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Hello and welcome to Global Eye,
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a programme that brings you
reporting and investigations
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from around the globe,
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made by teams from across
the BBC World Service.
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I'm Liza Fokht, the BBC Russian
correspondent here in Berlin,
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a city that's now a front line
in Europe's struggle
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against Russian aggression
and interference.
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German officials say there's been
an escalation in Russian spying
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and sabotage, and Germany's top
operational commander has warned
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Moscow now has the capacity
for a limited attack
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against Nato territory.
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I'll be examining Russia's
shadow war against the West
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and the very real threat that poses.
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Later in the programme,
as countries across Europe debate
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the reintroduction of
military conscription,
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we'll hear from the women
preparing for the front line.
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Now, we're going to take you
to the crossroads
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where Europe meets Asia -
to Georgia.
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Since emerging from
the collapsing Soviet Union
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as an independent state in 1991,
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Georgia is once again the arena
of conflicting interests.
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Last autumn, thousands of protesters
took to the streets of the capital,
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Tbilisi, to protest at what they
saw as the government's failure
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to advance talks to join
the European Union.
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Now, a BBC Eye investigation
has uncovered shocking evidence
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suggesting that the government used
a World War I era chemical weapon
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against its own citizens
during those demonstrations.
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Here's their report.
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It's November 2024
and protesters are being met
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by thousands of riot police...
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..backed up by five-tonne
water cannons.
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For a full week,
the cannons keep coming,
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up to eight times a night.
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SCREAMING
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Gela Khasaia, a political activist,
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has been at the forefront of many
anti-government protests for years.
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But this time, when faced
with the water cannons,
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he quickly realises there's
something different about them.
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Many demonstrators, like Gela,
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start experiencing
worrying symptoms - vomiting,
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shortness of breath,
skin irritation.
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Many are left wondering
what was being sprayed on them.
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And there's mounting pressure
on the authorities to release
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details of what is
in the water cannons.
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After being exposed
to the water cannons himself,
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paediatrician and activist
Konstantine Chakhunashvili has begun
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a medical investigation
to see if any symptoms
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have lasted longer than a month.
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The study involves nearly
350 protesters exposed to tear gas
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and the unknown chemical
in the water cannons.
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It's difficult to separate
the effects of these two measures,
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but 40% say they experienced
skin irritation like Gela,
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and that wasn't all.
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Two in three who had cough.
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One in two had shortness of breath.
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High blood pressure
was identified in 283 people.
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When someone comes up to you
and tells you
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that they have some type
of symptoms,
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that's an anecdotal evidence, right?
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So we were trying to collect
actual data that can be quantified,
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and we could see what type
of symptoms are there.
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SIREN WAILS
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EXPLOSION
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DISTANT SCREAMING
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Tamar Oniani
runs the Human Rights Abuse Unit
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at the Georgian Young
Lawyers Association.
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She and her team have been
documenting allegations of
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an unknown chemical
used at the protests.
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The information that
there could have been some
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sort of a mixture of the unknown
chemical irritants with the water
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came from the early days
of the protest.
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They've gathered testimonies
from over 100 protesters.
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Their evidence suggests that the
unknown chemical was being deployed
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throughout the first week
of the protests.
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There are thousands of people
who were targeted by
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the chemical irritant, unknown
chemical irritant to public.
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From the outset,
Tamar's organisation requests
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that the government releases
the name of the chemicals.
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The medical community, too,
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is alarmed and, at the same time,
writes a petition,
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demanding to be told
what is being used.
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No-one is getting answers.
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My role is to
investigate allegations
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of torture and other ill treatment,
wherever they may occur.
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Dr Alice Edwards has been closely
examining the situation in Georgia.
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This is not the military.
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This is in a civilian setting
where ordinary people
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are taking to the streets,
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and the state should be entirely
transparent about whether they are
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using water cannons infused
with different chemicals,
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as well as what those chemicals are.
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And that's not just
for a broader democratic
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and transparency
and legality reason,
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but it also allows individuals
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to take the decision about
their own health
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and whether they're going to be
in harm's way on the day.
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There's no explicit
international law
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to ban the use of chemicals
in water cannons,
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but it's not recommended. If used,
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the effects would have
to be temporary.
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Protests have been ongoing
for eight months...
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..and Konstantine
has just finished his study on
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the health impacts of exposure
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to chemicals used
in that first week.
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His suspicions are confirmed.
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Crucially, there have been some
long-term effects beyond 30 days
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for nearly half of the participants
in the study.
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In some cases,
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Konstantine notices changes
in the heart and lungs, too.
