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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:28,730 --> 00:00:30,150 Trust me when I tell you. 2 00:00:31,159 --> 00:00:33,299 This isn't another way to save your story. 3 00:00:36,540 --> 00:00:38,350 This is a white nightmare story. 4 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,110 It's another strange coincidence all along I'd imagined I'd 5 00:01:25,624 --> 00:01:28,538 All along I'd imagined I'd start this film 6 00:01:29,429 --> 00:01:32,710 with the story of To Kill a Mockingbird. 7 00:01:36,399 --> 00:01:38,119 That story like mine. 8 00:01:38,369 --> 00:01:39,619 Is set in Alabama? 9 00:01:41,179 --> 00:01:45,780 I takes place in a fictional town based on a real piece called Monroeville 10 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,029 That town sits about 100 miles west of Dothan. 11 00:01:51,130 --> 00:01:52,579 Where my family comes from. 12 00:01:58,949 --> 00:02:01,179 Both stories deal with racism and violence 13 00:02:03,030 --> 00:02:04,230 Both, it turns out 14 00:02:04,331 --> 00:02:06,539 have sexual violence in them too 15 00:02:09,850 --> 00:02:11,185 Her story is set in the 1930's 16 00:02:11,286 --> 00:02:13,600 But mine takes place in the 40's 17 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,280 Her story is a fiction. 18 00:02:20,020 --> 00:02:21,289 Whereas mine is true. 19 00:02:24,269 --> 00:02:25,519 Hers is liberal. 20 00:02:26,239 --> 00:02:27,489 Whereas mine is radical. 21 00:02:32,100 --> 00:02:33,930 Hers is structured like a fable. 22 00:02:35,650 --> 00:02:37,409 Whereas mine shatters into bits. 23 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,459 In the filmed version of her novel 24 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:45,830 Gregory Peck plays Atticus Finch, 25 00:02:46,859 --> 00:02:49,729 The role supposedly inspired by her father. 26 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,760 The American Film Institute named him 27 00:02:52,870 --> 00:02:54,149 the greatest film hero of all time 28 00:02:54,250 --> 00:02:55,500 of all time. 29 00:02:58,930 --> 00:03:01,190 But that's because he isn't a human being, 30 00:03:02,049 --> 00:03:03,249 he never wavers, 31 00:03:03,350 --> 00:03:04,600 he doesn't lust 32 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:07,500 he doesn't rage, 33 00:03:08,060 --> 00:03:09,310 He doesn't curse, 34 00:03:10,199 --> 00:03:11,900 he doesn't make human errors, 35 00:03:13,620 --> 00:03:15,360 he's a secular saint, 36 00:03:15,850 --> 00:03:17,600 not a flesh and blood human being. 37 00:03:19,289 --> 00:03:22,550 And that's another huge difference between my story and hers. 38 00:03:23,419 --> 00:03:24,720 Because my white relative 39 00:03:26,269 --> 00:03:28,459 wasn't standing on the steps of that jail, 40 00:03:29,060 --> 00:03:31,519 bravely stopping the lynching of a black man. 41 00:03:35,829 --> 00:03:37,079 No, my great grandfather 42 00:03:37,269 --> 00:03:40,219 would have been one of the members of that racist lynch mob, 43 00:03:40,690 --> 00:03:42,079 reeking of booze, 44 00:03:42,940 --> 00:03:44,190 carrying a rope, 45 00:03:44,500 --> 00:03:45,750 and a pistol. 46 00:03:46,389 --> 00:03:47,639 Wearing a fedora 47 00:03:48,669 --> 00:03:49,919 and a terrifying smile 48 00:04:55,004 --> 00:04:57,215 I know it sounds like I'm making this up, 49 00:04:57,434 --> 00:04:59,676 but this whole thing really did start for me 50 00:04:59,777 --> 00:05:04,699 in the streets of south Los Angeles and the days just after the Zimmerman verdict. 51 00:05:07,250 --> 00:05:11,500 Justice for Trayvon! 52 00:05:12,730 --> 00:05:16,092 I couldn't get it out of my head, how much the story 53 00:05:16,193 --> 00:05:20,009 of Trayvon Martin reminded me of a family legend, 54 00:05:20,110 --> 00:05:23,772 that my great-grandfather, Samuel Edwin Branch, 55 00:05:23,873 --> 00:05:28,142 of Dothan, Alabama, had murdered a black man in the 1940's, 56 00:05:28,243 --> 00:05:30,493 and had gotten away with it. 57 00:05:33,119 --> 00:05:34,369 I also knew from memory, 58 00:05:34,900 --> 00:05:38,289 that Dothan sits just 18 miles from the Florida line. 59 00:05:39,239 --> 00:05:42,669 I called my mother during the march and asked her what she knew. 60 00:05:43,590 --> 00:05:46,809 After I got off the phone, this is what happened. 61 00:05:47,070 --> 00:05:50,559 In Los Angeles police called a citywide tactical alert, 62 00:05:50,660 --> 00:05:52,960 as about two hundred protesters 63 00:05:53,270 --> 00:05:55,809 closed a portion of the 10 freeway for about 25 minutes. 64 00:05:55,910 --> 00:05:58,160 By the time I was back home, 65 00:05:59,109 --> 00:06:00,859 she'd sent me this in an email 66 00:06:02,229 --> 00:06:05,780 from the Dothan Eagle October 14th 1946. 67 00:06:07,129 --> 00:06:11,668 Bill Spand, Dothan negro, shot Saturday night during an altercation 68 00:06:11,769 --> 00:06:15,403 at Branch's grocery store on West Houston Street 69 00:06:15,595 --> 00:06:18,700 died yesterday in a Dothan hospital. 70 00:06:19,010 --> 00:06:22,192 The charge against SE Branch at 508 South Oak St., 71 00:06:22,293 --> 00:06:25,133 has been changed from assault with intent to murder 72 00:06:25,539 --> 00:06:26,789 To first degree murder. 73 00:06:28,100 --> 00:06:30,609 Span was shot twice in the neck and lower abdomen. 74 00:06:30,710 --> 00:06:36,029 Around 7:30 Saturday night, with a 32 caliber pistol 75 00:06:36,130 --> 00:06:40,071 Branch told officers that the negro entered the store 76 00:06:40,304 --> 00:06:43,624 cursed him and started to attack him with a knife 77 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,449 when he shot him in self-defense. 78 00:06:47,390 --> 00:06:49,799 Let me move backward, before I move forward. 79 00:06:51,118 --> 00:06:52,318 This is an image 80 00:06:52,419 --> 00:06:55,263 from the only time I ever met SE Branch, 81 00:06:55,551 --> 00:06:59,395 in the first year of my life, and the last year of his. 82 00:07:00,379 --> 00:07:03,039 My entire life people have told me we look alike, 83 00:07:04,090 --> 00:07:06,539 But I think that's just because we're both fat, 84 00:07:06,698 --> 00:07:07,898 bald 85 00:07:07,999 --> 00:07:09,249 and white. 86 00:07:10,700 --> 00:07:13,148 My mother and her sister Jill, who both grew up 87 00:07:13,249 --> 00:07:16,044 in Dothan, started doing a little more searching. 88 00:07:17,179 --> 00:07:19,560 They quietly asked relatives and friends. 89 00:07:20,119 --> 00:07:22,770 People have a way of not answering you down there. 90 00:07:23,419 --> 00:07:24,669 Nobody said anything. 91 00:07:27,350 --> 00:07:29,100 We checked the courthouse archives 92 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,319 But we're told that no documents existed for the case. 93 00:07:33,189 --> 00:07:35,390 No record of charges ever being filed at all. 94 00:07:37,058 --> 00:07:38,258 So, 95 00:07:38,359 --> 00:07:39,869 from the state of Alabama. 96 00:07:41,090 --> 00:07:44,550 We requested a copy of Bill Span's death certificate. 97 00:07:47,350 --> 00:07:49,169 My grandfather Arthur son in law of SE, 98 00:07:49,270 --> 00:07:51,309 was a photo-buff. 99 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:53,840 He remained so all his life 100 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,070 And so we have dozens of eight millimeter movies too 101 00:07:59,189 --> 00:08:01,600 SE Branch is a rare figure in the movies. 102 00:08:02,729 --> 00:08:04,849 In all those dozens of rolls of film, 103 00:08:04,950 --> 00:08:07,765 he appears in only 12 shots split between two 104 00:08:07,866 --> 00:08:11,744 roles one black and white, and one in color. 105 00:08:12,410 --> 00:08:14,979 The black and white role, is especially peculiar. 106 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,459 It was labeled October 1946. 107 00:08:18,989 --> 00:08:20,239 The month of the murder. 108 00:08:22,590 --> 00:08:24,069 So was it taken before? 109 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:26,590 Or was it taken after? 110 00:08:27,660 --> 00:08:29,710 Is it some sort of family celebration? 111 00:08:31,590 --> 00:08:34,280 Sc Branch has a strange energy in the first role, 112 00:08:34,989 --> 00:08:37,060 he wears a certain awkward menace. 113 00:08:38,020 --> 00:08:43,249 The camera is clearly making him uncomfortable, 114 00:08:43,350 --> 00:08:45,695 but by the time he's filmed in color in 1953 115 00:08:45,796 --> 00:08:48,624 you'd barely recognize him from the black and white. 116 00:08:49,479 --> 00:08:51,859 He walks with an unmistakable swagger. 117 00:08:52,509 --> 00:08:54,080 He's been emboldened somehow. 118 00:08:57,540 --> 00:09:00,407 By the time I saw any of these images for the first time 119 00:09:00,721 --> 00:09:03,180 I'd already read Bill Span's death certificate. 120 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:07,960 You can't look at these images the same way after you've read it. 121 00:09:10,909 --> 00:09:16,069 So let me show you the images again 122 00:09:16,170 --> 00:09:18,819 Standard Certificate of Death 123 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,170 State of Alabama. 124 00:09:22,190 --> 00:09:27,249 Place of Death: County, Houston 125 00:09:27,350 --> 00:09:31,900 City or Town, Dothan. 126 00:09:32,790 --> 00:09:35,060 Street Address, the moody hospital. 127 00:09:36,489 --> 00:09:38,300 Usual residence of deceased. 128 00:09:38,859 --> 00:09:40,910 City or town Dothan. 129 00:09:41,540 --> 00:09:42,790 Rural. 130 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:44,970 Street address. 131 00:09:45,489 --> 00:09:46,739 Route 5. 132 00:09:48,619 --> 00:09:49,869 Full name. 133 00:09:50,749 --> 00:09:51,999 Bill. 134 00:09:52,100 --> 00:09:53,249 Cal. 135 00:09:53,350 --> 00:09:54,600 Spann 136 00:09:56,680 --> 00:09:57,930 Sex: male. 137 00:09:59,970 --> 00:10:01,220 Color or race. 138 00:10:01,649 --> 00:10:02,899 Colored. 139 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,220 Single widowed married or divorced: Married 140 00:10:07,869 --> 00:10:14,049 Name of husband or wife: Lily Spann 141 00:10:15,810 --> 00:10:18,790 Age of husband or wife: 44 years. 142 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:21,680 Birth-date of deceased. 143 00:10:22,210 --> 00:10:23,460 April 20th. 144 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:24,850 1900. 145 00:10:26,479 --> 00:10:27,709 Age. 146 00:10:27,810 --> 00:10:29,139 46 years. 147 00:10:29,359 --> 00:10:30,609 Five months. 148 00:10:33,129 --> 00:10:34,379 Birth place. 149 00:10:34,529 --> 00:10:35,779 Barber County. 150 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:38,369 Usual occupation: 151 00:10:39,409 --> 00:10:43,249 additional information not available 152 00:10:43,350 --> 00:10:45,600 Burial cremation or removal: removal. 153 00:10:49,609 --> 00:10:52,499 Place burial or cremation. 154 00:10:53,269 --> 00:10:54,769 Lewisville, Alabama. 