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[Tape whirrs]
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[Crowd applauds]
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NARRATOR: And on piano,the legendary Nicky Hopkins.
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[Crowd cheers]
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[Pop-rock music plays]
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It was this unique marriage
of the rawness
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of the electric guitars
and the rhythm section,
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and then the wider palette
of the piano.
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Piano says, has all the colors
and can say everything.
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And a, a guy
who's as talented as Nicky
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can take a simple song
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and fill it with all kinds
of extra meaning and feeling.
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Nicky could do
the absolute incredible...
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you would believe that
Otis Spann was in the room,
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which for, for a white
English kid in 1960s,
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was absolutely amazing.
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GREG: You didn't realize
how amazing he was
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until you would take
his contribution out.
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And then you realize,
oh man, that's, you know.
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He's adding stuff in there that
broadens and deepens the songs.
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Or he's like, right out front.
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He can entrance, he could play
just about anything.
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It was inspiring.
He was talented.
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He was invisible. It's an
instinct. It's an art form.
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Being a good session man.
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It absolutely blew my mind
to see
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this list of such classic songs
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that are still
being played today.
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And he performed on those.
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I started listening
for what he's added,
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and it's like, it's genius,
absolute genius.
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NARRATOR:
Over a 30 year period,
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Nicky Hopkins would playon over 250 albums.
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[Tape whirrs; piano plays]
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In the golden ageof rock and roll,
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bands consistedof guitar and drums,
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until they realizedthat the piano
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added harmonic richnessand melodic flair.
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Then, along came the legendarypianist, Nicky Hopkins.
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[Blues piano plays]
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You know the story.
It was when I was a little kid
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and I was tall enough
to reach up to play this...
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I didn't know what was up there.
It was just this table thing.
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And all of a sudden,
these things on the top,
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which were the keys, right?
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Started making a noise,
and I got into it.
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Mum lifted me up and helped me
for about three years, and...
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You know, I picked it up.
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INTERVIEWER: So by the time you
were six, you were rocking out?
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- Almost.
- Yeah.
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He learned classical music
to start with.
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He went to the Royal
Academy of Music
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and discovered rock and roll
when he was in his teens.
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So he had both these strands,
which is what I think,
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one of the things
that makes him unique.
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So he could play very melodic,
semi-classical parts,
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but he also could play
very beautiful gospel parts,
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and very good blues playing.
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BOB HARRIS: Nicky leftthe Royal Academy
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and its emphasison classical music
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when he was 16 years old
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and joined three otheraspiring musicians.
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They became the Savages.
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[Rock music plays]
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For Nicky, it was a raw entryinto the world of rock and roll,
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boozy venuesand shady nightclubs.
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The '60s, if you were
a teenager in the 1960s,
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you believed
you could do anything.
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It was a land
of opportunity, then.
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It was fantastic
to be in London in the 1960s.
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Well, at 16, yeah.
We played local cinemas.
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Back in those days, they could,
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they'd have a little group on
before the movie.
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We had so much great music
coming from America,
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and unfortunately, you couldn't
always see these artists.
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So that led to, uh, a great,
uh, boom in British artists.
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The first pro gig I did was
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with this bizarre character
called Screaming Lord Sutch.
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INTERVIEWER: Oh, yes.
I remember Screaming Lord Sutch.
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MIKE: It was, uh,
you know, basic.
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It was very basic, very cheap,
and none of us had any money.
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So I used to turn up
and sometimes
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you had to look for a poster,
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see where we were playing,
and then find the gig.
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And then of course, the whole
club circuit developed on pubs.
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And, uh, that's where the,
uh, young British bands
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really learned how to play
and how to perform to audiences.
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All those clubs, you know,
from Soho
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going out all the way down to,
you know,
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Crawdaddy in Richmond
or Eel Pie Island in Twickenham
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or the Ricky-Tick in Windsor.
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They're all in the area
where I lived.
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One of my favorite places was
Eel Pie Island on the Thames,
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where you had to cross
a little bridge
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and you had to pay tuppence
to a little old lady, a toll.
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[Rock music fades]
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[Harmonica plays]
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BOB: In November 1961,
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Nicky joinedthe legendary Cyril Davies.
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Cyril was a blues guy,
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a phenomenal blues
harmonica player,
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who was with Alexis Korner
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and decided to leave Alexis
to form his own band.
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And I understood why,
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because Alexis was playing
the right material,
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but very insipidly.
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Cyril went off on his own
and made his own band,
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which was called
the Cyril Davies All-Stars.
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And this included, amongst
some other great players,
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Nicky Hopkins,
very young piano player.
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NICKY: Cyril was
a very aggressive guy
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who wanted an authentic
Chicago blues band.
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And he actually
took Sutch's band.
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We had gotten pissed off
with Sutch for some reason, uh,
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and left Sutch
about a month before,
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and then all of a sudden the
entire band, except for Sutch,
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were just backing Cyril,
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and we filled out the marquee
every Thursday night to capacity
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and then beyond.
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Mick and I were down the club
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and we went to see Cyril, and
see what his new band was like.
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And the piano player, they just
blew, he just blew us away.
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There's this little white kid,
and he's sounding like
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he's in the back room of
somewhere in Mississippi
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or Chicago.
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He is phenomenal,
you know, he is.
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And that was my first,
Mick and I looked at each other:
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Whoa. You know,
where did Cyril find this guy?
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Star, he had a special star,
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which was this combination
of gospel and classical
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that, that I didn't ever
heard anyone else do.
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Seriously enough,
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it was during that period of
doing the marquee every week
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that I met up with the Stones.
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INTERVIEWER:
What year now, Nicky,
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that you met up
with the Stones?
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- Still the tail end of '62.
- Oh, wow. That early then.
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- Oh, yeah.
- I see.
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In fact, they were just starting
and we were just starting.
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We already had our audience.
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Uh, they didn't,
so they were our support act.
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When I first met him,
um, when he was playing
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with Cyril Davies at the Marquee
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'cause we were opening for Cyril
Davies for about five shows
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until we started to get a bit
more applause than expected.
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And then we got fired because
he didn't like the competition.
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[Music fades]
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BOB: In May, 1963,
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Nicky was rushed into KingEdward's Hospital in Park Royal
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with internal trouble andwas put on the critical list.
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He was later diagnosedwith Crohn's disease,
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which was complicatedby losing his gallbladder,
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his left kidney,and suffering a collapsed lung.
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Crohn's disease
is something where the, um,
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the guts effectively become
very inflamed, um,
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because the immune system
isn't working properly.
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BOB: And as one young musicianwould testify,
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Crohn's is no fun.
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It kind of came out of nowhere.
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I had it, I had symptoms for
about three months of vomiting,
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diarrhea, loss
of weight, fatigue.
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And it got to the point where
I was rushed to hospital
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and then I was quite quickly
diagnosed with Crohn's.
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But then, certainly, very little
was known and understood
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and how to treat it even less.
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Trying to navigate your way
through normal life,
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as well as being a musician
as well, which is, you know,
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rock and roll and Crohn's
don't go hand in hand.
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BOB: Nicky's unexpectedhospitalization
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was to bethe start of an illness
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that plagued him all his life.
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[Piano plays]
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The way I ran into,
found out about Nicky is, uh,
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there was a, my go-to drummer
at the time was Bobby Graham,
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who was one of the great
drummers in England.
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And, uh, he told me that
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he saw this kid named
Nicky Hopkins playing piano.
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And he was terrific,
and I should check him out.
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So I did.
And he was absolutely correct.
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Cyril Davies came in one Sunday
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and he brought
this young lad with him
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who looked terribly ill,
I must say.
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- The one thing I remember...
- He was so thin.
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He was incredibly thin anyway,
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but he'd turned up in clothes
he'd obviously been wearing
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before he'd been
in the hospital.
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Apparently he was playing the
piano, so I mic'ed the piano up
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He started playing and I'd never
heard anything close to it.
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So when the session finished,
I went up to him
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and I said, well,
give me your number
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and I'm sure I can get you
lots of work, and da da da.
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And he said, "Well,
I'm not available at the moment
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'cause I'm still not recovered
from these operations I've had."
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So I said, "Well,
here's my number.
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You ring me when
you are feeling up to it,
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and I know I can get you
lots of work."
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- Which he did, and I did.
- I know.
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Glyn, who was a producer
and engineer,
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recognized instantly
that this guy
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was going to be an important
session player
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because he covered so much,
so many bases.
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And that's where Nicky Hopkins
could come in
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as a classically trained pianist
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who also miraculously could play
in so many different styles,
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whether it was boogie-woogie,
the blues, rock and roll,
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he could do it all.
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[Music fades]
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Ray wrote a, a poignant
kind of, bit of a dig,
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but respectful song
called "Session Man".
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Nicky plays this incredible
baroque-esque type intro
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on the harpsichord.
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And I first saw Nicky's name
playing harpsichord,
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I think, on a Kinks record.
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And man, you know,
from day one, he was,
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he was a guy
that you would know, that's him,
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and you'd pay attention,
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'cause he always brought
something beautiful
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out of the song.
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The studios, they had
a harpsichord for orchestras.
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And we used to dabble with it.
And it somehow happened
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Nicky knew how to play
the thing.
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So it became integrated
because it was there.
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And Ray liked the sounds
and I loved the sounds.
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'Cause the bands wanted
keyboards on their records.
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But actually, in most cases,
they were known as guitar bands.
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It was simple, basic,
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what we wanted, sexually-driven
kind of aggression.
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Nicky had the ability
to meld things together
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without getting in the way.
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Of course, he was
technically brilliant, anyway.
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These are people who,
you know, worked every day.
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This was their job,
is to make great music
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and to make good music better.
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And I think Nicky was a prime
member of that fraternity.
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DAVE: And I think he worked
very well with Ray
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and extending Ray's vision
of what to play on the piece.
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You took Nicky away. It was
like the magic disappeared.
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Um, you don't what the magic is,
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but something was missing
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if you took his performance away
from the recording.
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[Piano plays]
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So if we look back at
some of those early Who records,
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we can see, like, evidence
of Nicky's musicality.
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I had no idea what he was gonnado or how he was gonna do it,
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or what show Tommy expected
of him, how he was gonna fit in.
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But of course,I did know who he was.
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He'd played on"Country Line Special" and,
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and really not get a sense of,of where this incredible blues,
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high-speed blues pianocame from.
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He would just be
in the background
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and Pete would say,
okay, we need some piano.
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We need this. And Nicky
would just get up and play.
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So there's no clash
of egos going on.
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And, and the Who had massive
clashes of egos in that band.
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Not bad, but they,
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that was why I think Nicky
probably fitted in.
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Later, on Who's Next
and Who by Numbers ,
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Nicky's contributionswere very different.
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They were very creative.
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He was much more rounded,
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much more straightforwardto work with.
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He didn't fall back intojust doing his part.
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He was really quite brilliant.
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[Music fades]
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And what he's doing is he's
sort of, he's adding tension.
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'cause most blues songs are kind
of like that medium tempo,
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but then he'd sort of
double it up, you know?
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So instead of playing
same rhythm as the guitars,
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which could be, you know,
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[Upbeat piano plays]
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I think he might do...
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[Upbeat faster piano plays]
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And especially
on numbers like "The Ox",
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which is, uh,
an instrumental by The Who.
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And just in the background,
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you can hear this frantic
piano going...
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[Fast piano plays]
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Again, about halfway through
the tune, there's a piano break
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and it's very clearly
this kind of thing.
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[Fast melodic piano plays]
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Which, uh, you know,
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it's that he runs this riff
throughout the whole tune
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with, you know,
a few little variations as well.
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And, you know, this sounds
very much like a jam.
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And they sort of do
sort of merge into a 12 bar.
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[Melodic piano plays]
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Nicky's there
with these crazy...
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[Fast piano plays]
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You know, in dispersing it
with the original riff.
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In 1967, I was doing, um,
Cat Stevens' first album,
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Matthew and Son.
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And Nicky turned up
and did the album
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along with the other musicians.
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And Nicky was fantastic.
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There's one track
on the Cat Stevens album,
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Matthew and Son ,
called "Granny".
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And he just played a great piano
on that. It's piano heavy.
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He did a fantastic job.
Nicky added to the mix.
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I mean, in other words,
he wasn't just an ancillary,
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I mean, what you have
with most session musicians,
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they, they come in, they do
their job for three hours,
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they'd disappear.
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Uh, Nicky wasn't like that.
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Nicky did want to do it again if
he felt he could make it better.
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PP Arnold, Pat Arnold
was one of the Ikettes,
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Ike and Tina Turner's backing
group, three girl singers.
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And I had a phone call
from Andrew Loog Oldham,
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who was the Stones' manager.
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And he said, "I've signed
this girl from the Ikettes
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and we're gonna call
her PP Arnold."
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We were brainstorming
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what material I would record
for the first album.
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I was, uh, called the First Lady
of Immediate Records.
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So Mike Hurst,
who also produced Cat Stevens,
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brought this great song
to the meeting,
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which was
"The First Cut is the Deepest".
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If people ask me
what I'm proudest of,
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probably there are two records.
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One's a Cat Stevens track,
uh, "I Love My Dog".
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Strangely enough, the first one.
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The other one is
"The First Cut is the Deepest".
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When I came into the studio
and I met Nicky,
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he was this really lovely,
sweet guy,
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you know, very quiet,
very calming.
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So I felt really this calming
effect from him
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that helped me to relax
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because I was kinda shy
and introverted as well.
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So, and then, that is until
he started playing the piano,
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and I realized
this guy is there,
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this beautiful, sweet guy,
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no ego coming off of him.
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And he's like the real deal.
You know?
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[PP Arnold's "The First Cut
is the Deepest" plays and fades]
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BOB: Was it serendipity
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that their paths crossedin those early days
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at the Marquee Club?Who knows?
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For Nicky, the Rolling Stones
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would becomea big part of his life.
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When Nicky came into
the Rolling Stones scene
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and all of a sudden
this guitar band
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had this whole other color
to it,
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or a bunch of colors.
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We were coming up with
songs that, uh,
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absolutely beyond Stu's, let
alone capability, his dreams.
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He didn't want to know. So
I think that Stu called, said:
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"The only guy that can handle
this is Nicky Hopkins."
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"She's a Rainbow",
absolutely classic Stones song
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with some beautiful piano
from Nicky on it.
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This great introduction,
which really sets up the song
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and again, you know, hugely, uh,
identifying part of the song.
