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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,760 {\an5}This programme contains themes of child abuse and discussions about drugs 2 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,000 Michael Jackson met Gavin Arvizo in 2000. 3 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,440 He was ten years old and he was dying of cancer. 4 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,080 Michael wanted me to edit a short film of Michael 5 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:06,120 and Gavin. 6 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,920 And I don't think it was meant for the public to see. 7 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:27,200 When I see that footage it makes me uneasy. 8 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,360 Is it possible that Michael is a child molester, 9 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,960 is it possible that he did something to this kid? 10 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,240 Can you copy? 11 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:43,080 Dozens of investigators swarmed Michael Jackson's Neverland ranch. 12 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,120 The search is tied to allegations from 13 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,200 a 12-year-old boy that he was molested by Jackson. 14 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,480 Sherrif's Department. We have a search warrant. 15 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:55,320 I was told if you say or do anything you're going to kill your career. 16 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:56,880 Are there any secret rooms? 17 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,160 Michael had some kind of control over me. 18 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,240 I didn't say what I should have said. 19 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,080 Tonight, Jackson is wanted by police. 20 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,880 The entire accusations against Michael was a scam. 21 00:02:10,920 --> 00:02:13,040 Michael Jackson under arrest. 22 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,680 He had a succession of boys coming through his room 23 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,400 and spending the night. 24 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,720 He could abuse children almost with impunity. 25 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,920 I remember Gavin's mom saying, 26 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,200 "I don't care what he offers, 27 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,040 "I will never take the devil's money." 28 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,560 The jury in Santa Maria, California has reached a verdict. 29 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:37,680 If he is found guilty, 30 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,000 it will be a journey not back 31 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,280 to Neverland but straight to prison. 32 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:47,000 Do you think he's innocent? After everything you've seen, 33 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,680 do you still think he's possibly innocent? 34 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,720 Michael Jackson has a lot at stake. 35 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,640 After years of scandal and some pretty odd behaviour, 36 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:24,360 The King of Pop may have to fight to retain his title. 37 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,480 At one time the singer Michael Jackson was 38 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,200 the hottest showbiz act in the world 39 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,720 but then his career drastically declined. 40 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:35,200 When I met Michael Jackson, 41 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,080 he was renting this beautiful townhouse right off 42 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,880 Central Park. I walk in, and Michael's in this room. 43 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,240 It was a little bit like this, you know. 44 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:47,960 It was, not a lot of light. 45 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,200 And he's very shy. 46 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,360 Michael was very shy. 47 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,120 So, I just started asking him questions like, 48 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,040 "What are you doing in New York?" "Well, Shmuley, 49 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,200 "I'm finishing my Invincible album." 50 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:58,760 Little did I realise that was going on for like 51 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,000 a decade already. 52 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,600 I was the Rabbi at Oxford University for 11 years. 53 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:09,800 And because I was so involved in 54 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,440 the space of helping people order their lives, 55 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,320 I felt that I could do that for Michael. 56 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,080 I mean, everyone knew that Michael Jackson was troubled in some way, 57 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,960 that he was a little bit off. He was different. 58 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:26,680 In fact, if we want to be 59 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,240 a little bit less kind, he was called Wacko Jacko. 60 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:34,480 We start talking, 61 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,800 and the conversation just began to roll. 62 00:04:36,840 --> 00:04:39,480 Probably turned into a two, three-hour meeting. 63 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:40,840 And then he starts sharing even 64 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,240 these very private things immediately. 65 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,760 Testing, one, two, three. Testing. 66 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:53,560 OK. Let me ask you about, were you happy? 67 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,000 When I was little? 68 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,480 Nobody has heard those tapes before. 69 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:04,840 And the things that Michael reveals in those tapes have no precedent. 70 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:32,280 How did I feel listening to it? it? Unnerved. 71 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:33,840 But I did begin 72 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,800 to understand Michael so much more deeply. 73 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:42,080 {\an1}KNOCKING 74 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,880 Joseph had this thing. "I'm raising men, 75 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,200 "not boys." Crying was unacceptable. 76 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,560 Anything that he thought made them appear 77 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,360 the least bit feminine, 78 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,560 that didn't sit well with him at all. 79 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,080 His father had wanted him to be a performer 80 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,520 but had never given him unconditional love. 81 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:26,720 He said to me, 82 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,920 "Do you understand that from the age of five I was taken 83 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:33,120 "to nightclubs where we saw stuff..." Nightclubs. 84 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,360 His brothers, any time they were on tour, 85 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:51,680 when they were adults, 86 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,360 there were many women that they would go in 87 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,840 and out of hotels with, all that, you know, 88 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,440 rock and roll stuff. 89 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,160 Except for Michael. Michael would run away from it. 90 00:07:04,280 --> 00:07:07,280 Sometimes, even by his own admission, he would cry. 91 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,040 He always said to me he found it disgusting. 92 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,280 Did it lead him to believe that sex can be disgusting? 93 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:15,680 Yeah, possibly. 