 --> 00:53:17,694 And these people did not get fired. 917 00:53:17,777 --> 00:53:19,529 They did not get suspended. 918 00:53:20,697 --> 00:53:23,533 An inmate got more rights than I got. 919 00:53:23,617 --> 00:53:25,410 - How so? - You know. 920 00:53:25,493 --> 00:53:27,162 That's why you're defending them. 921 00:53:28,413 --> 00:53:30,248 Somebody's defending you too, right? 922 00:53:30,332 --> 00:53:31,374 Right. 923 00:53:41,259 --> 00:53:42,969 Welcome back to The Jeff Poor Show 924 00:53:43,053 --> 00:53:45,222 on FM Talk 1065. 925 00:53:45,305 --> 00:53:47,766 I want to kick it off with the prison problem. 926 00:53:47,849 --> 00:53:50,477 The Department of Justice, kind of keeping an eye on them, 927 00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,103 watching it very close. 928 00:53:52,187 --> 00:53:53,396 Here's how it works, guys. 929 00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:54,856 Federal government could say, 930 00:53:54,940 --> 00:53:56,441 "You can't get this problem solved. 931 00:53:56,524 --> 00:53:58,276 We'll solve it for you." 932 00:53:58,360 --> 00:53:59,778 What if that happens here? 933 00:54:02,614 --> 00:54:04,908 New tonight, the Justice Department files a lawsuit 934 00:54:04,991 --> 00:54:07,035 for conditions in state prisons. 935 00:54:07,619 --> 00:54:09,454 A Justice Department investigation 936 00:54:09,537 --> 00:54:13,083 found conditions throughout the entire Alabama prison system 937 00:54:13,166 --> 00:54:15,043 are unconstitutional. 938 00:54:15,126 --> 00:54:17,504 Alarming new report from the Justice Department 939 00:54:17,587 --> 00:54:18,880 details horrifying conditions 940 00:54:18,964 --> 00:54:22,842 and regular occurrences of murder and rape. 941 00:54:22,926 --> 00:54:24,970 According to the DOJ, 942 00:54:25,053 --> 00:54:28,056 an excessive amount of violence, sexual abuse, 943 00:54:28,139 --> 00:54:31,142 and prisoner deaths occur on a regular basis. 944 00:54:31,226 --> 00:54:35,313 ADOC appears unable to prevent drugs in its prisons. 945 00:54:35,397 --> 00:54:38,650 And unlawful uses of force are common. 946 00:54:38,733 --> 00:54:41,736 During a beating, nurses heard an officer yell, 947 00:54:41,820 --> 00:54:46,116 "I am the reaper of death, now say my name." 948 00:54:46,199 --> 00:54:47,784 This comes more than four years 949 00:54:47,867 --> 00:54:50,036 after the DOJ opened investigation 950 00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:51,496 into the state's prison system. 951 00:54:52,455 --> 00:54:55,250 State officials are pushing back. 952 00:54:55,333 --> 00:54:58,086 Alabama Attorney General Steve Marshall. 953 00:54:58,169 --> 00:55:00,171 Let's leave no doubt behind. 954 00:55:00,255 --> 00:55:02,340 What the Department of Justice wants to do 955 00:55:02,424 --> 00:55:03,633 is to be able to take over 956 00:55:03,717 --> 00:55:05,593 the Alabama Department of Corrections. 957 00:55:05,677 --> 00:55:08,430 That's not the remedy that we believe is appropriate. 958 00:55:08,513 --> 00:55:09,931 We're going to defend Alabama's interests. 959 00:55:19,399 --> 00:55:20,608 Hey there. 960 00:55:21,526 --> 00:55:25,572 We're celebrating the fact that the DOJ filed that lawsuit. 961 00:55:26,406 --> 00:55:28,575 Like, this is what's actually happening. 962 00:55:29,492 --> 00:55:31,369 This ain't our version, 963 00:55:31,453 --> 00:55:34,456 this is a third party, independent investigation. 964 00:55:35,582 --> 00:55:38,001 The only thing I'm worried about is 965 00:55:38,084 --> 00:55:39,210 you already saw what 966 00:55:39,294 --> 00:55:41,588 the Attorney General Marshall said, 967 00:55:41,671 --> 00:55:42,756 'Feds don't tell us what to do, 968 00:55:42,839 --> 00:55:44,257 they're not going to run Alabama.' 969 00:55:44,799 --> 00:55:46,217 It's already a fight. 970 00:55:48,386 --> 00:55:51,014 The evidence in the lawsuit is overwhelming. 971 00:55:51,931 --> 00:55:54,142 How can you defend this? 972 00:55:54,684 --> 00:55:56,269 Say you didn't know, Steve. 973 00:55:56,353 --> 00:55:58,021 To learn that 974 00:55:58,271 --> 00:56:00,482 I represent a state that this is going on 975 00:56:00,565 --> 00:56:01,566 and my position is, 976 00:56:01,649 --> 00:56:03,985 'I'm going to use all the resources at my disposal 977 00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:05,195 to defend this...' 978 00:56:05,278 --> 00:56:07,405 then it speaks volumes about 979 00:56:08,156 --> 00:56:09,699 the state of Alabama. 980 00:56:15,121 --> 00:56:16,122 You have to remember 981 00:56:16,623 --> 00:56:18,166 this is the heart of Dixie. 982 00:56:19,959 --> 00:56:22,545 This is where the capital of the Confederacy was at. 983 00:56:25,173 --> 00:56:29,052 Everything that Alabama has done in regards 984 00:56:29,135 --> 00:56:31,554 to justice and equality, 985 00:56:31,638 --> 00:56:34,224 they were forced to do it by the federal government. 986 00:56:35,433 --> 00:56:39,813 From the Civil War, to ending chattel slavery, 987 00:56:40,730 --> 00:56:42,816 to stopping segregation. 988 00:56:44,401 --> 00:56:47,237 They don't believe in letting nobody outside dictate 989 00:56:47,862 --> 00:56:49,864 how they deal with their people. 990 00:56:51,241 --> 00:56:54,369 You know what I'm saying, "We gonna have an Alabama solution." 991 00:56:54,452 --> 00:56:56,204 It's got to be an Alabama solution. 992 00:56:56,287 --> 00:56:58,498 We cannot tolerate the alternative, 993 00:56:58,581 --> 00:57:02,001 which is having the DOJ take it over, turn folks loose. 994 00:57:02,085 --> 00:57:04,045 It's our problem, we got to own it, 995 00:57:04,129 --> 00:57:05,171 we got to fix it. 996 00:57:14,722 --> 00:57:15,723 Hey. 997 00:57:16,766 --> 00:57:17,934 Hold on one second. 998 00:57:20,645 --> 00:57:24,816 So, uh, how I feel about Alabama right now ain't very good. 999 00:57:25,817 --> 00:57:28,069 Because the DOJ investigated 1000 00:57:28,820 --> 00:57:30,738 and they ain't doing nothing about it. 1001 00:57:31,322 --> 00:57:32,323 And now 1002 00:57:33,366 --> 00:57:35,493 ain't nobody making parole. 1003 00:57:38,204 --> 00:57:40,331 Records show the number of paroles granted 1004 00:57:40,415 --> 00:57:43,585 in Alabama has plummeted to a new low. 1005 00:57:43,668 --> 00:57:45,462 In just three years, 1006 00:57:45,545 --> 00:57:47,005 parole rates have fallen 1007 00:57:47,088 --> 00:57:49,966 by a staggering 72%. 1008 00:57:51,009 --> 00:57:53,428 Alabama's parole rate is so low, 1009 00:57:53,511 --> 00:57:56,139 it doesn't offer any hope to prisoners. 1010 00:58:03,271 --> 00:58:05,356 I've been locked up since I was 16 1011 00:58:06,107 --> 00:58:08,318 and I've been here 33 years. 1012 00:58:10,361 --> 00:58:12,322 I've been up for parole three times. 1013 00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:16,618 So what kind of state of mind am I supposed to be in? 1014 00:58:17,494 --> 00:58:19,245 Am I just supposed to just sit here and say, 'Well, 1015 00:58:19,579 --> 00:58:21,706 they might let me out after I do 50'? 1016 00:58:25,668 --> 00:58:28,963 But I'm not gonna act like I don't understand 1017 00:58:29,047 --> 00:58:31,007 the other side of the crime. 1018 00:58:32,383 --> 00:58:35,303 Some victims have really been through hell. 1019 00:58:36,513 --> 00:58:38,806 And I can't soften that none. 1020 00:58:41,935 --> 00:58:43,728 But you mean to tell me that 1021 00:58:43,811 --> 00:58:46,814 none of these dudes deserve a second chance? 1022 00:58:49,984 --> 00:58:51,819 It hurts when I think about it. 1023 00:58:54,405 --> 00:58:56,824 I've been on drugs, I've been... 1024 00:58:58,201 --> 00:59:00,537 I've been through the whole cycle. 1025 00:59:01,204 --> 00:59:04,457 It's, it's just a coping thing. 1026 00:59:04,999 --> 00:59:06,584 It don't help nothing. 1027 00:59:09,003 --> 00:59:12,382 We try and block out the things that cause us pain... 1028 00:59:14,425 --> 00:59:16,386 the pain of never getting out. 1029 00:59:18,638 --> 00:59:19,973 And I ain't gonna lie. 1030 00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:22,267 I haven't been a model prisoner. 1031 00:59:23,977 --> 00:59:25,353 I sold drugs, 1032 00:59:26,521 --> 00:59:28,815 shit that wasn't good, you know... 1033 00:59:31,359 --> 00:59:32,360 But 1034 00:59:32,443 --> 00:59:35,780 the officers, they play a big part in it. 1035 00:59:37,991 --> 00:59:41,661 The volume of drugs that come in comes from the officers. 1036 00:59:43,705 --> 00:59:45,915 If you're an officer that's willing to bring it in, 1037 00:59:45,999 --> 00:59:48,918 you know, it's not like a free market enterprise. 