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So the intro's got
this very elegantly,
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beautifully played piano.
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[Plays melodic piano]
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Stu was quite happy not to be
playing what Nicky was.
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Stu always said, you know,
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if you ever did any major-minor,
he went to minor chords.
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He said, I don't play
any of those Chinese shit.
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And I remember
hearing that piano
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and it was this haunting intro,
and then it was anticipated
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and it, it, it kind of like
didn't follow a click.
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It was just like
this freeform thing.
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And, and it got my attention as,
as a musician early on.
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[Plays soft piano]
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He had an intuitive feeling
of where the piano should sit
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and where it should be.
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'Cause you're playing with
two other stringed instruments
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and in a way, you are a bridge.
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You know, it's between the rest
of the band being on piano.
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Um, I don't think
Nicky knew how, you know,
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good he was, or just, you know,
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his instinct for the right note
at the right place.
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So, uh, how could I not do,
uh, justice by mentioning,
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uh, "Sympathy for the Devil" and
Nicky's contribution to that.
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Uh, very simple on the intro,
block chords,
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but he does one very cool thing.
So you got...
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[Sings]: ♪ Please allow meto introduce myself
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♪ I'm a man...
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[Ascending notes]
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He does that little lift
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to bring it back to the, uh,
tonic of the course of truth.
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♪ Please allow meto introduce myself
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♪ I'm a manof wealth and taste ♪
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And he does that
as you go through the song.
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And then by the...
get to the end,
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and he's doing
this great, uh, figure
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using a seven chord like this.
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[Plays upbeat piano]
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You know, Nicky's just playing
this piano part
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that sits nicely with the band,
doesn't stick out too much,
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but you know, he is there.
So we've got this.
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But whenever you sort of
started on a track
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and sort of just put
some basics on,
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suddenly Nicky
had just come out with a riff
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or a, a melody line
or something,
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which completely changed
the song.
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I felt, uh, this thing
between Nicky and me,
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'cause I'm churning out songs,
you know,
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and, uh, you know, they're
only half written, half made.
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And yeah, we, we're
boiling it in the studio
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kind of thing, cooking it up.
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And the way that Nicky
would cotton onto
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what I was just sort of
barely laying down.
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And I say, Nicky and I
would look at each other and go,
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[Breathes in]
'cause it was the other part
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that was in my head,
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but I couldn't put my finger on.
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Just always adding
that textural thing
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and then sort of popping out
of the texture when,
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when called upon.
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The way that Nicky plays that
and swings it and voices it
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and chooses to play these,
these chords here.
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And his just
incredible rhythm.
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Yeah, that's what drives
the track to me.
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That and Keith's bass playing on
that is astonishing.
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And somehow
nearly with every other song,
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Nicky would find that part.
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And so we always had this sort
of strange partnership
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between ourselves, you know?
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'Cause I would count on him
sometimes, say,
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"I've got a half a song here,
Nicky, you know, yeah,
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find me the other part",
you know? Yeah.
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And every time he'd come up
with it, an incredible player.
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No, he was a stunning,
stunning player. I've never...
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I think it's particularly
underlined in the period of time
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with the Rolling Stones,
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which where he was featured,
pretty much.
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When Mick Taylor
was in the band.
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Those albums,
which you'll, you'll quote...
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BILL: Beggars Banquet;Sticky Fingers;
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Exile on Main Street;Let It Bleed.
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All those four were
stunning albums.
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One of my favorite Stones songs,
"Monkey Man", I just...
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I play that
till the cows come home.
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His introduction on that song.
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It's like a, you know,
it's like a great movie scene.
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The first shot you see is like,
you know,
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wow, it's just gonna be great.
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Just very distinctive chords.
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[Fast, high-pitched
ascending notes]
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Um, you know,
Nicky plays them great,
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and I'm sure he came up
with that arpeggio idea
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rather than just, you know,
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he could have played them as,
played them as chords,
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or even down here,
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[Plays lower notes]
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but he chose to play them
like that.
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And it adds an instant
atmosphere to the song.
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It's so iconic
what he's doing there.
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00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:16,500
You know, you think
of iconic guitar riffs.
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Well, he was the master
and the creator
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of a lot of iconic piano riffs.
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And outside blues piano,
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you can't think of
a lot of other people
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whose riffs just hang
in your mind
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the way Nicky's do.
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BOB: In total, Nickywould contribute
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to 14 Rolling Stones albums.
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I remember listening
to "Revolution"
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from The Beatles as a kid,
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and I just remember
hearing that crazy, crazy, uh,
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uh, you know,
electric piano solo
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and what he did
at the end of the song.
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And I thought that was really
cool because, uh, you know,
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understanding that
The Beatles were
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a quartet with two guitars,
bass, and a drum.
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They didn't have a keyboardist.
So it's like, who was that?
469
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And what do you do
when The Beatles call you in
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to play on something?
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I mean, Nicky walked in
and played this solo,
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which is
an absolutely killing solo.
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It's got some really cool ideas
in it.
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Um, it goes something like this.
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[Plays fast upbeat piano]
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Again, it's an absolutely
rollicking solo,
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and it's got, um, it's got
these kind of cool ideas.
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[Plays fast, repeating notes]
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Just kind of
a Nicky Hopkins trademark
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in the sense that he's got
that kind of movement,
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that voicing that is changing.
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It's not just...
[Plays same notes fast]
483
00:24:52,767 --> 00:24:55,934
He's actually got some
inner-voice movement in there.
484
00:24:55,967 --> 00:24:57,967
[Plays variety of notes fast]
485
00:24:58,333 --> 00:25:01,233
BOB: The remarkable thing aboutplaying on a Beatles album
486
00:25:01,266 --> 00:25:04,600
was that it gave Nickyhis first Grand Slam.
487
00:25:04,700 --> 00:25:08,400
It meant that he'd now recordedwith the Kinks, The Who,
488
00:25:08,433 --> 00:25:11,533
the Rolling Stonesand the Beatles.
489
00:25:11,934 --> 00:25:13,767
[Upbeat rock music]
490
00:25:14,233 --> 00:25:16,800
Nicky was not the star.
He was the side man.
491
00:25:16,900 --> 00:25:18,900
His job was to make
the records better
492
00:25:18,934 --> 00:25:20,800
and not to go,
look, look at me!
493
00:25:20,834 --> 00:25:27,700
And, uh, I think that,
in that role,
494
00:25:27,734 --> 00:25:33,934
he was much more purely
and essentially a musician.
495
00:25:33,967 --> 00:25:35,500
I couldn't employ him full-time.
496
00:25:35,533 --> 00:25:39,133
And I, he was too good to sit,
sit around and do nothing.
497
00:25:39,233 --> 00:25:43,800
So, uh, I knew all those guys
and, um, I said, you know, uh,
498
00:25:43,834 --> 00:25:45,634
"I've got a great piano player
for you.
499
00:25:45,667 --> 00:25:47,066
You gotta check him out."
500
00:25:47,100 --> 00:25:49,100
And of course, they,
all of 'em wound up using him.
501
00:25:49,133 --> 00:25:52,033
Everybody would always talk
about Nicky Hopkins, this,
502
00:25:52,066 --> 00:25:53,266
and Nicky Hopkins, that.
503
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,800
And, and sadly,
I became very aware
504
00:25:56,100 --> 00:25:57,934
that he was playing
on everything.
505
00:25:58,033 --> 00:26:00,333
Nicky had three years
of session work in London
506
00:26:00,367 --> 00:26:03,000
where he played with
absolutely everybody,
507
00:26:03,266 --> 00:26:06,133
In each record,
each record album we did.
508
00:26:06,500 --> 00:26:09,000
And then it was done.
And then it was, oh, well,
509
00:26:09,033 --> 00:26:10,367
what's the next one
gonna be like?
510
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,266
And we'd get on
and do the next one.
511
00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:16,567
It was never with any viewpoint
of having made a record
512
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,133
that people were gonna listen to
10 years, 15 years,
513
00:26:19,166 --> 00:26:21,400
20 years, 25 years
into the future.
514
00:26:21,634 --> 00:26:25,333
I think most people that, uh,
that work with Nicky,
515
00:26:25,367 --> 00:26:27,800
they get him to come
and do one song,
516
00:26:28,033 --> 00:26:30,066
and then they suddenly realize,
517
00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:33,166
he'd be great
on that other side. [Laughs]
518
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,200
He said to me when
he was working with Eric,
519
00:26:36,233 --> 00:26:38,100
he said he'd go over and, uh,
520
00:26:38,266 --> 00:26:40,300
and Eric would say,
"Oh, that was wonderful."
521
00:26:40,467 --> 00:26:42,800
"So do you, look,
let me show you this one..."
522
00:26:42,834 --> 00:26:45,133
- Eric is?
- Eric Clapton, I mean, yeah.
523
00:26:45,166 --> 00:26:48,333
He was one of the busiest and
most successful session players,
524
00:26:48,367 --> 00:26:50,834
and then decided
he would go back on the road
525
00:26:51,100 --> 00:26:53,000
and join the Jeff Beck Group.
526
00:26:54,033 --> 00:26:55,567
[Piano plays]
527
00:26:55,667 --> 00:26:59,000
BOB: The Jeff Beck groupdidn't ease Nicky's workload,
528
00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:01,634
but it took him to America,
529
00:27:02,133 --> 00:27:05,500
a country that was to havea big impact on him.
530
00:27:05,767 --> 00:27:08,834
The Truth albumwould introduce the talents
531
00:27:08,867 --> 00:27:12,133
of Rod Stewart and Ronnie Wood,
532
00:27:13,533 --> 00:27:15,734
And man, Nicky's feel,
533
00:27:15,834 --> 00:27:17,500
and the notes
that pour out of his soul
534
00:27:17,533 --> 00:27:19,934
and land underneath
Rod Stewart's vocal
535
00:27:19,967 --> 00:27:23,367
and Jeff Beck's guitar
are absolutely perfect
536
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,166
for such a badass rock track.
537
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,900
He would use different styles
that were more heavy-handed.
538
00:27:29,934 --> 00:27:33,400
He could enter
into rock and roll.
539
00:27:33,433 --> 00:27:35,700
Well, now here was Nicky
with that classical training
540
00:27:35,734 --> 00:27:40,200
being very soulful, bluesy,
innovative, and improvising,
541
00:27:40,233 --> 00:27:42,133
but with the precision of
a classical player.
542
00:27:42,166 --> 00:27:45,867
He had this,
how would you say, cachet,
543
00:27:45,900 --> 00:27:48,634
he had this cachet
of information
544
00:27:48,667 --> 00:27:50,867
that he could
cross-reference.
545
00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:55,367
He could put classical,
Beethoven,
546
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,800
or whatever instances
you would use.
547
00:27:57,834 --> 00:27:59,400
The way Nicky played,
548
00:27:59,433 --> 00:28:02,700
there was like a,
there was a soulful precision.
549
00:28:03,433 --> 00:28:05,834
So even when he was improvising
and going crazy,
550
00:28:05,867 --> 00:28:10,500
it was always really kind of
in place, but very soulful.
551
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,166
[Music fades]
552
00:28:14,767 --> 00:28:16,700
[Soul music plays]
553
00:28:16,967 --> 00:28:19,767
Michael Chechik was doing
a radio documentary,
554
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,367
and part of it was recording
an interview with Glyn Johns.
555
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,734
And, uh, that took
a couple hours actually.
556
00:28:27,867 --> 00:28:31,634
And, uh, Glyn and I started
talking about recording sound,
557
00:28:31,667 --> 00:28:35,033
and he invited me over to
Wally Heider Recording
558
00:28:35,066 --> 00:28:37,367
where he was doing sessions
with Steve Miller.
559
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,433
I took him to San Francisco
to do a Steve Miller album,
560
00:28:43,333 --> 00:28:44,634
which he was brilliant on.
561
00:28:44,667 --> 00:28:46,567
I was a sound engineer myself,
562
00:28:46,834 --> 00:28:51,433
and I was picking up tips from
Glyn as I watched him, uh,
563
00:28:51,467 --> 00:28:55,900
for the duration of recording
the Steve Miller album
564
00:28:55,934 --> 00:28:57,033
Your Saving Grace.
565
00:28:57,100 --> 00:28:59,834
And he stayed, and I think
566
00:28:59,867 --> 00:29:01,667
he got hit on by
Quicksilver Messenger Service
567
00:29:01,700 --> 00:29:03,433
- and he played with them.
- Yeah he did, yeah.
568
00:29:03,467 --> 00:29:07,166
I was blown away by
his keyboard, um, playing.
569
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,000
I saw that he was
above and beyond
570
00:29:11,033 --> 00:29:13,000
just about anybody
I'd ever heard.
571
00:29:13,033 --> 00:29:14,467
After working a long day,
572
00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:16,667
we were listening to
an old Steve Miller band album,
573
00:29:16,767 --> 00:29:19,233
and we were listening to
Your Saving Grace , which is,
574
00:29:19,266 --> 00:29:24,033
um, has a song on it, "Baby's
House", which Steve Miller, um,
575
00:29:24,133 --> 00:29:26,066
had Nicky Hopkins
on piano and organ,
576
00:29:26,166 --> 00:29:28,533
and it's my favorite performance
of Nicky's.
577
00:29:28,634 --> 00:29:30,166
People were desperate to try
578
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,400
and follow in the footsteps of
Sergeant Pepper,
579
00:29:32,433 --> 00:29:34,533
really, I suppose
that's what started it all.
580
00:29:34,667 --> 00:29:37,567
And of course, an album by
then could sell him millions.
581
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,033
That's why it was so important
582
00:29:39,066 --> 00:29:40,433
to spend a lot of time
in the studios
583
00:29:40,467 --> 00:29:42,000
with the best musicians
available
584
00:29:42,133 --> 00:29:44,367
to produce the finest album
you could do.
585
00:29:44,634 --> 00:29:45,734
[Piano fades]
586
00:29:46,333 --> 00:29:48,700
BOB: Nicky was still playingwith the Jeff Beck Group,
587
00:29:48,834 --> 00:29:51,233
but internal frictionwithin the band
588
00:29:51,266 --> 00:29:53,033
had reached breaking point
589
00:29:53,066 --> 00:29:56,066
with the departure ofRonnie Wood and Rod Stewart.
590
00:29:56,100 --> 00:30:00,000
So he stayed in Mill Valley,
um, north of San Francisco.
