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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 2 00:00:04,533 --> 00:00:08,767 [Tape whirrs] 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 4 00:00:09,066 --> 00:00:10,634 [Crowd applauds] 5 00:00:10,667 --> 00:00:15,634 NARRATOR: And on piano, the legendary Nicky Hopkins. 6 00:00:15,667 --> 00:00:16,934 [Crowd cheers] 7 00:00:16,967 --> 00:00:19,700 [Pop-rock music plays] 8 00:00:25,133 --> 00:00:29,133 It was this unique marriage of the rawness 9 00:00:29,266 --> 00:00:32,266 of the electric guitars and the rhythm section, 10 00:00:32,467 --> 00:00:35,367 and then the wider palette of the piano. 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,233 Piano says, has all the colors and can say everything. 12 00:00:39,533 --> 00:00:42,166 And a, a guy who's as talented as Nicky 13 00:00:42,266 --> 00:00:44,233 can take a simple song 14 00:00:44,266 --> 00:00:47,734 and fill it with all kinds of extra meaning and feeling. 15 00:00:47,900 --> 00:00:51,133 Nicky could do the absolute incredible... 16 00:00:51,166 --> 00:00:54,000 you would believe that Otis Spann was in the room, 17 00:00:54,033 --> 00:00:56,200 which for, for a white English kid in 1960s, 18 00:00:56,233 --> 00:00:58,066 was absolutely amazing. 19 00:00:58,100 --> 00:00:59,834 GREG: You didn't realize how amazing he was 20 00:00:59,867 --> 00:01:02,066 until you would take his contribution out. 21 00:01:02,100 --> 00:01:04,233 And then you realize, oh man, that's, you know. 22 00:01:04,266 --> 00:01:09,033 He's adding stuff in there that broadens and deepens the songs. 23 00:01:09,333 --> 00:01:11,567 Or he's like, right out front. 24 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:17,000 He can entrance, he could play just about anything. 25 00:01:17,233 --> 00:01:20,333 It was inspiring. He was talented. 26 00:01:20,567 --> 00:01:25,900 He was invisible. It's an instinct. It's an art form. 27 00:01:26,233 --> 00:01:28,166 Being a good session man. 28 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,967 It absolutely blew my mind to see 29 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,900 this list of such classic songs 30 00:01:33,934 --> 00:01:36,166 that are still being played today. 31 00:01:36,266 --> 00:01:37,967 And he performed on those. 32 00:01:38,066 --> 00:01:39,867 I started listening for what he's added, 33 00:01:39,900 --> 00:01:43,033 and it's like, it's genius, absolute genius. 34 00:01:43,433 --> 00:01:45,500 NARRATOR: Over a 30 year period, 35 00:01:45,533 --> 00:01:50,266 Nicky Hopkins would play on over 250 albums. 36 00:01:50,567 --> 00:01:53,400 [Tape whirrs; piano plays] 37 00:01:53,567 --> 00:01:55,400 In the golden age of rock and roll, 38 00:01:55,433 --> 00:01:59,066 bands consisted of guitar and drums, 39 00:01:59,166 --> 00:02:02,100 until they realized that the piano 40 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:06,300 added harmonic richness and melodic flair. 41 00:02:07,133 --> 00:02:13,567 Then, along came the legendary pianist, Nicky Hopkins. 42 00:02:13,767 --> 00:02:17,400 [Blues piano plays] 43 00:02:28,667 --> 00:02:31,233 You know the story. It was when I was a little kid 44 00:02:31,266 --> 00:02:34,066 and I was tall enough to reach up to play this... 45 00:02:34,367 --> 00:02:36,600 I didn't know what was up there. It was just this table thing. 46 00:02:36,634 --> 00:02:38,266 And all of a sudden, these things on the top, 47 00:02:38,300 --> 00:02:39,800 which were the keys, right? 48 00:02:39,834 --> 00:02:42,600 Started making a noise, and I got into it. 49 00:02:42,634 --> 00:02:46,700 Mum lifted me up and helped me for about three years, and... 50 00:02:46,734 --> 00:02:48,567 You know, I picked it up. 51 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,500 INTERVIEWER: So by the time you were six, you were rocking out? 52 00:02:51,533 --> 00:02:53,467 - Almost. - Yeah. 53 00:02:53,500 --> 00:02:56,700 He learned classical music to start with. 54 00:02:56,734 --> 00:02:59,066 He went to the Royal Academy of Music 55 00:02:59,166 --> 00:03:02,834 and discovered rock and roll when he was in his teens. 56 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,967 So he had both these strands, which is what I think, 57 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,634 one of the things that makes him unique. 58 00:03:07,667 --> 00:03:12,433 So he could play very melodic, semi-classical parts, 59 00:03:12,467 --> 00:03:15,300 but he also could play very beautiful gospel parts, 60 00:03:15,333 --> 00:03:17,634 and very good blues playing. 61 00:03:17,667 --> 00:03:19,967 BOB HARRIS: Nicky left the Royal Academy 62 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,767 and its emphasis on classical music 63 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,467 when he was 16 years old 64 00:03:24,567 --> 00:03:28,200 and joined three other aspiring musicians. 65 00:03:28,233 --> 00:03:30,967 They became the Savages. 66 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,734 [Rock music plays] 67 00:03:32,767 --> 00:03:36,133 For Nicky, it was a raw entry into the world of rock and roll, 68 00:03:36,166 --> 00:03:39,567 boozy venues and shady nightclubs. 69 00:03:39,667 --> 00:03:43,934 The '60s, if you were a teenager in the 1960s, 70 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,300 you believed you could do anything. 71 00:03:48,767 --> 00:03:51,634 It was a land of opportunity, then. 72 00:03:51,667 --> 00:03:55,467 It was fantastic to be in London in the 1960s. 73 00:03:55,500 --> 00:04:00,100 Well, at 16, yeah. We played local cinemas. 74 00:04:00,133 --> 00:04:01,567 Back in those days, they could, 75 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,700 they'd have a little group on before the movie. 76 00:04:04,934 --> 00:04:07,533 We had so much great music coming from America, 77 00:04:07,667 --> 00:04:10,400 and unfortunately, you couldn't always see these artists. 78 00:04:10,433 --> 00:04:14,734 So that led to, uh, a great, uh, boom in British artists. 79 00:04:14,767 --> 00:04:16,467 The first pro gig I did was 80 00:04:16,500 --> 00:04:19,967 with this bizarre character called Screaming Lord Sutch. 81 00:04:20,133 --> 00:04:22,967 INTERVIEWER: Oh, yes. I remember Screaming Lord Sutch. 82 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,433 MIKE: It was, uh, you know, basic. 83 00:04:25,500 --> 00:04:29,200 It was very basic, very cheap, and none of us had any money. 84 00:04:29,233 --> 00:04:31,567 So I used to turn up and sometimes 85 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,033 you had to look for a poster, 86 00:04:33,066 --> 00:04:34,834 see where we were playing, and then find the gig. 87 00:04:34,867 --> 00:04:38,467 And then of course, the whole club circuit developed on pubs. 88 00:04:38,734 --> 00:04:41,567 And, uh, that's where the, uh, young British bands 89 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,233 really learned how to play and how to perform to audiences. 90 00:04:45,266 --> 00:04:47,767 All those clubs, you know, from Soho 91 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,066 going out all the way down to, you know, 92 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:53,166 Crawdaddy in Richmond or Eel Pie Island in Twickenham 93 00:04:53,233 --> 00:04:55,066 or the Ricky-Tick in Windsor. 94 00:04:55,266 --> 00:04:57,400 They're all in the area where I lived. 95 00:04:57,433 --> 00:05:01,100 One of my favorite places was Eel Pie Island on the Thames, 96 00:05:01,133 --> 00:05:03,100 where you had to cross a little bridge 97 00:05:03,133 --> 00:05:06,667 and you had to pay tuppence to a little old lady, a toll. 98 00:05:08,667 --> 00:05:10,800 [Rock music fades] 99 00:05:10,834 --> 00:05:12,600 [Harmonica plays] 100 00:05:12,634 --> 00:05:14,100 BOB: In November 1961, 101 00:05:14,133 --> 00:05:17,767 Nicky joined the legendary Cyril Davies. 102 00:05:19,967 --> 00:05:21,300 Cyril was a blues guy, 103 00:05:21,333 --> 00:05:23,834 a phenomenal blues harmonica player, 104 00:05:23,867 --> 00:05:26,100 who was with Alexis Korner 105 00:05:26,533 --> 00:05:28,867 and decided to leave Alexis to form his own band. 106 00:05:28,900 --> 00:05:30,333 And I understood why, 107 00:05:30,367 --> 00:05:32,467 because Alexis was playing the right material, 108 00:05:32,500 --> 00:05:33,533 but very insipidly. 109 00:05:33,967 --> 00:05:37,166 Cyril went off on his own and made his own band, 110 00:05:37,300 --> 00:05:39,667 which was called the Cyril Davies All-Stars. 111 00:05:39,700 --> 00:05:43,734 And this included, amongst some other great players, 112 00:05:43,767 --> 00:05:46,667 Nicky Hopkins, very young piano player. 113 00:05:46,834 --> 00:05:48,233 NICKY: Cyril was a very aggressive guy 114 00:05:48,266 --> 00:05:51,133 who wanted an authentic Chicago blues band. 115 00:05:51,166 --> 00:05:53,500 And he actually took Sutch's band. 116 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,734 We had gotten pissed off with Sutch for some reason, uh, 117 00:05:57,834 --> 00:05:59,567 and left Sutch about a month before, 118 00:05:59,667 --> 00:06:03,567 and then all of a sudden the entire band, except for Sutch, 119 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,233 were just backing Cyril, 120 00:06:05,266 --> 00:06:08,934 and we filled out the marquee every Thursday night to capacity 121 00:06:08,967 --> 00:06:10,000 and then beyond. 122 00:06:10,033 --> 00:06:11,700 Mick and I were down the club 123 00:06:11,734 --> 00:06:15,266 and we went to see Cyril, and see what his new band was like. 124 00:06:15,500 --> 00:06:19,934 And the piano player, they just blew, he just blew us away. 125 00:06:20,367 --> 00:06:24,033 There's this little white kid, and he's sounding like 126 00:06:24,066 --> 00:06:26,834 he's in the back room of somewhere in Mississippi 127 00:06:26,867 --> 00:06:28,200 or Chicago. 128 00:06:28,300 --> 00:06:31,567 He is phenomenal, you know, he is. 129 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,867 And that was my first, Mick and I looked at each other: 130 00:06:35,967 --> 00:06:39,634 Whoa. You know, where did Cyril find this guy? 131 00:06:39,667 --> 00:06:41,233 Star, he had a special star, 132 00:06:41,266 --> 00:06:44,133 which was this combination of gospel and classical 133 00:06:44,166 --> 00:06:46,400 that, that I didn't ever heard anyone else do. 134 00:06:46,533 --> 00:06:48,033 Seriously enough, 135 00:06:48,066 --> 00:06:50,867 it was during that period of doing the marquee every week 136 00:06:50,900 --> 00:06:52,100 that I met up with the Stones. 137 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,100 INTERVIEWER: What year now, Nicky, 138 00:06:54,133 --> 00:06:56,166 that you met up with the Stones? 139 00:06:56,266 --> 00:07:00,600 - Still the tail end of '62. - Oh, wow. That early then. 140 00:07:00,634 --> 00:07:02,200 - Oh, yeah. - I see. 141 00:07:02,367 --> 00:07:05,533 In fact, they were just starting and we were just starting. 142 00:07:05,634 --> 00:07:07,467 We already had our audience. 143 00:07:07,634 --> 00:07:11,400 Uh, they didn't, so they were our support act. 144 00:07:11,433 --> 00:07:13,967 When I first met him, um, when he was playing 145 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,333 with Cyril Davies at the Marquee 146 00:07:16,367 --> 00:07:20,166 'cause we were opening for Cyril Davies for about five shows 147 00:07:20,667 --> 00:07:23,467 until we started to get a bit more applause than expected. 148 00:07:23,500 --> 00:07:28,367 And then we got fired because he didn't like the competition. 149 00:07:29,900 --> 00:07:32,266 [Music fades] 150 00:07:35,667 --> 00:07:37,600 BOB: In May, 1963, 151 00:07:37,700 --> 00:07:41,100 Nicky was rushed into King Edward's Hospital in Park Royal 152 00:07:41,133 --> 00:07:44,433 with internal trouble and was put on the critical list. 153 00:07:44,700 --> 00:07:48,066 He was later diagnosed with Crohn's disease, 154 00:07:48,100 --> 00:07:51,467 which was complicated by losing his gallbladder, 155 00:07:51,500 --> 00:07:54,834 his left kidney, and suffering a collapsed lung. 156 00:07:55,266 --> 00:07:59,200 Crohn's disease is something where the, um, 157 00:07:59,233 --> 00:08:02,967 the guts effectively become very inflamed, um, 158 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,867 because the immune system isn't working properly. 159 00:08:06,066 --> 00:08:09,433 BOB: And as one young musician would testify, 160 00:08:09,467 --> 00:08:11,333 Crohn's is no fun. 161 00:08:11,433 --> 00:08:12,900 It kind of came out of nowhere. 162 00:08:13,266 --> 00:08:16,100 I had it, I had symptoms for about three months of vomiting, 163 00:08:16,133 --> 00:08:18,600 diarrhea, loss of weight, fatigue. 164 00:08:18,634 --> 00:08:22,567 And it got to the point where I was rushed to hospital 165 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,767 and then I was quite quickly diagnosed with Crohn's. 166 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:30,100 But then, certainly, very little was known and understood 167 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,400 and how to treat it even less. 168 00:08:32,533 --> 00:08:35,033 Trying to navigate your way through normal life, 169 00:08:35,066 --> 00:08:37,634 as well as being a musician as well, which is, you know, 170 00:08:37,667 --> 00:08:40,066 rock and roll and Crohn's don't go hand in hand. 171 00:08:40,133 --> 00:08:42,667 BOB: Nicky's unexpected hospitalization 172 00:08:42,700 --> 00:08:44,800 was to be the start of an illness 173 00:08:44,834 --> 00:08:47,500 that plagued him all his life. 174 00:08:48,100 --> 00:08:50,100 [Piano plays] 175 00:08:50,133 --> 00:08:54,300 The way I ran into, found out about Nicky is, uh, 176 00:08:54,433 --> 00:08:58,200 there was a, my go-to drummer at the time was Bobby Graham, 177 00:08:58,233 --> 00:09:01,500 who was one of the great drummers in England. 178 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,700 And, uh, he told me that 179 00:09:03,734 --> 00:09:07,700 he saw this kid named Nicky Hopkins playing piano. 180 00:09:07,734 --> 00:09:10,266 And he was terrific, and I should check him out. 181 00:09:10,300 --> 00:09:14,533 So I did. And he was absolutely correct. 182 00:09:14,900 --> 00:09:16,967 Cyril Davies came in one Sunday 183 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,200 and he brought this young lad with him 184 00:09:19,233 --> 00:09:20,934 who looked terribly ill, I must say. 185 00:09:20,967 --> 00:09:23,367 - The one thing I remember... - He was so thin. 186 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,166 He was incredibly thin anyway, 187 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,934 but he'd turned up in clothes he'd obviously been wearing 188 00:09:27,967 --> 00:09:29,333 before he'd been in the hospital. 189 00:09:29,667 --> 00:09:32,433 Apparently he was playing the piano, so I mic'ed the piano up 190 00:09:32,467 --> 00:09:36,567 He started playing and I'd never heard anything close to it. 191 00:09:36,667 --> 00:09:39,333 So when the session finished, I went up to him 192 00:09:39,367 --> 00:09:41,133 and I said, well, give me your number 193 00:09:41,166 --> 00:09:43,467 and I'm sure I can get you lots of work, and da da da. 194 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:45,567 And he said, "Well, I'm not available at the moment 195 00:09:45,667 --> 00:09:48,634 'cause I'm still not recovered from these operations I've had." 196 00:09:50,333 --> 00:09:51,934 So I said, "Well, here's my number. 197 00:09:51,967 --> 00:09:53,934 You ring me when you are feeling up to it, 198 00:09:53,967 --> 00:09:55,800 and I know I can get you lots of work." 199 00:09:55,934 --> 00:09:58,000 - Which he did, and I did. - I know. 200 00:09:58,033 --> 00:10:00,333 Glyn, who was a producer and engineer, 201 00:10:00,367 --> 00:10:02,266 recognized instantly that this guy 202 00:10:02,300 --> 00:10:04,867 was going to be an important session player 203 00:10:04,900 --> 00:10:07,567 because he covered so much, so many bases. 