155 00:10:59,019 --> 00:11:00,530 Medical certification. 156 00:11:01,290 --> 00:11:02,540 Date of death. 157 00:11:02,670 --> 00:11:07,300 Month, 10 day, 13 year, 46. 158 00:11:12,509 --> 00:11:13,788 Immediate cause of death. 159 00:11:13,889 --> 00:11:15,558 Bullet wound. 160 00:11:15,659 --> 00:11:16,908 Abdomen. 161 00:11:17,009 --> 00:11:20,350 Bullet wound through neck penetrating larynx. 162 00:11:21,789 --> 00:11:22,989 Accident, 163 00:11:23,090 --> 00:11:24,709 Suicide or homicide, 164 00:11:24,810 --> 00:11:26,060 Specify: 165 00:11:26,500 --> 00:11:29,750 Homicide 166 00:11:30,540 --> 00:11:31,790 Two families. 167 00:11:32,540 --> 00:11:34,200 They both live in Alabama. 168 00:11:36,290 --> 00:11:37,540 One of them is white. 169 00:11:38,850 --> 00:11:40,100 One of them is black. 170 00:11:43,259 --> 00:11:46,320 One of them is the family of a murder. 171 00:11:48,879 --> 00:11:51,260 One of them is the family of the murdered. 172 00:11:54,359 --> 00:11:57,409 One of them is inscribed on a death certificate. 173 00:11:59,889 --> 00:12:06,220 And one of them is making home movies. 174 00:12:09,970 --> 00:12:13,520 So it was time to go back to Alabama for the first time in 20 years 175 00:12:46,210 --> 00:12:51,420 I drove through the pouring rain straight from the airport to Branch's grocery. 176 00:12:54,369 --> 00:12:56,149 The building is locked and closed. 177 00:12:57,100 --> 00:12:58,350 There's nobody there. 178 00:13:21,550 --> 00:13:24,615 When I go to transfer the images to my computer, 179 00:13:24,716 --> 00:13:29,432 the first two shots left on the camera are of my baby daughter Matilda Jane 180 00:13:30,460 --> 00:13:34,639 She's more or less the same age I was in the picture with granddaddy Branch. 181 00:13:49,749 --> 00:13:51,109 I visit my Aunt Jill. 182 00:13:52,359 --> 00:13:56,060 The walls of her home are covered with the public face of my family. 183 00:14:02,570 --> 00:14:03,899 But make no mistake. 184 00:14:05,029 --> 00:14:06,489 There are other faces too. 185 00:14:11,479 --> 00:14:13,580 The next day I'm back at Branch's grocery. 186 00:14:14,019 --> 00:14:15,409 It isn't a store anymore. 187 00:14:16,359 --> 00:14:18,963 The sign says it's a restaurant, but everyone in the 188 00:14:19,064 --> 00:14:22,424 neighborhood I talked to refers to it as a shod-house. 189 00:14:23,379 --> 00:14:26,600 That's what they call informal, unlicensed bars. 190 00:14:35,790 --> 00:14:38,011 When I'm about to leave the woman who lives in the 191 00:14:38,112 --> 00:14:40,804 house directly behind the store comes home from work 192 00:14:42,249 --> 00:14:44,960 She's a nurse and was working the night shift. 193 00:14:45,670 --> 00:14:49,489 Her name isn't that she's lived in the house her entire life. 194 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,528 She tells me she knows the owners. 195 00:14:54,629 --> 00:14:56,819 And she'll try to get me in there somehow 196 00:15:02,070 --> 00:15:04,219 While I waited to hear about the store. 197 00:15:04,450 --> 00:15:07,989 I asked my mother and her sister Jill would talk to me about SE. 198 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,499 We spent the afternoon trying to film but there was a terrible storm. 199 00:15:14,948 --> 00:15:16,148 Thunder. 200 00:15:16,249 --> 00:15:17,369 And lightning. 201 00:15:17,470 --> 00:15:18,720 And tornadoes. 202 00:15:20,170 --> 00:15:23,001 It was hard not to feel like we were conjuring something. 203 00:15:23,619 --> 00:15:27,520 Finally I gave up waiting for the storm and just filmed them anyway. 204 00:15:46,399 --> 00:15:47,759 I had the murder weapon. 205 00:15:50,409 --> 00:15:53,558 But until the article you didn't know he'd actually been charged with murder. 206 00:15:53,659 --> 00:15:54,788 Right. 207 00:15:54,889 --> 00:15:56,700 Because when I left Dothan 208 00:15:59,220 --> 00:16:01,640 Back in 1967 209 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,950 My grandfather, who was very fond of me 210 00:16:09,420 --> 00:16:14,239 Granddaddy Branch––was very fond of me––I was born on his birthday 211 00:16:15,100 --> 00:16:16,350 And I was special 212 00:16:19,239 --> 00:16:20,459 Revolver. 213 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,469 He maybe thought you were the only one who was going to leave the state anytime soon. 214 00:16:24,570 --> 00:16:27,470 And you could take it with you 215 00:16:29,369 --> 00:16:30,569 I wonder if I ever saw it, 216 00:16:30,670 --> 00:16:31,250 I don't remember it. 217 00:16:31,351 --> 00:16:33,600 Looked like a six-gun, 218 00:16:33,808 --> 00:16:35,008 to me. 219 00:16:35,109 --> 00:16:37,970 I mean my recollection is that it had a fairly long barrel 220 00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:40,739 Not like a revolver? 221 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:42,499 Not like not like the. 222 00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:45,290 The 38 that Granddaddy hung. 223 00:16:47,229 --> 00:16:48,479 On the. 224 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:52,039 Handle of the bedside table in between. 225 00:16:52,930 --> 00:16:55,168 The bed he slept in the great big head. 226 00:16:55,269 --> 00:16:58,489 Little dead that our grandmother slept in. 227 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:06,290 The holster with the 38 and he would take it off and hang in there. 228 00:17:07,389 --> 00:17:08,639 And, as a little girl. 229 00:17:09,100 --> 00:17:12,799 We were admonished to leave it alone, but it was there. 230 00:17:13,869 --> 00:17:17,569 Why did he feel that he had to have a revolver next to him? 231 00:17:17,980 --> 00:17:23,989 Maybe because he murdered somebody. 232 00:17:24,090 --> 00:17:26,689 For protection? I mean there's no telling. 233 00:17:27,820 --> 00:17:29,720 It's not like he was a nice person. 234 00:17:30,219 --> 00:17:32,139 He was my grandfather and he loved me. 235 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,510 I guess I loved him at one point. 236 00:17:39,110 --> 00:17:41,959 But I'm not a fool. I know what kind of person he was. 237 00:17:42,060 --> 00:17:45,999 When I found out that he had murdered somebody 238 00:17:47,219 --> 00:17:48,919 It was shocking. 239 00:17:49,020 --> 00:17:52,720 But at the same time it wasn't really surprising. Was it to you? 240 00:17:52,939 --> 00:17:54,139 No 241 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:55,490 I feel the same way. 242 00:17:55,591 --> 00:17:56,719 I think just seeing it 243 00:17:56,820 --> 00:17:59,469 written in an article. 244 00:18:01,850 --> 00:18:03,100 Made it. 245 00:18:05,330 --> 00:18:08,118 It gave it a different life or something. 246 00:18:08,219 --> 00:18:09,469 But. 247 00:18:10,010 --> 00:18:11,260 Oh no. 248 00:18:12,030 --> 00:18:15,610 I'm sure there are other things that could have been in other articles. 249 00:18:20,369 --> 00:18:22,919 That gun was the first firearm I ever fired. 250 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:24,770 It was easy to shoot. 251 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,359 The barrel was long and it didn't have much kick. 252 00:18:29,790 --> 00:18:31,909 I shot at paper targets on trees with my dad in 253 00:18:32,010 --> 00:18:34,413 the sandpit across the street from our house. 254 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,770 It was time to pay a visit to the man himself. 255 00:18:50,429 --> 00:18:53,950 There isn't much to say about SE Branch's final resting place. 256 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:56,680 His grave is well kept. 257 00:18:59,899 --> 00:19:02,039 It's a few feet from a busy intersection. 258 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,906 I need to tell you about his wife my great grandmother 259 00:19:08,124 --> 00:19:12,633 who everyone called Mama Jeannie 260 00:19:13,350 --> 00:19:15,283 every time you ask anyone about SE they'll 261 00:19:15,384 --> 00:19:17,548 tell you about Mama Jeannie instead. 262 00:19:17,649 --> 00:19:18,899 I understand why. 263 00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:23,330 When I was eight years old she came to stay with us in Colorado 264 00:19:24,669 --> 00:19:27,619 It was the first time in her life she'd been on an airplane. 265 00:19:28,909 --> 00:19:31,779 There was also the first time in her life she'd seen snow. 266 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,379 We built snow castles outside together for hours. 267 00:19:39,090 --> 00:19:40,770 The snow was filled with dogshit. 268 00:19:41,609 --> 00:19:43,319 She couldn't have cared less. 269 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,820 She insisted on building those snow castles with me. 270 00:19:50,609 --> 00:19:52,270 It's my fondest memory of her. 271 00:19:53,490 --> 00:19:56,830 These images are the only ones that describe the woman that I knew. 272 00:19:57,580 --> 00:20:01,580 She's buried next to SE in a cemetery by the busy road. 273 00:20:04,020 --> 00:20:06,179 Annette said shed talk to me on camera. 274 00:20:07,179 --> 00:20:10,129 So I asked her what she remembered about Branch's grocery. 275 00:20:10,729 --> 00:20:11,929 This is my favorite, 276 00:20:12,030 --> 00:20:17,249 because it was like going home. I was right here with my grandparents 277 00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:19,704 But the other men who were in the neighborhood, 278 00:20:19,805 --> 00:20:22,393 when they got off from work came here. 279 00:20:22,719 --> 00:20:26,740 With Mr. Dean you know stuff on the front porch or in the store 280 00:20:27,109 --> 00:20:29,970 Mr. Roberts was there on the corner. 281 00:20:31,390 --> 00:20:34,600 Benny Ingram, in a blue house. And Mr. Mickize 1-2-3-4 houses up. 282 00:20:40,679 --> 00:20:44,882 They don't just you know just you know be here after work, 283 00:20:45,117 --> 00:20:47,959 sitting on the stoop, on the steps, 284 00:20:48,431 --> 00:20:51,663 smoking their pipes and cigars and everything. 285 00:20:51,899 --> 00:20:55,251 And the kids would be coming in and out of the store 286 00:20:55,352 --> 00:20:57,507 with cookies and candies. 287 00:20:58,069 --> 00:21:00,319 I'd be right there with them. 288 00:21:01,750 --> 00:21:04,500 Mr. Branch would say, alright now don't give me trouble 289 00:21:04,619 --> 00:21:06,909 You give me trouble I'm gonna getcha. 290 00:21:07,010 --> 00:21:08,970 So it was just you know just your life. 291 00:21:09,071 --> 00:21:10,916 It was definitely the best point of the day. 292 00:21:11,017 --> 00:21:15,284 You get off that bus, and "let's see how much money we got." 293 00:21:16,022 --> 00:21:21,100 And you count your money. And hit those steps, get in the store. 294 00:21:21,671 --> 00:21:24,779 After the camera was off, she told me something important. 295 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,249 She told me she'd asked around about the shooting at the store, 296 00:21:28,350 --> 00:21:32,249 and that the elderly woman across the street knew both witnesses, 297 00:21:32,350 --> 00:21:34,600 and knew what had happened. 