591
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,433
Immediately, having now played
with the Stones
592
00:30:03,467 --> 00:30:05,300
on Famous Records
and the Beatles,
593
00:30:05,333 --> 00:30:08,500
he immediately was, um,
embraced as rock royalty.
594
00:30:08,533 --> 00:30:12,133
You know, the, the San Francisco
bands were basically,
595
00:30:12,867 --> 00:30:14,166
it was kind of like Motown.
596
00:30:14,266 --> 00:30:15,533
I mean, they were a family.
597
00:30:15,967 --> 00:30:17,900
Now, all the San Francisco bands
at this time
598
00:30:17,934 --> 00:30:19,967
were recording
at Wally Heider Studio,
599
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,266
which was still moderately new
down on Post Street.
600
00:30:23,433 --> 00:30:26,100
And, and people were just
hanging out all the time.
601
00:30:26,133 --> 00:30:28,066
Usually, if somebody
came to town
602
00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:30,266
like Nicky did for Steve Miller,
603
00:30:30,333 --> 00:30:33,066
he would get with this family
604
00:30:33,133 --> 00:30:35,634
and was meeting members
of the Dead
605
00:30:35,667 --> 00:30:38,567
and members of Quicksilver
and the Airplane.
606
00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:43,100
And he ended up just, I think
he fell in love with the town
607
00:30:43,367 --> 00:30:46,233
and, um, decided to stay
for a while.
608
00:30:46,767 --> 00:30:48,467
[Rock music plays]
609
00:30:48,867 --> 00:30:51,333
Now, I wish that I could say
who it was
610
00:30:51,367 --> 00:30:53,100
that got Nicky involved
in this,
611
00:30:53,133 --> 00:30:56,100
but whoever it was:
good thinking,
612
00:30:56,133 --> 00:30:58,634
because he did some incredible
playing on that record.
613
00:30:58,667 --> 00:31:02,066
JACK: Nicky's left hand
would just solidify us,
614
00:31:02,166 --> 00:31:05,300
like putting pinpoints of
foundations around a building
615
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:09,033
as he'd fill in
other harmonic aspects to it.
616
00:31:09,166 --> 00:31:11,133
It wasn't a left hand
playing rhythm
617
00:31:11,166 --> 00:31:13,166
then the right hand
doing melody.
618
00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:16,233
He would work truly like a,
a concert pianist,
619
00:31:16,266 --> 00:31:17,767
like a classical musician.
620
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,200
And he, and
with all of his training,
621
00:31:19,367 --> 00:31:21,500
the rest of us would
just fall right in line.
622
00:31:21,533 --> 00:31:24,100
Before, as we'd work on
the songs, Nicky would come in
623
00:31:24,133 --> 00:31:27,967
and put that, just the,
the solidness into the track.
624
00:31:28,033 --> 00:31:29,834
He should have played
at Woodstock
625
00:31:29,867 --> 00:31:31,100
with the Jeff Beck group.
626
00:31:31,133 --> 00:31:33,000
But Jeff Beck sulked
and went home.
627
00:31:33,033 --> 00:31:34,700
But Nicky still played
at Woodstock
628
00:31:34,734 --> 00:31:37,066
because he was on stage
with the Jefferson Airplane.
629
00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:39,567
JACK: Woodstock
at the beginning of the tour
630
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,133
was just another gig we had.
631
00:31:41,166 --> 00:31:43,200
We had to be somewhere else
a couple of days later.
632
00:31:43,233 --> 00:31:46,367
I don't think anybody had an
idea what was gonna happen.
633
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,400
And I remember that when we,
when the Airplane,
634
00:31:49,433 --> 00:31:52,166
everybody's got their own story
about this, but,
635
00:31:52,266 --> 00:31:54,100
but we went on
about 18 hours late.
636
00:31:54,333 --> 00:31:58,166
If we were to do a festival
like that today, it would be,
637
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,333
I hope I never work this gig
again as long as I live.
638
00:32:01,367 --> 00:32:02,967
I mean, for a lot of reasons.
639
00:32:03,133 --> 00:32:07,967
Even though the world was really
in a really bad state,
640
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:13,166
we were going through
the Vietnam War, civil rights,
641
00:32:13,233 --> 00:32:17,200
but the youth were
bringing it all together.
642
00:32:17,300 --> 00:32:20,400
We were trying to change things.
643
00:32:20,467 --> 00:32:24,567
So it was a time of change
for humanity.
644
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,166
I will never play for a crowd as
big as this, as long as I live.
645
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:32,166
And when we actually see that
it defies description.
646
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,767
BOB: Woodstock would laterbe regarded as a pivotal moment
647
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,433
in popular music history.
648
00:32:37,467 --> 00:32:40,133
And the "Volunteers" songplayed at Woodstock
649
00:32:40,166 --> 00:32:41,233
by Jefferson Airplane
650
00:32:41,266 --> 00:32:43,166
has been described as
651
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,667
"One of the great anti-warprotest songs of the '60s."
652
00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:49,033
[Fast piano plays]
653
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,734
Nicky had, by this time,met up with John Cipollina,
654
00:32:52,767 --> 00:32:56,233
founder member ofQuicksilver Messenger Service.
655
00:32:56,266 --> 00:33:01,000
John and David Freiberg from
Quicksilver came up to see me,
656
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,367
and they said that, uh,
they were short one guy
657
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,700
because Gary Duncan had left,
658
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,400
and it was just those two
and Greg Elmore.
659
00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:13,700
Um, so they needed a fourth
for the album.
660
00:33:13,834 --> 00:33:15,133
I said, would I stay on?
661
00:33:15,266 --> 00:33:17,734
Like many of
the San Francisco groups,
662
00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:22,667
Quicksilver Messenger Service
with John Cipollina, was...
663
00:33:23,433 --> 00:33:28,400
a little bit more freewheeling
than, uh, groups in the UK.
664
00:33:28,834 --> 00:33:31,967
They went off
on tangents sometimes,
665
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,967
and Nicky, being
an improvisational piano player,
666
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,233
loved that.
667
00:33:36,266 --> 00:33:38,433
He loved doing things
off the cuff.
668
00:33:38,467 --> 00:33:42,300
John and Nicky
realized very soon
669
00:33:42,333 --> 00:33:44,834
that they had
very much in common.
670
00:33:44,867 --> 00:33:46,934
And ended up staying
at his house.
671
00:33:47,033 --> 00:33:50,100
And, uh, they became
extremely close.
672
00:33:50,166 --> 00:33:54,667
Nicky recorded "Shady Grove"
with, uh, Quicksilver
673
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:58,367
when Quicksilver had kind of
changed slightly.
674
00:33:58,567 --> 00:34:01,967
More than anything,
I just enjoyed...
675
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,567
having John as a friend
more than anything.
676
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,133
BOB: Nicky hadn'tjust found a friend.
677
00:34:07,166 --> 00:34:10,066
He was welcomedand truly embraced
678
00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:13,266
by John Cipollina'swider family.
679
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,266
They loved him because they get,
it was a musical family.
680
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:20,166
John's mother, Evelyn,
had been a concert pianist.
681
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,900
She was a protégé
of José Iturbi,
682
00:34:21,934 --> 00:34:24,967
and she was a piano teacher
for decades.
683
00:34:25,367 --> 00:34:30,233
And, um, like minds attracted,
and, and you know,
684
00:34:30,266 --> 00:34:34,033
Nicky could go up there
and just sit and play piano and,
685
00:34:34,133 --> 00:34:38,133
and he fit, he fit right in
with what was a musical,
686
00:34:38,266 --> 00:34:40,000
a totally musical family.
687
00:34:40,066 --> 00:34:41,533
He was one of the family.
688
00:34:45,066 --> 00:34:47,367
[Rock music plays live]
689
00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:02,400
I know John knew Terry
from before.
690
00:35:02,533 --> 00:35:04,934
And at some point when,
691
00:35:04,967 --> 00:35:07,233
when Quicksilver
was kind of winding down,
692
00:35:07,266 --> 00:35:09,467
John and Terry
started doing things together.
693
00:35:09,533 --> 00:35:13,066
And by that time, Nicky was,
like I said, one of the family.
694
00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:15,066
I remember Nicky
inviting me down
695
00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:17,934
to play bass on a track
called "Rainbow"
696
00:35:17,967 --> 00:35:19,467
he was producing
in San Francisco
697
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:22,533
for a Terry Dolan album
for Warner Brothers.
698
00:35:22,634 --> 00:35:25,400
Uh, Nicky produced
side one of the project,
699
00:35:25,533 --> 00:35:27,800
but he had to go off
on a long Stones tour.
700
00:35:27,867 --> 00:35:32,600
They asked me, Terry and Nicky
asked me to produce side two.
701
00:35:32,634 --> 00:35:33,834
I like working with Terry.
702
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,166
I found that to be
a real fun gig to do.
703
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,467
And we do, I actually did
quite a few gigs.
704
00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:43,834
I'd just fly up there for the
weekend, do a gig with Terry,
705
00:35:43,867 --> 00:35:45,033
and come back again.
706
00:35:45,333 --> 00:35:47,266
We used to do that
umpteen times.
707
00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:50,567
And with Terry and the Pirates,
they were together so long.
708
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,800
Nicky played many, many sessions
through the years with Terry.
709
00:35:56,233 --> 00:35:58,867
And Terry had many,
many musicians.
710
00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:02,500
BOB: Often described asa Marin County's Boy Club
711
00:36:02,533 --> 00:36:06,100
of Professional Playersled by Terry Dolan,
712
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,400
Terry and the Pirates had becomea kind of revolving door
713
00:36:09,433 --> 00:36:13,000
for musicianswho were between jobs.
714
00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:15,734
[Rock music continues]
715
00:36:17,767 --> 00:36:19,467
Then we did the,
the gig in Hamburg,
716
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:22,467
which was a television show,
and then slept about six hours.
717
00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:24,367
And then the next morning
came back to the States.
718
00:36:24,433 --> 00:36:26,867
I couldn't believe it.
It's like we were in Europe
719
00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:29,634
for about three days
and did three gigs...
720
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,066
in three different cities
hundreds of miles apart.
721
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:34,133
It was nuts.
722
00:36:34,533 --> 00:36:37,400
But I know that Nicky
enjoyed playing with
723
00:36:37,700 --> 00:36:40,400
both Quicksilver
and Terry Dolan,
724
00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:42,133
and there were
a couple other groups
725
00:36:42,166 --> 00:36:44,867
that he played with
in San Francisco
726
00:36:44,967 --> 00:36:49,767
that were essentially anchors
for him to, uh,
727
00:36:50,033 --> 00:36:53,600
give him reason to stay
in his home in Mill Valley.
728
00:36:54,500 --> 00:36:55,767
[Music fades]
729
00:36:55,934 --> 00:36:58,533
[Upbeat fast piano plays]
730
00:36:58,734 --> 00:37:01,066
It was great to come to
somewhere like the Bay Area
731
00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:06,800
and find some people
who weren't into all this being,
732
00:37:07,233 --> 00:37:08,800
all this self-important crap.
733
00:37:08,834 --> 00:37:12,467
And one could just be oneself.
I thought it was great.
734
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,533
Kindred spirits and all that.
735
00:37:16,166 --> 00:37:18,934
BOB: Gerry Garciawas best known as guitarist
736
00:37:18,967 --> 00:37:20,400
with the Grateful Dead,
737
00:37:20,433 --> 00:37:24,667
who were part ofthe counterculture of the 1960s.
738
00:37:26,367 --> 00:37:28,333
Nicky was
a rock and roll player,
739
00:37:28,433 --> 00:37:31,567
and I mean, aside from
everything else he could do,
740
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,634
he could play rock and roll
piano like, like nobody else.
741
00:37:34,667 --> 00:37:37,734
I think his major God
742
00:37:37,767 --> 00:37:40,166
was Jerry Lee Lewis
more than Chopin.
743
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,500
And, um, he brought that
rock and roll sensibility,
744
00:37:44,533 --> 00:37:46,867
which Gerry loved.
745
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,400
And, uh, it was just,
it was something different.
746
00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:53,700
Gerry was always looking
for something different,
747
00:37:53,734 --> 00:37:58,000
whether it was his bluegrass
band or his Jerry Garcia band,
748
00:37:58,100 --> 00:38:01,400
or the Sanders-Garcia Band.
749
00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:03,767
And he was just looking
for something different.
750
00:38:03,834 --> 00:38:06,200
And Nicky was, was there.
751
00:38:06,867 --> 00:38:09,066
[Music fades]
752
00:38:09,700 --> 00:38:11,900
[Slower piano music plays]
753
00:38:12,066 --> 00:38:13,634
BOB: In 1976,
754
00:38:13,667 --> 00:38:17,433
when Starsky & Hutch
was a huge television hit,
755
00:38:17,467 --> 00:38:22,834
David Soul recorded an albumentitled David Soul.
756
00:38:23,266 --> 00:38:24,467
I don't know David Soul.
757
00:38:24,734 --> 00:38:27,000
I know what he did with
Starsky and Hutch ,
758
00:38:27,033 --> 00:38:31,233
and I know that David Soul
did his own solo album,
759
00:38:31,266 --> 00:38:34,166
which actually
was pretty popular.
760
00:38:34,567 --> 00:38:35,867
And Nicky played on that.
761
00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:38,066
Nicky Hopkins playing
on David Soul's album.
762
00:38:38,233 --> 00:38:41,433
This is something I didn't know
about, this is a revelation.
763
00:38:41,567 --> 00:38:44,166
And I find the thought
incredibly entertaining.
764
00:38:44,266 --> 00:38:50,200
It's so funny that a guy who
would be, like, a famous actor,
765
00:38:50,233 --> 00:38:53,166
well, "I want to be a rock star"
or whatever, you know.
766
00:38:53,333 --> 00:38:55,333
David Soul wanted
to have more exposure,
767
00:38:55,367 --> 00:38:57,000
and music was one way to do it.
768
00:38:57,033 --> 00:38:59,433
He was a guitar player,
from what I understand,
769
00:38:59,533 --> 00:39:05,967
and he had a, a good voice
and he, um, wanted to use it.
770
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,900
I don't know that
he and David Soul
771
00:39:07,934 --> 00:39:09,266
had any kind of relationship.
772
00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:11,300
I don't know if Nicky
had any relationship
773
00:39:11,333 --> 00:39:14,333
with David Soul's producer,
or where that came from,
774
00:39:14,433 --> 00:39:18,800
but he was just the gold-star
session piano player.