204 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,934 And that's where Nicky Hopkins could come in 205 00:10:09,967 --> 00:10:12,600 as a classically trained pianist 206 00:10:12,634 --> 00:10:16,033 who also miraculously could play in so many different styles, 207 00:10:16,066 --> 00:10:19,033 whether it was boogie-woogie, the blues, rock and roll, 208 00:10:19,066 --> 00:10:20,533 he could do it all. 209 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:22,734 [Music fades] 210 00:10:23,166 --> 00:10:26,533 Ray wrote a, a poignant kind of, bit of a dig, 211 00:10:26,634 --> 00:10:30,166 but respectful song called "Session Man". 212 00:10:30,300 --> 00:10:34,900 Nicky plays this incredible baroque-esque type intro 213 00:10:34,934 --> 00:10:36,567 on the harpsichord. 214 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,166 And I first saw Nicky's name playing harpsichord, 215 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:40,967 I think, on a Kinks record. 216 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,834 And man, you know, from day one, he was, 217 00:10:45,900 --> 00:10:49,033 he was a guy that you would know, that's him, 218 00:10:49,133 --> 00:10:50,600 and you'd pay attention, 219 00:10:50,634 --> 00:10:56,467 'cause he always brought something beautiful 220 00:10:56,500 --> 00:10:58,000 out of the song. 221 00:10:58,300 --> 00:11:02,467 The studios, they had a harpsichord for orchestras. 222 00:11:02,700 --> 00:11:06,734 And we used to dabble with it. And it somehow happened 223 00:11:06,767 --> 00:11:08,300 Nicky knew how to play the thing. 224 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,266 So it became integrated because it was there. 225 00:11:12,333 --> 00:11:15,467 And Ray liked the sounds and I loved the sounds. 226 00:11:15,634 --> 00:11:18,467 'Cause the bands wanted keyboards on their records. 227 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,400 But actually, in most cases, they were known as guitar bands. 228 00:11:22,567 --> 00:11:24,100 It was simple, basic, 229 00:11:24,133 --> 00:11:30,333 what we wanted, sexually-driven kind of aggression. 230 00:11:30,567 --> 00:11:34,266 Nicky had the ability to meld things together 231 00:11:34,300 --> 00:11:35,900 without getting in the way. 232 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,033 Of course, he was technically brilliant, anyway. 233 00:11:39,066 --> 00:11:42,233 These are people who, you know, worked every day. 234 00:11:42,266 --> 00:11:44,767 This was their job, is to make great music 235 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,367 and to make good music better. 236 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,433 And I think Nicky was a prime member of that fraternity. 237 00:11:50,467 --> 00:11:53,300 DAVE: And I think he worked very well with Ray 238 00:11:53,500 --> 00:11:58,066 and extending Ray's vision of what to play on the piece. 239 00:11:58,100 --> 00:12:02,700 You took Nicky away. It was like the magic disappeared. 240 00:12:02,734 --> 00:12:04,734 Um, you don't what the magic is, 241 00:12:04,767 --> 00:12:06,233 but something was missing 242 00:12:06,266 --> 00:12:10,133 if you took his performance away from the recording. 243 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,567 [Piano plays] 244 00:12:15,767 --> 00:12:19,000 So if we look back at some of those early Who records, 245 00:12:19,166 --> 00:12:22,033 we can see, like, evidence of Nicky's musicality. 246 00:12:22,300 --> 00:12:26,133 I had no idea what he was gonna do or how he was gonna do it, 247 00:12:26,166 --> 00:12:30,834 or what show Tommy expected of him, how he was gonna fit in. 248 00:12:31,367 --> 00:12:33,300 But of course, I did know who he was. 249 00:12:33,333 --> 00:12:35,667 He'd played on "Country Line Special" and, 250 00:12:35,700 --> 00:12:41,433 and really not get a sense of, of where this incredible blues, 251 00:12:41,467 --> 00:12:44,667 high-speed blues piano came from. 252 00:12:44,700 --> 00:12:46,100 He would just be in the background 253 00:12:46,133 --> 00:12:48,467 and Pete would say, okay, we need some piano. 254 00:12:48,567 --> 00:12:51,767 We need this. And Nicky would just get up and play. 255 00:12:51,834 --> 00:12:53,533 So there's no clash of egos going on. 256 00:12:53,567 --> 00:12:57,600 And, and the Who had massive clashes of egos in that band. 257 00:12:57,634 --> 00:13:00,600 Not bad, but they, 258 00:13:00,634 --> 00:13:02,500 that was why I think Nicky probably fitted in. 259 00:13:02,567 --> 00:13:06,200 Later, on Who's Next and Who by Numbers , 260 00:13:06,300 --> 00:13:09,133 Nicky's contributions were very different. 261 00:13:09,166 --> 00:13:10,567 They were very creative. 262 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,066 He was much more rounded, 263 00:13:12,100 --> 00:13:15,100 much more straightforward to work with. 264 00:13:15,133 --> 00:13:18,100 He didn't fall back into just doing his part. 265 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,333 He was really quite brilliant. 266 00:13:23,033 --> 00:13:24,700 [Music fades] 267 00:13:24,734 --> 00:13:29,200 And what he's doing is he's sort of, he's adding tension. 268 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,367 'cause most blues songs are kind of like that medium tempo, 269 00:13:32,467 --> 00:13:34,400 but then he'd sort of double it up, you know? 270 00:13:34,433 --> 00:13:37,934 So instead of playing same rhythm as the guitars, 271 00:13:37,967 --> 00:13:38,900 which could be, you know, 272 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,800 [Upbeat piano plays] 273 00:13:43,066 --> 00:13:44,400 I think he might do... 274 00:13:44,734 --> 00:13:47,734 [Upbeat faster piano plays] 275 00:13:52,467 --> 00:13:56,300 And especially on numbers like "The Ox", 276 00:13:56,333 --> 00:13:58,300 which is, uh, an instrumental by The Who. 277 00:13:58,333 --> 00:13:59,867 And just in the background, 278 00:13:59,900 --> 00:14:02,000 you can hear this frantic piano going... 279 00:14:02,033 --> 00:14:05,367 [Fast piano plays] 280 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,233 Again, about halfway through the tune, there's a piano break 281 00:14:14,266 --> 00:14:16,634 and it's very clearly this kind of thing. 282 00:14:16,667 --> 00:14:19,700 [Fast melodic piano plays] 283 00:14:21,433 --> 00:14:22,800 Which, uh, you know, 284 00:14:22,834 --> 00:14:25,900 it's that he runs this riff throughout the whole tune 285 00:14:25,934 --> 00:14:27,467 with, you know, a few little variations as well. 286 00:14:27,500 --> 00:14:29,900 And, you know, this sounds very much like a jam. 287 00:14:29,934 --> 00:14:33,133 And they sort of do sort of merge into a 12 bar. 288 00:14:33,166 --> 00:14:36,266 [Melodic piano plays] 289 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,700 Nicky's there with these crazy... 290 00:14:41,867 --> 00:14:44,433 [Fast piano plays] 291 00:14:46,667 --> 00:14:49,700 You know, in dispersing it with the original riff. 292 00:14:55,634 --> 00:15:00,767 In 1967, I was doing, um, Cat Stevens' first album, 293 00:15:00,934 --> 00:15:02,333 Matthew and Son. 294 00:15:02,433 --> 00:15:04,166 And Nicky turned up and did the album 295 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,467 along with the other musicians. 296 00:15:06,533 --> 00:15:09,967 And Nicky was fantastic. 297 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,500 There's one track on the Cat Stevens album, 298 00:15:12,533 --> 00:15:14,266 Matthew and Son , called "Granny". 299 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,700 And he just played a great piano on that. It's piano heavy. 300 00:15:19,033 --> 00:15:23,433 He did a fantastic job. Nicky added to the mix. 301 00:15:23,667 --> 00:15:26,233 I mean, in other words, he wasn't just an ancillary, 302 00:15:26,266 --> 00:15:28,533 I mean, what you have with most session musicians, 303 00:15:28,567 --> 00:15:31,800 they, they come in, they do their job for three hours, 304 00:15:31,834 --> 00:15:33,100 they'd disappear. 305 00:15:33,233 --> 00:15:35,133 Uh, Nicky wasn't like that. 306 00:15:35,166 --> 00:15:39,033 Nicky did want to do it again if he felt he could make it better. 307 00:15:39,667 --> 00:15:42,700 PP Arnold, Pat Arnold was one of the Ikettes, 308 00:15:42,734 --> 00:15:46,000 Ike and Tina Turner's backing group, three girl singers. 309 00:15:46,500 --> 00:15:48,934 And I had a phone call from Andrew Loog Oldham, 310 00:15:48,967 --> 00:15:51,634 who was the Stones' manager. 311 00:15:52,133 --> 00:15:54,934 And he said, "I've signed this girl from the Ikettes 312 00:15:54,967 --> 00:15:57,066 and we're gonna call her PP Arnold." 313 00:15:57,100 --> 00:15:59,667 We were brainstorming 314 00:15:59,934 --> 00:16:03,266 what material I would record for the first album. 315 00:16:03,467 --> 00:16:08,934 I was, uh, called the First Lady of Immediate Records. 316 00:16:09,066 --> 00:16:14,667 So Mike Hurst, who also produced Cat Stevens, 317 00:16:14,834 --> 00:16:18,033 brought this great song to the meeting, 318 00:16:18,166 --> 00:16:20,333 which was "The First Cut is the Deepest". 319 00:16:20,367 --> 00:16:23,300 If people ask me what I'm proudest of, 320 00:16:23,700 --> 00:16:26,033 probably there are two records. 321 00:16:26,066 --> 00:16:29,333 One's a Cat Stevens track, uh, "I Love My Dog". 322 00:16:29,367 --> 00:16:31,066 Strangely enough, the first one. 323 00:16:31,233 --> 00:16:34,266 The other one is "The First Cut is the Deepest". 324 00:16:34,300 --> 00:16:37,433 When I came into the studio and I met Nicky, 325 00:16:37,467 --> 00:16:40,800 he was this really lovely, sweet guy, 326 00:16:41,033 --> 00:16:44,066 you know, very quiet, very calming. 327 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:51,166 So I felt really this calming effect from him 328 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:52,934 that helped me to relax 329 00:16:52,967 --> 00:16:57,233 because I was kinda shy and introverted as well. 330 00:16:57,867 --> 00:17:03,300 So, and then, that is until he started playing the piano, 331 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,066 and I realized this guy is there, 332 00:17:06,100 --> 00:17:08,133 this beautiful, sweet guy, 333 00:17:08,166 --> 00:17:10,300 no ego coming off of him. 334 00:17:11,066 --> 00:17:14,300 And he's like the real deal. You know? 335 00:17:14,333 --> 00:17:19,734 [PP Arnold's "The First Cut is the Deepest" plays and fades] 336 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,300 BOB: Was it serendipity 337 00:17:24,333 --> 00:17:26,467 that their paths crossed in those early days 338 00:17:26,500 --> 00:17:29,166 at the Marquee Club? Who knows? 339 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,233 For Nicky, the Rolling Stones 340 00:17:31,266 --> 00:17:33,600 would become a big part of his life. 341 00:17:33,634 --> 00:17:38,734 When Nicky came into the Rolling Stones scene 342 00:17:38,767 --> 00:17:41,133 and all of a sudden this guitar band 343 00:17:41,166 --> 00:17:43,133 had this whole other color to it, 344 00:17:43,166 --> 00:17:44,467 or a bunch of colors. 345 00:17:44,767 --> 00:17:47,133 We were coming up with songs that, uh, 346 00:17:47,166 --> 00:17:53,600 absolutely beyond Stu's, let alone capability, his dreams. 347 00:17:53,634 --> 00:17:58,433 He didn't want to know. So I think that Stu called, said: 348 00:17:58,467 --> 00:18:01,133 "The only guy that can handle this is Nicky Hopkins." 349 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,066 "She's a Rainbow", absolutely classic Stones song 350 00:18:04,100 --> 00:18:06,567 with some beautiful piano from Nicky on it. 351 00:18:06,667 --> 00:18:09,533 This great introduction, which really sets up the song 352 00:18:09,567 --> 00:18:14,634 and again, you know, hugely, uh, identifying part of the song. 353 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,867 So the intro's got this very elegantly, 354 00:18:17,900 --> 00:18:19,133 beautifully played piano. 355 00:18:19,166 --> 00:18:21,100 [Plays melodic piano] 356 00:18:21,333 --> 00:18:24,066 Stu was quite happy not to be playing what Nicky was. 357 00:18:24,133 --> 00:18:26,533 Stu always said, you know, 358 00:18:26,567 --> 00:18:30,300 if you ever did any major-minor, he went to minor chords. 359 00:18:30,934 --> 00:18:33,800 He said, I don't play any of those Chinese shit. 360 00:18:34,066 --> 00:18:35,634 And I remember hearing that piano 361 00:18:35,834 --> 00:18:40,266 and it was this haunting intro, and then it was anticipated 362 00:18:40,367 --> 00:18:43,900 and it, it, it kind of like didn't follow a click. 363 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,333 It was just like this freeform thing. 364 00:18:46,367 --> 00:18:49,600 And, and it got my attention as, as a musician early on. 365 00:18:49,767 --> 00:18:53,233 [Plays soft piano] 366 00:18:53,300 --> 00:18:58,600 He had an intuitive feeling of where the piano should sit 367 00:18:58,667 --> 00:19:01,133 and where it should be. 368 00:19:01,166 --> 00:19:04,734 'Cause you're playing with two other stringed instruments 369 00:19:04,834 --> 00:19:06,800 and in a way, you are a bridge. 370 00:19:06,900 --> 00:19:10,867 You know, it's between the rest of the band being on piano. 371 00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:14,967 Um, I don't think Nicky knew how, you know, 372 00:19:15,033 --> 00:19:17,533 good he was, or just, you know, 373 00:19:17,567 --> 00:19:22,100 his instinct for the right note at the right place. 374 00:19:22,500 --> 00:19:27,367 So, uh, how could I not do, uh, justice by mentioning, 375 00:19:27,567 --> 00:19:31,567 uh, "Sympathy for the Devil" and Nicky's contribution to that. 376 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,367 Uh, very simple on the intro, block chords, 377 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,066 but he does one very cool thing. So you got... 378 00:19:37,100 --> 00:19:40,634 [Sings]: ♪ Please allow me to introduce myself 379 00:19:40,667 --> 00:19:42,700 ♪ I'm a man... 380 00:19:42,767 --> 00:19:44,433 [Ascending notes] 381 00:19:44,467 --> 00:19:46,133 He does that little lift 382 00:19:46,166 --> 00:19:50,033 to bring it back to the, uh, tonic of the course of truth. 383 00:19:50,066 --> 00:19:53,767 ♪ Please allow me to introduce myself 384 00:19:53,867 --> 00:19:57,967 ♪ I'm a man of wealth and taste ♪ 385 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,100 And he does that as you go through the song. 386 00:20:00,133 --> 00:20:01,800 And then by the... get to the end, 387 00:20:01,834 --> 00:20:04,333 and he's doing this great, uh, figure 388 00:20:04,367 --> 00:20:06,500 using a seven chord like this. 389 00:20:06,533 --> 00:20:10,000 [Plays upbeat piano] 390 00:20:24,467 --> 00:20:26,467 You know, Nicky's just playing this piano part 391 00:20:26,500 --> 00:20:29,300 that sits nicely with the band, doesn't stick out too much, 392 00:20:29,333 --> 00:20:32,500 but you know, he is there. So we've got this. 393 00:20:32,533 --> 00:20:35,000 But whenever you sort of started on a track 394 00:20:35,033 --> 00:20:37,600 and sort of just put some basics on, 395 00:20:38,033 --> 00:20:41,867 suddenly Nicky had just come out with a riff 396 00:20:41,900 --> 00:20:45,233 or a, a melody line or something, 397 00:20:45,266 --> 00:20:47,166 which completely changed the song. 398 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:52,100 I felt, uh, this thing between Nicky and me, 399 00:20:52,133 --> 00:20:53,734 'cause I'm churning out songs, you know, 400 00:20:53,767 --> 00:20:57,233 and, uh, you know, they're only half written, half made. 401 00:20:57,266 --> 00:21:00,333 And yeah, we, we're boiling it in the studio 402 00:21:00,367 --> 00:21:02,033 kind of thing, cooking it up. 403 00:21:02,467 --> 00:21:04,800 And the way that Nicky would cotton onto 404 00:21:04,900 --> 00:21:07,967 what I was just sort of barely laying down. 405 00:21:08,066 --> 00:21:11,867 And I say, Nicky and I would look at each other and go, 406 00:21:11,900 --> 00:21:14,700 [Breathes in] 'cause it was the other part 407 00:21:14,734 --> 00:21:16,333 that was in my head, 408 00:21:16,767 --> 00:21:19,000 but I couldn't put my finger on. 409 00:21:19,533 --> 00:21:21,300 Just always adding that textural thing 410 00:21:21,333 --> 00:21:24,600 and then sort of popping out of the texture when, 411 00:21:24,667 --> 00:21:25,867 when called upon. 412 00:21:26,300 --> 00:21:29,400 The way that Nicky plays that and swings it and voices it 413 00:21:29,500 --> 00:21:32,734 and chooses to play these, these chords here. 414 00:21:32,867 --> 00:21:35,367 And his just incredible rhythm. 