298 00:21:35,810 --> 00:21:38,610 She also said she'd never ever speak to me about it. 299 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,449 And she stuck to her word. 300 00:21:42,429 --> 00:21:45,202 One person who would speak to me was Ed Vaughn 301 00:21:46,405 --> 00:21:49,074 Ed was a contemporary of Martin Luther King's 302 00:21:49,609 --> 00:21:52,499 And has been a civil rights activist his entire life. 303 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,601 He told me he didn't remember much about the case but he was certain 304 00:21:56,702 --> 00:22:00,183 a boycott of Branch's grocery was organized after the killing. 305 00:22:02,219 --> 00:22:05,850 I filmed our conversation in his museum of African-American history. 306 00:22:07,179 --> 00:22:10,429 His words are full of clues, if not answers. 307 00:22:10,629 --> 00:22:12,928 I used to go to Branch's all the time when I went to school 308 00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:15,723 on that side of town, but I didn't live on that side. 309 00:22:16,270 --> 00:22:21,899 However I remembered the store quite well and I do remember the boycott of the store. 310 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,999 I remember that but once again you know I had every time school was out. 311 00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:34,007 I'd come home and most times I would walk by that store on my way home, cause 312 00:22:34,108 --> 00:22:38,669 I had to walk up from over there, you know, no school buses for black kids 313 00:22:38,770 --> 00:22:40,490 So we had to walk. 314 00:22:40,899 --> 00:22:44,630 And so I walked by the store on a fairly regular basis 315 00:22:47,380 --> 00:22:52,279 As I said, the first actual civil rights movement in the modern south was led by myself. 316 00:22:52,380 --> 00:22:56,279 And that was the 1950 strike at Carver High School 317 00:22:56,380 --> 00:23:00,279 Wherein, we had two health officials from Houston County 318 00:23:00,380 --> 00:23:08,630 And they said while they were speaking to 8 or nine hundred of us. 319 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:15,325 They said that the girls at Carver High School 320 00:23:15,426 --> 00:23:20,465 had given venereal diseases to the soldiers at Fort Rucker. 321 00:23:24,250 --> 00:23:27,058 And so we said, why are they saying this? 322 00:23:27,159 --> 00:23:29,639 And so we were kind of rumbling and talking back. 323 00:23:29,740 --> 00:23:33,047 And so my homeroom teacher Mr. Dickerson went up and asked 324 00:23:33,148 --> 00:23:37,688 them not to come and embarrass our girls like that, 325 00:23:37,789 --> 00:23:41,365 and they rebuffed him and told him to get away and then he grabbed both 326 00:23:41,466 --> 00:23:46,568 of them up because he was a big guy about six five, 2/300 pound man. 327 00:23:46,669 --> 00:23:49,739 He picked them both up and took him out to Lake Street and threw him in the ditch 328 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,419 And we were all right behind him. 329 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,826 Yelling: Get 'im! Kill 'im! 330 00:23:53,927 --> 00:23:58,557 And, the next day and even before the next day, 331 00:23:58,658 --> 00:24:01,349 we knew that they were going to make a move against 332 00:24:01,450 --> 00:24:03,749 Mr. Dickerson that they were going to fire him. 333 00:24:03,850 --> 00:24:08,601 That same day that the health officials that were there 334 00:24:08,702 --> 00:24:13,794 we had a meeting in our classroom and we decided that if 335 00:24:13,895 --> 00:24:16,406 they bother Mr. Dickerson we were going on strike. 336 00:24:16,507 --> 00:24:20,489 This is 1950, five years before the Montgomery bus boycott 337 00:24:20,730 --> 00:24:22,798 And so we said we're going on strike. 338 00:24:22,899 --> 00:24:25,109 So the next day the superintendent did exactly what 339 00:24:25,210 --> 00:24:27,819 we thought he would do his name is Bruce Flury, 340 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,069 superintendent of schools. And there was no such thing 341 00:24:30,170 --> 00:24:33,749 as a school board then, the super ran everything. 342 00:24:33,850 --> 00:24:35,470 And so he was a real racist. 343 00:24:35,679 --> 00:24:41,015 And so the next day he fired Mr. Dickerson He fired three other teachers who had 344 00:24:41,116 --> 00:24:46,048 nothing to do with the strike missed who had nothing to do with the incident 345 00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:47,788 Mr. Hill out of Montgomery. 346 00:24:47,889 --> 00:24:50,209 Mr. and Mrs. Cator out of North Alabama. 347 00:24:50,859 --> 00:24:53,531 He fired all four of them and only one had something 348 00:24:53,632 --> 00:24:56,249 to do with it, and that was Mr. Dickerson. 349 00:24:56,350 --> 00:25:01,185 And so we said that we thought that the major reason was he didn't like out-of- 350 00:25:01,286 --> 00:25:04,499 town teachers, because he felt he could get away with local teachers better. 351 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,980 So anyway we went on strike after the teachers were 352 00:25:08,081 --> 00:25:10,963 fired and we shut the school down for three weeks. 353 00:25:11,439 --> 00:25:12,689 Did he get reinstated? 354 00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:15,249 None of them got reinstated 355 00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:16,499 I got expelled from school. 356 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:17,930 I was only one expelled. 357 00:25:18,429 --> 00:25:20,568 No one else was expelled because I'm the one 358 00:25:20,669 --> 00:25:23,498 who led the strike and set up a strategy 359 00:25:23,599 --> 00:25:27,983 to make the strike strike 100 percent effective it was 100 percent effective 360 00:25:28,084 --> 00:25:29,889 and the reason for that is I went down to the 361 00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:33,211 bottom, which was the hood, where all the 362 00:25:33,312 --> 00:25:38,364 thugs hung out and these were my buddies either I shot pool with them every night. 363 00:25:38,469 --> 00:25:40,665 So I drank wine with them and everything else all 364 00:25:40,766 --> 00:25:43,328 while I was in high school and in elementary school. 365 00:25:43,429 --> 00:25:47,172 So we all drank wine together I knew them! and so they 366 00:25:47,273 --> 00:25:51,703 they liked me because I had a few leadership skills. 367 00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:57,470 And so when the strike came, I went to them and said "look you got to help me." 368 00:25:57,669 --> 00:26:01,508 I don't want nobody coming from the north side of town to Carver High School, which 369 00:26:01,609 --> 00:26:05,943 was on the east side and I don't want nobody from the east side coming to Carver 370 00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:09,915 So we had blockades at the east at the East Gate entrance and we had 371 00:26:10,016 --> 00:26:13,202 blockades at the North Gate entrance 372 00:26:13,562 --> 00:26:16,944 and nobody came to school. 373 00:26:18,689 --> 00:26:24,117 When I came home and told my parents that they expelled me and because there had 374 00:26:24,218 --> 00:26:29,334 been some rumors on their job by that time my mother's employers had changed, 375 00:26:29,435 --> 00:26:32,571 and they were kind of hinting to her that she ought to 376 00:26:32,672 --> 00:26:35,568 tell her son to end the strike? 377 00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:38,308 And my father also who was a cleaner and a presser. 378 00:26:38,409 --> 00:26:40,659 They were getting some pressure at their jobs. 379 00:26:41,850 --> 00:26:45,520 And every night we would have dinner together at home. 380 00:26:46,050 --> 00:26:48,076 And my mother would make gourmet meals she was a 381 00:26:48,177 --> 00:26:49,849 great cook and at the time I wanted to I wanted 382 00:26:49,950 --> 00:26:55,021 to buy a hamburger from the local five and dime 383 00:26:55,122 --> 00:26:58,401 store and I couldn't do that because I was black. 384 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,010 But every night I would have a gourmet meal. 385 00:27:01,149 --> 00:27:03,583 But anyway when integration came, I bought a hamburger 386 00:27:03,684 --> 00:27:06,588 I said oh my god what what did I get this nasty thing for? 387 00:27:06,689 --> 00:27:09,220 My mother cooked gourmet meals every day. 388 00:27:10,330 --> 00:27:12,970 Anyway we sat down at the dinner table. 389 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:20,230 I think we had stuffed pork chop that night my mom was a great cook 390 00:27:20,580 --> 00:27:27,609 This was our home right here that she bought during the Depression. 391 00:27:27,891 --> 00:27:31,143 And this was her home bought through the homeowners loan corporation 392 00:27:31,244 --> 00:27:35,606 which was a FDR program to get us out of the Depression. 393 00:27:35,969 --> 00:27:39,197 So anyway my mom and my dad told me that 394 00:27:39,298 --> 00:27:41,558 evening cause my mom was leader in the house. 395 00:27:41,659 --> 00:27:44,831 You know daddy whatever she said he'd follow. And so she said 396 00:27:44,932 --> 00:27:49,084 she told me she say you stay out as long as you want to. 397 00:27:49,679 --> 00:27:52,000 So you keep it going as long as you want to. 398 00:27:52,109 --> 00:27:54,159 We are with you whatever you decide. 399 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,730 It's your decision. 400 00:27:55,831 --> 00:27:57,018 I said OK. 401 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,369 So we're with you. 402 00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:02,710 And so I had decided and the group that I had working with was. 403 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,058 That we had gone about as far as we could go. 404 00:28:05,159 --> 00:28:09,789 We had picketed through midtown with picket signs in all white area. 405 00:28:10,350 --> 00:28:14,045 We had taken it all up around us 231 highway 406 00:28:14,146 --> 00:28:17,614 where people would go through going to Florida. 407 00:28:17,780 --> 00:28:20,768 There was no interstate or no circle at that time. 408 00:28:20,869 --> 00:28:22,118 There's still no interstate here. 409 00:28:22,219 --> 00:28:23,239 There was no circle. 410 00:28:23,340 --> 00:28:25,520 So we had gone by as far as we could go. 411 00:28:30,209 --> 00:28:33,609 And so we had decided that we had gone about as far as we could. 412 00:28:33,929 --> 00:28:37,149 And we ended the strike. 413 00:28:37,629 --> 00:28:40,990 But the deal was that I would get back in school. 