775
00:39:19,033 --> 00:39:21,166
[Music fades]
776
00:39:22,133 --> 00:39:24,967
[Sings]: ♪ Tell mehow do you sleep at night? ♪
777
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,367
[Melodic rock music plays]
778
00:39:31,233 --> 00:39:32,200
Hit it.
779
00:39:42,467 --> 00:39:49,634
♪ Jump when your mommatell you anything ♪
780
00:39:50,467 --> 00:39:53,200
So it was really the Beatles
and quickly the Stones
781
00:39:53,233 --> 00:39:57,600
that had melody with the
soul of the old blues guys.
782
00:39:57,634 --> 00:40:00,533
That was like an explosion
and a revelation,
783
00:40:00,567 --> 00:40:03,834
an emotional revelation that,
that was like a possession.
784
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:05,734
I fell in love
with rock and roll
785
00:40:05,767 --> 00:40:07,200
through the Beatles and Stones.
786
00:40:07,233 --> 00:40:08,834
The other side of,
of Nicky was that
787
00:40:08,867 --> 00:40:10,200
he could be quite
delicate as well.
788
00:40:10,300 --> 00:40:12,333
I mean, I wasn't involved
in the Lennon stuff,
789
00:40:12,367 --> 00:40:14,000
but I would imagine
if you listen to actually
790
00:40:14,033 --> 00:40:16,700
what he's actually playing,
it's very delicate.
791
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:17,900
You just have to pick it out.
792
00:40:18,233 --> 00:40:20,667
BOB: Nicky had crossed pathswith John Lennon
793
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:22,433
a few times over the years.
794
00:40:22,467 --> 00:40:26,133
It came as no surprise to Nickywhen John invited him
795
00:40:26,166 --> 00:40:29,900
to be a part of the sessionsfor his Imagine album.
796
00:40:30,266 --> 00:40:33,200
Looking around,
you know, I saw Klaus.
797
00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:35,200
I already knew obviously
who he was.
798
00:40:35,233 --> 00:40:39,767
And so I was very, uh...
it just added to the, uh,
799
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,433
to the otherworldly feeling
800
00:40:41,467 --> 00:40:45,400
that I had been there in
John Lennon's little studio
801
00:40:45,834 --> 00:40:47,800
with John and Phil.
802
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,400
The track I think that
Nicky liked the most
803
00:40:52,433 --> 00:40:54,000
was "Jealous Guy".
804
00:40:54,066 --> 00:40:56,500
You couldn't go wrong.
It was John and his song
805
00:40:56,533 --> 00:40:58,934
and his singing, and he loved
the song, obviously.
806
00:40:59,033 --> 00:41:02,000
And, and it was,
uh, about, you know,
807
00:41:02,033 --> 00:41:04,333
one of the people
he loves most in the world.
808
00:41:04,367 --> 00:41:07,500
And, you know,
and the whole thing was set up
809
00:41:07,634 --> 00:41:10,233
to just move you, the listener.
810
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,233
People who have heard that song
over the years, you know,
811
00:41:13,266 --> 00:41:14,734
they, they hear it and they,
812
00:41:14,767 --> 00:41:17,300
they feel that that
wonderful little kind of vibe.
813
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:23,233
And Nicky Hopkins, to me,
was a huge part of that.
814
00:41:23,266 --> 00:41:29,033
Nicky's sound
on the piano was like
815
00:41:29,066 --> 00:41:31,800
that of an English garden to me.
816
00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:34,433
So, for example,
in Nicky's music,
817
00:41:35,367 --> 00:41:40,367
I would say something like
"Jealous Guy" and "Angie",
818
00:41:40,533 --> 00:41:44,166
would be good examples of where
he will repeat little patterns.
819
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,567
And it's quite subliminal,
I think, for the listener.
820
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:52,667
I could feel John responding,
um, to our playing.
821
00:41:52,867 --> 00:41:55,567
And I love that.
I've always loved that.
822
00:41:55,634 --> 00:41:58,934
When you're in the studio
and you're making a record,
823
00:41:58,967 --> 00:42:03,634
you, you can't help
but feel everybody's vibe.
824
00:42:03,667 --> 00:42:09,066
Nicky had such respect for John
and his abilities, you know.
825
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:17,533
And, um, I know that he enjoyed
working on the Imagine album.
826
00:42:18,233 --> 00:42:20,233
BOB: There's beena lot of speculation
827
00:42:20,266 --> 00:42:22,967
that John playedthe piano on Imagine
828
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,467
and not Nicky;
829
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:28,367
Moira Hopkins sees itas making perfect sense.
830
00:42:29,166 --> 00:42:31,433
MOIRA: You know, that
was such a big song
831
00:42:31,467 --> 00:42:35,800
that John should be playing the
piano for that particular song,
832
00:42:35,834 --> 00:42:40,066
because it was like the name
of the album as well, wasn't it?
833
00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:42,266
It was very important.
834
00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:47,433
So I'm on piano on most of
the rest of that album,
835
00:42:47,467 --> 00:42:49,634
which was great.
836
00:42:49,667 --> 00:42:52,800
And, uh, of course, John
was such a unique character.
837
00:42:52,834 --> 00:42:55,033
I found that John was
very into him being,
838
00:42:55,066 --> 00:42:58,934
just being himself anyway,
and getting things done.
839
00:42:58,967 --> 00:43:00,900
John was brilliant because
840
00:43:00,934 --> 00:43:02,734
he could get things done
very quickly,
841
00:43:02,767 --> 00:43:04,867
which was why,
'cause I asked him once,
842
00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:06,066
why move to New York?
843
00:43:06,634 --> 00:43:09,133
He said, because it's the only
place that can keep up with him.
844
00:43:09,166 --> 00:43:11,600
I thought, yeah, okay,
well that makes sense.
845
00:43:14,033 --> 00:43:15,166
[Music fades]
846
00:43:15,634 --> 00:43:18,467
BOB: Nicky was well-likedby all of the ex-Beatles.
847
00:43:18,567 --> 00:43:21,400
And Paul McCartneywas no exception.
848
00:43:21,433 --> 00:43:24,934
So I used to drive him places,
you know,
849
00:43:25,367 --> 00:43:29,700
and, um, so I, he said,
uh, oh, well, he said, um,
850
00:43:30,333 --> 00:43:33,066
"Paul wants me to go down
to Winchelsea."
851
00:43:33,100 --> 00:43:36,400
"He wants me to come down
to the studio."
852
00:43:36,567 --> 00:43:41,900
So I, I drove him down and, um,
you know, went in with him.
853
00:43:42,133 --> 00:43:45,934
And, uh, when Paul, uh,
saw that Nicky had arrived,
854
00:43:45,967 --> 00:43:47,500
he came up and hugged him.
855
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,100
And over his shoulder,
he said to me, oh, he said,
856
00:43:51,133 --> 00:43:53,233
"It's been so long
since I've seen him."
857
00:43:53,266 --> 00:43:56,567
He's a, and he was so very happy
to see him, you know.
858
00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:59,400
BOB: Despite Paul McCartney'sadmiration for him,
859
00:43:59,500 --> 00:44:03,533
Nicky was asked to auditionfor Paul's Wings.
860
00:44:03,734 --> 00:44:06,667
He'd known Paulfor over 20 years.
861
00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:08,533
He didn't join Wings.
862
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:15,567
I actually have no proof of it,
but I think that
863
00:44:15,834 --> 00:44:18,166
because, uh, you know,
864
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:23,066
Linda was, was playing, that...
865
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,333
maybe she didn't feel
so comfortable
866
00:44:26,734 --> 00:44:32,133
with Nicky being there on the,
you know, on piano.
867
00:44:32,667 --> 00:44:37,166
BOB: In 1989, Paul invited Nickyto play on his album
868
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,266
Flowers In The Dirt,
almost 18 years on
869
00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:44,900
from playing onthe Imagine album in 1971,
870
00:44:44,934 --> 00:44:47,900
Nicky achieved
his second Grand Slam.
871
00:44:47,934 --> 00:44:52,934
He'd now played on the soloalbums of all four Beatles.
872
00:44:52,967 --> 00:44:54,333
[Guitar plays]
873
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,834
First of all,
the thing you want to do,
874
00:44:56,967 --> 00:45:00,367
if you're a person
that plays on records,
875
00:45:00,467 --> 00:45:02,133
the thing you pray for is that
876
00:45:02,166 --> 00:45:05,800
it's a great song
to be able to play on.
877
00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:07,900
BOB: Differentfrom the production
878
00:45:07,934 --> 00:45:09,634
of his previous albums,
879
00:45:09,667 --> 00:45:13,500
George Harrison carefully chosea small core of musicians
880
00:45:13,533 --> 00:45:14,634
to support him.
881
00:45:14,667 --> 00:45:16,867
He included Nicky Hopkins.
882
00:45:17,066 --> 00:45:22,333
But George, when I heard
that little song,
883
00:45:22,367 --> 00:45:23,500
"Give Me Love",
884
00:45:23,934 --> 00:45:27,033
it just did the same thing,
only in a little bit
885
00:45:27,066 --> 00:45:30,200
of a different way than
John's "Jealous Guy" did.
886
00:45:30,233 --> 00:45:34,300
It was, it just, you just knew
exactly what to play.
887
00:45:36,934 --> 00:45:43,033
And with, with Nicky
playing those chords,
888
00:45:44,033 --> 00:45:46,700
the way he would play
those chords,
889
00:45:46,934 --> 00:45:49,767
and with the touch
that he played them,
890
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:55,166
it wasn't anything
you could do wrong.
891
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:56,567
You couldn't go wrong.
892
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:01,400
He had this invaluable
ability to realize
893
00:46:01,433 --> 00:46:03,734
where to start playing
in the song.
894
00:46:03,834 --> 00:46:05,433
You don't have to play
from the top.
895
00:46:05,900 --> 00:46:10,467
And where to play
in relation to the melody
896
00:46:10,734 --> 00:46:13,734
and just what
can break your heart
897
00:46:13,767 --> 00:46:15,433
with a few notes up high.
898
00:46:15,467 --> 00:46:19,800
You know, those guys had him on
their records for that reason,
899
00:46:19,834 --> 00:46:23,900
because he could elevate,
uh, a song
900
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,500
to a place that it might not
have gotten to.
901
00:46:26,533 --> 00:46:30,000
Nicky would come up
with these little vignettes
902
00:46:30,033 --> 00:46:32,367
that were so memorable,
you know,
903
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,934
you would hear it and you'd say,
wow, that, that makes that song,
904
00:46:36,066 --> 00:46:38,734
BOB: That creativity,that ability
905
00:46:38,767 --> 00:46:40,300
to come up with vignettes
906
00:46:40,333 --> 00:46:43,934
effortlessly added toand made songs better.
907
00:46:44,233 --> 00:46:47,367
Something anotherex-Beatle understood.
908
00:46:47,567 --> 00:46:51,767
I'm choosing "Photograph"
from Ringo Star, because...
909
00:46:51,934 --> 00:46:54,934
Yes, because, no, it's,
it's a beautiful song.
910
00:46:54,967 --> 00:46:57,767
It's certainly one of
the more obscure ones.
911
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,767
Nice simple pop song,
the essence of that song, again,
912
00:47:02,333 --> 00:47:03,900
you'd have to point to Nicky.
913
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,500
I would have to, anyway.
914
00:47:05,533 --> 00:47:09,767
[Upbeat piano plays]
915
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:17,667
[Fades to "Photograph"
by Ringo Starr]
916
00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:19,433
The arrangement
was great overall,
917
00:47:19,467 --> 00:47:21,767
everything about all
the playing and everything,
918
00:47:21,834 --> 00:47:26,033
but Nicky's touch, you know,
it's just another example
919
00:47:26,433 --> 00:47:31,934
of having Nicky Hopkins
and a Beatle together,
920
00:47:32,033 --> 00:47:33,934
and I'm in the room with 'em.
921
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,300
That's just a great, great...
922
00:47:36,333 --> 00:47:40,066
It doesn't get any better
than that for me, personally.
923
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:42,166
[Music fades]
924
00:47:43,867 --> 00:47:45,900
[Low piano plays]
925
00:47:45,934 --> 00:47:48,900
So I have two favorite
Nicky Hopkins tracks.
926
00:47:49,467 --> 00:47:52,367
The first one is called
"A Dreamer" off the album
927
00:47:52,433 --> 00:47:56,000
The Tin Man was a Dreamer ,
and man,
928
00:47:56,033 --> 00:47:59,233
his piano playing
and the way he's playing
929
00:47:59,266 --> 00:48:03,000
feels next to the orchestra
is absolutely exquisite.
930
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,433
BOB: Nicky was workingwith George Harrison
931
00:48:05,467 --> 00:48:07,834
during the week,and at weekends,
932
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:12,433
he recorded his own solo album
The Tin Man was a Dreamer ,
933
00:48:12,467 --> 00:48:17,166
helped, of course, by some ofhis mates, including George.
934
00:48:17,233 --> 00:48:22,133
Every piano player that
I've known since those days,
935
00:48:22,233 --> 00:48:26,867
and I've talked about Nicky,
they, they all bow,
936
00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:33,634
uh, you know, he just was one
of those unusual beauties
937
00:48:34,033 --> 00:48:36,200
that comes around
once in a while.
938
00:48:36,333 --> 00:48:40,367
I didn't know it at the time.
Why was he called the Tin Man?
939
00:48:41,166 --> 00:48:45,500
He collected tea tins,
English tea tins, you know,
940
00:48:45,533 --> 00:48:47,100
'cause some of the artwork
on these things,
941
00:48:47,133 --> 00:48:48,900
especially when you...
was pretty incredible.
942
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,800
Also on The Tim Manwas a Dreamer is this,
943
00:48:50,834 --> 00:48:52,400
is this version
944
00:48:52,433 --> 00:48:56,700
of his, uh, of his song "Edward
the Mad Shirt Grinder".
945
00:48:56,867 --> 00:49:00,066
[Plays dramatic piano]
946
00:49:11,967 --> 00:49:14,300
[Piano fades]
947
00:49:16,233 --> 00:49:19,700
The '70s were his most
successful period in his life.
948
00:49:19,900 --> 00:49:23,133
He was, um, commuting
across the Atlantic
949
00:49:23,166 --> 00:49:26,433
to play with the Stones
and, um, with John Lennon
950
00:49:26,767 --> 00:49:29,433
and countless sessions
in Los Angeles.