415 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,066 Yeah, that's what drives the track to me. 416 00:21:38,100 --> 00:21:41,567 That and Keith's bass playing on that is astonishing. 417 00:21:41,900 --> 00:21:44,734 And somehow nearly with every other song, 418 00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:46,433 Nicky would find that part. 419 00:21:46,634 --> 00:21:50,533 And so we always had this sort of strange partnership 420 00:21:50,567 --> 00:21:52,033 between ourselves, you know? 421 00:21:52,066 --> 00:21:53,667 'Cause I would count on him sometimes, say, 422 00:21:53,700 --> 00:21:57,233 "I've got a half a song here, Nicky, you know, yeah, 423 00:21:57,266 --> 00:21:59,200 find me the other part", you know? Yeah. 424 00:21:59,233 --> 00:22:02,066 And every time he'd come up with it, an incredible player. 425 00:22:02,100 --> 00:22:05,400 No, he was a stunning, stunning player. I've never... 426 00:22:05,433 --> 00:22:10,266 I think it's particularly underlined in the period of time 427 00:22:10,300 --> 00:22:11,867 with the Rolling Stones, 428 00:22:11,900 --> 00:22:14,233 which where he was featured, pretty much. 429 00:22:14,266 --> 00:22:16,500 When Mick Taylor was in the band. 430 00:22:16,667 --> 00:22:20,166 Those albums, which you'll, you'll quote... 431 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,000 BILL: Beggars Banquet; Sticky Fingers; 432 00:22:22,033 --> 00:22:24,300 Exile on Main Street; Let It Bleed. 433 00:22:24,333 --> 00:22:27,000 All those four were stunning albums. 434 00:22:27,467 --> 00:22:31,834 One of my favorite Stones songs, "Monkey Man", I just... 435 00:22:31,867 --> 00:22:33,600 I play that till the cows come home. 436 00:22:33,634 --> 00:22:35,066 His introduction on that song. 437 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,233 It's like a, you know, it's like a great movie scene. 438 00:22:39,266 --> 00:22:42,133 The first shot you see is like, you know, 439 00:22:42,333 --> 00:22:43,734 wow, it's just gonna be great. 440 00:22:43,934 --> 00:22:45,400 Just very distinctive chords. 441 00:22:45,433 --> 00:22:49,033 [Fast, high-pitched ascending notes] 442 00:22:53,834 --> 00:22:55,433 Um, you know, Nicky plays them great, 443 00:22:55,467 --> 00:22:58,266 and I'm sure he came up with that arpeggio idea 444 00:22:58,300 --> 00:23:00,066 rather than just, you know, 445 00:23:00,100 --> 00:23:02,834 he could have played them as, played them as chords, 446 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,767 or even down here, 447 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,266 [Plays lower notes] 448 00:23:06,367 --> 00:23:08,567 but he chose to play them like that. 449 00:23:08,667 --> 00:23:12,300 And it adds an instant atmosphere to the song. 450 00:23:12,367 --> 00:23:14,467 It's so iconic what he's doing there. 451 00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:16,500 You know, you think of iconic guitar riffs. 452 00:23:16,533 --> 00:23:18,800 Well, he was the master and the creator 453 00:23:18,834 --> 00:23:20,734 of a lot of iconic piano riffs. 454 00:23:21,166 --> 00:23:25,433 And outside blues piano, 455 00:23:25,467 --> 00:23:27,066 you can't think of a lot of other people 456 00:23:27,100 --> 00:23:29,433 whose riffs just hang in your mind 457 00:23:29,533 --> 00:23:30,433 the way Nicky's do. 458 00:23:31,100 --> 00:23:33,667 BOB: In total, Nicky would contribute 459 00:23:33,700 --> 00:23:37,233 to 14 Rolling Stones albums. 460 00:23:41,066 --> 00:23:43,100 I remember listening to "Revolution" 461 00:23:43,133 --> 00:23:44,600 from The Beatles as a kid, 462 00:23:44,634 --> 00:23:48,266 and I just remember hearing that crazy, crazy, uh, 463 00:23:48,300 --> 00:23:51,000 uh, you know, electric piano solo 464 00:23:51,066 --> 00:23:52,867 and what he did at the end of the song. 465 00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:55,367 And I thought that was really cool because, uh, you know, 466 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,467 understanding that The Beatles were 467 00:23:57,567 --> 00:23:59,800 a quartet with two guitars, bass, and a drum. 468 00:23:59,867 --> 00:24:02,634 They didn't have a keyboardist. So it's like, who was that? 469 00:24:02,667 --> 00:24:04,934 And what do you do when The Beatles call you in 470 00:24:04,967 --> 00:24:06,367 to play on something? 471 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,767 I mean, Nicky walked in and played this solo, 472 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,700 which is an absolutely killing solo. 473 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,567 It's got some really cool ideas in it. 474 00:24:12,834 --> 00:24:14,667 Um, it goes something like this. 475 00:24:14,867 --> 00:24:17,767 [Plays fast upbeat piano] 476 00:24:34,133 --> 00:24:37,166 Again, it's an absolutely rollicking solo, 477 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,066 and it's got, um, it's got these kind of cool ideas. 478 00:24:40,100 --> 00:24:42,233 [Plays fast, repeating notes] 479 00:24:42,467 --> 00:24:44,600 Just kind of a Nicky Hopkins trademark 480 00:24:44,634 --> 00:24:48,500 in the sense that he's got that kind of movement, 481 00:24:49,066 --> 00:24:50,500 that voicing that is changing. 482 00:24:50,533 --> 00:24:52,734 It's not just... [Plays same notes fast] 483 00:24:52,767 --> 00:24:55,934 He's actually got some inner-voice movement in there. 484 00:24:55,967 --> 00:24:57,967 [Plays variety of notes fast] 485 00:24:58,333 --> 00:25:01,233 BOB: The remarkable thing about playing on a Beatles album 486 00:25:01,266 --> 00:25:04,600 was that it gave Nicky his first Grand Slam. 487 00:25:04,700 --> 00:25:08,400 It meant that he'd now recorded with the Kinks, The Who, 488 00:25:08,433 --> 00:25:11,533 the Rolling Stones and the Beatles. 489 00:25:11,934 --> 00:25:13,767 [Upbeat rock music] 490 00:25:14,233 --> 00:25:16,800 Nicky was not the star. He was the side man. 491 00:25:16,900 --> 00:25:18,900 His job was to make the records better 492 00:25:18,934 --> 00:25:20,800 and not to go, look, look at me! 493 00:25:20,834 --> 00:25:27,700 And, uh, I think that, in that role, 494 00:25:27,734 --> 00:25:33,934 he was much more purely and essentially a musician. 495 00:25:33,967 --> 00:25:35,500 I couldn't employ him full-time. 496 00:25:35,533 --> 00:25:39,133 And I, he was too good to sit, sit around and do nothing. 497 00:25:39,233 --> 00:25:43,800 So, uh, I knew all those guys and, um, I said, you know, uh, 498 00:25:43,834 --> 00:25:45,634 "I've got a great piano player for you. 499 00:25:45,667 --> 00:25:47,066 You gotta check him out." 500 00:25:47,100 --> 00:25:49,100 And of course, they, all of 'em wound up using him. 501 00:25:49,133 --> 00:25:52,033 Everybody would always talk about Nicky Hopkins, this, 502 00:25:52,066 --> 00:25:53,266 and Nicky Hopkins, that. 503 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,800 And, and sadly, I became very aware 504 00:25:56,100 --> 00:25:57,934 that he was playing on everything. 505 00:25:58,033 --> 00:26:00,333 Nicky had three years of session work in London 506 00:26:00,367 --> 00:26:03,000 where he played with absolutely everybody, 507 00:26:03,266 --> 00:26:06,133 In each record, each record album we did. 508 00:26:06,500 --> 00:26:09,000 And then it was done. And then it was, oh, well, 509 00:26:09,033 --> 00:26:10,367 what's the next one gonna be like? 510 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,266 And we'd get on and do the next one. 511 00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:16,567 It was never with any viewpoint of having made a record 512 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,133 that people were gonna listen to 10 years, 15 years, 513 00:26:19,166 --> 00:26:21,400 20 years, 25 years into the future. 514 00:26:21,634 --> 00:26:25,333 I think most people that, uh, that work with Nicky, 515 00:26:25,367 --> 00:26:27,800 they get him to come and do one song, 516 00:26:28,033 --> 00:26:30,066 and then they suddenly realize, 517 00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:33,166 he'd be great on that other side. [Laughs] 518 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,200 He said to me when he was working with Eric, 519 00:26:36,233 --> 00:26:38,100 he said he'd go over and, uh, 520 00:26:38,266 --> 00:26:40,300 and Eric would say, "Oh, that was wonderful." 521 00:26:40,467 --> 00:26:42,800 "So do you, look, let me show you this one..." 522 00:26:42,834 --> 00:26:45,133 - Eric is? - Eric Clapton, I mean, yeah. 523 00:26:45,166 --> 00:26:48,333 He was one of the busiest and most successful session players, 524 00:26:48,367 --> 00:26:50,834 and then decided he would go back on the road 525 00:26:51,100 --> 00:26:53,000 and join the Jeff Beck Group. 526 00:26:54,033 --> 00:26:55,567 [Piano plays] 527 00:26:55,667 --> 00:26:59,000 BOB: The Jeff Beck group didn't ease Nicky's workload, 528 00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:01,634 but it took him to America, 529 00:27:02,133 --> 00:27:05,500 a country that was to have a big impact on him. 530 00:27:05,767 --> 00:27:08,834 The Truth album would introduce the talents 531 00:27:08,867 --> 00:27:12,133 of Rod Stewart and Ronnie Wood, 532 00:27:13,533 --> 00:27:15,734 And man, Nicky's feel, 533 00:27:15,834 --> 00:27:17,500 and the notes that pour out of his soul 534 00:27:17,533 --> 00:27:19,934 and land underneath Rod Stewart's vocal 535 00:27:19,967 --> 00:27:23,367 and Jeff Beck's guitar are absolutely perfect 536 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,166 for such a badass rock track. 537 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,900 He would use different styles that were more heavy-handed. 538 00:27:29,934 --> 00:27:33,400 He could enter into rock and roll. 539 00:27:33,433 --> 00:27:35,700 Well, now here was Nicky with that classical training 540 00:27:35,734 --> 00:27:40,200 being very soulful, bluesy, innovative, and improvising, 541 00:27:40,233 --> 00:27:42,133 but with the precision of a classical player. 542 00:27:42,166 --> 00:27:45,867 He had this, how would you say, cachet, 543 00:27:45,900 --> 00:27:48,634 he had this cachet of information 544 00:27:48,667 --> 00:27:50,867 that he could cross-reference. 545 00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:55,367 He could put classical, Beethoven, 546 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,800 or whatever instances you would use. 547 00:27:57,834 --> 00:27:59,400 The way Nicky played, 548 00:27:59,433 --> 00:28:02,700 there was like a, there was a soulful precision. 549 00:28:03,433 --> 00:28:05,834 So even when he was improvising and going crazy, 550 00:28:05,867 --> 00:28:10,500 it was always really kind of in place, but very soulful. 551 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,166 [Music fades] 552 00:28:14,767 --> 00:28:16,700 [Soul music plays] 553 00:28:16,967 --> 00:28:19,767 Michael Chechik was doing a radio documentary, 554 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,367 and part of it was recording an interview with Glyn Johns. 555 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,734 And, uh, that took a couple hours actually. 556 00:28:27,867 --> 00:28:31,634 And, uh, Glyn and I started talking about recording sound, 557 00:28:31,667 --> 00:28:35,033 and he invited me over to Wally Heider Recording 558 00:28:35,066 --> 00:28:37,367 where he was doing sessions with Steve Miller. 559 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,433 I took him to San Francisco to do a Steve Miller album, 560 00:28:43,333 --> 00:28:44,634 which he was brilliant on. 561 00:28:44,667 --> 00:28:46,567 I was a sound engineer myself, 562 00:28:46,834 --> 00:28:51,433 and I was picking up tips from Glyn as I watched him, uh, 563 00:28:51,467 --> 00:28:55,900 for the duration of recording the Steve Miller album 564 00:28:55,934 --> 00:28:57,033 Your Saving Grace. 565 00:28:57,100 --> 00:28:59,834 And he stayed, and I think 566 00:28:59,867 --> 00:29:01,667 he got hit on by Quicksilver Messenger Service 567 00:29:01,700 --> 00:29:03,433 - and he played with them. - Yeah he did, yeah. 568 00:29:03,467 --> 00:29:07,166 I was blown away by his keyboard, um, playing. 569 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,000 I saw that he was above and beyond 570 00:29:11,033 --> 00:29:13,000 just about anybody I'd ever heard. 571 00:29:13,033 --> 00:29:14,467 After working a long day, 572 00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:16,667 we were listening to an old Steve Miller band album, 573 00:29:16,767 --> 00:29:19,233 and we were listening to Your Saving Grace , which is, 574 00:29:19,266 --> 00:29:24,033 um, has a song on it, "Baby's House", which Steve Miller, um, 575 00:29:24,133 --> 00:29:26,066 had Nicky Hopkins on piano and organ, 576 00:29:26,166 --> 00:29:28,533 and it's my favorite performance of Nicky's. 577 00:29:28,634 --> 00:29:30,166 People were desperate to try 578 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,400 and follow in the footsteps of Sergeant Pepper, 579 00:29:32,433 --> 00:29:34,533 really, I suppose that's what started it all. 580 00:29:34,667 --> 00:29:37,567 And of course, an album by then could sell him millions. 581 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,033 That's why it was so important 582 00:29:39,066 --> 00:29:40,433 to spend a lot of time in the studios 583 00:29:40,467 --> 00:29:42,000 with the best musicians available 584 00:29:42,133 --> 00:29:44,367 to produce the finest album you could do. 585 00:29:44,634 --> 00:29:45,734 [Piano fades] 586 00:29:46,333 --> 00:29:48,700 BOB: Nicky was still playing with the Jeff Beck Group, 587 00:29:48,834 --> 00:29:51,233 but internal friction within the band 588 00:29:51,266 --> 00:29:53,033 had reached breaking point 589 00:29:53,066 --> 00:29:56,066 with the departure of Ronnie Wood and Rod Stewart. 590 00:29:56,100 --> 00:30:00,000 So he stayed in Mill Valley, um, north of San Francisco. 591 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,433 Immediately, having now played with the Stones 592 00:30:03,467 --> 00:30:05,300 on Famous Records and the Beatles, 593 00:30:05,333 --> 00:30:08,500 he immediately was, um, embraced as rock royalty. 594 00:30:08,533 --> 00:30:12,133 You know, the, the San Francisco bands were basically, 595 00:30:12,867 --> 00:30:14,166 it was kind of like Motown. 596 00:30:14,266 --> 00:30:15,533 I mean, they were a family. 597 00:30:15,967 --> 00:30:17,900 Now, all the San Francisco bands at this time 598 00:30:17,934 --> 00:30:19,967 were recording at Wally Heider Studio, 599 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,266 which was still moderately new down on Post Street. 600 00:30:23,433 --> 00:30:26,100 And, and people were just hanging out all the time. 601 00:30:26,133 --> 00:30:28,066 Usually, if somebody came to town 602 00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:30,266 like Nicky did for Steve Miller, 603 00:30:30,333 --> 00:30:33,066 he would get with this family 604 00:30:33,133 --> 00:30:35,634 and was meeting members of the Dead 605 00:30:35,667 --> 00:30:38,567 and members of Quicksilver and the Airplane. 606 00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:43,100 And he ended up just, I think he fell in love with the town 607 00:30:43,367 --> 00:30:46,233 and, um, decided to stay for a while. 608 00:30:46,767 --> 00:30:48,467 [Rock music plays] 609 00:30:48,867 --> 00:30:51,333 Now, I wish that I could say who it was 610 00:30:51,367 --> 00:30:53,100 that got Nicky involved in this, 611 00:30:53,133 --> 00:30:56,100 but whoever it was: good thinking, 612 00:30:56,133 --> 00:30:58,634 because he did some incredible playing on that record. 613 00:30:58,667 --> 00:31:02,066 JACK: Nicky's left hand would just solidify us, 614 00:31:02,166 --> 00:31:05,300 like putting pinpoints of foundations around a building 615 00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:09,033 as he'd fill in other harmonic aspects to it. 616 00:31:09,166 --> 00:31:11,133 It wasn't a left hand playing rhythm 617 00:31:11,166 --> 00:31:13,166 then the right hand doing melody. 618 00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:16,233 He would work truly like a, a concert pianist, 619 00:31:16,266 --> 00:31:17,767 like a classical musician. 