414 00:28:41,129 --> 00:28:42,379 That was the deal. 415 00:28:46,014 --> 00:28:51,350 A cop tried to rape my mother on her way to work, because my mother went to work every morning 416 00:28:51,451 --> 00:28:55,538 around 3:00 a.m. and he confronted her in a little 417 00:28:55,639 --> 00:28:57,368 section called Five Points on her way to work. 418 00:28:57,469 --> 00:28:59,558 It would be dark when my mother went to work. 419 00:28:59,659 --> 00:29:02,321 I would look out the window and see her leave walking, 420 00:29:02,422 --> 00:29:05,544 and she did it every day for about 30, 35 years. 421 00:29:05,770 --> 00:29:09,368 And and so he told her he told her to come upstairs. 422 00:29:09,469 --> 00:29:12,399 He wanted to have sex with him and she said I'm not going to do that. 423 00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:15,450 And he said well you see this gun and he said I'll show you. 424 00:29:16,010 --> 00:29:17,689 He said you'd better come home with me 425 00:29:17,790 --> 00:29:19,503 And she told him you had better use the damn gun 426 00:29:19,604 --> 00:29:21,298 because I'm not going nowhere with you 427 00:29:21,399 --> 00:29:27,848 She just walked out the work and when she got to work she told her boss Mr. Meyer. 428 00:29:27,949 --> 00:29:36,199 And they called the police chief. They confronted this policeman. 429 00:29:36,942 --> 00:29:41,709 And I guess they criticized him or whatever they did to him. 430 00:29:41,810 --> 00:29:43,838 But anyway he didn't bother my mother anymore. 431 00:29:43,939 --> 00:29:46,808 They didn't take him off the job but he didn't bother my mom anymore. 432 00:29:46,909 --> 00:29:48,969 And when he'd see her. he'd go the other way. 433 00:29:49,070 --> 00:29:52,279 So but I came from that kind of family you know because 434 00:29:52,380 --> 00:29:56,018 my grandfather used to bring people out of Abbeyville. 435 00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:57,169 I was born in Abbeyville. 436 00:29:57,270 --> 00:30:00,607 And my grandfather used to bring out 437 00:30:00,708 --> 00:30:04,389 blacks who were destined to be lynched 438 00:30:04,490 --> 00:30:06,850 And he would get them to Dothan 439 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,859 That was a safe house in Dothan run by a man named Mr. Smart. 440 00:30:12,709 --> 00:30:15,840 And the train would leave Dothan every night to 58 going north. 441 00:30:15,949 --> 00:30:17,739 And a lot of people left on the 58. 442 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,584 My grandfather would get these folks out of Henry 443 00:30:20,685 --> 00:30:23,679 County who were in danger of being lynched 444 00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:24,879 He was a mulatto. 445 00:30:24,980 --> 00:30:26,850 He was very fair skinned black man. 446 00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:29,311 His father was a white man, and he didn't he 447 00:30:29,412 --> 00:30:31,479 didn't like his father at all, by the way 448 00:30:31,580 --> 00:30:33,819 And he tried to kill his father and he 449 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,239 couldn't kill him so he killed his prize goat. 450 00:30:36,340 --> 00:30:40,709 My grandfather used to groom this goat and take him to shows. 451 00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:47,649 And his name was Frank White and granddad Frank killed a goat and ran away 452 00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:50,379 And he was militant as all hell 453 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:58,730 Not only did he get folks out of Abbeyville the people who were about to be lynched? 454 00:30:59,830 --> 00:31:02,090 But he also got his own family out. 455 00:31:03,010 --> 00:31:05,999 Cause my uncles were rough they were tough. 456 00:31:06,169 --> 00:31:10,889 They were all very fair-skinned black guys and they would have problems. 457 00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:12,885 My grandfather didn't have no problem because 458 00:31:12,986 --> 00:31:14,969 he knew how to maneuver through the system. 459 00:31:15,070 --> 00:31:17,218 But they, being young, didn't know. 460 00:31:18,227 --> 00:31:20,290 One guy kicked my grandfather 461 00:31:20,391 --> 00:31:23,624 in the butt, no I'm sorry my uncle 462 00:31:24,023 --> 00:31:27,649 Uncle J.B. in Abbeyville. 463 00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:28,637 And uncle JB 464 00:31:28,738 --> 00:31:32,096 When the guy turned around––Uncle JB had a coca cola bottle. Hit him in the back 465 00:31:32,197 --> 00:31:36,174 of the head. And that was when coca-cola bottles were like a little piece of steel. 466 00:31:37,250 --> 00:31:39,696 And so the man died eight days later, but that same night 467 00:31:39,797 --> 00:31:43,306 my grandfather got him out of Abbeyville and told him that 468 00:31:43,407 --> 00:31:46,698 if anybody tried to stop him to shoot. Don't let nobody ask 469 00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:50,749 no question don't care who it is, just start shooting. 470 00:31:50,850 --> 00:31:52,980 So he would meet him at a place called Skipper Creek and 471 00:31:53,081 --> 00:31:55,723 bring him to Dothan and take him to the safe house. 472 00:31:55,879 --> 00:32:00,540 And they would get to 58 out at that night around 11pm 473 00:32:01,010 --> 00:32:05,189 And so my grandfather did that for many people in Abbeyville and Henry County. 474 00:32:05,939 --> 00:32:07,769 So I came from that kind of family. 475 00:32:07,870 --> 00:32:09,008 And. 476 00:32:09,109 --> 00:32:11,028 All my uncles were pretty militant. 477 00:32:11,129 --> 00:32:13,088 And my mother was. 478 00:32:13,189 --> 00:32:15,050 And so I didn't have much choice. 479 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:18,850 It was in the genes. 480 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,630 No one gave me a clearer image of the world in which the murder 481 00:32:24,731 --> 00:32:31,589 took place and contained within his words was a valuable lead: 482 00:32:32,709 --> 00:32:34,039 The town of Abbeyville. 483 00:32:40,209 --> 00:32:44,120 I went to look at the old Branch house, where they lived when the murder happened. 484 00:32:44,899 --> 00:32:46,149 It's gone now. 485 00:32:46,909 --> 00:32:49,650 There's a used car lot where the house used to be. 486 00:33:10,060 --> 00:33:11,310 Everywhere I look, 487 00:33:12,260 --> 00:33:18,350 there's nearly nothing left of him. I'd been in Dothan for a few weeks. 488 00:33:18,550 --> 00:33:23,379 When Annette called me again she told me if I came down that afternoon 489 00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:25,619 They'd be cleaning the store. 490 00:33:25,740 --> 00:33:27,429 And I could finally film inside. 491 00:33:32,379 --> 00:33:35,146 Have you ever been in a place that just feels 492 00:33:35,247 --> 00:33:38,023 like something terrible happened there? 493 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,609 I know it doesn't make logical sense. 494 00:33:43,070 --> 00:33:44,320 But you feel it. 495 00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:46,000 In Branch's grocery 496 00:33:51,340 --> 00:33:53,540 Most of the store has been transformed. 497 00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:55,850 But the old counter is still there. 498 00:33:57,590 --> 00:34:00,810 My mom says SE always kept four things under that counter. 499 00:34:02,260 --> 00:34:07,850 Two sets of brass knuckles, a bullwhip and a loaded revolver. 500 00:34:35,139 --> 00:34:37,869 Off camera Ed Vaughn told me something else. 501 00:34:38,940 --> 00:34:42,700 He told me that two other people had been murdered in Branch's grocery too. 502 00:34:43,110 --> 00:34:45,518 The couple that bought the store from Mamma Jeanie 503 00:34:45,619 --> 00:34:48,463 and her brother had a badly abusive marriage. 504 00:34:49,810 --> 00:34:51,719 When the woman had finally had enough 505 00:34:52,250 --> 00:34:53,549 She killed her husband. 506 00:34:55,659 --> 00:34:57,020 She wasn't charged. 507 00:34:57,130 --> 00:34:59,765 So a few weeks later his family came back and 508 00:34:59,866 --> 00:35:03,094 killed her and retribution in the store too. 509 00:35:06,820 --> 00:35:09,600 Three killings in one small store 510 00:35:11,449 --> 00:35:14,909 Just try and tell me that store isn't haunted. 511 00:35:20,860 --> 00:35:26,050 Bill Spann died at the Moody hospital, the same place my mother was born. 512 00:35:33,929 --> 00:35:35,560 A guy was working on the roof. 513 00:35:36,179 --> 00:35:37,939 He came down and talked to me. 514 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,719 He wouldn't let me film inside but he showed me around. 515 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,040 While he told me over and over again that the hospital was haunted. 516 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,790 His girlfriend wouldn't even go there anymore. 517 00:35:54,810 --> 00:35:57,369 That's also why he wouldn't let me film inside. 518 00:35:57,659 --> 00:36:00,209 Because he and his brother were trying to sell it. 519 00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:05,987 The stain on the front door was from someone who'd just blown his 520 00:36:06,088 --> 00:36:09,604 brains out standing there in front of the old abandoned hospital. 521 00:36:15,469 --> 00:36:18,909 Ed Vaughn had something to say about the Moody hospital too. 522 00:36:22,460 --> 00:36:24,540 That hospital was truly amazing. 523 00:36:25,069 --> 00:36:26,319 And the. 524 00:36:27,290 --> 00:36:28,629 Doctor there 525 00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:30,119 Was an alcoholic 526 00:36:33,067 --> 00:36:37,340 I was in a one operation where the man was cut with a chainsaw 527 00:36:37,831 --> 00:36:43,099 they cut his arm off and gave it to me and I threw it out 528 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:48,549 and the doctor was so so high he couldn't really do the operation. 529 00:36:48,650 --> 00:36:55,709 So a black guy did the operation on this white man and the black guy, Joe. 530 00:36:56,319 --> 00:36:58,348 I think Joe went until about the third grade. 531 00:36:58,449 --> 00:36:59,948 But he was good at what he did. 532 00:37:00,049 --> 00:37:02,876 Which showed me that in the military, when I went 533 00:37:02,977 --> 00:37:05,854 to the military, and they trained medics in six 534 00:37:05,955 --> 00:37:08,606 months when I was in the army. And then someone 535 00:37:08,707 --> 00:37:10,629 says "you know they don't train these guys enough." 536 00:37:10,730 --> 00:37:13,679 I said well, I knew a guy who never went to any school. 537 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,969 and he operated on 538 00:37:22,449 --> 00:37:24,520 I was sitting right there watching him, 539 00:37:24,839 --> 00:37:26,089 and... 540 00:37:26,290 --> 00:37:27,768 He was doing all kinds of stuff. 541 00:37:27,869 --> 00:37:30,198 He was calling the shots for the doctor. 