951
00:49:29,467 --> 00:49:31,300
BOB: Nicky had returnedto London
952
00:49:31,333 --> 00:49:33,900
to be part of theRolling Stones' latest album,
953
00:49:33,934 --> 00:49:37,200
Let It Bleed.
Bill Wyman picks up the story.
954
00:49:37,233 --> 00:49:39,333
Yeah, we all arrived
at the studio,
955
00:49:39,367 --> 00:49:44,300
and Ry Cooder came and hung out,
and Keith didn't like that.
956
00:49:44,333 --> 00:49:47,100
So Keith went home,
I think, and it just,
957
00:49:47,133 --> 00:49:49,133
it was just, just us, wasn't it?
958
00:49:49,166 --> 00:49:51,734
And, uh, we didn't know
what to do, so we just,
959
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:53,433
Nicky just started jamming.
960
00:49:53,533 --> 00:49:57,200
Then we just sort of jammed
and fooled around, didn't we?
961
00:49:57,233 --> 00:49:59,834
And Mick just threw in
bits and pieces.
962
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,467
- It was completely spontaneous.
- And it was just alive.
963
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:07,000
And I realized that something
unusual could happen.
964
00:50:07,066 --> 00:50:08,967
So I started running the tape.
965
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:13,367
It was a very stoned thought,
was the title.
966
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:19,433
Um, I had become Edward
on some Stones sessions, um,
967
00:50:19,467 --> 00:50:21,900
because Keith,
it was at Olympic,
968
00:50:21,934 --> 00:50:25,100
which was a huge area,
huge floor area.
969
00:50:25,133 --> 00:50:28,333
Keith was tuning his guitars up,
and he was yelling at me
970
00:50:28,367 --> 00:50:31,333
because the,
the headphones weren't working.
971
00:50:31,567 --> 00:50:33,667
And so it was hard to hear.
And he said,
972
00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:35,467
"Nicky, gimme an E."
I said, what?
973
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:37,433
He said, "Gimme an E."
I said, "Can't hear you."
974
00:50:37,467 --> 00:50:41,533
"Gimme an E for Edward."
So I became Edward.
975
00:50:42,133 --> 00:50:44,000
[Rock music plays]
976
00:50:44,166 --> 00:50:46,967
The first time
I met Nicky Hopkins,
977
00:50:47,266 --> 00:50:51,000
I believe was on the sessions
for, uh, Harry Nilsson,
978
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,133
for the Son of Schmilsson
record.
979
00:50:53,567 --> 00:50:57,433
BOB: Son of Schmilsson wasan eclectic mixture of styles.
980
00:50:57,467 --> 00:51:00,433
It accentuatedNilsson's reputation
981
00:51:00,467 --> 00:51:04,133
for producing anarchicand eccentric work.
982
00:51:04,233 --> 00:51:08,734
That was, uh, that's a good way
to describe Harry Nilsson.
983
00:51:09,033 --> 00:51:11,567
He was an anarchist,
to some degree.
984
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,767
Uh, but, you know,
"You're Breakin' My Heart",
985
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,367
that's typical Harry Nilsson.
986
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:20,533
Fun, and, uh, speaking his mind
and, uh, you know,
987
00:51:20,567 --> 00:51:22,834
little dirty words here
once in a while.
988
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:25,467
It's not really
a dirty word anymore, is it?
989
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:28,767
I mean, Nilsson is not only
a great singer and composer,
990
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,066
but he's an excellent pianist.
991
00:51:30,433 --> 00:51:33,000
And he played
on several tracks by Nilsson.
992
00:51:33,433 --> 00:51:36,333
I think it was probably
during that time in LA
993
00:51:36,367 --> 00:51:38,000
when there was
a lot of partying going on,
994
00:51:38,033 --> 00:51:40,433
like the Hollywood Vampires
and John Lennon
995
00:51:40,467 --> 00:51:43,300
and Keith Moon
going a bit nuts in the studio.
996
00:51:43,667 --> 00:51:46,767
And I imagine Nicky
was part of that party,
997
00:51:47,500 --> 00:51:49,834
and maybe that night,
Nilsson was too drunk.
998
00:51:49,867 --> 00:51:51,066
So he said, you play the piano.
999
00:51:51,367 --> 00:51:53,467
BOB: Harry Nilssonthoroughly enjoyed
1000
00:51:53,533 --> 00:51:56,033
and appreciatedwhat Nicky brought
1001
00:51:56,066 --> 00:51:57,867
to the recording sessions.
1002
00:51:57,900 --> 00:52:03,133
The end result? Nicky playedon nine out of the 11 tracks.
1003
00:52:05,066 --> 00:52:07,033
[Music fades]
1004
00:52:08,066 --> 00:52:13,533
He was a white man from
Sheffield, uh, England, right?
1005
00:52:14,033 --> 00:52:16,867
And, but he sounded like
a Black man
1006
00:52:16,934 --> 00:52:19,900
that had maybe been born
in Mississippi.
1007
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:26,133
And he was just extraordinary,
Joe, just incredible.
1008
00:52:26,467 --> 00:52:28,700
BOB: Nicky's friendshipwith Joe Cocker
1009
00:52:28,734 --> 00:52:31,400
was, from the outset, unlikely.
1010
00:52:31,433 --> 00:52:34,000
The wild party manfrom Sheffield
1011
00:52:34,033 --> 00:52:37,266
and the quietretiring piano player.
1012
00:52:37,300 --> 00:52:41,033
It's not so much
Nicky Hopkins' intro
1013
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:46,867
to, um, "You Are So Beautiful",
which is, um, genius.
1014
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:53,000
But it's his touch in general.
Um, his sense of melody.
1015
00:52:53,533 --> 00:52:57,133
But he, I didn't even think
his fingers were moving.
1016
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,200
He had such a beautiful touch.
1017
00:52:59,333 --> 00:53:01,533
There's "You Are So Beautiful",
1018
00:53:01,567 --> 00:53:04,700
and there's
"Bridge Over Troubled Water",
1019
00:53:05,266 --> 00:53:11,266
Larry Knechtel on piano, and I,
I put them on the same level.
1020
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,066
It's a song that Nicky
was particularly proud of.
1021
00:53:14,433 --> 00:53:17,400
Um, and you can see why,
it's a beautiful piano part.
1022
00:53:17,767 --> 00:53:21,700
It has different textures in,
he varies which register he's in
1023
00:53:21,734 --> 00:53:24,634
to bring different weight
into different sections.
1024
00:53:24,867 --> 00:53:26,634
Uh, and it really sort of
shows the,
1025
00:53:26,667 --> 00:53:30,200
the kind of sensitivity
and vulnerability of the lyrics.
1026
00:53:30,233 --> 00:53:35,400
But Nicky's playing on
"You Are So Beautiful" is just,
1027
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:40,333
I mean, I get goosebumps
when I listen to it every time.
1028
00:53:40,367 --> 00:53:43,767
You know, to this day,
it's one of the most beautiful
1029
00:53:44,066 --> 00:53:46,500
backing tracks for any person.
1030
00:53:46,867 --> 00:53:48,200
And of course,
it was Joe Cocker.
1031
00:53:48,533 --> 00:53:53,066
BOB: In 1976, Joe, who'd beenstruggling with debts,
1032
00:53:53,266 --> 00:53:57,667
agreed on a tour of New Zealand,Australia, and South America.
1033
00:53:57,700 --> 00:53:59,400
They got along really well.
1034
00:53:59,433 --> 00:54:04,066
I think when Joe decided to go
back out on the road again,
1035
00:54:04,100 --> 00:54:07,300
he wanted Nicky
and Bobby Keyes with him.
1036
00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:11,000
And, uh, they had
all sorts of adventures.
1037
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,166
This was before Nicky
actually went to rehab.
1038
00:54:15,433 --> 00:54:17,567
[Music fades]
1039
00:54:18,033 --> 00:54:19,634
[Piano plays]
1040
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,567
There's a track on the Airwaves
album called "The Dreamer",
1041
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,233
and that's probably
the outstanding piano track.
1042
00:54:27,266 --> 00:54:31,367
Uh, at one point, the song
reverts back to the intro,
1043
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,300
which is just acoustic guitar
1044
00:54:33,333 --> 00:54:35,867
and little sprinkles
of piano on,
1045
00:54:35,934 --> 00:54:40,300
and then me playing guitar
with the volume knob.
1046
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,133
I listen to it to this day,
and it's just tears.
1047
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,233
BOB: Badfingeroriginated from the UK,
1048
00:54:47,266 --> 00:54:50,467
but had morphed intoa West Coast band.
1049
00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:54,400
Joe tells us about recordingtheir album Airwaves.
1050
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:58,433
So, uh, we discussed
Nicky and Joe
1051
00:54:58,467 --> 00:55:01,300
and Tom had run into 'em
at Abbey Road,
1052
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,834
or working with the Beatles
a few times.
1053
00:55:03,867 --> 00:55:08,300
And, uh, the name came up
and me, I went, "twist my arm".
1054
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,834
It was a dream come true.
Having him play piano.
1055
00:55:12,500 --> 00:55:15,400
Uh, I don't know what it
is about English guys.
1056
00:55:15,700 --> 00:55:20,033
They don't drive.
None of 'em drove at the time.
1057
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:26,066
They were like, "We don't drive.
We get driven around."
1058
00:55:26,367 --> 00:55:28,800
Okay.
"Go pick Nicky up."
1059
00:55:28,834 --> 00:55:31,300
He's living in, uh, Canoga Park.
1060
00:55:31,533 --> 00:55:34,767
I get the address
and bring him to rehearsal.
1061
00:55:35,500 --> 00:55:38,667
Showed up at the front door
and knock on the door.
1062
00:55:40,166 --> 00:55:43,033
Guy's standing there
in his underwear,
1063
00:55:43,900 --> 00:55:50,567
got messing around with his eyes
and his hair's all messed up,
1064
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,333
and there's Joe Cocker
opening the front door.
1065
00:55:54,634 --> 00:55:58,800
And he looked like John Belushi
imitating Joe Cocker.
1066
00:55:58,867 --> 00:56:02,634
Apparently they'd been up having
too much fun the night before,
1067
00:56:02,667 --> 00:56:05,100
and they were sharing a place
together at the time.
1068
00:56:05,133 --> 00:56:07,800
That was the first time
I'd ever met Nicky.
1069
00:56:08,834 --> 00:56:10,367
[Music fades]
1070
00:56:13,667 --> 00:56:17,300
I'll tell you what impressed me
about Nicky the most was
1071
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,200
after working with the Rumour,
1072
00:56:19,233 --> 00:56:22,934
who it was a bit painstaking
getting them to learn my songs,
1073
00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:25,133
and they generally
deconstructed them
1074
00:56:25,166 --> 00:56:26,600
and tried to do something else
with them
1075
00:56:26,634 --> 00:56:28,600
before coming back to the song.
1076
00:56:29,166 --> 00:56:33,634
But Nicky, um,
he'd listened to the song once
1077
00:56:33,967 --> 00:56:38,266
and play through with a,
you know, a take.
1078
00:56:38,300 --> 00:56:40,734
We'd do a take
with Nicky playing.
1079
00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:43,400
He'd play through it once,
and that was all.
1080
00:56:43,433 --> 00:56:46,066
I didn't have to tell him
anything after that.
1081
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:47,500
He'd learned it.
1082
00:56:47,700 --> 00:56:49,967
Well, bands couldn't live
in the studios forever.
1083
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,533
They were expected to go out
1084
00:56:51,567 --> 00:56:53,300
and entertain all the people
that bought their albums.
1085
00:56:53,333 --> 00:56:56,166
And, uh, it was the biggest
money spinner, really.
1086
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:00,066
It was to go on a major epic
tour of Europe or America,
1087
00:57:00,166 --> 00:57:01,400
or even to Japan.
1088
00:57:01,433 --> 00:57:04,800
[Crowd applauds]
1089
00:57:07,467 --> 00:57:09,133
BOB: Graham Parkerand The Rumour
1090
00:57:09,166 --> 00:57:11,567
had a big followingin Germany.
1091
00:57:11,667 --> 00:57:15,266
When they were invited to playone of the Rock Palace concerts,
1092
00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:18,667
Nicky decided to accompanyhis friend.
1093
00:57:18,767 --> 00:57:21,066
[Sings]: ♪ All sensation
1094
00:57:21,166 --> 00:57:24,166
♪ So get them, get them
1095
00:57:24,533 --> 00:57:27,100
♪ But don't get me
1096
00:57:27,567 --> 00:57:29,934
♪ Can't hear, your cries
1097
00:57:30,266 --> 00:57:36,767
♪ So don't get me to fill upyour empty lives
1098
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,233
♪ Your empty lives
1099
00:57:40,734 --> 00:57:43,133
♪ Your empty lives
1100
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,066
♪ Your empty lives ♪
1101
00:57:46,934 --> 00:57:49,066
[Music fades]
1102
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:51,467
[Solemn piano plays]
1103
00:57:51,834 --> 00:57:55,333
BOB: For Nicky, whose health wasfragile at the best of times,
1104
00:57:55,367 --> 00:57:58,800
the Rolling Stones' 50-showschedule was grueling
1105
00:57:58,834 --> 00:58:01,900
to the point that it had becomea dangerous factor.
1106
00:58:02,166 --> 00:58:04,133
There was a lot of downtime
doing nothing.
1107
00:58:04,266 --> 00:58:05,967
You know, to be honest,
they had their,
1108
00:58:06,066 --> 00:58:09,433
their bit on stage was fantastic
for that two hours.
1109
00:58:09,467 --> 00:58:10,767
It was fantastic,
1110
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,233
and they wanted to carry
that on, really, afterwards.
1111
00:58:13,266 --> 00:58:14,900
Crohn's can be very challenging,
1112
00:58:14,934 --> 00:58:18,000
especially when you're on a long
tour and you're not eating well.
1113
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:19,834
He physically wasn't very well,
1114
00:58:19,867 --> 00:58:22,166
but, you know, he had a lot of
problems all through his life
1115
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,266
with his, uh, health.
1116
00:58:24,834 --> 00:58:26,567
And so he was ill a lot.
1117
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,367
So when I first came into
the position with the Stones
1118
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,467
and Stu and I became good
friends, I asked him, I said,
1119
00:58:32,500 --> 00:58:37,100
Stu, look, I'm real happy to be
here, don't get me wrong,
1120
00:58:37,133 --> 00:58:38,533
but where's Nicky?