620 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,200 And he, and with all of his training, 621 00:31:19,367 --> 00:31:21,500 the rest of us would just fall right in line. 622 00:31:21,533 --> 00:31:24,100 Before, as we'd work on the songs, Nicky would come in 623 00:31:24,133 --> 00:31:27,967 and put that, just the, the solidness into the track. 624 00:31:28,033 --> 00:31:29,834 He should have played at Woodstock 625 00:31:29,867 --> 00:31:31,100 with the Jeff Beck group. 626 00:31:31,133 --> 00:31:33,000 But Jeff Beck sulked and went home. 627 00:31:33,033 --> 00:31:34,700 But Nicky still played at Woodstock 628 00:31:34,734 --> 00:31:37,066 because he was on stage with the Jefferson Airplane. 629 00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:39,567 JACK: Woodstock at the beginning of the tour 630 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,133 was just another gig we had. 631 00:31:41,166 --> 00:31:43,200 We had to be somewhere else a couple of days later. 632 00:31:43,233 --> 00:31:46,367 I don't think anybody had an idea what was gonna happen. 633 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,400 And I remember that when we, when the Airplane, 634 00:31:49,433 --> 00:31:52,166 everybody's got their own story about this, but, 635 00:31:52,266 --> 00:31:54,100 but we went on about 18 hours late. 636 00:31:54,333 --> 00:31:58,166 If we were to do a festival like that today, it would be, 637 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,333 I hope I never work this gig again as long as I live. 638 00:32:01,367 --> 00:32:02,967 I mean, for a lot of reasons. 639 00:32:03,133 --> 00:32:07,967 Even though the world was really in a really bad state, 640 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:13,166 we were going through the Vietnam War, civil rights, 641 00:32:13,233 --> 00:32:17,200 but the youth were bringing it all together. 642 00:32:17,300 --> 00:32:20,400 We were trying to change things. 643 00:32:20,467 --> 00:32:24,567 So it was a time of change for humanity. 644 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,166 I will never play for a crowd as big as this, as long as I live. 645 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:32,166 And when we actually see that it defies description. 646 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,767 BOB: Woodstock would later be regarded as a pivotal moment 647 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,433 in popular music history. 648 00:32:37,467 --> 00:32:40,133 And the "Volunteers" song played at Woodstock 649 00:32:40,166 --> 00:32:41,233 by Jefferson Airplane 650 00:32:41,266 --> 00:32:43,166 has been described as 651 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,667 "One of the great anti-war protest songs of the '60s." 652 00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:49,033 [Fast piano plays] 653 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,734 Nicky had, by this time, met up with John Cipollina, 654 00:32:52,767 --> 00:32:56,233 founder member of Quicksilver Messenger Service. 655 00:32:56,266 --> 00:33:01,000 John and David Freiberg from Quicksilver came up to see me, 656 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,367 and they said that, uh, they were short one guy 657 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,700 because Gary Duncan had left, 658 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,400 and it was just those two and Greg Elmore. 659 00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:13,700 Um, so they needed a fourth for the album. 660 00:33:13,834 --> 00:33:15,133 I said, would I stay on? 661 00:33:15,266 --> 00:33:17,734 Like many of the San Francisco groups, 662 00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:22,667 Quicksilver Messenger Service with John Cipollina, was... 663 00:33:23,433 --> 00:33:28,400 a little bit more freewheeling than, uh, groups in the UK. 664 00:33:28,834 --> 00:33:31,967 They went off on tangents sometimes, 665 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,967 and Nicky, being an improvisational piano player, 666 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,233 loved that. 667 00:33:36,266 --> 00:33:38,433 He loved doing things off the cuff. 668 00:33:38,467 --> 00:33:42,300 John and Nicky realized very soon 669 00:33:42,333 --> 00:33:44,834 that they had very much in common. 670 00:33:44,867 --> 00:33:46,934 And ended up staying at his house. 671 00:33:47,033 --> 00:33:50,100 And, uh, they became extremely close. 672 00:33:50,166 --> 00:33:54,667 Nicky recorded "Shady Grove" with, uh, Quicksilver 673 00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:58,367 when Quicksilver had kind of changed slightly. 674 00:33:58,567 --> 00:34:01,967 More than anything, I just enjoyed... 675 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,567 having John as a friend more than anything. 676 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,133 BOB: Nicky hadn't just found a friend. 677 00:34:07,166 --> 00:34:10,066 He was welcomed and truly embraced 678 00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:13,266 by John Cipollina's wider family. 679 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,266 They loved him because they get, it was a musical family. 680 00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:20,166 John's mother, Evelyn, had been a concert pianist. 681 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,900 She was a protégé of José Iturbi, 682 00:34:21,934 --> 00:34:24,967 and she was a piano teacher for decades. 683 00:34:25,367 --> 00:34:30,233 And, um, like minds attracted, and, and you know, 684 00:34:30,266 --> 00:34:34,033 Nicky could go up there and just sit and play piano and, 685 00:34:34,133 --> 00:34:38,133 and he fit, he fit right in with what was a musical, 686 00:34:38,266 --> 00:34:40,000 a totally musical family. 687 00:34:40,066 --> 00:34:41,533 He was one of the family. 688 00:34:45,066 --> 00:34:47,367 [Rock music plays live] 689 00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:02,400 I know John knew Terry from before. 690 00:35:02,533 --> 00:35:04,934 And at some point when, 691 00:35:04,967 --> 00:35:07,233 when Quicksilver was kind of winding down, 692 00:35:07,266 --> 00:35:09,467 John and Terry started doing things together. 693 00:35:09,533 --> 00:35:13,066 And by that time, Nicky was, like I said, one of the family. 694 00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:15,066 I remember Nicky inviting me down 695 00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:17,934 to play bass on a track called "Rainbow" 696 00:35:17,967 --> 00:35:19,467 he was producing in San Francisco 697 00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:22,533 for a Terry Dolan album for Warner Brothers. 698 00:35:22,634 --> 00:35:25,400 Uh, Nicky produced side one of the project, 699 00:35:25,533 --> 00:35:27,800 but he had to go off on a long Stones tour. 700 00:35:27,867 --> 00:35:32,600 They asked me, Terry and Nicky asked me to produce side two. 701 00:35:32,634 --> 00:35:33,834 I like working with Terry. 702 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,166 I found that to be a real fun gig to do. 703 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,467 And we do, I actually did quite a few gigs. 704 00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:43,834 I'd just fly up there for the weekend, do a gig with Terry, 705 00:35:43,867 --> 00:35:45,033 and come back again. 706 00:35:45,333 --> 00:35:47,266 We used to do that umpteen times. 707 00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:50,567 And with Terry and the Pirates, they were together so long. 708 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,800 Nicky played many, many sessions through the years with Terry. 709 00:35:56,233 --> 00:35:58,867 And Terry had many, many musicians. 710 00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:02,500 BOB: Often described as a Marin County's Boy Club 711 00:36:02,533 --> 00:36:06,100 of Professional Players led by Terry Dolan, 712 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,400 Terry and the Pirates had become a kind of revolving door 713 00:36:09,433 --> 00:36:13,000 for musicians who were between jobs. 714 00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:15,734 [Rock music continues] 715 00:36:17,767 --> 00:36:19,467 Then we did the, the gig in Hamburg, 716 00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:22,467 which was a television show, and then slept about six hours. 717 00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:24,367 And then the next morning came back to the States. 718 00:36:24,433 --> 00:36:26,867 I couldn't believe it. It's like we were in Europe 719 00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:29,634 for about three days and did three gigs... 720 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,066 in three different cities hundreds of miles apart. 721 00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:34,133 It was nuts. 722 00:36:34,533 --> 00:36:37,400 But I know that Nicky enjoyed playing with 723 00:36:37,700 --> 00:36:40,400 both Quicksilver and Terry Dolan, 724 00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:42,133 and there were a couple other groups 725 00:36:42,166 --> 00:36:44,867 that he played with in San Francisco 726 00:36:44,967 --> 00:36:49,767 that were essentially anchors for him to, uh, 727 00:36:50,033 --> 00:36:53,600 give him reason to stay in his home in Mill Valley. 728 00:36:54,500 --> 00:36:55,767 [Music fades] 729 00:36:55,934 --> 00:36:58,533 [Upbeat fast piano plays] 730 00:36:58,734 --> 00:37:01,066 It was great to come to somewhere like the Bay Area 731 00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:06,800 and find some people who weren't into all this being, 732 00:37:07,233 --> 00:37:08,800 all this self-important crap. 733 00:37:08,834 --> 00:37:12,467 And one could just be oneself. I thought it was great. 734 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,533 Kindred spirits and all that. 735 00:37:16,166 --> 00:37:18,934 BOB: Gerry Garcia was best known as guitarist 736 00:37:18,967 --> 00:37:20,400 with the Grateful Dead, 737 00:37:20,433 --> 00:37:24,667 who were part of the counterculture of the 1960s. 738 00:37:26,367 --> 00:37:28,333 Nicky was a rock and roll player, 739 00:37:28,433 --> 00:37:31,567 and I mean, aside from everything else he could do, 740 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,634 he could play rock and roll piano like, like nobody else. 741 00:37:34,667 --> 00:37:37,734 I think his major God 742 00:37:37,767 --> 00:37:40,166 was Jerry Lee Lewis more than Chopin. 743 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,500 And, um, he brought that rock and roll sensibility, 744 00:37:44,533 --> 00:37:46,867 which Gerry loved. 745 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,400 And, uh, it was just, it was something different. 746 00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:53,700 Gerry was always looking for something different, 747 00:37:53,734 --> 00:37:58,000 whether it was his bluegrass band or his Jerry Garcia band, 748 00:37:58,100 --> 00:38:01,400 or the Sanders-Garcia Band. 749 00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:03,767 And he was just looking for something different. 750 00:38:03,834 --> 00:38:06,200 And Nicky was, was there. 751 00:38:06,867 --> 00:38:09,066 [Music fades] 752 00:38:09,700 --> 00:38:11,900 [Slower piano music plays] 753 00:38:12,066 --> 00:38:13,634 BOB: In 1976, 754 00:38:13,667 --> 00:38:17,433 when Starsky & Hutch was a huge television hit, 755 00:38:17,467 --> 00:38:22,834 David Soul recorded an album entitled David Soul. 756 00:38:23,266 --> 00:38:24,467 I don't know David Soul. 757 00:38:24,734 --> 00:38:27,000 I know what he did with Starsky and Hutch , 758 00:38:27,033 --> 00:38:31,233 and I know that David Soul did his own solo album, 759 00:38:31,266 --> 00:38:34,166 which actually was pretty popular. 760 00:38:34,567 --> 00:38:35,867 And Nicky played on that. 761 00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:38,066 Nicky Hopkins playing on David Soul's album. 762 00:38:38,233 --> 00:38:41,433 This is something I didn't know about, this is a revelation. 763 00:38:41,567 --> 00:38:44,166 And I find the thought incredibly entertaining. 764 00:38:44,266 --> 00:38:50,200 It's so funny that a guy who would be, like, a famous actor, 765 00:38:50,233 --> 00:38:53,166 well, "I want to be a rock star" or whatever, you know. 766 00:38:53,333 --> 00:38:55,333 David Soul wanted to have more exposure, 767 00:38:55,367 --> 00:38:57,000 and music was one way to do it. 768 00:38:57,033 --> 00:38:59,433 He was a guitar player, from what I understand, 769 00:38:59,533 --> 00:39:05,967 and he had a, a good voice and he, um, wanted to use it. 770 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,900 I don't know that he and David Soul 771 00:39:07,934 --> 00:39:09,266 had any kind of relationship. 772 00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:11,300 I don't know if Nicky had any relationship 773 00:39:11,333 --> 00:39:14,333 with David Soul's producer, or where that came from, 774 00:39:14,433 --> 00:39:18,800 but he was just the gold-star session piano player. 775 00:39:19,033 --> 00:39:21,166 [Music fades] 776 00:39:22,133 --> 00:39:24,967 [Sings]: ♪ Tell me how do you sleep at night? ♪ 777 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,367 [Melodic rock music plays] 778 00:39:31,233 --> 00:39:32,200 Hit it. 779 00:39:42,467 --> 00:39:49,634 ♪ Jump when your momma tell you anything ♪ 780 00:39:50,467 --> 00:39:53,200 So it was really the Beatles and quickly the Stones 781 00:39:53,233 --> 00:39:57,600 that had melody with the soul of the old blues guys. 782 00:39:57,634 --> 00:40:00,533 That was like an explosion and a revelation, 783 00:40:00,567 --> 00:40:03,834 an emotional revelation that, that was like a possession. 784 00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:05,734 I fell in love with rock and roll 785 00:40:05,767 --> 00:40:07,200 through the Beatles and Stones. 786 00:40:07,233 --> 00:40:08,834 The other side of, of Nicky was that 787 00:40:08,867 --> 00:40:10,200 he could be quite delicate as well. 788 00:40:10,300 --> 00:40:12,333 I mean, I wasn't involved in the Lennon stuff, 789 00:40:12,367 --> 00:40:14,000 but I would imagine if you listen to actually 790 00:40:14,033 --> 00:40:16,700 what he's actually playing, it's very delicate. 791 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:17,900 You just have to pick it out. 792 00:40:18,233 --> 00:40:20,667 BOB: Nicky had crossed paths with John Lennon 793 00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:22,433 a few times over the years. 794 00:40:22,467 --> 00:40:26,133 It came as no surprise to Nicky when John invited him 795 00:40:26,166 --> 00:40:29,900 to be a part of the sessions for his Imagine album. 796 00:40:30,266 --> 00:40:33,200 Looking around, you know, I saw Klaus. 797 00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:35,200 I already knew obviously who he was. 798 00:40:35,233 --> 00:40:39,767 And so I was very, uh... it just added to the, uh, 799 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,433 to the otherworldly feeling 800 00:40:41,467 --> 00:40:45,400 that I had been there in John Lennon's little studio 801 00:40:45,834 --> 00:40:47,800 with John and Phil. 802 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,400 The track I think that Nicky liked the most 803 00:40:52,433 --> 00:40:54,000 was "Jealous Guy". 804 00:40:54,066 --> 00:40:56,500 You couldn't go wrong. It was John and his song 805 00:40:56,533 --> 00:40:58,934 and his singing, and he loved the song, obviously. 806 00:40:59,033 --> 00:41:02,000 And, and it was, uh, about, you know, 807 00:41:02,033 --> 00:41:04,333 one of the people he loves most in the world. 808 00:41:04,367 --> 00:41:07,500 And, you know, and the whole thing was set up 809 00:41:07,634 --> 00:41:10,233 to just move you, the listener. 