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We also identified that there was,
uh,
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enlarged T-waves,
which might be due to hypoxia,
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which means that heart
is receiving lack of oxygen,
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and changes
in the right atrium.
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We also identified
that in long-term effects,
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some people had vomiting, nausea
and shortness of breath as well.
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Konstantine's study
has been accepted
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for publication in an international
academic journal,
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but it hasn't identified the precise
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chemical compounds used
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in the water cannons.
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The authorities have always referred
to it only as "gas"
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or "other special measures".
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But we can reveal
for the first time,
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with the help of
a former police insider,
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the name and make-up
of the chemicals
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that we believe were used against
the protesters.
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Lasha Shergelashvili knows the
equipment used by the riot police
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better than most.
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He worked for the riot police
for more than 20 years
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and served as Head of Weaponry
until 2022.
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He's been following events closely.
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He says that some of
the water cannons used on
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the protestors were purchased
in 2009.
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At that time, he says,
he was asked to test
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a chemical mixture
for the water cannons,
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which then turned out to be
ten times stronger
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than regular tear gas.
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Lasha says he warned against
the use of these chemicals
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while he was in his post,
but his advice was ignored.
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He also says he stayed
in contact with former colleagues,
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who confirm that the same chemicals
were still being used
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in the protests of 2024.
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The BBC spoke to another
former high-ranking officer,
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who also said the riot police
continued
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to use the same chemicals
after Lasha left.
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The chemical numbers
don't tell you everything.
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So we asked
Professor Christopher Holstege
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to help us understand what they are.
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He's a world-leading expert
in toxicology and chemical weapons.
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The first chemical, a liquid,
is easily identified.
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UN 1710 is trichloroethylene,
or TCE.
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It's a solvent that helps
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other chemicals dissolve in water.
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So trichloroethylene is...
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It is certainly not a chemical
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that I want thrown out
to the masses during protests.
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Identifying the second compound,
the powder, is a tougher challenge.
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UN 3439 is a whole class
of chemicals.
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But after examining our evidence,
Konstantine's medical study,
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witness statements
and human rights reports,
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Professor Holstege and his colleague
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Dr Sandra Nixon
think they've narrowed it down.
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Camite, or CA,
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was first used as
a chemical weapon
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by French forces against
the Germans
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at the end of World War I.
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It was then briefly used
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by American police
as a riot-control agent,
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but soon abandoned
and replaced with safer options.
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Camite is markedly irritating,
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persistent with its irritation,
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potential for causing more problems
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with your lungs, coughing,
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for example, potentially pneumonias.
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Not clear even
if you drink some of this
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what kind of symptoms
you're going to have,
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gastrointestinal,
including vomiting.
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I think the question then comes,
why would you utilise it?
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And part of it is the persistence.
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It would keep people away
for a long time.
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They would have to go to
the hospital.
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They would have to leave the area.
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If that is indeed the case,
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that this chemical
has been brought back,
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that is actually
exceedingly dangerous.
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We showed our findings
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to the UN's
Special Rapporteur on Torture.
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The important point
at international law
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is that any effect
should be temporary.
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So longer-term problems,
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such as long-term respiratory issues
or related to heart conditions,
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all of those cases
should be investigated,
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including under the rubric
of torture or other ill-treatment.
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I would describe
the water cannons infused with
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different toxins
as entirely unnecessary.
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Given that it is poorly
regulated internationally,
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it does lead me to consider it
as an experimental weapon,
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and populations should never
be subjected to experiments.
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It's absolutely in violation
of human rights law.
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For a year now, night after night,
the streets
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of Tbilisi have been blocked
by protesters.
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And almost every evening,
Gela has been among them.
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But to many, it seems the country
is slipping into authoritarian rule.
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Germany and Russia have
a fascinating and complex history,
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tied together through cycles
of cooperation and conflict.
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After World War II,
the Soviet Union occupied
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East Germany for more than 40 years.
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And it's here that the Berlin Wall,
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dividing the city in two,
once stood.
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On this side of the wall,
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the Soviet-run
German Democratic Republic,
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or GDR, became an outpost
of Moscow's influence,
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with Soviet spies operating
in plain sight.
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Even though the Berlin Wall has
been gone for many years, the divide
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between East and West
is still very much alive.
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People in the two parts of Germany
often disagree with each other,
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including on Russia
and the war in Ukraine.
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It was 100 miles south of here,
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in an East German city of Dresden,
in the late 1980s,
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that a young KGB agent would spend
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five years honing his spycraft
in his first foreign posting.
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Vladimir Putin's schooling
in the former GDR
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underscores Russia's long-standing
reliance on espionage.