94 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,120 That's not the best way 95 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,440 to discover what love and sex is about. 96 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,040 Michael was robbed of that childhood innocence, 97 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,440 and Michael spent his life trying to get 98 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:42,680 the world's attention, 99 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,120 thinking it might compensate. And it never did. 100 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,440 I met Michael Jackson in 1984. 101 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,440 The Jackson Five was on the Victory tour. 102 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,120 Their reunion. 103 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,560 Michael introduced the moonwalk to the world at that time. 104 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,560 - I saw Michael Jackson! Michael Jackson! - I saw him. 105 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:13,880 At that time, 106 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,040 his popularity was through the roof. 107 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:27,600 When you think about 1984 108 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:28,960 and you think about Michael Jackson, 109 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:33,960 you think about this dark-skinned black man who women, 110 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,400 whether they were black, white or whatever, 111 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:36,800 they were crazy about. 112 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,080 And thought he was the most handsome dude there was. 113 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,960 He was sexy. He was charming. He was electric. 114 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,640 He was the King of Pop. 115 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,400 And then there was this mystery to him, 116 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,480 too, because he never really said much. 117 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,600 He lives here with his mother and two sisters, 118 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,440 a boa constrictor, a llama, 119 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,240 and a room full of mannequins. He loves mannequins. 120 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,920 He is a Jehovah's Witness. Neither smokes, 121 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:06,600 drinks, nor swears, loves Disneyland and is very shy. 122 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,480 And then Michael did something weird. 123 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,840 In the late '80s, early '90s, 124 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,040 he stopped really having adult friends. 125 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,560 I know family members were wondering what's happening there. 126 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:28,800 He basically cut them off. And then, 127 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,000 of course, he built this amazing place, Neverland. 128 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:52,200 It was a very isolated ranch, like 3,000 acres, 129 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,880 so there was this contradictory dichotomy of him on 130 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:56,280 the one hand being 131 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,680 the most recognisable entertainer on Earth 132 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,120 and then on the other hand never visible. 133 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,600 It was the summer of 2000. 134 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,640 My family and I arrived in Neverland. 135 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,960 Michael was so reclusive, never visible, 136 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,720 always hidden away. And I would say to him, 137 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,000 "You're a youthful guy and you don't have friends here." 138 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,560 He was totally alienated from his father. 139 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,560 And I began to understand that Michael was living a nightmare. 140 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:23,960 - Michael! - Stop pulling it down. - Michael. - Stop. - Michael! 141 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,440 They're getting hurt. 142 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,400 Come on watch your fingers. Put your hand down. 143 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,720 You're so beautiful. You're so beautiful. 144 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,080 Watch your fingers. 145 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,800 I love you. I love you. 146 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:40,400 Working for Michael Jackson was a sea of madness all the time. 147 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,840 Michael, did you sign my picture from yesterday? 148 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,480 Can you give it back to me, please? 149 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,320 I didn't see it. I'm sorry, I didn't see it, I don't have it. 150 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,160 OK we've got to go. We have to go. 151 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,080 Watch out. We have to go. Watch your head. 152 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,960 Watch your head. Watch your head. Pull it back. 153 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,880 Why aren't they helping us out there? The security. 154 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:02,720 OK. All the way up, all the way up. Let go. 155 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,520 I was a 21-year-old producer trying 156 00:12:05,560 --> 00:12:07,640 to make it in Hollywood. 157 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:08,960 One project led 158 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,200 to another project, and before I know it, 159 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:12,960 I'm working for the biggest star in 160 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,720 the history of stardom, Michael Jackson. 161 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:20,920 From that day on, for the next few years, 162 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,840 me and Michael's Director of Photography filmed everything 163 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:24,880 for Michael. 164 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:27,720 Going into a public place 165 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,840 with Michael Jackson can only be 166 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:36,000 properly or sufficiently understood if you actually have seen it happen. 167 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,160 {\an1}CHEERING 168 00:12:42,680 --> 00:12:47,280 There is no comparison to Michael Jackson fans versus 169 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,080 the rest of fandom. It is an entire different planet. 170 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:58,920 {\an1}SCREAMING AND CHEERING 171 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:09,240 It is people that truly look at Michael Jackson not just as a man, 172 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:13,000 but also as a god and a religion. 173 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,040 {\an1}CHEERING 174 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,920 It's like the biblical version of modern stardom. 175 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:28,480 But I have very, 176 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:29,800 very few memories 177 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,600 of when I actually felt like Michael was happy. 178 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,720 I think that the only times that I really saw 179 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,320 Michael happy was when he was playing, 180 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,480 when he was, when he was surrounded by kids. 181 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:47,600 And that's why Neverland was perfect for Michael Jackson. 182 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,880 If any kid could build their dream house, 183 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:59,280 they would build Neverland Ranch. A train station, 184 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:05,680 a carousel, roller-coasters, a zoo. It was just surreal. 