542 00:37:30,299 --> 00:37:36,080 I threw it in the incinerator. I didn't know I was supposed to save it. 543 00:37:36,181 --> 00:37:39,399 They wanted it to go to the state lab, but didn't nobody tell me that. 544 00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:44,065 And in the incinerators where they used to put the stillborn 545 00:37:44,166 --> 00:37:47,674 babies, back then they just dumped them in the incinerator. 546 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,850 So I just took the dang arm out and dropped it in the incinerator 547 00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:55,389 And I thought I was a doctor 'cause I wore white 548 00:37:55,490 --> 00:37:59,014 bucks, you know? white buck shoes. They were popular. 549 00:37:59,190 --> 00:38:01,848 I had on white pants and I had my white jacket on. 550 00:38:01,949 --> 00:38:03,850 And people would think I was a doctor. 551 00:38:05,250 --> 00:38:10,339 Oh you're a doctor? And they called me doctor. No I'm the cleanup guy. 552 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,200 But if I had stayed there long enough I probably could 553 00:38:13,301 --> 00:38:16,993 have been a surgeon myself, just working there. 554 00:38:18,650 --> 00:38:20,589 How was the care segregated? 555 00:38:20,690 --> 00:38:22,778 Well the blacks were in the basement and it 556 00:38:22,879 --> 00:38:25,604 was very damp down there and it was terrible. 557 00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:27,449 And so. 558 00:38:29,087 --> 00:38:34,660 So many times we would go down there to the rest and 559 00:38:34,761 --> 00:38:37,720 we'd go down and we'd have breaks down in the basement. 560 00:38:37,821 --> 00:38:39,434 But there would never be black people down there because 561 00:38:39,535 --> 00:38:41,968 that was the worst hospital in Dothan for blacks. 562 00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:45,402 And so that's where Bill Spann ended up after being shot at 563 00:38:45,503 --> 00:38:49,495 Branches grocery, at the worst hospital for black people 564 00:38:49,596 --> 00:38:53,856 in Dothan, where the head surgeon was so drunk that he 565 00:38:53,957 --> 00:38:57,822 couldn't operate and orderlies tried to save you instead. 566 00:40:31,150 --> 00:40:39,400 And now it's time for me to tell you about the third sister–– the eldest, Jean. 567 00:40:45,139 --> 00:40:49,129 Jean is the only one of the three sisters alive at the time of the murder. 568 00:40:50,449 --> 00:40:52,960 So she's also the only sister in the old movies. 569 00:40:55,389 --> 00:40:56,638 This is Jean, 570 00:40:56,739 --> 00:41:02,600 Around the time she was introducing my mother to folk music and civil rights. 571 00:41:05,350 --> 00:41:06,600 And this is Jean now. 572 00:41:10,350 --> 00:41:11,600 And so is this. 573 00:41:14,350 --> 00:41:15,600 And so is this. 574 00:41:27,150 --> 00:41:29,908 Jean is a politically active white supremacist, 575 00:41:30,143 --> 00:41:32,629 in a group called The League of the South. 576 00:41:32,730 --> 00:41:34,644 Here's what the Southern Poverty Law Center 577 00:41:34,745 --> 00:41:37,824 has to say about the league. 578 00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:41,724 The godly nation envisioned by the league should 579 00:41:41,825 --> 00:41:45,028 be run by an Anglo-Celtic white elite, that would 580 00:41:45,129 --> 00:41:47,427 establish a Christian theocratic state and 581 00:41:47,528 --> 00:41:50,480 politically dominate blacks and other minorities. 582 00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:52,490 Originally founded by a group that included 583 00:41:52,591 --> 00:41:54,834 many Southern University Professors. 584 00:41:55,369 --> 00:41:59,490 The group lost its Ph.D.s as it became more explicitly racist. 585 00:42:00,319 --> 00:42:02,899 The league denounces the federal government and 586 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,993 Northern and coastal states as part of the empire. 587 00:42:06,429 --> 00:42:09,671 A materialist and anti-religious society. 588 00:42:10,125 --> 00:42:14,830 In recent years it has become increasingly rabid, writing about potential 589 00:42:14,931 --> 00:42:18,571 violence criticizing perceived Jewish power and warning 590 00:42:18,672 --> 00:42:22,562 blacks that they would be defeated in any race war. 591 00:42:23,369 --> 00:42:27,990 Here's the group's leader––a man Gene reveres––speaking in his own words. 592 00:42:37,389 --> 00:42:42,440 There is this misconception about what nationalism is. 593 00:42:42,610 --> 00:42:46,065 Most people when they hear the term nationalism, they think 594 00:42:46,166 --> 00:42:50,384 of a political entity they think about the American nation. 595 00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:54,649 They think about politics they think about borders. 596 00:42:55,080 --> 00:43:00,019 Well yeah there are borders, but the borders that distinguish what? 597 00:43:00,610 --> 00:43:05,485 Borders that distinguish not a political unit a polity, 598 00:43:05,994 --> 00:43:10,859 but borders that distinguish a people, a blood people. 599 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:18,009 The Bible talks of that nations and it means peoples, tribes, 600 00:43:18,110 --> 00:43:24,195 clans, groups of individuals that are connected by blood. 601 00:43:24,429 --> 00:43:31,230 So when we talk about the Southern nation we're talking about not political entities. 602 00:43:31,380 --> 00:43:34,696 We're talking first and foremost about our people. And who 603 00:43:34,797 --> 00:43:39,654 are our people our people are white Europeans southerners. 604 00:43:43,389 --> 00:43:46,586 Now we're mainly from the British Isles, but we're also from other 605 00:43:46,687 --> 00:43:50,893 parts of Northern and Western Europe and even parts of Central Europe. 606 00:43:51,279 --> 00:43:54,639 But we are a distinctive people. 607 00:43:55,509 --> 00:43:59,960 Based on blood and from that blood comes culture. 608 00:44:00,949 --> 00:44:05,591 And from that culture comes our political institutions and 609 00:44:05,692 --> 00:44:09,885 from the political institutions come our borders and our 610 00:44:09,986 --> 00:44:16,019 nations, our nation states, as we call them Germany, France, 611 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:22,722 England, Scotland, Ireland, Norway, Denmark Sweden. 612 00:44:23,069 --> 00:44:26,179 Dixie, they're all the same. 613 00:44:27,069 --> 00:44:35,319 We are a people we are a nation we are a blood with the land. 614 00:44:50,469 --> 00:44:53,090 I'm not going to devote much time to this group. 615 00:44:53,230 --> 00:44:55,789 I'm certainly not going to offer them a platform. 616 00:44:56,020 --> 00:44:57,760 Their views are well-represented. 617 00:44:58,589 --> 00:45:01,139 But I thought you should know you're dealing with. 618 00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:04,489 None of us has talked to Gene in years. 619 00:45:04,839 --> 00:45:06,409 Still I wanted to try. 620 00:45:07,089 --> 00:45:10,107 My mother told me she thought her sister might be at a Confederate memorial 621 00:45:10,208 --> 00:45:14,654 ceremony, in the middle part of the state, in a town called Verbena 622 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,270 I thought I might as well go and try to meet her there. 623 00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:09,350 Like the League of the South, 624 00:47:09,790 --> 00:47:11,719 they emphasize family a great deal. 625 00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:17,753 At one point, the man in charge, the man everyone wants to take pictures with 626 00:47:18,682 --> 00:47:22,468 gave a speech from atop his literal high horse. 627 00:47:22,569 --> 00:47:24,429 Those were our families he said. 628 00:47:25,073 --> 00:47:28,916 Defending their homes against invaders against great odds 629 00:47:29,418 --> 00:47:33,299 just like the Revolutionary War was fought against great odds. 630 00:47:33,730 --> 00:47:36,300 And we aren't even allowed to remember them. 631 00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:41,299 Speaking of memory, at the time of the Civil War. 632 00:47:42,130 --> 00:47:45,949 There were over five hundred thousand black slaves in Alabama. 633 00:47:46,989 --> 00:47:48,419 All of them carrying the names 634 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:53,299 of those same families who were defending their homes against invaders 635 00:47:54,009 --> 00:47:55,259 against great odds. 636 00:47:56,969 --> 00:48:00,129 The only black person at the entire event was a firefighter, 637 00:48:00,380 --> 00:48:03,340 selling hot dogs to raise money for his local department. 638 00:48:05,489 --> 00:48:08,530 You had the sense he didn't know he was getting himself into. 639 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:10,800 Do black lives matter? 640 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,969 At this confederate memorial 641 00:48:15,449 --> 00:48:16,699 They don't even exist. 642 00:48:18,020 --> 00:48:19,730 I looked everywhere for Jean. 643 00:48:20,299 --> 00:48:21,549 But I never saw her. 644 00:48:22,670 --> 00:48:25,047 I think somehow she'd been tipped off that I might be there. 645 00:48:25,148 --> 00:48:28,430 And so I drove straight to Selma 646 00:48:28,531 --> 00:48:32,772 Where black people and their history actually exist. 647 00:50:10,739 --> 00:50:12,770 I finally mailed a letter to Gene. 648 00:50:13,679 --> 00:50:15,770 I was honest about what I was doing. 649 00:50:16,210 --> 00:50:20,600 I asked her if she talked to me about SE Branch and what she knew about the murder. 650 00:52:00,389 --> 00:52:03,340 Ed Vaughn spoke about Abbeyville, where he was born. 651 00:52:04,139 --> 00:52:06,500 A small town 27 miles from Dothan. 652 00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:14,499 On September 3rd 1944. 653 00:52:15,330 --> 00:52:20,679 The Rockhill Holiness Church in Abbeyville Alabama rocked late into the night. 654 00:52:21,389 --> 00:52:26,199 It was nearly midnight when the doors of the wooden one story church swung open. 655 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:32,049 Releasing streams of worshipers, all African-American, into the moonlight. 656 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,839 After a night of singing and praying. 657 00:52:35,389 --> 00:52:39,507 Resee Taylor, Fanni Daniel, and Daniel's 18 year old 658 00:52:39,608 --> 00:52:42,734 son, West, stepped out of the country chapel and 659 00:52:42,835 --> 00:52:46,257 strolled toward home alongside the peanut plantations 660 00:52:46,656 --> 00:52:48,945 that bounded the Abbeyville headland highway. 661 00:52:50,186 --> 00:52:53,541 Taylor, A 24 year old mother and sharecropper noticed 662 00:52:53,642 --> 00:52:57,084 a green Chevrolet past them at least three times. 663 00:52:57,338 --> 00:52:58,538 Young white men. 664 00:52:58,639 --> 00:53:00,180 Gawking from its windows. 665 00:53:00,929 --> 00:53:02,129 Taylor and Daniel. 