1038 00:59:49,002 --> 00:59:50,128 It's more like a monopoly. 1039 00:59:50,211 --> 00:59:51,963 So you could bring in drugs. 1040 00:59:52,046 --> 00:59:54,048 Oh, easy. Very easy. 1041 00:59:55,091 --> 00:59:57,218 There's no checkpoints out at the front. 1042 00:59:57,302 --> 00:59:59,262 There's no dogs anymore. 1043 00:59:59,345 --> 01:00:01,264 So they're not even going to be paying attention. 1044 01:00:02,265 --> 01:00:04,392 I just wonder if they're afraid they'll catch somebody too 1045 01:00:04,475 --> 01:00:07,228 and have to fire them, because we're so shorthanded. 1046 01:00:07,312 --> 01:00:09,689 So which is worse, somebody bringing in drugs? 1047 01:00:09,772 --> 01:00:11,983 Or that person not being there anymore? 1048 01:00:16,988 --> 01:00:18,156 This dorm I'm in 1049 01:00:18,239 --> 01:00:21,034 is supposed to be a rehabilitation treatment center. 1050 01:00:22,118 --> 01:00:23,578 And when dudes come in here 1051 01:00:23,953 --> 01:00:25,246 most of them want help. 1052 01:00:27,206 --> 01:00:30,877 It's a federally funded program since '99. 1053 01:00:31,753 --> 01:00:34,797 The money -- it ain't coming to us, that's for damn sure. 1054 01:00:36,049 --> 01:00:39,218 There's no program to help you with drug treatment, 1055 01:00:39,552 --> 01:00:41,387 there's no relapse prevention... 1056 01:00:43,097 --> 01:00:44,974 Nobody in here helping us with shit. 1057 01:00:46,976 --> 01:00:49,145 What happened was, our counselor, 1058 01:00:49,228 --> 01:00:52,065 he had been working here for nine years. 1059 01:00:53,274 --> 01:00:54,984 He turned in a resignation. 1060 01:00:56,152 --> 01:00:58,863 Before he left, he pretty much 1061 01:00:58,946 --> 01:01:01,074 told me how to do everything. 1062 01:01:03,409 --> 01:01:06,037 And right now I'm in charge of the treatment. 1063 01:01:08,081 --> 01:01:10,583 I facilitate the classes. 1064 01:01:12,627 --> 01:01:14,837 I'm making a list of the pre-treatment, 1065 01:01:14,921 --> 01:01:17,590 the active treatment, the aftercare... 1066 01:01:20,385 --> 01:01:22,387 Helping a brother get in here, man. 1067 01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:23,471 Here we go. 1068 01:01:25,098 --> 01:01:26,683 I mean, I can tell a dude, 1069 01:01:26,974 --> 01:01:30,228 you know, what I did to rehabilitate, but 1070 01:01:30,311 --> 01:01:33,314 I'm pretty sure that there's more ways than I know 1071 01:01:33,398 --> 01:01:35,400 that are available to people 1072 01:01:35,483 --> 01:01:38,736 that want to try and, you know, kick this habit. 1073 01:01:39,362 --> 01:01:42,490 Especially one that's killing people at an all-time rate. 1074 01:01:42,865 --> 01:01:44,742 I mean... it's just 1075 01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:46,160 constant. 1076 01:01:48,162 --> 01:01:49,706 This morning a dude just OD'ed. 1077 01:01:50,540 --> 01:01:51,999 We found him on the toilet. 1078 01:01:53,334 --> 01:01:56,295 He OD'ing, there ain't a police in here. 1079 01:01:57,505 --> 01:01:58,715 - Hey! - Hey! 1080 01:01:58,798 --> 01:02:00,133 Hey, hold him up. Hold him up. 1081 01:02:01,509 --> 01:02:03,469 I don't want to watch people die. 1082 01:02:05,096 --> 01:02:06,889 You gotta get it out of him, man. 1083 01:02:27,410 --> 01:02:29,579 We got a laundry cart, 1084 01:02:29,662 --> 01:02:32,039 we'll run them to the infirmary. 1085 01:02:33,332 --> 01:02:35,042 We'll be the ambulance. 1086 01:02:37,295 --> 01:02:39,714 And some of them make it and some of them don't. 1087 01:02:43,676 --> 01:02:45,344 You keep seeing people die, 1088 01:02:45,887 --> 01:02:47,513 seeing people OD, 1089 01:02:48,473 --> 01:02:51,476 I only know so much, you know what I'm saying, uh... 1090 01:02:53,144 --> 01:02:55,396 It's kind of hard because you get to know them. 1091 01:02:56,314 --> 01:02:59,525 You know, they're regular people just with a problem. 1092 01:03:17,168 --> 01:03:19,545 So is there anything we can say 1093 01:03:19,629 --> 01:03:22,590 about the nature of criminal behavior? 1094 01:03:24,175 --> 01:03:26,135 I think there are evil people in the world, 1095 01:03:26,219 --> 01:03:28,262 and I think there are individuals 1096 01:03:28,346 --> 01:03:31,682 that have absolutely no regard for human life. 1097 01:03:32,558 --> 01:03:34,936 Is the prison system close to working? 1098 01:03:35,019 --> 01:03:38,105 Does it require a massive overhaul? 1099 01:03:38,189 --> 01:03:40,399 I think we have a strategic plan in place. 1100 01:03:40,483 --> 01:03:43,986 There's an argument that there is some systemic problem 1101 01:03:44,070 --> 01:03:45,488 within all of our facilities, 1102 01:03:45,571 --> 01:03:47,323 and I wholeheartedly disagree with that. 1103 01:03:50,159 --> 01:03:51,953 "We dare defend our rights." 1104 01:03:52,036 --> 01:03:54,831 That is a motto of this state that I think matters. 1105 01:03:55,373 --> 01:03:57,124 We have the opportunity to push back against 1106 01:03:57,208 --> 01:03:59,836 what we think is an overreach of the Department of Justice. 1107 01:04:01,629 --> 01:04:05,007 We don't necessarily embrace the fact that Washington, D.C., 1108 01:04:05,091 --> 01:04:06,968 has all the answers. 1109 01:04:07,051 --> 01:04:09,136 We want to be able to do it ourselves in ways 1110 01:04:09,220 --> 01:04:10,888 that we think make sense for Alabama. 1111 01:04:10,972 --> 01:04:14,350 And in fact, the governor's plan demonstrates that. 1112 01:04:17,937 --> 01:04:20,773 Her Excellency, Kay Ellen Ivey. 1113 01:04:22,149 --> 01:04:23,442 A lot to tackle. 1114 01:04:23,526 --> 01:04:25,194 Lawmakers are under an edict 1115 01:04:25,278 --> 01:04:26,696 from the federal government 1116 01:04:26,779 --> 01:04:30,366 to solve ongoing issues in the state prison system. 1117 01:04:30,449 --> 01:04:33,035 Here now, the governor, live from Montgomery. 1118 01:04:35,413 --> 01:04:36,831 Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. 1119 01:04:36,914 --> 01:04:38,249 Please be seated. 1120 01:04:39,625 --> 01:04:42,211 You heard me say this before, and I'll say it again. 1121 01:04:42,795 --> 01:04:44,463 This is an Alabama problem 1122 01:04:44,547 --> 01:04:47,008 that must have an Alabama solution. 1123 01:04:47,091 --> 01:04:50,386 I look forward to working with each of you to solve it. 1124 01:04:56,475 --> 01:04:59,687 I've asked Commissioner Dunn to build three new prisons 1125 01:04:59,770 --> 01:05:02,023 that will transition our facilities 1126 01:05:02,106 --> 01:05:05,818 from warehousing inmates to rehabilitating people. 1127 01:05:10,156 --> 01:05:13,701 The governor's plan calls for replacing 11 major prisons 1128 01:05:13,784 --> 01:05:16,329 with three regional mega-prisons. 1129 01:05:16,412 --> 01:05:18,623 That's the best you can do in the state of Alabama 1130 01:05:18,706 --> 01:05:20,207 and people are dying? 1131 01:05:20,291 --> 01:05:21,792 People are being killed? 1132 01:05:21,876 --> 01:05:25,838 And the best you can say is, "We got new prisons coming." 1133 01:05:26,964 --> 01:05:28,132 This won't address 1134 01:05:28,215 --> 01:05:29,967 the state's overcrowding problem. 1135 01:05:30,051 --> 01:05:32,553 There'll be the same issue since there will be the same number 1136 01:05:32,637 --> 01:05:34,180 of beds in the Department of Corrections. 1137 01:05:34,263 --> 01:05:35,473 Is that correct? 1138 01:05:37,058 --> 01:05:38,059 Pretty much. 1139 01:05:39,852 --> 01:05:41,479 The governor estimates the cost 1140 01:05:41,562 --> 01:05:44,190 for the new prisons would be around $900 million. 1141 01:05:44,774 --> 01:05:48,527 - $900 million. - $900 million. 1142 01:05:49,570 --> 01:05:52,156 Building new prisons has nothing to do with the DOJ mandate. 1143 01:05:56,243 --> 01:05:59,121 It's strictly about issuing out contracts 1144 01:05:59,205 --> 01:06:00,957 to people to build these new prisons. 1145 01:06:02,500 --> 01:06:05,753 There's a lot of people with their hands in the pot. 1146 01:06:05,836 --> 01:06:07,588 So the building of three mega-prisons 1147 01:06:07,672 --> 01:06:10,091 is a big, big, big money scheme. 1148 01:06:11,217 --> 01:06:14,136 We're gonna build those prisons because we need those prisons. 1149 01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,036 No one around here understands. 1150 01:06:41,580 --> 01:06:44,583 He was beat to death in prison by a guard. 1151 01:06:45,292 --> 01:06:46,919 By a guard? 1152 01:06:49,755 --> 01:06:53,342 Well, what did he do to go to prison Sandy? 1153 01:06:53,801 --> 01:06:57,388 He was with a couple and the guy that was with him shot someone. 