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William Tompkins worked for US Navy
intelligence during the Second World
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was directly involved in debriefings by
Navy spies embedded in Nazi Germany's
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most advanced aerospace projects.
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Some of these Nazi projects involved
anti -gravity flying saucers that were
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capable of space flight.
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Tompkins' job was to design intelligence
briefing packets based on the Navy
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spies' debriefings and to then deliver
these packages to leading U .S.
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corporations, think tanks and
universities for study and evaluation.
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Tompkins' incredible story begins in
1941 when U .S. Naval Intelligence
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about his flawlessly designed models of
Navy ships he had seen at the Long Beach
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Naval Dockyards in California. He was 17
at the time.
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After the Navy learned about Tompkins'
model ships, which displayed top -secret
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details of gun placements and other
sensitive information, they interrogated
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both Tompkins and his father.
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When the Department of Naval
Intelligence realized Tompkins possessed
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ability to reproduce complex ship
designs using his photographic memory,
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quickly arranged for him to be recruited
in the Navy's service.
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Tompkins revealed that from 1942 to
1945, he participated in over a thousand
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debriefings of US Navy spies who had
been embedded in leading Nazi Germany
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aerospace corporations involved in
building flying saucers.
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Tompkins said that he served under
Admiral Rick Abada, who was in charge of
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intelligence operations out of the Naval
Air Station at San Diego, and three
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Navy captains who were specialists in
different areas of naval aircraft
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engineering and procurement.
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The following interview extract features
Tompkins answering questions from Dr.
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Robert Wood and myself on the
information he gained from the Navy
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the different corporations and think
tanks he traveled to, and some of the
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aerospace technologies that were being
secretly developed by the Nazis during
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the war.
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Tompkins begins the interview by
describing the small office where the
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debriefings of the Navy spies took place
at Naval Air Station San Diego.
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He had this little small office.
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He had a muscle office.
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And he was commander of Naval Air
Station San Diego.
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And so...
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The letter would be sitting here. I'm
sitting next to him, and we have one of
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three captain bosses sitting here.
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The typist was sitting on the other side
of the table, and the Navy operative,
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lieutenant commander, or lieutenant,
would sit over there.
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And he would lay out the information,
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some sketches.
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Very few photographs, so it was almost
all verbal.
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Almost all.
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And if it was a system that we had
already known about, other operatives
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given us information two years before,
and it was an update of it,
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he would then title all of the other
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organizations.
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that were involved with that specific
part of, say, the cigar -shaped
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And what the weapons were, what the
operations were,
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the different companies underneath the
ground, which were slave
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labor organizations.
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Well, I want to go back to this tape
with you and Rick.
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and the captain and the spy sitting at
the table, how many times
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did you get forward to events like that?
I mean, like within 10
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or like 1 ,000 or like 100?
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In four years, right?
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So 1 ,000, maybe 1 ,200.
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Well, that would be...
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That would be like every night for four
years.
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Yeah. So the nightly things? Right. It
was typically occurred
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way after that?
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Yeah.
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They would stay with us for maybe a
week. Then we tried to put together
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and better define this information.
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Okay.
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And then we'd put that together as a
package, and then we'd fly that out. So
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would be usually one source would give
his story. It might take two or three
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days for him to give it. Right, yeah.
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Okay. And then it'd be packaged up, and
then you'd take it away. Yeah.
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But I'm saying that this continued.
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I'm saying.
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I mean, yeah.
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But what I'm trying to do is to grasp
the overall goal of those, say, 300
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or 400 deliveries you made.
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Yeah. And some of this has to do with
the Nazi history.
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But did some of this also have to do
with, for example, the age regression?
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I mean, Nazi age regression as well as
Nazi employment.
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Well, most of it was the Nazi UFOs.
Okay.
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You're talking about what the Nazis were
doing in a military war.
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But it went to weapon systems.
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I mean, all types of advanced weapon
systems have all
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types of methods of war.
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Did you get exposed to the Hannibal
craft designs or anything like that at
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time?
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I'm exposed to making sketches of some
of the stuff that was actually there.