666 00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:05,154 A stout 61 year old woman, watched the car creep by one 667 00:53:05,255 --> 00:53:09,424 last time and roll to a stop a few feet ahead of them. 668 00:53:10,659 --> 00:53:15,619 Seven men, armed with knives and guns, got out of the car and walked toward the women. 669 00:53:17,279 --> 00:53:18,479 Herbert LaVette. 670 00:53:18,580 --> 00:53:23,690 The oldest of the crew at 24 and a private in the US Army, shouted "Stop". 671 00:53:25,449 --> 00:53:29,870 He cocked the gun at the back of her head and said "I'll kill you if you run" 672 00:53:30,637 --> 00:53:35,082 LaVette walked her to the car and shoved her into the back seat. 673 00:53:35,980 --> 00:53:40,190 Lavette was the first of six men to rape Taylor that night. 674 00:53:41,619 --> 00:53:44,863 When they finished, someone helped her get dressed tied a 675 00:53:44,964 --> 00:53:48,794 handkerchief over her eyes and shoved her back into the car. 676 00:53:50,839 --> 00:53:52,089 Back on the highway. 677 00:53:52,310 --> 00:53:54,969 The men stopped and ordered Taylor out of the car. 678 00:53:56,900 --> 00:53:59,890 "Don't move until we get away from here," one of them yelled. 679 00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:03,600 Taylor heard the car disappear into the night. 680 00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:05,610 She pulled off the blindfold. 681 00:54:06,139 --> 00:54:07,389 Got her bearings. 682 00:54:07,850 --> 00:54:09,360 And began the long walk home. 683 00:54:10,989 --> 00:54:12,239 A few days later 684 00:54:12,489 --> 00:54:16,730 A telephone rang at the NAACP branch office in Montgomery, Alabama. 685 00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:20,590 E.D. Nixon, the local president, promised to 686 00:54:20,691 --> 00:54:23,564 send his best investigator to Abbeyville. 687 00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,560 Her name was Rosa Parks. 688 00:54:28,869 --> 00:54:30,118 In later years. 689 00:54:30,219 --> 00:54:34,432 Historians would paint Parks as a sweet and reticent old woman, whose tired feet caused 690 00:54:34,533 --> 00:54:39,188 her to defy Jim Crow on Montgomery city buses. Her solitary and spontaneous act, 691 00:54:41,980 --> 00:54:45,619 the story goes, sparked the 1955 bus boycott. 692 00:54:45,860 --> 00:54:48,300 And gave birth to the Civil Rights Movement. 693 00:54:49,540 --> 00:54:51,799 But Rosa Parks was a militant race woman 694 00:54:52,210 --> 00:54:53,460 A sharp detective 695 00:54:53,980 --> 00:54:55,529 And an anti-rape activist 696 00:54:55,630 --> 00:54:58,759 Long before she became the patron saint of the bus boycott. 697 00:55:00,549 --> 00:55:02,606 After meeting with Resee Taylor, Rosa Parks 698 00:55:02,707 --> 00:55:05,264 helped form the Committee for Equal Justice. 699 00:55:06,489 --> 00:55:09,476 Eleven years later this group of homegrown leaders would 700 00:55:09,577 --> 00:55:13,453 become better known as the Montgomery Improvement Association. 701 00:55:15,460 --> 00:55:17,322 The 1955 Montgomery Bus Boycott, often heralded as the 702 00:55:17,423 --> 00:55:22,782 opening scene of the Civil Rights Movement, was in many ways 703 00:55:22,883 --> 00:55:26,563 the last act of a decades long struggle to protect black 704 00:55:26,664 --> 00:55:31,827 women, like Taylor, from sexualized violence and rape. 705 00:55:34,839 --> 00:55:39,400 I spent the afternoon filming the town, searching for Rosa Parks childhood home. 706 00:55:41,049 --> 00:55:42,710 The town was mostly deserted. 707 00:55:44,139 --> 00:55:48,230 For the better part of the afternoon, the only people encountered were white 708 00:55:48,819 --> 00:55:52,194 Nobody seemed to know anything about the Rosa Parks home, 709 00:55:52,803 --> 00:55:57,244 a state monument to the most famous person ever to come from the town. 710 00:55:57,460 --> 00:56:00,470 As the light began to disappear I ran into a 711 00:56:00,571 --> 00:56:03,983 young black man leaving the corner market. 712 00:56:04,350 --> 00:56:06,169 Perhaps unsurprisingly 713 00:56:06,270 --> 00:56:08,740 He immediately told me where to find the house. 714 00:56:12,969 --> 00:56:15,159 This is the home Rosa Parks returned to, in order 715 00:56:15,260 --> 00:56:18,163 to organize a defense committee for Resee Taylor. 716 00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,080 She was 31 years old at the time. 717 00:56:22,641 --> 00:56:26,252 It is difficult to imagine the courage it must have taken 718 00:56:26,353 --> 00:56:30,273 Rosa Parks to leave Montgomery and return to a small 719 00:56:30,374 --> 00:56:33,830 town in the middle of nowhere Alabama, where white men 720 00:56:33,931 --> 00:56:37,367 had absolute impunity to rape and murder black women. 721 00:56:37,909 --> 00:56:42,150 All in order to organize the defense of one of those abused women. 722 00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:49,830 She did this more than 10 years before she also led the Montgomery bus boycott. 723 00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:55,029 And it was also five years before Ed Vaughn led the strike at Carver High. 724 00:56:59,969 --> 00:57:05,139 The first modern civil rights movement was led by a woman just 27 miles from Dothan 725 00:57:07,139 --> 00:57:08,389 Dale Spann. 726 00:57:09,290 --> 00:57:12,940 And it was organized in response to racist sexualized violence. 727 00:57:17,790 --> 00:57:21,189 Just try and convince me that's all a coincidence. 728 00:57:24,226 --> 00:57:30,189 The death certificate says that Bill Spann was removed to Lewisville Alabama 729 00:57:30,290 --> 00:57:32,188 a town 51 miles north of Dothan, 730 00:57:33,556 --> 00:57:35,041 and it seems to have been were 731 00:57:35,142 --> 00:57:38,961 black people who died in abject poverty were taken back then 732 00:57:40,996 --> 00:57:42,743 Starting at the gas station, 733 00:57:42,869 --> 00:57:44,845 I began asking people where I might 734 00:57:44,946 --> 00:57:49,188 find the grave of an African-American man buried in the 1940s. 735 00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:51,780 Nobody seemed to know anything. 736 00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,112 The old man who ran the gas station pointed across the 737 00:57:56,213 --> 00:57:59,633 street to city hall without so much as making a sound. 738 00:58:04,650 --> 00:58:08,050 When I told the clerk at city hall that I was looking for a grave 739 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,629 she eagerly pulled out a thick ledger book. 740 00:58:11,730 --> 00:58:14,330 But she couldn't find the name and seemed puzzled. 741 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,509 She asked me if he was a relative of mine. 742 00:58:20,670 --> 00:58:21,920 I told her no. 743 00:58:22,529 --> 00:58:25,059 I explained that he was a black man from Dothan 744 00:58:25,350 --> 00:58:27,180 Who'd been buried in Lewisville. 745 00:58:36,460 --> 00:58:38,368 She returned the ledger to its place on the shelf before 746 00:58:38,469 --> 00:58:41,594 telling me they didn't have those kinds of records. 747 00:58:43,969 --> 00:58:45,480 On my way out of the building 748 00:58:45,949 --> 00:58:47,760 I was gestured into the library 749 00:58:48,139 --> 00:58:50,010 By a black woman in her late 20s. 750 00:58:51,049 --> 00:58:53,880 She wanted me all the way to the back of the library 751 00:58:54,339 --> 00:58:56,710 where no one could hear us speak 752 00:59:00,409 --> 00:59:02,759 I explained to her what I was trying to find. 753 00:59:04,850 --> 00:59:06,100 She took my number. 754 00:59:07,290 --> 00:59:09,040 And said she'd try to help me. 755 00:59:11,790 --> 00:59:16,210 In the meantime I drove to Cottonwood on the outskirts of Dothan. 756 00:59:18,199 --> 00:59:23,249 I went there because everyone told me it was the Klan town 757 00:59:23,350 --> 00:59:27,600 Because it was outside city limits and gave them greater freedom to operate 758 00:59:32,110 --> 00:59:38,310 The town wasn't very interesting to look at. For some reason in Cottonwood 759 00:59:39,389 --> 00:59:42,400 All I wanted to do was film trees. 760 01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,759 I was approached by two teenage boys. 761 01:00:37,830 --> 01:00:39,669 They asked me what I was doing. 762 01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:41,929 One of them said 763 01:00:42,449 --> 01:00:44,200 people don't do things like that 764 01:00:44,610 --> 01:00:45,860 In Cottonwood. 765 01:00:50,199 --> 01:00:53,760 They left and I quickly started putting my gear away. 766 01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,560 They returned a few minutes later. 767 01:00:59,670 --> 01:01:01,990 As I was about to get in my car and drive off. 768 01:01:03,639 --> 01:01:04,889 "Are you Travis?" 769 01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:06,830 One of them asked me directly. 770 01:01:08,790 --> 01:01:10,040 I was shocked. 771 01:01:10,380 --> 01:01:12,600 And answered reflexively, Yes. 772 01:01:15,060 --> 01:01:16,990 "Don't go anywhere" he said. 773 01:01:18,540 --> 01:01:21,639 My dad's coming and he wants to speak with you. 774 01:01:24,369 --> 01:01:27,319 I firmly got back in the car locked the door. 775 01:01:27,730 --> 01:01:29,810 Started the engine and drove off. 776 01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:37,049 I was on the outskirts of town when a sedan came barreling up behind me. 777 01:01:37,150 --> 01:01:38,400 Driven by two men. 778 01:01:40,730 --> 01:01:45,100 I took a strange and circuitous route but they followed me every step of the way. 779 01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,870 I didn't want them knowing where I was staying. 780 01:01:49,020 --> 01:01:54,250 So I pulled into a Ruby Tuesday restaurant, sat at the bar and ordered lunch. 781 01:01:56,339 --> 01:01:59,679 By the time I came back outside, the car was gone. 782 01:02:00,569 --> 01:02:02,500 I guess Jean had received my letter. 783 01:02:03,839 --> 01:02:05,089 My cell phone rang. 784 01:02:05,790 --> 01:02:07,179 It was a Lewisville number. 785 01:02:10,190 --> 01:02:12,330 It was the young woman from city hall. 786 01:02:12,799 --> 01:02:14,639 She asked me not to use her name. 787 01:02:16,139 --> 01:02:17,638 He's in Mount Zion she said. 788 01:02:17,739 --> 01:02:20,679 Behind the church, in an unmarked grave. 789 01:02:21,630 --> 01:02:22,880 And she hung up. 790 01:03:55,060 --> 01:03:58,547 Four years of research led me here outside the 791 01:03:58,648 --> 01:04:03,334 small town of Lewisville Alabama. Population 519. 792 01:04:08,850 --> 01:04:11,630 This is where I believe Bill Spann is buried. 793 01:04:13,179 --> 01:04:16,968 Everything I know about him, about his family, 794 01:04:17,172 --> 01:04:21,626 after all these years of research, after spending 795 01:04:21,727 --> 01:04:24,806 time in libraries, in archives searching public 796 01:04:24,907 --> 01:04:29,149 records even after hiring a private investigator. 