810 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,233 People who have heard that song over the years, you know, 811 00:41:13,266 --> 00:41:14,734 they, they hear it and they, 812 00:41:14,767 --> 00:41:17,300 they feel that that wonderful little kind of vibe. 813 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:23,233 And Nicky Hopkins, to me, was a huge part of that. 814 00:41:23,266 --> 00:41:29,033 Nicky's sound on the piano was like 815 00:41:29,066 --> 00:41:31,800 that of an English garden to me. 816 00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:34,433 So, for example, in Nicky's music, 817 00:41:35,367 --> 00:41:40,367 I would say something like "Jealous Guy" and "Angie", 818 00:41:40,533 --> 00:41:44,166 would be good examples of where he will repeat little patterns. 819 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,567 And it's quite subliminal, I think, for the listener. 820 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:52,667 I could feel John responding, um, to our playing. 821 00:41:52,867 --> 00:41:55,567 And I love that. I've always loved that. 822 00:41:55,634 --> 00:41:58,934 When you're in the studio and you're making a record, 823 00:41:58,967 --> 00:42:03,634 you, you can't help but feel everybody's vibe. 824 00:42:03,667 --> 00:42:09,066 Nicky had such respect for John and his abilities, you know. 825 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:17,533 And, um, I know that he enjoyed working on the Imagine album. 826 00:42:18,233 --> 00:42:20,233 BOB: There's been a lot of speculation 827 00:42:20,266 --> 00:42:22,967 that John played the piano on Imagine 828 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,467 and not Nicky; 829 00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:28,367 Moira Hopkins sees it as making perfect sense. 830 00:42:29,166 --> 00:42:31,433 MOIRA: You know, that was such a big song 831 00:42:31,467 --> 00:42:35,800 that John should be playing the piano for that particular song, 832 00:42:35,834 --> 00:42:40,066 because it was like the name of the album as well, wasn't it? 833 00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:42,266 It was very important. 834 00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:47,433 So I'm on piano on most of the rest of that album, 835 00:42:47,467 --> 00:42:49,634 which was great. 836 00:42:49,667 --> 00:42:52,800 And, uh, of course, John was such a unique character. 837 00:42:52,834 --> 00:42:55,033 I found that John was very into him being, 838 00:42:55,066 --> 00:42:58,934 just being himself anyway, and getting things done. 839 00:42:58,967 --> 00:43:00,900 John was brilliant because 840 00:43:00,934 --> 00:43:02,734 he could get things done very quickly, 841 00:43:02,767 --> 00:43:04,867 which was why, 'cause I asked him once, 842 00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:06,066 why move to New York? 843 00:43:06,634 --> 00:43:09,133 He said, because it's the only place that can keep up with him. 844 00:43:09,166 --> 00:43:11,600 I thought, yeah, okay, well that makes sense. 845 00:43:14,033 --> 00:43:15,166 [Music fades] 846 00:43:15,634 --> 00:43:18,467 BOB: Nicky was well-liked by all of the ex-Beatles. 847 00:43:18,567 --> 00:43:21,400 And Paul McCartney was no exception. 848 00:43:21,433 --> 00:43:24,934 So I used to drive him places, you know, 849 00:43:25,367 --> 00:43:29,700 and, um, so I, he said, uh, oh, well, he said, um, 850 00:43:30,333 --> 00:43:33,066 "Paul wants me to go down to Winchelsea." 851 00:43:33,100 --> 00:43:36,400 "He wants me to come down to the studio." 852 00:43:36,567 --> 00:43:41,900 So I, I drove him down and, um, you know, went in with him. 853 00:43:42,133 --> 00:43:45,934 And, uh, when Paul, uh, saw that Nicky had arrived, 854 00:43:45,967 --> 00:43:47,500 he came up and hugged him. 855 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,100 And over his shoulder, he said to me, oh, he said, 856 00:43:51,133 --> 00:43:53,233 "It's been so long since I've seen him." 857 00:43:53,266 --> 00:43:56,567 He's a, and he was so very happy to see him, you know. 858 00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:59,400 BOB: Despite Paul McCartney's admiration for him, 859 00:43:59,500 --> 00:44:03,533 Nicky was asked to audition for Paul's Wings. 860 00:44:03,734 --> 00:44:06,667 He'd known Paul for over 20 years. 861 00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:08,533 He didn't join Wings. 862 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:15,567 I actually have no proof of it, but I think that 863 00:44:15,834 --> 00:44:18,166 because, uh, you know, 864 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:23,066 Linda was, was playing, that... 865 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,333 maybe she didn't feel so comfortable 866 00:44:26,734 --> 00:44:32,133 with Nicky being there on the, you know, on piano. 867 00:44:32,667 --> 00:44:37,166 BOB: In 1989, Paul invited Nicky to play on his album 868 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,266 Flowers In The Dirt, almost 18 years on 869 00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:44,900 from playing on the Imagine album in 1971, 870 00:44:44,934 --> 00:44:47,900 Nicky achieved his second Grand Slam. 871 00:44:47,934 --> 00:44:52,934 He'd now played on the solo albums of all four Beatles. 872 00:44:52,967 --> 00:44:54,333 [Guitar plays] 873 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,834 First of all, the thing you want to do, 874 00:44:56,967 --> 00:45:00,367 if you're a person that plays on records, 875 00:45:00,467 --> 00:45:02,133 the thing you pray for is that 876 00:45:02,166 --> 00:45:05,800 it's a great song to be able to play on. 877 00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:07,900 BOB: Different from the production 878 00:45:07,934 --> 00:45:09,634 of his previous albums, 879 00:45:09,667 --> 00:45:13,500 George Harrison carefully chose a small core of musicians 880 00:45:13,533 --> 00:45:14,634 to support him. 881 00:45:14,667 --> 00:45:16,867 He included Nicky Hopkins. 882 00:45:17,066 --> 00:45:22,333 But George, when I heard that little song, 883 00:45:22,367 --> 00:45:23,500 "Give Me Love", 884 00:45:23,934 --> 00:45:27,033 it just did the same thing, only in a little bit 885 00:45:27,066 --> 00:45:30,200 of a different way than John's "Jealous Guy" did. 886 00:45:30,233 --> 00:45:34,300 It was, it just, you just knew exactly what to play. 887 00:45:36,934 --> 00:45:43,033 And with, with Nicky playing those chords, 888 00:45:44,033 --> 00:45:46,700 the way he would play those chords, 889 00:45:46,934 --> 00:45:49,767 and with the touch that he played them, 890 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:55,166 it wasn't anything you could do wrong. 891 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:56,567 You couldn't go wrong. 892 00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:01,400 He had this invaluable ability to realize 893 00:46:01,433 --> 00:46:03,734 where to start playing in the song. 894 00:46:03,834 --> 00:46:05,433 You don't have to play from the top. 895 00:46:05,900 --> 00:46:10,467 And where to play in relation to the melody 896 00:46:10,734 --> 00:46:13,734 and just what can break your heart 897 00:46:13,767 --> 00:46:15,433 with a few notes up high. 898 00:46:15,467 --> 00:46:19,800 You know, those guys had him on their records for that reason, 899 00:46:19,834 --> 00:46:23,900 because he could elevate, uh, a song 900 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,500 to a place that it might not have gotten to. 901 00:46:26,533 --> 00:46:30,000 Nicky would come up with these little vignettes 902 00:46:30,033 --> 00:46:32,367 that were so memorable, you know, 903 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,934 you would hear it and you'd say, wow, that, that makes that song, 904 00:46:36,066 --> 00:46:38,734 BOB: That creativity, that ability 905 00:46:38,767 --> 00:46:40,300 to come up with vignettes 906 00:46:40,333 --> 00:46:43,934 effortlessly added to and made songs better. 907 00:46:44,233 --> 00:46:47,367 Something another ex-Beatle understood. 908 00:46:47,567 --> 00:46:51,767 I'm choosing "Photograph" from Ringo Star, because... 909 00:46:51,934 --> 00:46:54,934 Yes, because, no, it's, it's a beautiful song. 910 00:46:54,967 --> 00:46:57,767 It's certainly one of the more obscure ones. 911 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,767 Nice simple pop song, the essence of that song, again, 912 00:47:02,333 --> 00:47:03,900 you'd have to point to Nicky. 913 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,500 I would have to, anyway. 914 00:47:05,533 --> 00:47:09,767 [Upbeat piano plays] 915 00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:17,667 [Fades to "Photograph" by Ringo Starr] 916 00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:19,433 The arrangement was great overall, 917 00:47:19,467 --> 00:47:21,767 everything about all the playing and everything, 918 00:47:21,834 --> 00:47:26,033 but Nicky's touch, you know, it's just another example 919 00:47:26,433 --> 00:47:31,934 of having Nicky Hopkins and a Beatle together, 920 00:47:32,033 --> 00:47:33,934 and I'm in the room with 'em. 921 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,300 That's just a great, great... 922 00:47:36,333 --> 00:47:40,066 It doesn't get any better than that for me, personally. 923 00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:42,166 [Music fades] 924 00:47:43,867 --> 00:47:45,900 [Low piano plays] 925 00:47:45,934 --> 00:47:48,900 So I have two favorite Nicky Hopkins tracks. 926 00:47:49,467 --> 00:47:52,367 The first one is called "A Dreamer" off the album 927 00:47:52,433 --> 00:47:56,000 The Tin Man was a Dreamer , and man, 928 00:47:56,033 --> 00:47:59,233 his piano playing and the way he's playing 929 00:47:59,266 --> 00:48:03,000 feels next to the orchestra is absolutely exquisite. 930 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,433 BOB: Nicky was working with George Harrison 931 00:48:05,467 --> 00:48:07,834 during the week, and at weekends, 932 00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:12,433 he recorded his own solo album The Tin Man was a Dreamer , 933 00:48:12,467 --> 00:48:17,166 helped, of course, by some of his mates, including George. 934 00:48:17,233 --> 00:48:22,133 Every piano player that I've known since those days, 935 00:48:22,233 --> 00:48:26,867 and I've talked about Nicky, they, they all bow, 936 00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:33,634 uh, you know, he just was one of those unusual beauties 937 00:48:34,033 --> 00:48:36,200 that comes around once in a while. 938 00:48:36,333 --> 00:48:40,367 I didn't know it at the time. Why was he called the Tin Man? 939 00:48:41,166 --> 00:48:45,500 He collected tea tins, English tea tins, you know, 940 00:48:45,533 --> 00:48:47,100 'cause some of the artwork on these things, 941 00:48:47,133 --> 00:48:48,900 especially when you... was pretty incredible. 942 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,800 Also on The Tim Man was a Dreamer is this, 943 00:48:50,834 --> 00:48:52,400 is this version 944 00:48:52,433 --> 00:48:56,700 of his, uh, of his song "Edward the Mad Shirt Grinder". 945 00:48:56,867 --> 00:49:00,066 [Plays dramatic piano] 946 00:49:11,967 --> 00:49:14,300 [Piano fades] 947 00:49:16,233 --> 00:49:19,700 The '70s were his most successful period in his life. 948 00:49:19,900 --> 00:49:23,133 He was, um, commuting across the Atlantic 949 00:49:23,166 --> 00:49:26,433 to play with the Stones and, um, with John Lennon 950 00:49:26,767 --> 00:49:29,433 and countless sessions in Los Angeles. 951 00:49:29,467 --> 00:49:31,300 BOB: Nicky had returned to London 952 00:49:31,333 --> 00:49:33,900 to be part of the Rolling Stones' latest album, 953 00:49:33,934 --> 00:49:37,200 Let It Bleed. Bill Wyman picks up the story. 954 00:49:37,233 --> 00:49:39,333 Yeah, we all arrived at the studio, 955 00:49:39,367 --> 00:49:44,300 and Ry Cooder came and hung out, and Keith didn't like that. 956 00:49:44,333 --> 00:49:47,100 So Keith went home, I think, and it just, 957 00:49:47,133 --> 00:49:49,133 it was just, just us, wasn't it? 958 00:49:49,166 --> 00:49:51,734 And, uh, we didn't know what to do, so we just, 959 00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:53,433 Nicky just started jamming. 960 00:49:53,533 --> 00:49:57,200 Then we just sort of jammed and fooled around, didn't we? 961 00:49:57,233 --> 00:49:59,834 And Mick just threw in bits and pieces. 962 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,467 - It was completely spontaneous. - And it was just alive. 963 00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:07,000 And I realized that something unusual could happen. 964 00:50:07,066 --> 00:50:08,967 So I started running the tape. 965 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:13,367 It was a very stoned thought, was the title. 966 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:19,433 Um, I had become Edward on some Stones sessions, um, 967 00:50:19,467 --> 00:50:21,900 because Keith, it was at Olympic, 968 00:50:21,934 --> 00:50:25,100 which was a huge area, huge floor area. 969 00:50:25,133 --> 00:50:28,333 Keith was tuning his guitars up, and he was yelling at me 970 00:50:28,367 --> 00:50:31,333 because the, the headphones weren't working. 971 00:50:31,567 --> 00:50:33,667 And so it was hard to hear. And he said, 972 00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:35,467 "Nicky, gimme an E." I said, what? 973 00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:37,433 He said, "Gimme an E." I said, "Can't hear you." 974 00:50:37,467 --> 00:50:41,533 "Gimme an E for Edward." So I became Edward. 975 00:50:42,133 --> 00:50:44,000 [Rock music plays] 976 00:50:44,166 --> 00:50:46,967 The first time I met Nicky Hopkins, 977 00:50:47,266 --> 00:50:51,000 I believe was on the sessions for, uh, Harry Nilsson, 978 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,133 for the Son of Schmilsson record. 979 00:50:53,567 --> 00:50:57,433 BOB: Son of Schmilsson was an eclectic mixture of styles. 980 00:50:57,467 --> 00:51:00,433 It accentuated Nilsson's reputation 981 00:51:00,467 --> 00:51:04,133 for producing anarchic and eccentric work. 982 00:51:04,233 --> 00:51:08,734 That was, uh, that's a good way to describe Harry Nilsson. 983 00:51:09,033 --> 00:51:11,567 He was an anarchist, to some degree. 984 00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,767 Uh, but, you know, "You're Breakin' My Heart", 985 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,367 that's typical Harry Nilsson. 986 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:20,533 Fun, and, uh, speaking his mind and, uh, you know, 987 00:51:20,567 --> 00:51:22,834 little dirty words here once in a while. 988 00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:25,467 It's not really a dirty word anymore, is it? 989 00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:28,767 I mean, Nilsson is not only a great singer and composer, 990 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,066 but he's an excellent pianist. 991 00:51:30,433 --> 00:51:33,000 And he played on several tracks by Nilsson. 992 00:51:33,433 --> 00:51:36,333 I think it was probably during that time in LA 993 00:51:36,367 --> 00:51:38,000 when there was a lot of partying going on, 994 00:51:38,033 --> 00:51:40,433 like the Hollywood Vampires and John Lennon 995 00:51:40,467 --> 00:51:43,300 and Keith Moon going a bit nuts in the studio. 996 00:51:43,667 --> 00:51:46,767 And I imagine Nicky was part of that party, 997 00:51:47,500 --> 00:51:49,834 and maybe that night, Nilsson was too drunk. 998 00:51:49,867 --> 00:51:51,066 So he said, you play the piano. 999 00:51:51,367 --> 00:51:53,467 BOB: Harry Nilsson thoroughly enjoyed 1000 00:51:53,533 --> 00:51:56,033 and appreciated what Nicky brought 1001 00:51:56,066 --> 00:51:57,867 to the recording sessions. 1002 00:51:57,900 --> 00:52:03,133 The end result? Nicky played on nine out of the 11 tracks. 1003 00:52:05,066 --> 00:52:07,033 [Music fades] 1004 00:52:08,066 --> 00:52:13,533 He was a white man from Sheffield, uh, England, right? 1005 00:52:14,033 --> 00:52:16,867 And, but he sounded like a Black man 1006 00:52:16,934 --> 00:52:19,900 that had maybe been born in Mississippi. 1007 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:26,133 And he was just extraordinary, Joe, just incredible. 1008 00:52:26,467 --> 00:52:28,700 BOB: Nicky's friendship with Joe Cocker 1009 00:52:28,734 --> 00:52:31,400 was, from the outset, unlikely. 1010 00:52:31,433 --> 00:52:34,000 The wild party man from Sheffield 1011 00:52:34,033 --> 00:52:37,266 and the quiet retiring piano player. 