185 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,000 Michael Jackson in my opinion was just a kid. 186 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,440 I never saw a sexual side of Michael Jackson. 187 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,440 I saw an asexual man who wanted to be 12 years old 188 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,960 and wanted to have water balloon fights. 189 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,480 Welcome to Neverland. And have a wonderful day. OK? 190 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,120 Thank you. 191 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,680 {\an1}CHEERING 192 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,160 We love you. 193 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,200 I saw a ton of kids visit Neverland. 194 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,960 I saw a ton of sick kids with big smiles on their faces. 195 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,880 - Thank you. - Thank you. 196 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,360 You have all these sick kids who came to Neverland Ranch 197 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:11,800 and met Michael Jackson 198 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,200 and met this Peter Pan-like figure 199 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:15,840 and had the time of their lives 200 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,960 for one day before they went back to a cancer hospital. 201 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:27,800 Michael wanted me 202 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,720 to understand that he had noble motives, 203 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,080 that he was a good person, that he had a kind heart, 204 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,600 that he was genuinely devoted to children in general 205 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,280 and to sickly children in particular. 206 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,000 Michael kept on saying to me that a child who has cancer, 207 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:46,040 who he had met and befriended was coming to stay for the first time. 208 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,960 Gavin Arvizo was a ten-year-old kid. He was small, 209 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,600 he was frail, and he had terminal cancer. 210 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,160 I remember having to edit a short film of Michael 211 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,200 and Gavin. 212 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,200 The video was made for Gavin's family 213 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,000 and for Michael to enjoy and for Michael to have. 214 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,240 And I don't think it was meant for the public to see. 215 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:31,960 The first time you see it, 216 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,760 I think you're a little taken back, 217 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,160 especially if you don't know Michael Jackson really well. 218 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,920 It felt really uncomfortable 219 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:46,560 because it's an adult man seemingly having like a picnic 220 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,240 with a ten-year-old. 221 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:56,280 It shows Michael and Gavin holding hands, 222 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,800 and the soundtrack that Michael specifically wanted 223 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,440 to use was I'll Be There, which is a really, 224 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,440 really sweet song, 225 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,720 but it seems to sound like a little bit of 226 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,920 a romantic song to the adult ear. 227 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,400 But he wanted to be his best friend. 228 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,200 He wanted to give this kid 229 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:17,160 the best possible memories that he could at the end of his life. 230 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:18,960 We're going to walk out of the shot. 231 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,000 I walked into Gavin's hospital room 232 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:00,280 and there was 233 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:04,880 a gigantic gift basket full of things like PlayStations. 234 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:13,080 And I said, "Who gave you that?" And Gavin said, "Michael." 235 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,480 That's the first time I heard about 236 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,160 the involvement of Michael Jackson in Gavin's life. 237 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,240 I was teaching stand-up comedy at The Laugh Factory 238 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:31,480 to kids from tough neighbourhoods 239 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,440 and Gavin was naturally funny. 240 00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:41,800 The Arvizos lived in East LA in a one-bedroom apartment. 241 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,440 There were mattresses on the floors 242 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,640 and sheets dividing where the parents slept 243 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,720 and where the children slept. 244 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:57,240 Janet Arvizo had three kids. She was an effervescent, 245 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,200 outgoing person who wanted 246 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:00,400 to give her kids opportunities, 247 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,720 even though they didn't have a lot of money. 248 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,440 Gavin was a very affectionate child 249 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,880 and his father had been abusive so he craved attention. 250 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,520 We had comedians that worked frequently at 251 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,760 The Laugh Factory helping out as mentors. 252 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,520 I saw a lot of people going out of their way 253 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,960 to help Gavin and his family 254 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,440 and so he was introduced to Michael Jackson 255 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,320 because they thought he would get joy out of it. 256 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:33,800 Gavin would talk to me about 257 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,200 the fun he was having at Neverland 258 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,360 and how I should go with them. 259 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,880 Janet told me that Michael 260 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,200 and Gavin were doing a lot of pranks, 261 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:48,920 a lot of sneaking up on people, 262 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,640 a lot of playful wrestling. 263 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,080 And I would say, 264 00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:58,680 "Where is everyone sleeping?" She would say, 265 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,200 "Oh, we're sleeping in the cottages." 266 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,840 I never said to her, "I worry," 267 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:12,480 but my view was that Michael Jackson probably had 268 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,560 a sexual attraction for children. 269 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:23,120 I knew about the Jordan Chandler accusations. 270 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,240 So, this is ten years prior to Gavin. 271 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:29,680 Michael Jackson is at 272 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,000 the centre of a criminal investigation. 273 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:35,520 Pop superstar Michael Jackson is facing allegations of child abuse. 274 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,280 He knew how to manipulate his world. 275 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,880 I am not guilty of these allegations 276 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:48,040 but if I am guilty of anything it is of giving all I that have to give 277 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,480 to help children all over the world. 