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And today, Moscow's deploying
even more sophisticated tactics.
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Germany has ramped up
counterintelligence operations
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after repeated warnings from NATO
that Moscow is using hybrid tactics,
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cyber warfare, propaganda
and covert operatives
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to destabilise European democracies.
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A critical part
of Moscow's arsenal is
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the deployment of drones
to target critical infrastructure,
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both from land and sea.
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In October, Munich Airport
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was forced
to suspend operations twice
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in 24 hours
after unidentified drone sightings.
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And authorities
in Belgium and Denmark
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have also reported mysterious
drone flights into their airspace,
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believed to have come from ships.
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EU member states
are deeply concerned, with
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the European Commission warning of
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an escalation
of tactics across Europe.
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You're not talking about front line
countries any more.
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You're not talking about
eastern flank countries any more.
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You're really talking about
the European Union as a whole.
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Germany has probably felt the impact
of Russia's invasion
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of Ukraine more than
almost any other country.
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A record number of Ukrainian
refugees fleeing the war came here.
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More than a million
now live in Germany,
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and tens of thousands have settled
here in Berlin.
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No war! No Putin!
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Over the past four years,
hundreds of anti-war Russians
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have also moved in
as their neighbours -
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people who left for Europe
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because they feared persecution
at home.
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And as the Kremlin stepped up
its crackdown on the opposition
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and independent journalism,
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Berlin turned into a home for many
who could no longer stay in Russia.
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The presence
of anti-war Russians here
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in Berlin is a reminder
that Germany isn't just
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a political battleground.
It's become a refuge
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for those resisting
Putin's stranglehold on power.
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And there are high-stakes diplomatic
strategies being played out.
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Berlin's Bridge of Spies
became famous during
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the Cold War as the location
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for prisoner swaps
between East and West.
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And in August 2024,
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Germany participated
in the biggest prisoner exchange
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since the Cold War as part
of a complex swap between Russia,
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the US and other Western nations.
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Moscow's main prize was the release
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of Vadim Krasikov, a colonel
in Russia's secret service
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sentenced to life in Germany
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for killing a Chechen dissident
in a Berlin park.
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His release was met with controversy
and debate here.
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That was a difficult choice
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for the decision-makers
in Germany's government,
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reflecting the broader debate over
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the country's role
in European security.
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Germany's new Chancellor,
Friedrich Merz,
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has made that role clear.
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He wants the German army
to become the strongest in Europe.
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His ambitious spending plans
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were approved by
a parliamentary majority,
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but not everyone supports his boost
to the defence budget.
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Opposition includes the far-left
Linke party and the far-right AfD.
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Merz has pledged
to do whatever it takes
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to protect freedom and peace.
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But like other European leaders,
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he will continue
to face challenging decisions
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about how best to do that
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as Russia intensifies its shadow war
against the West.
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Now here's some of
the other great content
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from the BBC World Service
that you can find this week.
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After the shocking abduction
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of more than 300 schoolchildren
in Nigeria,
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the BBC News Africa team were
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the first international media
to gain rare
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and exclusive access to Papiri,
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the village from
where they were taken.
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You can read more about how
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the community's coping
on our website.
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And the country of Haiti
has been ravaged
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by conflict and natural disasters
in recent years.
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Shut it down! Shut it
down!
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As a result, since 2010, hundreds of
thousands of its citizens have
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been given special protected status
to live in the US,
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but it's due to be removed soon
as part of President Donald Trump's
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sweeping changes
to immigration policies.
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Nawal Al-Maghafi has been to meet
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a family in Florida
who risk being split up.
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You can watch her report
on the BBC News YouTube channel.
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In recent months, Germany has been
locked in a heated debate
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about bringing back
compulsory military service.
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In 2011, believing in a peaceful
future in the post-Cold War era,
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the country decided
to end conscription.
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Now, with the war in Ukraine
and uncertainty inside Nato,
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Germany is trying
to rebuild its armed forces,
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all with the aim of
increasing troop numbers
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and creating Europe's
strongest army.
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For now, mandatory military service
is on hold in Germany,
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but elsewhere,
across ten other European states,
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including Croatia and Latvia,
it's either already in place
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or being reintroduced.
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In some of these countries,
that has been extended to women too.
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But are they willing
to be sent to war?
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Anna Holligan has this report.
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Europe is training more troops
as tensions with Russia rise.
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Some countries
are turning to conscription,
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requiring citizens to complete
a period of military service.
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During the World Wars,
only men could be forced
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to go to the front line.
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Now some nations
are drafting women, too.