1012 00:52:37,300 --> 00:52:41,033 It's not so much Nicky Hopkins' intro 1013 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:46,867 to, um, "You Are So Beautiful", which is, um, genius. 1014 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:53,000 But it's his touch in general. Um, his sense of melody. 1015 00:52:53,533 --> 00:52:57,133 But he, I didn't even think his fingers were moving. 1016 00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,200 He had such a beautiful touch. 1017 00:52:59,333 --> 00:53:01,533 There's "You Are So Beautiful", 1018 00:53:01,567 --> 00:53:04,700 and there's "Bridge Over Troubled Water", 1019 00:53:05,266 --> 00:53:11,266 Larry Knechtel on piano, and I, I put them on the same level. 1020 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,066 It's a song that Nicky was particularly proud of. 1021 00:53:14,433 --> 00:53:17,400 Um, and you can see why, it's a beautiful piano part. 1022 00:53:17,767 --> 00:53:21,700 It has different textures in, he varies which register he's in 1023 00:53:21,734 --> 00:53:24,634 to bring different weight into different sections. 1024 00:53:24,867 --> 00:53:26,634 Uh, and it really sort of shows the, 1025 00:53:26,667 --> 00:53:30,200 the kind of sensitivity and vulnerability of the lyrics. 1026 00:53:30,233 --> 00:53:35,400 But Nicky's playing on "You Are So Beautiful" is just, 1027 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:40,333 I mean, I get goosebumps when I listen to it every time. 1028 00:53:40,367 --> 00:53:43,767 You know, to this day, it's one of the most beautiful 1029 00:53:44,066 --> 00:53:46,500 backing tracks for any person. 1030 00:53:46,867 --> 00:53:48,200 And of course, it was Joe Cocker. 1031 00:53:48,533 --> 00:53:53,066 BOB: In 1976, Joe, who'd been struggling with debts, 1032 00:53:53,266 --> 00:53:57,667 agreed on a tour of New Zealand, Australia, and South America. 1033 00:53:57,700 --> 00:53:59,400 They got along really well. 1034 00:53:59,433 --> 00:54:04,066 I think when Joe decided to go back out on the road again, 1035 00:54:04,100 --> 00:54:07,300 he wanted Nicky and Bobby Keyes with him. 1036 00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:11,000 And, uh, they had all sorts of adventures. 1037 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,166 This was before Nicky actually went to rehab. 1038 00:54:15,433 --> 00:54:17,567 [Music fades] 1039 00:54:18,033 --> 00:54:19,634 [Piano plays] 1040 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,567 There's a track on the Airwaves album called "The Dreamer", 1041 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,233 and that's probably the outstanding piano track. 1042 00:54:27,266 --> 00:54:31,367 Uh, at one point, the song reverts back to the intro, 1043 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,300 which is just acoustic guitar 1044 00:54:33,333 --> 00:54:35,867 and little sprinkles of piano on, 1045 00:54:35,934 --> 00:54:40,300 and then me playing guitar with the volume knob. 1046 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,133 I listen to it to this day, and it's just tears. 1047 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,233 BOB: Badfinger originated from the UK, 1048 00:54:47,266 --> 00:54:50,467 but had morphed into a West Coast band. 1049 00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:54,400 Joe tells us about recording their album Airwaves. 1050 00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:58,433 So, uh, we discussed Nicky and Joe 1051 00:54:58,467 --> 00:55:01,300 and Tom had run into 'em at Abbey Road, 1052 00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,834 or working with the Beatles a few times. 1053 00:55:03,867 --> 00:55:08,300 And, uh, the name came up and me, I went, "twist my arm". 1054 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,834 It was a dream come true. Having him play piano. 1055 00:55:12,500 --> 00:55:15,400 Uh, I don't know what it is about English guys. 1056 00:55:15,700 --> 00:55:20,033 They don't drive. None of 'em drove at the time. 1057 00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:26,066 They were like, "We don't drive. We get driven around." 1058 00:55:26,367 --> 00:55:28,800 Okay. "Go pick Nicky up." 1059 00:55:28,834 --> 00:55:31,300 He's living in, uh, Canoga Park. 1060 00:55:31,533 --> 00:55:34,767 I get the address and bring him to rehearsal. 1061 00:55:35,500 --> 00:55:38,667 Showed up at the front door and knock on the door. 1062 00:55:40,166 --> 00:55:43,033 Guy's standing there in his underwear, 1063 00:55:43,900 --> 00:55:50,567 got messing around with his eyes and his hair's all messed up, 1064 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,333 and there's Joe Cocker opening the front door. 1065 00:55:54,634 --> 00:55:58,800 And he looked like John Belushi imitating Joe Cocker. 1066 00:55:58,867 --> 00:56:02,634 Apparently they'd been up having too much fun the night before, 1067 00:56:02,667 --> 00:56:05,100 and they were sharing a place together at the time. 1068 00:56:05,133 --> 00:56:07,800 That was the first time I'd ever met Nicky. 1069 00:56:08,834 --> 00:56:10,367 [Music fades] 1070 00:56:13,667 --> 00:56:17,300 I'll tell you what impressed me about Nicky the most was 1071 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,200 after working with the Rumour, 1072 00:56:19,233 --> 00:56:22,934 who it was a bit painstaking getting them to learn my songs, 1073 00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:25,133 and they generally deconstructed them 1074 00:56:25,166 --> 00:56:26,600 and tried to do something else with them 1075 00:56:26,634 --> 00:56:28,600 before coming back to the song. 1076 00:56:29,166 --> 00:56:33,634 But Nicky, um, he'd listened to the song once 1077 00:56:33,967 --> 00:56:38,266 and play through with a, you know, a take. 1078 00:56:38,300 --> 00:56:40,734 We'd do a take with Nicky playing. 1079 00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:43,400 He'd play through it once, and that was all. 1080 00:56:43,433 --> 00:56:46,066 I didn't have to tell him anything after that. 1081 00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:47,500 He'd learned it. 1082 00:56:47,700 --> 00:56:49,967 Well, bands couldn't live in the studios forever. 1083 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,533 They were expected to go out 1084 00:56:51,567 --> 00:56:53,300 and entertain all the people that bought their albums. 1085 00:56:53,333 --> 00:56:56,166 And, uh, it was the biggest money spinner, really. 1086 00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:00,066 It was to go on a major epic tour of Europe or America, 1087 00:57:00,166 --> 00:57:01,400 or even to Japan. 1088 00:57:01,433 --> 00:57:04,800 [Crowd applauds] 1089 00:57:07,467 --> 00:57:09,133 BOB: Graham Parker and The Rumour 1090 00:57:09,166 --> 00:57:11,567 had a big following in Germany. 1091 00:57:11,667 --> 00:57:15,266 When they were invited to play one of the Rock Palace concerts, 1092 00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:18,667 Nicky decided to accompany his friend. 1093 00:57:18,767 --> 00:57:21,066 [Sings]: ♪ All sensation 1094 00:57:21,166 --> 00:57:24,166 ♪ So get them, get them 1095 00:57:24,533 --> 00:57:27,100 ♪ But don't get me 1096 00:57:27,567 --> 00:57:29,934 ♪ Can't hear, your cries 1097 00:57:30,266 --> 00:57:36,767 ♪ So don't get me to fill up your empty lives 1098 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,233 ♪ Your empty lives 1099 00:57:40,734 --> 00:57:43,133 ♪ Your empty lives 1100 00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,066 ♪ Your empty lives ♪ 1101 00:57:46,934 --> 00:57:49,066 [Music fades] 1102 00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:51,467 [Solemn piano plays] 1103 00:57:51,834 --> 00:57:55,333 BOB: For Nicky, whose health was fragile at the best of times, 1104 00:57:55,367 --> 00:57:58,800 the Rolling Stones' 50-show schedule was grueling 1105 00:57:58,834 --> 00:58:01,900 to the point that it had become a dangerous factor. 1106 00:58:02,166 --> 00:58:04,133 There was a lot of downtime doing nothing. 1107 00:58:04,266 --> 00:58:05,967 You know, to be honest, they had their, 1108 00:58:06,066 --> 00:58:09,433 their bit on stage was fantastic for that two hours. 1109 00:58:09,467 --> 00:58:10,767 It was fantastic, 1110 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,233 and they wanted to carry that on, really, afterwards. 1111 00:58:13,266 --> 00:58:14,900 Crohn's can be very challenging, 1112 00:58:14,934 --> 00:58:18,000 especially when you're on a long tour and you're not eating well. 1113 00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:19,834 He physically wasn't very well, 1114 00:58:19,867 --> 00:58:22,166 but, you know, he had a lot of problems all through his life 1115 00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,266 with his, uh, health. 1116 00:58:24,834 --> 00:58:26,567 And so he was ill a lot. 1117 00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,367 So when I first came into the position with the Stones 1118 00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,467 and Stu and I became good friends, I asked him, I said, 1119 00:58:32,500 --> 00:58:37,100 Stu, look, I'm real happy to be here, don't get me wrong, 1120 00:58:37,133 --> 00:58:38,533 but where's Nicky? 1121 00:58:38,567 --> 00:58:39,934 Why isn't Nick Hopkins here? 1122 00:58:39,967 --> 00:58:42,300 And they said, with Nicky, bless his heart, 1123 00:58:42,667 --> 00:58:44,166 he always had health problems. 1124 00:58:44,233 --> 00:58:46,934 And so the band was scared that'd be on tour, 1125 00:58:46,967 --> 00:58:49,333 and that, you know, a major date coming up, 1126 00:58:49,367 --> 00:58:51,033 and he'd have some kind of attack 1127 00:58:51,066 --> 00:58:52,467 and couldn't make the show. 1128 00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,000 [Music fades] 1129 00:58:56,100 --> 00:58:58,233 Like many of us back in the day, 1130 00:58:58,300 --> 00:59:02,233 uh, Nicky did have a bit of a drinking problem, I guess. 1131 00:59:03,834 --> 00:59:06,533 Mostly a problem because of his ill health 1132 00:59:06,634 --> 00:59:08,133 and frail constitution. 1133 00:59:08,166 --> 00:59:09,734 I know that Nicky took drugs. 1134 00:59:09,767 --> 00:59:14,066 He was, uh, in pain, and he took to drugs for his pain. 1135 00:59:14,133 --> 00:59:15,934 I doubt that he was an addict, 1136 00:59:16,033 --> 00:59:17,500 in the classical sense. 1137 00:59:17,533 --> 00:59:21,066 The medical profession defines an addict 1138 00:59:21,100 --> 00:59:25,634 as someone who has a disruption in their psychosocial, 1139 00:59:25,667 --> 00:59:27,166 um, functioning. 1140 00:59:27,266 --> 00:59:28,900 And Nicky had none of those. 1141 00:59:29,133 --> 00:59:32,834 With me, however, it grew so out of control. 1142 00:59:32,934 --> 00:59:36,367 I mean, I was doing pretty much every drug, 1143 00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,266 every existing drug to the max and then beyond. 1144 00:59:40,300 --> 00:59:43,867 He had about a 10 year bout, more or less, 1145 00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:45,634 with drugs and alcohol. 1146 00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,567 He was the wrong person to be living that lifestyle. 1147 00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,500 He wasn't strong enough for it, and he got... 1148 00:59:52,533 --> 00:59:56,100 It took him to a very, very bad place eventually. 1149 00:59:56,133 --> 00:59:59,233 I mean, he would, he would talk to me about it. 1150 00:59:59,266 --> 01:00:03,767 He would talk to me about the stupid things that he did. 1151 01:00:04,100 --> 01:00:05,967 And, um, you know, 1152 01:00:06,066 --> 01:00:08,767 and of course he'd, he'd suffered physically 1153 01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,934 for a number of years with, I think it was Crohn's disease. 1154 01:00:11,967 --> 01:00:14,433 So I think the combination of Crohn's disease 1155 01:00:14,500 --> 01:00:17,734 and the other excesses of being on the road 1156 01:00:17,767 --> 01:00:21,700 at that particular period, um, weren't helpful to him. 1157 01:00:21,934 --> 01:00:23,433 I was working with Chick Corea, 1158 01:00:23,667 --> 01:00:26,133 and I got a call from Artist Relations at Moog, 1159 01:00:26,166 --> 01:00:27,634 a friend of mine, Robbie Konikoff, 1160 01:00:27,667 --> 01:00:29,533 and he said, "Rory, I have a favor of you." 1161 01:00:29,567 --> 01:00:31,834 I said, what's that? He goes, "Do you know Nicky Hopkins?" 1162 01:00:31,867 --> 01:00:35,000 And I, I went, yeah, of course I do. 1163 01:00:35,033 --> 01:00:36,800 And I lit up because I was like, where's this going? 1164 01:00:36,834 --> 01:00:38,333 I get to meet him, you know? 1165 01:00:38,367 --> 01:00:40,433 And he said, "Well, he really wants to meet Chick. 1166 01:00:40,467 --> 01:00:44,133 Can you set that up?" And I said, of course. You know. 1167 01:00:44,233 --> 01:00:47,767 So I asked Chick, I said, Chick, I know we're rehearsing, 1168 01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,133 but Nicky Hopkins is in town 1169 01:00:50,166 --> 01:00:51,233 and would really like to meet you. 1170 01:00:51,266 --> 01:00:52,533 Can we make this happen? 1171 01:00:52,567 --> 01:00:53,834 He goes, "Absolutely, and bring him in." 1172 01:00:54,233 --> 01:00:56,333 So Chick comes out very cordial and happy, 1173 01:00:56,367 --> 01:00:58,634 and, you know, he's rehearsing, this is going great. 1174 01:00:58,667 --> 01:01:01,133 Nicky said, "Chick, what a pleasure to meet you." 1175 01:01:01,166 --> 01:01:03,000 And puts his hand out, shakes his hand. 1176 01:01:03,033 --> 01:01:04,767 He goes, "How are you doing?" 1177 01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,033 And Chick said, "Great man, great." 1178 01:01:06,367 --> 01:01:08,800 He goes, "How are you doing?" 1179 01:01:08,834 --> 01:01:10,700 And it got really quiet 1180 01:01:10,734 --> 01:01:13,467 and Nicky looks at Chick and said, "Not so good." 1181 01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:15,467 Chick goes, "Well, what's wrong?" 1182 01:01:15,500 --> 01:01:17,100 Goes, "Uh, doctor told me I have two weeks to live 1183 01:01:17,133 --> 01:01:18,367 unless I quit heroin." 1184 01:01:18,667 --> 01:01:22,100 And Chick said, "I'm gonna get you into rehab." 1185 01:01:22,634 --> 01:01:28,000 And Chick called a few phone numbers, got him into rehab, 1186 01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,734 and that probably saved his life at that moment. 1187 01:01:30,767 --> 01:01:33,333 I went in pretty negatively. I didn't think it would work, 1188 01:01:33,367 --> 01:01:35,000 I didn't think anything could work. 1189 01:01:35,033 --> 01:01:36,233 I thought, well, it's the only thing I know. 1190 01:01:36,266 --> 01:01:39,700 It's like a last ditch effort. 1191 01:01:39,734 --> 01:01:42,033 And much to my surprise, it did work. 1192 01:01:42,066 --> 01:01:44,567 I mean, which amazed me. 1193 01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,000 [Electric guitar plays] 1194 01:01:47,033 --> 01:01:51,500 I first met Nicky Hopkins in 1985, 1195 01:01:51,667 --> 01:01:54,734 and it was for a session when I, 1196 01:01:54,834 --> 01:01:56,200 The Stray Cats were taking a break, 1197 01:01:56,233 --> 01:01:58,066 and we all made solo records. 1198 01:01:58,433 --> 01:02:01,533 And Lee Rocker and myself teamed up with Earl Slick. 1199 01:02:01,567 --> 01:02:04,867 And like I said, Earl Slick knew Nicky from the past. 1200 01:02:04,900 --> 01:02:06,433 We were at the point of the record 1201 01:02:06,467 --> 01:02:08,900 where we needed the piano, Slick called Nicky. 1202 01:02:08,934 --> 01:02:10,166 Nicky came to Capital Studios. 1203 01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,133 He had a rock and roll style, 1204 01:02:12,166 --> 01:02:18,500 but very melodic and a soft touch without tinkling. 1205 01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:22,433 He had a great technique and a good pounding of the keys, 1206 01:02:22,467 --> 01:02:23,967 but in a melodic way. 1207 01:02:24,166 --> 01:02:29,166 Very, um, unusual combination that's wanted by everybody. 1208 01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,634 So he wound up playing on three tracks. 