278 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,120 Jackson settled this case out of court 279 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,680 and paid his accuser an estimated $20 million. 280 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,360 There is a widespread feeling that he still had something to hide. 281 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,240 Michael Jackson built an amusement park in 282 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,240 the middle of nowhere. 283 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:06,880 I don't think that's 284 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,440 the behaviour of somebody who's not attracted sexually 285 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:12,480 to children. 286 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,320 But we don't know the truth 287 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:18,840 because we're not in the room. 288 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,400 So, all we can do is formulate an opinion. 289 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:27,360 And I wasn't worried about Gavin being targeted 290 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,720 because he had cancer, he was dying. 291 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:38,480 I thought, why not let him go, pet the giraffe? 292 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:39,760 Just enjoy it. 293 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:13,920 Michael and Gavin had obviously created 294 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,960 a bond through Gavin's sickness, 295 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,200 and his family had an obvious 296 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,400 and reasonable reason to really adore Michael. 297 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,640 My name is Star 298 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,800 and I really feel sad about my brother all sick 299 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,240 and everything. 300 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:34,440 All they know about 301 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:40,480 the cancer is aggressive and everything. That's it. 302 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,120 The youngest son of the Arvizos was named Star. 303 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,240 And when you met Star, 304 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,800 all he talked about was his future in comedy and TV. 305 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,200 Star just wanted to be a famous kid. 306 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:52,800 Star wanted to be a TV host. 307 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,600 Star wanted so much of the LA and fame world. 308 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:00,720 And obviously, 309 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,320 if you're put in Michael Jackson's world 310 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:06,720 and you have access to cameras and Neverland Ranch, 311 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,680 you've just found your way to the big time. 312 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,880 Good evening. Welcome to the Neverland Channel. 313 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,560 My name is Star. Here we are live at the Neverland Park. 314 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:16,720 As you can see, 315 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,040 the kids are excited and they're full of popcorn. 316 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:24,000 Michael paid for a big production crew to make a television pilot. 317 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,360 You are watching the Neverland Channel. 318 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:32,800 All kids. All fun. 24 hours around the world. 319 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,760 And it was the exploits around Neverland Ranch. 320 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,160 Meeting the elephants, 321 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,160 feeding the giraffes, going on the train. 322 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:40,840 Look at... Michael has 323 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,320 so many fields of grass. I love being here. 324 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:45,600 Sort of like Nickelodeon at Neverland. 325 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,040 Whoa. Look at all sorts of rides over there. 326 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,080 Gavin was in it a little bit. But Star was the host. 327 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,000 As you can see, I'm here with the elephants 328 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,040 and their trainer. Could I ask you...? 329 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,720 It was obviously done out of the kindness of Michael's heart 330 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,480 to make this child Star feel good about something, 331 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,720 or to do something for the child. 332 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:14,960 And there you have it. 333 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,080 The exclusive of Neverland pre-historic animals. 334 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:20,440 {\an1}BEEP 335 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,480 And... And there it is. The exclusive of the elephants. 336 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:23,720 {\an1}BEEP 337 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,640 And that's a wrap. 338 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,520 On the surface, Neverland looks like a marvellous experience 339 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:30,880 for children, 340 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,920 and they felt like the most special little boys in 341 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,760 the world. They craved more of that. 342 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:41,600 Here I am with my very, very good friend of mine, Gavin. 343 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,880 But Michael Jackson was really good at seducing these kids. 344 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:49,480 He presented himself to the world as, "I am Peter Pan," 345 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,720 and the spin control that he had never had 346 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,480 a childhood was to disarm us. 347 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,200 Well, my favourite show is... 348 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,920 But it was a facade. 349 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,520 ..because I want to be the greatest dancer in the world. 350 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,680 Gavin was a fierce little boy, but he suffered. 351 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,480 They had to remove a giant tumour from his abdomen. 352 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,520 They also removed one of his kidneys. 353 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:24,920 I said goodbye 354 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,600 to him in my prayers every night when I left 355 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,640 the hospital. We thought he would die. 356 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,240 Michael helped arrange blood transfusions. 357 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,440 He helped arrange certain cancer cares. 358 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,240 And who knows why or how, 359 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:04,040 but somehow Gavin Arvizo survived a terminal form of cancer. 360 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:14,280 My heart just broke wide open. And he... 361 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,360 And he was really going to recover, 362 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,880 and I was just overwhelmed by that. 363 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,240 We went and bought Christmas presents. 364 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,200 I remember that Gavin's hair had all grown back. 365 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,800 I was almost in tears. 366 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,480 But when I saw him that Christmas and he was healthy, 367 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,360 that's when I worried about how he 368 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:45,480 might really now be in harm's way regarding Michael Jackson. 