797 01:04:29,250 --> 01:04:31,100 This is what I know: 798 01:04:33,730 --> 01:04:35,940 I know what's in the two newspaper articles. 799 01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,449 I know what's in his death certificate. 800 01:04:41,429 --> 01:04:45,539 I know he's buried in Lewisville 801 01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:50,100 and I know that black people buried in Lewisville were only buried in one place. 802 01:04:54,710 --> 01:05:00,360 I also know that the name Bill Spann isn't inscribed on any legible tombstone 803 01:05:00,619 --> 01:05:08,479 in the entire graveyard. And that poor blacks were buried in unmarked graves. 804 01:05:17,219 --> 01:05:19,869 My great-grandfather murdered that man. 805 01:05:20,190 --> 01:05:26,909 Bill Spann he shot him in cold blood and got away with it. 806 01:05:31,589 --> 01:05:37,119 I'm showing you images of the place Bill Spann is buried in an unmarked grave. 807 01:05:39,259 --> 01:05:43,080 I filmed the graveyard using an expensive camera. 808 01:05:46,089 --> 01:05:47,480 I was paid to do it. 809 01:05:54,159 --> 01:05:58,080 Two families they both live in Alabama. 810 01:06:00,139 --> 01:06:04,020 One of them is white and one of them is black. 811 01:06:07,369 --> 01:06:09,330 One of them is the family of a murder, 812 01:06:11,339 --> 01:06:13,600 and one of them is the family of the murdered. 813 01:06:19,850 --> 01:06:22,100 One of them is buried in an unmarked grave, 814 01:06:23,350 --> 01:06:25,100 and one of them is filming it. 815 01:06:36,639 --> 01:06:39,140 That's a pretty precise expression of racism. 816 01:06:47,890 --> 01:06:51,249 ♪ Singing♪ Oh Lord, time don't get no better yeah. 817 01:06:51,350 --> 01:06:58,600 I'm going down the road, I'm going away to leave you. 818 01:06:58,950 --> 01:07:03,249 Every time don't get no better here. 819 01:07:03,350 --> 01:07:07,020 Down the road I'm gone. 820 01:07:07,770 --> 01:07:14,600 Every time it get no better. Oh down the road I'm gone 821 01:07:35,540 --> 01:07:36,869 I'm back in Alabama. 822 01:07:38,210 --> 01:07:40,650 I needed to drive the road to Atallah 823 01:07:44,540 --> 01:07:45,790 I can feel it. 824 01:07:47,009 --> 01:07:48,339 I'm getting close. 825 01:07:51,159 --> 01:07:52,409 I can feel it. 826 01:07:54,670 --> 01:07:56,600 There's no close to getting. 827 01:08:01,690 --> 01:08:06,070 In 1963, William Moore was murdered somewhere along this road. 828 01:08:16,299 --> 01:08:18,739 ♪ Singing♪ Walking down an Alabama road. 829 01:08:19,819 --> 01:08:23,249 Remembering what the Bible told. 830 01:08:23,350 --> 01:08:25,600 Walking with a letter in his hand. 831 01:08:26,869 --> 01:08:29,560 Dreaming of another Southern land. 832 01:08:30,370 --> 01:08:33,600 Walking down an Alabama road. 833 01:08:34,870 --> 01:08:37,639 He went by the name of William Moore. 834 01:08:38,440 --> 01:08:42,120 Now what are you doing, William Moore? 835 01:08:42,669 --> 01:08:44,779 Why the letter in your hand? 836 01:08:45,870 --> 01:08:48,350 There's only one southern land 837 01:08:48,910 --> 01:08:51,509 And he went by the name of William Moore 838 01:08:53,219 --> 01:08:55,230 What is the glory of one man? 839 01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:05,940 What price the dream was and what price the glory of one man? 840 01:09:11,100 --> 01:09:14,770 Moore was a white activist from the Congress on Racial Equality. 841 01:09:16,100 --> 01:09:20,514 He was walking alone from Chattanooga Tennessee to Jackson Mississippi 842 01:09:20,632 --> 01:09:25,240 to deliver a letter to the governor of Mississippi denouncing segregation. 843 01:09:26,940 --> 01:09:28,240 On the day of his murder. 844 01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:31,509 Moore argued with a local man named Floyd Simpson. 845 01:09:32,900 --> 01:09:36,308 A passing motorist found Moore's body about a mile down the road, 846 01:09:36,409 --> 01:09:41,174 shot twice in the head at close range with a 22 caliber rifle. 847 01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,929 The guns ownership was traced back to Simpson. 848 01:09:46,469 --> 01:09:48,730 But no charges were ever filed against him. 849 01:09:50,299 --> 01:09:53,049 Moore died a week before his thirty-sixth birthday. 850 01:09:55,079 --> 01:09:57,610 That murder too is largely forgotten. 851 01:09:59,469 --> 01:10:02,600 The only reason I know about it is Phil Och's song. 852 01:10:05,020 --> 01:10:08,280 There's nothing to mark the exact spot on the road to a Talla. 853 01:10:09,249 --> 01:10:11,600 So you just have to guess where it happened. 854 01:10:15,150 --> 01:10:21,719 Despite all my research the public face of S.E. branch remains more or less intact. 855 01:10:23,190 --> 01:10:26,379 Over and over I'd circle in near to the truth. 856 01:10:27,450 --> 01:10:32,820 Over and over, the truth would disappear like the morning fog. 857 01:10:35,762 --> 01:10:39,262 I asked those who knew him to write me something at least. 858 01:10:39,904 --> 01:10:42,536 Those requests were ignored too. 859 01:10:43,506 --> 01:10:45,388 Save by his granddaughters. 860 01:10:46,842 --> 01:10:52,419 One by one each of the three sisters wrote me, beginning with my mother. 861 01:10:54,537 --> 01:10:56,882 The image they create together is 862 01:10:56,983 --> 01:11:00,067 even more troubling than what I knew before. 863 01:11:01,780 --> 01:11:05,209 When I concentrate I can see everything as it was 864 01:11:06,579 --> 01:11:08,670 Most of all I see his hands, 865 01:11:09,450 --> 01:11:13,249 With those hands my grandfather threatened to kill my grandmother, 866 01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:17,906 sending her running to our house across town in the middle of the night out 867 01:11:18,007 --> 01:11:20,665 of breath screaming "let me in Mary 868 01:11:20,766 --> 01:11:24,733 now your daddy's going to kill me." 869 01:11:25,299 --> 01:11:27,129 "Your daddy's going to kill me." 870 01:11:31,870 --> 01:11:34,427 Those are the hands that pushed me down onto Jeannie's bed and 871 01:11:34,528 --> 01:11:38,473 held my wrists hard while he pressed his body against mine. 872 01:11:39,620 --> 01:11:41,310 I don't remember how old I was. 873 01:11:42,219 --> 01:11:43,469 I didn't dwell on it. 874 01:11:46,539 --> 01:11:51,039 They are also the hands that held the gun used to shoot a black man to death. 875 01:11:54,329 --> 01:11:56,894 Those are the hands that drove the car, with me 876 01:11:56,995 --> 01:12:00,153 sitting next to him, to the Elks Club on bingo night. 877 01:12:01,289 --> 01:12:04,389 The hands holding my baby boy, you, 878 01:12:04,939 --> 01:12:06,139 on his lap. 879 01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:08,440 In the photos taken just before he died. 880 01:12:11,589 --> 01:12:13,630 He is smiling because it pleases him that his 881 01:12:13,731 --> 01:12:16,533 first great grandchild favors him so much. 882 01:12:22,950 --> 01:12:24,200 Finally 883 01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,080 After months and months of waiting 884 01:12:26,770 --> 01:12:30,040 The third sister finally join the conversation too 885 01:12:31,629 --> 01:12:34,100 "I wanted to get a letter off to you because I will be 886 01:12:34,201 --> 01:12:37,604 busy with my secession politics for the next few days." 887 01:12:38,799 --> 01:12:42,560 "I didn't want you to get the idea that I wasn't going to respond to you." 888 01:12:43,539 --> 01:12:48,409 "Also your family and I don't want you to interpret my response as cold". 889 01:12:50,230 --> 01:12:51,480 "You don't know me." 890 01:12:52,060 --> 01:12:54,559 "You can't know someone you haven't been around" 891 01:12:55,709 --> 01:12:57,500 "And I don't know you either." 892 01:13:00,929 --> 01:13:03,205 "It won't take long for me to tell you what I think about 893 01:13:03,306 --> 01:13:06,933 your project to investigate the past of Edwin Branch". 894 01:13:07,980 --> 01:13:09,970 "So let's get this out of the way." 895 01:13:12,249 --> 01:13:16,142 "I remember hearing but don't remember from who whether Art or Mama 896 01:13:16,243 --> 01:13:20,523 Jeannie that a black female had run into the store asking for help." 897 01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:24,380 "Because she was chased by a black man with a butcher knife" 898 01:13:26,100 --> 01:13:28,929 "He chased her into the store and refused to stop." 899 01:13:29,639 --> 01:13:32,540 "And my grandfather shot him to protect her." 900 01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:40,217 "I doubt there will be any witnesses and 901 01:13:40,318 --> 01:13:43,134 probably all legal info has long been purged." 902 01:13:44,150 --> 01:13:46,290 "I can't stop you from 'investigating'." 903 01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:50,101 "I can only tell you that I would prefer you dropped it." 904 01:13:50,959 --> 01:13:52,530 "My mother would be horrified." 905 01:13:52,910 --> 01:13:54,219 "And so would my father." 906 01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:56,919 "My mother loved her parents." 907 01:13:57,539 --> 01:13:59,169 "Flawed as they both were." 908 01:14:00,719 --> 01:14:04,089 "I have different memories of my grandfather than my sisters do" 909 01:14:04,969 --> 01:14:10,110 "All of mine with the exception being the horrifying call on Christmas Eve." 910 01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,009 "I'm sure you've heard about it." 911 01:14:12,110 --> 01:14:13,360 "We're positive." 912 01:14:15,089 --> 01:14:19,179 "I have good memories of being at the store and several fishing trips with them" 913 01:14:21,530 --> 01:14:23,489 "Both of my grandfathers were flawed." 914 01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,077 "I can't stop you from doing what you decide to do but I'm 915 01:14:28,178 --> 01:14:32,624 responding to your letter as best and as honestly as I can" 916 01:14:36,350 --> 01:14:39,454 "The only hate I have ever seen at the rallies I attend 917 01:14:39,555 --> 01:14:43,624 and organize, was black hatred against other blacks." 918 01:14:44,549 --> 01:14:48,969 "We are not a heritage organization, we are Southern nationalists." 919 01:14:49,620 --> 01:14:52,989 "We don't pledge allegiance to the U.S. flag or sing the national 920 01:14:53,090 --> 01:14:57,894 anthem, we salute the Confederate flag and our anthem is Dixie" 921 01:15:00,889 --> 01:15:03,545 "We are fighting against cultural genocide. 922 01:15:03,968 --> 01:15:07,032 Cultural genocide it becomes physical genocide" 923 01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:12,369 "I am no longer interested in debating causes of the civil war" 924 01:15:12,539 --> 01:15:14,499 "or trying to teach history lessons." 925 01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:17,259 "I have no time for that anymore." 