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Did you ever come across the term
honorable?
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The descriptions of various models of
German anti -gravity vehicles?
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Oh.
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Was that real?
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Did you ever come across a deal with the
designation?
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One, two, three?
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Yes, but I remember the stuff that we
got was the
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wording is in English.
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Okay.
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Some of the documents that we got, of
course, were in German.
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But we didn't get so much of the
documents.
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It was mostly verbal.
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And it was saying in his interpretation,
that was another thing, because I
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remember they had one of the guys to go
check so -and -so. I want you back over
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there. I want you back here next month.
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And then there's updates to the
information.
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And so some of the stuff that was in
German.
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We had another group of people who
converted it to English.
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And so you're working with information
that you don't
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have background on.
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And so what you're trying to do is put
enough of it together that,
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say, Lockheed can take that information
and develop it,
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interpret it.
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and come up with something that could
possibly be used.
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When I said that many, remember,
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I went back to all of these facilities,
sometimes six or seven times, with
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updated information that we got. Because
three years after they said it before,
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the whole thing is now, it's been
developed, and now it's this, this, and
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So do you remember what kind of material
you took to different places? In other
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words, JPL.
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Well, Caltech was called then, right?
Yeah. JPL.
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At JPL, would you take material relevant
to the UFO craft
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or the anti -gravity craft?
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Propulsion.
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Everything about propulsion, all
different types of propulsion, and stuff
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didn't, I had no idea what this was.
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And then controls, different types of
controls.
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Support systems.
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You can, almost any subject or any
question.
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Did you ever want to ask for some of
that information that we were getting?
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But some of the groups didn't get
everything.
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How? No group got everything.
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How?
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Smoked the word sick health at Douglas,
you know,
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MIT.
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Yeah. And then maybe Lockheed.
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Lockheed. Bowling North American.
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Bowling North American.
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Bowling Bowling. So there's seven or
eight different locations you made
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deliveries to.
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It's hundreds of different places we
took the data.
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Yeah. We took the data to every Navy
research organization.
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We took it to
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What little company?
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Revo Development Center, Old Minister,
Pennsylvania.
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Right. Okay. That's a big facility.
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I went 20 times back there with stuff.
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Oh, I see. Okay.
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And then the Caltech one, I didn't even
go to
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Pasadena for that.
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I went to...
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And it was a weapons system out at China
Lake.
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Because Caltech was working on other
programs, big programs there.
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And they would pull their scientists off
of whatever that was, and they'd throw
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these guys into that package and run
with the ball.
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It was, you know, some of them that I
went to.
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They wouldn't let me inseminate the
information.
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They were not interested.
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They didn't want to have a thing to do
with it.
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And I had that with several universities
who were doing military
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programs.
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Purdue wanted it?
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Yeah, Purdue was one. Yes.
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Yes.
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But what I'm saying is not everybody was
willing.
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to help the Navy.
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The Air Force, like Wright -Patterson?
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Yeah. Wright -Patterson as well? Yeah.
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A couple I had most didn't want that,
but we had our
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list of who we thought could help.
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But the point is, these were not.
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Document after document that you believe
them, you give them this information
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that has been verbally almost, very
little photograph, very little drawings,
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of a specific part of the propulsion or
a method of
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control. How do they control these
things?
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What is technical things?
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Yeah, all technical stuff, Bob.
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And I don't mind talking about this
because, frankly, I lived
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that thing for 30 years, and it
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was staggering.
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The German titles for stuff was
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a problem, so we had interpreters there.
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It would help us put the package
together to sabotage the Douglas.
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Okay?
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And so there's the misinterpretations
and the stuff is not done right. Oh,
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that's part of it.
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You don't get some nice good package.
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And so packages were taken to places
that were insufficient information.
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And they get all outside and upset with
me.
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I've got to go get this and that.
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But even though you were not trained
technically as an engineer for a
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you were exposed to a good deal of
technical information in the process.
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Yes. It was usually put in terms of
common language and common sense.
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And so you understood it? I understood
some of it, yes. Some of it I had no
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what he's talking about. And I have to
tell him that.