1121
00:58:38,567 --> 00:58:39,934
Why isn't Nick Hopkins here?
1122
00:58:39,967 --> 00:58:42,300
And they said, with Nicky,
bless his heart,
1123
00:58:42,667 --> 00:58:44,166
he always had health problems.
1124
00:58:44,233 --> 00:58:46,934
And so the band was scared
that'd be on tour,
1125
00:58:46,967 --> 00:58:49,333
and that, you know,
a major date coming up,
1126
00:58:49,367 --> 00:58:51,033
and he'd have
some kind of attack
1127
00:58:51,066 --> 00:58:52,467
and couldn't make the show.
1128
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,000
[Music fades]
1129
00:58:56,100 --> 00:58:58,233
Like many of us back in the day,
1130
00:58:58,300 --> 00:59:02,233
uh, Nicky did have a bit of
a drinking problem, I guess.
1131
00:59:03,834 --> 00:59:06,533
Mostly a problem
because of his ill health
1132
00:59:06,634 --> 00:59:08,133
and frail constitution.
1133
00:59:08,166 --> 00:59:09,734
I know that Nicky took drugs.
1134
00:59:09,767 --> 00:59:14,066
He was, uh, in pain, and
he took to drugs for his pain.
1135
00:59:14,133 --> 00:59:15,934
I doubt that he was an addict,
1136
00:59:16,033 --> 00:59:17,500
in the classical sense.
1137
00:59:17,533 --> 00:59:21,066
The medical profession
defines an addict
1138
00:59:21,100 --> 00:59:25,634
as someone who has a disruption
in their psychosocial,
1139
00:59:25,667 --> 00:59:27,166
um, functioning.
1140
00:59:27,266 --> 00:59:28,900
And Nicky had none of those.
1141
00:59:29,133 --> 00:59:32,834
With me, however,
it grew so out of control.
1142
00:59:32,934 --> 00:59:36,367
I mean, I was doing
pretty much every drug,
1143
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,266
every existing drug to the max
and then beyond.
1144
00:59:40,300 --> 00:59:43,867
He had about a 10 year bout,
more or less,
1145
00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:45,634
with drugs and alcohol.
1146
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,567
He was the wrong person
to be living that lifestyle.
1147
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,500
He wasn't strong enough for it,
and he got...
1148
00:59:52,533 --> 00:59:56,100
It took him to a very, very
bad place eventually.
1149
00:59:56,133 --> 00:59:59,233
I mean, he would,
he would talk to me about it.
1150
00:59:59,266 --> 01:00:03,767
He would talk to me about
the stupid things that he did.
1151
01:00:04,100 --> 01:00:05,967
And, um, you know,
1152
01:00:06,066 --> 01:00:08,767
and of course he'd,
he'd suffered physically
1153
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,934
for a number of years with,
I think it was Crohn's disease.
1154
01:00:11,967 --> 01:00:14,433
So I think the combination
of Crohn's disease
1155
01:00:14,500 --> 01:00:17,734
and the other excesses
of being on the road
1156
01:00:17,767 --> 01:00:21,700
at that particular period, um,
weren't helpful to him.
1157
01:00:21,934 --> 01:00:23,433
I was working with Chick Corea,
1158
01:00:23,667 --> 01:00:26,133
and I got a call from
Artist Relations at Moog,
1159
01:00:26,166 --> 01:00:27,634
a friend of mine,
Robbie Konikoff,
1160
01:00:27,667 --> 01:00:29,533
and he said, "Rory,
I have a favor of you."
1161
01:00:29,567 --> 01:00:31,834
I said, what's that? He goes,
"Do you know Nicky Hopkins?"
1162
01:00:31,867 --> 01:00:35,000
And I, I went,
yeah, of course I do.
1163
01:00:35,033 --> 01:00:36,800
And I lit up because I was like,
where's this going?
1164
01:00:36,834 --> 01:00:38,333
I get to meet him, you know?
1165
01:00:38,367 --> 01:00:40,433
And he said, "Well,
he really wants to meet Chick.
1166
01:00:40,467 --> 01:00:44,133
Can you set that up?"
And I said, of course. You know.
1167
01:00:44,233 --> 01:00:47,767
So I asked Chick, I said,
Chick, I know we're rehearsing,
1168
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,133
but Nicky Hopkins is in town
1169
01:00:50,166 --> 01:00:51,233
and would really like to
meet you.
1170
01:00:51,266 --> 01:00:52,533
Can we make this happen?
1171
01:00:52,567 --> 01:00:53,834
He goes, "Absolutely,
and bring him in."
1172
01:00:54,233 --> 01:00:56,333
So Chick comes out
very cordial and happy,
1173
01:00:56,367 --> 01:00:58,634
and, you know, he's rehearsing,
this is going great.
1174
01:00:58,667 --> 01:01:01,133
Nicky said, "Chick,
what a pleasure to meet you."
1175
01:01:01,166 --> 01:01:03,000
And puts his hand out,
shakes his hand.
1176
01:01:03,033 --> 01:01:04,767
He goes, "How are you doing?"
1177
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,033
And Chick said,
"Great man, great."
1178
01:01:06,367 --> 01:01:08,800
He goes, "How are you doing?"
1179
01:01:08,834 --> 01:01:10,700
And it got really quiet
1180
01:01:10,734 --> 01:01:13,467
and Nicky looks at Chick
and said, "Not so good."
1181
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:15,467
Chick goes,
"Well, what's wrong?"
1182
01:01:15,500 --> 01:01:17,100
Goes, "Uh, doctor told me
I have two weeks to live
1183
01:01:17,133 --> 01:01:18,367
unless I quit heroin."
1184
01:01:18,667 --> 01:01:22,100
And Chick said,
"I'm gonna get you into rehab."
1185
01:01:22,634 --> 01:01:28,000
And Chick called a few phone
numbers, got him into rehab,
1186
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,734
and that probably saved his life
at that moment.
1187
01:01:30,767 --> 01:01:33,333
I went in pretty negatively.
I didn't think it would work,
1188
01:01:33,367 --> 01:01:35,000
I didn't think anything
could work.
1189
01:01:35,033 --> 01:01:36,233
I thought, well,
it's the only thing I know.
1190
01:01:36,266 --> 01:01:39,700
It's like a last ditch effort.
1191
01:01:39,734 --> 01:01:42,033
And much to my surprise,
it did work.
1192
01:01:42,066 --> 01:01:44,567
I mean, which amazed me.
1193
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,000
[Electric guitar plays]
1194
01:01:47,033 --> 01:01:51,500
I first met Nicky Hopkins
in 1985,
1195
01:01:51,667 --> 01:01:54,734
and it was for a session
when I,
1196
01:01:54,834 --> 01:01:56,200
The Stray Cats
were taking a break,
1197
01:01:56,233 --> 01:01:58,066
and we all made solo records.
1198
01:01:58,433 --> 01:02:01,533
And Lee Rocker and myself
teamed up with Earl Slick.
1199
01:02:01,567 --> 01:02:04,867
And like I said, Earl Slick
knew Nicky from the past.
1200
01:02:04,900 --> 01:02:06,433
We were
at the point of the record
1201
01:02:06,467 --> 01:02:08,900
where we needed the piano,
Slick called Nicky.
1202
01:02:08,934 --> 01:02:10,166
Nicky came to Capital Studios.
1203
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,133
He had a rock and roll style,
1204
01:02:12,166 --> 01:02:18,500
but very melodic and
a soft touch without tinkling.
1205
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:22,433
He had a great technique
and a good pounding of the keys,
1206
01:02:22,467 --> 01:02:23,967
but in a melodic way.
1207
01:02:24,166 --> 01:02:29,166
Very, um, unusual combination
that's wanted by everybody.
1208
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,634
So he wound up playing
on three tracks.
1209
01:02:31,667 --> 01:02:35,400
There was one track called, uh,
"No Regrets" that he played on.
1210
01:02:35,433 --> 01:02:38,567
There was another track
called "Lonely Actions"
1211
01:02:38,900 --> 01:02:40,567
that was almost like a ballad,
1212
01:02:40,734 --> 01:02:43,000
but not quite, a little bit
of a rock beat to it.
1213
01:02:43,100 --> 01:02:45,867
And then he played on one called
"Time Is On My Hands",
1214
01:02:46,066 --> 01:02:50,934
which is a, which is a
straight-up blues in appearance.
1215
01:02:50,967 --> 01:02:52,634
But the chord changes
are a little bit different.
1216
01:02:52,667 --> 01:02:56,200
It's a little, not quite as,
uh, trad blues.
1217
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,367
And Nicky played
beautifully on it.
1218
01:03:01,066 --> 01:03:03,300
[Music fades]
1219
01:03:04,967 --> 01:03:07,333
[Upbeat piano plays]
1220
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:17,667
This tribute was planned.
1221
01:03:17,700 --> 01:03:21,533
And then, you know, it was only
about four weeks after,
1222
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,533
after John died that the tribute
happened at the Fillmore.
1223
01:03:26,033 --> 01:03:28,467
Uh, oh, bloody hell.
I, I really should be there.
1224
01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:31,367
Nicky, uh, heard about
John's passing
1225
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:36,333
and the tribute
and was actually on tour
1226
01:03:36,367 --> 01:03:38,800
with Art Garfunkel in Australia.
1227
01:03:38,834 --> 01:03:41,634
And he got on a plane
and made sure
1228
01:03:41,667 --> 01:03:43,100
he was at the Fillmore
1229
01:03:43,133 --> 01:03:47,400
to, to memorialize
John's legacy there.
1230
01:03:47,567 --> 01:03:50,367
[Upbeat music plays]
1231
01:03:54,433 --> 01:03:57,367
BOB: And when John passed away,he'd not only lost
1232
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,700
a very close friend,he'd lost a kindred spirit.
1233
01:04:01,233 --> 01:04:04,000
It seemed fitting that Nickywould reunite with
1234
01:04:04,033 --> 01:04:08,233
Terry and the Piratesto say farewell to John.
1235
01:04:09,634 --> 01:04:14,734
[Music and piano continue]
1236
01:04:27,634 --> 01:04:30,767
[Music fades to rock song]
1237
01:04:31,333 --> 01:04:33,934
There was one song called
"Don't Touch Me".
1238
01:04:34,233 --> 01:04:37,467
Uh, I had this kind of little
modal guitar intro
1239
01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:38,934
and this cool beat,
1240
01:04:38,967 --> 01:04:40,800
and it was,
it's just a classic Nicky thing
1241
01:04:40,834 --> 01:04:42,767
'cause I play a lick
and there's a hole,
1242
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,600
play a lick
and there's a hole, play...
1243
01:04:44,634 --> 01:04:47,200
There's about four or five of
those before I started singing.
1244
01:04:47,467 --> 01:04:51,867
And right off the bat, I played
this very kind of classic,
1245
01:04:51,900 --> 01:04:54,967
um, I, this is a bad word,
it's not classical,
1246
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,400
but it was a little demented.
1247
01:04:56,567 --> 01:04:59,467
It was off the rock path,
and instantly in the hole,
1248
01:04:59,500 --> 01:05:02,266
Nicky started doing
demented answering,
1249
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,634
and it was just
completely natural,
1250
01:05:04,667 --> 01:05:06,033
like when we were jamming.
1251
01:05:06,066 --> 01:05:08,367
So Nicky was mostly on piano
all the time.
1252
01:05:08,433 --> 01:05:11,266
And, uh, as we went
from song to song,
1253
01:05:11,300 --> 01:05:13,300
Jeffrey and I would, uh,
arrange the songs
1254
01:05:13,333 --> 01:05:14,834
and be pretty together with
1255
01:05:14,867 --> 01:05:16,166
here's the arrangement,
here's the chord.
1256
01:05:16,433 --> 01:05:18,600
So right off the bat,
especially with Nicky,
1257
01:05:18,634 --> 01:05:21,533
when we started recording,
he was already, uh,
1258
01:05:21,567 --> 01:05:25,266
with no real direction from us
other than: "Be Nicky Hopkins".
1259
01:05:25,367 --> 01:05:27,233
He was already orchestrating
the music.
1260
01:05:27,333 --> 01:05:29,166
You know, he would do
these octave themes
1261
01:05:29,266 --> 01:05:31,667
and just naturally,
he would pull back
1262
01:05:31,700 --> 01:05:33,066
when the singing was happening.
1263
01:05:33,100 --> 01:05:35,200
When the singing stopped,
he'd lean into it.
1264
01:05:35,233 --> 01:05:38,867
But it was always very thematic
and cinematic, in a way.
1265
01:05:38,900 --> 01:05:41,800
And it was just, you know,
beautiful, you know,
1266
01:05:41,834 --> 01:05:43,800
session work, improv by Nicky.
1267
01:05:45,834 --> 01:05:47,467
[Music fades]
1268
01:05:50,066 --> 01:05:53,467
He had a famously difficult
girlfriend-wife,
1269
01:05:53,500 --> 01:05:55,033
his first wife Dolly,
1270
01:05:55,066 --> 01:05:57,333
who was very ambitious
for Nicky to be a rock star.
1271
01:05:57,367 --> 01:06:00,266
And probably prompted him
into a solo career,
1272
01:06:00,300 --> 01:06:01,767
which was not his strength.
1273
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,233
He wasn't a front man,
he was a side man.
1274
01:06:04,266 --> 01:06:07,667
He was a brilliant side man,
but not a front man.
1275
01:06:07,700 --> 01:06:09,367
I think his wife, Dolly,
1276
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,200
was handling most of
his business at the time.
1277
01:06:12,433 --> 01:06:20,100
Dolly was combination, wife,
lover, babysitter, um,
1278
01:06:20,934 --> 01:06:22,500
mother, all of the above.
1279
01:06:22,533 --> 01:06:25,400
For about three years,
everything was fine.
1280
01:06:25,433 --> 01:06:26,834
They got along fine.
1281
01:06:26,867 --> 01:06:30,767
And, um, you know,
they had fun together.
1282
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:36,333
But, um, I think, uh,
something changed.
1283
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,133
He said it was a challenging
relationship, really.
1284
01:06:40,266 --> 01:06:46,700
But he didn't want
to disparage her at all.
1285
01:06:46,734 --> 01:06:48,600
He was very gentlemanly
like that.
1286
01:06:48,634 --> 01:06:52,567
And, you know, it was grey.