1154 01:06:58,055 --> 01:06:59,890 So Steven was with him, 1155 01:06:59,974 --> 01:07:02,309 so he got charged with murder too. 1156 01:07:03,561 --> 01:07:05,813 Has your boy ever been, uh, 1157 01:07:05,896 --> 01:07:08,357 on dope or alcohol? 1158 01:07:10,735 --> 01:07:13,362 At a time, they've all done it, you know? 1159 01:07:18,492 --> 01:07:19,827 A lot of people are cold. 1160 01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:21,537 They say "They deserve it. They're in prison. 1161 01:07:21,620 --> 01:07:22,997 What do you expect?" 1162 01:07:23,873 --> 01:07:25,624 They don't care how they're treated. 1163 01:07:27,168 --> 01:07:30,838 But, you know, I never thought I would be in this situation, 1164 01:07:30,921 --> 01:07:34,383 that I would have to care how someone was treated in prison. 1165 01:07:39,555 --> 01:07:41,640 I'm just waiting for Stevie's roommate, 1166 01:07:41,724 --> 01:07:44,769 James Sales, to get out so we can talk. 1167 01:07:44,852 --> 01:07:47,772 Because right now he's just too afraid, 1168 01:07:47,855 --> 01:07:49,690 which I can understand. 1169 01:07:49,774 --> 01:07:52,485 Steven's not the only one that's been beaten. 1170 01:07:53,319 --> 01:07:56,113 He's not the only one that's gonna be beaten. 1171 01:07:56,197 --> 01:07:58,532 They deserve to be kept safe. 1172 01:08:08,959 --> 01:08:12,797 It's a little more tense and a little more stressful than usual. 1173 01:08:14,632 --> 01:08:16,300 The administration believes that 1174 01:08:16,801 --> 01:08:18,844 I brought the DOJ here. 1175 01:08:19,929 --> 01:08:22,306 They feel like I'm trying to get them fired. 1176 01:08:24,016 --> 01:08:25,976 They feel like it's in their best interest 1177 01:08:26,060 --> 01:08:28,938 for Free Alabama Movement to get snuffed out. 1178 01:08:29,563 --> 01:08:32,024 With us buried in a cell or something like that. 1179 01:08:34,026 --> 01:08:37,404 I try to keep two, three people with me at all times and 1180 01:08:37,822 --> 01:08:40,157 try not to get caught up in an isolated spot. 1181 01:08:58,175 --> 01:09:00,469 Shit, all the goddamn mace and shit, man. 1182 01:09:00,553 --> 01:09:01,804 Look at this shit. 1183 01:09:03,222 --> 01:09:04,640 They just jumped on Robert Earl, man. 1184 01:09:04,723 --> 01:09:06,559 The police just did this shit, man... 1185 01:09:07,393 --> 01:09:08,435 Look at this shit. 1186 01:09:08,519 --> 01:09:09,520 Turn the light on. 1187 01:09:12,606 --> 01:09:13,732 Look at all this blood, man. 1188 01:09:16,443 --> 01:09:17,987 They drug him out of here. 1189 01:09:23,826 --> 01:09:25,286 Lord have mercy. 1190 01:09:35,671 --> 01:09:39,008 They keep saying, 'Robert Earl won't move.' 1191 01:09:39,717 --> 01:09:44,180 He hit him with the stick across the face, he's on the ground. 1192 01:09:44,263 --> 01:09:47,683 He hit him again. When he was already down. 1193 01:09:49,602 --> 01:09:51,478 I'm standing in the door. 1194 01:09:51,562 --> 01:09:53,606 I watched them drag him out by his feet... 1195 01:09:54,940 --> 01:09:57,109 with his face on the ground, 1196 01:09:57,193 --> 01:10:01,572 just leaving a trail of blood all the way out the door. 1197 01:10:22,426 --> 01:10:24,470 His cellmate called me. 1198 01:10:25,888 --> 01:10:27,056 The guards, 1199 01:10:28,182 --> 01:10:29,475 they thought they had killed him. 1200 01:10:31,393 --> 01:10:33,103 They dragged him face down 1201 01:10:33,896 --> 01:10:34,897 by his feet 1202 01:10:35,272 --> 01:10:36,774 to the shift office. 1203 01:10:39,068 --> 01:10:40,819 When they were trying to clean up the blood 1204 01:10:41,403 --> 01:10:43,113 some kinda chemical spilled. 1205 01:10:45,282 --> 01:10:46,617 That's what woke him up. 1206 01:10:47,701 --> 01:10:49,286 And that's what made them realize 1207 01:10:49,745 --> 01:10:51,247 that he was still alive. 1208 01:11:03,217 --> 01:11:05,094 They're really keeping it on the hush up. 1209 01:11:06,178 --> 01:11:09,139 Everybody's just being like, 'It never happened.' 1210 01:11:11,850 --> 01:11:13,560 Sorry. There is no operator available 1211 01:11:13,644 --> 01:11:14,853 at this hour. 1212 01:11:14,937 --> 01:11:16,313 Record your message at the tone. 1213 01:11:17,273 --> 01:11:19,775 They won't let you know how your kid's doing. 1214 01:11:19,858 --> 01:11:22,778 You've got to go to bed and sit there 1215 01:11:22,861 --> 01:11:25,864 and just wonder, "How is he doing?" 1216 01:11:25,948 --> 01:11:27,908 They wouldn't tell nobody nothing. 1217 01:11:28,951 --> 01:11:30,369 I want to know what's going on. 1218 01:11:30,452 --> 01:11:32,830 I want to know how can we stick together 1219 01:11:32,913 --> 01:11:37,167 and help and give him the justice that he deserves? 1220 01:11:39,211 --> 01:11:42,881 And if anybody ever cared about Robert Earl, 1221 01:11:42,965 --> 01:11:45,467 this is the time for them to stand up. 1222 01:11:47,344 --> 01:11:50,889 This is the time for them to protest for justice, 1223 01:11:50,973 --> 01:11:53,309 for the injustice system. 1224 01:11:53,392 --> 01:11:55,436 There's nothing right about this. 1225 01:11:58,272 --> 01:12:00,774 - Alabama legislators! - Enough is enough! 1226 01:12:00,858 --> 01:12:03,652 - DOC! - Enough is enough! 1227 01:12:03,736 --> 01:12:06,530 - DOC! - Enough is enough! 1228 01:12:06,613 --> 01:12:09,867 My dad was locked up since I was a baby. 1229 01:12:09,950 --> 01:12:13,912 But he's been the most impactful person in my life. 1230 01:12:15,539 --> 01:12:17,416 Prisoners are humans too. 1231 01:12:18,375 --> 01:12:20,294 My dad is a human. 1232 01:12:20,377 --> 01:12:22,254 He's a great human. 1233 01:12:23,839 --> 01:12:26,633 And he deserves better treatment. 1234 01:12:27,426 --> 01:12:29,720 All the prisoners deserve better treatment. 1235 01:12:29,803 --> 01:12:31,180 Enough is enough! 1236 01:12:32,348 --> 01:12:34,725 - Enough is enough! - Enough is enough! 1237 01:12:34,808 --> 01:12:36,810 Protesters calling out what they describe 1238 01:12:36,894 --> 01:12:40,064 as the prison system's inhumane treatment of inmates. 1239 01:12:40,689 --> 01:12:43,192 While the demand for action is happening outside 1240 01:12:43,275 --> 01:12:46,570 of the statehouse, a meeting to address those concerns 1241 01:12:46,653 --> 01:12:48,489 was happening inside. 1242 01:12:48,572 --> 01:12:51,283 Governor Kay Ivey created a study group 1243 01:12:51,367 --> 01:12:54,370 to examine the issues. That group met today. 1244 01:12:55,788 --> 01:12:58,624 Now that we've outlined the rules of this meeting, 1245 01:12:58,707 --> 01:13:00,084 let's begin. 1246 01:13:00,876 --> 01:13:03,837 Now, of course, the way to assure absolute 1247 01:13:03,921 --> 01:13:05,672 and total protection of the public 1248 01:13:05,756 --> 01:13:07,341 upon conviction of crime 1249 01:13:08,092 --> 01:13:11,804 would be execution of all who are convicted. 1250 01:13:12,930 --> 01:13:15,599 However, conscience 1251 01:13:15,682 --> 01:13:17,601 and the limits of the U.S. Constitution 1252 01:13:17,684 --> 01:13:20,938 do not tolerate such extreme consequence 1253 01:13:21,021 --> 01:13:22,689 of wrongdoing. 1254 01:13:22,773 --> 01:13:25,067 So we live with the reality 1255 01:13:25,150 --> 01:13:27,820 that most of those who are convicted of crime 1256 01:13:27,903 --> 01:13:31,240 will someday again walk the streets. 1257 01:13:31,323 --> 01:13:36,120 With that, it's time to get the program underway. 1258 01:13:36,203 --> 01:13:39,540 Corrections Commissioner Jeff Dunn is here. 1259 01:13:49,299 --> 01:13:51,343 That's my son, Steven Davis. 1260 01:13:57,099 --> 01:13:59,518 I have still yet to hear from the prison system 1261 01:13:59,601 --> 01:14:01,645 to find out what happened to my son. 1262 01:14:04,356 --> 01:14:06,442 All I've heard is what they have released in the press, 1263 01:14:06,525 --> 01:14:08,777 that he was beat by officers. 1264 01:14:10,654 --> 01:14:13,073 A dog wouldn't be treated this way. 1265 01:14:14,575 --> 01:14:18,245 I hope you will do justice and give me answers. 1266 01:14:18,829 --> 01:14:20,289 Somehow or another. 1267 01:14:28,338 --> 01:14:30,466 Please take your seats. 1268 01:14:30,549 --> 01:14:33,760 We have a limited amount of time to deal with this. 1269 01:14:34,803 --> 01:14:36,305 I can't speak to specifics. 1270 01:14:36,388 --> 01:14:37,931 It's an ongoing investigation, 1271 01:14:38,015 --> 01:14:40,726 - and I pledge to you that-- - It's still going on? 1272 01:14:40,809 --> 01:14:42,394 It is still going on. 1273 01:14:42,478 --> 01:14:45,522 And we are going to pursue it, based on the facts, 1274 01:14:45,606 --> 01:14:49,067 to the fullest extent that we're allowed. 