369 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,160 After Gavin got better, 370 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,960 Janet told me that she wasn't able to get through 371 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,360 to Michael Jackson 372 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,400 and they were not being invited back to Neverland. 373 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:17,680 So, there was all these confusing things that were happening. 374 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,880 But I know how Gavin is 375 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,680 and, you know, once he became friends with Michael Jackson, 376 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,640 he wanted to spend time with Michael. 377 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,640 Well, after spending three years 378 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,600 and a reputed $20 million, 379 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,480 Michael Jackson is out to rock the word 380 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,600 with his first studio album of new songs in ten years. 381 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,360 I am at The Beverly Hills Hotel meeting Michael Jackson 382 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,720 for the first time. 383 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,600 I had received a phone call from 384 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,560 a friend at Sony who was complaining 385 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:57,920 and very worried that 386 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,360 the Michael Jackson record was not 387 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,440 going to come in on time. And that was a problem 388 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,640 because that's costing 389 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,840 a million dollars a minute kind of thing. 390 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,360 My role was to make sure that they could get a record in. 391 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,040 When you work with like rap artists 392 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,520 and stuff like that it is like, no hookers, 393 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,200 no blow, we've got to get this in 394 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,160 and we've got a due date of the 15th. 395 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,320 I'm there to talk business. 396 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,040 But then there was a mysterious man that just kind of showed up with 397 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,240 a briefcase full of just pharmaceuticals. 398 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:38,440 There was loads of pills and drugs. Demerol was a big one. 399 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,760 And then we zipped around the corner and went to a pharmacy 400 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,440 and picked up more drugs. 401 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,200 And I'm like, what the hell? What is this? 402 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,120 Genius? What are you talking about? He's drugged out. 403 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,600 In the studio, 404 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,720 I realised very quickly that we 405 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,240 are not focused on what we should be focused on. 406 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,960 He doesn't wake up until three in the afternoon 407 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,240 and then you are sitting there, like, waiting, 408 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:04,880 for hours and hours and hours 409 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,360 and then he gets up and, "I don't feel like it." 410 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,080 He wasn't even there half the time. 411 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,920 I thought, "Why isn't anybody saying anything?" 412 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,240 He was surrounded by yes people 413 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,600 and if you didn't say yes, you were whisked into the corner. 414 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,400 {\an1}- Michael! - Michael! - REPORTERS SHOUT 415 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,000 My biggest concern was the fact that he is woozy 416 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,080 and out of it all the time. 417 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,280 The fact that he would call me up from Neverland, 418 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:39,520 here in this house and say to me, "Shmuley, I love you, I miss you." 419 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,320 {\an1}REPORTERS SHOUT 420 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,480 And I would say to Michael, "You know this is going to kill you." 421 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,080 "Shmuley it's not medical, it's this..." 422 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,440 I said, "Michael, you are too smart to talk yourself into this. 423 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,520 "There is nothing medical about this. 424 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,000 {\an1}REPORTERS SHOUT 425 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,720 I was trying to save him from a downward spiral. 426 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,720 Thank you for waiting, really appreciate it. 427 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,320 - Michael! - Michael! 428 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,960 At that time, Michael was divorced. 429 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,400 I felt very strongly that he needed a wife. 430 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,920 He needed a soulmate. 431 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,520 He needed someone who would ground him. 432 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,160 Let's go shake 'em up. 433 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,920 Let's show what you do to the crowds with your daddy in the window. 434 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,920 They have been there since six o'clock this morning. 435 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,200 Look, now they're out there... 436 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,520 He had been married to Debbie Rowe, 437 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,480 and they two kids together. 438 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,240 {\an1}SHOUTING OUTSIDE 439 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,720 {\an1}CHEERING 440 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,480 People were already speculating about the marriage. 441 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,600 Was she a surrogate mother, was it a real marriage? 442 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,880 Michael made a decision to have kids that were not African Americans. 443 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,640 Shake. Do you want a Life Saver? Shake yourself. 444 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,320 He did not want them to have the looks of his father 445 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,680 and he did want have the traits of his father. 446 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,800 In 2000, he divorces Debbie Rowe, 447 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,080 and then suddenly he is raising the kids by himself. 448 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,920 They were probably three and two at the time, and very attached to him. 449 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,880 I was trying to resuscitate and rehabilitate Michael - 450 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,360 not his career, but his personhood. 451 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,960 You know to get him - let's have a more normal schedule. 452 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,840 Let's get the kids out with play dates with other kids. 453 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,600 Let's even get the kids maybe into school - 454 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,560 and then he wasn't being productive with his artistry. 455 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,480 It's a continuous kind of train wreck ride 456 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,520 of not being able to focus on this record. 457 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,360 You can see where it's going. 458 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,640 It's heading towards a tragedy. 459 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,560 A self-imposed tragedy. 