It was faults on both sides.
1287
01:06:52,634 --> 01:06:56,233
They grew apart because...
1288
01:06:57,834 --> 01:07:02,300
well, Nicky had gone to rehab
1289
01:07:02,867 --> 01:07:09,600
and I believe Dolly did too,
but she didn't stick with it.
1290
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:16,233
So quite honestly, she,
she was still drinking,
1291
01:07:16,634 --> 01:07:22,467
whereas he had stopped, you
know, but that's very difficult.
1292
01:07:22,500 --> 01:07:26,767
Like, if, you know,
you've just gone through rehab
1293
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,033
and then there's somebody
living in the same household,
1294
01:07:30,500 --> 01:07:33,467
you know,
who is drinking every day.
1295
01:07:33,834 --> 01:07:35,900
It's, it's difficult.
1296
01:07:36,100 --> 01:07:39,667
I, yeah, when I first met,
uh, Moira with Nicky,
1297
01:07:39,834 --> 01:07:43,100
I thought, whoa, he's landed
on his feet with this lady.
1298
01:07:43,333 --> 01:07:47,266
It was instantly,
uh, the way
1299
01:07:47,300 --> 01:07:50,266
I'd like to see my friend
with somebody like that.
1300
01:07:50,300 --> 01:07:51,900
It's, it was a very nice thing.
1301
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,266
Somebody took me up
to meet Nicky
1302
01:07:54,300 --> 01:07:56,000
and I was introduced to him,
1303
01:07:56,033 --> 01:07:57,567
and he shook my hand.
1304
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:03,333
And, um, you know, uh,
I can't remember what we said,
1305
01:08:03,500 --> 01:08:10,600
but he was so kind and so nice
that I walked away
1306
01:08:10,767 --> 01:08:14,000
and I said to my friend,
I said, "Wow."
1307
01:08:14,066 --> 01:08:17,166
I said, I wish I could marry
somebody like Nicky Hopkins,
1308
01:08:17,333 --> 01:08:18,800
[She laughs]
1309
01:08:18,834 --> 01:08:20,333
'cause he's so nice.
1310
01:08:20,367 --> 01:08:26,200
You know, he was just,
just a wonderful human being.
1311
01:08:26,333 --> 01:08:29,734
And it,
it kind of shone through.
1312
01:08:32,667 --> 01:08:38,200
You know, Nicky liked Art,
and Art liked Nicky,
1313
01:08:38,233 --> 01:08:39,600
and he loved his work.
1314
01:08:39,634 --> 01:08:41,433
Nicky called me and he said,
1315
01:08:41,467 --> 01:08:43,767
"I'm doing this show
with Art Garfunkel
1316
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,867
on the Tonight Show
with Johnny Carson,
1317
01:08:45,967 --> 01:08:47,300
and we need strings.
1318
01:08:47,333 --> 01:08:49,200
Will you play the strings
for us?"
1319
01:08:49,233 --> 01:08:51,734
I started playing these great
orchestral string sounds,
1320
01:08:51,767 --> 01:08:53,400
and Art was like,
1321
01:08:53,433 --> 01:08:57,433
"What I'm looking for is
a snowbird walking on snow.
1322
01:08:57,533 --> 01:08:59,867
Real thin, simple. Boom."
1323
01:08:59,934 --> 01:09:01,567
I'm watching Nicky
play the intro,
1324
01:09:01,667 --> 01:09:05,734
and he just does this simple,
beautiful... wasn't simple.
1325
01:09:05,900 --> 01:09:07,133
He makes it look simple.
1326
01:09:07,166 --> 01:09:09,500
This beautiful intro
to this song.
1327
01:09:09,767 --> 01:09:14,734
Art comes in, and even
as a musician, you well up,
1328
01:09:14,767 --> 01:09:16,634
you get the chills,
the hair goes up,
1329
01:09:16,667 --> 01:09:18,800
and you're like,
this is magic.
1330
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,400
[Sings]: ♪ Here I am
1331
01:09:22,700 --> 01:09:26,266
♪ Alone on the plain
1332
01:09:27,233 --> 01:09:31,533
♪ Sun's going down
1333
01:09:32,133 --> 01:09:36,133
♪ It's starting to rain
1334
01:09:36,767 --> 01:09:41,200
♪ Papa, we'll go sailing ♪
1335
01:09:41,734 --> 01:09:42,967
[Music fades]
1336
01:09:43,367 --> 01:09:46,533
When Art, uh,
played the Albert Hall,
1337
01:09:46,867 --> 01:09:51,233
and, uh, Nicky was, you know,
not only playing the piano,
1338
01:09:51,433 --> 01:09:53,934
he was also his music director.
1339
01:09:54,734 --> 01:10:00,100
Art took a, a break,
you know, um, for his voice,
1340
01:10:00,166 --> 01:10:03,900
like, just for about
5 or 10 minutes,
1341
01:10:04,133 --> 01:10:09,200
and he introduced Nicky
as the legendary Nicky Hopkins
1342
01:10:09,233 --> 01:10:11,834
playing his own composition.
1343
01:10:12,100 --> 01:10:14,667
And, uh, it was a piece
that Nicky wrote
1344
01:10:14,700 --> 01:10:16,634
when he came back to Britain.
1345
01:10:16,734 --> 01:10:19,433
He was so happy to be home that
1346
01:10:19,467 --> 01:10:23,600
he wrote this piece of music
called "The Homecoming",
1347
01:10:23,634 --> 01:10:26,166
and he played it
at the Royal Albert Hall.
1348
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:31,834
And that was very nice of Art
to allow him to do that.
1349
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:36,433
[Soft piano plays]
1350
01:10:51,634 --> 01:10:54,033
JIM: Nicky Hopkins was
the kind of piano player
1351
01:10:54,066 --> 01:10:55,467
that you needed
1352
01:10:55,500 --> 01:10:58,767
if you were gonna play
with Art Garfunkel.
1353
01:10:58,834 --> 01:10:59,967
Artie knew that.
1354
01:11:00,066 --> 01:11:02,800
And, uh, to his credit,
you know,
1355
01:11:03,367 --> 01:11:06,367
they made
some great music together.
1356
01:11:06,734 --> 01:11:09,400
[Soft piano plays]
1357
01:11:10,166 --> 01:11:15,300
I met Nicky in February, 1987
through Gray Levett,
1358
01:11:15,567 --> 01:11:18,367
who was representing Nicky
at the time.
1359
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:20,767
Woody Woodmansey
had introduced me to Gray
1360
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,367
because I left
Dexys Midnight Runners
1361
01:11:25,033 --> 01:11:27,400
and I was forging
a new career, um,
1362
01:11:27,433 --> 01:11:29,567
and writing
an instrumental album.
1363
01:11:29,634 --> 01:11:31,233
And when I met Gray, he said,
1364
01:11:31,266 --> 01:11:36,734
"Nick is doing a similar project
writing instrumental music."
1365
01:11:36,867 --> 01:11:38,900
So he said, "Why don't
you two get together?"
1366
01:11:38,934 --> 01:11:42,400
And the thought of playing
with Nicky was, um,
1367
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,033
a dream come true, really,
I suppose.
1368
01:11:46,066 --> 01:11:49,400
And that was the start of
a musical relationship
1369
01:11:49,433 --> 01:11:50,600
and our friendship.
1370
01:11:50,867 --> 01:11:53,667
He loved being back in,
uh, England.
1371
01:11:53,767 --> 01:11:55,500
He'd moved from America,
1372
01:11:55,533 --> 01:11:58,800
and I came over from America
and joined him.
1373
01:11:58,934 --> 01:12:03,266
And then we got married
at, um, Hever Castle.
1374
01:12:03,300 --> 01:12:04,667
It was at Hever Castle.
1375
01:12:04,934 --> 01:12:09,634
The special guest of honor
was Art Garfunkel,
1376
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,934
and his, uh, his wife.
1377
01:12:12,066 --> 01:12:13,734
It was a great day.
It was a sunny day.
1378
01:12:13,767 --> 01:12:18,133
We had, you know, um,
someone playing the bagpipes,
1379
01:12:18,166 --> 01:12:21,600
dressed up in
the Highland attire.
1380
01:12:21,934 --> 01:12:24,066
We had to go back to America,
1381
01:12:24,133 --> 01:12:27,400
because he was missing
a lot of work.
1382
01:12:27,634 --> 01:12:31,934
You know, Joe Cocker
had been looking for him,
1383
01:12:31,967 --> 01:12:34,166
wanted to come play
on an album.
1384
01:12:34,233 --> 01:12:38,600
And, um, someone else,
I can't think who it was now,
1385
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:42,900
but, um, so we wound up,
we, we went back to LA.
1386
01:12:42,934 --> 01:12:45,200
[Music fades]
1387
01:12:45,967 --> 01:12:48,000
[Rock music plays]
1388
01:12:48,033 --> 01:12:53,734
You know, we had, I think,
met with Nicky,
1389
01:12:53,767 --> 01:12:56,333
uh, when we were getting,
1390
01:12:56,367 --> 01:12:59,900
when we were looking for people
to be in the band.
1391
01:13:00,266 --> 01:13:03,600
I think we met with him just to
have the thrill of meeting Nicky
1392
01:13:03,634 --> 01:13:06,900
because he was,
I think he was busy at the time.
1393
01:13:07,467 --> 01:13:10,734
And so we just thought, well,
let's, let's have a meeting.
1394
01:13:10,767 --> 01:13:12,133
We weren't jerking him off
or anything.
1395
01:13:12,166 --> 01:13:14,133
We just wanted to say,
we're doing this
1396
01:13:14,166 --> 01:13:16,133
and you're doing that,
and how great.
1397
01:13:16,166 --> 01:13:18,734
But he was working.
1398
01:13:21,467 --> 01:13:23,734
I think he would've been
too good for us,
1399
01:13:23,934 --> 01:13:25,400
you know,
what we were trying to do.
1400
01:13:25,433 --> 01:13:27,000
We weren't trying
to do bad music,
1401
01:13:27,033 --> 01:13:29,533
but I mean,
Nicky was a virtuoso.
1402
01:13:29,567 --> 01:13:32,734
I think we would've had trouble
making that funny.
1403
01:13:32,867 --> 01:13:36,567
And then when,
when "Rainy Day Sun" came up,
1404
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:38,500
we just thought, that's the guy.
1405
01:13:38,533 --> 01:13:41,467
We're not asking him to be in
something for 28 days.
1406
01:13:41,500 --> 01:13:43,834
We're asking him to come
to a session.
1407
01:13:43,967 --> 01:13:46,600
And, uh, we got it.
We got it together.
1408
01:13:46,634 --> 01:13:50,800
MOIRA: Well, when Nicky did
the recording with Spinal Tap,
1409
01:13:50,900 --> 01:13:52,934
I took him down to the studio
1410
01:13:53,100 --> 01:13:55,867
and he was asking
Christopher Guest
1411
01:13:55,900 --> 01:14:02,066
if he didn't, like, model his
part in Spinal Tap on Jeff Beck.
1412
01:14:02,100 --> 01:14:03,533
He said, go on, just tell me.
1413
01:14:03,567 --> 01:14:06,000
He goes, you were Jeff Beck,
weren't you?
1414
01:14:06,033 --> 01:14:07,500
[She laughs]
1415
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,300
And he wouldn't tell him.
He wouldn't admit to it.
1416
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:13,900
You know, part of the thrill
of doing that project was,
1417
01:14:14,266 --> 01:14:18,000
uh, either in the making
or later getting to meet people
1418
01:14:18,033 --> 01:14:20,934
that we really just
thought the world of.
1419
01:14:21,033 --> 01:14:23,667
And, uh, Nicky was absolutely
one of them.
1420
01:14:24,967 --> 01:14:26,967
[Music fades]
1421
01:14:27,166 --> 01:14:29,266
[Jazz song plays]
1422
01:14:29,433 --> 01:14:34,634
Back in '92, Nicky and I
played piano together
1423
01:14:34,667 --> 01:14:36,266
on a, a zero album,
1424
01:14:36,567 --> 01:14:39,867
uh, Chance in a Million
being recorded live
1425
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:43,967
and, uh, at Great American
Music Hall in San Francisco.
1426
01:14:44,300 --> 01:14:46,967
And we just went nuts
and started trading licks
1427
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,300
back and forth
in the, uh, piano solo.
1428
01:14:49,333 --> 01:14:51,934
When I grew up listening to
so many different kinds of music
1429
01:14:51,967 --> 01:14:55,200
that I like a lot of
different kinds of music,
1430
01:14:55,233 --> 01:14:57,867
and I've learned to play them
over the years too.
1431
01:14:57,934 --> 01:15:00,133
I mean,
I've become quite involved in,
1432
01:15:00,166 --> 01:15:03,500
in many different kinds
and different forms of music.
1433
01:15:04,066 --> 01:15:08,600
So I don't feel that it's
necessarily being a dilettante
1434
01:15:08,634 --> 01:15:11,567
with all, with any particular
form of music.
1435
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:15,900
I think I've gotten to know
many kinds of music quite well,
1436
01:15:15,934 --> 01:15:16,967
or very well.
1437
01:15:17,533 --> 01:15:21,767
BOB: The spring of 1993 foundNicky in an upbeat mood.
1438
01:15:21,867 --> 01:15:24,734
Plans had been formedto begin recording
1439
01:15:24,767 --> 01:15:27,300
with Frankie Millerand Joe Walsh.
1440
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:30,800
There were discussions regardinga tour with Harry Nilsson,
1441
01:15:30,900 --> 01:15:34,300
and he had his ownongoing film projects.
1442
01:15:34,867 --> 01:15:39,734
And everything was actually fine
for about two or three years.
1443
01:15:39,767 --> 01:15:44,100
He didn't complain
of any, um, upsets.
1444
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:50,467
And then sadly, um,
'93 wasn't a good year,
1445
01:15:50,767 --> 01:15:56,066
because he had a sudden eruption
that, um, put him in hospital.
1446
01:15:56,100 --> 01:15:57,700
And he was saying
that he was going in
1447
01:15:57,734 --> 01:15:58,967
and out of the hospital.
1448
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:00,967
His Crohn's disease
was kicking in,
1449
01:16:01,467 --> 01:16:04,467
and they were just taking more
intestine out and doing that.
1450
01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:08,767
Even today,
most people after, say,
1451
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,934
10 years of having
Crohn's disease
1452
01:16:10,967 --> 01:16:13,867
has had
some form of surgery.