1209 01:02:31,667 --> 01:02:35,400 There was one track called, uh, "No Regrets" that he played on. 1210 01:02:35,433 --> 01:02:38,567 There was another track called "Lonely Actions" 1211 01:02:38,900 --> 01:02:40,567 that was almost like a ballad, 1212 01:02:40,734 --> 01:02:43,000 but not quite, a little bit of a rock beat to it. 1213 01:02:43,100 --> 01:02:45,867 And then he played on one called "Time Is On My Hands", 1214 01:02:46,066 --> 01:02:50,934 which is a, which is a straight-up blues in appearance. 1215 01:02:50,967 --> 01:02:52,634 But the chord changes are a little bit different. 1216 01:02:52,667 --> 01:02:56,200 It's a little, not quite as, uh, trad blues. 1217 01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,367 And Nicky played beautifully on it. 1218 01:03:01,066 --> 01:03:03,300 [Music fades] 1219 01:03:04,967 --> 01:03:07,333 [Upbeat piano plays] 1220 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:17,667 This tribute was planned. 1221 01:03:17,700 --> 01:03:21,533 And then, you know, it was only about four weeks after, 1222 01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,533 after John died that the tribute happened at the Fillmore. 1223 01:03:26,033 --> 01:03:28,467 Uh, oh, bloody hell. I, I really should be there. 1224 01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:31,367 Nicky, uh, heard about John's passing 1225 01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:36,333 and the tribute and was actually on tour 1226 01:03:36,367 --> 01:03:38,800 with Art Garfunkel in Australia. 1227 01:03:38,834 --> 01:03:41,634 And he got on a plane and made sure 1228 01:03:41,667 --> 01:03:43,100 he was at the Fillmore 1229 01:03:43,133 --> 01:03:47,400 to, to memorialize John's legacy there. 1230 01:03:47,567 --> 01:03:50,367 [Upbeat music plays] 1231 01:03:54,433 --> 01:03:57,367 BOB: And when John passed away, he'd not only lost 1232 01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,700 a very close friend, he'd lost a kindred spirit. 1233 01:04:01,233 --> 01:04:04,000 It seemed fitting that Nicky would reunite with 1234 01:04:04,033 --> 01:04:08,233 Terry and the Pirates to say farewell to John. 1235 01:04:09,634 --> 01:04:14,734 [Music and piano continue] 1236 01:04:27,634 --> 01:04:30,767 [Music fades to rock song] 1237 01:04:31,333 --> 01:04:33,934 There was one song called "Don't Touch Me". 1238 01:04:34,233 --> 01:04:37,467 Uh, I had this kind of little modal guitar intro 1239 01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:38,934 and this cool beat, 1240 01:04:38,967 --> 01:04:40,800 and it was, it's just a classic Nicky thing 1241 01:04:40,834 --> 01:04:42,767 'cause I play a lick and there's a hole, 1242 01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,600 play a lick and there's a hole, play... 1243 01:04:44,634 --> 01:04:47,200 There's about four or five of those before I started singing. 1244 01:04:47,467 --> 01:04:51,867 And right off the bat, I played this very kind of classic, 1245 01:04:51,900 --> 01:04:54,967 um, I, this is a bad word, it's not classical, 1246 01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,400 but it was a little demented. 1247 01:04:56,567 --> 01:04:59,467 It was off the rock path, and instantly in the hole, 1248 01:04:59,500 --> 01:05:02,266 Nicky started doing demented answering, 1249 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,634 and it was just completely natural, 1250 01:05:04,667 --> 01:05:06,033 like when we were jamming. 1251 01:05:06,066 --> 01:05:08,367 So Nicky was mostly on piano all the time. 1252 01:05:08,433 --> 01:05:11,266 And, uh, as we went from song to song, 1253 01:05:11,300 --> 01:05:13,300 Jeffrey and I would, uh, arrange the songs 1254 01:05:13,333 --> 01:05:14,834 and be pretty together with 1255 01:05:14,867 --> 01:05:16,166 here's the arrangement, here's the chord. 1256 01:05:16,433 --> 01:05:18,600 So right off the bat, especially with Nicky, 1257 01:05:18,634 --> 01:05:21,533 when we started recording, he was already, uh, 1258 01:05:21,567 --> 01:05:25,266 with no real direction from us other than: "Be Nicky Hopkins". 1259 01:05:25,367 --> 01:05:27,233 He was already orchestrating the music. 1260 01:05:27,333 --> 01:05:29,166 You know, he would do these octave themes 1261 01:05:29,266 --> 01:05:31,667 and just naturally, he would pull back 1262 01:05:31,700 --> 01:05:33,066 when the singing was happening. 1263 01:05:33,100 --> 01:05:35,200 When the singing stopped, he'd lean into it. 1264 01:05:35,233 --> 01:05:38,867 But it was always very thematic and cinematic, in a way. 1265 01:05:38,900 --> 01:05:41,800 And it was just, you know, beautiful, you know, 1266 01:05:41,834 --> 01:05:43,800 session work, improv by Nicky. 1267 01:05:45,834 --> 01:05:47,467 [Music fades] 1268 01:05:50,066 --> 01:05:53,467 He had a famously difficult girlfriend-wife, 1269 01:05:53,500 --> 01:05:55,033 his first wife Dolly, 1270 01:05:55,066 --> 01:05:57,333 who was very ambitious for Nicky to be a rock star. 1271 01:05:57,367 --> 01:06:00,266 And probably prompted him into a solo career, 1272 01:06:00,300 --> 01:06:01,767 which was not his strength. 1273 01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,233 He wasn't a front man, he was a side man. 1274 01:06:04,266 --> 01:06:07,667 He was a brilliant side man, but not a front man. 1275 01:06:07,700 --> 01:06:09,367 I think his wife, Dolly, 1276 01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,200 was handling most of his business at the time. 1277 01:06:12,433 --> 01:06:20,100 Dolly was combination, wife, lover, babysitter, um, 1278 01:06:20,934 --> 01:06:22,500 mother, all of the above. 1279 01:06:22,533 --> 01:06:25,400 For about three years, everything was fine. 1280 01:06:25,433 --> 01:06:26,834 They got along fine. 1281 01:06:26,867 --> 01:06:30,767 And, um, you know, they had fun together. 1282 01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:36,333 But, um, I think, uh, something changed. 1283 01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,133 He said it was a challenging relationship, really. 1284 01:06:40,266 --> 01:06:46,700 But he didn't want to disparage her at all. 1285 01:06:46,734 --> 01:06:48,600 He was very gentlemanly like that. 1286 01:06:48,634 --> 01:06:52,567 And, you know, it was grey. It was faults on both sides. 1287 01:06:52,634 --> 01:06:56,233 They grew apart because... 1288 01:06:57,834 --> 01:07:02,300 well, Nicky had gone to rehab 1289 01:07:02,867 --> 01:07:09,600 and I believe Dolly did too, but she didn't stick with it. 1290 01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:16,233 So quite honestly, she, she was still drinking, 1291 01:07:16,634 --> 01:07:22,467 whereas he had stopped, you know, but that's very difficult. 1292 01:07:22,500 --> 01:07:26,767 Like, if, you know, you've just gone through rehab 1293 01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,033 and then there's somebody living in the same household, 1294 01:07:30,500 --> 01:07:33,467 you know, who is drinking every day. 1295 01:07:33,834 --> 01:07:35,900 It's, it's difficult. 1296 01:07:36,100 --> 01:07:39,667 I, yeah, when I first met, uh, Moira with Nicky, 1297 01:07:39,834 --> 01:07:43,100 I thought, whoa, he's landed on his feet with this lady. 1298 01:07:43,333 --> 01:07:47,266 It was instantly, uh, the way 1299 01:07:47,300 --> 01:07:50,266 I'd like to see my friend with somebody like that. 1300 01:07:50,300 --> 01:07:51,900 It's, it was a very nice thing. 1301 01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,266 Somebody took me up to meet Nicky 1302 01:07:54,300 --> 01:07:56,000 and I was introduced to him, 1303 01:07:56,033 --> 01:07:57,567 and he shook my hand. 1304 01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:03,333 And, um, you know, uh, I can't remember what we said, 1305 01:08:03,500 --> 01:08:10,600 but he was so kind and so nice that I walked away 1306 01:08:10,767 --> 01:08:14,000 and I said to my friend, I said, "Wow." 1307 01:08:14,066 --> 01:08:17,166 I said, I wish I could marry somebody like Nicky Hopkins, 1308 01:08:17,333 --> 01:08:18,800 [She laughs] 1309 01:08:18,834 --> 01:08:20,333 'cause he's so nice. 1310 01:08:20,367 --> 01:08:26,200 You know, he was just, just a wonderful human being. 1311 01:08:26,333 --> 01:08:29,734 And it, it kind of shone through. 1312 01:08:32,667 --> 01:08:38,200 You know, Nicky liked Art, and Art liked Nicky, 1313 01:08:38,233 --> 01:08:39,600 and he loved his work. 1314 01:08:39,634 --> 01:08:41,433 Nicky called me and he said, 1315 01:08:41,467 --> 01:08:43,767 "I'm doing this show with Art Garfunkel 1316 01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,867 on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, 1317 01:08:45,967 --> 01:08:47,300 and we need strings. 1318 01:08:47,333 --> 01:08:49,200 Will you play the strings for us?" 1319 01:08:49,233 --> 01:08:51,734 I started playing these great orchestral string sounds, 1320 01:08:51,767 --> 01:08:53,400 and Art was like, 1321 01:08:53,433 --> 01:08:57,433 "What I'm looking for is a snowbird walking on snow. 1322 01:08:57,533 --> 01:08:59,867 Real thin, simple. Boom." 1323 01:08:59,934 --> 01:09:01,567 I'm watching Nicky play the intro, 1324 01:09:01,667 --> 01:09:05,734 and he just does this simple, beautiful... wasn't simple. 1325 01:09:05,900 --> 01:09:07,133 He makes it look simple. 1326 01:09:07,166 --> 01:09:09,500 This beautiful intro to this song. 1327 01:09:09,767 --> 01:09:14,734 Art comes in, and even as a musician, you well up, 1328 01:09:14,767 --> 01:09:16,634 you get the chills, the hair goes up, 1329 01:09:16,667 --> 01:09:18,800 and you're like, this is magic. 1330 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,400 [Sings]: ♪ Here I am 1331 01:09:22,700 --> 01:09:26,266 ♪ Alone on the plain 1332 01:09:27,233 --> 01:09:31,533 ♪ Sun's going down 1333 01:09:32,133 --> 01:09:36,133 ♪ It's starting to rain 1334 01:09:36,767 --> 01:09:41,200 ♪ Papa, we'll go sailing ♪ 1335 01:09:41,734 --> 01:09:42,967 [Music fades] 1336 01:09:43,367 --> 01:09:46,533 When Art, uh, played the Albert Hall, 1337 01:09:46,867 --> 01:09:51,233 and, uh, Nicky was, you know, not only playing the piano, 1338 01:09:51,433 --> 01:09:53,934 he was also his music director. 1339 01:09:54,734 --> 01:10:00,100 Art took a, a break, you know, um, for his voice, 1340 01:10:00,166 --> 01:10:03,900 like, just for about 5 or 10 minutes, 1341 01:10:04,133 --> 01:10:09,200 and he introduced Nicky as the legendary Nicky Hopkins 1342 01:10:09,233 --> 01:10:11,834 playing his own composition. 1343 01:10:12,100 --> 01:10:14,667 And, uh, it was a piece that Nicky wrote 1344 01:10:14,700 --> 01:10:16,634 when he came back to Britain. 1345 01:10:16,734 --> 01:10:19,433 He was so happy to be home that 1346 01:10:19,467 --> 01:10:23,600 he wrote this piece of music called "The Homecoming", 1347 01:10:23,634 --> 01:10:26,166 and he played it at the Royal Albert Hall. 1348 01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:31,834 And that was very nice of Art to allow him to do that. 1349 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:36,433 [Soft piano plays] 1350 01:10:51,634 --> 01:10:54,033 JIM: Nicky Hopkins was the kind of piano player 1351 01:10:54,066 --> 01:10:55,467 that you needed 1352 01:10:55,500 --> 01:10:58,767 if you were gonna play with Art Garfunkel. 1353 01:10:58,834 --> 01:10:59,967 Artie knew that. 1354 01:11:00,066 --> 01:11:02,800 And, uh, to his credit, you know, 1355 01:11:03,367 --> 01:11:06,367 they made some great music together. 1356 01:11:06,734 --> 01:11:09,400 [Soft piano plays] 1357 01:11:10,166 --> 01:11:15,300 I met Nicky in February, 1987 through Gray Levett, 1358 01:11:15,567 --> 01:11:18,367 who was representing Nicky at the time. 1359 01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:20,767 Woody Woodmansey had introduced me to Gray 1360 01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,367 because I left Dexys Midnight Runners 1361 01:11:25,033 --> 01:11:27,400 and I was forging a new career, um, 1362 01:11:27,433 --> 01:11:29,567 and writing an instrumental album. 1363 01:11:29,634 --> 01:11:31,233 And when I met Gray, he said, 1364 01:11:31,266 --> 01:11:36,734 "Nick is doing a similar project writing instrumental music." 1365 01:11:36,867 --> 01:11:38,900 So he said, "Why don't you two get together?" 1366 01:11:38,934 --> 01:11:42,400 And the thought of playing with Nicky was, um, 1367 01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,033 a dream come true, really, I suppose. 1368 01:11:46,066 --> 01:11:49,400 And that was the start of a musical relationship 1369 01:11:49,433 --> 01:11:50,600 and our friendship. 1370 01:11:50,867 --> 01:11:53,667 He loved being back in, uh, England. 1371 01:11:53,767 --> 01:11:55,500 He'd moved from America, 1372 01:11:55,533 --> 01:11:58,800 and I came over from America and joined him. 1373 01:11:58,934 --> 01:12:03,266 And then we got married at, um, Hever Castle. 1374 01:12:03,300 --> 01:12:04,667 It was at Hever Castle. 1375 01:12:04,934 --> 01:12:09,634 The special guest of honor was Art Garfunkel, 1376 01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,934 and his, uh, his wife. 1377 01:12:12,066 --> 01:12:13,734 It was a great day. It was a sunny day. 1378 01:12:13,767 --> 01:12:18,133 We had, you know, um, someone playing the bagpipes, 1379 01:12:18,166 --> 01:12:21,600 dressed up in the Highland attire. 1380 01:12:21,934 --> 01:12:24,066 We had to go back to America, 1381 01:12:24,133 --> 01:12:27,400 because he was missing a lot of work. 1382 01:12:27,634 --> 01:12:31,934 You know, Joe Cocker had been looking for him, 1383 01:12:31,967 --> 01:12:34,166 wanted to come play on an album. 1384 01:12:34,233 --> 01:12:38,600 And, um, someone else, I can't think who it was now, 1385 01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:42,900 but, um, so we wound up, we, we went back to LA. 1386 01:12:42,934 --> 01:12:45,200 [Music fades] 1387 01:12:45,967 --> 01:12:48,000 [Rock music plays] 1388 01:12:48,033 --> 01:12:53,734 You know, we had, I think, met with Nicky, 1389 01:12:53,767 --> 01:12:56,333 uh, when we were getting, 1390 01:12:56,367 --> 01:12:59,900 when we were looking for people to be in the band. 1391 01:13:00,266 --> 01:13:03,600 I think we met with him just to have the thrill of meeting Nicky 1392 01:13:03,634 --> 01:13:06,900 because he was, I think he was busy at the time. 1393 01:13:07,467 --> 01:13:10,734 And so we just thought, well, let's, let's have a meeting. 1394 01:13:10,767 --> 01:13:12,133 We weren't jerking him off or anything. 1395 01:13:12,166 --> 01:13:14,133 We just wanted to say, we're doing this 1396 01:13:14,166 --> 01:13:16,133 and you're doing that, and how great. 1397 01:13:16,166 --> 01:13:18,734 But he was working. 1398 01:13:21,467 --> 01:13:23,734 I think he would've been too good for us, 1399 01:13:23,934 --> 01:13:25,400 you know, what we were trying to do. 1400 01:13:25,433 --> 01:13:27,000 We weren't trying to do bad music, 1401 01:13:27,033 --> 01:13:29,533 but I mean, Nicky was a virtuoso. 1402 01:13:29,567 --> 01:13:32,734 I think we would've had trouble making that funny. 1403 01:13:32,867 --> 01:13:36,567 And then when, when "Rainy Day Sun" came up, 1404 01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:38,500 we just thought, that's the guy. 1405 01:13:38,533 --> 01:13:41,467 We're not asking him to be in something for 28 days. 1406 01:13:41,500 --> 01:13:43,834 We're asking him to come to a session. 1407 01:13:43,967 --> 01:13:46,600 And, uh, we got it. We got it together. 1408 01:13:46,634 --> 01:13:50,800 MOIRA: Well, when Nicky did the recording with Spinal Tap, 1409 01:13:50,900 --> 01:13:52,934 I took him down to the studio 1410 01:13:53,100 --> 01:13:55,867 and he was asking Christopher Guest 1411 01:13:55,900 --> 01:14:02,066 if he didn't, like, model his part in Spinal Tap on Jeff Beck. 1412 01:14:02,100 --> 01:14:03,533 He said, go on, just tell me. 1413 01:14:03,567 --> 01:14:06,000 He goes, you were Jeff Beck, weren't you? 1414 01:14:06,033 --> 01:14:07,500 [She laughs] 1415 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,300 And he wouldn't tell him. He wouldn't admit to it. 1416 01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:13,900 You know, part of the thrill of doing that project was, 1417 01:14:14,266 --> 01:14:18,000 uh, either in the making or later getting to meet people 1418 01:14:18,033 --> 01:14:20,934 that we really just thought the world of. 1419 01:14:21,033 --> 01:14:23,667 And, uh, Nicky was absolutely one of them. 1420 01:14:24,967 --> 01:14:26,967 [Music fades] 1421 01:14:27,166 --> 01:14:29,266 [Jazz song plays] 1422 01:14:29,433 --> 01:14:34,634 Back in '92, Nicky and I played piano together 1423 01:14:34,667 --> 01:14:36,266 on a, a zero album, 1424 01:14:36,567 --> 01:14:39,867 uh, Chance in a Million being recorded live 1425 01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:43,967 and, uh, at Great American Music Hall in San Francisco. 