1275 01:14:49,151 --> 01:14:50,903 You told me I can call the DA's office? 1276 01:14:50,986 --> 01:14:52,154 - Yes, ma'am. - And find out? 1277 01:14:52,237 --> 01:14:53,405 Yes, ma'am. That's correct. 1278 01:14:53,489 --> 01:14:55,908 They said they didn't have Stevie's name. 1279 01:14:57,659 --> 01:15:00,871 Well, I can't respond to what they may tell you, 1280 01:15:00,954 --> 01:15:02,956 but that's the actions that we took. 1281 01:15:03,707 --> 01:15:06,043 - It's good to see you. Okay. - Good to see you. 1282 01:15:07,169 --> 01:15:09,254 Nothing. Nothing. 1283 01:15:16,345 --> 01:15:18,931 You know, they don't want that picture to be seen. 1284 01:15:19,014 --> 01:15:20,182 I know they don't. 1285 01:15:22,392 --> 01:15:25,145 But I want to show the world what they've done, 1286 01:15:25,229 --> 01:15:28,524 why I'm out here screaming and hollering. 1287 01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:38,784 And you know the prisoners are scared. 1288 01:15:38,867 --> 01:15:40,786 They're seeing all this go down and nothing, 1289 01:15:40,869 --> 01:15:42,579 no justice being done. 1290 01:15:42,663 --> 01:15:45,415 Don't you know they're scared they're liable to be killed too? 1291 01:15:56,552 --> 01:16:03,559 I would be, if I was next door and they beat my buddy to death. 1292 01:16:15,612 --> 01:16:21,326 They just found inmate James Sales dead in his cell. 1293 01:16:22,786 --> 01:16:24,413 I was told by nursing staff 1294 01:16:24,496 --> 01:16:28,333 he was bleeding from his rectum, mouth, and nose. 1295 01:16:30,377 --> 01:16:32,879 He was Steven Davis' cellmate 1296 01:16:32,963 --> 01:16:35,591 when Steven was beaten to death by officers. 1297 01:16:36,883 --> 01:16:39,344 Since then, he was convinced 1298 01:16:39,428 --> 01:16:41,054 that the Department of Corrections 1299 01:16:41,138 --> 01:16:45,183 was trying to kill him and begging to be transferred. 1300 01:16:46,059 --> 01:16:49,896 He was scheduled for release less than a month away. 1301 01:16:56,570 --> 01:16:58,196 The day shift found him. 1302 01:16:59,114 --> 01:17:02,909 Sales was stiff as a board and white as a sheet. 1303 01:17:05,037 --> 01:17:08,081 It's common for guards to pass guys cigarettes and candy 1304 01:17:08,498 --> 01:17:10,417 to keep them from banging on the door, to keep them calm, 1305 01:17:10,500 --> 01:17:11,668 stuff like that. 1306 01:17:12,628 --> 01:17:14,755 The runner back there told us specifically, 1307 01:17:14,838 --> 01:17:17,090 'Man, officers told me to give this to Sales, 1308 01:17:17,174 --> 01:17:19,426 I can't sell y'all this, this go to Sales.' 1309 01:17:20,552 --> 01:17:23,305 I don't know what all was on that cigarette. 1310 01:17:23,764 --> 01:17:25,474 Who knows what they put in there. 1311 01:17:26,558 --> 01:17:29,519 In prison, inmates call that a 'hot shot.' 1312 01:17:42,699 --> 01:17:45,494 This is James Sales' autopsy. 1313 01:17:46,411 --> 01:17:51,333 Young guy. No drugs. No injuries. 1314 01:17:52,125 --> 01:17:54,628 Cause of death: undetermined. 1315 01:17:54,711 --> 01:17:57,339 Somebody this close to release, this young, 1316 01:17:57,422 --> 01:17:59,841 no other health problems just suddenly drops dead, 1317 01:17:59,925 --> 01:18:01,968 just doesn't sit right with me. 1318 01:18:02,761 --> 01:18:07,015 He's like a poster child for how fucked up, 1319 01:18:07,099 --> 01:18:09,726 how totally fucked up this system is. 1320 01:18:11,395 --> 01:18:14,022 Mr. Sales committed a minor crime, 1321 01:18:14,773 --> 01:18:17,484 breaking into an unoccupied building. 1322 01:18:18,902 --> 01:18:20,362 Didn't hurt anybody, 1323 01:18:20,445 --> 01:18:23,448 doesn't even appear he necessarily even took anything. 1324 01:18:24,032 --> 01:18:26,201 And then he gets 15 years? 1325 01:18:26,952 --> 01:18:30,414 And then he's put in the highest security prison 1326 01:18:30,497 --> 01:18:31,957 in the state of Alabama? 1327 01:18:33,291 --> 01:18:36,378 This guy needed rehabilitation. 1328 01:18:36,461 --> 01:18:39,631 He didn't need to be put in the worst hellhole 1329 01:18:39,715 --> 01:18:42,008 in the Department of Corrections system. 1330 01:18:43,719 --> 01:18:45,220 And then he had to witness 1331 01:18:45,971 --> 01:18:47,973 Steven Davis get murdered right in front of him. 1332 01:18:52,477 --> 01:18:54,438 He told me one time that 1333 01:18:54,813 --> 01:18:57,107 he wouldn't mind talking to Steven's mom, 1334 01:18:58,275 --> 01:19:01,278 but he didn't know if any of the number of officers 1335 01:19:01,945 --> 01:19:03,447 who works in that unit 1336 01:19:03,905 --> 01:19:05,282 would come back to get him. 1337 01:19:06,616 --> 01:19:09,703 I told him, just hold what you know until you get out. 1338 01:19:12,122 --> 01:19:14,499 Most of the coincidences I run into 1339 01:19:14,583 --> 01:19:16,710 don't turn out to be coincidences. 1340 01:19:54,623 --> 01:19:57,125 I've been here 11 months. 1341 01:19:57,209 --> 01:19:58,627 In segregation. 1342 01:20:00,462 --> 01:20:01,630 Unjustly. 1343 01:20:04,633 --> 01:20:07,552 I believe the Alabama Department of Corrections 1344 01:20:07,636 --> 01:20:09,679 attempted to assassinate me. 1345 01:20:10,931 --> 01:20:13,350 I had no weapon, presented no threat... 1346 01:20:13,433 --> 01:20:16,353 when three officers carrying batons 1347 01:20:17,771 --> 01:20:21,441 assaulted and attempted to kill me and left me locked in a cell 1348 01:20:21,900 --> 01:20:25,362 for several minutes face down in a pool of blood. 1349 01:20:26,363 --> 01:20:30,158 I've already lost sight in my left eye as a result. 1350 01:20:32,118 --> 01:20:34,871 Now they're attempting to hold me in solitary confinement 1351 01:20:34,955 --> 01:20:36,248 indefinitely. 1352 01:20:38,917 --> 01:20:42,212 I keep my food in a laundry bag hanging from the bars. 1353 01:20:43,129 --> 01:20:46,258 Then they write me disciplinaries for hanging things from the bars. 1354 01:20:46,341 --> 01:20:48,218 But if I put it on the floor, 1355 01:20:49,010 --> 01:20:50,387 they'll get it. 1356 01:20:50,846 --> 01:20:51,930 Rats. 1357 01:20:53,765 --> 01:20:55,892 Eleven caught in one night. 1358 01:20:57,602 --> 01:21:00,897 Then you look in my toilet, you see them swimming. 1359 01:21:03,024 --> 01:21:05,026 This is like psychological torture 1360 01:21:05,652 --> 01:21:09,573 on top of the assault that I'm dealing with. 1361 01:21:14,828 --> 01:21:16,621 It's getting to the point now where 1362 01:21:16,705 --> 01:21:18,874 I'm getting tired of doing lawsuits. 1363 01:21:20,417 --> 01:21:22,669 No matter what I do, they continue to 1364 01:21:22,961 --> 01:21:25,964 abuse their authority without any consequence. 1365 01:21:27,591 --> 01:21:30,093 So in these situations when I, you know, 1366 01:21:30,176 --> 01:21:33,221 get sprayed, get jumped on, get locked up, 1367 01:21:34,139 --> 01:21:36,349 my initial thought is 1368 01:21:36,766 --> 01:21:37,934 to be violent. 1369 01:21:39,853 --> 01:21:42,105 You know, you always revert back to what you 1370 01:21:42,188 --> 01:21:43,773 were conditioned to. 1371 01:21:45,108 --> 01:21:48,945 In my younger years, we spoke in a language of violence. 1372 01:21:50,238 --> 01:21:53,158 Not too many people bring nonsense to you when they 1373 01:21:53,241 --> 01:21:56,369 know that there's gonna be a swift, violent reaction. 1374 01:21:58,914 --> 01:22:01,291 Maybe I'm going about things all wrong. 1375 01:22:04,169 --> 01:22:07,964 Maybe it's going to take a whole lot of bloodshed 1376 01:22:08,048 --> 01:22:10,467 for people to say, 'Hold on, this gotta stop,' 1377 01:22:11,468 --> 01:22:13,136 and really intervene. 1378 01:22:23,855 --> 01:22:26,775 It's been almost three years since Stevie died. 1379 01:22:28,944 --> 01:22:30,654 We finally have a meeting 1380 01:22:30,737 --> 01:22:32,948 with the Attorney General Steve Marshall's office 1381 01:22:34,032 --> 01:22:36,242 to let us know if they're going to press charges 1382 01:22:36,326 --> 01:22:38,620 against the people that killed Stevie. 1383 01:22:40,664 --> 01:22:43,917 I want to hear how they can explain stomping him. 1384 01:22:45,585 --> 01:22:47,045 How that's not murder. 1385 01:22:48,505 --> 01:22:52,175 How he deserved that. You know? 1386 01:22:52,717 --> 01:22:56,221 Tell me how he deserved being stomped to death. 1387 01:22:58,473 --> 01:23:00,809 It's the cruelty of it all. 1388 01:23:13,446 --> 01:23:15,031 They all met with me. 1389 01:23:15,573 --> 01:23:17,575 They said they're not filing charges. 