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In his autobiography, Selected by
Extraterrestrials, Tompkins has provided
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documents supporting his remarkable
claims, including a copy of his mission
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orders that verified that he was indeed
tasked to act as a disseminator of
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aircraft research and information.
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Tompkins also provided in his book
copies of passes to enter and leave the
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Air Station in San Diego with multiple
packages.
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This substantiates his claims that he
was carrying intelligence briefing
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to select US corporations and think
tanks.
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The Navy spies revealed many astonishing
facts to Tompkins and his superiors
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about the aerospace technologies being
developed in Nazi Germany.
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Among the most remarkable is the Nazis
were receiving assistance from an
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extraterrestrial race described as
reptilians, who were acting as
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various German aerospace projects.
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In an exclusive interview with XO News
TV conducted in San Diego on February
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25th, Tompkins for the first time
revealed publicly the role of reptilian
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extraterrestrials in Nazi projects.
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The following interview extract features
Tompkins answering questions from Dr.
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Robert Wood and myself.
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The fact that the Germans were given
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this information from the reptilians set
up the program, they signed the program
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to... support Germany, and they're
giving Germany
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UFOs. Did you have that fact in any of
the briefings that you delivered?
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Yes. There was?
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Yes.
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Did the Navy, for example, have it laid
out that there was a reptilian
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extraterrestrial species helping the
Germans?
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Say that again. I want to hear it. How
did the Navy Fives learn about reptilian
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extraterrestrials helping the Nazis?
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Did they see reptilians, or did they
read briefing documents?
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Did they appear to the chatter amongst
German scientists about reptilians? How
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did they learn about reptilians? Okay.
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Very good.
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or any separate classified meetings, get
-togethers, whatever.
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And they formed an organization a little
bit like signing this thing over here
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when we first started talking.
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Rough, okay?
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And OSS then interprets this
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into a whole series of different
programs.
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This then is disseminated through their
specific military
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communication, whether it's a major
effort or something that's just off on
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side. All of this is documented
together.
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Now, in addition to that, they had, if
you want to call them,
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consultants who are reptilian
consultants.
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assisting all of those different things
that it takes to design and build these
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spacecraft carriers and propulsion
systems.
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So this is an extremely
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well -developed program and documented
like
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crazy.
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And getting copies of the document was
hard for our
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spies, but
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this was a program in the upper level of
the SS.
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It was compartmentalized, too. Yeah, it
was completely compartmentalized, but it
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was well on there.
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who had to do the work, had no knowledge
at all of what it was for,
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and so they had to go do it.
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And so I guess it's a little bit like a
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company for manufacturing who has the
engineers do
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their effort.
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And then supplies are gained. You get
all the supplies to build it. And then
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have people build it.
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Only the very tip of the top have the
knowledge of what this thing is even
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And so that guy is working with a
reptilian.
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His group is working with reptilians.
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They are doing...
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They're making sure that the engineering
is engineered in a way to accomplish
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this thrust effort or this propulsion
system.
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So the Navy spies reported back on what
they had seen or whatever documents they
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had retrieved and that this was the
conclusion that the Greens had been
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with the Italians and that the Italians
were acting as consultants with some of
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the Nazi SS compartmentalized progress.
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Well, even more than that, one of the
packages that I got had a statement
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type thing that was, I don't know how he
got a hold of it, but it was not
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the original agreement between the two
countries or the extraterrestrials and
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Germany. But it alluded to this.
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And you don't have many of those around.
But there was this
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tremendous program which the
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operatives got into. There were
university
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-type facilities.
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Hundreds of thousands of even Russian
girls were brought in to these
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facilities, and certain
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groups of the
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troops would get them pregnant.
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And this program was then to come out
with massive numbers.
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The reason I'm saying this is because it
takes a long time to have a baby.
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So you're not planning to win the war
next week.
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But that part of their program was set
up and structured to
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parallel.
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a reptilian community battle group
program to
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go to other stars' planets and do the
same thing that Germany was going to do
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to Europe and then this planet.