926 01:15:19,049 --> 01:15:21,879 "I will continue to correspond if you wish." 927 01:15:22,679 --> 01:15:23,929 ––Jean. 928 01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:33,819 I shared Jean's letter with both of her sisters. 929 01:15:34,350 --> 01:15:36,339 Jill, especially, was furious 930 01:15:37,139 --> 01:15:38,740 And she quickly wrote her reply. 931 01:15:43,249 --> 01:15:47,360 "Dear Travis, I am writing this letter to you post-interview" 932 01:15:48,450 --> 01:15:51,632 "I originally felt that SE Branches obvious actions and 933 01:15:51,733 --> 01:15:55,533 responsibility in the murder of Mr. Bill Spann spoke loudly enough." 934 01:15:57,549 --> 01:16:01,280 "After reading a letter written to you by my oldest sister, Mary Jean." 935 01:16:01,450 --> 01:16:05,130 "I have decided to share some lesser known qualities of my grandfather." 936 01:16:08,209 --> 01:16:09,600 "When I was around 11" 937 01:16:09,950 --> 01:16:11,299 "He began molesting me." 938 01:16:12,919 --> 01:16:15,479 "I have only one clear memory of the incidents" 939 01:16:17,499 --> 01:16:21,499 "He was a loud, aggressive man who intimidated other grown men." 940 01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:28,730 "I had no power against him and never told a soul until just a few years ago" 941 01:16:30,150 --> 01:16:33,139 "I instinctively knew that it would only make things worse." 942 01:16:33,620 --> 01:16:35,650 "And that I would receive no support" 943 01:16:38,990 --> 01:16:40,719 "I always knew him to be violent." 944 01:16:40,820 --> 01:16:43,839 "I had heard stories of physical abuse to my grandmother." 945 01:16:45,370 --> 01:16:48,500 "He treated her nearly as a master would a slave" 946 01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,339 "After reading the letter that my sister wrote to you" 947 01:17:00,440 --> 01:17:02,927 "I felt compelled to question her newly found memory of 948 01:17:03,028 --> 01:17:06,474 the accounts of the evening that Mr. Spann was murdered." 949 01:17:08,629 --> 01:17:12,808 "SE branch hated blacks and had no regard for women. 950 01:17:14,425 --> 01:17:17,530 It is my opinion that Mary Jean has submitted an outright lie 951 01:17:17,631 --> 01:17:21,449 disguised as an alternative to what we know to be true." 952 01:17:21,730 --> 01:17:25,250 "One: Mr. Branch was charged with murder" 953 01:17:28,179 --> 01:17:34,610 "Two: Mr. Branch was an abuser not a rescuer women." 954 01:17:35,350 --> 01:17:38,900 "Three: Mr. Branch was well known for his intense racism." 955 01:17:40,709 --> 01:17:45,601 "Well we may never know all the truth I know in my heart that Mr. Branch 956 01:17:45,702 --> 01:17:50,178 did not kill Mr. Spann while defending an African-American woman" 957 01:17:50,350 --> 01:17:53,039 "and it seems strange to me that Mary Jean would 958 01:17:53,140 --> 01:17:56,624 suddenly remembered this accounting of the evening." 959 01:17:58,709 --> 01:18:02,169 "Mr. Branch was an evil man who did evil deeds" 960 01:18:03,579 --> 01:18:10,249 My only wish is that the Spann family will know that Bill Spann's life mattered. 961 01:18:10,350 --> 01:18:12,600 "Thank you, Jill" 962 01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,600 A few weeks later Jill sent me another message. 963 01:18:18,999 --> 01:18:24,020 She told me that she'd spoken to her cousin Diane, daughter of SE Branch Jr.. 964 01:18:25,660 --> 01:18:27,978 Who recalled the following 965 01:18:28,079 --> 01:18:33,730 SE was owed money by a black man. He went to collect that money at the man's house. 966 01:18:35,329 --> 01:18:37,579 SE found him hiding under a bed. 967 01:18:38,060 --> 01:18:39,310 Dragged him out. 968 01:18:39,549 --> 01:18:41,270 And shot him dead on the spot. 969 01:18:42,950 --> 01:18:47,469 SE was always proud that he'd never so much as spent a night in jail for it. 970 01:18:51,579 --> 01:18:54,369 Which is to say accidentally 971 01:18:55,480 --> 01:18:57,719 we had stumbled on to a second murder. 972 01:19:00,049 --> 01:19:01,680 The details don't match up. 973 01:19:03,499 --> 01:19:05,609 It's obviously a different incident. 974 01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:10,790 This time we don't even know the man's name. 975 01:19:16,270 --> 01:19:17,520 Harper Lee. 976 01:19:17,799 --> 01:19:19,850 Suddenly returns to the story now. 977 01:19:21,929 --> 01:19:24,931 Unexpectedly near the end of her life she 978 01:19:25,032 --> 01:19:29,014 publishes her second book Go Set a Watchman. 979 01:19:30,799 --> 01:19:33,839 Ostensibly the sequel to To Kill a Mockingbird. 980 01:19:35,262 --> 01:19:38,965 It is more accurately described as its predecessor, 981 01:19:39,865 --> 01:19:45,019 the first draft and suddenly one recognizes To Kill a Mockingbird. 982 01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:46,371 For what it is, 983 01:19:47,652 --> 01:19:51,480 the public face of Atticus Finch. 984 01:19:54,441 --> 01:19:57,551 But the private face of Atticus Finch exists too. 985 01:19:58,428 --> 01:20:02,504 You confront it directly in Go Set a Watchman 986 01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:11,152 The segregationist. The racist. 987 01:20:11,911 --> 01:20:17,090 The bully. The hypocrite. 988 01:20:22,900 --> 01:20:24,530 It's near the end of my journey. 989 01:20:27,270 --> 01:20:30,339 My image of SE Branch remains incomplete. 990 01:20:31,889 --> 01:20:37,620 Why did he kill Bill Spann? Why was he charged with first degree murder? 991 01:20:39,230 --> 01:20:41,169 Had he threatened Bill Spann before? 992 01:20:44,418 --> 01:20:45,618 Why, 993 01:20:45,719 --> 01:20:47,109 after he was charged, 994 01:20:47,749 --> 01:20:49,270 did the charges disappear? 995 01:20:51,980 --> 01:20:53,230 He's an enigma. 996 01:20:54,589 --> 01:20:57,100 But he's an enigma with a well-kept grave. 997 01:20:58,209 --> 01:21:02,100 With family photos, with home movies, 998 01:21:02,968 --> 01:21:07,576 and with stories passed down through the generations. 999 01:21:12,929 --> 01:21:15,650 There's a story I could never quite fit in elsewhere. 1000 01:21:17,100 --> 01:21:19,080 Somehow I think you should know it. 1001 01:21:23,620 --> 01:21:25,070 Several people told me. 1002 01:21:26,700 --> 01:21:27,950 That every so often. 1003 01:21:29,610 --> 01:21:33,243 SE would pack things into a black leather doctor's bag 1004 01:21:34,119 --> 01:21:38,985 and drive off into the country, where he would pose as a doctor. 1005 01:21:39,700 --> 01:21:41,030 Treating poor blacks. 1006 01:21:47,889 --> 01:21:50,750 Bill Spann remains nearly altogether blank. 1007 01:21:52,579 --> 01:21:55,011 There are Spanns in Dothan and Abbeyville and I contacted 1008 01:21:55,112 --> 01:21:58,413 every single one I could find in the phone book. 1009 01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,530 But nobody seems to be related to Bill. 1010 01:22:04,088 --> 01:22:05,288 Lilly too 1011 01:22:05,389 --> 01:22:07,259 has disappeared without a trace 1012 01:22:08,910 --> 01:22:12,759 Even the private investigator I hired can find nothing of them. 1013 01:22:19,039 --> 01:22:22,486 In fact the only thing the private investigator told me was that 1014 01:22:22,587 --> 01:22:29,070 he knew for certain that my great grandfather wasn't a good man 1015 01:22:29,350 --> 01:22:32,580 had done a lot of bad things, and was 'friendly', 1016 01:22:32,681 --> 01:22:36,943 as he put it, with the sheriff's department 1017 01:22:43,690 --> 01:22:51,940 But he found nothing about Bill Spann or Lily Spann, or any of their descendants 1018 01:22:57,660 --> 01:23:00,390 Two families, they both live in Alabama. 1019 01:23:02,310 --> 01:23:03,580 One of them is white. 1020 01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:06,949 One of them is black. 1021 01:23:09,969 --> 01:23:17,900 One of them starts with a name one of them ends with a name 1022 01:23:20,350 --> 01:23:23,600 whiteness can incinerate a family. 1023 01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:25,738 With the heat 1024 01:23:25,839 --> 01:23:27,589 equal to a bomb. 1025 01:23:29,749 --> 01:23:31,049 Give it enough time 1026 01:23:32,770 --> 01:23:35,709 and whiteness will incinerate the world. 1027 01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:40,270 I'm driving on the road to Attalla 1028 01:23:41,810 --> 01:23:45,579 I'm listening to Phil Ochs singing about a man who was murdered there 1029 01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:49,919 He's singing directly. 1030 01:23:50,020 --> 01:23:50,828 At Me. 1031 01:23:50,929 --> 01:23:53,680 ♪ Singing♪ And they shot him on the Alabama road. 1032 01:23:54,770 --> 01:23:57,570 Forgot about what the Bible told. 1033 01:23:58,339 --> 01:24:01,169 They shot him with that letter in his hand. 1034 01:24:01,910 --> 01:24:04,730 As though he were a dog and not a man. 1035 01:24:05,509 --> 01:24:07,509 They shot him on the Alabama road 1036 01:24:09,829 --> 01:24:12,810 Did you say it was a shame when he died? 1037 01:24:13,490 --> 01:24:16,460 Did you say he was a fool because he tried? 1038 01:24:16,889 --> 01:24:19,940 Did you wonder who had fired the gun? 1039 01:24:20,669 --> 01:24:23,729 Did you know that it was you that fired the gun? 1040 01:24:24,289 --> 01:24:26,820 Did you say it was a shame when he died? 1041 01:24:31,929 --> 01:24:33,859 Someone's following me again. 1042 01:24:34,839 --> 01:24:36,469 They have been for a while. 1043 01:24:37,549 --> 01:24:38,799 I slowed down. 1044 01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:40,650 And so did they. 1045 01:24:42,249 --> 01:24:43,499 I Speed up. 1046 01:24:44,310 --> 01:24:45,560 And so did they. 1047 01:24:46,919 --> 01:24:48,889 And I go faster. 1048 01:24:49,480 --> 01:24:50,760 And faster. 1049 01:24:52,179 --> 01:24:53,429 And so do they. 1050 01:25:15,350 --> 01:25:18,600 ♪ Singing♪ Can you talk to him? x5 1051 01:26:12,350 --> 01:26:16,600 ♪ singing♪ Oh my Lord winter is here. 1052 01:26:21,350 --> 01:26:29,600 and I spend my summer days resting in the shade by the willow tree. 1053 01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:41,600 I heard the fog march through town last night 1054 01:26:46,350 --> 01:26:52,600 Footprints in snow. My country's heartbeat's grown cold 1055 01:26:57,350 --> 01:27:05,600 I will close your eyes. The country's blind with you. 1056 01:27:06,460 --> 01:27:08,970 The castles on the coast are filled up with smoke 1057 01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:13,469 Hold your tongue or fall. 1058 01:27:36,350 --> 01:27:40,249 I'll find the hole in the fisherman's net. 1059 01:27:40,350 --> 01:27:47,429 Dive deep or sink or swim. faster now 1060 01:27:47,530 --> 01:27:53,100 Swim faster now 1061 01:28:08,850 --> 01:28:13,600 Take my hand. We'll take the Lord's 1062 01:28:15,350 --> 01:28:23,600 'Cause I heard tales of the shire, music and fire, deep in sandstone eyes 89455

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