1426 01:14:44,300 --> 01:14:46,967 And we just went nuts and started trading licks 1427 01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,300 back and forth in the, uh, piano solo. 1428 01:14:49,333 --> 01:14:51,934 When I grew up listening to so many different kinds of music 1429 01:14:51,967 --> 01:14:55,200 that I like a lot of different kinds of music, 1430 01:14:55,233 --> 01:14:57,867 and I've learned to play them over the years too. 1431 01:14:57,934 --> 01:15:00,133 I mean, I've become quite involved in, 1432 01:15:00,166 --> 01:15:03,500 in many different kinds and different forms of music. 1433 01:15:04,066 --> 01:15:08,600 So I don't feel that it's necessarily being a dilettante 1434 01:15:08,634 --> 01:15:11,567 with all, with any particular form of music. 1435 01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:15,900 I think I've gotten to know many kinds of music quite well, 1436 01:15:15,934 --> 01:15:16,967 or very well. 1437 01:15:17,533 --> 01:15:21,767 BOB: The spring of 1993 found Nicky in an upbeat mood. 1438 01:15:21,867 --> 01:15:24,734 Plans had been formed to begin recording 1439 01:15:24,767 --> 01:15:27,300 with Frankie Miller and Joe Walsh. 1440 01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:30,800 There were discussions regarding a tour with Harry Nilsson, 1441 01:15:30,900 --> 01:15:34,300 and he had his own ongoing film projects. 1442 01:15:34,867 --> 01:15:39,734 And everything was actually fine for about two or three years. 1443 01:15:39,767 --> 01:15:44,100 He didn't complain of any, um, upsets. 1444 01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:50,467 And then sadly, um, '93 wasn't a good year, 1445 01:15:50,767 --> 01:15:56,066 because he had a sudden eruption that, um, put him in hospital. 1446 01:15:56,100 --> 01:15:57,700 And he was saying that he was going in 1447 01:15:57,734 --> 01:15:58,967 and out of the hospital. 1448 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:00,967 His Crohn's disease was kicking in, 1449 01:16:01,467 --> 01:16:04,467 and they were just taking more intestine out and doing that. 1450 01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:08,767 Even today, most people after, say, 1451 01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,934 10 years of having Crohn's disease 1452 01:16:10,967 --> 01:16:13,867 has had some form of surgery. 1453 01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,900 But back in Nicky's day, it probably was the main 1454 01:16:17,934 --> 01:16:21,400 form of treatment in the end, because there were so few drugs. 1455 01:16:21,467 --> 01:16:24,266 He had to have one organ or another removed. 1456 01:16:24,367 --> 01:16:27,300 I thought it was his kidney, but maybe it was something else. 1457 01:16:27,700 --> 01:16:30,600 BOB: Moira received many messages from friends 1458 01:16:30,634 --> 01:16:32,100 for Nicky's recovery, 1459 01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:36,100 including an unexpected one from an ex-Beetle. 1460 01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,834 Paul happened to be in LA when, uh, 1461 01:16:39,867 --> 01:16:47,500 Nicky was ill in hospital, and he made a point of calling up 1462 01:16:47,867 --> 01:16:52,333 and, uh, saying to me, "Please give all the best to Nicky 1463 01:16:52,700 --> 01:16:56,967 and tell him, you know, I hope that he gets well soon, 1464 01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,667 and that, you know, I'm thinking of him." 1465 01:16:59,934 --> 01:17:03,333 And that was really wonderful. 1466 01:17:03,367 --> 01:17:05,600 [Music fades] 1467 01:17:08,700 --> 01:17:13,300 We were living just up the road from Joe Walsh in Encino 1468 01:17:13,634 --> 01:17:15,300 in, uh, Los Angeles. 1469 01:17:15,700 --> 01:17:20,066 So Nicky and Joe got together with Terry Reid, 1470 01:17:20,166 --> 01:17:22,767 and they put this band together called the Flu. 1471 01:17:22,834 --> 01:17:26,066 That's Joe's idea: "What are we gonna call it? The Flu?" 1472 01:17:26,100 --> 01:17:27,634 I'm going, oh God, here we go. 1473 01:17:27,834 --> 01:17:31,033 BOB: Joe was in negotiations for the reforming of the Eagles, 1474 01:17:31,133 --> 01:17:35,066 but it didn't stop these three friends having some fun. 1475 01:17:35,166 --> 01:17:36,900 When you're doing gigs as a band, 1476 01:17:36,934 --> 01:17:39,567 you know yourself as playing, you know, when you're playing, 1477 01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,400 you remember those gigs. 1478 01:17:42,433 --> 01:17:44,233 INTERVIEWER: That's quite a lineup, Terry. 1479 01:17:44,266 --> 01:17:47,200 Oh, it's a hell of a, oh, no, oh, the rehearsals! 1480 01:17:47,233 --> 01:17:49,834 INTERVIEWER: I 'd like to be a fly on the wall. 1481 01:17:49,934 --> 01:17:52,767 Oh, God, I felt like we were flies on the wall. 1482 01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:54,300 Now when, when you're doing rehearsals, 1483 01:17:54,333 --> 01:17:56,066 you never knew what was gonna happen. 1484 01:17:56,266 --> 01:18:00,367 I mean, with Joe, everything, every, I dunno, I love Joe. 1485 01:18:00,533 --> 01:18:03,734 He is the funniest guy I think I've ever met in music. 1486 01:18:03,767 --> 01:18:08,100 They had a great concert, and he was hoping to do more. 1487 01:18:08,433 --> 01:18:13,700 And actually, um, Nicky did do more with Joe 1488 01:18:14,133 --> 01:18:16,700 and a Scottish singer called Frankie Miller. 1489 01:18:17,033 --> 01:18:20,567 They recorded about four or five pieces of music 1490 01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:25,266 in this little recording studio in, uh, Georgia. 1491 01:18:26,166 --> 01:18:29,100 BOB: 1994 began badly for Nicky. 1492 01:18:29,367 --> 01:18:33,367 The Northridge earthquake occurred in the early hours 1493 01:18:33,500 --> 01:18:37,433 in the San Fernando Valley region of Los Angeles. 1494 01:18:37,767 --> 01:18:42,300 The northern half, which is the, posher half is built on rock, 1495 01:18:42,734 --> 01:18:47,166 and rock communicates these vibrations very thoroughly. 1496 01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:48,734 It's a good conductor. 1497 01:18:48,767 --> 01:18:50,700 So if you lived in the northern half of Santa Monica, 1498 01:18:50,734 --> 01:18:52,100 your house did like that, 1499 01:18:52,233 --> 01:18:53,934 and the southern half of Santa Monica is built on sand, 1500 01:18:53,967 --> 01:18:56,333 which doesn't conduct it nearly as well. 1501 01:18:56,367 --> 01:18:59,567 All of a sudden, the entire room started going 1502 01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,700 four feet in each direction. 1503 01:19:01,934 --> 01:19:04,934 The earth was like, for a lack of a better word, 1504 01:19:04,967 --> 01:19:07,166 screaming and moaning 1505 01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,834 like these giant sounds of, like, the earth grinding. 1506 01:19:10,867 --> 01:19:17,233 It was the strangest earthquake because not only was it like, 1507 01:19:17,266 --> 01:19:20,834 you had to be walking uphill almost 1508 01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:26,033 that the earth was, I mean, it was moving in chunks, 1509 01:19:26,567 --> 01:19:31,066 and also it was going from side to side as well. 1510 01:19:31,100 --> 01:19:32,834 The whole city's been decimated. 1511 01:19:32,867 --> 01:19:36,667 Power's out everywhere and days of, you know, 1512 01:19:36,734 --> 01:19:39,767 reconstruction, if you will, putting your life back together. 1513 01:19:39,834 --> 01:19:42,333 We could see fires starting up. 1514 01:19:42,867 --> 01:19:45,467 I mean, it was really scary. 1515 01:19:45,533 --> 01:19:49,400 And it was like being on board ship all that night. 1516 01:19:49,467 --> 01:19:52,867 The aftershocks just kept rolling through. 1517 01:19:52,900 --> 01:19:55,133 He had enough, he said, "No, that's it. 1518 01:19:55,233 --> 01:19:57,066 I can't do this anymore." 1519 01:19:57,300 --> 01:20:02,800 And, uh, and he picked up and, uh, moved to, to Nashville. 1520 01:20:02,834 --> 01:20:05,367 [Slow piano plays] 1521 01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:07,066 I'm sure that, um, 1522 01:20:07,100 --> 01:20:10,867 Nicky moving to Nashville was the best thing for him. 1523 01:20:10,900 --> 01:20:12,533 It definitely was the best thing for me. 1524 01:20:12,567 --> 01:20:14,166 There were people in Nashville that were excited 1525 01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:16,066 that Nicky Hopkins had moved to town. 1526 01:20:16,100 --> 01:20:23,700 I think we got there about, um, in March of, um, '94. 1527 01:20:24,734 --> 01:20:27,867 BOB: Just as they were settling into life in Nashville, 1528 01:20:27,900 --> 01:20:30,634 Nicky started to feel unwell. 1529 01:20:30,867 --> 01:20:33,734 He asked me to take him to a chiropractor 1530 01:20:33,767 --> 01:20:35,867 because he had lower back pain, 1531 01:20:35,900 --> 01:20:38,100 and he never had lower back pain. 1532 01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:42,133 And, and, um, he said that the chiropractor said, 1533 01:20:42,166 --> 01:20:46,400 "I think that perhaps you might want to make an appointment 1534 01:20:46,433 --> 01:20:47,934 to see your doctor" 1535 01:20:48,066 --> 01:20:51,367 because, uh, he suspected something was wrong. 1536 01:20:51,767 --> 01:20:53,734 BOB: Two days later, Nicky and Moira 1537 01:20:53,767 --> 01:20:56,000 celebrated Labor Day together. 1538 01:20:56,066 --> 01:20:59,533 I was feeling tired. I said, I'm going to go up to bed. 1539 01:20:59,900 --> 01:21:01,233 And, uh, he said, "Well, 1540 01:21:01,266 --> 01:21:03,400 I'm just gonna stay down for a little while. 1541 01:21:03,500 --> 01:21:08,500 I'm, you know..." and, uh, so I went up to bed 1542 01:21:08,533 --> 01:21:12,667 and it was about, I guess I, I don't know, 1543 01:21:12,700 --> 01:21:16,467 I'd fallen asleep, but I, I heard him yell out, 1544 01:21:16,734 --> 01:21:23,567 and I went running downstairs, and he was in excruciating pain. 1545 01:21:23,867 --> 01:21:28,767 And, um, I called, uh, an ambulance. 1546 01:21:28,834 --> 01:21:30,700 I got him to the hospital, 1547 01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:35,500 and they wouldn't give him anything to kill the pain. 1548 01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:42,000 They said they had to wait for his doctor to arrive, 1549 01:21:42,433 --> 01:21:44,667 and he took his time. 1550 01:21:44,934 --> 01:21:50,867 And so, it was too late. 1551 01:21:50,967 --> 01:21:55,500 You know, Nicky couldn't take it. His heart gave out. 1552 01:22:00,867 --> 01:22:04,834 I just thought I was so lucky, you know, 1553 01:22:04,867 --> 01:22:07,700 um, to have the marriage I had. 1554 01:22:07,734 --> 01:22:11,367 I had a very, very happy marriage. 1555 01:22:11,834 --> 01:22:15,033 And I shared my life with a wonderful, 1556 01:22:15,066 --> 01:22:17,300 wonderful person, you know. 1557 01:22:22,233 --> 01:22:25,166 [Nostalgic music plays] 1558 01:22:25,333 --> 01:22:27,200 Being, you know, a young guy 1559 01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,000 at the top of his game also battling this, you know, 1560 01:22:30,033 --> 01:22:31,800 chronic illness that no one knows anything about. 1561 01:22:31,834 --> 01:22:34,634 And it's invisible, it's that people don't really understand. 1562 01:22:34,667 --> 01:22:37,367 And I think that is, you know, it's kind of heartbreaking 1563 01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:39,967 that, you know, he probably should be still alive right now. 1564 01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:41,700 It's important to remember people 1565 01:22:41,734 --> 01:22:44,867 who made music popular 1566 01:22:44,967 --> 01:22:51,000 and, uh, long lived with their prowess 1567 01:22:51,033 --> 01:22:54,266 on an instrument that really does take, uh, 1568 01:22:54,300 --> 01:22:56,967 some work and some major talent to master. 1569 01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:58,934 And he, he certainly was a master of it. 1570 01:22:58,967 --> 01:23:03,400 I think everyone remembers him really fondly, and always have. 1571 01:23:03,433 --> 01:23:05,600 And, you know, I miss Nicky a lot. 1572 01:23:05,634 --> 01:23:10,834 I can't, I can't really explain just how brilliant he was. 1573 01:23:10,867 --> 01:23:12,900 But the reason why we're sitting here today 1574 01:23:12,934 --> 01:23:15,000 is because he was an astonishing musician. 1575 01:23:15,066 --> 01:23:18,200 The like of which I've never come across since. 1576 01:23:18,233 --> 01:23:19,834 And if you are musically inclined 1577 01:23:19,867 --> 01:23:23,800 and he had a piano around, he could... 1578 01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:27,600 he could entrance you. 1579 01:23:27,634 --> 01:23:29,166 We became friends so easily. 1580 01:23:29,667 --> 01:23:32,166 It's hard not to be a friend of, of Nicky's. 1581 01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,667 Nicky was a pure musician, 1582 01:23:34,900 --> 01:23:37,333 and his contributions are purely musical. 1583 01:23:37,367 --> 01:23:41,200 And I think that that deserves remembering. 1584 01:23:41,233 --> 01:23:43,500 I was talking to him about his playing 1585 01:23:43,834 --> 01:23:48,266 and, uh, how detailed it was and how precision he was. 1586 01:23:48,300 --> 01:23:52,133 And he says, well, I'm Chopin. 1587 01:23:52,834 --> 01:23:55,800 And I said, "What?" He said, "Yes, 1588 01:23:55,834 --> 01:23:59,200 I'm a reincarnation of Frederick Chopin." 1589 01:23:59,233 --> 01:24:00,900 And I said, "Okay..." 1590 01:24:00,934 --> 01:24:03,500 And he did more than believe that he was Frederick Chopin. 1591 01:24:03,533 --> 01:24:06,967 He knew that he was so positive about that fact 1592 01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:10,166 that I just had to believe him. 1593 01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:16,133 Nicky did believe, um, that he was Chopin in another life, 1594 01:24:16,367 --> 01:24:21,433 and he used to play, um, he listened to a lot of Chopin 1595 01:24:21,467 --> 01:24:25,400 and he used to, you know, play on the keyboards, 1596 01:24:25,433 --> 01:24:26,667 um, and piano. 1597 01:24:26,900 --> 01:24:30,400 If there was a piano around, he'd play Chopin. 1598 01:24:30,634 --> 01:24:33,967 And I think that that could very well be the case, 1599 01:24:34,066 --> 01:24:37,800 because he was just that talent, 1600 01:24:37,834 --> 01:24:40,100 talent on that 1601 01:24:42,333 --> 01:24:48,900 high spiritual, uh, classical level. 1602 01:24:49,066 --> 01:24:50,734 I think he was. 1603 01:24:51,100 --> 01:24:52,967 Reincarnation is to do with human beings. 1604 01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,333 So it's quite possible what Nicky said is, is true. 1605 01:24:55,367 --> 01:24:57,734 But I would've thought that if he was, 1606 01:24:57,767 --> 01:24:59,200 if he was Chopin in his last lifetime, 1607 01:24:59,233 --> 01:25:01,100 he'd be a bit sick of playing the piano. 1608 01:25:01,133 --> 01:25:03,200 I think he'd probably try and be doing something else. 1609 01:25:03,567 --> 01:25:05,634 Um, you know. [Laughs] 1610 01:25:06,567 --> 01:25:10,233 BOB: Nicky's musical career spanned just over 30 years, 1611 01:25:10,266 --> 01:25:12,133 and during that time, 1612 01:25:12,166 --> 01:25:14,734 he played with some of the greatest bands in the world. 1613 01:25:14,767 --> 01:25:17,367 His contributions on their records 1614 01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:21,266 made him rock and roll's greatest Session Man. 1615 01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:25,333 [Upbeat piano plays] 126272

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