1390 01:23:17,951 --> 01:23:20,620 Point blank. It's over. He said they're not filing charges. 1391 01:23:20,704 --> 01:23:23,081 He did explain to me how they... 1392 01:23:24,207 --> 01:23:25,333 Hang on... 1393 01:23:26,042 --> 01:23:27,168 How they, uh... 1394 01:23:31,673 --> 01:23:33,425 How they... 1395 01:23:36,344 --> 01:23:37,721 I need air. 1396 01:23:38,638 --> 01:23:39,931 How they... 1397 01:23:42,434 --> 01:23:44,310 How they investigated. 1398 01:23:44,394 --> 01:23:47,856 They told me the story, from their view, 1399 01:23:48,982 --> 01:23:50,608 with their investigators. 1400 01:23:50,692 --> 01:23:52,610 They told me why he died. 1401 01:23:56,990 --> 01:23:59,117 Stevie was attacking them to kill them, 1402 01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:00,952 so they had to kill him. 1403 01:24:01,036 --> 01:24:02,454 There's a law 1404 01:24:02,537 --> 01:24:04,289 that if someone's trying to kill you 1405 01:24:04,372 --> 01:24:07,751 and you kill them back, you kill them, 1406 01:24:07,834 --> 01:24:09,502 it's a Stand Your Ground law. 1407 01:24:09,586 --> 01:24:11,921 He says Alabama has a Stand Your Ground law 1408 01:24:12,005 --> 01:24:14,632 that we adopted from Florida. 1409 01:24:18,136 --> 01:24:20,180 They told me the whole horrible story. 1410 01:24:22,307 --> 01:24:24,726 What they say happened. 1411 01:24:54,923 --> 01:24:58,676 I'm still having surgeries and procedures on my eye. 1412 01:25:01,012 --> 01:25:02,931 It look good though, cosmetically. 1413 01:25:03,014 --> 01:25:06,392 But it's blurred where it ripped, bunch of scar tissue over it. 1414 01:25:08,853 --> 01:25:10,063 It's been humbling... 1415 01:25:11,856 --> 01:25:13,483 I've read and wrote 1416 01:25:13,983 --> 01:25:16,528 for almost 30 years. That's been all I've done. 1417 01:25:17,695 --> 01:25:19,531 Now I have to learn to 1418 01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:22,117 do all that with one eye. 1419 01:25:23,618 --> 01:25:25,703 It was one of the biggest struggles of my life 1420 01:25:26,913 --> 01:25:29,124 to maintain my sanity and 1421 01:25:29,207 --> 01:25:31,167 peace of mind and my outlook on life 1422 01:25:31,876 --> 01:25:33,920 without taking a detour and going 1423 01:25:34,003 --> 01:25:35,505 a completely different route 1424 01:25:36,172 --> 01:25:38,633 with my anger and frustration. 1425 01:25:40,051 --> 01:25:41,886 But I got my mind right. 1426 01:25:46,599 --> 01:25:49,978 I'm on the phone with brothers at every institution. 1427 01:25:50,728 --> 01:25:51,729 Because 1428 01:25:51,813 --> 01:25:54,899 there are still more body bags leaving out of the ADOC 1429 01:25:54,983 --> 01:25:56,359 than people on parole, 1430 01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:58,444 a lot of brothers are starting to say, 1431 01:25:58,528 --> 01:26:00,029 'Well what are we gonna do about it?' 1432 01:26:04,826 --> 01:26:07,203 There are 11 participants 1433 01:26:07,287 --> 01:26:08,663 in the conference. 1434 01:26:09,831 --> 01:26:11,749 It's Kinetik. It's Robert Earl. 1435 01:26:12,167 --> 01:26:14,544 Robert Earl, good morning Robert Earl. 1436 01:26:14,627 --> 01:26:16,004 Can I say something? 1437 01:26:16,087 --> 01:26:18,506 If you search through history, there has been 1438 01:26:18,590 --> 01:26:20,967 no group of people that have won true freedom 1439 01:26:21,050 --> 01:26:22,385 without bloodshed. 1440 01:26:23,219 --> 01:26:25,763 Once they become violent, then you have a right 1441 01:26:25,847 --> 01:26:27,182 to defend your life. 1442 01:26:28,141 --> 01:26:29,934 Yeah, I know that's the most common 1443 01:26:30,018 --> 01:26:31,603 position we should take... 1444 01:26:31,686 --> 01:26:35,148 that we should stand up and defend ourselves at all costs. 1445 01:26:35,940 --> 01:26:38,484 But I don't think that it helps our cause. 1446 01:26:38,568 --> 01:26:39,569 Yeah. 1447 01:26:39,652 --> 01:26:42,488 I think we should make sure that things are 1448 01:26:42,572 --> 01:26:44,532 done in an intellectual way and not 1449 01:26:44,616 --> 01:26:46,034 a emotional way. 1450 01:26:46,117 --> 01:26:47,285 Okay. 1451 01:26:47,827 --> 01:26:50,163 Y'all really think that a peaceful protest 1452 01:26:50,246 --> 01:26:51,831 will change all the laws 1453 01:26:51,915 --> 01:26:53,917 without there being no type of violence? 1454 01:26:55,376 --> 01:26:57,337 When you look at the options -- 1455 01:26:57,420 --> 01:27:00,924 violent, non-violent, work strikes, boycott -- 1456 01:27:01,674 --> 01:27:04,010 what's the absolute best way 1457 01:27:04,093 --> 01:27:07,388 to hit the system where it's gonna hurt the most? 1458 01:27:07,931 --> 01:27:09,974 You hit them in the pocket, that hurt way more than 1459 01:27:10,058 --> 01:27:11,392 hitting them in the mouth. 1460 01:27:11,476 --> 01:27:12,477 Correct. 1461 01:27:13,353 --> 01:27:14,979 The only thing that's gonna work for us 1462 01:27:15,271 --> 01:27:17,398 is to stop the machine from running. 1463 01:27:17,482 --> 01:27:19,359 To stop producing goods. 1464 01:27:19,442 --> 01:27:20,860 Stop giving services. 1465 01:27:23,780 --> 01:27:26,783 We got a official copy of 1466 01:27:26,866 --> 01:27:29,327 everybody who actually works in the prison. 1467 01:27:30,161 --> 01:27:31,537 All three shifts. 1468 01:27:32,038 --> 01:27:33,289 To get them on board. 1469 01:27:34,707 --> 01:27:37,919 We've always understood that our labor 1470 01:27:38,002 --> 01:27:39,754 is what this is all about. 1471 01:27:47,971 --> 01:27:49,931 They give you a job. 1472 01:27:50,014 --> 01:27:53,101 It doesn't matter if the job is dangerous. 1473 01:27:53,184 --> 01:27:55,436 It doesn't matter if you're sick. 1474 01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:57,063 You can be written a disciplinary 1475 01:27:57,146 --> 01:27:58,856 for refusing to work 1476 01:27:59,899 --> 01:28:02,110 and placed in solitary confinement. 1477 01:28:03,569 --> 01:28:06,072 And it's not just prison jobs. 1478 01:28:07,031 --> 01:28:08,283 A lot of prisoners 1479 01:28:08,366 --> 01:28:11,911 are being leased out to corporations. 1480 01:28:13,246 --> 01:28:15,123 Or to do state work. 1481 01:28:16,833 --> 01:28:19,210 I work for the Department of Sanitation 1482 01:28:19,294 --> 01:28:21,129 every day in the communities. 1483 01:28:21,462 --> 01:28:23,339 And I only get paid $2 a day. 1484 01:28:24,716 --> 01:28:25,883 Downtown Montgomery, 1485 01:28:26,426 --> 01:28:27,927 they have inmates working there. 1486 01:28:29,095 --> 01:28:31,681 Even the Governor's Mansion, where Kay Ivey's at. 1487 01:28:37,395 --> 01:28:39,939 Kay Ivey being so afraid of prisoners 1488 01:28:40,023 --> 01:28:42,817 being so dangerous, and all the murderers 1489 01:28:42,900 --> 01:28:45,153 and rapists, you don't want them in your community. 1490 01:28:45,236 --> 01:28:46,446 Well, you got a group of them 1491 01:28:46,529 --> 01:28:49,157 that's walking around your mansion every day. 1492 01:28:56,164 --> 01:28:57,999 I have a clear record 1493 01:28:58,333 --> 01:29:01,127 and every time I go up for parole 1494 01:29:01,210 --> 01:29:02,587 they deny my parole. 1495 01:29:04,922 --> 01:29:08,051 They trust me to work in the community, 1496 01:29:08,676 --> 01:29:11,304 but they don't trust me to grant me parole 1497 01:29:12,096 --> 01:29:13,848 to get out and go home to my family. 1498 01:29:21,147 --> 01:29:22,982 In your mind, can people be 1499 01:29:23,066 --> 01:29:25,026 genuinely rehabilitated? 1500 01:29:26,319 --> 01:29:28,696 I don't know that I can speak to that specifically. 1501 01:29:28,780 --> 01:29:32,158 I mean, look, I think anybody can have a change of heart. 1502 01:29:32,241 --> 01:29:35,161 I'll say that. I think God can invade somebody. 1503 01:29:35,244 --> 01:29:37,789 I believe in the concept of grace. 1504 01:29:37,872 --> 01:29:41,000 But grace itself doesn't mean release from prison. 1505 01:29:41,084 --> 01:29:44,128 Grace means that you're relieved from the burden of your sin. 1506 01:29:47,507 --> 01:29:49,884 People in here are starting to see 1507 01:29:50,134 --> 01:29:52,929 that we have been thrown into a slave camp 1508 01:29:53,262 --> 01:29:56,641 where we're being told, 'You're gonna work for us for free 1509 01:29:56,724 --> 01:29:58,351 until you die.' 1510 01:30:00,311 --> 01:30:03,481 If they insist on running an unconstitutional prison 1511 01:30:04,649 --> 01:30:06,234 then they can run it themselves. 