460 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:56,320 Michael! Michael! Michael! Michael! Michael! Michael! 461 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,840 Shortly after the album comes out, 462 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,000 we are committed to go to several record stores. 463 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,600 One of them, being the biggest, 464 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,320 is the Virgin megastore in New York City, Times Square. 465 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,600 Michael! Michael! Michael! 466 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,120 He didn't want to be there. 467 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,760 There was kind of like this feeling of hope being lost. 468 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,800 {\an1}CROWD CHEERS 469 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,080 A hit, that's what they want. 470 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,880 {\an1}THEY SCREAM 471 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,200 Well, that's not what they got. 472 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,480 $30 million later... 473 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,160 ..they get a clunker. 474 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,360 His latest album, Invincible, 475 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,280 only sold a disappointing two million copies in the US. 476 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,800 Invincible? I don't think so. 477 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,760 The train keeps going. 478 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,640 Where is the next stop coming to, folks? 479 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,880 Michael! Michael! Michael! 480 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,200 Michael! Michael! Michael! Michael! Michael! 481 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,280 Jackson shocked the world, 482 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,320 dangling his own son from high atop a hotel balcony. 483 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,680 Once I saw him dangling his child, 484 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,640 I mean that was game, set match point for me. 485 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,600 That man shouldn't be around children. 486 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,120 What's with your brother? 487 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,200 My brother is not a crazy character. 488 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,640 He is not the Wacko Jacko that people say. 489 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,800 He was just caught up in the moment. 490 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,600 Michael calls Jermaine after the Larry King interview 491 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,960 and says, you know, "Don't do any more interviews 492 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,840 "I have something coming up, 493 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,040 "it is going to just blow everyone away. 494 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,360 "People are going to be amazed. 495 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,680 "They are going to be shocked with what I got coming." 496 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:56,360 He talked about what turned out to be The Martin Bashir documentary. 497 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,240 I started getting calls from someone who worked with Martin Bashir, 498 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,800 his Jewish producer trying, like, to pull the Jewish card. 499 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,640 "Hi, Shmuley. You're a Rabbi. 500 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:15,560 "You therefore have to help me get my boss Martin Bashir 501 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,840 "to interview Michael Jackson," 502 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,160 and I went to Michael, and I said, "I don't know Martin Bashir, 503 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,760 "but the thing he did with Diana was not good." 504 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,880 Bombshell after Bombshell dropped by the Princess of Wales 505 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,840 in her first-ever prime time television interview. 506 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,240 A British public unaccustomed to television therapy sessions 507 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,280 heard their fairy tale princess 508 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,120 admit to having an extra marital affair, an eating disorder. 509 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,560 I have known the Jackson family for going on close 510 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:51,920 to half a century. 511 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:58,480 I was the attorney to the family for many years 512 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,280 {\an8}and I knew all about the Martin Bashir documentary 513 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,360 {\an8}way far in advance. 514 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,000 Michael's managers asked Michael if there were any children 515 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,440 that they could bring to Neverland Ranch to film for the documentary, 516 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,760 and Gavin Arvizo's name came up. 517 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,920 Michael hadn't seen Gavin for a year and half. 518 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,800 So many people warned him, 519 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,320 "Don't do the Martin Bashir documentary. Don't do it. 520 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,400 "He will hurt Michael. 521 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,400 "He hurt Princess Diana. 522 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,120 "Diana divorced Charles as a result, 523 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,160 "and you are going to do a documentary 524 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,360 "with Martin Bashir, Michael? 525 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,440 "Don't do it, Michael." 526 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,960 There's a nervousness, a very nervous, tense vibe 527 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,240 about him doing this documentary at Neverland, right? 528 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,520 This is an indicator that people are nervous 529 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,760 about what Michael could be doing or saying, 530 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,080 because you can't control him. 531 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,160 What happens when you spend eight months with Michael Jackson? 532 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,320 ABC Start dropping amazing commercials. 533 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,400 See for yourself. 534 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,120 It's Michael Jackson. 535 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,320 It looked like it was going to be a phenomenal show - 536 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,000 and everyone is excited. 537 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,240 The family's excited, Jermaine is excited. 538 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,320 A two-hour event you have to see it to believe. 539 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,040 You know, a global audience is watching this. 540 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,440 Michael Jackson's star has been falling for some time, 541 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,680 but the anticipation ahead of this documentary is now immense. 542 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,320 When Living With Michael Jackson airs this evening, 543 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,640 these streets are going to be deserted. 544 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,600 Fans and critics alike are saying they're going to staying in 545 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,040 to watch the programme. 