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Which is, in other words, it wasn't just
taking over the
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United States and killing some Jewish
people.
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And then splitting it up. Doing it
throughout the galaxy.
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Yeah.
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So we catch the thing with way beyond
that. Again, what we just said about
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was the tip of the iceberg of what they
were doing. And already reptilians doing
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it to other stars, planets, all over
this area of the galaxy.
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I mean, these young kids, the
operatives.
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They couldn't believe half of what they
brought back of what was going on.
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But some of them were really good
people, and they know how to get into
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and listen to what's going on.
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And finally, from that guy that he
talked to, and they heard, he heard, and
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going to so -and -so, because, yes, they
were doing that over there. And he goes
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over to two countries away from a fog.
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Occupied country that have sold a
massive thing. Go on. Another part of
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They were even building boilerplate
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steel UFOs.
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200 foot.
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250 foot. Boilerplate steel.
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Which is insane.
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But this group said...
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group took the information that was
given to them, they didn't figure out it
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should be steel.
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It should not be steel.
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And the propulsion unit floated up
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just like it was further.
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And so that learning curve showed that
you can do these things all over
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using
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Totally different standard mathematical
or standard technical
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terms of the way you normally do it.
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And so thousands and thousands of
different engineering groups
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are working different aspects of all
this.
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Just one second. Some of them love the
vehicles. Others, they gave them
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the vehicle to...
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universe engineer.
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And so that they could become familiar
with everything from
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the inside out.
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And so that different people, different
organizations could handle this in
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different manners.
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I mean, it was a massive program. And
the mission was to take over the planet.
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Tear off all the ones that are a
problem. The rest of them make slaves
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them.
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Everybody on your planet.
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Then, second phase was to leave the
planet with large squadrons of
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UFOs after you've got them all built.
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And do the same thing to other stars and
planets.
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That's Germany.
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In the last episode, we learned about
Tompkins' astonishing claim that the
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were receiving assistance from an
extraterrestrial race described as
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who were acting as consultants in
various German aerospace projects.
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In this episode, we learned about how
the reptilians helped the Nazis locate
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large caverns in Antarctica which would
be used as bases for the Nazis' most
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advanced aerospace programs that were
being assisted by reptilian consultants.
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According to Tompkins, the U .S. Navy
learned from spies embedded in Nazi
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Germany that the Nazis used these hidden
Antarctic bases to launch space
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missions to the moon, other planets in
our solar system, and most remarkably,
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distant interstellar locations.
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The following interview extract features
Tompkins answering questions from Dr.
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Robert Wood and myself on Germany's
secret space program in Antarctica.
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The operatives found this data and they
brought it back to the admiral's
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secret office at the top of that
building. You can see the building from
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the ground, over north of that one.
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Really?
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These fellows were all over the occupied
area in Germany.
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And they found all of this equipment.
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They found the program for extended
life.
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That wasn't really an extended life. It
was a life program that the
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extraterrestrials were already doing.
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Yeah.
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And so it was no big deal at all.
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The move from Germany
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to Antarctica was in operation in
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1934, way before the war started.
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In fact, some of the stuff went down.
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In 1913,
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large portions of
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equipment were sent down there, but
right next to them were three tremendous
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-sized caverns, which the reptilians
had.
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Non -grazed reptilians.
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Germany got...
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Two more, but they were about a tenth
the size of the big reptilians.
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So they were able to bring the supplies
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down, mostly by submarine.
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They built these fat submarines as
regular clones that they built so they
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ship all this stuff down. And they were
shipping stuff down.
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Right after the turn of the century.
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I mean, whether they had convinced
themselves that
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they didn't care, whether they weren't
interested in the war, whoever it was,
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like the Vail Society, they had
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almost 90 % of everything that it takes
to build...
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extraterrestrial vehicles, whether they
were saucers or cigars.
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They had that down to Antarctica
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by 1932.
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Some of it was going down.
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And not the main programs, but they had
copies of everything that was
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necessary to build these. They were
building them in production.