1512 01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:10,947 I wrote a couple things 1513 01:30:11,030 --> 01:30:12,657 to get people prepared, 1514 01:30:12,740 --> 01:30:15,034 letting them know what the shutdown is all about, 1515 01:30:15,118 --> 01:30:16,828 how to conduct yourself. 1516 01:30:18,121 --> 01:30:20,581 We're on this phone all day and night, you know, 1517 01:30:20,915 --> 01:30:23,501 talking to brothers at Fountain, at Ventress, 1518 01:30:23,584 --> 01:30:26,546 at Easterling, Staton, Donaldson, death row... 1519 01:30:27,380 --> 01:30:28,423 This is what it's about. 1520 01:30:28,506 --> 01:30:29,507 Right. 1521 01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:31,217 We can beat you not working for your ass. 1522 01:30:31,300 --> 01:30:32,510 We can beat you like that. 1523 01:30:33,261 --> 01:30:35,680 We can't get violent or get stupid, 1524 01:30:35,763 --> 01:30:38,558 so we just trying to show what's going on by striking. 1525 01:30:39,934 --> 01:30:42,728 We have a beautiful opportunity right here 1526 01:30:43,020 --> 01:30:46,315 to bring over 20,000 prisoners together 1527 01:30:47,150 --> 01:30:48,818 for a statewide shutdown. 1528 01:30:54,073 --> 01:30:55,741 This is to force Alabama 1529 01:30:55,825 --> 01:30:59,120 to address this humanitarian crisis right now. 1530 01:30:59,203 --> 01:31:03,166 Not when a judge rules on a lawsuit. Right now. 1531 01:31:03,249 --> 01:31:05,209 We dying right now. 1532 01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:21,559 Any work done by any incarcerated individual 1533 01:31:21,642 --> 01:31:26,272 is prohibited from this day forward. 1534 01:31:26,355 --> 01:31:28,316 Alabama inmates are on strike. 1535 01:31:28,399 --> 01:31:31,194 It is affecting every major prison facility in the state. 1536 01:31:31,277 --> 01:31:33,654 The unprecedented system-wide 1537 01:31:33,738 --> 01:31:36,949 worker stoppage sending a message to lawmakers. 1538 01:31:37,033 --> 01:31:39,744 Some are saying this protest has been a long time coming 1539 01:31:39,827 --> 01:31:41,621 after the U.S. Department of Justice's lawsuit 1540 01:31:41,704 --> 01:31:43,789 against Alabama over its prison conditions. 1541 01:31:43,873 --> 01:31:46,751 Inmates have refused to show up for work in the kitchen, 1542 01:31:46,834 --> 01:31:48,711 doing laundry, or anything else. 1543 01:31:53,049 --> 01:31:55,426 We have officially shut down. 1544 01:31:55,718 --> 01:31:57,470 The impossible, as they say. 1545 01:31:58,387 --> 01:31:59,388 What's up family? 1546 01:31:59,597 --> 01:32:01,974 Let me show you the energy up in this block. 1547 01:32:05,978 --> 01:32:07,271 Unity. 1548 01:32:07,563 --> 01:32:08,940 Real unity. 1549 01:32:10,983 --> 01:32:13,194 Black, white, Mexican, everybody. 1550 01:32:14,654 --> 01:32:15,988 We together up in here. 1551 01:32:18,115 --> 01:32:20,326 It's an undescribable peace. 1552 01:32:21,077 --> 01:32:23,788 People united behind a common cause. 1553 01:32:24,121 --> 01:32:25,831 And we praying... 1554 01:32:25,915 --> 01:32:29,335 I got Jesus on my mind 1555 01:32:29,418 --> 01:32:31,587 In truth, yeah, we praying 1556 01:32:31,671 --> 01:32:34,840 I got Jesus on my mind 1557 01:32:35,049 --> 01:32:37,009 It's a stone-cold groove right now. 1558 01:32:37,385 --> 01:32:38,928 It's a stone-cold groove. 1559 01:32:40,846 --> 01:32:42,807 Fourteen prisons go down, 1560 01:32:43,015 --> 01:32:44,725 that's never happened before. 1561 01:32:45,768 --> 01:32:47,853 Inmates in Alabama are demanding 1562 01:32:47,937 --> 01:32:50,231 the U.S. Justice Department intervene 1563 01:32:50,314 --> 01:32:52,149 and put an immediate stop to, 1564 01:32:52,233 --> 01:32:54,610 quote, Alabama's systematic denial 1565 01:32:54,694 --> 01:32:56,195 of human and dignity rights. 1566 01:32:56,779 --> 01:32:58,906 The Governor's Office said that the demands 1567 01:32:58,990 --> 01:33:00,199 are, quote, unreasonable. 1568 01:33:01,075 --> 01:33:04,996 As far as the demands, they were reasonable. 1569 01:33:05,079 --> 01:33:08,499 It wasn't, "Let me go or I'm gonna kill somebody." 1570 01:33:08,583 --> 01:33:10,209 It was just, "Here are some things 1571 01:33:10,293 --> 01:33:11,836 that we'd like you to look at. 1572 01:33:11,919 --> 01:33:13,963 And we're protesting because of that." 1573 01:33:16,007 --> 01:33:17,717 The governor of Alabama has 1574 01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:19,260 not responded to 1575 01:33:19,343 --> 01:33:21,762 over 100 some people being murdered, 1576 01:33:21,846 --> 01:33:24,390 suicides, drug overdoses, 1577 01:33:24,599 --> 01:33:26,392 in the last year alone. 1578 01:33:26,684 --> 01:33:29,228 But the Governor had to respond to us on Day One. 1579 01:33:29,729 --> 01:33:30,938 It gets people to understand, 1580 01:33:31,022 --> 01:33:32,732 you know, their own power. 1581 01:33:36,152 --> 01:33:38,279 We know the injustices and the corruption 1582 01:33:38,362 --> 01:33:40,781 that's going on in the Department of Corrections. 1583 01:33:40,865 --> 01:33:43,367 Today in Montgomery, family members rallied 1584 01:33:43,451 --> 01:33:46,037 on behalf of inmates, saying they won't be working 1585 01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:48,039 until the Alabama Department of Corrections 1586 01:33:48,122 --> 01:33:50,541 makes changes and improvements. 1587 01:33:50,791 --> 01:33:53,210 They beat up Robert Earl Council. 1588 01:33:53,294 --> 01:33:54,670 They locked up Melvin Ray. 1589 01:33:55,421 --> 01:33:58,924 But the Free Alabama Movement is what pushed this. 1590 01:34:06,265 --> 01:34:08,184 Listen man, everybody listen to me man. 1591 01:34:08,351 --> 01:34:10,645 The momentum is on our side. 1592 01:34:10,728 --> 01:34:12,813 The media on our side. 1593 01:34:12,897 --> 01:34:14,940 Everybody watching everything. 1594 01:34:15,024 --> 01:34:17,568 No violence, no threats, no harm... 1595 01:34:17,985 --> 01:34:20,488 We just got to stay the course. Keep it steady. 1596 01:34:21,739 --> 01:34:23,824 We stand in solidarity for this strike 1597 01:34:24,033 --> 01:34:25,326 and this shutdown. 1598 01:34:29,246 --> 01:34:31,207 ADOC officials scrambling 1599 01:34:31,290 --> 01:34:33,542 to come up with a plan to manage operations 1600 01:34:33,626 --> 01:34:35,544 if inmates refuse to work. 1601 01:34:40,216 --> 01:34:43,094 Your conference will begin momentarily. 1602 01:34:45,763 --> 01:34:47,056 Robert Earl! 1603 01:34:47,431 --> 01:34:49,558 You know what they fed them for dinner? 1604 01:34:49,975 --> 01:34:52,478 One pack of chocolate cream cookies. 1605 01:34:53,854 --> 01:34:57,108 No lunch at Fountain, man. Repeat, no lunch at Fountain. 1606 01:34:57,942 --> 01:34:59,360 Was that all they gave? 1607 01:34:59,652 --> 01:35:00,945 That's all they gave for us? 1608 01:35:01,404 --> 01:35:02,780 All they gave us, bro. 1609 01:35:04,073 --> 01:35:05,825 They've started 'birdfeeding' 1610 01:35:05,991 --> 01:35:08,494 in order to try to starve us into submission. 1611 01:35:09,495 --> 01:35:12,873 ADOC says the changes are logistical, 1612 01:35:12,957 --> 01:35:15,793 but a correctional officer who spoke with us off camera, 1613 01:35:15,876 --> 01:35:18,713 fearing retaliation, believes that administrators 1614 01:35:18,796 --> 01:35:21,841 are intentionally dragging out the feeding schedules 1615 01:35:21,924 --> 01:35:23,718 so at times, inmates are waiting 1616 01:35:23,801 --> 01:35:26,011 up to 14 hours between meals, 1617 01:35:26,095 --> 01:35:27,722 as a way to break this strike here. 1618 01:35:29,432 --> 01:35:30,850 We've been saving up food 1619 01:35:30,933 --> 01:35:32,643 for the folks that might need some food. 1620 01:35:34,395 --> 01:35:36,439 So that folks know that they're not in this alone, 1621 01:35:36,522 --> 01:35:37,773 we're all in this together. 1622 01:35:40,276 --> 01:35:41,485 These are all elderly people. 1623 01:35:41,569 --> 01:35:44,363 People that been in prison 20 years. 1624 01:35:44,780 --> 01:35:46,866 - I did 37. 37 years. 1625 01:35:46,949 --> 01:35:48,367 He did 26 years. 1626 01:35:50,119 --> 01:35:54,165 Older guys... so we do the best we can. 1627 01:35:57,042 --> 01:35:59,253 We're going to feed the whole community up in here. 1628 01:35:59,670 --> 01:36:01,464 The superior Black man, 1629 01:36:01,547 --> 01:36:03,924 as well as the white man, is being fed. 1630 01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:07,887 Look at them brothers down there serving. 1631 01:36:08,512 --> 01:36:10,389 Everybody lined up to eat. 1632 01:36:11,474 --> 01:36:13,017 We gotta come together and unify. 1633 01:36:13,100 --> 01:36:14,602 Gotta look out for each other. 