1453
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,900
But back in Nicky's day,
it probably was the main
1454
01:16:17,934 --> 01:16:21,400
form of treatment in the end,
because there were so few drugs.
1455
01:16:21,467 --> 01:16:24,266
He had to have one organ
or another removed.
1456
01:16:24,367 --> 01:16:27,300
I thought it was his kidney,
but maybe it was something else.
1457
01:16:27,700 --> 01:16:30,600
BOB: Moira receivedmany messages from friends
1458
01:16:30,634 --> 01:16:32,100
for Nicky's recovery,
1459
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:36,100
including an unexpected onefrom an ex-Beetle.
1460
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,834
Paul happened to be in LA
when, uh,
1461
01:16:39,867 --> 01:16:47,500
Nicky was ill in hospital, and
he made a point of calling up
1462
01:16:47,867 --> 01:16:52,333
and, uh, saying to me, "Please
give all the best to Nicky
1463
01:16:52,700 --> 01:16:56,967
and tell him, you know,
I hope that he gets well soon,
1464
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,667
and that, you know,
I'm thinking of him."
1465
01:16:59,934 --> 01:17:03,333
And that was really wonderful.
1466
01:17:03,367 --> 01:17:05,600
[Music fades]
1467
01:17:08,700 --> 01:17:13,300
We were living just up the road
from Joe Walsh in Encino
1468
01:17:13,634 --> 01:17:15,300
in, uh, Los Angeles.
1469
01:17:15,700 --> 01:17:20,066
So Nicky and Joe got together
with Terry Reid,
1470
01:17:20,166 --> 01:17:22,767
and they put this band together
called the Flu.
1471
01:17:22,834 --> 01:17:26,066
That's Joe's idea: "What are
we gonna call it? The Flu?"
1472
01:17:26,100 --> 01:17:27,634
I'm going, oh God, here we go.
1473
01:17:27,834 --> 01:17:31,033
BOB: Joe was in negotiationsfor the reforming of the Eagles,
1474
01:17:31,133 --> 01:17:35,066
but it didn't stop thesethree friends having some fun.
1475
01:17:35,166 --> 01:17:36,900
When you're doing gigs
as a band,
1476
01:17:36,934 --> 01:17:39,567
you know yourself as playing,
you know, when you're playing,
1477
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,400
you remember those gigs.
1478
01:17:42,433 --> 01:17:44,233
INTERVIEWER:
That's quite a lineup, Terry.
1479
01:17:44,266 --> 01:17:47,200
Oh, it's a hell of a, oh, no,
oh, the rehearsals!
1480
01:17:47,233 --> 01:17:49,834
INTERVIEWER: I 'd like
to be a fly on the wall.
1481
01:17:49,934 --> 01:17:52,767
Oh, God, I felt like we were
flies on the wall.
1482
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:54,300
Now when,
when you're doing rehearsals,
1483
01:17:54,333 --> 01:17:56,066
you never knew
what was gonna happen.
1484
01:17:56,266 --> 01:18:00,367
I mean, with Joe, everything,
every, I dunno, I love Joe.
1485
01:18:00,533 --> 01:18:03,734
He is the funniest guy I think
I've ever met in music.
1486
01:18:03,767 --> 01:18:08,100
They had a great concert,
and he was hoping to do more.
1487
01:18:08,433 --> 01:18:13,700
And actually, um,
Nicky did do more with Joe
1488
01:18:14,133 --> 01:18:16,700
and a Scottish singer
called Frankie Miller.
1489
01:18:17,033 --> 01:18:20,567
They recorded about four
or five pieces of music
1490
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:25,266
in this little recording studio
in, uh, Georgia.
1491
01:18:26,166 --> 01:18:29,100
BOB:
1994 began badly for Nicky.
1492
01:18:29,367 --> 01:18:33,367
The Northridge earthquakeoccurred in the early hours
1493
01:18:33,500 --> 01:18:37,433
in the San Fernando Valleyregion of Los Angeles.
1494
01:18:37,767 --> 01:18:42,300
The northern half, which is the,
posher half is built on rock,
1495
01:18:42,734 --> 01:18:47,166
and rock communicates these
vibrations very thoroughly.
1496
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:48,734
It's a good conductor.
1497
01:18:48,767 --> 01:18:50,700
So if you lived in the northern
half of Santa Monica,
1498
01:18:50,734 --> 01:18:52,100
your house did like that,
1499
01:18:52,233 --> 01:18:53,934
and the southern half of
Santa Monica is built on sand,
1500
01:18:53,967 --> 01:18:56,333
which doesn't conduct it
nearly as well.
1501
01:18:56,367 --> 01:18:59,567
All of a sudden,
the entire room started going
1502
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,700
four feet in each direction.
1503
01:19:01,934 --> 01:19:04,934
The earth was like,
for a lack of a better word,
1504
01:19:04,967 --> 01:19:07,166
screaming and moaning
1505
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,834
like these giant sounds
of, like, the earth grinding.
1506
01:19:10,867 --> 01:19:17,233
It was the strangest earthquake
because not only was it like,
1507
01:19:17,266 --> 01:19:20,834
you had to be walking
uphill almost
1508
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:26,033
that the earth was, I mean,
it was moving in chunks,
1509
01:19:26,567 --> 01:19:31,066
and also it was going
from side to side as well.
1510
01:19:31,100 --> 01:19:32,834
The whole city's been decimated.
1511
01:19:32,867 --> 01:19:36,667
Power's out everywhere
and days of, you know,
1512
01:19:36,734 --> 01:19:39,767
reconstruction, if you will,
putting your life back together.
1513
01:19:39,834 --> 01:19:42,333
We could see fires starting up.
1514
01:19:42,867 --> 01:19:45,467
I mean, it was really scary.
1515
01:19:45,533 --> 01:19:49,400
And it was like being
on board ship all that night.
1516
01:19:49,467 --> 01:19:52,867
The aftershocks
just kept rolling through.
1517
01:19:52,900 --> 01:19:55,133
He had enough,
he said, "No, that's it.
1518
01:19:55,233 --> 01:19:57,066
I can't do this anymore."
1519
01:19:57,300 --> 01:20:02,800
And, uh, and he picked up
and, uh, moved to, to Nashville.
1520
01:20:02,834 --> 01:20:05,367
[Slow piano plays]
1521
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:07,066
I'm sure that, um,
1522
01:20:07,100 --> 01:20:10,867
Nicky moving to Nashville
was the best thing for him.
1523
01:20:10,900 --> 01:20:12,533
It definitely was
the best thing for me.
1524
01:20:12,567 --> 01:20:14,166
There were people in Nashville
that were excited
1525
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:16,066
that Nicky Hopkins
had moved to town.
1526
01:20:16,100 --> 01:20:23,700
I think we got there about,
um, in March of, um, '94.
1527
01:20:24,734 --> 01:20:27,867
BOB: Just as they were settlinginto life in Nashville,
1528
01:20:27,900 --> 01:20:30,634
Nicky started to feel unwell.
1529
01:20:30,867 --> 01:20:33,734
He asked me
to take him to a chiropractor
1530
01:20:33,767 --> 01:20:35,867
because he had lower back pain,
1531
01:20:35,900 --> 01:20:38,100
and he never had
lower back pain.
1532
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:42,133
And, and, um, he said that
the chiropractor said,
1533
01:20:42,166 --> 01:20:46,400
"I think that perhaps you might
want to make an appointment
1534
01:20:46,433 --> 01:20:47,934
to see your doctor"
1535
01:20:48,066 --> 01:20:51,367
because, uh, he suspected
something was wrong.
1536
01:20:51,767 --> 01:20:53,734
BOB: Two days later,Nicky and Moira
1537
01:20:53,767 --> 01:20:56,000
celebrated Labor Day together.
1538
01:20:56,066 --> 01:20:59,533
I was feeling tired. I said,
I'm going to go up to bed.
1539
01:20:59,900 --> 01:21:01,233
And, uh, he said, "Well,
1540
01:21:01,266 --> 01:21:03,400
I'm just gonna stay down
for a little while.
1541
01:21:03,500 --> 01:21:08,500
I'm, you know..."
and, uh, so I went up to bed
1542
01:21:08,533 --> 01:21:12,667
and it was about,
I guess I, I don't know,
1543
01:21:12,700 --> 01:21:16,467
I'd fallen asleep, but I,
I heard him yell out,
1544
01:21:16,734 --> 01:21:23,567
and I went running downstairs,
and he was in excruciating pain.
1545
01:21:23,867 --> 01:21:28,767
And, um, I called, uh,
an ambulance.
1546
01:21:28,834 --> 01:21:30,700
I got him to the hospital,
1547
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:35,500
and they wouldn't give him
anything to kill the pain.
1548
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:42,000
They said they had to wait
for his doctor to arrive,
1549
01:21:42,433 --> 01:21:44,667
and he took his time.
1550
01:21:44,934 --> 01:21:50,867
And so, it was too late.
1551
01:21:50,967 --> 01:21:55,500
You know, Nicky couldn't
take it. His heart gave out.
1552
01:22:00,867 --> 01:22:04,834
I just thought I was so lucky,
you know,
1553
01:22:04,867 --> 01:22:07,700
um, to have the marriage I had.
1554
01:22:07,734 --> 01:22:11,367
I had a very,
very happy marriage.
1555
01:22:11,834 --> 01:22:15,033
And I shared my life
with a wonderful,
1556
01:22:15,066 --> 01:22:17,300
wonderful person, you know.
1557
01:22:22,233 --> 01:22:25,166
[Nostalgic music plays]
1558
01:22:25,333 --> 01:22:27,200
Being, you know, a young guy
1559
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,000
at the top of his game
also battling this, you know,
1560
01:22:30,033 --> 01:22:31,800
chronic illness that
no one knows anything about.
1561
01:22:31,834 --> 01:22:34,634
And it's invisible, it's that
people don't really understand.
1562
01:22:34,667 --> 01:22:37,367
And I think that is, you know,
it's kind of heartbreaking
1563
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:39,967
that, you know, he probably
should be still alive right now.
1564
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:41,700
It's important
to remember people
1565
01:22:41,734 --> 01:22:44,867
who made music popular
1566
01:22:44,967 --> 01:22:51,000
and, uh, long lived
with their prowess
1567
01:22:51,033 --> 01:22:54,266
on an instrument
that really does take, uh,
1568
01:22:54,300 --> 01:22:56,967
some work
and some major talent to master.
1569
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:58,934
And he, he certainly
was a master of it.
1570
01:22:58,967 --> 01:23:03,400
I think everyone remembers him
really fondly, and always have.
1571
01:23:03,433 --> 01:23:05,600
And, you know,
I miss Nicky a lot.
1572
01:23:05,634 --> 01:23:10,834
I can't, I can't really explain
just how brilliant he was.
1573
01:23:10,867 --> 01:23:12,900
But the reason why
we're sitting here today
1574
01:23:12,934 --> 01:23:15,000
is because he was
an astonishing musician.
1575
01:23:15,066 --> 01:23:18,200
The like of which
I've never come across since.
1576
01:23:18,233 --> 01:23:19,834
And if you are
musically inclined
1577
01:23:19,867 --> 01:23:23,800
and he had a piano around,
he could...
1578
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:27,600
he could entrance you.
1579
01:23:27,634 --> 01:23:29,166
We became friends so easily.
1580
01:23:29,667 --> 01:23:32,166
It's hard not to be
a friend of, of Nicky's.
1581
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,667
Nicky was a pure musician,
1582
01:23:34,900 --> 01:23:37,333
and his contributions
are purely musical.
1583
01:23:37,367 --> 01:23:41,200
And I think that
that deserves remembering.
1584
01:23:41,233 --> 01:23:43,500
I was talking to him
about his playing
1585
01:23:43,834 --> 01:23:48,266
and, uh, how detailed it was
and how precision he was.
1586
01:23:48,300 --> 01:23:52,133
And he says, well,
I'm Chopin.
1587
01:23:52,834 --> 01:23:55,800
And I said, "What?"
He said, "Yes,
1588
01:23:55,834 --> 01:23:59,200
I'm a reincarnation
of Frederick Chopin."
1589
01:23:59,233 --> 01:24:00,900
And I said, "Okay..."
1590
01:24:00,934 --> 01:24:03,500
And he did more than believe
that he was Frederick Chopin.
1591
01:24:03,533 --> 01:24:06,967
He knew that he was
so positive about that fact
1592
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:10,166
that I just had to believe him.
1593
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:16,133
Nicky did believe, um, that
he was Chopin in another life,
1594
01:24:16,367 --> 01:24:21,433
and he used to play, um,
he listened to a lot of Chopin
1595
01:24:21,467 --> 01:24:25,400
and he used to, you know,
play on the keyboards,
1596
01:24:25,433 --> 01:24:26,667
um, and piano.
1597
01:24:26,900 --> 01:24:30,400
If there was a piano around,
he'd play Chopin.
1598
01:24:30,634 --> 01:24:33,967
And I think that that
could very well be the case,
1599
01:24:34,066 --> 01:24:37,800
because he was just that talent,
1600
01:24:37,834 --> 01:24:40,100
talent on that
1601
01:24:42,333 --> 01:24:48,900
high spiritual,
uh, classical level.
1602
01:24:49,066 --> 01:24:50,734
I think he was.
1603
01:24:51,100 --> 01:24:52,967
Reincarnation is to do
with human beings.
1604
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,333
So it's quite possible
what Nicky said is, is true.
1605
01:24:55,367 --> 01:24:57,734
But I would've thought
that if he was,
1606
01:24:57,767 --> 01:24:59,200
if he was Chopin
in his last lifetime,
1607
01:24:59,233 --> 01:25:01,100
he'd be a bit sick of
playing the piano.
1608
01:25:01,133 --> 01:25:03,200
I think he'd probably try
and be doing something else.
1609
01:25:03,567 --> 01:25:05,634
Um, you know.
[Laughs]
1610
01:25:06,567 --> 01:25:10,233
BOB: Nicky's musical careerspanned just over 30 years,
1611
01:25:10,266 --> 01:25:12,133
and during that time,
1612
01:25:12,166 --> 01:25:14,734
he played with some ofthe greatest bands in the world.
1613
01:25:14,767 --> 01:25:17,367
His contributionson their records
1614
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:21,266
made him rock and roll'sgreatest Session Man.
1615
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:25,333
[Upbeat piano plays]
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