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all over the occupied countries,
underground production facilities, slave
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And the Germans didn't know anything
about it. The German population didn't
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anything about this.
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It was all classified.
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Were they moving the weapons in Germany
or Canada?
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Well,
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the people in Germany knew nothing about
it. Antarctica knew everything.
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Where were the UFOs, anti -gravity
crafts being built?
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In Germany?
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They were the prototypes in Germany.
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There were three prototype vehicles,
okay,
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which is actually something ready for
production in
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Antarctica.
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They put this stuff in production in the
countries all over Germany, and they
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continued to build similar vehicles in
Antarctica.
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Now, the question was asked, did we ever
get to boom?
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We said, in some way, it was well known
that the
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Germans had numbers.
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of vehicles.
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They flew out and came back.
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One of the first ones, they got in
trouble and they crashed and the whole
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died.
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But that was almost all coming from
Antarctica.
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Because they were three years before the
war ended.
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They were always moving all this stuff
out.
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And so the flights, almost everything
came from Antarctica with the same
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During the war years, from Antarctica,
the Germans were watching the craft, and
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the moon was one of many destinations
they tried.
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Yes. And I don't know whether it was
true or not, but it was standard.
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by several of those stars, that they had
gone to several stars and come back.
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So that would be a kind of corroboration
that the so -called
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Andromeda device, which was basically
some principle of teleportation,
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was viable, that they were able to use
the Andromeda device to get to most
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stars, just the most older brown, and
then come back.
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In this episode, we learn about how the
Nazis used slave labour in their large
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caverns in Antarctica.
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In addition, according to Tompkins, the
US Navy learned from its spies embedded
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in Nazi Germany that the Italians had
also established the space program,
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was under the leadership of the famous
inventor, Giuliano Marconi, in South
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America.
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The following interview extract features
Tompkins answering questions from Dr
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Robert Wood and myself on Germany's use
of slave labour for its Antarctic space
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program and of its secret Italian space
program in South America.
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or labor force problem in Antarctica.
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You mentioned that they took, in the
book you mentioned they took 7 million
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people over there. What were they?
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Kind of like slave labor?
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Yes, slave labor. Do you know, were they
predominant for one, you know, like
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there were a lot of missing people in
Europe.
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Were they, you know, using Jews who were
highly trained, highly educated?
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They weren't taking the Jews, I
guarantee you.
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Yes,
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they were bringing people from all over.
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Many of the northern countries, Denmark,
Sweden, Norway, that's true.
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That was real close to the Germans.
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And what about the Japanese?
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There were some Japanese, and they did
work on vehicles.
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But that was always a problem because
they...
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I'll never work with him, but I know
that they had him there, too.
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Right.
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Were the Italians, the fascists, also
part of this Nazi space program in
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Antarctica?
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From Antarctica?
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Or in Europe, Europe and Antarctica.
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Mussolini?
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engineers, scientists, also helping the
math students develop the technology?
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Well, there was actually a completely
separate program from Hitler.
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You had the labor agreement, but then
there
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was one group who
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were tied with, and I can't remember.
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What's the girl's name?
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Maria Wilson.
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Maria Wilson. Yeah.
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We were working with her, okay?
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And it was a third.
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The SS was doing it. She started it, and
she started doing it.
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And then in Italy, there was a massive
one going.
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It was a merger. Miami had the regular
Italian Air Force.
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The one in Italy, was that headed by
Giuliano Marconi? Yes.
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Was that something that the Navy spies
actually were able to identify Marconi
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as? As an individual, yeah. In Italian?
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Yeah.
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There was a lot more.
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Italian stuff in companies where
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different people would be involved with
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different, like subcontractor kind of
stuff.
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And we had breakthroughs in
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different areas.
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I didn't know. Little.
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Exactly. That was separate from
Mussolini.
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Completely. Two different worlds.
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Was Marconi's Italian studies, was that
in any way associated
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with South America? There were rumors
that Marconi went to South America to
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continue or to work on the Italian
foreign sources program. I heard that,
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don't know for sure.
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When I heard that, yes.
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There was a lot of underground
facilities in South America, too.
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