1634 01:36:15,394 --> 01:36:16,979 It's the only way we win. 1635 01:36:24,195 --> 01:36:25,321 Day three no chow. 1636 01:36:25,404 --> 01:36:26,405 Day Four! 1637 01:36:26,489 --> 01:36:28,324 Day Four, yeah it is Day Four. 1638 01:36:30,242 --> 01:36:31,786 Weekend visitations at prisons 1639 01:36:31,869 --> 01:36:34,580 all across Alabama are canceled. 1640 01:36:34,663 --> 01:36:36,791 The administrators are trying to put the pressure 1641 01:36:36,874 --> 01:36:40,002 on some of the inmates to make them go back to work. 1642 01:36:41,337 --> 01:36:43,422 They came to my cell, 1643 01:36:44,173 --> 01:36:46,175 I submitted to their strip search. 1644 01:36:47,009 --> 01:36:49,887 I said, 'Can y'all run this prison with the staff y'all got?' 1645 01:36:49,970 --> 01:36:51,722 He said, 'Man, you know we can't.' 1646 01:36:52,515 --> 01:36:54,850 I said, 'Why don't y'all tell the truth?' 1647 01:36:55,309 --> 01:36:58,062 'Why y'all keep pretending 'cause they give y'all a check?' 1648 01:37:02,691 --> 01:37:06,821 Day five of the Alabama Department of Corrections protest continues. 1649 01:37:06,904 --> 01:37:08,322 Special response team 1650 01:37:08,405 --> 01:37:09,865 is actually inside Limestone 1651 01:37:09,949 --> 01:37:11,492 right now doing a major search. 1652 01:37:13,452 --> 01:37:16,497 The team is traveling to each of the prisons. 1653 01:37:19,208 --> 01:37:20,584 They're doing what any 1654 01:37:20,668 --> 01:37:22,962 counter-intelligence agency would do. 1655 01:37:25,256 --> 01:37:28,300 Man, as we speak, they locking dudes up everywhere. 1656 01:37:30,469 --> 01:37:32,137 Let me explain something to y'all. 1657 01:37:32,221 --> 01:37:35,641 Alabama is the most arrogant people on the planet. 1658 01:37:36,016 --> 01:37:37,184 And they're gonna whip us, 1659 01:37:37,268 --> 01:37:39,395 'cause they refuse to let some prisoners 1660 01:37:39,478 --> 01:37:41,272 make them do anything. 1661 01:37:41,355 --> 01:37:42,565 But I promise you 1662 01:37:42,648 --> 01:37:45,568 that the money that they're losing every motherfucking day 1663 01:37:45,651 --> 01:37:48,404 is way more than what Kay Ivey's let on. 1664 01:37:53,534 --> 01:37:55,536 They just locked Robert Earl up. 1665 01:37:55,744 --> 01:37:58,330 They say the riot team choked him out. 1666 01:37:58,664 --> 01:38:00,624 Let everybody know what's going on. 1667 01:38:12,636 --> 01:38:15,014 We're starting to lose a bit of faith 1668 01:38:15,097 --> 01:38:17,474 because we feel like the voice that represented 1669 01:38:17,558 --> 01:38:21,228 a majority of us on the inside has been separated from us. 1670 01:38:21,645 --> 01:38:24,773 That's the oldest trick and tactic known to man... 1671 01:38:24,940 --> 01:38:26,150 divide and conquer. 1672 01:38:26,567 --> 01:38:28,777 But now is not a time that we can give up. 1673 01:38:28,861 --> 01:38:31,280 Now is not a time that we can say, 'I quit.' 1674 01:38:38,037 --> 01:38:40,247 Live and local, Talk 99.5. 1675 01:38:40,331 --> 01:38:42,875 Alabama prisoners are refusing to work. 1676 01:38:42,958 --> 01:38:44,960 Eventually, they'll get tired of the food 1677 01:38:45,044 --> 01:38:47,171 that is being prepared by the handful of employees, 1678 01:38:47,755 --> 01:38:49,924 - and they'll get back to work. - Yeah. 1679 01:38:50,007 --> 01:38:51,467 You're not in any position 1680 01:38:51,550 --> 01:38:54,219 to make any demands. You're in prison. 1681 01:38:55,095 --> 01:38:58,057 Continue to serve the meals, continue to do the laundry. 1682 01:38:58,140 --> 01:38:59,475 Look down at your legs. 1683 01:38:59,558 --> 01:39:01,393 Are there shackles? Not really in a position 1684 01:39:01,477 --> 01:39:03,312 to do anything about it. Sorry about that. 1685 01:39:06,023 --> 01:39:08,651 It's now week two of the Alabama state prison 1686 01:39:08,734 --> 01:39:10,110 inmate work strike. 1687 01:39:10,945 --> 01:39:12,988 Everything's still operational. 1688 01:39:13,072 --> 01:39:15,449 There's no disruption in essential services. 1689 01:39:19,244 --> 01:39:20,996 They starving us out. 1690 01:39:22,373 --> 01:39:24,041 We dead hungry and it's for real. 1691 01:39:25,793 --> 01:39:28,587 A hungry man is a dangerous man. 1692 01:39:29,213 --> 01:39:30,756 And it makes you dangerous. 1693 01:39:31,465 --> 01:39:33,133 Because it makes us desperate. 1694 01:39:36,261 --> 01:39:37,638 They know what they're doing. 1695 01:39:38,472 --> 01:39:40,265 They turning us against each other. 1696 01:39:41,475 --> 01:39:43,894 Everybody attitude on the edge. 1697 01:39:45,604 --> 01:39:48,732 We in here nasty, dudes trying to wash their clothes 1698 01:39:48,816 --> 01:39:50,484 like a Third World country. 1699 01:39:52,069 --> 01:39:54,488 And then they got mental health outpatients 1700 01:39:54,571 --> 01:39:57,491 out here in the population with the regular inmates. 1701 01:39:58,117 --> 01:39:59,868 And they don't understand nothing. 1702 01:40:00,285 --> 01:40:02,871 They don't want to hear nothing about no shutting down. 1703 01:40:04,123 --> 01:40:06,250 So we got to be careful with them 1704 01:40:06,333 --> 01:40:09,461 and make sure that they don't get hurt or hurt somebody. 1705 01:40:10,671 --> 01:40:12,673 I'm told by current staff members 1706 01:40:12,756 --> 01:40:14,299 things have stayed pretty nonviolent 1707 01:40:14,383 --> 01:40:15,843 inside these prison walls. 1708 01:40:15,926 --> 01:40:18,721 But they say that this just cannot keep going 1709 01:40:18,804 --> 01:40:20,139 the way it is right now. 1710 01:40:20,222 --> 01:40:22,516 There's just too much stress on this system 1711 01:40:22,599 --> 01:40:25,728 without the inmates helping out and doing those jobs. 1712 01:40:32,526 --> 01:40:33,861 Hold on for a minute. 1713 01:40:35,904 --> 01:40:37,239 See this... 1714 01:40:40,701 --> 01:40:41,702 You know, 1715 01:40:42,077 --> 01:40:44,455 ever since Robert Earl is out of contact, 1716 01:40:45,789 --> 01:40:48,584 we ain't been organizing as a unit for real. 1717 01:40:50,085 --> 01:40:53,505 He know how to inspire people to have us all working as a group. 1718 01:40:54,965 --> 01:40:56,717 Calling all the prisons, 1719 01:40:56,925 --> 01:40:59,553 connecting different people together that can make it happen. 1720 01:41:02,014 --> 01:41:03,724 No, I have no clue where he went. 1721 01:41:08,020 --> 01:41:09,229 I just called Fountain and 1722 01:41:09,313 --> 01:41:11,148 dudes' gonna tell me, 'I'm tired of this shit.' 1723 01:41:11,482 --> 01:41:13,484 What you mean you tired of this shit? 1724 01:41:13,567 --> 01:41:15,569 You should be tired of getting mistreated. 1725 01:41:16,028 --> 01:41:17,946 You get hungry? So fucking what. 1726 01:41:18,030 --> 01:41:21,784 The object of this Movement is sacrifice. 1727 01:41:25,913 --> 01:41:27,915 Somewhere between 20 and 30 people 1728 01:41:27,998 --> 01:41:29,291 broke the picket line. 1729 01:41:29,875 --> 01:41:31,752 I swear to God, that shit's so embarrassing 1730 01:41:31,835 --> 01:41:33,712 for dudes to fold up like that. 1731 01:41:33,796 --> 01:41:36,298 I apologize and I'll never fold. 1732 01:41:37,216 --> 01:41:38,801 Work stoppage is slowing down, 1733 01:41:38,884 --> 01:41:40,552 with inmates at only a handful of prisons 1734 01:41:40,636 --> 01:41:42,221 continuing their protest. 1735 01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:45,516 If we don't go through with this, 1736 01:41:45,599 --> 01:41:46,975 then five, ten years from now, 1737 01:41:47,059 --> 01:41:49,311 we'll still have the same foot up our ass. 1738 01:41:50,145 --> 01:41:52,314 I don't want us to give up. 1739 01:41:52,397 --> 01:41:54,775 I want us to do whatever we need to do. 1740 01:42:05,786 --> 01:42:07,621 Work stoppage by inmates 1741 01:42:07,704 --> 01:42:10,124 at Alabama prisons is fading. 1742 01:42:10,207 --> 01:42:12,501 There are now just five lockups affected. 1743 01:42:13,585 --> 01:42:15,129 Man, these dudes folded. 1744 01:42:15,754 --> 01:42:17,131 They went back to work. 1745 01:42:17,214 --> 01:42:19,174 Laundry workers, kitchen workers... 1746 01:42:21,593 --> 01:42:22,970 State prison officials say 1747 01:42:23,053 --> 01:42:24,221 only two facilities 1748 01:42:24,304 --> 01:42:26,306 are now experiencing stoppages. 1749 01:42:47,077 --> 01:42:49,746 I want people to understand, I got something to say. 1750 01:42:50,539 --> 01:42:52,332 That y'all got something to say. 1751 01:42:53,041 --> 01:42:55,836 Quit playing with all these little urges and cravings. 