546 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,560 With his reputation in America very much at stake, 547 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,840 for Michael Jackson, it must be a nervous wait. 548 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,640 I went to Hayvenhurst, the Jacksons' home. 549 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,640 I sit down in the living room there 550 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,320 and, you know, Katherine comes down the stairs, 551 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,840 this winding staircase and she comes down. 552 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,960 You know, Jermaine is sitting on the couch next to me 553 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,880 and we're talking, and there's a big television there, 554 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,840 and we watched the Martin Bashir documentary, 555 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,560 and I'll never forget it. 556 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,760 Eight months ago, I put a proposal to Michael Jackson - 557 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,480 show me the real man, but show me everything. 558 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,280 My boyfriend called and said, 559 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,240 "Have you seen this special with Michael Jackson?" 560 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,240 I said, "No, my VCR recorded it." 561 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,840 Jimmy said, "Gavin's in it," 562 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,960 and my heart just sank, 563 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,880 because that didn't sound like a good idea. 564 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,120 I'm staying in this little crappy hotel one night. 565 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,000 I think it was in the South somewhere. 566 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,680 And it's going to be on. "Should I watch it? 567 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:08,960 "No, Shmuley don't succumb to temptation, don't watch it, 568 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,680 "because you know to is going to upset you," 569 00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:11,840 but I watched it. 570 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,800 Did I believe that Martin Bashir was there to make Michael look good? 571 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,680 No, I did not. 572 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,760 - Come on, show me. - I'm going to show you. 573 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,880 This is Michael Jackson's favourite shop in Las Vegas, 574 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,360 with the luckiest manager in the world. 575 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,720 I bought that. 576 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,400 You bought that? 577 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,480 Michael's life was not ready to be opened to the public - 578 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:38,760 because he would wake up every day 579 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,040 at six in the afternoon, stay up the entire night, 580 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,000 you know - and he was blowing money 581 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,360 to compensate for feelings of maybe worthlessness. 582 00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:51,560 This chess set. Isn't it beautiful, this set? 583 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,440 And that's what you saw on that stupid documentary. 584 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:54,960 He goes in and spends $6 million 585 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,880 on total garbage he probably never saw again. 586 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,320 - Oh, it's sold, look. - I bought this one, right? - Uh-huh. 587 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,600 - Is this yours? - Yeah, that's the sold sign, means it for me. 588 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:03,920 OK, How much is that one? 589 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,840 - Oh... - Did we ever get this one, these ones? 590 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,360 It's only 89,000. 591 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,400 Being able to have a front row seat with his family, 592 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,480 and seeing their reaction, 593 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,520 I'll never forget, where Michael tells Martin Bashir 594 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,720 that he's climbing a tree... 595 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:20,880 Let me hold the umbrella. 596 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,640 - Yeah. - You go and climb it, and when you've climbed it, 597 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,200 let's see how inspiring it is. 598 00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:27,320 ..and Joseph, of course, 599 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,640 like, "What is wrong with that boy?" 600 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,040 You know? 601 00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:35,240 Jermaine was like, "This kid is crazy. 602 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,520 "He is out of his mind." 603 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,960 Having water ballon fights and climbing trees. 604 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,040 I think those two are my favourite. 605 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,280 Don't you prefer making love, or... 606 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:46,480 - Hmm? - ..going to a concert? 607 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,360 And he's saying he would rather climb a tree than have sex. 608 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,840 This grown man?! They were horrified. 609 00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:01,920 Michael Jackson was, socially, not like you or like I. 610 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,520 Michael was in a different class of human. 611 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,720 I think that's why Martin Bashir didn't understand Michael. 612 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,160 I think that's why most journalists didn't understand Michael. 613 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,720 Like most Martin Bashir productions, 80% of it is really great. 614 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,040 Oh, you know how to do a moonwalk. 615 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,640 I learned it from you guys. 616 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,680 Playing with kids and comforting them, that's great. 617 00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:24,240 Oh, don't stand up yet. Hold on. 618 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:29,840 And 20% of it...is like getting shot in the head, 619 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,120 especially the interview the Arvizo family. 620 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,120 {\an1}THEY SING 621 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,720 And then I met 12-year old Gavin and his brother and sister. 622 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,880 And then there was a scene where we see this young boy, Gavin Arvizo, 623 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,640 who, supposedly, Michael helped cure his cancer. 624 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,520 It was like, "OK, they might make something of this." 625 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,600 There was one night where I asked him if I could stay in his bedroom 626 00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,040 and he let me stay in the bedroom. 627 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,560 I was like, "Michael you can sleep on the bed." 628 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,680 Wow. I just remember looking at Joseph's face, 629 00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:08,600 and Jermaine's face, Katherine - 630 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,720 they were stunned. 631 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,600 And then he finally said, "OK, if you love me, 632 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,520 "you'll sleep on the bed." 633 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,600 I was like, "Oh, man!" 634 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,120 and so I finally slept on the bed. 635 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,640 But it was fun, that night. 636 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,280 I slept on the floor. 637 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,640 It was like, "What the heck was that?" 638 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,880 {\an8}and you see Gavin put his head on Michael's shoulder, 639 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:35,480 {\an8}and there was this cloud that came over the living room. 640 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,240 {\an8}Why can't you share your bed? 641 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,400 {\an8}The most loving thing to do is to share your bed with someone. 