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It's a big step to take,
because it's a way of saying
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this threat that we're
facing is so important
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that everyone
has to play their part,
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and everyone includes women.
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It's created debate
about who should serve.
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In the situation
that the world is in now,
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it's needed, I think.
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And I think it's only fair and right
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that women participate
equally as with the men.
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I do not want to die.
I do not want PTSD.
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And also I'm scared about, like,
life in the battlefield as a woman.
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So why is Europe rebuilding
its armies now?
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And is there support
for sending women to war?
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The modern concept of conscription
began during the French Revolution,
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when all men aged 18 to 25
had to report for duty.
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Other nations followed
France's model in the 19th century,
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and in the World Wars
millions were conscripted.
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Women were drafted too -
working on farms,
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in factories and in hospitals.
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Some served in the military, but
they weren't sent to the front line.
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Across Europe,
conscription policies were kept
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until the end of the Cold War,
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when hopes of lasting peace led
many countries to phase it out.
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The fall of the Berlin Wall,
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and there was a broad restructuring,
in a lot of European countries
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that happened of our militaries.
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Defence spending shrank,
militaries shrank with them.
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But some countries never
suspended conscription,
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with Russia and several
former USSR states
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also retaining forms
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of Soviet-era
military service.
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Those are mostly countries
that are close
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to some sort of territorial threat,
whether that is Greece and Turkey,
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or whether that is the countries
that are bordering Russia.
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In Norway, military service
has always been mandatory for men
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as part of its constitution.
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But in 2013, the country
voted to extend it to women,
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saying there should be equal rights
and obligations.
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They have access to parts of
the population that men don't -
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for instance, in intelligence
gathering, to be able to communicate
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with the female part of the society
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in parts of the world
that we do operations.
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Typically, service lasts
around a year,
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and former conscripts
can be called back
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to the army for
the next 26 years, if needed.
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Following Russia's annexation
of Crimea in 2014,
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Ukraine and Lithuania
reinstated
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compulsory military
service for men.
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Sweden did too,
in 2017,
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this time
including women.
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Countries that have
introduced conscription for women
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in Europe have tended to be
northern European countries,
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which are not only closer to Russia,
but they are also countries
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that have valued gender equality
very highly.
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Russia's 2022 full-scale invasion
of Ukraine further highlighted
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the need for European countries
to grow their armies.
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This has turned into
a war of attrition
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where Ukraine has struggled
to recruit enough troops
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to match Russia's rate
of mobilisation.
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And European leaders in front-line
states have now warned
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that Nato could soon find
itself at war with Russia.
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Since Russia's invasion,
these countries
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have made plans to bring back
compulsory service for men,
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while those in blue
are rolling out
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new voluntary military
training programmes.
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Denmark has also said it
would extend its draft
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from 4 to 11 months,
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and that women
would have to serve too.
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Fears President Donald Trump
might withdraw US funding from Nato
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unless European partners step up
defence spending
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have also driven
a recruitment effort.
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If they don't pay,
I'm not going to defend them.
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The reason why we are now
reintroducing conscription
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is because of a greater threat
from Russia,
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but also greater uncertainty
as to whether we can
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still rely on
the US security guarantee.
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In most countries, people can
refuse the military draft
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and opt for civilian service
instead.
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But failing to reply to a call-up
can lead to fines or even arrest.
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Denmark says it currently
has enough volunteers
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to fill its ranks,
and across the Nordic states,
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public support for female
conscription is strong.
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But in other countries
bordering Russia,
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like Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania,
it's much lower.
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Despite this, some politicians,
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like Latvian Defence Minister
Andris Spruds,
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say women are needed.
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Because we live
next to aggressor country,
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because we need to strongly increase
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our comprehensive defence, women,
the gender-neutral approach,
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this is crucial. In general,
this is principle
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which strengthens our defence
and our security of our people
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within specific nations,
but also in Nato at large.
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At the moment, these calls
are just proposals,
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but a falling birth rate could
make the situation more urgent.
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The problem will arrive about 2040,
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because birth cohorts of the past
two or three years have been
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so low that if we are still
in the same security situation,
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then we will just...
We will not have enough people.
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Gender-equal conscription
will mean armies
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need to make provisions
for uniform and weaponry,
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which are largely designed for men.
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And there are fears
about women operating
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in male-dominated environments.
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Increasingly, we're seeing examples
coming from European countries
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where women soldiers are very
vulnerable to sexual harassment,
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abuse, assault, and militaries
have struggled
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to understand how to deal
with this.
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But countries hope that,
despite the challenges,
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increasing defences like this will
prevent future Russian aggression.
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Thanks for joining me
in Berlin.
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