1752 01:42:56,336 --> 01:42:58,422 You can't go a day without a full meal, 1753 01:42:58,755 --> 01:43:01,049 but you can go 20 years without your family? 1754 01:43:02,092 --> 01:43:05,012 They break every rule, they lock anybody up, 1755 01:43:05,095 --> 01:43:06,096 targeting people, 1756 01:43:06,180 --> 01:43:08,682 whatever, just 'Get them back on the plantation.' 1757 01:43:10,058 --> 01:43:11,351 An entire state 1758 01:43:11,435 --> 01:43:14,980 has disregarded the well-being and the health and the safety 1759 01:43:15,272 --> 01:43:16,773 of thousands of people. 1760 01:43:17,149 --> 01:43:18,942 There is no accountability. 1761 01:43:19,568 --> 01:43:21,737 But everybody around here waiting on -- 1762 01:43:21,820 --> 01:43:23,488 'When y'all gonna go back to work?' 1763 01:43:33,874 --> 01:43:35,709 Prison operations are back to normal 1764 01:43:35,792 --> 01:43:38,170 after a three-week-long inmate protest. 1765 01:43:38,754 --> 01:43:41,131 Inmates had hoped their protest 1766 01:43:41,215 --> 01:43:43,884 would spur some action by lawmakers and ADOC leaders. 1767 01:43:43,967 --> 01:43:45,219 But that didn't really happen. 1768 01:43:46,261 --> 01:43:47,679 You are a prisoner. 1769 01:43:47,763 --> 01:43:49,097 You did commit a crime. 1770 01:43:49,181 --> 01:43:50,849 You're in prison. It's prison. 1771 01:43:50,933 --> 01:43:52,309 It's supposed to suck. 1772 01:43:52,392 --> 01:43:54,144 Shipshape. Let's go. Chop, chop. 1773 01:43:54,228 --> 01:43:56,063 You sure showed the man. 1774 01:43:56,146 --> 01:43:57,439 Well done. 1775 01:43:59,733 --> 01:44:03,528 We've seen it on the news. We've seen the national coverage. 1776 01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:07,157 Where the people of Alabama at? 1777 01:44:08,492 --> 01:44:10,494 They ain't outraged by this? 1778 01:44:32,766 --> 01:44:35,602 It's Inauguration Day in Alabama. 1779 01:44:35,686 --> 01:44:38,355 Steve Marshall with his family there with him. 1780 01:44:39,398 --> 01:44:42,985 Gov. Kay Ivey will officially be sworn into office. 1781 01:44:43,860 --> 01:44:46,113 A landslide victory for Kay Ivey, 1782 01:44:46,196 --> 01:44:48,365 galvanizing her two terms here 1783 01:44:48,448 --> 01:44:50,784 as governor in the state of Alabama. 1784 01:44:52,035 --> 01:44:54,454 The primary function of all levels of government 1785 01:44:54,538 --> 01:44:56,873 is to keep our citizens safe. 1786 01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:01,086 Just last week, I signed an executive order 1787 01:45:01,169 --> 01:45:04,548 to ensure violent criminals remain off the streets. 1788 01:45:08,051 --> 01:45:10,971 I was really, really optimistic during the strike. 1789 01:45:12,806 --> 01:45:14,391 Maybe naive thinking that 1790 01:45:15,225 --> 01:45:17,102 it would force the DOJ to 1791 01:45:17,686 --> 01:45:19,354 take over the prison system. 1792 01:45:20,605 --> 01:45:23,525 And start the process of trying to rectify 1793 01:45:23,608 --> 01:45:25,527 some of these things that were wrong. 1794 01:45:27,779 --> 01:45:30,157 It's easy to justify doing a lot of bad things 1795 01:45:30,240 --> 01:45:31,408 if the money right. 1796 01:45:33,035 --> 01:45:37,080 The state of Alabama continue to thrive on the bodies of 1797 01:45:37,456 --> 01:45:39,708 Black, brown, and poor white people. 1798 01:45:40,751 --> 01:45:43,295 The institution of slavery is real. 1799 01:45:45,130 --> 01:45:46,965 You can change the name of it 1800 01:45:47,049 --> 01:45:49,885 but the undergirdings of it are the same. 1801 01:45:50,635 --> 01:45:52,471 Exploitation. 1802 01:45:52,554 --> 01:45:55,182 And they're getting rich all the way to the bank. 1803 01:45:55,265 --> 01:45:57,309 And they're laughing at us who are talking 1804 01:45:57,392 --> 01:45:59,436 about truth and justice. 1805 01:46:10,030 --> 01:46:12,574 Everyone who is here is standing 1806 01:46:12,657 --> 01:46:15,911 with the family members that we have lost 1807 01:46:15,994 --> 01:46:17,454 in Alabama's prisons. 1808 01:46:24,169 --> 01:46:25,754 These inhumanities... 1809 01:46:26,713 --> 01:46:28,173 they're not just in Alabama. 1810 01:46:31,510 --> 01:46:32,803 Since the strike, 1811 01:46:33,303 --> 01:46:34,638 we've been hearing from brothers 1812 01:46:34,721 --> 01:46:36,640 from states all across the country. 1813 01:46:37,766 --> 01:46:41,937 This is E.M.C.F., correctional facility. 1814 01:46:42,020 --> 01:46:44,231 The Louisiana State Prison in Angola. 1815 01:46:45,440 --> 01:46:47,901 What's up, man. We need y'all's help, man. 1816 01:46:48,985 --> 01:46:50,862 Let me be clear when I tell you 1817 01:46:50,946 --> 01:46:54,116 that the things that you see taking place in Alabama 1818 01:46:54,199 --> 01:46:57,411 and worse are taking place in your state, 1819 01:46:57,494 --> 01:46:59,121 and in your name. 1820 01:47:08,839 --> 01:47:10,966 It's not beneficial to anyone. 1821 01:47:11,049 --> 01:47:13,301 Not to the jailer, 1822 01:47:13,885 --> 01:47:15,762 not to the people who were harmed, 1823 01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:18,140 not to society. 1824 01:47:20,642 --> 01:47:23,687 No one benefits from this version 1825 01:47:23,770 --> 01:47:25,647 of what they call "justice." 1826 01:47:27,023 --> 01:47:28,984 We all ask you guys to help us 1827 01:47:29,067 --> 01:47:30,318 push for prison reform. 1828 01:47:31,987 --> 01:47:33,738 They might try to put me in 'the hole' 1829 01:47:33,822 --> 01:47:35,365 but share this shit, 1830 01:47:35,449 --> 01:47:36,992 spread this shit. 1831 01:47:39,661 --> 01:47:42,164 Whatever your opinion is about this film, 1832 01:47:43,290 --> 01:47:45,667 it would not have been possible 1833 01:47:45,750 --> 01:47:50,839 if we didn't violate the rules to get the story out. 1834 01:47:52,674 --> 01:47:54,384 And because of that 1835 01:47:54,759 --> 01:47:56,178 you're able to see 1836 01:47:56,470 --> 01:47:58,805 the truth about a reality 1837 01:47:58,889 --> 01:48:00,932 that they're gonna tell you doesn't exist. 1838 01:48:05,312 --> 01:48:07,731 I've had enough experiences 1839 01:48:07,814 --> 01:48:09,566 throughout this struggle to know 1840 01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:12,569 it's going to take a lot of soul-searching 1841 01:48:13,236 --> 01:48:15,322 to change the mentalities of 1842 01:48:15,405 --> 01:48:17,532 300 and something million people. 1843 01:48:19,784 --> 01:48:22,120 A person does the same thing over and over 1844 01:48:22,204 --> 01:48:23,747 expecting different results, 1845 01:48:24,372 --> 01:48:25,499 it's insanity. 1846 01:48:26,583 --> 01:48:27,584 But 1847 01:48:28,126 --> 01:48:31,129 I believe in what we're doing, so 1848 01:48:32,047 --> 01:48:33,548 maybe I'm insane. 1849 01:48:38,136 --> 01:48:40,722 Let's just see what it look like out there. 1850 01:48:42,682 --> 01:48:45,769 The light coming through like the light of truth. 1851 01:48:54,736 --> 01:48:55,737 Come here, kitty. 1852 01:49:09,960 --> 01:49:11,670 Do you know who this is? 1853 01:49:12,629 --> 01:49:13,880 No. 1854 01:49:17,217 --> 01:49:18,635 No, I don't. 1855 01:49:22,681 --> 01:49:24,474 I don't. No. 1856 01:49:40,907 --> 01:49:42,242 Hey. 1857 01:49:42,325 --> 01:49:43,952 How are you? 1858 01:49:44,035 --> 01:49:47,080 Hey, I'm alive, shit, I guess that counts. 1859 01:50:00,385 --> 01:50:02,012 Hey, Papa Smooth. 1860 01:50:02,721 --> 01:50:04,139 This is Papa Smooth. 1861 01:50:04,222 --> 01:50:06,600 Papa Smooth, you don't want to be on no video, do you? 1862 01:50:09,811 --> 01:50:12,439 Now that's Papa Smooth, he really, really grouchy. 1863 01:50:28,830 --> 01:50:30,332 - Hold on. - Okay. 1864 01:50:30,415 --> 01:50:33,835 Hold on one second. Don't talk. Don't talk. 1865 01:50:47,682 --> 01:50:49,601 The cost of a new Alabama prison 1866 01:50:49,684 --> 01:50:52,312 is up to one billion dollars. 1867 01:50:53,480 --> 01:50:56,232 At this rate, the price of all three 1868 01:50:56,316 --> 01:50:59,527 of the new prisons could triple the original estimate. 1869 01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:02,572 Governor Kay Ivey is suggesting 1870 01:51:02,656 --> 01:51:05,200 state lawmakers use money from the education budget. 1871 01:51:06,201 --> 01:51:08,203 You're literally robbing our children 1872 01:51:08,286 --> 01:51:10,205 to pay for these new prisons. 1873 01:51:10,872 --> 01:51:12,916 And are you still supporting the $100 million 1874 01:51:12,999 --> 01:51:15,043 going to the prisons from the Education Fund? 1875 01:51:15,126 --> 01:51:16,127 Sure. 145509

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