642 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,760 {\an8}- You know? - You really think that? 643 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,000 {\an8}Yeah. 644 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,280 {\an8}My mouth was agape. 645 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:53,080 Did you just say that it is OK for an adult to share a bed 646 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,600 with a child that is not their own? 647 00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:01,400 It was, for me, as if he had fallen and crashed. 648 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,400 But haven't you got a spare room, 649 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,360 or a spare house here where he could've stayed? 650 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,560 Yeah, but - no... Yes, we have guest units, but whenever kids come here, 651 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,520 they always want to stay with me. 652 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,680 I thought, "Man he is really a glutton for punishment here," 653 00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:17,880 and the Jacksons knew it was a problem. 654 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,840 They knew, based on what they had already went through with Michael 655 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,480 with Jordan Chandler, 656 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,240 that somebody is going to say something about this. 657 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,680 This is going to be a media talking point. 658 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,840 The documentary was pretty shocking. 659 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,000 I was worried that Michael was using Gavin 660 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,920 to normalise his lifestyle, 661 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,200 sleeping with children he is not related to. 662 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,480 That's sort of the narcissist at work. 663 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:52,760 They always just want to stay. 664 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,840 They say, "Can I stay with you tonight?" 665 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,720 I go, "If it's OK with your parents, yes, you can." 666 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,720 But whatever he was trying to do with Martin Bashir had back-fired, 667 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:09,200 and it's Michael Jackson's brand that's at stake here. 668 00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:11,040 That's big. 669 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,680 Pop star Michael Jackson drops one bombshell after another 670 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:16,040 about his bizarre behaviour. 671 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,840 {\an8}Millions of people were watching 672 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,600 {\an8}as Jackson revealed he allows young children to sleep his bed. 673 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,960 What kind of loony would, A, do it, 674 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,960 and, B, go on national TV and admit it? 675 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,760 Michael made tragic, horrific mistakes. 676 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,800 What are you doing alone with a kid in your bed, 677 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,240 even if it's not physical or sexual? 678 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,600 {\an8}The next day, I decided I had to make a statement. 679 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,440 {\an8}Those of us who were once in Michael's circle, or still are, 680 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,400 {\an8}enough of the defence - we have to save this man from self-destructing. 681 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,760 We went into red alert, all hands of deck. 682 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,640 What can we do from a public relations standpoint 683 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,400 to help Michael? 684 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,880 {\an8}Every time we trust the media to do something for us, 685 00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,920 {\an8}they turn around and they do us wrong. 686 00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:01,520 {\an8}They feel burned by the media? 687 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,320 They feel very burned by the media. 688 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,360 It caused a worldwide commotion. 689 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,320 27 million people watched that show. 690 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:16,840 {\an8}Gavin Arvizo put his head to his left on Michael's right shoulder. 691 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,760 Michael told me that when the kid did that, 692 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,600 he was furious. 693 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,200 "He's putting his head on my shoulder? 694 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:30,360 "What is going on here? This is going to be terrible!" 695 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,680 Michael knew it right away. 696 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:34,360 Did Bashir tell him to do that? 697 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,600 Well, that's the word that I got. 698 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,520 Do I know that for a fact? No, I do not. 699 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:46,560 You had to know that Martin Bashir was going to be Martin Bashir, 700 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,720 and Martin Bashir bullshit was going to come out with it. 701 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,000 And anything that was reasonable and not provocative 702 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,320 was going to be left on the editing room floor. 703 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,160 Now Michael Jackson is fighting back, 704 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,760 releasing some of the interview with the British journalist. 705 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,000 As it turns out, Michael's personal videographer 706 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,240 was videotaping Martin Bashir. 707 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,120 And we started going to media outlets with that footage. 708 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,560 Here's some of what you didn't see. 709 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,920 Your relationship with your children is spectacular... 710 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,640 I love them. 711 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,880 ..and, in fact, it almost makes me weep when I see you with them, 712 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,960 because your interaction with them is just so natural, 713 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,200 - so loving, so caring. - Thank you. 714 00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:30,200 Well, that's not quite how it came out on television, is it? 715 00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:31,440 It was quite a production. 716 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,560 You gotta give the devil his due. 717 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,240 Martin Bashir did an incredible job. 718 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,560 We are at DEFCON 12,000, 719 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,640 and we don't know what the possible kickback, 720 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,520 blowback from this event is going to be. 721 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,840 - Are we on camera? - Yeah. - Oh! 722 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,840 We don't know this family very well, 723 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,720 we don't know what their motivations are. 724 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,800 I thought, we want to keep them as far away from the tabloids 725 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,520 and people with cheques as possible. 726 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,960 What are some of the things that people say about Michael 727 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,880 that are true or aren't true? 728 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,320 Don't believe what they say. 729 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,120 Subtitles by Red Bee Media 58838

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